00:05:12 http://zem.fi/esostats/people_summary.html PLOOOOTS (also beta) 00:10:36 i'm pretty sure my activity level spikes iff interest in bfjoust spikes 00:10:49 but thanks fizzie you're the best 00:14:06 quintopia: mine probably falls, as I spend more time thinking BF Joust and less talking on IRC 00:15:01 ais523: your baseline activity level is higher than mine i think 00:15:21 yes 00:15:42 yeah definitely 00:16:06 so 00:16:23 bfjoust spikes are the one time i am more activious than you 00:16:41 (activious is now a word) 00:21:05 I like the chart for optbot. 00:21:30 oh i just realized "ploooots" was supposed to be the plural of "plot" 00:21:37 and not a bunch of ploots (what's a ploot) 00:22:32 fizzie: I'm still not merged with zuff!! 00:22:57 I like how it doesn't say what the colours are 00:23:38 fax, j-invariant and soupdragon are all separate too 00:23:46 It's still not recalculated. And the colours are obviously obvious. 00:24:02 i don't know what the colours mean !!! 00:24:20 Blue is the overall activity, and red is the selected nick. 00:24:26 thanxe 00:24:55 why does it show me as not being active in 2007 at all 00:24:58 wow elliott has ungodly huge activity 00:25:24 so what happened on those two massive 6000+ spikes 00:25:32 elliott: did you use the nick "elliott" ever then? 00:25:37 monqy: iirc i have more than twice the lines said in #esoteric than the second person...... 00:25:41 it's likely a failure in nick merging 00:25:44 ais523: no but it's meant to be merged and stuff 00:25:56 Phantom_Hoover: Which one of those three would be the "canonical" name? 00:25:57 is that when you were using "alise"? 00:26:11 2007 nick was ehird 00:26:12 or was it ehird` 00:26:18 no, it wasn't 00:26:21 it was ehird and then maybe a ` 00:26:23 "alise" was 2010 00:26:23 yes it was 00:26:26 oh 00:26:30 sorry, context fail 00:26:30 ais523: 'elliott': ['elliott', 'ehird', 'alise', 'tusho', 'aliseiphone', 'ehirdiphone', 'zuff'], 00:26:31 not disagreement 00:26:35 elliott: aha 00:26:40 *fizzie: aha 00:26:43 fizzie: well it's still in that menu at least 00:26:47 anyway you need ehird` in there SORRY 00:26:47 fizzie: 'ehird`' is the nick you're missing 00:26:54 elliott: Yes, it's old datta. 00:26:57 also um 00:26:59 estoppel 00:27:01 Phantom_Hoover: Which one of those three would be the "canonical" name? 00:27:02 and a handful of others 00:27:05 go with fax, it was first 00:27:07 you didn't use estoppel very much 00:27:11 fizzie: what list do you have for me? 00:27:15 imo leave fax separated so you don't have to deal with the mess of who is fax or not 00:27:24 `seen2 estoppel 00:27:38 ais523: It was supposed to remove all trailing non-alphanumerics, but maybe it didn't. 00:27:53 but ais523 and ais523_ are different computers! 00:28:07 and as a result, may talk about different topics 00:28:09 how about alphanumerics in the middle 00:28:18 ais523_ is substantially more likely than me to bitch about Java, for instance 00:28:19 i mean 00:28:20 non-alphanums 00:28:22 You're also missing "shachaf". 00:28:28 cf phantom____________________________________hoover 00:28:29 "elliott's gr8st pseudonym" 00:28:48 ais523: For you I just have "ais523" and "ais523\unfoog". I made these by getting a top-100 list of overall activity. 00:28:48 monqy: uve been shachaffed!! 00:28:53 monqy: i thought it was a "joek" 00:29:06 monqy: I have _, __ and ___ manually listed for that. 00:29:06 fizzie: "scarf", "callforjudgement" 00:29:22 fizzie: but think about how phantom____hoover feels 00:29:29 ais523: I see "scarf" ended up on the list, too. 00:29:32 also "this", though I don't have it registered 00:29:39 and only use it for the purpose of trolling myself 00:30:41 ais523 is a silly thing to do. 00:31:10 * ais523 sort of thing is more legible when it starts "this" not "ais523" 00:34:01 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:54:09 kmc: Are you the "turn in crypto challenges in asm" person? 01:10:17 yes 01:41:53 -!- ais523 has quit. 02:29:32 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 02:32:05 -!- Nisstyre_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:35:35 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 02:36:47 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 02:45:15 Wait, I just realized something. 02:45:20 Mirrors are Turing-complete, aren't they? 02:45:40 Like, you can store an arbitrary amount of accessible information in the position of a beam of light. 02:47:43 In particular, if you consider a beam of light to have x and y coordinates (and it's traveling in the z direction), you can use mirrors to perform scaling and translation on x and y, as well as conditionals. 02:48:08 Yes I can understand now how you mean. 02:48:14 is this a billiard ball computer? 02:48:40 Nope. There's just a single "ball"; it doesn't interact with other moving objects. 02:48:47 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 02:49:18 -!- copumpkin has joined. 02:49:36 -!- Nisstyre_ has joined. 02:49:45 The ball just moves in a constant direction until it hits a mirror, at which point it bounces off and continues moving in the appropriate new direction. 02:50:05 If your space is three-dimensional, this configuration is Turing-complete. 02:50:25 -!- evincar has quit (Quit: leaving). 02:51:25 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:51:28 Of course, this wouldn't work in the real world, for many reasons, one of which is that real light diffracts. 02:52:05 What if you use an electron instead? I guess electrons also diffract. 02:52:46 all objects diffract, in principle 02:52:54 i feel like i should say something about heisenberg but then i'd be pretending to know quantum physics, which i do not 02:53:08 Bike: whoa hw man thats so QUNAutm 02:53:12 s/$/ / 02:53:26 Yeah, I think Heisenberg's principle applies here. A photon does not have one distinct position. 02:53:36 Quantum? I don't even know 'em! 02:54:44 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:56:14 -!- Bike_ has joined. 02:57:10 elliott, why is *: defined when *~ is the same thing? 02:57:28 (at least monadic *: ) 02:58:08 does *~ have the inverse that *: does 02:58:20 the real answer is that i don't know tho 02:58:26 try #jsoftware 02:59:11 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 03:02:28 *~ is the 'reflexive' of * (~ being the 'reflex' adverb); i can't recall how that interacts with obverses 03:03:46 ahh, the obverse of *~ is specially specified to be %: 03:03:57 i.e. sqrt i.e. same as the obverse of *: 03:04:19 tswett: you've reminded me of the optical computer for solving traveling salesman problem 03:04:45 you have a bunch of beamsplitters and you connect them with optical fibers whose lengths correspond to the distances between cities 03:04:53 then you use interferometry (somehow) to find the shortest path 03:07:16 I like that (somehow) 03:07:30 hm, what's a good academic who does weird-ass computation stuff 03:07:43 i checked for adamatzky doing things like this but he's too busy getting stoned on BZ 03:08:36 getting stoned on BZ is a bad idea 03:08:54 no the other BZ 03:09:04 the one it's a good idea to get stoned on 03:09:05 so not the chemical weapon 03:09:25 no, although i've heard apparently people have tried to use that recreationally... 03:09:30 i mean the clock reaction 03:09:43 i don't know what that is 03:10:03 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belousov-Zhabotinsky_reaction 03:10:15 observe: pretty colors! 03:10:16 oh those are neat 03:10:31 http://arxiv.org/abs/1212.1344 so, adamatzky does things like this with 'em 03:10:42 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d9/The_Belousov-Zhabotinsky_Reaction.gif 03:10:56 cool 03:11:41 also a clock reaction is just a reaction that does something periodic, so you could use it as a clock if you wanted your clock to be made of acids. 03:12:00 anyway so not tswett lightmachines 03:12:13 oh i heard about this slime mould computer too 03:12:59 -!- DH____ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:13:05 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 03:13:12 oh, there's a journal or something called "unconventional computing", that's more like it! 03:14:09 "The denizens of Carlisle, meanwhile, may wonder what objection slime moulds have towards their fine city." 03:14:12 'Abstract Geometrical Computation 6: A Reversible, Conservative and Rational Based Model for Black Hole Computation' i think i'm going to be distracted 03:16:12 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 03:16:15 -!- Arc_Koen has quit (Quit: Arc_Koen). 03:18:39 if you drop a supermassive computer into a rotating black hole while traveling at the speed of light then you meet god and can just ask him to solve your dumb problem 03:22:04 `addquote if you drop a supermassive computer into a rotating black hole while traveling at the speed of light then you meet god and can just ask him to solve your dumb problem 03:23:56 i have hackego withdrawal 03:24:26 kmc: "O father who art in heaven, I really need to win this CTF" 03:27:36 'Can a Computer be “Pushed” to Perform Faster-Than-Light?' i love how far out these questions are 03:27:55 "Let us assume that Alice, Bob, and Charlie, the three classical people of cryptography are not limited anymore to perform a finite number of computations on real computers, but are limited to α computations and to α bits of memory, where α is a fixed infinite cardinal." 03:27:59 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 03:28:57 -!- WeThePeople has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:29:04 lucky them 03:29:26 good assumption i think 03:29:53 Oh, hey, I think this one is actually vaguely sort of near what tswett was saying. 03:29:56 «We propose to “boost” the speed of communication and computation by immersing the computing environment into a medium whose index of refraction is smaller than one, thereby trespassing the speed-of-light barrier.» 03:32:07 you can have fairly mundane materials whose index of refraction is less than one 03:32:21 because IoR is defined according to the phase velocity 03:32:31 but this doesn't imply superluminal transfer of information 03:32:37 want the paper? 03:32:41 no 03:32:44 thanks 03:32:57 heh 03:34:48 heegan 03:34:52 how are the monoids today 03:35:32 summertime and the monoids are easy 03:36:09 i downgraded my old laptop from a SSD to a spinny disk 03:36:21 Why? 03:36:21 have to remember not to throw that one at sofas anymore 03:36:28 so that i can give the SSD to a friend 03:36:28 To put the SSD elsewhere? 03:36:30 yes 03:41:11 -!- Nisstyre_ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 03:42:30 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 03:46:58 -!- glogbackup has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:51:00 -!- glogbackup has joined. 03:55:35 -!- glogbackup has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 04:03:21 -!- glogbackup has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:14:18 kmc: Did you read _Cat's Cradle_? 04:14:50 vonnegut? 04:15:21 Vonnegut time? 04:15:22 -!- glogbackup has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 04:17:26 -!- WeThePeople has joined. 04:20:36 no 04:21:06 You should read it! 04:21:14 ok 04:24:45 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 04:26:48 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 04:40:34 City on fire! / Rats in the grass / And the lunatics yelling in the streets! / It's the end of the world! Yes! 04:41:01 -!- Nisstyre_ has joined. 04:41:19 aren't there always rats 04:41:53 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Disconnected by services). 04:42:01 -!- Nisstyre_ has changed nick to Nisstyre. 04:44:51 Hmm. J seems like it might be a reasonable language to implement Befunge-98 in 04:46:33 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 04:46:36 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 05:02:02 -!- WeThePeople has quit (Quit: Leaving). 05:14:31 -!- sirdancealot7 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 05:15:03 -!- zzo38 has joined. 05:17:19 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Quit: Leaving). 05:27:29 -!- sirdancealot7 has joined. 05:37:44 kmc: By the way, you know ho CoYoneda IORef gives you a "read-only IORef" that can't do any other effects? 05:37:50 As opposed to "IO a" 05:38:15 That can either be a good thing or a bad thing. 05:38:28 Is APL more readable than J? 05:38:42 And how do they both compare to Clojure? 05:39:12 "Is APL more readable than J" should be the PLT version of "How many angels can dance on the head of a pin". 05:40:12 are monoids more lovable than categories 05:40:13 imo yes 05:40:46 how long until you get tired of this beaky thing 05:41:13 monqy: how long until you get tired of the "monqy style" 05:41:32 what's that 05:41:52 a thing 05:41:53 imo monoids 05:41:54 imonoids 05:45:01 monoids mo problems 05:45:51 monoids mo annoyed 05:52:45 -!- quintopia has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:59:37 -!- quintopia has joined. 06:21:59 the noid ruins pizzas 06:24:10 I crashed someone's Haskell bot with a GHC type system bug. 06:24:17 By crashed I mean unsafePerformIO-then-segfault 06:24:18 congratulations 06:24:29 monqy: thx 06:24:32 you should own their computer 06:24:46 Instead of that I told them about -dcore-lint. 06:25:55 chmod +s /usr/bin/ghc 06:25:56 'On January 30, 1989, Kenneth Lamar Noid, a mentally ill customer who thought the ads were a personal attack on him, held two employees of an Atlanta, Georgia, Domino's restaurant hostage for over five hours.' 06:26:07 :( 06:26:17 -dcore-lint is like a condom for your haskell bot 06:28:08 it's pretty easy to go from unsafePerformIO to an arbitrary memory read/write yeah? 06:28:12 er 06:28:14 unsafeCoerce 06:31:14 I just crashed it again! 06:31:20 This time by defining a custom Typeable instance. 06:31:25 He should probably turn on SafeHaskell 06:31:27 Is this with -dcore-lint? 06:31:32 Yes. 06:31:35 neat. 06:31:40 But this is a know thing. 06:31:46 read :: Word64 -> Word64; word addr = fromJust (unsafeCoerce (addr - 8) :: Maybe Int) 06:31:46 A know thing? 06:31:49 or something? 06:32:14 Well, you can run arbitrary IO easily. 06:32:21 how's that? 06:32:21 But I guess all the Foreign functions might not be in scope. 06:32:29 right 06:32:47 IO a = State# RealWord -> (# State# RealWorld, a #) 06:32:50 you run IO by unsafeCoercing to something operationally isomorphic to... yeah 06:32:59 So you can cast to () -> () or something. 06:33:06 that's tricky though because State# t has a weird STG-type 06:33:10 Right. 06:33:15 but it probably works out 06:33:20 I managed to run IO both times so far, but I segfaulted it too. 06:33:29 Or actually illegal-instructioned it. 06:33:33 woo 06:33:37 I guess it tried to evaluate the () and jumped to some invalid code. 06:33:54 so how would you do a memory write, assuming Foreign stuff isn't in scope? 06:34:01 Hmm. 06:34:20 That seems tricky, actually. 06:34:37 Well, you can probably jump to arbitrary code? 06:34:59 That doesn't necessarily help you that much. 06:35:46 does GHC's allocator set page permissions? you might be able to just create a ByteString and then jump into it 06:36:24 I think pages should be nonexecutable by default? 06:36:31 mauke has a "hello world" that works that way. 06:36:37 But it's for 32-bit x86 06:37:20 ok 06:37:44 GHC only sets page permissions explicitly for foreign import wrapper, as far as I know. 06:38:41 hm I didn't have to do anything with page permissions for http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2010/09/executing-bytestring.html 06:39:01 Huh. 06:39:07 Well, it just allocates bytestrings with malloc. 06:39:47 Huh, it works. 06:40:54 Maybe it has to do with the FFI? 06:41:14 * shachaf straces 06:41:35 did you get a PoC executing bytestring using only unsafeCoerce? 06:41:46 Hmm. Apparently any single-line pointful verb definition can be converted into pointfree 06:41:47 in J 06:42:00 Are there expressions that @pl cannot convert in Haskell> 06:42:06 can we have a poll to decide what the next Sgeolang is? 06:42:19 No. 06:42:24 It might not be as easy as I said. 06:42:25 Does J really count as a current Sgeolang? 06:43:10 I vote Sgeolang. 06:43:25 shachaf: I guess you would use a second ByteString to build a fake heap object, whose first word points to the code you want to execute 06:44:04 then you get the address of that bytestring into a constructor field and force it 06:44:19 kmc: Oh. 06:44:24 I bet the ByteString is allocated statically? 06:44:29 Wait, maybe not. 06:47:42 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 06:49:21 7ffff6e00000-7ffff6f00000 rwxp 00000000 00:00 0 06:49:26 I guess it does allocate w+x memory 06:49:52 good times 06:52:01 rwxp 06:52:11 the p is for profit 06:52:13 "Um cool" 06:53:19 Now they turned on SafeHaskell but also left GeneralizedNewtypeDeriving on. 06:53:24 So I can still write unsafeCoerce. :-( 06:53:25 :( 06:53:27 SafeHaskell is hard. 06:53:48 You should just root their system and fix it properly. 06:57:34 whoisthey 06:57:49 I don't see it allocating any w+x memory in strace 06:57:50 Beaky. 06:58:13 for real? haha 06:58:22 ? 06:58:25 No, this isn't beaky 06:58:27 oh 06:58:33 Bike is making things up. 06:58:34 It's beaky in my shachaf fanfiction. 06:58:46 Please don't tell me about shachaf fanfiction. 06:58:56 You can write whatever you want, just don't tell me about it. 06:58:58 It's titled "Coercion Ain't Easy" 06:59:13 i love monoids 06:59:19 You like BDSM, right? 07:04:54 I prefer SDSM. 07:05:39 ...is that even legal nowadays? 07:06:04 I like my SDSM blessed greased 07:06:16 I'm sure Jafet can empathize. 07:06:30 tch, I bet you use scrolls of genocide too. 07:09:30 shachaf's gaze penetrated through the slits of the balustrade, as the excited crowd of algebra neophytes struggled to grab the professor by any wrinkled limb or lineament they could find. Here, he knew, was a master of the group action. 07:12:49 -!- FreeFull has quit. 07:13:42 … 07:13:53 I think that went well. 07:19:28 kmc: 7fff5a4ea000-7fff5a50b000 rwxp 00000000 00:00 0 [stack] 07:19:41 I don't quite see what's going on. :-( 07:20:21 Maybe it's the ELF file somehow? 07:21:15 [stack] 07:21:19 Right. 07:21:27 I doubt it's remapping the stack. 07:21:48 yeah the file may set initial permissions for the stack 07:22:06 It's not just the stack, though. 07:22:27 7eff280e9000-7eff28269000 r-xp 00000000 08:03 1448930 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc-2.13.so 07:22:35 Er. 07:22:39 That's not w, sorry. 07:22:49 7eff28f90000-7eff28f91000 rwxp 00020000 08:03 1452451 /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/ld-2.13.so 07:22:56 7eff28d68000-7eff28d70000 rwxp 00067000 08:03 658337 /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgmp.so.10.0.5 07:24:44 How do I figure this out from the ELF file? 07:24:48 GNU_STACK 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 07:24:48 0x0000000000000000 0x0000000000000000 RWE 8 07:26:05 it should be documented somewhere, maybe the linker option to set the stack non/executable says how it does it 07:26:52 I'm looking at the flags GHC linked with. 07:28:22 Hmm. 07:28:35 Apparently GHC has some code to mark the stack non-executable. 08:01:22 -!- Nisstyre_ has joined. 08:02:07 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Disconnected by services). 08:02:16 -!- Nisstyre_ has changed nick to Nisstyre. 08:02:44 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:06:53 ) 0 = 1 o. o. 2 * i. 5 08:06:53 Sgeo: 1 0 0 0 0 08:06:54 :/ 08:10:35 * for signum actually obeys tolerance rules, hmm 08:10:45 ) * 1 o. o. 2 * i. 5 08:10:46 Sgeo: 0 0 0 0 0 08:15:52 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 08:24:37 -!- Taneb has joined. 08:29:51 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 08:33:55 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 09:01:34 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 09:01:38 -!- carado has joined. 09:24:32 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 09:31:45 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 09:35:29 -!- ais523 has joined. 09:37:25 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 09:38:50 -!- copumpkin has joined. 09:51:42 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 09:51:54 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: bye). 09:56:04 `list 09:56:31 'list 09:58:36 HackEgo? 09:58:46 `cat bin/list 09:58:49 `quote 09:58:51 `asjdflasjdfk 10:04:29 *sigh* 10:04:54 GREGOR! 10:05:02 -!- glogbackup has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 10:05:09 atriq Taneb I forget Fiora someone someonelese 10:12:23 -!- glogbackup has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:14:09 You should put that thing in fungot, that's clearly the most stable bot available. 10:14:09 fizzie: i mean... what if it gets a 87% grade when i found a solution to the problem 10:15:44 ^def list ul (Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo alot)S 10:15:44 Defined. 10:15:52 ^list 10:15:52 Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo alot 10:16:02 ty 10:16:09 ^save 10:16:10 OK. 10:21:49 -!- glogbackup has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:43:55 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 10:55:47 -!- azaq23 has joined. 10:55:56 -!- azaq23 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 10:56:27 -!- azaq23 has joined. 11:11:44 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 11:15:20 -!- glogbackup has joined. 11:20:05 -!- glogbackup has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 11:23:55 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 11:24:25 -!- copumpkin has joined. 11:49:37 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 11:53:35 -!- Frooxius has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 12:08:08 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 12:09:11 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:12:37 -!- oerjan has joined. 12:15:46 -!- Frooxius has joined. 12:17:06 `echo hi 12:17:42 ^echo ^echo 12:17:42 ^echo ^echo 12:17:47 hello oerjan 12:17:48 welcome 12:18:16 good afternoon shachaf 12:18:38 Not hardly! 12:18:40 @localtime 12:18:43 Local time for shachaf is Mon Jan 28 04:18:40 2013 12:21:03 ha ha you people keep faking that timezone thing 12:22:14 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 12:24:30 "^echo ^echo" is the best quine in the fungot-^echo-language. 12:24:30 fizzie: you can tell 12:24:48 fungot: hi 12:24:48 shachaf: then one could write ( loop-safety on) or ( x ( get-value) block) will expand to the same event at the same time 12:25:51 (DECLAIM '(OPTIMIZE (LOOP-SAFETY ON))) 12:25:55 sadly it's also the _only_ quine, i think. 12:26:11 @localtime fungot 12:26:11 fizzie: there are a bazillion definitions per item with no discernable purpose and reside in a different order 12:26:30 x ++ x == "^echo " ++ x doesn't have a lot of solutions 12:26:32 Local time for fungot is ITS NOT A FAKE 12:26:59 um 12:27:08 * x ++ " " ++ x == "^echo " ++ x doesn't have a lot of solutions 12:27:44 oerjan: Do empty programs count? 12:27:52 ^echo 12:27:53 12:27:55 no. 12:27:59 That's not an empty program. 12:28:01 It's ^echo 12:28:17 shachaf: he said "in the fungot-^echo-language" 12:28:18 oerjan: ais523 suggested it x-p you win!!! eheheheeheh trying to find a way to see where one can look at the number of 12:28:46 Do all programs in that language start with ^echo? 12:28:51 In that case I guess it's the only quine. 12:29:08 They all do start with "^echo ". 12:30:08 ^echo 12:30:08 12:30:14 That's not a ^echo-program? 12:32:21 ^show echo 12:32:21 >,[.>,]<[<]+32[.>] 12:32:50 Hrm, for some reason I confused ^echo with one of the commands where the space is mandatory. 12:33:39 i think the space is handled by fungot's pre-bf parsing 12:33:39 oerjan: remembered. i'll tell riastradh when he/ she 12:34:03 the one on input, that is 12:34:27 Yes, it's only the fixed commands that sometimes check also that there is a space. 12:34:32 i love fungot 12:34:32 shachaf: like calories. a 12:34:36 so ^command is equivalent to ^command 12:34:36 fungot is so easy 12:34:36 shachaf: actually i'll probably change and to and, although it would eventually segfault. 12:35:00 only fungot can make a segfault by changing and to and 12:35:00 oerjan: whichever is closer to most module systems, is it 12:36:59 Everyone loves fungot like calories. 12:36:59 fizzie: i have to, as the compiler is correct? maybe the implementations of " reverse" 12:37:22 i love fungot like calories. a 12:37:22 shachaf: thanks. your new nick? hehe ( sometimes i make too long sentenced to avoid being eaten by a grue. 12:37:31 fungot++ 12:37:31 shachaf: ( i think)." 13:00:13 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 13:07:25 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 13:22:50 -!- Arc_Koen has joined. 13:33:39 Did elliott take my quote out of the topic? 13:33:44 "it was a good run" 13:34:33 i dunno 13:35:22 unless you mean the lambda cube, in which case yes 13:35:35 Six simultaneous rotations of the lambda tesseract 13:35:46 I should go to sleep. 13:40:40 Food for thought: NaNoWriMo requires 50000 words in order for something to qualify as a novel; W|A says average English word length is 5.1 characters; allowing for some whitespace and punctuation, 6.5*50000 = 325000 characters. Compare this with http://zem.fi/esostats/fig/activity_chars_20year.png -- since mid-2008, the channel seems to average around 1-2.5 novels a week. 13:41:40 the plot is horrendous, though 13:42:17 And the characters are, frankly, stupid and unbelievable. 13:42:29 except for fungot and zzo38, they'll obviously go on to start spinoff series 13:42:29 oerjan: wiliki sure looks a lot like the inverse of f(n) a(n,n)? would it run the other schemes will do something with 13:43:35 Also, total characters over all time: 127,714,454 i.e. 393 novels, which again reminds me that I'd like to see the #esoteric bookshelf as a physical thing. 13:44:11 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:44:42 -!- copumpkin has joined. 13:45:31 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 13:56:07 -!- Jafet has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 13:56:34 -!- Jafet has joined. 14:19:04 fizzie: is #esoteric bookshelf just printed logs of #esoteric 14:20:17