< 1358899240 518048 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1358899817 662679 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1358900596 706080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1358900906 297187 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358901182 483799 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1358901860 65482 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1358902175 845260 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1358902176 848309 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo alot < 1358902558 412273 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1358902639 440549 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358902759 953941 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :protip: Hold it down < 1358904935 437852 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: thank you for the protip < 1358904937 374388 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :much appreciated < 1358904946 44793 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1358904957 368886 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358905137 12463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1358905164 290099 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1358905612 809870 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1358906101 86252 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358906705 770598 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1358906736 698596 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1358907226 669356 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1358907635 593712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1358908224 967607 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358908733 995716 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1358908772 251173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's another qdb but it's all centered around elliottcable's channel < 1358908772 508652 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://elliottcablechan.tumblr.com/ < 1358908793 850177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358908844 757422 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358908858 127148 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh also FireFly < 1358908871 710591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote FireFly < 1358908872 971628 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :15) Meh ._. \ 59) * oerjan swats FireFly since he's easier to hit -----### Meh * FireFly dies \ 861) FireFly: oh, did you see ion's police reindeer? that was ... at least as on-topic as this discussion < 1358908878 183137 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote shachaf < 1358908879 394031 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :543) elliott: GHC bug? Come on, it's the parentheses. The more parentheses you add, the closer it is to LISP, and therefore the more dynamically-typed. \ 584) Real Tar is GNU tar. You just ignore whichever features don't make you feel superior enough. \ 618) VMS Mosaic? I hope that's no < 1358908897 335275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are pretty awful quotes. < 1358908903 290375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some good quotes somewhere! < 1358908928 95686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quachaf < 1358908929 541652 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :543) elliott: GHC bug? Come on, it's the parentheses. The more parentheses you add, the closer it is to LISP, and therefore the more dynamically-typed. \ 584) Real Tar is GNU tar. You just ignore whichever features don't make you feel superior enough. \ 618) VMS Mosaic? I hope that's no < 1358908940 735355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i went to add this command and then noticed it was already there! < 1358908961 973472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should randomize rather than grepping. < 1358908967 798026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This way you always get the same quotes. < 1358908973 557181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`queegan < 1358908974 521351 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: queegan: not found < 1358908980 857611 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hatesgeo < 1358909005 78359 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it hates me. < 1358909008 330215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cp bin/qu{achaf,eegan}; sed -i s/shachaf/kmc/ bin/queegan < 1358909021 558371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`queegan < 1358909033 582949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess HackEgo is dead. < 1358909043 183578 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1358909044 188537 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: queegan: not found < 1358909046 460094 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1358909061 454761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`queegan < 1358909062 660933 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :602) COCKS [...] truly cocks \ 633) You should get kmc in this channel. kmc has good quotes. `quote kmc 686) COCKS [...] truly cocks Well, in theory. \ 704) damn i should make a quasiquoter for inline FORTRAN \ 707) has there been any work towards designing programming l < 1358909088 835278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 707 < 1358909090 311506 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :707) has there been any work towards designing programming languages specifically for stoned people < 1358909100 301736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agda? < 1358909956 4797 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1358910355 325180 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A tier one investment bank urgently requires a senior c#.net agile developer to join an agile team focused on the delivarance of a key global intiative within the securities / multi assett and client services space. " < 1358910371 290072 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Employers expect resumes to be spell-checked but can put out drivel like that? < 1358910399 488802 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :such is the relation of the oppressor to the oppressed. < 1358910399 707524 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, but C# is not a tier one esolang < 1358910430 305685 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Therefore the following skills are a must have to even be conssidered; c#, .net, sql server, agile, tdd, pair programming, leadership, oo and multithreading..." < 1358910447 107182 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we topic "a must have to even be conssidered" < 1358910462 645288 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how many ranks do you have to have in leadership? 12? < 1358910467 118607 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling whoever wrote that doesn't know what any of those terms mean, even "leadership" < 1358910506 176322 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey I can post a link that works without needing to be logged in < 1358910506 414674 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.linkedin.com/jobs?viewJob=&jobId=4576873&goback=%2Enmp_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1_*1&trk=rj_nus < 1358910556 987220 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great URL < 1358910561 818290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A++++ would click again < 1358910586 495584 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a fantastic oppertunity to be a part of a key intiative for a greenfield global project for one of the worlds leading investment banks within a dynamic and cutting edge environment!" do you ever wonder how much of this is just by rote < 1358910594 532363 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :markov chain maybe < 1358910603 988083 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like they don't really know how to construct a sentence except by tying together set phrases? Moreso than you or me do, I mean. < 1358910605 195118 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They spelled initiative the same way twice < 1358910753 953985 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's pretty common. < 1358910766 577524 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if they have courses on the precise nature of common errors. i'd take 'em < 1358910798 22122 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" We operate across multiple sectors with specialist expert consultants within each sector who have an in depth understanding of their market place." sgeo, any chance of an interesting job for you, or what? < 1358910848 939995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :leverage those paradigms < 1358910855 327269 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't the company that contacted me, btw < 1358910884 595166 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but the other one sounded about the same. something something recruitment something paradigms something < 1358910902 174310 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that other one was recruiting me for a job at a bank < 1358910915 758540 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I'd actually work for the recruiter < 1358910931 16607 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358910941 693571 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seemed like you would, but eh. < 1358910974 525544 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jefferies.com/ <-- company that the job opening is for < 1358911664 816140 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1358911676 941569 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :gn people < 1358913476 415382 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1358914353 651694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1358915175 405890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think that all the fundamental kinds of food have already been invented < 1358915190 237957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :will there ever be another food invention as game changing as the sandwich or the pizza < 1358915194 208106 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not stoned i swear < 1358915220 128754 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all futurology is bunk. even when it's pizza-oriented futurology. < 1358915292 750224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, and I also don't know how to guess. < 1358915304 121499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is the honest futurologist < 1358915314 476482 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can appreciate that. good on ya, zzo. < 1358915349 815713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38++ < 1358915408 201972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope people will invent proper tasteless nutritious goo one of these days. < 1358915414 648005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is there already such a thing? < 1358915428 955841 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we've quite hit bachelor chow yet. < 1358915471 664721 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now with flavor! < 1358915659 948195 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine the next game-changing food, if any, will come somewhere you least expect. < 1358915688 535661 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like animals genetically engineered to be delicious and 100% edible sans preperation. < 1358915721 829698 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1358915724 895369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't expect it, then how can you expect it? < 1358915727 312562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or vat-grown meat that isn't disgusting < 1358915744 744923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean there have been many recent advances in processing and packaging and such < 1358915752 850029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm thinking of something somewhat different < 1358915760 174318 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think animals that cooked themselves alive would be very practical. < 1358915761 659240 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fundamentally new genre of food < 1358915762 452041 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things I actually expect: vat-grown meat, and high-level irradiation. < 1358915782 166208 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is utterly feasible to have shelf-stable meat. < 1358915791 208076 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, the irradiation necessary is illegal unless you're NASA. < 1358915807 614491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe those molecular gastronomists will discover something with mass appeal eventually < 1358915840 441632 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wants shelf-stable sushi.
< 1358915899 33814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think sushi made out of horses would be very popular. < 1358915920 83934 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horse sashimi is a thing. < 1358915931 274658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eat people who are in the "food jail". < 1358915934 216295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I'm wrong. < 1358915947 870839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What is the "food jail"? < 1358915961 406666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know; that is why it is quotation marks. < 1358915997 136790 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f7/Horse-meat.jpg Japan, ladies and gentlemen. < 1358916010 549303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Eat people who are in the "food jail". < 1358916014 424731 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :927) Eat people who are in the "food jail". < 1358916024 420837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1358916028 41558 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks pretty good. < 1358916028 282967 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.11716 < 1358916100 525634 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pacific northwest tree octopus continues to be the best animal < 1358916328 845592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You say the best things. < 1358916365 508359 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358916406 96668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not the only one who says things; a lot of people do. But yes, I do too. It is you can write quotation of me and of other people too, they do that all the time. < 1358916427 110524 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes itidus20 < 1358916431 209190 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1358916431 448175 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.25573 < 1358916434 420094 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1358916580 678258 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Game theory is not a perfect tool for analyzing video games. Nash failed to create a "video game theory" <-- the guy's got a point < 1358916585 307092 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he get banned, or just evaporate? < 1358916622 78967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think he got banned. < 1358916630 11081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does getting banned from #esoteric work? < 1358916654 706205 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gather you have to be elliott? I'm not sure. < 1358916727 154246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Were you even around while itidus21 was around? < 1358916741 828393 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's why I'm asking. < 1358916771 202208 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm not familiar with all of the channel's mythology, it will be me on the pyre come next equinox. And I'd rather avoid that. < 1358917117 703085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we could make up "Esoteric IRC Quotation Guessing Quiz" on Internet Quiz Engine. < 1358917150 883660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It doesn't have to be entirely the HackEgo quotations file) < 1358917258 826664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Anyways, there is a limit of 210 question slots (a time limit takes up four slots).) < 1358918219 3652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why not remove the limit? < 1358918273 470864 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: To avoid buffer overflow, I don't remove the limit, however, I might increase it in another time, but I also might not. < 1358918373 781046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you increase it dynamically? < 1358918387 343157 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The limit is not actually part of Internet Quiz Engine; it is actually a limit in the gopher server, but I can increase that easily. However, I don't want to increase it too much. Also, it takes up space of environment variable too. < 1358918437 994286 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358918572 36768 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1358918865 753114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long do you want it? < 1358918929 232690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you increase it dynamically? < 1358918937 647248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I don't use Gopher, so I can't use it. < 1358918940 826082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1358918948 915184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to increase it dynamically! < 1358918974 850375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not? < 1358918991 263346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want any buffer overflow and computer overflow. < 1358919028 505221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer overflow? That sounds dangerous. < 1358919030 488894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it? < 1358919276 939743 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hands zzo38 the philosopher's stone
< 1358919286 499452 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns wood to RAM < 1358919294 594451 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no overflow issue ever again! < 1358919308 738161 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well...until you run out of trees < 1358919323 777103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I want 1048576 items. < 1358919430 93585 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358919438 144208 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1358920393 95877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :python's 'for..else' is nice, but i wonder if it's one of those features which is obscure enough that code using it is automatically obfuscated < 1358920404 957448 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it work? < 1358920532 342356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for n in range(2, 100): < 1358920532 561086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : for d in range(2, n): < 1358920532 561312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : if not n % d: break < 1358920532 561423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : else: < 1358920532 824494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : print n, 'is a prime number' < 1358920562 718463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stuff in the 'else' block only runs if the 'for' block ran to exhaustion, but not if it executed 'break' < 1358920582 467353 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it "else", then... < 1358920610 129504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"else" means "if you didn't break"? < 1358920666 982289 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be "if the block was never evaluated". :( < 1358920670 125379 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me that i should try to figure out how the hell good primality tests work < 1358920688 698028 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrote a language once where "if", "while", "for", etc. returned booleans for just that reason. < 1358920692 746095 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you need to actually know math :( < 1358920762 715958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: oh, that's neat < 1358920788 110854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And else was just a thing that used the boolean result of the previous expression? < 1358921150 905078 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/kxz/omnipresence/src/ebcd9e54aed61025ff7778909b4a67485b26743d/omnipresence/__init__.py?at=default#cl-156 Seems pretty reasonable to me, kmc, though that might only be because i just had it explained. < 1358921919 275495 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yeah, same with elsif. < 1358921939 540401 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole thing was done as an operator precedence parser though... < 1358921950 202755 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...in C++ before I really understood parsers. < 1358921955 990572 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not good. < 1358922098 630668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the meaning of 'for .. else' is not that easy to figure out if you haven't seen it < 1358922123 666533 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that's why there's a comment < 1358922135 594735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems intuitively like it should be what evincar said. < 1358922149 630223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no real analogy to if-else here, is there? < 1358922178 525258 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, but the real question is what a better keyword would be. < 1358922180 741314 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm having trouble comingc up with one < 1358922189 343513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i 'finally' < 1358922227 254620 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "finally" implies "always" because exceptions. < 1358922245 365052 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"then:" :D < 1358922268 925524 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1358922320 522361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using a keyword for something because it's already a reserved word in the syntax is a time-honored tradition. < 1358922392 234032 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if i was doing that, i think i'd have the break in the for return from a lexical block, and have the "else" code just after the foor in the same block. but that's probably not remotely idiomatic python. < 1358922472 224646 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Python have a thing for blocks? < 1358922488 372462 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1358922509 442580 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you could hack it with a lambda expression and "return", but that puts us squarely in wildly unidiomatic territory. < 1358922593 735291 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-9.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1358922619 40348 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-95.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1358922628 756467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's a tradition in C++ for sure < 1358922630 855106 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know about Python < 1358922645 135396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then C++ went and added a few new keywords that aren't in C and are almost never used < 1358922648 690791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because they could < 1358922674 177113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: new is used pretty often. < 1358922676 117631 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good to be a coder, man. < 1358922682 570519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P shachaf < 1358922706 906897 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, kmc, i don't know if you still care about kernel but i see what you mean about the thesis. < 1358922730 421025 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heuristically, the profundity of a truth is proportional to how difficult it was to discover the first time, divided by how obvious it is once successfully explained. While some truths only have to be uncovered to become obvious, others may have a lucid explanation that is even more difficult to find that the truth itself was. If there exists a lucid explanation, the difficulty of finding it should be counted in the numerator of the heuristic. < 1358922736 752364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow they actually removed the 'export' keyword in C++11?? < 1358922737 22180 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally relevant. < 1358922744 124280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because basically nobody even implemented it < 1358922757 216708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe it's still a reserved word? < 1358922758 256564 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did it do? < 1358922786 493157 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The export keyword is a bit like the Higgs boson of C++. Theoretically it exists, it is described by the standard, and noone has seen it in the wild." or, not do. < 1358922810 265188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :separate compilation for templates < 1358922875 138292 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC precisely one vendor implemented it. < 1358922913 626272 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. Comeau. < 1358923197 72697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha nice disclaimer: http://software.intel.com/sites/default/files/m/0/1/3/opt-notice-en_080411.gif < 1358923208 453360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they added this after the controversy < 1358923221 30651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where somebody discovered that icc basically treats every AMD chip as a 386 in terms of code generation < 1358923230 663604 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1358923696 678280 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems fairly anticompetitive. < 1358923718 885239 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the "seriously, we've broken companies into several bits for this shit before" sense. < 1358923768 438680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have we? < 1358923771 139592 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have we? i'm not sure there's an applicable precedent... < 1358923782 216315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel doesn't have a monopoly either on chips or on compilers < 1358923790 76237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they aren't abusing monopoly power < 1358923824 143427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general there is no obligation to make your products work nicely with competitors' < 1358923846 897448 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :while that's true, there is an obligation not to sabotage interoperability < 1358923851 721982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there? legally? < 1358923857 219670 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most countries, yes < 1358923860 165951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1358923868 393036 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've been on the receiving end of antitrust suits before, actually... < 1358923950 259639 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well icc still does emit working code for amd, right? < 1358923957 945539 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, yes. < 1358923981 422310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :got to sleep, ttyl all < 1358923983 644598 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the thing i'm wondering is if there's a precedent for making a thing that works well with your own thing and not well with the other people's thing being a bad thing. < 1358924010 918459 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, in that case it's strictly inferior to any compiler you can find out there, TCC included. < 1358924032 2808 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outside of antitrust suits, probably not. < 1358924054 676093 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the precedent in antitrust suits? < 1358924073 765759 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that doing this outside of that context is about as intelligent as taking out your profits in cash and spreading them through Central Park. < 1358924140 936592 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Programming languages that can't interop with other languages tend to be unpopular... < 1358924149 680005 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...if unpopular = bad, then there's one. < 1358924156 996402 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: He was asking for legal precedent I think. < 1358924172 433148 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1358924185 823113 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's no legal precedent for that, for similar reasons why there's not legal precedent for the badness of jamming a finger in your eye. < 1358924213 351833 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well hey, the purpose of case law is to riddle out the supposedly obvious, yeah? < 1358924225 25601 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you approach a monopoly you wouldn't even *want to* do this. < 1358924258 108740 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it'd be making an inferior product. < 1358924377 868742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: I should implement a type checker, eh? < 1358924410 832165 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know the name of the character that's an F but backwards? This is going to bother me. < 1358924420 769215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://shapecatcher.com/ ? < 1358924432 460415 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm knee-deep in Phoenician and I believe I have taken a wrong term. < 1358924433 184640 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn < 1358924433 403715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latin epigraphic letter reversed f: ꟻ < 1358924442 416359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canadian syllabics blackfoot wa: ᖷ < 1358924445 105721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nko letter pa: ߔ < 1358924446 140084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Etc. < 1358924456 415406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It's totally a Neverhood tile, too! < 1358924457 413904 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a neat thing. < 1358924460 755215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember the bridge puzzle? < 1358924467 959889 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never played that game, unfortunately. < 1358924490 603489 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's in Greek music, cool. < 1358924512 745538 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should just accept that reading metamathematics papers by a linguistics nerd was a bad idea. < 1358924544 50708 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Everybody should implement a type checker, eh. < 1358924549 593946 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What brings this up? < 1358924563 821226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I haven't. < 1358924654 545598 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh...haven't implemented a typechecker. < 1358924674 52519 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent a full minute puzzling over why you would say you hadn't brought up something you had. < 1358924683 116093 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is a smart
< 1358924733 374011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you brought it up, actually. < 1358924755 357891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's the type checker I hadn't implemented. < 1358924864 73683 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what we're talking about but will roll with it nonetheless. < 1358924879 810501 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of language is it that you haven't implemented a typechecker for? < 1358924931 908913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every kind of language. < 1358924976 262589 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, but did you have one in mind? < 1358925507 208889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a limit for environment variables length? < 1358925537 606302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.33 units maximum. < 1358925675 603959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime zzo38 < 1358925676 86562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for zzo38 is 2013/01/22 23:14:25 -0800 < 1358925790 747884 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-95.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1358925932 144163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have increase the number of questions slots to 999, which should be sufficient; although there are limits for questions, choices, and number of variables to keep track of, even the old limits are much higher than other online quizzes. < 1358925935 732226 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-95.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1358925963 291954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can also download it into your own computer if you prefer it.) < 1358926016 380404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I have 1048576? < 1358926037 325306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want that much, run it on your own computer. < 1358926054 731554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I don't have a computer? < 1358926060 581216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is fully free-software/open-source-software and is written in C. < 1358926070 151434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't have a computer, then don't write the message on the IRC, please. < 1358926091 103532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if my computer doesn't have 1048576 units of RAM? < 1358926091 853867 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a burn, shachaf. < 1358926213 607020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program never allocates that much RAM, but the environment variables have to support whatever you are using. < 1358926244 982805 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to say, I have no idea how environment variables are involved in a Gopher-based internet quiz program, but then I don't know much about Gopher or quizzes. < 1358926263 445289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You should learn Haskell! < 1358926266 956478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so much fun, man. < 1358926278 735796 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it fun? < 1358926279 768556 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we doing that again? < 1358926280 13368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll understand all the crazy things crazy people say in here much better. < 1358926285 137602 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evangelising Haskell? < 1358926290 97574 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer science is an eternal parade of sorrow. < 1358926293 905565 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been away for too long. < 1358926312 606279 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: If it helps, apparently it's not working, because I still don't know Haskell. < 1358926321 459591 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Lens. Or Caleskell, or Agda. Or Clojure. < 1358926321 942073 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will. < 1358926325 417593 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got converted. < 1358926328 403728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My server also has a file size limit of one million bytes, so you also have to run the program on your own computer if you want to write hundreds of long pages of text on the quiz. < 1358926331 155887 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now my JOB is to write Haskell. < 1358926340 927407 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel has seriously fucked up my life. < 1358926344 384250 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having a job doesn't seem like a bad outcome, honestly. < 1358926349 159623 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey you. < 1358926352 196325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Bike was asking questions about implementation details of GHC. < 1358926368 942255 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but that's actually because I was wondering about the term "static typing". < 1358926384 188836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, learn of Haskell, and of the mathematics, and so on, to know what some of our questions are. < 1358926388 209060 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in this strange place where I know what "sum type" means but don't actually use any ML-family language regularly. < 1358926400 205594 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so like < 1358926401 440315 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do < 1358926407 814455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do not? < 1358926411 435502 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no < 1358926412 701040 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do < 1358926419 364680 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no do not. < 1358926421 340801 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I being punked? < 1358926424 374343 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It's "pretty cool imo, honestly". < 1358926458 875359 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell made me forget how to program kinda. < 1358926460 508419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is the sum type, product type, exponent type, and sometime we even try to think of logarithm type and so on but perhaps there is none of that. But, there is the derivative of type, though! < 1358926464 300557 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i know haskell is cool, i just don't want to bother setting up an environment and learning what libraries to use and bla bla bla when I hardly program anyway and I can just sit in my hovel reading books. < 1358926471 662773 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the derivative of type, zzo38. < 1358926475 803676 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to write some C++ and realised I hadn't done, like, IO. < 1358926477 317641 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a while. < 1358926486 185176 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: A zipper. < 1358926487 145811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I tried to explain it to you once, but you got bored. < 1358926493 530604 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1358926494 255857 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It's the thing with the holes. < 1358926498 331171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not quite a zipper, but it's related. < 1358926501 990433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It is the same like derivative of numbers, but in some cases you can't due to no predecessor types and that stuff < 1358926504 190713 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1358926506 399788 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One step at a time. < 1358926515 586811 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when do numbers have derivatives? < 1358926516 309235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You don't really need to learn libraries to benefit from Haskell, though. < 1358926531 9534 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no? < 1358926536 51817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1358926594 606363 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the libraries are so nice. < 1358926622 320202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them. < 1358926626 835577 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hackage is no CPAN, but it is good. < 1358926632 514998 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the whole. < 1358926670 159072 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, that was supposed to imply "how do i benefit from haskell if i can't write using libraries" < 1358926691 646250 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can though? < 1358926711 434151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You benefit by it, like, changing the way you think and stuff, man!! < 1358926717 120987 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there aren't bindings for some library you like, you can make them. < 1358926741 748379 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I already got that, shachaf. I have a copy of TAPL and a couple papers I don't understand downloaded. < 1358926756 651798 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus the answers to my questions about how call/cc works in haskell and bla bla bla. < 1358926760 140262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read TaPL. < 1358926772 572813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, your way of thinking hasn't yet been changed. < 1358926774 741521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell. < 1358926777 920495 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "pretty cool, imo" < 1358926787 86612 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you tell, shachaf? < 1358926795 898988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just can, man. < 1358926799 370886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't question it!! < 1358926811 785774 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it's because I wrote the Scheme name for call/cc instead of making a convoluted joke involving Oleg. < 1358926814 34690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you logread? < 1358926816 127346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually call/cc works in Haskell is like Peirce's law of classical logic. < 1358926843 401536 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i don't get the types-logic correspondence, honestly. < 1358926855 29231 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explore it. < 1358926856 527287 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kind of ok with that because I'm shitty at logic anyhow. < 1358926857 974050 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes pretty deep. < 1358926866 980522 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing i want to do academically is that related to it. < 1358926887 54033 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "oh hey, I can look at this function's type and know that there is no possible implementation of it which is total". < 1358926890 593981 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm just a dumb kid anyway. What do I know. < 1358926891 903115 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This type is a lying fucker." < 1358926910 574708 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would such a type be? < 1358926921 669690 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is with intuitionistic logic, and then if you use continuations, make classical logic. < 1358926927 457415 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, say, head :: [a] -> a < 1358926928 181133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote kmc Int < 1358926928 399708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says: i don't expect that the "write code that doesn't suck pattern" can ever be made into a library < 1358926935 53688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote kmc exist < 1358926935 272467 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says: "Haskell is great, because Curry-Howard! Proving things in the type system. We can prove that, uh, Ints exist, unless they're ⊥." < 1358926956 390629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as () -> Zero if () is a unit type and Zero is uninhabited type. < 1358926959 619731 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ints are nice. It's nice to know that they exist. < 1358926967 587079 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the same as ([a] or []) implies a, which is clearly false < 1358926988 431629 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I know that a function that can't return a value can't return a value? < 1358927003 78601 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, so it has to throw an exception or something. < 1358927021 391514 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example. < 1358927036 475953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is also, using function type as exponents, pairs as products, Either as sums, even so id :: Zero -> Zero just as zero to the power of zero equals one. < 1358927058 943253 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0^0 doesn't always equal one... what kind of heresies does Haskell teach!! < 1358927080 272839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It does. < 1358927091 110737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some say it doesn't, but in many cases, I see, I think that certainly 0^0=1 is correct. < 1358927130 944286 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"only sometimes" < 1358927137 335054 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever that's not very serious of me < 1358927151 194153 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The TI-92 calculator will make 0^0=1 but will display a warning) < 1358927155 140047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I used to be a disbeliever. < 1358927164 506634 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what, exponents/ < 1358927165 730786 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also given a function type I'm pretty sure you can recursively enumerate possible implementations of that function. < 1358927188 966690 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: I think I once wrote that for some cases. < 1358927194 32001 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there's a Haskell thing that will generate *some* implementation given a type. < 1358927205 651323 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there a lambdabot function for that? < 1358927209 942290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nat -> Bool) has uncountably many inhabitants!! < 1358927210 161175 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a ridiculous name < 1358927224 560498 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean that for some function types, makes a list of all function of that type. < 1358927237 639683 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :djinn < 1358927240 590619 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Djinn < 1358927242 389753 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1358927242 608659 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn a -> [a] < 1358927242 827243 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Undefined type [] < 1358927243 148062 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that one. < 1358927247 536243 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks lambdabot. < 1358927249 464529 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn a -> (a,a) < 1358927249 684305 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a = (a, a) < 1358927254 288770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn a -> Maybe a < 1358927254 616588 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f = Just < 1358927265 555181 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn [a] -> a < 1358927265 774013 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Undefined type [] < 1358927268 482515 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn a -> Maybe b < 1358927268 701275 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f _ = Nothing < 1358927272 596531 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Maybe a -> a < 1358927272 815095 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- f cannot be realized. < 1358927276 291934 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Maybe a -> [a] < 1358927276 511023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Undefined type [] < 1358927276 774801 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn () -> Botton < 1358927277 216269 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Undefined type Botton < 1358927281 263305 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1358927283 428189 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bottom. well, whatever < 1358927287 216261 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i has a dumb < 1358927290 208150 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. < 1358927290 426604 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn Maybe a -> List a < 1358927290 426775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Undefined type List < 1358927295 164657 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn-env < 1358927295 383394 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data () = () < 1358927295 383561 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Either a b = Left a | Right b < 1358927295 383667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Maybe a = Nothing | Just a < 1358927295 383771 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Bool = False | True < 1358927295 383959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Void < 1358927295 602334 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ok. < 1358927297 171054 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Not x = x -> Void < 1358927299 158179 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Monad m where return :: a -> m a; (>>=) :: m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b < 1358927301 128353 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Eq a where (==) :: a -> a -> Bool < 1358927303 54252 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Cont r a = Cont ((a -> r) -> r) < 1358927306 539268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Lists are very boring from the perspective of Djinn. < 1358927315 385269 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry you feel that way, djinn. < 1358927335 90310 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All this talk of djinn and all I have is vodka. < 1358927346 750825 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no Y combinator for types, is there? < 1358927349 885713 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'm not a disbeliever. I just don't care that much, is all. < 1358927369 339262 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that would require a type that is also a kind, and so on, no? < 1358927382 298442 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1358927399 480694 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would require a TC typechecker to evaluate a type-expression to a fixed point, obviously. < 1358927403 152696 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea, I just want to know if it's possible to encode the type of a list in djinn, and since I don't think the type in question can be named < 1358927410 189661 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously. < 1358927423 958552 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey. < 1358927429 976747 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like being in a channel where that is "obviously". < 1358927435 564751 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or obviously *enough*. < 1358927436 529606 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1358927462 924882 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like watching people talk about neat things. < 1358927463 165653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ? < 1358927479 556122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by Y combinator? < 1358927495 675465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically the implementation of Y, or just any fixed-point combinator? < 1358927499 82200 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANy < 1358927519 68734 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Fix f = Fix (f (Fix f)) < 1358927520 33880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with newtype Fix f = Fix (f (Fix f))? < 1358927566 726015 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My only goal is to get djinn to understand types. Naming a new type doesn't help with that as far as I see < 1358927582 103978 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure djinn understands types better than most humans. < 1358927585 416515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn-add newtype Fix f = Fix (f (Fix f)) < 1358927585 635354 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot parse command < 1358927589 286441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn-add data Fix f = Fix (f (Fix f)) < 1358927589 505639 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Recursive types are not allowed: Fix < 1358927591 687160 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lists < 1358927591 935363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1358927602 607434 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1358927614 668604 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it that's a no-go on the List thing then < 1358927628 571335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recursive types are boring from Djinn's perspective. < 1358927635 984664 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn-add data List a = Nil | (a, List a) < 1358927636 204245 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot parse command < 1358927646 650074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's broken syntax anyway. < 1358927646 904811 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they support quantified types? < 1358927649 729063 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Djinn's kind of picky, isn't it. < 1358927655 3085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you should give up now because it's pointless. < 1358927658 141458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION , motivational speaker
< 1358927666 266130 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn-add data List a = Nil | List (a, List a) < 1358927666 485130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Recursive types are not allowed: List < 1358927676 35255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: A Haskell compiler also wouldn't accept that, because it's invalid syntax. < 1358927685 835900 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Djinn always choose the least implementation? < 1358927687 340956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Quantified as in rank-2? < 1358927690 287416 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some ordering on implementations. < 1358927691 794200 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax is boring from my perspective, amirite < 1358927695 874975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, and rank-N < 1358927697 841462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: It tries to use as many variables as it can. < 1358927699 133319 :ejnahc!~ejnahc@unaffiliated/ejnahc JOIN :#esoteric < 1358927700 346372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Nope. < 1358927760 482242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Djinn does is impossible for rank-2 types. < 1358927771 393912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And EVEN MORE IMPOSSIBLE for rank-n types. < 1358927776 711820 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, in other news. This paper has an appendix about the choice of Greek letter in its notation. I am going to print it out and burn it. < 1358927800 951194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love greek letters < 1358927803 387200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are so easy < 1358927812 199748 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not easy. < 1358927814 171613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you want to waste the paper and ink on that? < 1358927815 859985 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX source is included. < 1358927847 90113 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we not human? Do we not enjoy the visceral appeal of burning stuff we don't like? < 1358927857 819637 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or pooping on it. < 1358927862 990036 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, because I am superstitious, and strongly believe that if I don't cleanse myself of this taint, I may be infected, and start considering using Tengwar. < 1358927887 3200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should not waste it. < 1358927907 203483 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. i will use a proxy. < 1358927916 719193 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soon: < Bike> Hey all, I'm looking for a good Tengwar font for programming. < 1358927924 290490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think it should not be wasted in general. < 1358927928 744150 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iti's a serious risk, man! < 1358927935 532547 :ttmrichter!~ttmrichte@31.25.101.133 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358927946 576614 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, to be honest, I live in the woods and am sick of trees, so I'm not too sympathetic to paper. < 1358927951 179089 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see its parents watching me. < 1358927953 402722 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember having a video of someone burning a page of Circe's code < 1358927967 975596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should not destroy the environment, solar system, and universe, in order to save humanity. Other way around is a bit better, though. < 1358927970 219785 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi ttmrichter < 1358927978 549165 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1358927982 265293 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1358927982 265484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are sick of trees, get out of the woods please. < 1358927984 764009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi ttmrichter < 1358927996 605482 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to. But life is hard. We don't always get what we ant. < 1358927998 534467 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :want. < 1358928006 637541 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I don't have my ant army either. < 1358928064 193811 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At work we used to have a bunch of build scripts written using Ant. < 1358928066 886308 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And let me tell you. < 1358928073 131609 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean real ants! < 1358928075 619660 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking programmers. < 1358928082 845875 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You almost NEVER get what you ant. < 1358928099 392390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: would you BE QUIET and let evincar make his puns < 1358928102 47318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1358928112 855714 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 fuckpuns < 1358928113 339665 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shpxchaf < 1358928140 196055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 evincar < 1358928140 768819 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rivapne < 1358928142 999858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 ravine < 1358928143 242348 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :enivar < 1358928147 194391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 riven < 1358928147 921056 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :evira < 1358928162 481805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 myst < 1358928162 962159 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zlfg < 1358928164 218762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 exile < 1358928164 686580 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rkvyr < 1358928166 392736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 uru < 1358928166 911628 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1358928168 599773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1358928186 817076 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey Newspeak is on Newspeak3 < 1358928190 215039 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gosh. < 1358928209 165841 :ttmrichter!~ttmrichte@31.25.101.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure am, shachaf. < 1358928230 147206 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel silly for not heretofore having noticed what "shachaf" is. < 1358928236 711208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Evira" is the Finnish Food Safety Authority ("Elintarviketurvallisuusvirasto"). < 1358928238 802511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttmrichter: Am what? < 1358928263 289024 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought "shachaf" was a Hebrew name, and "funpuns" is a coincidence. < 1358928280 153163 :ttmrichter!~ttmrichte@31.25.101.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi. < 1358928282 604156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: You mean, other than my given name? < 1358928291 711326 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1 point for rot13 < 1358928300 943450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttmrichter: I heard you should learn Haskell. < 1358928307 19158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you already know Haskell? < 1358928308 7703 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was "Shacha F.", highly respected Ukrainian drug dealer by day, hacker by night. < 1358928311 250897 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more interesting than just 'backwards' < 1358928312 941562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you should learn it again. < 1358928316 964266 :ttmrichter!~ttmrichte@31.25.101.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I already know Haskell. < 1358928324 971838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttmrichter: Then you should learn lens. < 1358928326 904419 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that transliterated as "Sasha"? < 1358928327 124520 :ttmrichter!~ttmrichte@31.25.101.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even have a credit in Real World Haskell. :) < 1358928345 854989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttmrichter: I recognize your nick but I'm not sure where from. < 1358928356 321542 :ttmrichter!~ttmrichte@31.25.101.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :From a recent anti-Haskell rant, probably. :D < 1358928365 306046 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, you're in a lot of channels. < 1358928377 138739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But do you know of the monad, comonad, Kleisli category, Kan extensions, Cartesian closed category, ... < 1358928385 611332 :ttmrichter!~ttmrichte@31.25.101.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but they're all low-volume. < 1358928388 808104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're that person. < 1358928392 689911 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's important that you know of Kan extensions. < 1358928392 931301 :ttmrichter!~ttmrichte@31.25.101.133 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I know *of* them. :) < 1358928402 999167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, this won't be productive. < 1358928456 57420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :evincar: Why did you invite a troll to this channel? < 1358928489 262912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're more about the crackpots. < 1358928501 641607 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: We had a nice conversation about garbage collectors and I am a hospitable person. < 1358928531 551130 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The more the merrier! < 1358928536 42333 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or approximately merrier. < 1358928574 299519 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merrier in the limit? < 1358928577 797297 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merriment increases asymptotically with morement, but it may not be observable for some values of n. < 1358928608 256397 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that. < 1358928657 957979 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's how Heaven works. It just keeps getting more people since the world is endless, and the dead grow more and more joyful, eventually becoming one with God and happiness after eternity. < 1358928668 493015 :ttmrichter!~ttmrichte@31.25.101.133 PART #esoteric :"Leave" < 1358928691 589404 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean that this is hell? :( < 1358928715 755365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The biggest greed is wanting an afterlife. < 1358928732 661305 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harsh, bro. < 1358928749 697883 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-95.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1358928758 348494 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The biggest greed is wanting an afterlife and take everything with you. < 1358928852 710576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358928874 733743 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything i touch dies..... < 1358929119 785361 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :high five bro < 1358929165 541119 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.genomicron.evolverzone.com/wp-content/uploads/Fig1.jpg < 1358929336 869664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fig. 1. A fascinating picture." (Figure caption from some maths journal on the "recent issues" desk in the library.) < 1358929382 688420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The contents were, IIRC, some kind of a graph. It didn't make any special sense to me.) < 1358929436 822303 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to set the switches on this thing. Dayan, P. (2012). Current Opinion in Neurobiology, 22(6), 1074–1068. < 1358929595 629063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was I too rude? < 1358929601 141895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps ttmrichter isn't always a troll. < 1358929659 752797 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your prior experience? < 1358929717 236072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think http://www.txt.io/t-2kv5h is the post they referred to. < 1358929756 72775 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1358929762 49445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1358929802 452822 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1358929809 155304 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1358929851 600254 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was hoping for, like, something about Haskell, at least. < 1358929935 485358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :«PayPal once rejected a candidate who aced all the engineering tests because for fun, the guy said that he liked to play hoops. That single sentence lost him the job. No PayPal people would ever have used the world “hoops.” Probably no one even knew how to play “hoops.” Basketball would be bad enough. But “hoops?” That guy clearly wouldn’t have fit in. He’d have had to explain to the team why he was going to go play hoops on ... < 1358929941 435346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :... a Thursday night. And no one would have understood him.» < 1358929944 88104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good hiring strategy imo < 1358930034 155654 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1358930070 889492 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :paypal's ceo is the one that was making an offshore libertarian utopia, right? < 1358930096 617659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :«PayPal also had a hard time hiring women. An outsider might think that the PayPal guys bought into the stereotype that women don’t do CS. But that’s not true at all. The truth is that PayPal had trouble hiring women because PayPal was just a bunch of nerds! They never talked to women. So how were they supposed to interact with and hire them?» < 1358930123 877312 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin' nerds, maaaaan < 1358930207 435932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :«One good hiring maxim is: whenever there’s any doubt, there’s no doubt. It’s a good heuristic. More often than not, any doubt precluded a hire. But once this very impressive woman came to interview. There were some doubts, since she seemed reluctant to solve a coding problem. But her talk and demeanor—she insisted on being interviewed over a ping-pong game, for instance—indicated that she’d fit into the ubernerd, ubercoder ... < 1358930213 600392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :... culture. She turned out to be reasonably good at ping-pong. Doubts were suppressed. That was a mistake. She turned out to not know how to code. She was a competent manager but a cultural outsider. PayPal was a place where the younger engineers could and would sometimes wrestle with each other on the floor to solve disputes! If you didn’t get the odd mix of nerdiness + alpha maleness, you just stuck out.» < 1358930219 529537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a great place to work < 1358930258 29400 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, um, are all these quotes supposed to be positive about PayPal? < 1358930267 193424 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they really don't come off that way. < 1358930278 355358 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... kind of confused about the level of sarcasm, here. < 1358930292 744613 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... wrestle... on the floor? < 1358930318 86032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You're just mad you're not ubernerd and/or alphamale enough for PayPal. < 1358930327 889675 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, really, is this PayPal saying this? < 1358930330 849740 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I like a good wrestle, but... < 1358930335 489247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blakemasters.com/post/21437840885/peter-thiels-cs183-startup-class-5-notes-essay < 1358930339 473038 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only wrestle if mud is provided. < 1358930345 360616 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like a wonderful way to make good code < 1358930356 27964 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there's a technical decision, pff, /discussing/ it? that's for /girls/ < 1358930369 248082 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :real men *wrestle* in their code reviews < 1358930377 358518 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, a ttrpg tagline. k < 1358930392 744953 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, your code can't fight for itself. < 1358930396 206664 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to stand up for it. < 1358930414 348753 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" It turned out that scaling up would be very challenging for PayPal because the 26 year-olds who were managing hundreds of thousands of credit cards didn’t make all the optimal choices from the beginning. " < 1358930440 233151 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But well. Not sarcastic at all. Wow. < 1358930469 971408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe these quotes are just made up. < 1358930508 615644 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so the paypal cofounder involved in John Galt bullshit is someone else, at least. < 1358930965 146503 :impomatic!~digital_w@211.67.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1358931517 181515 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1358931941 339452 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1358931968 35569 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358932013 515689 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have lost the ability to sleep. < 1358932014 837937 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-95.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1358932017 453549 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am discomfited. < 1358932177 368502 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358933629 469086 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358933648 159393 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358934884 167425 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1358935563 307750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why is ε afraid of ζ? < 1358935638 181650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358935687 358427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1358935729 922051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hi s 5 2 3 < 1358938621 500076 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358938706 252644 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :523 EHLO < 1358938886 682350 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1358939631 136320 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358941478 315040 :evincar!~jonpurdy@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net QUIT :Quit: Up up and away! < 1358941512 812857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1358941806 289642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you realize ζ and θ would work better with the actual alphabet order? or is that part of the joke. < 1358941930 21674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hmm? < 1358941937 880556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: Why is ε afiraid of ζ? < 1358941946 235357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A: Because ζ η θ. < 1358941962 39837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fi/f/ < 1358941966 690275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats himself -----###
< 1358941976 949701 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :αβγδεζηθικ... < 1358941994 923112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite think that joke works, which is strange because it's exactly analogous to the same joke with numbers < 1358942000 102276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION then sics 7 on shachaf
< 1358942008 855081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why doesn't it work? < 1358942019 759551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe it only works in American.) < 1358942027 921225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it does, but I translated it to American < 1358942032 60136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the problem is the extra article < 1358942047 719985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that was just a heavy greek accent < 1358942052 367103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think of the letters as types of things, rather than as individual things, because thetas have to be countable < 1358942054 334969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the article is fine. < 1358942058 851989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise the grammar is worng < 1358942060 573908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wrong < 1358942064 214642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a theta" sounds OK to me. < 1358942065 677109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes them rather harder to anthropomorphise < 1358942092 820988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, but the joke doesn't work, because why would an epsilon care that a theta has been eaten? it's not a theta itself < 1358942100 135859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah humans are hard to anthropomorphise because there is more than one of them < 1358942107 491183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it's a /letter/, but it doesn't generalize well < 1358942112 726574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, sure, but it's a letter. < 1358942117 114449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds fine to me. < 1358942120 490107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: humans are very hard to anthropomorphise < 1358942129 241493 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 isn't 9 either < 1358942144 615328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas with the number version of the joke, the fact that it's just "9" that's been eaten makes it sound like a proper noun < 1358942151 240034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so 6 could reasonably fear that it was next < 1358942157 336061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did ε decide to stop being a Scientologist? < 1358942161 507093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they sound like they're both names for the same sorts of things < 1358942168 207874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe epsilon just isn't a letterist, and so is fully capable of empathy with thetas < 1358942186 761715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A: When ζηθn. < 1358942188 488895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he's clearly the last remaining epsilon < 1358942231 88904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote oerjan: humans are very hard to anthropomorphise < 1358942237 226806 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :928) oerjan: humans are very hard to anthropomorphise < 1358942244 31414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're human already! < 1358942251 151554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that works best with no context < 1358942256 382576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plugged in a USB headset, but had to reboot in order for it to show up in Gnome sound settings as an output option (as opposed to just existing in the "hardware" tab). :/ < 1358942256 601286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1358942274 860695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Perhaps you don't think it works because you're unfamiliar with ζ. < 1358942280 483040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: perhaps restarting the appropriate daemon would have worked < 1358942281 204837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ζ does not discriminate. < 1358942325 524674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ζ is like a monster, and the rest of the Greek alphabet is like Tokyo. < 1358942326 248298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ζ is obviously Xenu. < 1358942352 854953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xenu ate a Thetan? < 1358942380 293475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe he's L Ron Hubbard < 1358942420 365564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is #esoteric going to be sued now? < 1358942452 105536 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :θn < 1358942466 127389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: we'll be sued for accidentaly making up part of their copyrighted books < 1358942467 91940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:56 A: When ζηθn. < 1358942519 668376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Shouldn't you be asleep? < 1358942597 107841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/*quo* < 1358942598 313707 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/addquote \ bin/allquotes \ bin/delquote \ bin/pastaquote \ bin/pastenquotes \ bin/pastequotes \ bin/quoerjan \ bin/quote \ bin/quotes < 1358942612 938689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1358942622 831988 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358942623 399835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/*qu* < 1358942624 74210 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/addquote \ bin/allquotes \ bin/delquote \ bin/pastaquote \ bin/pastenquotes \ bin/pastequotes \ bin/quachaf \ bin/queegan \ bin/quoerjan \ bin/quørjan \ bin/quote \ bin/quotes < 1358942629 385894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could define addquoerjan, allquoerjan, delquoerjan, pastaquoerjan, etc. < 1358942715 943727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/queegan < 1358942716 961958 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote kmc < 1358942723 636676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/quachaf < 1358942724 601892 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote shachaf < 1358942732 454240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/quoerjan < 1358942733 768015 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :allquotes | grep oerjan | shuf < 1358942763 611981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there seriously no command for "random quote containing $1"? < 1358942774 985605 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to make a FUSE filesystem for this and mount it on /bin. < 1358942781 427111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was what i was wondering, in fact < 1358942787 442136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/quote < 1358942788 674620 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ allquotes | if [ "$1" ]; then \ if expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1; then \ sed "$1q;d" \ else \ grep -P -i -- "$1" \ fi \ else shuf -n 1; fi < 1358942838 199164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/quotes < 1358942839 436758 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ allquotes | if [ "$1" ]; then \ if expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1; then \ sed "$1q;d" \ else \ grep -P -i -- "$1" \ fi \ else shuf -n 1; fi < 1358942866 373999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/quotes < 1358942866 615456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/quote < 1358942867 338395 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ allquotes | if [ "$1" ]; then \ if expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1; then \ sed "$1q;d" \ else \ grep -P -i -- "$1" \ fi \ else shuf -n 1; fi < 1358942867 578896 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ allquotes | if [ "$1" ]; then \ if expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1; then \ sed "$1q;d" \ else \ grep -P -i -- "$1" \ fi \ else shuf -n 1; fi < 1358942884 462133 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote quote < 1358942885 908010 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :30) i can get an erection out of a plank, you can quote me on that. \ 70) [Warrigal] `addquote hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows 'cuz it's pretty awesome. [Lawlabee] Warrigal: :( \ 71) Note that quote number 124 is not actually true. \ 79) let's put that in the HackEgo quotes files, just to completely mystif < 1358942913 298573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/pastaquote < 1358942914 503925 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ exec quote pasta < 1358942928 736040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastaquote < 1358942930 181494 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1358942947 437135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least they were considerate enough to leave a tail call. < 1358943007 923100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is scientology real < 1358943033 412487 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scientologists are real < 1358943036 133722 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um, I slept for like 5 hours. and then I saw the Ni no Kuni box on my desk < 1358943106 579467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`translate Ni no Kuni < 1358943110 271243 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/json", line 4, in \ data = json.loads(sys.stdin.read().decode('utf-8')) \ File "/opt/python27/lib/python2.7/json/__init__.py", line 310, in loads \ return _default_decoder.decode(s) \ File "/opt/python27/lib/python2.7/json/decoder.py", line 346, in decode \ obj, end < 1358943139 929011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's a Japanese computer game. < 1358943141 856571 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google wikipedia Ni no Kuni < 1358943143 126577 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ni_no_Kuni < 1358943143 968096 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Ni no Kuni - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1358943163 892753 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a game by Level 5 that just came out in US < 1358943169 597277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I read _Death Note_, speaking of Japenese things? < 1358943170 563043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/pasta/"pasta|spaghetti|macaroni|maccheroni|ravioli|fusilli|tortellini|noodle|tagliatelle"/' bin/pastaquote < 1358943173 502068 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1358943174 948416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My sister said I should read it. < 1358943175 671914 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of what you'd get if Dragon Quest and Studio Ghibli had babies < 1358943179 991196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastaquote < 1358943181 198095 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1358943188 951193 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm Death Note is pretty good, I've only seen the anime though < 1358943196 335970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That's some serious spaghetti code. < 1358943198 96441 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard anyone say the manga was /worse/ though, so :p < 1358943202 688746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ordered it, but Japanese is hard. < 1358943209 625516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote pasta|spaghetti|macaroni|maccheroni|ravioli|fusilli|tortellini|noodle|tagliatelle < 1358943211 597 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1358943211 511727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I haven't read beyond the first page. < 1358943213 316241 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh, it's translated :P < 1358943222 579135 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're doing this as language learning exercise < 1358943223 542773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be, like, cheating. < 1358943236 511506 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that you might want to start with something for a younger audience, like some shonen that has furigana < 1358943244 549827 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Death Note has furigana. < 1358943249 232816 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it does O_O < 1358943250 197003 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1358943258 47384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote oerjan|shachaf < 1358943259 485910 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :7) what, you mean that wasn't your real name? Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that. \ 16) oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! \ 19) In an alternate universe, ehird < 1358943264 807077 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then that should work ! < 1358943266 255979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you able of reading Japanese? < 1358943282 392955 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even close < 1358943282 833020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: something tells me we don't discuss pasta much here < 1358943284 281448 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I would read the first page of shonen. < 1358943302 273096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote pasta < 1358943302 491573 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot says: < donri> @where hpaste-dns < lambdabot> I know nothing about hpasta-dns. < 1358943312 863621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where hpaste-dns < 1358943313 128573 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about hpasta-dns. < 1358943316 855260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOUL! < 1358943318 903020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote pasta < 1358943319 121370 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sebazzz says: y venden bulks y esas mierdas bulks llenos de pastabase < 1358943322 542577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote pasta < 1358943322 762267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot says: < donri> @where hpaste-dns < lambdabot> I know nothing about hpasta-dns. < 1358943323 788201 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most I know is roughly how to read kana, beyond that I'm pretty clueless < 1358943334 945463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have you beat! < 1358943346 62576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know the hiragana, sort of. < 1358943352 999051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even the katakana. < 1358943370 94037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: your sister is just trying to get away from the curse she got by reading Death Note by passing it on to you. hth. < 1358943372 590709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't even really know those, because it was a while ago. < 1358943389 948246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's OK, I'll just pass it on to Fiora. < 1358943392 193332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And/or Bike. < 1358943397 21933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're the same person, I think. < 1358943409 154705 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the death note book is machine printable < 1358943454 433197 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only sort of know the katakana, I still need a reference to check things < 1358943486 87412 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically I know just enough japanese to feel completely clueless < 1358943504 153576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I manage to feel completely clueless while knowing even less Japanese. < 1358943516 213286 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should try to forget a little of it, then. < 1358943517 416383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's just a matter of natural talent? < 1358943869 179707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :FOUR SIMULTANEOUS TYPE SYSTEMS IN A SINGLE ROTATION OF THE LAMBDA CUBE | Necessity of inplantation of microchips every day is a must have to even be conssidered | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1358943904 86806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the misspelling is intentional, see log) < 1358943963 458199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which misspelling is intentional? < 1358943968 98354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the other one unintentional? < 1358943989 572315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that one was already in the topic. < 1358943990 410087 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well they're both based on something that came before. < 1358944018 687693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that just makes it fit together better < 1358944299 231175 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : basically I know just enough japanese to feel completely clueless < 1358944341 410004 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know just enough japanese to know that the japanese consider "english word said in the most racist japanese accent" the normal way of doing loanwords < 1358944365 520454 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, people doing racist interpretations have no idea how kana work <.< < 1358944401 609453 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same way we do loanwords, we write it in our alphabet and sound it out terribly < 1358944415 687690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what racist english accents sound like < 1358944523 773475 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://actualfacebookgraphsearches.tumblr.com/ ... oh wow. this exists < 1358944668 980261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything exists. < 1358944673 387474 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://actualfacebookgraphsearches.tumblr.com/post/41233537916/people-who-like-english-defence-league-and-curry < 1358944686 185549 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of the not the 9 o'clock news tory conference sketch < 1358944833 706144 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's my Tom Scott. < 1358944836 788711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*by < 1358944838 296053 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figures. < 1358944874 544502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it true that everything exists? < 1358944900 665622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you say: There are unicorns, but no existent unicorns? Or would you say: There are no unicorns? < 1358944919 969422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This question was raised by Raymond Smullyan, who attributed it to some other philosopher person.) < 1358945120 546996 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7fa5.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358945766 867518 :noam_!~noam@213.57.201.130 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358946377 493434 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7fa5.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1358946590 716850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote okay so like do Or do not? no no do There is no do not. < 1358946593 606938 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :929) okay so like do Or do not? no no do There is no do not. < 1358947375 10165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Evira" is the Finnish Food Safety Authority ("Elintarviketurvallisuusvirasto"). <-- obviously fake, there are no umlauts < 1358947446 595584 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1358947614 560548 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358947775 805125 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"viketurvall" is obviously "food" due to its striking resemblance to the english "victual" < 1358947843 305124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive skill at missing the root boundaries, quintopia < 1358947892 906392 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i figured i would. break it up for me < 1358947939 971853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1358947952 602043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Elin|tarvike)|turvallisuus|virasto. < 1358947958 933598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well see it's derived from 'keturv' < 1358947971 958978 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is 'vrutek' backwards < 1358947990 22555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish involves a lot of "turn it backwards" style derivation, yes. < 1358948056 697370 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish sounds like the worst < 1358948086 351843 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vrutek is of course derived from the croatian supermarket chain < 1358948155 156308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: finnish words basically never end in a consonant combination, and i don't think a single -r is appropriate either. < 1358948182 775381 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric < 1358948188 74126 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358948193 168932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can see it was wrong, although not so much where it _should_ split. < 1358948237 845617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think -n and -s are the main consonants that _can_ occur at the end of words. < 1358948275 636168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversing a word and appending -all is as we all know the finnish version of the irth form < 1358948276 981002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(possibly only) < 1358948282 294725 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: lets just make shit up and pretend its finnish < 1358948325 655879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: well if you had said "keturvalli", say, i wouldn't have been sure whether you were right or not. < 1358948340 712287 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358948384 343996 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but that would have left "suus" < 1358948414 603922 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we can guess "virasto" from the fact it is abbv'd "evira" < 1358948424 82558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but i am not sure that "suus" isn't a word < 1358948445 376693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They're certainly the most likely, but it's not a strict rule; I mean, it's a language, all rules have exceptions. (E.g. askel 'a step' ends in l.) < 1358948453 293527 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt look very wordlike. i t only has four letters! < 1358948483 714441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it would be a pronoun or something... < 1358948520 66245 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the name of an organization? < 1358948546 235885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are a lot of words that end in "-tar" describing female people. < 1358948550 559787 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :organizations dont use words under 3 syllables silly < 1358948570 393235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Näyttelijätär 'actress', and so on.) < 1358948582 195616 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the real finnish irth form < 1358948612 774970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: darn don't go ruining all my rules here < 1358948627 705521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "irth" < 1358948660 861874 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i explainirth these days < 1358948679 254271 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you damn scandinavians come into our channel and can't even be bothered to learn our language < 1358948681 655601 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except oklopol < 1358948692 442213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://sprunge.us/UDJX though that wordlist has a lot of direct loanwords and things like that. < 1358948715 448606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (And probably most of the 't's are plurals, it has some amount of inflected variants.) < 1358948766 22702 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you guys currently in the process of learning your own language? < 1358948790 363457 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1358948792 337393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :neida < 1358948801 887238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the bbc continuity announcers < 1358948849 184439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :farscape got cancelled so abruptly they didn't even have time to get rid of the twist and the "to be continued" in the final episode < 1358948875 556661 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the announcer says "despite what it says on the tin that was the last episode of farscape" < 1358948921 712542 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was continued though < 1358948925 678595 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly it's much worse without the deadpan, bored bbc continuity announcement voice < 1358948927 243700 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the peacekeeper wars finished it < 1358948937 13626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, yes, but not when that announcement was made! < 1358948971 122181 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never heard the announcement when i watched it < 1358948977 183291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have a continuum of announcers < 1358948979 666248 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the version i watched was unmolested by bbc < 1358949005 466417 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'molested' < 1358949008 612378 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about < 1358949042 807413 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbc continuity announcements are a gift! < 1358949302 401233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also braca: best toady ever?) < 1358949649 120248 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1358950262 451376 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1358950314 606601 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358950953 713626 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-95.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1358951283 350056 :ejnahc!~ejnahc@unaffiliated/ejnahc PART #esoteric :"InklChat :: http://barosl.com/inklchat/" < 1358951803 371518 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358951883 660750 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358952808 471762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1358953105 517426 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1358953576 187535 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you say things here so they dont go in the public log < 1358953805 348803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we had a discussion about that. < 1358953811 951115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggested something XML-based, IIRC. < 1358953830 41608 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kick glogbot? < 1358953891 9809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure hope this comment was not logged. < 1358953893 984198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That. < 1358953906 811059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, I don't think it works. < 1358953926 573453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know it's part of freenode guidelines to have a way of doing it.) < 1358953954 293211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: What do you want to say? < 1358954038 824751 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nothing now. i just wanted to know how it was done. < 1358954052 506551 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok guys < 1358954057 664678 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's not < 1358954076 575207 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just created a quick mutiplayer game based on stratego and I need 2 or 3 people to test it! < 1358954159 944099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think e's going to report the channel to THE AUTHORITIES now that you've admitted that. < 1358954201 451376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358954210 564307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ais523 the authorirtiteis < 1358954221 11622 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :authoritites < 1358954231 776069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FREENODE POLICE is the authoritities. < 1358954232 499767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :authorititis < 1358954248 426526 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :authori titties < 1358954362 722569 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: how do you make a quick multiplayer game? was the networking that easy to hash out? < 1358954375 951811 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: authorititis sounds awful, in the same line as teleportitis. < 1358954397 512324 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: for some values of quick < 1358954398 77533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you keep involuntarily making laws < 1358954410 647525 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not a software or a program or anything, if that was your question < 1358954438 543867 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1358954442 257332 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tabletop? < 1358954477 116194 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :this lw conversation is really quite interesting < 1358954524 802758 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing we need is a place to chat (like emails or irc) and also something like an MD5 hash to prevent players from cheating (that is, you have to chose a secret setup at the beginning of the game, and well it'd be good to be able to check at the end that the players sticked to the setup they chosed) < 1358954531 970114 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, brb < 1358954680 186755 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: the hash of the initial setup should be done with a salt which is produced at the end, of course, so everyone can go back and check everyone else < 1358955404 105823 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: indeed < 1358957982 646093 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.pr0gramm.com/2013/01/5e59e.png wow < 1358958028 864419 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow indeed < 1358958062 356898 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1358958483 854387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1358958519 320917 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i presume bert spent the last 7 years reading tbw general questions < 1358958579 956739 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :found the link! http://board.flashkit.com/board/showthread.php?13607-PLeas-eHElp-me-on-my-Computer-Game < 1358958591 672767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 'yesterday' real life yesterday < 1358958596 105991 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1358958617 209281 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been reddit'd < 1358958712 810195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wow, that essay :( < 1358958731 734568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nerds don't know how to talk to women! and nerds hate anyone who tolerates sports! < 1358958747 468911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you hire women or people who talk to women or anyone who tolerates sports, it will sink your startup! < 1358958871 852813 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:05:16: shachaf: I already know Haskell. < 1358958872 108800 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:05:24: ttmrichter: Then you should learn lens. < 1358958872 108992 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:05:26: Isn't that transliterated as "Sasha"? < 1358958872 109099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:05:27: I even have a credit in Real World Haskell. :) < 1358958872 109209 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:05:45: ttmrichter: I recognize your nick but I'm not sure where from. < 1358958875 60434 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:05:56: From a recent anti-Haskell rant, probably. :D < 1358958877 326216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a good start < 1358958903 985184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how did you find that < 1358958963 237673 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is kmc imagining a shachaf, or am I imagining no shachaf) < 1358958975 501298 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hey whats up??? < 1358958977 814234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Wow really < 1358958980 764912 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: thjats kool < 1358958990 52945 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm respnoding to something shachaf said a while back < 1358958998 181644 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yo do you know the location of this anti-haskell rant < 1358958999 900903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gotta have my yuks < 1358959006 35205 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1358959009 663209 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S http://www.txt.io/t-2kv5h < 1358959013 36779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no i try to avoid that kind of shit < 1358959017 278448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH WOW i mocked that when it got on reddit i think < 1358959021 871307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w ehad..... a cleebruty < 1358959029 831340 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing i am suddenly A+ super into this log < 1358959033 933177 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well that's what you have me for right < 1358959085 321796 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358959179 536761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf there wasn't even a flamewar < 1358959181 125825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just left < 1358959182 214945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeez < 1358959365 486155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: haha wow I hate you for making me find out what you were referring to in the logs < 1358959388 240342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad to be of service < 1358959436 910798 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PayPal was a place where the younger engineers could and would sometimes wrestle with each other on the floor to solve disputes!" < 1358959440 772350 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are we sure this thing isn't satire < 1358959441 974121 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: make sure a library works before uploading it to Haskell < 1358959446 671552 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea < 1358959449 93166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :poe's law etc < 1358959487 799621 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most things i hear about 'startup culture' set off the poe's law detector < 1358959721 630869 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're pooling money to buy a rubber chicken head, to accompany the rubber horse head we already have. < 1358959746 6464 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uploading it to Haskell < 1358959754 506871 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uploading it to Haskell < 1358959775 866946 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are about 5 broken versions of family-tree on Hackage) < 1358959797 321714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the gender ratio of Stanford CS is really really bad < 1358959801 228570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 8% female < 1358959819 124264 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than this channel < 1358959844 483720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to ~30% at MIT < 1358959847 750739 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh burn < 1358959880 603048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Caltech is better than that I think < 1358959913 95648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had only like 25 CS undergrads graduate per year, but at least two of them were women < 1358959976 540904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder the paypal people "don't know how to talk to women" < 1358960021 297290 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it involves opening and closing your mouth in unusual ways to make sounds < 1358960026 170138 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as "hello" < 1358960107 677514 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Canonical is considering rolling releases for Ubuntu because they're running out of letters < 1358960119 783309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they should go back around the alphabet with fungi instead of animals < 1358960136 595708 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i like how you managed to turn this into mit being better than caltech < 1358960143 910827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very......... alpha male < 1358960146 603471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should go work at paypal imo < 1358960150 379525 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adorable Amanita muscaria < 1358960172 556366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wanna wrassle < 1358960184 814052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful bolete < 1358960187 224888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :charming chanterelle < 1358960190 262522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: um isn't that a bit... gay < 1358960195 86029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a programmer, you know < 1358960208 848584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not gay if the balls don't touch [p < 0.05] < 1358960227 852945 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my experience it's not gay even if the balls touch. < 1358960237 220068 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sample size 1) < 1358960251 633398 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you need a professional grade phased array gaydar to make that determination < 1358960255 410278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those cost thousands of dollars < 1358960274 612556 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're standard equipment for gays and bisexuals. < 1358960299 570808 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a biromatic asexual, can I get one? < 1358960307 446784 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, why not. < 1358960310 133889 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's close enough. < 1358960318 495864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must have missed the memo < 1358960341 308965 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, just walk through the hall of gloryholes and recieve yours. < 1358960352 258931 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the hall is so we have a handy test case) < 1358960372 631541 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like an awful person < 1358960377 850729 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1358960384 308291 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a thing in Newspeak that I fixed and never released and now I lost it < 1358960387 305361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo you're both fine people < 1358960387 523732 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did your balls touch, sgeo? < 1358960390 142474 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1358960568 322160 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, < 1358960570 86942 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The VM object supports the set of operations traditionally implemented as < 1358960570 325618 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :primitives in Smalltalk. There is no syntax for a primitive call in Newspeak. A < 1358960570 545228 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :primitive call is a message send to the VM object." < 1358960610 593599 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew it! < 1358962276 135109 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep hearing about BETA, but haven't actually looked at it < 1358962283 897009 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or gbeta which I gather is a successor) < 1358962346 424851 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" The binary for Windows is not currently available because of the large number of recent changes, but it will become available again." < 1358962353 734233 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at the news, I think gbeta's dead < 1358962358 748316 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hasn't been touched since 2011 < 1358962556 445060 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The current gbeta implementation is more for the (academic) geek who is interested in programming language design and type systems, and less for the no-nonsense practical programmer who wants to write large mission-critical applications." < 1358962577 375794 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep looking for something that works well with the latter when at heart I'm really the former < 1358962587 655243 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's why I'm always on a language hunt < 1358962619 427232 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358964524 338465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1358964526 860199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a common predicament < 1358964586 164126 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1358965761 122670 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-r is okay < 1358965762 812855 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's rare < 1358965855 23585 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also apparently this was talked ages ago and not a second ago < 1358965859 974686 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1358965881 192208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've had "really bad" ratios at least in the new-students statistics for CS some years. < 1358965886 460548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how much it's overall. < 1358965890 711085 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read upward for 5 minutes, took a sauna and continued the discussion i saw. < 1358965897 406846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly less than 30%, but might be above 8%. < 1358966062 117435 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-r ? < 1358966067 215029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: remember that time you continued a conversation in here exactly however many years later < 1358966070 92893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after having said you would < 1358966074 533136 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was so great < 1358966118 721600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gender ratio seems more important the more i think about it < 1358966147 889434 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's -r ? < 1358966164 55299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just to have more women in the field, but also so that men in the field don't see women as some strange mythological species < 1358966168 906882 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best part was that i ran home from work because i thought the moment was in 5 minutes, but i'd mixed up time difference between logs. < 1358966185 848671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i had gone to a school with a less skewed ratio, i think i would be a better person < 1358966211 449957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: well done < 1358966216 460111 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had some help < 1358966543 585937 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: when was that? < 1358966554 149207 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: ages ago < 1358966560 366101 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a year? < 1358966658 893342 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1358967298 742149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you know how to tell gcc to use ld.gold as the linker < 1358967318 268032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1358967322 374040 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1358967324 302819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how about you < 1358967384 92743 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fuse-ld=gold or something < 1358967446 193812 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here knows what is up with autoconfig generated config script trying to test if compiler works by feeding .h files to it and breaking? < 1358967520 927271 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#autotools has not answered in 48h < 1358967577 722889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: what's the error message? < 1358967608 211946 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always just blame autoconfig and give up < 1358967608 726724 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking whether the C compiler works... no < 1358967608 945427 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: error: in `/home/juhani/src/mtools-4.0.18': < 1358967608 945619 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables < 1358967626 989565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: what about in config.log? that gives more detailed errors < 1358967639 342734 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can paste it if you want < 1358967647 216222 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err. to pastebin < 1358967689 866071 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.dy.fi/TLo/plain < 1358967739 150081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: oh wow, it seems to be generating the test C file incorrectly < 1358967744 103074 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1358967745 368880 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join fmap (>>) suc 0 < 1358967747 372738 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `suc' < 1358967747 591877 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1358967747 592073 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `sum' (imported fro... < 1358967748 824742 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join fmap (>>) succ 0 < 1358967750 596682 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a0 = a0 -> b0 < 1358967755 947234 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fooey < 1358967765 267115 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ap fmap (>>) succ 0 < 1358967766 993257 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: b0 = b0 -> b1 < 1358967787 289158 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah, (>>) doesn't work like that < 1358967790 805823 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ap fmap seq succ 0 < 1358967792 49309 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1358967792 532512 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and it does that on both my slitaz 3 install AND lubuntu 12.10 < 1358967802 204879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: yeah, sounds like the config script that's broken < 1358967808 84181 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ap fmap seq "hello" < 1358967809 377153 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a0 -> b0' < 1358967809 596338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `[GHC... < 1358967817 419985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll clearly screw up consistently, given the contents of config.log < 1358967820 390682 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but that happens with _every_ file < 1358967845 107884 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :every ./configure fails the exact same way < 1358967858 292878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then autoconf is broken on the system that's generating them < 1358967865 864427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try with C-INTERCAL's configure, if you want one that's known to work < 1358967893 367319 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358967902 114275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I just grepped the entire info pages for gcc for "linker", it seems the only way to do it is to change the spec files < 1358967939 528848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an option -specs= to use a substitute specs file < 1358967941 233573 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1358967944 827605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could specify one with gold as the linker < 1358967945 826590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fuse-linker-plugin seems to wokr < 1358967947 476126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :work < 1358967972 224291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the intended method is to mention gold while building gcc, and have it generate the appropriate specs file automatically < 1358967976 788361 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://paste.dy.fi/TOO/plain < 1358968010 606460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1358968011 814402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1358968082 478085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: was a file conftest.c left behind? < 1358968087 131890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, what are its contents/ < 1358968108 866777 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1358968255 866099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does config.status exist? < 1358968270 754033 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1358968360 629824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, pretty much all the autoconf-related scripts have a -d option for leaving files like conftest.c behind < 1358968364 811710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the one we actually care about :( < 1358968454 118513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not getting the error you are, so it's definitely something up with your machine's configuration < 1358968493 231310 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also to add insult to the injury it stopped working on both machine the exact same day and I don't think I even touched the lubuntu machine that day < 1358968548 3282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love it if we could somehow grab conftest.c before it was deleted < 1358968576 346067 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try something insane < 1358968698 904029 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked < 1358968726 535566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1358968729 279485 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.dy.fi/IzT/plain < 1358968740 258350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what shell are you using? < 1358968744 230509 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mksh < 1358968756 750237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try running it in dash or bash < 1358968783 144041 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :busybox ash and bash give the same error < 1358968789 104501 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so does dash < 1358968815 106393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1358968821 126271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you paste the configure script itself? < 1358968975 616121 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know any pastebins that can hold 200kB? < 1358968991 756401 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :paste.dy.fi only works up to 64kB < 1358968992 1141 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Take C for instance. The widespread adoption is mainly due to its simplicity of syntax. With most of the recent languages adopting an interpreter based approach, why hasnt lisp or smalltalk made a comeback? Because they are complex. Complex to write, complex to maintain and complex to read. " < 1358968998 897686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: can you paste the first 3000 lines or so? < 1358969006 218657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest doesn't matter because it's already crashed by that point < 1358969034 851910 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://paste.dy.fi/Ig8/plain < 1358969107 568778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kogan.com/au/blog/new-internet-explorer-7-tax/ < 1358969113 920303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's the C-INTERCAL config script, I have that one already :) (although thanks for the paste anyway to make sure the version matches) < 1358969144 105484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I actually need the first 4000 or so lines, error's on line 3500 < 1358969147 183406 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a gold mine http://www.java.net/pub/pq/196 < 1358969189 974907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you mean the comments? < 1358969195 885505 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1358969206 778090 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'll set up a web server < 1358969323 856904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, your version of the script seems different from mine < 1358969442 727503 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :84.248.99.165 < 1358969452 390717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what page? default page? < 1358969452 869519 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is hosted with netcat < 1358969458 88981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, OK < 1358969458 574632 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :any page < 1358969461 734989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a web server, then < 1358969464 81621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a netcat server < 1358969483 502754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what port? < 1358969483 989849 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't be arsed to compile my server < 1358969486 399360 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :80 < 1358969493 402583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hanging < 1358969497 994464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I actually need to send an HTTP request? < 1358969502 583819 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :try again < 1358969503 65960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no < 1358969505 587846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just waited for a bit < 1358969629 104716 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, Bracha's paper on mirrors is formatted weirdly. There's text that's part of the paper, and right where I'm expecting more, there's copyright-related stuff < 1358969629 585974 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bracha.org/mirrors.pdf < 1358969630 917849 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bluh < 1358969800 931143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, line 3414 should be putting a main in there, but somehow it isn't < 1358969808 788147 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1358969844 239751 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... < 1358969858 50126 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I feel stupid as hell < 1358969861 520677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: could you start tracing at line 3410? < 1358969866 730501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, have you figured out what was wrong? < 1358969884 726172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: a gold mine of what? < 1358969897 347024 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :humorous fail < 1358969905 438740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, shit < 1358969907 853788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a gold mine of shit < 1358969910 351542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a shit mine, for short < 1358969912 74254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a shit mine of shit < 1358969951 896467 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does shit mine mean a mine of shit or that it's shitty at acting like a mine? < 1358969955 595812 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :slant drilling under the outhouse < 1358969958 814120 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use this cat implementation: main(a,b)char**b;{if(a>1)while(*++b){open(*b,0);while(read(3,&a,1)>0)write(1,&a,1);close(3);}else while(read(0,&a,1)>0)write(1,&a,1);return 0;} < 1358969989 897726 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason of autoconf failing was a missing feature _in my cat implementation_ < 1358970014 677244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I don't think autoconf tests if cat is sane < 1358970019 905739 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can your dumpster computer not run a real cat < 1358970020 637734 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1358970029 551419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1358970044 125747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you mentioned you'd rewritten textutils (or is cat coreutils?), I might have guessed what was wrong with the program < 1358970055 655859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, I feel there wasn't sufficient information to solve the problem :) < 1358970061 217317 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which feature? < 1358970065 25039 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :- < 1358970065 264114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat -v is pretty useful < 1358970067 680237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1358970078 861479 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I have catv for that < 1358970088 475161 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I actually forgot about that < 1358970104 302471 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it can, I just like using my own implementations of unix utils. eating your own dogshit^H^H^H^Hfood < 1358970107 19115 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote if you mentioned you'd rewritten textutils (or is cat coreutils?), I might have guessed what was wrong with the program < 1358970114 149357 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :930) if you mentioned you'd rewritten textutils (or is cat coreutils?), I might have guessed what was wrong with the program < 1358970128 821365 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I get points if I guessed the problem was nortti's system was deliberately crippled in a way he wasn't revealing like 15 minutes ago < 1358970141 853819 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1358970170 350160 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :930 quotes? wow < 1358970173 547966 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 929 < 1358970175 19518 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :929) okay so like do Or do not? no no do There is no do not. < 1358970205 320452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome insanity wolf < 1358970206 956211 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :insanity: wolf: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1358970230 725419 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who're insanity & wolf i dont see them < 1358970271 162559 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some image macro < 1358970275 663928 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: only if you told us about it like 15 minutes ago < 1358970286 956570 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, shit < 1358970311 887857 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should have a voting system on the quotes < 1358970321 909614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: telling would spoil it < 1358970323 732122 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1358970324 37588 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1358970324 524336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1358970324 787435 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1358970325 201944 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :436) My memory passed rest in peace sgeos memory < 1358970325 420968 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :662) pikhq: And of course Rick Perry, saying that there's something wrong with a country where gays can serve in the military but we don't elect a douchebag as president. < 1358970325 845081 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :448) I combined the wholegrain breakfast and chocolatey breakfast for maximum breakfast efficiency < 1358970326 84636 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :141) < ais523> then running repeatedly until you get the right sequence of random numbers < ais523> and just completely ignoring the input <-- some people live their entire lives this way, i reckon < 1358970327 280140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1358970328 424208 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :80) oklopol geez what are you doing here ...i don't know :< i actually ate until now, although i guess i also did other things... < 1358970398 274536 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are all good < 1358970399 567335 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote `quote < 1358970401 476518 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :320) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one \ 321) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407) `quote django < 1358970436 619263 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358970469 775767 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... `quote `quote isn't quite a quote quine. < 1358970484 476434 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1358970490 500563 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo ech < 1358970490 982304 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ech ech < 1358970492 912601 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo echo < 1358970493 675855 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo echo < 1358970509 684625 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo ^echo < 1358970510 508972 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo ^echo < 1358970518 478083 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @echo @echo < 1358970518 716345 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = "freenode", msgLBName = "lambdabot", msgPrefix = "ion!ion@heh.fi", msgCommand = "PRIVMSG", msgParams = ["#esoteric",":@@ @echo @echo"]} rest:"echo; msg:IrcMessage { < 1358970518 716530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :msgServer = \"freenode\", msgLBName = \"lambdabot\", msgPrefix = \"ion!ion@heh.fi\", msgCommand = \"PRIVMSG\", msgParams = [\"#esoteric\",\":@@ @echo @echo\"]} rest:\"\"" < 1358970531 480662 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1358970540 36941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1358970540 626376 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1358970541 400725 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1358970541 619307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1358970541 619404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1358970541 837806 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :636) * oerjan concludes that unsafeCoerce has no effect on strictness < 1358970541 837914 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :649) if the halting problem was solved, as a placebo.. would it benefit people? < 1358970542 965512 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :394) #%%:]__t�# do you see that that is great progress taking place < 1358970543 184869 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :129) cpressey, oh go to zzo's website. He is NIH AnMaster, really? I was strongly under the impression that zzo was invented here. < 1358970543 185041 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :791) when everyone else was busy going "ewwww, comic sans!" I was reading the text and learned everything < 1358970550 898335 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo echo < 1358970551 735427 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo echo < 1358970559 194824 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wahta did you DO < 1358970559 414139 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @tell Sgeo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo < 1358970559 633357 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Consider it noted. < 1358970566 795492 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1358970567 99509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1358970567 99706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those aren't the same at ALL < 1358970574 603223 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BechoF < 1358970575 653935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1358970585 278314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: r u a magician........ :'''/ < 1358970588 467503 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1358970589 164463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1358970589 494645 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1358970589 562741 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion said 30s ago: echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = "freenode", msgLBName = "lambdabot", msgPrefix = "ion!ion@heh.fi", msgCommand = "PRIVMSG", msgParams = ["#esoteric",":@@ @tell Sgeo @echo @echo @ < 1358970589 562824 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1358970589 562871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo @echo @echo"]} rest:"echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = \"freenode\", msgLBName = \"lambdabot\", msgPrefix = \"ion!ion@heh.fi\", msgCommand = \"PRIVMSG\", msgParams = [\"#esoteric\",\":@@ @tell < 1358970589 562917 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo\"]} rest:\"echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = \\\"freenode\\\", msgLBName = \\\"lambdabot\\\", msgPrefix = \\\"ion!ion@heh.fi\\\", msgCommand = \\\"PRIVMSG\\\", < 1358970589 562962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :msgParams = [\\\"#esoteric\\\",\\\":@@ @tell Sgeo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo\\\"]} rest:\\\"echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = \\\\\\\"freenode\\\\\\\", msgLBName = \\\\\\\"lambdabot\\\\\\\", < 1358970589 563006 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :msgPrefix = \\\\\\\"ion!ion@heh.fi\\\\\\\", msgCommand = \\\\\\\"PRIVMSG\\\\\\\", msgParams = [\\\\\\\"#esoteric\\\\\\\",\\\\\\\":@@ @tell Sgeo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo\\\\\\\"]} rest:\\\\\\\" < 1358970589 713195 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :816) the scene: it is a warm summer's day in scotland, although one obscured by cloud and the fact that it is september < 1358970590 45878 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1358970590 264729 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :314) [on Sgeo's karaoke] That is the thing that made me into a gay vampire. < 1358970590 509927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1358970590 510026 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the f kicks in and the b gets canceled < 1358970591 535340 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[3 @more lines] < 1358970591 754506 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :904) what is this set? sounds like shakespear Yes, that's what people often say about Chrono Trigger. < 1358970591 754719 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :373) oerjan: can you delete that and the meta turing completeness page thanks elliott: IN UNIVERSO ALTERNATIVO, OERJAN PAGINAS DELET < 1358970592 73258 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :736) Just seen this comment on reddit: "Parallel programming has been a solved problem for decades." I might have to stop reading the internet. < 1358970595 292062 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1358970596 759312 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: (i know how it works) < 1358970604 214988 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh...................................:''/ < 1358970606 64320 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :816 is good i haven't seen it before < 1358970656 159314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :816 is indeed good < 1358970849 28588 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does scotland start? I wonder if I've been there < 1358970878 505751 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question < 1358970878 747825 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, just past Berwick < 1358970893 789254 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just before Jedburgh < 1358970899 688983 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just after Carlisle < 1358970910 971785 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on your longitude < 1358971048 66977 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently scotland has a "Devolved government" < 1358971058 157291 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1358971067 532985 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We shot them with a devolution gun < 1358971073 458933 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoping they'd turn into dinosaurs < 1358971077 796083 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because dinosaurs are cool < 1358971128 824062 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out I have no idea where I've been so it ended up a bit hard to figure out if any of those places were past Berwick < 1358971140 818107 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did you go < 1358971145 928745 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you go to Edinburgh < 1358971152 564840 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Glasgow < 1358971157 626071 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Aberdeen < 1358971161 748633 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Inverness < 1358971172 41264 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... Dumfries < 1358971181 660829 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Linlithgow < 1358971187 240455 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Jedburgh < 1358971188 853207 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :amy pond is from inverness < 1358971199 779821 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inverness is scarily North < 1358971257 912875 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :its about one degree south of here actually < 1358971272 632621 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner is scarily North < 1358971280 139932 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scarilier North < 1358971297 617058 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure I'm south of the southernmost part of Norway < 1358971309 182092 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norway is scarliest North < 1358971351 730226 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not counting the norwegian colonies) < 1358971520 980501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may have even been to inverness < 1358971779 985029 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1358971794 310492 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1358971913 552485 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PART :#esoteric < 1358971918 179223 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter JOIN :#esoteric < 1358971928 246772 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen c00kiemon5ter < 1358971931 48497 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-01-23 20:12:08: `seen c00kiemon5ter < 1358971937 984614 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah :( < 1358971953 563472 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen augur < 1358971955 560633 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-01-19 07:40:42: http://decovo.wordpress.com < 1358971982 896999 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly use the raw logs < 1358972016 492678 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what would that change < 1358972056 764210 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tracking for things that dont have in the fancy logs, like joins, quits, and ACTIONs < 1358972058 129544 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Inverness is indeed scarily North; about 12° up from montréal. < 1358972071 971354 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the uk in general is stupidly north < 1358972096 452610 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. make cases for all those??? alt. dont care < 1358972115 348640 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, Hexham is about as North as Calgary < 1358972134 846503 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ehird < 1358972136 55058 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird is the person who Taneb definitely isn't. < 1358972138 546405 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I know that place < 1358972173 531009 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is it worth tracking joins/parts < 1358972177 718976 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like last message beats last part or whatever < 1358972179 683591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actions is a point tho < 1358972254 319623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen Plazma < 1358972257 774276 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :not lately; try `seen Plazma ever < 1358972263 385060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen Plazma ever < 1358972271 997128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should consider PRIVMSG and NOTICE at least, and then perhaps also JOIN, I think may be OK. No use of PART, QUIT, NICK, and so on, I think. < 1358972281 423795 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like for the most part active people here are from far up north in their respective continents (except Fiora who's califoriating). is there at least a single person from the south hemisphere here? < 1358972294 225135 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1358972294 444641 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen itidus* < 1358972295 794280 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a part can be useful if it includes a witty exit message < 1358972296 783048 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :not lately; try `seen itidus* ever < 1358972298 27464 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen itidus20 < 1358972300 200523 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :not lately; try `seen itidus20 ever < 1358972302 372239 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no Australians? < 1358972310 229523 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20 is an Aussie < 1358972318 345381 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, monqy is also from California! < 1358972322 711409 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think most of the australians are busy melting this time of year < 1358972329 172096 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm /legally/ Australian, but I'm mainly British < 1358972330 860393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you add him to Fiora that takes him as far south as you'd ever really need < 1358972361 146607 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is in New Zealand or somewhere ridiculous like that < 1358972361 408672 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hybrid Taneb × Fiora cultivar? < 1358972374 482662 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... I'm not sure what this would be like < 1358972376 698689 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we talking about shipping now < 1358972376 954709 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we should measure distance from the equator instead, to make it fair for the southhemispherians < 1358972377 481612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't we have some NZers < 1358972388 559050 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen mrout < 1358972391 106345 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-01-04 15:29:25: don't beta-reduce me, please. it made me dc < 1358972398 852799 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's a kiwi, I think < 1358972400 603810 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1358972402 662933 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1358972408 430793 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly does hybridizing humans do < 1358972414 72040 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what if they're not the the same sex < 1358972428 245133 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, when two people love each other VERY MUCH < 1358972434 597001 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wish REALLY HARD < 1358972444 285669 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And do some other stuff EQUALLY HARD < 1358972465 396983 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes they end up with a hybridization of themselves < 1358972475 335734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION currently at 42.364540°N
< 1358972475 576012 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that takes 9 months and is all kinds of awful :< < 1358972488 751665 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't there be a better way? like ectobiology? < 1358972514 134213 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SBurb doesn't come out until next year < 1358972531 897363 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Late next year, I believe < 1358972534 206433 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anyway only Taneb and his friends have tickets < 1358972575 990054 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how did that happen again? < 1358972581 577243 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb must carry the torch of esolangs alone into the next universe < 1358972590 882325 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And besides, I count at least 3 of you as friends < 1358972594 793244 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1358972601 771595 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I count at least 2 of you as friends < 1358972620 566499 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no who was unfriended between messages < 1358972620 785265 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net NICK :Taneb|Away < 1358972625 483539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you figure out whether it was satire? < 1358972628 380438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extrapolating from that, it's 0 in just few more minutes. < 1358972635 170024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, didn't look closely enough < 1358972638 193793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I found was a link on the Internet to it. < 1358972662 111890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell the class existed at Stanford, at least. < 1358972754 384251 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self has mirrors! < 1358972758 146323 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is Self dead? < 1358972759 998059 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1358972782 489150 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo finally cracks < 1358972783 692919 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :again < 1358972972 525900 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1358973053 459006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hoping they'd turn into dinosaurs <-- nah humans aren't descended from dinosaurs. although if you hit any stray birds... < 1358973069 184622 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you want more than a machine language? < 1358973113 754765 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Not intended as a serious question. Just saw the von Nemann quote) < 1358973152 536347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What von Nemann quote? < 1358973172 265255 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1358973185 899463 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supposedly he was being shown FORTRAN and said that < 1358973190 530209 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why would you want more than a machine language?" < 1358973201 935673 :Taneb|Away!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1358973209 318624 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back and I hate you all < 1358973211 848133 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One reason is that the machine language does not work on the other computer. < 1358973223 135635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except by emulation, but that would be slow) < 1358973288 174440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or dynamic binary translation, which can run faster than native < 1358973342 439355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would dynamic binary translation work? I thought there might be some cases causing problems, unless it is Restricted Harvard < 1358973351 197918 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, but whoa re youre friends < 1358973383 379528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: qemu works by binary translation, as do vmware and virtualbox (sometimes) < 1358973415 194378 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes = when they're not working. < 1358973432 383339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you mean? < 1358973439 311465 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, apparently chocolate desserts accelerate the process < 1358973444 93668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean is, these programs also support hardware-assisted virtualization these days < 1358973458 636362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, Taneb's lost it too < 1358973470 764438 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: And prefer it in all cases. So they only use binary translation if something is wrong. < 1358973492 528007 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure but it still works < 1358973506 113065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something is wrong such as not having virtualisation :( < 1358973521 865720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenSSL will use RDRAND on Ivy Bridge processors but I wouldn't say that OpenSSL on any other processor is "not working" < 1358973534 415976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that OpenSSL is shit but anyway < 1358973539 704616 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My argument was only with your "sometimes" ;) < 1358973559 706893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't think binary translation can always work in all cases unless you also have something else to keep track of anything that changes and to retranslate. < 1358973573 231139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you have to do that < 1358973581 991609 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, you can do that < 1358973587 111150 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary translation can't work unless you do all the things necessary to make it work < 1358973613 223816 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can keep maps of entry points, watch when something tries to write to the code page, fun things like that < 1358973618 418078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But will it slow down if you do that? < 1358973621 984626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ksplice is easily confused inside virtualbox because virtualbox did a bad job of hiding changing code pages from the guest < 1358973626 992734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but vmware binary translation did a better job < 1358973629 375880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes < 1358973635 666725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not necessarily dramatically < 1358973655 118296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember using VMWare on an Athlon XP in like 2003 and it was reasonably fast < 1358973666 755135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could run Windows inside Linux well enough to play some games < 1358973672 465090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though they didn't have 3D accel passthrough yet < 1358973697 321698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were they the games without the 3D, then? < 1358973697 959910 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary translation can also make code much /faster/ because the binary translator can act as an optimizing JIT < 1358973727 987045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can compile only the hot paths of code, making assumptions that don't hold in general, and then call back to the interpreter when those assumptions are violated < 1358973738 102269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: software 3D < 1358973752 6307 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimizing JITs can be tricky though if the source is on a machine with flags up the wazoo though < 1358973759 601629 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... like x86 <.< < 1358973760 82678 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait virtualization stuff does 3d passthrough now? < 1358973770 584469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I think for a long time < 1358973785 161222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think last time I really played with virtualization was in 2007 or so < 1358973791 989032 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a computer from 2000 < 1358973804 339625 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I never have good computers < 1358973807 829043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone make binary translation into a FPGA code? < 1358973811 272714 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have a computer, it's safe to assume it sucks < 1358973969 615664 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's paravirtualization stuff where it just dedicates a graphics card to the VM, right? < 1358974014 359865 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1358974024 747910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NOTICE #esoteric :
SECRET message test
< 1358974046 440692 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: SECRET message fail? < 1358974073 864862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm glogbot logs notices now, so yes < 1358974105 467264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think glogbot logs everything it receives (maybe with a few exceptions). < 1358974112 524051 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: with an IOMMU I think you can do that without it being paravirtualization < 1358974117 592173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, we must induce exceptions < 1358974125 597302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NOTICE #esoteric :
HELLOERJAN
< 1358974157 828603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't want to log the message you can send message to someone directly who you want to read it only them. < 1358974189 884983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
SABOTEORJAN
< 1358974204 489331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i h8 logs :'( < 1358974214 216075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: don't log < 1358974229 1470 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1358974229 242295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The point is that "freenode philosophy: channel guidelines: -- Be sure to provide a way for users to make comments without logging". < 1358974262 916169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NOTICE #esoteric :am i being glogged < 1358974273 981590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can; you send message to the users you want to receve it. Perhaps you can use multiple PRIVMSG will it work? < 1358974304 508255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a comment on the channel, which is clearly what they mean in the guidelines. < 1358974359 430685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then make up a separate channel for not logged messages. < 1358974408 172090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also not a comment on the channel; that's a comment on some completely other channel. < 1358974430 149820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could as well say "just say the comment out loud in the privacy of your home". < 1358974572 575187 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.138.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358974594 311668 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, what do you think about Klein? < 1358974594 555136 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.selflanguage.org/tag/klein/ < 1358974600 150061 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kleinvm.sourceforge.net/ < 1358974858 364132 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. config works now with this cat: main(a,b)char**b;{if(a>1)while(*++b){if(**b!='-'){open(*b,0);while(read(3,&a,1)>0)write(1,&a,1);close(3);}else while(read(0,&a,1)>0)write(1,&a,1);}else while(read(0,&a,1)>0)write(1,&a,1);return 0;} < 1358974902 351004 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you noticed that code is unreadable < 1358974912 551332 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly yes < 1358974917 645948 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly < 1358974939 115837 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm develping a new cat not based on aiju's tiny unix tools one < 1358974957 954444 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, completely new core/textutils package < 1358974965 243791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't have an opinion on the subject < 1358975089 788321 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be willing to add a nolog trigger to glogbot if people could agree on what that would be. < 1358975120 394070 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i'd rather you didn't. < 1358975127 82169 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather I didn't too ;) < 1358975127 900833 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it'd mean I'd have to care about clog's existence again < 1358975147 82812 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why I made an impossible condition. < 1358975169 159671 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Also didn't we decide those guidelines are actually just guidelines? < 1358975171 828946 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there anything that clog is blind to? < 1358975197 493104 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, seelog sees all < 1358975213 105240 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damne. < 1358975223 157905 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I just like using Esperanto swears) < 1358975363 579571 :itrekkie!c0373729@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.55.55.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358975396 692188 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: esperanto has swears? < 1358975423 742285 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why wouldn't it? < 1358975443 96874 :itrekkie!c0373729@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.55.55.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi all--has anyone done any work with brainfuck? I'm interested in folding the pointer manipulation into a static offset, but figuring out how this works with loops eluding me < 1358975445 826276 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno. I had this image that it was a proper, clean, smart international language. < 1358975450 626808 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: :| < 1358975455 713146 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itrekkie: static offset howso? < 1358975471 743572 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Wikipedia article about it < 1358975472 239643 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esperanto_profanity < 1358975485 986472 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, the creator might have intended it that way, but < 1358975501 565641 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358975502 547574 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome itrekkie < 1358975503 42995 :itrekkie!c0373729@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.55.55.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm translating directly to x86 assembly, so say the stack address is stored in eax then I can just use addressing to add and sub to cells < 1358975504 8289 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itrekkie: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1358975534 452324 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1358975548 361341 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't totally eliminate the pointer for non-balanced loops if that's what you mean < 1358975576 970163 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'll be darned. < 1358975579 621719 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, what would work like interact id but stop when it receives EOF? < 1358975582 357969 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably short < 1358975582 695921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itrekkie: for balanced loops, you can calculate the pointer statically < 1358975591 394401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: interact id < 1358975593 235406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but such loops can be entirely optimized into polynomials < 1358975605 389981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unbalanced loops, you can't optimize it that way (BF would be obviously non-Turing-complete if you could) < 1358975616 991031 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Except it doesn't < 1358975626 611246 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least not in GHCI < 1358975633 205232 :itrekkie!c0373729@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.55.55.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry dumb question, but balanced loop? < 1358975669 671585 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't test with ghci then < 1358975688 990958 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itrekkie: a balanced loop has the same number of < and > inside it, and any nested loops inside it are also balanced loops < 1358975703 375948 :itrekkie!c0373729@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.55.55.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah sure, that makes sense < 1358975707 516480 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a simple transfer-addition like [->+<] can be optimized into offsets < 1358975719 461929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could also be optimized into loc1 += loc0; loc0 = 0; < 1358975742 194570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, when you can optimize into static memory locations, you can also optimize into arithmetic that doesn't involve a loop at all < 1358975756 85455 :itrekkie!c0373729@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.55.55.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for anyone wondering, I'm working from this reader challenge (http://blog.reverberate.org/2013/01/reader-challenge-optimize-bf-jit.html) it's a fun article < 1358975783 272240 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :getContents doesn't do it either < 1358975786 962578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some idioms that have unbalanced loops that can nonetheless be optimized, but after a while you need strong AI to be able to work out how < 1358975788 169548 :itrekkie!c0373729@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.55.55.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, okay that's taking it step even farther than I had planned and folding the loop into a constant? < 1358975802 684964 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :By EOF I mean ^D here < 1358975804 208245 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PART #esoteric :"Poulet!" < 1358975805 601517 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1358975808 547478 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which cat will stop on < 1358975822 495392 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, hmm < 1358975826 107484 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's just the terminal < 1358975835 194979 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me write a test case < 1358975838 740373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: to type EOF in a terminal, you need to type ^D at the start of a line, or ^D twice inside a line < 1358975850 516654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a typical UNIX terminal with a typical UNIX shell, that is < 1358975870 651933 :itrekkie!c0373729@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.55.55.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if there is a simpler more general way to handle unbalanced and balanced loops. It seems to me I can just track the offset and at the end of each loop iteration, commit the new pointer location < 1358975931 646572 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ghci seems to disable that entirely < 1358975946 226985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ghc/i/ < 1358975950 796594 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works if you compile though < 1358975951 910513 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't even given enough info or wahtever and stuff < 1358975953 192249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it'll be setting its own line discipline < 1358975973 920048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's technically a terminal feature, but the shell configures it < 1358975986 447594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're not entering the file in via the shell, it may be configured differently < 1358976078 523711 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1358976101 721273 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358976107 876574 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=do{a<-getArgs;if a==[]then interact(id)else mapM_(\x->if x=="-"then interact(id)else readFile x)a} < 1358976112 288404 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code not tested, probably doesn't work < 1358976134 150569 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1358976227 669548 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :One problem, when you do cat - -, the second - will reopen stdin for further reading, while interact(id) will just fail < 1358976233 297780 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't print the file for one < 1358976247 578052 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh yeah, duh < 1358976262 473882 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=do{a<-getArgs;if a==[]then interact(id)else mapM_(\x->if x=="-"then interact(id)else print.readFile$x)a} < 1358976283 270032 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldM < 1358976284 545552 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => (a -> b -> m a) -> a -> [b] -> m a < 1358976294 276729 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1358976296 7636 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. unix (core|text)utils written in haskell... < 1358976325 149646 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell's the perfect language for passing dumb streams of bytes around, yeah? < 1358976325 544762 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it could be shorter if I didn't use do < 1358976371 978078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't know, BF is quite good at that too < 1358976377 416304 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1358976387 703606 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :main=getArgs>>=\a->if a==[]then interact(id)else mapM_(\x->if x=="-"then interact(id)else print.readFile$x)a < 1358976389 605807 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :posix in bf, perfect < 1358976394 300402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, idea < 1358976394 519438 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly one character shorter < 1358976402 246773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF is good at string handling (relatively speaking) < 1358976404 902966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL is very bad < 1358976420 380036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: allow calling out to BF to do string handling in INTERCAL < 1358976429 762599 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is Intercal's specialty < 1358976447 818025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: in terms of actual usefulness? bit-twiddling and complex control flow < 1358976450 83947 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLC-INTERCAL has commands to add plugins, so you can add such things using that, possibly < 1358976451 328226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite narrow < 1358976465 734931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the language's only official purpose is to be different from other languages < 1358976510 86496 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL's manual has a tonsil < 1358976626 336899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, anyone here an expert on emoticons? < 1358976635 643401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a generic one that doesn't convey a particular emotion? < 1358976640 764584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not neutral, not happy, not sad < 1358976644 581540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have wanted some of INTERCAL's flow control in LLVM, actually. < 1358976645 98128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the fact that an emoticon was used < 1358976657 424996 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No < 1358976666 117232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1358976668 352645 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1358976681 654899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering about :/ < 1358976685 31974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems maybe the closest < 1358976686 291321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: : < 1358976695 625324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like that one < 1358976710 416786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I'll use it in #esoteric < 1358976715 337308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as the `-on-a-line-by-itself < 1358976727 926265 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`-` < 1358976729 144835 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: -`: not found < 1358976730 898705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which I haven't used for ages, but if I did, at least some people would still know what I meant) < 1358976732 860789 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: perhaps you can express it with http://www.w3.org/TR/emotionml/ < 1358976736 132471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although HackEgo wouldn't) < 1358976747 291179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: haha, "10 may 2012"? < 1358976753 87450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting an april 1 date < 1358976767 9038 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1358976767 228300 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1358976767 228533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘Come, there’s no use in crying like that!’ < 1358976767 228645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1358976767 228754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : said Alice to herself rather sharply; < 1358976767 771919 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus christ, this is huge < 1358976769 531227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1358976772 90712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1358976774 396305 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : ‘I advise you to leave off this minute!’ < 1358976777 109617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1358976779 226521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly 0.82 disgusted < 1358976781 873937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1358976784 382488 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1358976787 53007 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1358976787 777306 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, hitachi sells a 4TB hard drive with 3GB of free online backup < 1358976789 541950 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1358976789 761299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Emotion Incubator Group has listed 39 individual use cases for an EmotionML." < 1358976791 826647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1358976794 299648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1358976797 34738 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1358976799 273041 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this not a joke,i'm confused < 1358976799 794419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1358976802 961444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1358976816 44728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it appears to have something to do with XML < 1358976819 259443 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1358976826 453955 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1358976828 384864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dazed and confused, but trying to continue < 1358976829 350090 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this some semantic web thing gone horribly wrong < 1358976849 139627 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Human emotions are increasingly understood to be a crucial aspect in human-machine interactive systems." < 1358976861 773070 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Especially for non-expert end users, reactions to complex intelligent systems resemble social interactions, involving feelings such as frustration, impatience, or helplessness if things go wrong. " yeah ok this is pretty amazing < 1358976867 890516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to use that, then if you want the not emotion even though it is, then write: < 1358976890 553317 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: kmc: they actually wrote a justification: http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/emotion/XGR-emotion/#AppendixUseCases < 1358976900 25860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's a good point < 1358976926 823483 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:30:25 hey, anyone here an expert on emoticons? < 1358976927 70909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Alejandra wants to build an ontology driven architecture that allows animating virtual humans (VH) considering a previous definition of their individuality. This individuality is composed of morphological descriptors, personality and emotional state." < 1358976927 289557 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:30:35 is there a generic one that doesn't convey a particular emotion? < 1358976930 428086 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:30:40 not neutral, not happy, not sad < 1358976930 910051 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably an april fool's that accidentally got stuck in an official process for five weeks and ended up being released as a recommendation < 1358976932 652806 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just eyes < 1358976935 155185 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soulless eyes < 1358976937 979049 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use : < 1358976953 155486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, this is the sort of focus group document that substitutes in random arbitrary names < 1358976957 891118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make the applications seem more human < 1358976965 700884 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is that the same meaning conveyed by "hi"? < 1358976971 261429 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1358976975 683865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I already suggested :!!! < 1358976976 206116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no < 1358976977 602532 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :soulless greeting < 1358976980 456930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hi" has two specific meanings < 1358976986 128466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is a greeting < 1358976992 718764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other is to express disapproval < 1358976996 912430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you can distinguish them from context < 1358977026 372765 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ontology <-- fucking knew it < 1358977214 690295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… so there's a European standard for CVs, nowadays < 1358977225 661215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I use it for my own CV? it'd fit in with the way I normally act, at least < 1358977392 653602 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :standards are for sheeple < 1358977531 184557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is like the crown prince of the sheeple < 1358977555 735856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I follow standards nobody else follows! < 1358977567 190889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, he does < 1358977572 743370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Which ones? < 1358977574 90010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it defeats most of the purpose of standards, but allows me to feel smugly superior < 1358977577 587046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that posix tar thing < 1358977579 757095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: POSIX standard for tarballs < 1358977627 601714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite the name, Internet Quiz Engine is the only one that is also possible to run locally (without internet). < 1358977641 790073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the case, other people doesn't use those standard? < 1358977645 613734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it does. < 1358977670 90749 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure GNU tar's output is PAX-compatible anymore at least. < 1358977698 232674 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(helps the format is *essentially* just old POSIX tar) < 1358977755 970736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make up formats that nobody else uses. < 1358978000 466644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote most things i hear about 'startup culture' set off the poe's law detector < 1358978003 876064 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :931) most things i hear about 'startup culture' set off the poe's law detector < 1358978020 272830 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a poe's law detector? < 1358978035 408965 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a detector to see if something is genuine or satire. < 1358978138 438441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: one of my friends in another channel has that problem at the moment < 1358978146 4687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's been offered a job in a startup-like company < 1358978163 366152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its apparent business plan is so bad he can't believe it's real and thinks the company's hiding something < 1358978165 786149 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dogbarkz.com/ < 1358978172 555513 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... oh god it's triggering poe's law < 1358978174 487650 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's real < 1358978192 456826 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going for "real" < 1358978200 353799 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... I found launch articles ......... < 1358978204 448946 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1358978206 617412 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not real < 1358978211 266766 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going for "satire" < 1358978223 686709 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1358978230 453211 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly "spam" < 1358978237 701454 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice they spell it "barkz" < 1358978290 233579 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's their alleged plan? < 1358978311 197586 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sell to google"? < 1358978317 341924 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it's even better than that < 1358978328 119090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it apparently involves doing something that reduces the bandwidth load on Google's servers, without telling Google < 1358978331 103624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then threatening to turn it off < 1358978335 72907 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1358978338 529456 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1358978341 504278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hoping to be paid to leave it on < 1358978360 445443 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... < 1358978360 701121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: are your brain cells still intact? < 1358978363 120375 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's amazing < 1358978364 40058 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, like, if that actually worked, they could probably sell it to them < 1358978368 304604 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not by being so um. blackmaily < 1358978386 493142 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you say "here google, we patented a way to make your bandwidth 10% lower, want to buy us?" < 1358978393 990168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that makes a lot more sense < 1358978399 223173 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "nyahahaha here is our plan for world domination! pay us 100 billlliliooooon dollars!" < 1358978403 255692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if they have a working demonstration already < 1358978407 384238 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'all lack the dynamicism required in a startup < 1358978414 765176 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*finger on mouth* < 1358978430 615542 :itrekkie!c0373729@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.55.55.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the data point in brainfuck isn't reset at the end of a loop, right? < 1358978440 445689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itrekkie: no < 1358978443 380302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't be TC if it were < 1358978453 223104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you could never move further from the origin than the total number of > commands in your program < 1358978463 613314 :itrekkie!c0373729@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.55.55.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, that makes sense < 1358978464 96107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you use bignum tape cells) < 1358978466 794236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh unless they are somehow reducing the load dramatically, i think google would rather just buy more servers < 1358978474 575368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :than rely on some ridiculous third party < 1358978482 718322 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, google buying them < 1358978484 798952 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than thir product < 1358978485 955477 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*their < 1358978491 35855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even that seems unlikely < 1358978493 811641 :itrekkie!c0373729@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.55.55.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then all I should need to do is commit a change to the data pointer at the end of the loop? < 1358978498 808389 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't they do that kind of thing all the time? < 1358978505 708076 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, like, google gobbles startups every tuesday < 1358978634 463089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1358978644 299909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on how easily they can replicate your technology themselves < 1358978663 450512 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I guess if they have a patent and if google wants their employees or not? < 1358978772 12449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1358978799 213751 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Primer is basically call/cc: the movie < 1358978818 592403 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kind of curious about what method they could possibly have, like,google already does stuff with SPDY < 1358978932 277933 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1358978942 863179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this one of those startups with a "brilliant, disruptive idea" that just needs a few "code ninjas" to make it happen < 1358978962 420868 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1358978979 953460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude a social network for pets is a great idea < 1358978982 405587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had this idea a long time ago < 1358978987 621909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a social network for household appliances < 1358978997 405938 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it's one thing to have a washing machine that tweets at you when your laundry is done < 1358979006 756265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but another to have a washing machine that posts to its own wall and can become friends with the toaster < 1358979011 806973 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :..... XD < 1358979021 622279 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh now I'm remembering the Brave Little Toaster < 1358979030 271811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Toaster and Bathtub are now: It's Complicated" < 1358979041 502138 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQGtucrJ8hM kmc < 1358979047 462440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :electrocution. < 1358979056 66378 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: goodnight < 1358979064 972006 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1358979065 965054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/my-computer-totally-hates-me-vs-god-do-i-hate-that,11538/ < 1358979287 486937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today @CompSciFact is more like @SteveYeggeQuotes < 1358979292 934505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of disappointed w/ this account < 1358979400 202127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should start a Twitter account that reviews other Twitter accounts. < 1358979494 69361 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you add a quote to the thing < 1358979496 828448 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because kmc that was perfect < 1358979500 170070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :VRC6 square wave can go one more octave lower than 2A03 square wave. < 1358979530 860197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: `addquote insert quote here < 1358979547 128729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :replace newlines with two spaces < 1358979547 385559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? qdbrules < 1358979548 416248 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :qdbrules? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1358979554 839253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? qdb < 1358979556 338515 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :qdb is used like: `quote; `quote regexp; `quote id; `addquote ...; `delquote id; `pastequotes regexp; `pastenquotes [n]; see also qdbformat < 1358979560 117943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? qdbformat < 1358979561 326978 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :qdbformat is: message; * nick action; two spaces between messages; all elisions marked with [...] other than irrelevant intervening messages; for messages separated by elision, one space on each side, not two < 1358979582 675400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i say? < 1358979584 820283 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote a social network for household appliances like, it's one thing to have a washing machine that tweets at you when your laundry is done but another to have a washing machine that posts to its own wall and can become friends with the toaster "Toaster and Bathtub are now: It's Complicated" < 1358979588 176743 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :932) a social network for household appliances like, it's one thing to have a washing machine that tweets at you when your laundry is done but another to have a washing machine that posts to its own wall and can become friends with the toaster "Toaster and Bathtub are now: It's Complicated" < 1358979593 2078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad you liked it :) < 1358979610 686248 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spanish language radio station next to my office is playing the same 15 second song clip over and over and over < 1358979615 711825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe their software crashed < 1358979620 682606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they only have the free preview on itunes < 1358979624 160042 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, our learndb is starting to be /useful/? < 1358979625 787366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brainfuck < 1358979627 285004 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs." < 1358979633 698837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't believe Fiora violated the qdbformat. < 1358979647 421714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what's with the reverse rabbit at the end? < 1358979660 932307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :🐇 < 1358979738 200001 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what did I do wrong < 1358979749 77297 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 932 < 1358979753 245144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you omitted one space before < 1358979753 465428 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* a social network for household appliances like, it's one thing to have a washing machine that tweets at you when your laundry is done but another to have a washing machine that posts to its own wall and can become friends with the toaster "Toaster and Bathtub are now: It's Complicated" < 1358979768 536480 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote a social network for household appliances like, it's one thing to have a washing machine that tweets at you when your laundry is done but another to have a washing machine that posts to its own wall and can become friends with the toaster "Toaster and Bathtub are now: It's Complicated" < 1358979771 783219 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :932) a social network for household appliances like, it's one thing to have a washing machine that tweets at you when your laundry is done but another to have a washing machine that posts to its own wall and can become friends with the toaster "Toaster and Bathtub are now: It's Complicated" < 1358979773 791564 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed >_< < 1358979789 847278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, you can stay. < 1358979813 552314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't like the qdbformat, by the way.
< 1358979819 83897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But rules are rules. Right, elliott? < 1358979832 479667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote quintopia.*both < 1358979833 695811 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :308) i know it's unusual, but i agree with you both to some extent < 1358979837 947241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you use RogueVM? If not, is it because there is not the assembler format yet? < 1358979840 154321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just look at that. Three spaces? < 1358979841 360895 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the qdbformat even a thing < 1358979858 363309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: because elliott < 1358979862 582166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote why is the qdbformat even a thing < 1358979865 883100 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :933) why is the qdbformat even a thing < 1358979870 479659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: One space for before message, one space is the message, two space after a message, I think. < 1358979873 273492 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thachaf < 1358979874 2138 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: thachaf: not found < 1358979903 606241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I can't take it. < 1358979907 118814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 933 < 1358979911 289358 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* why is the qdbformat even a thing < 1358979918 814432 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are weak < 1358980001 562301 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1358980025 589174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is the IRC channel in Freenode for roguelike game? Maybe they should learn RogueVM, maybe they know better also to make the suggestion and whatever else. < 1358980038 540253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/"$//' wisdom/brainfuck < 1358980041 752632 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1358980043 764265 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's #nethack < 1358980047 455686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? brainfuck < 1358980048 722729 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is the integral of the family of terrible esolangs. < 1358980060 846412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yeah i know it would have been simpler to use `learn) < 1358980063 321780 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1358980113 779184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if standard Nethack uses features which are not compatible with RogueVM? I know ADOM does have a few. < 1358980115 214857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just look at that. Three spaces? <-- perhaps they both made a message with a single space. < 1358980126 917960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, they made a message with no spaces. < 1358980128 930628 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what RogueVM is. < 1358980134 484485 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1358980139 310346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, can you do that in IRC? < 1358980140 795693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Empty message result in 412 error, you cannot message with nothing. < 1358980145 850163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe those quotes are WRONG! < 1358980150 721040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try it if you don't believe me. < 1358980163 43874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs both.*extend < 1358980165 214171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1358980166 179757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs both.*extent < 1358980176 57189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have _seen_ messages with no space, so... < 1358980193 837168 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1358980197 672823 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1358980201 638723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo.............. < 1358980207 747393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1358980208 229521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://zzo38comptuer.org/roguevm/roguevm.dvi (and roguevm.tex for source file) < 1358980225 485587 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :404 here < 1358980227 455348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or maybe it's just putty that doesn't distinguish them < 1358980240 588132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/comptuer/computer/ ? < 1358980246 245988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes < 1358980255 342894 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yep that did it. < 1358980258 604069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/roguevm/roguevm.dvi < 1358980294 504681 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 bits, huh < 1358980301 101866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you get a 404? < 1358980315 811226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have one of those fancy DNS servers that gives you advertisements when it can't resolve a name? < 1358980334 506705 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I say yes will I be able to use "404" in a more casual manner in the future and be understood < 1358980353 102321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's pretty confusing to do so < 1358980377 258922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1358980378 229892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have one of those, it cause problem what you should do is find the IP address it uses, and write the DNS driver to have an option to detect that and cause it to return nothing instead. < 1358980442 406210 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fine < 1358980444 662514 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jerks :( < 1358980551 301395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, maybe I should add such an option in the network setting menu when I make up that computer. < 1358980565 798666 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of this seems kind of weird. like why are tile names 28 octets but also null terminated. < 1358980604 368453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However such an option should also be available in Linux, maybe. < 1358980646 631375 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, I suppose it could be terminated after 28 octets automatically too, but I wanted to make it null terminated so that a C prorgam that loads it does not have to add its own null terminator in that case. < 1358980676 665809 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean, why specify 28 octets if it can just be null terminated anyway. < 1358980725 352173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which page are you refering to? < 1358980787 945096 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4, i guess. < 1358980808 791557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason is so that the records have a fixed size. < 1358980878 533058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was obvious. Isn't it? < 1358980892 987563 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess i'm not paying enough attention < 1358981344 35225 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tangent: the occasional truthiness of false is a case study in the pitfalls of language design. It stems from the interaction of two bad decisions. First, we have the implicit coercion of any type to a boolean - a nasty C legacy. Then we have primitive types, which leads to (non-transparent) autoboxing. Since any object is truthy, and autoboxing false creates an object, you can end up with an automatic, hidden conversion that interprets fals < 1358981344 292868 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e as true." < 1358981351 621476 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When does Javascript decide that false is truthy? < 1358981516 976533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the features of ADOM that are not supported in RogueVM includes, holding down the space-bar to win money at the slot machine, and the area where you cannot enter unless you have already played this game a few times, and the default names. < 1358981528 352750 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I think when you write something like (new Boolean(False)) < 1358981664 73738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Is there anything else you find wrong in the RogueVM or right or whatever question, or if something is unclear I should make it more clearly? < 1358981716 270320 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really that interested to look it over closely, but given i didn't realize something as obvious as the thing i don't know that i can be of any hlep < 1358981771 660621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should add a ICO directory which is optional and can contain graphics. < 1358981802 427111 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i was wondering about that. since you said that interpreters can provide graphics if they want, but apparently there's no way to specify such, they just have to guess from the ASCII? < 1358981873 249149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just guessing from the ASCII is a dumb way; I was thinking, they might be in a separate file, but I think it makes sense to provide default graphics in a ICO directory for that purpose, now. < 1358981900 892168 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1358982020 229548 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION still doesn't understand gBeta
< 1358982026 920208 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try to understand Beta first < 1358982028 870794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now I am not exactly sure what formats to use for the graphics. The low sixteen bits of the file number could be used for the tile number and the high sixteen bits to indicate the format, I guess. Other than that I am not exactly sure but maybe you or someone have suggestion < 1358982198 777223 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1358982364 383209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What graphics formats should I specify? < 1358982402 249526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: probably PNG is the best option for that sort of thing nowadays < 1358982410 525312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's widely supported and has the right features < 1358982437 163775 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PNM might be more zzo38 though. < 1358982480 469783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it does, but that isn't quite what I meant. I intended that format data (including icon size, color depth, etc) might be stored using the file number, so that the program can select the one it wants. < 1358982531 116437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PNG is good if you are having the icons separately, but when combining it into something like this it doesn't quite seem properly. < 1358982561 38884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe it is, if you know how it ought to fit with the other things it does too. < 1358982581 597780 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amusingly, you can place arbitrary data in a PNG. < 1358982609 727609 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that < 1358982667 930328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PNG has lots of places to steganographically hide data, too < 1358982701 321919 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition to the pixel data? < 1358982705 495970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1358982770 377655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PNG file contains a sequence of chunks of various types < 1358982816 90080 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Additionally, most all PNG viewers will ignore data at the end of the file. < 1358982830 380966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pixel data itself is a zlib data stream split across one or more IDAT chunks < 1358982843 837233 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the boundaries of the IDAT chunks are completely arbitrary, they can come anywhere in the zlib stream < 1358982856 571036 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conveniently, ZIP readers are *required* to ignore random data at the beginning of the file. < 1358982862 915811 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, are there other chunks than the pixel data to whom you can add your content without making them invalid or obviously suspicious? < 1358982872 6004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, it is used to make self-extracting files, I think. < 1358982879 48801 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is in part so you can append to a ZIP file by just writing new things to the end) < 1358982885 28686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also DEFLATE itself gives plenty of freedom to encode the same data different ways < 1358982894 91648 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Yes. < 1358982900 41316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: you can add unknown chunk types, that most programs will ignore < 1358982912 89356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chunk type code itself encodes "is it safe to ignore this chunk" < 1358982914 627648 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The spec also has a comment chunk type. < 1358982928 127799 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown chunks type is something i’d look at when looking for steganographics. :-P < 1358982930 56949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and arbitrary text strings < 1358982948 880200 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could probably also do stego in the filtering. < 1358982967 458737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and UTF-8 text strings... plenty of ways to hide data in Unicode as well :) < 1358982971 859594 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In PNG, each raster line of the picture has one of 5 filters applied before it gets sent into DEFLATE. < 1358982977 651406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that would be a good way < 1358983524 937163 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1358983672 226671 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1358983750 975102 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1358983751 216676 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think PNG is the right one for this use, if I want that the program may want to select which icon size, color depth, etc, they want to use, by selecting which file is wanted. (If you think this is bad idea you can say why) < 1358983824 754077 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :RogueVM does support to have extra chunks though, by making files ETC/800????? which are files that a program which doesn't understand, can ignore it. < 1358983851 309454 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh woah Eliot Miranda isa ctively involved with Newspeak < 1358983852 555224 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actively < 1358984571 706173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that part is a bit like PNG. < 1358984681 955532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currenly there are none of ETC/800????? assigned, although if there are some you think should have, I could add it on. < 1358984983 322882 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1358985014 576275 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1358985019 254964 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/search?q=path%3A.ssh%2Fid_rsa < 1358985105 655762 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1358985182 111946 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you google < 1358985202 30981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: o_O < 1358985203 273471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/search?q=BEGIN+RSA+PRIVATE+KEY&type=Code&ref=searchresults < 1358985207 451066 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I search for +"get lost", don't insist on showing me a result that has just lost, and no mention of the word get anywhere < 1358985254 682169 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nice < 1358985269 775837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thoug, most of these are empty? < 1358985287 157978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number of pages indication is a lie btw < 1358985297 966944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it showed 99 but then ran out when i got to page 3 < 1358985315 121756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i gotta learn how to use AES-NI < 1358985350 549799 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are all certificate keys < 1358985461 810302 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358985495 467871 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1358985532 195425 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://google.com/search?q=inurl:.ssh/id_rsa < 1358985551 18571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me, http://www.shodanhq.com/