< 1358726875 11485 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How worried should I be that it's easy to crash Smalltalk VMs from within themselves? < 1358726946 715571 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very Concerned < 1358726961 178118 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write a strongly worded letter < 1358726973 597556 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that sounds better than SCADA < 1358726989 42799 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually crashed Pharo by accident < 1358727000 770003 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops!!! < 1358727005 992531 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that it could be done by accident is far more alarming than being able to crash it on purpose < 1358727017 189061 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess what I did was dumb < 1358727033 276880 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave the debugger thing the go-ahead to add a new instance variable to Dictionary < 1358727148 495564 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what was that north korean link you gave yesterday? < 1358727166 1764 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: https://sites.google.com/site/sophieinnorthkorea/ < 1358727167 436038 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kmc btw < 1358727168 7782 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find it in my history now for some reason < 1358727169 379359 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks! < 1358727172 952863 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :(kmc) < 1358727173 174940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm not actually kmc btw) < 1358727194 625919 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keegan McElliott < 1358727614 251997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc gave that link? < 1358727617 567209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought copumpkin did. < 1358728518 20083 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1358728518 908762 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mspaintadventures.com/scraps2/sbahj_pressrelease.jpg < 1358728519 995488 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo alot < 1358728704 684849 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ^ I'm sure you consider this to be the best thing ever < 1358728741 303229 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can confirm that elliott considers this. < 1358728809 49508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::∗) < 1358728848 329253 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o) < 1358728857 787781 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :honk < 1358728888 221618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::ⓞ) < 1358728911 784709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::Ⓞ) < 1358728914 240831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1358728927 527003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O) < 1358728970 42840 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the Opera symbol? < 1358728988 3748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opera < 1358729017 986703 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the font my IRC client uses, it's like an O with the right and left thick, Opera-like < 1358729025 70067 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: < 1358729032 345417 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Sunday_Afternoon_on_the_Island_of_La_Grande_Jatte http://www.topatoco.com/graphics/00000001/mspa-sbahj-hardcover-pic4.jpg < 1358729035 194359 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : .... is this actulaly a parody of that? < 1358729037 774110 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : yep < 1358729040 221449 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder if there's some grand sweeping point that can be made about looking at pointilist artwork through a computer that uses pixels < 1358729086 639396 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why is the second one not pointilist. < 1358729151 830489 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, it's sbahj, come up with any one of 5000 excuses? < 1358729169 764609 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why five thousand < 1358729174 548312 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :random big number < 1358729193 877134 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these things have significance. < 1358729202 821720 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aE1JOPS1Uko#! < 1358729222 514185 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may as well tell Origen that 666 is random and big!!! < 1358729283 861142 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358729284 41593 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-138.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1358729338 21560 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358730891 710422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1358731237 407411 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1358731685 638931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358732234 439240 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One of the great leaps in OO is to be able to answer the question "How does this work?" with "I don't care"" < 1358732238 429218 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1358732252 70022 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, maybe if you're leaping to OO from Assembly... < 1358732272 100730 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds more like abstraction than anything related to OO < 1358732279 994731 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, not ... caring is icky. Not needing to know in order to do some task is really the principle < 1358732282 533724 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you seriously reading pro-OO things? that's, like, so 90s, man. < 1358732301 973358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Shh, this is Sgeo's channel. < 1358732303 708687 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, yes, 100% agree < 1358732328 551603 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I don't think it's meant as advocacy < 1358732334 271162 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in Pharo by Example < 1358732358 354130 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And says about how newcomers to Smalltalk seem to want to know how every little detail works before doing something like Transcript show: 'Hello world' < 1358732362 533409 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358732391 892497 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in Haskell where people only want to know what monads are < 1358732496 926733 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. maybe that's just the smalltalk burrito < 1358732525 782754 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course, something something something lenses < 1358732582 577334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's because in Smalltalk, something like I/O doesn't fit into the language's view of things very well at all < 1358732593 153791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Smalltalk, as in Feather, in order to do I/O, you must first create the universe < 1358732664 963380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it seems quite capable of I/O... GUI is a form of I/O < 1358732676 521238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah exactly < 1358732682 890397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does the GUI come from? < 1358732697 523765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's written in Smalltalk, clearly < 1358732703 906983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how does the GUI do its I/O? < 1358732712 431058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think about the issue for too long, you end up inventing Feather < 1358732720 416177 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultimately it comes down to VM primitives I guess < 1358732732 416349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1358732739 295870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the sort of thing that confuses and upsets an ais523 < 1358732743 424521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't really fit with the rest of the language < 1358732746 744688 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you just have a "system" object that you can send messages to < 1358732765 620730 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the point is you don't have to care about the actual implementation of any object, yeah? < 1358732789 737499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: but it has to come from somewhere, and if you have a decent debugger, you can find out < 1358732796 88381 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classes in Smalltalk aren't actually black boxes. < 1358732799 777424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Smalltalk cares about its decent debuggers and everything < 1358732806 561503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah proponents of OOP like to take credit for the idea of abstract data types or abstraction in general < 1358732809 258357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk's as least as monkeypatchable as Ruby < 1358732810 430666 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess you could make a fake class that fakes out the browser < 1358732825 852380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: or just do "true become: false" or something silly like that < 1358732832 187547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least Squeak freezes if you do that) < 1358732835 760968 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i haven't used smalltalk, but i thought the big idea was basically encapsulation, from Kay's talks < 1358732847 500773 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making a fake class shouldn't freeze anything, though? < 1358732857 591919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that wasn't my point < 1358732863 694428 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1358732869 775970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just preëmptively assume that the actual point was incoherent < 1358732882 54976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because we're talking about me and Smalltalk < 1358732892 183668 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais is this a dialetheism thing < 1358732900 972382 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a truther < 1358732901 862137 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. A programming language called Default. < 1358732914 382771 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yes, but classes have messages that when you send them, reveal stuff like the instance variables they define and the methods they define < 1358732918 562923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no, it's because annoyance at Smalltalk is what caused me to end up inventing Feather < 1358732919 943540 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every language component has some default behavior, but you can cause interesting stuff to happen by overriding this default behavior. < 1358732932 415996 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wow this is like the second time in my life I've sen the word dialetheism < 1358732936 831204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can define Feather as "Smalltalk done right" if you want to confuse people into wondering why that would involve time travel stuff and all that < 1358732952 193660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Java? < 1358732954 177944 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: couldn't you have "system" say it has no instance variables and then tell the truth about methods... < 1358732958 646726 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's a good word imo < 1358732964 499748 :tswett!~tswett@23.23.86.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm. < 1358732970 952366 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, what are you suggesting is the truth? < 1358732994 707573 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that it has methods for interacting with the underlying system (if there is one), like print to terminal or xlib or whatever < 1358733006 603195 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Squeak/Pharo at least a method can say it's implemented by a VM primitive by containing < 1358733008 226963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess to make it an esolang, the only sensible esolangisation is "the only way to accomplish anything is by redefining the default behaviour of everything" < 1358733018 690208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that still doesn't lead to an obvious language < 1358733029 854394 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the end of the metacircular braid, as it were < 1358733030 743487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is ill-defined and potentially far-reaching enough that probably only cpressey could create it < 1358733033 993154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he's probably busy < 1358733045 807413 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to hear more about Smalltalk and how Feather fixes it < 1358733055 460619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that'd mean talking about Feather < 1358733063 613534 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do smalltalk methods even respond to? < 1358733071 978693 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, hm? < 1358733080 60542 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said "a method can say" < 1358733089 779953 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, bad phrasing on my part < 1358733090 4836 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm wondering what information there is about methods, if any < 1358733094 420974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: their caller, I think < 1358733107 389843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a call stack, just like functions in other languages < 1358733107 647400 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, the source of a method would cotain < 1358733109 687417 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really i thought objects just took arbitrary messages, there don't even have to be "methods"? < 1358733112 955398 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can Ruby all this shit < 1358733126 344773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: anyway, the problem with Smalltalk is that you have to have a heavyweight OS-like thing to get anywhere with it < 1358733144 844081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of all the everything defined in terms of everything else and needing a really expansive environment to do things < 1358733161 666746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like having class objects for regular objects, and ability to method browse, and so on < 1358733171 229259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the result of /that/, is that Smalltalk programs aren't portable < 1358733173 290524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :following me so far? < 1358733189 784379 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portable from heavyweight Smalltalk OS to heavyweight Smalltalk OS? < 1358733197 922100 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how they're not portable, I mean < 1358733199 372551 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1358733208 584903 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't say i understood why every class object had its own metaclass object < 1358733209 967677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah < 1358733221 853339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, the common way to distribute a Smalltalk program is just to bundle the entire VM image < 1358733228 439008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can't do it any other way < 1358733333 874094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, to solve this problem, you need to do two things: a) allow the language to be entirely written in itself, going back forever (solves the portability problem), and b) allow the VM state to be recreated from scratch by running a sequence of instructions (basically, libraries, followed by the program) < 1358733361 545268 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh this is a good time to ask that thing i asked before. are there any systems for code interoperability that work well (or at least tolerably) besides ELF with SOs and p.e. DLLs? < 1358733375 622243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think a) is solvable, while remaining computable, but you can fake it using retroactive changes < 1358733389 48000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main reason behind retroactive changes, though, was to get around the need to have separate classes and objects < 1358733400 457215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Smalltalk, you can alter a class in order to change all objects spawned from it < 1358733426 218885 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self has no distinct classes, so...? < 1358733437 286184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Feather, you create objects by cloning+modification, and if you retroactively change the parent object, that changes all its decendants, so it comes to the same thing < 1358733447 992508 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Java and class files? < 1358733465 874110 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I guess I should say, JVM and class files < 1358733466 53931 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe. i don't know much about that < 1358733472 675033 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you can compile almost anything to JVM bytecode < 1358733474 707327 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sort of wondering if there's any theory or anything < 1358733494 117574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, I should put this monologue on the wiki < 1358733504 631095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good way to explain that a) Feather is real, and b) give a glimpse of the consequences < 1358733521 95397 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i usually code in CL and it's largely the same situation as ais was complaining about (besides distributing source) < 1358733538 844004 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing .NET CLR is similar < 1358733548 626330 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why do you have a "thing" about talking about feather anyway, it seems a lot more interesting than "lol, time travel" < 1358733557 652064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it is < 1358733561 807120 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Someone in another channel is talking about fixing Smalltalk with time travel. < 1358733562 33838 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : in fact, VPRI is already working on that google: VPRI worlds < 1358733563 203855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my problem's that it drives me mad < 1358733565 306491 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wikipedia Common Language Infrastructure < 1358733565 664619 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1358733570 620649 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, there isn't a wiki one :< < 1358733572 454420 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what CLI is < 1358733574 803058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it feels like it /should/ work < 1358733580 394134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just I can't make it do so < 1358733588 119764 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isn't that common for ideas < 1358733641 831429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: not really, I haven't come across anything quite this bad < 1358733648 30376 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks < 1358733649 886176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my record for things like that is around 2-3 weeks, and that was part of my job < 1358733652 743663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feather, it was months at least < 1358733670 120882 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i guess i was wondering about questions like, how do you distribute a module as an object when you have to worry about garbage collection? can you just link something libc-ish? stuff like that < 1358733690 868555 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the runtime's job? < 1358733705 415734 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what is "the runtime" < 1358733715 28400 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :libc? < 1358733738 379864 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C doesn't really have one? < 1358733739 902624 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, java does < 1358733757 473411 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358733765 754924 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the sort of question i'm wondering about i guess < 1358733772 120490 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not sure you can say "C has one" or "Java has one" even < 1358733779 236825 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the runtime system is more like the OS as a whole in C's case < 1358733784 635688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether C "has a runtime" depends on what you compile it to. < 1358733795 136871 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1358733831 337619 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could say the same for java-the-language, probably < 1358733838 902242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely. < 1358733839 85678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"'C' is a recursive acronym. It stands for 'C'." < 1358733842 922954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah, gcj exists < 1358733850 204238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, it mostly exists to be a counterexample < 1358733851 794830 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's java to native? < 1358733861 131950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't mean it doesn't have a runtime. < 1358733872 730331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC certainly does. < 1358733877 96690 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does? < 1358733878 724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes < 1358733891 35147 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about GHC, I know it compiles to .o's though? < 1358733891 702260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes gcj is java to native < 1358733913 870531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally I disambiguate with the nickping, but it doesn't work in this context < 1358733928 477442 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understood anyway < 1358733949 961306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: GHC typically compiles Haskell to x86 machine code in .o files, yes. < 1358733958 231294 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's the runtime? < 1358733965 210308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are then linked to the GHC RTS, which is a 50,000 line C and C-- library. < 1358733966 542698 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1358733973 795974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does garbage collection and such. < 1358733978 209468 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1358733978 389706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's a lot of "such".) < 1358733987 948847 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, so like libc so then libhaskell, i suppose < 1358733998 747876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders about the existence of job posts requiring "C/C-- experience" < 1358734004 798844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of. < 1358734018 372878 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please, elaborate on "sort of", don't let me continue in delusion < 1358734036 743413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think maybe these are meaningless discussions now. < 1358734049 676308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No GHC-generated code will function without the runtime. < 1358734077 818070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas C code can function without libc < 1358734082 755760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like libgcc, I guess < 1358734090 201995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or crt0 < 1358734102 192706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just a lot larger than either of those, which are intentionally small for obvious reasons) < 1358734136 517403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would probably say that GCC C has an RTS too, though it does less than GHC's RTS. < 1358734143 783347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(libgcc is used to implement language features that the target doesn't have, such as multiplication on platforms where multiplication doesn't exist; crt0 is used to set up the runtime) < 1358734143 963726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it's a bit of a meaningless discussion. < 1358734160 404049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally, when you do printf or the like, you're calling out to libc < 1358734160 584535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, a primitive-looking thing like + in GCC can compile to a function call into crt0.a < 1358734164 12893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in theory, you could write your own < 1358734169 474344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes ais523 just said that < 1358734182 326971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: libgcc's been split from crt0 at least since I worked on gcc-bf < 1358734193 684488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"runtime library" is different from "virtual machine" although it might be hard to draw a perfectly sharp line as well < 1358734195 179533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How did your libc-free network server go? < 1358734198 685287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it works < 1358734206 702653 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, osdev as a twenty-line crt0 implementation < 1358734210 552599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember it had some big secret associated with it or something. < 1358734216 69885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1358734221 734599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1358734222 626753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things I discovered doing that: libgcc does not like being called recursively in order to emulate a 64-bit multiply in terms of 32-bit multiplies in terms of 16-bit multiplies in terms of 8-bit multiplies < 1358734222 848156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1358734249 591479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things I discovered doing that: yes, you /can/ run a Perl script halfway through compiling gcc in order to alter its generated Makefiles < 1358734250 998317 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh. < 1358734276 780217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the state of a GHC-compiled program can be understood as a state of a virtual machine (STG machine) but the code running is ahead-of-time native-compiled code < 1358734295 315573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the operations on that virtual machine are implemented as inline compiled code, others are calls into the runtime library < 1358734329 195092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what "spineless" means, by the way? < 1358734331 688902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I asked that before. < 1358734333 627736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not precisely < 1358734334 605498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc-bf's build system is amazing, in the elliott sense of amazing < 1358734354 356564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is a better example of a typically native-compiled language with typically a big runtime library < 1358734368 356201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Objective C, maybe. < 1358734374 822600 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/docs/papers/2013/n3514.pdf hasthe best title < 1358734377 854159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objective C is kind of bizarre. < 1358734387 825332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember that 'new' is a keyword in C++; whatever allocator that invokes has a more special status than the ordinary library function malloc() < 1358734404 644705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's a bad example because ::operator new is an ordinary function, albeit a strangly named one < 1358734439 324695 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358734442 218589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, is it theoretically possible to implement malloc in terms of new? < 1358734458 588605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is that it'll come down to a technicality either way < 1358734476 201601 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey all someone was talking about implementing time travel in smalltalk? < 1358734481 188391 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :saijanai_, there are logs, that would probably be better than asking ais523 to repeat his monologue < 1358734490 154538 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. that's why. < 1358734493 942250 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not an implementation in Smalltalk, it would be a different language. < 1358734495 796970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, oh dear < 1358734506 293490 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry ais. < 1358734526 151170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :saijanai_: it's probably for the best to avoid the subject < 1358734540 679874 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My fault < 1358734543 202357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was working on something that vaguely resembled that but not really a while ago < 1358734549 297653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have since mostly abandoned it < 1358734578 711234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I added an explanation to http://esolangs.org/wiki/Feather in order to have something to link people to < 1358734583 720432 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ais523 have you ever heard of VPRI and worlds? < 1358734587 971271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1358734602 512824 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vpri.org/pdf/tr2011001_final_worlds.pdf < 1358734629 520976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably wouldn't be particularly appropriate to what I'm doing < 1358734655 821880 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was first created to allow Ometa to do some really powerful lookahead parsing, and then reconcevied a universal kind of undo with extras < 1358734673 465975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't seem quite as far-reaching as what I was doing < 1358734676 927997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it seems a lot saner < 1358734700 785693 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A programming language that supports worlds must provide some way for program- mers to: < 1358734701 10789 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :– refer to the current world, – sprout a new world from an existing world, – commit a world’s changes to its parent world, and – execute code in a particular world. < 1358734717 594395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it actually seems like more or less the opposite of what I'm doing < 1358734727 571732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hard problem is to be able to make a change to the parent and cause that to change what happened in the children < 1358734749 619322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a problem that's already been solved (continuations), so it wouldn't seem like this would be so difficult < 1358734750 770255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out, it is < 1358734760 759126 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's inherent in the committing changes to the parent < 1358734792 722504 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't want children to change, you'd need to clone the parent and change that instead, if I understand things < 1358734838 27573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you really understand the problem; but that's good, because not only does /nobody/ really understand the problem, it's also not a particularly fruitful one to work on < 1358734846 540964 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358734855 127539 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to #esoteric? < 1358734863 113388 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome saijanai_ < 1358734865 212683 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :saijanai_: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1358734893 694606 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the international hub for clojure and esoteric programming language design and deployment! < 1358734926 367019 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clojure/factor/racket/smalltalk(?????????????????????) < 1358734928 862035 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, we actually are talking about an esolang partly inspired by deployment issues < 1358735001 526191 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 there's actually a multii-player virtual reality game that implements time travel. I can look up the name if youi want < 1358735022 147413 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think time travel is really the core issue < 1358735041 205049 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My fault for saying the words time travel < 1358735086 885720 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is curious about that game... unless it's that RTS one that changes come in waves or something < 1358735089 307625 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.achrongame.com/site/   < 1358735113 946139 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't like achron, sgeo? < 1358735137 64665 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It costs money. And also it's not the model of time travel that _really_ holds my interest < 1358735163 536036 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(immutable single timeline) < 1358735183 193660 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo are you familiar with croquet/openqwak or cobalt < 1358735185 413236 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1358735194 472752 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't those super dead? < 1358735205 482810 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :saijanai_, I've had some interest, but haven't really played around < 1358735207 68788 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully not < 1358735222 811889 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in suspension for a while < 1358735234 869023 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does OpenQwak or OpenCobalt have some sort of entry world to hang out with others? < 1358735239 774168 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be nice < 1358735241 933136 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's stuff you can do with teatime you still can't do with any other system? < 1358735242 114630 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.opencroquet.org/ yeeeeeaaaaaah < 1358735258 185135 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a sandbox where multiple people can build stuff and script stuff together < 1358735262 188458 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :teatime? < 1358735272 95689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :saijanai_: I'm aware of Achron < 1358735278 822521 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I think OpenCroquet is the foundation on which OpenCobalt is built < 1358735286 719441 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :David Reed's first stab at distributed p2p serving < 1358735286 899253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its time travel model is quite different from Feather's, and somewhat arbitrary in order to make the gameplay work < 1358735305 850541 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't there a few papers on achron? < 1358735324 326381 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read at some point a bit about how the main guy wanted to use the time travel stuff for reversible computing and well anything more practical than an RTS < 1358735342 215589 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, that is where worlds would come in < 1358735377 440163 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :worlds + teatime would be very interesting < 1358735403 930777 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the list on page 7 is awesome < 1358735417 748223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PART #esoteric :"""" < 1358735434 107678 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1358735441 934382 :saijanai_!~lawsoneng@ip70-190-21-22.ph.ph.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro list? page 7? < 1358735464 817900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq < 1358735472 198327 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :r? < 1358735474 736145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1358735478 642251 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1358735492 675657 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://open-std.org/JTC1/SC22/WG21/docs/papers/2013/n3514.pdf < 1358735716 259470 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :qqqqqqq: qqqqq qq? < 1358735729 823014 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1358735756 707711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::∩) < 1358735779 84889 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1358735847 289002 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1358735899 672799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::≟) < 1358735906 481750 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1358735908 811092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1358735911 347491 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1358735917 914399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::⊡) < 1358735959 266265 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1358735982 916788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::⏎) < 1358736062 241040 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?- exists(shachaf). < 1358736062 460996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . ? @ v < 1358736195 59738 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1358736908 728405 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1358736939 451188 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1358737144 492143 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358737220 812739 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1358737226 598126 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358737957 746623 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Morphic supposed to be "easy"? < 1358737973 426696 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :morphic? < 1358738053 983134 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you trying to knock shachaf off the wagon? < 1358738488 889333 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1358738731 554038 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1358739164 857375 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets a little spooked out by the method finder thingy < 1358739195 421523 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it spooky < 1358739261 296857 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i spooky < 1358739273 945646 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typing 'eureka' . 'EUREKA' into it finds methods that do that < 1358739283 510488 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It found asUppercase < 1358739352 267486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you search for 1+0 records in 1+0 records out 512 bytes (512 B) copied, 3.1335e-05 s, 16.3 MB/s < 1358739382 535310 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I don't know if it only works when the first argument is the receiver of the method or not < 1358739387 358241 :sivoais!~zaki@c-98-198-132-238.hsd1.tx.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358739406 806279 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even then, how could it know to avoid certain side-effecting methods? < 1358739457 705181 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1358739477 528262 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's a list of allowed methods < 1358739478 443258 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1358739561 438667 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358739697 993142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358739792 111598 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1358739825 731295 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb < 1358741097 180508 :infnikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358741099 969094 :infnikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1358741149 861803 :infnikiller64!47ee98b4@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.238.152.180 QUIT :Client Quit < 1358741267 811732 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1358743365 482056 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1358743563 529435 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1358743891 319085 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-10.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1358745791 105014 :odul!~wircer@149-169-175-154.nat.asu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1358745854 541839 :odul!~wircer@149-169-175-154.nat.asu.edu PART #esoteric :"wIRC" < 1358745861 410062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: was that a hi of response, or a hi of disapproval? < 1358745863 841018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either works in context < 1358746133 200743 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget < 1358746151 520860 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both??? who knows < 1358746228 424919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: was it all three < 1358746278 497122 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1358746322 887313 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly also none of the above. < 1358747100 344845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1358747949 416338 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358748616 185268 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1358748617 333830 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo alot < 1358749222 11492 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358749963 573184 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1358752397 935847 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1358753894 350172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1358754095 313280 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1358756252 683195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote in Smalltalk, as in Feather, in order to do I/O, you must first create the universe ais523, it seems quite capable of I/O... GUI is a form of I/O Sgeo: yeah exactly where does the GUI come from? it's written in Smalltalk, clearly and how does the GUI do its I/O? if you think about the issue for too long, you end up inventing Feather < 1358756259 473564 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :923) in Smalltalk, as in Feather, in order to do I/O, you must first create the universe ais523, it seems quite capable of I/O... GUI is a form of I/O Sgeo: yeah exactly where does the GUI come from? it's written in Smalltalk, clearly and how does the GUI do its I/O? if you think ab < 1358756268 463377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it got cut off < 1358756282 103393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote 923 | rev < 1358756283 871985 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rehtaeF gnitnevni pu dne uoy ,gnol oot rof eussi eht tuoba kniht uoy fi >325sia< ?O/I sti od IUG eht seod woh dna >325sia< ylraelc ,klatllamS ni nettirw s'ti >325sia< ?morf emoc IUG eht seod erehw >325sia< yltcaxe haey :oegS >325sia< O/I fo mrof a si IUG ...O/I fo elbapac etiuq smees ti ,325sia >oegS< esrevinu eht etaerc tsrif tsum uoy ,O/I o < 1358756304 437345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only on output. didn't we already ask Gregor to fix that. < 1358756331 662853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even pinpoint the exact point in the code to change < 1358756360 366997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where it says "350") < 1358756396 459403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1358756553 815804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote you can define Feather as "Smalltalk done right" if you want to confuse people into wondering why that would involve time travel stuff and all that < 1358756556 934621 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :924) you can define Feather as "Smalltalk done right" if you want to confuse people into wondering why that would involve time travel stuff and all that < 1358756725 961815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tuoba kniht uoy fi. < 1358756926 381452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly that must be estonian. < 1358756993 641334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The esoteric order of the knights of tuba. < 1358757000 853215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1358757019 826098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoying "the logs??" < 1358757035 159861 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358757071 351624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE < 1358758373 389613 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1358758490 514684 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1358759819 329382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358760213 194303 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1358760988 756036 :sivoais_!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358762598 708000 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358762784 635114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs fueue.* < 1358762787 790917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff < 1358762799 172228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs fueue.*eof < 1358762813 189354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fueueof. < 1358762820 985984 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.29434 < 1358762827 536344 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.424 < 1358762855 798239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, the "fueueof" made it to the output. Funky. < 1358762969 979473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those numbers are widely varying < 1358762973 578359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it just pick a random number? < 1358762982 274158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there some pattern that's just not obvious from two examples? < 1358763026 628334 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358763039 268372 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1358763071 135537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it's random < 1358763100 986299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2012-08-29.txt has the fueue eof discussion < 1358763134 20141 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you can do is have the compiler forcibly terminate the program on EOF no matter what < 1358763285 766213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that disallows many programs from being written < 1358763316 243632 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358763316 471338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. reversing the input is impossible < 1358763358 107010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's bash $RANDOM. < 1358763401 164431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls paste | wc -l < 1358763402 732345 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :506 < 1358763408 59639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the fueue eof situation is a mess. the C interpreter returns some negative number (usually -1 but not portably), the ocaml interpreter just throws an uncatched exception, and Taneb has not linked to his own interpreter so i don't know what it does. < 1358763523 179159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 5k $(ls paste | wc -l) 32768/100*n | dc < 1358763524 736040 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.54400 < 1358763535 208346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's already 1.5% full. < 1358763535 753052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok http://hpaste.org/73921 is probably from Taneb's so it also throws an exception. < 1358763552 274499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that bin/paste tries to avoid existing pastes or anything.) < 1358763582 766533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in any case i have no way of distinguishing -1 from 0 while also distinguishing different positive characters. < 1358763607 150734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You can just rule out files that ever end, aren't those pretty rare anyway? < 1358763618 515888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats fizzie -----### < 1358763789 317318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this seems like a good way to do paste expiry, really < 1358763794 359361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they expire after a random length of time < 1358763835 6326 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1358763988 751177 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1358764359 26266 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1358765421 698615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, I want to put that in an esolang spec, now < 1358765437 213528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"reading past end of file does something random and poorly-defined, possibly crashing the program" < 1358765446 767803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1358765450 288857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you evil man < 1358765486 976635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :me? evil? < 1358765499 627769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "ais523" backwards *is* "evil". < 1358765505 833150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1358765518 905999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, reading past EOF in INTERCAL causes an unrecoverable fatal error, and there's no way to determine where it is unless you read past it < 1358765532 744840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this strikes me as not entirely optimal in terms of I/O capabilities < 1358765825 409677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the obvious fix to this problem, of course, is the CLC-INTERCAL method, whereby you can simultaneously read and not read from the file, and then simultaneously check and not check whether an error was thrown < 1358765843 678475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you need to hedge in the second case, because checking to see if there's been an error throws an error if there wasn't one, obviously) < 1358765846 7060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1358766045 671381 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-10.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1358766187 901359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SENSE THIS FIX HAS PROBLEMS < 1358767056 175097 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How about have it crash only half the time < 1358767859 346724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1358767921 219851 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1358768169 118076 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1358768873 4474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358770605 84745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1358771028 849742 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1358771496 551982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358772764 623606 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358775086 100927 :Taneb!02619461@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.97.148.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358775126 591444 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1358775131 408131 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1358775839 714147 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1358776095 794342 :Taneb!02619461@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.97.148.97 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1358777033 682439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1358777723 143693 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1358777975 974890 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358777986 306021 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358778731 73484 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358779158 544787 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358779600 768224 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1358779737 271746 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358782580 606391 :Rajni!~www@bl8-228-149.dsl.telepac.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1358782628 778785 :Rajni!~www@bl8-228-149.dsl.telepac.pt PART :#esoteric < 1358783334 971072 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : only on output. didn't we already ask Gregor to fix that. // "fix" doesn't mean anything. I have to have SOME cutoff, and I don't know which is best. < 1358783751 593760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well you could just limit it to 512 and let the server cut it off < 1358783753 199183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that work? < 1358783799 10445 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall setting a limit for a reason X-D < 1358783808 955383 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though perhaps it's just that the server gets mad if you go waaaaaaaay over. < 1358783860 784065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: also because otherwise infinite output will hang you < 1358783911 365642 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw, my reader has a limit of 1024 or something thereabouts. < 1358784687 276958 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :1024 doesnt say waaaaaaaay over < 1358784905 463042 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric : IRC messages are always lines of characters terminated with a CR-LF < 1358784905 681945 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Carriage Return - Line Feed) pair, and these messages SHALL NOT < 1358784905 900839 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric : exceed 512 characters in length, counting all characters including < 1358784905 901036 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric : the trailing CR-LF. Thus, there are 510 characters maximum allowed < 1358784905 901142 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric : for the command and its parameters. There is no provision for < 1358784907 237812 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric : continuation of message lines. < 1358785102 55053 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 510 - strlen("PRIVMSG :") = 501 chars for the actual message, as defined by the rfc < 1358785284 820535 :sivoais!~zaki@c-98-198-132-238.hsd1.tx.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1358785373 633326 :sivoais_!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1358785428 378280 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358785484 620344 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome sivoais < 1358785486 931448 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sivoais: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1358785604 979530 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"October 27, 2009: A South Korean pig farmer, who was wanted for assault, cut a hole in the DMZ fence and defected to North Korea.[16]" < 1358785631 820926 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to imagine someone defecting to North Korea < 1358785632 77402 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1358785640 881708 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_Demilitarized_Zone < 1358785753 890042 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Axe Murder Incident in August 1976 involved the attempted trimming of a poplar tree which resulted in two deaths (CPT Arthur Bonifas and 1LT Mark Barrett) and Operation Paul Bunyan." < 1358788478 976602 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-10.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1358789008 249389 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1358789079 485828 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1358789087 891261 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :String>>translate doesn't actually do anything, wtf < 1358789102 277339 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses NaturalLanguageTranslator class>>translate: < 1358789108 690335 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that just returns its argument < 1358789124 715391 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not implemented yet, just a stub < 1358789136 347649 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A NaturalLanguageTranslator is a dummy translator. < 1358789136 725263 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The localization framework is found in the gettext package." < 1358789150 685399 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, is this gettext package supposed to modify String>>translate? < 1358789154 498741 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of creepy < 1358789890 389882 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1358791217 630343 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358791280 558511 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358792826 720514 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1358793143 571291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://geekfeminism.org/2013/01/21/re-post-hiring-based-on-hobbies-effective-or-exclusive/ < 1358793212 235765 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :amateur robotics impractical, heheh < 1358793259 683916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I’ve seen other people imply that there’s something even morally suspect about somebody working an engineering job just for the money... Of course, that’s classist. It’s easier to feel like you’re motivated by the sheer love of your work if you don’t really need the money." < 1358793381 493782 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1358793635 611557 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1358793638 717997 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1358793928 610567 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, i like how that's a re-run of an article from 2 months ago < 1358794086 191041 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1358794094 178876 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Is requiring Open Source experience sexist?” < 1358794102 661444 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1358794104 221416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hadn't seen it 2 months ago because i was not subscribed yet < 1358794139 692658 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I count as having open-source experience for having pushed minor patches into stuff < 1358794145 191121 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And one of those patches was broken) < 1358794148 314515 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: you could read the article < 1358794196 573648 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: for your resume? seriously just be as positive and reaching as you can < 1358794220 515966 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm done editing resume I think < 1358794221 884953 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or well, at least for now < 1358794229 576452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll try to tweak it more later on < 1358794279 102019 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1358794364 388696 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1358794477 597746 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1358794533 586808 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1358794772 195385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: let me guess, you're smart and educated, therefore the idea that your behavior might be unintentionally sexist is absurd < 1358794853 422562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we not do this please < 1358794862 440976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1358794866 459295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i well end up annoyed with everyone involved, myself included < 1358794874 903961 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*will < 1358794919 936798 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of bored so I'd actually like to keep going < 1358794927 510952 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :will sit on kmc's side of the stadium and munch some popcorn < 1358794976 853790 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like i should make some comparison like "[haskell thing that seems weird on the surface but isn't really]" nonhaskeller: "wut", but i can't think of anything. woe < 1358794989 431742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, Bike < 1358794991 702123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're trying too hard < 1358794999 578566 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1358795001 991360 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a tryhard :( < 1358795005 660380 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye < 1358795006 476805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1358795026 947757 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sadly pedals off on his non-fixie < 1358795038 593796 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can you picture a bike riding a bike) < 1358795047 500611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats hard < 1358795056 83660 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i've seen lots of those double height hipster bikes < 1358795057 63107 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some difficulty, yes < 1358795066 75877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what < 1358795082 943143 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly, hipster bike technology is lightyears ahead of ours < 1358795092 758957 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2602/3913184301_0346b553bd_z.jpg Uh. < 1358795101 939859 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1358795104 197855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: except for gears or freewheeling :3 < 1358795108 468875 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't... I don't really understand what this is < 1358795120 424977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a super tall bike < 1358795126 644627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably made by welding together a few bike frames < 1358795128 115608 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bikehugger.com/images/blog/double_decker.jpg is this a joke < 1358795132 558009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see them around cambridge sometimes < 1358795145 874734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that just makes me think of a penny farthing < 1358795146 633699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's exciting to see someone mount one, they have to hold onto a sign pole or something < 1358795148 795771 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it for? more cargo capacity? < 1358795149 549773 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: same < 1358795166 414599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also come perilously close to the trolleybus wires < 1358795168 276388 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also who invented penny farthings < 1358795169 188855 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why < 1358795181 787791 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the food bank people with no cars sometimes have a lot of trouble loading their food on, maybe they could use double deckers < 1358795182 749975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was before gears < 1358795184 850845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on bikes < 1358795189 467650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i like how that latter one looks like a cube < 1358795191 718535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the middle bit < 1358795200 619482 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, it does < 1358795205 766124 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :optical bike < 1358795208 757619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so the driving wheel needed to be really huge < 1358795209 499151 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tesseract bike please < 1358795218 75660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ok but they look so stupid < 1358795220 838920 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1358795225 543067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an actual cube bike < 1358795228 378173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what else looks stupid? everything from that era < 1358795233 335559 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently penny farthings were also called "man slicers" < 1358795233 817964 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wheels on two adjacent corners < 1358795244 934006 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like this should be an obscure but amusing gay slang, nowadays < 1358795253 122651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this guy http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Harvey_Cable_Car.jpg < 1358795258 806290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: haha < 1358795282 364794 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the people on the ground < 1358795285 19400 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is this dude serious" < 1358795287 427966 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1358795304 301199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1358795307 551446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're probably his investors < 1358795314 715270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be making side bets on whether he dies, to hedge < 1358795338 753364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was the first rapid transit in manhattan < 1358795341 610840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo "rapid transit" < 1358795355 204990 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"above walking speed transit" < 1358795366 922252 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Velocipede_Michaux-1.jpg apparently the bikes before penny farthings didn't look idiotic, elliott < 1358795380 593232 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than having wooden wheels... < 1358795386 132364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michaux-Perreaux_steam_velocipede < 1358795398 307848 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i don't even know what the fuck is with that < 1358795406 167039 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, read that as a steam centipede < 1358795408 992290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :steampunk!!! < 1358795426 839912 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Daimler_Reitwagen.JPG now this, this looks steampunk < 1358795434 543038 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the irony being it's an ICE not steam i guess < 1358795476 43104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i like how it looks like it has a dead bird for a seat < 1358795481 481526 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, no, I am very open to re-thinking and critisizing every thing I do and say, and every thing that presents itself as the "default" or "normal" or "right" or whatnot < 1358795491 83188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh christ, here we go < 1358795494 385782 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1358795504 315475 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, hey, don't be dissing a conversation before it starts < 1358795507 598879 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you both waiting 10 minutes between replies < 1358795513 183443 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which btw is not a mechanical steam-driven centipede, but a deadly poisonous centipede that can also burn you with steam) < 1358795515 88251 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what i should have said ten minutes ago but i was distracted by my brethern < 1358795518 361838 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bretheren < 1358795522 20367 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was reading :P both those articles < 1358795524 314697 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the term is "bikes" < 1358795526 557147 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poisonous steam < 1358795529 183056 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bikeren?? < 1358795531 925773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, well i suppose we have been having some vaguely intelligent debates these days < 1358795532 196030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I could buy bretheren as an arcane plural for bik < 1358795533 274315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1358795541 115335 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff < 1358795552 340453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idiot well has dried up, it seems < 1358795557 20689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bicycleaux < 1358795565 374941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the jerk store called, they're out of you < 1358795579 291312 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, i'm sure we can get people saying dumb things about something < 1358795583 359888 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you all think about engels < 1358795585 25297 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the plural of bike is bake < 1358795591 114847 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that the past tense < 1358795600 231201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i liked communism before it was cool < 1358795604 1625 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, a bake is a baby bike < 1358795622 551919 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the plural of "bike" is "bike", but you pronounce it "beekay" < 1358795623 295013 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think they exist < 1358795636 921151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the past The plural of surgeon general is surgeons general. The past tense of surgeons general is surgeonsed general. < 1358795641 454876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoopsie < 1358795645 861093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not drunk" < 1358795664 140024 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it still america afternood < 1358795668 100824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*n < 1358795673 638035 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not in a freezing room" < 1358795679 298086 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man remember when quoting (the first) portal didn't drive all good people into an irritated rage < 1358795682 356735 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were good times < 1358795684 758382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1358795689 259906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's back < 1358795717 506707 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't really have the same thing happen with portal 2, other than watching the sphere compilation videos a few times. maybe... i've grown up........ < 1358795727 437465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear the cake is a lie (i've never finished portal 1 :( ) < 1358795736 891048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my computer broke the day after I got like half-way through ti) < 1358795737 629285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it < 1358795760 262622 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the lesser-known portal references < 1358795763 224963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any of those < 1358795774 390853 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could quote the cake recipe < 1358795818 796806 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :soo, I do not think that when you are hiring for engineering, giving extra credit/linking to someone that is interested and contributes to FOSS is a bad thing. I find it reasonable, as the way I see it, is sort of an extra in the candidate's experience. However, "removing points" because he has no such contribution or interest is silly. < 1358795846 862240 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in high school a guy printed out the entire script of portal 1 and was reading it out during a field trip. it's possible i'm mentally scarred < 1358795857 786521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: i'm not sure that's logically consistent < 1358795868 945049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the important difference between "adding points" and "not removing points" < 1358795874 744349 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think adding points for X is equivalent to... right < 1358795892 36785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1358795899 569573 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1358795901 745050 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait right it is < 1358795902 227141 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i should remember this the next time i'm foolish enough to get into an argument about affirmative action < 1358795907 54646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: good job < 1358795917 605066 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it is not inconsistent < 1358795919 528431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe im on the wrong degree course < 1358795935 374867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: should have gone with computer science : ) < 1358795941 108182 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are hiring a software engineer and you ask him what his interests are < 1358795947 292804 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"him" < 1358795951 134516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :always "him" eh < 1358795955 695652 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1358795959 840139 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter, given the subject of discussion probably don't use gendered pronouns < 1358795970 315018 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know what to use < 1358795974 921224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"them" is fine < 1358795976 403558 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the right word in English < 1358795979 243583 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1358795980 785698 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :singular they is what all the cool kids use, but anyway, not that important < 1358795997 144494 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"them", "him or her", or just "her" if you're really lazy and/or writing an RPG rules book :P < 1358795998 628999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the record I'm not saying we need to ignore OSS experience (nor am I saying I agree with everything in that article) < 1358796008 579351 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, you are hiring a software engineer and you ask them what their interests are < 1358796017 812410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just you need to be aware of the social context of who can and can't contribute to OSS. it's not a meritocracy. < 1358796039 693234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe we should rely on it a bit less < 1358796051 158162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think acting like you're not a good programmer unless you eat and breathe and shit programming 24/7 is stupid < 1358796054 572021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use spivak so you can pretend you're playing agora nomic < 1358796059 411753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just stupid on social justice grounds, stupid in general < 1358796065 227288 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes our entire field look silly and immature < 1358796075 870471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like we can't handle the idea of having a job, doing that job well, and then getting paid for that job < 1358796089 675807 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do they actually use spivak? I didn't think anyone actually did besides some MOOs... wait. < 1358796089 917280 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, i think this is similar to the brogrammer thing < 1358796098 382657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course certain companies like Google want to perpetuate this state of affairs because it lets them maintain a tighter grip on their employees and their all-consuming infatuation with The Company < 1358796099 829186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes < 1358796113 686458 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: in fact agora is a descendent of nomicworld which was played on a mud < 1358796115 428401 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming just hasn't developed consistent standards of professionalism < 1358796118 822422 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fucking knew it < 1358796120 863296 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that is why it uses spivak though I hear it used singular they originally < 1358796146 117796 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I feel like it's one thing to contribute to open source, another to /get your patches accepted/, yet another to be someone major < 1358796150 791153 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use spivak < 1358796155 879051 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: now i want to find something comparing google to 19th century company towns `-` < 1358796156 842737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes you sound like you're a cockney < 1358796171 499975 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, right, I agree on that < 1358796175 848445 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former is easy enough, the middle might depend on things totally out of your control, the latter requires a huge dedication and destruction of free time < 1358796183 601705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: which kind < 1358796207 1837 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the... one which makes you sound like a cockney < 1358796211 778164 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like "here's my github, here's 20 hours of open source work I did" isn't too unreasonable I guess? < 1358796227 652091 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for 'e's a jolly good fellow, etc. < 1358796244 970404 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spivak_pronoun < 1358796257 498102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how happy all those examples are < 1358796311 380215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no standard of professionalism, and quite a few people who see the idea of professionalism or human decency as some kind of terrible oppression < 1358796375 787313 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the one I've heard a little bit at least is 'ze', 'hir', etc < 1358796389 13036 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems to be reasonably common among the genderqueer crowd < 1358796427 887856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :startup culture is a backlash against big company bureacracy, the way that nerd culture is a backlash against people who picked on us in middle school < 1358796456 189705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so much as nerds are compelled to dislike sports, startup hackers are compelled to dislike professionalism, 'policy' of any form, etc. < 1358796464 338832 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, essentially the same problem; 'hir' just scans as 'her' for me. < 1358796514 203004 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. I never noticed that but I guess it might make sense given the whole "Brains ignore the middle letters" thing < 1358796522 914714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's phonetic. < 1358796534 444022 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hqr < 1358796538 947053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q pronounced as q < 1358796555 329723 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hir" is pronounced as "heer" I think < 1358796567 501535 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't ignore the middle letters, they have to be the same but the order doesn't matter, if you're thinking of that old "cambridge" chain mail < 1358796574 885004 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1358796587 729564 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's supposed to be a cross between "his" and "her" < 1358796621 843877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1358796626 575764 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't trust chain mail. it won't protect you from halberds < 1358796631 510183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that might make sense, but 'hihr' is pretty awkward to pronounce. < 1358796634 272526 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mostly just use singular they because most people understand it without explanation, and dealing with prescriptivists will happen whenever < 1358796634 491748 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally looked up what chain mail was bad against on wikipedia for that < 1358796638 288683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fuckers < 1358796641 375330 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do so much for you < 1358796641 594167 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fog Creek Software is unusually explicit about the fact that their corporate culture is "the opposite of Microsoft in 1994" < 1358796647 567734 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admire your commitment to that dumb joke, elliott < 1358796659 344850 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: just as i admire your commitment to being dumb all the time!! < 1358796660 347018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: get thee to a ren faire < 1358796661 339453 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hypothesis: all these people have read too much Dilbert < 1358796665 126905 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :( :( :( < 1358796666 437685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: haha yes < 1358796675 67171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i loved Dilbert when I was like 10 years old < 1358796691 876301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it seems really dumb < 1358796718 59252 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8AUPSfgk18 etc < 1358796719 754685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course nobody doubts that horrible big company jobs exist, much as nobody doubts that nerds get picked on in middle school < 1358796736 580784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is, once you escape that, are you going to build a backlash or are you going to build something thoughtful and positive < 1358796859 662084 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'd like to sit around complaining on irc like kmc OH BURNNN < 1358796861 628909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :j/k i like you < 1358796866 750845 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have this quota see.. < 1358796881 910221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1358796892 303660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc understands < 1358796903 120637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not at work so suck it < 1358796987 290778 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1358797663 196035 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wow that video is... what < 1358797680 987980 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it < 1358797681 504322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1358797686 151198 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dilbert 2 < 1358797710 210055 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you then also not seen dilbert 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEgtYOJ_qeM < 1358797713 227376 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nsfw in all kinds of ways) < 1358797738 846391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i had better see it < 1358797758 917931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's some reupload. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7bwbl6UHU8 < 1358797764 441107 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :high quality dilbert 3 direct download today < 1358797955 232755 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358797958 127621 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it real and fast? < 1358798141 959855 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cboyardee is one of the guys behind https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/284/786/d315644299e4c76a2cf3d282b9aa444f_large.gif?1354207645, so < 1358798142 738678 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT : < 1358798203 62497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no it's fake < 1358798205 551208 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% authentic fake < 1358798219 15348 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1358798246 675740 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also apparently the dilbert series was turned in as an actual art project at an actual school < 1358798265 435521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20130120.gif < 1358798404 760314 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358798503 654904 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you link them like that the bonus image is missing. < 1358798545 222967 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus imgae? < 1358798547 286064 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*image < 1358798553 131607 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but biology hates math jokes are dumb < 1358798556 37010 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20130120after.gif < 1358798563 200798 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... wow. I only just -- wow I've totally missed those all this time < 1358798570 985586 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i had the same reaction < 1358798594 567789 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you're supposed to be donating to get them or something < 1358798624 434047 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, that doesn’t have anything to do with donations. < 1358798628 279274 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, ads. < 1358798638 809282 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't appear on the rss feed for that reason < 1358798650 735117 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know how to get to the bonus images without manually changing the url, so < 1358798658 310749 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: Hover on the red button. < 1358798692 547979 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: whoa. < 1358798806 415353 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/669.html < 1358798810 808385 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know xkcd has title text (this one doesn't work because who reads xkcd any more :/) < 1358798825 668016 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does goatkcd have title text < 1358798844 379941 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why can't i find any irregular webcomic strip funny? am i ill? < 1358798856 563419 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh gosh < 1358798862 249976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do not read iwc for the funny < 1358798865 148010 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you read it for the dmm < 1358798872 620887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iwc is funny but it's not in the you're actually laughing way < 1358798902 908378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like spending time with someone who is a funny person except instead of spending time with them you're reading their webcomic on the internet and are actually sad and alone < 1358798918 391207 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on a true story < 1358798920 560225 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1358798942 627209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i mentioned that my initials are the same as dmm's < 1358798945 462577 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kept it a secret < 1358798946 730531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for so long < 1358798961 471256 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time he was mentioned i yearned to reveal this interesting fact about myself < 1358798966 596898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i had to maintain the facade < 1358798970 978476 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, dmm? Is that the same as reading it for the educational value? < 1358798972 56523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what is your middle name < 1358798976 718637 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is dmm < 1358798984 96737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :david morgan-mar...... < 1358798998 410236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, no < 1358799006 357315 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's everything < 1358799012 727647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he made irregular webcomic (and a bunch of esolangs)) < 1358799020 460420 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also um < 1358799024 857708 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mezzacotta and stuff < 1358799067 55439 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1358799070 235006 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What esolangs? < 1358799075 505144 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right he made ook < 1358799077 467340 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and piet I think? < 1358799085 332426 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a good brainfuck derivative" < 1358799095 64077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit chef haifu < 1358799096 78790 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hq9++ < 1358799098 353336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :petrovich < 1358799100 397664 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever < 1358799101 145558 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zombie < 1358799107 269497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this list quoted from that shitty wiki < 1358799113 962421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ the ones Bike mentionde < 1358799177 229383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo < 1358799179 132087 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you < 1358799180 341869 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not know < 1358799181 547508 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that dmm < 1358799184 23617 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :made esolangs < 1358799194 12541 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, I did not know that. < 1358799194 495671 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are we talking like that < 1358799202 119652 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to express astonishment < 1358799229 521431 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you watched Puella Magi Madoka Magica? < 1358799232 96883 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not. < 1358799233 118712 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why. < 1358799234 109978 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't < 1358799234 636623 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1358799285 115298 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is not that you haven't read iwc < 1358799312 414158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is that you knew of dmm but didn't realise he also did esolangs < 1358799323 627907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1358799328 81809 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vaguely < 1358799336 908395 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe "knew of" is a bit too extreme < 1358799345 967776 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is he the dangermouse person? < 1358799346 186589 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know puell magi madoka magica also did esolangs < 1358799368 942167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the fuck is there latin in that name < 1358799382 676314 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it roman anime or something < 1358799383 607307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone said the same people who made GHC to write the report? I thought GHC is made by the Glasgow university, and the report is made by the Microsoft research department. < 1358799390 836814 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"puella magi" is how they translated "mahou shoujo" < 1358799401 712257 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: have yo useen the bathhouse anime < 1358799408 795779 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were trying to keep the rather, erm. dark pun present in the original < 1358799412 140433 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1358799413 590772 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good anime imo < 1358799424 878620 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, by... translating it into Latin. < 1358799436 405422 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not quite a translation < 1358799455 971765 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey, it's a retelling of faust, so close enough, right? < 1358799465 365538 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote welsh < 1358799466 641416 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the pun? < 1358799466 884427 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :821) !rot13 Fluttershy Rainbow Dash Rarity Applejack Twilight Sparkle Pinkie Pie Syhggreful Envaobj Qnfu Enevgl Nccyrwnpx Gjvyvtug Fcnexyr Cvaxvr Cvr oh, they're all named after rot13'd welsh words < 1358799475 448605 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*PFFFF* < 1358799511 77571 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syhggreful is my kind of name < 1358799512 41666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha, the welsh < 1358799516 549356 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just wanted to check what some of the pony names were) < 1358799609 744111 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: mega spoilers 0,0 in Japanese, "mahou shoujo" kanji-puns to be similar to the word for "witch", which is what all magical girls are doomed to become. "puella magi" iirc has the same effect, while "magical girl" doesn't < 1358799615 614036 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all called magical-girls in-story in the translation though. < 1358799645 748191 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1358799651 173575 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1358799677 321419 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's what I think it is. I don't really know much about the translation, I only watched the fansubs < 1358799690 548120 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, and the blu-ray I suppose <.< < 1358799691 657476 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure this translator was entirely aware of how puns work < 1358799722 725502 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's less puns and more of urobochi's love for foreshadowing < 1358799753 401601 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought "mahou shoujo" was just the usual term for magical girls < 1358799760 545761 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they're all a ripoff of Bewitched or something < 1358799775 858012 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, "mahou shoujo" is the standard term < 1358799783 388512 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dating back 30-40+ years < 1358799802 49500 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know you've really broken your compiler when: hashTable.ts(151,12): public function return type has or is using private type 'bool' < 1358799849 535410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: nice < 1358799863 745918 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, um, Bike, I saw this challenge thing someone posted on ##c and decided to do it < 1358799868 37891 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/jrS5ntrQ < 1358799908 528343 :md_5!md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1358799918 358289 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that include the sign bit < 1358799925 589397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 you made [[Feather]] less funny, is there anything we can do about that? < 1358799925 808348 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1358799960 240697 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it includes the sign bit < 1358799985 30997 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :17-24 is my attempt at an implementation to test against < 1358799990 284532 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the problem didn't have it) < 1358800017 779753 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing it in less than half the required ops was satisfying though < 1358800069 560746 :md_5!md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358800078 178158 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :your version is like three times as long < 1358800089 153622 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :howManyBits isn't a valid solution though >.> < 1358800094 707320 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to do it without loops, ifs, etc < 1358800102 69109 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no loop, though < 1358800103 658991 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1358800109 418307 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wrote it to test against < 1358800127 784088 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does it generalize to ints of any length?? < 1358800137 211667 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's possible in C XD < 1358800137 841163 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: btw the logs don't show colours so you may want to stick to rot13 if you consider logreaders people (but who would) < 1358800154 16272 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um.... ? < 1358800161 337553 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for your spoilers < 1358800163 741125 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1358800177 996950 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. used to using the ctrl-c color thing < 1358800178 721362 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just think of pooerjan, he'll never be able to watch pool meduka < 1358800186 826278 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone has already seen madoka magica though < 1358800219 654859 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually they haven't and I was really shocked when a couple people I know not only hadn't seen it, but somehow had completely avoided spoilers even though all their friends were fans, I don't even know how that's actually possible) < 1358800236 105738 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heavy use of rot13 i bet < 1358800262 482401 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i'm thinking "poørjan" would be better. < 1358800270 158079 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pøørjan < 1358800508 508268 :md_5!md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1358800669 503610 :md_5!md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358800715 729921 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh,I googled the problem and the original disallows constants outside of the range of 0-0xff < 1358800722 200154 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that only took 5 ops to work aruond <.< < 1358800731 730693 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int neg1 = ~0; and everything magics < 1358800742 253116 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the main GHC developers have been at MSR for a while < 1358800806 144267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: rip simon marlow :( < 1358800811 484062 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how closely are operators like ~ defined? is ~0 definitely going to be int_min < 1358800824 446890 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1358800830 606833 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would assume a 2s complement representation yeah? < 1358800835 292388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C doesn't assume that < 1358800835 793151 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1358800841 46466 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int32_t is required to be 2s complement accordnig to language lawyers in ##c < 1358800848 947993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really < 1358800855 846651 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the problem specifies that you can assume 2s complement 32-bit int < 1358800858 98219 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :psh, what are the people on signed magnitude machines going to do! < 1358800858 341766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: OK, but why are they called Glasgow then, if they are really Microsoft Research? < 1358800865 908514 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it still have undefined overflow < 1358800868 966971 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int32_t is basically like. if the define exists you can assume it acts like you expect < 1358800872 992177 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure @_@ < 1358800875 65664 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because "microsoft research haskell compiler" would scare everyone off < 1358800876 29226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: because the project originated there 20+ years ago < 1358800877 349451 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GMSHC doesn't have the same ring to it < 1358800892 958033 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: OK. < 1358800899 530190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they did not want to rename it < 1358800904 182900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scares me less than anything with glasgow in the name < 1358800929 334072 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glasgow hugs compiler < 1358800931 17083 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd buy it < 1358800947 387742 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was officially the "Glorious" Haskell Compiler now. < 1358800967 978186 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make it a recursive acronym and be done with it < 1358800970 705448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's the Glorious Glasgow Haskell Compilation System < 1358800977 524905 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff < 1358800985 56214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ghc --version < 1358800985 296484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Glorious Glasgow Haskell Compilation System, version 7.6.1 < 1358800990 756563 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul < 1358801004 901176 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358801020 961723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : everyone has already seen madoka magica though <-- i think the first time i became aware of that name was some time last week when the newspaper had a feature on cosplayers. < 1358801074 658093 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358801079 96124 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hideous Hexham Haskell < 1358801139 315752 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you thought about how many times you have to say bye before you've matched all your "hi"s? < 1358801146 306746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : how closely are operators like ~ defined? is ~0 definitely going to be int_min <-- um it's usually -1 isn't it. < 1358801147 553431 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"newspaper feature on cosplayers" oh dears < 1358801162 625019 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no...... < 1358801212 415253 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: consider it the next time you say hi < 1358801212 896465 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok turns out i'm bad at math < 1358801295 664798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1358801316 613399 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: are you in the brony documentary? < 1358801327 640436 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I be? < 1358801337 415130 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Gregor: are you in the brony documentary < 1358801339 694739 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooops < 1358801340 657347 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :925) Gregor: are you in the brony documentary < 1358801341 140117 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Gregor: are you in the brony documentary? < 1358801344 438573 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :926) Gregor: are you in the brony documentary? < 1358801345 403016 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 925 < 1358801349 513538 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* Gregor: are you in the brony documentary < 1358801357 122549 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it has people with hats in it < 1358801371 392721 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of hats are we talking here < 1358801372 951149 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH OF COURSE X-D < 1358801377 56904 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'm nopony. < 1358801401 352318 :md_5!md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1358801432 116932 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, but I thought you were a brony for some reason < 1358801435 226260 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1358801474 579836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is brony. i have seen proof. < 1358801486 614586 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not denying that. < 1358801502 229069 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't make me worth being in the documentary, I'm nobody. < 1358801510 423024 :md_5!md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358801512 339291 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358801523 275776 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they meticulously combed the entire fanbase. < 1358801533 135366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bronies are so weird that Gregor doesn't even stand out < 1358801534 277706 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how careless of them < 1358801543 974409 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a documentary on brony bfjousters imo < 1358801548 755523 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul < 1358801558 20475 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfjousters? < 1358801565 73931 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :brousters? < 1358801572 379592 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :punky brouster? < 1358801578 767412 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how to link to wiki pages, just look up "bfjoust", Snowyowl < 1358801580 742854 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this is some sort of My Little Pony / Brainfuck crossover, I want in < 1358801588 622470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust horrible [>+] < 1358801588 863158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say... yes < 1358801596 954698 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's a definite yes < 1358801600 81448 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_horrible: 0.0 < 1358801603 551519 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Even by horrible standards, that's pretty horrible. < 1358801614 942568 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust horribler < < 1358801615 161303 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A brainfuck pony would be madness] < 1358801617 975515 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for myndzi_horribler: 0.0 < 1358801632 328364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: i was trying to be more creatively horrible than that < 1358801638 377077 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/report.txt < 1358801641 166328 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe :PY < 1358801642 213411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that horrible one isn't so bad is it < 1358801645 962895 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess it is < 1358801648 452034 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust horriblest (-)*120[-] < 1358801649 658057 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :dat hill < 1358801649 901027 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could theoretically win i think < 1358801651 389938 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Gregor_horriblest: 8.4 < 1358801651 867436 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :50 of em? < 1358801653 833939 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul < 1358801658 331479 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1358801699 846796 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :muahahah slowrush still surviving, but that's probably only because the hill is too big < 1358801700 373219 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1358801711 573484 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't do too well these days though < 1358801739 158652 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor FFSPG is all the way down at #12 :( < 1358801752 4491 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when it was king of the hill. < 1358801776 278297 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i confess i never believed the game would get this far < 1358801801 935676 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :though in part that was due to the interpreter limits < 1358801815 663570 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i didn't think anyone would actually take the time to write huge like xbox programs < 1358801845 846374 :md_5!md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1358802082 64378 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like a hell of a game < 1358802114 655184 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1358802178 104906 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhey < 1358802180 818190 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Snowyowl < 1358802182 506086 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snowyowl: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1358802183 556411 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome md_5 < 1358802184 771023 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :md_5: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1358802198 234658 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like `goodbye md_5 < 1358802198 718475 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1358802252 826319 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :question to any bfjoust gurus in here: what happens if the bf program terminates? < 1358802263 715351 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just sits there < 1358802268 117932 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the bot just stop doing anything for the rest of the game? < 1358802278 992299 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust lol . < 1358802281 886600 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for myndzi_lol: 4.6 < 1358802283 645715 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even remember if . is valid < 1358802289 190530 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1358802299 131820 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.6? Is that out of 10 or 100? < 1358802309 361605 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's based on some algorithm i don't remember < 1358802312 897088 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means it won a couple games < 1358802321 272681 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably programs that skip the first decoy < 1358802329 978638 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it did nothing and still beat someone < 1358802331 576361 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means they skipped over the flag and ran off the end < 1358802334 140899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The maximum is 100, though. < 1358802336 66668 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1358802351 862905 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually am happy that i got to contribute to the development of this game :) < 1358802355 720412 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always felt like i missed out on corewars < 1358802368 791885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Points" is just raw duel points from -84 to 84, but "score" is more complicated: http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/SCORES < 1358802385 311695 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.6 is really low anyway < 1358802390 890790 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at the hill < 1358802408 83067 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :top score tends to approach 60 < 1358802435 373917 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bottom one still on the hill is 16.95 < 1358802439 248228 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :not including the last one submitted < 1358802467 638861 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even want to bother figuring out what the top programs are doing anymore < 1358802468 907312 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1358802484 928587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them have descriptions. < 1358802495 501314 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i just looked up the strategy page on the wiki < 1358802612 968423 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf internet why do i keep getting disconnected < 1358802638 196041 :Taneb!02619461@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.97.148.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358802646 43855 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same bounce on the other networks < 1358802995 545740 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust preconceived_notions (>)*10[-][-.] < 1358802998 613272 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Snowyowl_preconceived_notions: 4.9 < 1358803016 467471 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo, 0.3 better than doing nothing < 1358803032 87438 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1358803040 573342 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i miss the beginnings when the warriors were simple :( < 1358803048 471013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote back in high school a guy printed out the entire script of portal 1 and was reading it out during a field trip. it's possible i'm mentally scarred < 1358803051 490189 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :926) back in high school a guy printed out the entire script of portal 1 and was reading it out during a field trip. it's possible i'm mentally scarred < 1358803060 28989 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, oh christ < 1358803064 477385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of person was he < 1358803074 222743 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw whoever designed the visualization for the javascript interpreter did an excellent job < 1358803076 144596 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of person who would do quote 926 < 1358803079 621202 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor < 1358803088 830008 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan are you that guy i know??? < 1358803090 189090 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a javascript interpreter? < 1358803109 246289 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/ < 1358803113 387728 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :and debugger :o < 1358803134 339670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: doubtful, do you know many norwegians who haven't been outside the country for a decade? < 1358803147 718646 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm no < 1358803154 510133 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the purpose of bfjoust? < 1358803158 711657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :game < 1358803189 654138 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you play it < 1358803199 649163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it came out of agora nomic. your question is thus meaningless. < 1358803204 5991 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :purpose is to capture the flag < 1358803204 732024 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1358803210 353354 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather < 1358803218 989687 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically like Team Fortress 2 < 1358803219 713502 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want the opponent's flag position to equal 0 for a full cycle < 1358803237 804369 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :each cell is a byte value initialized to 0; flags initialize to 128 < 1358803260 177187 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tape length used to be random, but now results are calculated for every tape length < 1358803263 955395 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cheesegrater [+[-]+] < 1358803268 289907 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for FreeFull_cheesegrater: 9.1 < 1358803269 894995 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :10-30 or something? i forget < 1358803271 293138 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cheesegrater +[+[-]+] < 1358803275 836374 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for FreeFull_cheesegrater: 8.3 < 1358803281 51244 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit < 1358803288 561298 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing it decreased my score =P < 1358803299 19601 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually runs twice for every tape length < 1358803303 711986 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :once as written for both programs < 1358803308 133167 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one with + and - swapped for one program < 1358803309 200306 :Taneb!02619461@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.97.148.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: BF Joust is a hat simulator? < 1358803319 332706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust prehistoric_notions (>)*10([-]>]*-1 < 1358803322 122289 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_prehistoric_notions: 0.0 < 1358803323 387016 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is to eliminate the necessity/possibility of biasing programs with + or - < 1358803332 82930 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :failto) < 1358803344 399994 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like my program that wins every single time as long as the tape length is exactly 11 < 1358803352 488758 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust cheesegrater +[-]-[+] < 1358803357 51619 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1358803357 270683 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for FreeFull_cheesegrater: 8.3 < 1358803368 243853 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :most programs assume that it's safe to move 11 < 1358803374 412458 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :since if they're wrong they only give up one loss < 1358803374 933678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1358803379 594596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust prehistoric_notions (>)*10([-]>)*-1 < 1358803382 328892 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_prehistoric_notions: 17.0 < 1358803386 494577 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :and programs that don't modify the tape before their flag aren't that effective < 1358803399 290561 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hovercraft (>)*9[[-]>] < 1358803401 65529 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a fair bet that you can skip the first modification you find up to 11 or so < 1358803402 68255 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for boily_hovercraft: 4.0 < 1358803417 645591 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust hovercraft (>)*9[[-.]>] < 1358803420 466578 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for boily_hovercraft: 4.0 < 1358803431 430747 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I forgot to make mine move =P < 1358803437 358334 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the numbers < 1358803443 864129 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :points(?) < 1358803448 804257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not points, score! < 1358803452 480644 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in boily's code < 1358803453 34696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[23:06:08] "Points" is just raw duel points from -84 to 84, but "score" is more complicated: http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/SCORES < 1358803455 923455 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And oerjan's < 1358803457 237614 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :scuse me < 1358803459 909634 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, score :P < 1358803470 923237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(xxx)*N is just "repeat N times". < 1358803490 241669 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1358803500 935103 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody should set up a clean hill so these guys can have some fun < 1358803501 451577 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1358803512 56856 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :freefull: I can't believe your program always commits suicide in 260 moves and it still beats mine sometimes < 1358803517 235527 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And (aa{bb}cc)%3 is aa aa aa bb cc cc cc. < 1358803518 266862 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snowyowl: :D < 1358803538 733724 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust >+[-] < 1358803539 902109 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1358803545 826329 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust floppity >+[-] < 1358803549 77108 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for FreeFull_floppity: 3.6 < 1358803559 42294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also [shameless plug] more stats at http://zem.fi/egostats/ but it doesn't update live, so it's a few weeks old. < 1358803559 261304 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust floppity >+[-]>-[+] < 1358803562 821190 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for FreeFull_floppity: 3.6 < 1358803577 718147 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, the plots are interesting! < 1358803580 515502 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the proper marketing bfjoust could be the next Call of Duty < 1358803630 560853 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :'sieve' and 'kettle'? < 1358803641 403240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are the two polarities. < 1358803650 545214 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you lose as soon as your cell is zero, or do you lose if you cell is zero and your program isn't running at that point? < 1358803657 824256 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is which? < 1358803662 940504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is the straight one, other is where the other program has all its +s flipped to -ses and vice versa. < 1358803666 140624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always forget. < 1358803668 324000 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i figured that's what it would be < 1358803669 76410 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1358803680 964236 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :they need better names then :P < 1358803687 924466 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :really cool though < 1358803692 690074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I even forget the terms, I had to look them up when writing those descriptions. < 1358803693 521805 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sieve is obviously reality prime < 1358803701 490933 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And kettle is space < 1358803708 846215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The polarity where both programs run on their original polarity is sometimes known as "sieve", and the exchanged polarity as "kettle"." < 1358803723 723371 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever came up with that needs a beating < 1358803724 206197 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1358803741 83396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to blame elliott, but I'm not certain it's his fault. < 1358803781 321666 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I strongly suspect that it is. < 1358803798 537173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2009-05-27 22:31:26] ais523: Polarities: sieve, kettle. < 1358803803 663473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(First hit from grep.) < 1358803809 281910 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1358803818 33010 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus that's a long time ago < 1358803824 960586 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ehird < 1358803825 443883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you lose if your cell is zero two rounds in a row < 1358803826 649097 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1358803845 875295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird = elliott < 1358803874 351239 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust booooooring (>)*9((+*128.)>)*21 < 1358803877 735835 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Snowyowl_booooooring: 0.0 < 1358803893 14050 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not right < 1358803913 415452 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did I screw up < 1358803932 339697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snowyowl: i'm not sure the parentheses before * are optional even with a single command < 1358803934 335117 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all quite addictive < 1358803936 630923 :Taneb!02619461@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.97.148.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn ehird is the person who Taneb definitely isn't. < 1358803953 470624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They're not optional, no. < 1358803956 891208 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1358803971 678768 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right - parenthesis in the wrong place < 1358803978 533540 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>)*9((+)*128.>)*21 < 1358804000 494896 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust really_boring (>)*9((+*128.)>)*21 < 1358804004 302180 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Snowyowl_really_boring: 0.0 < 1358804013 471493 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamnit < 1358804018 780912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It keeps happening. < 1358804026 194924 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snowyowl: You have a syntax error. < 1358804028 203713 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT : < 1358804037 448611 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*n can only come after a ) < 1358804040 187733 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust warned_you_bro (>)*9((+)*128.>)*21 < 1358804043 181088 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Snowyowl_warned_you_bro: 3.8 < 1358804043 664973 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1358804062 211529 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.8? I'll stick to my infinite chain of no-ops. < 1358804069 262118 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-5-5.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1358804069 593221 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-5-5.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1358804069 593368 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1358804095 556586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust preposterous_notions (>)*10([-]>.)*-1 < 1358804097 993194 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_preposterous_notions: 13.4 < 1358804106 906061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that became worse < 1358804110 898704 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which I mean myndzi's infinite chain of no-ops < 1358804122 645790 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1358804123 691720 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1358804125 153623 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, *-1 makes it repeat forever < 1358804128 243511 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1358804135 155524 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1358804139 920018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially yes < 1358804142 624534 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably makes it repeat 4294967296 times < 1358804153 723724 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust ventilateur (>)*9([-{([+{[-]}])%8}])%4 < 1358804156 286153 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for boily_ventilateur: 4.4 < 1358804156 923500 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, *-1 is just a number so large that it's infinite for all practical purposes. < 1358804162 559420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's something like 10000 < 1358804163 43631 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good enough, the game only lasts 10,000 turns < 1358804211 122323 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-10.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1358804247 241341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust preposterous_notions ((>)*4+>)*2([-]>)*-1 < 1358804249 893452 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_preposterous_notions: 15.9 < 1358804295 390791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it's actually pushing my other one down :( < 1358804314 247976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust preposterous_notions < < 1358804318 394332 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_preposterous_notions: 0.0 < 1358804325 255273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's exactly the number of turns, if I recall correctly. < 1358804330 784633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I think that was 100k and not 10k. < 1358804346 856332 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's special-cased? < 1358804354 860067 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :seemed like the kind of thing someone just tried and happened to work < 1358804363 124485 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, -1 interpreted as an unsigned int < 1358804365 535379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might have been the origin of it. < 1358804394 740569 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was definitely not the origin, since the original interpreter canonicalized. < 1358804400 179315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the original, ()* was expanded during parsing. < 1358804410 897295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1358804417 178750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is special-cased currently. < 1358804426 176922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if (c < 0) c = MAXCYCLES;) < 1358804436 54906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently any negative number is okay.) < 1358804491 19845 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does *0 just mean "lol I put code in for no reason" < 1358804584 637725 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snowyowl: Or, alternately, comment. < 1358804639 403294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust preposterous_notions (>)*10([-][+]>)*-1 < 1358804642 346298 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_preposterous_notions: 13.4 < 1358804683 486403 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :any of you guys ever messed around with editing apk files? < 1358804710 713310 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i evolved myself a keyboard layout that i want to try on my phone, but i can't seem to edit it into swiftkey quite properly < 1358804779 331802 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :(swiftkey because it is awesome, and it'd be kind of pointless to hack a layout into a soft keyboard i didn't want to use) < 1358804780 536418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust preposterous_notions (>)*10([-{.}]>)%-1 < 1358804783 535856 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_preposterous_notions: 3.9 < 1358804793 225631 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems fairly easy, each layout is a separate xml file < 1358804810 488473 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just changing the values caused it to force close every time i click a submenu < 1358804856 610686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checksum trouble? < 1358804870 237565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust preposterous_notions (>)*10([-{.}]>+)%-1 < 1358804872 934063 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for oerjan_preposterous_notions: 1.1 < 1358804873 895142 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1358804876 587154 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it installs and launches < 1358804878 802991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1358804909 83343 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it was a built-in-to-the-program checksum kinda thing, which i doubt, it wouldn't force close i think < 1358805359 204494 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, looks like SK is actually active on twitter, maybe i'll ask them < 1358805373 511428 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that twitter seems to be down and i can't log in < 1358805374 40774 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1358805385 682917 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, twitter *login* seems to be down < 1358805645 673214 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358805659 499190 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 45k/year decent for someone with my experience? < 1358805665 489907 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I flat out have no idea < 1358805699 823102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like 30,000? < 1358805715 851786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that's roughly the average wage in the UK but living costs etc. < 1358805738 927778 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still happy that I got a call from a potential employer < 1358805745 652923 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thecontributor.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/images/20131401143736.jpg here let's consult the wall street journal < 1358805748 671131 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and congrats. < 1358805757 86657 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They want me to add some stuff to my resume that I didn't mention on the resume < 1358805834 319497 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, so is the joke here that they have a zero too many. < 1358805851 977566 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, all those people are making six figures in a year < 1358805857 772202 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that a bit, excessive? < 1358805864 861612 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke here is that fuck the wsj < 1358805877 912612 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬u¬ < 1358805885 202031 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but uh i have no idea how reasonable $45k is sorry) < 1358805935 210608 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust simple + < 1358805938 759548 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for FreeFull_simple: 3.6 < 1358805976 517604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1358805976 736722 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1358806410 741593 :Taneb!02619461@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.97.148.97 QUIT : < 1358806546 741937 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure where I'm going to fit the term "jQuery" on my resume < 1358806552 740143 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't exactly a programming language < 1358806560 708827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop the categories < 1358806565 623212 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want to have that on your resume? < 1358806582 411039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's massively useful and widely used? < 1358806583 477700 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: "proficient in the following technologies" < 1358806590 913691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't even put aheading on it < 1358806598 604889 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that < 1358806610 715951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :== things what i done be good at == < 1358806612 27531 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, because employer asked me to < 1358806614 965871 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the 100th time: your resume is an advertisement, it's not a pedantically organized character sheet < 1358806640 132086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :its sole purpose is to make you look good enough to get a phone call < 1358806647 712390 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the phone call though. < 1358806650 443551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1358806654 316994 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get more phone calls, then < 1358806657 140597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why are you still adjusting your resume? < 1358806665 335573 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They told me to add things to it < 1358806667 433292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1358806668 484999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1358806680 177303 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I know you stated you had experience working with JavaScript and jQuery so I would need you to add these two skill sets within your resume. I also need you to add your C# experience within your resume, along with sending me your github account and blog info as well." < 1358806694 746917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't make any sense to me < 1358806702 447674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a big company or small? < 1358806707 111791 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're about to sell you to someone else < 1358806709 108259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tgather small < 1358806711 404416 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gather < 1358806715 815114 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this employer sounds a bit dubious < 1358806722 197017 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person is a "Recruiting Manager" < 1358806728 10963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like a third party recruiter may be involved and those people are basically the devil < 1358806730 89180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i would know with my EXTENSIVE EXPERIENCE IN PROGRAMMING-RELATED EMPLOYMENT < 1358806745 82231 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you old enough to legally be employed yet? < 1358806751 687020 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um I guess so < 1358806773 896937 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo, if you get eaten by an HR manager, can I have your stuff < 1358806774 138381 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well, I gather that it's for a specific position, of {possibly full-time or possibly contractor} < 1358806825 762269 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I think it is a third party thing < 1358806844 893942 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Company of the person: http://www.momentumrs.com/ Company of the potential place of employment: http://www.jefferies.com/ < 1358806870 457805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Momentum Resource Solutions is a leading provider of Technology, Financial and Human Resource staffing and consulting services and solutions. Momentum's clients operate in many sectors including Financial Services, Pharmaceutical, Insurance, Legal, Telecommunications and Technology. < 1358806871 299891 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: they don't have the same address < 1358806875 267958 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill me now < 1358806877 188004 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that looks boring < 1358806882 399034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We provide professional services in the following areas: < 1358806882 617781 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Staff Augmentation < 1358806882 617909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technology < 1358806882 617971 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accounting < 1358806882 618042 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Auditing Recruiting < 1358806883 363561 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :money is money, i guess < 1358806885 344499 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compliance < 1358806887 349667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brokerage Operations < 1358806889 969075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Human Resources Project Management < 1358806891 232415 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott no < 1358806892 460530 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outsourcing < 1358806894 885409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antispam Exchange < 1358806897 580323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Managed Services < 1358806900 569084 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo we've lost him! < 1358806901 582984 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Compliance" sounds ominous < 1358806915 677491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the four alignments for creature kind entry in Icosahedral RPG shall be: U (unaligned), S (stereotype), A (always), and X (don't care). S is most common for intelligent beings, and U for normal animals. < 1358806915 917112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is about to do some antispam exchange if this continues < 1358806940 901518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think you'll find that f u < 1358806957 322359 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anitspam exchange? < 1358806972 86072 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help maybe talking about this in a publically logged channel is a bad idea < 1358806973 895682 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exchanging spam with antispam, then harvesting the resulting annihilation energy < 1358806987 965861 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: its ok < 1358806991 389538 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: they won't google for "sgeo" < 1358806994 185497 :md_5!md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358806996 195232 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you put "sgeo" on your resume??? < 1358807010 569367 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I am planning on linking to my GitHub and Tumblr, both of which mention Sgeo < 1358807028 882163 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tumblrs as employment thing... that's pretty ominous < 1358807038 818710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered: starting accounts under your own name < 1358807041 822911 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a form of blog, they ask if I have a technical blog and I do < 1358807062 162061 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have got to remember to never get employed in this business < 1358807075 224501 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't tell them it was a tumblr yet < 1358807085 392716 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something wrong with using tumblr as a blog? < 1358807090 112274 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I read "form of blog" as farming blog < 1358807096 191293 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, no, i'm just thinking of my own tumblr < 1358807097 989836 :Snowyowl!5c6b415a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.107.65.90 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1358807134 381553 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: sgeos farmville days are behind him < 1358807148 350196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: recruiters are the devil, you're lucky that they even asked you to modify your resume rather than modifying it themselves < 1358807152 136620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because you used latex < 1358807156 532630 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1358807162 652657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not even joking :( < 1358807170 232160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how did you contact the company? < 1358807171 200712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is kmc the devil < 1358807173 494274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :through dice.com or something < 1358807175 977299 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, i just find true things amusing < 1358807187 33479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did you know... 4 + 9 = 13 < 1358807188 287848 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, honestly I don't even remember < 1358807188 788129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be better to email jobs@wherever.com if this seems viable < 1358807201 68849 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can just print/tippex/scribble/scan < 1358807221 357722 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: psh only in one base < 1358807222 289618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I've heard of people getting rejected because they "lied on their resume" when these lies were added by recruiters < 1358807230 812120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the recruiter's incentives are not aligned with anyone else's < 1358807237 983036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: how... did you forget in the space of not very long < 1358807249 813930 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i want to hear about this, why the hell would a recruiter /modify/ your resume? < 1358807270 451487 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to increase the chance that you get the job and they get their bounty < 1358807276 492732 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I misspoke on the phone interview < 1358807277 241100 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1358807281 826887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have no incentive to find a good fit or an employee who won't get fired after 2 months < 1358807283 130461 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, bounties < 1358807301 354584 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :capitalism's a hell of a drug < 1358807302 277606 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I said that everything except Evolution was on my own initiative, but forgot about Circe which also was someone else's project < 1358807302 641705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they think you have no chance getting in with a legit resume, there's no cost to them to add lies < 1358807326 384146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they are sometimes gaming the system set up by clueless buzzword-searching HR departments < 1358807346 765978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they add some value in that they are better at gaming this system than naive, hand-wringing, pedantic correctness obsessed programmers ;) < 1358807349 510846 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, arguably, they are helping me improve my resyme < 1358807352 684312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah maybe < 1358807359 278060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe they're trying to kill you and shit on your corpse < 1358807364 106183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can never tell < 1358807364 404742 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding jquery seems pretty reasonable < 1358807366 783795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does < 1358807369 6597 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well the cost is that it might be illegal(?) right < 1358807372 689120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I doubt that's a very big cost < 1358807376 889391 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And listing my Senior Project too < 1358807382 319472 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since breaking laws is pretty safe! < 1358807390 915732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it illegaly? < 1358807396 610587 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's not so reasonable is asking me to mention Javascript when I already mentioned Javascript < 1358807397 375438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's what the (?) is for < 1358807400 631517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be at least < 1358807401 976012 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i don't know < 1358807415 278613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like it would fall under the crime of LYING < 1358807419 257524 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!11 < 1358807554 656661 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: like, they said, "add javascript" and you already have javascript? < 1358807605 200293 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they must think it's good to have javascript listen twice < 1358807614 772010 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in my industry related activities I didn't exactly list when I did Javascript stuff < 1358807616 120747 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if my resume lists javascript < 1358807640 245968 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1358807650 818412 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might have done almost as much vbscript as javascript, should I list that? < 1358807712 240965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: list mod_rewrite thue imo < 1358807866 544831 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :vbscript probably belongs in the list of things I don't remember if I know/knew, but have vague recollections I might have known, along with REXX < 1358807990 594873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358807999 449185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1358808044 504747 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: good idea < 1358808046 425675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hopes this is not one of those disconnections that plagued much of last year < 1358808099 306436 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :last year was plagued by time travelling disconnections from this year? < 1358808129 677699 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-170-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secretely, oerjan is John Titor. < 1358808260 968810 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1358808287 556136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+kind of < 1358808460 302892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can any computer game you can set the friendly AI mode to, try to make you to lose? < 1358808608 487152 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1358808646 366422 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1358810508 484366 :md_5!md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1358810722 313427 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358810938 965213 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1358811084 676070 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1358811115 562830 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1358811502 506833 :md_5!md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358811592 317644 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358811885 358220 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which here bot has 'seen' < 1358811896 896653 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik none < 1358811898 343840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1358811902 163690 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use HackEgo < 1358811905 315138 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by doing e.g. `pastelogs < 1358811912 994563 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :could add a `seen directly I guess < 1358811938 749360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i have total logs anyway < 1358812042 68141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :totalitarian logs < 1358812056 592556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/pastelogs < 1358812057 595524 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ cd /var/irclogs/_esoteric \ \ pasterandom() { \ if [ "$1" -gt 150 ]; then \ echo "No." \ exit \ fi \ for i in $(seq "$1"); do \ file=$(shuf -en 1 ????-??-??.txt) \ echo "$file:$(shuf -n 1 $file)" \ done | paste \ } \ \ if [ "$1" ]; then \ if expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1; then \ < 1358812084 60143 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tail /var/irclogs/_esoteric/2013-01-01.txt < 1358812085 263219 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:44:47: monqy: no!! it's about uh clojure \ 23:45:02: are you confusing me for sgeo. i don't know clojure........ \ 23:45:34: do you know lens......... \ 23:45:39: : ) \ 23:45:54: : ) \ 23:46:01: : ) \ 23:47:45: ion knows lens. \ 23:48:27: (If I start a line with a space it < 1358812103 721339 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1358812126 36311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "#!/bin/sh" >bin/seen; echo 'grep "^..:..:..: <$1>" /var/irclogs/_esoteric/????-??-??.txt | tail -n 1' >>bin/seen; chmod +x bin/seen < 1358812128 729347 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1358812132 907360 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen ion < 1358812136 523986 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/var/irclogs/_esoteric/2013-01-21.txt:23:48:23: k < 1358812147 565129 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen HackEgo < 1358812151 794405 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/var/irclogs/_esoteric/2013-01-21.txt:23:48:56: ​/var/irclogs/_esoteric/2013-01-21.txt:23:48:23: k < 1358812157 3300 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen HackEgo < 1358812160 954980 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/var/irclogs/_esoteric/2013-01-21.txt:23:49:11: ​/var/irclogs/_esoteric/2013-01-21.txt:23:48:56: ​/var/irclogs/_esoteric/2013-01-21.txt:23:48:23: k < 1358812181 400584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log hm < 1358812187 35395 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-07-29.txt:12:43:43: fizzie, hm there is /dev/binder opened as fd 3, and there were a lot of ioctls done on that < 1358812191 960254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "#!/bin/sh" >bin/seen; echo 'cd /var/irclogs/_esoteric' >>/bin/seen; echo 'grep "^..:..:..: <$1>" ????-??-??.txt | tail -n 1' >>bin/seen; chmod +x bin/seen < 1358812194 923199 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: /bin/seen: Read-only file system < 1358812199 250157 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: help < 1358812265 192183 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1358812286 905735 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :read-only file system!? < 1358812294 225920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (echo ...; echo ...) >bin/seen is shorter < 1358812309 283756 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf '%s\n' ... ... >bin/seen is shorter < 1358812312 850211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're shorter < 1358812317 789377 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "#!/bin/sh" >bin/seen; echo 'cd /var/irclogs/_esoteric' >>/bin/seen; echo 'grep "^..:..:..: <$1>" ????-??-??.txt | tail -n 1' >>bin/seen; chmod +x bin/seen < 1358812319 22804 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: /bin/seen: Read-only file system < 1358812328 136443 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-5-5.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1358812328 355351 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-5-5.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1358812328 355510 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1358812342 360113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run pwd < 1358812343 610374 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1358812348 696848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1358812349 179129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1358812350 536236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"/bin/seen: < 1358812351 497722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1358812357 869041 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "#!/bin/sh" >bin/seen; echo 'cd /var/irclogs/_esoteric' >>bin/seen; echo 'grep "^..:..:..: <$1>" ????-??-??.txt | tail -n 1' >>bin/seen; chmod +x bin/seen < 1358812361 103883 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1358812366 527263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen elliott < 1358812372 837931 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-01-21.txt:23:52:46: `seen elliott < 1358812387 233411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hth < 1358812390 115636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen lament < 1358812393 565566 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-07-18.txt:18:17:18: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1358812401 478243 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament indeed < 1358812409 144828 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen oerjan_ < 1358812412 805748 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-12-03.txt:21:43:21: boo < 1358812418 688310 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen elliott_ < 1358812418 929519 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen .* < 1358812422 501405 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-10-08.txt:11:31:58: pikhq_: Hey, is Nvidia or ATI better supported by Linux this month? < 1358812425 994642 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Dude, you can't write to /bin X_X < 1358812442 150173 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes yes < 1358812444 200339 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I should optimis ethis < 1358812449 431934 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1358812451 82587 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could use fgrep < 1358812454 926396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and search in reverse order < 1358812462 58036 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1358812463 378151 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen mtve < 1358812466 652807 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-05-05.txt:11:38:06: other examples needed badly < 1358812474 844291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i like allowing regexps < 1358812477 969396 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen renslo < 1358812481 356441 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1358812486 462280 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok you make it search in reverse order then < 1358812493 516834 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, my evil twin has not been here < 1358812494 975806 :sivoais!~zaki@c-98-198-132-238.hsd1.tx.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358812504 60029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1358812549 554913 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '%s\n' '#!/bin/sh' "find /var/irclogs/_esoteric -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type f -name ' < 1358812550 797687 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1358812552 475474 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops < 1358812675 285007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '%s\n' what is this < 1358812676 434182 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :what \ is \ this < 1358812683 207526 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '%s\n' '#!/bin/sh' "find /var/irclogs/_esoteric -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type f -name '????-??-??.txt' | sort -r | xargs -d'\n' -r grep '^..:..:..: <"'$1'">' -- | tail -n 1" >bin/seen; chmod 755 bin/seen; cat bin/seen < 1358812685 788897 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ find /var/irclogs/_esoteric -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type f -name '????-??-??.txt' | sort -r | xargs -d'\n' -r grep '^..:..:..: <$1>' -- | tail -n 1 < 1358812732 688071 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '%s\n' '#!/bin/sh' "find /var/irclogs/_esoteric -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type f -name '????-??-??.txt' | sort -r | xargs -d'\n' -r grep \"^..:..:..: <"'$1'">\" -- | tail -n 1" >bin/seen; chmod 755 bin/seen; cat bin/seen < 1358812735 830582 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ find /var/irclogs/_esoteric -mindepth 1 -maxdepth 1 -type f -name '????-??-??.txt' | sort -r | xargs -d'\n' -r grep "^..:..:..: <$1>" -- | tail -n 1 < 1358812741 228257 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen elliott < 1358812749 780167 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/var/irclogs/_esoteric/2009-07-27.txt:00:11:06: 112 days since use, excellent < 1358812765 709735 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :d’oh < 1358812785 195751 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen bike < 1358812789 610924 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1358812797 923186 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< i am the invisible man