00:00:01 oerjan: oh, right. otherwise a square that was initially empty can never be written to from out, but if the ip enters a square that's empty it will exit without performing any writing... 00:02:48 zzo38: well partial orders over a finite set are basically trees 00:03:02 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 00:04:06 no they are not. 00:04:15 oh? 00:04:25 . 00:04:29 / \ 00:04:35 / \ 00:04:38 ohhh 00:04:39 right 00:04:40 .------. 00:04:42 ok ok 00:04:53 dags, then 00:05:11 darn miscounted 00:05:30 but that's almost like trees 00:05:33 since it's oriented 00:05:50 . 00:05:52 / \ 00:05:53 / \ 00:06:04 after all we do talk about "genealogy trees" even though they're not trees either 00:06:23 They're not? 00:06:51 well I can be the descendant of two people which are cousins 00:06:55 * oerjan gently teaches Bike about incest 00:07:24 * Arc_Koen didn't even realized there was something wrong with that 00:07:25 * oerjan notes he may have been unusually creepy today 00:07:33 they're directed acyclic graphs, right...? 00:07:47 Fiora: barring time travel hth 00:07:53 * Gregor gently teaches oerjan that we're ALL cousins. 00:08:04 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA 00:08:13 Gregor: I thought we were all brothers and sisters. 00:08:20 kinky 00:08:26 eew 00:08:30 true... the homestuck family geneology consists entirely of cycles 00:08:40 Did you read that one story by Heinlein? 00:08:43 oh, i was confusing dags with possibly cyclic graphs, durr. 00:08:46 The only way you can be the child of two people who are not cousins (and it's just a matter of terminology) is if they're siblings, uncles/aunts/nieces/nephews, or direct linear descendents/ancestors. 00:08:50 i read of it, that's just as good 00:09:07 shachaf: he wrote a few about time travel fuckery? you probably mean all you zombies though 00:09:13 Yes. 00:09:21 On the topic of family graphs. 00:09:26 it's the only one with actual time travel fuckery 00:09:26 Family monoids? 00:09:38 family rings 00:09:38 @google the man who folded himself 00:09:39 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Folded_Himself 00:09:39 Title: The Man Who Folded Himself - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 00:09:41 also notable 00:09:58 if only heinlein wasn't a complete arsehole 00:10:07 Phantom_Hoover: I'm pretty sure back to the future is about marty having sex with his mother 00:10:12 then we could read his stories about spacetime incest in peace. 00:10:19 What was that other time travel thing he wrote? 00:10:41 By the way, white folk (probably most of you), did you know that you're part neanderthal? It's true! 00:11:04 i was thinking of... i forget the title, time enough for love maybe? i think he has sex with his mother, and also twin clones of himself or something 00:11:17 By His Bootstraps is the on I was thinking of there. 00:11:17 is there any racial group that isn't part neanderthal? 00:11:19 all at the same time? 00:11:24 Fiora: African. 00:11:29 ahhhh 00:11:30 Also The Door Into Summer. That was a good one. 00:11:45 homo sapiens purity. purge the nonafricans 00:12:17 Well I, for one, find it fascinating, so nyaa. 00:12:27 zzo38: so maybe you can have each line be an ordered list of prefixes 00:12:35 -!- ogrom has joined. 00:12:49 zzo38: and some "debugger" would tell you if there are redundancies 00:13:27 Arc_Koen: OK. I can try that. 00:13:30 Gregor, um 00:13:44 though I'm not sure whether redundancy is good or bad 00:13:55 isn't the point at which the human ancestor pool merges at most a few millenia ago 00:14:56 kmc: Did you read _The Door Into Summer_? 00:15:04 zzo38: additionally the 'debugger' could also warn you of "nodes" which are not at the beginning of a line 00:15:32 Phantom_Hoover: It's closer to 200,000 years. 00:15:34 I think everyone has *some* Neanderthal ancestors, Africans just don't have many. 00:15:36 uh, not sure what I meant 00:15:42 Gregor, uhhhh, not what I'd heard. 00:16:46 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Adam // one ancestor is as recent as 60,000 years, but no more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve // the other, ~200,000 years. 00:17:02 that's not what they said in stargate 00:17:13 Gregor, those are *direct male and female lines*. 00:17:21 Adam and Eve were born 140,000 years apart? 00:17:45 I think in some episode they find a frozen human body that's a hundred million years or so old 00:18:00 Phantom_Hoover: The last real merge of humanity into a single pool was before the latest exodus from Africa (duh), and our intermingling with neanderthals just after it. 00:18:01 Gregor: Please use https: Wikipedia links. 00:18:03 "thanks" 00:18:07 ^rot13 Gregor 00:18:08 Tertbe 00:18:15 Gregor, doesn't have to be a single pool. 00:18:19 ^rot13 Gregory 00:18:20 Tertbel 00:18:31 One migrant can very quickly propagate their ancestry through an isolated population. 00:18:51 shachaf: yeah that's gotta count as statutory rape or something 00:19:30 Hmm, I suppose "born" isn't quite the right word to use there. 00:19:54 i thought the last common ancestor thing was at the bottleneck after that explosion in east asia. 00:20:02 Adam and Eve were born 140,000 years apart? <-- basically males tend to spread their genes faster than females, so the direct male lines also die out faster 00:20:05 Phantom_Hoover: The study they did found /no/ neanderthal genomes in modern Africans. 00:20:06 afaiu 00:20:13 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_recent_common_ancestor#MRCA_of_all_living_humans ? 00:20:23 (For the group they studied) 00:20:39 edwardk did that skew binary online LCA thing. 00:21:12 "The identical ancestors point for Homo sapiens has been estimated to between 15,000 and 5,000 years ago." 00:21:20 Gregor: Please use https: Wikipedia links. <-- please don't 00:21:39 (sure i can edit them by hand...) 00:21:41 Neanderthals died out around twice as far back. 00:22:10 oerjan: What's the matter with https:? 00:22:11 oerjan: do you mean males can use the 9-month pause in the spreading somewhere to start spreading elsewhere? 00:22:39 Arc_Koen: SOMETHING LIKE THAT 00:23:33 Phantom_Hoover: That statistic is contrary to everything else I have ever read, including in relevant college courses >_> 00:24:21 shachaf: oh hm when i tested now it worked fine, i'm still logged in and everything. 00:24:32 https: works great. 00:24:49 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:24:51 I bet oerjan is just the NSA trying to spy on my Wikipedia readin's. 00:24:57 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 00:27:20 Gregor: could be true though, that ancestor can be through mixed male and female lines after all, so not as restricted as "adam" and "eve" 00:28:03 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:28:37 and because of this, you cannot simply measure it by comparing dna like with the single-line inherited parts 00:29:37 heh, "It is incorrect to assume that the MRCA passed all of his or her genes (or indeed any gene) down to every person alive." 00:30:11 we could have a common ancestor that left no genes at all... 00:31:16 I like the Ship of Theseus mention 00:31:34 -!- ogrom has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:32:19 oerjan: of course at that point you're feeling the urge to do the math 00:32:21 -!- ogrom has joined. 00:32:34 oh identical ancestors point is something else again 00:33:41 in fact i think we discussed that very concept on the channel a while ago 00:33:51 (without the name) 00:35:03 So, it looks like all the stuff suggesting 15,000-5,000 years is based on computer models of human populations. 00:35:33 they didn't even bother to build a time machine to conduct the experiment? 00:35:35 Whereas the recent (2010) study finding neanderthal genes was, y'know, not models. It was people, and their genes. 00:35:59 Yes, but you haven't actually addressed the point about common ancestors not necessarily implying common genes. 00:36:20 Right, if there's sufficiently little flow then they can end up sort of flushing the last bits out anyway. 00:36:27 And still having neanderthals in their line. 00:37:41 ...so what're we disagreeing on? 00:37:47 I suppose we're not :) 00:37:59 I just preferred the original interpretation to the possibly-more-accurate one ;) 00:40:08 I suppose the accurate version is "you're descended from Neanderthals, but if you're African you might as well not be". 00:40:26 Yeah. 00:46:04 Arc_Koen: What did you mean, note not at the beginning of a line? 00:46:43 Why does the Haskell read function not allow comments? 00:47:30 zzo38: hmmm well imagine if you have a line "2 4 12 24 48" and another line "3 6 12 36" 00:47:39 then the two lines "cross" at 12 00:47:48 O, OK. 00:48:15 I'm not sure that's a problem; maybe crossing prefixes should be hilighted or something 00:49:05 because that makes 36 bigger than 2 00:49:56 so when you're for instance looking for "all prefixes bigger than 2" you might want not to scan all the lines, only the lines for which the first element is bigger than 2 00:50:20 sorry I did not mean "cross" I meant "merge" 00:50:22 i think what you want to avoid for redundancy is anything that can be deduced from transitivity. i.e. don't list adjacently any prefixes that have intermediate ones between them 00:50:40 so if you have 2 4 12, then 2 12 would not be allowed. 00:50:52 yes that's what I meant 00:51:04 oh and of course no adjacent pairs should be repeated 00:51:04 Well, perhaps it should still be allowed even though it is redundant, it could still be a warning. 00:51:31 But there is not allowed different ones equal in this context so that would be error. 00:51:34 though I'm not so sure it's such a bad thing - maybe you very much want one prefix to be lower than another, notwithstanding intermediate prefixes 00:52:24 Arc_Koen: um that's an automatic consequence, since this is a partial order 00:52:28 it should of course check for cycles and stuff 00:52:29 One idea I have is, every line only lists what is lesser, and some things are deduced from transitivity 00:53:00 I wanted to use Haskell format, but the read function doesn't allow comments, so I won't use that. 00:53:06 you only need to list things that are "closest neighbors" 00:53:11 oerjan: I'm talking about "maintainability" of the partial order description file :) 00:53:25 well ok 00:54:14 Well, this file will contain more than just the partial order. 00:56:51 although i am also thinking you might want to have groupings. for example if you have 1 4, 1 5, 1 6, 2 4, 2 5, 2 6, 3 4, 3 5, 3 6 then it would be shorter to say that all of 1 2 and 3 are smaller than all of 4 5 and 6 if you can name groups. 00:58:01 hm this is almost essentially the same problem as how to design a more flexible way of giving haskell operator precedences 00:58:23 oerjan: oh you only make pairs? 00:58:30 I was thinking you could make whole lines 00:58:41 ie compress 1 2, 2 3, 3 4 as 1 2 3 4 00:58:43 oerjan: I really think the operator precedences ought to be surreal numbers. 00:58:52 Arc_Koen: that was just in that example, which had no lines to make 00:59:49 maybe you could make 1 2 3 an equivalency class if they share the same properties 00:59:52 zzo38: ...but those are totally ordered, which may be unsuitable... oh well right, there are other issues with operators. 00:59:57 -!- kallisti has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 01:00:08 and maybe you could give a scope to that class if they don't have all their properties in common 01:01:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:02:40 I don't know exactly what the file syntax should be, although probably not Haskell because its read function does not parse comments. 01:03:35 But I did think of the idea to make the partial ordering, but if you have a better idea you can specify your ideas too. 01:05:28 what is the ordering be used for anyway? 01:06:25 Well, it is an optional feature (programs using this file are not required to support it), but can be used to define "baby pokemon" according to the definition I used, if you want to use that definition. 01:14:33 Would you like this: this_prefix(lesser_prefixes): "text" url 01:17:04 The URL can be any internet URL, telephone, postal address, or ISBN. 01:17:38 Perhaps also allow Tor domains. 01:17:46 -!- jfischoff has joined. 01:18:02 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 01:18:24 If the list of lesser prefixes is empty you omit the parentheses; if you include them with nothing in between, it includes a single entry which is the empty (Nintendo) prefix. 01:20:25 The URL and text is recommended to be ASCII, although Unicode is allowed (including Conscripts), however they must be encoded using ASCII format: For URL, encoding using % or punycode. For text, encoded using Haskell string literal syntax. 01:20:45 somehow i'm thinking the other way around would be more logical, with () meaning empty, since it is explicit 01:20:46 Comments have # at front of the line. 01:21:27 oerjan: Well, maybe... 01:26:12 Still, I am thinking () is a single blank prefix, because the entries separated by commas, and so no comma = 1 entry, which is blank. 01:26:20 That is why I did it that way. 01:30:25 @wn avuncular 01:30:26 *** "avuncular" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 01:30:26 avuncular 01:30:26 adj 1: resembling a uncle in kindness or indulgence 01:30:26 2: being or relating to an uncle 01:32:34 oerjan: Why do you think other way is really more logical? 01:33:28 oh hey, i remember that word from anthropology class. are you still looking up MRCA stuff? 01:35:33 zzo38: well i guess it's intuitive from what () means in haskell, like in import lists and tuples. 01:36:23 Well, yes but if it is Haskell we would use square brackets because it is a list. 01:36:43 i guess C tends to use more of () as "use defaults" sometimes 01:36:48 zzo38: not in import lists 01:37:12 oerjan: Well, yes, in import lists () does mean an empty list, and nothing at all means, it is everything. 01:37:43 -!- Arc_Koen has quit (Quit: Arc_Koen). 01:39:00 And even if it is Haskell, this isn't an import list anyways. 01:40:21 more like an inheritance list. but haskell has (A a, B a) => for that instead. 01:40:59 No, it isn't an inheritance list either; it is only a partial ordering. 01:41:18 oh well 01:41:38 * oerjan no good argue about not facts 01:41:50 hi oerjan 01:41:58 hi shachaf 01:42:07 you look very avuncular today 01:42:32 Even then, for an inheritance list, omitting it does not mean it inherits everything or meaning it inherits anything which it will not inherit if you do include the list. And with import lists, no () means import everything, which is also different to mine. 01:42:51 So, either way, it doesn't work. 01:45:14 Now you may see what my logic is, although other ideas are still possible, such as something before or after each item, so you explicitly know the empty item. 01:52:11 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 02:04:06 The file "interlocks.h" for Csound, is I cannot find a document of it, but I look at the other codes to try to figure it out, but still I don't know what SB and _QQ mean, and some codes also use 0x20 as an interlock value and I don't know what that means either. 02:08:02 -!- jfischoff has quit (Quit: jfischoff). 02:11:54 #define MEMDEF(x) x; typedef struct { x object[sizeof(x)<0xFF00?1:-1]; } x##__ 02:16:05 Have you used these kind of things in any C codes? 02:19:08 How would you even use that 02:21:52 http://www.csounds.com/manual/html/csound5extending.html#AddmodAddSpace 02:22:49 Does that explain it to you? 02:24:26 good grief, was this written for the IOCCC? 02:24:33 "f-rate streaming pvoc fsig type" 02:24:40 I don't think that counts as English 02:25:29 Are you sure? Well, I don't think it was written for the IOCCC. 02:25:47 What happens when an array ends up with a -1 size anyways 02:25:55 You get a compiler error. 02:25:57 Is that just a hacky and unreadable way to causing a compiler error? 02:26:30 I wouldn't call it unreadable. 02:26:38 Also where would you use that macro 02:26:43 The "x;" at the start intrigues me 02:27:45 typedef struct { OPDS h; MYFLT*ao; MYFLT*ai; } MEMDEF(mem_avecrev); 02:27:57 oh it comes at the end of a typedef 02:29:04 I think I once made a piece of software somethign like this thing thing 02:29:25 It was graphical though. 02:30:25 And I never really bothered coming up with interesting blocks 02:30:40 Or modules or whatever you call them 02:31:15 I wonder if browsers are fast enough to do it in JavaScript these days 02:31:30 I still don't trust JS when it comes to raw math performance 02:32:22 Well, this is Csound; what software were you using? 02:34:18 er 02:34:19 GCC? 02:34:32 I was making my own thing from scratch. This was years ago 02:35:16 What did the program do? 02:35:28 zzo38: How long have you had your nick? 02:35:35 Was it always 38, or a different number once? 02:35:56 shachaf: Always 38 02:36:05 I don't know how long. 02:37:24 It made sounds 02:37:41 I had basic waveform generators, ADSR, some filters, and MIDI input. 02:37:51 Plus a block that takes a chain and clones it for polyphony. 02:38:08 It'd be kind of fun to make something like this with a physical interface 02:38:22 Something that looks like an analog modular synthesizer but is really just a simulation. 02:38:28 But that's probably never going to happen 02:38:47 oerjan: Do I really? 02:40:17 shachaf: just about ready to engage in some nepotism, i'd say 02:40:50 oerjan: Hm, I was leaning toward despotism. 02:40:59 those go well together 03:01:20 Lumpio-: Csound does such things and even more, and probably could even be made to connect to a physical interface. 03:01:39 what about a mental interface 03:02:31 It might be possible too, I don't know 03:03:46 Chrome seems to be seriously struggling with the new tab page 03:09:44 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:26:39 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 03:31:11 -!- c00kiemon5ter has joined. 03:33:41 ohai o/ something blew up somewhere near and caused a power failure <.< 03:34:00 `welcome c00kiemon5ter 03:34:08 c00kiemon5ter: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 03:34:20 i've had this message before 03:34:31 `WeLcOmE c00kiemon5ter 03:34:36 C00kIeMoN5TeR: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) 03:35:00 :) 03:35:35 although i bet elliott still hasn't made the link work 03:46:48 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 03:48:02 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 04:14:49 -!- nys has quit (Quit: quit). 04:55:35 -!- micahjohnston has joined. 05:02:14 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 05:08:24 -!- ifnspifn has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:08:42 -!- ifnspifn has joined. 05:12:13 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 05:17:51 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 05:26:15 -!- jfischoff has joined. 05:57:19 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 05:57:19 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 05:57:19 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 06:00:33 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 06:03:42 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:23:19 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 06:25:03 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:25:31 -!- sebbu has joined. 06:25:31 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 06:25:31 -!- sebbu has joined. 07:12:11 lament is so positive and full of hope in the 2003 logs 07:12:47 Where is lament? 07:12:52 Oh, 2003 07:13:08 Stuck in 2003, how horrible. 07:13:27 -!- Sgeo|web has joined. 07:13:36 fizzie: Well, lament is moving forward in time. 07:13:40 But unfortunately so are we. 07:13:46 We'll always be 9 years ahead. :-( 07:14:00 elliott: Fiora 07:14:12 fizzie hasn't changed a bit 07:16:20 what with the topics on this channel, not a surprise (s?he|it) refused. 07:16:20 Maybe I'm stuck in 2003 too. 07:17:17 how old are you and how old is lament? 07:18:18 I wasn't this old then. 07:18:35 i'm looking for a number 07:18:53 29 now, I think. 07:19:59 -!- jfischoff has quit (Quit: jfischoff). 07:20:33 interesting 07:20:57 I don't know about the age of lament(ation). 07:21:29 The lament of their women, as Conan says. 07:21:58 yay, ten people! 07:22:17 Should Proce have command to specify external input/output? 07:22:19 so weird 07:22:28 Otherwise, it doesn't do much. 07:23:25 Yay, sixty-eight people! 07:23:29 Still including clog! 07:23:40 fungot: You count as people too! 07:23:41 fizzie: before the renaissance, western mathematics was pretty shitty on the notation side. 07:24:03 fungot: That's a direct quote, you lazy. 07:24:04 fizzie: it is used or something like that wouldn't be equally tricky if you want 07:24:16 That probably isn't. Though you never know. 07:25:59 and i made a 3D bf with the IP being a SPACESHIP (now that's REAL COOL, right?), then i made a lang called metafuck, where you can execute the memory with it's own nulled memory 07:26:01 wait. 07:26:12 am i just sarcastic from the beginning 07:26:49 it seems i've calmed down quite a bit in any case 07:36:56 -!- ifnspifn has quit (Quit: ifnspifn). 07:43:51 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: leaving). 08:00:17 /o/ 08:00:21 myndzi? 08:08:06 -!- Sgeo|web has quit (Quit: Page closed). 08:12:42 -!- epicmonkey_ has joined. 08:12:55 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:26:04 -!- aloril has joined. 08:32:10 -!- monqy has joined. 08:34:32 -!- epicmonkey_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 08:36:49 -!- epicmonkey_ has joined. 08:40:24 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 08:40:30 -!- carado has joined. 08:40:56 -!- copumpkin has joined. 08:43:16 -!- epicmonkey_ has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds). 08:44:00 -!- FreeFull has quit. 09:00:58 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 09:14:14 -!- elliott has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 09:14:35 monqy: omg that takes ages :D 09:14:46 hi 09:15:19 -!- nooga has joined. 09:17:04 monqy: or maybe its my function :o 09:23:52 -!- Taneb has joined. 09:37:24 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 09:38:22 -!- Taneb has joined. 09:51:25 -!- epicmonkey_ has joined. 10:13:08 -!- jix has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 10:23:02 -!- quintopia has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 10:24:21 -!- carado has joined. 10:24:47 -!- quintopia has joined. 10:36:24 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has quit (Quit: Leaving). 10:41:10 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:57:20 -!- Arc_Koen has joined. 11:10:29 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 11:20:36 -!- elliott has joined. 11:26:01 -!- ion has joined. 11:27:47 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 11:33:47 -!- epicmonkey_ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 11:34:24 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 11:39:33 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 11:59:47 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 12:02:47 -!- jix has joined. 12:25:13 -!- monqy has joined. 12:26:43 -!- jix has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:26:50 -!- jix has joined. 12:33:50 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 12:35:29 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:36:23 -!- augur has joined. 12:41:30 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 12:47:39 -!- asiekierka has joined. 12:47:46 Long time no see! 12:54:01 -!- boily has joined. 12:56:17 -!- sirdancealot7 has quit (Quit: KEEP SPARKS. FLAME AWAY.). 12:56:45 -!- sirdancealot has joined. 13:03:34 `ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ asiekierka 13:03:47 ＡＳＩＥＫＩＥＲＫＡ：　ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ　ＴＯ　ＴＨＥ　ＩＮＴＥＲＮＡＴＩＯＮＡＬ　ＨＵＢ　ＦＯＲ　ＥＳＯＴＥＲＩＣ　ＰＲＯＧＲＡＭＭＩＮＧ　ＬＡＮＧＵＡＧＥ　ＤＥＳＩＧＮ　ＡＮＤ　ＤＥＰＬＯＹＭＥＮＴ！　ＦＯＲ　ＭＯＲＥ　ＩＮＦＯＲＭＡＴＩＯＮ，　ＣＨＥＣＫ　ＯＵＴ　ＯＵＲ　ＷＩＫＩ：　ＨＴＴＰ：／／ＥＳＯＬ 13:05:10 -!- augur has joined. 13:10:16 -!- boily has quit (Quit: Poulet!). 13:17:52 That's so big. 13:19:35 Also, this monitor developed a full-height vertical line of always-on blue pixels in the 354th column. It is visible also in the monitor startup logo splash and in different graphics modes. 13:20:23 I think it is a fault. 13:21:17 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 13:21:31 -!- nooga has joined. 13:21:51 >354th column 13:21:53 ah the accuracy 13:22:02 -!- boily has joined. 13:22:15 -!- boily has quit (Client Quit). 13:23:11 -!- boily has joined. 13:23:44 It might be the 353th or the 355th column, to be honest. 13:24:14 Gotta be more accurate br 13:24:15 o 13:24:18 Get a magnifying glass 13:24:40 -!- boily has quit (Client Quit). 13:26:54 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 13:27:49 -!- nooga_ has joined. 13:30:41 -!- boily has joined. 13:31:14 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 13:49:43 -!- kallisti has joined. 13:49:43 -!- kallisti has quit (Changing host). 13:49:43 -!- kallisti has joined. 13:49:52 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 13:53:23 -!- nooga_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 13:55:17 -!- nooga has joined. 14:13:33 fizzie: are you using a iMac? 14:14:38 I have a friend with an iMac who developed the same problem (though he did not tell me the number of the column). Later on the monitor developed a second column like that, except purple instead of blue. 14:18:01 No, it's just a monitor. 14:18:09 Some old Fujitsu-Siemens leftover. 14:21:44 fizzie: hi 14:22:03 (It's not *my* monitor. I'd be more dismayed if it were.) 14:22:09 Well HELLO THERE. 14:26:29 so elliott have you started that fortress 14:26:43 fizzie has 14:27:46 oh good 14:27:55 fizzie can be counted on 14:27:57 he's dependable 14:28:15 relatedly, 14:28:20 fizzie: help me with SSL thanks ! 14:28:48 tswett: is 107.5.152.253 you? 14:35:12 Probably. 14:35:55 Yup, that's me. 14:36:33 tswett: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=///&curid=1636&diff=34935&oldid=33068 hides a link to a user page which is a no-go by the wiki policies 14:36:44 Ah. 14:36:55 In that case, no, that's not me. 14:37:08 well I wanted to know so I could ask what you wanted done :P 14:37:17 would be easy to make a [[Tanner Swett]] stub that linked to the user page, that would suffice 14:37:25 I just changed it to "Tanner Swett ([[User:Ihope127]])". 14:37:42 don't you mean 107.5.152.253 did :P 14:37:52 thanks, anyway 14:37:52 Yes, yes. 14:38:02 I should really fix it so that links to the /// page actually work again 14:39:05 -!- Taneb has joined. 14:55:57 "The process of constructing instruction tables should be very fascinating. There need be no real danger of it ever becoming a drudge, for any processes that are quite mechanical may be turned over to the machine itself." -- Turing 14:57:03 "I'm hungry." -- Nathan "Taneb" van Doorn 15:02:59 elliott: nice 15:03:53 via http://arcanesentiment.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/there-need-be-no-real-danger-of-it-ever.html via http://alarmingdevelopment.org/?p=711, fwiw 15:03:58 or are those vias the wrong way around 15:07:47 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 15:46:15 blind vias and buried vias 15:50:34 if the last character in a /// program si \ what happens? 15:52:05 "If the character is \, the character after it (if any) is printed and both characters are removed from the program." 15:52:24 oh right, if any 16:01:16 that description is less than clear admittedly (I wrote it) 16:04:44 -!- nooodl has joined. 16:05:03 -!- ifnspifn has joined. 16:34:54 -!- sirdancealot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:37:37 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:38:50 -!- sirdancealot7 has joined. 17:08:20 -!- Bike has joined. 17:43:09 -!- hey has joined. 17:43:13 hey 17:43:17 every one 17:43:29 For programmer HELLO WORLD :) 17:43:32 -!- hey has changed nick to Guest89142. 17:44:00 hey 17:44:06 -!- Guest89142 has left. 17:46:44 Ohhhhhhhhhh kay 17:46:59 -!- Gregor has set topic: hey hey hey everyone for programmer HELLO WORLD! | Logs: http://5z8.info/turkeyporn_o4u1vn_molotovcocktail#gobblegobble. 17:47:10 Ohwait 17:47:13 -!- Gregor has set topic: hey hey hey every one for programmer HELLO WORLD! | Logs: http://5z8.info/turkeyporn_o4u1vn_molotovcocktail#gobblegobble. 18:35:25 -!- FreeFull has joined. 18:43:38 -!- carado has joined. 18:46:39 Isn't that missing a hey. 18:46:43 tswett: Did you make Proce esolang? I think there should be the way to specify external input/output? 18:46:50 hey hey hey every one hey for programmer HELLO WORLD. 18:46:51 fizzie: No, it is missing a key. 18:47:08 fizzie: I opted to paraphrase. 18:47:44 And the log URL is missing a percentage sign. 19:05:31 @ping 19:05:31 pong 19:05:36 -!- elliott has quit (Quit: Reconnecting). 19:05:46 -!- elliott has joined. 19:07:10 there was a hey after HELLO WORLD! too 19:08:08 hey hey, hello world hey ... has a nice ring to it somehow 19:08:22 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 19:08:43 hello 19:08:44 I can no longer visit the page "///" on the wiki for some reason 19:09:04 it has been like this for months because I am lazy and awful 19:09:07 you can go to "Slashes" instaed 19:09:09 *instead 19:09:10 Yes, I know 19:09:10 sorry 19:09:13 I will fix it sometime 19:09:22 but, the language list redirects you to /// 19:13:57 well 19:14:03 I guess I could change that 19:14:42 oh wait, never mind, it does redirect you to Slashes 19:18:14 zzo38: I did make Proce, yeah, and there's no one obvious way to do I/O. 19:18:36 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 19:19:46 tswett: To me would seem, should have some line indicating the outputs and inputs? 19:20:16 I might try to implement this, as a Csound plugin. 19:46:25 tswett: Do you think that may be reasonable way doing I/O? 19:46:34 Or, do you want a different way? 19:53:50 How do you program Mozilla to finish loading the HTML before attempting to load any CSS, script, images, etc? 19:54:43 Finish loading or finish rendering? 19:57:22 Both. 19:57:55 well for one you should probably upgrade to firefox or seamonkey but I think that is not what you mean 19:58:00 because I"m pretty sure you need CSS and some scripts before it can be rendered properly 19:59:10 I mean the Mozilla engine (so that includes Firefox and so on) 19:59:19 gecko? 19:59:22 -!- ogrom has joined. 19:59:29 -!- ogrom has left. 19:59:37 or are you insane enough to tamper with mariner? 20:01:49 I think it could be rendered not too bad, if you don't use the CSS/scripts; it should display placeholders for images, and if for any reason it cannot finish rendering, it ought to still be required to finish loading first. 20:01:57 And then render as much as possible, before loading the rest. 20:02:30 hi elliott 20:02:47 hello 20:06:13 -!- oerjan has joined. 20:09:18 /o/ 20:09:24 hm... 20:09:29 ^celebrate 20:09:29 \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ 20:09:40 oh noes 20:09:42 myndzi...... 20:10:22 looks distinctly idle 20:10:29 poor guys, their heads and arms are all chopped off 20:13:09 myndzi: hi 20:24:04 FireFly: There are also some disembodied hands. 20:28:50 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 20:30:43 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 20:31:06 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 20:31:06 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 20:31:18 Can FM synthesis be done with acoustics rather than electronics? 20:32:38 isn't that almost how humans speak? 20:32:52 I don't know. 20:33:03 olsner: Nah 20:33:15 Human speech is really more of resonance and resonant filtering 20:33:20