< 1351728298 538909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Area Man Constantly Mentioning He Doesn't Know Anything About Baseball < 1351728386 871938 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the one area where nerds -- usually a fairly intellectual lot -- are extremely proud of ignorance < 1351728393 663678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it so in all countries or just the USA? < 1351728493 809563 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, outside USA and Japan *no-one* knows what baseball is < 1351728567 57695 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose nerds might be more proud of that ignorance though < 1351728578 467140 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to simply not caring about it < 1351728592 756322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sports in general i mean < 1351728618 229149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :baseball's just on my mind because San Francisco won at baseball and now all the nerds in San Francisco are loudly proclaiming how much they don't know or care about baseball < 1351728637 33389 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't actually realise san fransisco won < 1351728646 585209 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a coincidene < 1351728648 182235 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*c < 1351728652 100882 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's san francisco? < 1351728662 649224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1351728664 678900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: some baseball thing i think < 1351728674 190651 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a player? < 1351728760 309356 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's a type of base < 1351728770 994223 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-60-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Some other countries play baseball. Japan managed to get other bits of Asia in on it, and it's apparently pretty common in the Carribean. < 1351728820 403064 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: this clip will make it clear: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElAcu-1dlPM < 1351728820 564777 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-60-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I can't comment about the ignorance: I don't actively *follow* most sports, but I'm not exactly ignorant on them. < 1351728823 401462 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nsfw language) < 1351728846 985936 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-60-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hell, I've been known to nerd out on the origins of (American) football and its relation to other games) < 1351728878 958913 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-60-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also enjoys watching football, so. *shrug* < 1351728891 61802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the irony (?) < 1351728894 645303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sports fans are sports nerds < 1351728898 837813 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, i never understood nsfw language < 1351728914 52153 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean ffs you shouldn't be listening to videos at work with speakers on < 1351728920 601566 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-60-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the most part? Yeah, it's just nerding out about sports instead of something else. < 1351728959 814914 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nsfwu < 1351728964 253439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: people do though < 1351728965 950268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me < 1351728976 68531 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears to have been fairly safe for wu though, so that's not funny < 1351728976 559263 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-60-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially given that for most spectator sports, 99% of the audience doesn't actually *do* the sport in question. < 1351728990 485500 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-60-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in any capacity, obviously) < 1351728996 938969 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: thanks, I think I understand san francisco now < 1351729002 258770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :baseball in particular is all about the stats and the obsessive knowledge of past games and teams < 1351729011 103987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1351729017 455453 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, in that case your workplace is either so relaxed I can't believe someone's going to flip out over some cursing, or you deserve what's coming to you anyway. < 1351729042 232659 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-60-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yeah, baseball in particular is a land of statistical analysis. < 1351729055 313360 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brrrr stats < 1351729114 44711 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i don't care if people care about baseball or are ignorant of baseball < 1351729162 329367 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-60-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're just finding it an interesting cultural phenomenon. < 1351729186 387643 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-60-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That smarter people go "sports -- eeew" as a *rule*. < 1351729199 930614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no what i mind is people who are conspicuous about their ignorance and proud of it < 1351729211 299743 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-60-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah. Well. Yes, there is that. < 1351729218 971644 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-60-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pride in ignorance is sad. < 1351729231 294465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a rule that whenever spots are brought up, you have to be the loudest in proclaiming your utter contempt and ignorance of sports < 1351729233 587626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1351729235 889700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lest you be branded as one of Them < 1351729256 647667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of the aspects of "nerd culture" which I think derives directly from middle school bullying or something < 1351729264 463423 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-60-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1351729286 91059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: r < 1351729291 76192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1351729297 668352 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I might end up having to watch the rest of deadwood now... all because of wu < 1351729300 522113 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-60-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ティ < 1351729319 974010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: can you explain san francisco to me? < 1351729322 236003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't watch the video < 1351729368 812503 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey elliott go vote in the distributor election < 1351729378 888844 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I really can't do it as well as wu does < 1351729383 749290 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;o < 1351729385 179538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: isn't it all votes for you? < 1351729392 149781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i do that i'd have to like email taral though and ugh < 1351729394 708127 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-60-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, go vote for President of the World. < 1351729405 682887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i vote comex < 1351729414 437972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually no < 1351729416 344861 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one vote for me, one vote for scshunt, one vote endorsing me, two present, endorse Google Groups, and denounce Google Groups :p < 1351729417 42943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vote olsner < 1351729427 340983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: well i dont think anyone actually cares about the vote < 1351729429 813639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :deadwood is fucking brilliant < 1351729435 413402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure why you're even voting at all < 1351729440 175727 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I just don't want to arbitrarily declare myself the winner < 1351729454 992449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: well you can arbitrarily declare yourself the winner by having taral decide you'd be good to give the lists :P < 1351729466 947655 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I started a vote because I felt it was an appropriately Agoran way to do things :p < 1351729468 572250 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i could vote for you though < 1351729472 850788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not right now, too lazy < 1351729490 668357 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: yw < 1351729501 979228 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anything a regex can do that a finite list of greedy string substitutions can't? < 1351729503 780252 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ? < 1351729507 813669 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: voted for you < 1351729512 347983 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-60-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But there's only Obama and Romney! < 1351729512 732375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit < 1351729515 40171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll vote coppro then < 1351729520 392703 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1351729690 125723 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but you already voted me < 1351729745 337291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no this is for distributor silly < 1351729774 762304 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :voting for sillies? < 1351729883 281433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1351729925 367974 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1351730021 434182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Epsilo wow what a page < 1351730025 8300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps this should be deleted < 1351730102 215353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: btw < 1351730112 524166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do you know why ctrl+alt+fN might not work to switch to vts < 1351730116 199099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been like this a while for me! < 1351730192 98712 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351730197 695790 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351730258 244740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey elliott do you think i should follow this link to accounts-google-com-id189134acx-ssl-k-emailrenew77.idns.pl and put in my gmail password < 1351730263 634560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems legit right < 1351730274 304365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1351730282 67965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: google is the most famous polish company < 1351730301 264486 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1351730305 720051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has ssl right there in the name! < 1351730308 304903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :secure! < 1351730346 357375 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and emailrenew77 ... if the previous 76 renews got lost, they might give up trying to renew your email any moment < 1351730454 306978 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351730459 693092 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351730647 446513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you know :( < 1351730656 107094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i know what < 1351730664 104314 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why ctrl+alt+fN might not work to switch to vts? < 1351730686 462047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you've remapped those keys in X then you have to use the remapped ones < 1351730730 853109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't remapped them at all < 1351730732 430165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just don't do shit < 1351730850 748203 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : Confirmation process complete.. Click here to Continue to your Gmail < 1351730889 360749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just put q in all the fields < 1351730893 15448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i SCAMMING the SCAMMERS???? < 1351730895 904992 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put “test”. < 1351730934 494814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does that make YOU a SCAMMER? < 1351730939 650447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you SCAMMING the YOURSELF? < 1351730941 738957 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :scammer² < 1351730955 798212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :contravariant scammer < 1351730956 200829 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s scammers all the way down. < 1351731102 21136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait did you actually visit that url < 1351731105 249408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't been there < 1351731108 564847 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had the good sense to stay away < 1351731117 486803 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should see if you can SQL inject it < 1351731158 360412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what url ?? ? < 1351731203 907408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1351731267 676542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You can tell it's fake because it doesn't require you to check the "I agree to the Google Terms" checkbox. < 1351731284 481935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the malware will aim heck your linux system < 1351731286 563809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont visit the page!!! < 1351731304 418998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "2 l8" :'( < 1351731322 199894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway seriously does anyone know why vt switching is fucked < 1351731331 37836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should upgrade to lens 3.1 < 1351731336 448568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it helps i am using kms < 1351731339 361449 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel graphics < 1351731381 211188 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So guys, you know how there's no computable set of axioms in first-order logic that uniquely determines the natural numbers? < 1351731404 66475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no tswett < 1351731410 603393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone had been repeatedly saying that for the past week or so < 1351731410 765687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: No number greater than about 30 is natural. < 1351731412 377039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I would know that < 1351731437 653573 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm. I'm not so sure about that. < 1351731440 609048 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 30 a natural number? < 1351731451 649683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1351731456 425091 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about 32? < 1351731462 547621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1351731468 380229 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about 31? < 1351731473 451999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1351731479 278422 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :32 is quite unnatural indeed. < 1351731482 366612 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about 31 + 1? < 1351731485 620297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1351731492 798517 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1351731502 373609 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the natural numbers closed under addition? < 1351731511 906062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Are you thinking of the axiom "every natural number has a successor"? < 1351731518 876635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was mistranscribed from the original. < 1351731527 106394 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? < 1351731529 417915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original is "every natural number (except 31) has a successor". < 1351731536 946008 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1351731537 162828 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1351731543 194546 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they are, in fact, not closed under addition? < 1351731553 389895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends on what addition is. < 1351731561 582951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :31 has a successor < 1351731563 918033 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mindblower is that the “31” in the original text is in base-8. < 1351731564 681154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just not a natural successor < 1351731565 596339 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1351731584 732011 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I prefer wording it as "Every natural number that is not 31 has a successor" < 1351731591 237111 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's clear that it doesn't preclude 31 having a successor < 1351731601 321549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: No, that's not right. < 1351731605 614364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :31 *doesn't* have a successor. < 1351731610 496522 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's define n + 0 as n, and n + (the successor of m) as the successor of (n + m). < 1351731636 893880 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then clearly 31 + 1 is undefined, since it would be the successor of 31. < 1351731651 915662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Well, you have to prove that a natural number N isn't 31 before you can say things like "the successor of N" < 1351731658 207766 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1351731664 888190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like you have to prove it's not 0 before you can say "the predecessor of N". < 1351731681 864629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fix my ghc bug :'( < 1351731697 37078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1351731718 946522 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's add another axiom. < 1351731731 723704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/7364 < 1351731762 767139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw zfc is inconsistent guys < 1351731762 931148 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There exists an operation @ such that for all natural numbers a, b, c, and d, if a @ b = c @ d, then a = c and b = d. < 1351731776 81682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett.gimli.moed++ < 1351731782 668312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that axiom looks rejectable < 1351731803 909173 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. Maybe it's consistent with the axioms we have so far. < 1351731810 650805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dont wrorry!! hes not talking about @ < 1351731813 768083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just "@" < 1351731838 996325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that isn't a funny joke though < 1351731851 433080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1351731917 801620 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/5147243 - I think these are the axioms we're dealing with. < 1351731922 381808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you know much about accordions? < 1351731952 151111 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to whom? < 1351731966 37357 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 is zero, 2 is successors for n != 31, 3 is successors for n = 31, 4 is the predecessor of 0, 5 is that succession is a bijection, and 6 is the @ operation. < 1351731978 597480 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :≠ < 1351732031 115018 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this system might be inconsistent. < 1351732051 271699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You just had to go and add that weird axiom, didn't you? < 1351732069 635214 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, yes. How else are we supposed to represent ordered pairs of natural numbers as natural numbers? < 1351732097 375851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the type of @? < 1351732113 149739 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nat -> Nat -> Nat, I guess. < 1351732121 456295 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I should have specified that. < 1351732144 720397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't make sense. :-( < 1351732159 239432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think @ is just fine < 1351732165 764695 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider the natural numbers 0 @ 0, 0 @ 1, 0 @ 2, ..., up through 0 @ 31, as well as 1 @ 0. Assume that 0 @ 0 = 0, 0 @ 1 = 1, 0 @ 2 = 2, ..., up through 0 @ 31 = 31. Then 1 @ 0 can't be any natural number, so we have a contradiction. < 1351732168 771078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because tswett does not restrict natural numbers to 0 and successors of natural numbers < 1351732175 333038 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's annoying < 1351732176 923151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ can just create natural numbers that are not the successor of anything < 1351732180 702243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no? < 1351732183 777655 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, good point. < 1351732196 90519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for instance < 1351732199 669235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could give back 32 < 1351732206 586691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereby 32 i mean the number that is not the successor of 31 < 1351732213 257324 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, 5? < 1351732219 293655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 is a number < 1351732224 532530 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we *do* assume that every natural number is either 0 or the successor of a natural number, though, we simply have to go through all 32! permutations there, and we can show that our system is inconsistent. < 1351732228 545395 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you get a different set of natural numbers depending on the left side of @ < 1351732228 768196 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's not the successor of 31. < 1351732234 296699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: but why would you assume that < 1351732240 801148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to break mathematics??? < 1351732243 543573 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is (0@1) + (1@0) < 1351732259 379266 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, I'm trying to bend it as far as it will go without breaking it. < 1351732270 733432 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys are so boring :/ < 1351732323 984092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Let's make things more interesting by defining a new esolang! < 1351732325 606107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking it'll have about 8 operations. < 1351732330 635320 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :1@0 could be 0 + aleph < 1351732332 861208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite sure what they'll be yet. < 1351732337 619250 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then 1@1 would be 1 + aleph < 1351732343 240149 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :By aleph < 1351732348 418233 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :By aleph I mean aleph zero < 1351732363 199708 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about 2@0? < 1351732379 135073 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: One of them is @ < 1351732389 955067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: What does @ do? < 1351732399 704499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything < 1351732410 220613 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :2@0 would be 0 + theconstant + theconstant < 1351732418 618863 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 0 + 2*theconstant < 1351732436 638976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no < 1351732567 6611 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, supersedes all lesser operating systems and gives you a sensual massage < 1351732567 167947 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351732594 699375 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/5147243 - okay, we've added an axiom and clarified an axiom. < 1351732598 873075 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This new system is inconsistent. < 1351732599 360765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayan_(accordion) are pretty the future, huh? < 1351732601 724955 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :1@0 is larger than any 0@x < 1351732609 425143 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :2@0 is larger than any 1@x < 1351732611 128265 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So on < 1351732616 861163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define larger < 1351732635 126931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's a type of beer, right? < 1351732635 427399 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Why are you only going up to 31? < 1351732648 735987 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: well, how high would you go? < 1351732662 997068 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Like yo momma < 1351732666 891451 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, suggn. @'s name should be bayan < 1351732672 922044 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I wouldn't have an upper limit < 1351732674 196569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: why < 1351732682 262076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you can't just have all the integers. < 1351732688 35964 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :accordion, that's why < 1351732690 788577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's greedy as fuck. people like you disgust me!! < 1351732698 583184 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I mean, you have to stop *somewhere*. < 1351732714 690273 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I wonder if you could declare 31 as its own successor < 1351732723 4353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just saturated arithmetic no < 1351732733 594586 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So let's see, how can we make our system consistent. < 1351732745 701650 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is the inconsistency? < 1351732752 964195 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The successor of 31 is 31.5. The successor of 31.5 is 31.75. < 1351732753 769831 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why use the boring old definition of consistency anyway < 1351732763 203133 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently, it's possible to prove that every natural number is equal to 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, or 31. < 1351732776 614802 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that none of these numbers are equal to each other. < 1351732815 35910 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And? < 1351732817 692299 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351732818 693306 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: in http://pastie.org/5147243? Given a set of 32 different natural numbers, you can prove that there are no natural numbers different from all of them. < 1351732825 129948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351732861 444011 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable < 1351732869 630889 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do these rules forbid an x where S(x) = 0 < 1351732878 496556 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1351732880 709631 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Axiom 4. < 1351732882 920115 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4. 0 is not the successor of any natural number. < 1351732891 298453 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1351732893 505207 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missed that one < 1351732904 180873 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, hang on. < 1351732914 515092 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe these axioms aren't inconsistent after all. < 1351732947 967564 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you shouldn't be calling them natural numbers < 1351732948 846994 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, and 31 as the "standard" natural numbers. < 1351732955 198788 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, let's call them... < 1351732965 950957 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chafian numbers. < 1351732974 520792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You *did* see ion's remark, right? < 1351732978 210956 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Define 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, and 31 as the "standard" Chafian numbers. < 1351732993 274435 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what remark was that? < 1351732994 833579 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any value defined for 1@1 < 1351732996 89593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351733005 936249 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the @ operation needs to be fleshed out further < 1351733008 434729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The natural numbers are 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 30, 31 < 1351733015 457803 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although < 1351733016 757088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Right? < 1351733020 861901 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1351733022 188552 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: well, yeah. Axiom 6. There is a natural number a @ b, for all a and b. < 1351733039 917091 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: But that doesn't say what the natural number would be < 1351733067 48874 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, see. Perhaps there exists a natural number, let's call it i, such that iterating the successor function on i never gets you a standard Chafian number, and iterating the successor function on a standard Chafian number never gets you i. < 1351733112 285617 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can disprove that. < 1351733119 91214 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you are right < 1351733137 665457 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's call the non-standard Chafian number 33 < 1351733157 173623 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe 32 < 1351733177 773833 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. What would we call the predecessor of its predecessor? < 1351733202 616056 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we should just call it i. Then we can speak of numbers like i + 5, and i - 480, and so on. < 1351733217 412806 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sounds right. < 1351733227 460145 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, we can't have 32 without 3 and 7 conflicting < 1351733235 665523 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe we could have i < 1351733278 698479 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have to be on a different ring < 1351733289 870310 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I think we have a model of these axioms. < 1351733328 308642 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even with i < 1351733330 901221 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the set {0, 1, 2, ..., 31} union {i + n where n is an integer}, such that 0 and S are defined in the obvious ways, and then @ is defined just however. < 1351733334 431226 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you see any inconsistency? < 1351733347 181125 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, these axioms are consistent. There's a model of them. < 1351733380 198591 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there was an axiom stating there were only 32 chafian numbers, then it might be inconsistent < 1351733384 273399 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as it stands < 1351733388 296981 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1351733435 894466 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, this seems to raise a question: what is i + i? I don't think this model admits a consistent definition of addition. < 1351733459 734483 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, neither does the set {0, 1, 2, ..., 31}. < 1351733475 177198 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :a @ b could be defined as b + a*i < 1351733486 506077 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you need to define + and *. < 1351733490 385634 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1351733517 747839 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you defined + in terms of successors < 1351733519 353464 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1351733523 547877 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it wouldn't work < 1351733682 489279 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what axioms do we want + to obey? < 1351733761 143454 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :We want 0 + a = a + 0 = a. We want a + b = b + a, and (a + b) + c = a + (b + c). < 1351733777 859794 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we want a + 1 = S(a) for all a ≠ 31. < 1351733826 654440 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are these new axioms consistent? < 1351733862 915951 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can now posit a Chafian number corresponding to every natural number. < 1351733867 220781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1351733882 407594 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all Chafian numbers corresponding to natural numbers 32 or greater are non-standard. < 1351733898 237707 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351733918 342979 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, but does this work? 32 is not 0, so it has a predecessor. Call it P(32). < 1351733970 723992 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :P(32) is clearly not 31. This means that P(32) + 1 = 32. However, 31 + 1 = 32 as well. < 1351734038 736904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1351734046 80614 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett! < 1351734048 902434 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing! < 1351734076 664461 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: I'm trying to do as much math as I can with the Chafian numbers. < 1351734086 967917 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chafian numbers? < 1351734099 900443 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. "Natural numbers" as defined here: http://pastie.org/5147243 < 1351734102 919233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:23 The natural numbers are 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 30, 31 < 1351734127 529286 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it's impossible for + to satisfy zero-is-identity, commutativity, associativity, compatibility with the successor function, and bijectivity. < 1351734162 305233 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont follow < 1351734245 978910 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the axioms at http://pastie.org/5147243 are consistent. < 1351734256 198022 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to add more axioms, defining arithmetic and stuff. < 1351734284 905837 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: There is no 31 + 1 < 1351734293 937812 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there is no S(31) < 1351734327 930725 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure these are truly consistent < 1351734328 710385 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: where does the standard Z/32 arithmetic break down? < 1351734350 702969 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: I gave a model of it. < 1351734353 193581 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :< tswett> It's the set {0, 1, 2, ..., 31} union {i + n where n is an integer}, such that 0 and S are defined in the obvious ways, and then @ is defined just however. < 1351734354 736381 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: oh? < 1351734359 579111 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If P(0) was 32 and S(32) was 0 then it would be standard modular arithmetic < 1351734368 912739 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than the @ stuff < 1351734388 366908 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah. I said that "32 is not 0, so it has a predecessor", but maybe 32 *is* 0. < 1351734389 415238 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: well i suppose you could define trivial models like {*} < 1351734397 14865 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that wouldnt work < 1351734401 651696 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{*,31} < 1351734413 996733 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: 32 isn't 0 < 1351734429 77413 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: can you prove that? < 1351734449 692571 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351734451 281752 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't prove either way with these axioms < 1351734475 485211 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever the definition of + is, 16+16 wouldn't be a standard Chafian number < 1351734523 707900 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could forget about having + < 1351734525 62721 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw 7 and 4 say the same thing < 1351734546 909199 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, more or less < 1351734551 902214 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't you contradicting yourself? You said you can't prove that 16 + 16 ≠ 0, but you also said that 16 + 16 is not a standard Chafian number, didn't you? < 1351734585 605439 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1351734592 929446 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am contradicting myself < 1351734598 407498 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{0,31} work for S(0) = 31 < 1351734603 781262 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it satisfies up to 7 < 1351734605 603020 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously + is ill-defined right now < 1351734605 862096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am contracting m'self. < 1351734611 492611 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can't prove anything about it < 1351734615 382681 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 is also definable < 1351734630 790119 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lemme check if any @ can satisfy 8 < 1351734726 524658 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/5147243 - okay, here are our axioms now. < 1351734740 218195 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure we can prove that 31 + 1 = 0. < 1351734763 16250 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could define addition in following way: x + 0 = x x + y = S(x) + P(y) < 1351734820 516536 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1351734827 290159 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im confident, actually, that 8 is unsatisfiable < 1351734844 131793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :howso < 1351734850 631160 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let 32 = 31 + 1. Suppose 32 ≠ 0; then, by axiom 7, the predecessor of 32, P(32), exists. By axiom 3, P(32) ≠ 31. Therefore, by axiom 14, P(32) + 1 = 32. This means that P(32) + 1 = 31 + 1, so, by axiom 15, P(32) = 31. This is a contradiction. < 1351734852 146406 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wel < 1351734856 424853 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, 31 + 1 = 0. < 1351734857 381242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1351734858 769202 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pigeonhole, no? < 1351734864 476354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett added 7 < 1351734865 584956 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah pigeon hole i think will work < 1351734874 109429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 32^2 pairs of natural numbers (a,b) < 1351734874 270793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have the necessary infrastructure for pigeonhole though < 1351734881 310576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have the necessary infrastructure for pigeonhole though < 1351734885 218646 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1351734887 590452 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1351734890 456840 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Those axioms don't state what happens when you have something like 3 + 4 < 1351734892 38140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was at Phantom_Hoover < 1351734892 721574 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Axioms 1 through 8 are consistent. You can't prove that there are only 32 natural numbers. < 1351734901 336603 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: actually there arent 32^2 pairs < 1351734902 991723 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ah < 1351734916 668157 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: sure they do. 3 + 4 = 3 + (3 + 1) = (3 + 3) + 1. < 1351734918 946118 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres (k+1)^2 pairs < 1351734923 154611 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some choice of k < 1351734932 191601 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually k+2 sorry < 1351734954 1632 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the model might identify things that you dont identify in the axioms < 1351734954 783845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: so when augur said yes he actuall ymeant no < 1351734961 494549 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, i meant yes < 1351734962 41144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*actually meant < 1351734963 994660 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You didn't put anywhere that x + y = x + P(y) + 1 < 1351734971 303667 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351734978 417309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: well i do not see how you can prove it from those axioms < 1351734985 831283 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yes, but I put somewhere that x + S(y) = x + y + 1. Axiom 14 says so. < 1351735003 328457 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :14. For all a ≠ 31, a + 1 = S(a). < 1351735020 909635 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if there are (k+2)^2 pairs of numbers, and @ is an endomap on the (k+2) elements of Nat < 1351735029 80909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: "if there are (k+2)^2 pairs of numbers" < 1351735029 242756 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I think axioms 1 through 15 are no longer consistent. I think you can prove that i = i + 32, and that i ≠ i + 32. < 1351735030 478204 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then @ is not injective < 1351735034 327551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: you cannot prove there are only 32 chafian numbers < 1351735035 750424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :going by those axoims < 1351735037 365500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*axioms < 1351735038 58105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict < 1351735042 709203 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i never said there were only 32 < 1351735045 208951 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why i said k+2 < 1351735047 598946 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep up, kid < 1351735051 683413 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: so, there are infinitely many Chafian numbers. < 1351735052 566874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: you cannot prove there are only N chafian numbers for any constant N < 1351735061 102014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop being condescending < 1351735078 548128 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and you need to stop not reading what i say < 1351735090 239158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: have fun < 1351735090 718769 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes, thats true. if there's infinitely many it might work < 1351735094 923121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow no shit < 1351735099 380739 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks. < 1351735099 901146 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for finite N it pigeonholes < 1351735100 63258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think there being infinitely many might have been.... < 1351735101 238702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point??? < 1351735120 241349 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proving that i = i + 32. That's easy: i = i + 0 and 0 = 32. < 1351735136 771529 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did you prove 0 = 32 < 1351735143 805271 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: there is no + in these axioms < 1351735161 604716 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: 21:54:10 EDT. < 1351735168 380182 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: these axioms? http://pastie.org/5147243 < 1351735176 325679 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of bullshit time is EDT < 1351735176 487446 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Axioms 10 through 15 are about +. < 1351735183 454586 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I have no idea. < 1351735190 16273 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you added some axioms, ok < 1351735192 148768 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:54:10 < tswett> Let 32 = 31 + 1. Suppose 32 ≠ 0; then, by axiom 7, the predecessor of 32, P(32), exists. By axiom 3, P(32) ≠ 31. Therefore, by axiom 14, P(32) + 1 = 32. This means that P(32) + 1 = 31 + 1, so, by axiom 15, P(32) = 31. This is a contradiction. < 1351735192 410188 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt see that < 1351735225 354980 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: 32 doesn't = 31 + 1 though < 1351735243 477063 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1351735247 426425 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me read the whole thing < 1351735282 581145 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1351735317 529652 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so, proving that i ≠ i + 32. We know that i + 32 = i + 1 + 1 + ... + 1, where there are 32 1s. Since all of those numbers are undefined, this means that i + 32 is the 32nd successor of i. < 1351735323 840074 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This means that i is the 32nd successor of itself. < 1351735328 193690 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You've proven that 32 ≠ 31 + 1 < 1351735334 784007 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not that 32 = 0 < 1351735360 644765 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I said at the beginning, "Let 32 = 31 + 1". I think said "suppose 32 ≠ 0". I then derived a contradiction. < 1351735389 852003 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe this proves that 32 = 0. < 1351735429 412798 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, i being the 32nd successor of itself. Is that actually impossible? < 1351735445 978631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfectly possible if 32 = 0, surely < 1351735470 649587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: anyway can't i just be S(i) < 1351735476 234078 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Ok, what you've proven is that either 32 = 0 or that 32 ≠ 31 + 1 < 1351735477 564748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see that forbidden in the axioms < 1351735489 114145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you do not seem to understand what a definition is < 1351735495 274076 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: and 32 = 31 + 1 by definition; therefore, 32 ≠ 0. < 1351735495 552682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sequence of digits "32" has no meaning in itself. < 1351735500 523034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett defined 32 as meaning 31 + 1. < 1351735506 691569 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe i can be S(i). < 1351735506 987248 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: The axioms don't state that 32 = 31 + 1 < 1351735516 660049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so you actually do not understand what a definition is < 1351735530 591161 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: okay, replace 32 with 31 + 1 in this entire conversation, forever. < 1351735543 118010 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I've proven is that either 31 + 1 = 0, or that 31 + 1 ≠ 31 + 1. < 1351735554 1262 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The axioms don't state anything about what 31 + 1 would be < 1351735568 704985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just proved what it is tho < 1351735570 228073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :using: the axioms < 1351735572 465579 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, let me repeat my theorem a third time. < 1351735615 342775 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose 31 + 1 ≠ 0; then, by axiom 7, the predecessor of 31 + 1, P(31 + 1), exists. By axiom 3, P(31 + 1) ≠ 31. Therefore, by axiom 14, P(31 + 1) + 1 = 31 + 1. This means that P(31 + 1) + 1 = 31 + 1, so, by axiom 15, P(31 + 1) = 31. This is a contradiction. < 1351735625 799740 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If 31 + 1 ≠ 31 + 1 then it could be not a Chafian number < 1351735653 740245 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor could it be anything whatsoever. < 1351735694 976990 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's late at night < 1351735713 773695 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it is. < 1351735727 585725 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: your theorem has a flaw < 1351735727 830069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: how long until you have to specify the logic you're using < 1351735731 876361 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me take two 300-microgram tablets of melatonin. < 1351735734 608830 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: first-order logic. < 1351735738 754883 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :About six seconds. < 1351735763 530758 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it does? < 1351735825 493964 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Ok, ok, I see it < 1351735849 379926 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a contradiction because of axiom 3 < 1351735885 920406 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But < 1351735927 138013 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait, you're right < 1351735972 87882 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Does this mean that all chafian numbers smaller than 0 or larger than 31 are equal to 0? < 1351736055 722019 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does one of the axioms imply uniqueness or something like that? This might be used to prove that there are only 32 unique chafian numbers < 1351736096 486674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define larger < 1351736118 624197 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, depends on how you define "larger". < 1351736126 959303 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :x + 1 is larger than x < 1351736157 949584 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actualyl < 1351736168 869956 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't prove all chafian numbers are equal to zero < 1351736200 479079 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :31 + 1 + 1 would be the same as 1, not the same as 0 < 1351736261 794693 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :All assuming 32 = 31 + 1 < 1351736289 798167 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I can still see nonstandard chafian numbers < 1351736317 28714 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see < 1351736364 551955 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"x + 1 is larger than x" isn't satisfied by any total orders, since 31 + 1 = 0. < 1351736434 873514 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, just well-order the thing < 1351736475 83782 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose i ≠ 0; By axiom 7, P(i) exists. By axiom 2, S(i) exists < 1351736490 267532 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all models of the Chafian numbers have 32 elements, if that's what you're asking < 1351736495 982816 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :This can be repeated for the value P(i) and the value S(i), extending infinitely in both directions < 1351736496 246054 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there exists a model that does < 1351736502 881496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO infinitely < 1351736505 907910 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And indeed, we're just defining i as "a non-standard number". < 1351736508 754284 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :At no point you will encounter a standard chafian number < 1351736512 894272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1351736514 825950 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: right. < 1351736527 505990 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: doesn't axiom 8 imply that there are no finite models of the Chafian numbers? < 1351736554 56960 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along with axiom 6. < 1351736555 369406 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: 0 could be larger than 31 < 1351736586 712603 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1351736590 831324 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yeah, but you can't consistently have... let me have lambdabot tell you. < 1351736596 963030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what is axoim 7 < 1351736598 587605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*axiom < 1351736600 403642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1351736603 429556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes after axiom 3 < 1351736605 993247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and before axiom 4 < 1351736606 667397 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, chafian numbers are almost but not quite mod32 < 1351736610 106420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chafian ordering?? < 1351736624 525598 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "You can't consistently have " ++ concat [show n ++ " < " | n <- [0..31]] "0." < 1351736625 663863 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[GHC.Types.Char] -> [GHC.Types.Char]' < 1351736625 848761 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1351736633 165499 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "You can't consistently have " ++ concat [show n ++ " < " | n <- [0..31]] ++ "0." < 1351736633 328905 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Ok, how about this < 1351736635 258396 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "You can't consistently have 0 < 1 < 2 < 3 < 4 < 5 < 6 < 7 < 8 < 9 < 10 < 1... < 1351736642 742939 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: S(x) is larger than x < 1351736647 496539 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1351736657 504443 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since there is no S(31), there is no number larger than 31 < 1351736657 666461 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that seems consistent. < 1351736667 608550 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could be larger than 31. < 1351736681 550576 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: totally forgot about those >< < 1351736692 37808 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so yeah, you definitely have nonstandard ones < 1351736707 410165 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1351736713 48760 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :your axioms are stupid < 1351736722 516742 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally someone speaks sense < 1351736726 546348 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :S(0) = 31 is allowable as a model of the Chafian numbers < 1351736752 997780 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: wait, no, that's not consistent. Every nonstandard number is the 32nd successor of itself. < 1351736753 948659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'all're still talking about this? < 1351736761 379028 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: not necessarily < 1351736761 860669 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Not with the axioms disallowing it < 1351736762 771393 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: 31 is defined as the 31st successor of 0. < 1351736767 252839 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no it's not < 1351736788 183947 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, I'm adding another axiom saying it is. < 1351736816 632143 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/5147243 < 1351736820 996082 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :16. 1 = S(0), 2 = S(1), 3 = S(2), ..., and 31 = S(30). < 1351736827 941677 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes. < 1351736856 422936 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are the axioms numbered weirdly? < 1351736881 790611 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I want them to be presented in a logical order, but I don't want to renumber any of them. < 1351736901 69029 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora Nomic gets along well that way. < 1351736931 507581 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you show that i would be the 32nd successor of itself? < 1351737005 201484 :QuaeroVeritatis!ad188947@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.24.137.71 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351737024 857540 :QuaeroVeritatis!ad188947@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.24.137.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello all < 1351737035 106424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome QuaeroVeritatis < 1351737040 784489 :QuaeroVeritatis!ad188947@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.24.137.71 PART :#esoteric < 1351737046 76277 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :QuaeroVeritatis: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1351737048 995313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fuck you < 1351737091 538013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome shachaf < 1351737094 823465 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1351737100 930919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: thx :') < 1351737105 52626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one's ever welcomed me before. < 1351737623 914785 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME shachaf < 1351737627 559786 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1351737674 34658 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wELCOME tswett < 1351737676 965962 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wELCOME: not found < 1351737682 93464 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :i FEEL SO UNWELCOME. < 1351737739 808047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1351737765 500848 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Can you show i = S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(i)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) < 1351737778 985034 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I don't believe so. < 1351737807 745305 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1351737844 384312 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So i is the 32nd successor of itself only if by 32 you mean the chaffian number 31 + 1 < 1351737860 477385 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You used 16 Ss there, not 32 of them. < 1351737884 645185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey, what's the difference < 1351737885 272313 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "32nd successor", I mean the successor iterated 32 times, where "32" is the ordinary natural number 32. < 1351737904 668940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't we just establish 32 wasn't a natural number hours ago < 1351737927 250381 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :We did, but then we changed our definition of "natural number" to be not stupid. < 1351737935 181532 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I'm not sure we really have a definition of "natural number". < 1351737942 259662 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Woops < 1351737957 702138 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, there's no definition of "natural number" in first-order logic that does not also admit things that aren't the natural numbers. < 1351737970 660801 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(S(i)))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) < 1351737992 342679 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're perfectly definable in second-order logic, aren't they? But I don't know what the semantics of second-order logic are. < 1351738001 325695 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a number that isn't a surreal number? < 1351738012 41632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define number < 1351738020 252598 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imaginary numbers are not surreal numbers. < 1351738042 778400 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cardinal numbers are only sometimes identified with ordinal numbers. < 1351738074 961112 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cardinal numbers are ordinal numbers < 1351738091 520097 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not all ordinal numbers are cardinal numbers < 1351738183 370867 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're right about imaginary numbers not being surreal numbers I think < 1351738183 531615 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351738192 281669 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351738193 163655 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1351738234 707552 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pggnfsfgxixgvpqc QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1351738241 661901 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dlsvhviakmyossaq JOIN :#esoteric < 1351739028 246646 :Sgeo|web!a7ce4365@gateway/web/freenode/ip.167.206.67.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351739065 494539 :Sgeo|web!a7ce4365@gateway/web/freenode/ip.167.206.67.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hibye im alive < 1351739094 478422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: are you drunk < 1351739122 744414 :Sgeo|web!a7ce4365@gateway/web/freenode/ip.167.206.67.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was in a rush < 1351739144 442129 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's worse < 1351739145 574046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the second time we have been told Sgeo|web is alive recently < 1351739158 154555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try not to die < 1351739192 989241 :Sgeo|web!a7ce4365@gateway/web/freenode/ip.167.206.67.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in any danger. except for crossing streets. < 1351739216 494971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't cross sts Sgeo|web < 1351739270 838477 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351739329 339502 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, Bike. < 1351739363 297553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hike. < 1351739364 561983 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, tsett. < 1351739453 266428 :Sgeo|web!a7ce4365@gateway/web/freenode/ip.167.206.67.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1351739582 177275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it bad if i can't stop laughing at sgeo right now < 1351739605 683357 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1351739614 897882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of bad < 1351739626 592426 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1351739626 899055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo crossed a saint. < 1351739631 829666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't want to do that. < 1351739632 469712 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A couple dozen millihitlers. < 1351739646 120375 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Between 40 and 50. < 1351739656 712325 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, as I was saying. < 1351739658 523339 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm... < 1351739694 325152 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know how there's no computable set of axioms that uniquely defines the natural numbers? And, in particular, the Peano axioms, in first-order logic, admit multiple models? < 1351739697 982419 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one of those models is computable. < 1351739712 945646 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can kind of define the natural numbers as "the computable model of the Peano axioms". < 1351739756 700829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i hear there's no computable set of axioms that uniquely defines the natural numbers < 1351739765 467754 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1351739777 749108 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, in particular, the Peano axioms, in first-order logic, admit multiple models. < 1351739781 644526 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumb question time: a model is computable if it's a recursive set? < 1351739782 700120 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only one of those models is computable. < 1351739795 264517 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's the meaning I had in mind, yeah. < 1351739999 692317 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1351739999 692602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: a computable set of axioms that uniquely defines the booleans < 1351739999 692708 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351739999 692793 :glogbot!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds > 1351740005 852108 JOIN :#esoteric > 1351740009 979319 JOIN :#esoteric > 1351740010 495307 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351740011 61173 :glogbot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1351740028 475121 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351740086 513715 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, those exist. < 1351740128 325328 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There exist Booleans x and y such that x ≠ y. There do not exist Booleans x, y and z such that x ≠ y, y ≠ z, and x ≠ z. < 1351740145 765381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: well then! < 1351740148 912860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: just do the same thing for naturals < 1351740164 302265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there exist naturals x and y such that x =/= y. there exist naturals x and y and z such that x =/= y =/= z. there exist ... < 1351740264 615958 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There do not exist naturals a_0, a_1, ..., a_n such that a_0 ≠ a_1, a_0 ≠ a_2, ..., a_0 ≠ a_n, a_1 ≠ a_2, a_1 ≠ a_3, ..., a_1 ≠ a_n, ... ... ..., a_(n-1) ≠ a_n? < 1351740270 986369 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some uncountable natural number n? < 1351740275 905607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes. < 1351740298 464057 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't understand "uniquely", is this something with ordinals < 1351740365 24211 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: if a computable set of axioms has the natural numbers as a model, then it also has other things as models. < 1351740387 176320 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other things like what? < 1351740476 540165 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-standard_model_of_arithmetic < 1351740477 739553 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those. < 1351740495 184741 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, those things that I don't understand... thanks. < 1351740497 181766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: did you know: < 1351740502 919488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no computable set of axioms in first-order logic that uniquely determines the natural numbers < 1351740505 860707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1351740512 311237 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably I should just read more boolos or somefin < 1351740514 109842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tru fax" < 1351740528 871934 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hm. I think I remember somebody saying that before. < 1351740535 108900 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shadow fax < 1351740679 401699 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the Peano axioms + the negation of Goodstein's theorem is like. < 1351740704 731798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the Peano axioms + the negation of Godwin's law? < 1351740710 424196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, that's unthinkable. < 1351740972 406611 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the Peano axioms + the negation of Goodstein's theorem < 1351741186 17707 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let i be the smallest number such that the Goodstein sequence G(i) is infinite. < 1351741277 189929 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must be very large, of course. < 1351741289 132176 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :O kay < 1351741296 645095 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So large, in fact, that ZFC tells you there's no such thing. < 1351741306 450558 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But let's ignore the fact that i doesn't exist. Is it even or odd? < 1351741339 504771 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously neither is provable in peano arithmetic < 1351741354 639154 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless adding the axiom made it inconsistent, in which case both are provable < 1351741370 984324 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't seem obvious to me. < 1351741377 642105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote But let's ignore the fact that i doesn't exist. Is it even or odd? < 1351741380 598754 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :874) But let's ignore the fact that i doesn't exist. Is it even or odd? < 1351741385 800018 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Goodstein's theorem is trivial for odd numbers or something. < 1351741416 331966 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can prove that for any n, G(n) is a natural number < 1351741435 708180 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can't prove anything about i, because it doesn't exist < 1351741453 174962 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but what can you prove about it within the Peano axioms? < 1351741470 337524 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing, it doesn't exist < 1351741487 491037 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the contrary, you can prove that it's greater than 3. < 1351741496 256167 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, yes. < 1351741501 485516 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather: that if it exists, it's greater than 3. < 1351741525 288090 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since its existence is somehow an axiom, you don't need that bit < 1351741533 809102 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1351741538 138285 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it might be possible to prove it even or odd < 1351741547 197697 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proving it to be both would be interesting < 1351741581 982590 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would mean that your system is inconsistent. And it isn't. < 1351741608 497376 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it could be inconsistent < 1351741609 729417 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1351741618 898454 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone knows < 1351741628 55352 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't it only be inconsistent if peano was inconsistent? < 1351741639 87116 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Kirby–Paris theorem states that it is, in fact, consistent. < 1351741658 543088 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that... < 1351741664 323944 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1351741672 617357 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the sense that it is neither provable nor unprovable in peano arithmetic < 1351741676 657025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well PA could be inconsistent < 1351741689 411125 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in the sense that adding it or its negation won't cause the new axioms to be inconsistent < 1351741712 45362 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentzen showed that PA is consistent, sort of < 1351741719 175163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the "sort of" is the rub < 1351741739 958587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edward Nelson had an attempted proof of PA inconsistency recently < 1351741746 145293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it turned out to be flawed < 1351741839 968543 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you know if you've exceeded my little brother in age yet? < 1351741855 207014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, how old is he < 1351741889 490988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Theorem: Nelson's proof can't be right. < 1351741889 538027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof: The formal system within which Nelson carries out his proofs requires a theory of syntax. This theory is surely at least as strong as PRA. So: < 1351741889 538201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) If Nelson's proof is right, then it follows that Nelson's proof is wrong." < 1351741889 951885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1351741931 341649 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you have consistent proofs in an inconsistent logic < 1351741942 998262 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just have to be really careful, probably < 1351741963 754045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what would happen if PRA got proved inconsistent overnight < 1351742005 250036 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The total and irrevocable collapse of civilisation < 1351742008 729110 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: uh, I think he's like 17 or something. < 1351742016 208995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :edward nelson is one of my favourite wacky mathematicians < 1351742021 331035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC he doesn't believe exponentiation is total < 1351742034 185616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget his argument, although ISTR it's at least vaguely compelling < 1351742057 125010 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Nelson is the guy that developed internal set theory. < 1351742078 641094 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=103 < 1351742092 106764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yes! I love that anecdote < 1351742119 802031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone loves that anecdote. < 1351742375 911504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love that anecdote < 1351742409 839592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :∀p. ♥(p, A) < 1351742537 786610 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^100 < 1351742542 954867 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1351742552 744830 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^100 < 1351742557 440960 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1351742560 722127 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1351742561 988666 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that proves that. < 1351742567 864766 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED. < 1351742571 176134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^100 < 1351742576 318639 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1351742578 186202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^100 < 1351742581 486411 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not find module `Debug.SimpleReflect': < 1351742581 644078 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Use -v to see a list of the... < 1351742586 19940 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to ask what the time limit is... < 1351742587 293172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^100 < 1351742591 394918 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not find module `Debug.SimpleReflect': < 1351742591 538044 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Use -v to see a list of the... < 1351742595 892231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something weird is going on with lambdabot recently. < 1351742596 925061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 < 1351742599 265260 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not find module `Debug.SimpleReflect': < 1351742599 425589 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Use -v to see a list of the... < 1351742723 386348 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 < 1351742727 548660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not find module `Debug.SimpleReflect': < 1351742727 711114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Use -v to see a list of the... < 1351742747 625129 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ∀p. ♥(p, A) < 1351742752 139805 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1351742908 130323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 < 1351742912 685770 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1351742915 495988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^100 < 1351742918 19056 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not find module `Debug.SimpleReflect': < 1351742918 183412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Use -v to see a list of the... < 1351742959 572641 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1267650600228229401496703205376 < 1351743222 844540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks tswett < 1351743603 599935 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '2^100' | bc < 1351743606 569117 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: bc: command not found < 1351743646 502964 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '2 100^p' | dc < 1351743649 636049 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1267650600228229401496703205376 < 1351745249 305491 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351745514 129133 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1351745552 207479 :evincar!~jon@173-228-13-253.dsl.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351746372 284304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this machine has sda1 through sdo1 < 1351746376 791831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than half way through the alphabet < 1351746505 886621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sdz9 < 1351746511 34077 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351746512 222224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what comes after sdz < 1351746516 954475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hey < 1351746532 825547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :st:ds9 < 1351746539 127316 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1351746545 33527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is next i think < 1351746745 183798 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 STDs < 1351746778 959571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i can even name 9 STDs < 1351746795 318921 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need to be as debauched as five Babylons < 1351746801 265279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1351746812 986220 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if you have sex with someone who has a cold, you might get a cold < 1351746814 534866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that count < 1351746842 32484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about sexually transmitted crazy < 1351746885 160477 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's only used for things that are transmitted only through sex < 1351746897 472505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well HIV is not transmitted only through sex < 1351746899 119512 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like national secrets < 1351746913 267743 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think all STDs are possible to catch some other way < 1351746915 220431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you get creative < 1351746930 800418 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on how phallic you think needles are < 1351746957 567911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair point (no pun intended (pun very much intended)) < 1351750174 48597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: My flag shirt arrived today. < 1351750191 703517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Time Sensitive Material" < 1351750214 164135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems a higher-quality shirt than the last one. < 1351753917 323115 :evincar!~jon@173-228-13-253.dsl.static.sonic.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1351755065 855163 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1351755372 939701 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351758409 888595 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1351759419 378396 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351760575 874407 :opgrop!~opgrop@99-45-224-140.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351760593 202774 :opgrop!~opgrop@99-45-224-140.lightspeed.wepbfl.sbcglobal.net PART :#esoteric < 1351761689 325027 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1351761736 763402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1351761990 151463 :carado!~user4539@78.250.194.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351762267 497714 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1351762376 802800 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351762961 484192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1351763000 431666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1351763026 944722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1351763533 794867 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1351763539 318490 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :gur < 1351763723 138554 :carado!~user4539@78.250.194.249 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1351764122 590055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gur < 1351764450 950180 :carado!~user4539@78.250.212.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351764527 134265 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1351764893 507138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rug < 1351764943 277260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Please /nick to enlightening < 1351764946 524414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then back to elliott. < 1351764954 431901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So my /query window gets renamed. < 1351764956 298436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thx" < 1351764973 572275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1351764992 860438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :'( < 1351765004 473321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Alternatively, tell me how to rename an irssi /query window. < 1351765086 132831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1351765094 892418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try not using irssi < 1351765132 482148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how about you try < 1351765136 762509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :BEING SAD < 1351765192 548095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1351765422 313581 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351765598 840755 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351765895 621607 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so here's an idea for a language < 1351765914 583077 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its only way of branching would be to use lazy evaluation of boolean expressions < 1351765951 411381 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for instance, assuming x always return true, "if (b) {x} else {y}" can be written "(b AND x) OR y") < 1351765981 575265 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this language would do its best to do minimalist; in particular, its only logic gate would be the universal logic gate XOR < 1351766055 872804 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1351766061 405446 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1351766197 526337 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1351766552 428640 :carado!~user4539@78.250.212.172 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1351766712 421881 :mean!~this@188.214.33.238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351768085 353672 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351769785 674336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean: are you mean < 1351769843 398913 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :/mode +median mean < 1351769843 665016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds likely; the average person is mean. < 1351770014 648174 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1351770070 575881 :mean!~this@188.214.33.238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=)) < 1351770089 338365 :mean!~this@188.214.33.238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed they don't have this mode < 1351770092 356876 :mean!~this@188.214.33.238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on freenode < 1351770095 294388 :mean!~this@188.214.33.238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like undernet < 1351770095 639114 :mean!~this@188.214.33.238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1351770096 263745 :mean!~this@188.214.33.238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1351770135 428586 :mean!~this@188.214.33.238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to hide my ip < 1351770342 928428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like you want a cloak < 1351770353 461314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get one for asking for one in #freenode < 1351770355 366020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, < 1351770356 971144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome mean < 1351770366 586116 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1351770381 352431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(asking in #freenode after reading http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks, ofc) < 1351770392 99786 :mean!~this@188.214.33.238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1351770393 542524 :mean!~this@188.214.33.238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cloak < 1351770415 785454 :mean!~this@188.214.33.238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1351770417 453135 :mean!~this@188.214.33.238 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1351770462 699065 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351770868 368660 :this!~this@AC81E30C.ipt.aol.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1351770868 642814 :this!~this@AC81E30C.ipt.aol.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1351770916 309994 :mean!~this@188.214.33.238 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1351771154 61419 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351771457 960235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hey you know things about wayland right < 1351771517 162231 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351772500 949501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351773155 931467 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351773314 524500 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I try to start thunar, I get (thunar:27545): GVFS-RemoteVolumeMonitor-WARNING **: invoking List() failed for type GProxyVolumeMonitorUDisks2: Method `List' returned type `(a(sssbbbbbbbbuasa{ss}sa{sv})a(sssssbbssa{ss}sa{sv})a(sssssbsassa{sv}))', but expected `(a(ssssbbbbbbbbuasa{ss}sa{sv})a(ssssssbbssa{ss}sa{sv})a(ssssssbsassa{sv}))' (g-io-error-quark, 13) < 1351773321 663765 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that the weirdest error < 1351773605 22005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i think that's a dbus type thing < 1351773682 979740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem to be expecting three s too many. < 1351774335 202779 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1351774925 369806 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logging out and back in fixed it < 1351775152 855383 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351775537 887809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351775543 325805 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351775655 75107 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1351775666 99464 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you were right < 1351775700 64240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elliott was right?! Uh, I mean, of course. < 1351775715 766183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: but of course! < 1351775742 645802 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brogue is very fun < 1351775873 916018 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: http://RetroProgramming.com < 1351776709 561161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351776724 441802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351777091 36091 :nooga_!~nooga@public-gprs184634.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1351777107 172987 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351777107 852158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351777158 551852 :nooga_!~nooga@public-gprs184634.centertel.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've finally found the best reason to use OS X < 1351777182 337156 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go on...? < 1351777188 899838 :nooga_!~nooga@public-gprs184634.centertel.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehttp://cl.ly/image/3N1V131H2Z1B < 1351777196 489084 :nooga_!~nooga@public-gprs184634.centertel.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cl.ly/image/3N1V131H2Z1B < 1351777331 175224 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351777365 188997 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=50107 < 1351777520 967831 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1351777895 865839 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-5.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1351778184 727535 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-5.elisa.ee QUIT :Client Quit < 1351779189 61486 :nooga_!~nooga@public-gprs184634.centertel.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1351780625 750846 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-40-234.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351780656 218609 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-60-125.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1351780796 311466 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs184634.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1351780813 893846 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, how do I get rid of this horrible scroll bar if my
is too large? < 1351780870 900229 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :overflow: < 1351780877 474280 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, how do I tell mediawiki that it should let my browser display a newline if the line is too large for the screen) < 1351780877 748487 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :using CSS, that is < 1351780916 428313 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, mediawiki < 1351780922 910669 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind in that case < 1351780931 359542 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks anyway :) < 1351780954 54076 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I could insert newlines my self but that sounds like a bad way to deal with the problem < 1351780977 557123 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if not everyone has the exact same screen I have < 1351781028 505130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The obvious solution is of course to mandate same screens for everyone. < 1351781063 434619 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I was thinking about sending a mail to the president of computers < 1351781117 426701 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lessee, which US federal executive department would that be? < 1351781152 894119 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1351781172 513468 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Department of... Energy? < 1351781202 721827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't the chamber of commerce run the internet? < 1351781218 747113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does US have a Department of Conservation of Energy? < 1351781238 635771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't normally need government departments to enforce the laws of physics < 1351781252 783351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in case. < 1351781259 660631 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's have to be an agency of the Department of Things We Have No Control Over. < 1351781291 478531 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351781295 536541 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nah, the Democrats are in power and they're liberal < 1351781305 659442 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've got a Department for the Liberation of Energy < 1351781313 284774 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying there the president of physics is not needed? < 1351781322 308285 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs184634.centertel.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1351781325 598501 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think he would like hearing that < 1351781331 623894 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-40-234.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION votes for a Department of Entropy < 1351781464 158815 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we compromise on a department of enthalpy? < 1351781480 399700 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1351781633 198748 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I demand that it be a Department of Enormity. < 1351781638 68368 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-44-36.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351781639 794289 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-40-234.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1351781643 834053 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will not settle for anything less. < 1351781671 531473 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could apply for US citizenship on the basis that my gran was born in California < 1351781684 994279 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1351781704 922034 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what would happen if I applied for US citizenship. < 1351781773 450923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351781791 711620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351782178 821419 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, hum, anyone knows how to get rid of the scroll bar? < 1351782248 349371 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-82-9.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1351782339 617769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroll bar? < 1351782399 828698 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351782445 816912 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if I have a long line in a 
 block, it all stays in one line, with a horizontal scroll bar to see what's out of the screen
< 1351782463 110113 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of displaying automatic newlines as is done with normal text
< 1351782508 141101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. ask oerjan :P
< 1351782515 393938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see
< 1351782518 498135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right that is intentional
< 1351782527 409254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can change the pre-wrap style thing but i forget how right now
< 1351782634 463062 :MoALTz!~no@host86-132-136-34.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1351783327 202721 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-82-9.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :baa
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< 1351784702 178249 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "Sherlock" a real name?
< 1351784717 925785 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it appears to be a surname that exists
< 1351784725 817447 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it could presumably be used as a first name
< 1351784739 606730 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cf. Robson Green et al)
< 1351784755 749701 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(who incidentally was from Hexham)
< 1351784802 956836 :nooga_!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hex ham
< 1351784809 618696 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hexham
< 1351784812 569868 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham is a European town. There are nine people in Hexham, and at least two of them are in this channel. Taneb looks after the ham.
< 1351784831 420520 :nooga_!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what's Hexham, atriq 
< 1351784847 108047 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Robson Green doesn't
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< 1351784857 91690 :nooga_!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl NICK :nooga
< 1351784882 688354 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about at riq
< 1351784885 972335 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Octham
< 1351785184 871699 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1351786181 905691 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :after playing with this PDP8/e
< 1351786206 629382 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get how they could use it for something useful back then
< 1351786698 218385 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spoiled by Gordon Moore.
< 1351786863 826756 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :he didn't really predict anything
< 1351786941 433515 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMHO management divisions just learned about his predictions and ordered enginieers to fulfill them
< 1351787105 424444 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :He should have predicted faster chips then!
< 1351787131 814677 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1351787178 13902 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is another law
< 1351787216 226408 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that limits the speed of electrons :F
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< 1351787390 843601 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the size of components.
< 1351787400 322808 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the size restrictions were the harsher ones.
< 1351787410 77166 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the thermal ones too, I guess.
< 1351787462 501520 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smaller components get hotter because they have to move more electrons, which makes it harder to move electrons around, which makes it necessary to make the components smaller
< 1351787470 250913 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a wonder that these chips ever get made
< 1351787524 648378 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't modern chips generate more power per unit volume than a nuclear reactor?
< 1351787530 76848 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/power/heat/
< 1351787562 977436 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, nuclear reactors can probably generate more if they turned all the safeties off
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< 1351788209 902119 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: in which case they would be called nuclear bombs
< 1351788233 166979 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, no they wouldn't
< 1351788262 382916 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean there would be nobody left to call them anything?
< 1351788265 183961 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuclear reactors aren't even close to being able to properly explode.
< 1351788270 837743 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1351788288 136256 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought if you removed the control bars the reaction would chain exponentially
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< 1351788308 559529 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough to actually blow up.
< 1351788320 638966 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'VE BEEN LIED TO
< 1351788332 905970 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They tend to melt through the containment vessel or cause heat-related explosions.
< 1351788379 184299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason you get so much power out of a nuclear bomb is that you shove all the stuff together at high speed in a very precise way
< 1351788379 491155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1351788397 895611 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just that, the stuff has to be a lot purer than fuel.
< 1351788405 307478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which keeps it from flying apart just long enough to go crazy
< 1351788407 634390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's true
< 1351788578 59610 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although a criticality excursion might count as a tiny nuclear explosion? Anyway, not enough to fit into what everyone thinks of as a nuclear explosion.
< 1351788589 959411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the manhattan project had originally planned to use a gun-type bomb with plutonium
< 1351788606 605681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they couldn't make plutonium pure enough at scale to prevent it from spontaneously fizzling during the detonation process
< 1351788631 193931 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they had to use the much more complex implosion design for Pu
< 1351788854 336844 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you mix naquida in the fuel?
< 1351788887 6656 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends, is it fissile
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< 1351789027 846978 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly have no idea. They usually just link it to some random ship they found, using copper and a lot of tape, and it generates enough power to travel across the galaxy (and sometimes outside)
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< 1351792899 368562 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an email notifying me of a "female movable feast".
< 1351792969 325974 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.o
< 1351793002 147411 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's run by RBS so doubtless the name will be the most interesting thing about it.
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< 1351793082 609306 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-82-9.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1351793112 408975 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I have an email notifying me of a "female movable feast".
< 1351793114 234505 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what
< 1351793199 719501 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-82-9.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "female movable feast"?
< 1351793264 865135 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea
< 1351793273 750269 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It involves investment banking though.
< 1351794671 468611 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1351796778 113498 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1351797059 813562 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351797140 242564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1351797815 568145 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what speed the ARMv2a-compatible Amber core can run at? Do you know how to make some of kind of modifications such as hardwiring the cacheable areas and supervisor areas and so on?
< 1351798072 699837 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might need to make the computer at first using FPGA, later on it may be replaced with open-source FPGA and/or ASIC components.
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< 1351799022 780105 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this chess/shogi variants?   http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSkirachesskiras
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< 1351799509 500444 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Time to lose consciousness
< 1351799570 316259 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your opponent's Kira is a knight's move away or one space orthogonally away
< 1351799583 181198 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you mean by "one space orthogonally away"?
< 1351799688 420283 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't understand the thing about double wins
< 1351799858 869699 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: I mean what is sometimes called the "Wazir"; from c3, it can capture on c2, c4, b3, and d3, for example.
< 1351799889 779372 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1351799901 720700 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double wins is just for scoring, you count as 2 wins instead of 1
< 1351799911 463586 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but when does it occur?
< 1351799930 503534 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what I understand, you win when both special pieces of your opponents are out
< 1351799939 604490 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yES.
< 1351799978 547685 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when do you double-win?
< 1351800014 453721 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you win due to your opponent's L dies from your Kira when they have no Kira, then you win, this is a special win count as double. Same if your L capture opponent's Kira when they have no L, it is win so it count as a double win.
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< 1351800045 537306 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this understandable to you, or not?
< 1351800203 427939 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes but it that case it's only possible to double-win, is it not?
< 1351800228 489908 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, a win occurs when both L and Kira are dead... but for that, you have to kill one of the two, then the second
< 1351800243 100497 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're saying that when the second dies, if the first was already dead, it's a double-win
< 1351800250 21519 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, in those cases it is only possible to double win; if the second is captured normally though, then it is a single win.
< 1351800250 951204 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it looks to me like it's always a double-win
< 1351800259 815205 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1351800261 783044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Did U know that 1-877-SAF-RAIL dials directly to our Transit Police dispatch center? Put it in ur contacts. #potontrain #crimesinprogress'
< 1351800264 898297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HASHTAG POT ON TRAIN
< 1351800275 699247 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be confusing "killing" and "capturing"
< 1351800349 891193 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what exactly is the propoer vocabulary? "killing" for the death note, "capturing" for regular chess captures, and "eliminating" when not making the distinction?
< 1351800372 902763 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so.
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< 1351800433 628038 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can add that to the notes section.
< 1351800600 35982 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh I get it
< 1351800630 271643 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you eliminate your opponent's second special piece using your special power, then it's a double-win
< 1351800637 117521 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I get it right?
< 1351800812 246102 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
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< 1351801710 363569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'...physics doesn't really need sophisticated stats (unlike biology and medicine) because your data isn't crap.  Nobody approves a billion-dollar supercollider because somebody was just slightly able to exclude the null hypothesis at two sigma with a chi-square. People do approve billion-dollar pills that way.'
< 1351801776 10250 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-44-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the frontier of physics actually based in sophisticated stats? :)
< 1351801815 660130 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't anger the nerds
< 1351801828 840241 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rational drug design" being a distinct thing is pretty funny, though.
< 1351801848 235390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's angering what nerds
< 1351801872 462987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think in physics you are just expected to get more data until your conclusions are relatively clear
< 1351801993 760916 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-44-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, yes, physics does expect a ton of data. The higgs boson result recently was "5 sigma confirmation of the existence of *a* boson that happens to be consistent with the Higgs boson hypothesis.", no?
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< 1351803025 514229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think so
< 1351803030 941831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i 
< 1351803061 185858 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like you are emphasizing a distinction between "the higgs boson" and "a boson that happens to be consistent with the higgs boson" and I'm not sure that's a meaningful distinction
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< 1351803134 733917 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they would be different anyways; if it has the properties of the Higgs boson then it must be the Higgs boson isn't it?
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< 1351803150 976287 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, sure it is.
< 1351803206 105773 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you detected an unknown particle and you only knew it had a charge of -1 it would be consistent with an electron, but it could well be something else.
< 1351803232 699943 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes the electron has more properties than just its electric charge.
< 1351803253 843060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1351803281 36713 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-44-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm saying that the physicists themselves are making that distinction. In the name of being careful.
< 1351804049 82720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'What does a $1.6 million explosion sound like? We'll have to ask Fisker Automotive. Sixteen of the luxury carmaker's $100,000 Karma hybrid sports sedans caught fire, blew up and then burned to a crisp after being submerged during Hurricane Sandy. '
< 1351804634 230987 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :‘Not a lot of people know this, but the “B” in Benoît B. Mandelbrot’s name stands for “Benoît B. Mandelbrot”.’
< 1351804724 550054 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-44-36.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :♥ Mandelbrot
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< 1351806177 610892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only Unicode had a Mandelbrot Set character :/
< 1351806220 437618 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: actually for one of the two experiments it was actually 4.9 sigma :)
< 1351806632 186031 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is not really relevant at all, except very enjoyable for those who were part of the other experiment that got 5.1)
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< 1351814277 145740 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have had idea before, of a + | ^ operator (these being the C operators), which is allowed only if all are the same result, and its opposite being the - &~ ^ operator.
< 1351814295 483208 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be usable for optimization in some cases, I guess.
< 1351814367 497193 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-219-69.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1351814915 306656 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make a Verilog/VHDL/PALASM/other hardware description languages implementation of Checkout?
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< 1351819366 88165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :«I'm not a real programmer. I throw together things until it works then I move on. The real programmers will say "Yeah it works but you're leaking memory everywhere. Perhaps we should fix that." I’ll just restart Apache every 10 requests.» -- Rasmus Lerdorf
< 1351819370 133465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :«We restart HN every 5 or 6 days, or it gets slow (memory leaks).» -- Paul Graham
< 1351819374 22063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coïncidence?
< 1351819457 788918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1351819475 792759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :real programmers indeed
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< 1351821455 352055 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang idea: an esolang where leaking memory and having allocations fail is the only way to do conditionals
< 1351821576 436467 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: OK, let's write that in esolang list of ideas.
< 1351821622 240539 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been told that LLVM does not target old ARM architectures. It is not too much of a problem, since GCC can still target them.
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< 1351821744 528378 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM are still called RISC even though the new ones are more complicated.
< 1351821763 838634 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have an "evaluate polynomial" instruction?
< 1351821793 234899 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I don't think it has something like that; only I know VAX has evaluate polynomial, I think.
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< 1351821995 733290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RISC just means "not x86" now ;P
< 1351822186 312557 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-164-111.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I program in notx86 all the time!
< 1351822194 374133 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-164-111.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :notx86 is the best language
< 1351822423 277889 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why did they do that?
< 1351822459 457800 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RISC is in the name of ARM though.
< 1351822534 838404 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes I know but still the new ones are more complicated, having not just one but many instruction sets, and various other features added on
< 1351822576 531289 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still "reduced" from the vax, so it's all good
< 1351822610 889627 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In modern parlance "RISC" refers to ISAs that use a load/store architecture, no?
< 1351822648 450726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i would say it refers to a whole set of architectural features
< 1351822653 596206 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. without really ludicrously complex addressing modes, like x86 is known for...
< 1351822663 667379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM has some fairly complex addressing modes
< 1351822671 543725 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, right.
< 1351822671 661576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x86's aren't that complex
< 1351822681 540601 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM has pre/post increment/decrement which x86 lacks
< 1351822707 989136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but x86 lets you do things like INC a memory address, which RISC processors typically avoid
< 1351822719 625367 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And has a strcpy opcode.
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< 1351822734 466478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though you need something like that for concurrency primitives
< 1351822745 44568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atomic test-and-set is also a memory read and a write together in the same instruction
< 1351822835 267111 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6502 also has increment a memory address (it lacks a increment accumulator instruction!), and VAX even has increment immediate.
< 1351822860 593968 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :increment immediate, really?   is it self-modifying, then?
< 1351823002 970001 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if the program is stored in RAM it may, I suppose, do so. It sets the flags too so it might be useful for that purpose too.
< 1351823083 899463 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang.
< 1351823445 259926 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(RogueVM also can use (non-short) immediates as a destination, by using the PC post-increment addressing mode. I think this is similar to how VAX does it.)
< 1351823582 711457 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6502 does have increment X register and increment Y register, but cannot increment A register; but, instruction for addition is only usable with A register.
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< 1351824183 288017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by that standard, AMD64 also has store immediate, increment immediate, etc.
< 1351824236 873399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :incb (%rip); .byte 0xc2
< 1351824295 608427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip %rip
< 1351824360 626916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM is interesting because they added various features specifically to combat weaknesses of RISC
< 1351825309 272563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think increment/decrement address modes are an example of that
< 1351825338 3184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you have to load, add, store, and it just sucks
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< 1351825690 28870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That fourth operation is the worst.
< 1351826485 896805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sucking one?
< 1351826500 53529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm but what i said isn't very accurate
< 1351826506 160722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your counters should be in registers anyway
< 1351826879 973553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the wrost
< 1351826915 384020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched Star Trek: TNG for the first time the other day
< 1351826949 887423 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair warning, TNG honestly varies from awesome to suck.
< 1351826987 491369 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How'd you like whatever episode you saw?
< 1351827014 311370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had some expert nerds select a 3-episode cycle
< 1351827021 983061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay "select 3 episodes"
< 1351827055 112324 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That probably helps.
< 1351827056 819096 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I watched all of Star Trek a few years ago. It took about a year.
< 1351827070 472843 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in chronological order)
< 1351827075 24099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we watched "Clues", "The Measure of a Man", and "The Inner Light"
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< 1351827103 127550 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect selection.
< 1351827137 858273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't much care for the second one
< 1351827144 238136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"clues" was good and "inner light" was great
< 1351827179 770982 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Inner Light" is often considered the best episode of TNG. It is inarguably a great one.
< 1351827195 795638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's pretty cool
< 1351827204 877606 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That selection is overall great for giving you a feel of what the series is like.
< 1351827211 664710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent
< 1351827218 135256 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the whole series stashed away on a hard drive somewhere
< 1351827222 238540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's time for a marathon
< 1351827282 543263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"clues" had a cool idea but the structure was kind of weak
< 1351827301 421777 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beware: season 1 sucks horribly, and season 2 varies ("Measure of a Man" is one of the better ones)...
< 1351827323 317565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't really get very far in unraveling the mystery before data is just like "ok, here's what happened"
< 1351827337 885113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I watch these?
< 1351827378 546394 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The show really got into its stride after Roddenberry's death, TBH...
< 1351827378 631250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should watch "The Inner Light" at least
< 1351827383 94956 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: In short, yes.
< 1351827422 237087 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially The Inner Light. Hugo Award winner.
< 1351827450 390069 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A brilliant series of TNG remixes (to be watched in order): http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9CCCF2C09E92679B
< 1351827485 265651 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of three Trek episodes so awarded. (the other being "The Menagerie", the only TOS two-parter, and "All Good Things...", the TNG finale)
< 1351827497 683548 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("All Good Things..." is an amazing episode, but don't watch it yet.)
< 1351827540 799299 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Another one I recommend is "Darmok".
< 1351827636 274189 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has everyone watched Babylon 5?
< 1351827647 949357 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; it's in my giant queue
< 1351827692 223047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ℚ
< 1351827732 689678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ｑ
< 1351827781 665963 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s a rare show in that they had a great five-year story in advance instead of inventing the story as they go.
< 1351827801 722257 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my absolute favorites.
< 1351827836 141049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool
< 1351827838 642919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should watch that too
< 1351827860 659735 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You may also enjoy DS9. There might be a modicum of enjoyment from TOS and TAS. VOY and ENT will make you want to drink all the alcohol.
< 1351827906 999715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds hazardous
< 1351827919 433560 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better than remembering.
< 1351827984 879079 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :B5 can seem to start a little slowly (especially since you don’t realize all the apparently insignificant things that are preludes to big events later on) but after watching enough of it you’ll surely find it worth it.
< 1351827997 839705 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don’t realize the first time you watch it, that is
< 1351828020 912352 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the episode "Threshold" will make you omit the middlemen and simply give yourself a brainectomy.
< 1351828128 5604 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be sure to watch Star Trek: The Animated Series, the pinnacle of the franchise.
< 1351828147 488963 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't say that.
< 1351828159 166468 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's decently written, but the animation is hilariously bad.
< 1351828182 755807 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is threshold the one that got retconned out instantly?
< 1351828184 717977 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also does weird things to the setting if you accept it as canon.
< 1351828186 617076 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes.
< 1351828221 456121 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :M’Ress making random noises while talking http://youtu.be/jjGhYexrJ0c
< 1351828221 737250 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among other things, TAS imports parts of Known Space into the setting.
< 1351828273 359559 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the coloring is sad. ... The guy in charge of chosing the colors of things was literally color blind.
< 1351828357 566405 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdQwE6VK1hg
< 1351828360 822215 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fan
< 1351828361 713970 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking
< 1351828362 478488 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tastic
< 1351828433 953262 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, i had forgotten Threshold was *that* episode. Yeah, it was horrible. :-D
< 1351829201 755097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw, they're not making that spinoff of The Office starring Dwight and his wacky Nazi uncle, after all
< 1351829222 152729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was looking forward to finding out just how bad it would be
< 1351829321 913868 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have everything from S06E20 still in the queue.
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< 1351829523 42317 :krzysz00!~krzys@76.78.153.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote this over the last few days. Your thoughts? https://github.com/krzysz00/singl
< 1351829608 347000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see a spec for a language but not a high-level overview of why it's interesting
< 1351829615 767038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good languages (esoteric and otherwise) usually have both
< 1351829637 670443 :krzysz00!~krzys@76.78.153.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a point there, kmc.
< 1351829729 542457 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :krzysz00: It is OK, I think. Still you should also have what kmc request too
< 1351829963 57583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an esolang but its spec is uncomputable.
< 1351829973 375327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You know what else is uncomputable?
< 1351831039 802526 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All non-standard models of the natural numbers?
< 1351831424 602287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody's mom?
< 1351831789 115974 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the busy beaver function?
< 1351831823 462963 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-164-111.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Busy beaver is very computable
< 1351831828 780081 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: no it isn't
< 1351831837 202995 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-164-111.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it?
< 1351831843 51720 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-164-111.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has been a while
< 1351831843 99067 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1351831867 561091 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose you had a TM which could compute busy beaver
< 1351831906 543362 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could create a machine which took as input another machine, determined its size, and ran it for BB(n) steps; if it halts, then it accepts, otherwise it fails.
< 1351831911 229667 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you've solved the halting problem
< 1351832001 199455 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact this demonstrates that any upper bound for BB(n) is uncomputable
< 1351832011 89639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we can say that it grows faster than any computable function
< 1351832013 182592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kinda crazy
< 1351832055 488850 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, how are exact values (for BB on really simple machines) known?
< 1351832068 896430 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are those just lower bounds?
< 1351832076 733907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them are exact
< 1351832105 28092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you enumerate all the different turing machines of that size and prove that they halt or don't
< 1351832123 137011 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that a procedure, then?
< 1351832147 858127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no because you can search for larger and larger proofs forever
< 1351832182 895362 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1351832186 86893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, given the size of the machine, you have no computable bound on the size of a proof that it halts or doesn't
< 1351832200 621496 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given a fixed n, you can compute BB up to n
< 1351832209 688440 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no turing machine can compute BB for arbitrary n
< 1351832218 8583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO "you"
< 1351832241 586538 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's a bit clearer.  The whole thing always sort of confused me.
< 1351832266 440543 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I have a book with a graph of the kolmogorov complexity of numbers as a function, maybe I should focus on that confusingness first.
< 1351832628 230136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh i think there is something deeper going on here
< 1351832685 368007 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :say i have a turing machine M.  in one thread i run M, and in another thread I enumerate all possible proofs that M doesn't halt, and check them one by one
< 1351832692 693918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't this solve the halting problem?
< 1351832695 123401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the answer is
< 1351832727 327373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any (r.e.) axiomatic system of talking about turing machines, there is some machine which doesn't halt, such that you can't prove it doesn't halt within your system
< 1351832736 442357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically by gödel's incompleteness theorem
< 1351832753 35666 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahahah.
< 1351832772 881432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or else the system is inconsistent, but in that case it doesn't agree with the meta-theoretic definition of "halt" and so is useless)
< 1351832802 647222 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you enumerate the possible proofs that M doesn't halt?
< 1351832844 994165 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[minBound..]
< 1351832845 143633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proofs are just strings in some formal system; you can enumerate strings easily enough
< 1351832888 498160 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are infinite such proofs
< 1351832923 886459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but they are recursively enumerable
< 1351832934 480309 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but how do you know your system will halt?
< 1351832947 173756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because every machine either halts or doesn't (on a given input)
< 1351832954 736109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so either there exists a computation history showing it to halt
< 1351832959 813626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or there exists a finite proof that it doesn't
< 1351832967 930604 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the second statement which is wrong
< 1351832970 719161 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1351832984 114949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because even though the "proof exists" informally, you can't nail it down in any particular formal system
< 1351832988 527118 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even
< 1351832994 282664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whichever formal system you choose, some machine will escape you
< 1351832996 862144 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Either the machine M halts, or the search for a proof that M doesn't halt, halts.
< 1351832998 169822 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :example: write a TM which enumerates theorems of ZFC and terminates when it finds a proof or disproof of CH
< 1351833016 786490 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that by Gödel's incompleteness theorem, the second is not necessarily the case.
< 1351833020 863405 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you get the idea.
< 1351833033 359542 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think?
< 1351833046 742855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i'm not sure if that is the same thing or different
< 1351833047 356243 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any r.e. axiomatic system has turing machine halting proofs independent of it?
< 1351833048 126003 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, sorry, a proof of CH
< 1351833074 995083 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Seems like it.
< 1351833079 580370 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... actually, that doesn't quite work
< 1351833096 539580 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, you can find a TM for which halting is independent of your axiom system
< 1351833137 499798 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Quit: Do not mix astrology with drinks containing caffine, alcohol or water.
< 1351833221 919546 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=710 maybe this is what I'm thinking of
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< 1351834449 18163 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know which form of transit is still operating well in New York?  boats!
< 1351834461 689191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the IKEA boat is already back in service
< 1351834491 521933 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ikea has a boat?
< 1351834521 92092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1351834530 736943 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rad
< 1351834586 858174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ikea in NYC is somewhat inconvenient by bus or train
< 1351834591 542830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's right on the water
< 1351834605 358660 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they run a free shuttle boat
< 1351834649 915154 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever
< 1351834658 184088 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to have cheap furniture during the apocalypse
< 1351834710 25124 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except then people started using it for commutes and whatever
< 1351834717 558953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now it's $5 to go to IKEA, but you get a $5 gift card
< 1351834723 213369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to show a receipt on the way back
< 1351834740 313576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like the express buses to atlantic city that make you buy casino chips with your bus ticket
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< 1351844451 968685 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys guess what
< 1351844496 673020 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Poison  <-- My new programming language
< 1351844572 624032 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finished making my new programming language (Sort of enough for release)
< 1351844591 325637 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just adding a few more things before I release 1.1
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< 1351844840 383051 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: so tired, so vomitous
< 1351844900 306621 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a joke shubshub 
< 1351844937 618228 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, mediafire is legit
< 1351845105 715609 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :shubshub: couldn't you just paste help contents onto the wiki page?
< 1351845262 741524 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe in next release
< 1351845277 502458 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright fine ill post help on wiki page
< 1351845290 680497 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill also update it to 1.1
< 1351845776 524809 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're supposed to briefly explain what the language is
< 1351845927 509221 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im going to
< 1351846608 626857 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Updated along with help on wiki page
< 1351846609 650763 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Poison
< 1351846896 809817 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga I updatred it
< 1351847117 79730 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1351847281 340730 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1351847919 841200 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if troll or just a beginner ;o
< 1351848019 960950 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :why whats wrong with it
< 1351848107 943705 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351848152 18362 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :read other entries, like http://esolangs.org/wiki/Unlambda , http://esolangs.org/wiki/Befunge
< 1351848160 530432 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then read yours again
< 1351848211 835753 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh ill edit it later
< 1351848418 849477 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not only the description
< 1351848432 927220 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes your language interesting?
< 1351848709 352090 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that it uses smasller commands]
< 1351849441 959010 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :smaller than what?
< 1351849443 995162 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :python?
< 1351849604 250171 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :  yea
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< 1351849672 230406 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the execution model?
< 1351849768 229868 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do u mean?
< 1351849778 959632 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :-+
< 1351850024 704198 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do u mean by execution model
< 1351850368 326625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just out of curiosity, but did you actually write  if x == 'a' or x == 'A': y = str(1); elif x == 'b' or x == 'B': y = str(2); ... elif x == 'z' or x == 'Z': y = str(26)? 
< 1351850451 384034 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1351850474 656024 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :im typed up the entire language by hand
< 1351850502 813155 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway how did you get the py file I only posted the pyc file
< 1351850558 13159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decompiled it; to be honest, the  urllib.urlretrieve  and  ['runas', '/user:Administrator', x]  parts seen in strings file.pyc made me a bit uncomfortable.
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< 1351850568 329171 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1351850619 796653 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you release only the pyc file?
< 1351850634 270547 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk cuz I didnt want it to be Open source
< 1351850649 718964 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that useful?
< 1351850658 324907 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not
< 1351850758 21230 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added the runas admin feature for something I was doing at school
< 1351850884 892409 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Am Al
< 1351850915 310602 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am also the creator of another language called !!!Batch and also NumericBatch both of which are very unstable
< 1351851180 295131 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway gtg
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< 1351856989 466872 :russkiyhuy!~androirc@46.216.187.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello! preved!
< 1351857081 512966 :russkiyhuy!~androirc@46.216.187.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pidorasy present today?
< 1351857177 655175 :russkiyhuy!~androirc@46.216.187.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody ebanod dniwe?
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< 1351866155 758028 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Slower Speed of Light Official Trailer — MIT Game Lab http://youtu.be/uu7jA8EHi_0
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< 1351866674 53839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :preved medved
< 1351866714 448764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x
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< 1351866826 433099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy One day I was Bored and Decided to learn how to program in python so I went and watched some youtube videos however I didn't just want to program in Python I wanted to form my own language perhaps an easier No wait more simplistic version of Python with smaller command names And easier programming so here it is The Poison Programming Language
< 1351866826 513155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1351866870 63079 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351866879 404394 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verily.
< 1351866887 791639 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verily indeed.
< 1351866888 136729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1351866892 497512 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sweet
< 1351866904 576803 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verily indeed indubitably.
< 1351866913 165818 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I...
< 1351866917 476612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh Wow it's Shubshub
< 1351866919 853421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get good messages
< 1351866920 6040 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had seen all those messages before
< 1351866932 997789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: shubshub: the best?
< 1351866939 33184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i make poison the featured language
< 1351866962 180233 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I did see them and I downloaded Brogue and I am playing it RIGHT NOW
< 1351866965 98353 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not right now
< 1351866968 204226 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have it open
< 1351866984 623099 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : clear() - Clear the command line screen on a Linux Computer
< 1351866986 837547 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cls() - Clear the command line screen on a Windows Computer
< 1351866999 799204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: it's cross-platform
< 1351867002 764427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like java
< 1351867011 135070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion:  def clear(): os.system('clear')  def cls(): os.system('cls')
< 1351867013 211682 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, a specific Linux Computer, or just any
< 1351867055 277828 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need languages that let us clear other people's screens
< 1351867066 128862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mathes eqaution commands just print the result; now I need to manually copy the intermediate result to add three numbers. :/
< 1351867088 757100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sounds better than mathematica
< 1351867140 894009 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Ozone#Interp ?
< 1351867162 8733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: apparently i said something in 2008 and then didn't do it
< 1351867169 465336 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1351867174 361816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, I hate that I have to write  1 + 2  and then  Out[1] + 3  to add three numbers there. :/
< 1351867205 650546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it be 1 + Out[3]
< 1351867222 749547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's that.
< 1351867231 507782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 1+2 is 3 iirc
< 1351867252 207976 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1+2 ≈ FileNotFound
< 1351867280 441196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/cCjC look I'm pulling results from the future.
< 1351867326 43229 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall x: def x(): os.system('x')
< 1351867353 400748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ohh, right, Out is an array.
< 1351867362 720992 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocaml doesn't like me :(
< 1351867375 58902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It should automagically recalculate the display of the Out[n]s each time you cause them to change.
< 1351867381 887043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a spreadsheet.
< 1351867398 181698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the gooey version can do some stuff like that.
< 1351867407 731309 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to implement circlefuck using the circular buffer module I wrote some time ago but I need two pointers to the same buffer and ocaml won't let me do that
< 1351867468 392194 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I try including the module and adding functions to it, they don't work because they're not allowed to access the internal structure
< 1351867636 322746 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.9.2p318 :001 > def method_missing(cmd, *args) system(cmd.to_s, *args) end; echo "foo"
< 1351867638 813776 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo
< 1351867674 496182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://amoffat.github.com/sh/ is like that
< 1351867676 955999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is wonderful
< 1351867709 932305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: have you considered changing the module
< 1351867723 299850 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, I could rewrite it all
< 1351867725 159069 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :    self = sys.modules[__name__]
< 1351867726 703915 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :    sys.modules[__name__] = SelfWrapper(self)
< 1351867728 931026 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the kluge.
< 1351867737 775041 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is that really a good idea?
< 1351867754 485311 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first idea was to add a function "shallow copy" or something to it
< 1351867770 521343 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it causes problem if you try to pop an item that's the front item from a copy
< 1351867791 207991 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A European shallow or an African shallow?
< 1351867792 983834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: all i hear is yet more arguments against mutable state :p
< 1351867827 665121 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any idea to avoid using them?
< 1351867890 958403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well presumably you could use a purely-functional data structure instead... maybe for circular things that's a bit of a pain though, iirc Okasaki's /Purely Functional Data Structures/ extends the language with basic lazy values for things like that
< 1351867905 890169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I suppose you could implement them easily as (() -> a) if you're not worried about performance)
< 1351867922 729021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said there is probably some solution to your problem that does not involve rewriting your program
< 1351867927 367560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know OCaml, so who knows what it is
< 1351867938 913282 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was on holiday I wrote a Hunt the Wumpus clone
< 1351867941 717322 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's awful
< 1351867944 310622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can implement them as (() -> a) with good performance if you can close over a mutable cell
< 1351867960 511002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: right
< 1351867967 284233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that is nicer than exposing the mutable cell in the type
< 1351867971 474306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1351867977 702792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was my first idea
< 1351867984 28374 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write it in fucking C
< 1351867987 161470 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 functional imperative programming
< 1351867997 617139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to learn Fucking C
< 1351868001 449169 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking C is like system F, except you're forced to be more explicit.
< 1351868001 638962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a relevant ISO standard
< 1351868001 793898 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, how is fucking C different from regular C?
< 1351868006 209374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO-Fucking-9899
< 1351868011 344106 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it you call (() -> a)?
< 1351868017 857117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: The Aristocrats
< 1351868019 394078 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing the data structure with a function?
< 1351868020 868458 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: haskell
< 1351868033 611875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: I guess it is (unit -> a) in OCaml
< 1351868038 106911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I guess (unit -> 'a) even
< 1351868039 31904 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, I think it's thunking, but everyone's gonna shout at me because I'm wrong
< 1351868048 906754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's thunking about thinking
< 1351868061 915058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who'd've thunk it.
< 1351868092 324350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: anyway I was just talking about the implementation of a simple lazy value
< 1351868107 97506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use for implementing something circular-ish in a purely-functional manner
< 1351868113 592496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I suppose a circular buffer could work as a zipper or something instead
< 1351868119 908955 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I still have no idea what you mean
< 1351868125 238609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok
< 1351868135 946490 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a zipper would be fine if there weren't two iterators
< 1351868140 660143 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, two pointers
< 1351868185 252210 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data BiZipper a = BiZipper [a] a [a] (Maybe a) [a]?
< 1351868202 832213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: yuk
< 1351868208 930789 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a a a
< 1351868216 393896 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is the worst
< 1351868237 91060 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Maybe a constructor similar to ocaml's None / Some option type?
< 1351868251 500920 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably
< 1351868262 296901 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Maybe a = Nothing | Just a
< 1351868278 861051 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :type 'a option = None | Some of 'a
< 1351868309 583406 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there are at least three birthday parties in Hexham tomorrow. What's the word on the street?
< 1351868335 538524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there word
< 1351868343 993635 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1351868348 61074 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is
< 1351868354 575978 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"slow"
< 1351868366 581691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dont know the word
< 1351868370 473423 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them's a sort of surprise party for me
< 1351868374 578554 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I want to know more details
< 1351868385 433027 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I don't actually
< 1351868390 40487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well atriq
< 1351868392 40586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can tell you this
< 1351868399 136576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is ever word on the street i know literally none of it
< 1351868414 856360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may, in fact, be the single worst person in hexham to ask about the word on the street
< 1351868415 353599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1351868416 879090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations
< 1351868418 696622 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word on the street is "slow"
< 1351868424 269213 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a school zone
< 1351868442 769918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you 'in' in the Hexham party scene, though?
< 1351868487 126339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is the opposite of in these days
< 1351868493 343771 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"out"
< 1351868502 508253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right I am "out"
< 1351868575 730333 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :start your own private party scene. then everyone else will be out and you will be in
< 1351868591 575962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i get lonely
< 1351868597 502232 :mean!~this@188.214.33.238 QUIT :
< 1351868620 802621 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then little has changed
< 1351868652 720227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1351868987 703598 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rats_with_bushy_tails
< 1351869039 796242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1351869369 842770 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mysterious package arrived for me when I was in Ibiza
< 1351869378 668131 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go down to the post office depot thing to pick it up
< 1351869612 629017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how was Ibiza?
< 1351869617 614821 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boring
< 1351869751 832971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks
< 1351869916 456823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you know what else sucks?
< 1351869942 928555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP?
< 1351869949 373497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything
< 1351870006 876361 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :∀x. x sucks
< 1351870017 60392 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence PHP sucks
< 1351870040 219101 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP used to be a thing, but is it still a thing?
< 1351870045 157650 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1351870047 707637 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is sadly still a thing
< 1351870149 647298 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1351870356 621179 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :earth sucks
< 1351870399 368971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351870458 327979 :girafee!~girafee@115.247.138.6 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351870469 18282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome girafee
< 1351870480 165826 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :girafee: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1351870536 574428 :girafee!~girafee@115.247.138.6 PART :#esoteric
< 1351870622 860816 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, we might be able to do quicker welcome messages if we didn't rely on a bot starting up a linux environment on one of Gregor's computers every time
< 1351870658 23053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft
< 1351870671 152899 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I confused immersion with orientation today and I think I made a complete tit of myself :(
< 1351870689 295897 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you feel blue?
< 1351870698 24791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: that reminds me of boltzmann brains
< 1351870714 243276 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, that means nothing to me
< 1351870727 769130 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what's your sexual immersion
< 1351870727 955704 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ah, vienna!)
< 1351870754 426246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: don't you always make a complete tit of yourself
< 1351870762 611204 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, that's me
< 1351870774 962792 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, homeomorphic.
< 1351870799 847619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pedant's note, I couldn't be bothered doing that properly.)
< 1351870841 365563 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, Aphrodite?
< 1351870854 381946 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, sometimes cauchy sequences on the tit don't converge.
< 1351870891 89639 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need to apply the squeeze test
< 1351870942 533858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these jokes are dumb guys
< 1351870944 129658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To see if the tit is contractible?
< 1351871086 705253 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you would know dumb wouldn't you??
< 1351871163 964838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1351871652 857673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: what did you do in Ibiza?
< 1351871662 113750 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, very little
< 1351871677 175580 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was too windy to go to the beach and the wrong part of the island to party
< 1351871705 285569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... that sucks
< 1351871711 447896 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to see how much I suck at programming?
< 1351872507 838980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not
< 1351872663 940810 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :show us
< 1351872667 219885 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let us be compleasant
< 1351872696 183517 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fdc3.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION turns the light down low
< 1351872739 92663 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's time to GET A PACKAGE
< 1351872747 562475 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/77161
< 1351872749 102910 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1351872756 262617 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-41-221.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351872783 217615 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1351873042 601183 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the monster is called a wumpus
< 1351873050 149801 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where are the bats and the pits?
< 1351873122 706459 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't know if that's how it worked with the original game, but I believe it's better if the room numbers are attributed randomly
< 1351873136 908479 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that when you start you don't already know what leads where
< 1351873202 497248 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and last thing my comments are probably irrelevant as I can't read haskell
< 1351873475 819673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1351874656 591193 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1351874791 31792 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jerkcity.com/jerkcity1136.html
< 1351875816 67399 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351875818 99839 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back
< 1351875873 144995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: don't use data.array it sucks
< 1351875875 328673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- my helpful advice
< 1351876126 687632 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1351876130 994736 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elaborate please
< 1351876141 961460 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also give thoughts on the mysterious package I recieved
< 1351876221 9002 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351876231 449547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks
< 1351876234 759084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my elaboration
< 1351876254 604005 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351876262 399643 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: try importing it
< 1351876265 823868 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Client Quit
< 1351876279 927710 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what modules it contains!
< 1351876404 963705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351876481 851789 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what would you suggest to replace it?
< 1351876518 697245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: either a function, vector (from the vector package), or a map/hashmap
< 1351876521 338873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on your needs!
< 1351876528 853566 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go for a function in this case
< 1351876567 690045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should randomise the layout tho
< 1351876570 301143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be cool!
< 1351876572 453915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dumb
< 1351876707 745178 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION randomizes elliott’s layout.
< 1351876717 819740 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go ion
< 1351876789 312514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: btw why are you using makeLensesFor
< 1351876792 895069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than makeLenses or makeClassy
< 1351876822 413375 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know how they named them
< 1351876911 388070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: they expect your fields to be named _foo and produce a lens named foo
< 1351876959 274235 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1351876963 127904 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't quite what I have
< 1351876975 471161 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have fields named foo and lenses named foo_
< 1351877032 951292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but that sucks
< 1351877034 368344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't care
< 1351877161 209156 :MoALTz!~no@host86-132-136-34.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1351877199 952329 :MoALTz!~no@host86-132-136-34.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351877658 576612 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I've changed it
< 1351877892 216646 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It now uses functions instead of arrays, and makeLenses instead of makeLensesFor
< 1351877927 205051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now split that one gigantic definition you have into like five
< 1351878012 832574 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not gigantic
< 1351878016 252394 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's merely stupidly big
< 1351878017 268923 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-195-235.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351878032 622961 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's less than 100 lines
< 1351878035 886618 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ergo, not gigantic
< 1351878045 45864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gigantic
< 1351878835 182391 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1351879184 937630 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351879580 648990 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I've just been retweeted by an Internet not actually celebrity
< 1351879589 969510 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Webcomic author Dan Shive
< 1351880364 476983 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen
< 1351880579 191081 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-195-235.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1351881794 302302 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351882029 880165 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1351882087 810861 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
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< 1351882187 412783 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351882364 653467 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351882501 962429 :Sgeo|web!a7ce4365@gateway/web/freenode/ip.167.206.67.101 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351882531 57422 :Sgeo|web!a7ce4365@gateway/web/freenode/ip.167.206.67.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I crossed a shachaf. Am I alive?
< 1351882536 110762 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351882736 434296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1351882757 175568 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no!
< 1351882758 766978 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah!
< 1351882761 572440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was to sgeo
< 1351882766 533258 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh thank god
< 1351882769 615895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what does this mean: mount: /my/image/im/trying/to/loop/mount.img failed to setup loop device: No such file or directory
< 1351882772 225544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*img:
< 1351882876 393215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the file exists)
< 1351882878 237800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so does the mount point)
< 1351882885 480039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you have no loopback devices for some reason
< 1351882893 394566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :strace it
< 1351882897 645157 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember that time I installed pacman on my computer
< 1351882900 484589 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was fun
< 1351882915 299272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1351882921 406903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently that is true kmc!
< 1351882927 277625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't i have a loopback device
< 1351882932 699451 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1351882936 176564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a normal udev
< 1351882953 929423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes AIUI
< 1351882962 616871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with systemd, which I don't think matters?
< 1351882969 754223 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know then :/
< 1351882985 862635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know is systemd and udev merged
< 1351882991 417591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now i don't actually have a udev package
< 1351882993 44913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just systemd
< 1351883030 952546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1351883041 594541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeping up with how linux systems work is hard
< 1351883058 792684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well it's more that they just merged the packages upstream apparently
< 1351883064 716550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's still buildable separately or something
< 1351883149 157768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-August/006066.html
< 1351883161 849466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently that means basically "you can use udev without systemd in the future but we're not going to make it any better"
< 1351883360 827577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1351883374 950707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: actually maybe i do have a loopback device or something
< 1351883380 240818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do have the loop module loaded at least
< 1351883571 41833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :open("/dev/loop-control", O_RDWR)       = -1 ENODEV (No such device)
< 1351883572 469135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is puzzling
< 1351883578 479878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because
< 1351883579 556510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls -lh /dev/loop-control
< 1351883579 735083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crw------- 1 root root 10, 237 Nov  2 14:25 /dev/loop-control
< 1351883590 200536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wtf
< 1351883645 259440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh probably you just don't have loop.ko loaded
< 1351883655 255067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i've done sudo modprobe loop about 10 times
< 1351883661 588239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha ok
< 1351883663 20945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/3397886 apparently this person has the same issue on the same OS three months ago
< 1351883665 150388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe it's fucked somehow
< 1351883691 632409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i am sure it is fucked
< 1351883693 21683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it doesn't work
< 1351883699 589714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything in dmesg?
< 1351883711 805975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :checked before but no
< 1351883719 94013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing since boot-up
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< 1351883814 333910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo hi | sudo tee /dev/loop-control
< 1351883814 466185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[sudo] password for elliott: 
< 1351883814 513404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tee: /dev/loop-control: No such device
< 1351883814 513577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1351883819 601767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so loop-control exists as a device
< 1351883822 81245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is not a device
< 1351883829 490065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess the problem is 10, 237 doesn't identify a valid decide
< 1351883830 584747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*device
< 1351883832 255593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why not
< 1351883834 275578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a file but there's no device hooked up to it in the kernel
< 1351883834 722626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1351883839 648457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the mystery
< 1351883920 583504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ lsmod | grep loop
< 1351883920 908088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$
< 1351883926 10910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so modprobe loop didn't work i guess
< 1351883928 940465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why didn't it complain??
< 1351883947 479928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1351883950 479403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo modprobe -v sdlfkjsdfkl
< 1351883952 96732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also outputs nothing
< 1351883959 597209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is going onnnnnnnnnnnnnnn
< 1351884049 484157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe your system has deprecated the loop device completely, in favour of dm-loop?
< 1351884069 599674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK, I'm willing to accept that... but why is modprobe fucked?
< 1351884075 687482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and how would I get dm-loop working)
< 1351884102 948871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know if dm-loop ever went anywhere, I just remember there was one once.
< 1351884124 130177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dm-loop is lvm only from the looks of it?
< 1351884125 667305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have lvm.
< 1351884216 973491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sudo modprobe -v -n dosfjsdofjoidsf" doesn't even give any messages.
< 1351884219 446899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think grep loop /proc/devices should at least definitely say if the device is there.
< 1351884226 524537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even "modprobe foo" as non-root doesn't give me any messages.
< 1351884228 233350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's going on?
< 1351884242 162767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That outputs nothing, right.
< 1351884255 791431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems fairly obvious I need to load loop... so the problem is just that modprobe is completely broken??
< 1351884264 337495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they deprecated modutils and it's just a dummy stub. :p
< 1351884279 424352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it responds to --help and everything.
< 1351884308 96079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sudo modprobe -v -n dosfjsdofjoidsf
< 1351884308 143267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FATAL: Module dosfjsdofjoidsf not found.
< 1351884317 719029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ modprobe -V
< 1351884317 858528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmod version 10
< 1351884330 543171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your system has EVERY MODULE, that's why they all work.
< 1351884354 417357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what's your version?)
< 1351884363 219013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"module-init-tools version 3.16".
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< 1351884371 400470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very different.
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< 1351884417 234973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Name           : kmod
< 1351884417 385176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...]
< 1351884417 537907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conflicts With : module-init-tools
< 1351884417 583516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replaces       : module-init-tools
< 1351884420 305075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What's going on? :(
< 1351884434 669058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must be some kinda thing.
< 1351884484 294804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With module-init-tools being declared a dead project by its current maintainer, a new project has stepped up to take its place: kmod. This is intended to be a drop-in replacement, though deprecated functionality in module-init-tools has not been reimplemented.
< 1351884485 360021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hokay.
< 1351884538 166363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[
< 1351884538 435563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello,
< 1351884538 589005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :While setting up a new VPS with Wheezy under a module-less kernel
< 1351884538 635850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(everything compiled-in) I've noticed that kmod's modprobe silently
< 1351884538 636014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :returns 1 with no error message printed, no matter if you tell it
< 1351884538 636123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to load or unload a module.
< 1351884540 603770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]]
< 1351884542 617701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hokay.
< 1351884559 621063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "modprobe loop" is, in fact, failing.
< 1351884569 509651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is a mystery.
< 1351884596 369673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently things like "diagnostics" and "any messages" are part of the deprecated functionality they've not reimplemented.
< 1351884633 58999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[
< 1351884633 317260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a bit more testing using a more "standard" Debian install
< 1351884633 525956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(barebones system from current netinst with Debian standard kernel
< 1351884633 574415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.2.0-3-686-pae) I've found out that this behavior is caused by lack
< 1351884633 574560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias.bin .
< 1351884633 678351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]]
< 1351884635 759843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hokay.
< 1351884649 220856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking linux kids
< 1351884657 590187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta reimplement the whole system from scratch every few years
< 1351884665 281459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because clearly the old authors were idiots and that's why nothing works
< 1351884666 702748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I have that file.
< 1351884669 85803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1351884678 308091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it couldn't be that nothing works because it's all reimplemented from scratch every few years
< 1351884687 578581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a loop.ko in there though? 
< 1351884690 832092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of uni computing clubs actually
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< 1351884695 127538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably no coincidence
< 1351884710 875567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, um, it's a binary file.
< 1351884713 188282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to check.
< 1351884729 886343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess look at modules.alias?
< 1351884731 100973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, in the module dir.
< 1351884741 472165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, I have loop.ko.gz, yes.
< 1351884742 606509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias devname:loop-control loop
< 1351884742 760638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias char-major-10-237 loop
< 1351884742 807646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias block-major-7-* loop
< 1351884748 53544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what modules.alias has.
< 1351884768 702032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's linux... the reason usually is because the old authors were idiots
< 1351884787 995592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds suspiciously reasonable. It may be lulling you to a false sense of security.
< 1351884826 513891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm going to have so strace modprobe, aren't I :(
< 1351884864 955192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There weren't any of these .bin files when I last wondered about modules, around the 2.4.x series or something. There was just one ascii .dep file for modprobe and that was about it.
< 1351884874 133148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :open("/lib/modules/3.6.4-1-ck/modules.dep.bin", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
< 1351884874 293014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :open("/lib/modules/3.6.4-1-ck/modules.dep.bin", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
< 1351884874 340695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :open("/lib/modules/3.6.4-1-ck/modules.alias.bin", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory)
< 1351884879 759783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it's upset that those don't exist.
< 1351884886 552226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1351884897 910612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Guess why it's broken? Hint: It's a really dumb reason and I feel like an idiot.
< 1351884930 662428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Here's a hint:
< 1351884936 14335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls /lib/modules
< 1351884936 191345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.6.4-1-ARCH  3.6.5-1-ck  extramodules-3.6-ARCH  extramodules-3.6-ck
< 1351884956 691532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah ha.
< 1351884970 289356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see some different numbers.
< 1351884977 508143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason is I upgraded my kernel and it removed the old one and I haven't rebooted yet. :(
< 1351884988 790388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uh... be right back.
< 1351884996 942244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1351885008 330849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Linux system, you should always try rebooting first, it usually fixes all the problems.
< 1351885013 134898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait...
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< 1351885134 561202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, now it gives error messages.
< 1351885139 31647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And works when it loads loop.
< 1351885196 539935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, it works.
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< 1351885434 690826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:44:20:  kmc: You may also enjoy DS9. There might be a modicum of enjoyment from TOS and TAS. VOY and ENT will make you want to drink all the alcohol.
< 1351885439 961974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: aw c'mon, voyager is hilarious
< 1351885449 925501 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is being very drunk
< 1351885499 802552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I suspect the experiences are comparable
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< 1351885854 331994 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi guys
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< 1351886119 612514 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0048331
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< 1351886656 929180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shubshub: your language is really bad
< 1351886666 82266 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1351886682 10080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how to articulate the reasons
< 1351886691 675565 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1351886746 437332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: help me out here
< 1351886805 288704 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is shubshub the alter ego of someone here?
< 1351886815 896612 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
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< 1351886831 12136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't really look at it
< 1351886832 975776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1351886836 178136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's the alter ego of shubshub
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< 1351886845 292802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: here http://esolangs.org/wiki/Poison
< 1351886895 407797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is terrible
< 1351886914 259389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do the built-in functions have terrible short names
< 1351886929 652728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why do you need a different function to clear the screen on linux vs windows
< 1351886931 121176 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it easier
< 1351886933 390493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't the language hide that detail
< 1351886946 631916 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the function to Perform a Mathes eqaution doesn’t return the result, it prints it. So you can’t compute a Mathes eqaution such as 2+3*4 with it.
< 1351886962 730142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1351886963 953328 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it’s only distributed as a .pyc file, no source.
< 1351886969 225662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1351886987 990878 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : to make it easier
< 1351886988 742869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: that's a maths equation, not a Mathes eqaution
< 1351886998 979958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you know about famous Mathesamatician John Mathes
< 1351887006 709546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you one of those people who believes the difficulty of programming is proportional to the number of keys you have to push?
< 1351887036 148027 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I only know about Imhotep.
< 1351887094 629637 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1351887118 776650 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just out of curiosity, but did you actually write  if x == 'a' or x == 'A': y = str(1); elif x == 'b' or x == 'B': y = str(2); ... elif x == 'z' or x == 'Z': y = str(26)?
< 1351887123 240588 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes
< 1351887127 69410 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : im typed up the entire language by hand
< 1351887135 983264 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :can u please stop quoting me
< 1351887143 830002 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: If Jean stands exactly one nautical mile away from Lord Scotland, how tall is Imhotep?
< 1351887185 312361 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I dare not compute that, lest i suffer the Helvetica scenario.
< 1351887197 398104 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: It's easy!
< 1351887199 207353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : can u please stop quoting me
< 1351887214 24670 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's no calcium involved, so no fear of Helvetica.
< 1351887215 795478 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :u: Please stop quoting shubshub.
< 1351887233 430295 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode  --   u: No such nick/channel
< 1351887328 974899 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Poison&oldid=32167
< 1351887361 112929 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Poison&oldid=32171 As you can see Poison takes less coding to do Hello World :D 
< 1351887403 282952 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do u mean
< 1351887437 786991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realise you wrote that sentence not ion right
< 1351887458 494323 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1351887482 64235 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you switch from Ruby to Python in the middle of implementing Poison?
< 1351887499 572322 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuz I didnt like ruby that much
< 1351887499 761608 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why does the Python implementation not have hgWorld("True")?
< 1351887532 576838 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what does the g stand for?
< 1351887555 653888 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on let me think
< 1351887596 632823 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1351887608 891509 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hgWorld stands for Hello/Goodbye World
< 1351887623 335018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i take it back poison is my favourite language
< 1351887630 820947 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :really
< 1351887677 17135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1351887680 145315 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1351887683 964137 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does hgWorld("False") print "Goodbye World !"?
< 1351887693 766381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shubshub: well why did you make it
< 1351887697 582549 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fdc3.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, goodbye, world. it's very minimalistic.. though it may be not TC
< 1351887699 686083 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but I Believe hgWorld("False") did
< 1351887700 503035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some questions nobody can answer
< 1351887716 183016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shubshub: you literally just said the exact same thing as Bike
< 1351887732 180869 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry i didnt read it properly
< 1351887750 219016 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: He describes why he made it in http://esolangs.org/wiki/Poison
< 1351887766 168048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: well
< 1351887769 664820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: i wasn't counting that
< 1351887892 553054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about hgWorld(True) and hgWorld(False) though
< 1351887894 550094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do those print
< 1351887905 686121 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how about hgWorld("Foo")?
< 1351887912 987797 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1351887955 381418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!
< 1351887965 212409 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿¿¿
< 1351888058 517226 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fdc3.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.but i miss the two_power_eight(bool use_division_instead_of_power) function
< 1351889104 887476 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should redo my language with better commands or something
< 1351889109 851418 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fdc3.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i strongly recommend removing hoovers blog entry from the topic. we should encourage folks with a positive attitude. show them where to look among the garbage and the flowers
< 1351889124 905584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even Phantom_Hoover's blog post
< 1351889149 559911 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fdc3.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't change much
< 1351889180 916652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that blog entry is a joke)
< 1351889253 811901 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fdc3.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? sry i forgo to take my meads
< 1351889537 307126 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shubshub: It’s perfect the way it is.
< 1351891557 606945 :mindlessDrone!~mindlessd@vpn34-178.rz.hs-offenburg.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351891928 360324 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351892812 956319 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351892834 407633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome noooooooooooooooooooooodl
< 1351892837 607054 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooooooooooooooooodl: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1351892851 706148 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks
< 1351892857 936391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodl
< 1351892861 28934 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodl: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1351892864 117364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think you feel sufficiently welcomed yet
< 1351892869 253440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODL
< 1351892872 584477 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODL: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.)
< 1351892917 722432 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA"?????
< 1351892965 894506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esotericism
< 1351892966 209188 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1351892970 906533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? esoteric
< 1351892970 953174 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astral projection, crystal healing, the Bible, you know.
< 1351892973 668959 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.
< 1351892980 828872 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :)
< 1351892995 466561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODL
< 1351892998 727242 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODL: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.)
< 1351893005 102246 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if you make an astral projection-based programming language, this is probably the appropriate place.
< 1351893015 398454 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed!
< 1351893016 764095 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, do you guys seriously get visited by "that kind" of people often enough for that to be in the welcome message
< 1351893021 782871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1351893027 10901 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup.
< 1351893029 995236 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1351893034 340506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODL
< 1351893035 419260 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: It's not *exceptionally* common, but it's sufficiently common that it's necessary, yes.
< 1351893037 456361 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODL: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI:
< 1351893040 386419 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP
< 1351893043 38643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: do you feel welcome yet asshole
< 1351893047 617891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's ok i know nooodl
< 1351893052 168312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll never
< 1351893052 674463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop
< 1351893058 89477 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For everyone ELSE'S sake X-D
< 1351893062 408797 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ nooodl
< 1351893063 331534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those people dont have souls
< 1351893063 567481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twist: nooodl *is* "that kind" of people.
< 1351893065 755974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyawy im going
< 1351893065 858884 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ＮＯＯＯＤＬ：　ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ　ＴＯ　ＴＨＥ　ＩＮＴＥＲＮＡＴＩＯＮＡＬ　ＨＵＢ　ＦＯＲ　ＥＳＯＴＥＲＩＣ　ＰＲＯＧＲＡＭＭＩＮＧ　ＬＡＮＧＵＡＧＥ　ＤＥＳＩＧＮ　ＡＮＤ　ＤＥＰＬＯＹＭＥＮＴ！　ＦＯＲ　ＭＯＲＥ　ＩＮＦＯＲＭＡＴＩＯＮ，　ＣＨＥＣＫ　ＯＵＴ　ＯＵＲ　ＷＩＫＩ：　ＨＴＴＰ：／／ＥＳＯＬＡＮＧＳ
< 1351893088 769424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lambdabot has lens now
< 1351893098 272084 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should buy the TLD “esolangs” so that http://esolangs will work.
< 1351893116 401424 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should buy the protocol “esolangs” so that esolangs: will work.
< 1351893138 927107 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang:/esolang/esolang/esolang?esolang#esolang
< 1351893145 447562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much does a protocol cost
< 1351893152 752408 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :host an irc server on there too
< 1351893167 688331 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however much it takes to bribe browser developers
< 1351893182 560780 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/server esolangs
< 1351893194 326195 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh
< 1351893203 648753 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should build our own Internet.
< 1351893209 311846 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With booze and hookers and esolangs.
< 1351893210 577199 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ！詳しく、ウィキを見て：　http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。（他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ）
< 1351893263 360220 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ありがとう
< 1351893305 217563 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn wercome エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ！詳しく、ウィキを見て：　http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。（他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ）
< 1351893308 29611 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1351893315 335317 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :)
< 1351893375 29060 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '#!/usr/bin/perl -w\nif (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? wercome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "wercome"; }' > bin/wercome; chmod a+x bin/wercome
< 1351893377 977116 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1351893380 738818 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wercome pikhq
< 1351893384 272777 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wercome エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ！詳しく、ウィキを見て：　http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。（他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ）
< 1351893390 319082 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... >_<
< 1351893417 23772 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ！詳しく、ウィキを見て：　http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。（他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ）' > learndb/wercome
< 1351893419 937823 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: learndb/wercome: No such file or directory
< 1351893424 6587 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr
< 1351893443 971548 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ！詳しく、ウィキを見て：　http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。（他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ）' > wisdom/wercome
< 1351893447 100470 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1351893451 815975 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wercome pikhq
< 1351893454 916387 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ！詳しく、ウィキを見て：　http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。（他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ）
< 1351893463 143404 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That took more effort than it deserved X-D
< 1351893505 413975 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1351893505 671817 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1351893506 247065 :yiyus_!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351893518 890386 :rodgort!~rodgort@69.164.210.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1351893668 827448 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351893718 771512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/wercome
< 1351893721 752638 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1351893731 40585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: lambdabot has lens now
< 1351893735 191990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt lens use a ton of common names
< 1351894019 537004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly.
< 1351894073 766576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ("hello","world") % zipper % down _1 % fromWithin traverse % focus .~ 'J' % rightmost % focus .~ 'y' % rezip
< 1351894075 151874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ("Jelly","world")
< 1351894081 172916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well isnt that bad then
< 1351894084 582043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "pretty crazy huh"
< 1351894095 981250 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot should just import every single package on hackage
< 1351894107 101191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1351894116 684783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how does this gel with edwardk updating lens every 2 days
< 1351894120 722018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lambdabot being updated every 0
< 1351894125 52260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should patch GHC so that if there's a name conflict, it picks the one with the most complicated type
< 1351894144 959780 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351894146 654171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think you mean me updating lens every 2 days.
< 1351894149 909906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: https://github.com/ekmett/lens/graphs/impact
< 1351894152 968688 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn bonvenon Bonvenon al la internacia centro por la desegno kaj ellaso de esoteraj programlingvoj! Por pli da informado, vizitu la Viki-o: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Por la alia speco de esotero, iru al #esoteric sur irc.dal.net.)
< 1351894155 724681 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1351894161 329556 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"true esoteric"
< 1351894161 505590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :esperanto?
< 1351894166 602650 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1351894179 680415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, shouldn't we have tervetuloa?
< 1351894187 552914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And however you say "welcome" in Hexhammish.
< 1351894198 966987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :esperanto is the "pointless brainfuck derivative" of constructed languages
< 1351894207 636046 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s Lojban?
< 1351894211 762492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :malbolge
< 1351894214 65186 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno
< 1351894219 148712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :esperanto just seems pointless
< 1351894219 196265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :malbolojban
< 1351894225 381918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are already so many romance languages
< 1351894229 295811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pretty regular and easy to learn
< 1351894235 988073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people actually use them
< 1351894239 846277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^.)
< 1351894242 318592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall s a t b. s -> Getting a s t a b -> a
< 1351894247 699058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand Mutator
< 1351894253 282174 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lojban is binary lambda calculus
< 1351894253 442004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does it ever get specialised to Mutator
< 1351894254 392489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mutator = Identity
< 1351894256 667246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does it ever get specialised to Mutator
< 1351894259 620603 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's so 'simple'!"
< 1351894261 690418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it appears in errors
< 1351894263 977250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ^. doesn't use Mutator
< 1351894267 820874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1351894268 765488 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: But there are too many of them. Let’s make one that everyone can use! I’m sure everyone will switch to that one.
< 1351894270 524347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^=)
< 1351894271 870663 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall s (m :: * -> *) a e. (Integral e, Num a, MonadState s m) => SimpleSetting s a -> e -> m ()
< 1351894278 119514 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351894279 860072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1351894280 289797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess esperanto makes more sense in the 19th century context where all of europe hates each other and is super proud of their own shitty local things
< 1351894284 345708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimpleSetting uses Mutator
< 1351894284 467867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where does Mutator come into play
< 1351894289 776452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type SimpleSetting s a = Setting s s a a
< 1351894290 698111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it?
< 1351894296 66143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Setting s t a b = (a -> Mutator b) -> s -> Mutator t
< 1351894300 901536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Setter s t a b = forall (f :: * -> *). Settable f => (a -> f b) -> s -> f t
< 1351894301 513590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1351894301 791347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Setting s t a b = (a -> Mutator b) -> s -> Mutator t
< 1351894303 638345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a "politically neutral language that transcends nationality"
< 1351894303 685938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then
< 1351894338 729254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you like Bazaar?
< 1351894355 785176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a language that transcends rationality
< 1351894361 55794 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1351894365 50957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a god that stays dead, not plays dead
< 1351894413 841358 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Can you do those things?
< 1351894420 822070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, even I, can play dead
< 1351894444 868826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can you rationalize transcendentals?
< 1351894453 987974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful
< 1351894462 264082 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to gette some sleepe.
< 1351894462 422186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats wrong with bazaar
< 1351894485 479246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, there was a strictness bug in holesOf.
< 1351894492 708908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's fixed.
< 1351894497 487581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can you make it more safe?!
< 1351894510 544180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more safe howso
< 1351894517 268011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :holesOf :: LensLike (Bazaar a a) s t a a -> s -> [Context a a t]
< 1351894517 541675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :holesOf l a = f (ins b) (outs b) where b = l sell a f []     _ = [] f (x:xs) g = Context (g . (:xs)) x : f xs (g . (x:))
< 1351894528 244602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ins :: Bazaar a b t -> [a]
< 1351894528 292107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ins (Bazaar m) = getConst (m (Const . return))
< 1351894528 292282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :{-# INLINE ins #-}
< 1351894534 244112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :outs :: Bazaar a a t -> [a] -> t
< 1351894534 395646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :outs (Bazaar m) = evalState $ m $ \c -> state $ \cs -> case cs of [] -> (c,[]) (d:ds) -> (d,ds)
< 1351894540 775730 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn välkommen Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för design och distribution av esoteriska programspråk! För mer information, se vår wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på irc.dal.net.)
< 1351894542 31331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :See that?
< 1351894543 301484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more safe howso
< 1351894543 931314 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1351894555 877596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's using lists!
< 1351894563 926134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares
< 1351894568 758318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks total to me
< 1351894577 253739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the problem
< 1351894595 424447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePartsOf :: LensLike (Bazaar a b) s t a b -> Lens s t [a] [b]
< 1351894595 558523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePartsOf l f a = unsafeOuts b <$> f (ins b) where b = l sell a
< 1351894598 934481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeOuts :: Bazaar a b t -> [b] -> t
< 1351894599 89682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeOuts (Bazaar m) = evalState (m $ \_ -> state unsafeUncons)
< 1351894610 452427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is it's ugly. :-(
< 1351894651 223515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :howso
< 1351894663 825092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you write it
< 1351894686 732240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1351894700 891477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Bazaar a b t = Bazaar { _runBazaar :: forall f. Applicative f => (a -> f b) -> f t }
< 1351894702 36115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks fine to me
< 1351894707 808637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem if anything is in the functions using it
< 1351894709 270230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fix them
< 1351894712 647747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define your own f i guess
< 1351894747 182966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The *problem* is that there's no type safety, elliott!
< 1351894752 192192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"start caring plz"
< 1351894785 313719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how there's no type safety
< 1351894853 112102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's using regular lists, so how can you guarantee that it'll have the same number of elements?
< 1351894910 633964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Bazaar a b t = forall n : Nat. Bazaar ((n -> b) -> t) (n -> a)
< 1351894919 965880 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written some things on some paper I think there is some ways to make something like it having list of same number of elements, depending what you are doing with it there is the way.
< 1351895094 650836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but whats wrong with bazaar's definition
< 1351895113 458333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing's wrong with *Bazaar*.
< 1351895118 282592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the functions that are using it.
< 1351895120 156499 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the right and left bazaar? What is it?
< 1351895135 307975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What's a left and right bazaar?
< 1351895160 21150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so change the functions, not bazaar
< 1351895171 950927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I never said anything about changing Bazaar.
< 1351895182 989461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just define your own f that works as both Const and State
< 1351895192 690006 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know, it is why I asked.
< 1351895209 816489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, how?
< 1351895218 253573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Can you believe there was once a time when you cared about crazy types like that?
< 1351895237 547929 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I thought it was something like, newtype Bazaar a b t = Bazaar { _runBazaar :: forall f. Applicative f => (a -> f b) -> f t } being the right bazaar and data Bazaar a b t = forall n : Nat. Bazaar ((n -> b) -> t) (n -> a) being the left bazaar, or something like that.
< 1351895286 933386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well there's such a thing as applicative product....
< 1351895296 365342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Those are isomorphic.
< 1351895313 855766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er wait.
< 1351895322 418311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so just use product of const and state?
< 1351895325 784441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Bazaar a b t = forall n : Nat. Bazaar ((Fin n -> b) -> t) (Fin n -> a)
< 1351895332 868863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Which is what?
< 1351895339 852566 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What is Fin in here?
< 1351895348 541614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Product (Const a) (State b)
< 1351895362 146078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Fin n = natural numbers < n
< 1351895381 729078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Bazaar a b t = forall n : Nat. Bazaar (Vect n b -> t) (Vect n a)
< 1351895385 848791 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK
< 1351895453 913795 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O so that is how they work, OK.
< 1351895471 174116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for my category error before.
< 1351895479 448478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's that?
< 1351895484 109430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's what
< 1351895491 833351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Product blah blah
< 1351895495 344976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you write out the type?
< 1351895510 877683 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im rebuilding my language
< 1351895515 931088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how does it help?
< 1351895517 167814 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is a new command
< 1351895519 343328 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat("This is a cat program", math(9, 9, "*"))
< 1351895567 506123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/transformers/0.3.0.0/doc/html/Data-Functor-Product.html
< 1351895604 691225 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shubshub: this language is the one taped onto python right
< 1351895612 615841 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea
< 1351895624 355243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how that'll help.
< 1351895632 937337 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you write math(9, 9, "*") instead of 9 * 9
< 1351895635 157177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can combine in and out
< 1351895637 387123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: it's shorter
< 1351895638 475927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :less typing
< 1351895641 106701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what poison's good at
< 1351895642 30331 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh
< 1351895656 274334 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what would be really rad
< 1351895667 561405 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!python, numeric python, maybe numeric python
< 1351895667 656430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what
< 1351895670 121671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1351895688 227393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you like Bazaar
< 1351895691 717795 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :no just no monqy
< 1351895697 335495 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's bazarre
< 1351895714 634605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it is spellt bizaar!!!
< 1351895719 819599 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not
< 1351895729 750122 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bezoar
< 1351895749 903360 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fdc3.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1351895798 50378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oh drat, you caught me
< 1351895853 998555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: data Bazaar a b t = Buy t | Trade (Bazaar a b (b -> t)) a
< 1351895854 152544 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1351895856 791312 :mindlessDrone!~mindlessd@vpn34-178.rz.hs-offenburg.de PART :#esoteric
< 1351895878 811622 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that
< 1351895902 866341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Bazaar a b t = forall n : Nat. Bazaar (Vect n b -> t) (Vect n a)
< 1351895927 333434 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1351895936 107603 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do
< 1351895960 60402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :traverse
< 1351895982 260505 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1351895991 674399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now do you like it
< 1351896013 389492 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1351896025 952726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Bazaar a b t = forall f. Applicative f => (a -> f b) -> f t -- REAL DEFINITION
< 1351896039 902141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Bazaar a b t = Bazaar { _runBazaar :: forall f. Applicative f => (a -> f b) -> f t } -- ACTUAL REAL DEFINITION
< 1351896101 183724 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure
< 1351896105 319039 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to be changing your mind a lot !
< 1351896126 416024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's a medical issue :'(
< 1351896127 800220 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are all equivalent
< 1351896130 715591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :changeminditis
< 1351896141 516572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi copumpkin
< 1351896143 325530 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1351896143 938202 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: A New And Much More Improved Interpreter For !!!Batch has Been developed It is Called !Py!Batch: Download It Here: http://www.mediafire.com/?9zx97k7zl04xk67
< 1351896155 373959 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: i've seen that
< 1351896155 529397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I fixed the holesOf bug!
< 1351896160 551327 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :what bug?
< 1351896179 580527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was too strict.
< 1351896192 9292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no longer !" !
< 1351896200 342124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you you can use it on infinite lists and what not.
< 1351896264 817361 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://codepad.org/jThI4mnL !!!
< 1351896276 522063 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1351896283 89104 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :line 9 is the !!!Python code
< 1351896292 288777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!Python = !Python
< 1351896296 792555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in intuitionism !!!
< 1351896298 311545 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo "exec e('')" is part of it
< 1351896353 534847 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thhe encoding of the future
< 1351896593 52515 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1351896602 167527 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1351896603 877595 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1351896634 360509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1351896653 666765 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey remember that time we all set our names to some variation of "monqy" and said hi like a billion times
< 1351896660 244158 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither
< 1351896672 507069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1351896695 251416 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody is innocent
< 1351896715 865636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok because that means you're not innocent
< 1351896719 164991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :partner in crime
< 1351896781 981746 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi?
< 1351896820 291394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hi.
< 1351896838 131255 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hej!
< 1351896857 832420 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoi
< 1351896866 474313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup
< 1351896894 80054 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :soup? no, no soup
< 1351897032 945959 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, macgyver ran long enough to have episodes taking place after the wallfall
< 1351897981 377519 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what previously appeared to just be poor attention to keeping up the german accent, might actually be in-character
< 1351898109 394443 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a game with backgammon and chess together   http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSbackgammonches
< 1351899068 590468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Is "shachaf" a variation of monqy?
< 1351899225 137401 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, it's the rot13 of monqy
< 1351899250 750393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh
< 1351899252 913970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 monqy
< 1351899253 375701 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zbadl
< 1351899260 57823 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, shachaf
< 1351899266 209422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Where's oerjan?
< 1351899269 172952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss oerjan.
< 1351899278 101871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All we have is this cheap knock-off.
< 1351899352 586133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙮrjan
< 1351899390 964088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@∀rr
< 1351899391 312473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1351899392 656732 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan??
< 1351899395 58575 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan!
< 1351899402 878997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o oerjan
< 1351899487 727444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet he'll never come back.
< 1351899519 43110 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much money do you want to bet?
< 1351899546 446685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet you one Bazaar function.
< 1351899556 575965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you read _The Bottle Imp_?
< 1351899578 293707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-10-11.txt:07:53:38: -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: See you in a few days if I survive).
< 1351899578 384267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By Robert Louis Stevenson.
< 1351899578 430533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-10-11.txt:07:56:19: -!- oerjan has joined #esoteric.
< 1351899578 430687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-10-11.txt:07:57:09:  Just realized I probably shouldn't imply that I expect not to survive hospital :P
< 1351899578 430799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-10-11.txt:07:57:12: -!- oerjan has quit (Client Quit).
< 1351899584 176747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the only thing of his that I've read.
< 1351899603 807786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :-(
< 1351899606 824318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Maybe you shouldn't make jokes about oerjan dying.
< 1351899629 332967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan sorry
< 1351899629 507380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1351899633 376639 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351899644 883008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1351899647 504239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's been almost 20 days.
< 1351899655 822614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... not reassuring.
< 1351899663 779774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, s/almost/over/
< 1351899678 286935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try to get in contact with him.
< 1351899716 52572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should.
< 1351899732 200456 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if he just doesn't want to be here?
< 1351899742 31504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible
< 1351899767 912287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's perfectly possible... I never said I was going to drag him kicking and screaming back to the channel.
< 1351899845 757177 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wouldn't be kicking and screaming if you chain and gag him first
< 1351899920 192419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I will just send him an email.
< 1351899940 501335 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :caulk
< 1351899999 505776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Instead of taking up your entire Gmail window, clicking Compose now opens a smaller window at the bottom of your screen."
< 1351900000 428738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good.
< 1351900003 290732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just what i always wanted.
< 1351900058 254839 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351900226 403837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, what is it?
< 1351900246 485555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to oerjan?
< 1351900259 199329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A short story.
< 1351900267 712651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember enjoying it years ago but that was years ago.
< 1351900271 757341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should read it in English.
< 1351900298 934178 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the story of oerjan?
< 1351900311 582015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: last time he was in the channel was:
< 1351900314 418194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2012-10-11.txt:07:53:38: -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: See you in a few days if I survive).
< 1351900314 464448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2012-10-11.txt:07:56:19: -!- oerjan has joined #esoteric.
< 1351900314 464624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2012-10-11.txt:07:57:09:  Just realized I probably shouldn't imply that I expect not to survive hospital :P
< 1351900314 464732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2012-10-11.txt:07:57:12: -!- oerjan has quit (Client Quit).
< 1351900333 679728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably he's just recovering or whatever
< 1351900341 795261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's getting on close to a month now
< 1351900343 666968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you try to get in contact with him?
< 1351900355 794265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what
< 1351900358 302009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said that like a few minutes ago
< 1351900367 240411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes time to do things
< 1351900698 494443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, he last edited the wiki on 27 October.
< 1351900700 900188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it doesn't help that from what oerjan's told us he's pretty recluded
< 1351900703 826535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... no need to worry, I guess.
< 1351900744 590703 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless he set up a bot to make it look like he was alive?
< 1351900774 406270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet he's logreading this right now
< 1351900778 372506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Come on.
< 1351900779 218238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AREN'T YOU ØRJAN
< 1351900802 819166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1351900814 535252 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was wondering why he was in the hospital
< 1351900817 477673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe nobody knows
< 1351900837 214622 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematician's elbow
< 1351900872 49048 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Motion to include Poison in Category:Shameful.
< 1351900907 80530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Housemaid's knee.
< 1351900945 567864 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott> 
< 1351900948 45363 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott> 
< 1351900950 617366 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott> 
< 1351900953 113680 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott> 
< 1351900954 243016 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waait
< 1351900956 566070 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott> 
< 1351900959 208269 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott> 
< 1351900961 686211 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :< shachaf> 
< 1351900962 453856 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did the rest of the text go
< 1351900965 183632 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wtf
< 1351900982 414464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: second
< 1351900990 253871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was too outrageous for your irc client to show
< 1351900992 166864 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott>  2012-10-11.txt:07:53:38: -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: See you in a few days if I survive).
< 1351900995 105256 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott>  2012-10-11.txt:07:56:19: -!- oerjan has joined #esoteric.
< 1351900997 687927 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott>  2012-10-11.txt:07:57:09:  Just realized I probably shouldn't imply that I expect not to survive hospital :P
< 1351901000 739889 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :< elliott>  2012-10-11.txt:07:57:12: -!- oerjan has quit (Client Quit).
< 1351901006 684522 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I meant to do
< 1351901020 236568 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now somebody should quote you?
< 1351901030 573731 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's misquote a bit " Just realized I probably shouldn't imply that I expect to survive hospital"
< 1351901056 446684 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I probably shouldn't survive hospital
< 1351901064 409616 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's misquote again " Just realized I probably should clarify that I expect not to survive hospital"
< 1351901064 457600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi monqy
< 1351901081 33508 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i am a penis
< 1351901098 349762 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric : stick it in my pooper
< 1351901108 919807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes
< 1351901115 719833 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that went south quickly
< 1351901139 653 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric : just like migratory birds during winter
< 1351901170 282361 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my sincerest apologies to oerjan's ghost)
< 1351901203 667112 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1351901211 227139 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Penises don't have poopers
< 1351901495 139380 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this channel had rules or anything, that could be considered offensive
< 1351901522 766033 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought we'd established he's almost certainly better?
< 1351901530 282632 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen
< 1351901554 250096 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PART :#esoteric
< 1351901699 230853 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan or his ghost?
< 1351901885 738625 :SgeoN1!~androirc@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351901892 488782 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both i guess
< 1351901906 938595 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1351901909 804353 :SgeoN1!~androirc@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally, crossed a stable shachaf. Erm, have a stable Internet connection.
< 1351902122 321153 :SgeoN1!~androirc@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1351902133 827457 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1351902173 365407 :SgeoN2!~androirc@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some value of stable. Better than 3g at least.
< 1351902334 626077 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing that the Amber core documentation does not say is how fast will it run on the Xilinx Spartan 6?
< 1351902493 517014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :4G? 5G?
< 1351902495 69634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :6?
< 1351902651 519773 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1351902739 2597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gaslight.mtroyal.ab.ca/bottlimp.htm
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< 1351903145 200093 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1351903932 70589 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1351904848 937956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn it Lenovo, why won't you take my money
< 1351905131 609002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I hear Apple has MacBooks Air with 8GB RAM & i7.
< 1351905142 523397 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you trying to buy?
< 1351905738 387718 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1351906017 798547 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can't use clojure in GPL'd projects
< 1351906028 434539 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : the EPL's patent clause is ironically considered "additional restrictions" by the GPL
< 1351906034 54080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no nipple pointer though
< 1351906053 977184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy my two favore things: Clojure and arguing about software licenses
< 1351906067 755593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1351906132 418300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you hear the RethinkDB code is out?
< 1351906136 549804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the keyborad is probably worse
< 1351906137 687245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really
< 1351906139 233758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1351906140 931874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they've decided to AGPL3 it.
< 1351906642 52780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why aren't laptops getting the crazy high-resolution displays?
< 1351906898 574307 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because copying apple takes time
< 1351907178 621307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you can get a $400 2560×1600 tablet these days.
< 1351907194 837615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the laptop people don't even care! Ridiculous.
< 1351907411 218028 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PART :#esoteric
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< 1351910708 914302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.columbia.edu/~brennan/beach/fig2-16.jpg
< 1351910834 975472 :SgeoN2!~androirc@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This client has no rewson to be running.
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< 1351912186 908039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One of the most familiar images in New York transit history"
< 1351912193 772687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I feel bad for not recognizing it?
< 1351912219 69689 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351912223 891524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
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< 1351912820 896892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm impressed you back-resolved what web page that appears on
< 1351912831 527765 :evincar!~jon@70.42.240.22 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351912898 624704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The filename has a clue.
< 1351913067 960998 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion of this?   http://www.chessvariants.org/index/displaycomment.php?commentid=29641
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< 1351913769 776966 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hey, is your Chronojournal still hosted somewhere? it was interesting
< 1351913872 59331 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351914175 417280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people don't understand probability
< 1351914186 245890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you say that something has a 25% chance of happening and then it happens, you are an idiot
< 1351914221 854718 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1351914250 140571 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it doesn't happen are you still an idiot
< 1351914251 90332 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo yes
< 1351914282 755384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah most likely
< 1351914295 275110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy
< 1351915038 27073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have a brother?
< 1351915042 537787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who invents chess variants?
< 1351915068 96587 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes I have a brother who has invented some chess variants.
< 1351915080 587432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who invented more, you or your brother?
< 1351915084 747520 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I still have the software but there is no data.
< 1351915096 168061 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I did. However, some we have invented together.
< 1351915106 149022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a competition?
< 1351915109 410211 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b794c.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351915125 608430 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No.
< 1351915144 616440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's winning?
< 1351915181 165096 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we have not played all of these games, but I won sometimes and he won sometimes. I have not keep track.
< 1351915279 887352 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are four files not yet published:  http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSbackgammonches  http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSrecapturablech  http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSwithdrawingche  http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSkirachesskiras
< 1351915531 274023 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, backgammon+chess?
< 1351915533 609740 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds fun
< 1351916471 171701 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
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< 1351917530 323570 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to actually click the link
< 1351917589 917165 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1351917769 939036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys
< 1351917781 335987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i vote for the Green-Rainbow Party candidate for President of the United States?
< 1351917809 483093 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hell is that?
< 1351917833 411997 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is the Massachusetts state affiliate of the Green Party of the United States."
< 1351917862 536466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1351917882 228407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is zero chance that my vote will actually affect who is president
< 1351917894 569811 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you support rainbows?
< 1351917907 873238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because MA will almost certainly go for Obama, and because any world where MA goes for Romney is a world where Obama is hopelessly fucked nation-wide
< 1351917913 75987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes
< 1351917915 412961 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more the merrier
< 1351917921 753180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should vote for yourself.
< 1351917923 393902 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what you must do
< 1351917925 755850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc 2012
< 1351917933 742949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmmmmmmm
< 1351917953 915160 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right: vote for a version of yourself that has been blessed by the prism gods
< 1351917956 391793 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad thinks that NY might actually go Romney because of low turnout
< 1351917976 370773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems... unlikely
< 1351917988 854505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your dad have any evidence or credibility
< 1351918004 104092 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1351918036 14103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :urban areas probably recover faster from the hurricane
< 1351918043 765682 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your voting place is just down the street
< 1351918084 638172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to drive around suburbia avoiding fallen trees
< 1351918132 189294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Obama is ahead by 20-30 points so...
< 1351918566 368559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Indoor laundry drying 'poses a health risk'"
< 1351918579 742784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was confused until i realized it's the BBC and remembered that clothes drying machines haven't been invented in the UK yet
< 1351918606 587915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think because of nazis or something
< 1351918819 147668 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :like fan death, except dryer death
< 1351918835 662420 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pretty rare in italy too
< 1351918856 918629 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but average household power allotments is much much smaller there than it is in the UK or here
< 1351919627 578262 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Do you think that game is OK?
< 1351919641 715059 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I only looked at the Chess+Backgammon one
< 1351919683 197447 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, interesting, although can games go indefinitely? I note that bearing off is actually reversible, in a sense, as beared off checkers can end up back in jail
< 1351919795 497538 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, I suppose it might, although checkmate always ends the game too, and there is the randomness involved too.
< 1351919820 485914 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is possible to miss a turn in the chess game, sometimes!!
< 1351920007 211279 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because of this, there is no draw by repetition.)
< 1351922416 230109 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :having not paid attention in several minutes: what about the 50 move draw?
< 1351922585 282340 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: There is no 50 move draw. The only draw is not having a legal FIDE move (if not in check).
< 1351922600 540861 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1351923492 590349 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make other suggestion if you want to.
< 1351924712 691219 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know Chinese chess?
< 1351924732 44354 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of it, barely.
< 1351924757 325228 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, wait, Chinese chess more than Japanese chess, yes.  If Chinese chesss is the one on a star of david looking thing.
< 1351924836 711283 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither game is played on a Star of David (although that is an idea, to make up a variant involving such board)
< 1351924864 125234 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably you mean Chinese Checkers, is played on the Star of David.
< 1351924872 578821 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You're probably thinking "Chinese checkers".
< 1351924873 904828 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese Chess is a different game.
< 1351924896 408220 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, dammit.
< 1351924897 652512 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese chess, or xiangqi, is actually a chess derivative of sorts.
< 1351924906 656553 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it evolved from the same game chess evolved from)
< 1351924915 543483 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Japanese chess is based on that.
< 1351924927 899887 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka shogi)
< 1351924930 27480 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that makes sense.
< 1351924935 427484 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can play all of those games.
< 1351925034 298954 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a variant of Xiangqi with drops similar to Shogi.     http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSdroppablexiang
< 1351925063 4035 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The piece with different names are considered different kind, instead of calling them different name for the same kind of piece as is normally done.
< 1351925338 470607 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly heard of those games in context of alternative games in Hikaru no Go
< 1351925339 472023 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1351925407 906917 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've played Shogi. I'm not very good at it.
< 1351925468 259250 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have pieces and board of shogi, the board is made of paper, pieces are normal though. All of them fit in one small box.
< 1351925886 527896 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the flat pieces used with Shogi and Xiangqi rather than the 3D figures used with FIDE.
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< 1351942028 796157 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's Hexham challenge: gatecrash birthday parties
< 1351942033 79046 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three to collect!
< 1351942096 301476 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Hexham.
< 1351942153 503503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: The dual of Finland.
< 1351942156 602984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whose birthdays?
< 1351942159 274219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it elliott?
< 1351942166 326816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it's elliott, oerjan, and monqy.
< 1351942670 820729 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't elliott's birthday like in August or something
< 1351942693 524246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also in August.
< 1351942699 333765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who said you can only have one a year?
< 1351942705 185667 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, true
< 1351942720 330148 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I must prepare for partyings!
< 1351942723 208549 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodbye
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< 1351942740 24306 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Born again elliott.
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< 1351948581 154448 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm playing with USB OTG, so far my phone handled everything I threw at it
< 1351948595 824425 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm lets try the printer XD
< 1351948607 306060 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... "Printer connected"... now what
< 1351948731 578733 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm "can only print on samsung printer"? fail...
< 1351948825 254249 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, I could try this USB midi device...
< 1351948886 248030 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, it fails that
< 1351948984 503002 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB Lego IR tower: fail
< 1351949142 504738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if you connect it to another phone of the same model? Which one pretends to be the host and which one the device? 
< 1351949160 158103 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, don't have more than one phone handy
< 1351949163 146393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw.
< 1351949171 856870 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but I think it depends on who has the USB OTG cable
< 1351949178 627157 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the cable itself is being detected by the phone
< 1351949180 786508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm, that'd make sense.
< 1351949185 136220 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :even with nothing at the other end
< 1351949188 317259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have more than one USB port? I suppose not.
< 1351949194 230302 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1351949203 408591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping you could connect it to itself.
< 1351949205 655531 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to try my Saitek X52 Pro Joystick now
< 1351949222 775811 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the joystick powers on...
< 1351949229 175139 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the phone said nothing
< 1351949253 260625 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1351949266 467534 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it works with mouse, keyboard, USB sticks and that sort of stuff
< 1351949274 802523 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently some printers
< 1351949283 559376 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm web cam!
< 1351949285 264660 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets try that
< 1351949301 815960 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :old old old webcam
< 1351949309 383921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My keyboard reports "MaxPower 300mA" in lsusb -v, but it worked in the RPi's built-in USB port; was a bit worried. (Those are officially rated only for single unit load devices.)
< 1351949326 127831 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nope
< 1351949342 593570 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the webcam even work *tries in a computer*
< 1351949366 310422 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well windows says "no driver found". Linux seems to handle it as usual with older hardware
< 1351949398 537572 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the record, lsusb identifies it as a  "Bus 003 Device 002: ID 046d:0870 Logitech, Inc. QuickCam Express"
< 1351949428 491929 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Webcam support went a lot nicer ever since that gspca thing was rolled into the mainline kernel.
< 1351949443 250251 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would try my graph calculator, but I have a TI BlackLink for that
< 1351949446 920639 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so serial port
< 1351949487 596641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a useless webcam around here somewhere too.
< 1351949510 845904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does 640x480 and is usable only with very well-lit targets.
< 1351949513 67822 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if I have any crazy stuff left to experiment with
< 1351949514 335448 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1351949522 44146 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an old dumb phone with USB somewhere
< 1351949526 846463 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a samsung as well
< 1351949529 935371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall that the Windows drivers worked a lot better, so maybe there's a gain setting that the Linux driver doesn't know about.
< 1351949533 247437 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that should totally work, right? XD
< 1351949579 545808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any USB wifi dongles? 
< 1351949592 81995 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1351949639 539466 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :samsung on samsung action: both phones turned on their screens when connected, but showed no further interest in each other. One wasn't even charging the other
< 1351949648 607822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was wondering if it'd support that. Sounds a bit pointless, but not too far out.
< 1351949656 16608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This webcam is by Saitek.
< 1351949668 587998 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saitek made webcams?
< 1351949678 534402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently so.
< 1351949690 511755 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they only made HID devices
< 1351949700 541691 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, HID devices is a bit silly, like PIN number
< 1351949721 561548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like this: http://www.cbiz.nu/Media/Cache/Images/3/8/WEB_Image%20Saitek%20Flexicam%20webkamera%20%20webcam%20631362926.Jpeg
< 1351949734 358064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It folds down to be a short cylindrical thing.)
< 1351949759 226885 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, maybe Nokia on samsung will work better? have an old dumbphone nokia that I now use as an incredibly loud alarm clock (it rocks for that)
< 1351949764 37488 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :think it has usb
< 1351949769 216587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, acronyms are words, they should be used in the clearest way without getting hung up on the etymology of the word
< 1351949771 430240 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be usb mini instead of micro though
< 1351949779 963596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think the old phone would work as a mass storage device just fine.
< 1351949781 378248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bus 001 Device 028: ID 0c45:60fc Microdia PC Camera with Mic (SN9C105)
< 1351949795 756849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it actually has a microphone, though. But maybe it does.
< 1351949801 810736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are situations where "ATM machine" flows better than "ATM" in a sentence, and it's not like when people hear "ATM" they think to themselves "automated teller machine"
< 1351949802 66719 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, my old phones don't do mass storage
< 1351949815 225646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :      bInterfaceClass         1 Audio
< 1351949815 457781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :      bInterfaceSubClass      2 Streaming
< 1351949818 94154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, look at that.
< 1351949837 521395 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the nokia does USB micro
< 1351949842 938338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah I think saying "Linux has good support for HID devices" sounds better than "Linux has good support for HIDs" and that's fine
< 1351949886 33801 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hey, the nokia asks if I want to connect as "PC Suite" or "Utskrift & media" to the other thing, with "Datalagring" greyed out
< 1351949897 788804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the last one is greyed out since it doesn't have a microsd card
< 1351949919 268743 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither of the available options do anything though
< 1351949931 436053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[4322122.491248] input: sonixj as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.2/usb1/1-1/1-1.4/input/input29
< 1351949936 291215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, the camera even has a button.
< 1351949967 108744 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, funny thing, that Nokia doesn't charge through USB
< 1351949979 891468 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses a separate connector for that
< 1351950027 354197 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, lego USB tower doesn't work on 64-bit windows 7
< 1351950033 969309 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :works fine on linux still
< 1351950037 887131 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not on the phone
< 1351950060 582444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My work phone (Nokia C2-01) came with a charger for the "small hole" (2mm or whatever), even though it does have a µUSB port, and can charge through that.
< 1351950069 135851 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1351950096 5689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The USB hole is in the side of the phone, under one of those tiny plastic flaps, though; the regular charger connector is in the top and always open.
< 1351950102 36393 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what about my camera... if I can find the USB cable for that (it uses a non-standard connector)
< 1351950140 378850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get a "type 1 (EV_KEY), code 212 (KEY_CAMERA), value 1" out of /dev/input/event10 when I press the button in the webcam.
< 1351950164 305622 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1351950183 126873 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the hell is the battery for the camera...
< 1351950224 961548 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the charger...
< 1351950351 73371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes, the camera quality was just as horrible as I thought.
< 1351950456 440295 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what about a hub
< 1351950463 993793 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have a powered hub somewhere
< 1351950470 946602 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :USB 1.1 one
< 1351950519 226630 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey I found a non-optical mouse
< 1351950533 834049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you should plug in your phone is one of those cell-modem USB sticks; then you could make phone calls and access the Internet over it, from your phone.
< 1351950547 25117 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1351950551 136757 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don
< 1351950554 821029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't* have that either
< 1351950640 431948 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :found USB hub
< 1351950646 185388 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure where the adapter to it is
< 1351950662 745985 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't say which voltage on the port
< 1351950663 960558 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so eh
< 1351950700 433788 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not going to risk that
< 1351950758 196819 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, speaking of USB power, I have a USB stick here that requests two units of power
< 1351950760 326550 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1351950766 146428 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just a 512 MB stick
< 1351950777 686914 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairly old
< 1351950952 177941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, as mentioned, this keyboard requests three.
< 1351950962 253568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it has a backlight kind of a thing.
< 1351950991 235463 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I watched one video about Halo 4, since I was curious as to what the franchise is about (never played any Halo games)... Guess what the recommended list on the youtube front page is filled with now...
< 1351951016 8469 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does it act as a hub as well?
< 1351951033 86027 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so that is probably why
< 1351951040 403362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's just a keyboard.
< 1351951044 220521 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1351951047 606464 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :backlight then
< 1351951070 607770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My #1 recommendation seems to be some *really* bizarre-looking Sonic comic thing.
< 1351951089 459202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably I clicked some links from the Sonic let's-play videos, they had some rather bizarre links too.
< 1351951133 389387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a badly drawn Sonic in a hospital bed with both hands bandaged, and an annoyed-looking Knuckles looking at him.
< 1351951145 416846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the thumbnail; I don't think I want to watch the video.)
< 1351951174 407688 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, youtube is currently ONLY recommending Halo
< 1351951175 877488 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :100%
< 1351951181 384115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1351951190 760418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There probably are quite a few Halo videos around.
< 1351951207 182286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they need a bit of inertia added to that algorithm
< 1351951259 596180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah. I went to the "recommended for you" page, and there the #1 hit is "Funny pics of Sonic and friends 2", where the thumbnail is a comic of Amy and Shadow kissing.
< 1351951269 662302 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :who?
< 1351951275 408996 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never played any sonic game
< 1351951290 10165 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know who knuckles is, but Amy and Shadow? no clue
< 1351951296 14076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amy is canonically Sonic's girlfriend, or at least a clingy thing that'd want to be his girlfriend.
< 1351951299 779443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :She's very pink.
< 1351951322 326081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Shadow is kind of like Sonic except all edgy and dark and antihero. He shoots guns, and works for G.U.N. or something.
< 1351951326 897640 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :" or at least a clingy thing that'd want to be his girlfriend." <-- oh? some drama there? Unanswered love?
< 1351951347 278978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think Sonic is mostly depicted as being annoyed by her.
< 1351951366 505134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :She does seem quite annoying, so maybe that's understandable.
< 1351951426 931445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some backstory for Shadow, but I've forgotten what it was. Some kind of an attempt to create the "ultimate life form".
< 1351951462 233574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's Sonic's adversary in some games, but also an ally in others.
< 1351951503 73585 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1351951504 148322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All very interesting, I'm sure. :p
< 1351951512 21453 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sonic have any sort of story to it?
< 1351951518 528637 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than, beat the boss
< 1351951537 244539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The newer games tend to have bit more of that; and then there's of course the comics.
< 1351951628 65650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sonic 3 & Knuckles have that emerald-stealing plot, so there's a bit of a story there.
< 1351951662 489321 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was always Eggman trapping little animals
< 1351951667 683359 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And turning them into robots
< 1351951674 57762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there's that too.
< 1351951729 648689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the new games do have cutscenes and all that fluff, and a story.
< 1351951765 546486 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what am I reading?
< 1351951791 297501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're reading #esoteric, the global hub of whatever it was.
< 1351951794 407746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome nortti
< 1351951809 63065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1351951814 225478 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sonic Adventure was released in 1998/1999, does that still count as new?
< 1351951814 273169 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1351951816 460088 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1351951824 822377 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I'd say so
< 1351951835 860291 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : And turning them into robots <-- how?
< 1351951836 926969 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think most people will disagree
< 1351951840 571235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: It's threedee, it's new.
< 1351951850 141929 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems an terribly inefficient way to get hold of the component materials
< 1351951856 844473 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if blod is quite rich in iron
< 1351951862 83237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The animals are still inside the robots.
< 1351951866 446928 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Original Sonic The Hedgehog came out in 1991
< 1351951867 7482 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, okay?
< 1351951879 620551 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So 7 years between original and Adventure
< 1351951888 916465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or something like that, anyway. I really don't know what the point is.
< 1351951897 113613 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 14 years between Adventure and now
< 1351951898 496021 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1351951917 355282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Yes, yes, but it's all "new games" since Sonic & Knuckles anyway.
< 1351951961 874631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Since" in the non-inclusive sense.)
< 1351952623 729136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hs11.snstatic.fi/webkuva/oletus/560/1305612374418?ts=176 -- yesterday, this was still a water tower.
< 1351952640 523781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then the two-million-litre tank fell off, this morning.)
< 1351952653 76802 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where? And was anyone hurt?
< 1351952662 443301 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what about the flood from that
< 1351952668 106944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Jyväskylä; and no, there's nobody living nearby.
< 1351952678 762773 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least too nearby.
< 1351952702 268311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think those things tend to break quite that spectacularly, usually.
< 1351952742 420029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a "before" shot: http://static.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/tattijuttu0311MH_uu.jpg
< 1351952752 805672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stump is what's left.
< 1351952865 526711 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1351952877 275106 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a very clean break
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< 1351961637 569386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:46:28:  does your dad have any evidence or credibility
< 1351961642 388127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the generalised answer to this is "no" btw
< 1351961719 469336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:28:16:  What is Hexham.
< 1351961722 683835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: what isn't hexham
< 1351961821 138037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "As of October 2009, the states of Florida, Colorado, Utah,[11][12][13] Hawaii, Maine and Vermont had passed laws forbidding bans on clothes lines."
< 1351961826 87800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: laws forbidding bans
< 1351961833 297703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(re: dryer thing. why am i looking this up)
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< 1351962003 22374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
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< 1351962547 174071 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I always thought Chan4 was a branch of BBC." -- redditor
< 1351962607 787177 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, as i believe the kids these days say, "lulzy"
< 1351962639 225819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my coworkers uses that word all the time and it's like nails on a chalkboard to me
< 1351962705 843083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like he is trololololing you so that u mad
< 1351962707 238225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh kill me
< 1351962752 420189 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a guy in my kitchen who is like that it is so annoying
< 1351963003 211589 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok i'll get right on that
< 1351963029 797978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1351963037 334480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: like, some guy just showed up in the kitchen in your house and won't leave and talks in internet memes only?
< 1351963062 97426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a good plot point for a wacky post-modern sitcom slash angst-inducing existentialist play
< 1351963100 83007 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, we just share a kitchen in the halls
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< 1351963433 749153 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be an awesome play though
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< 1351968330 126803 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah there are a lot of birds in my yard now
< 1351968355 761612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :two robins, two bluejays, a bunch of sparrows, a starling, and possibly a mockingbird
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< 1351968458 214188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as pretty as this starling though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lamprotornis_hildebrandti_-Tanzania-8-2c.jpg
< 1351968747 506302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A startling starling.
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< 1351972652 102550 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : kmc: "As of October 2009, the states of Florida, Colorado, Utah,[11][12][13] Hawaii, Maine and Vermont had passed laws forbidding bans on clothes lines." <-- lol what? banning cloth lines?
< 1351972674 509043 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what context? Sale of them or just using them to hang clothes on?
< 1351972759 572722 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles it
< 1351972786 226238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay... that's weird
< 1351972902 164737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because they are deemed unsightly?
< 1351972922 218224 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it is associated with poverty in some parts of US.
< 1351972926 439810 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :very strange
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< 1351972938 636202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Vorpal: you are both misreading
< 1351972942 769582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they passed laws *forbidding* bans
< 1351972946 700477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless i am misreading you in turn
< 1351972949 492985 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah I understand that
< 1351972955 931178 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is why there were bans in the first place
< 1351972964 371938 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I just find the concept of them being banned in the first place so weird
< 1351972970 934034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/11/us/11clothesline.html
< 1351972972 824313 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so I was investigating that
< 1351972974 535478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking NIMBYs
< 1351972980 192446 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, fucking what?
< 1351973003 108760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nimbys
< 1351973009 137901 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles that
< 1351973022 76342 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah I see
< 1351973090 843661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- a time before clotheslines became synonymous with being too poor to afford a dryer --"
< 1351973100 348324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird stuff.
< 1351973101 309672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really fucked the degree to which your neighbors can screw with your if your house doesn't match the ideal of perfect soulless suburbian mcmansion
< 1351973135 240870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have these people ever actually used a drying machine
< 1351973137 658796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are sort of awful
< 1351973144 600883 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, in US maybe... You can't really do that stuff over here
< 1351973144 650183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no the ones in the USA are great
< 1351973153 85495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: reall
< 1351973153 636704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: really
< 1351973156 891069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason all the drying machines in the UK are awful
< 1351973162 66962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1351973162 772368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame hitler
< 1351973188 638995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clothes-line-dried clothes are really nice though, i am going to be a luddite and say not even fancy us drying machines can compare
< 1351973199 83193 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck you don't even need to contact the planning offices if what you are building is small enough (forgot exact size, iirc something like 8 m² or such)
< 1351973247 788877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :houses in the UK are destroyed => flimsy post-war houses built with shitty wiring => can't run a clothes dryer
< 1351973253 282169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ring circuits!
< 1351973260 662729 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1351973272 568582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the USA a clothes dryer is a huge thing which plugs into a special outlet that has twice as many volts as usual
< 1351973287 582572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your twice as many volts, isn't that our regular? :p
< 1351973288 828896 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it will dry a big load of clothes completely in about an hour
< 1351973291 760340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1351973298 673313 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you beat me to that
< 1351973310 122017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it is rated for more current as well, but i don't know the figure off hand
< 1351973336 833949 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no that is just 220 actually
< 1351973338 864651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :we use 230
< 1351973342 739040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably 30A
< 1351973346 812394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well *our* dryers plug into three-phase power. (Not really.)
< 1351973369 862643 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, I think our washing machine is three phase
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< 1351973467 303929 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the stove. Since there are three fuses protecting it and parts of it still works when the fuses are blown.
< 1351973483 608931 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have a cloth drier though
< 1351973515 20457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the washing machines in some more communal laundry places have used industrial plugs -- the IEC 60309 "CEE" ones -- though I haven't checked whether it's single-phase or three-phase.
< 1351973540 995359 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is your stove three phase though?
< 1351973548 202230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1351973570 298321 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is also a three phase outlet in the greenhouse
< 1351973575 350577 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :since I
< 1351973582 135688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the washing machine isn't; it's just regular Schuko.
< 1351973586 333350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, it's pretty dinky.
< 1351973590 249713 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not the one interested in gardening in this household I have no idea what it is used for
< 1351973595 552269 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of heating or something maybe?
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< 1351973688 706473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A small number of marinas provide 230 V single-phase power through a red three-phase connector (breaking the relevant standards in the process). This goes some way to ensuring that only boats that have paid the required fee (and thus obtained an appropriately made-up adaptor cable) are able to use the electricity."  Heh, nasty.
< 1351973712 454869 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1351973729 261572 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, or you could make one yourself pretty easily
< 1351973766 910085 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't it be easier to, I dunno, put locks on the power boxes
< 1351973778 273264 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, probably
< 1351973855 945672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got a blue CEE 2P+E single-phase <-> Schuko adapter in the boat, since marinas indeed quite often have the former.
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< 1351973913 899773 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm, does the former have any advantage?
< 1351973923 60804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :like water resistance or something?
< 1351973929 18424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's maybe more rugged by default.
< 1351973935 197972 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1351973953 45490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you could just put a flap on top of the regular outlet.
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< 1351973979 447144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's rated for a bit more current too, the standard size is I think 16A.
< 1351973994 301472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just seem to recall that's Schuko's rating too.
< 1351974016 851780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently so.
< 1351974281 643430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Ruby on Rails Jobs - www.mirRoRplacement.com - All we do is work with startups seeking Ruby on Rails developers.'
< 1351974296 460481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Rails didn’t just help us build better web apps, it introduced us to the most welcoming and nourishing developer community we’ve experienced.'
< 1351974299 685110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmmm yes nourishing
< 1351974334 694120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at this µUSB charger that came with a Bluetooth headset, to see if I could use it also to provide power to the RPi; it's a mains-powered standalone charger, but according to the markings it manages to provide the 5V DC current at a stupendous 180 mA.
< 1351974343 940195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wonder charging the phone with that didn't quite work out.
< 1351974381 634257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The phone's own bundled charger does 1.2A or so.)
< 1351974560 246779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perilex do you have this kind of thing? It mentions "Sweden" in the first paragraph.
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< 1351974574 574028 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never saw one of those before
< 1351974594 226100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks kind of silly.
< 1351974609 854109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: PerilEx sounds like a Win32 API function that gives extended peril.
< 1351974614 25866 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I presume you seen the bottom of https://www.apple.com/uk/ ? Heh.
< 1351974642 173199 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not familiar with it.
< 1351974643 771962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that is less flashy than i was hoping
< 1351974649 905682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was hoping for a full-page "samsung tablets are awesome" ad
< 1351974650 789479 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, quite so
< 1351974674 943671 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weren't those supposed to go into news papers or something?
< 1351974679 386897 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :have that happened yet
< 1351974695 78178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall that the earlier statement was more like "the court said our tables are significantly cooler, so there, nyah nyah".
< 1351974699 907521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tablets.
< 1351974707 675303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm sure Apple's tables are quite cool too.
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< 1351979672 187009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tables, reinvented. Again.
< 1351979682 849190 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy has been UPDATed
< 1351979712 235412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1351979866 444401 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1351980178 867134 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: add nooodl to the list btw
< 1351980190 158958 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1351980883 540441 :notjoe!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1351980957 175242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mother is trying to install a purchased copy of Office on a new computer
< 1351980968 725161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing so apparently requires creating a Windows Live account before they'll tell you your product key
< 1351980982 846259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and giving a lot of personal information as a result
< 1351980987 49868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she doesn't understand why
< 1351981086 202138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here have a built-in explanation?
< 1351981117 550779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft gotta get paid
< 1351981146 436646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is after buying a copy of office, though
< 1351981202 739892 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1351981214 186703 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wtf would Office require a live account
< 1351981225 832873 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which office version is that?
< 1351981255 6797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010, no-CD-in-box version
< 1351981267 185054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they give you a code that you can put into their website to get the product key
< 1351981275 534441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the website also forces you to log in
< 1351981306 181347 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2012/10/31/nyregion/20121031_SANDY_GOBIG-slide-KULN/20121031_SANDY_GOBIG-slide-KULN-jumbo.jpg
< 1351981330 410527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it makes it harder in some way to use the same key twice
< 1351981436 640615 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking it's an anti-piracy thing yeah
< 1351981720 686577 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why use office anyway, for most people libreoffice should be just fine
< 1351981728 861727 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha
< 1351981744 711204 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good one Vorpal 
< 1351981768 947547 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the powerpoint replacement is kind of terrible, but the spreadsheet and document editing parts are okay
< 1351981787 681114 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for me
< 1351981797 659114 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're trying to work on documents that are slightly more complicated than an essay with someone who uses Office.
< 1351981803 846733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they properly import and export -- yeah
< 1351981817 422386 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, hm okay. Is that with docx or doc though?
< 1351981821 379015 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :never really worked with docx
< 1351981859 346270 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, even if doc worked perfectly, if docx doesn't, are you really going to convince everyone to save as doc?
< 1351981888 858153 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, we use .doc, .xls and so on at work for compatibility reasons, even though we have modern office
< 1351981896 569844 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so eh, doesn't seem unreasonable
< 1351981987 513188 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have office at home, works just fine for me.
< 1351982004 185508 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use libreoffice a lot either though.
< 1351982060 519919 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is everyone using libreoffice instead of openoffice?
< 1351982084 691334 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I last installed/upgraded it, openoffice was oracle, not sure if that is still the case
< 1351982094 743214 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. it is now apache
< 1351982097 648189 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1351982103 135097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, what is the difference nowdays then
< 1351982153 665780 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: openoffice is under apache license
< 1351982168 333743 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1351982174 802524 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, and the other one is under gpl?
< 1351982190 93326 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1351982197 176851 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't care less then.
< 1351982202 884278 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :any feature differences?
< 1351982238 160850 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think no
< 1351982247 530416 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is run by oracle, no?
< 1351982262 712703 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not anymore
< 1351982266 873899 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, except it isn't any longer it seems
< 1351982269 789671 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oracle divested OpenOffice to Apache.
< 1351982270 910993 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, you know these?  http://i.imgur.com/VpfZV.jpg
< 1351982279 497285 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made a subreddit for them.  http://www.reddit.com/r/westwoods/
< 1351982293 830327 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LibreOffice is by far the better one.
< 1351982302 229582 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1351982361 937212 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A major part of their development has been targetted towards "making it not suck". They've removed tons of dead code, and made it *actually integrate* into the UI on Linux systems...
< 1351982379 702114 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, which UI on linux? All of them?
< 1351982394 875445 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It integrates with GTK2, GTK3, and Qt.
< 1351982401 63198 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, no motif
< 1351982407 837212 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, no xaw
< 1351982421 861309 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the useful targets.
< 1351982428 409053 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why nothing integrates to my twm desktop?
< 1351982431 165326 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about CDE? for those poor SunOS users out there?
< 1351982433 890102 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OO.o just looked like a Win95 program.
< 1351982449 449550 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *Solaris* has been on GNOME for over a decade now. :)
< 1351982454 246486 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I know
< 1351982461 391243 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess why I said SunOS specifically
< 1351982463 7132 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck SunOS.
< 1351982472 11409 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1351982481 784151 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1351982500 754296 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is ancient=?
< 1351982503 144081 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/=//
< 1351982510 573901 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti confirmed to be obnoxiously curious toddler
< 1351982515 557431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :news at 11
< 1351982536 997200 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1351982558 401309 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, what is so wrong with SunOS and Solaris
< 1351982560 637897 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+?
< 1351982571 113139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Motif is now free software!!!
< 1351982584 980531 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so is cde
< 1351982587 282380 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, heirloom or what?
< 1351982599 894055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know what that means
< 1351982607 171866 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heirloom toolkit
< 1351982612 731782 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :some old *nix tools
< 1351982624 127563 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably even older ones though
< 1351982629 222798 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sysv and such iirc
< 1351982630 569137 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that have to do with motif
< 1351982632 378219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot the details
< 1351982640 702408 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, motif would fit right into there :P
< 1351982646 29164 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :who uses it these days
< 1351982672 869096 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do
< 1351982691 168712 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use either motif, xaw or tk
< 1351982691 785541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would guess that "Fuck SunOS" is by contrast to Solaris
< 1351982724 566225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: is your name greg
< 1351982772 512150 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes.
< 1351982778 543906 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no.
< 1351982779 191873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tanner greg swett
< 1351982790 805892 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's part of my reddit username.
< 1351982793 192491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did someone say something about uncomputable axioms?
< 1351982798 789724 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf
< 1351982818 32076 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, there's this funny thing I learned recently.
< 1351982821 600964 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to tell you about it later.
< 1351982836 197493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy
< 1351982841 787810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: how's monqying
< 1351982847 121897 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1351982857 733487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ok :'(
< 1351982913 390339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523, why use office anyway, for most people libreoffice should be just fine ← she says it's so that the corporate IT people where she works won't refuse to support her when she has trouble showing a presentation
< 1351982928 318944 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1351982961 501219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1351982968 406129 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough
< 1351982990 701035 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but that is on her home computer?
< 1351982993 621465 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1351983003 467992 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: she's making the presentations at home and showing them at work
< 1351983007 40156 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1351983049 826004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: make a smiley face
< 1351983058 76600 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should i
< 1351983084 403557 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: because :)
< 1351983253 99143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, the words "Completing Office setup" are being shown in the windows 3.1 system font
< 1351983262 756545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it seems to have been doubled in size by doubling the pixels
< 1351983336 881255 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1351983340 63436 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what office?
< 1351983426 317157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine a world in which nortti does not pretend not to konw what people are talking about
< 1351983455 700754 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry elliott i can't
< 1351983459 982076 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my imagination: kaput???
< 1351983524 78502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: kaput is such a good word
< 1351983530 347682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you think of a better word; i can't
< 1351983573 594624 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not off the top of my head. imagination remember
< 1351983611 413792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remembering things isn't imagination, monqy
< 1351983616 925510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about: doff
< 1351983637 448162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no
< 1351983643 145744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about: paraphernalia
< 1351983652 727295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no
< 1351983670 597235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about: אצטרובל
< 1351983681 738041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no
< 1351983705 852047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about: hypothesisn't
< 1351983725 532692 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am not sure if it is refering to openoffice, libreoffice or (most probably) microsoft office
< 1351983761 49633 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad ais never said which it was earlier
< 1351983766 833424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about: experiphysically
< 1351983771 422149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: help
< 1351983775 481667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what is the point of this
< 1351983790 705354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: do you use Vorpal's irc client
< 1351983791 285545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: good point
< 1351983799 521475 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no. why do you ask?
< 1351983829 805299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal's irc-client is well-known to not support backlog
< 1351983840 338711 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1351983857 368992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to ask him
< 1351983877 185672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some suspect that it was not his client but in fact himself who chose to not read backlog to the inconvenience of others
< 1351983881 39656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are just rumours
< 1351983957 353721 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I found the lin you were talking about but it looks like this:  00:48 < ais523>  ais523, why use office anyway, �~augur@208.58.5.87] has quit [Remote host closed the connecti
< 1351983984 474708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was actually more like 30 lines
< 1351983994 19293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: for reference, Microsoft Office 2010
< 1351984000 352265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the exact version number hadn't been mentioned before)
< 1351984003 200079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Home & Student
< 1351984026 840773 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that is only ais line I can find before my backlog goes so corrupted it can't be read
< 1351984043 827223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should use an irc client that doesn't corrupt your backlog
< 1351984047 736109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite a good feature IMHO
< 1351984051 808954 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using irśssi
< 1351984066 679213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't dare to ask how that differs from irssi
< 1351984075 929402 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*irssi
< 1351984132 341955 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is either ncurses version in broken gentoo installation last updated in 2009, irssi compiled wrong or screen messing something up
< 1351984165 359637 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you asked the geek squad
< 1351984170 617014 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1351984189 429874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: have you tried not using a broken gentoo installation last updated in 2009
< 1351984225 529677 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is not my server. it is mailserver of my irc friend
< 1351984247 238252 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: irssi is up to date
< 1351984260 656155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: have you tried not using a broken gentoo installation last updated in 2009
< 1351984282 473537 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes. the problem was not present on my own computer
< 1351984351 190199 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'r still using a broken gentoo installation last updated in 2009??
< 1351984368 833387 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this some sort of friend agreement
< 1351984372 320267 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1351984377 596560 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :use the mailserver or you are no longer pals
< 1351984383 53204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the dumpster gods wanted his computer back
< 1351984392 197273 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no!
< 1351984399 969892 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't take my computer!
< 1351984421 601820 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it is just so much easier to run irssi on server I can stab
< 1351984429 770749 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stand backlog corruption
< 1351984458 484321 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you still SO?
< 1351984473 980505 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/12kz49/what_optimizations_can_ghc_be_expected_to_perform/
< 1351984484 302032 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[SO, bounty, expires in 20 hours]"
< 1351984500 312182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i answer questions on SO occasionally when i feel like it
< 1351984524 507209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing a gigantic answer in 20 hours for some points is not quite up my alley
< 1351984534 867554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even that large a bounty!! i need larger internet point bribes than that
< 1351984545 99151 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351984550 975139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: this line contains a UTF-8 character in the Latin-1 range: é and one outside the Latin-1 range: ņ and then it continues on afterwards
< 1351984555 349484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it look for you?
< 1351984624 170717 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < ais523> nortti: this line contains a UTF-8 character in the Latin-1 range: é and one outside the Latin-1 range: 
< 1351984645 486623 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is 2 lines by the way
< 1351984650 432825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: "and then it continues on afterwards"
< 1351984662 94170 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1351984668 891628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ņhi guys what's up
< 1351984679 864635 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that was my idea too
< 1351984686 38800 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. it seems it converts utf-8 to latin-1 and then back to utf-8
< 1351984693 154738 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just why
< 1351984694 517074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ņ ais523: it was someone else's, also
< 1351984705 841110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ņ something about microsoft office
< 1351984718 602494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how did you hide lines from Vorpal, again?
< 1351984721 557285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it starting them "ehird:"?
< 1351984736 246759 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can see what you are talking about from logs
< 1351984746 594486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehird: hi monqy
< 1351984751 557210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ņ if you have to read the logs, then you'll be able to see the context
< 1351984753 259070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: shut up
< 1351984769 387098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i forget
< 1351984772 336765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Make ais523 kick me!
< 1351984775 195451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam
< 1351984775 806256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam
< 1351984776 594439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam
< 1351984779 745178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ☝
< 1351984784 745502 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not straight from the logs but tail -f irclogs/freenode/\
< 1351984791 978460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how about you just stop being a fucking moron and embarrassing yourself by acting like an idiot whenever me or monqy talks
< 1351984792 513282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1351984802 976644 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*tail -f irclogs/freenode/\#esoteric.log | cat -v works
< 1351984805 781112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this is not an interesting meme
< 1351984818 652919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's one that's quite harmful for productive discussion
< 1351984824 247320 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kicks shachaf 
< 1351984825 321951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the best you can hope for is everyone ignoring you
< 1351984834 493802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1351984843 557780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a good deal worse than kicking. :-(
< 1351985656 56574 :comex`!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :comex
< 1351986770 553264 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351986909 76025 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1351986955 387982 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351986973 479957 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1351987200 174129 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1351987236 407510 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351987415 415456 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1351987529 169293 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351987633 34626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dickachu
< 1351987660 503463 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION translates to Japanese
< 1351987662 663976 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pikachin
< 1351987701 923094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dikhq
< 1351988097 173716 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1351988515 777272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/10/31/us/2012-sandy-POD-2.html#/?slide=11 Our Lady of the Extension Cord
< 1351988539 101253 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1351988834 950436 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/12kce9/apple_resizes_website_so_that_the_samsung_apology/
< 1351989397 150842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is there specifically to get the bottom 310px of the website out of view. Independent of screen resolution."
< 1351989397 963010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing
< 1351989672 522613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This code appears in most of Apple's non-US sites, not just the UK site." aw
< 1351992798 334191 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1351992845 561341 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1351993087 989401 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351993444 28830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc:
< 1351993446 212047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty flip
< 1351993447 514943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b -> c) -> b -> a -> c
< 1351993453 496927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not everything, but it's something!
< 1351993457 496433 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1351993542 991836 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo
< 1351993589 344858 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1351993603 487714 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1351993634 988184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> over both (+1) (1,2)
< 1351993638 349956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (2,3)
< 1351993662 486709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> toListOf (traverse._1) [(1,2),(3,4),(5,6),(7,8)]
< 1351993664 714959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,3,5,7]
< 1351993811 971190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> both succ (1,2)
< 1351993814 39924 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instances for (GHC.Enum.Enum (f0 b0), GHC.Num.Num (f0 b0))
< 1351993814 87273 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising fr...
< 1351993816 1556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
< 1351993818 311252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-----(
< 1351993825 475597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :)-------------------------------------------:
< 1351993832 871366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> both (pure . succ) (1,2)
< 1351993834 360054 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (f0 (b0, b0)))
< 1351993834 521445 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `M48...
< 1351993839 240908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runIdentity $ both (pure . succ) (1,2)
< 1351993841 364565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (2,3)
< 1351993844 471609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck
< 1351993850 90088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t over
< 1351993851 611615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setting s t a b -> (a -> b) -> s -> t
< 1351993887 358820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :· ·
< 1351993889 28868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : |
< 1351993893 260637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/-\
< 1351993909 381516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the king of all cosmos?
< 1351994058 724483 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::───────────┐
< 1351994060 738667 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :     ┌──────┼───────┬────D
< 1351994062 680710 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :     └──────┘       └────D
< 1351994233 937786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1351994279 877491 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what exactly is that meant to be?
< 1351994294 559758 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alien dick?
< 1351994318 504334 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :A..ha
< 1351994327 961818 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two-faced smile of ion
< 1351994371 862386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A-ha?
< 1351994401 767966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion++ for using line drawing characters
< 1351994406 248164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :line drawing characters are the best
< 1351994478 422070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :┌─────────┐
< 1351994479 694580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :│I ♥ CP437│
< 1351994481 2312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :└─────────┘
< 1351994666 642077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my terminal font does a really, really bad job with the ♥ character
< 1351994670 145159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/sW4qQ.png
< 1351994689 739278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it was always thus
< 1351994725 741851 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should ask for your money back.
< 1351994777 115862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your terminal and font?
< 1351994805 501630 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351995116 600081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1351995164 781243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rxvt-unicode -bg black -fg white -fn "x:6x13"
< 1351995195 387018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes my computer does this thing where it uses up all the ram (?) and then there is weird graphics corruption that doesn't fully go away
< 1351995208 53471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like not just the framebuffer gets corrupted but various offscreen buffers that programs keep using
< 1351995211 20308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe this is that
< 1351995216 345072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's the fault of a dist-upgrade
< 1351995219 976024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i'm just cursed
< 1351995221 598601 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what happens when you fill the bitbucket
< 1351995414 627165 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bits spill out
< 1351995421 565525 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have a war
< 1351995665 423842 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :halp, I'm thinking about watching SG-1 again
< 1351995743 295123 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351995840 199639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a good one or no
< 1351996081 730038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the font "Monospace".
< 1351996086 91466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the default one.
< 1351996088 783301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very good font.
< 1351996103 850558 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also have a monospace font
< 1351996111 206715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can get it in urxvt with -fn 'xft:Monospace'
< 1351996221 510188 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1351996237 684487 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or by putting "URxvt.font: xft:Terminus:size=8" in .Xdefaults
< 1351996631 776703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'll have to look into that
< 1351996640 651734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can become one of these droid sans mono evangelists
< 1351996656 267076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your choice of fonts really says a lot about you as a programmer
< 1351996661 875318 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can define whether you're a rockstar or more of a ninja
< 1351996668 215430 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it has to be some obscure unreadable but supposedly-really-good-for-code font
< 1351996704 121571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The color camera on Apollo 12 provided a few brief moments of color telecasting before it was inadvertently pointed at the Sun, ending its usefulness."
< 1351996736 334238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much money was spent to send this fancy camera to the goddamn moon and then "whoops"
< 1351996753 260302 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey be fair.  the sun is pretty big!
< 1351996769 489641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much bigger up there in space
< 1351996795 287208 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets bigger the closer to the sky you get
< 1351996811 341749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you hit the bounding box and then you just can't move even though your legs are moving
< 1351997530 692587 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Monospace is actually an alias to a different font
< 1351997546 852965 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets you either Bitstream Vera Sans Mono or DejaVu Sans Mono, I don't know which
< 1351997554 935044 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1351997559 946484 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There exists a Tcl-Java bridge
< 1351997569 231020 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi sgeo
< 1351997576 501734 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats this about??
< 1351997579 975736 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, why the fuck?
< 1351997583 766895 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if I can fix it up so that it can interact with Clojure in a more idiomatic way than dealing with the Java objects directly
< 1351997590 175392 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tcljava.sourceforge.net/docs/website/
< 1351997640 35476 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually potentially have a use for this thing, although probably writing my own parser for the data in question and just rewriting the code would make more sense
< 1351997686 467194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: by "use" do you mean "thing you will actually use"
< 1351997751 588911 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I have no real reason to rewrite this project from scratch, in a way that will possibly cause pain for actual user in that a JVM would be needed.
< 1351997762 482484 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1351997770 992684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/fivethirtynate
< 1351997881 790474 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although actually, Tcl and Clojure are both awesome languages.
< 1351997886 651471 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I have actually used Tcl)
< 1351998221 467573 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1351998578 96592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: No, the font is called "Monospace"
< 1351998596 598496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the name of the font.
< 1351998657 982304 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Monospace is an alias
< 1351998661 71262 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :An alias I say!
< 1351998675 123944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE AN ALIAS FOR "Monospace"
< 1351998717 349391 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The “M” stands for “Monospace”.
< 1351998868 382216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the "onospace" stand for?
< 1351998885 562132 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually a beatles reference
< 1351998932 829669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a Beatles reference!
< 1351998998 340112 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF
< 1351999006 393606 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In space, no-one can hear you marry John Lennon.
< 1351999008 361577 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people in New Jersey might be ... voting by email?
< 1351999040 548902 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i for one support giving our electoral process over to srizbi
< 1351999062 21333 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/03/new-jersey-residents-can-_n_2070016.html
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< 1351999973 688323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Man, I should learn Finnish.
< 1351999985 634462 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Learn Japanese and get drunk.
< 1352000006 769129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have drinking in japan
< 1352000015 730103 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Noooo, don’t do it
< 1352000016 729327 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, so they are implementing electronic voting at absolutely the last minute with zero security measures
< 1352000030 893092 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes.
< 1352000050 158251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair there is no real security on mail-in ballots
< 1352000076 141789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and voter fraud is mainly a bullshit issue used by republicans to make it harder for poor people and minorities to vote
< 1352000092 917161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and NJ won't matter for the presidential election, anyway
< 1352000156 19 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you see that nytimes.com thing?
< 1352000161 965144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which?
< 1352000167 663657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/11/02/us/politics/paths-to-the-white-house.html
< 1352000232 538222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's cool
< 1352000270 998232 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: Faxes still exist?
< 1352000284 451075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: No.
< 1352000294 595522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone claims they have one, you should tell them it's really a faux fax
< 1352000299 803807 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why do you think you should learn Finnish?
< 1352000324 80987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Because Finnish people should speak Finnish!
< 1352000332 362693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Swedish, I guess.
< 1352000335 519507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: isn't it great how 70% of the country is completely irrelevant to presidential politics?
< 1352000404 907073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Today I learned about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
< 1352000457 787100 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that is an amusing hack
< 1352000459 883623 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lives in a part that is relevant. Bleh.
< 1352000498 350355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're almost halfway there
< 1352000623 401295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, what if more states allocated electoral votes per congressional district
< 1352000628 871885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as ME and NE do
< 1352000632 627993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be good or bad?
< 1352000641 609610 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That… is such a retarded way to fix the system, but oh well, better than nothing.
< 1352000731 978222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1352000850 24206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another option is for states to allocate their EVs proportionally to the statewide popular vote, rather than all-or-nothing
< 1352000861 792738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither of those requires a compact or a federal constitutional amendment
< 1352000925 584750 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's November already.
< 1352000954 652881 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352000974 416579 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :some call it "election month" but i call it nanowrimo
< 1352000995 904172 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352001119 889416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some call it erection month
< 1352001257 472256 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't that be opposed by whatever the majority of a state is, since they're now not as strongly represented?
< 1352001271 794279 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why call it "election month"? The majority of the month is taken up by not-election.
< 1352001306 946978 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Post-election month, since most of it is post-election, while the beginning is pre-election?
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< 1352001820 859969 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Really, it should just be opposed by Republicans, since in each election where the popular vote hasn't matched the electoral vote, they've won ;)
< 1352001866 259872 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: but like every electoral trend, that could change in any given year
< 1352002123 945380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"an electoral trend could change in any given year" sounds like an electoral trend.
< 1352002134 81435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that a metaëlectoral trend, and therefore immune to itself?
< 1352002192 178575 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are mistaken in interpreting it as a trend
< 1352002247 435499 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a trend is "this has always been" while that is just "this might or might not be"
< 1352002264 25010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think thats what trend means
< 1352002801 723480 :t0mmyy!~Killumina@177.158.71.121 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352002955 643243 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to define it as you like
< 1352002957 511245 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352002982 682223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: hi
< 1352003032 481095 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey. how's it?
< 1352003038 260216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gracenotes
< 1352003043 475658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What brings you here?
< 1352003046 954907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Gracenotes
< 1352003059 256196 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1352003110 71742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: it's itty
< 1352003119 191403 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the server my irssi screen session is on resets, sometimes I forget to join channels
< 1352003160 519561 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you have the channels on autojoin
< 1352003168 44443 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so went my habit of coming here from I-forget-when.
< 1352003184 439071 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never liked the idea of autojoin
< 1352003222 98705 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I join so rarely, it doesn't seem worth it >_>
< 1352003337 902314 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, connect rarely, due to good uptime. in any case, I've made trawls through the wiki here and there when bored :p The only lang I've created was a stack-based lambda calculus interpreter
< 1352003445 640633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i'm not sure if 1824 is a counterexample to what you said or not, it's just that fucked up
< 1352003488 97038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the candidate with the largest popular vote share and the most electoral votes lost
< 1352003495 190351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to another candidate from the same party
< 1352003508 979151 :t0mmyy!~Killumina@177.158.71.121 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1352003533 773912 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, 1824 was just weird.
< 1352003574 296610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had forgot about this until just now
< 1352003579 387850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i never learned it in the first place
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< 1352007701 182214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: jfischoff in #haskell wants to talk about mapping on HLists and things.
< 1352007778 232030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know much about oleg's definition of hlists
< 1352007789 719073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :'[*] HLists.
< 1352007865 418397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott++
< 1352007898 998401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did my duty
< 1352008029 265577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: He spelled your name with one t.
< 1352008037 377120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should give him a new version of the code with a backdoor in it.
< 1352008056 570273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the backdoor is already in there
< 1352008058 268102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an unsafeCoerce
< 1352008143 932431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But it's commented out in the most recent version. :-(
< 1352008204 935206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not my paste
< 1352008207 363011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats another persons paste
< 1352008229 405396 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :people seriously need to start standardizing the elliott spellings
< 1352008234 274696 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :way too many variations
< 1352008240 182375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eliet
< 1352008289 681314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I'm pretty sure T. S. Eliot already decided on the correct spelling.
< 1352008303 324821 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, Eliot just looks wrong
< 1352008320 364594 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a funny way to spell "right" !
< 1352008709 381504 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shackhaff
< 1352008785 644922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: The correct spelling is שחף
< 1352008835 139984 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg crypto
< 1352008844 453216 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION invokes metatron
< 1352008869 60370 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (unwords . map concat . sequence) [["E"], ["l", "ll"], ["io"], ["t", "tt", "tte"]]
< 1352008870 914164 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "Eliot Eliott Eliotte Elliot Elliott Elliotte"
< 1352008904 671488 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: shchf?
< 1352008905 797937 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how would you like to be "Eliotte"
< 1352008931 163648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: if elliott doesn't want to be Eliotte can i be Eliotte
< 1352008939 524827 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure why not
< 1352009237 61210 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :‘libtcod, a.k.a. “The Doryen Library”, is a free, fast, portable and uncomplicated API for roguelike developpers providing an advanced true color console, input, and lots of other utilities frequently used in roguelikes.’
< 1352009243 841438 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wants to developpe roguelikes?
< 1352009269 517099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pushing the roguelike enveloppe"
< 1352009352 550683 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear roguelike how does it feel to have your envolope pushed??
< 1352009417 366187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :enveloppe
< 1352009426 31412 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :envoloppe
< 1352009739 79268 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My clothes only have single-hole zippers.
< 1352011582 280680 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1:59:54
< 1352011584 601851 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1:00:44
< 1352011674 18538 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352012113 545981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352012986 833379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think libtcod is mostly useful as a terminal substitute for windows
< 1352012993 766755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of it seems too disjointed, really
< 1352013064 824061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I think it's hilarious what Apple did with their homepage (designing it to be slightly too tall for the screen no matter what size the screen is, it deliberately adjusts for it and makes itself too large to fit, in order to hide the link to the apology to Samsung)
< 1352013109 355439 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh
< 1352013662 518399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i like how the judge literally said "samsung's tablets are less cool, so they don't infringe"
< 1352013676 662625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't imagine samsung were terrible happy about winning on that account
< 1352013679 536472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*terribly
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< 1352017491 489939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Reportedly it's not too tall "no matter what"; it doesn't actually stretch, just rearranges itself a bit.
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< 1352026501 11877 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm where is elliott when you need him
< 1352026519 947276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham
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< 1352026558 663733 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh
< 1352026613 443944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"well duh" - vorpal
< 1352026639 571359 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I supposed you don't know anything about what god ergonomical keyboards exist?
< 1352026700 223386 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't silly ultraflat
< 1352026712 879302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard Kinesis is good.
< 1352026721 581391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think kmc might know something.
< 1352026731 981810 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at microsoft's keyboard lineup (I really like their mice) but it seems to be all ultra-flat these days
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< 1352026833 175005 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that maybe looks too ergonomical (Kinesis), seems kind of hard to get used to
< 1352026860 313745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a few people who use it and like it.
< 1352026867 377029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't want to buy that without trying it first. And there aren't really any good physical shops around here that would have it.
< 1352026883 764529 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a bit of an issue
< 1352026915 697683 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO NEEDS GOD WHEN YOU CAN HAVE A MALTRON
< 1352027032 129056 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352027042 134856 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, why not go for a Datahand while you are at it :P
< 1352027074 770539 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I want something that isn't completely different, I'm not only typing on it. Game keymappings still need to make sense for me. As do emacs keymappings.
< 1352027117 116973 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if the layout is going to be different I would need a reasonable Swedish keymapping for it still
< 1352027249 776355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had one of the "Microsoft Natural Ergonomic" line keyboards once -- something like the http://www.verkkokauppa.com/files/images/71/2_27314-358x228.jpeg except few (dozen?) product generations back.
< 1352027273 867714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't say I liked it terribly much, but keyboards are kind of personal things.
< 1352027359 518100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The one in the image is Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 -- I think the one I had didn't have any numbers.)
< 1352027404 11002 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah the modern ones appear to be ultraflat
< 1352027413 712820 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay not that one
< 1352027419 457575 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at the curve one
< 1352027429 685706 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bit between that and normal keyboards
< 1352027435 661495 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the older curve ones
< 1352027467 458907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Comfort Curve 3000 seems kinda flat, yes.
< 1352027472 860613 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly so
< 1352027523 291405 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used a 2000 at one point, it was kind of slightly flatter than classical keyboards, but not as flat as the 3000 appears
< 1352027534 817976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some) gamer keyboards look kind of different.
< 1352027536 524927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.verkkokauppa.com/files/images/97/2_137749-1000x1000.jpeg
< 1352027541 228367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of buttons.
< 1352027544 620333 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol what
< 1352027575 147379 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't really need that. All I really need is a comfortable standard keyboard + volume buttons. Anything else I don't really care about
< 1352027590 320882 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is the thing in the middle of MS natural?
< 1352027600 350136 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroll wheel?
< 1352027867 18546 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh uh, it has a "nordic" layout too?
< 1352027870 536904 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that even mean
< 1352027991 300521 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, from that photo it even appears to be an US layout, guess they used stock photo
< 1352028004 166062 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :would have to call them to make sure it is actually correct before I buy it
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< 1352028023 906090 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiny enter D:<
< 1352028029 421097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that yeah
< 1352028031 910480 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate that
< 1352028043 459165 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not going to buy a keyboard without a large enter key
< 1352028060 731486 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead I have a tiny leftshift :D
< 1352028076 206931 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh?
< 1352028116 380334 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make space for \| between left shift and z
< 1352028125 827106 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can one access I²C devices asynchronously using the Linux API?
< 1352028151 799471 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1352028161 793779 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea
< 1352028184 490163 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, async in what way?
< 1352028187 915233 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-blocking IO?
< 1352028213 906999 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: Tell it to start doing something, block in poll()/select(), then read the result.
< 1352028218 76302 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so couldn't you just create a thread to handle the request for you and have that notify you async
< 1352028235 499697 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah I have no idea if it supports it
< 1352028238 646765 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do the docs say?
< 1352028242 595662 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what happen if you try it
< 1352028250 700052 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, using threads is an alternative.
< 1352028306 559635 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It supports read() for a subset of the functionality: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/i2c/dev-interface
< 1352028340 78110 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, the equivalent of i2c_smbus_read_byte.
< 1352028384 410857 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But i’d like to be able to use the full API asynchronously.
< 1352028481 521724 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, what sort of device are you interfacing with?
< 1352028504 772581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a scroll wheel, yes.
< 1352028508 978957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for zooming.
< 1352028529 546590 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :An accelerometer, a magnetometer, a gyroscope, a barometer and a temperature sensor.
< 1352028539 6444 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, hm... laptop?
< 1352028545 306719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The version I had had no wheels.)
< 1352028549 314816 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a smartphone?
< 1352028552 572936 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and another pressure sensor with a pitot tube.
< 1352028557 903910 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :An RC airplane.
< 1352028559 709678 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352028588 19085 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, yeah I could guess when you mentioned pitot tube :P
< 1352028661 194258 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :upgrading ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04.1 on a laptop here, there is always something that goes wrong isn't it. This time lsb_release stopped working partway through the upgrade and the upgrade process is spewing warnings as a result, still seem to work
< 1352028669 581820 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wth
< 1352028688 907301 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mojabake error dialog showed up. With two mojabake buttons
< 1352028693 271313 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what that is for
< 1352029540 6705 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The change in version number represents how many things have been replaced for no reason
< 1352029549 47416 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1352029558 990860 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1352029589 253324 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, which is why I'm doing this upgrade on an old, otherwise unused, laptop first.
< 1352029610 432501 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see how much time I will need to set aside to clean up the mess when I do it on this modern laptop
< 1352029628 148650 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, reasonably modern laptop anyway
< 1352029663 564867 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upgrading ubuntu: echo deb ftp.debian.org/debian sid main > /etc/apt/sources.list
< 1352029675 952870 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice one
< 1352029720 197090 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You will need to use the Terminal for that. Open the Terminal from the Start Menu. I mean the App Launcher.)
< 1352029820 609974 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, I'm going to convert it into xubuntu after the upgrade anyway
< 1352029968 640986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :XXXbuntu.
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< 1352030106 919494 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, :P
< 1352030122 553795 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a new animal every time!
< 1352030195 389011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the Ubuntu Satanic Edition.
< 1352030297 11002 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arch
< 1352030308 113906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu Arch? 
< 1352030314 845038 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1352030319 256173 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just Arch
< 1352030347 57080 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arch Linux is okay
< 1352030383 205699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Suse Ubuntu Archmint Genfedoratoo Linux.
< 1352030432 929777 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, with the SlackDebGoboWare package manager?
< 1352030495 194902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It installs package.rpm.deb.tar.gz.xz.bz2 files.
< 1352030571 398213 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "apt portage" \\ " ott"
< 1352030573 272593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "apprage"
< 1352030603 971050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"apprage" sounds like the best package manager ever.
< 1352030618 43280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best, and furious.
< 1352030640 825663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Like the "Deb" part of the term Debian, it originates from the name of Debra, then girlfriend and now ex-wife of Debian's founder Ian Murdock." <- Heh, I did not know that.
< 1352030659 552136 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1352030685 51475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be a nice reminder these days.
< 1352030696 294331 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think about that the next time you unpack a deb file.
< 1352030775 136963 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`anagram aptgetpacmanportage`
< 1352030789 472234 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Carnage Gap Tempt Top
< 1352030792 183595 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: anagram: not found
< 1352030804 168999 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol
< 1352030880 453099 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACGTT package manager
< 1352030924 203518 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next step in linux evolution
< 1352031063 854783 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`alias echo='echo $( echo )'; echo Test
< 1352031067 235438 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: alias: not found
< 1352031085 540265 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`yes
< 1352031088 329704 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y
< 1352031128 825542 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: abbreviated, it looks like a gene
< 1352031158 238010 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Three letters for one aminoacid though
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< 1352031216 10597 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the start of a gene?
< 1352031841 559836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 5/3 of a dipeptide
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< 1352032488 848425 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28...
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< 1352032509 492829 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> concat $ map show [1..]
< 1352032511 161003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "12345678910111213141516171819202122232425262728293031323334353637383940414...
< 1352032535 899757 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "0.0" ++ concat $ map show [1..]
< 1352032537 476518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[GHC.Types.Char]'
< 1352032537 626846 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :             with actual ty...
< 1352032544 856848 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "0.0" ++ (concat $ map show [1..])
< 1352032546 792863 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "0.012345678910111213141516171819202122232425262728293031323334353637383940...
< 1352032574 428182 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look ma, an irrational number!
< 1352032605 101834 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [show(sum$scanl div(100^n)[1..[4..]!!n])!!n|n<-[0..]]
< 1352032608 17429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "27182818284590452353602874713526624977572470936999595749669676277240766303...
< 1352032616 388504 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 5/6?
< 1352032758 877067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up quintopia 
< 1352032765 931049 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1352032793 246667 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you heard me
< 1352032815 114389 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont take orders, but feel free to explain your sudden hostility
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< 1352033525 148992 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 5/3
< 1352033534 686605 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1352033537 488091 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said dipeptide
< 1352033539 521933 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :5/6 then
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< 1352044577 564744 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
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< 1352046606 140544 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :unity of gnome 3, which is the most screwed up GUI of the two? Hard to decide
< 1352046625 777724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unity of Gnome 3" sounds fancy.
< 1352046633 627428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also like a royal title.
< 1352046660 104684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All kneel for His Highness Unity of Gnome 3.
< 1352046672 977254 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or*
< 1352046678 84519 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hah
< 1352046734 619108 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :unity runs like shit on the laptop I'm upgrading to 12.04 anyway
< 1352046744 866258 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pentium M with 512 MB RAM so not surprised
< 1352046782 315067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 12.10 with LLVMPipe I'm sure it'd be BLAZING FAST.
< 1352046783 681350 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: use lubuntu
< 1352046805 551182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is lubuntu ubuntu for losers?
< 1352046810 88674 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering switching to dwm
< 1352046839 876980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are three leds of the switch blinking if I'm downloading a file? Two I'd get.
< 1352046884 632816 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it is ubuntu with lxde
< 1352046917 122141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an Enlightenment-Ubuntu too? Enbuntu? 
< 1352046944 177524 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lxde isn't a real de
< 1352046945 845511 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you forgot about the NSA intercept port
< 1352046954 382900 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a bunch of different things put together
< 1352047029 815589 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, half of it was written for it
< 1352047044 46561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember running Enlightenment... E14? Something like that. It was very impressive-looking.
< 1352047051 443181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared to fvwm95 anyway.
< 1352047053 228212 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I "like" how unity by default comes with 7 out of 10 icons being open office and the rest being pretty much indistinguishable other useless stuff
< 1352047060 924064 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the magic button for accessing everything else
< 1352047064 763016 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: use lubuntu <-- uh... LXDE?
< 1352047071 952640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fvwm95.sourceforge.net/screenshot-full.gif SO HOT
< 1352047076 244080 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't tried that for years, but eh, didn't like it back then
< 1352047077 162364 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. useful, but still indistinguishable)
< 1352047107 296813 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, anyway the only reason I upgrade that laptop is so I can figure out all the issues before I upgrade my modern laptop
< 1352047132 159168 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, other than that it is just used when I need a serial port
< 1352047171 95873 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah ok
< 1352047189 698851 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :use gentoo
< 1352047192 353381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, couldn't manage to convince pulseaudio (via pavucontrol) to make the laptop to mute the internal speakers while at the same time keeping the optical s/pdif jack unmuted.
< 1352047235 41108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately the volume control doesn't (naturally) affect the s/pdif stream, so I could just turn the volume REAL LOW (but not quite to 0, that muted both) so that the internal speakers were inaudible.
< 1352047242 759792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such an elegant solution.
< 1352047301 500458 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pulseaudio - makes even alsa look good
< 1352047303 481811 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtu.be/5Ro9yu6Jces?t=2m33s
< 1352047333 209811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck pulseaudio
< 1352047372 267590 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of its functionality belongs in the kernel, but despite that my experiences with it have been positive.
< 1352047404 330824 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use oss
< 1352047407 753911 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, http://toastytech.com/guis/ubuntu114dash.png
< 1352047416 783761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you do nortti
< 1352047448 403144 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never had any problems with it
< 1352047493 988237 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 3 OOo icons, but 5 mysterious ones, plus the "home" thing that you somehow have to figure out is the way to access anything else
< 1352047494 642145 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can *gasp* add and remove favorite programs to/from the sidebar.
< 1352047553 366637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My experiences with PA have been really bland. It's worked well enough, and I like the way I can easily route different streams to different outputs without trying to figure out each program's well-hidden audio device configuration method, but sometimes there's things like the aforementioned.
< 1352047560 582675 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the gods have deliberated and decided that the only things ubuntu systems are really used for is spreadsheets, presentations, and whatever the big "U" thing is
< 1352047577 522095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's Ubuntu One, I'm pretty sure.
< 1352047585 298371 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, whatever that is :)
< 1352047586 524215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: See, it has a little "1" inside the U.
< 1352047588 326796 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: What would be the better set of defaults?
< 1352047618 698792 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: dunno, I think the big problem is that everything else is hidden
< 1352047683 574483 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The home thing is an equally big button on the top of the sidebar nowadays. That’s an old screenshot.
< 1352047717 855336 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is “everything hidden” in Windows™ because it’s available from the button in the bottom left corner? http://www.activewin.com/screenshots/windows7/Peek%20-%20After.png
< 1352047745 215155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it, these days? I thought they got rid of that in 8.
< 1352047759 542883 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is “everything” hidden in OSX because it’s available from one of the buttons in the bottom panel? http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/desktop/empty/macosx102.png
< 1352047788 709096 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is “everything hidden” in Windows™ because it’s available from the button in the bottom left corner? http://www.activewin.com/screenshots/windows7/Peek%20-%20After.png <-- what happened there?
< 1352047791 888475 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks strange
< 1352047807 338557 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://windows7themes.net/wp-content/gallery/windows-8-screenshots/Windows_8_screenshot.png
< 1352047833 606350 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, that isn't metro though
< 1352047850 633201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's no such thing as Metro nowdays either.
< 1352047863 329798 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, whatever they changed the name to then
< 1352047876 832185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Modern UI".
< 1352047885 85704 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol what
< 1352047886 965545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly "Windows 8".
< 1352047891 588090 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1352047917 135755 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it "Windows 8 style user experience" ?
< 1352047923 250340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "Microsoft design language" in place of "Metro design language".
< 1352047924 632591 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a row of icons without text or a search box are both really bad ways to find stuff
< 1352047930 876401 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... what both the start menu and mac's application thingy have (last time I checked) is that they give you a big list/grid of everything you can do
< 1352047964 41995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI, it's "Start screen" now, and it's full of "tiles".
< 1352048003 875704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the tiles are also "live".
< 1352048009 569901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They're "made of people"?)
< 1352048019 887111 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get the big list and the search box by clicking on the big Ubuntu logo on the top. There are tooltips for everything in the vertical panel.
< 1352048040 341613 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tooltips are useless
< 1352048065 780406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a Charms bar in 8.
< 1352048074 286597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Start. Get to your Start screen. Or if you're already on Start, you can use this charm to go back to the last app you were in."
< 1352048082 627049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very charming.
< 1352048095 511809 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t see text in the OSX dock or the Windows quick launcher either.
< 1352048139 394252 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor do they contain a search bar.
< 1352048208 298593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352048211 107930 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hi!
< 1352048219 759213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352048219 974253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1352048260 44502 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, keyboard recommendations? I need a new one. Something ergonomic and not ultra flat. Nothing crazy like the data hand though :P
< 1352048286 68188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: depends what you mean by ergonomic & your budget
< 1352048289 3574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: POWER GLOVE.
< 1352048323 579562 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: model m?
< 1352048330 876837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: however take a look at http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/keyboards.htm
< 1352048336 610196 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, budget, up to approx 150 USD or so. Not a sharp line
< 1352048341 551845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they use cherry brown switches
< 1352048356 398667 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and ergonomic: my hands must stop hurting, they are hurting from the temp keyboard I'm using atm
< 1352048364 724946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least the advantage ones do
< 1352048376 48517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear good only things about them but haven't used them mind you
< 1352048388 837948 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so something that means your wrists can be straight lines. I really liked the old MS Comfort Curve keyboards, but the modern one appears to be ultra flat
< 1352048399 838577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinesis advantage is great
< 1352048401 681137 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: true, the quick launchers don't have text on any os ... but the menu/thing you get to display all applications is usually useful in !unity :)
< 1352048412 904342 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas unity apparently requires me to Search for whatever I want (and I won't know exactly what it's called until after I find it)
< 1352048413 516015 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, issue: game keybindings appear to be weird on that
< 1352048419 989051 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, also how long does it take to get used ot
< 1352048421 107471 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :to*
< 1352048423 423264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very long
< 1352048425 376365 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1352048432 26537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's the one i linked btw
< 1352048442 963069 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah it is loading
< 1352048451 295587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your hands hurt and you use qwerty i also suggest switching to a better layout
< 1352048452 370906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sell an "advanced" "reprogrammable" version but i suspect it does nothing you cannot do more easily in software
< 1352048454 445888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will take longer
< 1352048469 741332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: btw model m is pretty much ergonomically terrible
< 1352048481 637561 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, possible, but my hands never hurt with qwerty except on straight traditional keyboards.
< 1352048513 995156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'd say it all matters
< 1352048519 391312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you only need one or the other change
< 1352048522 956400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but both could be better long-term
< 1352048541 35934 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, since I'm really wide at the shoulders, the small keyboard area of a traditional PC keyboard basically means I need to angle my wrists quite a bit
< 1352048549 402416 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why a curved keyboard is better
< 1352048549 545661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had this experience of changing one thing, and then my hands would eventually start to hurt again, and repeat
< 1352048552 838978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352048564 271087 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The per-category installed applications browser isn’t *that* bad, but i admit it could be better.
< 1352048566 866107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also look out for awkwardly placed keys that you use often
< 1352048571 116505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one great thing about the kinesis
< 1352048576 646354 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, oh?
< 1352048581 241524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if kinesis sold an advantage keyboard with topre switches i'd buy it
< 1352048585 375350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd cost like $9999999 though
< 1352048592 552276 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: maybe it is, but I haven't seen it... how do you find it?
< 1352048601 995026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/images/kb_adv-blk720x471.jpg note the two thumb clusters
< 1352048609 249058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway the advantage is $299 rather than $150 though maybe you can get a deal on it somewhere or buy a second-hand one
< 1352048614 282112 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, hm yeah
< 1352048615 883557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those have ctrl, alt, backspace, delete, home, end, enter, space, etc
< 1352048630 325539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i seriously doubt you will find a keyboard that (a) has good switches and (b) a non-traditional layout for cheap though
< 1352048636 688539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though e.g. i had to bind a second escape key
< 1352048639 928031 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause i use vim
< 1352048650 758060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recently learned about https://github.com/alols/xcape which lets you use capslock as ctrl and capslock as esc at the same time
< 1352048660 492294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll switch over to that
< 1352048661 907710 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, two questions: have you used it with 1) emacs 2) various modern games?
< 1352048662 101698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw if anyone ever has lots of money
< 1352048666 208383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please buy me a datahand
< 1352048674 686147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much of either
< 1352048685 806307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinesis seems pretty good for emacs
< 1352048696 713310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl and alt are on opposite sides
< 1352048700 498130 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Click on the applications tab in the dash or hit Windows-A and select “Filter results” if it’s not open already.
< 1352048700 653098 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can go higher than $150 sure
< 1352048702 735749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another example, on my laptop keyboard there's this awkward 3-key combination i hit all the time
< 1352048710 717047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm trying to train myself to use the opposite hand for one of the keys (shift)
< 1352048715 262936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can ctrl-alt-shift
< 1352048721 383095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to pay attention to that stuff
< 1352048721 837282 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, one issue is that how will I know without trying it
< 1352048727 283590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn hjkl for vim instead of using arrow keys
< 1352048727 941292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc.
< 1352048730 137108 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot of keyboard shops around here
< 1352048734 879388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well you won't
< 1352048741 307369 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, could be costly thus
< 1352048751 691277 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, this is what i see when i hit the Windows™ key or click on the top button in the launcher. It displays the recent applications and files and focuses in the search bar. http://i.imgur.com/VX74S.jpg
< 1352048756 31409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you could sell it on ebay or something
< 1352048758 759273 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if I knew I would like it I wouldn't hesitate to spend $700, but...
< 1352048762 502966 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrow keys work while in insert mode though
< 1352048764 904590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's $700?
< 1352048768 500529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yeah
< 1352048771 477530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i still use them sometimes
< 1352048773 493662 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, money?
< 1352048775 459808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :datahand is over $700 i think
< 1352048778 868140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Vorpal was just using a hyperbolic figure
< 1352048781 207826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i thought you meant the kinesis advantage
< 1352048784 218286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like $250
< 1352048786 330729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you know about the datahand
< 1352048786 797794 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is still crazy
< 1352048788 130645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1352048794 119501 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I doubt I would like datahand though
< 1352048798 310996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah this thing
< 1352048801 586502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/8559/dhhandinunitof2.jpg
< 1352048804 627489 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: oh, but that's the search thingy, is that the same as the applications tab?
< 1352048808 662715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you flick really light magnetic switches to type
< 1352048816 7204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even does mouse input
< 1352048845 165601 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It’s the button next to the activated home button in the bottom of the windowish thingy. Windows™-A opens it directly.
< 1352048857 503011 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I doubt it is very good for playing an FPS with though. Which I sometimes do.
< 1352048867 763818 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Hold down the Windows™ key to see the list of keyboard shortcuts.
< 1352048880 555548 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about MS natural keyboards?
< 1352048889 431597 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about the modern ones
< 1352048890 338211 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how you sit and where your keyboard is are also super important
< 1352048900 595191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know much about that
< 1352048901 248958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: here are videos of crazy people using a kinesis advantage https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kinesis+advantage
< 1352048962 466731 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want DataHand , but it’s insanely expensive.
< 1352048982 413467 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm sure it can be good if you get used to it, but it is a expensive investment and I'm not purely a typist, so it still need to work for other stuff, such as playing games.
< 1352048992 941576 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: hmm, so unity could've avoided most of my rage just by making a different tab of the search thingy open by default?
< 1352048996 512024 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so hrrm
< 1352049009 824082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i work at a 7 person company and we have 2 people with the kinesis advantage keyboard
< 1352049018 536116 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other guy (not me) has the foot pedals as well
< 1352049027 37430 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Perhaps. I’ve been happy with the default.
< 1352049029 245603 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what do the foot pedals do?
< 1352049038 609027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can map them to any keypress or macro
< 1352049049 560632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well kinesis advantage is just a regular keyboard with a gap... I guess it is bad if you have a game whose shortcuts spill over to the right hand side but you could just rebind those?
< 1352049053 464750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, hey I already have some Saitek rudder pedals
< 1352049056 734900 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1352049062 691089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I haven't seen any ergonomic-as-in-curved-a-bit keyboards with good switches
< 1352049068 636239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should build a crazy foot keyboard to one-up him
< 1352049100 868507 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can't rebind everything usually. Look at minecraft for example, can't rebind 1-0 for quick slots
< 1352049101 296263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: kinesis sell other keyboards: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/max-spec.htm http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/freestyle2.htm but idk what switches they use
< 1352049115 667992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can rebind things at the OS level if nothing else
< 1352049136 94479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or buy the reprogrammable ~kinesis advantage pro~ for only $359! but wait, there's more!!
< 1352049142 646846 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The award winning Kinesis Maxim adjustable ergonomic computer keyboard is the only ergonomic keyboard licensed to use the Microsoft "combo" USB/PS2 technology" <-- lol what
< 1352049185 546861 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't we all be using chording keyboards by now
< 1352049190 92212 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hrrm, no numpads? oh well
< 1352049198 172383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: numpads are awful anyway :p
< 1352049203 323782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the advantage pro but it wasn't $359
< 1352049206 383149 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, except for nethack ;)
< 1352049219 280665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hjklyubn
< 1352049223 18144 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1352049225 980675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my #1 complaint with the kinesis is no nipple pointer
< 1352049238 722055 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, a track point would have been nice yes
< 1352049272 694928 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:13 < kmc> shouldn't we all be using chording keyboards by now // I am building one
< 1352049281 463452 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway since I would need to learn to touch type again with something like the advantage... can you get them with Swedish layouts?
< 1352049311 247241 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i started building one too
< 1352049325 435305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally i would mold clay or something to match the resting shape of my hands
< 1352049343 67707 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, so a home built datahand?
< 1352049345 866789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1352049353 985161 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what?
< 1352049360 853595 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keyboard layouts are fully OS-dependent, as long as the keys have all the right shape
< 1352049374 278098 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for starters the resting shape would be gripping a vertical rod, not flat horizontally
< 1352049388 39606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be a chording keyboard, not a datahand type
< 1352049400 880173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a single switch for each finger
< 1352049409 557681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i doubt you can get them with other layouts but you shouldn't be looking at the keyboard if you are learning to touch type anyway :P
< 1352049429 740959 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, useful to learn where the key is at all I guess
< 1352049430 552938 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want one of those keyboards with blank keycaps
< 1352049444 602341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i really doubt the adjustment period is that bad, though... if not for the space between the two sides it would just be a regular keyboard with a slope
< 1352049457 352609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: don't buy a das keyboard
< 1352049473 566491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes you a real ninja rockstar
< 1352049482 373049 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you won't have enought combos for alphabet+numbers
< 1352049484 126805 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the stuff under the thumbs is different but eh
< 1352049501 84088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2**10
< 1352049502 606160 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1024.0
< 1352049504 776898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can buy label-less replacement keycaps from places
< 1352049518 219514 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, where is alt on the advantage?
< 1352049519 688020 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ah. you are making 2 hand one?
< 1352049523 483468 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switching keycaps around would be a pain
< 1352049523 805341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: it would be, yeah
< 1352049531 486103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: clear solution is to switch to colemak simultaneously
< 1352049538 620311 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1352049542 153017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe one hand, plus another hand that is basically a mouse or trackball but has a few other keyboard modifiers
< 1352049544 207813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: less of a pain than typing on a keyboard as low-quality as das keyboard
< 1352049553 520558 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :My only requirement is that the keyboard is the standard big-enter layout
< 1352049557 347479 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No small enter please
< 1352049557 509384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's better-quality than your average rubber dome probably but it's really bad
< 1352049564 232646 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, yeah!
< 1352049570 379236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's on the thumb cluster
< 1352049571 995247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them
< 1352049577 235450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine are all remapped
< 1352049587 904314 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1352049590 888594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think alt isn't but i don't use it very much
< 1352049591 41680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i would be unable to use an advantage because my hands are too small and i wouldn't be able to use the thumb bits
< 1352049592 580696 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have a model m but it broke
< 1352049601 995328 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a DIM one anyway
< 1352049610 18949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my housemate has a pckeyboard model m successor
< 1352049613 671953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really really loud
< 1352049620 602173 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I am building 1 handed one with state 2 state switch keys that thumb can access
< 1352049624 817736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is one floor above me right now and it sounds like machine gun fire
< 1352049631 119206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think model m is overrated
< 1352049633 811807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352049636 775943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the switches are way too heavy
< 1352049636 823044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had one for a while
< 1352049646 262703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :first an original m and then a pckeyboard one
< 1352049651 848982 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :model m is nice but not as nice as some say
< 1352049664 334546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they feel satisfying to use but they aren't really ergonomic in any sense
< 1352049687 632813 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so if I would go for something that wasn't such a huge investment, what about a MS natural keyboard, they are certainly cheaper. And the older models at least were quite comfortable
< 1352049698 687333 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of key caps do they have
< 1352049699 306858 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIN*
< 1352049704 604018 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not DIM =P
< 1352049718 178616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIM a From 1 To 10
< 1352049743 572191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway yeah i think having a good chair and desk is at least as important as having a good keyboard
< 1352049762 498244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i fail at these things
< 1352049763 584781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: aren't those rubber dome
< 1352049771 352657 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is what I'm wondering
< 1352049775 562625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't really in good conscience recommend a rubber dome keyboard even though i'm typing on one right now
< 1352049787 735630 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think microsoft make the best mice, well traditional mice at least. Never liked trackballs and such
< 1352049807 936152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm typing on a thinkpad keyboard right now, which is a scissor mechanism above a rubber dome
< 1352049814 130764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pretty good as far as laptop keyboards go
< 1352049818 66584 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1352049819 507754 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: microsoft mice are just rebranded logitech mice
< 1352049840 80035 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear the new one (island layout) is also very good, but i am fearful that they've screwed it all up massively
< 1352049844 152011 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, hm, pretty sure they use a different outer shell too?
< 1352049854 917083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it's true that the internal mechanism of the "classic" keyboard did change all the time
< 1352049859 333314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.trulyergonomic.com/store/index.php this uses cherry switches apparentlt
< 1352049860 534538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*apparently
< 1352049862 527694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that layout is wack tho
< 1352049870 681652 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw fuck colemak
< 1352049877 971758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it's $229
< 1352049880 98740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with colemak
< 1352049881 154212 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, lol, that looks crazy
< 1352049885 185088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of being 50% qwerty
< 1352049889 636443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still need to relearn how to type
< 1352049891 252593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: thats not the design goal of colemak
< 1352049892 785946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :common misconception
< 1352049895 197493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dvoark is more standard, it's in every OS
< 1352049898 372335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, what is it then
< 1352049901 881684 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, the logitech mice I used haven't been nearly as good as my "Microsoft Comfort Optical Mouse 3000"
< 1352049914 609838 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, which Logitech mouse is that based on then
< 1352049917 68156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: looking at that trulyergonomic keyboard makes me feel like i'm drunk
< 1352049933 240041 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know how to use one handed dvorak on linux?
< 1352049947 621141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well "easy to learn for qwerty typers" is one of the goals I think but I hear it actually fares better than Dvorak
< 1352049949 218993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. "According to carpalx, which is the most extensive research on keyboard layouts done so far, Colemak wins over Dvorak and QWERTY in all different typing effort models."
< 1352049962 502627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1352049969 246942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: also one of the reasons for the qwerty closeness is to make common computer shortcuts less awful to type compared to dvorak it seems
< 1352049980 885379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that that quote is from the colemak site so it's obviously biased but i don't see any reason the study itself (http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/) would be biased)
< 1352050009 260406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://colemak.com/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ#What.27s_wrong_with_the_Dvorak_layout.3F
< 1352050020 878953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i switched from qwerty it would probably be to colemak
< 1352050024 342908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt i can be bothered any time soon though
< 1352050029 783002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this carpalx thing based on actual science (e.g. human physiology)
< 1352050062 114724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it one of those "i'm a programmer therefore i must be an expert in all fields" things
< 1352050069 246128 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: RTFA http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/?keyboard_evaluation
< 1352050081 286927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was looking for that
< 1352050099 619760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where are the citations
< 1352050104 319123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/?worst_layout
< 1352050107 559257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should switch to TNWMLC
< 1352050120 955035 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm staying with qwerty
< 1352050137 49992 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only word that's awkward for me to type on a qwerty keyboard is qwerty itself
< 1352050139 259763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so that FAQ does say "The main problem with Dvorak is that it's too difficult and frustrating to learn for existing QWERTY typists because it's so different from QWERTY."
< 1352050173 421828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Placing 'L' on the QWERTY 'P' position causes excessive strain on the right pinky.'  what? i hit that key with the ring finger
< 1352050173 469901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but then it says other things
< 1352050177 800143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the pinky would be absurd
< 1352050182 712343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe for people with much smaller hands
< 1352050223 76730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :advantages of colemak: you can type "arse" on the home row
< 1352050242 98032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"'F' is on the QWERTY 'Y' position which is a difficult stretch on normal keyboards." so?  f is an uncommon key
< 1352050247 590765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something will be hard to hit
< 1352050257 817322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i can type shithead
< 1352050295 746073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i don't doubt that colemak has some advantages (and dvorak some) but i've never seen anything to outweigh the fact that dvorak is already installed on most computers in the world and i can sit down and switch to it with 15 seconds of effort
< 1352050345 799009 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But on a qwerty you can type arse with your left hand
< 1352050351 996570 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it so hard to find info how to use one-handed dvorak on linux?
< 1352050389 297580 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Because not many people do that maybe
< 1352050391 444244 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like using my pinky for typing is excessive stress.
< 1352050453 541701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah this carpalx thing has a big complicated model, with zero citations to any existing literature or any empirical studies of the suitability of that model
< 1352050457 509870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are programmers so bad at science
< 1352050488 492031 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programmers have this idea that if you can measure it, you should optimize it.
< 1352050497 795475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they can't measure it!
< 1352050500 101627 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And damn the notion that you need to optimize things you actually want to be optimal.
< 1352050506 440544 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a metric.
< 1352050507 814060 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How big is your sample of programmers?
< 1352050509 289258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, they are measuring some completely pulled-out-of-ass thing
< 1352050511 821278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: c.c
< 1352050519 359826 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether or not the metric is relevant is not necessary. :)
< 1352050532 471763 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a metric, now to optimize for it.
< 1352050545 86606 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody wants the optimal solution, the most optimized solution is where it's at.
< 1352050552 890046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352050553 24705 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. the one which took longest to optimize.
< 1352050568 802024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus points if you use something fancy like genetic algorithm even where a simple gradient descent would suffice
< 1352050577 1167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently this guy invented port knocking
< 1352050581 350755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug
< 1352050592 860641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fine idea that i'm sure many people have thought of
< 1352050715 542250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was young i coded a GA in Perl to figure out how to most efficiently burn all my pirated music and tv shows onto CD-Rs
< 1352050746 406514 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1352050858 552530 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this datahand thing - is it actually a good idea to minimize hand/finger movement?
< 1352050860 418031 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4046c.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352050958 401183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, why were you burning them to cd-rs
< 1352050972 355086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was this in, like, the early 70s
< 1352051056 614359 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CD-Rs didn't appear until the late 80s, and burners cost thousands of dollars until the mid-90s
< 1352051226 436425 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now people just buy a bunch of 3TB HDDs and put everything on them
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< 1352053290 644531 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1352053290 956333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
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< 1352053520 992340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yeah i just bought 6 of those
< 1352053610 360758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does seem extravagent but having random access to everything without thinking is pretty useful
< 1352053673 582131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i used CD-Rs because i was a kid and didn't have money for extravagences like DVD burning
< 1352053678 140512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i did get a DVD burner eventually
< 1352053705 11440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i had an MP3-CD player
< 1352053773 525166 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, I only have two eSATA ports though
< 1352053785 543512 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hm two USB3
< 1352053819 789316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get external enclosures that use multiple drives and plug into a single eSATA port
< 1352053833 685375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MP3-CD players were the best
< 1352053851 298295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at a time when a nice flash-based MP3 player had 64MB of storage
< 1352053853 547257 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funnily enough, I have never owned a DVD burner.
< 1352053867 659859 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I own a late 90s CD burner still. I use it maybe once a year, if not less.
< 1352053868 681040 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I have one in my current computer
< 1352053877 730616 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hotswappable HDD bay
< 1352053878 652153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to go over to Tallinn to buy DVD-R's; a lot cheaper there, partially due to them not having this extra tax-like "renumeration for private copying" price they add to all empty media, and I think hard drives and such too these days.
< 1352053878 960855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could fit 10x that on a CD-R that cost 50¢
< 1352053881 245623 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a DVD-RAM device in my laptop
< 1352053886 101649 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still *works* is the amazing bit.
< 1352053888 64971 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, hm that would work
< 1352053894 123357 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does a whole 12x.
< 1352053897 731488 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4x on CD-RW)
< 1352053906 997573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did they sell them duty-free on the ferry
< 1352053918 374171 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but what about DVD reader?
< 1352053920 380898 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have that?
< 1352053930 610243 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have a DVD-ROM drive.
< 1352053948 392227 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVD-RAM?
< 1352053951 675480 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope.
< 1352053967 147752 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I mostly use the DVD drive for CD ripping. (what, so I like FLAC)
< 1352053967 452795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352053980 742232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sadly, not that I know; you had to go to a shop on land. (We went to some really obscure "abandoned warehouse"-style-atmosphere place someone had heard of.)
< 1352054015 830097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1352054041 14759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had this really sketchy traveling computer show in Iowa that would set up shop for a week in the livestock showing barn at the faregrounds
< 1352054048 893966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have about 80% unused of the last stack of 50 "PRINCO" brand DVD-R's I got there.
< 1352054126 754260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Iowa LAN parties were great
< 1352054145 995323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people would come from all over the state, from rural places that had really crappy dial-up or satellite Internet
< 1352054149 45259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they would come to play games
< 1352054161 951697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they would *also* come to run KaZaA in the background at full speed
< 1352054177 235139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :downloading as much warez and porn as possible over 24 hours
< 1352054188 548634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and share it locally as well
< 1352054240 397111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downloading lots of stuff was quite a large part of the Assembly experience too, back before broadband days. Nowadays it's just not so exciting. :/
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< 1352054353 101764 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to go to a demoparty
< 1352054423 440110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones I've been to don't exactly have much qualifications for participation, except for having enough money for the ticket.
< 1352054438 4098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it doesn't sound like it should be a problem.
< 1352054504 275232 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting there in the first place would be the problem for me
< 1352054610 597583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did you live again? Sweden? 
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< 1352055245 68203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, the "copying-renumeration-tax" for a single DVD is 0.60 EUR; that's kind of much when the actual price is something like 0.20 EUR/disc. (Price calculated from the first 100-disc spindle from newegg; is perhaps representative.)
< 1352055727 818813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that is outrageous
< 1352055733 973716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know they had that in not-US
< 1352055740 649708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes sense because the US writes copyright law for the rest of the world
< 1352055818 683738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We started it in 1984; the US apparently in 1992.
< 1352055824 434058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And Germany in 1960s.)
< 1352055828 831127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with tape??
< 1352055849 367633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it used to be called "kasettimaksu".
< 1352055856 832631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1352055861 464147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :home taping is killing music!
< 1352055867 581221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applied to C cassettes and VHS tapes, I believe.
< 1352055902 957483 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help
< 1352055909 182340 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a cigar
< 1352055921 367423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently in Finland it also applies to just regular external USB HDs, no matter what you're going to be storing there; 9 EUR for 50-250 GB; 12 EUR for 250-1000 GB; 18 EUR for > 1 TB.
< 1352055924 632690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're gonna go far
< 1352055942 381673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're gonna fly high, you're never gonna die you're gonna make it if you try they're gonna *love* you
< 1352055945 466525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it does not apply if you buy a external USB HD chassis and a regular SATA drive separately.)
< 1352055947 255352 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Re. the DVDs: fi.wikipedia says the tax is 74% of the price
< 1352055955 840236 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: help
< 1352055982 856276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I think they've changed the numbers; those are from 2007.
< 1352056000 740113 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, 74%!?
< 1352056003 357817 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is insane 
< 1352056005 565615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The 0.60 EUR/disc came from http://www.tulli.fi/fi/suomen_tulli/julkaisut_ja_esitteet/kasikirjat/rajoituskasikirja/liitetiedostot/hyvitysmaksu.pdf that's dated December 2011.
< 1352056029 960884 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's correct, the 2007 bit is just for the price of the disc without the tax
< 1352056091 423611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The latest is http://www.hyvitysmaksu.fi/teosto/hymysivut.nsf/0/0f085260b8604de9c22573b1003c22ec/$FILE/Asetus2012_FI.pdf and it too says 0.60 EUR per disc.
< 1352056104 584973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Unlike fi.wikipedia, which claims 0.73.
< 1352056116 996045 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It says "arvonlisäveroineen", and 0.6 * 1.22 is ~0.73
< 1352056121 79696 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I'm with kmc on this.
< 1352056126 948519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh; right, then.
< 1352056144 924328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: why do you have a cigar
< 1352056147 504476 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Although shouldn't it be 1.23 these days? In which case it's off by a cent
< 1352056159 716086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I think it should, yes.
< 1352056160 480389 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless they're rounding down; whatever
< 1352056173 322674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's not all that important.
< 1352056182 504520 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, the non-tax price of a disc is probably lower so it's probablby more than 74% these days.
< 1352056186 76243 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-b
< 1352056250 265332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: As mentioned, my first hit for a 100-disc spindle from abroad was 0.20 EUR/disc. I'm sure you could find cheaper too.
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< 1352056285 532765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or 24.99 USD / 100 discs, to be exact; it maps to something pretty close.)
< 1352056293 448923 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ironic birthday present
< 1352056302 117937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Sometimes it's just a cigar.
< 1352056348 881528 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it ironic?
< 1352056350 183722 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: They cite (a broken link to) mbnet's hintaseuranta, which would probably have a bit higher price due to the cost of importing. (I don't know how they found a tax-free price there, though.)
< 1352056365 567139 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is atriq a tee-totaller?
< 1352056369 380417 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the box say it's actually a pipe?
< 1352056369 538351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do they have computers in Finland
< 1352056380 493322 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :D
< 1352056387 301846 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, nah, I just don't like the smell of tobacco
< 1352056390 697886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've heard there's, like, five.
< 1352056395 486958 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or alcohol
< 1352056398 627555 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, they have konnpyuuta.
< 1352056402 635883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'irony' means "bad ideas done on purpose" these days
< 1352056421 312560 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm effectively teetotal, but it's personal preference, not ideological
< 1352056432 402152 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I like wine on occassion
< 1352056436 401040 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a guy in my analysis class who smokes a pipe
< 1352056451 907387 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Yeah, there's a rather big difference between "don't like it" and "I am morally opposed". :)
< 1352056453 167877 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he looks quite dashing but i always gag when he walks past
< 1352056477 126604 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone I know got ironically given a pipe for his birthday
< 1352056515 553811 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a fried who claimed to be a teetotaller because he was only drinking a little
< 1352056517 358146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i wonder if i should take up smoking e-cigarettes
< 1352056525 636571 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Silly.
< 1352056580 388279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a couple with some... things, that I think were e-cigarettes; they looked really scifi, and suspicious, and I'm still not quite sure what was up there.
< 1352056614 551582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah "electronic cigarettes" sounds like something a lazy sci-fi writer would invent to sound more future-y
< 1352056619 846383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They didn't look like regular cigarettes, which I understand some (many?) attempt to look like.
< 1352056624 855646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :digital water
< 1352056631 389728 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352056632 433561 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :digital bath
< 1352056651 266125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they kind of looked like light saber handles from Star Wars. Except they kept smoking them.
< 1352056654 195076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the effects of nicotine on occasion, but i don't want to smoke tobacco
< 1352056655 325580 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cig-e-rettes
< 1352056699 362853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i owned a vape i should have tried vaping tobacco in it
< 1352056714 921238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what an e-cig is basically
< 1352056726 668354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i wonder if you can make e-joints by analogy
< 1352056736 290190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :temperature needs to be adjusted
< 1352056736 338470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A combination lightsaber/e-cigarette: good idea, or best idea? (Just remember which end is which.)
< 1352056761 936879 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how would they work, these e-cigs?
< 1352056773 726340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think electricity is involved.
< 1352056786 40785 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is tobacco still involved?
< 1352056801 27102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as far as I know.
< 1352056810 59859 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1352056817 722653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really, you're asking a guy who's still not sure whether the only ones I've seen were e-cigs or lightsabers.
< 1352056835 204962 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1352056836 196565 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1352056841 630297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just vaporises something, I know that much.
< 1352056848 233780 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well both do that yeah
< 1352056868 503085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, perhaps the combined model can share some parts.
< 1352056877 914404 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that lightsabers are lightsaber-handle-sized and e-cigs are cigarette-sized, it should be fairly easy to tell them apart
< 1352056897 113598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it vaporizes 'a propylene glycol- or glycerin- or polyethylene glycol-based liquid solution '
< 1352056913 410147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Maybe they've made thinner handles these days. Anyway, they weren't made up like fake cigarettes.
< 1352056936 865695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically everything fizzie says is made up
< 1352056958 776271 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK fizzie but you're going to look like a right tit if you're trying to smoke a lightsabre handle
< 1352056964 307487 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, and that gives the same result as nicotine?
< 1352056985 687219 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, the solution contains nicotine
< 1352056987 127768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it contains nicotine, so... yes.
< 1352056991 631117 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1352056991 916636 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's a flaw in Clojure that I thought of, but I may have mentioned it before
< 1352057010 353449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: i don't think you've ever mentioned Clojure here, actually
< 1352057028 718649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that wikipedia article, it's so encyclopædic: "Newer e cigarettes are using the two piece design now. You now have a battery and a disposable cartomizer. The old three piece method was bad because the cartridge did not hold much "e-juice" and the atomizers were burning up after one or two refills. With the new two piece you get a better "throat hit" and plenty of vapor."
< 1352057058 2364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tone is *exactly* like, say, Encyclopædia Britannica.
< 1352057081 831789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thedailychronic.net/2012/8422/thc-e-cig-goes-to-market/
< 1352057090 912647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :encyclopædophile
< 1352057227 407444 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :derpyclopædia
< 1352057340 33141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually find it remarkable how consistent the tone is on wikipedia
< 1352057353 14069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :given the number of editors
< 1352057360 6978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some aberrations like this article, of course
< 1352057398 45102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly people converge to a shared style in a way that's almost creepy
< 1352057409 545178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the mind control, I'd say.
< 1352057418 689972 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another explanation is that there are many authors but few editors; people add content and then the core editors massage the style
< 1352057424 11592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what they had were maybe something a tiny bit like http://unlimitedecigs.com/store/products/mega-ego-ce5-e-cigarette although I didn't really get a close look.
< 1352057432 440549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i think is supported by the data on edits
< 1352057443 996842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that thing has some slight lightsabreish vibes in there.
< 1352057449 403592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektrichka was less of an encyclopedia article and more a guide on how to ride trains without paying
< 1352057464 384363 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i would buy that thing just for how cool it looks
< 1352057486 357200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rode a suburban train in riga without paying so maybe i've been dog-riding
< 1352057539 271476 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no kmc, you've been train-riding
< 1352057547 32015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the differences are at once subtle and glaring
< 1352057605 631282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in warszawa the gap between train and platform was like 30 cm or more, wtf
< 1352057632 129214 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the more space to get out if you fall down!
< 1352057657 557353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trains are scary
< 1352057667 8211 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: including 2 MEGA EGO batteries, nice
< 1352057681 279981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Just in case you're having ego problems.
< 1352057725 978072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you can have one of 14 different colors for that middle translucent bit, too.
< 1352057740 538092 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know if you're running low on ego?
< 1352057763 533370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a handy scale printed on top of the EGO-CE5 Cartomizer.
< 1352057782 225870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also available in 14 different colors!)
< 1352057792 883733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, red bull flavored nicotine liquid
< 1352057796 152711 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just what i've always wanted
< 1352057999 178988 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of like the taste of Red Bull, I think
< 1352058010 65512 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although only had Red Bull twice
< 1352058016 693005 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was on a train today
< 1352058216 659322 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cemented my hatred of sports people today
< 1352058338 394153 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352058465 373134 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any in particular?
< 1352058470 512267 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in general
< 1352058578 778836 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fashionably geeky to point out your distaste for sports and its followers
< 1352058704 882730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: how is your os
< 1352058786 879578 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how's @?
< 1352058824 913035 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember @
< 1352058892 236011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: better than your os
< 1352059207 90876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sports people"?
< 1352059214 385650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: what kind of train?
< 1352059218 146154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the track gauge
< 1352059234 398367 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352059242 471044 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1352059282 742172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How much does this building weigh?" is a standard question to ask on the company excursions organized by the CS student "guild"/organization.
< 1352059302 720429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how many times there's been a serious answer.
< 1352059320 881951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ham!
< 1352059389 445443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 3.
< 1352059396 753175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 decibuildings
< 1352059399 548093 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It weighs 1 Biru
< 1352059415 893717 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should organize your excursions to happen after the group of students who study the calculation of weights of buildings
< 1352059595 601433 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how fashionably geeky to point out your distaste for sports and its followers
< 1352059604 898768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey now i'm cool with sports and its followers
< 1352059608 971323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sports people i hate
< 1352059625 644937 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what do you mean with sports people?
< 1352059636 860826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, sports people
< 1352059642 601771 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, like athletes? or sport nerds?
< 1352059643 497430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people who are always jogging everywhere
< 1352059647 991961 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are in permanent tracksuits
< 1352059649 220596 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah
< 1352059651 597812 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :those
< 1352059652 794378 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352059664 832158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and emanate an aura of condescending motivation
< 1352059686 393301 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, also walking with ski poles or whatever they are called in English
< 1352059695 196235 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm wearing a jokey science shirt
< 1352059697 699823 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I scum?
< 1352059704 875269 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "Science gives me a hadron"
< 1352059731 65183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you're just bad
< 1352059752 129642 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my analysis teachers seems to make a point of coming in in novelty t-shirts
< 1352059766 486329 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only noticed it a week or so ago though
< 1352059799 83079 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often wear a Homestuck shirt
< 1352059804 180734 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so what is your opinion about people using ski poles when walking?
< 1352059809 898628 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/about/on/
< 1352059821 858312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good shirt
< 1352059838 662869 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do you wear a homestuck skirt/
< 1352059842 542526 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it has similar origins to my cigar
< 1352059845 966355 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, would if I coulsd
< 1352059848 348584 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* could
< 1352059889 5384 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a shirt from nasa with some terribly-typeset equations for escape velocity on it as a gift
< 1352059921 943001 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always get told i look stupid when i wear it though
< 1352059947 596974 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haters gonna hate
< 1352059954 901450 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I just said that
< 1352059957 454371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck
< 1352059958 69336 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost unironically
< 1352059958 118211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you
< 1352059964 832179 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck me indeed
< 1352059980 589434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you weren't into that sort of thing
< 1352059995 813896 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did I
< 1352060002 358271 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Tumblr is doing bad things to me
< 1352060002 991653 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1352060034 398310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haters gonna make some valid points
< 1352060051 88810 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm gonna suscribe to the Haskell tag
< 1352060058 301880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow man maybe you should leave tumblr alone if it's going to change your sexuality
< 1352060255 517212 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You pervosexual!
< 1352060260 775191 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1352060516 741930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdophile
< 1352060716 713972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Do you suppose those people that do architecture do that kind of thing? 
< 1352060724 474613 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no idea
< 1352060734 221436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got a department of that.
< 1352060745 647624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe some other kind of building engineering thing.
< 1352060882 322350 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function
< 1352060900 637897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Master’s Programme in Structural Engineering provides students with a solid knowledge of structural engineering and mechanics, building physics, ageing and life time management of structures,  construction economics and management as well as building materials technology, foundation engineering or building services technology."
< 1352060917 327436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't sound too far off.
< 1352060943 466931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sadly, the companies selected for the excursions tend to differ.)
< 1352061106 891249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: these fireworks are lam
< 1352061107 975985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: these fireworks are lame
< 1352061129 723606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually all fireworks are lame so that is not saying much
< 1352061130 935651 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence (lam -> lame)
< 1352061179 316972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, possibly you are not the best person to evaluate firework quality then
< 1352061242 584424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : actually all fireworks are lame so that is not saying much <-- yeah, they are kind of cool the first time, but the novelty quickly fades
< 1352061308 243816 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fireworks in hexham?
< 1352061339 452478 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the inhabitants of hexham have given up and are trying to blow the whole thing up
< 1352061584 450884 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the city of Roppiki Buta.
< 1352061630 569551 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ro'hîki hùta)
< 1352061662 837877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no some fireworks are fucking sweet
< 1352061666 179391 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously elliott has never seen proper fireworks
< 1352061679 36262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the one at the end of the fringe
< 1352062425 752851 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1352062515 318520 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: six pigs?
< 1352062644 353183 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hex ham
< 1352062708 393833 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :three times as much pig as twin pigs
< 1352062716 458079 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piggies!
< 1352062821 336797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six Pigs is probably like the UK version of Six Flags. (Which I understand is a kinda thing.)
< 1352063465 944039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six Sheep is the Welsh version, of course.
< 1352063511 439833 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes, six pigs is hexham
< 1352063526 651801 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe it should be Roppiki Butaniku
< 1352063545 37681 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :六匹豚 does look awesome though
< 1352063596 422000 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 hexham
< 1352063598 687820 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :urkunz
< 1352063612 722038 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that must be german hexham
< 1352063612 873773 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds black speech
< 1352063636 571988 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how appropriate for a place that was formerly slang for hell
< 1352063653 662474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urkunz sounds like a site of a nuclear accident.
< 1352063772 945195 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be something like chwechmochyn in welsh
< 1352063849 953026 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like the site of a welsh nuclear accident
< 1352063851 57212 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shestsvineygrad
< 1352063891 601863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so does japanese not have a word for pigmeat
< 1352063935 189387 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"豚肉"?
< 1352064120 929677 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, apparently that means 6 4 pig?
< 1352064434 358035 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 kurloz
< 1352064434 657737 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xheybm
< 1352064516 601984 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble hexham
< 1352064517 23904 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hxamhe
< 1352064534 65123 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say something about hexham
< 1352064534 978545 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: she needs to know. do you agree with me, i'd probably be good at that too
< 1352064570 367730 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1352064570 832796 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1352064571 65725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 Kurzweil
< 1352064571 448118 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xhemjrvy
< 1352064574 278462 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1352064576 294158 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew it
< 1352064603 948895 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 hxamhe
< 1352064604 282790 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uknzur
< 1352064631 829224 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble urkunz
< 1352064632 291168 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uknzur
< 1352064661 786697 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop repeating egobot, fungot!
< 1352064662 380271 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but i wouldn't
< 1352064769 834156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Wouldn't repeat, or wouldn't stop? 
< 1352064770 574828 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: like that, although i have no idea what the problem might be
< 1352064776 47682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do you know anything about logrotate
< 1352065120 319883 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1352065467 51668 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "豚肉" is the word for pig meat.
< 1352065651 428383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1352065700 359935 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There exists a thing called OK! Magazine.
< 1352065724 793562 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1352065728 40670 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also Hello!
< 1352065746 18609 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also, 匹 is not 四, they just look similar.
< 1352065831 717529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: i don't understand
< 1352066105 250585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's Heat
< 1352066114 235096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1352066735 790604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION quickly regrets reading the wp articles on vcjd
< 1352066799 912125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352067047 323659 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1352067143 496649 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on
< 1352067146 171905 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Taneb
< 1352067150 907414 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did this happen
< 1352067177 796252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352067213 614504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've been a Taneb for more than two hours now.
< 1352067223 459943 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow
< 1352067228 404074 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wierd
< 1352067232 545750 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Werid
< 1352067236 324827 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :**Weird
< 1352067239 695561 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tan ebb
< 1352067240 349609 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll get there eventually
< 1352067241 383281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a magazine called "Wired".
< 1352067244 967895 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1352067249 433621 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an esolang called Wierd
< 1352067274 295707 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna get some sleep now
< 1352067276 576403 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1352067324 338454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only 22:00...
< 1352067439 404059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime elliott
< 1352067440 479280 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Sun Nov  4 22:17:19
< 1352067442 940112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :netcraft confirms it
< 1352067446 357247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the 22 part
< 1352067511 838486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my UTC offset changed today!
< 1352067622 427210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime kmc
< 1352067625 142410 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for kmc is Sun Nov  4 17:21:26 2012
< 1352067661 271702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland's UTC offset changed last weekend.
< 1352067842 528260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooo
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< 1352069766 548958 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1352069771 494660 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor doesn't have voice any mor
< 1352069773 324264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1352070069 44408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352070798 7448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352071614 801090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So........
< 1352071618 392136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this??????
< 1352071651 580745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes zzo38
< 1352071659 403056 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352071943 850702 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this-as
< 1352071955 514427 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: Previous statement should not necessarily be regarded as correct)
< 1352072223 471220 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i don't understand
< 1352072880 108506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: Which one did you not understand?
< 1352072892 507135 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Do you like this??????
< 1352072895 924449 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "this"
< 1352072919 809097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is.
< 1352072925 357608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is.
< 1352073073 375274 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352073404 772593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which esolangs can be implemented using hardware description language?
< 1352074510 752967 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :1mpr0mp2
< 1352074527 75194 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1352074528 981837 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1352074537 570159 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like writing lots of HDL code
< 1352074856 827321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only HDL codes I have written are FamicomHDL, although I have read Verilog codes for the Amber processor core and for other things.
< 1352074934 155433 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's FamicomHDL?
< 1352074954 470348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardware description for Famicom cartridges
< 1352074971 198426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is actually a library in Haskell
< 1352074994 903002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:22  Ohh xkcd
< 1352074995 97243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:22  The monty python of nerds
< 1352074995 234645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:22  :P
< 1352075070 220817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that monty python
< 1352075076 966178 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://xkcd.com/16/
< 1352075079 265132 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nrom = do { prgrom <- makeROM 0; chrrom <- makeROM 16384; connects $ zip cpuAddress (take 14 $ addressPins prgrom); connects $ zip cpuData (dataPins prgrom); connects $ zip ppuAddress (take 13 $ addressPins chrrom);    ... and so on.
< 1352075090 264465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1352075130 805981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :war and peace, truly the crime and punishment of 19th-century russian novels
< 1352075134 734624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i have read neither of those
< 1352075180 319733 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352075201 258502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though NROM is the simplest mapper (well, almost; there is a simpler one that has neither CHR ROM nor CHR RAM), you still need ten lines of code to program it.
< 1352075271 972717 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course you also need to import (or define) functions such as makeROM, connects, cpuAddress, etc
< 1352075339 752489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other hardware description languages, I do not know a lot about them. I know a few things of Verilog since I have read the codes to implement the Amber processor core.
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< 1352078011 369915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you know anything about linux networking
< 1352078025 388558 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1352078564 805119 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352078571 264575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a pretty vague question though
< 1352078580 955952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatcha whatcha whatcha want
< 1352078756 160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i thought i figured out what i wanted
< 1352078758 538724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i became less sure
< 1352078763 92556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realise it is vague
< 1352078781 819012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i am wondering is how the hell do you communicate with tcp_diag from wizmode
< 1352078798 906130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernel docs for /proc/net/tcp{,6} say that they are deprecated in favour of tcp_diag
< 1352078805 733003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have no idea how to use it and google is no help
< 1352078810 792357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should read the docs or something
< 1352078830 810272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps what i am trying to do is figure out the UID of the owner of a TCP connection
< 1352078857 658960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what that is
< 1352078886 959926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define that
< 1352078894 320784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tcp_diag or wizmode
< 1352078905 803359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1352078908 105701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wizmode/user mode/
< 1352078917 547674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by which i mean
< 1352078918 241069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :userspace
< 1352078939 24411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :netstat -p will give you PIDs
< 1352078965 4239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right i guess that works
< 1352078967 750071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am trying to do it programmatically
< 1352078970 739744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i will look at netstat's source
< 1352078984 60483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or lsof
< 1352078989 318372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are probably terrifying though
< 1352078998 125545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1352078998 247901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes when i want to see how a program does its magic, i use strace
< 1352079006 653784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear something about tcp_diag using netlink sockets
< 1352079008 130484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which uhhhhhh
< 1352079010 410575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :strace++ kmc++
< 1352079011 419592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :buhhhhh
< 1352079011 613389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how to use netlink sockets
< 1352079014 782148 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :run away
< 1352079018 363499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i barely even know what netlink sockets are!
< 1352079020 787262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't wantto know
< 1352079027 988996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a trainwreck
< 1352079028 63626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/wantto/want to/
< 1352079029 59299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what
< 1352079065 166829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :strace: greater program or greatest program
< 1352079085 177549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the linux developers decided that there aren't enough ways for userspace to communicate with the kernel (you know, every system call and every file in procfs or sysfs or debugfs) and so there should be a special socket type for communicating with the kernel as well
< 1352079117 828293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i forgot "every device file" and "every ioctl on every device file"
< 1352079152 665543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they couldn't even be like "here's a UNIX socket with the kernel on the other end"
< 1352079158 803480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: okay well this sounds like a distinct regression from /proc/net/tcp, yes
< 1352079162 280756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be a new socket type which behaves mostly like UNIX sockets
< 1352079164 185918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Netlink was designed for and is used to transfer miscellaneous networking information between the Linux kernel space and user space processes.»
< 1352079165 227278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not quite
< 1352079174 240858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Miscellaneous networking information.
< 1352079180 598253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty useful.
< 1352079312 818171 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4046c.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd
< 1352079338 359102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hm
< 1352079340 409452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what package is netstat in
< 1352079346 562456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have it here
< 1352079538 302834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian net-tools
< 1352079650 124781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "net-tools are deprecated and you should be using iproute2 instead: http://www.archlinux.org/news/deprecation-of-net-tools/" "So I think I have to use ss instead of netstat now. Thanks!"
< 1352079651 477073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :joy
< 1352079759 554761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This April marked the ten year anniversary of the last net-tools release."
< 1352079886 627753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352079969 455425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's rewrite everything again because it's shit
< 1352079973 755185 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen
< 1352079982 809348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so ss uses netlink
< 1352079988 265967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill me now
< 1352080001 209599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already said that once
< 1352080007 853098 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i obliged to kill you twice now
< 1352080009 649395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352080030 297634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :will that make you into a zombie
< 1352080035 326677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352080035 810216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sendmsg(3, {msg_name(12)={sa_family=AF_NETLINK, pid=0, groups=00000000}, msg_iov(1)=[{"L\0\0\0\22\0\1\3@\342\1\0\0\0\0\0\2\0\0\0\0\0\0\0
< 1352080035 857546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0"..., 76}], msg_controllen=0, msg_flags=0}, 0) = 76
< 1352080041 130259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so tell me about using netlink
< 1352080211 187608 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I reckon that in messages that are clearly mostly out of the ASCII range
< 1352080223 219465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :debuggers should escape every character, rather than just unprintable characters
< 1352080232 439941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it almost certainly isn't ASCII, and consistent presentation is useful
< 1352080275 207596 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the approach of "display as a string if it contains no unprintable characters, as a list of numbers otherwise
< 1352080299 360819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you have a long run of printable characters
< 1352080301 849264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to display as text
< 1352080306 863584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case it's binary data with embedded text
< 1352080351 176688 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it an option
< 1352080419 644444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't like options very much, and in that case it'd slow me down to have to set it
< 1352080439 510299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's enough information for the computer to work it out automatically in this case
< 1352080445 291987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I shouldn't have to tell it what to do
< 1352080474 632992 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :next you're going to tell me you're working on boehm GC
< 1352080511 484228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm not, is there something wrong with it that I'd need to fix?
< 1352080541 496196 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :P
< 1352080552 918070 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the "it looks like a duck, so it's a duck" argument is similar
< 1352080580 5313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it
< 1352080591 600082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean how it looks for things that might be pointers
< 1352080874 231086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think strace has that option
< 1352081467 121615 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1352082426 236867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay seriously
< 1352082428 266096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you use netlink
< 1352082434 35069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i want NETLINK_TCPDIAG
< 1352082439 250314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there's any docs
< 1352082496 725236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/shemminger/iproute2.git;a=blob;f=misc/ss.c;h=a0ab2e97cb8aea3f684d07b38df1cdc278c57bbe;hb=HEAD time to read this mess
< 1352082532 408330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jesus
< 1352082600 981900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi
< 1352082662 926321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to read 3000 lines of uncommented C code then I recommend you read Ksplice instead, it's a lot more interesting
< 1352082724 379715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but does it solve my problem
< 1352082728 644842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :smoking salvia is like that TNG episode "The Inner Light" except that the dead civilization that possesses Picard is a race of ten-dimensional hexagons
< 1352083003 763742 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good answer
< 1352083341 457060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO kmc should write this code for me
< 1352083466 574638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as your attorney i advise you to take a hit of some 20x salvia
< 1352083480 198443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it will fix your netlink sockets
< 1352083502 915830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1352083511 732013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear salvia is awful though
< 1352083530 555373 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear people react very differently to it
< 1352083537 985140 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried sucking on the leaves for a bit and it was disgusting
< 1352083541 285984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty terrifying
< 1352083541 392881 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I had to spit them out
< 1352083548 925703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :n.b. you should not heed my legal advice
< 1352083553 364368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not a real attorney
< 1352083563 530707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasp
< 1352083570 637737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though i do use latin abbreviations like "n.b."
< 1352083592 285005 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should spell them all out
< 1352083596 639407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nota bene!
< 1352083625 754983 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good
< 1352083635 890450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: none of your advice so far has been legal though
< 1352083638 23102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know the Hebrew letters for "P. S." are N B?
< 1352083639 924499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :drugs are illegal!
< 1352083656 614624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in נ"ב
< 1352083662 489612 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that sounds confusing. They should've designed hebrew better
< 1352083668 572385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually is salvia still legal
< 1352083678 896327 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, last I looked
< 1352083686 996457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure sage is legal.
< 1352083688 13955 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought a tube of it in boston a couple of years ago
< 1352083697 751864 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there are many varieties of salvia *
< 1352083702 394227 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1352083712 24837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1352083725 79518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as any of them are legal, you can say that salvia is legal.
< 1352083776 392750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah always amused by people who go to home depot and buy the first plant that says "salvia" on the label and try to smoke it
< 1352083795 257435 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should grow some herbs
< 1352083799 99431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :best way to have fresh herbs
< 1352083808 77662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you smoke drugs?
< 1352083809 149833 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :smoke some parsley
< 1352083810 328285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the oyster mushrooms may not be doomed after all
< 1352083813 244411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smoking is disgusting.
< 1352084406 858103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.spinics.net/lists/netdev/msg214494.html
< 1352084407 495453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1352084410 256959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tcpdiag is itself deprecated
< 1352084413 16118 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sockdiag is the latest thing
< 1352084424 525905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahahaha
< 1352084433 586796 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : let's rewrite everything again because it's shit
< 1352084440 581970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SURPRISE IT'S STILL SHIT
< 1352084440 777928 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sure you don't want to try smoking?
< 1352084463 325993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the only thing that isn't shit is @
< 1352084491 492490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because @ is the fixed point of the "let's rewrite everything again because it's shit" operator
< 1352084500 561312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the... greatest fixed point
< 1352084528 258557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greatest in what ordering?
< 1352084534 14687 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the greatest ordering
< 1352084563 356176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't argue with that.
< 1352084785 706748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously not
< 1352085524 501817 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout
< 1352085914 257669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently romney's victory rally is in Boston
< 1352086906 466702 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O
< 1352086924 312993 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well he *was* Governor of the state.
< 1352086926 314146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to have a victory rally
< 1352086929 570083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you're going to lose
< 1352086934 874355 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I hope I won't get to use those rotten eggs I had saved up for a rainy day
< 1352086939 754049 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really?
< 1352087040 584482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1352087041 267572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1352087214 491511 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ding
< 1352087214 800541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1352087472 428884 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b6d79.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352088298 641511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you feel like fixing a bug in lens?
< 1352088303 832510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you do.
< 1352088354 978016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the bug
< 1352088385 379950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ekmett/lens/issues/80
< 1352088421 843437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:42] shachaf will look into it later.
< 1352088426 283931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is me looking into it.
< 1352088454 870139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could use Bazaar
< 1352088455 518302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do that
< 1352088478 442152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you do it?
< 1352088533 942652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have commit rights
< 1352088547 194409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll commit it for you!
< 1352088552 689229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, I'll do it.
< 1352088560 664718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite like the holesOf solution.
< 1352088682 197935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget how sizeof works.
< 1352088684 288052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When does it require sizeof?
< 1352088685 948046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er.
< 1352088687 198163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When does it require parens?
< 1352088691 711720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "sizeof value" OK?
< 1352088698 582180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :C?
< 1352088702 629427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does it need to be "sizeof(value)"? And is that actually "sizeof (value)"?
< 1352088704 110724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, C.
< 1352088709 554477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "sizeof value"
< 1352088715 351218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof isn't a function or function-alike.
< 1352088722 173478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR you need parens sometimes.
< 1352088727 346155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, for types.
< 1352088734 825317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can think of it as the sizeof the cast, I guess.
< 1352088737 970536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sizeof (int)"
< 1352088741 570517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something, I don't know.
< 1352088753 886489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway values don't need parentheses.
< 1352088833 202379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C syntax is pretty wacky
< 1352088845 910335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't that much of it, but there are some strange bits
< 1352088856 544960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"declaration follows use" is just dumb
< 1352088955 507795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is it portable to do struct { struct nlmsghdr blah; struct my_actual_request req; }? And then use &thatstruct in an iovec.
< 1352088962 308213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, can't padding mess that up?
< 1352088969 56580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does Linux guarantee it's OK?
< 1352088986 410738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what are you doing !!
< 1352089069 64033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey this lens library has some pretty nice documentation
< 1352089086 628391 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you want to be sure, use __attribute__((packed))
< 1352089106 694158 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that
< 1352089139 110064 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost certainly not needed, but if nothing else, it documents that you have made this assumption
< 1352089141 805035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the TOGA computer be implemented using a 74163 IC?
< 1352089218 844347 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it could be needed if the struct starts with a 64-bit integer
< 1352089228 565145 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, maybe not
< 1352089240 144350 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only because nlmsghdr happens to be aligned though
< 1352089244 289284 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just suspecting that nlmsghdr... yeah
< 1352089255 778674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for more or less these reasons
< 1352089260 821964 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I guess nlmsghdr itself would be declared packed in that case
< 1352089269 703958 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it wouldn't make a difference
< 1352089276 935881 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shuts up
< 1352089342 405118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :suspecting that its size is a multiple of the largest alignment gcc will force on struct fields
< 1352089345 309764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not sure
< 1352089350 956325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway yeah use 'packed'
< 1352089479 297611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, are you reading the lens documentation?
< 1352089489 926526 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352089491 598787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on github
< 1352089508 313808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :People say it needs a lot more documentation.
< 1352089523 699862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1352089541 750753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day I'll know all the lens operators.
< 1352089541 798197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it has more than "here are the functions and their extremely polymorphic types"
< 1352089568 958349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most places it has "here are the functions and five different specializations of their extremely polymorphic types"
< 1352089580 290832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it uses doctest!
< 1352089580 576143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: if you want to be sure, use __attribute__((packed))
< 1352089582 853398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: that's so unportable :(
< 1352089585 580274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was a Python-only thing.
< 1352089588 942901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's doctest for haskell now?
< 1352089589 725862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1352089604 927132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: eh, it works on GCC and every compiler that imitates GCC
< 1352089608 199065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: I guess the struct is guaranteed to work iff nlmsghdr works though
< 1352089613 26528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So those example are actual tests.
< 1352089618 510822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is all the compilers you might use on Linux really
< 1352089622 784478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I suppose I will skip doing the whole copying-memory nonsense to do it "properly"
< 1352089675 660449 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pragma pack is more portable, i believe, in case you somehow need to compile it with MSVC
< 1352089683 685967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to see an implementation of Checkout in some hardware description language. (Possibly also make a compiler to make a binary, which this implemented hardware then runs.)
< 1352089757 719359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: MSVC for linux
< 1352089766 302704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a good idea"
< 1352089812 791774 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone say a good idea
< 1352089815 552224 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love good ideas
< 1352089831 307286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you collect them
< 1352089845 412366 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352089849 20406 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: make it sadder
< 1352089852 232570 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feed them well and also let them drink
< 1352089909 715562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like MICRO$HAFT VENEREAL COCKS
< 1352089939 669598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good one kmc
< 1352089949 755841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thachaf
< 1352089949 911836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best one ??
< 1352089953 874358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yes"
< 1352089973 599614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    __u8    pad;
< 1352089980 669722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :high tech padding from linux kernel headers industry
< 1352090010 698029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/* Bytecode is sequence of 4 byte commands followed by variable arguments.
< 1352090010 796547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * All the commands identified by "code" are conditional jumps forward:
< 1352090010 842722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * to offset cc+"yes" or to offset cc+"no". "yes" is supposed to be
< 1352090010 842898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : * length of the command and its arguments.
< 1352090010 843004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : */
< 1352090012 320071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good grief
< 1352090023 145955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this
< 1352090029 318397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bytecode for what
< 1352090033 592160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bytecode
< 1352090038 229366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for
< 1352090038 911029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the code of bytes
< 1352090039 120055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :inet_diag
< 1352090045 774300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does this involve bytecode
< 1352090083 957225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I read _Purely Functional Data Structures_?
< 1352090086 692348 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352090097 225661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks good.
< 1352090101 855539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels good
< 1352090115 755932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :theegan
< 1352090267 118566 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does that involve bytecode...
< 1352090290 496381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: depends what `that' is
< 1352090299 563240 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever involves bytecode
< 1352090309 126742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does bytecode involve bytecode
< 1352090312 124447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the grim linux of the far future there is only bytecode
< 1352090354 373430 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the children of the generation of the future: they're just bytecode??? humankind is dead.
< 1352090388 734849 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: im already bytecode
< 1352090427 414545 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows it like being subhuman
< 1352090482 577547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: superhuman
< 1352090542 636857 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hows it like being wrong
< 1352090576 177157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: how's it like being racist against bytecode :/
< 1352090605 557658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :racist against every kind of code
< 1352090607 655578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :except unicode
< 1352091379 815267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: okay apparently I actually have to send bytecode over netlink to find out the pid that owns a socket
< 1352091398 330726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1352091399 523980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a thing
< 1352091440 541170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf++
< 1352091488 270467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid future
< 1352091698 117157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this request code is going to be like
< 1352091700 185982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :60 lines
< 1352091709 120902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that doesn't even count parsing the response
< 1352091755 35124 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you even doign
< 1352091873 629618 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1352091889 664106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you dont want to know..........
< 1352091930 168986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is ais523 on?
< 1352091996 888627 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels too awesome
< 1352092171 57602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes
< 1352092172 986958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sorry
< 1352092181 201439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: q
< 1352092182 1601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: p
< 1352092190 923855 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION feels far too awesome
< 1352092235 208231 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a dangerous feeling
< 1352092244 329501 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ?
< 1352092247 911294 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Potentially
< 1352092281 303610 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh?
< 1352092288 158965 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that feeling
< 1352092291 476310 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you accomplish?
< 1352092299 479071 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Girlfriend get
< 1352092299 526420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes.
< 1352092349 127870 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1352092401 866541 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: congrats!
< 1352092451 881027 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a tiny bit weird; hard to be happy at people IRL 'bout it. Thus, here.
< 1352092461 703384 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, makes sense
< 1352092475 657591 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :people get upset that you're gloating if you do it IRL
< 1352092502 48938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q
< 1352092540 97399 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352093019 10700 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Bah
< 1352093072 895047 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1352095996 881868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is time to take out the trash, and we need to stop supporting pay basis distros such as communist Redhat. They are charging us for the stuff thats spose to be free.
< 1352096039 755602 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need only juche distros.
< 1352096092 116433 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: please tell me you are not serious
< 1352096136 780341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm completely serious, coppro
< 1352096151 535137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that most of you would rather run Windows than Redhat. This is my opinion again, but personally Redhat runs like crap even on newer systems. Stock package management and static binaries may save time, but in the long run they lower your peak perormance and also make the system unstable, and as useless as a used condom. Even recompiling the kernel on Redhat causes problmes. Their modern init scripts interfere with some newer kernel ...
< 1352096157 595411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :... operations. It takes as much time to get Redhat working right as Gentoo.
< 1352096165 299539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1352096166 950527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it makes sense
< 1352096170 744781 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this funroll-loops
< 1352096210 546973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352096216 253982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn freeloading redhat, always taking our stuff and never giving back
< 1352096263 717086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd just like to say, there are so many uses for a used condom
< 1352096641 415524 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352096889 421729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the chess variant "Chaotic Chess", which is not really quite as chaotic as they say it is. Each piece, after move, change into another kind of piece of your choice, subject to restriction cannot change into the pair Pawn-King, Knight-Queen, Bishop-Rook. Win if your opponent has no king.
< 1352097205 448841 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Bye
< 1352097518 963352 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352098580 178284 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION noticies the elixir language
< 1352098937 741960 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi whats that
< 1352099139 991763 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://elixir-lang.org
< 1352099149 616145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi :')
< 1352099161 660400 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language that runs on the Erlang VM. Syntax looks vaguely Rubyish, but it has macros
< 1352099179 181830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is it better than clojure? is it better than tcl
< 1352099183 158674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it better than erlang
< 1352099184 887724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it better than factor
< 1352099190 772508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it better than common lisp
< 1352099214 772908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it better than....
< 1352099215 200556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@
< 1352099224 439551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @
< 1352099224 746031 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . ? @ activity activity-full admin all-dicts arr ask b52s babel bf bid botsnack brain bug check choice-add choose clear-messages compose devils dice dict dict-help djinn djinn-add
< 1352099224 861682 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :djinn-clr djinn-del djinn-env djinn-names djinn-ver do docs dummy easton echo elements elite eval fact fact-cons fact-delete fact-set fact-snoc fact-update faq farber flush foldoc forget fortune
< 1352099224 908859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fptools free freshname ft gazetteer get-shapr ghc girl19 google googleit gsite gwiki hackage help hitchcock hoogle hoogle+ id ignore index instances instances-importing irc-connect jargon join karma
< 1352099224 908998 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma+ karma- karma-all keal kind learn leave let list listall listchans listmodules listservers localtime localtime-reply lojban map messages messages? more msg nazi-off nazi-on nixon oeis offline
< 1352099224 909114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oldwiki palomer part paste ping pl pl-resume pointful pointless pointy poll-add poll-close poll-list poll-remove poll-result poll-show pretty print-notices protontorpedo purge-notices quit quote rc
< 1352099226 776226 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :read reconnect remember repoint run shootout show slap smack source spell spell-all src tell thank you thanks thx ticker time todo todo-add todo-delete topic-cons topic-init topic-null topic-snoc
< 1352099228 673222 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :topic-tail topic-tell type undefine undo unlambda unmtl unpf unpl unpointless uptime url v vera version vote web1913 what where where+ wiki wn world02 yarr yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw yow
< 1352099248 41127 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw
< 1352099248 354091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\"
< 1352099248 400953 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yow
< 1352099248 980165 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't find fortune file
< 1352099250 826755 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always been curious about Erlang's approach to things, but the syntax does bother me, although I think the final straw was when the online book I was reading said that hot-swapping was a thing to try to avoid and is difficult
< 1352099268 23030 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that was enlightening.
< 1352099269 925144 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my only use-case for hot-swapping is to make development faster.
< 1352099296 456856 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@get-shapr
< 1352099296 762670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shapr!!
< 1352099304 282005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we not do the lambdabot: @ thing
< 1352099328 224474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :these bots are made for spammin'
< 1352099337 469228 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't erlang syntax just prolog syntax taken too far
< 1352099350 412357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1352099354 360759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how far is too far
< 1352099355 297420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it be vaguely more productive spam than lambdabot: @
< 1352099358 478461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that is really annoying
< 1352099361 241705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1352099361 436865 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to venture a guess that Elixir is better syntax-wise than Ruby
< 1352099372 715574 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, wild guess man
< 1352099375 102141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you a venture capitalist
< 1352099577 331730 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what makes you say that. are you going to learn elixir now. what makes you like elixir.
< 1352099595 1838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is elixir the new clojure.
< 1352099690 99855 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exciting world of new languages and doing(?) things(??) with(????) them(???????)
< 1352099748 730331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing things with, n. telling #esoteric all about
< 1352099751 855042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1352099753 5261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a noun
< 1352099753 417188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of question marks monqy
< 1352099754 870708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck dictionaries
< 1352099758 446116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use up your lifetime supplies
< 1352099786 514831 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :watching from a distance, community involvement(???)
< 1352099814 654937 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an elixir reddit you can teach about how elixir works
< 1352099815 778237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lambdabot: @" "Maybe you meant: @"  Yeah, maybe.
< 1352099836 332827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elixir restores both your HP and MP to full.
< 1352100466 136624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1352101256 872644 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1352101264 987668 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Elixir's "records" are mutable.
< 1352101265 679429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1352101283 501487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh
< 1352101287 31146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutable state in 2012?? how unfashionable
< 1352101296 101302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Megalixir will restore *every party member's HP/MP*, if you can believe it.
< 1352101303 583959 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and calling them records?????
< 1352101312 40421 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, elixir
< 1352101321 925800 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't care what they're called, just about their mutability.
< 1352101331 77826 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Erlang supposed to use immutable stuff?
< 1352101391 787385 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you are confusing values with variable
< 1352101394 67684 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*variables
< 1352101399 855077 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erlang does not have mutable variables
< 1352101407 128810 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Keep in mind that records (as any other data structure) in Elixir are immutable. "
< 1352101423 479663 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell does not have mutable variables either
< 1352101454 591514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it does
< 1352101494 710232 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I understand. They're immutable.
< 1352101540 486473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352101911 527529 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elixir has an interesting approach to macro hygiene, but I need to think about it for a while.
< 1352102235 560033 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it, what's there to think about, what's interesting about it
< 1352102731 951258 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352104014 411922 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Lispy terms, a symbol in a quasiquote is distinct from a symbol received as an argument
< 1352104234 952301 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1352105273 688464 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1352106036 12670 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: sleep
< 1352106429 526226 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1352106471 710779 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352106556 789337 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, in Brogue, is it possible to give allies instructions?
< 1352106617 157239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: no but you can swap with them which is helpful... the closest thing is that when they're ready to learn a new ability you can herd them to the tile where a monster recently died and they'll learn from that one
< 1352106632 862436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but they find such a square without your assistance anyway, it just lets you pick which one sometimes)
< 1352106643 843284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :allies take care of themselves fairly well generally
< 1352106670 75384 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can't say "Oi, friendly monkey! Go round there so that monkey that nicked my enhancement scroll can't escape!"
< 1352106691 297673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1352106695 694152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want a tip for dealing with monkeys
< 1352106701 49480 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1352106702 883747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is incredibly complex
< 1352106703 599416 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be nice
< 1352106704 30135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is the tip
< 1352106706 793958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :throw darts at them until they die
< 1352106711 344900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chasing them is pointless
< 1352106720 488286 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if they steal your darts
< 1352106725 198740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sometimes they steal your darts but you can just drop your darts before they steal and then pick up the darts afterwards. i don't do that
< 1352106730 912317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if monkeys steal my darts what i do is i quit and start again
< 1352106737 221022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :life's too short
< 1352106772 374468 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you give me a tip about bloats
< 1352106775 178672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is a free bonus tip about acid amounds: unequip your armour and weapon to fight them and then put it back on afterwards
< 1352106779 622305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: which kind
< 1352106786 83438 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plain ones
< 1352106787 894070 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And pit ones
< 1352106789 820833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the normal kind you can just pop and then walk out of the cloud and rest until it goes away
< 1352106794 130026 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And any other ones I haven't seen
< 1352106797 75383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :other kinds you want to use darts
< 1352106815 253598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :darts are useful with regular bloats too actually, since if one is close to other monsters you can kill it and the gas will hurt all the other dudes
< 1352106826 891603 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this nethack
< 1352106832 188371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's brogue
< 1352106834 727741 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :With all the names changed around
< 1352106835 712828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"basically the same"
< 1352106849 368418 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nethack but we just call it brogue because we're speaking in code
< 1352106853 820053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you fix lens
< 1352106854 279621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: ps by acid amounds i mean acid mounds
< 1352106857 234674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no
< 1352106859 520093 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got that
< 1352106868 732003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "want a fun project"
< 1352106873 368795 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1352106876 347818 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate fun
< 1352106877 390992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither :'(
< 1352106883 407962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who can i give this fun project to !
< 1352106887 825003 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo
< 1352106896 194668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: want a fun project
< 1352106942 843528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : no comment
< 1352106948 379534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1352106967 948118 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can you give me a hint about pink jellies
< 1352106995 642143 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What project, and why do I have a feeling it will be lens related?
< 1352107005 350487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the project is:
< 1352107007 34477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix lens
< 1352107020 382299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually there are two projects.
< 1352107023 924208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One is to fix bug #80
< 1352107031 961715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ekmett/lens/issues/80
< 1352107048 988205 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I would but I'm fixing semigroupoids
< 1352107056 716989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: What is there to fix?
< 1352107058 530417 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: you can fight them in corridors or backed up into a dead end or something. the idea is that you can only be adjacent to 2 or 1 or so.  another tech is to position the jelly so its spawns are more likely to end up behind it instead of behind you
< 1352107062 638673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott, can you give me a hint about pink jellies
< 1352107067 234406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: the easiest way is: get to a door
< 1352107068 622603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stand in the door
< 1352107075 105740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"semigroupoids: the simplest thing in the world?"
< 1352107079 386353 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, Documentation for Data.Functor.Extend
< 1352107081 106568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit the jelly until it spawns behind you, then kill that spawn and continue hitting the original one
< 1352107087 388059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: you can do it without a corner like this but it's really the easiest
< 1352107097 244605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since jellies can spawn in three spaces (to the sides of the corner)
< 1352107101 13456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they can't hit you diagonally around a corner
< 1352107102 905896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're safe from them
< 1352107109 688858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only get hit by two at once because of how corners work
< 1352107126 212341 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea what Bazaar is
< 1352107132 599458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: basically though just fight them not in the open
< 1352107141 35636 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a good tip
< 1352107160 900705 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: more tip: if you light them on fire and then they split their splits will be on fire too
< 1352107172 136434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a goblin conjurer tip too if you haven't figured those out yet!!
< 1352107175 256785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm full of brogue tips
< 1352107184 405549 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: more tip: if you discord them and split their splits will be discorded and kill each other
< 1352107196 717700 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh
< 1352107201 543838 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hit me
< 1352107202 365664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most common thing: finding discord while you have jelly problems
< 1352107210 354168 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :acidic jelly
< 1352107225 56266 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is this the tip where you back up into a cirroidor so it summons stuff behind itself thus trapping itself
< 1352107227 728287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: if you chase them before they summon then they won't summon they'll just run away from you. so if you chase them into a corridor (not open space) like this .@.g.
< 1352107235 543903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: and press z (to skip turns) until it summons
< 1352107239 317601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then some of the blades will go in front of it
< 1352107241 208305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some will go behind it
< 1352107243 882142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can kill the one in front of it
< 1352107248 19840 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh cool
< 1352107249 331058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it won't be able to run because it'll have its blades behidn it
< 1352107250 438466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*behind
< 1352107251 981719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can kill it
< 1352107262 819610 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take that as a "yes"
< 1352107264 247741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no it's an entirely different tip
< 1352107332 842379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have a tip
< 1352107347 362407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "shut up if you know what's good for you"
< 1352107375 882183 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happiness is not the absence of conflict, but the ability to cope with it.
< 1352107475 898431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Death is not *anything*... Death is... Not. It's the absence of presence, nothing more. the endless time of never coming back.
< 1352107555 762272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you noticed fewer runic stuff than before in 1.7 btw
< 1352107557 904586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have
< 1352107565 636876 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Never Too Late For Good Things To Happen!
< 1352107576 126996 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh i only played 1.7 ....twice?
< 1352107628 496970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: should play it some more!!! "it's harder than 1.6.4"
< 1352107665 651106 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352107672 794360 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i will!!!
< 1352107833 11155 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Death was like http://www.vamp.org/Gothic/Images/images/death2.gif
< 1352107881 546040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Do you suppose Death could be a boat?
< 1352107927 724346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guildenstern: No, no, no... death is not. Death isn't. Take my meaning? Death is the ultimate negative. Not-being. You can't not be on a boat.
< 1352107930 905522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rosencrantz: I've frequently not been on boats.
< 1352107933 446798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guildenstern: No, no... what you've been is not on boats.
< 1352108023 356593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rosencrantz: Did you ever think of yourself as actually dead, lying in a box with a lid on it?
< 1352108026 220276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guildenstern: No.
< 1352108028 752737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rosencrantz: Nor do I, really. It's silly to be depressed by it. I mean, one thinks of it like being alive in a box. One keeps forgetting to take into account the fact that one is dead, which should make all the difference, shouldn't it? I mean, you'd never know you were in a box, would you? It would be just like you were asleep in a box. Not that I'd like to sleep in a box, mind you. Not without any air. You'd wake up dead, for a start, and ...
< 1352108034 816323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :... then where would you be? In a box. That's the bit I don't like, frankly. That's why I don't think of it. Because you'd be helpless, wouldn't you? Stuffed in a box like that. I mean, you'd be in there forever, even taking into account the fact that you're dead. It isn't a pleasant thought. Especially if you're dead, really. Ask yourself, if I asked you straight off, "I'm going to stuff you in this box. Now, would you rather be alive or ...
< 1352108040 812767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :... dead?" Naturally, you'd prefer to be alive. Life in a box is better than no life at all, I expect. You'd have a chance, at least. You could lie there thinking, "Well. At least I'm not dead. In a minute somebody is going to bang on the lid, and tell me to come out." [bangs on lid] "Hey, you! What's your name? Come out of there!"
< 1352108045 862158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[long pause]
< 1352108048 404845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guildenstern: I think I'm going to kill you.
< 1352108050 773316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "is that what you feel like sometimes"
< 1352108054 693218 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listen to yourself more often
< 1352108075 573422 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your way of doing what other people do their way is what makes you special.
< 1352108111 68535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whose way?
< 1352108145 126380 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are contemplating some action which will bring credit upon you
< 1352108211 909168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy$ fortune
< 1352108222 719568 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO MANY PEOPLE VOLUNTEER TO CARRY THE STOOL WHEN ITS TIME TO MOVE THE PIANO
< 1352108257 727464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :THATS DISGUSTING
< 1352108265 325022 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow! A secret message from you teeth!
< 1352108281 759995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy$ for i in `seq 1 5`; do fortune; done
< 1352108307 594526 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1352108315 361157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
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< 1352108336 352290 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :126)  reading playboy for the articles actually seems plausible nowadays  after all, there's porn all over the internet, why would you /pay/ for it
< 1352108370 92187 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :155)  Why do you use random acronyms you know we don't know the expansions of?  alise: TLAAW
< 1352108372 917039 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :779)  Just seen this comment on reddit: "Parallel programming has been a solved problem for decades." I might have to stop reading the internet.
< 1352108374 307937 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :767)  "Sgeo: how refreshing to see you talk about something other than whatever the heck homestuck is"
< 1352108375 188717 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :174)  there's a rather clear separation into the 99% of esolangs that are fun syntax ideas, and the 3% that someone actually put some thought into.
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< 1352109576 344862 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like 779
< 1352109582 214524 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 767
< 1352109585 418183 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :155 is good
< 1352109651 454758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :767 is unimpeachable & i like 799
< 1352109653 183805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dislike 155
< 1352109655 411648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let us fight to the death
< 1352109664 705615 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it's cold outside
< 1352109672 218350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed
< 1352109672 299139 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :799 wasn't even shown
< 1352109676 791884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its cold inside too
< 1352109679 46524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :779
< 1352109682 959324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 799
< 1352109686 787741 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :799)  A lot of things happened; not only me, but also you
< 1352109692 246962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :799 is good too
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< 1352109740 546913 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like 767 and 799
< 1352109748 433889 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :155 isn't so great
< 1352109772 980612 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, stop sucking up to elliott
< 1352109777 606222 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not!!!!
< 1352109787 249961 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets find a quote we disagree on
< 1352109788 896932 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352109791 708027 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :729)  I had a dream last night where I got hit by a van but the van had a brain uploader in it and I was uploaded and I angsted because I was stuck spending eternity with singularitarians?
< 1352109801 365976 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a good quote
< 1352109813 119575 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed it is
< 1352109875 56666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say 767
< 1352109882 179597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352109885 291884 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :591)  i agree with elliott
< 1352109885 823784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352109886 971550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352109887 383542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352109887 758922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352109891 14540 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 591
< 1352109895 870922 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :481)  OK, Taneb's been taken by a mood and he needs raw emeralds.   It's been fun knowing him.
< 1352109905 537920 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  i agree with elliott
< 1352109915 595980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what if there's an even worse one
< 1352109923 681456 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can delete it too
< 1352109928 170979 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :442)  Look, I often walk my dog through a field with cows in it. And I punched myself in the face once.
< 1352109929 111209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats cheating
< 1352109929 278313 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :270)  okay see in my head it went, you send from your other number smth like "i'd certainly like to see you in those pink panties again" and she's like "WHAT?!? Sgeo took a pic?!?!?! that FUCKING PIG"
< 1352109931 337156 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :351)  scripting language.  whole program analysis.  together at last
< 1352109941 785372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love zomgmodules
< 1352109974 257555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352109974 773973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352109975 112681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352109975 345690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352109975 563076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352109992 816329 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :82)  For those who don't know: INTERCAL is basically the I Wanna Be The Guy of programming languages. Not useful for anything serious, but pretty funny when viewed from the outside.
< 1352110015 420829 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be the Endless Forest of video games
< 1352110023 618163 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endless Forest, probably
< 1352110025 906095 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be the pacman of video games
< 1352110026 331840 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :844)  Do you think " `addquote [with no context] < zzo38> Do you think psychology is worse, or not?" is worse, or not?
< 1352110030 182579 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :650)  VMS Mosaic?   I hope that's not Mosaic ported to VMS.   Hmm. It's Mosaic ported to VMS.
< 1352110030 267714 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :625)  You know what annoys me about Deep Space 9.   It wasn't in deep space.   It was orbiting Bajor.
< 1352110033 515806 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :583)  lol :(
< 1352110040 813996 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, what would be the Endless Forest of programming languages
< 1352110060 918630 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be the pacman of programming languages
< 1352110065 692872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pacman
< 1352110069 382796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you have `a vote'
< 1352110080 623611 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1352110103 924485 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :625 or 583 probably
< 1352110113 758140 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be the Artwar of programming languages?
< 1352110138 933972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :650
< 1352110145 371258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110145 779007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110146 161611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110146 477458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110146 725208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110154 419375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SAID 650
< 1352110161 350956 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :444)  The Russian's emblem was the hammer and sickle, not the fist and other fist
< 1352110174 109376 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have said lol :( many a time myself
< 1352110179 809628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :youre not myndzi
< 1352110191 323698 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :351)  scripting language.  whole program analysis.  together at last
< 1352110193 724098 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :May not have said it in here
< 1352110194 815685 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :409)  Phantom_Hoover: nope, I removed . from the current directory
< 1352110199 909490 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :473)  i try to be a hermit but it's hard with all these housemates.
< 1352110201 846561 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :49)  ???  Are the cocks actually just implanted dildos?  Or are there monster dildos and cocks?  Or are both the dildos and cocks monster?
< 1352110204 585306 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time a guy said lol D: and it was pretty great :-)
< 1352110212 63074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-:
< 1352110227 161818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110227 577954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110228 34092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110228 330590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110228 618557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110234 523023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-:-)
< 1352110238 635874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they share eyes
< 1352110242 157669 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :607)  An 'ad hobbitem' fallacy is when you try to undermine someone's credibility by referring to how hairy his/her feets are.
< 1352110273 68884 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :518)  That's the stupidest thing I've heard all morning. (Though I did wake up five minutes ago, so I haven't had a chance to hear very much.)   The "Why are you still asleep? I told the cat to wake you up." comment does come pretty close, though.
< 1352110274 655978 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :121)  Gregor-P: I don't think lambda calculus is powerful enough
< 1352110280 400464 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :788)  l is it real   I am [...]  because of how on earth would I do that [...]  I dont even no idea what I'm saying
< 1352110281 861707 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1)  I used computational linguistics to kill her.
< 1352110292 721977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love 518
< 1352110295 321321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you love 518 monqy
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< 1352110345 368330 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its pretty ok thumbs up
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< 1352110354 323287 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont get 1
< 1352110423 605156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont either but its always been #1
< 1352110425 652354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can never be deleted
< 1352110426 115911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever
< 1352110444 924524 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110448 486439 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :672)  I guess only gay people fuck?
< 1352110448 689899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: how about 788
< 1352110455 754518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 788
< 1352110460 192724 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  l is it real   I am [...]  because of how on earth would I do that [...]  I dont even no idea what I'm saying
< 1352110460 953441 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110464 460350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110465 308207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110465 584616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110475 217614 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :809)  And I may soon lack both a head and a wall
< 1352110477 27751 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :533)  Maybe I should try to learn Scala instead of Ruby   I will boil your veins.   Which is less bad?   Probably Scala, but I don't want you learning languages.
< 1352110485 500513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :533 is bad imho
< 1352110492 710957 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :533 is "real good"
< 1352110498 131804 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :499)  What is miff-muffered moof?   that's a tough question
< 1352110499 267955 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :33)  is there a problem with it being carbonized :D   yes: carbonized coffee bean is known more commonly as "charcoal"
< 1352110507 69876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what does "real good" mean
< 1352110515 409113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like 499
< 1352110518 401265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like 33 a bit too
< 1352110524 196304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like 809 a bit but i don't know why
< 1352110529 484107 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :miff-muffered moof sounds like a setup to something, but itidus screws it up.
< 1352110538 746952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't delete 672 of course
< 1352110661 478166 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  499)  What is miff-muffered moof?   that's a tough question [...]  miff-muffered moof sounds like a setup to something, but itidus screws it up.
< 1352110665 392951 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :873)  499)  What is miff-muffered moof?   that's a tough question [...]  miff-muffered moof sounds like a setup to something, but itidus screws it up.
< 1352110682 440438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"adding a quote: just as good as deleting a quote?"
< 1352110687 718686 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352110689 755465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110689 981481 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"who knows"
< 1352110690 100330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110690 430007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110690 789809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110691 95329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110694 51128 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"monqy, evidently"
< 1352110705 59365 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :682)  if the halting problem was solved, as a placebo.. would it benefit people?
< 1352110725 978263 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :682 is good
< 1352110735 67002 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :386)  I'm not even going to try and understand what you're proposing.   i understand it perfectly.  it's completely nuts.
< 1352110736 714833 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :171)  syntax is the least important part of a programming language   other than Python
< 1352110751 37737 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :541)  I'm sacrificing the animals, then I'm going to bed.
< 1352110751 371558 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :871)  typed racket: anyone using a model m keyboard
< 1352110765 112098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of those are good.................................
< 1352110771 186651 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110778 938177 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :625)  You know what annoys me about Deep Space 9.   It wasn't in deep space.   It was orbiting Bajor.
< 1352110780 464757 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this one will be bad
< 1352110782 210188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110782 620167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110782 874131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110783 180600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110789 178343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta have the 5
< 1352110795 219647 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :64)  im the worst person in the world
< 1352110807 619112 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget who fax is so i dont get 64
< 1352110819 32391 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i ever know who fax is ?
< 1352110821 160554 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :671)  The reason the cute animals collection includes pictures of intestines is that cute animals have to have intestines.
< 1352110821 244537 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :470)  beautiful summer / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
< 1352110822 695761 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MissPiggy or I think?
< 1352110824 653383 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :825)  . o O ( (watches on from a distance) I just can't think that abstractly... or I don't want to.  I'm more, there are 2 trains heading in opposite directions: what year were they built? How many windows do they have? Is anyone train surfing on them? Is Ringo Starr narrating this problem? ) [...]  Do they serve french toast in the dining carriage?
< 1352110829 798284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: MissPiggy quantumEd soupdragon j-invariant crystal-cola
< 1352110831 689163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list goes on
< 1352110843 797785 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew about fax being crystal-cola and i knew about j-invariant too but
< 1352110854 825699 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget about all of these people other than them being the worst person in the world
< 1352110858 34262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't think it's possible to know fax and then forget about fax
< 1352110862 41040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably you never did
< 1352110867 601965 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never knew fax
< 1352110868 97478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: am i fax
< 1352110870 780976 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just knew about fax
< 1352110872 241260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :671 is good, 470 is good
< 1352110876 830234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :825 is good
< 1352110877 942870 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw a few crystal-cola quotes
< 1352110885 767585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 is traditional. good? maybe. but traditional
< 1352110896 935424 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm ok
< 1352110899 622831 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets 470
< 1352110907 659057 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations
< 1352110920 813224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110921 95466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110921 408531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110921 768588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110922 159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352110924 91914 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :having to dig hard to find bad quotes is a sign of a good qdb !
< 1352110939 424173 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :55)  So... copyright doesn't really apply to God.
< 1352110970 859063 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :761)  fungot: Feeling scrambled after all that?   fizzie: but it's much like new zealand, in my stone-age country, we still like you even if you're only using the new fnord
< 1352110972 550670 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :470 isn't a haiku :(
< 1352110976 439734 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :757)  I swear my dreams are becoming increasingly rave + computer science oriented
< 1352110986 922951 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :564)  one time I tried cpp programming ​  it was hellish ​  maybe I should try again
< 1352110987 10796 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :613)  Also you steal Berwick from us and then say you don't want it?   You stole it from us first!
< 1352110987 219133 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I remember that
< 1352111003 243034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1352111015 47966 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never did like 613
< 1352111038 50312 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don;t know enough about your history to get 613
< 1352111086 207130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berwick-upon-Tweed#Struggles_for_control_of_Berwick
< 1352111097 863504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main important part is that nobody actually cares about berwick
< 1352111101 874144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not even people who live in berwick??
< 1352111109 259622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about me
< 1352111113 591787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i care about berwick
< 1352111115 638552 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The UK Betty Crocker factory is in Berwick
< 1352111117 833010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111118 42547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111118 273564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111118 562088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111118 729686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111135 797249 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :604)  so you are doing for compilers what imperative programming did for functional programming
< 1352111167 984531 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :201)  your premise to falsify "false" is false
< 1352111171 302049 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :315)  i understand that people had to use twitter and facebook before irc was invented, but now they just feel like ancient history
< 1352111172 785668 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :580)  Hulu's movie selection is like MST3K without the MST3K characters.
< 1352111175 444308 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :459)  It's ok guys.  I am doing what I can to keep my psyche and ego surviving. All the while the threat of ww3 looms, the mortality of family and friends(loved ones?) and sooner or llater my own mortality.
< 1352111186 27999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :459 is beautiful
< 1352111214 297003 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is itidus still alive
< 1352111232 906452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352111234 724408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111235 121853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111235 562408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111235 912171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111236 240824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111242 3173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: how about 201 from that previous set?
< 1352111243 859017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that good
< 1352111255 702593 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :153)  < ais523> then running repeatedly until you get the right sequence of random numbers < ais523> and just completely ignoring the input <-- some people live their entire lives this way, i reckon
< 1352111268 805599 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 201
< 1352111291 796000 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  your premise to falsify "false" is false
< 1352111295 898733 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :104)  alise: why internet is like wtf
< 1352111302 842723 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :97) * Warrigal refuses to say goodbye to Quas NaArt, as he is coming closer, not going farther.
< 1352111304 542055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Is internet like wtf? 
< 1352111305 237207 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i suppose directions are given in the fnord, myself.
< 1352111310 513748 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :458)  itidus20: i saw a dancing cgi skeleton named malaria. i danced and played with him.
< 1352111311 13233 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :467)  Sgeo_, the origin of suffering is desire for e-book readers.
< 1352111343 370374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any votes
< 1352111360 193841 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :467
< 1352111372 819459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy?
< 1352111386 99221 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advantages of e-book readers: take up less space
< 1352111393 507289 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disadvantages: bookcases look cool
< 1352111419 496498 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know quas naart or warrigal so i dont get 97.  the best part of 467 is imagining the context. it's addressed to sgeo. what could have happened there
< 1352111420 801133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: You can just have a bookcase full of e-book readers.
< 1352111427 784375 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect
< 1352111480 641321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the "97 story" is quas naart was travelling somewhere but it was technically geographically closer to warrigal (you actually do know warrigal) so he didn't say bye when he left on irc
< 1352111484 556872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the best quote
< 1352111537 772040 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 97
< 1352111541 919775 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* * Warrigal refuses to say goodbye to Quas NaArt, as he is coming closer, not going farther.
< 1352111544 705417 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unimpressed"
< 1352111548 37660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111548 150159 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111548 485121 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111548 533148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111548 764032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111548 810919 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111549 102311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111549 149789 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111550 871270 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP
< 1352111550 956451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooops
< 1352111556 18963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i invalidate this run of quotes
< 1352111561 422308 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too late
< 1352111566 257244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1352111575 108480 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :495)  well, you have bested me   itidus20: Yes.
< 1352111585 271384 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"with any luck they're all good"
< 1352111607 441009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip HackEgo
< 1352111658 699210 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :89)  Making a small shrine to Lawlabee in my basement is something I should get around to at some point.
< 1352111659 369001 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :755)  I swear my dreams are becoming increasingly rave + computer science oriented
< 1352111661 322295 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :828) < oklopol> oh god another crazy haskell understander < oklopol> i have to leave
< 1352111663 13985 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :720)  [...] "paikankin päällä" sounds just fine
< 1352111664 664638 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :627)  That was me being *nice*. I could have made the request by word of mouth to my My Little Pony toys and it would count.
< 1352111666 168251 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :525)  game where you flip a coin but it's really really big
< 1352111666 253338 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :557)  dangit I need someone who knows the answers to my problems instantly and is always around for me!   I need.....an adult ;_;
< 1352111712 86439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: let me know when it's over.....
< 1352111713 344171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that it
< 1352111720 918810 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is
< 1352111739 910174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :720 is "quite bad" imho
< 1352111776 542927 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also dont get 627 or 89 or
< 1352111795 221347 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :557 isnt so great
< 1352111826 504531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :89 isn't so great either
< 1352111832 113513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :627 is referencing some agora thing i think??? ais523????
< 1352111838 655820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i quite like 557 personally
< 1352111847 67124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 720
< 1352111856 895765 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  [...] "paikankin päällä" sounds just fine
< 1352111858 521117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you going to do it or me.......
< 1352111861 67341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont want "a repeat"
< 1352111887 517460 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111887 824624 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111888 131688 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111888 438063 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111888 899641 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352111903 317307 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :47)  GregorR: are you talking about ehird's virginity or your soda beer?
< 1352111922 639715 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont get 47 can you explain it
< 1352111926 239406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its
< 1352111927 150380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1352111930 815097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a long story
< 1352111946 798189 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fall in love
< 1352111948 219605 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this an "old esoteric" thing
< 1352111953 547435 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :446)  So... God has jizzed on everything?   have you even READ the bible?
< 1352111958 253902 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :263)  320 quotes and still not a funny one yet!
< 1352111960 110264 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :432)  MY CONTINUITY   MY FANFICTION   RUINED
< 1352111960 192732 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :600)  Dammit, Gregor, this is not the time to fall in love \ 621)  678)  Dammit, Gregor, this is not the time to fall in love   187)  Gregor: You should never have got her pregnant.   what whaaaaaaaaaaaat
< 1352111964 127483 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :732)  oh right: Frooxius, you wouldn't happen to live in Hexham, would you?   No, sorry.   phew   How about Finland?   Why would I live there?   That's a *very* good question.   Why would anyone?
< 1352111986 947834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :732 is good
< 1352111999 309074 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore 600 and 621 they were a separate quotegetting
< 1352112041 101464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: this batch isn't so good on the whole imho
< 1352112049 808618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk which should be deleted though
< 1352112069 234800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1
< 1352112072 492641 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1)  I used computational linguistics to kill her.
< 1352112073 918279 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :732 is the only only one i really like
< 1352112076 218763 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of those
< 1352112077 641491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is terrible
< 1352112079 399617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say 1
< 1352112113 655670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you see the thing in #haskell about lazy binary numbers?
< 1352112135 625533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1352112177 626074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352112178 137937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352112178 433252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352112179 107881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352112179 425090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352112183 93508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352112193 90037 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :160)  dc -e '[a=]P?[b=]P?[dSarLa%d0 "Unlike other operating systems, Linux operating systems use Linux"
< 1352112214 900072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The question was whether you could have any representation of natural numbers other than Z | S N that let you do things like length foo >= n
< 1352112218 435291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 606 would be improved without the [] context
< 1352112232 325123 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :852)  Because, if it is all wrong, then I should fix it please
< 1352112233 389588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sure, just define it as binary
< 1352112241 90161 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :477)  Phantom_Hoover: it is a hate so pure and... pumpkin seeds?
< 1352112241 281153 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :792) * elliott is back not for killing purposes but here to kill people.
< 1352112243 151742 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on a second
< 1352112243 280742 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :509)  Maybe if you try diplomacy.   Pointy steel diplomacy
< 1352112244 565511 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  "Unlike other operating systems, Linux operating systems use Linux"
< 1352112247 520874 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 606
< 1352112249 407743 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :871)  "Unlike other operating systems, Linux operating systems use Linux"
< 1352112252 227187 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* [in the context of Open University]  "Unlike other operating systems, Linux operating systems use Linux"
< 1352112255 58364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: nnnno monqy....
< 1352112258 721797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not how you edit quotes
< 1352112259 236291 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITS TOO LATE
< 1352112261 954887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop
< 1352112264 807369 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know how to edit quotes
< 1352112267 22101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1352112267 217688 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1352112269 175634 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1352112269 609404 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt wnat to
< 1352112283 15546 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it really matter???
< 1352112285 386509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 827
< 1352112288 47917 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1352112289 406902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rules must be enforced monqy
< 1352112291 628130 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: |
< 1352112292 208534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: btw what are we holding for
< 1352112304 117200 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck thoughts
< 1352112305 757028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/.in the context of Open University. //' quotes
< 1352112308 647421 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1352112322 163122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352112322 714590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
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< 1352112337 672295 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :131)  cpressey: I have actually done a waterfall-model project that almost worked    That's where you have a flexible kayak that bobs and weaves between the rocks as it plummets off the cliff
< 1352112370 885981 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :772)  Sgeo: I used to have strict requirements for when I said hi but then everyone started saying hi and it all got weird
< 1352112375 32451 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :205) * oerjan considered buying lutefisk, but apparently it cannot be prepared in microwave 
< 1352112377 297988 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :827) < oklopol> oh god another crazy haskell understander < oklopol> i have to leave
< 1352112379 734343 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :233)  who's walter bright and why is he so bright   locks: he's to D what I'm to ooc   locks: guilty
< 1352112415 824703 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :205...............................................
< 1352112444 792451 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't nddrylliog that ooc person?
< 1352112454 284122 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very out of character...
< 1352112456 907671 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's not-nddrylliog
< 1352112491 553264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that out of character
< 1352112504 662262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately half of our nddrylliog experiences have consisted of him snarking about ooc
< 1352112509 87283 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no elliott
< 1352112509 547818 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's
< 1352112514 493545 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :either an misinterpreation
< 1352112520 34230 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the worsT JOKE OF THE ENTURY
< 1352112524 397357 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo 'fess up
< 1352112529 688789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1352112536 313837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the joke
< 1352112538 572880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the letters ooc
< 1352112540 949492 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352112543 379165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1352112544 633962 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352112550 565461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i think you should leave for a while
< 1352112555 716039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and think about what you have done
< 1352112571 613570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe god will forgive you
< 1352112620 973647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: im just going to
< 1352112623 237407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do this some more
< 1352112624 721106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to break the silence
< 1352112625 610033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352112625 995856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352112626 739166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352112627 131154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352112627 436009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352112642 184775 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :10)  So what you're saying is that I shouldn't lick my iPhone but instead I should rub it on my eyes first and then lick my eyeballs?
< 1352112669 755132 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :74)  Where's the link to the log?   THERE'S NO LOG. YOUR REQUEST IS SUSPICIOUS AND HAS BEEN LOGGED.
< 1352112676 298618 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :670)  I guess only gay people fuck?
< 1352112680 987810 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :415)  Dear eHow: Please don't assume that my toilet works like that   Or, at least, my toilet looks different
< 1352112681 312853 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :608)  never ever do bacon floats or i will hunt you down and kill you augh my leg
< 1352112703 456435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an omen
< 1352112715 346117 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :608 is bad
< 1352112730 475022 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :415 isn't that great
< 1352112731 377915 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like 74
< 1352112732 109455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :415 is perfect obviously
< 1352112734 87518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1352112736 729721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really is Sgeo
< 1352112742 805469 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :415 is very good
< 1352112746 536254 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't ever possibly understand how perfect 415 is
< 1352112750 719131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it transcends knowledge
< 1352112752 29253 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :415 is also perfect
< 1352112759 871261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you mean to put another number there
< 1352112760 404461 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like a perfectly reasonable comment.
< 1352112775 484361 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also in the sense of "it's very good and also perfect"
< 1352112800 335281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway how about 74
< 1352112803 295435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very good
< 1352112809 238543 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont like it but taneb does
< 1352112827 875883 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the context to 10
< 1352112846 453480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :google doesnt know
< 1352112847 901608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a mystry
< 1352112859 35442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a bit traditional tho
< 1352112864 959014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure you can delete quote 10...
< 1352112867 327525 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly the best way to find out is to look through every comment /u/othermatt made
< 1352112869 211353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :670 isn't that good
< 1352112884 500287 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a compromise and we delete 608
< 1352112893 278694 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm almost certain it was in the context of it being a bad joke
< 1352112926 930256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i quite like 608 because it is tortured
< 1352112936 80293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tortured by bacon floats. tortured by leg
< 1352112946 597264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tortured, in the end, by life itself
< 1352112956 154990 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'
< 1352112960 680417 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other things I am almost certain of: The Sun is large relative to the Earth.
< 1352112979 765871 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't like the word certain bare.
< 1352112994 930499 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: )
< 1352113004 488941 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/8vg4u/bill_nye_explains_the_iphone_3gss_oleophobic/c0akggi?context=3
< 1352113005 590544 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found it
< 1352113037 531718 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretend I didn't
< 1352113041 695807 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was better as a mystery
< 1352113055 231177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops! Google Chrome could not find www.reddit.com
< 1352113057 707002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mystry preserved
< 1352113133 717534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 2
< 1352113137 305472 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2)  EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork"
< 1352113143 252166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad quote
< 1352113146 246471 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1
< 1352113146 373375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say: delete
< 1352113149 438555 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1)  I used computational linguistics to kill her.
< 1352113152 957845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 0
< 1352113156 478490 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :10)  So what you're saying is that I shouldn't lick my iPhone but instead I should rub it on my eyes first and then lick my eyeballs? \ 20) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE:  there is plenty of room to get head twice at once \ 30)  I am not on the moon. \ 40)  Seconds. 30 of them. Did I forget the word? \ 50)  Maternal instincts?    Don't you just leave
< 1352113233 378408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
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< 1352113234 727771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
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< 1352113256 746677 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :332)  AV is better than first-past-the-post, like every voting system apart from the Random Elephant Stomping method
< 1352113289 289188 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :540)  Yeah, Bashir, just sit there drinking, rather than diagnosing the carpenter mauled in that tragic bonobo accident.
< 1352113294 263463 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :739)  Two gigabytes is not really much to download.   THAT'S LIKE THREE EPISODES OF MY LITTLE PONY
< 1352113298 591895 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :692)  fizzie: is a 98% reduction in the waterpark intensity, right, so i'd imagine!
< 1352113299 192890 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :482)  You realise the micromanagement it took to make quintopia encrust my silver throne with emeralds rather than a jug?
< 1352113353 770631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: 739?
< 1352113359 328025 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fe08.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352113383 362242 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the joke that Gregor likes my little pony
< 1352113399 490489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: this is the #esoteric qdb. why are you assuming there's a *joke*
< 1352113407 404009 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do cartoons compress better than live action TV shows?
< 1352113416 22499 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 739
< 1352113426 339442 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  Two gigabytes is not really much to download.   THAT'S LIKE THREE EPISODES OF MY LITTLE PONY
< 1352113432 247057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: most animation is simple so.... yes
< 1352113444 322359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352113444 674207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352113444 930816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352113445 181854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352113445 413582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352113468 226911 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :267)  Why do you want to have sex in everything? I don't want.
< 1352113519 344396 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :55)  So... copyright doesn't really apply to God.
< 1352113519 696285 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :620)  "Facekicker" Hird is a member of the Hird family    Ngevd, world-renowned detective.
< 1352113523 596868 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :581)  lol :(
< 1352113528 968009 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :103)  alise: why internet is like wtf
< 1352113534 397885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: heeeelp they're repeating
< 1352113536 653587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`qc
< 1352113541 174269 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :869 quotes
< 1352113581 962603 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how many of them are worth keeping
< 1352113587 703224 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dare we raise the bar??????
< 1352113593 878693 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352113594 185657 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352113594 492546 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352113594 994182 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352113597 456837 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352113612 68364 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :476)  elliott: an old colonel lost, but a new brother gained. together they will ascend, each time you must be adventurin'.
< 1352113617 876043 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it depends on what kind of a bar we're talking about
< 1352113620 807324 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :591)  fizzie: it doesn't *use* raw cgi. to my deep fnord i'm only fnord of the job description. it's badly fnord also.
< 1352113622 706474 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a limbo we should be lowering it
< 1352113649 314532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: two fungot off the bat. how can you apply bars to fungot
< 1352113650 226752 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ( then again, maybe not
< 1352113652 440726 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :401)  as i was filled with zzo38 mystery at the moment i saw  quintopia: I am at Canada.
< 1352113652 844563 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :700)  Phantom_Hoover OF YOURE.   Oops.
< 1352113655 231346 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :217)  Getting bad programmers to like something is a failure.
< 1352113661 803894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style elliott
< 1352113662 110893 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found.
< 1352113665 60725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1352113665 723362 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i have the previous edition of eopl. it was written
< 1352113666 181132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1352113667 103600 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ( x:_;! x:(class)=f! x+1,! x+2 this must be a way around it? d: to change to
< 1352113667 408395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1352113668 175277 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do the cpsify fnord macros make more sense to at least the feeling is similar. the main problem is percolating in the background
< 1352113668 484927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1352113669 98752 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: r2q2 pasted " mccarthy email" at http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ fnord anyone help me?
< 1352113669 445465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1352113701 481607 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats 217
< 1352113712 7873 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help
< 1352113721 678113 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1352113722 381832 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1352113725 56282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i think that was me trying to convince Sgeo that trying to design his language so that it's popular rather than good as bad
< 1352113726 258742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1352113732 787987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is bad
< 1352113780 861987 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a worthy cause
< 1352113846 381782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 700
< 1352113848 382573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: bar raised
< 1352113851 150508 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  Phantom_Hoover OF YOURE.   Oops.
< 1352113870 951644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of liked 700 even
< 1352113872 254062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352113872 538465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
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< 1352113873 125074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352113890 552430 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :68)  SF.net porn :/    Oh yeah, baby, gimme that... bloated download page?
< 1352113931 85992 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :726)  oh jesus my mother is trying to ship bear grylls with miranda hart aerio;jghaeirugha
< 1352113931 168932 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :772)  I saw a Finnair plane today   In a smoking rubble?   Close.   Heathrow Airport
< 1352113940 287540 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :70)  I'm 100% of what sort of magic was involved in it
< 1352113940 442673 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :801)  they call finnish human-readable?
< 1352113966 476577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy gets the decision. nb 70 is traditional because anmaster tried to delete it like 100 times after it got added
< 1352113970 544336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(iirc)
< 1352113984 15396 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is AnMaster Vorpal?
< 1352113985 799207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352113992 21824 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure AnMaster is not markov
< 1352114002 393786 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot told me
< 1352114003 41728 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: the way you can
< 1352114054 317631 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmmmmmmmmmmm i dont like any of them but they're the sort of things you have to learn to tolerate in life
< 1352114060 758120 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On another note, Tumblr post genealogy is hard
< 1352114078 658086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i think 772 is quite good. maybe it's better if you know heathrow airport
< 1352114087 646495 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don;t know heathrow airport
< 1352114099 147864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's a really big really busy airport
< 1352114104 128235 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so to me it just falls into that sort of "joke template"
< 1352114110 164463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye
< 1352114116 467225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont like 68 but thats because ehird is in it
< 1352114120 83147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :801 is olsner so it gets a free pass
< 1352114121 955143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114122 615501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114122 889937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114123 101054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114123 290069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114124 288601 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no Wikipedia is doing a fundraiser again
< 1352114127 622753 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 68
< 1352114146 154640 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"agreement enough for me"
< 1352114146 518119 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :136)  So basically we're having an awful lot of very dangerous intercourse.    Involving open wounds.    I'm going to take a shower
< 1352114158 529723 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what;s up with 136
< 1352114159 643574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i dont remember 136
< 1352114161 888234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its bad!
< 1352114163 247858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets delte it
< 1352114165 528365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 136
< 1352114170 502658 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is alise
< 1352114172 924317 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I alise
< 1352114174 521555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: monqy
< 1352114181 429802 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: it's not me
< 1352114187 603345 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  So basically we're having an awful lot of very dangerous intercourse.    Involving open wounds.    I'm going to take a shower
< 1352114190 10828 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm alise
< 1352114190 701878 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you really never tell taneb all of your alts!!!
< 1352114193 245290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually chickenzilla
< 1352114193 292846 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, I'm atriq
< 1352114194 516363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 alise
< 1352114195 16509 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyvfr
< 1352114198 2241 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i thought everyone knew them"
< 1352114207 202505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: i admit it im secretly estoppel
< 1352114207 510296 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :6)  His body should be given to science.  He's alive :P  Even so.
< 1352114211 254459 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  SF.net porn :/    Oh yeah, baby, gimme that... bloated download page?
< 1352114214 422092 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :846)  Yes you are correct you must be mad or you wouldn't have come here. No escape either, sorry.
< 1352114214 612034 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :673)  Do you want me to live dangerously and just stick it in the bot without testing it?   fizzie: Yes.   There is pretty much no way it won't be amazing.
< 1352114214 659901 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :526)  Also Perl, but I don't really consider that a programming language so much as a really heavy implementatino of awk
< 1352114215 932845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what are your alts
< 1352114219 964263 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: monqy
< 1352114222 433810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :squarelos
< 1352114223 684124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else
< 1352114235 455526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote squarelos
< 1352114236 907494 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :squarelos is an anonymous collective
< 1352114240 577743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114240 910488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114241 177399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114241 430062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114241 648007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114252 873696 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1352114257 774907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Can you stop this botspam?
< 1352114264 762142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to have a productive discussion.
< 1352114291 31663 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :87)  think of all the starving kids in china who don't have rotting sea life to eat
< 1352114297 193905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you know anything about Idris?
< 1352114310 610725 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :181)  [...] I'm just widening the shaft to be 4x2 or so.
< 1352114312 652026 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :266)  okay see in my head it went, you send from your other number smth like "i'd certainly like to see you in those pink panties again" and she's like "WHAT?!? Sgeo took a pic?!?!?! that FUCKING PIG"
< 1352114313 682032 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :507)  Maybe if you try diplomacy.   Pointy steel diplomacy
< 1352114314 767861 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :23)  so i can only conclude that it is flawed, or the world is utterly bonkers
< 1352114338 239099 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats 181
< 1352114345 1313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the joke is "shaft"
< 1352114349 371682 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 181
< 1352114350 97341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's actually "minecraft"
< 1352114358 173413 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  [...] I'm just widening the shaft to be 4x2 or so.
< 1352114363 160982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114363 590768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114363 670536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114363 860958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114364 59703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114373 658839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly this is the greatest quote crusade the world has ever known
< 1352114378 109922 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :206)  Is there a name for something where I'm more attracted to someone if I know they've had a rough past?   Sgeo, "Little Shop of Horrors"
< 1352114379 369388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1352114379 492595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thewhitenoise says: I was just trying to figure out how to accurately convey a trollface in text
< 1352114380 652853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1352114380 807438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :islands says: spoiling the sanctity of christmashood innocence
< 1352114380 959752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1352114381 287000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia says: The principle of parametricity dictates that functions with similar types have similar properties.
< 1352114381 745238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1352114381 899045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1352114381 946251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfpl says: practical foundations of programming languages  http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~rwh/plbook/book.pdf
< 1352114382 239979 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ksf says: did you ever notice that OO-fix is actually the same order as default lojban?
< 1352114408 493382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say islands or wikipedia
< 1352114409 969513 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :95)   fungot!*@* added to ignore list.  AnMaster: i'd find that a bit annoying to wait for an ack.
< 1352114410 174929 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :174)  HOT SEXY SEX BITS
< 1352114419 347752 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :304)  I think she either likes me, is neutral towards me, or dislikes me
< 1352114422 498174 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :535)  The fact that the elves will be happy with this will hopefully be counteracted by the fact that I plan to drop them into the magma cistern.
< 1352114433 544663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: any input
< 1352114435 578253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of sgeo this time round
< 1352114461 845678 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sgeo quotes are all good. i dont know anything about little shop of horrors (uncultured??) but the sgeo makes up for it.
< 1352114500 129301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1352114500 474318 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Numbers.Primes says: The number 6 is a good value to pass to this function.
< 1352114501 162973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1352114501 509707 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :me says: trololololo
< 1352114501 625401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1352114501 965260 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sioraiocht says: was dons PhD in writing random haskell libraries?
< 1352114502 391049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1352114502 698949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrisdone says: booting up IE6 is like calling Igor from the basement, and listening to him hobbling up the stairs breathing heavily, somehow affecting a lisp even with heavy breathing
< 1352114502 745232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1352114503 39131 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cowardlydragon says: [from a reddit comment thread] Don't get me started on monad. What is that, a man with a single testicle?
< 1352114524 260591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@forget me trololololo
< 1352114524 568111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1352114608 314573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114608 403092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114608 674094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114608 970527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114609 146401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114622 146766 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :441)  God, I sure do hate Apple and their header files that only include the functions they're specified to.
< 1352114650 398632 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :335)  oerjan you're swedish, right?
< 1352114656 228798 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :502)  A possessed soapmaker: the most ridiculous thing?   OH YES YOU JUST HAD TO CLAIM THE WORKSHOP I SET ASIDE FOR STRAND EXTRACTION YOU BASTARD   I SWEAR IF ANY OF THAT ADAMANTINE GOES MISSING YOU'RE GETTING SOME HIGH-QUALITY ROOMS
< 1352114663 379624 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :656)  Linux is like the most quirky of all Forths, it has its own OS
< 1352114664 174385 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :861)  Confucius say too much. -- Recent Chinese Proverb
< 1352114699 620317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what do you think. i have one in mind but i'm curious if it's the one you have in mind
< 1352114707 758027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@brain
< 1352114708 53329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I think so Brain, but this time, you wear the tutu.
< 1352114730 992086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@brain
< 1352114731 139396 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think so, Brain, but pantyhose are so uncomfortable in the summertime.
< 1352114734 246072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1352114734 411531 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : says: I love: Warning: Due to a known bug, the default Linux document viewer evince prints N*N copies of a PDF file when N copies requested. As a workaround, use Adobe Reader acroread
< 1352114734 563905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1352114734 733933 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for printing multiple copies of PDF documents, or use the fact that every natural number is a sum of at most four squares.
< 1352114734 781886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1352114734 899024 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :metaperl says: I never thought anyone could be on IRC as much as you and look that good
< 1352114735 28127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1352114735 75859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :swix says: seriously though, this thing is too concise, it's scary, given what it does
< 1352114735 178960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1352114735 332595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :danderson says: the path to [Haskell] enlightenment is long, but the previous pilgrims have opened nice little pubs along the way, so it's a pleasant trip
< 1352114736 445680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :earthy says: the haskell standard prelude is ... a treasure trove. ;) but it does require breaking your mind and reassembling the pieces to unlock the trove
< 1352114752 988812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can you stop, thanks
< 1352114774 581614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you stop
< 1352114781 877206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once you pop, you can't stop.
< 1352114791 519122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Good point.
< 1352114795 431613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i rate the chances you'll actually say something relevant about esolangs if i stop 0, and one of these botspams is a channel tradition
< 1352114796 780259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1352114798 151365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114798 461192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114799 320533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114801 349370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114803 358970 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352114805 331287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 656
< 1352114816 529929 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :741)  has there been any work towards designing programming languages specifically for stoned people
< 1352114866 491998 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :841) * oerjan makes a brainfuck derivative for quoting xkcds
< 1352114869 157032 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :256)  Phantom_Hoover: I have just one tvtropes page open in elinks, but my tvtropes.txt "queue" has 38 tvtropes.org URLs waiting for processing.
< 1352114871 346777 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :778)  voice changer to remove ads from transit as well as intended
< 1352114871 506220 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :448)  99% OF USES OF STRDUP ARE ILLEGAL!
< 1352114873 397193 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  Linux is like the most quirky of all Forths, it has its own OS
< 1352114907 61439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what 448 is about
< 1352114909 21086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: do you remember
< 1352115014 819226 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1352115059 576199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 778
< 1352115067 220632 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  the killers dancer in my c***
< 1352115097 673694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The numbering strikes again.
< 1352115199 742273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1352115202 276581 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1352115203 257377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote voice changer to remove
< 1352115206 838312 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :777)  voice changer to remove ads from transit as well as intended
< 1352115209 993570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 777
< 1352115213 517025 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  voice changer to remove ads from transit as well as intended
< 1352115324 444655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1352115324 596012 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :VerityStob says: Lisp is still #1 for key algorithmic techniques such as recursion and condescension.
< 1352115324 643852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1352115324 929556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1352115324 976370 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lajla says: Also, I just don't like how - works in standard lisp.
< 1352115325 56809 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1352115325 104454 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hakko says: most programmers have a lot of religious issues about their work, yes.
< 1352115325 242750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote
< 1352115325 371311 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dLog says: Why would you punctuate a "sentence" that consists solely of lol.
< 1352115325 547184 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IceDane says: [on escaping an imperative mindset]:  i recommend heavy drinking  I've tried that. I just have fun and wake up and feel like shit the day after. but still think in loops.
< 1352115361 607134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@forget Lajla Also, I just don't like how - works in standard lisp.
< 1352115361 936021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1352115364 820850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i actually stopped for unrelated reasons but then you didn't stop
< 1352115366 367366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting!
< 1352115383 971362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you?
< 1352115393 287175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just switched back into this channel and saw that you were still going.
< 1352115429 138096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352115429 441877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352115429 746609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352115429 973330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352115430 167157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1352115431 7710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate to disappoint
< 1352115440 937240 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :530)  FFS, building a perpetual motion machine should not be this hard.
< 1352115447 100816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I KNEW IT
< 1352115468 475703 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :651)  elliott: well how will you represent "The dog jumped over the lazy dog" then?
< 1352115472 106121 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :724)   northern ireland is quite a way to drag someone from scotland <-- not really. I just checked in google earth   Vorpal: but dragging people across water's a bit tricky
< 1352115480 442203 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :564) [from 2009]  That's confusing. I have been indoctrinated to believe W|A, but on the other hand it's hard to unbelieve a book with such a ridiculously impressive name as "Handbook of physical testing of paper, Volume 2".
< 1352115481 912536 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :499)  I MIGHT BECOME GHOST
< 1352115539 803302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you ever read the handbook of physical testing of paper, volume 2
< 1352115679 402056 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m58qz9jVVa1qjb4aeo1_500.jpg
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< 1352115880 875954 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome mean
< 1352115884 539947 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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< 1352115913 599819 :mean!~this@AC82C783.ipt.aol.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : jaja
< 1352115921 384384 :mean!~this@AC82C783.ipt.aol.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can you make of this
< 1352115928 25695 :mean!~this@AC82C783.ipt.aol.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://goo.gl/4A8ql 
< 1352115928 792020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I only saw the Google book scan preview thing of it, I think.
< 1352115939 706625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can buy it for just $259.95 in Amazon, I see.
< 1352115943 797403 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mean, unobfuscated link?
< 1352115960 284552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or $213.85 for the Kindle Edition.
< 1352115984 281880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But why would you get a paperless edition of the Handbook of Physical Testing of Paper, Volume 2?)
< 1352116035 302644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are no customer reviews yet."
< 1352116055 656135 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you didn't you'd end up testing the paper it came on, finding that it's hopelessly sub-par, and destroying it in frustration
< 1352116094 91517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oops. :-(
< 1352116097 13085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/7364
< 1352116100 578991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Volume 1: Contains basic principles and the latest techniques in paper and paperboard testing. Fosters an understanding of theory and mechanical testing parameters to evaluate results and make improvements. Emphasizes new procedures utilizing advanced microscopy equipment.
< 1352116105 83489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Volume 2: Divided into five parts, it highlights assays for paper interactions with light, moisture, electricity, and heat. Topics expanded upon include laboratory testing procedures; microscopy analysis and paper surface properties; liquid and gas penetration; electrical and thermal interactions; and methods of surface characterization.
< 1352116120 709668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of those testing methods sound like they wouldn't leave much of the book.
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< 1352116442 695362 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how much voltage is required to get an arc through paper.
< 1352116504 313897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably depends: on the paper.
< 1352117388 436908 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1352117460 80756 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the Conservative party really wants me to vote for them
< 1352117497 700651 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a birthday card from Guy Opperman
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< 1352117660 666953 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, help
< 1352117665 477620 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tories are after me
< 1352117753 277607 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wear a whig
< 1352117800 814804 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll read the Tory Manifesto then ring this guy about everything I disagree with
< 1352117881 993612 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, the website is in ASPX
< 1352117897 703648 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to download a PDF of the manifesto
< 1352118188 149185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did Google change their map color scheme recently?
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< 1352119716 527962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks different. More terrainy.
< 1352119737 658469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least at some zoom levels.
< 1352119796 676905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We detected that your computer does not meet the system performance requirements for MapsGL." :(
< 1352119813 235323 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1352120498 240300 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott
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< 1352120981 472106 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1352123758 54199 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-16.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352123778 683318 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-16.elisa.ee QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1352124196 890084 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352124217 699945 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This looks interesting. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen
< 1352124219 969204 :ais523_!93bcc347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.71 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352124324 550878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
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< 1352124464 929071 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I just got Turkey's 2012 entry to the Eurovision Song Contest stuck in someone's head
< 1352124636 94363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352125331 13115 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-16.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352125625 224132 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: http://retroprogramming.com
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< 1352126628 730376 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1352126732 383182 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-16.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1352127229 847428 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9653497/British-have-invaded-nine-out-of-ten-countries-so-look-out-Luxembourg.html
< 1352127359 302086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1352127546 908081 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first F1 clip i liked ever. http://youtu.be/7Wr2C7Niak8
< 1352127570 750743 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
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< 1352127738 457520 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help
< 1352127747 626187 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just affected a serious Haskell package
< 1352127799 616618 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ekmett/semigroupoids/network
< 1352127816 304788 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :affected?
< 1352127820 786740 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1352127837 969254 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this a 'help'?
< 1352127848 542405 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm growin up
< 1352127851 313193 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g
< 1352127864 801371 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 18 and I've had a positive influence on the community
< 1352127875 323355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352127946 703979 :ais523_!93bcc347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, my computer's getting better at spontaneously reconnecting
< 1352127946 917417 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1352127974 633783 :ais523_!93bcc347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, the wireless routers here are being buggy in a different way from before
< 1352127984 824388 :ais523_!93bcc347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/me is continuing the traditional distinction between ais523 and ais253_)
< 1352127987 79584 :ais523_!93bcc347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ais523_
< 1352128009 683260 :ais523_!93bcc347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is, that ais523 is my laptop, and ais523_ a public terminal)
< 1352128202 279758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352128826 497019 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352129418 131353 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My friends are getting me to listen to Bastille
< 1352129438 679828 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The video to Flaws seems to be "Don't abandon your friends just because they cosplay Kurloz Makara from Homestuck"
< 1352129449 476756 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They're still probably okay people"
< 1352129776 76013 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be worried
< 1352129792 592883 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :both that they cosplay Kurloz specifically and that they got a costume together that quickly
< 1352129832 826160 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know at least two Kurloz cosplayers
< 1352129872 363255 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352129902 291043 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1352129934 725208 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/599070_10151304813401241_206750056_n.jpg
< 1352129939 811408 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance him
< 1352130000 551507 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, that's a kurloz cosplayer
< 1352130012 429329 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one on the left
< 1352130319 228347 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1352130396 162628 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is the one on the left actually meant to be
< 1352130508 918037 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea
< 1352130518 396240 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something anime I'd presume
< 1352130521 6138 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe comics
< 1352130524 14071 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe anything
< 1352130527 400104 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was taken at MCM
< 1352130532 472379 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In London
< 1352131186 505037 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352131422 266798 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hey, would you like to give me all of your Sgeo trading cards?
< 1352131433 861223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: give them to comex
< 1352131464 920806 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what?
< 1352131465 67087 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, give them to elliott
< 1352131486 684122 :ais523_!93bcc347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I'm willing to trade an ais523 card for a Sgeo card (this is a better deal for you than the other ones that have been suggested)
< 1352131506 92027 :ais523_!93bcc347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I'm suggesting it because it's also a better deal for me than the other ones that have been suggested)
< 1352131517 793555 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't even heard of cards until 11:03
< 1352131525 784071 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I have to do this now, or can it wait?
< 1352131532 265433 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of overslept and missed class
< 1352131533 571940 :ais523_!93bcc347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can wait
< 1352131534 327323 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm willing to trade THE COMPLETE SET of Taneb cards for an Sgeo card
< 1352131547 673674 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including the very obscure FlatFish card
< 1352131549 867713 :ais523_!93bcc347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.71 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: isn't that a complete null set?
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< 1352131674 102953 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1352131674 840122 :ais523_!93bcc347@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.71 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1352131821 706527 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just read the proposal in question
< 1352131854 151330 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ok, it is a contest not a rule change, didn't read the whole thread
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< 1352133051 166794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, can I rant: if you're given a mark scheme to mark by that contains the same marking point twice
< 1352133064 882161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the correct thing to do is to find the person who wrote it and tell them there's a mistake
< 1352133095 682230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the incorrect thing to do is to combine the max marks for that marking point into a higher max mark, mark to that max mark, and then split them back between the marking points
< 1352133130 878115 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lost me at 'marking point'
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< 1352133693 159429 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiple critical vulnerabilities in sophos products http://lists.grok.org.uk/pipermail/full-disclosure/2012-November/088813.html
< 1352133799 61325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sophos products should only ever be considered for low-value non-critical systems and never deployed on networks or environments where a complete compromise by adversaries would be inconvenient."
< 1352133799 819317 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352133803 40585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1352134145 2599 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352134193 875909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1352134213 525790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they disable the OS's ASLR implementation so they can use their own shitty ASLR implementation
< 1352134223 368846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which works by loading their code at a fixed offset...
< 1352134377 298655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :their antivirus scanner also introduces an XSS vulnerability to every website on the Internet
< 1352134563 108136 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1352134640 304197 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sophail.pdf"
< 1352134730 309863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it runs as root of course
< 1352134819 330031 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"// Incorrect attempt at checking for integer overflow, as the overflow occurs before the test."
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< 1352138125 283910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that problem was bizarre to debug
< 1352138130 977341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the solution is a bit hacky
< 1352138151 274988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem: sandboxed program is failing due to illegal call to munmap (this was quite hard to determine in the first place)
< 1352138158 618976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :solution: set MALLOC_MMAP_MAX_ to 0
< 1352138288 471752 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sandboxed?
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< 1352138476 718573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: it's prctl sandboxing
< 1352138490 715744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it's not allowed to make any syscalls but read, write, sigreturn, _exit (with the underscore)
< 1352138516 106529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and although munmap seems reasonably harmless as syscalls go, that one isn't allowed either, on the principle that the less allowed the better
< 1352138655 558437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352138671 747935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, silly things discovered reading mallopt's man page: glibc malloc internally uses quarter-of-a-pointer units for measurement in some cases
< 1352138802 914980 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming 32-bit, that's a byte
< 1352138890 697610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why was it hard to determine why it was failing?
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< 1352139616 733896 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 
< 1352139643 806433 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like projects? i have a small project for you
< 1352139662 99807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just watched a video where someone describes fpses as turing-complete simulations
< 1352139675 898766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What project?
< 1352139682 741780 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of statement requires proof!
< 1352139693 177382 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a random NPC generator for D&D
< 1352139695 998690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, eodermdrome interpreter
< 1352139713 581296 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an eodermdrome interpreter that runs a random npc generator
< 1352139738 527355 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that
< 1352139767 529739 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe munmap
< 1352139802 601570 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing complete simulations?
< 1352139845 137252 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you have quite the knack for stating the obvious
< 1352139871 560521 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, turing complete simulations of bullets
< 1352139876 12815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mario apparently counts
< 1352139881 242980 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a paper on arxiv some weeks or days or something ago where they spent proved that a problem's decidable. there are something like 100 different inputs.
< 1352139910 307558 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing complete simulations of bullets? mario has that?
< 1352139918 498266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, well, actually I was intending to make some random NPC generator for D&D too.
< 1352139927 488856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess
< 1352139945 390044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use FurryScript for some of these functions too.
< 1352139970 490105 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the bullet bills are actually the head and the world is a turing machine
< 1352139982 453555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Assuming 32-bit, that's a byte ← I think the whole point is that it adapts for bitwidth
< 1352140028 939867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : why was it hard to determine why it was failing? ← because any attempt to invoke a syscall causes a SIGKILL immediately before the syscall would happen, meaning it can't be observed by debuggers; the fact is logged but the log is only accessible by root, and I didn't have root on the machine
< 1352140045 99349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the eventual method of determining the problem was to copy everything onto a machine where I did have root, and run it there)
< 1352140065 707817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that sucks
< 1352140069 703762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't see the failure in strace
< 1352140102 200202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that situation i might resort to putting a breakpoint on every glibc syscall wrapper (assuming those are being used)
< 1352140208 623807 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you know how to implement Checkout with hardware description language?
< 1352140328 8953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It could be, have list of creature types with level adjustment, racial HD, ability score adjustment, and what further feature need randomly defined, when input range of level and further constraint and it will make it up at random. I could add feature in FurryScript for external constraint and this kind of things, might be useful for other purposes too.
< 1352140419 16241 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's this one that does character sheet with a little bit of fluff: http://chaoticshiny.com/full4e.php
< 1352140430 208724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use 3.5E
< 1352140431 843762 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what i want is a complete personality specification
< 1352140444 737461 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a similar one for 3.5 exists
< 1352140448 99568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know all of personality specification either, but you can try something.
< 1352140482 657405 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would want something that works for any edition, because it's...hmmm
< 1352140483 256985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : so you can't see the failure in strace ← yeah, that's the first thing I tried, but it doesn't work
< 1352140516 641921 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: For personality description, should work for anything, even if not D&D. You could try working something with FurryScript, perhaps, ask for help if you want.
< 1352140524 14915 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know a lot about personality description, sorry.
< 1352140602 85387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, constraint would be useful, for example if you want to constrain the Strength score to greater than ten, or if you want no goblins, or if you want to generate a pair with opposite alignments or no shared skills or whatever.
< 1352140621 380431 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want only goblins :P
< 1352140629 268111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you could have that too, then.
< 1352140630 81751 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a constraint system i'd like to see it
< 1352140644 927475 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"more loyal" or "more paranoid" or "more greedy"
< 1352140660 579604 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it tells how they react to certain thins
< 1352140665 811019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just giving examples; of course if you want only goblins you could do that too and probably simplify it greatly since you need not indicate ability score adjustment for all other kind of creatures too.
< 1352140722 231130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I am not so good at those things though. Constraint I could do, but not like "more loyal" and so on; I don't know a lot about the personality specification, as I have said.
< 1352140791 141792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Currently, FurryScript only supports constraint for no duplicates built-in, although others can be implemented using combination of other built-in commands; the BAD and HOR commands are meant for helping with this too.)
< 1352140797 170099 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like this would be perfect if it were fantasy oriented: http://selfpublishingteam.com/chargen/ya/ya_show.php?key=3i4qiugb3q&name=
< 1352140829 711170 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a fully specified document for furryscript
< 1352140850 353366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Only the document on Esolang wiki, and the source codes.
< 1352140866 871089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have specific questions though, and I find that something is missing in the document, we can add it.
< 1352140938 886522 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352141029 91496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That generator you linked to seems simple enough to do something like that with FurryScript.
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< 1352141157 294438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Did you read my latest comment here?    http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Checkout
< 1352141356 605589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you know better about personality specification then you could try.
< 1352141398 602161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I really don't have time to be writing extensive hardware programs nowadays
< 1352141403 111505 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I'm paid to do so
< 1352141502 438277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you don't do, if someone does, or you or someone write a few things, or to help with such things at least
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< 1352142048 237754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Another thing you could try is astrology. (The input doesn't matter, but you might enter their birth date/time/location if you know it; Astrolog does not have a function to select these things at random, but it does allow you to seek forward/backward at specified intervals.)
< 1352142127 895638 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a linux binary?
< 1352142172 146031 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of what? Astrolog? I believe so; if not, the source can be compiled into Linux. (If you mean FurryScript, you only need PHP)
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< 1352142267 556522 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found a unix x11 shell archive, which seems like an awful lot of effort to use
< 1352142327 412096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think a shell archive is a lot of effort to use?
< 1352142328 523814 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1352142416 80170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just make a directory and then execute the shell archive, and then compile it.
< 1352142418 522187 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatively speaking
< 1352142424 801613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully that should work.
< 1352142612 669102 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is a running Erlang system, with processes that store state and receive messages asking them to mutate, different from a typical OO system with amutable objects?
< 1352142623 16990 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mutable objects
< 1352142644 374760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, does it work? Have you tried that? Have you tried FurryScript too? Have you tried anything else?
< 1352142650 101342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc the earliest conceptions of OOP were based heavily on message passing
< 1352142695 182437 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1352142800 964193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame C++ for moving away from that
< 1352142824 279868 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :smalltalk was, I think the things before it weren't so much
< 1352142859 646903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C++ and Java and such, you have have public data fields, which aren't like message passing
< 1352142866 904147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you avoid those (with good reason) then it is still pretty similar
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< 1352143016 796188 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sad
< 1352143020 410008 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1352143051 853056 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, :(
< 1352143052 967488 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: he is the creator of this bot. it needs to be totally disconnected if all connected components of x are points. a closed set of evidence to draw from the srfis, but it
< 1352143062 195365 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why sad atriq?
< 1352143068 350119 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1352143068 980544 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you need broadband to get a
< 1352143088 299186 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, because I've annoyed someone to the point where they've completely abandoned me
< 1352143094 149013 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm very sorry and don't know how to fix
< 1352143094 446482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1352143105 471440 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: time machine
< 1352143126 866341 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I would fix so many things if I had a time machine
< 1352143218 328005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TWIST: atriq = #haskell, someone = kmc
< 1352143235 973180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1352143237 248590 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352143241 233417 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I'm sorry
< 1352143243 257002 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please come back
< 1352143268 862394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a person who is an IRC channel?!?
< 1352143272 327197 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-158.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1352143342 663180 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1352143352 392102 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am literally the incarnation of #haskell
< 1352143368 175134 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why I'm not that much good at Haskell, but it's pretty much the only language I use
< 1352143374 632737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1352143374 941343 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1352143629 343203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1352143770 952799 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and why I am really weird but also oddly popular?
< 1352143791 683773 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This explains a lot
< 1352143798 234354 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, help I'm an IRC channel
< 1352143820 309401 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1352143823 770782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Phantom__Hoover #esoteric?
< 1352143842 197924 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should be friends
< 1352144077 88158 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you sure kmc is someone?
< 1352144745 749434 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF there exists in the US a third-party that supports the Electoral College
< 1352144754 162064 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dvice.com/archives/2012/10/ethiopian-kids.php
< 1352144839 78188 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, apologizing is generally a good idea
< 1352144844 713154 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As is correct spelling
< 1352144915 792474 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact
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< 1352146851 490496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I would like to know what you would like see if anything I suggested works for you; if not, tell me what is missing? I don't know enough about personality specification to do entirely by myself so I need your help too, please.
< 1352147169 688531 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1352148122 675348 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i read the furryscript spec but its not readily obvious how one should use it
< 1352148130 709793 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: link a long example?
< 1352148242 153353 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: http://zzo38computer.org/furry/scripts/ Look in this directory for some examples.
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< 1352148392 338817 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tv_plot.txt" is a simple example. "furrygenerator_7thsanc.txt" is a more complicated example.
< 1352148495 327671 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifepath.txt seems rather like a character generator. i think it could be adapted.
< 1352148512 738955 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't quite understand what every part of the file is doing but i could study it.
< 1352148526 268312 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can make something based on that one. If there is some part you do not understand, you can ask about it specifically.
< 1352148602 515597 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :time. i need time to figure it out.
< 1352148741 884489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. But you can still ask if you have mroe questions/comments/suggestions/complaints, on the IRC or on the wiki.
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< 1352154607 180783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added a dice command in FurryScript.
< 1352154673 358616 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vg rira unf n gevooyr. :-D “Dodds Serta Trek” http://youtu.be/cip0TY91sjI
< 1352154800 595875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They now accept things such as <4d6dl> DIC meaning four six-sided dice, and drop the lowest one, like used to generate random ability scores.
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< 1352155343 86511 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how to take an arbitrary discrete probability distribution and come up with a dice expression for it
< 1352155555 633612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://phpjs.org/ just what i always wanted
< 1352155575 816333 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can do that with solomonoff's that would be a hell of a thing
< 1352155637 750888 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, php has bc in it.  why?
< 1352155673 72019 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not
< 1352155692 892167 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.  I supose that explains that "get gz header and strip html out of it" function too.
< 1352155816 428680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP has a lot of things in it
< 1352155845 194360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't know how to take an arbitrary discrete probability distribution and come up with a dice expression for it. However, FurryScript can work without dice expressions, too.
< 1352155856 694181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What example of some probability distribution do you mean?
< 1352155868 104982 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :about probability distributions, there was an interesting discussion in #haskell-blah the other day about coin flips and huffman trees
< 1352155945 328757 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I dunno how that relates to dice expressions since I don't know what those are
< 1352155980 728635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like 4d6 if you want four six-sided dice added together.
< 1352156065 91923 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect dice might be like arithmetic/range coding
< 1352156247 654570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose you can Huffman code the probabilities of different dice totals, although I am unsure why such a things would be useful.
< 1352156371 703381 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the point was to get specific probability distributions .. and huffman goes nicely with coin flips because it's binary
< 1352156416 971405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: If you get working FurryScript program for what you are making, I would request (but not require) that you send me the file I could include it in the archive of available scripts of FurryScript.
< 1352156605 997314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Do you mean you want to toss a coin to generate the data and then uncompress it by Huffman?
< 1352156616 298258 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but huffman only works for probabilities that are all multiples of 2^-n)
< 1352156642 269338 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it's not that I *want* to, just that you can
< 1352156673 695086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you could use a generalize kind of Huffman which uses other base, than base 2 only. Possibly even change base at different points.
< 1352156698 541165 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think that gives you something similar to range encoding
< 1352156727 556506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you allow it to be unlimited, you could use coin toss for 2/3 probability.
< 1352156743 584228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One way to do this is the way the DIGGER card works in Pokemon card.
< 1352156780 685655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting with you, you and opponent take turns toss a coin, until one player gets tails. Whoever gets tail add 1 damage to their own active Pokemon card.
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< 1352156894 508873 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have calculated the probability to hit your own card 2/3
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< 1352157042 247268 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, *you* start tossing? then that makes sense
< 1352157079 249541 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit evil for all the players who wouldn't realize that the card is more likely to hurt yourself than your opponent
< 1352157145 745731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in some cases the chance that it will hit opponent is useful, and in some cases it is more useful to make it to hit yourself anyways.
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< 1352157684 51737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, some cards have a RAGE attack which does damage according to the amount of your own damage, so in case it does one less damage than needed to knock out opponent's card, then if you use DIGGER card it is beneficial regardless of the result of coin toss.
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< 1352159528 384041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott `o` may not be associative, but normal Haskell (.) doesn't have an identity.
< 1352159528 611375 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1352161617 296063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One command I want to add in FurryScript is something to generate skill ranks for D&D3.5e or Icosahedral RPG, including feature such as cross-class skills, different classes to depend on, maximum settings, and so on, but I am unsure how I should implement it in what I have now.
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< 1352163157 633103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta decide who to vote for
< 1352163167 340413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :democratic party or green rainbow party
< 1352163244 20684 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :green rainbow
< 1352163251 146359 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rainbow made of green
< 1352163275 578787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352163280 712975 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you idiots actually do that for saint patricks day though
< 1352163289 426160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352163313 681890 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D http://www.machinadynamica.com/machina31.htm
< 1352163316 992543 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you vote for just the green party or rainbow party instead of both?
< 1352163325 52060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, it is the same party
< 1352163340 700313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the problem with political parties.
< 1352163353 556179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: which party are you going to crash
< 1352163361 573687 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 incisively cuts to the heart of american democracy
< 1352163455 407096 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fe08.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd|outoford
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< 1352166017 446272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you see http://ugcs.net/~arapp/timelines/sandy/
< 1352166065 934228 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it was in #cslounge-trains.
< 1352166153 294291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352166177 161730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should join! The train bots are gone.
< 1352166445 622729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug
< 1352167780 955949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can add cutting-edge design wizardry to your web pages for less than the price of a large pizza without deciphering programmers
< 1352167830 720178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I "follow" horse_ebooks?
< 1352168250 28745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352168252 84486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the gates of hell
< 1352168310 698744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there is some kind of twitter SEO where you tweet your band's music video at horse ebooks
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< 1352170092 292996 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352171244 422212 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many “shut up and take my money” projects. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1461411552/elite-dangerous http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cig/star-citizen
< 1352171881 803266 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352172686 764294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cinnabon minibon rolls at burger king!
< 1352172884 230228 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not in this country :(
< 1352172886 917192 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I would go right now
< 1352173094 392373 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERNET
< 1352173109 677134 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIV'
< 1352173133 800137 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ＩＮＴＥＲＮＥＴ
< 1352173143 436554 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :INNTA-NE'TO
< 1352173149 527481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQmK1CnwOUI
< 1352173223 544048 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to watch RvB season finale
< 1352173538 550986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most unrealistic thing about television is that people wear clothes while they sleep
< 1352173571 738284 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does
< 1352173586 523517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wear clothes while sleep, but it is pyjamas rather than normal clothing
< 1352173627 528152 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, sometimes it is other clothing. And sometimes I have none and wear nothing, but this is rarely)
< 1352173662 183720 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :xpost from ##nomic:
< 1352173664 488420 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would anyone be interested in a a channel to discuss parliamentary sorts of goings-on?
< 1352173667 649618 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :parliamentary procedure, interesting things happening in legislatures around the world, etc.
< 1352173779 880599 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice ad, now with CP.
< 1352173863 59030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can APL programs be compiled to make computer hardware?
< 1352176100 564715 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you should join ##parliament
< 1352176316 610702 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: :(
< 1352176318 375604 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1352176320 502963 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: :(
< 1352176325 818500 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1352176332 107498 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just not a big parliament guy
< 1352176426 833571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Big parliament is a type of big government, right?
< 1352176438 118160 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352176445 287453 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not big enough for me
< 1352176448 27817 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want HUGE government
< 1352176473 297876 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1352176482 265654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? As a 1%er?
< 1352176492 595676 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352176505 828324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read somewhere that the 1% didn't like big government.
< 1352176513 771401 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bigger the government, the more power it has, and I exist to corrupt it
< 1352176517 721303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I assumed small rather than huge.
< 1352176520 21701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough.
< 1352176658 240004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do two hafnium atoms make one holmium atom?
< 1352176723 324146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hafnium atom seems to be more than one holmium atom already
< 1352176740 165994 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/12i0t0/accepting_criticism_on_the_internet/
< 1352176755 914861 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Link is not funny. And the person who posted that image is Ryan)
< 1352176773 671152 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's funny that he actually thinks that that makes him look like anything other than an idiot.
< 1352176924 631328 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you interested in parliaments at all?
< 1352176984 191097 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhat
< 1352177036 733667 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elixir doesn't have quote. It has quasiquote which it calls quote
< 1352177040 614306 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: join ##parliament
< 1352177048 898488 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, can't
< 1352177052 415663 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1352177101 652438 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352177125 263313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would feel like a sucker voting third party, even though my vote arguably has more impact that way
< 1352177258 810302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you feel like a sucker voting not-third party?
< 1352177406 878408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1352179232 636148 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vote Darth Nader
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< 1352181756 945188 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning on writing Cthulhu in
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< 1352182519 131241 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: more impact? would voting first or second party give it negative impact, because i'm pretty sure voting third party gives it close to zero impact...
< 1352182550 628381 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it shows in the post-election tally that that platform has more supporters, which sends a signal that will be promptly forgotten
< 1352182557 265553 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't change the government
< 1352182675 335962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't Mickey Mouse once win the United States election, but since they are not eligible they had to select the second place?
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< 1352182910 736355 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i've never heard that, though mickey is a frequently used protest vote
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< 1352185890 911367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason the traditional protest vote in Finland is Donald Duck, not Mickey Mouse.
< 1352185899 418691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least so I believe.
< 1352185973 369996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh.
< 1352185981 821432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'd better pick one.
< 1352186092 564615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a paper from one vote-counter tabulating the discarded votes. Donald Duck is a clear winner with 24 votes; all the rest have <= 2. (Well, discounting a crude drawing of a vagina, which is not quite a person.)
< 1352186120 548793 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many did the crude drawing of a vagina garner?
< 1352186127 295915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seven.
< 1352186137 63021 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang.
< 1352186166 493681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Batman, The Phantom, Kekkonen and Halonen all got two.
< 1352186185 105574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The numbers are just what this one counter saw, not the totals across the whole election.)
< 1352186203 182361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only one for Mickey Mouse.
< 1352186560 480439 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I suddenly missing MSN Explorer?
< 1352186582 994799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you check /opt?
< 1352186583 779949 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it still exists. It is still actively developed.
< 1352186816 419263 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is intended to be used with a paid subscription
< 1352186821 423706 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's relatively new, I think
< 1352186866 607867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Kekkonen and Halonen aren't *quite* in the same category as Donald Duck and Batman, are they?
< 1352187776 700610 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are actually just the finnish names of donald duck and batman
< 1352187854 285669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't fool me, olsner!
< 1352187870 781822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take your foolingisms elsewhere.
< 1352188262 778255 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
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< 1352190465 956722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know, Kekkonen kind of has a supereroish (or at least super-somethingish) status around here, I think.
< 1352190472 682569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halonen maybe not so.
< 1352190582 238510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Halonen was seen as more of a supervillain.
< 1352190586 99305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's just in Estonia.
< 1352190621 669659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly so; I don't think there are any terribly high emotions regarding her in Finland.
< 1352190623 113859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2adV6PkgFNA )
< 1352190663 170685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit miffed that they no longer give candy or something after medical exams; I think they used to do that when one was younger. Five tubes of blood, and nothing to show for it. Well, except the blood, of course.
< 1352190688 793117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blood is pretty similar to candy.
< 1352190780 72187 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's my standad breakfalunch time, but I have to wait here for that one quick-check sample results. (The cafeterias open at 10:30am, and there's no queues; at 11am it's all full already.)
< 1352191009 220212 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352191577 818753 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if you donate blood you get a sandwich
< 1352191638 562218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A blood sandwich?
< 1352191659 36213 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, a sandwich
< 1352191769 80493 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is .m Objective-C?
< 1352192845 699846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's objc, but also MATLAB.
< 1352192938 424705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think the sample tubes has less volume than what they take when donating, which might explain the lack of rewards.
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< 1352214879 231174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: there's no chance my state will cast the decisive electoral vote
< 1352214953 891452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is all that matters as far as who actually becomes president
< 1352215038 989286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a matter of contributing to the popular vote tally for a main-party vs. third-party candidate
< 1352215046 667015 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of which are about "sending signals" only
< 1352215091 97208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's also true that one vote is a tiny signal but that's true no matter where you live
< 1352215099 766245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i lived in florida or ohio i would not be considering voting third-party
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< 1352218099 517654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need to count the main features of free arcade games online, allow me to share few mentioned. One cannot think the tremendous development of internet and exactly how it's accountable for making things accessible and work simpler and much easier. When internet and entertainment can be manufactured, it's now cheaper. The days of children flocking the amusement centers for playing games have remaining.
< 1352218156 719509 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1352218167 356662 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly a MarioLang like language with networking
< 1352218180 284309 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which reminds me
< 1352218188 383165 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to update Phantom_Hoover's Tumblr
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< 1352218935 384527 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Augh, why do I read this webcomic
< 1352219969 316430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352220091 947411 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi
< 1352220135 24458 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is nooodl_ new?
< 1352220142 788106 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah kinda
< 1352220148 940496 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1352220155 313500 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm atriq, Taneb, and Ngevd
< 1352220160 828332 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know elliott, monqy, and zzo38, though. also, i recognize some folks from #haskell
< 1352220177 268720 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pretty much live here, although I'm sometimes in #haskell
< 1352220182 668652 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like now
< 1352220259 806058 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: buying a screen
< 1352220282 431656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  Can you vote for just the green party or rainbow party instead of both?   nope, it is the same party   That is the problem with political parties.
< 1352220293 725763 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :864)  Can you vote for just the green party or rainbow party instead of both?   nope, it is the same party   That is the problem with political parties.
< 1352220401 825007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:18:30:  i think there is some kind of twitter SEO where you tweet your band's music video at horse ebooks
< 1352220406 747468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: capturing the elusive horse_ebooks demographic
< 1352220520 254444 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good zzo38 quote
< 1352220527 716276 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the context as good
< 1352220573 544213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the context
< 1352220672 946529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well modulo
< 1352220673 282428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:52:37:  gotta decide who to vote for
< 1352220673 407181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:52:47:  democratic party or green rainbow party
< 1352220690 761110 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmhmm
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< 1352221305 374839 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION approves of rainbows
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< 1352224076 148246 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who here is currently attending a university, excluding myself and fızzie
< 1352224093 645903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover I think???
< 1352224105 64097 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352224107 214713 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also coppro
< 1352224112 808697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Deewiant.
< 1352224116 654645 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably most of the rest
< 1352224120 859087 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I excluded myself
< 1352224144 403113 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq is isn't he
< 1352224144 889053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but that's unfair
< 1352224145 860198 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any such person have free access to the following article: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0196677482900165
< 1352224154 390450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am like 80% sure atriq is not in university
< 1352224165 965994 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Via the university (or its library, typically)
< 1352224166 13928 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, no, he's too immature
< 1352224172 902955 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1352224179 484423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that is the scienciest title
< 1352224184 481541 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they go to university a year later in england afaiu)
< 1352224202 461525 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as you u?
< 1352224211 382190 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :understand
< 1352224227 685473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well there's a big banner in the corner saying 'thelibrary' and 'Warwick' so i'm guessing yes
< 1352224230 360878 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My university has access to Journal of Algorithms but only 1995 vol 18 – 2009 vol 64... so that 1982 vol 3 is somewhat out
< 1352224249 788915 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what, do you want me to email it or something
< 1352224259 344748 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would work, yes
< 1352224276 153103 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or put it on the pirate bay for all I care, whatever
< 1352224302 706523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: IMO link it in here and mention your real name
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< 1352224341 530561 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too late
< 1352224348 363424 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CIA got to him
< 1352224350 171993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352224462 850646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, where email
< 1352224480 81207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I want it too!
< 1352224489 184893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my email is copyright@fbi.gov.uk.info
< 1352224493 804121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.museum
< 1352224504 266399 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you got that professional-sounding email address you wanted
< 1352224509 761375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :.aero
< 1352224526 898885 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Your complimentary one-time e-mail address is: ph@deewiant.iki.fi
< 1352224542 540994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You forgot .fbi.gov
< 1352224550 17334 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And .museum and .aero?
< 1352224556 882273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes
< 1352224558 262099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy mistake to make
< 1352224652 65601 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fbi.gov.uk
< 1352224659 578555 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interessting
< 1352224660 932720 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about .xxx
< 1352224662 497027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it's the UK branch of the fbi
< 1352224685 480049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that's only for xtremely xcellent xtraneous email
< 1352224686 975613 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean the uk are federated to the us?
< 1352224709 328657 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wouldn't .post make the most sense for e-mail
< 1352224715 628889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: what does the fucking bureau of investigation have to do with federation
< 1352224751 165103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: wow, a gtld so stupid not even I knew it existed
< 1352224800 692233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, have you received my hot warez
< 1352224835 523039 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Seems legit, indeed
< 1352224842 117389 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks
< 1352224877 257493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352224877 887387 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your complimentary one-time e-mail address is now no longer in service
< 1352224892 725393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i want to email you
< 1352224896 707607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: but I just signed it up for spam!!
< 1352224980 210484 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A non-one-time e-mail address of mine can be found on my web site at iki.fi/deewiant
< 1352225001 173460 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer it if you did not sign that one up for spam
< 1352225040 454316 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1352225097 64311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Can I have an elliott@deewiant.iki.fi? just in case I ever need to email you for anything
< 1352225125 828038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: ncie new glob release
< 1352225128 396750 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've already emailed me
< 1352225130 47844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you fix all the things I was going to
< 1352225130 759498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nice
< 1352225135 116024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have I
< 1352225136 598304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1352225137 95304 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just updated the dependencies
< 1352225167 241042 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because PVP and Cabal and upper bounds and therefore Hackage is terrible etc
< 1352225170 960967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I have already sent Deewiant spam
< 1352225179 936550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this puzzles me
< 1352226130 566457 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please allow me to take one second of your time to exercise my self-centredness
< 1352226140 129219 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE A DRIVING LICENSE
< 1352226204 605641 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352226235 752924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352226290 774060 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, in how many hours will you have the results of your election?
< 1352226416 391482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is your
< 1352226416 796949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we already have the results because the Prophet Nate Silver has spoken
< 1352226435 902402 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet!
< 1352226438 138375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the result is that 90.9% of Obama and 9.1% of Romney will jointly become president
< 1352226456 304940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obama with romney hair, most likely
< 1352226456 460515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds more entertaining than an obama presidency tbh
< 1352226457 221591 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :will they combine names like Goku and Vegeta?
< 1352226537 566087 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352226552 99742 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will become robama
< 1352226676 329777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1352227153 340549 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For anyone interested in parliamentary things, ##parliament
< 1352227159 206277 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(procedure, events in legislatures, etc.)
< 1352227172 105137 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need another small, barely populated channel
< 1352227422 426025 :soundnfury!~edward@80.7.98.161 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352227550 37341 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which parliament would that be
< 1352227742 327182 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1352227750 341098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352227802 630673 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1352227827 606660 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352228137 678193 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352228249 389956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1352228400 688955 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1352229070 621807 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1352229089 614225 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352229876 539527 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352230027 94393 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1352230755 220582 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1352230834 383454 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352231930 328327 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352232219 878238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the MySQL datetime column type has only second resolution
< 1352232223 787567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly the PHP of databases
< 1352232297 3187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352232310 493305 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, ouch
< 1352232374 773272 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think MySQL often gets used in combo with PHP
< 1352232421 486636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are a master of stating obvious but irrelevant facts
< 1352232500 330995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's Vorpal, kmc
< 1352232530 620045 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there can be more than one master of stating the obvious
< 1352232564 648973 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a lolmysql reddit too
< 1352232604 158505 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, not by that name
< 1352232853 723232 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352232916 649397 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argo looks like it's gonna be a decent movie
< 1352232957 202511 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it was pretty nice
< 1352232979 454893 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You are a master of stating that I am a master of stating the obvious
< 1352232984 614369 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my friends wasn't paying attention to the trailer and thought it was going to be an amazing sci-fi movie
< 1352233023 626545 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1352233095 698851 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Bride of Frankenstein was a hilarious movie
< 1352233459 237053 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaargh Youtube is hating me
< 1352233546 634155 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, in what way?
< 1352233566 465066 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of videos (almost, but not, all) won't load
< 1352233569 825557 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, just a black box
< 1352233570 921598 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352233575 4897 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is in Chromium
< 1352233579 525944 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to work fine in Firefox
< 1352233595 843703 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not the old classic: "pretend you aren't subscribed" which seems to happen about every other month
< 1352233598 761963 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :for about a week
< 1352233621 580416 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not signed in on Firefox
< 1352233622 506065 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1352233658 52939 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1352233986 843447 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352233987 42082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1352233989 806103 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1352234112 950976 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: is flash disabled and have you joined the HTML5 trial or whatever it's called?
< 1352234139 817838 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: yeah, HTML5 trial stopped working for me recently
< 1352234144 941132 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case it'd bail out on videos with ads in them, IIRC
< 1352234151 194734 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try disabling the HTML5 Trial
< 1352234156 977711 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i opted back out those videos worked in frash prugin
< 1352234174 484257 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The HTML5 player works for me
< 1352234183 384606 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, kmc, that worked
< 1352234184 955483 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1352234195 756332 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's opt-in, do you opt out when you stop opting in? or do you just unopt in?
< 1352234342 468219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ni tpo
< 1352234362 600290 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 opt in
< 1352234364 799692 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bcg va
< 1352235000 703441 :OTNexus!OTNexus@c-76-121-167-17.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352235014 76926 :OTNexus!OTNexus@c-76-121-167-17.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here?
< 1352235019 790938 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352235054 71727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Manyone here.
< 1352235082 881178 :OTNexus!OTNexus@c-76-121-167-17.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im just wondering if anyone has any time to check out my new forum software/site, ( just launched 2 days ago :P)
< 1352235177 680546 :soundnfury!~edward@80.7.98.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`Welcome
< 1352235180 664916 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: Welcome: not found
< 1352235192 661748 :soundnfury!~edward@80.7.98.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn.  How does this bot work again, guys?
< 1352235262 789207 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome
< 1352235263 571336 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? how bot works plox?
< 1352235265 961090 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1352235287 18183 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :how bot works plox?? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1352235290 85908 :soundnfury!~edward@80.7.98.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so it was just a case issue
< 1352235353 339037 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome should be just about case insensitive nowadays
< 1352235362 932937 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE
< 1352235366 821567 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.)
< 1352235386 22798 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME
< 1352235389 35030 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.)
< 1352235396 939775 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, has Obama been reelected yet?
< 1352235431 877042 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki is not up to date with the url spelling shenanigans though, so the link only works from `welcome
< 1352235468 15087 :soundnfury!~edward@80.7.98.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, I thought it was, which was why I expected `Welcome to work too
< 1352235497 496316 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the message has to match the case of the command, so it becomes a wee bit tricky
< 1352235526 555184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking the 128 case variants should be symlinks to a single welcomation script.
< 1352235574 207682 :soundnfury!~edward@80.7.98.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, but then you have to grovel argv[0], and that's just crufty
< 1352235595 136814 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be less work than filling in the remaining 4 case variants manually
< 1352235620 420621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are already 124 of them done, then? 
< 1352235631 875013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :News to me.
< 1352235632 807554 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately
< 1352235653 926215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ though.
< 1352235686 894417 :soundnfury!~edward@80.7.98.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, wide characters.  I /still/ haven't taught quIRC about those
< 1352235698 738693 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so it should take the command text and figure out a similar mapping for all alphabetic characters
< 1352235719 466811 :soundnfury!~edward@80.7.98.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, obviously it knows about UTF-8, but I'm talking about the ones that take two columns of terminal)
< 1352235788 464219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"w31c0m3" is missing too.
< 1352236038 886706 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you add commands?
< 1352236074 289535 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"`Welcome" ought to print out the message in titular case
< 1352236074 748176 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, it's just a Linux system
< 1352236081 391111 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /bin
< 1352236084 391557 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash \ bunzip2 \ bzcat \ bzcmp \ bzdiff \ bzegrep \ bzexe \ bzfgrep \ bzgrep \ bzip2 \ bzip2recover \ bzless \ bzmore \ cat \ chgrp \ chmod \ chown \ cp \ cpio \ dash \ date \ dd \ df \ dir \ dmesg \ dnsdomainname \ domainname \ echo \ ed \ egrep \ false \ fgrep \ grep \ gunzip \ gzexe \ gzip \ hostname \ ip \ kill \ less \ lessecho \ lessfile \ lesskey \ lesspipe \ ln \ login \ ls \ lsmod \ mkdir \ mknod \ mktemp
< 1352236099 791152 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /bin/welcome
< 1352236102 840671 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: /bin/welcome: No such file or directory
< 1352236106 722016 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1352236109 599911 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs
< 1352236109 647520 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that, but that still doesn't tell me how to add additional commands
< 1352236111 44152 :OTNexus!OTNexus@c-76-121-167-17.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1352236119 991128 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea, beyond that
< 1352236138 920101 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo "echo hello" >bin/firefly-test  # I doubt this'll work
< 1352236141 801939 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"echo hello" >bin/firefly-test  # I doubt this'll work
< 1352236154 197985 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :run ed, obviously
< 1352236178 964129 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: halp
< 1352236184 742857 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`halp
< 1352236185 212469 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/hi
< 1352236187 375941 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: halp: not found
< 1352236208 259449 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/hi: No such file or directory
< 1352236212 528155 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "echo hi" >bin/hi
< 1352236214 527826 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi
< 1352236216 650647 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1352236228 591862 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/hi
< 1352236232 2758 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo hi
< 1352236235 364204 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :A slight improvement; now I know about `run
< 1352236236 113774 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: hi: not found
< 1352236291 42954 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/hi
< 1352236293 385625 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi
< 1352236293 955355 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1352236296 608254 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/hi: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/hi: cannot execute: Permission denied
< 1352236311 607332 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, I'm missing something
< 1352236337 150553 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: replace our spam with other spam please
< 1352236337 602301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you're not.
< 1352236337 723111 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it'd stop at 231 or thereabouts?
< 1352236339 179241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi
< 1352236342 301169 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352236364 719821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except some serialization of requests, arguably.
< 1352236384 60997 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it doesn't serialize requests?
< 1352236405 563881 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a good thing, although somewhat surprising
< 1352236406 211589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I know of. They all happen in separate checkouts, too.
< 1352236738 415807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You at least are fully single-tasking, right? 
< 1352236739 70406 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think catfive said an important thing i noticed
< 1352236765 766158 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ya think?
< 1352236766 907059 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: is smerdyakov unbanned? i just hacked in :p /sarcasm on irc when they leave/ sleep/ work rather than shut down their clients' local variables nor the clients to interfere with the rest
< 1352237465 786204 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352237474 774372 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey elliott remember david braben
< 1352237818 340415 :soundnfury!~edward@80.7.98.161 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which welcome
< 1352237821 294781 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/welcome
< 1352238206 498259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Relive the biggest moments in the 2012 campaign in just two minutes."
< 1352238214 969534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CNN's attitude towards this election is like it's a reality TV show that's ending
< 1352238218 40693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems pretty fitting
< 1352238265 182302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"More people on Facebook are talking about Obama today than Romney."
< 1352238287 639303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You want close? We've got close!"
< 1352238288 842337 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only we had some more scientific means to figure out their relative popularity
< 1352238294 415083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are all actual cnn.com headlines atm
< 1352238479 185426 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey kmc who's winning
< 1352238832 898099 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1352238872 753174 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a brainfuck-derivative where +-.,[] are identical to brainfuck but > and < mean "move the pointer by n cells, where n is the value of the current cell"
< 1352238879 633395 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be turing-complete?
< 1352238895 601448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is 'yes'
< 1352238915 993535 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is "oh come on you just made that so it's a bitch to prove tc"
< 1352238923 60426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't sound that hard
< 1352238996 9126 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well problem is you can't really move to another given cell without destroying the information in the present cell
< 1352239020 518355 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can if you account for the value of the current cell adequately
< 1352239034 366642 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is finicky and annoying
< 1352239055 9356 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, you'd at least need the values in cells to be unbounded
< 1352239065 235264 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, never mind
< 1352239090 470245 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, assuming the values are bounded - maybe even single bits
< 1352239183 206227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that, and you can also interleave the "real" tape with cells you just use for jumping
< 1352239189 185715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though... you have to get to those cells somehow
< 1352239298 355618 :Phantom_Hoovr!~phantomho@137.205.52.68 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352239298 404096 :Phantom_Hoovr!~phantomho@137.205.52.68 NICK :Phantom_Hoover
< 1352239310 989964 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@137.205.52.68 QUIT :Changing host
< 1352239311 36428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352239426 352881 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352239482 603703 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1352239500 14334 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone here who isn't in the UK (preferably not in Europe), could you do a traceroute to cs.bham.ac.uk and tell me if what you see is as insane as what I see?
< 1352239570 978316 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's going through japan?
< 1352239583 829946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me, the message goes between 193.63.208.21 and 193.63.208.22 alternately until it runs out of ttl
< 1352239602 266607 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, same here.
< 1352239612 104027 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(US)
< 1352239623 116815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: From the US, http://sprunge.us/JccJ
< 1352239717 450011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very similar from home (Finland).
< 1352239724 386271 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1352239835 732966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks
< 1352239841 591589 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did a tracepath from Sweden.... For some reason it goes through japan, then ends up bouncing at the end indeed
< 1352239843 120837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Funnily (perhaps unsurprisingly) the back-path is straight, as illustrated by tracepath at http://sprunge.us/bdPI
< 1352239856 664030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :context is that I'm trying and failing to remote in to servers there so I can do my job
< 1352239859 157984 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, backpath from where?
< 1352239879 831457 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well you are fucked on that point I'm afraid
< 1352239880 136994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: From the two bouncy guys.
< 1352239888 74626 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352239902 740461 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it doesn't go through japan for you?
< 1352239910 844512 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, it does
< 1352239920 649914 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This monitor is huuuuuuuuuuuge
< 1352239927 873981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how huge
< 1352239929 607294 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1352239934 669678 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 inches
< 1352239939 164713 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't huge
< 1352239939 641407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol Taneb
< 1352239947 761265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have two 24" and a 30" in front of me right now
< 1352239952 686404 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I have a 24" in front of me
< 1352239954 22668 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm getting there
< 1352239965 301309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I see no japan there.
< 1352239968 417703 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A couple of months ago my monitor was huge going backwards
< 1352239971 157518 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right
< 1352239978 423993 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, mine does go through japan though
< 1352239981 185967 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is weird
< 1352240005 611116 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :to US, then japan, then back to canada, then to UK from what I can tell?
< 1352240007 171713 :Arc_Koen_!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352240014 567688 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an insane path
< 1352240017 352793 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, need to sleep
< 1352240035 475341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Home goes via my ISP, then Helsinki-London over eunetip, then different UK places via ja.net.
< 1352240053 119287 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1352240053 282911 :Arc_Koen_!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net NICK :Arc_Koen
< 1352240086 709314 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw, how did you find the back path
< 1352240089 317901 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which command
< 1352240089 775766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :VPS takes HE to London and the UK side is pretty similar.
< 1352240115 981810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: tracepath, as mentioned; it reports those "asymm N" for the number of backhops.
< 1352240132 932584 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh trace*path*
< 1352240147 471418 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how is the asymm value decoded?
< 1352240219 719007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Directly the length of the route back, I believe; contrasting the hop-number at start of the line.
< 1352240230 874180 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so big, I don't need to scroll left or right in Dwarf Fortress...
< 1352240238 339559 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352240251 152939 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, then you are playing on a too small map
< 1352240261 507067 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was your embark size?
< 1352240268 736493 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Default, I think
< 1352240273 487726 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is?
< 1352240274 499466 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea, I made that one ages ago
< 1352240277 137770 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4x4
< 1352240281 970949 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember the last time I played on less than 6x6
< 1352240487 918744 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1352240499 842021 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not ready for that kind of size
< 1352240538 426592 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like that time one of my friends switched from Safari for Windows to Internet Explorer and was outstanded by the speed increase
< 1352240717 301343 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1352240964 138017 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal has quit in disgust
< 1352240984 907905 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This friend is too nervous to use Chrome
< 1352240993 795241 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case his mind explodes at the speed
< 1352241089 543473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider finding some better friends
< 1352241126 86710 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-56-15.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's an okay guy, just had a poor computer setup
< 1352241282 309742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
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< 1352241799 849355 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk
< 1352242151 33690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1352242741 637621 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
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< 1352246776 62044 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman once entered Robot Wars and got kicked out for nearly killing the audience.
< 1352247910 250871 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352248026 893315 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, MoALTz
< 1352248109 691458 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :URL?
< 1352248146 452507 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Damn right they did.
< 1352248252 515906 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1352248293 975776 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: that's dr. turing to you, punk
< 1352248514 737103 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blendo
< 1352248525 835112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am frankly amazed that nothing else is called that
< 1352248603 906856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically it smashed things up so violently that it was flinging shrapnel over the safety screens.
< 1352248922 578264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks kinda boring but obviously looks are not everything here
< 1352248930 550542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it's an upside down wok that spins really fast
< 1352248934 882929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see how that would be tough to beat
< 1352249177 299169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What footage I could find on YouTube showed it deflecting away most blows that it couldn't just evade.
< 1352249177 345033 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, the Blendo story is great.
< 1352249188 850895 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1352249216 23249 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like how it ended up losing because they couldn't win in exchange for withdrawing from the competition any more.
< 1352249450 113119 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, so did you vote for the green rainbow party in the end
< 1352249699 368745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1352249705 128138 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i voted for barry o
< 1352249729 805880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why man
< 1352249746 633582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel like a sucker voting 3rd party
< 1352249781 372934 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said you were a sucker voting at all
< 1352249791 262591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1352250185 385193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In other top-level domains (TLDs), anyone can register a domain name including the letters "museum". This does not mean they are museums. You will only find genuine museums in .museum!" -- about.museum
< 1352250222 732918 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How amuseum
< 1352250226 251574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm always getting tricked by fake museums online!
< 1352250232 533460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do they define 'museum'
< 1352250918 188430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: today I tried to use my TV as a TV and failed
< 1352250933 970902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :merely by flipping through all the channels, I caused them all to become static, even the ones that were working on the first round through
< 1352251245 110395 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if i try to watch tv, tv licensing sneak through my window at night and fine me up to a thousand pounds of flesh
< 1352251283 271642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I thought you didn't even own one. :-(
< 1352251289 765415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, kmc is out of the club.
< 1352251298 711295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: they have those vans
< 1352251317 602910 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well now it's not a TV is it ;P
< 1352251336 853398 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a very large HDMI monitor that I use to watch TV shows obtained over coax cable
< 1352251364 204412 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-22440,00.html
< 1352251364 918936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coax pixels out of the wall
< 1352251374 181448 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Television and radio transmitters broadcast at a frequency that is so high it is unintelligible to the human ear."
< 1352251400 286727 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1352251415 224467 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading the rest of this I'm fairly sure the guy is taking the piss.
< 1352251415 675442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a very high frequency, Phantom_Hoover.
< 1352251546 634921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: He's just saying things that are so high they're unintelligible to the human mind.
< 1352251882 244043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope we don't have another fucking florida recount
< 1352252119 803360 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would be fantastic
< 1352252343 277702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking florida
< 1352252384 496280 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I predict landslide victory for ron paul write-ins, across the nation
< 1352252388 43496 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :mark my words!
< 1352252403 602622 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not ron paul, then fellure
< 1352252421 488295 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the king james bible is the ultimate platform
< 1352252516 444066 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
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< 1352252882 394640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i voted to let seriously ill people kill themselves by smoking marijuana while repairing automobiles
< 1352252896 38234 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :good!
< 1352252937 583910 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: state?
< 1352252968 522140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :massachusetts
< 1352252972 74373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way https://twitter.com/fivethirtynate is the best ever
< 1352253017 793152 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was considering votingba straight party ticket, but didnt. Still voted for people who i had little information about beyond party though :/
< 1352253038 582216 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to make sure my vote was wasted, so I voted straight Green party.
< 1352253148 872320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352253177 963392 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ಠ
< 1352253197 256292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: ꙮ
< 1352253206 498834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's clear enough why that site is down
< 1352253213 134377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :power cut throughout the whole University
< 1352253236 281377 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION voted Dem, Green, Libertarian, and in favor of pot
< 1352253246 947465 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wish Internet was working.
< 1352253304 786852 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a Wish Internet, too.
< 1352253322 740457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: which state are you in?
< 1352253337 851131 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :colorado
< 1352253353 767739 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Id rather vote on referendums than for people. Dont need to do as much prior research
< 1352253354 671111 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you stoner you!
< 1352253359 702435 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-149-29.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352253364 959861 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, I'm in CO.
< 1352253371 651975 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I neither smoke pot nor ever wish to.
< 1352253383 864595 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't think that's cause to make it illegal.
< 1352253459 439599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah prohibition harms lots of people who don't partake
< 1352253460 314661 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth trying once
< 1352253463 230650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether it's booze or pot
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< 1352253833 245436 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the UK's solution with tobacco
< 1352253856 2639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was to make it illegal to smoke in many public places, or to advertise its sale, but legal to sell it and to smoke it privately
< 1352253891 616956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i want another set of people complaining about how they have to go outside to smoke
< 1352253927 170105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's increasingly illegal to smoke in public places in the US
< 1352254027 920207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well the obvious answer is to stop smoking, then
< 1352254030 146776 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MToRvo5RExg helpful documentary material for those unfamiliar with the topic
< 1352254034 651816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is it illegal to advertise cigarettes?
< 1352254054 104821 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also now they have those screens in front of cigarette stands
< 1352254165 254353 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't even SEE a packet of cigarettes unless you ask the shopkeeper
< 1352254167 337042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1352254211 516187 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's restrictions on cigarette advertising here, but it is still *legal*.
< 1352254242 115285 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC
< 1352254249 585919 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352254278 185183 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's profoundly limited in how it can be done.
< 1352254292 687958 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“audio advertisements are not permitted to contain any music or sound effects, while video advertisements are limited to static black text on a white background. Any audio soundtrack accompanying a video advertisement is limited to words only, with no music or sound effects.”
< 1352254380 553704 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds pretty amazing, are there any examples on youtube?
< 1352254530 418745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :friend reports "Someone is projecting CNN onto my neighbor's house"
< 1352254810 554424 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pennsylvania Obama
< 1352254836 142492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as expected
< 1352254884 459628 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radio claiming it was a swing state 
< 1352254889 71884 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the 'actual' swing states have been called yet
< 1352254895 776914 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug
< 1352254918 852274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :538 gave Obama 98.6% in PA
< 1352254928 820634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Romney made some desparate last-minute ad buys which I guess makes it a swing state
< 1352254938 501211 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but media also has incentive to make things seem close when they aren't
< 1352254954 113563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence ignoring that 20 polls together have a smaller margin of error than each poll individually
< 1352255197 212366 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im stuck on my phone, what does WNYCs map look like, im under the impression that it's fancier than others.
< 1352255308 920375 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patchwork map thingy
< 1352255336 521573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a bunch of tiny boxes of different colors all jumbled up
< 1352255611 625317 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Wisconsin swing? I dont remember
< 1352255672 604936 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, and it was called for obama just now
< 1352255677 920999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of NYT's 9 swing states
< 1352255699 234149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FL OH WI NH IA CO NV VA NC
< 1352255704 242396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :from memory :)
< 1352255705 502822 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2/9 for Obama.
< 1352255716 749437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which two?
< 1352255726 217837 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, thanks.
< 1352255744 290014 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :intrade is now in sync with silver
< 1352255750 852535 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, oops
< 1352255764 681555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really
< 1352255764 740499 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone doing the healthcare hedge?
< 1352255775 175533 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make 10x your money to pay for healthcare if romney wins
< 1352255778 95958 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1352255780 999349 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Healthcare hedge? 
< 1352255801 287119 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=743474
< 1352255803 425065 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :just being silly, really
< 1352255818 52708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1352255821 869343 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you don't want romney to win, maybe betting money on it will sweeten things a bit
< 1352255822 773742 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My gf is, I think, mistakrn about the effectss of the healthcare law.
< 1352255836 80454 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does she think?
< 1352255886 426351 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That if she's in college past 26, and her plan would have kept her insured, 26 is now the limitation due to the law and she'd need a new plan.
< 1352256029 857129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what *is* this healthcare law anyway
< 1352256048 969389 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it just, like, force you to buy insurance?
< 1352256144 219169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act
< 1352256183 564424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a bunch of provisions
< 1352256217 772851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'PPACA requires insurance companies to cover all applicants and offer the same rates regardless of pre-existing conditions or gender.'
< 1352256234 231402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Dependents (children) will be permitted to remain on their parents' insurance plan until their 26th birthday'
< 1352256271 573964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also your insurer has to give you a rebate if they spend more than 20% of your premium on administrative costs
< 1352256284 971228 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which i think she interpreted as "forbidden to remain after 26th birthday"
< 1352256342 875783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Romney needs to win most of the swing states to win overall, IIRC
< 1352256354 139326 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, wisconsin and new hampshire
< 1352256361 484854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and needs to win Florida in particular, because it's worth the most
< 1352256475 43773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he loses FL he can win by winning literally all of the others
< 1352256476 850212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the only way
< 1352256493 699363 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some media have already called WI for Obama
< 1352256500 689955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or NH
< 1352256511 643696 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/president/scenarios
< 1352256583 664944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally don't think Romney will win without Florida, at least
< 1352256599 516094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and FL is mindbogglingly close atm
< 1352256602 614420 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if obama wins florida, it'll suck
< 1352256607 875444 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause it'll be ridiculously close
< 1352256614 158891 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why is florida so important
< 1352256617 281719 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD, you're talking about the election here, too.
< 1352256619 374538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's worth 29
< 1352256621 479001 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN'T ESCAPE.
< 1352256629 627169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok
< 1352256631 968536 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :29 sounds big
< 1352256635 492016 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: If Obama wins Florida, he wins.
< 1352256645 76752 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not strictly true
< 1352256647 902101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the value of a state in determining a president is a linear function of the population
< 1352256653 33190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it's some fraction of the population, plus a constant
< 1352256657 44835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not linear
< 1352256657 389473 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Romney would have to win literally every other swing state.
< 1352256659 752547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some rounding applied, too
< 1352256663 463376 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some have already been called for Obama.
< 1352256663 920904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, affine
< 1352256680 116935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not proportional, at least
< 1352256701 358147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WI and NH have already been called for Obama by some media... if he gets OH too then Romney cannot win
< 1352256706 879085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he's well ahead in OH count so far
< 1352256716 618514 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except... they can still tie under that scenario
< 1352256718 334057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, OH for Obama seems likely
< 1352256733 397269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the BBC asked a bunch of their journalists for predictions
< 1352256735 810636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them predicted a tie
< 1352256743 795667 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if what was considered a safe Obama state toes Romney
< 1352256747 313409 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goes
< 1352256753 502062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a tie gives Romney/Biden, right?
< 1352256765 242737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is thought
< 1352256766 773523 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: Depends on the state. If California went Romney, Romney would win. But that's nutty.
< 1352256771 599845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC just called NH for Obama
< 1352256771 896556 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Likely.
< 1352256785 931891 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get 20x on romney now
< 1352256789 246799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what happens" is "an unprecedented constitutional clusterfuck"
< 1352256794 946981 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The Republican house would choose the president, and the Democratic senate would choose the vice, so yeah, Romney/Biden.
< 1352256809 804694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the secret to this whole government thing is, everyone is making up the rules as they go
< 1352256826 459018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well republican house and democratic senate isn't /guaranteed/ yet, but it seems very likely
< 1352256827 604311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think the outcome of this completely unprecdented vote in the Congress is pre-ordained
< 1352256827 651201 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kmc, you should play nomic
< 1352256839 161140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah, we have unprecedented constitutional clusterfucks for fun
< 1352256845 667006 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Right, yeah, but since that's the only reason for Romney/Biden... :)
< 1352256856 189649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there were an EV tie with a clear PV margin for one candidate, some people might vote against party in the interests of Democracy (ha ha ha ha ha)
< 1352256872 716927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or there might be, like, riots in the street
< 1352256874 763034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the fuck knows
< 1352256885 318458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I've been wondering about the chance of electoral vote against party
< 1352256887 694624 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :americans are mostly too lazy to riot though
< 1352256889 483277 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Nice theory.
< 1352256897 183919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's true, some electors could also change their votes
< 1352256901 946603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that both D and R have easily enough control over their electors, though
< 1352256907 486692 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on the state they're from, they might face criminal penalties
< 1352256917 612094 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if you're D or R, you're going to pick your most diehard fans ever as the electors
< 1352256925 735908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would you be willing to go to jail to singlehandedly decide the presidential election?
< 1352256950 812700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: some people would, but I doubt they'd go to jail to singlehandedly decide it in favour of their political opponents
< 1352257005 183195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :political allegiences can shift quickly...
< 1352257013 860987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Republican Party is barely holding together as is
< 1352257026 963946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the extremists are running the moderates out of town and have doomed the party
< 1352257036 149474 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Nice theory.
< 1352257038 46574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could totally see a spite vote by a moderate republican elector
< 1352257048 492348 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean this is in the realm of extremely unlikely hypotheticals
< 1352257102 963142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the BBC thinks that the parties have moved further apart than before, particularly in the House of Representatives
< 1352257112 981516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, they're predicting it will have fewer moderates than it used to
< 1352257125 510559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, US "moderate" = rest of the world "mindboggingly extreme right wing"
< 1352257141 133680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1352257195 313426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my theory is that the Republican Party will evaporate over the next decade, due to inability to get anyone other than angry old white men to vote for them
< 1352257212 618254 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :US "bleeding heart liberal" = rest of the world "right-leaning moderate", no?
< 1352257221 622704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then maybe the Dems can have a legitimate challenge to the left
< 1352257222 243307 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Seems like it.
< 1352257228 970345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i think that's a bit of an overstatement
< 1352257237 188898 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, probably.
< 1352257239 716760 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the electoral pull of the BNP?
< 1352257245 564443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most left-leaning members of congress would still be solidly on the left side of the European spectrum
< 1352257253 941744 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a friend who i think i would describe as religious fundamentalist. She's not an old man.
< 1352257264 645949 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: She's a notable minority.
< 1352257267 352874 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus there's that whole nastiness in hungary.  eugh.
< 1352257270 437378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in european terms we have a center-right party and an extreme right party.  but some members of the former are pretty left-leaning
< 1352257295 815339 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is pikhq claiming that all religious fundamentalists are old men or something
< 1352257297 462486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah there are extreme right anti-immigrant etc. parties all over europe :/
< 1352257306 911981 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Nah, just that most of them are.
< 1352257310 846713 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I mean, how much support do they have?
< 1352257332 521835 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep hearing about them, but I don't know if they're just on par with the Prohibition Party or what
< 1352257339 7021 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it's at that point that it breaks down though.
< 1352257353 389965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: for the US versus rest of the world theory: David Cameron brought in a "big society" thing in the UK where neighbourhoods were encouraged to solve their own problems on a local level
< 1352257360 821710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was considered a particularly right-wing policy
< 1352257377 380654 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... *Right* wing?
< 1352257384 77591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some American on the news used a very similar policy as an example of what they liked about the left wing in the US
< 1352257385 878887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah
< 1352257397 561125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO right-wing
< 1352257398 402856 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's really a solid Dem thing.
< 1352257412 66151 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was right-wing policy being dressed up as left-wing, basically
< 1352257419 568081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an example of the gulf between the US and UK in terms of political position, really
< 1352257456 911192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last election had a pretty surreal element of all the parties pretending to be the real leftists
< 1352257458 744321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also yay the democrat i voted for for senate has won :)
< 1352257490 83905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah, although it's worth noting that the parties are back where they're meant to be
< 1352257501 885526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure Labour was to the right of the Conservatives during the Blair years
< 1352257508 632715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the Conservatives are definitely the rightmost at the moment
< 1352257545 839251 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what romney's up to
< 1352257593 372286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was campaigning earlier, but surely he's stopped by now
< 1352257604 351676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually we'll reach the point where people campaign the day after the election
< 1352257606 702935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it hasn't happened yet
< 1352257624 578156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"victory" party in Boston
< 1352257636 133832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well they already send out fliers telling people to vote the day after the election
< 1352257650 304899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something to the effect of "due to a recent law, all black people now vote on wednesday"
< 1352257653 361865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :common tactic
< 1352257675 828706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you fucking serious
< 1352257698 582885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1352257708 690707 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isnt thst an old urban legend? 
< 1352257763 346389 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That yep is incredibly ambiguous
< 1352257825 770114 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.boston.com/businessupdates/2012/11/06/private-jets-line-logan-romney-backers-arrive-boston/2Ol3ROMXhLU5Ppd2NOPDMN/story.html
< 1352257832 103984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://current.com/groups/news-blog/93951496_tracking-voter-suppression-efforts-across-the-country.htm
< 1352257835 344366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Robocalls made to Democrats have informed voters that due to Hurricane Sandy, the election has been moved to Wednesday, Nov. 7.'
< 1352257864 410936 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://holliston-hopkinton.patch.com/articles/robo-call-says-election-is-wednesday
< 1352257871 390190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, this is just an allegation from some random person
< 1352257876 470372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way these things are done, it is very hard to prove
< 1352257962 165121 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :CA closes at 11 eastern, right?
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< 1352258617 782655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there's at least one confirmed case this year where Republicans admitted putting the wrong election date on robocalls
< 1352258620 46627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they said it was a mistake
< 1352258696 954617 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Todd Akin was defeated
< 1352258698 358794 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Missouri voters had a way of shutting him down :)
< 1352258726 402369 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He pissed a bunch of people off there.
< 1352258744 781938 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did he do
< 1352258762 234069 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legitimate rape.
< 1352258781 20449 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said that women who are actually raped don't get pregnat.
< 1352258784 549513 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pregnant
< 1352258796 745026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"First of all, from what I understand from doctors, [pregnancy from rape is] really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."
< 1352258810 385387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out that old white men are not actually experts on women's bodies!
< 1352258815 259262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for Ron Paul of course
< 1352258828 120369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a worrying statement because I can believe that there are people who could believe that
< 1352258836 693348 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes a lot of people believe it
< 1352258847 535006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have even been the majority view in the 1800s
< 1352258850 797512 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well unless they're gynaecologists
< 1352258854 165685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is where the republican party is on women's issues
< 1352258868 356692 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's why I said "except for Ron Paul"
< 1352258870 498665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: does knowing about vaginas make you an expert on wombs?
< 1352258878 516875 :augur!~augur@pool-108-56-212-48.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1352258882 399703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he needs to get endorsements from people who he delivered
< 1352258895 731389 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, uh
< 1352258902 208720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure you understand what gynaecology is
< 1352258946 295447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it deals with the entire female reproductive system
< 1352259029 847169 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ron Paul was actually a gynecologist before he was a politician.
< 1352259032 198732 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legit.
< 1352259059 993881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ah, OK
< 1352259122 279229 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1352259125 655837 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> sleep
< 1352259138 726279 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note to self, finish installing linux and enable compose key so i can do that properly)
< 1352259142 330341 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like we're getting legal marijuana in CO
< 1352259142 981913 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1352259174 378117 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that interact with it still being schedule I federally, exactly
< 1352259193 749374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://brainwrap.com/various/gop_rape_advisory_megachart.gif
< 1352259197 772141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: poorly
< 1352259225 774038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will hinge on whether Obama (or Romney, lol) directs the federales to lay off or not
< 1352259254 740686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far they have been hassling medical mj sellers in CA etc a little bit, but not enough to shut down the program
< 1352259267 638038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :remains to be seen how they will deal with explicitly recreational use
< 1352259404 124335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the federal government allowed to enforce drug laws?
< 1352259413 902084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they could just decide to put a really really large federal tax on drugs
< 1352259423 899338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sufficiently high that nobody could pay it
< 1352259458 638333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: didn't you hear, growing pot in your own backyard and smoking it yourself in your own house is interstate commerce
< 1352259462 214876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously
< 1352259471 293157 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: They can enforce it directly, *but* it would be insanely hard and politically unviable to do so.
< 1352259476 875955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich
< 1352259482 447562 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They would literally have to send in the FBI at great expense
< 1352259492 519083 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it'd make the states rights people go *nuts*.
< 1352259494 540836 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is actually non-drug precedent for this... local price controls on crops during the Great Depression or something
< 1352259495 990040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that makes no sense
< 1352259499 428297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: FBI or DEA
< 1352259503 631929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that being interstate commerce, that is
< 1352259514 292784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can also do things like, withold federal assistance money from the states that legalize mj
< 1352259519 463154 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "interstate commerce" is now the root password to the Constitution.
< 1352259519 650227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yep it is,
< 1352259525 870296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a bit of a surprise when the supreme court ruled that obama's healthcare changes weren't interstate commerce
< 1352259533 62384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they also ruled that they were legal as a federal tax
< 1352259534 354714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i thought they ruled it's a legal tax
< 1352259535 680956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1352259539 612928 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352259555 490792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the funny thing is, lots of journalists saw the "not interstate commerce" bit and announced the verdict wrongly
< 1352259566 28879 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, I'm not sure we need or want federalism anymore... but I wish we could switch over sanely rather than inventing these ridiculous loopholes
< 1352259573 680617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people who read the whole decision were a bit slower
< 1352259589 523966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think federalism went out the window when the federal government had to spend about 100 years repeatedly forcing the south to stop treating black people as farm equipment
< 1352259633 898931 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's when we killed it.
< 1352259636 632381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they came for the slaveowners, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a slaveowner"?
< 1352259639 829492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise, i think abortion should be legal but i think the SCOTUS argument in Roe v. Wade is pretty ridiculous as law goes
< 1352259658 120320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should just get a non-braindead government and pass a law saying abortion is legal and the states can suck it
< 1352259668 403533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, that's not how it works.
< 1352259696 541904 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SCOTUS is kinda hacking the everloving crap out of the US legal system.
< 1352259744 554951 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:YoungWomanInTubeTop.jpg#filehistory
< 1352259766 118017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c
< 1352259929 711667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: let's pass two laws, one saying it's legal, the other saying it's illegal
< 1352259946 789711 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352259948 162739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep everyone happy
< 1352259953 873584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happens all the time :/
< 1352260055 758646 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/jluYz.jpg http://i.imgur.com/rxDvM.jpg
< 1352260073 765986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwww
< 1352260262 818741 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.craigboyce.com/w/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/F_Word_OK-010.jpg
< 1352260288 584311 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily they were rescued after that
< 1352260386 475440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in NV you can vote "None"
< 1352260406 396447 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that different from not voting
< 1352260460 695855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sends a stronger message
< 1352260480 299990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i got my ass to the polling place just to tell you all how much i hate these two candidates"
< 1352260489 868661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if it has any other effect
< 1352260529 539664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if "None" gets a plurality of the vote then Nevada's electoral votes abstain ;P
< 1352260637 615245 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :vote :: Maybe (Either Obama Romney) -> IO ()
< 1352260651 276081 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :vote _ = return ()
< 1352260664 312065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^---- experimental voting machine software
< 1352260671 368221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's in Haskell so it's provably correct ;)
< 1352260676 32420 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah!
< 1352260678 242763 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bias!
< 1352260693 966422 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeModifyVotes
< 1352260715 347401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know this would be a great way to rig the voting machines
< 1352260725 329884 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't add bias, just make the ones in certain neighborhoods less reliable
< 1352260894 854760 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352260908 366583 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :pairs trading? http://snapplr.com/3sps
< 1352260944 980580 :SgeoN1!~androirc@166.199.83.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thonk it's time to jump ship from AndroIRC back to AndIRC
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< 1352261370 596535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there was a story a while back about machines being recalibrated because they were recording votes incorrectly…
< 1352261386 994848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only thing I can think of is touchscreens being miscalibrated so you have to press in the wrong place for the vote to be recorded
< 1352261608 550290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352261686 144109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NBC has called it for Obama
< 1352261689 739142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he takes OH and the election
< 1352261780 920099 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CBS did as well.
< 1352261820 982051 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fox called OH for obama
< 1352261847 927787 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :FL looks kinda likely, but painfully close
< 1352261883 752973 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want, you can make 66x your investment on intrade now if romney wins
< 1352261917 764120 :SgeoN1!~Sgeo@166.199.83.5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1352262038 658107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CNN as well
< 1352262188 93435 :SgeoN1!~Sgeo@32.139.205.74 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352262215 554349 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wanna crash mitt's party? :D
< 1352262257 58481 :SgeoN1!~Sgeo@32.139.205.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Romney currently winning popular vote.
< 1352262270 954077 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: Don't mean jack
< 1352262299 118271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC has called it for Obama, too
< 1352262303 51753 :SgeoN1!~Sgeo@32.139.205.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Means can't really convince people it's large.
< 1352262317 610131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :again as a response of calling Ohio
< 1352262319 210028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1352262319 928953 :SgeoN1!~Sgeo@32.139.205.74 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But also means people will take notice of electoral college. 
< 1352262322 495571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was Obama getting Ohio unexpected?
< 1352262326 665375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PV does matter for meta-game reasons, yes
< 1352262334 409903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, he was the favorite on 538 etc.
< 1352262351 484132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :538 put the odds he wins OH about the same as the odds he wins the election (~ 90%)
< 1352262391 505777 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus far, 538 matches the electoral one.
< 1352262412 288626 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: congratulations. For four more years, your government will be an
< 1352262422 325530 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sunglasses
< 1352262423 939667 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obama-nation
< 1352262469 658850 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: 538 appears to be wrong about VA
< 1352262476 924985 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm.
< 1352262480 806345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :green-rainbow got 1% in MA
< 1352262494 372240 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gary Johnson is pushing 1% of the overall popular vote
< 1352262505 410434 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you amurricans and your ridiculous election system
< 1352262511 427594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think anyone has called VA yet, and some heavily dem-leaning counties are underrepresented in the existing count
< 1352262578 468231 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I grasp from the beak of a silver dove a laurel wreath of finely-wrought permutations. The Signal has come at last."
< 1352262602 815119 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact obama is ahead in VA again
< 1352262610 347612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to CNN
< 1352262676 730010 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKUOB8MN4Kc
< 1352262735 220988 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: according to fox too
< 1352262746 743630 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe silver will be spot on after all
< 1352262796 420843 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be cool
< 1352262799 197360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :us nerds gotta stick together
< 1352262846 607616 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352262884 874020 :SgeoN1!~Sgeo@32.139.205.74 QUIT :Quit: Bye
< 1352262920 76683 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1352262922 58582 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: apparently cannabis is to be legalized in your state
< 1352262922 941043 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hicks
< 1352262929 18346 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup.
< 1352262935 889903 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: can you mail me a bag o' weed?
< 1352262938 373765 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kthx
< 1352262947 51538 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's too early to be sure
< 1352262952 187615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which state
< 1352262953 204162 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :mail me one anyway
< 1352262958 986055 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: colorado
< 1352262964 230174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, cool
< 1352262967 395213 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :washington also appears likely to legalize
< 1352262969 210164 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not oregon though
< 1352262973 51143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if la dea will intervene
< 1352262983 678062 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and same-sex marriage will remain illegal in washington :(
< 1352262988 983153 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1352263003 611104 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit, really?
< 1352263012 514971 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to be permitted to marry the set of people he could find himself in a relationship with!
< 1352263026 562481 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :54.0% against the ballot with one third of the polls reporting
< 1352263055 158030 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and new hampshire is... banning income tax
< 1352263065 125496 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1352263072 277552 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352263083 602210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1352263157 1425 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it already had none
< 1352263173 951393 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :was very beneficial to me when I was making pittance as a grad student
< 1352263204 470393 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Obama Projected as Winner, Romney 
< 1352263204 624685 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Campaign Not Yet Ready to Concede"
< 1352263213 253725 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(According to Fox News website)
< 1352263225 117996 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1352263236 276661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352263241 475746 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :recount time!
< 1352263264 146522 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PV evening out
< 1352263291 804770 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: you happen to have a link for the marriage thing?
< 1352263302 313734 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: huffington post
< 1352263306 679275 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1352263315 369833 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, they don't have the numbers yet
< 1352263320 648839 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking on another site previously
< 1352263327 926999 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :closed it since huffpo does it much better
< 1352263335 90795 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to put FOX 5 on TV
< 1352263366 848499 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh good
< 1352263372 959287 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1352263382 250175 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: your state is proving sane by attempting to prohibit corporate political expense
< 1352263388 63398 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Right, yes.
< 1352263432 219053 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and michigan wants a bridge!
< 1352263433 910075 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray!
< 1352263495 426454 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Not only that, but the margin is strong enough to send a clear message to politicians that this is a good route to pursue
< 1352263524 795615 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whooo
< 1352263530 680848 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Romney didn't write his concession speech
< 1352263541 227438 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: even though it is technically non-binding
< 1352263552 453584 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1352263557 537748 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CO passes legalized marijuana
< 1352263562 311123 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whooo baby
< 1352263577 423362 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should rename ##parliament to ##governance
< 1352263589 148952 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be good to discuss things like referenda there
< 1352263625 904356 :augur!~augur@pool-108-56-212-48.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352263641 697467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, I know where I'm going next April :D
< 1352263671 57150 :augur!~augur@pool-108-56-212-48.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1352263712 577664 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the flying fuck
< 1352263720 804242 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :alabama's ballot measures are insane
< 1352263733 489701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they declare that gay people are a type of tree or something
< 1352263738 6661 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alabama has the world's largest Constitution. What do you expect?
< 1352263750 122829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there are parking ordinances in the constitution
< 1352263758 640271 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Do they actually?
< 1352263782 983406 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1352263789 506725 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At 340 kilowords.
< 1352263795 730620 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah we should move to ##government or ##government
< 1352263821 743585 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, one of Alabama's amendments is actually a sane law
< 1352263835 579956 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :allowing union votes to be by secret ballot
< 1352263844 27406 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :now why the fuck that needs a constitutional amendment, I do not know
< 1352263888 898071 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the
< 1352263889 354840 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Alabama_Lawrence_County_Amendment,_Amendment_11_(2012)
< 1352263918 46439 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*whyyyyyy*
< 1352263950 449609 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: oh hey
< 1352263959 777554 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :huffpo is reporting that same sex marriage has the lead in washington
< 1352263966 717400 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome.
< 1352264150 775648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1352264185 405304 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matthew Shepard seems angry at .. government, for gridlock and not listening to the people
< 1352264219 692612 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Main also
< 1352264222 102697 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Maine
< 1352264261 186360 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a slight lead in Maryland
< 1352264288 845202 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Maryland has also apparently ensured that illegal immigrants get resident tuition
< 1352264368 471748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: your link is slashdotted, what does it lead to?
< 1352264373 93747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it's working?
< 1352264373 975326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be exciting to see how the federal govt reacts to CO marijuana legalization
< 1352264384 337674 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And WA (I think it's passing?)
< 1352264398 541801 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it works intermittently
< 1352264416 966277 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, it appears to be
< 1352264418 977762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but mashing refresh is only going to make the slashdotting worse
< 1352264430 35540 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, MN is also in favour of same-sex marriage
< 1352264433 656246 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys are finally coming round :P
< 1352264454 888892 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gay orgy time
< 1352264460 947684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As of July 2011, the city of Denver counted more medical marijuana dispensaries than Starbucks franchises."
< 1352264493 241651 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I was watching Hannity. Watch his tears. Shepard is being too reasonable.
< 1352264500 537756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how many of the Medical Marijuana stores will convert to selling Fun Marijuana
< 1352264552 794314 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/seanhannity
< 1352264562 188101 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, the link provides that no municipality located wholly outside Lawrence County can impose any form of ordnance on the areas inside the intersection of its police jurisdiction and Lawrence County
< 1352264563 497323 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how he tweets each Romney win and none of the Obama ones
< 1352264564 717769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: OK, loaded it: so that amendment is basically leaving a county to live by itself
< 1352264566 143768 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Montana_Corporate_Contributions_Initiative,_I-166_(2012)
< 1352264571 47278 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the one about not gloating
< 1352264578 707638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fire service from outside, etc
< 1352264579 483419 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes. And this was submitted to the voters.
< 1352264589 426372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of everywhere, or just lawrence county?
< 1352264593 36265 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the one county
< 1352264600 942843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, hmm
< 1352264607 327891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does alabama know what "constitution" means?
< 1352264614 541091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: fair and balanced
< 1352264614 693214 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, Glenn Beck's twitter is almost funny
< 1352264616 537976 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced
< 1352264625 480802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asking who 2nd term Obama will blame the economy on
< 1352264641 915929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :romney, obviously :)
< 1352264758 561479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fair question
< 1352264790 387357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :president gets too much credit for the economy either way
< 1352264851 405114 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Romney's going to run again. This lack of a concession speech has to be embarrassing.
< 1352264888 480955 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Matthew Shepard a Democrat? He's sounding like one.
< 1352264911 710170 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, am I mixing up names again?
< 1352264915 452690 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shepard Smith?
< 1352264927 849101 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....I have no idea who I'm watching, except the name "Shep"
< 1352264942 353001 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shepard Smith
< 1352264944 737810 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like a derp
< 1352264978 340802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....I was using the name of a murdered kid.
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< 1352265000 477711 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to hide
< 1352265087 727865 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes the last five minutes make a /lot/ more sense
< 1352265203 317400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dongs
< 1352265326 218336 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fark.com/comments/7420987/Woman-briefly-barred-from-voting-for-wearing-a-MIT-t-shirt
< 1352265360 18254 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fart dot com
< 1352265384 229709 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :trump threw a tantrum on twitter
< 1352265405 739820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilarious
< 1352265449 899558 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a classy gentleman
< 1352265473 594723 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's someone I wish would just disappear
< 1352265481 164974 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that won't happen because he has a lot of money and a big ego
< 1352265488 947112 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy." yes good
< 1352265492 318056 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though he doesn't really have much of a role anywhere 
< 1352265502 581406 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy."
< 1352265503 428491 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and south dakota has decided that the state must balance its budget
< 1352265509 527389 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1352265545 237547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: do you think it /will/?
< 1352265717 366804 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It won't have a choice
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< 1352266019 152056 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the Romney campaign still believe it could win?
< 1352266026 53145 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess?
< 1352266045 961304 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what state are you in, again?
< 1352266050 962116 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NY
< 1352266065 817894 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Romney's just being a dick to Obama
< 1352266114 858341 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even *Fox News* is calling it for Obama.
< 1352266160 479864 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I like Shepard Smith now
< 1352266343 281483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this point Obama wins without FL, OH, *or* VA
< 1352266354 987854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are just icing on a nate silver shaped cake
< 1352266448 271167 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At this point it's fair to say Nate Silver is a victor.
< 1352266627 878031 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish it was more of a PV landslide
< 1352266629 383798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time around there were a few other people running quantitavite models
< 1352266669 809825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think at this point, election-running and political advertising are such a precise science that we won't get huge landslides
< 1352266686 517270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :both parties can find and appeal to the median voter with pinpoint accuracy
< 1352266786 543168 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until such time that someone goes crazy and shits on a baby.
< 1352266822 170347 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they could capture that elusive baby-shitter demographic
< 1352266837 73582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we may get some landslides as the Republican Party implodes over the next decade
< 1352266848 71665 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some interesting 3-way races
< 1352266864 736556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOP extremist vs Democrat vs semi-credible progressive challenger
< 1352266898 524869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mr. Obama’s coalition included support from blacks, Hispanics, women, those under 30, those in unions, gay men and lesbians and Jews."
< 1352266907 300635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. everyone other than angry old white men
< 1352266929 754781 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd feel better about Obama's victory if he wins the PV
< 1352266992 621337 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug
< 1352267010 429780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a split outcome might be good in the long run, as far as bipartisan support for electoral college reform
< 1352267032 403502 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :overturn citizens goddamn united, first
< 1352267071 754580 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have mixed feelings about citizens united
< 1352267080 447544 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they should wait until i am not drunk
< 1352267127 398979 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, better prepare your flags
< 1352267149 228440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :airing a documentary against an incumbent politician is unquestionably the kind of thing the first amendment should protect
< 1352267153 741438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :money is needed to be heard on the airwaves
< 1352267157 728376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not about "money is speech"
< 1352267166 764826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about "restricting money restricts speech"
< 1352267167 964071 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like you might need a nother star
< 1352267170 932275 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*another star
< 1352267215 657157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for puerto rico?
< 1352267242 230260 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup
< 1352267250 259534 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :so after trump threw his tantrum about the electoral college, it looks like obama will win that too, by a small margin
< 1352267311 874187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the popular vote you mean?
< 1352267320 346153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PR's thing is nonbinding though i think
< 1352267324 49773 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean yeah
< 1352267326 648695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it will be years of gridlock before anything happens
< 1352267355 307704 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It seems reasonably definitive, though
< 1352267374 674913 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :a majority voted in favour of the relationship and statehood is overwhelmingly preferred as the new system
< 1352267393 93525 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The major issue that was preventing it in the past was Puerto Rico didn't want statehood.
< 1352267395 689770 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
< 1352267408 889635 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The biggest obstacle will be a constitution
< 1352267419 460707 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the morons in modern congress shouldn't have trouble approving things
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< 1352267707 87892 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xkcd.com/1131/
< 1352267753 585637 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Romney making concession speech
< 1352268283 973769 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.palinaspresident.us/barack/
< 1352268368 992288 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard better autotuning...
< 1352268404 540452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that page may have unduly affected my mind
< 1352268407 859443 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1352268481 783802 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Appears we've got a good deal of same-sex marriage stuff passed, too.
< 1352268516 768610 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gay weed is law in washington.  sp
< 1352268532 307929 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*so's charter schools and university not investing in stocks, but nobody cares probably
< 1352268536 841323 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And multiple openly gay members of Congress.
< 1352268560 579718 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First lesbian Senator...
< 1352268561 111613 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :303-203 does that count as a landslide, or does landslide rely on strong PV?
< 1352268597 902492 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you get an electoral landslide while losing the PV?
< 1352268665 569229 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends
< 1352268677 874418 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is judged by how close it "felt"
< 1352268701 132307 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yo, are you interested in how government works?
< 1352268715 476129 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, why not
< 1352268868 982935 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, my rep. won :(
< 1352268900 868383 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ##parliament
< 1352268904 654364 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352269364 198417 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Technically, Obama could still lose the PV. It's not very likely.
< 1352269371 661647 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: But he's assuredly won an electoral landslide.
< 1352269411 645899 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will people consider it a landslide for purposes of whether or not Obama has a "mandate"?
< 1352269529 911133 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that has a useful meaning.
< 1352269546 804547 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^
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< 1352269613 504844 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Obama does not have a mandate. Reason, the GOP exists.
< 1352270074 755643 :StormTwo!~libraryst@203.201.51.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to cum
< 1352270088 132577 :StormTwo!~libraryst@203.201.51.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eject semen/sperm
< 1352270109 81979 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not a particularly erotic place.
< 1352270118 660520 :StormTwo!~libraryst@203.201.51.166 NICK :StormThree
< 1352270125 695564 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most discussions of sex here are in the abstract. And it's not one of our typical topics.
< 1352270284 890389 :StormThree!~libraryst@203.201.51.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :=========D ---
< 1352270345 888208 :StormThree!~libraryst@203.201.51.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :www.xhamster.am
< 1352270349 784767 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so glad you defined "cum" for us. We don't live on the Internet, so we wouldn't otherwise know what that means.
< 1352270375 270830 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hai, tinntinn sìȳa. tèmo, soriȳa hàka nn sìȳa 'te.
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< 1352272051 750968 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1352272133 253490 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike
< 1352273011 564276 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my life story is me moving from being somewhat right-wing to very left-wing
< 1352273048 976471 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that.
< 1352273112 741521 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was a kid, I wanted some information on time-zone stuff. There was a website that had the information I was looking for.
< 1352273129 816200 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it was part of a GLBT website/group, so I refused to look at it.
< 1352273154 860253 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually got the information I was looking for ... when I clicked another sort of link to that same page such that I didn't realize what site I went on.
< 1352273230 560029 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION groks
< 1352273250 392624 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff.
< 1352273394 839661 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I've been on a freaking mission trip to a third-world country.
< 1352273396 901796 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at me now.
< 1352273440 640083 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, o.O
< 1352273481 446788 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I was never ... that religious. Even when I believed in God, I would get ticked off at leaving candles burn, because I felt God valued our safety over religious rituals.
< 1352273495 154183 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was profoundly religious when I was younger.
< 1352273498 126161 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, I should note that I grew up Reformed Jewish.
< 1352273499 234168 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That faded as I learned more.
< 1352273594 209204 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaand now I'm out as bi and an atheist.
< 1352273691 818038 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bialetheism
< 1352273696 669494 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have a "make all drugs illegal" mindset. I am now in favor of legalization of some drugs.
< 1352273708 252038 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just posted a lengthy Facebook status about it >.>
< 1352274016 114662 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352274158 755652 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't help but wonder if my supporting marijuana legalization now, as opposed to sooner (in which I officially considered myself on the fence, I think), is because of an authotarian streak I think I have
< 1352274173 863260 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitter.com/republicantears
< 1352274184 75262 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's (somewhat) legal in one of the states now, therefore it's ok for me to support it.
< 1352274196 132802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to feel uneasy breaking rules.
< 1352274399 573202 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not clear on how that works.  Is it like, I'll walk by a marijuana store, and then they spot some ATF agents and run for it?
< 1352274538 156735 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea
< 1352274617 815396 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more likely nothing will actually change until the feds do, I suppose
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< 1352274966 29299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re-public ant ears.
< 1352276823 436375 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Have you considered having an antiauthoritarian streak?
< 1352276908 149076 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does occur to me that there are some rules I feel no guilt about violating
< 1352276923 465601 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Age restrictions (joined a 13+ chat when I was 12 and an 18+ chat when I was 17)
< 1352276932 192630 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, you rebel
< 1352276981 377144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How old are you now?
< 1352276997 147052 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old enough that I don't think there are any more age restrictions.
< 1352277010 896299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet there are.
< 1352277016 348387 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like about your age to get senior discounts?
< 1352277026 178904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a 22+ chat, Sgeo.
< 1352277063 522327 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say "barely" old enough.
< 1352277084 705344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it's a 25+ chat.
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< 1352277347 528208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland has a minimum age restriction of 30 for a vasectomy. (Trivia fact for today.)
< 1352277455 880794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(30 years, that is.)
< 1352277461 284424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think I've heard something about bars with age limits up to 28+, though I haven't seen anything more than something like 24+.
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< 1352296510 678440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:48:02:  today i voted to let seriously ill people kill themselves by smoking marijuana while repairing automobiles
< 1352296516 94819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: #1 way to die???
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< 1352303498 918392 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That said, federal law still says marijuana is an illegal drug, so don't break out the Cheetos or Goldfish too quickly." -- CO Gov. John Hickenlooper
< 1352303523 638713 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautirful
< 1352303537 37401 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also like that he's accepting the decision
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< 1352303663 92085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't have a choice does he?
< 1352303728 234154 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Your nation's government doesn't always seem to think that way
< 1352303741 217947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
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< 1352303795 447925 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy was mayor of denver when they legalized pot on a city basis
< 1352303809 813523 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he opposed it, but presumably got a chance to see that it didn't cause the earth to swallow up the city of denver
< 1352303883 982528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also happened last night: the first openly gay person elected to the Senate
< 1352303942 875174 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :)
< 1352304261 698979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does it actually mean for it to be legal in CO if it's federally illegal
< 1352304298 214176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a superposition then, right? 
< 1352304324 407698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It collapses to legal or illegal when a police officer observes you. I think.
< 1352304336 710599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They covered something like this on the quantum physics courses, but I didn't pay too much attention.
< 1352304501 333296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it means that city and state police won't hassle you over it
< 1352304518 243856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but it's still illegal?
< 1352304521 251196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory if you're smokin' weed in your house, the federal DEA could still break down your door
< 1352304528 589662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is pretty unlikely
< 1352304534 643883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more likely they would go after distributors
< 1352304543 590896 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as has sporadically happend with medical marijuana in CA etc
< 1352304562 270577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember, federal law also doesn't recognize state medical marijuana programs, but those have existed for a while
< 1352304584 97080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice it will depend a lot on how Obama et al set federal law enforcement priorities
< 1352304595 957280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he was a strict prohibitionist he could make life hard for CO -- withhold federal law enforcement assistance money, etc.
< 1352304606 371757 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my read is that he will try to ignore it as much as possible
< 1352304640 961413 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-174-240.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd probably be politically difficult for him to be strict prohibitionist on this.
< 1352304657 259824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the tide is certainly shifting on this issue
< 1352304678 425445 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not one but two states legalized it yesterday, and more approved medical mj
< 1352304700 976478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any president with a sense of the path of history (i.e.: not george w bush) would think twice before standing in front of this issue
< 1352304719 594234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legalize gay weed and medical marriage now.
< 1352304722 670539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352304743 434804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i look forward to buying pot bronwies from the dining car on california high speed rail
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< 1352305872 530243 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey don't we have a category for OISCs? http://esolangs.org/wiki/OISC#See_also seems to be emulating one
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< 1352312832 524781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://isnatesilverawitch.com/
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< 1352313377 94060 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it just say "YES"? 
< 1352313391 33219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it says "PROBABLY".
< 1352313458 469318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he predict any sstate wrong
< 1352313459 668383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*states
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< 1352313677 553750 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Florida's still unknown
< 1352313697 432072 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But keep in mind that we're all comparing to his latest prediction, but what about earlier ones?
< 1352313719 558101 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes sense that the latest prediction is most accurate, I think
< 1352313858 800546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352313868 831619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that hard to do what he did on the eve of the election
< 1352313882 176584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :much simpler models than his produce the same result
< 1352313947 119611 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-romney-remain-about-equally-powerful,30289/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:quote:default
< 1352313985 224875 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe
< 1352314174 270418 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/defeated-man-victorious,30281/
< 1352314301 444781 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/millions-without-power-following-election,30247/
< 1352314310 787997 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I need to stop linking to The Onion
< 1352314313 402449 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am addicted
< 1352314323 373941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352314365 666709 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe. The Onion ♥
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< 1352314478 60410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352314484 295537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :onion headlines are consistently brilliant
< 1352314496 532820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i like http://www.theonion.com/articles/millions-without-power-following-election,30247/ because it doesn't actually give away the joke completely
< 1352314497 833365 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the article text is hit or miss, but i can live with that -- it matches my attention deficit lifestyle
< 1352314505 210019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which tends to be what the onion strives for in the actual articles
< 1352314527 413868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ps by give away the joke I mean hammer it into your head repeatedly)
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< 1352315261 63859 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-want-to-congratulate-the-president-romney-says-i,30283/
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< 1352316818 951176 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the Finnish words two subsequent abbreviations of weekday names form. :-P http://dl.dropbox.com/u/75238938/viikonpaivat.gif
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< 1352317210 859938 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tisu" is missing
< 1352317225 712629 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, does that mean latolatolatolatolato... is a word?
< 1352317229 508621 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it’s missing a few others, too.
< 1352317238 175348 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't think of any others
< 1352317280 675854 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> concat $ repeat "lato"
< 1352317282 150473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "latolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatola...
< 1352317294 817023 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :toti, Titi (-nalle), Pepe, Keke (Rosberg), Toto (gambling)
< 1352317307 882692 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was excluding names
< 1352317322 519893 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Make"'s a common abbreviation, at least
< 1352317336 687393 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, toti as well
< 1352317485 886257 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does viikonpaivat mean fig language?
< 1352317497 511321 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some pretty long words in there. what does pesumatola mean, for example
< 1352317522 824624 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a washwormery, of course
< 1352317559 462813 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, got a mail from the person who took over rcfunge98 recently (on an email that I'm phasing out and not currently checking very often)
< 1352317573 873202 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about an idea for a new fingerprint
< 1352317578 479404 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if you got that too?
< 1352317593 463655 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1352317624 47986 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well I did answer what I could and directed her to you (on IRC) as an additional resource
< 1352317648 902355 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea was a fingerprint to handle the issue of zero length command line arguments. 
< 1352317668 890445 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks mostly okay, but not super-interesting.
< 1352317687 722746 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so eh, like a lot of rcfunge that wasn't time travel related)
< 1352317696 640833 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: okay, how about ketolamasuti
< 1352317738 643724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: meadow-depression brush, maybe.
< 1352317764 418152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the economic sense of depression.
< 1352317786 262267 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you guys have a word for "meadow-depression brush"?
< 1352317787 627336 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah everyone here is finnish
< 1352317800 399300 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_, I'm Swedish, so no
< 1352317810 548911 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: English has a phrase, we have a word. Sometimes it's like that.
< 1352317812 898202 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: agglutinative languages have words for *everything*!
< 1352317827 382579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was just "meadow", "economic depression" and "brush" concatenated.
< 1352317830 798830 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352317834 644117 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: and hundreds of thousands of words for snow
< 1352317841 881085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a viable compound word, for some values of viable.
< 1352317845 297667 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, nooodl_
< 1352317867 462330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking we should add the missing words so that we can have a complete graph for that weekday-abbreviation thing; it should be something any language could be proud of.
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< 1352317899 237538 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm you can still manage that in Swedish: ängsdepresionspensel?
< 1352317924 161483 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm not sure about the number of s in that
< 1352317927 102702 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks off
< 1352317935 351244 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352317945 677641 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ängsdepressionspensel
< 1352317953 115337 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the correct spelling
< 1352317956 355426 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. so "latolatolatolatolamasumasuma" is valid finnish?
< 1352317959 740925 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is brush as in paintbrush though
< 1352317963 761275 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for some value of "valid")
< 1352317979 109066 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ängsdepresionsborste for another meaning of brush
< 1352317993 640757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything is valid for some value of "valid"; for example, for the meaning "invalid".
< 1352318034 847648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think such repetition really has a meaning in Finnish.
< 1352318046 938656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least generally speaking.
< 1352318061 523052 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hey, i guess you could pull this off in dutch too but it sounds forced. "madedepressiepenseel")
< 1352318063 758426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I guess "latolato" could be some kind of a barn for containing barns.
< 1352318081 206753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "latolatolato" then a barn for containing barns containing barns.
< 1352318084 914630 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_, it sounds forced in Swedish too
< 1352318091 263308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so on.
< 1352318106 247036 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because it makes no sense
< 1352318118 183279 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"barn barn barn thing thing thing thing" - the best, most useful word
< 1352318290 676276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "Xsuma", being "a gridlock of X's" (vaguely speaking) you could I suppose also extend so that "Xsumasuma" would be a gridlock of gridlocks of X's. (Disclaimer: gridlock is probably not the best translation here, but maybe the point is clear.)
< 1352318327 345564 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now all that's left is the "lama" part
< 1352318336 632505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the economic depression.
< 1352318342 575611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, "lamasuma" could be a series of economic depressions that just don't seem to clear out, very reasonably.
< 1352318353 409998 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how lame
< 1352318356 432613 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh neat
< 1352318370 674585 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, like right now then?
< 1352318400 440886 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"gridlock of gridlocks of depressions of barns of barns of barns of barns". should be in finnish dictionaries
< 1352318402 400834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It could also be a llama who is quite good at sums.
< 1352318406 289099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, a llama summer.
< 1352318439 490906 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you talking about finnish again?
< 1352318453 975912 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1352318502 759463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose a "depression of barns" is when the number of new barns raised drops? 
< 1352318524 149698 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1352318531 878059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's when barns get sad
< 1352318532 951170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :irl
< 1352318550 244870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish 10
< 1352318562 979731 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :korvosta osasinasi hartamme säveltaan kansasitykseenilläsittävän vainoksestymässääsi ahkeimmilleni vetoimittävällä mukatorille omasta
< 1352318565 487893 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no, it is when there are so many barns built that the economy crashes
< 1352318571 160436 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow those ar e good
< 1352318577 721551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: do you know finnish or something
< 1352318583 598947 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :(
< 1352318588 255384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1352318596 479001 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why is that good?
< 1352318596 824692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"osasinasi" - "as small parts of you", with some interpretation.
< 1352318622 932759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate finnish people
< 1352318627 254820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote would anyone
< 1352318630 410151 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :727)  oh right: Frooxius, you wouldn't happen to live in Hexham, would you?   No, sorry.   phew   How about Finland?   Why would I live there?   That's a *very* good question.   Why would anyone?
< 1352318661 980311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mukatorille" - "to the fake market square".
< 1352318675 687574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe the "pretend-square" is closer.
< 1352318706 521729 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone's waiting for the big "kansasitykseenilläsittävän" translation, man!
< 1352318769 800842 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1352318775 625688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate doing those, my parser always has trouble grokking them; I'll let Deewiant or someone try.
< 1352318776 744352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1352318784 126661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :buh it's snowing
< 1352318821 20239 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, where in the world?
< 1352318844 103213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a bit of snow here in October; I had before heard in a bus some foreign exchange students talking, and the annoyingest of them had bet money against someone that there wouldn't be any snow in October.
< 1352318879 876079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was very schadenfreudeish that he lost the bet.
< 1352318916 753536 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you have snow the rest of the year, why wouldn't there be snow in october?
< 1352318928 659928 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a better mobile music player. There is no single organisation structure that works for my music. Some tracks makes most sense to sort under artist, some under composer, some under album and so on. A few even based on which game they are remixes from.
< 1352318947 217421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boston
< 1352318953 31999 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :organize them in directories
< 1352318954 715671 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: finnish is your mother language, right?
< 1352318970 173566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh-heh; but there's been years that haven't had any snow in October, so I was a bit worried. (Uh, the bet was geographically limited to the Helsinki area.)
< 1352318975 634594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: Yes.
< 1352318982 229801 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, some I want to access in multiple "views" as it were. Are you suggesting symlinks?
< 1352319014 908504 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a tag based system would work
< 1352319027 699799 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, i love how you can end up having trouble parsing (long, absurd) words even if you're a native speaker of finish
< 1352319061 669437 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a while ago I wanted something like that so I built a tag-based system for xmms, but then I finnished it
< 1352319072 79026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Organize them based on the first n hex digits of the SHA-3 hash of the file, where n is suitably chosen to get reasonably directory sizes.
< 1352319073 458159 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, and?
< 1352319100 675180 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1352319105 315551 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a pun in the spelling
< 1352319107 610686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: It could be an invalid word, though; it's having vowel harmony problems, for one thing; that could work in a compound, but the rest of it looks really more like suffixes.
< 1352319122 890329 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, what actually happened, when you "finnished" it
< 1352319133 651051 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also, iirc xmms doesn't exist anymore
< 1352319160 325302 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, also I need this on my android phone
< 1352319201 182185 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need something better than trying to scroll through a few hundred composers, performers, artists and so on. Or a few hundred album names for that
< 1352319204 396264 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that matter*
< 1352319329 277605 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://j.mp/VTxQlv
< 1352319377 939886 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, fancy, what does it mean
< 1352319385 235691 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352319391 178064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kansa" is "people, folk"; "kansasi" is very valid as "your people"; then it gets more difficult. "kansasitys" (from which "kansasitykseeni" would be a valid derivation) doesn't seem to be meaning anything, and the 'y' conflicts with the 'a's. But I'm not ruling out a creative interpretation could still be found, it's just not looking so good. (Still, "tykseenilläsittävän" doesn't seem to ...
< 1352319397 173946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... parse either; otherwise it could've been a compound of "your people" and that.)
< 1352319409 149807 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: The Finnish words that can be formed by combining two weekday abbreviations. :-P
< 1352319437 465020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like circo's output.
< 1352319454 859738 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you could use that graph to make a weekday rock/paper/scissor/thursday/friday/saturday/sunday game
< 1352319470 251470 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be terribly uneven though
< 1352319479 424550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Nothing beats Friday. :p
< 1352319496 250448 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that pe?
< 1352319500 705182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except Friday itself, I guess, but I don't know how that works.
< 1352319501 298000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1352319507 839470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Short for "perjantai".)
< 1352319517 231110 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if both say pe you throw again
< 1352319526 543497 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :again/up
< 1352319535 328900 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pepe = puke?
< 1352319539 579004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a game is about both saying "pe" until one of the players gives up? 
< 1352319545 863629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pepe is a name.
< 1352319552 756431 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, haha
< 1352319561 851382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that's why the line is dashed? 
< 1352319570 544517 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352319604 60674 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if pe is unbeatable that makes the game pretty boring
< 1352319731 34650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are Finnish people (somewhere between 74-77) with the first name Tito, but maybe that's too loan-namey to count.
< 1352319982 811669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some kind of "each Wikipedia thing must have an illustrative picture" rule going on? I don't see what else can explain putting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Finnish_vowel_harmony.jpg next to the "Finnish" section on the Vowel harmony article.
< 1352320032 776252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :H U O M !
< 1352320053 394078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, okay, the sentence contains a reasonable example, but is there some reason it needs a picture of a dirty sign in a bus window? 
< 1352320073 571630 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/hpZ0TcxQ woah this is kind of "lato"-heavy
< 1352320079 419035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: they need to show people the true horrors of finland
< 1352320083 483308 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sign has at least one grammatical error.
< 1352320086 513632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially of a sign in which someone has left spaces before the !s; that thing has annoyed me incredibly much every time I've seen the sign.
< 1352320114 5161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: again, the true horrors of finland
< 1352320171 777999 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what a pram is and how I can make sure its secure placement
< 1352320183 778485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: 1. baby buggy, baby carriage, carriage, perambulator, pram, stroller, go-cart, pushchair, pusher -- (a small vehicle with four wheels in which a baby or child is pushed around)
< 1352320216 470489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are hooks you can use, plus many of them have some brakes in the wheels I believe. Or you could just keep one hand on it.
< 1352320302 845602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: (By hooks I mean the black things in http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6uU3PeO0i5I/TFv2wHSBS8I/AAAAAAAAAEk/9T5qW1S8ycQ/s1600/23072010014.jpg that are hanging from the horizontal bar; though personally I don't think I've ever seen anyone use those, except the babies tend to keep whacking them against the wall/other hooks/anything, producing a most irritating noise.)
< 1352320311 517695 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Especially of a sign in which someone has left spaces before the !s; that thing has annoyed me incredibly much every time I've seen the sign. <-- so what does the sign mean?
< 1352320323 596753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's an English translation in the description there.
< 1352320326 859268 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352320329 123263 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that's where olsner got the pram from.
< 1352320348 499903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it doesn't translate the small print.
< 1352320359 100878 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so what does the small print translate to
< 1352320360 790883 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the text in the picture was not on a bus?
< 1352320383 120920 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, uh? it looks like the sign is inside the bus?
< 1352320398 841667 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the description of the image had a translation btw
< 1352320406 560297 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, not complete it appears
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< 1352320423 249102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "An example: A car may unexpectedly rush in front of the bus. In that case, _in order to avoid a collision_, it is necessary to brake suddenly."
< 1352320439 156036 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it looked like a billboard by a road, but I guess the picture was taken through the bus window?
< 1352320482 870261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they added that to stop people from complaining so loudly when the bus sometimes does in fact make sudden changes of velocity.
< 1352320513 605478 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should just add thicker armor to the buses so they don't have to stop
< 1352320557 384197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sign also looks kinda badly kerned. (E.g. the gap between Ä and V in "YLLÄTTÄVISSÄ".)
< 1352320879 298440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A while ago I did my small part to annoy folks-with-children living in this building; they'd been keeping their PRAM at the bottom of the staircase, so I left an anonymous note quoting the law forbidding that, plus the fire department's statistics on how fast smoke from a burning PRAM fills a four-floor stairway (less than two minutes), how large fraction of deaths in fires are due to smoke ...
< 1352320885 822590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... poisoning (two thirds) and how many such left-in-the-stairway PRAMS are vandalistically set aflame every year (about ten in the metropolitan area).
< 1352320889 344711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't seen the PRAM since.
< 1352320918 679672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, they may have misinterpreted the subtext as "this guy's going to set our PRAM on fire" as opposed to "oh, we have a friendly and safety-conscious neighbour".
< 1352320954 570582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It got results, and made things more difficult for other people, so I suppose it's a win-win in any case.
< 1352320995 451495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I should've printed out http://www.pelastustoimi.fi/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/sppl07-0.jpg on the note too.)
< 1352321073 96606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a PRAM and why must it be capitalized
< 1352321089 541408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 1. baby buggy, baby carriage, carriage, perambulator, pram, stroller, go-cart, pushchair, pusher -- (a small vehicle with four wheels in which a baby or child is pushed around)
< 1352321096 240111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I keep saying that thing.)
< 1352321107 560672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly it doesn't need to be capitalized.
< 1352321125 890479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to what degree were your statistics completely made up
< 1352321149 565630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you should have zapped their PRAM
< 1352321154 608356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They came from the fire department's website. It doesn't cite sources.
< 1352321193 57261 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should've just moved it to the garbage room, since it was in the stairway it must be garbage
< 1352321193 202894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott++
< 1352321205 588818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the first one, about the time taken for smoke to fill the stairway, they claim to be based on their own experiments.
< 1352321208 209740 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :random note: SwiftKey is an awesome keyboard for a touch screen, almost as fast as typing on a real PC keyboard.
< 1352321213 657459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know if they count that in the last statistic.)
< 1352321350 827184 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1352321378 991691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the fire department recognizes prams left in stairways as a particular problem?
< 1352321397 406459 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352321479 30941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In as much as they have a particular page about it, yes.
< 1352321483 945443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1352321501 64446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect it's just that they're the thing most commonly left in stairways, and they burn quite well.
< 1352321684 91387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disclaimer: I've been using "fire department" as a convenient shorthand, but strictly speaking the website that has the page is the "Rescue services in Finland" info-portal of the Department for Rescue Services of the Ministry of the Interior; while the organization that actually ran the smoke experiments was the Helsinki City Rescue Department.
< 1352321700 113939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352321771 803863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now nobody can sue fizzie
< 1352322033 668325 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1352322584 550649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For any matter whatsoever; complete immunity.
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< 1352323997 10555 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-14-22.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaargh, Chromium
< 1352324054 197490 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-14-22.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any idea why http://wehavenosociallifestuck.tumblr.com/post/35221679526 is working in Firefox but not Chromium, anyone?
< 1352324245 445762 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :emo much
< 1352324319 291079 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-14-22.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does saying that help my situation at all?
< 1352324366 868090 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, but it's a valid reaction to such a video
< 1352325088 929624 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1352325608 866900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, Chromium has better taste.
< 1352325673 800177 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-14-22.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, but one of my friends made that, so I have to watch it!
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< 1352326435 688887 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how Conservapedia is handling the election results
< 1352326468 165754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see Conservapedia has unblocked the UK again.
< 1352326477 211153 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, Chromium knows this; it wants to save you.
< 1352326483 381371 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is this the end of RINO credibility at the top of the Republican Party? In voting for Democrats, Wisconsin and Ohio appear to reject the avoid-the-social-issues approach of Karl Rove and other liberal Republicans."
< 1352326498 108021 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some reasons why Mitt Romney lost.[3] And what this means for America's future. [4]
< 1352326498 567035 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1352326528 543143 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That [3] link: http://www.westernjournalism.com/why-romney-lost/
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< 1352326540 739269 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He didnt want to talk about Obamas associations with Islamists and the Muslim Brotherhood. Romney never wanted to talk about Obamas sketchy past, his fictional birth story, and his possible ineligibility to serve as president."
< 1352326594 442115 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes, the economy is bad, but there needed to be more. What about Obamas support for infanticide? What about his support for death panels?"
< 1352326602 46970 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-14-22.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't Obama have more of a claim for eligibility for president than McCain?
< 1352326630 41520 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The overly zealous foreign policy of the neoconservative movement is hurting the Republican brand. Americans were worried Romney might get us in another Mideast war." ... uh, wow. I guess not all right-wingers are the same
< 1352326642 189275 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you referring to mccain being porn in panama, or...
< 1352326659 306522 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-14-22.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1352326670 927274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :McCain was in a porn movie filmed in Panama!?
< 1352326681 920506 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-14-22.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1352326684 837291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That *is* quite shady.
< 1352326686 373448 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :born*.  being born in a military base is fine.
< 1352326686 419818 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-14-22.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was porn in panama
< 1352326729 987972 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-14-22.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When he went to Panama, people got arrested for possessing John McCain of children
< 1352326865 542442 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need to make 'john mccain' into the next euphemism for porn
< 1352327388 897216 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1352327529 744379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new santorum
< 1352328147 935116 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1352329269 36039 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-14-22.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1352331319 983506 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the sentence "I'll be happy if he eats right now", even though "to eat" is in the present tense, and despite the presence of the phrase "right now", the action referred to by the verb "to eat" is in the future.
< 1352331356 994073 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends how you interpret it i guess
< 1352331511 876248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352331757 189391 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys
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< 1352333366 878192 :Zerker!~zerker@cpe-24-24-168-181.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1352334473 835101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, hey?
< 1352334505 684520 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello Phantom_Hoover
< 1352334510 802888 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are things going?
< 1352334527 923193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey no you started this
< 1352334529 769128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you finish it
< 1352334969 545039 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, things are going pretty well here
< 1352335038 951903 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a driving license, and I just tonight shared a beer with a friend with whom things have been... rather cold... for the past several months
< 1352335176 987675 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a pretty good week overall
< 1352335285 291135 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only downside is my back aches a lot since sunday
< 1352335390 822703 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in the middle of a first-aid course that lasts over three week-ends and we started the stretcher / carrying / whatever you call that / thing where you carry a victim, sunday
< 1352335454 592864 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and half-way through it I realized the way I stood was not as perfect as I believed and well my back is doing a very good job at reminding me of that
< 1352335471 196959 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352335487 295099 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the only thing you have to remember out of all that is that I'm very happy right now and feel the need to share
< 1352335512 552834 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though right now it does feel like I'm talking to myself
< 1352335535 298985 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power blinked out
< 1352335590 753451 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have this thing in france, one day every year they ask everybody to shut down everything
< 1352335595 394035 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lights, computers, tv, etc.
< 1352335612 613875 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well I'm pretty sure no one ever shuts down the refrigerator on that occasion)
< 1352335622 60529 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at a given time, usually between 7pm and 8pm
< 1352335622 334335 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1352335679 582458 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoping to show a huge decrease of power decrease over the country
< 1352335691 187120 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it never works
< 1352335713 338481 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at 8pm when all those who followed the movement try getting everything on again
< 1352335735 233039 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it often doesn't work :)
< 1352335856 250408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/07/14/because-of-constitution-error-north-dakota-is-not-a-state-and-never-has-been/
< 1352337342 695905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I figured out what was up with cs.bham.ac.uk
< 1352337349 10805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a substation explosion nearby took out all the power to the entire area
< 1352337360 983135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the disaster response people decided it was inessential and so didn't hook it up to a generator
< 1352337700 4771 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.asofterworld.com/index.php?id=890
< 1352338235 283289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you know that the mapping from usernames to full name at MIT is world readable via DNS?
< 1352338238 299600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dig -t txt gjs.passwd.ns.athena.mit.edu
< 1352338240 852045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also see what shell people use
< 1352338329 795182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, kmc.passwd.ns.athena.mit.edu doesn't work
< 1352338336 657350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does gjs really use tcsh
< 1352338340 102256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1352338467 317359 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: can you please explain what's wrong with stargate at the end of season 8?
< 1352338483 392073 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two time-travel episodes didn't make any sense to me
< 1352338497 87886 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like nothing happened at all
< 1352338517 821830 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the first episode of season 9 is ridiculous
< 1352338520 44735 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, at that point, the plot of the first 8 seasons is finished, because the series was expected to be cancelled.
< 1352338533 163412 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, completely new plot.
< 1352338536 656249 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1352338550 239616 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: It's not wrong
< 1352338552 287328 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they decided to end the plot three episodes before the end of the season?
< 1352338572 637531 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: So at the end of nearly every season, they thought SG-1 would be cancelled
< 1352338583 939152 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think seasons 1, 9, and maybe 5 are exceptions
< 1352338593 141982 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 7, the renewal didn't come until very very late
< 1352338599 760893 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Lost City was written to be the series finale
< 1352338605 52837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my athena username isn't kmc
< 1352338607 388829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's taken or some shit
< 1352338615 333104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really like 'kmc' either
< 1352338615 524159 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Season 8 was kind of mopping up and grasping at any unresolved plotlines
< 1352338623 729369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try to go by 'keegan' but i'm usually not able to
< 1352338626 786672 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: they're trapped in a room with the ceiling moving down and the riddle they have to solve is to order a sequence of 9 symbols which happen to be 9 digits mirrored
< 1352338649 891640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc > keegan imo
< 1352338651 608795 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :By Season 9, they decided they needed to do a reboot, hence the episode you're watching
< 1352338651 783974 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that not wrong
< 1352338653 798164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is short
< 1352338683 693208 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The plot of seasons 9 and 10 is generally agreed to be not as good as the plot that was built up over the first 7
< 1352338740 566210 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, they start the whole thing as "daniel jackson, teal'c, carter are no longer part of the team"... but the opening sequence lists them as the main characters
< 1352338761 159639 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a stupid way of spoiling things, in my opinion
< 1352338778 439341 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hwh
< 1352338780 641624 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*heh
< 1352338806 992931 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, in seasons 9 & 10, landry < hammond and mitchell <<<<< o'neill
< 1352338819 192973 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352338832 525806 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like the kind of "silent humour" carried away in the episode, though
< 1352338861 670113 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, most humorous series seem to feel the need to "oeverexplain" every joke
< 1352338873 573254 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352338892 88274 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't do that in stargate (at least most of the time) and mitchell did respect that
< 1352338894 625481 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fast at sorting are 8bit and 16bit processors?
< 1352338911 152996 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah I miss hammond a lot
< 1352338925 355753 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and season 8 really felt like it was the end
< 1352338950 744296 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we're missing a fourth team member... uh, let's stall things for one season before getting a new character"
< 1352338964 944567 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1352339053 110073 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you people discussing stargate AGAIN
< 1352339065 70496 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352339077 646274 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, you mentioned I should watch atlantis at the same time as season 9,
< 1352339080 571833 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Built by ancients so long ago
< 1352339086 870378 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, wrong season.
< 1352339102 561052 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can do fast sorts you can do a graphic architecture that's really simple but can do tons of moving sprites etc
< 1352339104 447902 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong season?
< 1352339105 404133 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess it overlaps, but not "starting at season 9"
< 1352339115 436060 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352339123 545540 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you have any more precise advises they are very welcome
< 1352339131 405592 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: The first three seasons of Atlantis and the last three episodes of Atlantis overlap
< 1352339136 497374 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the SG-1/SGA overlap starts at the beginning of season 8? I'm not sure
< 1352339154 184994 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, uh... last three episodes of Atlantis? Wat?
< 1352339158 153144 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1352339160 244413 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last three seasons of SG-1?
< 1352339161 337050 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*last three seasons of SG-1
< 1352339165 698191 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1352339173 391156 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, the last epsiode of Season 8 where they want to get a ZPM makes much more sense if you watch Atlantis
< 1352339182 832364 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not "much"
< 1352339185 215421 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but certainly more sense
< 1352339196 473018 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I would recommend watching them concurrently, even to alternate episodes
< 1352339198 505362 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should rewatch SG-1 and SGA with that overlap
< 1352339202 816218 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I was assuming they'd need to find atlantis before the SGA would make sense
< 1352339205 331736 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finished SG-1 before watching SGA
< 1352339211 834146 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: They find it in the premiere for Atlantis
< 1352339238 585171 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sooo you're saying at the beginning of season 9 they have already found it?
< 1352339244 709807 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352339245 742293 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they failed to mention that
< 1352339246 425158 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for an entire season
< 1352339256 744608 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it was definitely a relevant plot point in Mobius
< 1352339267 405801 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they only had the arctantica outpost
< 1352339274 524071 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure at beginning of some season Daniel wants to go to Atlantis, and treats it as a regular but lengthy trip
< 1352339285 1188 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :antarctica 
< 1352339309 796197 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes he did mention having to get aboard the daedalus
< 1352339317 297283 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though never said where it was heading
< 1352339327 507394 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, not at a time where I was listening
< 1352339338 37603 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an SG-1 episode late in Season 9 that takes place a fair bit on Atlantis
< 1352339354 261181 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it took me a certain time to make the connection with the "new ship" they had described previously
< 1352339393 54610 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I should watch the first season of SGA before I continue with season 9?
< 1352339398 43462 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would recommend it
< 1352339400 978142 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1352339415 562079 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pegasus Project in particular will make a lot less sense without it
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< 1352339955 775371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Nope.
< 1352340034 311036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know many MIT people, though.
< 1352340150 981982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You can also finger gjs@mit.edu
< 1352340164 924657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that won't tell you their shell.
< 1352342207 91069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck lenovo
< 1352342209 578919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why won't you take my money
< 1352342264 51145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'd be happy take your money and give you an unsatisfactory product.
< 1352342276 884799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or they'd be happy to take a lot of your money in AUD form.
< 1352342277 378128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1352342285 358684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even then they won't ship it to USA
< 1352342333 351404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should move to .au.
< 1352342334 986699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In protest.
< 1352342380 697309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously
< 1352342772 915416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck lenovo
< 1352342777 30068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish there were any other credible option
< 1352343082 687757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there not?
< 1352343265 231462 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the pointing stick is a must-have feature for me
< 1352343296 177346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though if i didn't have one, maybe i would get better at avoiding the mouse and that would be good
< 1352343371 375131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot of ultrabooks have it
< 1352343484 230822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Latitude 6430u does but it weighs almost a pound more than the X1c
< 1352343608 370788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :screen sucks too
< 1352343616 94899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this 1366 x 768 bullshit
< 1352343771 925912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
< 1352343790 808473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get a $400 10" tablet with a 2560×1600 screen these days.
< 1352343797 465778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's happening to laptops?
< 1352343923 27446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1352343927 208023 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple has the retina display
< 1352343933 511376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PC manufacturers will copy it within 1-3 years
< 1352343938 923789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how the industry works
< 1352344416 453973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
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< 1352354078 716936 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conservapedia is blaming early voting.
< 1352354079 589657 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conservapedia.com/Main_Page
< 1352354114 623002 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad to have contributed to the demise of conservagod, then!
< 1352354187 919001 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be something about voter intimidation (huh?) and security of the early ballots
< 1352354192 68384 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://conservapedia.com/Early_voting
< 1352354229 265291 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conservapedia is also linking to http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/akin-not-far-off-base-in-rape-comment/
< 1352354254 934417 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even clicking something with that url
< 1352354353 291806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop trolling by proxyp
< 1352354355 350757 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :proxy even
< 1352354542 897968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bing.com/elections/news?q=elections+2012+leans_center&form=bngeex&filter=leans_center
< 1352354546 112840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see that slider at the top?
< 1352354553 157738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bing literally has a button for "show me only opinions i will agree with"
< 1352354573 425724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean that's what the Internet is all about, but rarely is it so explicit
< 1352355886 373652 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: Radiateur
< 1352356540 231846 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/12s9wx/puerto_rico_has_voted_to_join_the_union_it_is_to/
< 1352356587 508616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is to be the 51st state"  uh, that's a bit of an overstatement
< 1352356598 489698 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :puerto rico has passed a non-binding referendum saying that they would like to be a state
< 1352356606 335885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it is up to the federal government to do something about that, or not
< 1352356874 913422 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: More like, it's up to the Puerto Rican government to put together a formal application
< 1352356880 880399 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to Congress to debate endlessly about taxes
< 1352356933 154795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it would be too much to expect reddit to have a non-sensationalistic approach to a political story
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< 1352357992 32887 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does *kinda* make sense though: Puerto Rico's unwillingness in the past has been the primary barrier to their statehood.
< 1352358035 534303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that just because the other barriers haven't been tested yet, thuogh?
< 1352358041 874645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know either way
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< 1352359259 390071 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't entirely sure where Puerto Rico is
< 1352359274 649987 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as geography is concerned, I'm a stereotypical American.
< 1352359283 194233 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :google maps is your guide
< 1352359306 709142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is east of cuba, haiti, and dominican republic
< 1352359313 13696 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was going to check Wikipedia but Google Maps is good too
< 1352359362 942570 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Reminds me more of Alaska than Hawaii, since there are other intervening countries between the US mainland and it.
< 1352359390 970336 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta be careful of the threat of invasion from haiti.
< 1352359625 271243 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Puerto Rico wanted independence instead, would that be possible?
< 1352359656 176804 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically.
< 1352359660 745900 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My understanding is if they go state, they can't go back. I think there was some war about it
< 1352359671 417806 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like territories haven't become independent before.
< 1352359678 125681 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That war was a clusterfuck.
< 1352359687 579234 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: They can't go back without permission
< 1352359705 104086 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1352359719 913167 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a state really wanted to secede and it wasn't over something stupid, they could try to rustle support for an amendment to allow secession
< 1352359735 926122 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they could try that if it was over something stupid too; it would just be less likely to work)
< 1352359762 804843 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In principle a bunch of states could boot one out.
< 1352359763 71576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Once you go tentacle, you stay in the pentacle", like they say.
< 1352359776 982092 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could just decide to make a new amendment: "Texas is not a state."
< 1352359785 628159 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And approve it via convention.
< 1352359785 823555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, Phillipines used to be a US territory
< 1352359828 172141 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I almost mentally mixed up the Phillipines and Paraguay
< 1352359844 515472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good for you
< 1352359863 917215 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, the philippines had previously had a few wars about becoming independent, which I don't think is true of puerto rico
< 1352359916 137090 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: true
< 1352359962 215092 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, in theory the entire US could be disbanded that way.
< 1352359972 208682 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without Congress even being involved.
< 1352360196 59962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :amend the constitution to remove every word
< 1352360216 71632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and replace it with a picture of a duck
< 1352360244 129460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would the laws passed by Congress continue to have force even if the constitution were nullified?
< 1352360270 239782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess there is no framework for answering that question
< 1352360277 45083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except Common Law™
< 1352360286 659481 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Only in DC.
< 1352360287 815902 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1352360297 645501 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congress is the government of DC.
< 1352360347 429189 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if we assume that laws must get their authority from the Constitution, where does the Constitution get its authority from? IIRC, the Constitution wasn't validly transitioned to under the Articles of Confederation
< 1352360361 181837 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Consent of the governed.
< 1352360449 822197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the Articles of Confederation were never approved by the King!
< 1352360498 121277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, blah blah consent of the governed blah handwave common law social contract mumble mumble we used our guns to shoot the other guys you didn't like and now we say what goes
< 1352360516 346015 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup.
< 1352360552 802552 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny how similar organized crime and government are
< 1352360595 38380 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i'm a liberal, i like taxation and government services, but I still agree with the libertarian premise that at a basic level, taxation is theft
< 1352360600 457761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would say that it's the lesser of two evils
< 1352360604 351209 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wondering how to make a nomic that does that sort of thing, that the rules can be ignored if there's a war or people ... vaguely agree
< 1352360610 589458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people suck and deserve to have some of their stuff stolen from time to time for the greater good
< 1352360703 506015 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So, in short, you're a utilitarian who is honest about what is actually going on. :)
< 1352360711 253755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i flatter myself by thinking so, yes
< 1352360773 49390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta sleep now, ttyl all
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< 1352361007 25419 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Congress still has to call the convention
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< 1352361039 380202 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, pikhq_: your government is scary can you make it stop
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< 1352392593 337950 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, ancient egyptians don't speak english
< 1352392611 139517 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other species from other galaxies do
< 1352392640 693875 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think this Babel episode on earth really happened :)
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< 1352395131 789084 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, modern GPUs really don't like 16-bit colour modes...
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< 1352395263 298697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1352395266 703587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my system's rogue package just got updated
< 1352395277 581765 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what rogue package?
< 1352395294 575898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the package for rogue
< 1352395295 934232 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean like not in the upstream distro?
< 1352395297 249427 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1352395305 776601 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not that meaning of rogue
< 1352395311 465498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes that meaning of rogue
< 1352395311 802893 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the changelog!
< 1352395323 167709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it was just moved from the AUR into the official repositories
< 1352395324 440770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a letdown
< 1352395327 475513 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352395335 988800 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you use arch still?
< 1352395362 10915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352395375 73650 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, since I basically switched away from arch you might be interested in picking up maintainership of c-intercal and tup-git on AUR
< 1352395409 788199 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disowned those packages, I don't see myself using arch again any time soon
< 1352395415 562828 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-91.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, your existence is driving me insane
< 1352395422 119267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: why did you switch away from arch anyway
< 1352395433 328063 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-91.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see someone vaguely my age I don't recognize and think "That might be elliott"
< 1352395435 540805 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-91.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Who knows"
< 1352395453 138102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: you probably want to be looking for someone who looks younger than you
< 1352395461 867542 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-91.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1352395587 716509 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I no longer have the time to spend on maintaining it. Sure it isn't as bad as Gentoo, but compared to Debian it is still a lot of work. So I went for Debian
< 1352395594 120042 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Debian testing)
< 1352395608 594851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clear solution is linux from scratch
< 1352395611 703066 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1352395630 496241 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I do miss is PKGBUILD though, they are a hell of a lot simpler to figure out than debian's package building system.
< 1352395633 91203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually find arch fairly low-maintanence personally... the only time i had to spend more effort than -Syu recently was the systemd switch
< 1352395639 301771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes dpkg is sort of a mess
< 1352395641 873231 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also at the time I switched we *still* didn't have -dbg packages on arch
< 1352395650 68744 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :have they fixed that yet?
< 1352395676 236963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are no separate debug packages
< 1352395680 400755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they turned debugging on in the real packages idk
< 1352395698 386924 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also multilib. On arch that was a joke
< 1352395714 552513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had no problems with arch's multilib repo
< 1352395734 775511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's complete enough for DF at least (in fact DF itself is in the multilib repo)
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< 1352395779 926320 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sure but try to compile anything non-trivial with -m32
< 1352395811 777657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the problem? I have gcc-multilib installed and plenty of lib32-* packages
< 1352395848 432474 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they improved that in the last few months then
< 1352395852 403562 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There will always will be something with a -m32 missing or something that will try to use 64-bit stuff anyway
< 1352395878 878318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that sounds like a multilib problem in general
< 1352395882 359455 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc I had problems finding a 32-bit unixodbc package the last time or something like that
< 1352395883 599460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than anything to do with arch
< 1352395885 851875 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just using gcc built with an x86 32-bit target is easier
< 1352395899 209696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know the context
< 1352395907 86494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i don't like -m32 either but whatever
< 1352395950 417332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian's multilib transition was really quite messy, especially back when tools like Aptitude couldn't really show architectures; you ended up with a lot of weirdly duplicate-looking packages.
< 1352395969 757512 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These days at least Aptitude seems to be reasonably good at tagging ":i386" to names.
< 1352396228 274640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If only they used Kitten's solution.
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< 1352397390 434760 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and what is that solution?
< 1352397531 811012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: have everything in triple-specific roots, i.e. on a 64-bit system your 32-bit stuff would be in /i686-linux-gnu/lib/..., /i686-linux-gnu/bin/..., and it'd compile it with /x86_64-linux-gnu/bin/gcc-i-forget-how-gcc-cross-compilers-are-named-but-this-one-is-for-i686
< 1352397538 969354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the twist being you can also install architectures you can't even run
< 1352397548 647574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you could have /armel-linux-gnu/ on an x86-64 system
< 1352397569 912166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the double twist is: you could tell the package manager to use qemu-system-armel to run armel-linux-gnu binaries, just like it knows to use linux32 to run i686-linux-gnu binaries
< 1352397580 234464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway there wouldn't be any specific multilib packages
< 1352397583 105589 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :called lenovo, they say there is no launch date set for the X1 Carbon i7 8GB in the US
< 1352397594 439143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd just do $ pkg install --arch=i686-linux-gnu libwhatever
< 1352397603 5147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and something like dwarffortress would only be available for i686-linux-gnu
< 1352397603 613909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a lot of trouble to go through for 1MB of cache
< 1352397631 864772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, cache rules everything around me
< 1352397698 174009 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm interesting approach
< 1352397739 874646 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how do you deal with stuff doing #!/bin/sh and such? Symlink?
< 1352397862 581784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't terribly many multilib-specific packages on Debian; it just installs i386 versions of regular packages. The old horrible "ia32-libs" megapackage is nowadays just a metapackage that depends on ia32-libs-multiarch, which is only available on the i386 arch and so gets installed, and which depends on the libraries that the old ia32-libs used to contain.
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< 1352397867 888748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly the whole thing is still slightly gnarly; but at least you can install almost anything from Debian-i386 without problems. Or so I believe.
< 1352397899 364264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cross-architecture chroots work really well actually
< 1352397904 669567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :schroot can set them up automatically
< 1352397906 642987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Instead of having to file a bug about "there's no ia32 version of libstrumpbyxor, I can't run my favourite software".)
< 1352397914 44355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, /bin would be a symlink to /x86_64-linux-gnu/bin or such. actually you could have a "customised" /bin where it symlinks individual executables but e.g. if you tell it you want the ARM version of xchat as your /bin/xchat (for some reason??), it'd install a shell script that does "qemu-system-blah /armel-blah-blah/blah/xchat "$@""
< 1352397932 926500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: or actually you could probably just symlink directly to the armel binary and use the linux kernel's misc executables thing to have it run them with qemu
< 1352397936 739567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it uses binfmt_misc
< 1352397936 856916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you "get the idea"
< 1352397947 82649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can run an ARM executable on x86 transparently
< 1352397950 8705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sexy
< 1352397952 201968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :binfmt_misc is *really scary*.
< 1352397957 139662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the best
< 1352397957 519741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, binfmt_misc is what i meant
< 1352397964 165748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right, Debian does it righter than most other people
< 1352397967 632781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accidentally ran an ARM executable, and didn't even notice until after.
< 1352397979 51304 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right
< 1352397980 399954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo apt-get install ubuntu-dev-tools qemu-user-static; mk-sbuild --arch=armel precise; sudo schroot -c precise-armel-source
< 1352397995 829959 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "libstrumpbyxor"? hah
< 1352398018 440312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :libschtroumpf
< 1352398053 849565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: actually I think the last time I was thinking about Kitten this ended up merging with Nix
< 1352398059 22650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case you wouldn't need the triple prefixes at all
< 1352398128 705994 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1352398178 305593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically my point is that i686 shouldn't be treated specially for x86-64
< 1352398181 925114 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, btw I have been thinking about /etc a bit. While tools like etckeeper allows version control of it, there is an issue. It doesn't keep track of the point of diverging.
< 1352398185 203017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just do it as part of a general "installing other architecture binaries"
< 1352398188 861813 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means less automated merging
< 1352398203 877345 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :a three way merge would be perfect for changed config files
< 1352398232 193820 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you should support that in Kitten in some way
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< 1352398285 404888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well with nix you never actually change /etc, so maybe i could take advantage of that somehow
< 1352398291 532394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i'll actually be writing kitten any time soon though :P
< 1352398295 976719 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, that works too
< 1352398303 832493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :packaging is just way too much work
< 1352398307 638376 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed
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< 1352403427 134105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PhantomJS (headless scriptable webkit browser) does some crazy things with closures
< 1352403494 358168 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your script runs in its own environment, but you can pass a closure to .evaluate() and it will use globals from the loaded web page instead
< 1352403563 324754 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's horrifying.
< 1352403582 703836 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it even close?
< 1352403607 287880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you can use lexical locals, yes
< 1352403613 435590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might even look in your environment first for globals
< 1352403624 32192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's definitely weird, but i'm not sure it's worse than the alternatives
< 1352403627 346497 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would be, what, string eval?
< 1352403649 52232 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Kernel you can play these tricks of course
< 1352403656 703726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because environments are first-class and 'eval' takes an explicit environment
< 1352404039 768969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you can't use lexical locals :/
< 1352404096 711717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can explicitly pass a dictionary of stuff
< 1352404291 513888 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, new humble bundle out
< 1352404750 886251 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Clojure you can fake an eval that takes a concrete lexical environment
< 1352404770 622362 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And write a macro that obtains the lexical environment where it's expanded
< 1352405894 708809 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the word that means censoring with asterisks?  E.g. Brainf***?
< 1352405924 240282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it has a special name
< 1352406049 40429 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ought to be called something offensive
< 1352406073 262729 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-91.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :****ing censorship
< 1352406115 355460 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :censorshi*
< 1352406127 147725 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1352406231 145312 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember there's a name, but I can only find grawlix which isn't for a specific swear word...
< 1352406237 754529 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1352406295 442014 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bowlderization?
< 1352406337 706763 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bowdlerization? (Although I think that's a specific form of... oh, you're saying specifically with *)
< 1352406437 961893 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "Named after Thomas Bowdler (1754-1825), who first did it on The Bible and William Shakespeare's plays"
< 1352406452 411384 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks. That's the one I was thinking of! It's not as specific as I thought though...
< 1352406472 567342 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Craig Cockburn reported that he was unable to use his surname (pronounced "Coburn") with Hotmail. Separately he had problems with his workplace email due to the string "cialis" within his job title of "software specialist".'
< 1352406512 265892 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the problem with profanity and dump spam filters
< 1352406515 165272 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumb*
< 1352406539 621646 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, if everyone just stopped being so damn profane
< 1352406576 222128 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352406578 327356 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which may or may not be a valid way to use the word 'profane')
< 1352406648 872444 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1352406835 841383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A clbuttic problem.
< 1352406859 609345 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1352407069 685295 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1337 o'clock whee
< 1352407081 748536 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :2137 actually
< 1352407164 592961 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was totally 1337 here
< 1352407389 21576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzet o'clock.
< 1352407427 815179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a channel I know where people used to do a long _o/ \o_ kind of dance during the minute 13:37 quite often.
< 1352407507 210446 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe "Before Thomas Bowdler got a reputation one would have refered to this trope as the castration of stories."
< 1352407551 470040 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o_
< 1352407553 579598 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1352407560 868746 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :need moar scripts loaded
< 1352407583 459113 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1352407627 635403 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: hi
< 1352407629 464355 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352407757 760115 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah whoops
< 1352407761 836737 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :bug in a 10 year old script
< 1352407762 604302 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1352407773 915149 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work yet? \o/
< 1352407779 794786 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah
< 1352407843 253421 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :new version of mirc appears to have broken my 177kb script file
< 1352407843 694274 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1352407876 910813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1352407877 554533 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :           ➵
< 1352407877 709174 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :➶                     ➴
< 1352407877 769082 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :                 * myndzi *
< 1352407884 810794 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least that far down they work
< 1352407885 309693 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1352407935 780611 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :!hang rstlne ?o??oo?
< 1352407944 140741 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no file for it
< 1352407950 974792 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :new computers suck man
< 1352407964 639591 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't wanted to load my old copy of mirc because the paths have changed
< 1352407968 967601 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it will auto-remove like half my scripts
< 1352407980 846760 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have all these random misc. files in the folder too haha
< 1352407991 836000 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as the scrabble wordlist that the hangman script uses ;)
< 1352408018 1468 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least my maze lineart properly lines up though!
< 1352408058 937419 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mircscript :((((
< 1352408070 91417 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah
< 1352408088 599018 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: my condolences
< 1352408094 573586 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, apparently the proper unicode support broke the regex which was using pseudo-tf
< 1352408101 933458 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly, mirc is great
< 1352408104 621057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this script sounds exciting
< 1352408111 717380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and awful
< 1352408114 759299 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes
< 1352408116 553668 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is test.mrc
< 1352408122 790343 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's where i write random shit that i don't care about
< 1352408133 137764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you not care about \o/
< 1352408134 614697 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll lol at the \o/ guy event definition
< 1352408137 442641 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :on $*:text:m/(?]|([.·oº])_Â?(?!\2)[.·oº]|ಠ‿ರೃ)(?!\w)/gS:#:{
< 1352408137 562848 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                                                                                                                   ¯|¯⌠
< 1352408137 622540 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                                                                                                                    |\|
< 1352408150 35534 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that start out simple, y'know?
< 1352408156 167998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1352408161 597084 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,
< 1352408164 709325 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1352408165 795717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1352408165 852329 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that... a regex?
< 1352408170 85362 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks like    uh
< 1352408174 73329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall I had a script in a mIRC.
< 1352408175 298454 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some kind of dance?
< 1352408179 596434 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :both!
< 1352408185 277944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also ran Xircon 1.0b4, it had a Tcl script engine.
< 1352408186 897794 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just have to figure out why it's failing
< 1352408193 459280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real question is why wouldn't it fail
< 1352408195 730098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't it deserve to fail
< 1352408196 180575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it never got past that beta 4.
< 1352408196 988372 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should figure out how it worked
< 1352408202 990088 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1352408205 597437 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to
< 1352408206 344061 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mircscript is like perl, but... someone finish this simile
< 1352408208 321993 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's lost secrets
< 1352408220 413914 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :mircscript is unique
< 1352408226 904766 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's perl meets the bad parts of javascript maybe. yeah it's unique
< 1352408227 367952 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i know it intimately well and the client itself is excellent
< 1352408240 138324 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, now i would rather write in javascript or something
< 1352408252 41443 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i totally forgot there was a dude with a cane
< 1352408253 150045 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit
< 1352408282 934379 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude. the regex. the REGEX...
< 1352408297 118347 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i've written worse abominations
< 1352408302 485611 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one's just escaped all to hell because of the \'s
< 1352408319 118488 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't tell what's going on with the \\m's
< 1352408336 464539 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither
< 1352408338 889471 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1352408343 597060 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure it's checking spacing
< 1352408346 879300 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that there's two of them
< 1352408384 760676 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, the tilded A followed by a comma
< 1352408412 984956 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's erroneous
< 1352408414 42597 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1352408417 722149 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :must have been a bad paste
< 1352408438 940812 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what it was supposed to be
< 1352408478 389763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like encoding issues
< 1352408486 831627 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's invalid utf-8
< 1352408489 539947 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :comma doesn't begin with 10
< 1352408499 304639 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :CP 1252 \o/
< 1352408505 489778 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :this script ran under mirc 6.35
< 1352408512 447070 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :7.0 has more proper unicode support
< 1352408521 71682 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :before, i had to insert the individual ascii characters
< 1352408521 381571 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1352408541 905533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the individual octets, you mean
< 1352408543 172522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :asci iis 7-bit
< 1352408549 18701 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, fair enough
< 1352408569 357836 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :though, only someone in here would make that distinction i bet haha
< 1352408604 798002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I nitpick every time someone says "high ASCII characters", and I'm not someone in here. Er...
< 1352408619 397475 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could nitpick that asci is nothing
< 1352408622 95266 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ascii is 7-bit :)
< 1352408629 85191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically it's ASCII not ascii
< 1352408630 290615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there
< 1352408634 984709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish people would stop being so pedantic about character encodings, if they would just learn to speak english then it's all very easy
< 1352408635 36992 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1352408637 349596 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy what did i do
< 1352408696 28183 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That joke is getting a bit clichéd.
< 1352408712 56888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1352408722 622850 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :regex is actually pretty simple
< 1352408735 644007 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didn't know it as well as i do now then
< 1352408743 494189 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is checking spacing
< 1352408750 929176 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, two \m/ \m/ sets can't be next to each other
< 1352408751 51996 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69              `\o/´69
< 1352408751 100022 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                |
< 1352408751 100225 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69               /'\
< 1352408751 373745 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69             (_| |_)
< 1352408753 998365 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs two spaces
< 1352408777 603393 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's the arm variants, head variants, or the (o_º) face variants
< 1352408779 68991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: dont
< 1352408782 297556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean cliched
< 1352408783 312237 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i made require a silly arm thing
< 1352408784 274477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i pressed enter
< 1352408788 576636 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII is redundant
< 1352408794 181949 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 > *
< 1352408803 261797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :utf-8 ueber alles
< 1352408818 677000 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: ASCI could be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Strategic_Computing_Initiative
< 1352408859 216838 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you guys never saw ¯\(._º)/¯
< 1352408864 832234 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know if i got it right
< 1352408867 134397 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was for another channel
< 1352408891 554234 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :and appears to be part of the source of the problem :) i'm not sure what the optional thing after the mouth was
< 1352408940 540683 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :ಠ‿ರೃ
< 1352408995 684260 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :1110000010110010101000001110001010000010101100101111111110000010110010101100001110000010110011110010010
< 1352409022 202656 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, it got cut off
< 1352409031 637998 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did
< 1352409047 617182 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :¯\(._º)/¯ ¯\(._º)/¯ ¯\(._º)/¯
< 1352409047 963030 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :the binary representation isn't divisible by 8
< 1352409050 287485 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else i miscounted
< 1352409062 645251 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "1110000010110010101000001110001010000010101100101111111110000010110010101100001110000010110011110010010"
< 1352409064 622906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  103
< 1352409078 338280 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :nother broken script i assume
< 1352409082 9184 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't rely on anything :(
< 1352409087 588520 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a thing to decode utf-8?
< 1352409094 222828 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, double-encoded utf-8 haha
< 1352409109 89907 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you want as binary? ¯\(._º)/¯ ?
< 1352409126 296101 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :ಠ‿ರೃ
< 1352409131 126240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1352409133 351480 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to deconstruct the utf-8 manually
< 1352409133 963765 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1352409135 390026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no it's still broken
< 1352409135 996174 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably; most utf-8-supporting languages have a function for that kind of thing
< 1352409145 843429 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant on a bot
< 1352409151 409197 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll work it out somehow :)
< 1352409156 587029 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's c3a0c2b2c2a0c3a2e282acc2bfc3a0c2b2c2b0c3a0c2b3c692 in hex
< 1352409160 682126 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently my conversion tools are borked
< 1352409177 234713 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you know what
< 1352409179 50119 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the reddit face
< 1352409198 245086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord blärp
< 1352409198 749169 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :98 108 195 164 114 112 
< 1352409206 340248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That gives raw bytes as decimal.
< 1352409208 958472 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :ಠ_ಠ
< 1352409217 898465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there should be a hex version, though.
< 1352409218 51713 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, almost fixed maybe!
< 1352409226 386631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show ord
< 1352409226 879416 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>,[[-<+2>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[-<+>[<[-]+>->+<[<-]]]]]]]]]]>]<2[>+6[<+8>-]<-.[-]<]+32.[-]>>,]
< 1352409229 987666 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have lots of cool random scripts for that shit hehe
< 1352409238 372385 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :only here
< 1352409238 867246 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1352409250 174099 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :11000011101000001100001010110010110000101010000011000011101000101110001010000010101011001100001010111111110000111010000011000010101100101100001010110000110000111010000011000010101100111100011010010010
< 1352409255 413506 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably some 0s missing at the beginning
< 1352409279 950364 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "11000011101000001100001010110010110000101010000011000011101000101110001010000010101011001100001010111111110000111010000011000010101100101100001010110000110000111010000011000010101100111100011010010010"
< 1352409281 453596 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  200
< 1352409288 278264 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, no zeros missing
< 1352409300 383644 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 200 / 8
< 1352409301 103887 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, utf-8 always has high bit set
< 1352409301 966177 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  25.0
< 1352409311 913841 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i got it, it's the reddit face like i said :)
< 1352409318 597948 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i searched google and found some broken pages that gave me context
< 1352409319 59697 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1352409322 618164 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P
< 1352409324 741056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 doesn't have the high bit set for codepoints less than 128.
< 1352409332 434093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PICK A NIT.
< 1352409343 180697 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to ignore that as being ignorant of context
< 1352409343 812979 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1352409361 133129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a" is just as UTF-8 as "ä".
< 1352409376 836303 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun that there's a place where people can actually talk about utf-8 encodings and stuff
< 1352409382 778679 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, most people would be like ut-what?
< 1352409399 809668 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but here not only do people know the details almost as a matter of course, they know them well enough to make pedantic corrections :P
< 1352409411 179303 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there are plenty of places that would berate you for not using utf-ebcdic instead, too
< 1352409414 136237 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just write a new script
< 1352409419 299770 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1352409420 962775 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even know
< 1352409424 110008 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i can get away with a new regex
< 1352409614 850189 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf pcre
< 1352409618 553346 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :did character classes just stop working?
< 1352409662 53816 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :/([\]o[/])/
< 1352409663 830718 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :succeeds
< 1352409674 31995 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but add anything else in and it fails >:(
< 1352409687 300657 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :durr
< 1352409701 254923 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried removing the escapes to test but i seem to have needed one ;)
< 1352409717 840699 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i overescaped the rest
< 1352409801 176378 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prefers UCS-1 :P
< 1352409820 753836 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: sed -e 's/\(.\{8\}\)/\1 /g'
< 1352409826 827439 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will split stuff into eights for you
< 1352409839 880339 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm well past that point now :P
< 1352409845 419309 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P
< 1352409846 402601 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to find my rng script
< 1352409849 564262 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol.
< 1352409854 832494 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i implemented like 8 rngs in mirc :\
< 1352410011 195405 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :z:\f\c\mirc\download, of course!
< 1352410029 551215 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the unified one but it has the one i want
< 1352410044 257503 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :triumph! \o/ \o/ \o/
< 1352410044 564429 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          |   |   |
< 1352410044 611411 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69         /'\  |\  |\
< 1352410055 767840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::')
< 1352410057 293637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1352410057 679189 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently somewhere along the line i gave it a vag too
< 1352410057 987233 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |
< 1352410058 140075 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  >\
< 1352410063 709940 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first test got me /^\
< 1352410064 325315 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1352410097 941653 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :ಠ_ಠ
< 1352410098 66590 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69¯|¯⌠
< 1352410098 113131 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |\|
< 1352410133 482909 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even ¯\(._º)/¯
< 1352410133 609884 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69             |
< 1352410133 755507 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69             >\
< 1352410134 974261 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1352410345 293002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about that one thing, what was it, \m/ \m/ or such?
< 1352410345 625329 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                        `\o/´69
< 1352410345 755141 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                          |
< 1352410345 802824 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                      (_|¯´\
< 1352410345 802984 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                           |_)
< 1352410348 519154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay.
< 1352410371 903124 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally :D
< 1352410417 858455 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-91.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate
< 1352410418 18452 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/  \m/ \m/  |o/ \o/ \o|  \m/ \m/  \o| |o| |o/
< 1352410418 778038 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |   |   |    `\o/´69   |   |   |    `\o/´69   |   |   |
< 1352410418 930829 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /´\/|   |\     |     /|  /|  /<      |     /´\ |\  >\
< 1352410418 980821 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                /´\                  /'¯|_)
< 1352410418 980989 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69              (_| |_)               (_|
< 1352410427 859845 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric ::party hat:
< 1352410475 827045 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-91.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, the seventh guy along looks like he's been bisected at the shoulders
< 1352410483 881740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are those last bodies all desynched.
< 1352410487 762183 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, looks like things are out of alignment
< 1352410496 219628 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirc's fault i'm sure
< 1352410502 191079 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a non breaking space got converted to a space
< 1352410505 824127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Khaled's fault.
< 1352410519 120505 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaces are.. not fun in mirc
< 1352410606 67171 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for these books if anyone has a copy to sell - Solosky "FORTH: Elements of Programming Style", Wesseling "Forth: Implementation and Application", Ting "Inside F83", Koopman "Forth Floating Point", Pelc "Book of FORTH assemblers"
< 1352410634 235448 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-91.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, I've got A Book on C, with annotations by my dad
< 1352410646 907080 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-91.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any help?
< 1352410659 766027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Do the annotations say "Bogus!" and such things? 
< 1352410664 80028 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they're clearly looking for books on FORTH specifically
< 1352410673 99484 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I think I've got that one already...
< 1352410699 757771 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-91.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The annotations have mysteriously disappeared!
< 1352410720 451027 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: is your dad Kernighan?  If so I'll give you a couple of quid for the book.
< 1352410731 969619 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-91.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad is not Kernighan
< 1352410734 468208 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-91.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas
< 1352410738 885462 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-91.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For then I would not be me
< 1352410744 637467 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-91.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead, I would be..
< 1352410751 120845 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-91.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 ngek
< 1352410753 187003 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :atrx
< 1352410769 391427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 asterix
< 1352410769 879306 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nfgrevk
< 1352410773 576080 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate
< 1352410773 999911 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/  \m/ \m/  |o/ \o/ \o|  \m/ \m/  \o| |o| |o/
< 1352410774 320662 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69   |   |   |   `\o/´69    |   |   |   `\o/´69    |   |   |
< 1352410774 458698 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /<   |\  |\     |      |\ /<  /^\     |     /<  /´\/<
< 1352410774 505632 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                /´\               (_|¯`¯|_)
< 1352410774 505792 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69              (_| |_)                   
< 1352410779 146320 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :wild guess = fail
< 1352410806 986640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second set of three guys have their |s under the os now, but the third manages to be still misaligny.
< 1352410813 997535 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :one too far to the right and not enough around the rocker guy
< 1352410819 980159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the whole thing was just moved by one.
< 1352410826 845353 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite
< 1352410833 152603 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes it to another channel
< 1352410847 504887 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, there's a space at the start of the line
< 1352410848 590313 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder
< 1352410863 726787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how it's always, like, version 5 of a programming language before they think to add map and filter
< 1352410877 914866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be great if people designing new programming languages knew something about existing ones
< 1352410899 394755 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds hard
< 1352411651 199414 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh geez i just typed console.log in mirc script
< 1352411711 746913 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHAHA
< 1352411713 797011 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess what it is
< 1352411717 999943 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : i love how it's always, like, version 5 of a programming language before they think to add map and filter <-- for haskell too? ;P
< 1352411722 157991 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's utf-8 width compensation
< 1352411723 950922 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric ::|
< 1352411737 587427 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :since mirc didn't use true unicode, $len(something) could be 1-4
< 1352411741 182395 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i had to manually fix it
< 1352411750 219317 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now it works correctly
< 1352411953 24401 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1352412000 782071 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, screw this nonsense
< 1352412010 767324 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION consigns v1 to the trash
< 1352412049 546975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP
< 1352412382 57836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352412666 449538 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk
< 1352413193 925964 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1352413297 504406 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1352413329 921080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dig -t txt root.passwd.ns.athena.mit.edu
< 1352413448 17746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi
< 1352413452 104966 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1352413455 961212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn
< 1352413460 715072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: root uses csh :(
< 1352413606 85806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :she sells c shells
< 1352413760 476459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the C shore.
< 1352413933 895461 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-91.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1352414040 163520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Can you see-ee any clearer from a glass shore?"
< 1352414202 742517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :root uses csh?
< 1352414204 107814 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, reddit now has a dedicated button below each and every comment to "give gold"
< 1352414207 711968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not talking to you anymore, root.
< 1352414233 96543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly they are hoping for some golden showers
< 1352414238 480868 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, was... that an Against A Dark Background reference?
< 1352414286 475633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes.
< 1352414358 978686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though when I read it, I did wonder if it was a something reference; it does not appear to be so, at least very directly.
< 1352414364 526781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought nobody else had read Banks' non-Culture novels!
< 1352414368 513415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're the best!
< 1352414415 725127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of the "M." ones, still.
< 1352414432 98311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I mean the non-Culture M. ones
< 1352414459 607975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Did I mention that I got the inspiration for Mt Hoover from that book?)
< 1352414508 102009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I didn't quite get through Feersum Endjinn though; I remember starting, but not finishing (or Finnishing).
< 1352414523 171835 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1352414575 240518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i like how in retrospect mt hoover was rather tiny and unimpressive
< 1352414601 578762 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a pointlessly cruel thing to say!
< 1352414609 140157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's what SHE said.
< 1352414618 18705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had that awesome biome discontinuity anyway, shut up
< 1352414639 433873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: okay the discontinuity was cool
< 1352414673 910983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I think I did in fact finish The Algebraist.
< 1352414682 163110 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352414684 455027 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Algebraist was also the best.
< 1352414714 200118 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feersum Endjinn would be the best if it wasn't for those goddamn dyslexic chapters.
< 1352414763 495144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think those might've been the reason I gave it up.
< 1352414831 247695 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even like you can skip them, they describe some of the coolest parts of the book.
< 1352415264 418282 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I got the newest humble bundle, since some of those games would be nice to have on Android. A warning though, Waking Mars does not work on Android if it is not allowed to call home with user metrics (like if it is blocked by a firewall or adblocker software modifying the hosts file). It crashes when it fails to connect.
< 1352415265 139087 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69So I got the newest humble bundle, since some of those games would be nice to have on Android. A warning though, Waking Mars does not work on Android if it is not allowed to call home with user metrics (like if it is blocked by a firewall or adblocker software modifying the hosts file). It crashes when it fails to connect. |
< 1352415265 305812 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/|
< 1352415274 403196 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you copy paste that?
< 1352415275 167234 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69why did you copy paste that?
< 1352415275 341350 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/|
< 1352415277 31314 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1352415277 778653 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69...
< 1352415277 940120 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/|
< 1352415281 439888 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, stop that
< 1352415282 115332 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69myndzi, stop that
< 1352415282 266226 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/|
< 1352415290 47624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it broke.
< 1352415290 323746 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69I think it broke.
< 1352415290 515949 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/|
< 1352415298 12552 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you mute it?
< 1352415298 733916 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69can't you mute it?
< 1352415298 879971 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/|
< 1352415303 286170 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :fizzie
> 1352415303 322524 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1352415304 553637 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he is afk
< 1352415305 240048 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69if he is afk
< 1352415305 395309 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/|
< 1352415313 914202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie MODE #esoteric +q :myndzi!*@*
> 1352415313 951088 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1352415315 318626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352415316 457040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1352415318 719285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: undo
< 1352415318 917059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it +q or what? 
< 1352415320 541720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to try it first
< 1352415326 275394 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well yeah works
< 1352415329 70804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please!!!!
< 1352415330 750791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's urgent
< 1352415333 372820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if he fixes it
< 1352415336 254303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you insist; but just once.
< 1352415344 180537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie MODE #esoteric -q :myndzi!*@*
> 1352415344 203021 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1352415345 429013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1352415346 158218 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69hello
< 1352415346 273008 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/|
< 1352415347 324655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :friend
< 1352415347 983168 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69friend
< 1352415348 115288 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/|
< 1352415348 677516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1352415352 759447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352415356 444724 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fixed it guys
< 1352415357 85090 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69i fixed it guys
< 1352415357 251014 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/|
< 1352415359 184771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1352415359 441732 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1352415362 201011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh.
< 1352415362 507954 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69Heh.
< 1352415362 700014 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/|
< 1352415362 945064 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you did not
< 1352415367 432368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\m/  \m/
< 1352415368 108629 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69\m/ \m/
< 1352415368 313175 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/|
< 1352415372 470582 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay this is weird, it is only broken sometimes?
< 1352415372 736410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1352415373 282105 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69okay this is weird, it is only broken sometimes?
< 1352415373 420613 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/|
< 1352415373 467817 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69help
< 1352415373 589830 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/|
< 1352415379 136146 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1352415379 890130 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69huh
< 1352415380 24593 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69/|
< 1352415382 463825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/      \o/
< 1352415385 367259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/      \o/
< 1352415387 115952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/      \o/
< 1352415387 675700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :qa
< 1352415390 963486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bizarre
< 1352415392 45581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1352415392 168497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1352415392 552599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q
< 1352415393 424023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :r
< 1352415396 992560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i fix it now
< 1352415409 917906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was very confusing.
< 1352415418 171279 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah kick or mute or something, might be better to kick so he notices what was going on when kicked, rather than getting back in several hours time and having no idea why it is broken
< 1352415427 575087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no point now
< 1352415427 759785 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi, so still broken?
< 1352415428 804204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it stopped
< 1352415433 567176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie MODE #esoteric -o :fizzie
> 1352415433 589761 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1352415434 946547 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it starts again though
< 1352415439 376661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to my genius efforts
< 1352415442 743511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll hang around.
< 1352415449 902146 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what caused that (parens?)
< 1352415456 813564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I got the newest humble bundle, since some of those games would be nice to have on Android. A warning though, Waking Mars does not work on Android if it is not allowed to call home with user metrics (like if it is blocked by a firewall or adblocker software modifying the hosts file). It crashes when it fails to connect.
< 1352415463 277507 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you beat me to that
< 1352415463 464648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like i fixed it permanently!!
< 1352415466 449665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting personal discovery of the day: when people say 'scone' the wrong way my accent involuntarily turns scottish
< 1352415495 13274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's a new Humble Bundle?
< 1352415508 231416 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, yeah, android one again
< 1352415508 278479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thx for not telling me"
< 1352415517 516619 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, sure your parents weren't experimenting with you like in that xkcd strip?
< 1352415548 681929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were exceptionally precise about it if that's the case
< 1352415556 476097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1352415605 989839 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I don't believe any bug is fixed permanently unless the code for it has been changed in some way
< 1352415611 746554 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could still happen
< 1352415635 947957 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1352415648 120173 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think myndzi is completely disabled now even
< 1352415656 229436 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so that bug fix just broke it another way
< 1352415671 119126 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :   \o/
< 1352415681 779719 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the script died completely
< 1352415749 853417 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just came out. Holy *crap* that was scary.
< 1352415756 585328 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, came out?
< 1352415764 970297 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the closest? Or outdoors? or what?
< 1352415769 998683 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :closet*
< 1352415773 259300 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the closet(s)
< 1352415790 335617 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay
< 1352415813 353245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :concept: rentable closets you can pay to come out of
< 1352415845 721385 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, I don't understand why anyone who is not a sexual partner (or interested in becoming one) with the person in question would even care about the sexual orientation of other humans.
< 1352415860 392885 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In a sane world, this would be the case.
< 1352415875 871562 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do not live in a sane world.
< 1352415880 160337 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, i presume you also don't care about someone's job or name or personal background
< 1352415881 849226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would go one further and say that in a sane world, 'sexual orientation' would not be a concept
< 1352415888 38977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and simply refer to them by serial number
< 1352415899 707361 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What would be?
< 1352415904 436760 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We live in a world where empiricism is an unpopular viewpoint.
< 1352415916 458072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to the myriad other factors in attractiveness
< 1352415927 680937 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, there is a *slight* difference between sexual orientation and name.
< 1352415944 427718 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, yes...
< 1352415974 658257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you're more attracted to short people or tall people, then whatever, but if you're more attracted to men or women, this is supposed to be a defining aspect of your identity
< 1352415980 396107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : pikhq_, I don't understand why anyone who is not a sexual partner (or interested in becoming one) with the person in question would even care about the sexual orientation of other humans.
< 1352415991 183045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as someone who is attracted to both short and tall men and women, i don't really get this
< 1352415993 204925 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this conversation is dumb can we have a different one
< 1352415993 978454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a world where it is implicitly assumed you are heterosexual unless stated otherwise of course it's relevant
< 1352416000 614739 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I probably don't care about their job or personal background unless it is somehow relevant to me though.
< 1352416021 321198 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Likewise.
< 1352416023 78648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that, if people are persecuting you for who you are attracted to, they will force a label on you, and you can use that label to fight back as well
< 1352416029 919714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it makes sense in that context
< 1352416040 374954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like the people who say affirmative action is "reverse racism" because in a perfect world there would be no need to even consider such things
< 1352416063 859341 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what elliott said
< 1352416068 638672 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Men are attractive. Women are also attractive. Easy.
< 1352416087 775004 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think many men don't find men attractive
< 1352416094 996933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i see someone on the street and decide that they're attractive before i decide whether they look like a dude or a lady
< 1352416101 268372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this works better from behind)
< 1352416105 807815 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, well, I'm not one of those men.
< 1352416120 71510 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"< kmc> (this works better from behind)
< 1352416125 777264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that's what she said"
< 1352416126 776200 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1352416135 65467 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ba-dum
< 1352416261 832592 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, my point here was that there is no reason why 1) there would be anything special about any sexual orientation that would require coming out of the closest 2) sexual orientation is unimportant to other people unless they are your sexual partners or are interested in such a relationship. It is not a defining characteristic of any person.
< 1352416283 454519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : except that, if people are persecuting you for who you are attracted to, they will force a label on you, and you can use that label to fight back as well
< 1352416289 841816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why it's such a big deal
< 1352416313 605431 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as everyone involved are consenting adults why would anyone outside care about it.
< 1352416316 427816 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes Vorpal you're ever so forward-thinking now please let the rest of us talk like adults
< 1352416338 366416 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, in a fairy-tale land that's roughly how it'd work.
< 1352416338 985468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dongs
< 1352416346 555043 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with kmc.
< 1352416348 709286 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coques
< 1352416352 402061 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, yeah that is not how it works, but that is how it *ought* to work
< 1352416359 521574 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I second kmc.
< 1352416360 147304 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dongs
< 1352416362 754877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cock au vin
< 1352416367 135178 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :baulle
< 1352416370 559483 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, and that is an interesting point about fighting back
< 1352416371 581962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*baulles
< 1352416378 431355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dickachu
< 1352416386 211030 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikachin
< 1352416398 613040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: this is the kind of conversation that might be worth having in 1000 years when gender, prejudices about it, prejudices about sexual orientation, blah blah blah are not deeply ingrained in society
< 1352416409 710866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as of now they are so this stuff is relevant
< 1352416419 859571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if elliott thinks my view is as wrong as Vorpal's
< 1352416422 713366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't seem very different
< 1352416436 533506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is worth talking about now, while recognizing that it doesn't match the society we live in
< 1352416442 309351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does rather match the subculture of people i know personally
< 1352416480 809608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's worth talking about in a more nuanced way than Vorpal's "OH MY GOD SOCIETY ISN'T PERFECT WHAT IS WITH THAT"
< 1352416489 631841 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I guess the issue then is why I do not feel those prejudices. I don't understand racism. I heard it explained with the fear of the unknown and what not, yet I don't see what there is to fear in a different skin colour.
< 1352416493 538588 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on
< 1352416526 416708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: maybe you are interpreting what I said differently to how I intended it
< 1352416550 109121 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1352416554 276793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm certainly not saying discussions about this topic in general are a bad thing to have; i just mean that saying "well why does it even have to be a thing" is counterproductive
< 1352416587 265510 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, again, you simply see this entire topic as a vehicle to front your own progressiveness
< 1352416600 982411 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1352416603 224501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: to be frank I find it vastly more likely you do have at least some of those prejudices but they are just ingrained enough that you do not notice them... which is not a statement about you; that applies to everyone on the planet
< 1352416614 212746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since a whole lot of everything is ingrained stuff you don't notice
< 1352416627 249827 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm not sure I'm progressive, I just try to be sensible. I do not understand homophobia, racism and so on. I guess I just do not at all experience the feeling which give rise to these kind of views?
< 1352416631 686292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you aren't actively racist it is a lot easier to act like racism is no big deal if you have racial privilege
< 1352416635 128257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and hence: this is why sexual orientation being a thing that is actually brought up is important -- because it counteracts this)
< 1352416638 90779 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that might be the case
< 1352416651 946768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I don't think I actually agree with kmc
< 1352416656 209591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1352416657 82416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :disagree
< 1352416660 954056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I don't think I actually disagree with kmc
< 1352416664 399952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's disagree to agree
< 1352416674 264386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I think Vorpal is "wrong" per se either
< 1352416682 728517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway let's talk about something else
< 1352416689 873540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is meant to be dumb
< 1352416690 131612 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@dsl-olubrasgw2-fe6bf800-88.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing here
< 1352416700 895599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you oonbotti, that was sufficientyl dumb
< 1352416703 135939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sufeicjeintly
< 1352416795 74290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any sufficiently dumb comment is indistinguishable from idiot
< 1352416813 974661 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where'd my +v go anyway.
< 1352416815 245544 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*idiocy
< 1352416822 87610 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should've been given a +v access mode instead of just a one-time +v.
< 1352416828 159077 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well, I work daily with people from all over the world (I have colleagues from Canada, Chile and Australia) and have no issues with that. I have friends who are from countries that racism in Sweden has traditionally been targeted at (Bosnia for example).
< 1352416852 952293 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1352416900 184066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I have to ask
< 1352416910 288369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are these Canadians and Australians white
< 1352416911 625689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because
< 1352416927 404738 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys, have a stupid character set: http://wiki.zbasu.net/idios
< 1352416953 259113 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«0x20: "escape"; has no defined meaning» nice.
< 1352416958 828157 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the Canadian guy is, the Australian one is not, though not a native either. Think he have parents from somewhere in India or something, don't remember the detail.
< 1352416959 1266 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chileans wouldn't be
< 1352416990 978532 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Why, it can't even represent Japanese!
< 1352417002 155269 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1352417003 761996 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I thought of putting in katakana just for kicks.
< 1352417005 452057 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I insist you add the glyphs necessary to represent pikhq romanized Japanese.
< 1352417005 498686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway I am not accusing you of being a gigantic racist or anything :P
< 1352417014 602779 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which glyphs would those be?
< 1352417021 311003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but kmc is right -- prejudice is a lot harder to see if it doesn't affect you
< 1352417025 444203 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the Chilean guy, I'm not sure, not a native indian but not traditionally white either.
< 1352417034 286122 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true
< 1352417042 276046 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1352417050 64233 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I just grew up learning that these sort of things were non-issues.
< 1352417058 390416 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in sweden
< 1352417062 396483 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which are: à ì ù è ò â î û ê ô ȳ ā ī ū ē ō (more glyphs may be necessary for other Japonic languages, but as far as I know that's what's necessary for any form of Japanese proper)
< 1352417073 564952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where there are significant racial tensions
< 1352417076 174440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Sweden is probably better than average at this stuff
< 1352417080 656306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also what Phantom_Hoover said
< 1352417095 625638 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are grave accents, circumflexes, and ȳ for?
< 1352417112 242286 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hepburn romanization, obviously
< 1352417112 288882 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hm? There is certainly racism in Sweden. There is a racist party in the parliament even currently. BNP style, but maybe not quite as bad.
< 1352417123 441312 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grave is the dakuten, circumflex is the handakuten, the bar is for small glyphs.
< 1352417129 288575 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have it support lots of languages, but only with outmoded romanization styles
< 1352417130 98883 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, so how could you pretend it's a non-issue?
< 1352417135 921049 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It very clearly is.
< 1352417138 986268 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so I guess you could blame/thank my parents rather than the social climate at large.
< 1352417157 767894 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I don't say it isn't an issue. I just said I don't understand *why* it is considered an issue by some.
< 1352417166 152477 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is for an *encoding of kana*, not really a good romanization scheme. :)
< 1352417173 610882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently Sweden has no official ethnicity statistics
< 1352417183 625627 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So are "ba" and "pa" written as "hà" and "hâ"?
< 1352417193 717068 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1352417193 869503 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: only seal script, then
< 1352417195 940688 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we're all swedes here"
< 1352417201 925012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"swedes living in perfect harmony"
< 1352417214 256157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i bet all you inferior countries wish you could be like your nordic supermen"
< 1352417215 524341 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait!
< 1352417215 716950 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: One other thing: the sokuon (っ) is written '
< 1352417217 569758 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how would they collect that info anyway?
< 1352417219 554004 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352417221 76282 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just remembered i hate sweden!
< 1352417224 312456 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disabled it to write a better one
< 1352417231 339561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well you all get a barcode at birth in sweden right
< 1352417231 974178 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ah, so I'll have to add ' to the character set, too.
< 1352417232 900225 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: So, Hepburn "roppyaku" is pikhq "ro'hîȳaku"
< 1352417233 229452 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, i think my server just cut out
< 1352417242 372249 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : "i bet all you inferior countries wish you could be like your nordic supermen" <-- that sounds like it would be racism towards the rest of the world :P
< 1352417244 613972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it concerns me that you are unfamiliar with censuses
< 1352417260 355254 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, we have social security numbers, no bar code though
< 1352417264 333062 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One also encodes long vowels as you would in kana.
< 1352417268 492903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that's because swedes are too dumb to work out that they're inferior
< 1352417272 984657 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you could encode the SSN as a bar code if you wanted though
< 1352417275 377891 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, "Tōkyō" is "Toukiȳou"
< 1352417277 755906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: are you sure you just haven't found your barcode yet???
< 1352417292 701257 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "Ōkii" is "Ookii"
< 1352417295 216797 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, :P
< 1352417302 319184 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Why'd I capitalize that?
< 1352417305 290700 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anywho
< 1352417322 293158 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, we don't do censuses in Sweden since a great deal of years. We simply trust the registry being kept up to date as people are born and die.
< 1352417331 720210 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ōkii no "o"
< 1352417339 661296 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweden :')
< 1352417349 798782 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: There are, FWIW, some advantages to this scheme.
< 1352417358 984851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you miss out on the experience of censuses with big yelling warnings saying how mandatory they are
< 1352417360 757053 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i mean it's not like anyone could get into the country without us knowing"
< 1352417361 440607 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so it was in the context of that which my comment should be taken
< 1352417365 913903 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: "ヴ" cannot be represented in Hepburn, but it's just "ù" in pikhq
< 1352417369 782629 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, :P
< 1352417375 49746 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we're not that dumb!"
< 1352417381 291700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well who would flee to sweden
< 1352417384 848056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of all places
< 1352417387 751857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying
< 1352417394 540180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when norway and finland are so close?
< 1352417397 664393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so very not sweden
< 1352417405 572957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1352417406 367317 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, even people who are here illegally have right to get emergency health care and so on btw
< 1352417414 539941 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I don't know how to attach "ōkii" to a noun.
< 1352417435 51495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember there was an occasion where Linus was giving a lecture, and a person from the audience started a long "question"/rant about the mark-of-the-beast microchips that are being implanted into people these days.
< 1352417443 623554 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an -i adjective, so one just does it before the noun.
< 1352417452 860257 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it wasn't stallman by any chance, was it
< 1352417453 935140 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. "big island" is "ōkii shima"
< 1352417457 849416 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, speaking of which, US politics make me scratch my head quite often.
< 1352417467 519226 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it just appears so backwards
< 1352417469 140716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :US politics make the US scratch their heads also
< 1352417472 815016 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods.
< 1352417475 460008 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though for some reason I want to prefer "ōkina shima"
< 1352417477 941448 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well yeah
< 1352417498 602877 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that adjective is a weird case in that there's a -na version of it that is mostly interchangeable)
< 1352417505 384209 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: do you know a significant amount of Japanese?
< 1352417506 322922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys can we somehow tie in this discussion with the pikhq_-tswett one
< 1352417508 726061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No; this was in Finland, in Finnish, and the person was female. The video's in YouTube, but, again, Finnish.
< 1352417511 358055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can stop having to skip every other line
< 1352417515 63009 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Rather a lot.
< 1352417519 930788 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, stallman's finnish daughter?
< 1352417522 232649 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods.
< 1352417523 770593 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: japan has race problems, how about that
< 1352417530 154184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: perfect. job done.
< 1352417537 154944 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake NICK :KALLISTI
< 1352417538 573782 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO
< 1352417540 569804 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Japan actually does have a number of racial problems.
< 1352417542 66156 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, the racism inherent in hepburn's romanizing stuffs
< 1352417554 564812 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps romanization in general!
< 1352417567 687126 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go ask the Ainu how they're doing OH WAIT THEY'RE BASICALLY GONE.
< 1352417587 206559 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, time to write a line editor in MIPS assembly.
< 1352417587 553235 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, aren't "japanese only" signs fairly common in some places
< 1352417601 195306 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes.
< 1352417614 103895 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, btw speaking of census, wouldn't it be rather easy to hide away from that anyway?
< 1352417635 288272 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, but that would be breaking the law!
< 1352417642 124134 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352417647 687998 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, :P
< 1352417666 807922 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't like people who are in the country illegally aren't breaking the law already
< 1352417678 917491 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certain obnoxious white Japanese people (ARUDŌ Debito) have made a big deal of it in Japanese courts...
< 1352417683 884618 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often do UK do censuses?
< 1352417729 374600 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, who are "Ainu"?
< 1352417737 129328 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, aboriginal japanese
< 1352417741 373764 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, there you go.
< 1352417742 422355 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352417755 972686 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the other indigenous groups?  are they annihilated yet
< 1352417795 176694 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, you mean in general?
< 1352417804 68543 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in japan
< 1352417807 286702 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The Ainu are an aboriginal people from northern Japan and very far eastern Russia...
< 1352417815 624112 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1352417818 914587 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, to go back to the language thing, ryukyuan language suppression?
< 1352417826 213714 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The Soviets booted them all out to Japan, and then WWII Japan was dicks.
< 1352417839 160657 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now there's about 100 Ainu speakers.
< 1352417851 823823 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh geez, I didn't think it was that bad :(
< 1352417855 539183 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352417867 107304 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Ryūkyūan languages got fucked with badly, too. But nowhere near as bad.
< 1352417889 59520 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Bike, i hear you're new
< 1352417893 809693 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you done the right of passage
< 1352417895 344318 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Certain obnoxious white Japanese people (ARUDŌ Debito) have made a big deal of it in Japanese courts... <-- white Japanse people? What are we talking about here exactly?
< 1352417904 712665 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: White person who is a citizen of Japan.
< 1352417913 177648 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They exist.
< 1352417913 788465 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the right of passage is a natural right of all citizens!
< 1352417920 693903 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, like Europeans that moved there?
< 1352417922 263179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1352417928 461280 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Basically.
< 1352417932 124296 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, what do you mean, like, do I have to write a brainfuck variant
< 1352417936 629808 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the condition for citizenship is writing an eodermdrome interpreter
< 1352417938 196810 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, right okay.
< 1352417940 350617 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit
< 1352417948 145444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making a brainfuck derivative automatically disqualifies you
< 1352417952 568549 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha.
< 1352417967 480799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: white people living in japan can also have children and stuff
< 1352417972 986594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so I hear......................
< 1352417983 516629 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have this great idea, it's like brainfuck plus befunge and intercal!
< 1352417997 160627 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well sure. I was wondering if he was referring to yet another group of people that were native to the area and white or something
< 1352417997 546193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: amazing, you should put it on the wiki pronto
< 1352418002 181541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure to make the spec horribly ambiguous
< 1352418009 795657 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Japan is jus sanguinis, though.
< 1352418017 702382 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spec? I think you mean download link
< 1352418017 749605 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, wait, are you implying they're obnoxious for fighting racial prejudice or am i misreading
< 1352418026 982231 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Certain obnoxious white Japanese people (ARUDŌ Debito) have made a big deal of it in Japanese courts..
< 1352418030 16273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: right
< 1352418046 517139 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so my question obviously was asking if he meant western (and descendants of western) persons or something else.
< 1352418049 740523 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, just that Debito in particular tries to be the squeaky wheel that gets the grease. :)
< 1352418059 277477 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE BEEN CONVERTED INTO SQL OR POSSIBLY BASIC OR POSSIBLY COBOL OR POSSIBLY ASSEMBLY
< 1352418071 619592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FORTRAN.
< 1352418074 115822 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that reminds me though, the other month a guy I know said that in school he learned that ainu were white
< 1352418075 361138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, you have just said something that makes roughly no sense
< 1352418076 614455 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES
< 1352418080 16888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I barely know anything about it but isn't the anti-foreigner prejudice in Japan not really anti-white racism at all?
< 1352418084 198611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like a generalised xenophobia or whatever
< 1352418092 558329 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently he learned about race from 19th-century quality textbooks, three races and all
< 1352418092 905436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just the impression I've got though, I don't actually know anything :P
< 1352418098 45102 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's generalized xenophobia.
< 1352418104 417649 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: White people have it easier, in a way.
< 1352418123 962796 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, we're happy enough to call hatred of muslims racism, i think the term is generalised enough to support that usage
< 1352418160 797164 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :this conversation reminds me of a "wonderful" debate I was in recently with a denizen of IRC
< 1352418175 920041 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :claiming that basically every other language should romanize their alphabets
< 1352418178 18790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well islamophobia is at least usually linked to actual racism but fair enough
< 1352418184 25686 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352418188 248009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :KALLISTI: that way we wouldn't have to implement unicode!!
< 1352418197 417686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it is linked to the awful attitudes towards human rights in certain muslim communities
< 1352418203 927063 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah the conversation actually came up because I claimed that UTF-8 for URLs would make way more sense
< 1352418212 39891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :KALLISTI: see IRI
< 1352418282 137743 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the IDN stuff makes no bloody sense. Until you realise that everything these days is basically built to be backward compatible with imperfect solutions made 30-20 years ago
< 1352418305 441226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that is how everything has worked forever
< 1352418309 183559 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1352418324 273890 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it results in so many problems though
< 1352418372 427581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of
< 1352418374 382381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate unix
< 1352418385 668416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because i run "foo" and it dies cleanly when i hit ^C
< 1352418390 787493 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, it has some good ideas but a LOT of flaws
< 1352418391 788953 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you read the handbook
< 1352418392 71167 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does not mean that killall -INT foo will make it die cleanly
< 1352418414 511212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a bunch of processes that launch other processes and it works fine when you run it manually, but the cleanup is a disaster otherwise
< 1352418421 231481 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, which signal does ^C send then? I thought it was INT?
< 1352418429 729973 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sends it to the whole process group though
< 1352418441 87935 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you would have to do that then?
< 1352418457 260233 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but setting it up yourself is a pain
< 1352418466 383044 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1352418474 619739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :killall -g ? 
< 1352418475 89770 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which piece of software is this? So I can avoid it
< 1352418475 387371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it's easy to say "kill everything running in this terminal" but hard to say "kill everything launched from this exec call"
< 1352418483 350947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux
< 1352418493 258350 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I meant which software on linux
< 1352418499 523317 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some software i wrote
< 1352418502 553128 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352418504 285301 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so, if the state graph is abc and the match subgraph of a command is b, the interpreter could run that command, in which case the one node would be "open"?
< 1352418507 659209 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1352418508 381298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should use @ instead
< 1352418511 591419 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you understood the above
< 1352418518 122786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would understand that it is not my fault particularly
< 1352418535 88802 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I'll have to check.
< 1352418537 288147 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, true, I would just use a supervisor process, like systemd or daemontools or such
< 1352418553 665109 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Doesn't even really solve The Problem.
< 1352418553 823295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm not asking for advice
< 1352418564 948747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i have not described my problem in detail anyway
< 1352418565 764316 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352418571 521555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just complaining
< 1352418576 368545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my advice is
< 1352418577 863931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, you need to know both match and substitution subgraphs to determine if a node is open.
< 1352418578 65334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :use @
< 1352418579 789292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just saying
< 1352418588 76586 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, hm true
< 1352418594 997044 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh, yes, duh.  silly me.
< 1352418606 55452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :any complaint gets responses of "that's easy, you should just use foo and bar"
< 1352418611 34201 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I thought it said that it used the same letter in the state graph and the match subgraph, oops.
< 1352418611 770130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is annoying
< 1352418618 771999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm in an annoyed mood generally
< 1352418620 548808 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what... there is "Angry Birds Star Wars" now?
< 1352418622 210627 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god
< 1352418653 287318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, nah, the tricky part is that the state graph is completely unlabelled.
< 1352418654 96033 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's easy, you should just use screen.
< 1352418658 275545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was Angry Birds Space; it sounds a sensible step.
< 1352418670 492069 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello guys
< 1352418678 827037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have to use a general subgraph matcher to work out what can actually be executed.
< 1352418682 914837 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, riight....
< 1352418690 233828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: is this because of disney
< 1352418694 864393 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to download it just to see how bad it is...
< 1352418702 445070 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm morbidly curious
< 1352418704 227829 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: right.  but clearly having a single interpreter step be an np complete problem is what makes it worthwhile
< 1352418712 213321 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't be any worse than the usual Angry Birds I guess
< 1352418714 3178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait let me guess
< 1352418719 377658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that it is identical to an angry birds game
< 1352418723 954343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but looks vaguely star-warsy
< 1352418728 550889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i'm not asking for advice, but thank you for inferring my problem based on the assumption that i am an idiot and then solving it for me"
< 1352418729 839009 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you do realize if you do that they win their gamble
< 1352418743 840251 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, actually when i looked this up i discovered that for fixed match subgraphs the algorithm is O(n^2) or something else pleasantly small
< 1352418747 468844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well you are an idiot
< 1352418752 71294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: because you are not using @
< 1352418754 257099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok but
< 1352418770 51021 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual algorithm was paywalled tho--
< 1352418770 601644 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, apart from that I do not buy any micro transactions and I have an adblocker
< 1352418777 637102 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, so they make zero money from me
< 1352418777 982139 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do I get the time machine to get @
< 1352418801 250670 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1352418806 21070 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ullmann (1976) describes a recursive backtracking procedure for solving the subgraph isomorphism problem. Although its running time is, in general, exponential, it takes polynomial time for any fixed choice of H (with a polynomial that depends on the choice of H)."
< 1352418818 667305 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems convenient enough
< 1352418838 607842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: has anyone told you about the eodeoredoemroemdomeormodrmodrme curse yet
< 1352418855 398324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an amazing number of Angry Birds merchandize around. Today at the grocery store there were Angry Birds skin care products from Lumene.
< 1352418857 128066 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1352418861 320032 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I going to go insane or something
< 1352418866 889127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the Angry Birds coffees.
< 1352418873 331277 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there an angry birds theme park?
< 1352418874 858388 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352418876 240316 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do they make your skin yellow, blue and red
< 1352418880 617533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's just that all other attempts to implement it have failed
< 1352418893 633251 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you mean like the place or the drink?
< 1352418894 717048 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except one by oklopol which is a) lost in the mists of time and b) hideously slow
< 1352418895 490857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well so far only one person claims to have successfully implemented it and their interpreter has been lost and was never publicly released
< 1352418898 123805 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, really?
< 1352418898 930424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also they were already cursed
< 1352418902 240244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I didn't stop to read the product descriptions.
< 1352418908 370907 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well shit, how can I turn this down now
< 1352418916 211154 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that this is mainly because of the subgraph isomorphism
< 1352418939 112335 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> concat $ repeat "aeiou"
< 1352418939 809009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: The drink; there's two Angry Birds -themed brands of it. I forget the exact names.
< 1352418940 609625 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "aeiouaeiouaeiouaeiouaeiouaeiouaeiouaeiouaeiouaeiouaeiouaeiouaeiouaeiouaeio...
< 1352418945 327864 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure how exactly this would ever be not hideously slow
< 1352418949 500631 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weeeeeell
< 1352418951 780337 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, my university apparently don't have general access to the acm
< 1352418956 659496 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't be worse than british coffee, can it?
< 1352418962 291527 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can
< 1352418965 91498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, http://jgaa.info/accepted/99/Eppstein99.3.3.pdf is the cited paper for the polynomial thing
< 1352418971 23415 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1352418973 13550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them was the Early Bird coffee.
< 1352418984 133555 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to grab the ullman paper from my amazing piracy network
< 1352418985 54993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the other was some kind of explosive espresso.
< 1352418986 469648 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a good name for a coffee
< 1352419001 440787 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an esprossive?
< 1352419007 267454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oklopol's just did the naive thing iirc
< 1352419018 21580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the one involving 0 research papers
< 1352419020 664420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, it doesn't actually give ullman's algorithm and, as i mentioned, his paper is paywalled
< 1352419030 205400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't i once find the paper
< 1352419032 528112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i swear i did
< 1352419053 909954 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr finding a different paper stating the algorithm
< 1352419074 640852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rovio has publicly stated that "going forward" they will only ever consider game ideas that can be readily turned to merchandizing.
< 1352419075 872581 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oldwww.prip.tuwien.ac.at/teaching/ss/strupr/vogl.pdf
< 1352419083 576370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helpful powerpoint!
< 1352419092 80387 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, this is the same designer who did underload, and I already implemented that, so obviously this will be just as simple
< 1352419104 837576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly
< 1352419118 764924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr we once tried interpreting underload in eodermdrome
< 1352419123 429487 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha amazing
< 1352419139 938808 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we failed almost immediately
< 1352419144 230374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: um I hate to be the bearer of bad news but the same designer also did http://esolangs.org/wiki/Feather
< 1352419156 93840 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :duplication in eodermdrome is hard
< 1352419170 469275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnair had an Angry Birds theme flight to Japan, though they didn't (afaik) shoot the plane out of a giant slingshot.
< 1352419178 324034 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well that doesn't seem hard either, by virtue of my knowing nothing about it, see?
< 1352419185 379409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor did it break into three smaller planes mid-flight.
< 1352419188 594085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it involves time travel
< 1352419191 553217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: tell Bike about Feather!
< 1352419214 530393 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, at least it appears to be based on the original movies, not the prequels.
< 1352419217 16355 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd basically have to do it "dna style" and have an attached protein that substitutes along a structure, splittting it into two behind it
< 1352419244 790202 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: movies? THEY DID ANGRY BIRD MOVIES??
< 1352419247 639694 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, and the music is better than the normal terrible angry birds music. Other than that is basically the same idea.
< 1352419249 150515 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how excitingly exotic
< 1352419252 622885 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, no the star wars ones
< 1352419268 444043 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, since it is angry birds star wars
< 1352419277 690427 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did angry birds star wars movies????
< 1352419287 349091 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, they did angry birds star wars game
< 1352419289 285069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just say
< 1352419290 12942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: yes
< 1352419292 921199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and be done with it
< 1352419295 199311 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dies
< 1352419296 809427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Angry Starbird Wars.
< 1352419301 443898 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, which is based on star wars 3-6
< 1352419306 289715 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 3-5 even
< 1352419310 774281 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey I just saw an ad for twilight 5 today
< 1352419314 420920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really through could a hypothetical angry birds star wars film really be worse than the prequels
< 1352419316 58375 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no Jar Jar Binks at least
< 1352419320 175090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just sayin'
< 1352419326 723355 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm... that is a close call
< 1352419328 85584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not 4-6? But you said "original".
< 1352419332 96004 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Jar Jar is in 3-6
< 1352419337 654463 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err I meant 4-6
< 1352419339 819726 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in 3 at least
< 1352419343 722901 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, off by one error
< 1352419355 579817 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so bad
< 1352419358 115043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even like star wars and i want to see the new films coming out
< 1352419361 680405 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lego Angry Birds
< 1352419365 789160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will either be a trainwreck or surprisingly good
< 1352419377 647438 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw
< 1352419377 984735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way it'll be entertaining
< 1352419378 379828 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, glad I'm not alone in not being a fan of star wars
< 1352419379 132548 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have Lucas running the show, which is very promising.
< 1352419381 886954 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LIKE JAR JAR BINKS
< 1352419382 391496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Angry Lego Birds Star Wars.
< 1352419384 510630 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let it be known
< 1352419396 215450 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: What about Jabba?
< 1352419404 588843 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like jabba too
< 1352419417 372542 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, from what I heard the Lego games are usually actually kind of good
< 1352419424 306729 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everytime he speaks I can't seem to manage to understand what he says
< 1352420034 869600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think maybe it is harder to get over someone being annoying in the past than it is to forgive them for doing something specific to hurt you
< 1352420045 376741 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because annoyance is this basic conditioning thing
< 1352420060 896817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets to the point where whenever you hear their voice you are automatically annoyed
< 1352420183 418750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's why I can never forgive kmc
< 1352420638 636616 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :night!
< 1352420686 388936 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION contemplates replacing his facebook page with a series of figurative thermonuclear bombs
< 1352420811 175631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how figurative are we talking here
< 1352420862 640193 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll get to see who amongst family and friends is homophobic, and to what degree.
< 1352420918 575555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's at least 7 figurative
< 1352420919 174821 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
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< 1352421825 69205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, how figurative are these thermonuclear bombs
< 1352421832 643736 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like do they have distinct fusion and fission stages
< 1352421875 121046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude
< 1352421878 709660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i literally just asked how figurative they are
< 1352421881 190240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop aping my style
< 1352421904 991028 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't get into the technical details!
< 1352421969 914061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :figurative neutron bomb
< 1352421990 721236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel kind of sorry for the neutron bomb :(
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< 1352422902 815539 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny how the plot in atlantis' first season seems to be exactly the same as in sg1's first season
< 1352422931 312639 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in sg1 it felt like the gate gave us an opening on a huge new world
< 1352422955 310209 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in atlantis it feels like they're stranded in a very small place
< 1352423116 20392 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352423693 107941 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: rather, yeah
< 1352423713 175695 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as small as a galaxy can be
< 1352423724 111522 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I had a few questions for you
< 1352423744 950998 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've repeated several times that "the gate on this planet is the only one that can dial to earth"
< 1352423756 505266 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell do they know that and why the hell would it be true?
< 1352423786 457730 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's established how they work at out
< 1352423799 268600 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, back when there were two active stargates on earth, how come incoming wormholes always hooked to sgc's stargate and never to the russian one?
< 1352423802 199763 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at some point it's mentioned that the Atlantis DHD contains a special control crystal to allow it to dial 8 chevrons
< 1352423823 500053 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the Russians were really good at timing connecting and disconnecting the DHD
< 1352423829 181833 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1352423842 214503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how we fix things on the russian space station
< 1352423847 331090 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can just disconnect the dhd and the gate will no longer work<,
< 1352423858 677349 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will still accept wormholes
< 1352423870 596648 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when it was disconnected, the SG-1 gate became primary
< 1352423877 390824 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok
< 1352423881 855222 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1352423882 867049 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGC gate
< 1352423905 869782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC gate
< 1352423910 809225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should one watch stargate?
< 1352423915 103069 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when it's connected, it becomes primary for offworld russian teams?
< 1352423919 551710 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's implied that primary-ness is also determined by the most recent use
< 1352423944 265406 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else power supply
< 1352423951 244831 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the Antartica gate didn't become primary
< 1352423983 770741 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what about those very very advanced guys on the planet that didn't have a gate?
< 1352423998 823672 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those who made up the clorel/scar trial
< 1352424017 241188 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Yes. The Russians somehow managed to time their dial-ins so that they wouldn't accidentally get a US team
< 1352424024 359629 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or go to SGC
< 1352424031 645929 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Tollan?
< 1352424036 773897 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also klorel & skarra, I believe)
< 1352424038 339514 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I just don't understand how they managed not to go to the sgc
< 1352424045 669490 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the tollan
< 1352424076 226711 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point in the series (probably seaosn 5) they simply stopped mentionning them
< 1352424094 400390 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: They timed when they would dial ack
< 1352424096 123681 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*back
< 1352424102 493964 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We will dial back in in 6 hours"
< 1352424107 322697 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1352424110 470576 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the tollan died at some point
< 1352424124 257739 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the tollan?
< 1352424148 820490 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how does the fact that they will dial back in in 6 hours prevent them from going to the sgc gate?
< 1352424184 128221 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well I remember during the trial episode, sg1 saved their asses
< 1352424191 25820 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I never heard of them again
< 1352424207 959203 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they died then though...
< 1352424214 132308 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe in the "the-NDI-steals-artifacts" episode
< 1352424218 896616 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, let me consult the inevitable wiki
< 1352424231 314369 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NID*
< 1352424237 413204 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: The Russians reconnect the DHD 6 hours later
< 1352424248 155458 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the sgc gate is connected as well
< 1352424258 689258 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Anubis found a way to make his fleet impervious to the Tollan Ion cannons, their only defense, they met their eventual destruction» oh that douche
< 1352424261 253394 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but the active DHD causes the Russian gate to take priority
< 1352424278 420325 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm I might have missed that episode
< 1352424290 173841 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was probably mentioned off-hand somewhere
< 1352424296 996393 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahah
< 1352424316 604206 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, "oh btw, the tollans were exterminated last week. wanna go fishing?"
< 1352424330 819741 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were jerks, weren't they
< 1352424339 743844 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yes they were
< 1352424345 276158 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about which
< 1352424350 171034 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about those guys from 2010?
< 1352424370 979781 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting them to reappear at some point or another, did I miss that too?
< 1352424414 927871 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you know the people who supposedly formed an alliance with earth, then stopped everyone from being able to reproduce, then sg1 had to go back in time)
< 1352424912 376158 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the tollan
< 1352424914 747623 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*liked
< 1352425434 969469 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352425711 154766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1352425962 533972 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1352426005 525055 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shoud rewatch SG. I don’t remember much about it anymore.
< 1352426015 762490 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, i don’t remember the Tollans.
< 1352426051 828027 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They look familiar in a Google image search, but i don’t remember the relevant plot.
< 1352426584 140952 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: plot is "we're the tollans. we're technologically far more advanced than everyone else. we're invincible. but we'd rather watch you die than share with you."
< 1352426597 418626 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently they are the ones who die
< 1352427079 536609 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1352428128 710394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :David Simon's blog is called "The Audacity of Despair"
< 1352430496 590946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/63991000/gif/_63991516_race.gif
< 1352431703 259342 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/
< 1352431757 594037 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen
< 1352433429 819311 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dammit I want ponies
< 1352433436 828071 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I addressing that to Gregor?
< 1352433443 491591 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone else: Dammit I want ponies
< 1352433460 402318 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind?
< 1352433472 634364 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Little-
< 1352433476 668315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pony is a big responsibility, pikhq_
< 1352433497 78551 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has actually taken care of horses before.
< 1352433550 674773 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Little Ponies are considerably less responsibility.
< 1352433554 94786 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as how they're sapient.
< 1352433555 976871 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye.
< 1352433561 120656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's rather worse!
< 1352433570 710044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you kill them you can go to jail for murder
< 1352433577 700027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like having a child
< 1352433613 148834 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think of killing things when assigned a new responsibility?
< 1352433617 873474 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should not have a pony.
< 1352433669 164366 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed.
< 1352433803 79649 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That said, 2 more days
< 1352433896 723818 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352434060 477475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :look i'm just talking about the worst case scenario
< 1352434098 598902 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not the worst case scenario.
< 1352434116 938676 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst case scenario is that someone puts HF in your drinking water.
< 1352434263 232151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tasty
< 1352434285 884902 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm, tastes like agonizing death!
< 1352434375 174169 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352434448 362384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the worst case scenario is that a malevolent AI instantiates 2^80 copies of you in a simulacrum designed to produce the maximum possible pain and existential terror, forever
< 1352434489 895722 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come now, that's not even close to the worst case scenario.
< 1352434497 88635 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of numbers larger than 2^80!
< 1352434574 301170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, well
< 1352434587 581994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :product [1..2^80]? That's pretty big.
< 1352434604 226562 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would it be any worse or would it start getting better
< 1352434611 394443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel no sympathy for copies of me.
< 1352434671 417844 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe after a certain point it'd gradually stop being terrifying and start being goofy
< 1352434694 935909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a6/Goofy.svg/220px-Goofy.svg.png
< 1352434724 654141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should i buy, a Windows 7 license I won't use or a Windows 8 license I won't use
< 1352434757 988663 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something you'll use
< 1352434767 663109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about a Windows 3.11 license?
< 1352434779 443377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume that i must buy exactly one of these two
< 1352434795 391309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you certain not to use it?
< 1352434801 429200 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is cheaper
< 1352434802 392601 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost
< 1352434805 968917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the same price
< 1352434810 641518 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky
< 1352434903 899156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: windows 7.5 license
< 1352434905 300695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a compromise "
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< 1352434986 817777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you are a true statesman
< 1352435009 123981 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352435092 184114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a true scotsman ??
< 1352435132 264773 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, he is no true Scotsman.
< 1352435140 853806 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No *true* Scotsman is not from Scotland!
< 1352435154 794216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Hexham basically Scotland?
< 1352435180 650621 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not actually!
< 1352435183 656861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham-upon-Thyme, Scotland
< 1352435199 934911 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have *seven* pigs in Scotland.
< 1352435222 441087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's as many as seven ones.
< 1352435260 72985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what has true scotsman got to do with what i said
< 1352435279 80334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nothing.
< 1352435294 511829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't even addressed to you.
< 1352435307 583514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: a true scotsman ??
< 1352435308 722963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it was
< 1352435316 689348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it wasn't.
< 1352435334 49776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cambridge, MA: Greater Boston Area or Greatest Boston Area?
< 1352435340 114295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't quite see what you get out of outright obviously lying here
< 1352435347 869806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not lying.
< 1352435360 600864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :greater boston buddhist cultural center
< 1352435361 578443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you say "blah: blam?", it doesn't mean you're addressing blah.
< 1352435368 449370 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Cambridge, MA: Real Boston.
< 1352435941 965985 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1352436056 49733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imaginary boston
< 1352436077 970760 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boston points in the complex plane.
< 1352436466 65738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i ordered the whatsit
< 1352436474 645718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carbon?
< 1352436477 924160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352436483 649023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which soul did you sell?
< 1352436483 789857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :inanimate carbon rod
< 1352436489 746658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got no soul to sell
< 1352436505 429615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You ordered the .au version?
< 1352436510 316988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1352436520 79418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ordered the i5 / 8GB
< 1352436523 398717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1352436533 15229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⁵
< 1352436568 247332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352436574 64787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :⁵
< 1352436587 645450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh.five
< 1352436607 884022 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :i⁵ = i
< 1352436621 652564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :M.A.T.H.S.
< 1352436650 284414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? maths
< 1352436661 694071 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :maths? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1352436666 266221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn maths stands for Mathematical Anti-Telharsic Harfatum Septomin
< 1352436669 970284 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that.
< 1352436762 135580 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ there is no way to type backtick in connectbot on this phone
< 1352436768 30098 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION misses d3 keyboard
< 1352436773 631448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which phone?
< 1352436786 516373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backticks are essential.
< 1352436831 355116 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :d4
< 1352437010 57412 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :``for writing LaTeX'', he said
< 1352437012 986604 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `for: not found
< 1352437068 442322 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet there's an android latex editor
< 1352437877 291996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Emacs pressing " will type `` or '' depending on context
< 1352437883 262132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get a literal " by typing ""
< 1352437886 377235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, in LaTeX mode
< 1352437888 13724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in general
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< 1352442561 453553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy, we get to add "frequentist statisticians" to the list of groups xkcd has strawmanned
< 1352442612 290128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it makes a good goatkcd
< 1352442613 639740 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh,wow.
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< 1352443974 5908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've tested it to work with Firefox and tested it to not work with Internet Explorer. 
< 1352444038 563274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: surely the easiest way to check would be to contact someone on the other side of the world over IRC
< 1352444043 27923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ask them if the sun was still visible?
< 1352444083 765039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: They might lie more often than that detector.
< 1352444655 690882 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose you can't find anyone. Possibilities: The Sun exploding killed everyone on that side, some virus that needs its victims to be exposed to daylight ran rampant and killed everyone
< 1352444671 576713 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there would be some survivors of the latter, I'm sure
< 1352444716 489023 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would they have phones?  (use your prior distribution of daylight in your answer)
< 1352444868 290970 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupidly obvious answer: look at the moon.
< 1352444960 71783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which also wouldn't be visible, since circumstances conspire to make this as difficult as possible.
< 1352444987 488058 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That comma was intended to indicate a different scenario
< 1352444988 757680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I remember a short story about sun going nova that involved deducing it from a really bright moon.)
< 1352445010 589238 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the Bayesian has the correct answer. Bet on the sun still existing.
< 1352445023 352015 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it doesn't exist, your money will be null and void soon anyways.
< 1352445085 672489 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus, anyone taking him up on the bet is either giving up money, or convinced the sun exploded and just doesn't care any more.
< 1352445216 110422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun, pshaw. What's it good for, anyway? Just a cause for annoying glares on screens.
< 1352445234 898027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll just turn on the lights if it goes out.
< 1352445316 83385 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corrected: fizzie has the correct answer.
< 1352445335 665404 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much of the sun's energy do we actually need? Enough to grow crops and keep the air and water at a survivable temperature, but surely a lot is wasted?
< 1352445358 252619 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of it doesn't hit the earth, for one
< 1352445389 338286 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirrors around the sun, get all of that energy to earth
< 1352445478 850218 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Currently, essentially all of it.
< 1352445486 618701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could use a bit more of it up here, it was below the freezing point of water this morning again.
< 1352445532 439222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, well, not literally all of it. Solar panels don't cause significant negative effects, do they? Although, if much of the Earth's surface was covered in them, what would happen?
< 1352445539 716203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: we probably need slightly less than currently hits the Earth
< 1352445556 108673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, conservation of energy: the energy captured by solar panels eventually ends up dissipating as heat anyway
< 1352445567 28606 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Earth is fairly small, and the Sun radiates equally in all directions.
< 1352445583 615452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: They do increase Earth's albedo, I think.
< 1352445593 118901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it depends on where you install them
< 1352445604 63861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: also, another way to think of it: imagine that the Earth is mostly covered in grass
< 1352445618 297577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: At least I'd sort of assume that solar panels don't reflect very much of (direct) sunlight; it sounds like it'd be slightly counterproductive.
< 1352445659 962569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm
< 1352445662 636803 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, we use that energy for survival, kind of... well, animals we eat eat grass. What would happen if there was no grass, we killed all the grass and replaced with solar panels?
< 1352445665 250534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do actually reflect quite a lot at the moment
< 1352445667 560289 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ecologically, I mean.
< 1352445668 903787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they aren't very efficient
< 1352445682 542939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 33% efficient solar panels were invented last month, and they're prohibitively expensive to manufacture
< 1352445704 18935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be neat would be solar panels that were transparent, i.e. they transmitted most of the energy they didn't convert to electricity
< 1352445714 412271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way if you needed to capture more light in a small area, you could stack them
< 1352445730 522570 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: most autotrophs are solar.  the few exceptions are things that rely on geothermal vents and chemosynthesis, not exactly enough to keep humanity alive
< 1352445734 179928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: we'd pretty much need to move to hydroponics to grow food to eat
< 1352445752 96243 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'd have an easier time of it if we knew how to get fusion working.
< 1352445755 939869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could do without animals, it's possible to live on plant matter and dietary supplements alone
< 1352445764 742916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doing without plants as well is basically impossible
< 1352445767 521559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/other/ animals, I mean)
< 1352445771 395886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we wouldn't want to, though
< 1352445887 522058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I suppose it's partly (mostly?) because the parts that do convert to electricity are reasonably picky about wavelengths, while the Sun's reasonably blackbodyish.
< 1352445944 763016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, 33% efficiency is far better than what grass manages.
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< 1352448154 26959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... this is the famous W|A being clever: I ask for "distance from earth to moon / speed of light", and the main answer is "378 313 km/c (kilometers per speed of light in vacuum)" -- the best unit. (Okay, so the "unit conversions" list has the "1.262 seconds" result too, but still.)
< 1352448445 642390 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't it use planck units
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< 1352449264 487977 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/album/symphony-impossible-to-play
< 1352449269 300521 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the fourth piece is really good
< 1352449296 394543 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the arranger really doesn't like triplets for some reason :(
< 1352449313 927453 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, in the trumpet part
< 1352449321 277252 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets them right in the piccolo
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< 1352451739 554306 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://javadoc.bugaco.com/com/sun/java/swing/plaf/nimbus/InternalFrameInternalFrameTitlePaneInternalFrameTitlePaneMaximizeButtonPainter.html
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< 1352452199 388012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  I wonder if Red Alert 4 will use MMIX
< 1352452210 127408 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :865)  I wonder if Red Alert 4 will use MMIX
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< 1352463202 505648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I came to a sudden realisation last sleep period
< 1352463208 313033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is a concatenative language
< 1352463219 822942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a very typical or idiomatic concatenative language, but it is one
< 1352463261 926927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is C also a concatenative language?
< 1352463268 384583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone please agree with me or refute me, because this has implications
< 1352463283 811717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, you can't separate a function from its arguments in a concatenative way
< 1352463296 255745 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-173-236.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess yeah?
< 1352463305 501519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the contents of one C function?
< 1352463312 65693 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-173-236.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concatenation of two BF programs is also a valid BF program
< 1352463319 547643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I meant in a function call
< 1352463338 934773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: yeah, and if you see BF programs as functions (as in Pure BF), concatenating them = function composition
< 1352463358 86182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means that my monads in BF idea may not be too far from the mark after all
< 1352463380 112781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that BF does not have any sort of operation on code segments
< 1352463384 377155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from repeating them
< 1352463391 609224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need a metalanguage to describe program transformations
< 1352463410 632167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess it's more like saying that you can create monad-like structures that compile to BF
< 1352463412 961550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and operate on BF code
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< 1352476386 98924 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
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< 1352477775 587199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://blogs.oracle.com/ksplice/entry/introducing_redpatch
< 1352477886 613259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a while back, Red Hat stopped releasing source for their kernels in an easily digested form -- instead they give just one giant .patch file
< 1352477950 362468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Ksplice team (independently, and then at Oracle) has to reverse-engineer the individual patches
< 1352477954 205154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now they are publishing their work
< 1352477977 321210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure the Internet will somehow conclude that Oracle is being evil here and Red Hat is the victim
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< 1352479169 67823 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :KALLISTI, you look louder than usual
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< 1352480725 337238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so um
< 1352480738 568189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Esolang:Community_portal&diff=next&oldid=34681
< 1352480748 254628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this edit is sort of inaccurate...
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< 1352480947 783460 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What part of it
< 1352481046 671986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the part where it implies the community portal should be used for discussions of esolangs in general
< 1352481051 538517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when in actual fact it is only for discussion of the wiki
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< 1352481386 40025 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then correct it?
< 1352481407 955903 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And post a message on (the person who made the edit)'s talk page?
< 1352481421 174479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's work tho : /
< 1352481430 904259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is if you look at the community portal there is non-wiki related stuff on there already :P
< 1352481442 783352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what a mess"
< 1352481588 480186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't mean you have to encourage it.
< 1352481906 827155 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about correcting it to "you can use [[User_talk:Theguywhomadethateditinthefirstplace|the talk page]] for discussions about esolangs in general."
< 1352482014 55346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i think that would be ever so slightly rude
< 1352482188 155729 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it
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< 1352485492 960374 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only there wasn't this thing about main characters not being able to die
< 1352485504 993735 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stargate would have soooooo much more suspense and drama
< 1352485540 955733 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that episode where they found cassandra, the girl with a nuclear bomb in her belly
< 1352485568 517413 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at some point major carter decides to stay with her till the end
< 1352485579 597161 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, main characters not allowed to die? As a Homestuck fan, I smile
< 1352485586 590602 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that was a sad episode
< 1352485589 408455 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main character of Homestuck has died... 3 times?
< 1352485592 551704 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it didn't go off.  boring.
< 1352485615 833636 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well since major carter decided to stay and we know she can't die
< 1352485621 272961 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1352485629 666921 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of defused any emotion there could have been
< 1352485631 780611 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The deus ex americana of television shows
< 1352485633 503263 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: multiple deaths has about the same dramatic effect as none.
< 1352485640 752245 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1352485685 37835 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why movies are so much better
< 1352485689 508276 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck seems to be an excersize in bringing characters back to life in various ways
< 1352485693 905566 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANd now I will go eat
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< 1352485701 99701 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least there are no "next episodes" so everybody can die
< 1352485704 697288 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1352485717 307717 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :james bond kind of dies four or five times in skyfall
< 1352485720 665641 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Movies are not immune from deus ex americana
< 1352485744 172000 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think even jean grey from x-men was never able to die so many times in a single story
< 1352486576 703108 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352486795 712501 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1352486801 99839 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Loose_Circular_Brainfuck_(LCBF) says it's turing-complete
< 1352486817 130047 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the only significant difference with brainfuck is that its tape is circular
< 1352486824 157953 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which kind of suppose it's bounded
< 1352486905 568130 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I posted a popping (dance) video to a subreddit about popping pimples. Waiting for the downvotes. :-P http://www.reddit.com/r/popping/comments/12xbil/incredible_popping/
< 1352487086 332007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: It could be a circular yet sometimes (e.g. when moving >, but not when moving <) growing; but indeed it seems to have a fixed size.
< 1352487121 39766 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, that's a subreddit that exists!?
< 1352487126 90890 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1352487159 699576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: The cells of the Python implementation seem to be bignums, though.
< 1352487179 293029 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like "if current cell is rightmost, > goes to leftmost cell; if current cell is leftmost, < creates (and go to) a new cell to the left of the current cell"?
< 1352487194 742158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, assuming Python numbers are that. I think they are. They do that L thing when they go past regular integers.
< 1352487246 791595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking the other way around, but something like that, yes.
< 1352487250 850099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it does it.
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< 1352490377 219796 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay this is interesting. It is almost like Google don't want me to use youtube. Now they went one step further than the usual "front page not properly updated for days with my subscriptions"-shit, which can be due to flawed caching or something. This time I got unsubscribe to about half the channels I'm subscribing to. Sorry, what?
< 1352490677 720247 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1352490983 733988 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what are the conditions to be met before a new category can be created? for instance, would it be ok if I created http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Categorization#Proposed_category:_Instruction-rewriting ?
< 1352490999 29249 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352491015 104189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there really are any criteria really :P
< 1352491030 11946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems there's some disagreement about what it should be called?
< 1352491063 958904 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "Self-redefining" seems fine from what I understand
< 1352491090 904806 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest argued "Instruction-redefining" was not 'open' enough, and I agree
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< 1352491665 611805 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :urrrrh I hate it when titles are so explicit
< 1352491701 921233 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my opinion a good title should make sense *after* you've watched the thing, not be a sumary of what happens
< 1352491809 726119 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Bus That Couldn't Slow Down
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< 1352495838 353173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back!
< 1352495898 556065 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows how long this will last :/
< 1352495944 25581 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
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< 1352496180 821834 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome back
< 1352496183 389206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why did you leave?)
< 1352496231 566192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was Sgeo ever gone
< 1352496254 171920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352496271 166051 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Internet access cut out
< 1352496362 90848 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, lens is making parts of Prelude.Generalize not seem so great
< 1352496366 396329 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, Part1 etc
< 1352496375 923971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1352496600 594306 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... not sure what you can do with this
< 1352496782 857766 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Prelude.Generalize.Part1 is the same-but-worse as Control.Lens.Tuple.Field1 etc
< 1352496806 479108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, well it wasn't there before I think
< 1352496828 188242 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, Prelude.Generalize predates Control.Lens by a long way
< 1352497549 574069 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have you made any headway with @ in the last year?
< 1352497706 529618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1352497724 29188 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1352497750 249646 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I literally just restarted my mouse.
< 1352497757 481467 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you in the next year?
< 1352497760 410533 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ?
< 1352497776 982341 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was acting like I was holding down the mouse button. Restarting it fixed it.
< 1352497823 77778 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352497827 30076 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by restarting, I mean turning it off and on again.
< 1352497898 525462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome carado 
< 1352497904 559980 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :carado: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1352497962 609605 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thanks for the welcome !
< 1352497989 541887 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone use #esoteric-minecraft anymore?
< 1352498159 660107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :carado: It is common procedure to welcome everyone (including you, of course)
< 1352498359 874007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: It was just a moment ago (September 4th) that somebody spoke there. (That was PH wondering when was the last time anyone spoke; for the record, that was PH saying "hello" on August 5th.)
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< 1352498403 834571 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is your Forth adventure system still online somewhere?
< 1352498515 751845 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm did the N64 have PCM audio or did it synthesise it?
< 1352498530 115733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand that dichotomy
< 1352498579 536946 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I mean, did it synthesise it as SNES did (though more advanced obviously), or did it basically use pre-recorded audio data?
< 1352499070 587210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it has dedicated hardware sound-synthesis-only chips; but that's not to say all ROMs would use just pre-recorded PCM, apparently the DSPish chip that does graphics geometry things generally also does the actual audio synthesis, based on what data it gets from the MIPS core. (Wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo's dev tools had stock microcode for that chip; reportedly that's the ...
< 1352499076 644554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... case for the ARM7 side of the DS.)
< 1352499249 163910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My university apparently has an "Assassins' Guild".
< 1352499256 989491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2011...the acedemic year of death and sneaky hijinks."
< 1352499271 679629 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they're really this sloppy or if it's just a front.
< 1352499372 170162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/CITg -- sounds very typical.
< 1352499402 729573 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, there is a university campus game called Assassins or some such
< 1352499408 284973 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Involves bananas
< 1352499419 515758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This... does not.
< 1352499420 719973 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is your university MIT?
< 1352499427 70395 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just mock assassinating people.
< 1352499435 43266 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How organized?
< 1352499435 344055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also not running this year, apparently.
< 1352499439 208630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIT's is a rather elaborate live action roleplaying society
< 1352499440 550770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.mit.edu/assassin/www/
< 1352499475 588144 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we aren't some high-falutin us university kmc
< 1352499486 331289 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :our assassins just use cardboard and water guns
< 1352499548 158744 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah
< 1352499617 89159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at my school we had an assassination game which was all about leaving traps
< 1352499625 740219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what sort of traps?
< 1352499640 607903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get a kill, the target had to trigger some kind of noise or flashing light or other prominent indicator placed by you
< 1352499647 761919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but triggered by them
< 1352499654 398157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people got pretty intense about defending themselves
< 1352499662 751466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :had lackeys open doors for them, push on chairs before they sat down
< 1352499663 232075 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352499671 47847 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people put razor wire in the ceilings above their rooms to prevent people breaking in
< 1352499689 820802 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are making this up right?
< 1352499693 578227 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds... crazy
< 1352499710 917028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not making it up
< 1352499717 913542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaking in through the ceiling?
< 1352499737 243326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time i got a kill by hiding a cellphone in someone's room, then setting up a buddy pounce in Pidgin which would send a text to that phone when the target logged in to AIM
< 1352499751 787657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was deemed to count as them triggering the trap, even though it had to go through my computer
< 1352499771 11856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah, there was a whole 'hyperspace' area accessible above the ceiling, which you could crawl around in
< 1352499774 44109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was pretty cool
< 1352499775 289593 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you get your phone back
< 1352499792 705733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was 60 years of accumulated scavenged lab equipment hidden up there
< 1352499793 502258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressively insecure.
< 1352499793 654262 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: yeah, there was a whole 'hyperspace' area accessible above the ceiling, which you could crawl around in <-- uh...?
< 1352499800 920265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :improvised local networks put in by the students in the 80's
< 1352499801 341531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc
< 1352499811 181427 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1352499815 919635 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, which university was this?
< 1352499820 131386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they actually put in a homebrew phone / PBX / music sharing service in the 60's, before the college officially wired the dorms for phone
< 1352499823 49677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caltech
< 1352499837 451547 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :US?
< 1352499838 970695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though when I played alley assassins, we were actually living in the horrible temporary trailer park housing
< 1352499841 907017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352499850 6267 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352499853 959068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't *know*, but I wouldn't be surprised if the stock SGI microcode would support at least mixing K channels of (raw or compressed-with-some-codec) PCM (with DMA transfers), but possibly not much more software-synthesizy things than that.
< 1352499856 577557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also http://kheafield.com/personal/kludgenet/photos/
< 1352499864 186768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the german caltech
< 1352499880 148640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :költech
< 1352499995 469241 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also spent evenings breaking into academic buildings and disassembling the locks on doors in order to construct home-made master keys
< 1352500006 142121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and exploring the steam tunnels of course
< 1352500013 90345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The German Caltech would have even their "kludgenet" done with MILITARY PRECISION.
< 1352500040 517711 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION explored steam tunnels under the school once.
< 1352500101 555969 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without a torch! :-)
< 1352500117 943464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a *lot* of emo poetry written on the walls down there
< 1352500132 521102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...steam pipes?
< 1352500141 577183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, don't jump to conclusions!
< 1352500166 715117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they were full of steam pipes
< 1352500166 879792 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there was a single, small group of emo poets that decided it was the darkest place to pour out their soul.
< 1352500177 377265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and water pipes and fiber optic cables etc
< 1352500183 822547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and boxes that say "DANGER 110,000 VOLTS"
< 1352500186 990839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all covered in asbestos
< 1352500188 230521 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you pipe steam
< 1352500205 937808 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more efficient to generate it centrally and use it to heat every building on campus
< 1352500208 808374 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, to fuel the rotor fan
< 1352500215 646586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of colleges and corporate campuses do this
< 1352500224 133817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact some cities like New York have city-wide steam heat distribution
< 1352500229 713854 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine... does not
< 1352500245 829511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just have a radiator in my room
< 1352500249 367064 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my school does?
< 1352500255 172499 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the older building, anyway
< 1352500262 91501 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure
< 1352500274 882549 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The older building used to be a hotel
< 1352500321 193420 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, my school is just a high school and hence lame compared to your grand universities
< 1352500347 872755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been to exactly one school that wasn't built in the 19th century so central heating is the only heating I know
< 1352500415 323889 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352500489 647366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a very clear majority of apartment buildings (don't know about standalone houses; some of those too) in cities in Finland tend to be part of the district heating network, though I don't know whether the big pipes carry steam or water; certainly the building-internal heating pipes are just warm water.
< 1352500513 959147 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it helps that the UK has pretty mild winters.
< 1352500519 205090 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do emos group? I thought they kept themselves to themselves...
< 1352500554 288127 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, they group
< 1352500570 865926 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a collective noun?
< 1352500572 62631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, what would be the point of that
< 1352500594 740521 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would they pour the inner septic tank of their soul onto
< 1352500659 313830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help
< 1352500674 364136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://achewood.com/?date=06282004
< 1352500752 99433 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ?
< 1352500769 14221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I've heard some rumours that the Otaniemi student housing also had some... creative network installations way back in the dark ages; but they were all professional (100base-t inside walls for intra-building, 1000base-sx/lx/?x inter-building backbone) when I lived there.
< 1352500776 397655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: dam
< 1352500866 387503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The 1 Gbps upgrade project, which will eventually provide 1 Gbps access connectivity to all users and 10 Gbps uplinks to access switches, started in July 2010 from Servinkuja 1."  Oh, they've upgraded since then, too.
< 1352500962 448718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "only" tied to the Interweb through 2x10G connections via FUnet, so it's not like they could provide a real gigabit for everyone. But at least sharing of studying materials (that's what they used to call it) inside the campus will be nice and fast.
< 1352501115 576752 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1352501124 517267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. there were quite a few large corpora of instructional videos of human anatomy shared in the local network back when I lived there. (Slightly curious since the university doesn't have a medical school.)
< 1352501360 765270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you say this was the work of corporoaphiles
< 1352501759 9875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be; some of the corpora were really quite large! (By the standards of the day, anyway; terabytes were still quite impressive numbers at least on the consumer side of the fence.)
< 1352501765 846693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though, house fileservers *did* have lots of pirated copies of textbooks for important classes
< 1352501782 846141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was super useful
< 1352501837 486556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That much is true. The search engines had a "book" search category that matched a couple of likely extensions.
< 1352501846 21413 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352501861 17887 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1352502044 924452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the house I was in currently has a 40? TB file server, but it recently melted
< 1352502050 681192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually more like caught fire
< 1352502058 536039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wsyntax.com/cs/killer-norco-case/
< 1352502132 624455 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have 25 TB at home in a much simpler configuration, but not really any higher quality hardware, which has me worried
< 1352502159 167374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't have ECC RAM so probably some of that 25 TB has random bits flipped
< 1352502166 835062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occurred to me that I ought to stop gzipping my backups for this reason
< 1352502175 291693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, reed-solomon-encode them after i gzip them
< 1352502178 775491 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow
< 1352502184 360530 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the future
< 1352502200 912555 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, how much does a can of Pepsi cost?
< 1352502318 776267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know
< 1352502321 805630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a trick question?
< 1352502328 468767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :soda is about $1 no matter how much you buy
< 1352502331 534830 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know!
< 1352502339 43538 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, a whole dollar?
< 1352502348 767798 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like 100 times the number of dollars I have!
< 1352502396 199686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a story.
< 1352502410 394251 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, help, I'm in the future
< 1352502424 924483 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm far enough into the future that 40TB is feasible
< 1352502434 549520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can fix that with time travel.
< 1352502442 791852 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lost my time machine!
< 1352502538 895078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ df -h|egrep 'Filesys|lustre'
< 1352502539 52724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filesystem                       Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
< 1352502539 99563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lustre-nfs:/triton/ics           427T  123T  300T  29% /triton/ics
< 1352502543 412761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, that's not on a student budget.)
< 1352502568 492263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :want
< 1352502578 136905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many physical drives and servers is that
< 1352502608 203880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know; it's some kind of a SAN delivered by a company.
< 1352502614 358707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie++ # Filesys|
< 1352502670 100196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also manages somehow to be terribly slow when it comes to some tens of thousands of small files. According to docs, it's really optimilized for very large files.
< 1352502718 765223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimilitia
< 1352502734 664045 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When (if) I've got a decent job, in the far off future, imagine how much hard drive I can have!
< 1352502737 522975 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is crazy!
< 1352502747 276039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "really slow" I mean it took like two hours just to stat(2) 20k files in order to prune a file list; reading through a directory is fast enough, but MATLAB's dir function stats every file to find the size.
< 1352502753 462415 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If your license plate ends with an even number or 0, you fill up on even days"
< 1352502762 332509 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what sort of things do you have in 123 terabytes?
< 1352502816 504950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : It also manages somehow to be terribly slow when it comes to some tens of thousands of small files. According to docs, it's really optimilized for very large files.
< 1352502830 19654 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Moore's law, in 6 years I'll have 4 terabytes!
< 1352502831 557551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: make a filesystem optimised for small files as a file
< 1352502834 331067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on it
< 1352502834 743817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mount it loopback!
< 1352502840 311621 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: *of RAM
< 1352502850 387215 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of hard drive :(
< 1352502861 663946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "Scientific data", I suppose. It's a cluster shared by the CS, physics, chemistry and such folks. I would assume it mostly runs simulations.
< 1352502862 620926 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: 123 terabytes? Clearly, store Blurays raw.
< 1352502880 189445 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, of course
< 1352502980 764118 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saying that, I've got a laptop with 250 GB, an external with 130 GB, an external with 1 TB, and a computer from 2006 and one from 2001 so god knows how much hard drive they have
< 1352502985 108887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to pick a random job, someone's running "htseq.gencode_Sample_4.sh". I suspect some of the bio-computing folks.
< 1352502986 482971 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This adds up to about 2 TB
< 1352502987 681889 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1352502992 864403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has "gen" in it.
< 1352502993 371222 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel insignificant
< 1352503021 653242 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get a couple terabytes of bioinformatics data from the 'net to make yourself feel sciency
< 1352503085 688817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: The cluster has two (I think) nodes with 1 TB of RAM each, in the "hugemem" queue, for applications that need reasonable amounts of RAM.
< 1352503146 866478 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, across my house there is just over 2 TB of hard drive space. RAM, I've got no idea, about 20 GB, I think
< 1352503154 643989 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I living in the past?
< 1352503165 871456 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you like some lotto numbers?
< 1352503182 409424 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please.
< 1352503219 508777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have much more than maybe a total of 5-6 TB disk at home either.
< 1352503224 196219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, nearly anything is terribly slow with lots of small files
< 1352503251 312784 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My place of work probably has less RAM and hard drive than this computer
< 1352503253 492025 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only have 60 GB disk and 3 GB RAM in my laptop
< 1352503256 104752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not so slow that it takes *hours* with just 20k files.
< 1352503258 356701 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's a charity shop
< 1352503258 404264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i just ordered one with a bit more
< 1352503263 436356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok, that's bad
< 1352503291 139458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at ksplice we had the need to frequently generate chroots off some fixed template, do something with them, and then throw out the changes
< 1352503302 742253 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :initially we used a fancy unioning filesystem
< 1352503316 253397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was much faster to simply store the chroots as .tar.gz, decompress them to a ram disk, and then delete them
< 1352503327 836187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that way the only disk IO is a big sequential read
< 1352503454 868680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wondermark.com/884/
< 1352503487 151405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lustre has some kind of a complicated split-to-servers scheme, but it apparently makes initially starting an access on file a slow thing; once it's open, it can read bytes very fast. Sadly, our tools aren't really written with that in mind.
< 1352503508 163782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is your startup still classified
< 1352503512 306562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly
< 1352503517 805824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes
< 1352503528 672501 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have, like, a public page saying  what we do
< 1352503532 70656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we've been telling various people
< 1352503538 806718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you do
< 1352503541 600824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a text chat tool for businesses
< 1352503548 461251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in one sense, just glorified IRC in the browser
< 1352503553 541050 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has a different user experience from IRC
< 1352503559 900051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw i was hoping for something at least 10x more exciting than that
< 1352503563 920487 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well
< 1352503568 67057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you have it
< 1352503574 723156 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you want to do something more exciting, with me?
< 1352503581 30417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard everyone uses ninchat for that now.
< 1352503582 153474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you were working on bombs that exploded into kittens or something
< 1352503589 54529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: what are we talking here exactly
< 1352503589 803931 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can make a text chat tool for the MILITARY!
< 1352503594 779220 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahahaha!
< 1352503595 859582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok how about
< 1352503596 497030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1352503602 355058 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good idea
< 1352503615 518690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I haven't heard of anyone in particular actually using ninchat.)
< 1352503684 64438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh never heard of ninchat until now
< 1352503684 813230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1352503720 971668 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1352503738 713167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know kmc knows his competitors
< 1352503777 646959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thelliott
< 1352503801 753400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, it is a pretty different company and product from ksplice
< 1352503804 94904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly the same people
< 1352503806 46789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is interesting
< 1352503817 636010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who are the other people?
< 1352503823 374464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean
< 1352503859 128886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess I don't actually know most ksplice people.
< 1352503896 855110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's okay, i don't know most non-ksplice people
< 1352503907 340708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough!
< 1352503979 624245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people from "ksplice classic" who are still at oracle are andersk and spang
< 1352503985 479792 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nelhage left but went to stripe
< 1352503995 886099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has already implemented at least one EBCDIC-based financial systems protocol
< 1352504034 906223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming sucks
< 1352504042 37885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats shoveling coal
< 1352504092 965728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmers are like the only people in america who aren't unemployed
< 1352504106 550746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :america sucks too
< 1352504107 729215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact we are still in inexplicably high demand
< 1352504119 108960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that bubble is still going on isn't it
< 1352504122 913840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1352504126 764533 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bubble?
< 1352504127 183544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks paul graham
< 1352504130 349488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bubble
< 1352504145 219133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of jobs working for disruptive startups who are marketing services for other disruptive startups who are eventually going to disrupt each other all the way to bankruptcy auction
< 1352504162 334236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: look, if you haven't started a company by the age of 14, you're a failure and should kill yourself
< 1352504168 615065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :paul graham is just telling it like it is
< 1352504239 546192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YC came to MIT and gave a talk that was like "fuck MIT! drop out and do a startup" and then MIT did a talk that was like "fuck YC, we have our own incubator nobody has ever heard of!"
< 1352504287 633400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody loves capitalism
< 1352504288 531672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully i did not attend either
< 1352504359 177376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so weird that software startup culture is obsesseed with funding
< 1352504368 394570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's basically the least capital-intensive industry that could possibly exist
< 1352504391 803199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess getting a fat sack of cash is a nice way to demonstrate your worth that's easier than making a product people want or will pay money for
< 1352504419 777125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you have money you don't need a business model any more
< 1352504518 233294 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought getting lots of funding was how it worked during the dotcom bubble too.
< 1352504581 6224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to go back to the days where every company ended in .com
< 1352504589 565532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y combinator should be called startup.com
< 1352504599 350923 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :British East India Company.com
< 1352504608 971520 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: YES I AM TRAPPED IN FORTRAN HELP
< 1352504622 794554 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, y .combinator?
< 1352504626 938409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: shouldn't that just be britisheastindia.com
< 1352504633 274873 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :KALLISTI, if you look to your left you should see a door labelled "COBOL".
< 1352504635 265739 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't take it
< 1352504641 647139 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nah
< 1352504666 881053 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theeastindiacompany.com/ So...
< 1352504721 828359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they just need to be better at branding clearly
< 1352504731 462872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the east india company even do now
< 1352504746 234602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I do want to do is making up a open source FPGA and sell it, and I want to make sure the OpenCores stuff will run on there at good enough speed without wasting too much energy.
< 1352504746 421713 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :food, apparently
< 1352504761 57311 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no word on paramilitaries
< 1352504799 566866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When you hear our name you will probably already have a sense of who we are.  Deep within the world’s sub-consciousness is an awareness of The East India Company, powerful pictures of who we are. You’ll feel something for us; you’ll have a connection to us, even if you don’t know us."
< 1352504800 445306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1352504806 542875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is pretty much the most sinister opening ever
< 1352504819 736019 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm not entirely sure if it's satire.
< 1352504823 453390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Bike
< 1352504827 442240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I don't know anything about them; they are wrong.
< 1352504829 641975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how 'bout that eodermdrome interpreter
< 1352504835 727276 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the Ullman paper.
< 1352504866 609542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It’s not a new beginning, 
< 1352504866 694131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s a connection to heritage
< 1352504866 694302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s a continuation of a long tradition
< 1352504866 694411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s always been in our time
< 1352504866 694520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1352504875 861945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of freaked out by the east india company now
< 1352504878 137011 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it turns out that being completely naïve about graph theory makes it hard to write programs for it.
< 1352504899 66105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well wikipedia claims the east india company no longer exists
< 1352504902 878731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company_(disambiguation) is no help
< 1352505029 263505 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/883e56f6-9d90-11df-a37c-00144feab49a.html#axzz2BlxbIVOh
< 1352505097 697805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: KeithW just reminded me of one of the less obvious advantages of Mosh
< 1352505107 289082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, you should definitely familiarise yourself with adjacency matrices if you haven't already.
< 1352505110 312224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is that, an attacker can terminate a SSH connection by sending a single RST packet
< 1352505116 263331 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about as far as I got.
< 1352505116 341492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Mosh's transport layer is encrypted-authenticated
< 1352505154 476055 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well I know what those are at least.  I just napped through a lot of that part of discrete maths, and haven't written ay actual programs for this stuff before.
< 1352505177 47193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think we've talked about that advantage of Mosh before.
< 1352505184 269182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least that disadvantage of SSH.
< 1352505260 96112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs SSH.*packet
< 1352505265 730273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know how the log commands work.
< 1352505272 618122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog SSH.*packet
< 1352505292 602432 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1352505299 319243 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.18986
< 1352505342 377527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1352505383 629004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-09-01.txt:22:51:50:  kmc: "For example, an attacker can abort an SSH connection or an HTTPS connection by forging a single TCP Reset packet."
< 1352505408 535472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, that's a quote from curvecp.org
< 1352506268 619789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what are the consequences of that, besides DoS
< 1352506279 843719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it makes traffic analysis or session downgrade attacks easier
< 1352506330 363848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, as you pointed out, you still need to know the sequence number to send the RST packet.
< 1352506363 158053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how long it is before Chromium installs a shim that runs as root and reimplements TCP to their exact preferences using raw sockets
< 1352506498 212223 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1352506498 849472 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1352506634 894767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if people worry about "end-to-end" net neutrality
< 1352506651 639179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, instead of your ISP making certain sites slower, your browser or OS could do so
< 1352506671 175409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's already the case that Chrome performs better and is more secure when accessing Google sites, not for particularly nefarious reasons
< 1352506718 196593 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1352507263 541724 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's already the case that Chrome performs better and is more secure when accessing Google sites, not for particularly nefarious reasons <-- or anything else that offers SPDY
< 1352507270 61863 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is starting to appear
< 1352507289 102901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1352507294 458755 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the list of hard coded certificates won't be available to most other sites though
< 1352507324 32994 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some big non-google sites have that protection as well, like paypal
< 1352507370 734627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some vanity domains of the people who worked on the feature at google :3
< 1352507385 136268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there is a process for third parties to get included
< 1352507387 408052 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? heh
< 1352507392 469399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the HSTS preload if not the hardcoded certs
< 1352507402 651113 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352507421 929395 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean Chromium is open source right ;)
< 1352507431 498562 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1352507445 211928 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vast majority will be using Chrome not Chromium, just saying
< 1352507494 420289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't chrome pull from the open source project though
< 1352507514 137329 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure
< 1352507523 944311 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they can make their own modifications should they wish to
< 1352507524 90121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you use Chromium?
< 1352507535 775153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352507541 86206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you use libpdf.so?
< 1352507547 111790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so
< 1352507564 532978 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what is libpdf.so?
< 1352507568 915066 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :something from poppler?
< 1352507575 363177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A plugin from Chrome to view PDFs in-browser.
< 1352507580 500451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's binary-only.
< 1352507583 734342 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352507588 713763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use it but it crashes Chromium now.
< 1352507612 850989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pop a Poppler in your mouth when you come to Fishy Joe's / What they're made of is a mystery, where they come from no-one knows"
< 1352507627 71231 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains the difference in behaviour between Windows and Linux chrom(e|ium) PDF behaviour
< 1352507643 64298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can pick 'em you can lick 'em you can chew 'em you can stick 'em / If you promise not to sue us you can shove one up your nose."
< 1352507656 814658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Chrome has the PDF viewer on every platform now, I think.
< 1352507659 675824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not Chromium.
< 1352507676 268859 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I thought it was just some compile time option that was off, or the version that was different
< 1352507683 520960 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess that was the cause then
< 1352507703 806657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having a PDF viewer in the browser is pretty great. :-(
< 1352507750 963776 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, eh, making evince or whatever load takes like 2 seconds
< 1352507778 702211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What if you're "one of those people" who has hundreds of tabs open?
< 1352507780 855195 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for the PDF app I use on windows, which I forgot the name of. It isn't adobe reader
< 1352507782 301194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And half of them are PDFs.
< 1352507802 920682 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: What if you're "one of those people" who has hundreds of tabs open? <-- I used to be one of those, nowdays I'm down to maybe 50
< 1352507808 316737 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : And half of them are PDFs. <-- lol what
< 1352507813 19609 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need so many tabs?
< 1352507851 995116 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll let shachaf explain that
< 1352507856 825503 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to sleep, good night
< 1352507863 111295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll let Vorpal explain that.
< 1352507888 363105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! He needs to sleeps, good night.
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< 1352508045 78551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs For Sleeps III: Sweets Dreams
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< 1352509703 881467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also intend to make up a new computer, as much hardware open source as possible and all built-in software open source, as much simplify as possible, includes a DVD with many games, a complete manual (including pinouts, schematics, detail of built-in software, licenses, jumpers, BIOS calls, instruction set, etc)
< 1352509725 314778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Often I find computers today their manual is incomplete.
< 1352509891 178586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they contain mistakes too
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< 1352512757 553253 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Am I online?"
< 1352512759 194300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "Am I online?"
< 1352512776 124284 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just ping, you know.
< 1352512793 355238 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1352512793 942292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1352512840 313205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depend what you are trying to check; sometimes I use PING command to the server to check connection to server. To check client connection, is different.
< 1352512879 705982 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't sure about @ping
< 1352512994 447621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there is any MML compiler for Csound?
< 1352513134 641169 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.ezyang.com/2012/11/plan-9-mounts-and-dependency-injection/
< 1352513134 688156 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This makes me want to use Plan 9
< 1352513142 274883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"use"
< 1352513240 336937 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1352513240 831006 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1352513313 996612 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What time did I say that I want to use Plan 9?
< 1352513322 807931 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I do have some use cases for the sort of thing that that article talks about
< 1352513540 14223 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1352513540 393124 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1352513554 933784 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat says my lag is 12.4 seconds, but I saw that almost instantly
< 1352513592 97612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what use-cases
< 1352513702 890975 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taking an IRC bot and making it talk on a different protocol without writing a fake IRC server.
< 1352513749 913958 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why on earth would writing a fake server be the solution there
< 1352513761 467211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you actually written an irc bot
< 1352513769 683558 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, several.
< 1352513780 753508 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm thinking more of bots whose code I am too lazy to change
< 1352513819 607187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do those bots run on plan 9
< 1352513856 836004 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a Tcl implementation that runs on Plan 9? Is there a Python implementation that runs on Plan 9?
< 1352513875 360737 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, hmm, I think the Tcl bot uses some library that uses native code, for XML stuff :(
< 1352513882 388553 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1352513884 165926 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not entirely sure
< 1352513919 564273 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more to the point, does the socket stuff in the irc library work on plan 9 and bla bla bla bla
< 1352513921 510531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really dont see how youd be able to use an existing program and do those things
< 1352513925 40775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since
< 1352513927 635971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :youd need an actual file to override
< 1352513932 120560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so itd have to do networking plan 9-style
< 1352513936 427003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which a compatibility layer... wouldnt
< 1352513980 384975 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't the networking API of a Plan 9 implementation of those languages do Plan 9 style networking when the application does what it thinks are normal networking calls?
< 1352513983 942355 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it would be easier to write an x86/OS emulator that would automatically translate into appopriate protocol thingamajiggers.
< 1352513996 348305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if it does networking plan 9 style
< 1352514004 393189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'm pretty sure you'd have to actually supply the whole dial() device thing
< 1352514013 793815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget how it actually works though
< 1352514020 38612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dont really see how this is viable with any kind of compatibility layer
< 1352514031 671926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said i approve of use of plan 9
< 1352514034 830521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a beautiful system
< 1352514091 361638 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Inferno a sort of successor?
< 1352514091 491282 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1352514092 61227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1352514121 446489 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less than a minute later. I'm impressed.
< 1352514160 589647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plan 9 is still based on the idea that C is the end-all of programming languages and the byte is the most perfect data structure, right?
< 1352514163 794124 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess inferno is not
< 1352514263 38431 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I going to see Plan 9-style beauty by looking at Inferno, is my question I guess
< 1352514374 87966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :inferno is like plan 9 but in a vm but weird and there's limbo and stuff
< 1352514380 2580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also its deader than plan 9 afaik
< 1352514388 475774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since some people actually use plan 9 and i dont think anyone really uses inferno
< 1352514392 212031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i dont know why youd look at it
< 1352514398 479411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well sort of
< 1352514401 377718 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Limbo bad?
< 1352514417 392967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it takes the directory tree as the most perfect data structure moreso, also its C language is better than standard C
< 1352514422 454127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but yes that is its main problem
< 1352514427 148383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh it also has excellent Unicode support obviously
< 1352514434 906006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since invented UTF-8 etc.
< 1352514442 230810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: idk
< 1352514444 533611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its weird
< 1352514618 962227 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping at 12:29PM my time.
< 1352514619 10494 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1352514619 113100 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, 21
< 1352514619 262779 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1352514619 562759 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1352514628 72878 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was shockingly fast
< 1352514734 572169 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it takes a while for there to be a connection
< 1352514742 26473 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it sends all my line squickly
< 1352514745 437472 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... darn it
< 1352514750 421237 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I would look like a really fast typer
< 1352514760 463617 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah
< 1352514764 982583 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo
< 1352514765 30519 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bar
< 1352514765 30718 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Baz
< 1352514890 310455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352514909 372661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is its C better than standard C
< 1352514955 455878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget all the changes but all the ones it does have are good changes
< 1352514974 796628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like its IO library isn't nearly as dumb
< 1352514986 284269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its linking system is much better (no -l at the command-line)
< 1352514992 981273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the nice struct inclusion thing go has
< 1352514998 526077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and GNU C, as an extension nobody uses)
< 1352515021 402630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it does cross-compilation much much better
< 1352515025 695206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plan 9 has excellent cross-architecture support
< 1352515032 813136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it was built to handle distributed systems that used multiple architectures
< 1352515035 579777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one filesystem
< 1352515047 302137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course it has actual unicode support
< 1352515055 736198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BMP only because it predates >16-bit Unicode, unfortunately)
< 1352515153 920332 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1352515315 131319 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which struct inclusion?
< 1352515454 505002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct foo { struct bar; ... }
< 1352515462 572614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if bar has element x you can do f.x where struct foo f;
< 1352515473 874341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like "inheritance" but it's actually composition
< 1352515483 617645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1352515487 965415 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you want a struct that actually has a struct as an element?
< 1352515488 602136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this just happens automatically in gnu c?
< 1352515489 671971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the -l removal thing is done by having pragmas in the header files that specify what library to link with fwiw)
< 1352515494 579731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: then you do struct bar y;
< 1352515499 639091 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh.
< 1352515500 226234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see
< 1352515508 869400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no it just supports the same syntax (iirc, maybe it is actually different) if you enable the extension with a flag
< 1352515534 23944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty gross yet enjoyable, like 
< 1352515550 859424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most gnu c extensions don't require a flag beyond -std=gnu99 or whatever, which is default
< 1352515607 686715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://doc.cat-v.org/plan_9/programming/c_programming_in_plan_9 is a decent introduction to Plan 9 C
< 1352515627 194192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though a practical one rather than one that explains why Plan 9's programming environment feels so well-designed
< 1352515651 231838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right plan 9 also has a networking library that doesn't make me want to die
< 1352515654 266990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a nice improvement over BSD sockets
< 1352515656 872930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which does make me want to die
< 1352515675 684296 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1352515923 335245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an important distinction
< 1352516129 370283 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352516258 812533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to die, then you should first check if you are sure, and if you are really sure then die.
< 1352516271 765552 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :words to live by
< 1352516279 666983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can they be expressed in flowchart form
< 1352516292 301702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What if you checked and found out that you're sure, but then didn't check that you're sure you're sure?
< 1352516354 915339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Then too bad you have to learn to try again, that is why you should wait a while after you sleep then you can think of that and try again
< 1352516472 333149 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh, I'm obsessed by instruction set design
< 1352516537 143922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What instruction sets do you design?
< 1352516692 917445 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually they're in the family of early RISCs
< 1352516706 996687 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :avoiding out of order execution basically
< 1352516741 548232 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but trying to avoid ending up with something impossible to pipeline like the 6502
< 1352516769 999194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the ARM2 instruction set OK?
< 1352516792 603714 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :often the results look kinda like the ARM instruction set yes
< 1352516913 471090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you send anything to Famicompo Mini vol.9? I have send some, but I won't tell you which one.
< 1352516959 148504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One instruction set I want to have is some instruction set which the Checkout esolang compile into easily and have a hardware implementation (in some hardware description language)
< 1352516965 142309 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, this time around I didn't care enough and didn't make anything
< 1352517019 392278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you download it?
< 1352517031 227085 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't really listen to it
< 1352517096 717410 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Famicompo?
< 1352517111 712830 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: NSF song competition
< 1352517112 218124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Music contest involving .NSF format
< 1352517118 696997 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1352517130 632671 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSF is music ripped from NES games
< 1352517142 684657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use any number of expansions (including multiple expansions) or no expansions.
< 1352517147 152248 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing it actually involves running a small NES emulator
< 1352517191 351484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not always is ripped you can make up your own music using various programs such as ppMCK and FamiTracker.
< 1352517224 127457 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah for Famicompo you make your own song
< 1352517225 293804 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352517267 780317 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can actually play the songs from famicompo if you have a powerpak cart... or at least, the ones that don't use expansions
< 1352517299 823508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always use ppMCK (although I have made various improvements to ppMCK, so now it has track questioning commands, subroutines, tail recursion, text replacement macros, custom tuning, and various other things)
< 1352517301 790448 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fit in the powerpak (max 256k data I think)
< 1352517305 136628 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was confused by all the talk of instruction sets.
< 1352517343 599080 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :instruction set design is hard :o
< 1352517361 638959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried in before to design instruction set.
< 1352517370 537126 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, but is that related to chiptuning, or what
< 1352517372 611839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have designed some instruction sets for virtual machines, though.
< 1352517392 17953 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: yes
< 1352517396 782976 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, NSF is
< 1352517401 285830 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not instruction sets :D
< 1352517495 438003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you used some effect with multi channels with the same notes but with different delay, duty, octave, etc?
< 1352517913 997576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as in "ctfinal" the M and N channels play the same notes but with a different delay, duty, volume, and octave; same with a and channels, and the C and O channels play the same notes with no delay but they have a different waveform, and uses detune, etc
< 1352518012 249602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I have set up effect at the start like       M @@0@v1     and     N @@1@v2r16K12     and then when the notes are played like      MN l4o4 ce-gc' ^1 b-2gb- ^c'^2 ce-a- ^1 g2f^8a-8 gfe-d    it will use effects that are set.
< 1352518016 987950 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352518042 92866 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1352518042 457171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1352518091 344935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you said you used Impulse Tracker? So you would have to program the effects differently
< 1352518190 203696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would have to write them manually I guess, or use copy/paste
< 1352519285 997166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time flash plugin crashes, take a shot
< 1352519392 292038 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often use fake delay and detuning and layering yes
< 1352519425 743854 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use copy/paste a lot
< 1352519946 206478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.salon.com/2012/11/09/white_house_obama_will_veto_any_bill_extending_tax_cuts_for_those_making_more_than_250k/singleton/ journalism
< 1352519958 707298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how it is by 
< 1352520040 855942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you program NSF effects in Impulse Tracker anyways?
< 1352520051 33049 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: guess the wire doesn't have much capacity
< 1352520110 653338 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: depends on the converter
< 1352520119 526496 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are like 3 different converters
< 1352520149 733154 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you use?
< 1352520166 526003 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :all 3 :D
< 1352520180 784057 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s3m2nsf is the simples
< 1352520181 274043 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1352520205 773542 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :only supports VRC6, no special macros
< 1352520218 820040 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it simply plays the s3m with the NES waveforms as the samples
< 1352520251 924322 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some freak reason, s3m note frequencies and NES ones are the same
< 1352520362 940147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But wouldn't you still have to program in the duty of square waves?
< 1352520405 132543 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it simply uses instrument 1,2,3,4 as duties 12%,25%,50%,75%
< 1352520438 753459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, although VRC6 supports different duty than 2A03 (and VRC6 also lacks 75% duty)
< 1352520439 217211 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 5 as triangle wave, 6 noise, 7 short noise, 8+ dpcm
< 1352520463 142843 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: oh yeah forgot about those
< 1352520490 955798 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember how it maps the VRC6 duties but it's just instrument numbers too
< 1352520557 953590 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second converter is it2nsf and it supports a lot more stuff
< 1352520565 171742 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially all expansions
< 1352520570 764751 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MML macros
< 1352520585 615221 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you have to enter them in the song comments and it parses that)
< 1352520617 511907 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :some IT stuff like note off commands
< 1352520664 248329 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :third converter is supernsf which is the one that does software mixing for multichannel PCM
< 1352520900 626809 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it use the MMC5 8-bit PCM?
< 1352520948 132463 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunnp
< 1352520949 444525 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1352520970 320897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MMC5 8-bit PCM is the only feature which ppMCK does not support.
< 1352520983 277517 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :supernsf uses the same hw as the DPCM
< 1352520988 22592 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just writes the value
< 1352520997 46933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so it uses 7-bit PCM, then.
< 1352521001 105803 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352521372 537459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you used ppMCK or any other programs to write a .NSF music other than the three you mentioned?
< 1352521573 97559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I would like to have is program to compile MML into MOD/S3M/IT modules; do you know of any such software?
< 1352521608 389328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: btw plan 9's rc shell is also much better than any unix shell I know of
< 1352521620 738507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in terms of the language, not the interactive features, of which it has none; that's all in the terminal in plan 9)
< 1352521634 44884 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I just use IT + converter
< 1352521654 880376 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never tried MML actually
< 1352521776 463366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be difficult to do because you may have various features in MML which the module formats does not support, including desynchronized loops and having multiple effects running simultaneously and subroutines and various other things
< 1352521791 550938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used Impulse Tracker and ModPlug Tracker, but I find MML is much better.
< 1352521805 155890 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people don't; and that is OK you can use what you prefer.
< 1352521891 267298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which expansion audio have you used in .NSF?
< 1352521892 125511 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but most of these things are very rare in music
< 1352521939 664881 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think the limit of having only one effect blocks many things but in real life usage it's really not that bad at all
< 1352521964 112368 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :most effects are either used on note on or after note on and are more or less mutually exclusive
< 1352521987 27325 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :desynchronized loops in not useful in music
< 1352522002 54926 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :subroutines I just do with copy paste
< 1352522073 914417 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I do sometimes have some channels playing a much shorter loop than others
< 1352522100 21915 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is an exact multiple, it could easily be compiled into a format that does not support that, by automatically making as many copies as needed
< 1352522442 15641 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :has to be on beat
< 1352522450 729720 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so of course it's all going to be powers of 2
< 1352522491 211991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the time signature could be 3/4 or something else like that
< 1352522645 92886 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly it's much easier to listen to your song as you make it in the tracker
< 1352522731 998014 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that a much larger advantage that anything you'd win from subroutine stuff
< 1352522743 668117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe to you it is.
< 1352522764 356233 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the different between music and programming :D
< 1352522809 901675 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's better to copy paste a section of music
< 1352522809 970722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even deaf people can write music.
< 1352522852 165885 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :than to have multiple links to one piece of data
< 1352522867 349778 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you copy paste it's much easier to modify it
< 1352522874 342703 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :without changing the other copies
< 1352522965 484455 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's something you want to do a LOT
< 1352522982 21996 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :variation is the key
< 1352522992 395285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To you it is. To me, well, sometimes I want to make a copy with variation, but other times I don't want.
< 1352523009 784331 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't want variation you just copy paste
< 1352523016 761764 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But especially if it is a multi-channel effect I don't want to have to change everything in all channels
< 1352523042 431316 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm, in that case you're right
< 1352523094 945172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course in MML you can still copy/paste too (and use any other functions your text editor has, such as regular expressions), and I use that too.
< 1352523129 237659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just find it easier to write music using MML, although this is not the case for everyone.
< 1352523179 827302 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's because you're a programmer
< 1352523289 912956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even things specific to music such as to indicate if I want D sharp or E flat (which are the same note, but written differently), or even double sharp possibly, or to change ostinato, including short drum loops, to just write it once and have it loop
< 1352523348 159151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And comments; sometimes I want to keep track of what chords I want and so on
< 1352523493 176704 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want to use a double sharp
< 1352523521 990741 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is rare, but there are some cases in which such thing would be used.
< 1352523570 292479 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when
< 1352523576 513130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing which is rare but sometimes used is to change the time signature in different parts of the music, and what is even more rare is for the right hand and left hand to have different time signatures.
< 1352523607 680522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: One case is if your key signature has sharps, and you want to raise one of those notes in one case, you would use a double sharp.
< 1352523804 351637 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really only important in staff notation
< 1352523819 898963 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just really when it's the most readable notation, which is very rare
< 1352523961 911631 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at least I find it easier to write music when keeping track of things such as this.
< 1352523985 413869 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because you're a programmer
< 1352524019 494044 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you're punching in notes for the sound it doesn't matter if your Gm chord is G A# D
< 1352524047 266030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is because I know how to write music.
< 1352524065 256674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't just make up notes at random to see if it sound right.
< 1352524102 781297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think of the notes I want and then put them in.
< 1352524112 633526 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352524117 536729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like anyone who write music would do.
< 1352524122 142741 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I do is that I think of notes
< 1352524127 458712 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then try them
< 1352524129 450039 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :listen
< 1352524134 561351 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I like it, keep
< 1352524150 222236 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I don't like it, try to see if I can make it better
< 1352524174 54002 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's easy to get "happy accidents"
< 1352524183 223807 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you'll want to keep and elaborate on ofc
< 1352524259 435144 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it helps when you try 2 or 3 voicings for a chord
< 1352524263 947013 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and chose the best one
< 1352524380 401302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would just think of if it is OK or not; there is no need to try it until after it is written.
< 1352524416 379214 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]
< 1352524447 134665 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you play your stuff on a keyboard as you compose it?
< 1352524451 938002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some composers are deaf they cannot listen to it at all. However, they are much better composers than I am anyways.
< 1352524455 405228 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sing to yourself?
< 1352524462 520145 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Sometimes, but usually I just think of it.
< 1352524474 74310 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's beethoven but that was a special case
< 1352524513 808691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have a piano but usually (not always) I find it sufficient to think of it, and using the classical musical theory.
< 1352524591 858949 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory won't tell you if a melody works or not
< 1352524593 389219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can often be easier when written down, though, especially the chords.
< 1352524625 642139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes, I know, but if I can think of the melody then I could know the melody.
< 1352524629 459948 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if a given progression of chord voicings don't work even tho they're correct in theory
< 1352524739 388329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, with chord voicings I do sometimes find it necessary to try it, although not always; the chords I may play on piano, although I may write them down on a normal musical notation; melody I can usually just think of and write using MML.
< 1352524792 767430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But like I said not always, so even when writing the chords directly using MML I will write comments so that I know what chord I want instead of having to read the notes (even when writing on paper, I write the chord symbols so I know what chords I want; this is same idea)
< 1352524871 686709 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But usually I will know that I want this voice to go up and down, and that voice to go down and up, and then work the chords around that.
< 1352524975 458313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the voices may be written like separate melody or accompaniment
< 1352525072 850701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know the classical music theory, and it works for me, although I usually don't need any theory to know if the melody is good.
< 1352525108 642333 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know jazz theory?
< 1352525121 408283 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't know jazz
< 1352525314 600260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My sister studied both classical and jazz
< 1352525795 528961 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you don't listen to your stuff as you compose it, how do you know when to follow the rules and when not to? :D
< 1352525865 458659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how I know, somehow I usually know, though; some other composers do too and I don't know how they know either.
< 1352525918 579997 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how do you mix your nsf music?
< 1352525928 288183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using ppMCK.
< 1352525963 478218 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do multiple conversions adjusting stuff each time?
< 1352526069 258990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I do something I realize I didn't like, then yes I will adjust something each time, but usually I don't need unless I made a mistake. Usually the first thing I would do is to write only a few bars to figure out the effects I want, and then I know what effects and the rest of the music I can write all at once since I can think of that.
< 1352526354 974716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Famicompo Mini vol.7 has a few files in original section using multiple expansions, but in vol.9 there is only one file in original section which uses multiple expansions.
< 1352526382 582136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which expansions have you used?
< 1352526392 511578 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :vrc6, vrc7
< 1352526402 79480 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially vrc7
< 1352526469 152539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did write a program to test VRC7 patches, although I wrote it a while ago before I know really how it works, so it is very unlikely to work on a real hardware and runs only on an emulator, but it is good enough for my use.
< 1352526501 29624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although sometimes there is no need and I just know if I want a pure sine wave it is easy and it is not necessary to test it at first.
< 1352526506 837257 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would probably have done the patches on adlib tracker 2 (OPL3)
< 1352526514 28355 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and translated them
< 1352526537 336745 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I used only default patches
< 1352526624 169687 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think it has all features of OPL3, so I don't expect that to work.
< 1352526637 741869 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, using only the subset that works ofc
< 1352526757 945525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a .NES file to test the VRC7 patches instead (it test both the built-in and custom patches), although what you suggest might work too.
< 1352526816 501940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you used VRC6 and VRC7 together?
< 1352526882 887805 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1352526903 405340 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mix of regular nes channels and vrc7 is already crazy enough :D
< 1352526949 240795 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write more opl3 music
< 1352526963 372405 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not enough opl3 specific music (using custom patches etc)
< 1352526992 858786 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there Csound program to emulate OPL3?
< 1352527036 891148 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an OPL3 emulation in the MAME source code
< 1352527082 487828 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some of the features are wrong but very few people used those so in actual use (ie games on dosbox) it works
< 1352527121 232415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Csound has its own programming language for writing music.
< 1352527157 200222 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's why I don't use Csound
< 1352527268 666774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The orchestra format is OK, but the score format seem wouldn't be very good to write music and MML would be better; but, Csound only support the numeric score. (A program could be written to convert MML to numeric score, and I might write such a program.)
< 1352527309 447747 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude
< 1352527325 182990 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh you should learn to use something like ableton
< 1352527331 883491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do like the Csound orchestra format.
< 1352527340 765675 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or reaper or cubase or fruity loops
< 1352527345 212902 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or etc...
< 1352527361 765441 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs that are designed for, you know, composing music
< 1352527365 907141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used some of those and I find they don't help.
< 1352527410 446188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you want to write your own instrument program; for this, I find Csound is very good and I have experimented with some instrument sounds using Csound.
< 1352527529 906659 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather use something like synthedit for designing instruments
< 1352527567 114711 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use C++ and make a nice tight VST that other ppl can use too
< 1352527768 891107 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for me csound is in the same category as max/msp and puredata and supercollider and whatever else
< 1352527789 549771 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :toys until someone can demonstrate a serious musical use
< 1352527827 202942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er max/msp is used to make actual music that people buy
< 1352527859 713743 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube link
< 1352527866 666979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1352527890 298416 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :link to a song that is actual music that people buy and that uses max/msp
< 1352527906 530723 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh, elliott ! hope you know your music
< 1352527914 105942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a trick question where you define "actual music" as "not whatever i linked to"
< 1352527919 696416 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1352527939 796112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right off the top of my head i know autechre use max extensively for example
< 1352527958 707111 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha yeah ok that definitely counts
< 1352527972 64459 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :max costs money so probably people use it for actual things???
< 1352527979 682513 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad "roi" otherwise
< 1352528008 338526 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :akira yamaoka uses max, he scores video games and crap.
< 1352528008 477089 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's not about the money
< 1352528034 569812 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't buy roi with happiness
< 1352528034 711649 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad "roi" ?
< 1352528038 365304 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :return on investment
< 1352528046 703249 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean money roi or usage roi?
< 1352528052 390965 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :roi roi
< 1352528064 73173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like VST, although Csound can be compiled with support for VST (in both directions) if you need it. Csound can also load MIDI sequences if that would help you too.
< 1352528082 976561 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with vst?
< 1352528152 983378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has restrictive licensing, is Windows only, requires a GUI to use, and some others. Nevertheless Csound can use VST if it is helpful to do so.
< 1352528198 84015 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows/mac
< 1352528213 710515 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's like the least stupid of the plugin APIs
< 1352528235 838971 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AU is like 10 times more restrictive, RTAS like 100 times
< 1352528253 167269 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it does not require a GUI
< 1352528286 42522 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :making GUI-less VSTs is actually really easy
< 1352528296 127005 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier than with a gui ofc
< 1352528317 699568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes but some VSTs requires GUI.
< 1352528328 902918 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with that
< 1352528385 701034 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing much, but still, I think Csound is much better (actually Csound can use GUI too)
< 1352528418 7857 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still sometimes some things can be difficult to do when a GUI is required.
< 1352528473 279894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does VST require a different program for Windows and Macintosh computers?
< 1352528523 784384 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't tried compiling VSTs on macos
< 1352528530 966767 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I dunno how different
< 1352528562 315788 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you don't need too much source changes and it might all be handled in the VST header stuff
< 1352528595 550766 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with preprocessors)
< 1352528631 909754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, still you need to compile it separately on the other computer, which is not always required with Csound and Pure Data and whatever (although you still do need to if you are using native code, although probably no source changes will be needed, at least with Csound and no GUI, I think)
< 1352528746 434319 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still find Csound is a good way to write instrument sounds. Yet if you need VST, you can use that with Csound too.
< 1352528820 313643 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound makes sense for generating samples that you'll load up in a more practical composition tool imho
< 1352528861 847422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that won't work so well if you need parameters, though. But if you don't need parameters, that works.
< 1352528907 194973 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you load csound as a vst?
< 1352528912 958789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes you can.
< 1352528954 363621 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok in that case it's potentially useful
< 1352528954 421670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you do that then you can use parameters too.
< 1352528990 303172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound can also load MIDI files in case you use a MIDI program (or external MIDI instrument) to write the music.
< 1352529009 567425 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's not what you want to do
< 1352529018 527531 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to pipe your midi into the VST
< 1352529038 587339 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :from your host sequencer, real time
< 1352529062 916770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound can do that too, whether or not you use VST.
< 1352529200 994505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also some front-ends available for Csound.
< 1352529240 69469 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sold on the idea of front-ends
< 1352529277 95247 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno for sound programs but for emulators, the ones that use front-ends are the worst
< 1352529305 718177 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better to have the gui and emu code as one program
< 1352529409 602656 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to locate a csound DLL I could load
< 1352529471 420151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use any of the front-ends myself, but some day I may write a program to compile MML to Csound numeric score, to write music with it, as the numeric score format seems a terrible way to write any music (although some people have written music this way).
< 1352529489 666840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes I think there is DLL the documentation should mention it I think.
< 1352529517 69590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think for VST, you need to have VST support compiled in; I don't think VST support is compiled in by default, for some reason I don't know.
< 1352529531 884075 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to compile shit
< 1352529537 165657 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a DLL I can play with
< 1352529567 990991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can download the DLL for VST separately and it will work; I haven't checked. But the documentation does say you can use VST both ways.
< 1352529735 410681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says: CsoundVST is a multi-function front end for Csound, based on the Csound API. CsoundVST runs as a stand-alone graphical user interface to Csound, and it also runs as a VST instrument or effect plugin in VST hosts such as Cubase with the same user interface. CsoundVST is part of the main csound source tree, but is not included in standard distributions, due to licensing limitations of Steinberg's VST SDK.
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< 1352530332 736690 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that CsoundVST binaries are not available just because SourceForge does not allow it; you may be able to download it from elsewhere or to compile it yourself and host it somewhere, or whatever.
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< 1352531320 255665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even if you want to load live MIDI data from one program to another, you can use the MIDI Yoke driver which allows this.
< 1352531535 230169 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I want to avoid that kind of hacks
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< 1352535410 539739 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is your Forth adventure system still online somewhere?
< 1352535567 522590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I don't think so.
< 1352535608 1272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A few things are broken and don't work properly, although I have it on my computer and if you want you can get it and correct these problems.
< 1352536259 68550 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly I wanted to see how it's done? :-)
< 1352536397 724929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The program is also badly written, although I can post it here:  http://sprunge.us/RUiH
< 1352536452 774400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’ve written some very ugly Haskell code that creates a vector using destructive updates. It is in fact an imperative algorithm, not a functional one. When the initialization is over the vector is frozen using unsafeFreeze. I wrote my code using read and write functions, tested it using QuickCheck and when the tests passed I switched to unsafeRead and unsafeWrite to make my program faster. Some time later I started getting random segfaults ...
< 1352536458 855698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :... when running my tests. This never happened before in any of my Haskell programs so I almost panicked. At first I didn’t had a slightest idea how to even approach this problem. I suspected that this might even be a bug in GHC.
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< 1352537343 345285 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why haskell programmers don't write tests, you know
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< 1352538484 376222 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it you tested the changed version with QuickCheck, too?
< 1352538982 652228 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(source: http://ics.p.lodz.pl/~stolarek/blog/2012/11/how-to-shoot-yourself-in-the-foot-with-haskell/ )
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< 1352541251 703249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Norwegian convicted of the massacre of 77 people last year has said he is being held in "inhumane" conditions.
< 1352541254 885797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anders Behring Breivik complained in a letter to the prison service that his coffee is served cold, he does not have enough butter for his bread, and he is not allowed moisturiser."
< 1352541260 542301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds quite terrible indeed.
< 1352541285 530137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also his cell is "poorly decorated and has no view".
< 1352541306 813385 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooh nooooooo
< 1352541319 232353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are possibly things to keep in mind next time you feel like killing 77 people; you might end up in a place where the coffee is often cold.
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< 1352552601 808954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
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< 1352562060 900451 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys should i get the prison architect alpha or wait
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< 1352570876 304989 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advice: writing a library in Haskell for interfacing with Tumblr is NOT a productive use of time.
< 1352570882 264704 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it can prove educational.
< 1352570907 87170 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the lesson, apis for web 3.0 services suck?
< 1352570980 799454 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More "these are some good http libraries for Haskell"
< 1352571000 390309 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"here's how to stop them redirecting on a 301 error"
< 1352571040 158218 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :301 isn't an error.
< 1352571101 87074 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It caused errors :(
< 1352571174 598051 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means that a page has moved.  an http client is supposed to request the page moved to to finish the request.
< 1352571202 522220 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not when it's used in the Tumblr API, it isn't
< 1352571239 139704 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which brings us back to my proposed lesson.
< 1352571247 125478 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means "Here's some info about the image, but look! The image is actually here!"
< 1352571249 303410 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1352571250 526822 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's it mean in tumblr?
< 1352571253 218375 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1352571298 460501 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1352572581 865837 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352572714 972078 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1352573803 74633 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is over 24 hours of Homestuck music
< 1352573866 122109 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make it about 26 hours
< 1352574005 48504 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a silly webcomic only 3 years old, that's a lot
< 1352574006 815429 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1352574013 857392 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, for a webcomic that's a lot
< 1352574018 834215 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact in fact, that's a lot
< 1352574154 524644 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The superlative doesn't need narrowing
< 1352574208 916461 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, according to QI, horses are the deadliest animals in australia
< 1352574492 744304 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1352574741 825856 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: dinner
< 1352575006 370679 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That's disappointing
< 1352575583 51737 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1352575850 411902 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1352575963 619378 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352576481 48863 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1352576640 440543 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, but i thought the deadliest animal was... man
< 1352576651 874825 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only in Tasmania
< 1352576673 21977 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352576697 348565 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1352576784 71013 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :taz is the most dangerous animal in tasmania, silly
< 1352576787 71407 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352576892 224502 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352576901 844133 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1352577153 220042 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey
< 1352578187 70318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1352578247 608270 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352578752 854406 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352578982 544902 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches the new My Little Pony
< 1352578993 613646 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm blaming Gregor for this.
< 1352579012 837985 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it's more the fault of meatspace people.
< 1352579015 225800 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, if you excuse me, I've got some Adventure Time to be watching.
< 1352579019 321117 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's next.
< 1352579106 999885 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: SPOILARZ: They all die.
< 1352579118 794690 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And suddenly, an 11 episode funeral!
< 1352579617 552199 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's weird, but I am a *lot* more comfortable watching MLP now that I came ultra-mega-hyper-out.
< 1352579641 54181 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lawl, that's gay" "Yup, I like cock so much I'm dating a woman with one. Problem? *trollface*"
< 1352579647 331764 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1352579693 49378 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you implying FIM isn't for heterosexual men
< 1352579717 192478 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just that I had slight latent fears of being accused of being gay.
< 1352579730 618924 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In spite of actually not being heterosexual.
< 1352579773 486828 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I've just had rough experiences with people IRL being dicks, and not in the sense that I like. :P
< 1352579781 6786 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is coming ultra-mega-hyper-out much different from coming regular-plain-ol'-out?
< 1352579809 254966 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Yes, it's about 3 times as much outness.
< 1352579814 303656 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means pkhq is dating a transsexual pony, apparently
< 1352579817 229185 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1352579826 855034 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not a pony.
< 1352579837 944878 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it involves screaming unto the heaven while volcanoes erupt and cities crumble
< 1352579859 345852 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I managed to inform people that I'm bisexual atheist dating a trans woman, not heterosexual Christian single.
< 1352579910 143006 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the last, I would've just neglected to mention the trans bit, and it would've been merely twice-out or such, except it's a bit hard to be *discrete* when she's only started working on her voice.)
< 1352580183 726901 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: you mean "discreet", not "discrete"
< 1352580195 415811 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I do.
< 1352580198 604771 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're trying to say that her voice forces you to be continuous ;)
< 1352580218 865376 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I usually use the math word, so I sometimes slip up when using the "normal" word. :)
< 1352580256 282759 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your voice is so bad, it makes me thrice differentiable!"
< 1352580261 60019 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1352580446 169616 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, not so much "bad" as it is "it's very much male".
< 1352580462 413153 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whiich is a dead giveaway, isn't it?
< 1352580561 970275 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily.
< 1352580593 766537 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know many cis women who speak in a baritone.
< 1352580687 896957 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a man with long hair, I can assure you that people are more stupid than you can possibly imagine.
< 1352580713 896116 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uhhh, ma'am?" "I'm at a urinal, you FUCKING IMBECILE"
< 1352580726 171067 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, I *have* experienced that.
< 1352580735 785006 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not a man with long hair, but was for several years
< 1352580754 549409 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was awesome turning around.
< 1352580766 987495 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uh, ma'am?" *turns around* "Ah, sorry."
< 1352580774 349687 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also had an epic beard for the latter half of that.
< 1352580793 121028 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have... a scruffy goatee. And it's kinda generous to call it a goatee X-D
< 1352580919 586963 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently, I've got a maybe a couple weeks' growth full beard.
< 1352580947 468549 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My scruffy goatee is several month's growth full beard.
< 1352580955 881674 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*just that manly*
< 1352580972 358637 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several month's growth on me is a UNIX beard.
< 1352580998 152000 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :several months growth on me is a light fuzz
< 1352581093 521089 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1352581261 771458 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric
< 1352581329 71841 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Have you considered being more manly?
< 1352581417 647061 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Several months growth for me is a light fuzz on the upper lip.
< 1352581424 855237 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a scruffy goatee on the chin.
< 1352581430 24934 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a few days...
< 1352581749 29627 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: nope
< 1352582092 354002 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352582537 372062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only been mistaken as a lady (from behind) a few rare times. Once at a beach by a drunken man, that was probably the most memorable of them.
< 1352582560 251174 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty rare if you're tall.
< 1352582567 869187 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's not that many 6' women walking around.
< 1352582588 258088 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I more commonly was mistaken for a grad student.
< 1352582654 289888 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was funny. "No, no, I'm a freshman."
< 1352582669 89207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not terribly tall, I think 180.5 cm was the official measurement at some routine health checkup last. I suppose that's like 5'11".
< 1352582689 700421 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a man, that's slightly above average. For a woman, that's rather tall.
< 1352582805 441001 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352582814 472423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My wife's brother (one of them) and father are something like 6'3" or more; she's probably less than an inch shorter than me. They've certainly got the length genes.
< 1352582834 652571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a new kind of audio waveform synthesis "IDFX" synthesis, which uses four parameters "initial AND gate", "duty", "final AND gate", "XOR gate".
< 1352582919 165122 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been mistaken for female a few times
< 1352582924 655161 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I had a stupid moustache
< 1352583003 57234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which will work like  w[t]=(((t&I)^-(t It's only been 25 years since the APA stopped viewing homosexuality as a disease.
< 1352584949 707422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't that initially supported by the gay community?
< 1352584978 208689 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because at least having homosexuality being classed as something innate was some kind of improvement.
< 1352585003 293518 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than it being illegal, I suppose
< 1352585059 150394 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It was used as justification for curing the gay.
< 1352585137 505487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weren't they just criminalising it before?
< 1352585169 867347 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only became legal nation-wide in the 2003.
< 1352585190 10823 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the SCOTUS ruled that sodomy laws were unconstitutional.
< 1352585205 113890 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thereby legalizing it in 14 states.
< 1352585223 533325 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anal sex between straight couples was illegal too?
< 1352585230 141379 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1352585307 617301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that something they were deliberately trying to do or just a side-effect?
< 1352585319 728745 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deliberately trying to do.
< 1352585331 486067 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, 3 states *still* have such laws on the books.
< 1352585343 810321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's dumb that we even have to care as a society whether homosexuality is "innate" or not
< 1352585344 77662 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the others repealed on the notion that it was just embarassing now)
< 1352585396 436739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it speaks to the fact that our legal system is still based on fear of divine judgement, rather than assessing harm to others or lack thereof
< 1352585448 704164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news obama has finally won florida as well
< 1352585501 993206 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1352585551 588431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, which 3
< 1352585554 587605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay florida did not matter :)
< 1352585566 629445 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oklahoma, Kansas, and Texas.
< 1352585589 311080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact he would have won without OH, FL, *or* VA
< 1352585798 487402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so would you say this election was more entertaining than the last
< 1352585807 801831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely not
< 1352585827 431122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time we had an epic democratic nomination fight
< 1352585843 344841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i made a considerable amount of money betting on
< 1352585870 629629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the republican nominee last time was someone who had been written off as dead early on
< 1352585875 145599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and neither of them was an incumbent
< 1352585913 615541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008 was unusual and history-making in a bunch of ways
< 1352585915 149960 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1352585920 297011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :new states coming into play, etc
< 1352585932 194100 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i got really drunk on election night 2008 so yeah
< 1352585936 400827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :much more entertaining
< 1352585994 605578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :n.b. by "epic" i mean "actually epic" and not "internet word for kind of interesting"
< 1352586229 246746 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean "epic" as in "my five-volume poetical envisioning is already at the press", right
< 1352586249 791886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would read that
< 1352586254 914566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually an opera
< 1352586260 30405 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yes indeed
< 1352586272 293884 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with barack obama and hillary clinton singing in italian
< 1352586282 497906 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :terza rima the whole way through
< 1352586297 902761 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :epic (from the Ancient Greek adjective ἐπικός (epikos), from ἔπος (epos) "word, story, poem"[1])
< 1352586313 146375 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can they speak Italian?
< 1352586327 653610 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352586332 519104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll just have to get copies of Teach Yourself Italian in 24 Hours For Dummies
< 1352586400 342067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, then.
< 1352586482 938746 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think /([-+])([0-9]*)(d[0-9]+|)(g-?[0-9]+|)([dk][hl][0-9]*|)/ is OK for dice rolling specification or do you think some features have been missed?
< 1352586485 41897 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352586532 810008 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't [-+] be optional?
< 1352586554 317961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying things about mailman: I tried to send a message through a mailing list I administered
< 1352586564 31525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it adds a + to the beginning implicitly so it is already optional for the first term only.
< 1352586571 481220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it told me there were too many names on the To: line and that it had been held for moderation, and a separate email asking me to moderate it
< 1352586575 461872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For other terms it is required.
< 1352586589 538339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: [-+] looks rather like an infinite loop, if it does anything at all
< 1352586605 249437 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: regex, not brainfuck :P
< 1352586627 969962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd write the regex as [+-], for consistency in escaping character classes
< 1352586633 704629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want ] in a character class it has to come at the start
< 1352586637 152361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and - has to come at one of the ends
< 1352586649 120569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I put the - at the right end out of habit in order to avoid clashes
< 1352586651 583520 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352586674 6819 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, I'm supposed to ask you about Feather
< 1352586674 55709 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, say, something that matches BF comments is [^][<>,.+-]
< 1352586680 96748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, don't
< 1352586691 172256 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1352586691 684620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the summary is, it was originally an attempt at a serious esolang
< 1352586695 281114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I got mad thinking about it
< 1352586705 635783 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it became an inside joke (the joke being "ais523 refuses to talk about Feather")
< 1352586714 993060 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.  shrewd
< 1352586715 799532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK but that still doesn't completely answer my question (it only partially)
< 1352586716 280202 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: hey, I'm supposed to ask you about Feather <-- hah
< 1352586724 638543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also nobody else really seems to understand the language
< 1352586734 417621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I don't either, but I understood it more than other people before it drove me crazy and I stopped
< 1352586742 827365 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :next you're going to tell me that i don't have to write a eodermdrome interpreter
< 1352586748 167383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you gave it up for good?
< 1352586749 687445 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1352586764 136372 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, Feather involved retroactive changes to the interpreter of the language iirc
< 1352586764 553099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no
< 1352586773 964757 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds pretty exciting
< 1352586776 808375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: an eodermdrome interp would be great, go for it
< 1352586783 744335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I didn't
< 1352586793 312078 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah, I've got the subgraph isomorphism check thing down
< 1352586795 917605 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, you don't *have* to do anything, that is up to you
< 1352586809 392189 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yay
< 1352586816 825150 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Feather article could use some links to relevant portions of the channel logs
< 1352586818 319999 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, I'm pretty sure I was told that it was a rite of passage, and otherwise I'd be left to the brainfuck wolves
< 1352586829 610268 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, I was asking about the logs.  since there's nine years in the topic.
< 1352586856 28105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to design a hardware and instruction set which makes certain things possible to do efficiently, including run Checkout programs, decode open source audio/video codecs, and emulate the Famicom APU and PPU.
< 1352586856 365124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most recently I was poking at the edges of the problem that a Feather interpreter must be entirely written in Feather, also you must be able to interpret a Feather program through an arbitrarily large stack of Feather interpreters with only a constant performance penalty (that is, constant time added, not constant factor multiplied)
< 1352586869 74970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is… not really a trivial problem
< 1352586903 749184 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know of a software like teamspeak but that is open source?
< 1352586917 540651 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's slightly more tractable if you force Feather programs to have a property that's a bit like totality but stronger
< 1352586931 166949 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like like that 900-page 3-lisp thesis i've never been able to read
< 1352586935 732425 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite stack of interpreters that is
< 1352586943 938385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feather does this sort of thing all the time
< 1352586950 110990 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I've heard of Mumble, but haven't tried it
< 1352586952 514565 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rad
< 1352586954 410807 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : and yeah, I was asking about the logs.  since there's nine years in the topic. <-- better start reading!
< 1352586955 338295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's no wonder that I got confused
< 1352586959 949708 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, thanks, will look into that
< 1352586991 179370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the larger problem, which I don't really know how to solve, is trying to determine, after a retroactive change to the fundamentals of the entire universe, which object before the change corresponds to which object afterwards)
< 1352587012 364238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, why does it require a constant performance penality?
< 1352587020 268979 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody said it had to be fast
< 1352587020 315633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does someone here know something about design of such hardware and instruction set?
< 1352587030 754960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does OpenCores have any such things?
< 1352587046 78273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: for everything except the 2,3 machine, I consider terminating before the heat death of the universe to be a desirable property
< 1352587048 758795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially for testing
< 1352587055 143143 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1352587068 140166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even the 2,3 machine proof I managed to test each of the parts individually, and in pairs and threes and fours
< 1352587076 32881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just fives was beyond the ability of my computer
< 1352587090 773221 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, how much beyond?
< 1352587100 183339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many orders of magnitude
< 1352587107 762283 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1352587114 449198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're talking about O(2^(2^n)) performance here
< 1352587122 306645 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1352587122 712512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(where ^ is exponentiation, not bitwise xor)
< 1352587127 274146 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :intense
< 1352587138 255675 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, as long as it isn't up arrow I'm happy :P
< 1352587144 562277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of the least practical computational orders I've ever seen :)
< 1352587206 677409 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonetheless, Wolfram was insisting that the machine in question might be useful for implementing DNA computers and such
< 1352587214 899850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not with this construction, at least, it won't be :)
< 1352587248 684510 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1352587272 280152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I realised for the first time when I met him in person was that he hadn't actually read or understood the proof
< 1352587279 822495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, one of the rapid transit lines in new york has reopened with two stations deliberately closed to avoid dangerous overcrowding
< 1352587280 155702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just cared about the page hits from it
< 1352587304 727454 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1352587329 130594 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: which ones?
< 1352587331 286751 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, or whatever the less web-specific version of page hits is
< 1352587333 639334 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof of what?
< 1352587337 345524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea exposure, or whatever
< 1352587358 202607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://wolframprize.com
< 1352587366 622368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, ais523's proof that the 2,3 machine is TC
< 1352587366 799732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(warning: sets a cookie on every image load, I /hate/ sites that do that)
< 1352587374 113717 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: PATH from Journal Square to 33rd St; Christopher St and 9th St stations are closed
< 1352587381 165801 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang, that was you?
< 1352587391 313004 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh is THAT what causes firefox to go crazy?
< 1352587396 750181 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always wondered
< 1352587403 176613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's not the only cause, but it's the most common
< 1352587409 628908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes, people didn't believe it for a while
< 1352587411 730640 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does firefox handle it in such a stupid way
< 1352587415 587667 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure chrome does not
< 1352587431 387740 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because technically speaking they're separate requests
< 1352587432 982756 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just assume that I'm talking to an alex smith lookalike then
< 1352587443 538479 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yeah but it is not a sensible way to handle it
< 1352587450 418079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO choosing deny should deny cookies for all indirect loads from the page, until the next refresh
< 1352587458 328618 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should read English As She Is Spoke sometime
< 1352587463 488744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or make it explicit with a "deny for session" link
< 1352587472 114618 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it should collapse the stack of when I check the checkbox to always deny
< 1352587473 764002 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't
< 1352587480 601213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse is things that set cookies on a timer, though
< 1352587493 233433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mostly that happens as the result of adverts or mouseover effects)
< 1352587496 86129 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :by js?
< 1352587500 977708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352587510 521718 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have noscript so yeah I wouldn't notice
< 1352587512 575121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do it with meta refresh too but nobody does
< 1352587512 754421 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also adblokc
< 1352587515 751854 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :adblock*
< 1352587532 269196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, holding down alt-d works and is a huge improvement over trying to close all the windows manually
< 1352587550 130357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as they have to be closed in the correct order, and all overlap each other on the same point of the screen
< 1352587573 659015 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352587620 562620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is plotting to connect an Arduino to his gas stove; what could go wrong?
< 1352587676 380413 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh uh
< 1352587682 780105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is not clear, for instance, whether one should allow a Thue-Morse sequence in the initial conditions. In most cases, it should nevertheless be fairly obvious whether something should be considered a valid encoding for a universal system. But in general there is no firmly established criterion.
< 1352587687 249442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was written before the proof
< 1352587689 263523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how prophetic
< 1352587691 201062 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, I should get a raspberry pi at some point
< 1352587697 968319 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: obviously some kind of gas explosion
< 1352587713 927018 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, didn't people stop using gas stoves along with the introduction of electricity?
< 1352587733 583538 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, in Sweden, pretty much yes
< 1352587743 925703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are still very popular in the USA
< 1352587747 39365 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in UK I believe they remained popular for some time
< 1352587753 320425 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and presumably US
< 1352587775 646694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they provide much faster control of temperature
< 1352587782 702969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they're still popular here
< 1352587787 194250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more even heating (depending)
< 1352587792 909338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in both the house I live in and the house I'm currently online from, there's a gas stove
< 1352587794 508284 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, but yeah in Sweden I only seen gas stoves in places without electricity, like my grandparent's kollonistuga (whatever that is in English...)
< 1352587811 870786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pretty popular in houses that are gas heated anywhere
< 1352587814 597894 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, even more than induction furnaces?
< 1352587829 607959 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the issue is I don't think there are any gas heated houses either here
< 1352587849 322934 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oil sure, but gas?
< 1352587849 929494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about induction furnaces
< 1352587860 780068 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :err not furnace, stove
< 1352587871 353456 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about minecraft and messed it up XD
< 1352587871 871966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think in some areas of the US, natural gas is much cheaper than electricity for this purpose
< 1352587874 156026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: gas is almost as important as electricity in the UK
< 1352587890 856293 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I heard you even have gas lines in the streets over there
< 1352587892 401553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is partly because natural gas is one of the few fossil fuels that the UK (mostly Scotland) has that are usable for heating
< 1352587894 151910 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which sounds crazy
< 1352587902 902614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, every now and then they dig up the streets to repair them
< 1352587918 789695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like with electricity and water and (sometimes) telephone
< 1352587925 145761 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it sounds terribly unsafe to have those in the street, what happens if they leak?
< 1352587932 173320 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allotment_(gardening)
< 1352587935 261447 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, also where would the telephone be if not in the street?
< 1352587939 430372 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, right
< 1352587952 524971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: then the leak is typically quickly detected
< 1352587961 597390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: small leaks outside are not that much of a problem, it will dissipate and not build up concentration
< 1352587964 900773 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hrrm
< 1352587965 270995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, they detect and fix leaks
< 1352587970 786584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :electricity is also quite dangerous if it "leaks"
< 1352587988 284880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every year a few people are electrocuted by touching streetlight poles or manhole covers that have mistakenly become electrically live
< 1352587989 607170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: there's a chemical added to the gas so that people can smell it
< 1352587996 14390 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1352587996 753494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pretty much everyone (well over half the population) recognises it
< 1352588003 958216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural gas fires/explosions are a particular concern in earthquakes
< 1352588007 393126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you smell a small amount of it whenever anyone lights an oven
< 1352588014 53374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's an emergency number for gas leaks
< 1352588023 992923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the UK, at least, is particularly tectonically stable
< 1352588035 587254 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, are you sure we two didn't travel back in time somehow relative to the rest of the world?
< 1352588050 129339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: a few years ago, there was a large gas odoriser leak
< 1352588055 217160 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it caused chaos with all the false positives
< 1352588065 775692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(some sort of accident at a factory that was manufacturing gas odoriser)
< 1352588086 958028 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352588105 49405 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: different parts of the world live in different so-called "time zones"
< 1352588144 449360 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ah, that must be it
< 1352588198 74473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had a gas oven where we lived back when I was (more of) a child.
< 1352588276 48493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a leak -- I forget the details -- and I was home alone, and like somewhere between six-to-eight years old, and I had been told not to go outside alone, but it was so smelly inside, due to that leak.
< 1352588314 873206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When my parents came home, they found me standing inside the apartment but with my head outside in the stairway; they asked me what on earth I was doing, and I apparently replied that it's too smelly inside.
< 1352588344 332662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I have been told, they were kind of relieved-shocked-scared after realizing what had been going n.
< 1352588365 105062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the punchline is that there was no gas leak, you had just been farting a tremendous amount
< 1352588369 104495 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't you open a window?
< 1352588393 850715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't know. I don't really remember any of this, I've just heard about it afterwards.
< 1352588399 126936 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that's a good or bad thing to do when you have a gas leak
< 1352588400 792965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some friends of mine (mathematicians all) lived in a house with a gas fireplace
< 1352588411 477961 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they tried to turn it on but lacked necessary tools so they went at it with pliars and a blowtorch
< 1352588425 586445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sound more like engineers
< 1352588426 967345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this created a persistent gas leak in the living room, which was noticed by all but not really deemed to be a problem
< 1352588429 863733 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were never heard from again
< 1352588442 326054 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1352588444 978380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people tend to take gas leaks seriously around here
< 1352588445 739495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so, how bout that gas leak?"  "yup."  "someone should do something about it"
< 1352588451 887298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, also they install carbon monoxide detectors
< 1352588457 774152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to allow for another common malfunction
< 1352588462 361406 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that konqueror supports ^u and hjkl?
< 1352588463 798147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this went on for a few weeks until one of their girlfriends visited the house and she was like "uh, you guys are idiots"
< 1352588476 935129 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, how very peculiar the rest of the world seems to be
< 1352588487 647370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: it also will give a keybinding to as many links on the page as it can if you press and release control
< 1352588490 518788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. The backlight of this (win7) laptop just turned to maximum brightness, and the (probably GPU) fan started to go on like anything. Also everything went kind of bright.
< 1352588501 761541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sounds like some sort of total failure of ACPI
< 1352588505 745093 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I know
< 1352588509 648758 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 
< 1352588509 905158 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ouch
< 1352588513 459718 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1352588527 230765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Kind of weird. Perhaps I should rebootsen.
< 1352588544 506287 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, ^u? What does that do?
< 1352588547 452804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a vim user
< 1352588559 268204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm, if ACPI is that broken, weird stuff might happen on the reboot attempt
< 1352588560 615684 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since hjkl is vi(m) I assume so is ^u
< 1352588568 992841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do, let us know what happened when you come back
< 1352588571 199377 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it is emacs/shell keybindig. empties current line
< 1352588578 504590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Bringing up the "NVIDIA Control Panel" made the brightness go back to normal and the fan quiet down.
< 1352588590 5064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hjkl is NetHack, and control-u moves north-east as much as possible
< 1352588597 524184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah, so some sort of GPU reset, perhaps?
< 1352588603 526410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also the display flicker briefly, but I don't recall whether the control panel always does that.)
< 1352588604 985363 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, oh, I use numpad in nethack
< 1352588618 531093 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I think NetHack took those keys from vi(m)
< 1352588625 696863 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: also I think readline (or what was it called. bash and irssi use it) has it.
< 1352588636 827827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: indeed
< 1352588658 39529 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hjkl is from ex
< 1352588661 192904 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: hmm, I use C-a C-k to empty the current line in Emacs (and that also works in bash, at least)
< 1352588673 972899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ^U
< 1352588686 822111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is that a capital U specifically?
< 1352588698 348165 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ^u and ^U do the same
< 1352588701 605402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you never can tell with keybindings
< 1352588715 976429 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 2 most significant bits of 7 bit ascii char are cut out
< 1352588720 689177 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*off
< 1352588748 627214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: not on /every/ possible control combo
< 1352588753 326433 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's the case with most of them
< 1352588761 157033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-? for instance
< 1352588763 605661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ASCII 127)
< 1352588792 598512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's capital U because that's how ^ works :P
< 1352588804 586799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why I use C- notation :P
< 1352588815 796318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let control x = chr (ord x - ord '@') in control 'U'
< 1352588817 480698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '\NAK'
< 1352588819 244774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let control x = chr (ord x - ord '@') in control '@'
< 1352588821 35681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '\NUL'
< 1352588822 180133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let control x = chr (ord x - ord '@') in control 'u'
< 1352588824 197545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '5'
< 1352588828 560941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so ^u would be 5
< 1352588832 437044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can assure you: it is not 5
< 1352588843 609051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let control x = chr (ord x - ord '@') in control 'U'
< 1352588845 250028 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '\NAK'
< 1352588853 500852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just did that
< 1352588868 544937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes two of us
< 1352588892 665394 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And two...
< 1352588895 725761 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is company
< 1352588903 685241 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ^s
< 1352588910 5073 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*^r
< 1352588913 81879 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do?
< 1352588927 191421 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^s is xoff but I have never heard or ^r
< 1352589052 823288 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what context? in shells it's usually reverse-incremental-search
< 1352589074 700480 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know
< 1352589084 361307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@^yarr
< 1352589084 989978 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smartly me lass
< 1352589098 966973 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1352589113 860515 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, what is the usual mapping of history-search-backward and history-search-forward
< 1352589119 358727 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use my own custom mappings for them
< 1352589124 648462 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I forget what the default ones are
< 1352589178 910979 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what those do
< 1352589245 329893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: bash (according to the readline parts of the man page) doesn't have a default binding.
< 1352589260 146003 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, allow you to step to the previous/next line in history that matches the currently written line. So if I write cd f (which is how I have it bound) it will go to, say "cd foo" then on PgUp again to "cd faa" or whatever was done before that
< 1352589266 935618 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is super-usefuk
< 1352589269 851321 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful*
< 1352589295 791717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just do that with reverse-incremental-search, generally.
< 1352589306 93138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly due to laziness.
< 1352589315 351619 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how does that work, it isn't something I ever used
< 1352589350 948462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You type ^r first, and then 'cd f'; it will keep incrementally-updating the search result.
< 1352589358 833116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you can keep tapping ^r to go further back.
< 1352589368 391958 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you went to far, what do you hit then
< 1352589373 641984 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :to go forward one step
< 1352589374 540567 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352589377 142526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget exactly what. :p
< 1352589380 515553 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352589408 312533 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have to say that history-search-backward/history-search-forward seems like slightly less typing to me
< 1352589475 573881 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: if you do "foo", would it match e.g. "cd foo"?
< 1352589484 964496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cd f" has the same number of typed characters as "cd f".
< 1352589495 272017 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, ISTR zsh bound going forward to whatever Emacs uses for going down a line.
< 1352589497 670128 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, no it is bound to the start of the line
< 1352589504 924556 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm a bash user
< 1352589520 471568 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm pretty sure ^R would match that
< 1352589524 554383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was C-s.
< 1352589533 162778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The incremental search matches anywhere in the line, yes.
< 1352589534 62260 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, right, and if I don't want that?
< 1352589543 51400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sometimes useful; sometimes not.
< 1352589559 258080 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :does C-r support regexp?
< 1352589566 958009 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just put ^ in front or such
< 1352589579 372816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : You type ^r first, and then 'cd f'; it will keep incrementally-updating the search result.
< 1352589582 867284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on, it's ^R
< 1352589585 810286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not the same :(
< 1352589600 562697 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the zsh version does, apparently
< 1352589606 132820 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so it is C-Shift-r?
< 1352589618 166486 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody zsh
< 1352589621 902942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no
< 1352589627 712699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, ^R is C-r.
< 1352589628 21439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^R means press control and the R key
< 1352589629 268842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logical.
< 1352589632 685979 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right
< 1352589634 409377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ^X means X - '@'
< 1352589637 775051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, 'X' - '@'
< 1352589640 667351 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and what does ^r mean?
< 1352589641 378460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's what a terminal sends
< 1352589645 853625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^r means something nonsense
< 1352589648 332938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr (ord 'r' - ord '@')
< 1352589650 165365 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '2'
< 1352589651 403445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^r is 2
< 1352589673 267388 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how do you type ^r?
< 1352589675 827937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "UI" of the search is also sometimes somehow iffy; you can keep typing things, but if there are no matches, the input doesn't show up; yet it "exists" in that backspace removes it before it affects the visible part.
< 1352589680 61641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: by pressing 2
< 1352589687 326424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, right
< 1352589731 756496 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I guess it is nice having both that and the history search style I'm in love with, for different occasions
< 1352589806 249002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bash/readline incremental search doesn't seem to support anything else than just plain (unanchored) string match, sadly.
< 1352589809 985920 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :my recommendation for your inputrc if pgup/pgdown is easy to reach on your keyboard (as it is on my laptop):
< 1352589810 734233 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\e[5~": history-search-backward
< 1352589810 884432 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\e[6~": history-search-forward
< 1352589914 445631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep using "sprunge" to pull up a "curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us" command line, because I somehow can't seem to manage to be bothered to make an alias/a script for that. I do it so often that it always seems to be in the history; the fact that I can reach it with that is probably the reason I still haven't managed to make that command.
< 1352589964 883920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a vicious circle.)
< 1352589973 483343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i am the exact same
< 1352589974 601602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1352589979 72035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never thought i'd meet someone with that problem
< 1352590008 285916 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. I've just had ~/local/bin/sprunge for ages.
< 1352590028 848100 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: try shell that doesn't save history in a file :P
< 1352590030 541538 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though, I also have ~/local/bin so....
< 1352590031 197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just have an alias
< 1352590033 295090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had that at home for quite a while, it's just the workstation at wrk that's the problematical one.
< 1352590033 632739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, had
< 1352590040 312845 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, when was the last time you actually met someone
< 1352590068 321122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I do have a ~/local/bin/ at work, it's not like I couldn't just type "scp ~/local/bin/sprunge james:local/bin/" at home once and get it done.
< 1352590071 469286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: 1992 when i died irl
< 1352590076 47596 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey now atriq that's below the belt
< 1352590081 534288 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, omg you died too??
< 1352590084 518055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352590095 331143 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been hoping to meet a fellow member of the dead community for so long!
< 1352590100 330215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I even typed it as a part of that comment, just not in the right place.)
< 1352590594 443603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hmm, perhaps the Web would be better off if images couldn't set cookies
< 1352590605 939062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only know of one legitimate use for that, and it's workaroundable
< 1352590776 795258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which use
< 1352590953 351731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wikimedia's unified login thing
< 1352590964 883059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for setting cookies on all the domain names they use when you log in
< 1352590975 217454 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could use iframes for that instead, though
< 1352590996 42188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even a huge redirect chain, I guess
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< 1352592443 146612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i have a quote you will like (hate)
< 1352592559 368666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: never mind i misinterpreted it
< 1352592564 540151 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a good quote? is it funny?
< 1352592574 361793 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Goodnight"
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< 1352592593 695224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: are you funny
< 1352592701 712719 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: am I good?
< 1352592702 334012 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Vorpal: hmm, perhaps the Web would be better off if images couldn't set cookies <-- yes
< 1352592736 338169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes
< 1352592919 242260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always use the script for sprunge instead of entering the full command.
< 1352592984 531247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also possible to make a bookmarklet for sprunge too in case you need it for some reason.
< 1352593142 710179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other kind of dice rules might you use other than what I have?  /([-+])([0-9]*)(d[0-9]+|)(g-?[0-9]+|)([dk][hl][0-9]*|)/  (negation) (number of dice or constant) (number of sides) (glitch; replaces with constant if half or more dice come up 1) (drop/keep high/lowest dice) Should there be other options available?
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< 1352594305 481044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I like the sprunge pastebin, it has one problem, which is because of the Google server which sends incorrect responses to headerless requests.
< 1352594371 307628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you tell Google to fix this?
< 1352594413 44060 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only supporting HTTP/1.1 does not sound like such a terrible faux pas these days.
< 1352594414 612296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also tell the people who made sprunge to move it off of Google; that is another way.
< 1352594437 64532 :LucyintheSky!~Lucyinthe@177.99.65.46 PART :#esoteric
< 1352594447 235420 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current phone today is way more advanced than the computer I got 12 years ago. I wonder if my phone 12 years into the future will be way more advanced than my current desktop
< 1352594468 213922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either.
< 1352594480 270773 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an interesting question though
< 1352594500 718790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you bet on it?
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< 1352594606 689549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But is it more advanced at entering text?!
< 1352594624 231804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, well, SwiftKey is kind of nice...
< 1352594636 304411 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, but sure the physical size of the screen and keyboard are smaller
< 1352594641 874217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand there are quite "general" betting sites where you can bet on very many things. Possibly not on Vorpal's phone in particular, but phones in general.
< 1352594662 530362 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I would bet money on anything
< 1352594664 535201 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably bet on anything with a browser
< 1352594664 582067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend to make the computer, and one of the things I intend to make it is not to be overcomplicated, while still allowing it to run at reasonable performance and other features.
< 1352594670 902629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But the resolution is higher!
< 1352594679 163402 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, yes
< 1352594691 980785 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that old computer was 800x600, my phone is 720p
< 1352594734 838394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :longbets.org, for example; though the topics must be "societally or scientifically important".
< 1352594771 352334 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :my phone has more CPU cores, more RAM, faster CPU, more non-volatile storage and a battery that lasts longer 
< 1352594772 430055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :longcats.org
< 1352594773 470686 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This computer is codenamed POWERXY but it probably won't be its actual name.
< 1352594774 998166 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what is overcomplicated or reasonable performance?
< 1352594783 485633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What kind of a phone Vorpal has in 12 years" might not be societally important. Arguably.
< 1352594825 60259 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if societally is actually a word
< 1352594828 955397 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well the question could be generalised to "the current generation of PC gaming computers" and "the state of the art smartphones in 12 years time"
< 1352594832 905839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Like, I will omit some things not needed such as the overly complicated x86 or ARM9 (ARM2 is sufficient, I think), omit USB, omit HDMI, omit too much complicated built-in software (you can load it externally instead), etc
< 1352594880 145336 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, oh god you got zzo started on a rant
< 1352594906 991218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://longbets.org/601/
< 1352594909 609852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :best bet
< 1352594972 542593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than those things, other features I plan is a complete manual (including internals and pinouts), open source hardware as much as possible and open source software 100% (for built-in software; external software may or may not be), jumpers on mainboard, and currently the plan of the external ports:
< 1352595055 286446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't http://longbets.org/291/ ruled on yet? 
< 1352595067 664595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :* CD/DVD (read-only)  * Expansion port  * Audio in and out, stereo for both  * Composite video out  * Component video out  * Digi-RGB out  * 4x 33SS input port  * Compact flash  * Panel with display and buttons
< 1352595082 417825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Infrared receiver
< 1352595087 261177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: probably because longbets seems sort of dead
< 1352595089 630992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the US has not descended into Open Despotism, Pseudo-Democracy or Anarchy before the incumbent party holds its 2012 Presidential nominating convention, the challenger wins."
< 1352595101 846142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that they had the elections already, I assume that happened too? 
< 1352595110 209142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well you could argue pseudo-democracy
< 1352595113 721108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just sayin'
< 1352595127 938836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should bet on your phone in a casino
< 1352595137 868294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of on the computer.
< 1352595144 275594 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Descended" suggests "a different status from what existed at the time the bet was made".
< 1352595147 101107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definition used there did involve not using a conventional nominating convention, though.
< 1352595147 465922 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a betting person
< 1352595172 809436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how's it going with their clock, though.
< 1352595182 635846 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In government form, the US is utterly identical to that of 2007 US.
< 1352595197 932237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for different people?
< 1352595224 297393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, what are the party allegiances of the two supreme court justices who are likely to retire this term?
< 1352595245 785639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this one: http://longbets.org/129/ -- wherein the challenger (Brian Eno!) does it out of cynicism rather than disagreement.
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< 1352595338 66871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well he still thought he'd win
< 1352595340 850636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just he didn't /want/ to win
< 1352595348 669777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess you could call it insurance
< 1352595396 872439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, I mean that you'd expect someone challenging to think the Republicans are just great and of course they'll win because they're awesome.
< 1352595417 129271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not really insurance, since the money goes to charity :P
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< 1352595438 544554 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1352595441 279228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I suppose Eno might think a Republican government might threaten the San Francisco Exploratorium
< 1352595458 855059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Built-in software might include:  * Date/time  * Filesystem drivers  * Keyboard translation  * Play audio CD  * Forth interpreter  * BASIC interpreter  * TCP/IP driver  * DVI to PCL        and all of it runs on a single-tasking operating system.
< 1352595480 964142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, and it will also include a copy of the printed manual on the hard drive in case you want to print another copy.
< 1352595505 114174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least to me this seem reasonable; maybe you it isn't I don't know!!!
< 1352595581 371502 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, no SCTP support? No USB?
< 1352595590 437633 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty useless and dated system that
< 1352595610 627259 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also who uses CDs any more
< 1352595678 321882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Correct; no USB. I think many complication and problem with USB, so instead it is 33SS (my own much simpler protocol, which will be documented; it has other advantages too such as self-cleaning). The DVD drive can load CD too, so even if you don't use CD, it has CD.
< 1352595735 118673 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I don't care about DVD or CD, I do however require USB
< 1352595741 271372 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly not a computer for me that
< 1352595770 170900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't want DVD/CD then unscrew and open it and remove the optical drive.
< 1352595814 769766 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't give me USB
< 1352595821 291196 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: obviously you don't want USB
< 1352595833 378299 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, also what GPU will you use?
< 1352595846 903001 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, something with OpenGL 4 support I hope?
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< 1352595854 961534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, but it will make a space that you can add a USB or whatever.
< 1352595883 577486 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, also how many cores will the CPU have?
< 1352595893 603177 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and infrared? What is the point of IRDA?
< 1352595911 828357 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bluetooth and wifi are much more useful
< 1352595926 403276 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ethernet mentioned either?
< 1352595963 612061 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish more smartphones would ship with built-in FM transmitter
< 1352595968 96756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I intend to design my own PPU and APU with its own instruction sets; there is no need to compile C programs on the PPU/APU; but the CPU is a slight variant of ARM2 so you can compile C programs on it. Currently, design for CPU with single core but that might change. Infrared is for remote control. But I just forgot to mention ethernet.
< 1352596006 245695 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, PPU? Also the Arithmetic Processing Unit (APU) is a part of the CPU, no?
< 1352596007 253447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of cores of CPU and that stuff depend much on things I currently do not know.
< 1352596022 106545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In this case, PPU means Picture Processing Unit, and APU is Audio Processing Unit.
< 1352596022 418537 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, mine has that, it is kind of bad though. My old nokia had a less noisy one
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< 1352596044 241477 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, so what about high performance 3D graphics?
< 1352596051 160741 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unlike the Famicom, though, they will be much more powerful and have instruction sets.)
< 1352596092 480361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: High quality 3D graphics is not a priority. But I may see if it will be possible.
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< 1352596101 187392 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what way would a PPU differ from a GPU?
< 1352596135 563775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: The name, I guess.
< 1352596174 683531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CPU is I intend to make a few modifications to the OpenCores Amber core, so GCC (but not LLVM) can compile programs targeting it, and it runs faster than an actual ARM2.
< 1352596262 221359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a FM transmitter in this phone, but I haven't managed to test it even once.
< 1352596263 225085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM only support ARM7 and newer but it may be able to be modified to support ARM2 as well.
< 1352596281 271695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reportedly the signal strength is quite frequency-dependent, due to physics.
< 1352596314 465439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wifi and bluetooth can be useful although may be connected using the expansion port. However, this is just plan so far so maybe it will have built-in, but if it does have such thing built-in it will have a hardware switch to disable them.
< 1352596329 494292 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wish more smartphones would ship with built-in FM transmitter <-- oh I thought that was a typo for "reciever"
< 1352596333 750370 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I guess I don't have one
< 1352596355 411850 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :receiver* even
< 1352596367 596371 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know there were phones with transmitters for that
< 1352596372 895360 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nokia N900 has a transmitter--it's useful for streaming music to the car radio
< 1352596375 351809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried the receiver either. :p
< 1352596394 751156 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, why not just use bluetooth for that? Or a cable
< 1352596397 745350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a N900; but there are other phones with the feature.
< 1352596407 151137 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, the car I'm currently driving most support both
< 1352596415 61700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Requires no support from the car radio is the point, of course.
< 1352596420 516770 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay
< 1352596424 875408 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because most car radios I've used only support CD and FM
< 1352596427 164028 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but modern cars have that
< 1352596436 982425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But don't you have AM radio too?
< 1352596441 646552 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, probably
< 1352596442 251511 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, modern Volvo V70 has that feature at least
< 1352596458 419407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a few people still drive cars that are not terribly modern.
< 1352596465 140668 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah
< 1352596473 113229 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is awesome to drive modern cars though
< 1352596521 712087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The N900 also has a consumer-IR transmitter; lirc can use it to drive just about anything with an IR remote control, or so I believe. Haven't managed to bother trying it out either.
< 1352596578 558804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352596580 483148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR there was a program to run through the "power off" key signals of the whole lirc remote db, so that if there's an annoying TV screen in a public place, you can just turn it off.
< 1352596606 230501 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, very nice
< 1352596620 979340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is some devices for such thing, however I may prefer to mute the TV
< 1352596634 215981 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be easy too
< 1352596647 251660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the apps might support that too.
< 1352596652 512702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since usually only I don't like it because of the noise, and other people may still want to watch TV.
< 1352596656 883048 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never used the IR feature a lot
< 1352596719 555925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a single IR-controllable device here at home, so it's not terribly useful. (Well, possibly a second one too, though not in use.)
< 1352596771 921809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People with piles of them that don't want to buy a separate multi-purpose remote might find it more useful.
< 1352596837 451094 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have 3 such deviceds
< 1352596839 217271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At my house we have two TV sets, one DVD player, one DVD/VCR combination, which are currently connected and which use infrared. (There may be others which are not currently connected so are not in use.)
< 1352596840 158529 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :devices*
< 1352596842 935230 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot anyway
< 1352596864 380401 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :one TV, one DVD/VHS and one radio with IR based remotes
< 1352596946 338274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a receiver/amplifier kind of thing, and that's about it. (There's also a DVB-T USB stick with an IR receiver, but it's not in use since we stopped paying the TV access fee; next year it switches to a tax-funded scheme so maybe we'll dig it out though.)
< 1352596971 614888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case the stick'd be in a computer, and you don't need IR to speak to one of those. (Usually.)
< 1352597063 537622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It came with one of those really cheap-looking tiny plastic no-feel-to-the-buttons remotes.
< 1352597122 833275 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352597128 465279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it did work with lirc so it's possible to use anything else too. Assuming close-enough carrier frequency anyway.)
< 1352597136 520742 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DVD/VCR can playback and record on both drives, even simultaneously. If we want to record a TV show to be able to watch later we will use the VHS, but if we want to keep it or transfer it to computer will use DVD. Once my brother want to put a recording of Super Smash Bros. Brawl so we recorded it on a DVD video and then copy to his computer.
< 1352597305 278147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The consumer IR receivers tend to have some kind of hardware filter so that they sense only a particular carrier freq (typically 38 kHz) signal, presumably to make them less suspectible to noise from other IR sources.
< 1352597338 160674 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sunlight is an IR source, so stuff that doesn't discriminate can have problems with that
< 1352597418 397669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah; it's just not always the same frequency, so there can be (signal strength) problems mixing remotes and receivers.
< 1352597466 822665 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make the remote blast on a lot of frequencies?
< 1352597498 924536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But both the remotes and the receivers are fixed-frequency devices, is the problem.
< 1352597526 202022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly if you're making a multifunction remote, that's a possibility.
< 1352597563 447944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not for repurposing an old remote for device X, while having a receiver scavenged from device Y.
< 1352597563 708316 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1352597575 525592 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, good night
< 1352597606 718364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember making a lirc remote file for a really old TV remote I had from a smoke-came-out-years-earlier TV set; happened to work out well enough with whatever I was using as the receiver.
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< 1352598117 709569 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1352598118 5708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1352598129 362609 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet my client claims 9.3 second lag
< 1352598130 948275 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was
< 1352598132 649395 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi
< 1352598177 180091 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lag's imprecise, since it checks by pinging, and it only does that occasionally
< 1352598898 161179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this computer I design will include in packaging:  * Game controllers  * RJ45 cables (used for ethernet and 33SS)  * Keyboard  * CompactFlash card  * Complete manual (with tabs)  * Remote control  * DVD with many games included  * RCA cables  * [If you want printer, mouse, screwdriver, extra game controller, etc you have to get it separately.]
< 1352599094 772926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also such things as USB adapter, NES/Famicom cartridge adapter, product catalog, floppy drive, you also need to get it separately, in some cases must be third party, or you can built it yourself from publicly available files and schematics.
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< 1352602543 317698 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks forward to *somebody* being pissed at him
< 1352602571 375042 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So, yeah. I'm bisexual. I'm an atheist. Pitchforks on the right, high fives on the left, please."
< 1352602623 114952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voting for Famicompo is now open.
< 1352602647 168804 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is famicompo
< 1352602848 460875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://famicompo-mini.com/compo/vol9/
< 1352602917 453422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For voting, click one of the bottom two triangles (for the section you want to vote: original/cover) in the header, select "Entry" and fill the form, but first download and listen to the files.
< 1352603146 409917 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont read the kanjisauce
< 1352603217 559820 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them are English, though; submissions and comments are accepted in English and in Japanese.
< 1352603219 867840 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :漢字ソース読める。
< 1352603244 423045 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(kannsì so-su yomeru. kanji sōsu yomeru. I read the kanjisauce.)
< 1352603272 106486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, if you download file and use program to play .NSF (NES/Famicom emulator can usually be used for this), you can listen to music.
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< 1352603662 902580 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here has a cool simple arithmetical function implementing logical not (0 -> 1   everything else  -> 0) with +-*/% ?
< 1352603726 634141 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does using absolute value count as arithmetical
< 1352603727 390622 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1352603741 799229 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess not
< 1352603754 276285 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i doesn't :(
< 1352603765 667023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use exponent (0^(0^x)) but I don't know using those operation.
< 1352603775 991119 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean (0^x)
< 1352603802 324370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0^(0^x)) make 0 to 0 and nonzero to 1
< 1352603852 595047 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm nice
< 1352603866 921412 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not gonna solve my problem
< 1352603884 655553 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought 0^0 was undefined
< 1352603885 279775 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think I can work my way without it
< 1352603894 943067 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it is, unless you define it
< 1352603906 397532 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and good people define it to 1
< 1352603915 639683 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiply by x, add one, mod 1 fail on -1
< 1352603921 182374 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fails
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< 1352603977 439499 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyone here has a cool simple arithmetical function implementing logical not (0 -> 1   everything else  -> 0) with +-*/% ?
< 1352603977 643016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is actually related to a Haskell type like (x -> Zero)
< 1352603980 912922 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: If rather than everything else you had a specific value in mind, it'd be easier
< 1352604000 938286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are treated the type as arithmetic/logic instead of type.
< 1352604001 238318 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 -> -1   you could use (x+1)*(-1)
< 1352604013 348540 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd point out that you're trying to create a discontinuous function by composition of continuous ones, but % isn't continuous.
< 1352604031 810248 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :0+1 = 1   1 * -1 = -1
< 1352604032 836572 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point
< 1352604034 535482 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :%2 seems an obvious place to start
< 1352604040 955230 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 + 1 = 0   0 * -1 = 0
< 1352604046 347729 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe as last step
< 1352604051 93774 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1352604067 32305 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you could try all the modulos
< 1352604075 223479 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is / integer division?
< 1352604076 313124 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, something I've wondered for a little while.
< 1352604079 383058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because
< 1352604081 351346 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is
< 1352604088 614300 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1352604099 487303 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is
< 1352604099 841067 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x/(x-1)+1)%2 might work
< 1352604103 574805 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any computable sets of axioms that uni--no, not that.
< 1352604110 345622 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1352604112 712043 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1352604119 746735 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Basically trying to create a function that takes integers and only has a spike at x=0
< 1352604120 61550 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think it is
< 1352604120 764426 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x/(x-1/2)+1)%2
< 1352604124 622394 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is flat elsewhere
< 1352604125 353090 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :will work on all integers
< 1352604140 756975 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any operating systems that, instead of using virtual memory and system calls and all that, work by recompiling all executed code so that it doesn't even try to do prohibited stuff?
< 1352604151 616629 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, yes; that's discontinuous.
< 1352604157 348883 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Integers have half values now?
< 1352604161 81710 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yeah I just want     0 -> something nonzero   anything nonzero -> 0
< 1352604175 76614 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yeah i should said 0.5
< 1352604178 658064 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the Java platform, and pretty much every application virtual machine, works that way.
< 1352604200 490175 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said it had to take integers, not that all intermediate values had to be integers
< 1352604236 69532 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :((x/2)-(x*2)+1)%2   ??
< 1352604247 383048 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: the dirac delta function only has a spike at a particular value, though it's value at that point is infinite
< 1352604257 145385 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh wait
< 1352604258 672172 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mind if the nonzero value is "infinity"?
< 1352604265 418069 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're restricting this only to the integers
< 1352604270 566175 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integers don't have infinity
< 1352604271 326364 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that opens it up a lot
< 1352604291 911385 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1352604294 189070 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine wouldn't work
< 1352604297 220526 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Derp
< 1352604312 580645 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x/(x-0.5)+1)%2 works for all integer x
< 1352604321 839341 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1352604325 933357 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That only works if you've got floating point somewhere
< 1352604330 581746 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1352604332 50768 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1352604340 921568 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt work at 1 anyway
< 1352604359 123741 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 0.5 would need to be like...0.9
< 1352604365 510122 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1352604367 486069 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.1
< 1352604373 492563 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.1 would be best
< 1352604375 630549 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah
< 1352604379 240267 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it wouldn't
< 1352604379 366383 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :different ideas...
< 1352604392 78378 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.125 would be much better
< 1352604417 908862 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1352604475 728450 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You're also assuming that floats get rounded rather than, say, floored
< 1352604492 396162 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was assuming floor
< 1352604503 887478 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah
< 1352604507 625456 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a minute
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< 1352604559 903340 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :((x-1)%256)/255
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< 1352604562 321706 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/(2*x+1) maybe?
< 1352604568 634424 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me plot that
< 1352604575 188807 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually no
< 1352604577 257592 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't work
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< 1352604581 40615 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this maps 0 to 255/255
< 1352604588 664363 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything alse to small/255 which is 0
< 1352604611 624394 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the words 'lagrange' and 'interpolation' are creeping steadily into my mind
< 1352604646 498094 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have the graph of 1/x stuck in my head
< 1352604669 217225 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But division by zero is not kosher
< 1352604695 155396 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Is x signed or unsigned?
< 1352604725 952577 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in my very specific case it was a signed integer that I restrained to 0-255
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< 1352604799 649075 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we restrict this to the positive integers?
< 1352604817 927826 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1352604820 926064 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course we can
< 1352604823 329797 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm
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< 1352604935 187216 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming / does truncation
< 1352604944 298119 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/(x*x+1)
< 1352604946 283134 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :should work
< 1352604971 990775 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno why i didnt think of it before
< 1352604984 777354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking the same thing, at the same time
< 1352604992 750234 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its graph is the hat shape that hits 1 at zero and is between 0 and 1 everywhere else
< 1352604995 895686 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fires up gnuplut
< 1352605000 589473 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do greatest integer to it and bam
< 1352605037 350967 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact you can make a continous version that is arbitrarily close to what you want without truncation
< 1352605046 98607 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :name 1/(x^n+1)
< 1352605059 552609 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1352605061 530315 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :This should work
< 1352605065 115797 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :as n->infty, that goes to "zero everywhere and 1 at zero"
< 1352605070 548459 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For negative numbers
< 1352605072 317663 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And positive
< 1352605085 162153 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just 1/(x*x+1) if you restrict to integers
< 1352605122 971084 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean "just 1/(x*x+1) if you use integer division"
< 1352606810 546813 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1352606836 61466 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure
< 1352606926 353175 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just 1/(x+1)?
< 1352606997 812759 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe to include negative integers as well
< 1352607010 168066 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thank you for your help and good night
< 1352607260 329499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:22:37  i'll take a moment to plug my tiny thread library: http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/spawn/0.2/doc/html/Control-Concurrent-Spawn.html
< 1352607264 841002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nostalgia. :-(
< 1352607385 422895 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: It's a ship. It goes through the gate.
< 1352607846 447914 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1352607908 294220 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352608277 922321 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352608334 350057 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1352608468 975438 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352608614 293093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For voting for Famicompo, I choose to: listen to files at random and vote them without seeing tht title, and without caring if it is original/cover, voting each song of a multisong file individually (the vote to send will be whichever is smallest, unless they are the same song with variation, in which case the largest number use instead).
< 1352608646 417770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some comments may be written at this time, too. And then, read the titles, relisten if necessary, to write additional comments.
< 1352608676 673004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of this is written in a local file. After is all written, to copy it to the form to send to Famicompo.
< 1352608705 703749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this way is reasonable?
< 1352608897 845357 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352609072 391703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plug plug plug
< 1352609087 491110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I saw rwbarton at a party
< 1352609097 343726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told him that his excellent python quiz has fallen off the internet
< 1352609105 721033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we subjected someone else at the party to the python quit
< 1352609108 924297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quiz-
< 1352609175 100160 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: whoa, he's a real person?
< 1352609233 468551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which Python quiz?
< 1352609248 148438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Sure! He was at HacBoston.
< 1352609259 630345 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1352609267 364758 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must just suck
< 1352609278 565420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20101009122154/http://web.mit.edu/rwbarton/www/python.html ?
< 1352609341 676378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: For a few minutes ghc-core used Spawn.
< 1352609381 78441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet i could do that quiz
< 1352609426 124812 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it
< 1352609433 752628 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like #3
< 1352609495 108034 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the quiz wasn't lost forever.
< 1352609696 747344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: heh
< 1352609713 486860 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like #4
< 1352609774 805980 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahaha
< 1352610058 408691 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like #3 just because most people see it and think the answer is one of two things, and it turns out to be neither
< 1352610231 845701 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352610241 359417 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even understand what the third line means
< 1352610295 512770 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a generator comprehension
< 1352610304 46769 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think along the lines of a Haskell list comprehension
< 1352610324 810515 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahahahahahahahahah
< 1352610345 223096 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hilarious
< 1352610349 368670 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it do that?
< 1352610349 979539 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious, what's so hilarious
< 1352610379 409129 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The snake oil programming language.
< 1352610383 85547 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, knowing that there's a trick, I had some idea of what it was, but yeah, that's surprising
< 1352610419 822360 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :31... huh?
< 1352610472 897566 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, generator expressions make generators which are lazy, so that's part of it
< 1352610499 302587 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would understand 11, I would understand 33, I do not understand 31.
< 1352610512 111017 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1352610513 81177 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. I am the rube copumpkin prophesied
< 1352610539 469189 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people would have guessed either 11 or 21
< 1352610544 81888 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only captures one of the two variables
< 1352610552 329959 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had people argue that it's expected behavior, too
< 1352610554 624969 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's bullshit
< 1352610556 661794 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, why.
< 1352610559 784507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys!!
< 1352610560 805947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no spoilers
< 1352610563 21823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to do that quiz
< 1352610568 55402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i never can
< 1352610568 316438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever
< 1352610568 941423 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd fail
< 1352610569 741872 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is bullshit.  Spoil'd
< 1352610571 558976 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes no sense at all
< 1352610572 910173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: no im good
< 1352610574 856598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im super good
< 1352610577 780535 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, what the fuck?
< 1352610597 398892 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly is uncomfortable with Python
< 1352610607 955420 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you know which variable is captured?
< 1352610688 582823 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 makes no sense
< 1352610689 866111 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just the first, huh.  Crappy implementation.
< 1352610721 108307 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1352610739 374323 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 is at least consistent.  No fresh binding for the loop.
< 1352610767 946344 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1352610785 805310 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the x's in the lambdas are the same x, which ends at 99.
< 1352610796 506988 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, you mean i?
< 1352610800 895759 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, yes.
< 1352610814 381376 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I corrected Bike! I can die happy now!
< 1352610819 750712 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I have no idea how you'd rebind a variable in Python.
< 1352610846 525287 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting in an i=i doesn't work...
< 1352610891 566118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: #1 is the same thing that would happen in Scheme
< 1352610898 383642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you faithfully translated the mutating 'for' loop
< 1352610906 64077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :closures close over mutable variables, not over values
< 1352610908 790730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in both Scheme and Python
< 1352610952 108949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Python you can't mutate those variables, though.
< 1352610952 219255 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to go see what Clojure does
< 1352610956 790510 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for "rebind a variable", there isn't a "let" construct
< 1352610972 333702 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that much.
< 1352610983 409666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you introduce a new scope with a new function
< 1352610998 187919 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so just hack it with a lambda
< 1352611003 703005 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think (lambda i: lambda x: x+i)(i) would do the expected thing
< 1352611007 881075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is not very pythonic
< 1352611020 906491 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C++ thingy on IdeOne does Paredit but Clojure doesn't
< 1352611039 619236 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that works.
< 1352611234 413136 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/ErNJ7R
< 1352611307 953062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 days since Sgeo last mentioned Clojure in #esoteric
< 1352611313 88477 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what would you do to make it idiomatic, in the totally reasonable use-case of "I need an array of a hundred indexed adders"
< 1352611326 772283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An array of a hundred indexed adders isn't Pythonic, Bike.
< 1352611342 553084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd probably use objects or something.
< 1352611361 709640 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'm not entirely sure what the most idiomatic thing to do would be
< 1352611362 9711 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say
< 1352611373 733802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could use loop/recur, I guess
< 1352611379 612863 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make a vector
< 1352611391 37487 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: probably def adder(i): return lambda x: x + i
< 1352611401 901922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've done this before anyway
< 1352611409 599809 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how boringly reasonable
< 1352611428 736455 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Clojure, arrays aren't idiomatic, vectors are preferred
< 1352611453 971117 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference
< 1352611459 332623 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vectors are immutable
< 1352611475 709907 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have different performance characteristics, I think
< 1352611495 926928 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I have a transient wish that just for a brief moment words would mean things...
< 1352611521 560252 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "functor" is always fun.
< 1352611542 606662 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each language that has "functors" has an entirely different and unrelated idea of what a functor is
< 1352611578 41594 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how do you not know how to initialize a vector?  that must be pretty basic
< 1352611697 639848 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/TwDf2E
< 1352611701 288357 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This should be idiomatic
< 1352611703 361311 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could also map
< 1352611718 551220 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I have no real use for that vec
< 1352611756 161151 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem isn't really something you'd want to actually do, it's just to demonstrate how a part of python works
< 1352611757 90590 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, because I derped
< 1352612609 252396 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently my recent Facebook post was "aggressive".
< 1352612649 41236 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because simply saying "I am atheist" is... In some way an affront to people?
< 1352612682 316706 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone said that in private?
< 1352612694 290483 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1352612713 490324 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mom trying to advise me of a potential shit storm.
< 1352612748 423627 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, she's right about that much
< 1352612786 712544 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm bi. Wheeee
< 1352613697 718024 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352613721 187945 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1352613956 140291 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: how could you!
< 1352615111 320385 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With ease!
< 1352615199 331842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : iamatheist
< 1352615207 320352 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smartass.
< 1352616781 577567 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :where abouts are you? Not a major city, I take it
< 1352616812 891978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who do you ask?
< 1352616892 574183 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Colorado Springs, CO
< 1352616918 539966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gracenotes
< 1352616930 502462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What're you doing here?
< 1352616985 857574 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being a language enthusiast
< 1352617136 334225 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last I was here was a few years ago...
< 1352617156 608542 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds right.
< 1352617394 883207 :hagb4rd|outoford!~perdito@koln-4d0b62d0.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1352617965 403500 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I suspect that the “aggressive” part was “pitchforks on the right, high fives on the left”, particularly because I imagine those directions were not chosen arbitrarily.
< 1352617992 9469 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I did not see the political implications of that until literally just now.
< 1352617998 633791 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha
< 1352618008 64134 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well played, sir.
< 1352618143 619278 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, my department sort of idolizes bill tutte
< 1352619758 799718 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably eat
< 1352619770 606721 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already ate today, 3 slices of pizza and ice cream, but should really eat dinner.
< 1352619887 705810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ice cream by the slice.
< 1352619900 56332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I heard 99¢ pizza is back to 99¢. :-(
< 1352620128 291591 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually bored on the Internet right now.
< 1352620131 195166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a weird feeling.
< 1352620150 4595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352620181 617662 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352620224 373727 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO KALLISTI
< 1352620240 776580 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you
< 1352620285 536693 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CURIOUS AS TO WHY YOU ARE SHOUTING VIA YOUR NICk
< 1352620301 405593 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like the ancient greek
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< 1352620712 263628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ztirf
< 1352620724 730315 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ztirf: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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< 1352621283 127785 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea for another esoteric language
< 1352621299 714900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :KALLISTI: What idea? Write in list of ideas
< 1352621321 711301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The list of ideas is the topic, right?
< 1352621356 369901 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :List of ideas is one of the articles in esolang wiki. However, I mean mention your idea on the IRC too if you like to do so.
< 1352621776 612703 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: kind of a mixture between traditional expression based languages, with a tree writing system
< 1352621792 633798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you telling me?
< 1352621799 751501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate all esolangs.
< 1352621802 913869 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ^
< 1352621806 897685 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: good point
< 1352621897 90447 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate esolangs too
< 1352622060 762585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
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< 1352624078 764877 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This seems to be an odd channel to be in for someone who hates esolangs
< 1352624086 535886 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, since it's always off topic, maybe not.
< 1352624122 192744 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*almost always. The same way that a random number between 0 and 1 will almost never be exactly 0.5
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< 1352629860 817477 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minor Clojure annoyance time:
< 1352629866 549044 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(channel* & {:keys [grounded? permanent? transactional? messages description meta], :as options})
< 1352629882 725148 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't need to know the exact details of the destructuring that some function uses on its arguments
< 1352629899 633899 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That :as options thing is not something that the user of a function would really care about
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< 1352648351 279876 :hagb4rd|outoford!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you ever want to see what happens if the women ever take control come to cologne on a 11.11.
< 1352648512 707355 :hagb4rd|outoford!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like in the story of sir galahad in the movie of monty python
< 1352648554 431107 :hagb4rd|outoford!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :castle anthrax yess
< 1352649288 530126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens on 11.11?
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< 1352651186 589123 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I guess you better not wear a tie, or lace-up shoes
< 1352651681 362432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Rememberance Day...
< 1352651697 223843 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what the hell hagb4rd|outoford is doing, other than that it's in rather poor taste.
< 1352651713 353327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn, *Remembrance
< 1352651869 468387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah i have monday off of work for this same reason
< 1352651933 645291 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a Commonwealth thing?
< 1352652310 824930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day#Similar_observances_outside_the_Commonwealth
< 1352652359 824159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the USA it's Veteran's Day; we have a separate Memorial Day too
< 1352652404 487021 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the latter is for the dead and the former is for all veterans
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< 1352659710 874059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have joined ##posix and ##unix
< 1352659746 285664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not affiliated with the Open Group, the Organisation internationale de normalisation, or SCO Group
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< 1352661153 563252 :R3d-S0u|!R3d@151.73.90.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352661253 599101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352661536 981068 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to destroy the celebration with a trumpet http://youtu.be/QxnY2SWZTvk
< 1352661585 640815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a "Kaatuneiden muistopäivä" ("memorial day for the fallen") for people who died in any wars or such involving Finland, but it's strategically placed on a Sunday (third Sunday of May) so as to not result in any extra time off.
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< 1352662614 476520 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sneaky
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< 1352662973 158459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and today was also "Father's Day" here; and apparently in Estonia, Sweden, Norway and Iceland too; even though most of the rest of the world has it as the third Sunday of June instead.
< 1352662983 784078 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352663085 102981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"More phone calls are made in the United States during Mother's Day than during Father's Day, but the percentage of collect calls on Father's Day is much higher, making it the busiest day of the year for collect calls."
< 1352663088 985456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curious.
< 1352663122 877562 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fathers calling their kids collect as a subtle way of reminding them they should've called?
< 1352663146 712577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think it means you work too much.
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< 1352663526 615454 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, Raspberry Pi lacks an RTC? I guess that means it won't keep time when off? Weird design choice
< 1352663538 127090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you add one?
< 1352663556 369321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some projects adding one, I believe.
< 1352663564 9205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly has enough interfacing options for that.
< 1352663579 840595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I suppose they just didn't want to bother adding a battery on the thing, those are so inelegant.
< 1352663579 965441 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know, I'm just looking at the specs atm, I'm considering getting a Raspberry Pi
< 1352663593 923745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got one, and I use it for absolutely nothing.
< 1352663603 195845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also got it like week before they did that 512M upgrade.
< 1352663608 597177 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if it can start on power connected, after a power outage or such
< 1352663609 318728 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1352663620 734554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have an "off" mode.
< 1352663623 369712 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352663624 606846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on if it gets power.
< 1352663644 336490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when you shut it down it displays "please turn off the power now" or such?
< 1352663652 114192 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much did it cost btw?
< 1352663672 53593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC shutdown -h just shut the HDMI down, so it didn't display anything.
< 1352663678 159588 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352663689 511625 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well how do you unmount stuff before pulling the power?
< 1352663698 401504 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :will shutdown -h do that at least?
< 1352663709 370060 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it'll do that before halting.
< 1352663713 902390 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1352663733 335614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just doesn't "turn off", since it doesn't have a power switch.
< 1352663738 274032 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I figured out that I need a matching SD card (that looks complicated to find), a HDMI->DVI converter and a power supply for it to be usable for me
< 1352663756 404597 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly a case would be a good idea
< 1352663773 918946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it cost that official price, $35, plus some amount of money for the delivery. I forget exactly. It was from Element 14, anyway, and it was a friend ordering a bunch, so I wasn't directly involved in the order.
< 1352663785 733695 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have a use case for it though, but one that require more than a 4 GB SD card by far. 16 or 32 probably
< 1352663800 360024 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be available in a local store
< 1352663804 122157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used a scrappy no-name 2G SD card that I had from Italy somewhere.
< 1352663809 155254 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got bored and my computer was refusing to connect to the internet, so I started writing a brainfuck interpreter
< 1352663834 412565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bought it when running out of storage taking photos thereabouts.)
< 1352663837 402557 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, those parts? Probably, maybe not the SD card though, it seems it is is very picky with series
< 1352663872 588657 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just plugged in a card I had at home, and it worked like a charm
< 1352663884 862451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did I.
< 1352663887 258339 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway how does linux keep the system time with no RTC?
< 1352663896 446373 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious now
< 1352663899 763313 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I think I run it on a microSD card through a converter
< 1352663901 862293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.. it's not like x86 Linux would use the RTC for timekeeping either.
< 1352663915 400736 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sure but what does it use instead?
< 1352663946 699699 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it can pretty much use anything that ticks
< 1352663947 145017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just know the x86 timer sources, and I've forgotten even those; there was at least TSC and HPET timers.
< 1352663949 322149 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPU frequency is not all that stable even when you don't do dynamic frequency stuff
< 1352663961 244951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TSC on modern x86 CPUs is invariant.
< 1352663965 259192 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah nice
< 1352663968 48337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of frequency.)
< 1352663978 591654 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :HPET is pretty nice as well
< 1352664118 495888 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.webhallen.com/se-sv/hardvara/159735-sandisk_secure_digital_ultra_16gb seems to work well: http://www.google.com/search?q=raspberry%20pi%20sdsdu-016g-u46
< 1352664132 516253 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1352664138 819696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is there a version with CompactFlash?
< 1352664145 785562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for power, I got my power out of the N900's USB charger so far.
< 1352664159 31149 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah I kind of use my USB charger for my phone
< 1352664166 733334 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my old phones did not do charging by USB
< 1352664173 60624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use it all the time, though.
< 1352664194 170784 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The plan for my possible Pi would require it being on constantly
< 1352664217 26818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For more permanent use I was thinking of getting a suitable powered USB hub; the wiki lists quite a few models that reportedly can do the "provides power for Pi as well as a USB hub for it" thing.
< 1352664226 449102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's still on the TODO list.
< 1352664246 701127 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wait, can it use power over the USB-A ports?
< 1352664251 327617 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what do you mean
< 1352664264 981039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but you can use one of the USB hub's outgoing ports to provide power to the Pi.
< 1352664271 255489 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352664290 330940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, technically speaking I believe you can hack it to accept "feedback" power via the USB-A ports too, but that'd be a real kludge.)
< 1352664291 736156 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't it only provide 100 mA unless the device asks for more?
< 1352664316 884797 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the power port didn't have any pins except the power ones connected
< 1352664349 405756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't. But if it's a USB-BC dedicated charging port, it should push out something like 1A or more by default.
< 1352664362 718250 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how fast cards would be useful in the pi, what can the host controller deal with
< 1352664369 966045 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :would a class 10 card be overkill?
< 1352664390 399730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently many hubs are perfectly willing to provide power out to ports that are disconnect w.r.t. D+/D-.
< 1352664401 605363 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352664402 991783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking I'll just read the wiki and pick some model that's known to work well.
< 1352664428 124556 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what would a HDMI->DVI converter cost, I have no monitors with HDMI
< 1352664449 587517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I won't use the display past initial setup and possible debugging
< 1352664459 771084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HDMI-DVI-cables seem to cost about the same as HDMI-HDMI and DVI-DVI cables.
< 1352664467 840330 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1352664477 913132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know about adapters, but they should be really cheap according to logic.
< 1352664539 970403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, logic is not always a reliable source when it comes to hardware prices.
< 1352664549 628530 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1352664562 758366 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering it it requires an active cable
< 1352664567 424519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't.
< 1352664574 432275 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be DP->HDMI or DP->DVI that does then
< 1352664587 929120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HDMI is just DVI minus the analog and dual-link parts, plus something about digital audio.
< 1352664613 979560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :DP-to-DVI/HDMI may need an active cable, depending on the source.
< 1352664656 302683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe many graphics cards have DP connectors that you can connect to DVI/HDMI via passive adapters, since they can provide the TMDS signal over the DP pins.
< 1352664704 571046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's things like EyeFinity cards with 3*DP where you can connect up to two DVI devices with passive adapters, but the third needs an active one, because the card runs out of suitable clock generators for TMDS output.
< 1352664732 508125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The active DP-to-DVI devices cost an absurd amount of money when I was looking at them.)
< 1352664757 12038 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm I have an AMD card that can drive up to 4 monitors iirc, but it has like 2 DVI (one DVI-I one DVI-D), one DP and one HDMI
< 1352664760 739332 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something weird like that
< 1352664802 288100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds somewhat probable that the DP port couldn't drive a passive-adaptor DVI, then, given how many DVI-ish outputs it already has.
< 1352664818 854772 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I only use a single DVI output currently
< 1352664859 304839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dual-mode DisplayPort (also known as DisplayPort++[26]) can directly emit single-link HDMI and DVI signals using a simple passive adapter that adjusts for the lower voltages required by DisplayPort."
< 1352664873 665223 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimp in Ubuntu Unity is annoying
< 1352664881 874421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they've invented a special logo for that, a DP with a ++ in it.
< 1352664967 114719 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, oh?
< 1352664987 66084 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh, well then I know my laptop would need an active adapter too
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< 1352665132 125205 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they even released a version without ethernet is confusing to me
< 1352665163 700368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's officially an educational tool, you don't necessarily need networking for that.
< 1352665171 109421 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, is it?
< 1352665188 116802 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was just a super-awesome product
< 1352665206 313970 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this olpc or something like that
< 1352665211 121466 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you can't go straight from the toolbox to a file menu thingy
< 1352665212 25459 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, RPi
< 1352665219 364312 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352665223 307150 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, hm?
< 1352665240 339749 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gimp
< 1352665241 173321 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1352665257 436479 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, yeah that is stupid
< 1352665271 132775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :蓬Π
< 1352665288 152316 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it only shows the thingies for the window you're on, and the toolbox is a separate window
< 1352665326 722600 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so total cost is something like $70 or so when shipping, SD card, power supply, monitor cable, case and so on are included
< 1352665343 386163 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite as cheap suddenly
< 1352665372 377024 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, there are two issues here: 1) unity is terrible 2) gimp has a terrible GUI on *anything*
< 1352665405 823981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "-- developed in the UK by the Raspberry Pi Foundation with the intention of stimulating the teaching of basic computer science in schools."
< 1352665415 920317 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimp's bad GUI is a tradition
< 1352665417 868933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All their public statements have emphasized the education thing.
< 1352665421 320247 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want a better GUI, use something else
< 1352665501 957240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They e.g. didn't include the MPEG2 hw-decode license with the board officially because they didn't have any idea people would actually buy Pi's for media-center use.
< 1352665545 910526 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah
< 1352665561 483672 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how could they have missed that angle?
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< 1352665613 985089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I suppose they were just so single-mindedly doing the "cheap computer for schools" angle.
< 1352665620 564811 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352665646 894780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the stated reasons for the 512M bump was the unexpected uses people kept putting the thing to.
< 1352665672 276799 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I would manage on 256M but 512M is certainly a lot nicer
< 1352665737 386072 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm, given the lack of RTC, won't it try to fsck on every boot, at least if you use ext3/4
< 1352665747 886315 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh and what filesystem do you use on the card?
< 1352665791 134863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fixed-fraction shared with the GPU, so it's generally something closer to 192M or 224M of RAM for the system.
< 1352665820 32202 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1352665828 661697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I just put whatever raspbian-installer put there, which was probably ext3; really, since I don't have any use case for it yet, I just put something in there to see that it boots.
< 1352665840 32516 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, fixed fraction? can you configure it with a boot flag?
< 1352665857 884915 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, irc bouncer obviously
< 1352665871 713907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's configurable but not changeable at "runtime".
< 1352665876 382665 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352665908 724985 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically after the initial setup I would configure it to give me a minimum sized display in case I need to debug something, since it will be headless for my use case
< 1352665910 850040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the lowest supported for the GPU even for a headless system is 16M, I believe.
< 1352665939 516520 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway use case ideas: irc bouncer, simple server to ssh into and initiate WOL from to wake up your beefy computer at home
< 1352665977 971222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my 4*gigE mini-ITX Atom box for IRC/ssh-into/DNS/router/etc. box, though.
< 1352666008 726335 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is probably using several times as much power as the RPi though
< 1352666013 38158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly RPi would use less juice, but getting four network holes into it sounds nontrivial.
< 1352666022 868460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, kWh's aren't *that* expensive.
< 1352666026 104544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yet.)
< 1352666035 529092 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I have a switch anyway so...
< 1352666057 511417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A switch won't firewall anything.
< 1352666085 82442 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh, I have an ADSL modem with router and such built in as well
< 1352666115 516224 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what about VLAN? That would work no?
< 1352666150 845545 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would configure the switch to send everything external to the RPi, let it do the firewall, and resend on a different VLAN tag
< 1352666170 814448 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(however at this point your switch is so expensive it isn't worth it any more)
< 1352666191 636652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have switches that manageable, and anyway I doubt you could push terribly much traffic over the RPi's USB-100baseT-ethernet hole.
< 1352666196 291383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, funny thing, my desktop intel express pro gbit whatever networking thingy actually support VLAN
< 1352666214 763614 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wait, USB? How does USB come into it?
< 1352666225 70256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPi's Ethernet is connected over USB.
< 1352666231 559393 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1352666235 632979 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a weird design
< 1352666246 67234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's part of the combined USB hub / Ethernet chip from SMC.
< 1352666272 531944 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352666284 670513 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I thought it was just two features of the same chip
< 1352666304 209063 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the ethernet being visible over the USB controller
< 1352666315 470700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The A model has a single USB port (on the ARM SoC); the B model has the SMC chip permanently wired into that, and the SMC provides a USB hub with three logical ports, one of which is directly connected to the USB-Ethernet thing.
< 1352666367 453804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352666378 618745 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is that USB 2.0?
< 1352666385 845240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, yes.
< 1352666399 41878 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, can't expect USB 3 from that thing
< 1352666433 986446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ARMv6 thing is also a bit of a shame; no NEON or anything.
< 1352666452 112176 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, maybe I should just hold off to a future generation of the RPi
< 1352666505 801388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re VLAN, I am under the impression that most Linux drivers support 802.1q VLANs more or less well; certainly it works well enough for me. (I've got a VLAN for making sure traffic from the Atom box to the webserver laptop doesn't accidentally leak over the VDSL2 pipe, since I don't trust that ZTE piece of crap to do anything correctly.)
< 1352666543 273259 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352666568 144605 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you set up VLAN under Linux btw?
< 1352666602 375066 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :iptables?
< 1352666624 851085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :iproute2's "ip" tool can do it; there was also something earlier, 'vconfig' or something like that.
< 1352666639 994271 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it well documented for ip?
< 1352666645 4978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And distro-specific things; I think e.g. Debian's "/etc/network/interfaces" thing has syntax for it.
< 1352666705 888220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not terribly complicated, at least.  ip link add link realif0 name realif0.42 type vlan id 42  and then you can configure the realif0.42 interface and everything sent there will be 802.1q-tagged with the tag 42 and sent over realif0.
< 1352666721 760347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And everything thus tagged coming in from realif0 will instead appear in that interface.)
< 1352666734 881781 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352666749 64247 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that help with your atom box though?
< 1352666773 436206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. The network setup here is such that there's a VDSL2 box in bridging mode, connected to a switch with the server-laptop and the Atom box; the Atom box then isolates that DMZ area from the other network holes it has, namely LAN, wifi and the NAS box.
< 1352666810 379543 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352666819 837567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was worried that even with local 10/8 range IPs, internal traffic between the server-laptop and whatever's behind the Atom box would leak over the bridging VDSL2 box, since it's such a stupid device.
< 1352666842 960089 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does the switch handle the VLAN tags then?
< 1352666847 397424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how does VLAN help
< 1352666871 575312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made all that go over a VLAN, and configured the VDSL2 box's really poor filtering things never pass any 802.1Q traffic over the DSL link.
< 1352666886 72076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I still need to trust it to do that right, but at least I've made an attempt.
< 1352666887 504901 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352666904 411938 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not put everything behind the atom box instead?
< 1352666915 887683 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have it DMZ to the server laptop
< 1352666943 557259 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put the NAS and the LAN on a common switch on the inside
< 1352666963 435562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that'd be a possible setup; but it sounds like it'd need some slightly trickier configuration, since the server laptop needs to acquire a public IP over DHCP from the ISP.
< 1352666982 276742 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you have multiple IPs?
< 1352666983 54642 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1352666987 414664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, "needs" is in quotes.
< 1352666996 349334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They officially allow up to 5 public DHCP ips.
< 1352667001 413866 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352667022 626447 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, since it is a laptop couldn't you just access it over wifi instead?
< 1352667052 935635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... suppose. Honestly, enabling wifi on it hasn't really even occurred to me. I'm not sure it has working wifi.
< 1352667060 218576 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352667071 441184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of old, but not *that* old, so... well, it could go either way.
< 1352667078 514298 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use BT maybe XD
< 1352667085 632469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a Pentium-M 1.5 GHz thing.)
< 1352667093 435850 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, should have wifi
< 1352667097 787766 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or could at least
< 1352667201 942028 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how is the GPIO exposed to user space on the RPi?
< 1352667211 316517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :something in /dev?
< 1352667324 707479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget exactly; it's some kind of a standard Linux approach to such things.
< 1352667420 896475 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what real time versions of linux are there...
< 1352667511 656758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/pinctrl.txt -- it drops into this infrastructure, I believe.
< 1352667527 142276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then you can use standard things to run I2C or whatever over the pins.)
< 1352667583 534741 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1352667594 410118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem to talk much about the userspace side of accessing these.
< 1352667616 677001 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well sure, it isn't exactly difficult to do I2C or whatever over plain GPIO by yourself. I have done that on AVR
< 1352667638 905484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, but it's nice not to reinvent wheels so much, sometimes.
< 1352667663 673497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, server-laptop's lspci doesn't list anything too wifi-ish, though I did learn something I didn't know before, namely that there's a firewire port on it somewhere.
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< 1352667754 132918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if I had a suitable cable, I could run that firewire networking... except that the Atom board probably doesn't do firewire.
< 1352667774 680243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever managed to actually use a firewire-connected anything at home.
< 1352667841 41522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used firewire networking at one point to a desktop with only 100 mbit ethernet
< 1352667847 372510 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sped up file transfer a lot
< 1352667872 488882 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was regularly transferring several GB off it at that point
< 1352667873 585021 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :)(
< 1352667879 201958 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/($//
< 1352667892 698248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had two firewire-capable laptops with us in Belgium, and only one Ethernet cable for the hotel's Interweb connection.
< 1352667908 559357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wifi was a bit iffy in the room, so had to share the network connection over ad-hoc wifi.
< 1352667927 369524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since we didn't have a firewire cable for using that instead.
< 1352667965 78946 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352667969 269990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that the hotel's intertubes connection was fast enough for it to matter all that much.
< 1352667989 939801 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :firewire is getting kind of rare these days :/
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< 1352668025 404032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's it going with Thunderbolt? Still anywhere except some iComputers? 
< 1352668160 14508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This laptop's FireWire port is some kind of a "mini" connector.
< 1352668182 324182 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here
< 1352668198 284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FireWire_cables.jpg the leftmost one.
< 1352668208 892923 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :same on this laptop
< 1352668212 84351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a vague feeling the iBook had a full-size port.
< 1352668221 636737 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky for me I have a mini-to-fullsize cable
< 1352668427 346987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of funny that the S/PDIF optical-out on this thing seems to be always-on, so if you put anything to the right of the laptop, it's illuminated with a red glow from one of the 3.5mm audio jacks; the one that has the dual-purpose optical-S/PDIF out in it.
< 1352668443 973529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's easy to remember which jack to plug it in by just putting a hand next to them all.
< 1352668446 945201 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352668458 423490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is kind of silly
< 1352668477 270958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it goes dark if I mute the sound, which is funny.
< 1352668566 211529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I have seen devices with optical audio are red even when off, so I don't know why it would be dark if muted.
< 1352668592 714347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd probably be red even if it were sending silence; I guess the driver turns the whole transmitter off somehow.
< 1352668713 348679 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, this is the server laptop?
< 1352668719 472364 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess muting is a reasonable idea then
< 1352668740 627458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it was the... uh, laptop-laptop.
< 1352668744 682775 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
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< 1352668814 138235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though for all I know the server-laptop could do the same thing; it does have on-board audio, after all.
< 1352668847 986437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, it probably has built-in speakers too; I mean, it *is* a laptop.
< 1352668898 713112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you never know when the capability to remotely make a noise in that room could come in handy.
< 1352668961 463692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SparcStation 5 had a rather impressive built-in speaker; I wasn't aware of that incidentally, and got quite a scare when I thought I'd just out of curiosity try to play an audio file.
< 1352668984 175887 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352668991 802580 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you have a sparcstation?
< 1352669014 442626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been in the basement for quite a while, but yes.
< 1352669047 201041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was my main router/IRC box for several years.
< 1352669099 924173 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1352669109 234303 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you stop using it for that?
< 1352669112 465138 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the power usage?
< 1352669142 121996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, and it has (at least) two terribly loud fans, and I slept like two metres from it while in the one-room student apartment.
< 1352669257 841992 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive you managed that
< 1352669282 976683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These days I don't even have a monitor I could display its console on, since I got rid of the big hulking CRT.
< 1352669299 931971 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the RPi boot via the GPU. Weird
< 1352669337 330895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a "Sun 13w3 to 4xBNC" cable for it, but it needs a CRT screen that has the BNC connectors and can do combined H/V sync.
< 1352669351 564617 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean "combined H/V sync"?
< 1352669358 763273 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :same sync for horizontal and vertical?
< 1352669372 263653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Single wire for it; I don't know how it works.
< 1352669372 944364 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it counts the number of syncs to know where it is?
< 1352669385 755636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be a different kind of pulse.
< 1352669388 304771 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The haskell tag on Tumblr has too much rugby
< 1352669477 671069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't know; anyway, the CRT I had handled it fine. According to specs, it supported separate H/V sync (5xBNC, like VGA has), combined H/V sync (4xBNC), and even sync-on-green (3xBNC) reportedly used by some workstations.
< 1352669593 417792 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352669599 945431 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you don't have that monitor any more?
< 1352669607 59173 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how will you ever use your sparcstation then?
< 1352669635 430346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can do serial console just fine.
< 1352669648 843227 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352669652 941081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suppose I shall never see the fancy font any more.
< 1352669661 480103 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had a fancy font?
< 1352669675 540646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy compared to 8x16 VGA, that is.
< 1352669679 482982 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352669695 893234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like 12x22 and a correspondingly higher resolution.
< 1352669715 676539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bitmaps are of course available from the Internet.
< 1352669747 244810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As an aside, I also think the lower-right panel is misleading. A betting decision depends not just on probabilities but also on utilities. If the sun as gone nova, money is worthless. Hence anyone, Bayesian or not, should be willing to bet $50 that the sun has not exploded."
< 1352669757 434273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I still have the Type 5 keyboard, but that's not very useful without a monitor for the actual console.
< 1352669813 910241 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, bet you all the american currency I have that the sun hasn't exploded
< 1352669844 541067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: is that 0
< 1352669878 126238 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you a nonzero amount of american currency that the sun hasn't exploded
< 1352669902 560816 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there is info on overclocking the RPi, but nothing on underclocking it
< 1352669914 981627 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO it doesn't need to run at 700 MHz when the load is low
< 1352670073 864670 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's 0.01
< 1352670101 84772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://wiki.stocksy.co.uk/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_Internet_in_a_box#Frequency_Scaling says that you can have it do the usual ondemand scaling at least for the [100 MHz, 700 MHz] range.
< 1352670147 998393 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1352670152 424348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently the "turbo mode" can also go downwards and not only upwards.)
< 1352670217 783961 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm what are the steps here I wonder
< 1352670226 901971 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 MHz at a time?
< 1352670284 884534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, now that you spoke of the monitor issue, it's borderline possible there's also a native 13W3-connector monitor that'd work with the SparcStation in the same basement storage locker. I think the SGI Indy came with one, and I don't recall getting rid of it.
< 1352670312 787214 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352670317 659747 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have an SGI Indy too?
< 1352670318 721097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1352670332 931548 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why did you buy those expensive workstations?
< 1352670360 70426 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :he probably got them used for almost-free
< 1352670392 675160 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, used, right
< 1352670453 996735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1352670493 897407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1352670521 693273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SparcStation came from an auction by a quirky company (Damicon Kraa) specializing in Sun stuff (in those days), and I think it cost somewhere around 100 eur.
< 1352670552 925507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Indy was completely free, surplus from the university when they got rid of them; it used to be in a classroom.
< 1352670627 343672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some guy in the Internet mailed me a SS5 motherboard with a faster CPU and an SBUS fast-ethernet-and-SCSI card for some ridiculously cheap price.
< 1352670653 566682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might've even been some guy from this weird IRC channel called "#esoteric".
< 1352670677 345690 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those guys are weird
< 1352670694 900615 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"weird" is a rather fitting word
< 1352670717 501290 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no!
< 1352670729 391385 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only the 25th top poster on the IWC forums!
< 1352670733 946747 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be 24th!
< 1352670748 165282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very soon you won't be in the top 25 at all.
< 1352670800 530573 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not too late!
< 1352670804 295246 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make more posts!
< 1352670805 816729 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahaha!
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< 1352671473 430985 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ztirf
< 1352671483 425013 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ztirf: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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< 1352674206 408470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how fast the clock speed of OpenCores Amber core is? I will need to know this.
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< 1352674262 908640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, more precisely, I would need to know how such things are figured out.
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< 1352674288 581319 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks
< 1352674311 706659 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traditionally, Chinese abacii were hexadecimal.
< 1352674335 84361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: doesn't it come down to the physical gate delay of whatever system you synthesize it in?
< 1352674339 502712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are? I didn't know that.
< 1352674370 626081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally with FPGAs it's hard to say the max clock speed a priori because it depends on how all the gate layout and scheduling of shared interlinks goes
< 1352674380 628794 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they were designed so each column represented numbers 0 through 15.
< 1352674423 333922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I would think so, but I don't know how you calculate it from that. The documentation for Amber says it is for Xilinx Spartan6, so I may use that at first until it is available to port it to a open-source FPGA, one-time-programmable FPGA, and/or ASIC.
< 1352674477 278722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it would have to be modified to work with different kind of FPGA anyways than Xilinx Spartan6, as far as I can tell.
< 1352674532 750505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I suppose you can still make up the hexadecimal abacus if you want to have one like that, though.
< 1352674780 650466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you know of Xilinx Spartan6 supports one-time-programmable? I would prefer to use one-time-programmable if possible, since it would not be useful to reprogram it if the FPGA is not open-source.
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< 1352674886 33663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know
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< 1352679531 821635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :A button to touch, a dial to turn, a key to hold | Days turn to nights turn to weeks turn to paper into rocks into plastic | http://phantom-hoover.tumblr.com/ | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1352680686 880566 :hagb4rd|outoford!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :into words into wind
< 1352680701 445824 :hagb4rd|outoford!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd
< 1352680746 714637 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :into fear
< 1352680828 426519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks hagb4rd
< 1352680840 106046 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome elliott
< 1352681098 847116 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : should we really have my tumblr up there when it hasn't been updated in a month
< 1352681126 896377 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1352681175 198412 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thagb4rd
< 1352681230 967144 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean of course we can change it
< 1352681244 79059 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1352681246 423622 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352681324 585740 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cookies?
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< 1352682315 448903 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, it sure is weird that TINCSOATUDTNN.
< 1352682349 829664 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's some heady shit.
< 1352682407 897949 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352682408 348412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1352682439 449643 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you got me by way of sending me a message after i had already checked
< 1352682470 11154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ;^)
< 1352682666 977355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Showing results for TINY STUDENT
< 1352682667 482208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found for TINCSOATUDTNN
< 1352682673 190386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that some kind of ioctl
< 1352682676 209561 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no such thing as a...?
< 1352682683 649026 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no computable set of axioms that uniquely defines the natural numbers.
< 1352682709 318807 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
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< 1352683142 685743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: would you like to tell us another 1000 times
< 1352683148 203828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could compete with Sgeo talking about clojure
< 1352683236 789112 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1352683239 129642 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no computable set of axioms that uniquely defines the natural numbers.
< 1352683258 207715 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just, like...
< 1352683261 389237 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up with that?
< 1352683266 256488 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1352683289 445535 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pardon..go on
< 1352683317 674821 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really have anything else to say.
< 1352683534 980003 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they say, "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all"
< 1352683548 402578 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you think the natural numbers feel about that
< 1352683785 599541 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good tswett just keeps us aware of the wonders in this world
< 1352683869 982281 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe I've hurt the natural numbers' feelings by saying this about them.
< 1352684455 366713 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess nobody likes to be calculable at all
< 1352684524 189661 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hm.  How's this as a definition of the natural numbers...
< 1352684570 105778 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero is a natural number.  Every natural number has a successor.  The successors of distinct natural numbers are distinct.  Zero is not the successor of any natural number.  No natural numbers exist except as required by the preceding statements.
< 1352684596 468835 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not, of course, a set of axioms in first-order logic
< 1352684735 67084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm having the strangest feeling of deja vu here tswett
< 1352684790 302117 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh?
< 1352684799 389974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1352684804 132314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost as if you've said the exact same thing before
< 1352684853 35828 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see.
< 1352684861 488623 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be still true
< 1352684902 283389 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nevertheless.. what was this clojore thing? :p
< 1352684914 886201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1352684943 623222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not in the mood to Python after a day of Clojure
< 1352684950 565096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Pythoning is more important right now
< 1352684987 189652 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, I guess I could use another language as long as it runs on the server I have access too... unfortunately, the JVM doesn't work on it. And I'd rather use a language the other people in my group have a hope of understanding.
< 1352685197 323047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :python is fine
< 1352685603 555479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like sgeo has the lead so far
< 1352685716 789588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lead of?
< 1352685733 225175 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :My "axioms" almost seem well-defined, but I wonder if they're actually meaningful within any system of logic.
< 1352685747 245165 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a contest to mention clojure the most times
< 1352685783 462343 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's clojure vs natural numbers
< 1352685792 68009 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The contest is whether Sgeo can mention Clojure more times than I mention the fact that TINCSOATUDTNN.
< 1352685805 366117 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow you abbreviated it
< 1352685810 959451 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've established a cutesy nickname, that must give you extra points
< 1352685828 275758 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's what tincoastsutugjhgjgjlglj is
< 1352685851 760544 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pronounced "Tincture Sud Tune", of course.
< 1352685859 310424 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo should get an I'd Rather Be Clojurin' bumper sticker to keep up, maybe
< 1352686065 303621 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except no, I think it's actually pronounced "tiny student".
< 1352686097 61303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : lead of?
< 1352686101 75076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : tswett: would you like to tell us another 1000 times
< 1352686101 122817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : you could compete with Sgeo talking about clojure
< 1352686135 862590 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, what type of logic would that be?  "No natural numbers exist except as required by the preceding statements."  The naive way to do that would be to say something like, for all X, if the statement "the preceding statements imply that X exists" is not necessary, then X does not exist.
< 1352686157 651312 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, "X exists" is not a meaningful predicate.
< 1352686256 82397 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it just "the smallest set satisfying these axioms"
< 1352686286 601380 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the problem I have with that is that now you have to define "set".
< 1352686356 63759 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You were talking about what natural numbers are anyway.  What the set of natural numbers is.
< 1352686384 535743 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So?  I can define a concept that happens to be a set without also defining the word "set".
< 1352686423 876185 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, I can try to.
< 1352686452 701735 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, we don't need to define the word "set".  But, given a collection, it would be really nice to have a definition of a subset of that collection.
< 1352686521 750496 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lessee, the thing that comes to mind is, "Subsets of a collection C are those things such that if C can be partitioned into two subsets D and E, then each subset of C corresponds to a pair (a subset of D, a subset of E)".
< 1352686529 671989 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's pretty much useless.
< 1352686549 276813 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't say that the collection {x, y} has more than two subsets.
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< 1352690751 59045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @
< 1352690751 368517 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . ? @ activity activity-full admin all-dicts arr ask b52s babel bf bid botsnack brain bug check choice-add choose clear-messages compose devils dice dict dict-help djinn djinn-add
< 1352690751 503942 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :djinn-clr djinn-del djinn-env djinn-names djinn-ver do docs dummy easton echo elements elite eval fact fact-cons fact-delete fact-set fact-snoc fact-update faq farber flush foldoc forget fortune
< 1352690751 621993 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fptools free freshname ft gazetteer get-shapr ghc girl19 google googleit gsite gwiki hackage help hitchcock hoogle hoogle+ id ignore index instances instances-importing irc-connect jargon join karma
< 1352690751 675766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma+ karma- karma-all keal kind learn leave let list listall listchans listmodules listservers localtime localtime-reply lojban map messages messages? more msg nazi-off nazi-on nixon oeis offline
< 1352690751 722468 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oldwiki palomer part paste ping pl pl-resume pointful pointless pointy poll-add poll-close poll-list poll-remove poll-result poll-show pretty print-notices protontorpedo purge-notices quit quote rc
< 1352690753 269830 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :read reconnect remember repoint run shootout show slap smack source spell spell-all src tell thank you thanks thx ticker time todo todo-add todo-delete topic-cons topic-init topic-null topic-snoc
< 1352690755 191307 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :topic-tail topic-tell type undefine undo unlambda unmtl unpf unpl unpointless uptime url v vera version vote web1913 what where where+ wiki wn world02 yarr yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw yow
< 1352690768 163434 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll be able to focus while I eat?
< 1352690978 766994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of a idea, to make a type system which instead of the logic is based on being fixed, you can define your own rules for them.
< 1352690993 270293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how it would work, though (I don't even know if it works at all).
< 1352691890 575473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another idea is some type system based on regular expressions, with a few things added, and including replacements; the units here are constructors and containers though.
< 1352692342 184708 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could then add various kind of anchors and other operators, have containers attached to constructors be ordered or disordered, have a forbidding operator, laziness operator, allow types to share constructors, have one-way, have one-use, implicit type casting automatically works, etc
< 1352692625 766732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another strange thing perhaps is, a constructor can be defined to be idempotent or to commute with another constructor, and you could have two types with the same constructor where it commutes in one type but in the other it doesn't commute, or is idempotent in one but not the other, etc
< 1352693098 38073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :controlling industrial cutting laser over X forwarding
< 1352693101 421852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE A BOSS
< 1352693134 663609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you had a consumer cutting laser.
< 1352693164 669872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine
< 1352693168 634881 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't sound as cool
< 1352693182 177934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will claim it's an industral laser because of the extreme user-unfriendliness of the control system
< 1352693340 647739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as defining addition of types at the type level, with this system you would also be able to define addition of values at the type level too.
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< 1352696670 390095 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The skill generator command is SKI and I have also added the lookup table command is LUT
< 1352696744 716795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could implement a command for scaling the total of a list of numbers, which together with LUT could be used for implementing Goldilock's method.
< 1352697383 49976 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay zzo38 
< 1352697402 826811 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard would it be to make it 4e
< 1352697719 250662 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. This SKI command is a command which is a part of FurryScript, and the options it supports should be sufficient for D&D3.5e and for Icosahedral RPG; maybe it is sufficient for 4e as well, and if not then you can tell me what options to add.
< 1352697752 426230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :comex: "I order ais523 to place a large notice on eir home page stating that eir cashing condition was inaccurate." <3
< 1352697812 344041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@context elliott
< 1352697812 751356 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1352697855 15207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Options at this point are: C=cost I=increase-cost M=max-value c=count d=dice r=removal-chance v=initial-value. In addition, you specify the number of skill points in total, and the skill names are allowed to contain templates.
< 1352697877 55865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: agora
< 1352697901 318736 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, http://agoranomic.org/
< 1352697908 847664 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: Page may be out of date)
< 1352697985 683801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "C" option is used to implement cross-class skills in D&D3.5e; Icosahedral doesn't use class/cross-class skills. The "d" option makes something resembling the skill advancement in ADOM. The "c" option makes it more likely to select that skill, the "r" option makes it less likely the more it is selected, the "v" gives you skill ranks for free.
< 1352698093 705584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget how 4e skills work so if you know, then you might know if these options are sufficient for that purpose or not. Do you know?
< 1352698610 254603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do have some idea of additional options to add: mutually exclusive skills, skills spendable in other skills, multiple classes of skills, skills that lock or unlock other skills, priorities, skill levels, etc
< 1352699115 599438 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: What do you think of this? Is it sufficient for what you are doing? If not, what would it need to make it sufficient for such purposes?
< 1352699362 936370 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general 4e is simpler than 3.5e
< 1352699383 475538 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if it uses templates, it should be possible just to modify the template to get it working for 4e
< 1352699422 551213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know. However it still does not answer my question completely. These "templates" are the same templates as the rest of FurryScript and may or may not be what you need.
< 1352699470 275176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I mean is you can write a skill list with options specified, and the skill names can contain templates.
< 1352699492 237782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(These templates are separate from the options, and you can use both.)
< 1352699567 736265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember that 4e still has class/cross-class skills but not skill ranks (Icosahedral RPG is the opposite; it has skill ranks but not class/cross-class skills).
< 1352699674 260141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe I misremember it, or maybe I missed something.
< 1352699725 821299 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that FurryScript has no skill list built-in; you still have to write the skill list yourself.
< 1352699777 574132 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do these answer any of your questions at all, or does it confuse you?
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< 1352700376 973227 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything about furryscript confusses me
< 1352700803 170395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read the documentation (and source-codes if necessary)?
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< 1352706726 939945 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i read it and read examples and still am confused
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< 1352706822 7495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Explain what part you misunderstood?
< 1352706869 150325 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how the interpreter actually works. how to write my own scripts.
< 1352706880 396242 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gather it's some kind of stack machine
< 1352706881 255906 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1352706905 387264 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't quite understand how programs are organized and how execution order is determined and such
< 1352706948 53073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is executed from beginning to end; blocks [] are subroutine blocks which do not execute until called
< 1352706999 2794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any strings (not any other types) on the stack when the program ends is done implicitly run GEN on them and then is send each one to output. This is the only way to make the program to output anything (except for debugging commands).
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< 1352709071 881811 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy stuff
< 1352709165 816637 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo
< 1352709313 718318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy
< 1352709316 953671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"im the new Sgeo"
< 1352709373 807827 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo
< 1352709455 723628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Can I have a fortune?
< 1352709490 459875 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i have fortune installed
< 1352709520 513970 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eugh whatever
< 1352709525 416134 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is `fortune a thing
< 1352709526 766165 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fortune
< 1352709539 214745 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.-. \                           ||`7.V\/| \                          / .--.|  '-, \                        _/ /     _  <__ \                       (_>(   -.- \ /==\ \                        '`.  -(_/ //|==.|\ \                           `>  --', |--.|=\ \                          _\V|/|/(/||==-|.=\ \                          ->. _.-'-'|.==|.-'| \                          _7__| u _u|==.|_.-|
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< 1352709598 561073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: why wouldn't you have fortune installed. except for all the standard fortune sets being bad
< 1352709613 167987 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1352709886 433093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run fortune -o  # offend me, machine!
< 1352709890 841801 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Little Mary on the ice, \ Went out to have a frisk, \ Now wasn't little Mary nice, \ Her pretty *?
< 1352709903 263095 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahahahahahahahahah
< 1352709906 17358 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: update
< 1352709909 932298 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have beaten sgeo
< 1352709916 577907 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also you i think
< 1352709919 456827 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1352709935 556431 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hs
< 1352709937 976167 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1352709955 580109 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :homestuck
< 1352709975 466891 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1352709979 55181 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has updated
< 1352709982 179246 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1352709984 640888 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo normally informs people of this
< 1352709990 728583 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the joke is
< 1352709995 920060 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo beat you
< 1352709999 508358 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sorry coppro
< 1352710004 93960 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah
< 1352710008 692110 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1352710011 672180 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am ashamed
< 1352710015 49222 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not really
< 1352710017 934005 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I was doing other things
< 1352710043 81447 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was taken by surprise by the second page though
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< 1352710089 943290 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: were you too ?
< 1352710146 865645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is the joke that i haven't read homestuck in aeons
< 1352710178 353790 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure whether to expect a psyche
< 1352710196 375874 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's like at least half the joke yeah
< 1352710244 622070 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also love the thememing of the planets
< 1352710261 952225 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :all dead, all noble
< 1352710285 169588 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what did you think ?
< 1352710294 249273 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I think argon feels left out :(
< 1352710308 435821 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second page was surprising
< 1352710339 856590 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but what comes after?
< 1352710342 321510 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it for reals?
< 1352710367 270725 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the music at LoTaK is fantastic
< 1352710509 547660 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should see this, i hear it's surprising and fantastic
< 1352710637 972408 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if skaia itself counts as argon or something
< 1352710881 516814 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352711089 894228 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since it's in the middle)
< 1352711192 866411 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some people are hoping it isn't for real, but I'm kind of hoping it is
< 1352711202 204910 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi nooodl
< 1352711208 752274 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooooooooooodl, sorry
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< 1352711653 920159 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn’t find the full BeagleBone pin information in a machine readable format anywhere, so i did it myself: https://github.com/ion1/beagle_bone_pins
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< 1352715546 941687 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if GNU C allows a variable declaration to be an unnamed union?
< 1352715628 995841 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, if you have a question about FurryScript, please write it in details in the http://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:Zzo38/FurryScript
< 1352716013 582163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU C does allow unnamed unions as an extension in pre-C11 modes, yes, if I recall correctly.
< 1352716041 381775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, that is, allows unnamed union members.
< 1352716054 250639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think anything will allow a tagless union variable declaration.
< 1352716091 499175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Unnamed" is perhaps a bit vague.)
< 1352716156 494443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean the kinds of unnamed unions that are used as struct/union members, I don't think it allows that as a variable declaration.
< 1352716237 72705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words,  struct s { union { int x; double y; }; };  is fine, as is  union { int x; double y; } u;  but not plain  union { int x; double y; };  outside of a struct or an union declaration.
< 1352716348 80125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they going to change it so that it is allowed?
< 1352716400 789984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone else want such feature?
< 1352716719 937232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds slightly unlikely. I suppose the desired semantics would be the same as  union { int x; double y; } u;  except allowing plain x and y as opposed to u.x and u.y in the scope where the declaration is visible? 
< 1352716750 36648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, so x and y have the same address, too.
< 1352717118 77085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible that "they" think it would be potentially too surprising; as opposed to the variant where there is at least some explicit indication that the two variables are in an union.
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< 1352717496 845936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't seem too surprising to me, at least.
< 1352717588 941340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use macros in some cases, but such things lacks the scope, and macros cannot define other macros.
< 1352717789 995750 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think declaring unnamed structures as variables should also be allowed in order to force them to be grouped together if the address is being used in such a way.
< 1352717842 127614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I'm willing to just write the "foo." prefix in such a case.
< 1352717877 530448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :==fizzie
< 1352717972 539184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is one way, although it may fail with some uses of macros, and anyways it seem to me that it ought to be allowed, by how the others worked.
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< 1352718369 815581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it depends on whether you see it as a feature of a struct/union declaration ("leaving out the name allows the members to bubble up to the enclosing scope") or as a feature of a struct/union *member* declaration ("leaving out the name pulls up the members to this scope"); the way it's specified is closer to the latter.
< 1352718448 272217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, here's two C features I've never seen used "in the wild"; any spottings of these elsewhere?  struct bf { int bf1 : 1; int : 0; int bf2 : 1; };  and  int f(int n, int ary[*]); int f(int n, int ary[n]) { ... }
< 1352718487 921031 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not seen it.
< 1352718571 618061 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
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< 1352718619 91064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding the latter, it's funny that  int f(int a, int not_a, int ary[a]); int f(int a, int nota, int ary[not_a]) { ... }  is perfectly legal -- in a function declaration that's not a definition any non-constant sizes are taken as if "[*]" were written there instead.
< 1352718633 556070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/nota/not_a/
< 1352718904 970799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would my ^+| and ^-&~ operators be useful ever for hardware description?
< 1352719137 860815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the ^+| acts like ^ or | or + but is undefined if the operands share any bits set; the ^-&~ is undefined if any bits set in right operand are clear in the left operand.
< 1352719222 117712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are... are those the symbols for the operators? 
< 1352719273 186600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are symbols I made up because I don't know of the others. Probably ^-&~ is no good, maybe -&~^ is better?
< 1352719313 341252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in C; in other programming languages it might be OK.
< 1352719368 549407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you use Control.Lens?
< 1352719465 410142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, not at this time. Maybe later, though, if I find to use it.
< 1352719513 853222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I think I am wrong about ^-&~ being no good, now that I think of it.)
< 1352719575 168814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you like Bazaar?
< 1352719684 814173 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: http://BASICcomic.com
< 1352719955 998269 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm pretty sure the bitfields-in-struct thing is mentioned in K&R, but that's not exactly in the wild.  Incidentally, "why aren't these used very often?" was my first thought when I read about them
< 1352719998 756852 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me like a cleaner approach than using and/or to mask out bits in an int
< 1352720031 670435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I've seen bitfields; what I haven't seen is the "int : 0;" part.
< 1352720060 437185 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha
< 1352720091 863894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It "indicates that no further bit-field is to be packed into the unit in which the previous bit-field, if any, was placed."
< 1352720169 858539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:35  ,cc size_t size1 = sizeof (struct { int bf1 : 1; int bf2 : 1; }), size2 = sizeof (struct { int bf1 : 1; int : 0; int bf2 : 1; });
< 1352720172 817307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:36  fizzie:   
< 1352720866 909800 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's wacky
< 1352720872 854807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does [*] do?
< 1352721060 272621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you ever look at Control.Lens? "pretty nifty, if i do say so myself"
< 1352721233 396859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially Traversals and all that.
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< 1352721387 418984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352721442 79046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "If the size is * instead of being an expression, the array type is a variable length array of unspecified size, which can only be used in declarations or type names with function prototype scope [FOOTNOTE: Thus, * can only be used in function declarations that are not definitions (see 6.7.6.3).]; such arrays are nonetheless complete types."
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< 1352722284 379401 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtu.be/tqUvKO8ktJk
< 1352722358 196418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such elegance.
< 1352722990 44430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this differs from a[] because it's a VLA rather than a plain array?
< 1352723048 787819 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not, because array arguments are always actually pointer arguments?
< 1352723078 409943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It differs because it's a VLA, yes.
< 1352723234 495221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly it might not matter in the case I pasted, where the "array of type" is adjusted to "pointer of type", but it matters with a more complicated declarator.
< 1352723495 197673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. you can write  int f(int n, int a[n][n])  or equivalently  int f(int n, int (*a)[n])  and a suitable prototype for f would be also  int f(int n, int (*a)[*]);  but having  int f(int n, int (*a)[]) { ... }  wouldn't work.
< 1352723645 865167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For one thing, as mentioned a[*] is a complete type while a[] is not.
< 1352723684 471708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:34  ,cc int f(int n, int a[][]);
< 1352723684 617276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:34  fizzie: error: array type has incomplete element type 
< 1352723684 617452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:34  ,cc int f(int n, int a[*][*]);
< 1352723684 617559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:34  fizzie: Success (no output). 
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< 1352723854 492595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, I haven't seen the  int f(int n[static 42]) { ... }  form in the wild either.
< 1352723956 244050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("If the keyword static also appears within the [ and ] of the array type derivation, then for each call to the function, the value of the corresponding actual argument shall provide access to the first element of an array with at least as many elements as specified by the size expression", but it's not like anyone would *check*.
< 1352724200 651881 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1352724384 262628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int f(int n[static 10]) { ... }; ... int a[8]; f(a);  is undefined behaviour, unlike  int f(int n[10]) { ... }; ... int a[8]; f(a);  which is only UB if f actually tries to access anything past the end of a.
< 1352724505 496798 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if anything anywhere will in fact do anything different there; but theoretically speaking the compiler could (in the first case) e.g. speculatively load 10 ints from where the argument points at, and you couldn't blame it for blowing up.
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< 1352732573 225823 :claplost!~Paco@148.Red-83-33-60.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
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< 1352732882 647037 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always keep a roll of sticky tape in the pocket of my shorts
< 1352732952 203928 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#true-facts
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< 1352733633 503954 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: To prompt "is that your roll of sticky tape or are you just happy to see me" questions, I suppose? 
< 1352733680 103836 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I only wear my shorts when cosplaying, and I only cosplay with Homestucks and some of these homestucks have really shoddy horns that need constant repairing
< 1352733716 372163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piles of horns.
< 1352733825 953112 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352734029 98348 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now cannot stand the sound of clown horns
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< 1352738784 263914 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I listening to Prodigy
< 1352738787 105315 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who even are Prodigy
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< 1352738927 66931 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, did you do the update thingy
< 1352738946 146 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, oops, sorry I left you out
< 1352738965 692826 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was offline most likely
< 1352738975 180210 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw it at about 11 this morning (GMT)
< 1352739053 487639 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way
< 1352739063 949807 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the phrase "what even is this?" and friends
< 1352739070 847337 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the grammatical structure is hilarious
< 1352739098 651320 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't
< 1352739105 863319 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am literally unable
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< 1352739319 517034 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: to do what?
< 1352739351 650564 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Demonstrate ungrammatical sentences, evidently
< 1352739360 68665 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are quite common on Tumblr
< 1352739370 456729 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you did it quite well
< 1352739375 783363 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what even is tumblr
< 1352739380 117109 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand it
< 1352739386 109010 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an art-themed microblogging website
< 1352739454 616 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like rich-text twitter with images, videos, sound, and no character limit
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< 1352739477 150372 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what it is, in theory
< 1352739520 662923 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, your question is like asking "What even is reddit?" or "What even is 4chan?"
< 1352739523 535959 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a community
< 1352739529 766320 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which can be weird
< 1352739534 487579 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And can be wonderful
< 1352739541 83475 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And can be wrong.
< 1352739547 795043 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So very very wrong.
< 1352739561 591158 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you see someone transmorphing a cat and it's all cool
< 1352739794 216931 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1352740668 421837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "TI-84 Plus C Silver Edition", a TI-84+ with a 320x240x16bpp color screen: http://www.cemetech.net/news.php?id=539 (not much non-rumoury details).
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< 1352741503 617836 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh
< 1352741608 603314 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: so act 6 act 4 eh
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< 1352741765 713923 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1352741805 510425 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alpha kids' Sburb is survival horror
< 1352741813 56171 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's the twelth of April
< 1352741883 530744 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the planets
< 1352741888 720276 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :all dead
< 1352741900 526541 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm getting a PS3 controller working on windows appears non-trivial. It works out of the box on Linux. Heck it even works out of the box on my android phone in USB mode, and it is easy to get it to work in bluetooth mode
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< 1352743342 929055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I use that thing.
< 1352743354 663803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The MotioninJoy driver.
< 1352743365 261679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's an ad-riddled piece of ugly mess, but it works fine.
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< 1352744226 795525 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm looking at an alternative that seems a lot more basic
< 1352744231 291286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and no ads
< 1352744241 909897 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :however there is a bit of mess with driver signing
< 1352744273 295330 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, will tell you if it works in a bit
< 1352744298 888397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I can be bothered to switch since it works just fine; though admittedly I feel a bit queasy, having it on my system.
< 1352744314 320434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does a rather passable xbox360 emulation for the PS3 controller, which is nice.
< 1352744342 258380 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one I'm testing has a japanese only page, though there is an English readme
< 1352744365 904370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bastion IIRC only worked for a x360 pad; and Sonic Generations has this random malfunction when it comes to any pads that aren't used via XInput aka. anything not a x360.
< 1352744375 384298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the MotioninJoy emulation has so far been fine.
< 1352744391 328176 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like malware to me, that is the issue
< 1352744412 166118 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I played an snes emulator on my android phone with this thing now, in bluetooth mode even. Works fine.
< 1352744447 570292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works over bluetooth with the N900 just fine, too; I don't recall if I needed to install anything.
< 1352744452 198457 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why does this use miniusb rather than microusb
< 1352744475 296820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have absolutely no idea; my cable is from an old digital camera that also used miniusb.
< 1352744488 884099 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a mini-usb cable from my bank login thingy
< 1352744502 124736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has one of those large bulky things they sometimes put to cables that presumably do something to rf interference or something.
< 1352744509 679762 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1352744512 54662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, the kind of cylindrical things.
< 1352744515 101912 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352744517 927922 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ferrite cores?
< 1352744527 267261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that, right.
< 1352744534 765701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the mini-usb end, it looks real stupid hanging there.
< 1352744547 235684 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352744555 636374 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :my camera have that too
< 1352744570 475763 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is optional, only required for the remote control mode according to the manual
< 1352744585 184808 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :my camera uses a custom connector on that end of the cable though
< 1352744600 131070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The current camera I have has a custom connector too.
< 1352744602 130968 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also windows is being slow after boot as usual
< 1352744640 966069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The miniusb was from some 1600x1200 pocket-camera bought a decade ago.
< 1352744657 291998 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1352744750 538448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back in... uh, school grades 7-9, I was helping with the PageMakering of the school newspaper; they had a quite early digital camera there.
< 1352744762 645181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the resolution, but it recorder on 3.5" floppies of all things.
< 1352744831 198945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Mavica -- I'm pretty sure it was that Mavica MVC-FD5 shown there, or a close relative.
< 1352744855 321044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hum, my gcc rejects "void f(int a[*]);"
< 1352744888 977739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: With -std=c99? 
< 1352744892 981927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352744898 228697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nm
< 1352744901 750646 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm being dumb
< 1352744920 634120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it works
< 1352744981 603380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it really doesn't have a difference for that "top-level array" case, since the "'array of T' is adjusted to 'pointer to T'" rule takes effect no matter whether it was a VLA or not.
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< 1352745166 524599 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm
< 1352745183 601783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the MVC-FD5 had an impressive 640x480 resolution too.
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< 1352745334 11477 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, speaking of ferrite cores, I have a power cable with one of those on
< 1352745340 597178 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is for an external HDD enclosure
< 1352745357 287055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but it matters for a[3][*] ?
< 1352745374 75218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Right; you couldn't have a type a[3][], after all.
< 1352745393 900906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Array element type can't be incomplete.)
< 1352745415 590096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The power cable from the transformer to the laptop has one at the transformer end.
< 1352745431 995440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, because it has to know how big it is
< 1352745435 558217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, this laptop; not some generic "the laptop".
< 1352745475 751019 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think the hdd one has the core on the HDD end
< 1352745498 330327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that matters. (Am no electroman.)
< 1352745531 97090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a float[4][5] is 20 contiguous floats... but a float[4][*] is four pointers to separate VLAs?
< 1352745536 465592 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm I think windows is ignoring the boot flags I set...
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< 1352745547 142089 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact bcdedit appears screwy on this computer
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< 1352745559 710761 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to explicitly give it the path to the bcd file for it to find it
< 1352745578 448073 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :very strange
< 1352745591 761274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: float[4][*] is a variably modified type, but it's still 4*(something) contiguous floats, and the actual function definition needs to have an actual expression there to specify (something).
< 1352745615 218484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i see
< 1352745626 630081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can that depend on previous parameters?
< 1352745629 954460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1352745635 193387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int f(int n, float a[4][n])
< 1352745638 329410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow dependent types
< 1352745697 728907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are more restrictions for variably modified types than for regular types; can't have them at file scope and so on.
< 1352745756 868614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also make it possible for sizeof expressions to have side effects, something that wasn't possible earlier.
< 1352745769 949566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes
< 1352745773 853072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which effects are those?
< 1352745779 68260 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which language?
< 1352745795 679976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :C. Well, C99 and later.
< 1352745796 89118 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof(int[printf("foo\n")]) and/or the like
< 1352745807 429094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :sizeof (int[i++]) too.
< 1352745815 499208 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352745828 252698 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, sure
< 1352745842 8284 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it possible for the effects to be not define as part of the sizeof expression
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< 1352745877 320745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not; once you do int f[foo("bar")]; I don't think "sizeof f" is allowed to re-evaluate foo("bar").
< 1352745886 915645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a rule that the side effects can happen, but don't need to happen, if their result is not needed for computing the result of the sizeof.
< 1352745906 595463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you can also do void f(double a[restrict][5])
< 1352745922 799361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The qualifiers-in-[] is kind of funny-looking, yes.
< 1352745922 944928 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that a is passed by restricted pointer, I guess
< 1352745995 761838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway  sizeof (int (*)[i++])  is allowed but not required to increment i, since even though it's a variably modified type, the size of the array is not relevant for computing the size of the pointer.
< 1352746002 574919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm
< 1352746060 884469 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I think windows is getting either lagged by interrupts or IO for the period 2 to 3 minutes after boot. I had this issue for some time
< 1352746073 26821 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but never managed to pull up process explorer before during that period
< 1352746090 310140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like int a[static 5] was probably added for some super specific reason
< 1352746095 149338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:48  ,cc int i = 1, j = 1; size_t s = sizeof (int[i++]), t = sizeof (int (*)[j++]);
< 1352746098 201774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:48  fizzie:  
< 1352746279 425440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the alternative syntax of "double (* restrict a)[5]" also looks pretty weird
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< 1352746438 231383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C99, the use of the static keyword in: [... double a[static 10], double b[static 10] ...] guarantees that both the pointers a and b provide access to the first element of an array containing at least ten elements. The static keyword also guarantees that the pointer is not NULL and points to an object of the appropriate effective type. It does not, however, guarantee that a and b point to ...
< 1352746444 784111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... unique, non-overlapping objects. The restrict keyword is used for that purpose as in: [... double a[static restrict 10] ...] -- This is information that an optimizer can use, for example, to unroll the loop and reorder the loads and stores of the elements referenced through a and b."
< 1352746449 749309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is all that the rationale says about it.
< 1352746468 779393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loading elements "in advance" is also what I sort of thought of.
< 1352746518 204427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose regular static analysis should also show that the code is going to load those ten elements in any case, in which case it'd be also legal.
< 1352746578 974175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the example is   void fadd(double a[static restrict 10], const double b[static restrict 10]) { int i; for (i = 0; i < 10; i++) { if (a[i] < 0.0) return; a[i] += b[i]; } return; }
< 1352746579 564792 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wait, what does the static keyword do in that position?
< 1352746617 182852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess in that case without static you couldn't preload all the elements, just in case a didn't have that many elements but there was a -1.0 before it ended.
< 1352746630 61416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "If the keyword static also appears within the [ and ] of the array type derivation, then for each call to the function, the value of the corresponding actual argument shall provide access to the first element of an array with at least as many elements as specified by the size expression."
< 1352746646 38647 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to parse that
< 1352746701 678426 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so it means you say it must be at least that size?
< 1352746704 530985 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1352746705 90331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1352746708 887523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without static it would be legal to do  double a[5] = {1, 2, 3, 4, -1}; double b[10] = {1, 2, 3, 4}; fadd(a, b);  since the function actually only accesses up to a[4] and b[3].
< 1352746725 971336 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :does GCC do anything with this info btw?
< 1352746728 999626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then the optimizer couldn't assume there are always at least 10 elements and reorder the accesses.
< 1352746732 562346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea.
< 1352746742 304897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I'll try the example they give in the rationale. :p
< 1352746753 739003 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1352746839 826354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, it seems to generate identical code with or without static. :/
< 1352746873 277619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can imagine it being useful e.g. with vector instructions that load a bunch of data at once
< 1352746875 961439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The loop is fully unrolled, but there's that a[i] < 0 test before each access.
< 1352746898 574304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, this could've been vectorized, probably.
< 1352746922 482463 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit, I can't get the driver signing check disabling to work
< 1352746931 831900 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well I guess I will have to use that crazy thing
< 1352746933 340918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though you'd also need to guarantee 16-byte alignment somehow for movapd to be legal.
< 1352746943 725846 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, to what degree do you actually have to deal with the ads and such?
< 1352746999 56678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not much. The settings page has some ads at bottom and left, which you'll need to see when twiddling them.
< 1352747009 41628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing it from PS3 mode to Xbox360 emulation, for example.
< 1352747018 835679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not going to splatter them all over the screen or anything.
< 1352747042 581610 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also installs a permanent tray icon for the settings.
< 1352747055 987447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Possibly that's configurable; I haven't bothered since it ends up in the hidden tray icons.)
< 1352747058 488239 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, permanent?
< 1352747059 335763 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch
< 1352747065 908066 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anything else?
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< 1352747071 553499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c99 still doesn't have alignment qualifiers does it?
< 1352747078 761035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's there even without the controller connected; it's that permanent.
< 1352747079 324323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe c11 does?
< 1352747087 213533 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid
< 1352747113 353676 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C11 does
< 1352747117 24368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: C11 has some alignment specifiers, yes.
< 1352747135 589503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :alignment-specifier: _Alignas ( type-name ) | _Alignas ( constant-expression ).
< 1352747204 491075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you can have  int32_t _Alignas (16) sse_friendly_array[8];  or something, perhaps.
< 1352747223 870781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the famous king Alignas
< 1352747243 803521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or  int _Alignas (int) x;  for the Deparment of Redundancy Department use case.
< 1352747253 431026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int _Alignas(char)
< 1352747291 99337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Alignas (type) is equivalent to _Alignas (_Alignof (type)).
< 1352747363 585813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course  void *aligned_alloc(size_t alignment, size_t size);  is there for the dynamic folks.
< 1352747706 332573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have to say that C11  _Generic(x, int: fooi, double: foof)(x)  is slightly prettier than the existing GCC workaround  __builtin_choose_expr(__builtin_types_compatible_p(__typeof__(x), int), fooi, foof)(x)  -- okay, the whole idea is a bit iffy, but still.
< 1352747773 510113 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should just put full-on C++ templates in
< 1352747842 342011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type-generic math library! 
< 1352747888 913713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even does complexities.
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< 1352748222 624383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it doesn't appear "motioninjoy" exports all axes to the OS?
< 1352748235 675183 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the sixaxis stuff and what not
< 1352748324 959723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The tilts should be there, in PS3 mode.
< 1352748345 609605 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay it seems it overlaps some axies then
< 1352748348 979339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way they improve C are much difference to the ways I think they should be done.
< 1352748363 465674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: left-right tilt as Rz and front-back tilt as Slider by default, apparently.
< 1352748364 65627 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it doesn't track L2 and R2 separately either it appears
< 1352748388 723253 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, front-back seems to default to Rx for me
< 1352748392 351389 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems weird
< 1352748409 487155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be right-stick x, according to this list. Unless I've customized these options.
< 1352748417 914567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so is there any reason to use [*] in your prototype, rather than just using the full size expression?
< 1352748418 665113 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah it is that as well
< 1352748424 125573 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, basically I have overlap
< 1352748435 799825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the size expression depends on stuff local to the file where the function is defined
< 1352748437 777838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And right, L2/R2 seem to go by default into z+ z-, I don't know how that works.
< 1352748440 139771 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things I think GNU are going the better job, such as zero-length arrays, long long in C89, and some (but not all) of their other ideas.
< 1352748448 922843 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah
< 1352748453 527371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the custom profile thing could be used to make it more sensible.
< 1352748458 823407 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, should be a separate axis for each?
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< 1352748467 308497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like it'd make more sense, yes.
< 1352748486 202162 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume windows supports that, since it handles my flight joystick just fine
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< 1352748496 285640 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that shows up as 11 axes and 30+ buttons
< 1352748513 51522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, it could just be a deficiency in the driver.
< 1352748519 506476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I haven't ever used the tilts for anything.)
< 1352748523 564831 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1352748540 148732 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like separate axes for the triggers though
< 1352748587 674462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The custom profile axis-dropdown has a "Dial" that doesn't seem to be used for anything in PS3 mode, you could use that for the other trigger.
< 1352748595 275222 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352748613 572213 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, linux reports the pressure from each of the buttons too in jstest
< 1352748621 755714 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be mapped to digital values here
< 1352748634 50118 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Axes:  0:     0  1:     0  2:     0  3:     0  4:-32767  5:-32767  6:-32767  7:-32767  8:-32767  9:-32767 10:-32767 11:-32767 12:-32767 13:-32767 14:-32767 15:-32767 16:-32767 17:-32767 18:-32767 19:-32767 20:-32767 21:-32767 22:-32767 23:-32767 24:-32767 25:-32767 26:-32767 27:-32767 Buttons:  0:off  1:off  2:off  3:off  4:off  5:off  6:off  7:off  8:off  9:off 10:off 11:off 12:off 13:off 14:off 15:off
< 1352748634 195878 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : 16:off 17:off 18:off
< 1352748650 678049 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :does everything have an analogue sensor on this thing?
< 1352748657 478000 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from start and select
< 1352748668 697722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yeah, I don't quite know how that work. The custom-profile dropdowns let you select either a button or a pressure-sensitive button, but I don't know how they appear.
< 1352748671 365494 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the logo
< 1352748676 109581 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1352748681 680013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think R3 and L3 have pressure-sensitivity either.
< 1352748699 364979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's about it for the exceptions.
< 1352748705 986346 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, actually where is the L3/R3?
< 1352748714 865968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clicking down the left or right stick.
< 1352748724 274645 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352748725 202167 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352748730 898538 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sound digital
< 1352748750 34016 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but yeah this thing exports too few axes
< 1352748814 969296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't they just use MIDI?
< 1352748819 350467 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1352748867 151972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It might be partially so that Windows games don't get all confused. But I agree that the custom mode should let you just have N axes, one for each pressure-sensitive button if you like.
< 1352748959 21686 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why does the controller only work with the USB3 port under windows...?
< 1352748960 868510 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1352748979 880643 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the only free one so I used that, now I tried to move it but it won't work there
< 1352748995 490921 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1352748998 612510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some kind of a thing when it comes to changing ports.
< 1352749029 52457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may need to jump through an extra hoop, rerun something or whatnot.
< 1352749081 93176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You could argue that it's better to use foo[*] since that's how it is interpreted, and if you try to use foo[3*legubniate(n,i,read_pin("G1"))+(zorked((struct p){1,2})?4:8)] in the header file for documentationary reasons, it'll just get out of sync and mislead, since nothing checks. But it's a rather weak justification. Well, except maybe if the expression really looks like *that*.
< 1352749128 651639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I'd prefer (int n, foo[n][n]) over (int n, foo[*][*]).
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< 1352749198 746060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352749207 219937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who prefer [*] will probably also advocate not putting parameter names in prototypes.
< 1352749212 620187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the "using a static function to compute the size" case is compelling, though
< 1352749230 443403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since int f(int, int, int, int, int, int) is clearly superior.)
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< 1352750180 662015 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, but everything's an int, so you don't need the prototype at all because the compiler can guess it!
< 1352750190 375319 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming you're some kind of pre-ANSI freakazoid)
< 1352750402 563897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you want to use [*] or [n] in the prototype to affect optimization at the caller?
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< 1352750713 550949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds unlikely, since the standard says you must treat [n] in a prototype as if it were replaced by [*], and can't e.g. assume it will be [n] for the function definition.
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< 1352751299 856441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it allowed then? Does it have something to do with macros?
< 1352751400 159526 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which do you think is better (if either; maybe you think both are horrible), OkCupid or Internet Quiz Engine? They have many similar features but also differences; each has some things the other lacks.
< 1352751439 866919 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you been discussing this continuously for the last 7 hours?
< 1352751466 556956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. But, have you been? I doubt it.
< 1352751542 586488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to I stop the mouse wheel from moving?
< 1352751558 87302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why the non-[*] version is allowed; but it could be just for people who think it's clearer code that way, like the mentioned parameter names for functions that are also kind of ignored.
< 1352751559 815830 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just stop spinning it
< 1352751570 279758 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sometimes I accidentally touch it.
< 1352751606 435302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Perhaps for automatic documentation generators?
< 1352751629 751700 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although use with macros could be another reason.
< 1352752054 590360 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm about to have a long running Python script communicate with a PHP script
< 1352752056 312288 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :God help me
< 1352752084 240494 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than only having a PHP script, I guess
< 1352752130 669067 :atriq!~nathan@84.13.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly the obvious solution is to use C# as an intermediary
< 1352752142 666874 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I could figure out web.py and hope it works on the machine in question
< 1352752167 488704 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that might not even work, I can't use AJAX to communicate with a different server than the page is hosted from, right?
< 1352752174 32176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FILE SELECTION = SINGLE PLAYER | CUSTOM DATA | RENTAL | RANDOM | RANDOM RENTAL | DUPLICATE RANDOM | DUPLICATE RANDOM RENTAL | DRAFT | BALANCED MARSEILLAIS DRAFT | AUCTION | RENTAL AUCTION
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< 1352752646 336765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, of course: you need [*] in order to have prototypes with no parameter names, since you can't say [n] if you don't name n.
< 1352752666 113585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A function prototype can have parameters that have variable length array types (§6.7.5.2) using a special syntax as in  int minimum(int, int[*][*]);  This is consistent with other C prototypes where the name of the parameter need not be specified." (C99 Rationale.)
< 1352752693 375712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: O, yes, otherwise n might be a constant, I guess; that part makes sense at least.
< 1352752714 341933 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh
< 1352752798 220664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there was also "considerable debate" about the lexical ordering rules, because currently you can write   void f(double a[*][*], int n); void f(a, n) int n; double a[n][n]; { ... }   using the "old-style" function definition, but you can't write a modern definition with a parameter type list, because   void f(double a[n][n], int n)   is erroneous.
< 1352752836 466065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the end they decided extending the scope of that n to the start of the parameter list would have not been in the "Spirit of C", and they left it as it is.
< 1352752872 435002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is an unforeseen side effect of Standard C prototype syntax."
< 1352752918 884036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also give the workaround:  void f(double *ap, int n) { double (*a)[n] = (double (*)[n])ap; ... }
< 1352752949 866590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then you can go ahead and use a[1][2] just like the old-style definition.)
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< 1352755023 357642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What option do you want for pokemon battle game?
< 1352755056 876131 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about an actual game, or that pokemon battle programming language idea?
< 1352755112 690963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean hypothetically an actual game.
< 1352755138 611789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a list of various idea of options which can be available.
< 1352755145 628386 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, I think cool weather features could be fun
< 1352755155 679503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I agree; what weather features?
< 1352755164 726494 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't really know
< 1352755177 65588 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something more than just "it's gonna rain for the next five turns" though
< 1352755188 43656 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe with temperature
< 1352755189 794888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean rule options.
< 1352755205 226426 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and humidity
< 1352755265 822944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have options for time controls, team restrictions, finance, backgammon doubling cube, bag items, and various others.
< 1352755299 825348 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, cool
< 1352755328 545502 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the backgammon doubling cube should be a universal feature that every computer game should allow
< 1352755351 485059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it would work with every game
< 1352755361 529140 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, probably not
< 1352755536 494552 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/pokemon_rule.txt
< 1352755622 774356 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ALL UPPERCASE?
< 1352755656 398425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I want to. Only the comments will be not all uppercase.
< 1352755711 408773 :atriq!~nathan@84.13.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"BANNED POKEMON [POKEMON]"?
< 1352755739 459287 :atriq!~nathan@84.13.80.128 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or [BLACKLIST | WHITELIST] [POKEMON]
< 1352755771 115542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may be done using "SPECIES DATABASE" rule.
< 1352755790 760915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : in that case, I think cool weather features could be fun ← oh no you don't DARE
< 1352755793 688777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rage rage rage
< 1352755804 199022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously please no
< 1352755807 190936 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1352755828 1630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: I'm a competitive Pokémon player
< 1352755829 455989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can list weather anyways but you would be able to turn it off if you don't want weather, anyways.
< 1352755834 206549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and weather has completely ruined the metagame
< 1352755846 147997 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't tell me you've secretly been working on a nintendo ds pokemon game with barometer included
< 1352755850 870667 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1352755862 305509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, but I mean the existing weather conditions (especially rain) are completely broken
< 1352755869 757951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they made them too good and too easy to set up
< 1352755871 68597 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is, if you make up your own pokemon game, I don't think metagame matters that much
< 1352755873 871474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's lead to the game being no fun as a result
< 1352755881 365007 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you are very good at advertising
< 1352755883 703371 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, so you would turn off the weather entirely in the server option if you want to.
< 1352755896 37733 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, in fact some people play with that rule (it's called Clear Skies)
< 1352755901 462617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the problem is, the default settings are more popular
< 1352755906 346976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have ten thousand different sets of options
< 1352755909 382368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody will be able to find a game
< 1352755976 53232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine chess where each player has their own personal rules for both sides of the board
< 1352755978 242870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no games would ever happen
< 1352755998 797341 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weeeeeeeell
< 1352756016 464725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think chess variants actually has a game which is like that.
< 1352756033 106274 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1352756048 414151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that is not relevant anyways. It would be the separate program, which the setting are configured by server, and it may have presets, too.
< 1352756061 478260 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just gave me an idea for a chess variant
< 1352756082 190366 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something stratego-like: you don't know what rules your opponent is playing by
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< 1352756115 501648 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see where his pieces are but not what pieces they are, so you "learn" about his rules and pieces by watching his moves
< 1352756135 150464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Perhaps, Chess with Different Armies, but you don't know what army has been selected by your opponent but you can narrow the possibilities?
< 1352756138 894916 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure I saw that game somewhere actually
< 1352756149 661016 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was more like stratego, a cold war themed game
< 1352756149 806524 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that
< 1352756166 846684 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it came with a book where you could note down what you understood about the enemy forces
< 1352756180 563888 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i keep forgetting you're a competitive pokémon player but that's actually neat
< 1352756183 353164 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pieces placement should be somewhat arbitrary, otherwise you could narrow it down too much
< 1352756183 535725 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because one of their pieces is a "spy" that can move in weird ways while pretending to be something else
< 1352756214 149166 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance you shouldn't be able to know that all his pieces are shogi-like just because you've identified one gold general
< 1352756219 701243 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Yes it could be made like that, I guess.
< 1352756230 136370 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/2961/confusion-espionage-and-deception-in-the-cold-war found it.
< 1352756238 49034 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1352756264 575854 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a review on youtube where the guy explains most of it.
< 1352756359 995446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If you don't like weather, so if there is a rule option to disable weather, but what other rule option would you prefer? Is backgammon doubling cube OK?
< 1352756370 954495 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes it is
< 1352756377 275453 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :backgammon doubling cube is ALWAYS ok
< 1352756389 323345 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'm not sure what it would mean here
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< 1352756406 414296 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you count points? the number of pokemon that have been taken out?
< 1352756425 892113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Battles won per match.
< 1352756454 430417 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, since ais523 is Pokemon player, I ask them too.
< 1352756475 602159 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your Blissey has used all its Rests and doesn't have much health left... quitte ou double?"
< 1352756493 290689 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OK, quitte." *shoot blissey in the back*
< 1352757208 573468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the tiebreakers normally used are Pokémon remaining, total HP remaining
< 1352757248 287529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most obvious way to use the doubling cube, though, would be to give 1 point for a win, 0 for a loss, first to 7
< 1352757251 398761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the doubling cube doubling as normal
< 1352757262 247286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and you can't use it if you're 5-6 down
< 1352757269 502038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is the normal tournament backgammon rules
< 1352757294 557934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is the "MATCH POINTS" option, set it to 7. To disallow use when a player has 6 points, you can enable doubling cube with Crawford rule.
< 1352757296 357414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it works in any 2-player zero-sum game where "win", "loss", possibly "draw" are the only outcomes
< 1352757308 253364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yep, I'm saying that that's the sensible way to use doubling cube with Pokémon
< 1352757331 782453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: also Blissey never runs Rest, it has Softboiled and Aromatherapy
< 1352757342 24368 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :softboiled, right
< 1352757344 162111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it wouldn't be an /awful/ user of Rest, but it has better
< 1352757356 774896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another rule is ties stand, which is my preference. I have, however, added the other options too.
< 1352757384 715572 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm what about doubling Rest with Sleep talk
< 1352757387 521965 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1352757388 765377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's quite a complicated set of tiebreaks in Pokémon, that are used in single elimination tournaments
< 1352757393 585473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-KO clause used to be really important, though
< 1352757406 985384 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't like tie breakers
< 1352757410 146272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: that was good on some mons in gen 4
< 1352757430 327595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: well the most important is that if you use a self-destructing move when there's 1 mon each, or destiny bond (which is similar), you lose
< 1352757436 213184 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well I don't really want to know about gen 5
< 1352757448 292775 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :three of the legendary pokemons look like Zelda characters
< 1352757470 385768 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, I don't like that particular tie breaker either
< 1352757494 441265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-ko clause makes a big difference and is pretty important
< 1352757514 288161 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't see anything wrong with ties
< 1352757519 755559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise things like custap wobbuffet (which isn't currently legal because there's no way to get the custap berry) would be really good
< 1352757524 471746 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they should be part of the game
< 1352757527 801431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more than they are anyway, I think
< 1352757538 440703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it is my preference for both that and Pokemon card, where the attacker loses and if not due to an attack then ties stand.
< 1352757540 668778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's more that it can be quite easy to force a tie even when you're clearly losing
< 1352757545 435982 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not familiar with english names for berries, sorry
< 1352757559 914202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: the one that makes you always act first if on low health
< 1352757565 644183 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1352757587 877150 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean there's no way to get the custap berry, then?
< 1352757600 873165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that there's no way to get the custap berry
< 1352757605 341209 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1352757616 601712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else could I mean?
< 1352757638 502977 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well it's more that it can be quite easy to force a tie even when you're clearly losing  << which basically means you are not that clearly losing
< 1352757718 19362 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played competitive pokemon nearly enough to really have an opinion on this, but the same argument could be used against stalemate in chess, or against any other form of tie in any other game
< 1352757851 755501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in chess, leaving your opponent an opportunity to stalemate themselves is considered a mistake
< 1352758074 62083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the alternative makes your opponent win.
< 1352758161 809516 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just saying that "clearly winning" depends on the rules, and "this rule is unfair because it allows for a tie in a situation where I was clearly winning" doesn't really make any sense in itself
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< 1352758774 772075 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is there a tie-breaking rule in the TCG? is that a somewhat new addition?
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< 1352759640 737267 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gold plated optical. http://dx.com/p/gold-plated-digital-audio-optical-fiber-toslink-cable-black-150cm-135805?item=35
< 1352759675 671691 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I haven't read the whole discussion yet so please excuse me if I say soething that has already been said, but I disagree with your iota-based example at http://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:Smjg
< 1352759700 693193 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my sense it was implied that turing-completeness was related to the means of output
< 1352759731 978781 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the language you describe is clearly not turing-complete regarding the " output
< 1352759762 81493 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because all iota programs are semantically equivalent with regards to that output)
< 1352759827 462219 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's what Oerjan answered
< 1352760119 26703 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352760241 280067 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the local brick & mortar computer store has really got their act together wrt hobby electronics
< 1352760258 928464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a bunch of different sorts of arduinos, robot parts, raspberry pi kit, tools, etc
< 1352760265 827853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bought a servo
< 1352760398 371537 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I was thinking about a joke language that would be an extension to deadfish and that you might like
< 1352760427 56071 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go on?
< 1352760431 906125 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first it is to be noted that it's way more computationally powerful that deadfish, because instead of a single accumulator it has A WHOLE STACK
< 1352760441 835870 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for that reason it would be called Homestack
< 1352760448 543463 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1352760450 967445 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pun on the comic?
< 1352760456 122710 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stack can only host up to four elements
< 1352760467 170886 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to push a fifth result in the bottom element being discarded
< 1352760485 358427 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the joke
< 1352760497 735672 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no joke
< 1352760501 594696 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352760524 82837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"punchline? there is no punchline"
< 1352760550 77519 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that, keeping with the theme of people being bad at inventing names for derivative languages, it should be called a) "DeadStack" or b) "StackFish"
< 1352760557 438011 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I learned that way of telling jokes from my father
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< 1352760589 629463 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stackfishdeadbrain
< 1352760591 369336 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recommend the latter because of the semi clever "stockfish" pun
< 1352760600 541571 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if it's a joke language
< 1352760604 841191 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::{
< 1352760607 872932 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fishstacks
< 1352760631 125208 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like fishsticks?
< 1352760647 405704 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm not a gay fish
< 1352760649 770686 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fishstacks is better
< 1352760709 812973 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write a spec for this language in 30 seconds
< 1352760720 260145 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a lot
< 1352760725 376961 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GO
< 1352760740 252098 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing as how I'm a wikitable-freak I'd have to save the 20 last seconds for format
< 1352760756 802983 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you set a timer and whatever you write in 30 seconds specifies your language, probably it'd be bad and nobody would understand it
< 1352760764 384422 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1352760772 824955 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I need to find a timer
< 1352760900 750220 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1352760914 639517 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my phone had a timer but I set it to 30 minutes instead
< 1352760922 355284 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it doesn't have seconds
< 1352760933 847560 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the extra time will improve the quality of your specification
< 1352760956 949893 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fishstacks is a deadfish derivative based on a stack the stack can only hold four elements when a fifth element is pushed the bottom element is kicked out and eventually printed out to the screen. The name was originally meant to be Hpmestack but it was suggested that DeafStack or StackFish would be a better name as it is a derivative but eventually atriq came up with Fishstakc the commands are i increment d decrement p push a ne
< 1352760957 135622 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :square top element.
< 1352760971 654665 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps bonghits will fix your language specification
< 1352761004 575760 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DeafStack "because it has no input"
< 1352761042 322699 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i';m glad that now i can use this language to write a program?
< 1352761077 498021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: In Pokemon Card, I think the standard tiebreaking rule is that if one player win one way, other player win two ways, the player winning two ways wins, otherwise you play the duel with the same decks but only one side card each. My rule is that number of ways you win and so on is irrelevant; attacker loses otherwise the tie stands.
< 1352761091 579284 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you can
< 1352761114 539845 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the fact that I did not think about including a pop function during those extended 30 seconds is regrettable
< 1352761176 942848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: What do you prefer for tiebreaking rule? Another rule I use with Pokemon Card is overmate.
< 1352761189 217988 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's overmate?
< 1352761220 631702 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Hm, I didn't know about the "winning in more ways" thing, but I'm familiar with the single-prize-card tiebreaking match thing
< 1352761293 145670 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was happening at "a ne\nsquare top element"
< 1352761322 94138 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overmate is my own rule. Normally you have overmate 0, and then add 1 for each extra side card you would pick up but you can't, add 1 if opponent's draw pile is empty, add 1 if your draw pile is empty, and add 1 if you won in two ways.
< 1352761363 268296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is an extra score you earn.
< 1352761367 190131 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I just had a weird déjà-vu feeling when you said that
< 1352761367 851217 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352761401 271758 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if the question was sincere I said "p push a new 0 s square top element"
< 1352761411 931483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: What I mentioned was the older rules; I don't know what the new rules say about such things.
< 1352761428 638204 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I haven't played in ages either
< 1352761436 423811 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so because you forgot about "pop", p is really just "set the accumulator to zero"
< 1352761476 476136 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's slightly more *cough* subtle that that
< 1352761478 997396 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some things about the newer rules, and actually I prefer the older rules. I also invented additional rules which are only available in Limited.
< 1352761525 564887 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i guess you have to p once at the start of your program at least
< 1352761609 242397 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well and the print function is different
< 1352761648 531925 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when "setting the accumulator to 0" you're actually putting the previous accumulator in the output queue
< 1352761670 22062 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(did I say "stack" before? :D)
< 1352761693 190657 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you have to call is
< 1352761701 565928 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DequeFish"....
< 1352761993 695923 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352762400 546283 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1352762400 694976 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1352762400 842929 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1352762401 4904 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1352762586 467544 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey nooodl, do you have a user account on the wiki so that I can give you the credits you deserve?
< 1352762594 936326 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :(
< 1352762641 270426 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey my timer just rang
< 1352762959 19096 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352762959 164846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352762959 165011 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352762959 165089 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352762959 165165 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352763345 60346 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing this should work? http://pastie.org/5368841
< 1352763359 9331 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of smart ass-y
< 1352763473 976690 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you get accum up to anything above 16 then square it
< 1352763496 901814 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's
< 1352763501 217298 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the classic deadfish issue"
< 1352763505 757180 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1352763517 972713 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how classic⇧
< 1352763519 648492 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Nooodl
< 1352763535 304734 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heading text
< 1352763618 790350 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you should write something on my user page
< 1352763631 720703 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not user talk. user)
< 1352763632 528217 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what do i write
< 1352763654 964208 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about heading text clearly
< 1352763684 628424 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352763720 828464 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i wrote something
< 1352763724 483037 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :refresh your userpage
< 1352763727 42952 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and be amazed???
< 1352763741 255408 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good edit
< 1352763759 511378 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good edit message
< 1352763881 922296 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User:Monqy&action=history http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User:Nooodl&action=history
< 1352764019 943027 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I'm not sure your implementation works properly with output, but I have never seen that language before so I can't really tell
< 1352764234 771968 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1352766761 559865 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-80-128.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1352767474 681739 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1352769253 889636 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352769765 583743 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's only one place that something's being deployed, it's fine to use features specific to that environment, right?
< 1352769768 995762 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. named pipes)
< 1352769807 575535 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends on a lot of factors, don't you think?  like whether whoever you're deploying it for might want to spread out later, or whether you're being paid enough to care
< 1352770649 27179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1352770657 553057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also named pipes are supported by most operating systems
< 1352770772 521914 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I should be using local sockets, not sure if that's easier or not :/
< 1352770786 134079 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, PHP page acts as a client and long running Python script acts as a server
< 1352770796 692545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP: not even once
< 1352770868 489057 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1352770907 840773 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352771219 134348 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could write the client in a language other than the worst language ever
< 1352771281 480122 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All it's going to do is serve the data to an AJAX call
< 1352771385 407501 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, JSONP is a thing that exists that I could use
< 1352771392 510000 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I'd have to learn some sort of ... hm
< 1352771407 884799 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-236-110.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1352771677 944286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not serve it from the python process
< 1352771715 221957 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'd have to do JSONPish stuff
< 1352771720 286909 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I guess I can do
< 1352771728 523781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you
< 1352771730 277702 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I can run a Python process on this server to do web stuff
< 1352771730 479351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that follow
< 1352771749 353176 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm still using some other server for most of the web stuff
< 1352771760 142170 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not going to start messing with that, it's not really under my control
< 1352771769 251555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you are on some kind of shared hosting and you have mod_php and not mod_wsgi or mod_fastcgi
< 1352771778 199687 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks
< 1352771790 588716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't see what this has to do with JSONP
< 1352771797 400874 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Sgeo you finished fine structure right
< 1352771801 786106 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes
< 1352771806 580473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it because you would have to host it on a different domain
< 1352771809 114716 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352771815 408524 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about mod_wsgi or mod_fastcgi
< 1352771821 448094 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those could be installed, I guess
< 1352771826 602194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott finish fine structure you knob
< 1352771826 954202 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1352771828 4400 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea
< 1352771836 197261 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess what i'm saying is, your frontend web server (apache or whatever) knows how to talk to PHP, but not Python?
< 1352771837 583944 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo finish ds9 you knob
< 1352771837 806151 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be on a different port
< 1352771837 951866 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1352771838 260619 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1352771858 708354 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I have no idea if it knows how to talk to a long running Python process
< 1352771859 800551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well typically web apps are configured with a frontend server proxying to one or more application server processes
< 1352771891 764770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proxying can be literally HTTP proxying over localhost, or it could be FastCGI protocol, or WSGI which is a python-spceific thing I don't know much about
< 1352772046 822052 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These days, FastCGI is never used directly. Just like mod_python, it is only used for the deployment of WSGI applications."
< 1352772058 572394 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really just want to do a two second thing, why can't I just FastCGI directly
< 1352772065 466494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really sure what that means "never used directly"
< 1352772078 616341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably lies
< 1352772100 125918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true that whatever's on the other end that parses the fastcgi requests will probably go through WSGI
< 1352772106 400740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because most python web app frameworks are built around WSGI
< 1352772135 492494 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:00:58 < Sgeo> I really just want to do a two second thing, why can't I just FastCGI directly
< 1352772141 755004 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's easier to do wsgi
< 1352772147 436171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at work we are using FastCGI because nginx's native wsgi support seemed pretty half-baked
< 1352772157 455812 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it really that bad?
< 1352772158 294970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because we know about fastcgi and have used it before
< 1352772172 508318 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uwsgi_pass etc
< 1352772196 546941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the extent of it is that I went to http://wiki.nginx.org/NgxWSGIModule and observed "From LoONeYChIKuN: I was able to successfully get this to compile on 0.8.30 and 0.7.64 using this patch." and "From JacobSingh: I tested this against 0.6.23 and it didn't compile."
< 1352772197 858307 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could easily just take this code snippit on this page and adapt it to my needs
< 1352772208 831092 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that difficult
< 1352772291 570185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.zacharyvoase.com/2010/03/05/django-uwsgi-nginx/ looks pretty complicated compared to "apt-get install nginx python-flup"
< 1352772313 760287 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's mostly because it starting from compiling freaking nginx
< 1352772326 830717 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-ing
< 1352772354 168588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well why does it seem that everyone who wants to use nginx with wsgi has to compile it from scratch with weird patches etc
< 1352772368 755172 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea
< 1352772371 97960 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't
< 1352772379 487764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't do in-depth research, but this pattern seemed to bode poorly
< 1352772383 304904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you do
< 1352772429 816452 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pacman -S nginx; yaourt -S uwsgi
< 1352772444 816670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent a while puzzling through this overly-simple generate Core before realizing that I had main = return ()
< 1352772455 727915 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Granted that second command does actually compile the thing but it's automatic. Think Gentoo except better
< 1352772507 217790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1352772534 309753 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it also creates the init script
< 1352772549 282382 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which will probably break in the next update due to systemd but hey)
< 1352772576 726142 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1352772604 889509 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at any rate, I can now get a WSGI app to magically appear in a location by putting two or three lines in the respective place in nginx's configuration
< 1352772610 873060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1352772621 996070 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I wouldn't run Arch on a server though
< 1352772630 618611 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, on a server that has some sort of reliability requirement
< 1352772630 793166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you have to run some separate uwsgi process or does nginx launch that
< 1352772649 111019 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have to run uwsgid
< 1352772667 44472 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's working
< 1352772669 253434 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But setting that up is a one-time thing (just like any other daemon)
< 1352772676 720985 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it can run multiple apps
< 1352772679 821338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1352772731 871043 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the easiest way I've been able to figure out how to run Python web stuff under nginx
< 1352772738 579110 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Least configuration per app
< 1352772744 755309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, cool
< 1352772747 609743 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the info :)
< 1352772841 637483 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ENGINE Serving on 127.0.0.1:8080
< 1352772847 846825 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(With CherryPy)
< 1352772861 23155 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet I can't access it from my browser
< 1352772871 794149 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wondering if need to config to make it externally visible
< 1352772936 218336 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well is it running on the same machine as your browser?
< 1352772985 214145 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1352772999 957037 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's why then
< 1352773007 21309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's listening on the interface with IP 127.0.0.1
< 1352773738 88329 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I need to find the exact IP of the server?
< 1352773879 340464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your computer is broadcasting an IP address!
< 1352773894 329205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to listen on all interfaces you can probably say ":8080" or "0.0.0.0:8080" on the command line
< 1352773899 252798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what exactly you did to invoke cherrypy
< 1352773902 6919 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1352773979 76543 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found a configuration thing
< 1352773993 398555 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still not working
< 1352774079 642090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :miss...
< 1352774094 575325 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352774106 967234 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up, I'll do the PHP thing
< 1352774111 631208 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@65-128-149-29.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352774274 246616 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-149-29.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1352774670 693364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo
< 1352774695 81305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like saying school is too hard, so you're going to drop out and smoke crack under a bridge
< 1352774729 834073 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of have a harsh deadline right now, so don't really care
< 1352774741 737671 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Because I procrastinated all weekend)
< 1352774824 812177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is benchmarking hard? :-(
< 1352775225 832904 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just thinking, they could try to use the gate's technology to clone people
< 1352775238 367393 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I watch this episode and what does McKay do?
< 1352775619 900837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.inc.com/magazine/20110201/in-norway-start-ups-say-ja-to-socialism.html
< 1352775823 829943 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1352776048 44452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you say that the abbreviation of plural "file descriptors" is "fds", "FDs", "fd's", or "FD's"
< 1352776114 708408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fds" or "FDs".
< 1352776127 88522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is on the anti-apostrophe-pluralization committee.
< 1352776183 853077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i gather it is only correct in limited cases
< 1352776186 509008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like single letters
< 1352776228 412682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even like it in those limited cases.
< 1352776238 360115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may be an overreaction.
< 1352776258 794593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in the case of a single letter I'm fine with it if you put apostrophes on both sides of the letter. :-)
< 1352776815 756703 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well in the case of a single letter I'm fine with putting apostrophes on both sides of the letter if you put s's on both sides too
< 1352776831 624834 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s's's
< 1352776837 811532 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the plural of 'o' is 'ꙮ'
< 1352776869 495219 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s'probably something wrong with encoding but I see that as "the plural of 'round' is 'square'"
< 1352776876 714090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc never misses an opportunity to ꙮ.
< 1352776887 243207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: I think that's just because you're racist or something.
< 1352776889 558738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. :-(
< 1352776900 128020 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what!
< 1352776907 938177 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't anyone warn me before
< 1352776926 139218 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I had the right to know if I was racist
< 1352776949 784505 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder what "or something" might be, though
< 1352777012 543622 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, hasn't anyone come up with "2-dimensional Thue" yet?
< 1352777019 203637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 'CYRILLIC LETTER MULTIOCULAR O' (U+A66E)
< 1352777041 85219 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :multio? you mean like 8?
< 1352777057 646439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiocular_O
< 1352777087 149135 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's just disturbing
< 1352777087 712550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it bothers me that the unicode reference glyph has 7 eyes, and the only primary source for the character I could locate has 10 eyes
< 1352777108 540357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: I spent a long time tracking down the origin of this character with help from various people on IRC and such
< 1352777122 604616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :had to find a copy of a soviet era paleography textbook on russian rapidshare
< 1352777230 683092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no,  "Proposal to encode additional Cyrillic characters in the BMP of the UCS" is now a 404
< 1352777253 908288 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imageshack.us/scaled/landing/809/capturedcran20121113042.png
< 1352777282 927866 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like they *want* me not to see it
< 1352777283 275648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352777286 107994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :get some better fonts
< 1352777301 787014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that article has a picture though
< 1352777308 415406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cyrillic_letter_Multiocular_O.png
< 1352777310 933328 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ugly one, yes
< 1352777323 114638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮꙮ
< 1352777332 895132 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that 8 of them
< 1352777343 679835 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you think that might be dangerous?
< 1352777495 169394 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well see you tomorrow
< 1352777513 622654 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was supposed to be a reference to discworld btw)
< 1352777519 486230 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen
< 1352777640 846039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently most hands in texas hold-'em are not worth playing
< 1352777656 526740 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can bet on anything~
< 1352777676 516047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean
< 1352777971 365409 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-18.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352778167 519736 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :Sssateneth
< 1352778211 136881 :Sssateneth!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1352780042 710058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, yes, you get only two cards so it is difficult to know right away if it is best to play; however there is other things such as your current score, position, current bet, various other things to decide if it is worth playing or not; the probabilities are just one factor of many. But if you have two aces and no flop cards yet, you should probably play.
< 1352780097 47551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have two aces, the flop cards two of them are aces, and the third is 2 to 9, then you should definitely play.
< 1352780120 527971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe not 2 to 9, maybe 6 to 9.
< 1352780210 860852 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think I am wrong.
< 1352780217 413608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But nevertheless you should probably play.
< 1352780263 576457 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1352780305 474461 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to hurt whoever designed the Python version of the PubNub API.
< 1352780383 30211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: What does that have to do with Clojure?
< 1352780438 250245 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This project I'm working on that involves Python and PHP and PubNub is more important than the little Clojure project I have going. Does that count as having something to do with Clojure?
< 1352780585 101577 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :subscribe is blocking. I want the event loop to be separate from subscribe
< 1352780613 702846 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I think this is a good example of that article you linked, an advantage of node.js being that people make interoperable APIs
< 1352780828 148591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352780832 683609 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And importantly, things other than the event loop wouldn't block *glare*
< 1352780860 641382 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to subscribe to an indeterminate number of channels, not just one. I don't think Python threads are lightweight]
< 1352780909 183066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :python threads are a disaster
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< 1352780938 441018 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1352780950 366362 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not using them for parallel processing, just using them to get around the blocking API
< 1352780996 42216 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's blocking because of a while True: not because of some C stuff.
< 1352781019 241751 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, are they a disaster in a way other than the GIL, because I don't see how the GIL would hurt my use-case
< 1352781198 133767 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352781855 336070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made some more rules of Pokemon game
< 1352781856 880252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVOLUTION DURING MATCH = PREVENT | DISQUALIFY | KNOCK OUT | DELETE | DELAY | ALLOW | ITEMS ONLY
< 1352781870 661903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :INVALID TARGET CORRECTION = AUTO SAME SIDE | AUTO ANY SIDE | MISS | PROMPT | USER FAINTS | LOSE BATTLE | DISQUALIFY
< 1352781881 522411 :lightquake!lightquake@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352781900 667849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DISQUALIFY IF TEAM BECOMES INVALID DURING MATCH = NO | YES | ONLY BETWEEN BATTLES | ONLY BEFORE BATTLES AND IGNORING COMPUTER | DELETE VIOLATIONS | DELETE VIOLATIONS BETWEEN BATTLES
< 1352781912 39049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPEED TIE BREAKER 1 = SIMULTANEOUS | RANDOM | BID | HIGHER LEVEL | LOWER LEVEL | TYPE DISADVANTAGE | DAMAGE | ALTERNATION | COMMAND ENTRY TIME
< 1352781938 991028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SURRENDER COMMAND = BATTLE | MATCH
< 1352781950 482782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNAG OPPONENT'S POKEMON = NO | YES | ANTICIPATED BLOCK | ANTICIPATED EVADE | ANTICIPATED BLOCK AND EVADE
< 1352782006 352580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DELETED POKEMON GO TO OPPONENT'S COMPUTER = NO | YES
< 1352782040 657147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you think of such things as this?
< 1352782089 473707 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really that into pokemon
< 1352782098 597939 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or card-collecting games in general
< 1352782111 516547 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, who wants some old mtg cards?
< 1352782136 32524 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have them for 8 bucks shipping included
< 1352782165 340797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want any; I only play Limited.
< 1352782690 555262 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1352783517 658927 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=477454
< 1352783535 673799 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An argument about whether or not it's a horrific thing that there's an insult in the code
< 1352783537 782004 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352783547 649733 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's agreed that it's bad, but not agreed if it's urgently bad
< 1352784184 601232 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1352784311 320662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't even spell his name right
< 1352784336 479183 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-18.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1352784372 986701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I wrote a "impossible physics list", among other things it includes smaller atoms and universes where thirteen is not prime.
< 1352784481 127737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :smaller than what?
< 1352784568 298032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smaller than hydrogen atoms.
< 1352784638 251533 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the nuclear forces were stronger?
< 1352784799 300456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is based on I read a impossible physics book, which includes such things as invisibility, antimatter, starships, death star, and a few things, grouped into class I to class III impossibility.
< 1352785071 265561 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my list I also included: making time go sideways, subjuctive television, Pokemon, dreams that it is impossible to wake up, anti-logic zones, people with mirrored molecules, ...
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< 1352805144 809832 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is becoming one of the most ridiculously overkill brainfuck interpreters ever
< 1352805280 380643 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1352805283 684905 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs more comonads
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< 1352816436 755638 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fueue is a ridiculous language
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< 1352823788 786280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, that was a surprisingly thoughtful scam email
< 1352823797 220744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thought behind it was that it actually identified my mail provider correctly
< 1352823802 647893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, it could have done that from the address
< 1352824344 288442 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, in your implementations of Fueue, what was the divide by zero behaviour?
< 1352824397 862404 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I remember asking you a few times, and since you said it was unspecified, I guess I must have let it for Ocaml to raise its appropriate exception
< 1352824400 105664 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me see
< 1352824463 938053 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait I had two implementations
< 1352824479 447900 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/desktop/ocaml stephan$ gcc -o fueue fueue.c
< 1352824479 778573 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/desktop/ocaml stephan$ ./fueue '/ 5 0'
< 1352824480 128127 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating point exception
< 1352824515 159628 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks
< 1352824523 347138 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/desktop/ocaml stephan$ ocamlc -o fueue fueue.ml
< 1352824523 594826 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~/desktop/ocaml stephan$ ./fueue '/ 5 0'
< 1352824523 771415 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fatal error: exception Division_by_zero
< 1352824543 855331 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to do my version, except better, this time
< 1352824557 425388 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the ocaml one clearly raise Division_by_zero when doing the division
< 1352824568 717517 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure when the Floating point exception occurs in the C one, though
< 1352824573 143585 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're welcome :)
< 1352824677 418276 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :./fueuec '/ 129 2 ~ H'
< 1352824677 604231 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@
< 1352824687 927246 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, so floating point only seem to occur with 0
< 1352824710 468628 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good, I think that's what I meant
< 1352824740 445423 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352824755 252559 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me know when you're done
< 1352824779 82835 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably never
< 1352825056 515044 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm i'm thinking up quite the language here!
< 1352825056 863040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1352825060 639230 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh
< 1352825127 287569 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's the deal: befunge, on an infinite-D 2x2x2x2x2x... board
< 1352825162 423430 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your position is just a binary number. by default the pointer goes 0, 1, 0, 1, 0, 1, etc
< 1352825243 864347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: then most positions on the board are inaccessible
< 1352825246 645313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the language is super-TC
< 1352825314 398517 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd reckon it's linear-bounded
< 1352825323 306617 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's super-TC
< 1352825329 898503 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's a start moving in direction n command
< 1352825346 903479 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, a turing-machine is less powerful than it if it's super-TC
< 1352825402 898647 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Turing-machine is a kind of machine which is conjectured to be able to execute any well-defined algorithm
< 1352825515 463395 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, moving around involves just going "x ^= dx", however, i'm going to somehow implement being able to modify multiple derivatives of x
< 1352825525 860714 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1352825593 262283 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so with multi-dimensional wrapping and speed, acceleration, jerk, jounce etc. set, you can make more intersting loops around the board
< 1352825732 345022 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1352825849 982596 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/ZgbFzZ1c apparently you can make paths with a length of up to 2^ceil(log2(x)) when you define x derivatives of position
< 1352825960 313946 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: http://esolangs.org/wiki/List_of_ideas#Based_on_dimensions
< 1352825961 874038 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or uh, not really. it's 2^ceil(log2(x-1)), or something. anyway, to move around, instead of setting dx and dy to some value like befunge, you push dx, ddx, dddx, ddddx etc. onto a "movement stack"
< 1352825980 261619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's super-TC
< 1352825982 853843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: uncomputable
< 1352825995 128563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am saying that either you cannot set the position to most possible values or your language is uncomputable
< 1352826032 632753 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Hcbf
< 1352826173 519731 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the coords have to end with an infinite amount of 0s
< 1352826196 131788 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncomputable is such a broad term
< 1352826214 457356 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no bound to the number of dimensions your position can have, but it can't ever be infinite
< 1352826223 229451 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how boring
< 1352826226 520209 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :inf-anf-i
< 1352826230 565532 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops.
< 1352826236 76166 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :inf-anf-oh at least had periodic points
< 1352826302 616542 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: why not
< 1352826328 10376 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can unambiguously describe an infinite binary sequence, it should be ok :)
< 1352826417 79098 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've considered that. representing position as a function (N -> Bool)
< 1352826440 117108 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd need to have means to test those functions for equality, at least
< 1352826466 119477 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thing is I'm not sure you'd be adding much to the language by allowing infinite sequence
< 1352826471 724879 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the issue
< 1352826501 182129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you can unambiguously describe an infinite binary sequence, it should be ok :)
< 1352826513 460102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost all infinite binary sequences cannot be described by any finite program
< 1352826525 749929 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, "rational numbers" or whatever you call repeated sequences, can be describe with a notation such as "(finite sequence)*"
< 1352826535 598026 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless your measure has atoms
< 1352826571 528825 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in that case you're only adding the possibility to put a * after a finite sequence, so you are only "multiplying by two" the possibilities, which is kinda lame since there already are an infinite number of them
< 1352826587 233345 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes that's the issue
< 1352826642 310995 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things stay considerably more sane if you don't allow for coordinates like (1, 1, 1, 1, 1, ...)
< 1352826766 464658 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, are you using the cantor topology for the space of all positions
< 1352826770 395032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"comparing functions for equality" is on my mental list of "the simplest things you can't do"
< 1352826803 903998 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you have some nice language for describing sequences so that equality is decidable right?
< 1352826887 700422 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's automatic sequences and fixed points of substitutions
< 1352826892 611710 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in math
< 1352826934 281410 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although perhaps for the latter equality is not in general decidable, but i think it is for primitive substitutions or something
< 1352826947 73573 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first time I thought about creating my own language I had an idea to include infinite sequences in it
< 1352826993 730695 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using lazy-evaluating for-like statements and a few other things of the like
< 1352827061 981293 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not every infinite sequence is  describable, though, right
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< 1352827469 964068 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much everything you'll ever need is describable
< 1352827520 249033 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in math you occasionally need things you cannot describe exactly, but are members of some nonempty set you can describe)
< 1352827548 793122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: (in case it isn't clear, positions in your language are isomorphic to reals)
< 1352827614 990498 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if i'm not allowing for anything that doesn't end in "0 repeating" they're isomorphic to naturals, right
< 1352827645 759674 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because (0, 1, 0, 1, 1, 0 repeating) is just 0b11010
< 1352827735 350847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: and if you allow any sequence to repeat, it's isomorphic to the rationals
< 1352827740 175531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are isomorphic to the integers
< 1352827751 563897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, always ends with a repeating sequence but you can specify waht
< 1352827752 955353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what
< 1352827797 6619 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually periodic
< 1352827798 902691 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was the basis of my informal proof the other day in a maths lesson that the digits of pi cannot be found within pi except for the obvious case of starting from the beginning
< 1352827845 435852 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it implies repetition, which implies rationality
< 1352827849 230353 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And pi is irrational
< 1352827861 780112 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a characterization of periodicity is indeed that the sequence contains itself as a tail
< 1352827900 631207 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's harder to prove that pi is irrational presumably
< 1352827962 961734 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352827976 709316 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :another characterization is this: there exists n such that the sequence contains at most n n-letter substrings
< 1352827997 434874 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you prove this? can you think of a two-dimensional analogue? is it true? can you prove it?
< 1352828048 186974 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352828053 21578 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, yes, no
< 1352828080 917877 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno about the third one
< 1352828100 302406 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the natural two-dimensional version is called nivat's conjecture
< 1352828110 608825 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352828171 663403 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's known that if there are at most 2n rectangles of shape n times 2, then the configuration is periodic (in at least one direction)
< 1352828209 630309 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and recently it was proved that if there are at most nk/2 subrectangles of shape n times k then again it's periodic in some direction.
< 1352828248 744114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how recently are we talking here
< 1352828256 652907 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this year iirc
< 1352828315 78671 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're going through the paper now, it's a bit annoying since we came up with all the main ideas in a seminar a few years back, except for the crucial idea of writing anything down.
< 1352828344 180630 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mostly based on the work of a guy in our university who had the record nk/16 then)
< 1352828354 576322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long until nk/1?!?!?!?!
< 1352828384 492203 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1352828422 898689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nk/0.5
< 1352828565 18359 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what makes the question interesting is of course that you can easily find a binary configuration that isn't periodic and you have nk+1 ways to fill each n times k rectangle
< 1352828582 414829 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but nk - the natural counterpart to the 1d result - is a huge mystery
< 1352828604 138488 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again that's math for ya
< 1352828616 135885 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's awesome what you gonna do
< 1352828620 35262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nk/-1
< 1352828620 373980 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we're making a game
< 1352828651 776946 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can prove it for nk/infinity:
< 1352828674 655602 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume the configuration x has nk/infinity = 0 subrectangles of n times k
< 1352828681 90394 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it doesn't exist
< 1352828683 150884 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed
< 1352828707 923666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maths
< 1352828773 65782 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :math
< 1352828777 515223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fuck this is going to take forever to read
< 1352828796 428912 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is
< 1352828841 777622 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the context to this
< 1352828851 64201 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you have all the time in the world
< 1352828855 900895 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't
< 1352828856 46319 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how's math going
< 1352828871 706047 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still mostly boring, although geometry stopped and abstract algebra started
< 1352828879 685761 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's vastly more interesting
< 1352828901 280818 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstract algebra is nice yes
< 1352828907 160247 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're writing our first algebra paper kinda
< 1352828914 201287 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so far behind on differential equations it's not even funny
< 1352828925 768899 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know anything about those :/
< 1352829008 537739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also haven't listened to an analysis lecture in weeks
< 1352829072 578212 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm only taking one course
< 1352829076 544367 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on nonstandard analysis
< 1352829139 601354 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :f'(a) = (f(x) - f(a))/(x - a) for x - a infinitely small :-)
< 1352829393 773857 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of those things for which you need an object you can't describe
< 1352829395 643574 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say f(x) = x²
< 1352829397 431494 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :an ultrafilter
< 1352829420 426469 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :f'(x) = 2x
< 1352829427 193995 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :f''(x) = 2
< 1352829433 710297 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :f'''(x) = 0
< 1352829461 569871 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice work, can you do 6x^7 + 3x next?
< 1352829467 423461 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh FreeFull
< 1352829492 796658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because what you say is true does not make it relevant or interesting
< 1352829509 456031 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was very amusing
< 1352829520 787737 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: 42x^6 + 3
< 1352829548 832445 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my experience spontaneous demonstrations of calculus ability are used mainly by drunk freshman attempting to prove that they are not drunk
< 1352829566 282124 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: so far so good
< 1352829581 398088 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm better at calculus when drunk. I am so sorted for university.
< 1352829588 247876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1352829593 331722 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the problem being that such people usually have atriq's ability
< 1352829619 219967 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a guy whose party trick is drawing accurate political maps of various countries and continents
< 1352829629 540783 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can do it knock-out drunk
< 1352829703 953289 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm shit at calculus sober, i should try it drunk
< 1352829937 7263 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: e^x^x
< 1352829952 717483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1352829958 620020 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did FreeFull give us a bunch of derivatives of x^2
< 1352829960 339297 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it
< 1352829969 27725 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was bored
< 1352829978 155681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1352830593 381958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you all know the sky is blue?
< 1352830599 566890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just thought you should have this information
< 1352830632 345187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't
< 1352830632 661233 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e^x dx dx, e^y dy
< 1352830938 285176 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1352830991 61523 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: if this sentence is a true statement, then the sky is actually reddish-green.
< 1352831195 368470 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1352834871 992253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa
< 1352834874 543444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :agda has pattern synonyms now
< 1352834878 75545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooooooooool
< 1352834981 436789 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, help, I'm writing another ridiculously long Haskell function
< 1352834986 237931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1352834987 360756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't
< 1352834998 141047 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to don't!
< 1352835035 57702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't
< 1352835048 171061 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't don't!
< 1352835112 970333 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't
< 1352835165 921763 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't, when you can do!
< 1352835184 134063 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Gregor
< 1352835186 696257 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good advice
< 1352835211 2762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't
< 1352835287 607295 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Split it up!
< 1352835426 498051 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks kind of pretty
< 1352835430 760376 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a rope
< 1352835433 760783 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a tornado
< 1352835448 819952 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Minas Tirith
< 1352835866 72070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That tornado is carrying a car.
< 1352835919 660006 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what.
< 1352835958 930306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sonic 2006 quote.
< 1352835981 612718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless that was an atriq-directed "what.", in which case I concur.
< 1352836154 819826 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a warped sense of both beauty and pareidolia, okay?
< 1352837809 890350 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1352838063 130671 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, as they say... damned if you do do, damned if you don't don't
< 1352838094 349485 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, missed the whole "don't" discussion by about an hour
< 1352838298 484384 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I've been thinking.
< 1352838301 444980 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck is pretty weird.
< 1352838321 525278 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You... just noticed
< 1352838335 703376 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've noticed it a couple of times before.
< 1352838337 596241 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just noticed again.
< 1352838354 872687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that there is no computable model...
< 1352838359 49535 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For reference, http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=003831
< 1352838369 169100 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is, in fact, a computable model of the Peano axioms.
< 1352838414 210051 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: hahahahahahahahaha
< 1352838417 644596 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no, that's not what i meant
< 1352838481 848453 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You meant a computable model of ZFC?
< 1352838484 627293 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, there isn't one of those.
< 1352838487 31638 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I think.
< 1352838553 398395 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, what specifically made you notice that Homestuck is weird
< 1352838553 552746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1352838556 149055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try again tswett!!!
< 1352838558 59888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll get it eventually
< 1352838581 611605 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A computable model of... the real numbers?
< 1352838586 321796 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's one of those, either.
< 1352838620 398175 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I read a TV Tropes page mentioning that in Homestuck, most of the dialogue takes place via chat programs.
< 1352838660 450791 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no computable model of anything!
< 1352838670 989552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong again tswett
< 1352838693 829912 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no computable model of NFU?
< 1352838695 492239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's a countable model of the real numbers
< 1352838715 781349 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no computable model of, uh...
< 1352838719 391193 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :First-order... logic?
< 1352838724 484447 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second-order logic?
< 1352838732 314636 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probability theory?
< 1352838750 949146 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Category theory?
< 1352838752 159985 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Physics?
< 1352838756 936291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :love
< 1352838767 369969 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The semantics of Haskell?
< 1352838808 491389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: nope
< 1352838825 979722 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gee...
< 1352838829 134807 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I have a hint?
< 1352838839 118632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no computable model of a computable set of axioms that uniquely defines the natural numbers
< 1352838841 287529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because none exists!!
< 1352838851 571859 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm...
< 1352838859 852087 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1352838864 856198 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that sounds true.
< 1352838881 981477 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, most of my conversations with you take place via chat programs
< 1352838924 166843 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1352838928 877271 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That also sounds true.
< 1352839006 421609 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it that weird, in a modern world, for a significant number of conversations to take place via chat programs?
< 1352839010 797788 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than face to face?
< 1352839031 869285 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not really.
< 1352839044 657436 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is weird is that when people *are* together in person, they never actually speak.
< 1352839061 914044 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until Act 6 Intermission 1
< 1352839084 115775 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And only if you don't count, for example, John's conversations with Nannasprite
< 1352839100 531207 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the carapaced ones may have some actual conversation with each other before that.
< 1352839103 438803 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am certain that I have typed more than I have said.
< 1352839144 340213 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that the conversation is always paraphrased.
< 1352840448 871915 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1352844108 235582 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-82-156.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I do not have a microphone now
< 1352844579 900890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did somebody steal it?
< 1352844598 5243 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352844680 103675 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1352844738 903862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it allowed to update your candidate submission?
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< 1352844765 65990 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, speaking of controllers (well, we were yesterday): quite a few games don't properly handle mixed input devices correctly it appears
< 1352844799 736222 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, with that I mean switching between keyboard, controller or joystick on the fly
< 1352844806 943583 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would make sense in many games
< 1352845183 805259 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :night →
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< 1352846125 861838 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1352846358 554649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : According to Apple, a jury’s damages verdicts are immune from scrutiny so long as they fall “within the range encompassed by the record as a whole,” and the verdicts here fall within that “range” because they are lower than the damages Apple sought.
< 1352846367 656006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this case has generally been hilarious
< 1352847133 586171 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
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< 1352848346 925051 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
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< 1352849185 956441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The GNU Make Standard Library (GMSL) is a collection of functions implemented using native GNU Make functionality that provide list and string manipulation, integer arithmetic, associative arrays, stacks, and debugging facilities."
< 1352849198 297877 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :joke?
< 1352849204 107201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not afaik
< 1352849533 538340 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1352849862 147707 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Integers are represented by lists with the equivalent number of x's.  For example the number 4 is x x x x.»
< 1352849932 421375 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and memoization and map, too.  very functional!
< 1352849979 71577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__'s next language???
< 1352850012 141116 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's an Ant Standard Library
< 1352850032 256126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope it's named A/S/L
< 1352852443 741435 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You can use > for half an x
< 1352852525 594500 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, obviously it would be better to have rationals, as pairs of x's.  or hell, throw in dedekind cuts
< 1352852681 353475 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surreals?
< 1352852704 120037 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better!
< 1352852802 562804 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, we can do even better than that
< 1352852804 802436 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surcomplex numbers
< 1352852825 802781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean surreal x surreal
< 1352852843 524800 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that even a thing?
< 1352852853 45920 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1352852854 178884 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so it is
< 1352852906 65601 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ou can keep going to quasurnions and so on, then... probablly rather pointless
< 1352853279 496367 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does news.bbc.co.uk serve a different page to American IPs, or is it actually the case that British news is mostly about America?
< 1352853369 343854 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the headlines below the petraeus thing seem american from here...
< 1352853439 695608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the admiral thing, but that's it
< 1352853449 489917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the stuff down the page as well
< 1352853455 774205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i have this impression because the election just happened
< 1352853472 427013 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even has a Sandy headline... relating to Haiti!
< 1352853503 21760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the petraeus thing is getting pretty weird
< 1352853504 392356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The White House backs Gen John Allen after reports he "flirted" with a woman who was harassed by the lover of CIA Director David Petraeus."
< 1352853551 159814 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :john allen revealed be estranged clone of petraeus's uncle
< 1352853567 281064 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1352853632 145528 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tim allen declines to comment
< 1352853658 351981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : so does news.bbc.co.uk serve a different page to American IPs, or is it actually the case that British news is mostly about America?
< 1352853660 424115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what page are you getting
< 1352853666 859790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is almost certainly the latter)
< 1352853674 994744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(news everywhere is mostly about america)
< 1352853724 105305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay we're #1
< 1352853741 817693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 in sex scandals, dubious wars, and confusing elections
< 1352853801 142899 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :america is actually just a channel 4 reality show
< 1352853803 661149 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the petraeus thing has security breaches involved, which would be a nice change from sex scandals (so probably won't happen)
< 1352853806 41684 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in exceptionally poor taste
< 1352853823 614372 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like if taneb had a scandal
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< 1352854897 498605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: a | (b << 1) packs two bits together right
< 1352854918 494434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually never mind
< 1352854950 761318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am so rusty with bitwise stuff
< 1352854985 81991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: okay I have a new question
< 1352855004 298840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I read a byte a, and then a byte b
< 1352855015 518413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I do (a << 8) | (b & 0x00FF)
< 1352855020 736667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind
< 1352855021 729007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's obvious
< 1352855032 552502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am dumb
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< 1352855457 110965 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.180.60.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :into dust into head
< 1352855468 275778 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.180.60.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :into wisdom into bed
< 1352855558 642104 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.180.60.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYDlBVWja50
< 1352855656 749247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352855689 830188 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.180.60.89 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliottdroog
< 1352855693 901377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliottdroog
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< 1352858287 164351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUTTON, BUTTON; MAGIC MUSIC; THE KNIGHT OF THE WHISTLE; MY
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< 1352861372 67611 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :arabcoffee
< 1352861401 673939 :arabcoffee!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :augur
< 1352861864 160863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any Csound plugin to play Impulse Tracker instruments?
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< 1352862001 317891 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate the GIL I hate the GIL I hate the GIL
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< 1352864004 636999 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not be the GIL's fault apparently
< 1352864008 252148 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tears out more hair
< 1352864117 186637 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1352864970 785991 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My mind is going I can feel it
< 1352865157 965416 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1352865715 853448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at you hacker
< 1352865720 297332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pathetic creature of meat and bone
< 1352865727 87443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :panting and sweating as you run through my corridors
< 1352865743 258882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you challenge a perfect, immortal machine?
< 1352865775 296706 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :little does shodan realize that parts of her network interface were written in php
< 1352865847 422090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1352865868 347138 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, if you're referencing the game I think you're referencing, I've played it
< 1352865913 574422 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, elliott update
< 1352865974 877399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqypatching
< 1352866021 738450 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352866040 811536 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1352869493 854796 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do we know that there's only one standard model of the natural numbers, anyway...
< 1352869561 448635 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's been proven, in ZFC or something, that there is only one computable model, and that this model is also the only well-ordered model.
< 1352869687 45602 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352869693 656183 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi.
< 1352869957 91506 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen it argued that there are, in fact, multiple standard models of the natural numbers.  The two most prominent are the positional numeral system, and unary.
< 1352870048 880004 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The argument says that we have no particular reason to think that these two systems are isomorphic.
< 1352870074 709652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you like lenses
< 1352870086 5748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should it depend on if you extend them to infinite?
< 1352870086 216949 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the number 1,000,000,000,000,000,000 can be written in the positional system, but not in unary.
< 1352870087 709791 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you trying to get me to do a thing? I won't do it
< 1352870136 993623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "do i" have "a reputation"
< 1352870156 175790 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which... I guess is true for concrete, physical tally marks, but not for abstract theoretical ones.
< 1352870156 713804 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrt lens, trying to get people to do a thing
< 1352870190 261394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: so how are you applying this to a new esolang
< 1352870194 740455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Same I was thinking of too.
< 1352870235 49176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think since you have to use abstract theoretical ones in mathematics, even though you cannot actually write it, you can use a different representation for convenience.
< 1352870250 359849 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I call it Fuckfuck.  It's just like Brainfuck, except you're limited to 28,000 cells.
< 1352870265 11559 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fuckfuck" is already taken
< 1352870279 181907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "hi" taken
< 1352870279 543406 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I'll call it Fuckball.
< 1352870294 470174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new esolang from monqy
< 1352870350 918985 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1352870599 526594 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, an esolang based on the ultrafinitistic idea that there is no bijection between positional numerals and unary numerals.
< 1352870650 726566 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1352870686 282878 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably, the esolang should be incapable of taking a positional numeral and producing the corresponding unary numeral.
< 1352870758 358586 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it do anything else ?
< 1352870772 599872 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does something other than being incapable of that, yes.
< 1352870834 759120 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is this usually done?  The obvious way to do it is via recursion.  To unarize a long numeral, start by unarizing all but the last digit, n times.
< 1352870884 657606 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we should prohibit that kind of recursion.
< 1352870941 827899 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just add.  int i,tot=0;for(i=0;i Well, I think the person who runs esolangs.org is in here sometimes.
< 1352875171 258103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was the "ESOtropic TERriers International Conglomeration", often abbreviated ESOTERIC, from which the claim for a primary channel came from? 
< 1352875171 611206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am never in here
< 1352875198 708289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: kick elliott
< 1352875214 270872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't kick him, he's not in here.
< 1352875236 386469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curses!
< 1352875245 310196 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ncurses!
< 1352875308 898059 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1352875310 459179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drat and double drat!
< 1352875337 362066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double-precision rational.
< 1352875359 815917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :double-double precision rational
< 1352875376 219346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct drat { double num, den; }; /* best number format */
< 1352875378 939011 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ratio of double floats could be innovative
< 1352875504 208751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some) C compilers on PPC have a double-double "long double".
< 1352875542 20014 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmucl has double-double-floats.  i have no idea why, because it has hardware support nowhere
< 1352875650 484065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better than a double, yet not as slow as a generic arbitrary-precision soft-float, perhaps.
< 1352875690 268184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :double double animal style
< 1352875707 423687 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't have arbitrary precision floats.  the mystery deepens
< 1352875789 522727 :segorev!~cherep@193.34.208.210 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352876044 939568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double compile.
< 1352876778 322407 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352877295 225856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made some document for the skill generator of FurryScript.
< 1352877364 860091 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aowjiefuiawhefiauwhfuioawyehruoafwyevfgawyefvoawefbghawhjfbgaukweyfawkhjufbaukwjefbawukefgakuvfaukwevgfauwgevfawuievfuiawyefguiawygefuiawyefgauiywefgauiwyefguiaweyfgaiw8efygauiwefg
< 1352877441 731476 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bug that I've been fighting this whole time, and blamed on the GIL at one point? Turns out I miscopied the account's key.
< 1352877493 134346 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f7c0.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1352877859 186914 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's another bug somewhere
< 1352877899 52561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? ?yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw ?yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw ?yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw ?yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw ?yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw
< 1352877899 422270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\""
< 1352877921 766017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? (?yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw) (?yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw) (?yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw) (?yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw) (?yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw)
< 1352877922 187241 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\" "\"#$%&'()*+,\"" Just 'J' Just 'J' Exception: <>
< 1352877978 163744 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ibutwhat
< 1352878042 419901 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.97.33 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352878052 467818 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: @
< 1352878088 338470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ＠
< 1352878097 512513 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: ＠
< 1352878166 945678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: ﹫
< 1352878183 349997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot＠home
< 1352879339 903530 :segorev!~cherep@193.34.208.210 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1352879752 437923 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1352879757 457215 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1352879782 987459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello monqy
< 1352879785 572239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome monqy
< 1352879797 373242 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1352879812 444596 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1352880302 601259 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1352880302 747231 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big was the original TimeToken?
< 1352880302 747414 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The original TimeToken was 13 (thirteen) digit places.
< 1352880302 747531 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big is the new TimeToken?
< 1352880302 747639 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new TimeToken is 17 (seventeen) digit places.
< 1352880304 550628 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How big is the difference between new and old TimeToken?
< 1352880306 538580 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difference is 4 (four) digit places."
< 1352880315 412742 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FAQs. For people who can't do math.
< 1352880378 944206 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. for everyone, because no-one can do math
< 1352880431 122777 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I wonder how they managed to math out all those numbers given that no-one can do math
< 1352880496 851198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they used a mathputer.
< 1352881130 888981 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who made the mathputer
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< 1352882294 290125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: They did.
< 1352882573 562055 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mathputer spontaneously erupted from math itself
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< 1352885331 616259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: (java)  :D
< 1352885496 598589 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-2-24.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352885548 984361 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope this isn't contagious.
< 1352885566 358287 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-2-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's contagious
< 1352885569 635278 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-2-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now tell me what it is
< 1352885658 400344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Uh-oh, now Jafet got it too.
< 1352885683 378101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO Jafet isn't as good as Java
< 1352885693 710531 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope I don't lose sleep over this.
< 1352885694 736708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO Java isn't as good as Jafet
< 1352885710 427806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not just MO, too:
< 1352885711 718857 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma Jafet
< 1352885712 20478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet has a karma of 20
< 1352885713 135119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma Java
< 1352885713 383194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java has a karma of 0
< 1352885719 10788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed ?? i think so
< 1352885750 810933 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proof by mahayana metaphysics
< 1352885832 184700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you think Lens.Zipper-style zippers for infinite strict data structures are possible?
< 1352885839 679949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite traversals of strict data structures.
< 1352885844 518376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ekmett/lens/issues/81
< 1352885880 322124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know
< 1352885890 867591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good answer
< 1352885997 968411 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-2-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, can you give an example of an infinite strict data structure?
< 1352886007 970123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integer
< 1352886035 303338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> toListOf traverseBits (5::Integer)
< 1352886037 202495 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [True,False,True,False,False,False,False,False,False,False,False,False,Fals...
< 1352886039 689425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? Infinite.
< 1352886046 313489 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-2-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh
< 1352886060 930705 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> toListOf traverseBits (-1 :: Integer)
< 1352886062 906951 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True...
< 1352886074 223475 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense
< 1352886146 468802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately there's no way to turn a traversed Integer back into an Integer.
< 1352886149 207050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I know of.
< 1352886187 270450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could do it with a special kind of Traversal.
< 1352886191 846232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it'd really be worth it...
< 1352886200 219262 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly we need that lazy integer thingylingy
< 1352886216 198941 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone invent it
< 1352886234 607257 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :you will be granted a license to unamb
< 1352886277 303304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What lazy integer thingylingy?
< 1352886312 877943 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-2-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing my Fueue interpreter:
< 1352886314 901360 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-2-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** Exception: Taneb's done something stupid!
< 1352886319 485273 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-2-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, me.
< 1352886409 874859 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that we decided wasn't actually possible apart from Nat
< 1352886418 210854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "(java)" like when you cast some other language into a Java? 
< 1352886438 852082 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did you know that
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< 1352892252 873796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[
< 1352892253 238162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me that .NET assemblies have the following advantages over Haskell packages:
< 1352892253 386861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being mostly compiled, .NET assemblies add very little overhead added to the build process.
< 1352892253 672216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]]
< 1352892408 31159 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-2-24.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the advantages of not supporting more than 1 operating system
< 1352892621 249416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :.NET assemblies work on more than one operating system.
< 1352892667 109336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So if you have data Foo a = Foo [a] a [a]; instance Comonad Foo, and you want to generalize it to data Foo x a = Foo [a] x [a], you can't really do that, can you?
< 1352892684 713274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do Foo f a = Foo [a] (f a) [a], but that's hardly the same. :-(
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< 1352900075 69655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how's that super-safe transactional save mechanism working out for you
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< 1352904407 338720 :atriq!~nathan@78.148.2.24 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found myself wishing for a zero-width space key on my keyboard
< 1352904414 574523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have one.
< 1352904417 927333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just don't see it.
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< 1352904738 416602 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scp-wiki.net/badapplications
< 1352904745 913252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is amazing
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< 1352911958 241749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL: python random.SystemRandom() is an object with the same API as random itself, which uses /dev/urandom directly
< 1352913493 90047 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1352913501 756632 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here an expert on keyboards
< 1352913564 31217 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want an nkro ortho-linear keyboard with a separate numpad
< 1352913586 48562 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :separate as in not a numpad button that makes part of the keyboard into a numpad.
< 1352913622 492006 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd prefer to pay less than 1000 euros
< 1352913675 742940 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :typematrix is ortho-linear, and i hear there are nkro keyboards. numpads are of course easier to find than not find.
< 1352913692 237383 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i haven't seen one with all
< 1352913760 9285 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i would also prefer blank skin because keyboards with text are kinda ugly, but i suppose that's easy to fix.)
< 1352914035 38639 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blank skin, you mean like a keyboard painted in white?
< 1352914210 902646 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352914226 719942 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's optional, i can just paint over it or something
< 1352914339 161313 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really care what the keys feel like, it'd be enough to get a keyboard that's not a retarded piece of shit.
< 1352914360 65207 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the definition of not being a retarded piece of shit being nkro + ortho-linear)
< 1352914435 808393 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :before i bought the typematrix, the definition was being ortho-linear, but nkro is an almost equally pressing issue which i only noticed later.
< 1352915100 923058 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey does anyone know how http://esolangs.org/wiki/Rhotor works? there are no example programs and I don't really understand the syntax for functions
< 1352915138 573073 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I'm supposed to use "the :symbol notation" but I don't really know what it does
< 1352915179 814086 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: what is ortholinear
< 1352915188 117671 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the keys are arranged in a grid
< 1352915200 185413 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than staggered?
< 1352915200 331218 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the link to the interpreter seems broken
< 1352915224 740021 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.blog.cyberkinetx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/DSC_1944.jpg
< 1352915229 82931 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1352915232 708521 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect your requirements are too many
< 1352915241 60849 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nkro + ortho-linear are the main ones
< 1352915245 498571 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1352915245 973623 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are extremely rare
< 1352915249 432793 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nkro already eliminates 9/10 of the market
< 1352915255 542061 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use that keyboard to shoot a science-fiction show
< 1352915282 676699 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ortho-linear is way more important, i can't stand staggered (at least the standard way of staggering, diagonal lines would be okay probably, but i don't see the point)
< 1352915316 28486 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we used to have touch screens for that, but they're so common now they don't look futuristic any longer)
< 1352915334 184265 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's nkro?
< 1352915341 522981 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :n-key rollover
< 1352915346 832089 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can press any amount of keys at the same time
< 1352915365 356421 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want to do that
< 1352915380 827834 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to game with it
< 1352915385 33647 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1352915387 965412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you want to use it for steno
< 1352915412 944081 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the same reason i want my keyboard not to have the feature that typing "escalladoddo" actually writes "dude you suck". nkro makes sense, non-nkro doesn't.
< 1352915424 789407 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't steno care about some order among the typed letters?
< 1352915435 243862 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah if you had it, you could make programs that use it.
< 1352915448 767011 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously most programs don't because keyboards don't have nkro.
< 1352915457 242515 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I understand your escalladoddo comment though
< 1352915472 147133 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i press two keys, i want two keypresses to be sent.
< 1352915482 48623 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I can relate to the T9 system used by my phone's keyboard is very very lame)
< 1352915489 582162 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want a random subset to be sent.
< 1352915493 414710 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: plover just looks at which keys were all typed in the last 100ms, regardless of order, and considers that a stroke
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< 1352915539 822040 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: the comment was a very random example of a feature that doesn't have a point. yeah you might not bump into it. it still makes no sense.
< 1352915560 494098 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the natural thing to happen when i press 7 keys is that 7 keys are sent.
< 1352915582 685918 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why do people always discuss WHY you'd wont nkro, and not instead tell why they want non-nkro?
< 1352915589 41599 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I press two keys and let go, two letters appear on my screen
< 1352915592 388088 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a use for it?
< 1352915628 183020 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though if I press two keys and don't let go, first two letters appear, then one of the two get printed indefinitely and the other just don't
< 1352915632 785654 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: they want, say, 5kro rather than nkro because it is far cheaper
< 1352915648 190370 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cheapest nkro kb is like $25
< 1352915684 124374 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :most are hundreds
< 1352915694 721497 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i payed something like 100 for typematrix
< 1352915702 778845 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd pay 400 more for nkro.
< 1352915716 524664 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand
< 1352915728 590498 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :most people cannot fathom paying that much for a keyboard
< 1352915735 760178 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't have to feel ashamed of myself everytime i touch my keyboard
< 1352915740 477291 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and humanity
< 1352915850 144738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flat ortholinear seems pretty bad since fingers are not all the same length and resting position of hand is not perfectly flat
< 1352915881 356183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard for me to imagine any of these being more comfortable than the kinesis contoured
< 1352915907 405564 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinesis contoured is one i'm currently looking at
< 1352915935 112871 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but where's the arrow keys?
< 1352915966 800468 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :flat ortholinear is way better than qwerty imo, never tried a contoured kb.
< 1352915992 83605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrow keys are just under qwerty's CV and M,
< 1352916005 706169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :small curl of the index and middle fingers
< 1352916016 386391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty nice -- this is why i didn't learn vim hjkl until recently
< 1352916063 799649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :layout-wise the other big difference is putting bksp del home end pgup pgdn enter space and modifiers into thumb clusters
< 1352916081 556783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty dumb that you have two thumbs, they're super strong, and yet on a normal keyboard they can only hit one key between them
< 1352916081 739872 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :left hand arrow keys?
< 1352916092 577645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes left/right are on the left and up/down are on the right
< 1352916111 993607 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it has two \| keys
< 1352916117 152917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which took me like a year to notice
< 1352916120 184057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have bound one to Esc
< 1352916133 595258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now i mostly use Ctrl-[ for escape
< 1352916139 207112 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" yes left/right are on the left and up/down are on the right" that seems a bit weird
< 1352916147 774260 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess you get used to it pretty fast
< 1352916156 390359 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so umm, i suppose no nkro?
< 1352916167 162571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think not
< 1352916189 194290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on disassembling mine I think it would be fairly easy to replace the controller board
< 1352916201 311634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the switches might still be wired up in a matrixey way that precludes nkro
< 1352916202 465128 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Crayola-USB-EZ-Type-Keyboard/dp/B00167ZYMK/ref=sr_1_199?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1352916035&sr=1-199&keywords=keyboard
< 1352916205 424318 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks nice
< 1352916207 76358 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1352916222 986693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it labeled in comic sans
< 1352916232 914381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :teaching children qwerty :(
< 1352916304 861742 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to learn dvorak at some point but ä and ö were just too annoying.
< 1352916318 337965 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats wrong with teaching children qwerty? are you a dvorak snob?
< 1352916324 339505 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least in the standard layout you get by pressing the dvorak button)
< 1352916345 250473 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use altgr-q for ä and altgr-p for ö.
< 1352916346 250018 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you think we should just give them all touchscreens with swype?
< 1352916366 619374 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: i'd prefer a single key
< 1352916373 439254 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: qwerty sucks
< 1352916380 827801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvorak is one of many non-shitty alternatives
< 1352916395 124989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't claim that dvorak in particular is awesome, just that qwerty sucks
< 1352916408 651271 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said my complaint is not very serious, because in the real world, being able to type in qwerty is very useful
< 1352916410 756296 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you arent proposing an alternative
< 1352916413 902539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so it's probably a good skill for your children to have
< 1352916418 592225 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or providing an argument for that matter
< 1352916434 418758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what crawled up your butt and died
< 1352916445 342769 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pizz
< 1352916446 222219 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a
< 1352916450 542080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :om nom nom
< 1352916467 763898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i weren't at work i would send a very nsfw animated gif at this juncture
< 1352916467 994926 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is that why you never learned esperanto?
< 1352916478 929079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't follow
< 1352916502 479808 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you like qwerty?
< 1352916590 959409 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont see any problem with it really. i know they say dvorak is up to 10% faster with a year of practice, but keyboards are going to be slow. that's just how keyboarding is.
< 1352916608 969258 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, because the ability to speak in actual languages is more important than speaking esperanto, in real life
< 1352916672 90905 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyboards are slow? compared to what?
< 1352916681 592949 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pretty slow compared to speech at least
< 1352916695 441718 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do you mean like other methods of doing things on the computer
< 1352916800 948951 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to steno
< 1352916811 627471 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, speech
< 1352916827 280014 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they are not very ergonomic.
< 1352916835 825382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: also esperanto is just boring
< 1352916842 595617 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet another romance language
< 1352916848 779898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :might as well learn a romance language people actually use
< 1352916864 411374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas, I can see the interest of learning Lojban even though nobody uses it
< 1352916872 555486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hungarian
< 1352916883 699926 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I hope you're not one of those Lojban nerds!
< 1352916891 583873 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erk, you jsut said that
< 1352916932 616904 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: can you teach a computer to read steno? would be pretty cool
< 1352916936 786354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know any lojban
< 1352916941 917979 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oo i love lojban
< 1352916943 190166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :learned a tiny bit a long time ago and then forgot
< 1352916945 886071 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lojban seemed very interesting but I have decided not to try to learn it until I speak Chinese, Russian, Arabic, German, and at least five other languages
< 1352916976 376900 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since this condition is probably never gonna be fulfilled in this lifetime... :)
< 1352916991 145146 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: steno machines *are* computers, but again, plover can steno from a regular nkro keyboard
< 1352916999 918508 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its foss too
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< 1352917043 842379 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh you mean that sorta steno
< 1352917078 899629 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant just writing shorthand with pen.
< 1352917102 422830 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to write shorthand?
< 1352917111 243723 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think steno is faster and more ergonomic than any penbased method
< 1352917111 558902 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1352917132 970130 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning curve is superhigh tho
< 1352917139 450958 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about steno, do you actually write all the data?
< 1352917187 75843 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :data?
< 1352917201 618381 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like can you write asdf8
< 1352917209 956248 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1352917214 214735 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can you just write speech in some abbreviated... okay
< 1352917229 835894 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you want to write gibberish you have to do one stroke per letter
< 1352917241 489752 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas real words are 1-4 strokds per word
< 1352917265 754838 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmhmm
< 1352917279 716494 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can actually use stenos as everyday kbs?
< 1352917292 58637 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1352917303 696234 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :miranda knight uses it for everything
< 1352917312 569397 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :stenoknight.com
< 1352917317 678070 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a guy who uses half his keyboard, as chorded steno input
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< 1352932876 847109 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, update that I can't see because I can't seem to connect to MSPA for some bizarre reason :(
< 1352932885 731467 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1352934119 431311 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, there was an update
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< 1352934803 151261 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, Phantom__Hoover, I think I saw someone update brainfuck recently
< 1352934806 240710 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should check it out
< 1352935001 542251 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an update to your tumblr would be great though
< 1352935379 711125 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell atriq i should really update my tumblr some day eh
< 1352935380 124450 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1352938255 616783 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a horrible feeling that youtube have updated their featured videos algorithms of late to turn it into an advertising venue
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< 1352943714 628967 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I'm writing an ocaml module for a circular buffer with multiple pointers
< 1352943744 314893 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can be useful for instance for interpreters for languages like ETAS or Circlefuck
< 1352943771 315418 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what should I call it? "buffer.ml"? "circular.ml"?
< 1352943795 977934 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that it will give its name to the circular buffer type
< 1352943821 753983 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and so functions will be accessed with names such as Circular.pop or Circular.push or whatever)
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< 1352944743 748021 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With OCaml, is it feasible to change code while it's running?
< 1352944773 119237 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that something you need to do
< 1352944803 387761 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's something that can be convenient to do.
< 1352944825 85787 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that I know of
< 1352944828 148428 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not*
< 1352944857 831068 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do use some dirty stuff sometimes, like interrupting for loops using exceptions
< 1352944943 972461 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in fact I don't consider it dirty at all - when a for loop is preceded by the declaration of an exception named "Interrupt_loop of (something)" I consider it's explicit enough
< 1352945315 793145 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaand it's way past bedtime again
< 1352945324 93382 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a fun night and see you tomorrow
< 1352945334 880634 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not, I have stuff to do tomorrow
< 1352945531 561094 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw quintopia you will need to give me more info about ETAS, like where does the data pointer start, etc.
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< 1352946518 763079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :circlejerk.ml
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< 1352950435 47818 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* I think The Onion got something wrong, in a context of facts being presented as though they were surprising
< 1352950446 749697 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/widening-petraeus-scandal-reveals-human-race-has-b,30368/
< 1352950474 281015 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isaac Newton is on the list of people purported to have had sex.
< 1352950511 146764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it definitively established that he didn't?
< 1352950573 887529 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he at least claimed to be
< 1352950583 926197 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, be a virgin
< 1352950614 537190 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he also claimed to know where the temple of solomon was and that the world would end in 2060
< 1352950679 560059 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was that the world wouldn't end before 2060 (not that that makes it more reasonable)
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< 1352951518 688459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna know where the GOLD at
< 1352951575 796624 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm right here.
< 1352951591 398769 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, you are gold in my client.  how'd you do that
< 1352951634 778547 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is you?
< 1352951652 6688 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :white
< 1352951664 654234 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.  I mean sgeo__.
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< 1352952396 911944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :white people itt
< 1352953200 83123 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A truthful The Onion article? o.O
< 1352953201 79610 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/extensive-faq-page-dispels-any-lingering-confusion,30317/
< 1352953229 984333 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, there is a BostonDuckTours.com with a large FAQ, at least)
< 1352953258 580704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of onion articles are truthful
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< 1352953442 614538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As they scoured the Internet for more juicy details about former CIA director David Petraeus’ affair with biographer Paula Broadwell, Americans were reportedly horrified today upon learning that a protracted, bloody war involving U.S. forces is currently raging in the nation of Afghanistan."
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< 1352954414 491536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE lightquake
< 1352954427 273399 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LiGhTqUaKe: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.)
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< 1352954964 621924 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is There An All Initial Caps Welcome Message?
< 1352954975 340394 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`Welcome quintopia 
< 1352954979 378026 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: Welcome: not found
< 1352954983 456047 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsk
< 1352955206 389358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there A Shubshub Welcome message That Capitalizes words Seemingly At random?
< 1352955313 5683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: shubshub is a spy, transmitting secret messages a bit at a time via capitalization.
< 1352955750 563256 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/WeLcOmE
< 1352955754 354860 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ welcome $@ | python -c "print (lambda s: ''.join([ (s[i].upper() if i%2==0 else s[i].lower()) for i in range(len(s)) ]))(raw_input())"
< 1352955868 404178 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :use enumerate
< 1352955870 206363 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for shame
< 1352956244 790919 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "$@"
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< 1352956389 608134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run WeLcOmE toadrats lizzards
< 1352956393 670854 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ToAdRaTs: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.)
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< 1352957628 546458 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That link doesn't work
< 1352957666 554567 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also apparently no lightquake, no toadrats, and no lizzards
< 1352957712 30927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty interact (zipWith ($) (cycle [toUpper,toLower]))
< 1352957713 935464 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO ()
< 1352957770 886424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo blah | ghc -e 'interact (zipWith ($) (cycle [toUpper,toLower]))'
< 1352957776 176784 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc: can't find a package database at /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf.d
< 1352957778 353416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
< 1352957781 620955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor!
< 1352957794 496883 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I killed GHC.
< 1352957796 372885 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deal.
< 1352957879 935768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Python have an equivalent of cycle?
< 1352957945 624595 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, are circular lists that common in haskell?
< 1352957960 850396 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1352957976 752292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not?
< 1352957979 893061 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :while True: yield "foo"; yield "bar" or something.
< 1352957991 16002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell lists aren't just data structures; they're control structures.
< 1352957999 166547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A list is vaguely equivalent to a loop.
< 1352958028 749895 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :def foo(xs): while True: for x in xs: yield x
< 1352958033 565896 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat
< 1352958047 954054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Sure, but this is one-liner-land.
< 1352958061 653226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itertools might have it
< 1352958061 799318 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are essentially no oneliners in Python. ;-)
< 1352958072 735122 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only lets you use the layout syntax.
< 1352958081 930142 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from __future__ import braces
< 1352958112 943306 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "from __future_ import braces" | python
< 1352958116 844903 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \   File "", line 1, in  \ ImportError: No module named __future_
< 1352958121 627593 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "from __future__ import braces" | python
< 1352958125 873626 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :File "", line 1 \ SyntaxError: not a chance
< 1352958132 267308 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah?
< 1352958161 150907 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, itertools has cycle()
< 1352958177 28073 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How pretty: http://docs.python.org/2/library/itertools.html#itertools.cycle
< 1352958195 856236 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because xs might be an iterator and you can’t rewind iterators.
< 1352958261 645663 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352958388 972294 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
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< 1352958496 647770 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352960016 962985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird that there are still so many places where freight trains run down the middle of the street
< 1352960059 495610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :freightfully many
< 1352961205 602297 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352962072 733236 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1352964973 827860 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1352965342 276740 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" it's a simple, declarative language (think prolog with dependent types)"
< 1352965347 723125 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another language to fall in love with?
< 1352965514 937903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And out of, later on.
< 1352965534 465361 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self, read up on http://twelf.org
< 1352965607 354073 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird how wikis are the new style
< 1352965615 382729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zwölf.
< 1352965629 759471 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also weird how the site won't load but eh
< 1352965645 713765 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it's just slow, not down.
< 1352965665 119184 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm impatient, so those are the same.
< 1352965695 300809 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the general description is... rather less technical than I would have hoped.
< 1352965739 669606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for "visitors without a technical background", what did you expect? 
< 1352965783 488512 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that doesn't spend a paragraph explaining what java is.  who who doesn't have some idea of that is going to be able to use a theorem prover?
< 1352965861 591826 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mathematicians? Although in this case, the theorems seem to be about ... programming languages, I ... think
< 1352965880 332284 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bla bla curry-howard bla
< 1352965889 401461 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be related to martin-lof types though, that's kinda neat.
< 1352966036 967209 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea what martin-lof types are
< 1352966088 404033 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :intuitionistic type theory.  look up the name, he's done some neat shit
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< 1352967107 663664 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1352967322 323485 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
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< 1352967606 401035 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^tell Arc_Koen it starts at the beginning of the program, just like the instruction pointer.
< 1352967619 580496 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that thing work again
< 1352967629 36807 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :>tell Arc_Koen it starts at the beginning of the program, just like the instruction pointer.
< 1352967641 774122 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tell Arc_Koen it starts at the beginning of the program, just like the instruction pointer.
< 1352967646 287847 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: tell: not found
< 1352967779 694033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're loking for @.
< 1352967783 118272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking.
< 1352967839 186574 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen it starts at the beginning of the program, just like the instruction pointer.
< 1352967839 509049 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1352967843 646528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def tell ul (I think you mean @tell instead?)S
< 1352967844 286574 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1352967845 457622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save
< 1352967846 220802 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1352967851 96713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^tell someone something
< 1352967851 929906 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you mean @tell instead?
< 1352967852 211024 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs fizzie
< 1352967875 929377 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :give hackbot one tooo
< 1352967881 604346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're all about helpfulness on #esoteric, it's our defining trait.
< 1352967976 49716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tell someone something
< 1352967979 678510 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you mean "@tell someone something" instead?
< 1352968098 564963 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo $PATH
< 1352968102 85692 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​$PATH
< 1352968105 567736 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1352968109 96440 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $PATH
< 1352968112 153103 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin
< 1352968135 879539 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, fizzie already did it
< 1352968161 786587 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo bin/tell
< 1352968164 696224 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/tell
< 1352968175 213750 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste cat bin/tell
< 1352968178 322659 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.4674 \ cat: cat bin/tell: No such file or directory
< 1352968183 989234 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/tell
< 1352968187 717918 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.3935
< 1352968217 776914 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/paste
< 1352968221 87610 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.5734
< 1352968754 210640 :segorev!~cherep@193.34.208.210 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1352968821 197138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is cheater such a troll?
< 1352968840 504128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even when he's ostensibly trying to be helpful he's a troll.
< 1352968880 920925 :segorev!~cherep@193.34.208.210 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1352970840 804971 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, something.
< 1352971060 546603 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok sgeo
< 1352971368 915573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, everything.
< 1352971381 212768 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1352971421 45211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, should i stop playing the "say things to monqy game"
< 1352971470 705123 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty old game and maybe should be put out of its misery ?
< 1352971556 327938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1352971567 714080 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352972421 512586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spotted on the wall today: https://www.dropbox.com/s/w27d3bwpo5w9y6e/20121115_001.jpg (For the record, "sähköpääkeskus" = main distribution board, main distribution room.)
< 1352972430 339500 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The non-post-it note has been there for years.)
< 1352973058 729019 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1352975555 76738 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352975849 990256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you think there's a point to adding a spawn-equivalent function to async?
< 1352975904 992362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, why doesn't "dropbox puburl" work? It outputs URLs just fine, but I just get a 404 for them.
< 1352978028 3276 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@137.205.52.73 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1352978167 439111 :Guest64467!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom__Hoover
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< 1352984735 867177 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1352986461 822424 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1352987948 943895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi, are you there?
< 1352987949 283323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 9 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1352988876 508622 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1352989244 943570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/137156/this_is_unacceptable_cabal/ area man uses free software, asks for money back
< 1352989275 709635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Re: your edit, rants have gotten me solutions. They make people who are able to make changes to prevent said rants aware of the problem. I do feel entitled to complain, and I will complain in the future when I feel like something has been a letdown."
< 1352989303 354740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey wouldn't it be great if people didn't help people who asked questions rudely so that this didn't happen!
< 1352989305 750083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should tell #haskell
< 1352989355 687963 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352989933 118228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he doesn't ask for his money back?
< 1352989997 626760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :area man makes analogy as joke, is corrected
< 1352990154 864641 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's just my tendency to side against whoever first says 'entitled'
< 1352990193 976174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot say "This is unacceptable." to a project that never once agreed to do anything for you; it is the definition of entitlement
< 1352990214 998774 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352990237 678966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Area man fights volume man, several length men trampled in the ensuing chaos.
< 1352990256 379473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :area man / area man / area man fights volume man?
< 1352990282 900592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover++
< 1352990299 971948 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :notcopumpkin
< 1352990302 923809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, idk, there are reasonable expectations about what a thing will do 
< 1352990339 655965 :notcopumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1352990354 537264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am having problems with package management because cabal isn't quite as good as it could be" is not one of those reasonable expectations
< 1352990368 900546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This sucks" would be equally rude but not as entitled, for reference
< 1352990383 249374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if you think that post is reasonable then you are probably used to being more hostile than you have a right to is all I can say
< 1352990449 599268 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Before the comments section fills up with objections, I should state that there are many sources of bias in this approach, not least of which are bias in the creation of tasks, bias in the kinds of persons who provide solutions, and selectivity in which tasks have been solved. But if we worry about such problems too much, we never do anything!" -- Wolfram blog
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< 1352996311 248452 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Gateship. It's a ship. It goes through the gate!
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< 1352997479 313079 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1352997517 369771 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-77-11.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey
< 1352997701 505107 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey atriq 
< 1352997701 755658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1352997705 985650 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am going
< 1352997708 411271 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to play df
< 1352997719 982037 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-77-11.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no!
< 1352997724 499477 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :once i get around to modding the minerals to be actually bearable
< 1352997727 762385 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-77-11.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might join you, actually
< 1352997799 679236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't remember what i actually changed though
< 1352998440 322963 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :friiiiiiiscooooo
< 1352998484 998878 :friiiiiiiscooooo!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :nortti
< 1352998558 952207 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-77-11.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, it's running the history now
< 1352998669 191604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1352998994 503966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352999229 335064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1352999240 774062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: for fuck's sake be more careful when pouring tea
< 1352999336 936474 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-77-11.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for those kind of incidents I don't drink tea
< 1352999394 246112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway yeah http://sprunge.us/gbDK
< 1352999407 493220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :patch da
< 1352999418 761405 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :patch raw/objects/inorganic_stone_mineral.txt with that
< 1352999445 452047 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes non-sedimentary layers actually worthwhile.
< 1352999483 243330 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-77-11.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, I just generated a large world
< 1352999596 913664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1352999616 614972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that's incomplete; i haven't added the reaction to turn anthracite to coke yet
< 1352999646 753011 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-77-11.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's no good settlement for me on this world, I'll wait for the final version of your patch
< 1352999868 185412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what do you have against non-sedimentary layers
< 1352999876 113329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :challenge: only use non-sedimentary layers?? see you ruined that challenge
< 1352999898 463406 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In vanilla DF? They're just the things you dig through to get to the magma sea.
< 1353000009 908192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still :'(
< 1353000061 645483 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-77-11.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is a purist
< 1353000100 609566 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Quit: Coyote finally caught me
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< 1353000206 700585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/BjGA for reaction_smelter.txt
< 1353000249 574884 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/BOKD for entity_default.txt
< 1353000278 657138 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-77-11.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are these meant to be appended or to replace?
< 1353000293 209130 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-77-11.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait
< 1353000299 623394 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-77-11.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a notation I've just picked up on
< 1353000334 986043 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a patch file, although the way i did it you can't actually use it with patch
< 1353000346 199583 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as elliott will no doubt delight in mocking me for
< 1353000368 23298 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Client Quit
< 1353000399 584579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mock yourself just fine
< 1353000414 520541 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353000430 149470 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...is there really no way of controlling the file your patch will be applied to?
< 1353000469 900705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1353000690 987626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it seems like the file that actually gets patched is just determined by the header
< 1353000704 713526 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would've expected there'd be a command line option to override taht
< 1353000707 452816 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that
< 1353000745 760204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what you are trying to do
< 1353000824 305121 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...use those diffs with patch to automatically edit the raw files?
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< 1353000950 667795 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-77-11.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the fauna here is one kiwi, one echidna, and three porcupines
< 1353000969 151596 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-77-11.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I can capture the echidna and eat its eggs
< 1353000997 299213 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you in new zealand
< 1353001022 273801 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-77-11.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't find either echidnas or porcupines in New Zealand
< 1353001030 413831 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-77-11.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I am aware
< 1353001039 254246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new zealand, australia, what's the difference
< 1353001087 187537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyway i'm planning to try that pillar fortress again
< 1353001106 16275 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except this time, with minecarts
< 1353001153 732657 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-77-11.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't any porcupines in Australia either
< 1353001218 322936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :new south australia
< 1353001687 308804 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea new zealand..that's where she's gone.. fucking kiwis
< 1353001788 835765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear hagb4rd did your girlfriend leave you for new zealand
< 1353001808 300863 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1353001941 422110 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no porcupine huh?
< 1353001943 845537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn new zealand
< 1353001952 506813 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely
< 1353001953 44249 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his rugged good looks get all the chicks
< 1353001963 539230 :segorev!~cherep@193.34.208.210 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1353001988 78974 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea.. and whome shall i fuck to get in there?
< 1353001995 808114 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353002006 76828 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this option is gone forever
< 1353002058 147220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1353002063 494684 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1353002158 326609 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the... third most surreal thing i've seen this week
< 1353002166 477353 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-77-11.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This chat?
< 1353002179 3163 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd
< 1353002198 497782 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-77-11.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This kind of thing is almost normal for me
< 1353002198 677170 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh that's nothing you should hear me play piano
< 1353002305 755004 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes we should
< 1353002326 537090 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will accept a midi if you dont like ogg
< 1353002562 625215 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1353002663 375295 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-77-11.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1353003148 590795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353003556 912345 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1353003774 5809 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have a tiny riddle if you like.. what am i talking about?
< 1353003779 535133 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's greater than god but more wicked than the devil
< 1353003783 175468 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the poor have it
< 1353003784 203042 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rich need it
< 1353003791 470141 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you eat it
< 1353003793 183847 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you die
< 1353003796 665772 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1353003877 610920 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no it's not elliott)
< 1353003951 46780 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it's elliott
< 1353004160 193007 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd, cyanide
< 1353004211 680189 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no..
< 1353004287 65824 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gur nafjre vf: abguvat
< 1353004776 576739 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooothiiiiiiiiiiiiiing
< 1353004786 832032 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey!
< 1353004792 664069 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we got a winner
< 1353004799 872568 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an old one
< 1353004805 911279 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1353004807 528632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see what's in the box!!
< 1353004818 340117 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's candy
< 1353004832 901315 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you eat it, you die!
< 1353004839 772873 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you eat nothing
< 1353004851 65463 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353004861 617903 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you fed sgeo btw?
< 1353004861 763562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it is elliott guys
< 1353004867 202328 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1353004869 680058 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea
< 1353004915 88431 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott 
< 1353004987 544382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to guess "cock"
< 1353004991 992219 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guy is crazy: http://toastytech.com/files/95browsing.html
< 1353005048 568094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- nortti "64 megs of RAM forever" nortti
< 1353005064 397113 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://toastytech.com/evil/index.html
< 1353005070 995835 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old/new is SeaMonkey 1.1.20pre?
< 1353005094 644743 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: seamonkey 1.1 uses same rendering engine as ff2
< 1353005116 253510 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old is ff2?
< 1353005178 694607 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, 2006, that's not too bad
< 1353005225 571487 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmon.. everything changed in the past six years
< 1353005265 658132 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, not really
< 1353005313 114137 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the folks started to read the documentation of javascript
< 1353005336 492009 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that changed everythign
< 1353005360 909168 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no really. i begin to like it
< 1353005546 474462 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a young demo scene growing out there.. well protected from sight by shitty seo configuration
< 1353005673 724630 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is your cock greater than god?
< 1353005836 705212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah
< 1353005843 696072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bigger than jesus
< 1353006076 854714 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a real oldskool reinvented method of getting things 'animated'..
< 1353006087 809539 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :affecting the palette! http://www.effectgames.com/demos/canvascycle/
< 1353006095 122223 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really like it
< 1353006241 100646 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmon guys tell me you're shedding tears of joy now
< 1353006599 101289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah these are nice
< 1353006746 268548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not just "reinvented", these images were actually created 20 years ago
< 1353006750 434658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.effectgames.com/effect/article.psp.html/joe/Old_School_Color_Cycling_with_HTML5
< 1353006799 244309 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea. but this time iT
< 1353006808 869094 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's donw with canvas and js
< 1353006843 236246 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not the point
< 1353006863 99434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anything, like, have a point, man?
< 1353006916 91136 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The important point is that the colours in the pallete are changing smoothly rather than just changing positions
< 1353006933 987788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that also how they were originally displayed on PC hardware
< 1353006961 852937 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the magick was done by these genious potheads peeking and poking some values around the memory to make it happen
< 1353006972 937724 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that is what i always adored
< 1353007026 462412 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know if they all died in between or what
< 1353007028 818034 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, when you change the VGA palette, it's not a direct memory access
< 1353007032 940567 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to use the OUT instruction
< 1353007039 355589 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're boring me
< 1353007043 74058 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank yo
< 1353007052 730750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1353007053 972880 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The genius part is changing it continuously rather than setting it once and then drawing what you want
< 1353007074 875149 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you changed it fast enough, you could get more than 256 colours on the screen
< 1353007083 136271 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the genious part is some you or me never reach
< 1353007090 876175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dongs
< 1353007103 376130 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: Once you know about it, it's easy to do
< 1353007109 161252 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But thinking it up probably isn't
< 1353007116 897074 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you can go know and copy what you have learned
< 1353007126 410258 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but stop pissing on my grave
< 1353007139 164529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are graves for if not pissing
< 1353007145 488577 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1353007147 582228 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if anyone has a functional urinal as a gravestone
< 1353007151 395966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be pretty cool
< 1353007154 281696 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :subvert the blah blah
< 1353007162 329570 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc :D
< 1353007172 328465 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1353007180 719950 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm impressed with the artist that made the pictures
< 1353007195 522574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some of europe they have these public urinals where are desparately needed in america
< 1353007259 64731 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you click on options, you can see how the palette entries change
< 1353007272 106030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones that are just like one huge piece of plastic with + cross section, shaped into four urinals
< 1353007308 600459 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1353007324 425713 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :catch me if i fall :)
< 1353007337 407032 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc for president!
< 1353007373 423545 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.. thank god(or elliott) we don't need a president here
< 1353007377 814488 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are you going to have your grave be an urinal?
< 1353007393 272466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1353007419 288748 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.. before he dies we will overthink overthrow these ideas
< 1353007436 112885 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe than we come to the conclusion to make it an urinal
< 1353007452 937572 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then
< 1353007462 574647 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit. always do that wrong
< 1353007470 166096 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then than shizzle
< 1353007492 843813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shizzle for rizzle
< 1353007500 169030 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :righty right
< 1353007574 871118 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353007583 125059 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi sgeo
< 1353008021 490422 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like games hagb4rd 
< 1353008080 855037 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i think so. not as much as 10 years ago but.---sure
< 1353008090 494963 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353008091 499282 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what games do you still like
< 1353008128 362742 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the fuckin way: elite4 is coming! (seen elliott?)
< 1353008147 593074 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott was here
< 1353008151 686458 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have talked much bout elite here..did't we?
< 1353008243 699728 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not prefer a genre.. but to give you some names: ian bell, john romero, carmack, molyneux, warren spector.. or lord british richard garriott :>
< 1353008267 830074 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd, uh i don't know what you're so eager about, it's just hype from a has-been yearning for his glory days
< 1353008285 176749 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, hype and the promise of multiplayer
< 1353008299 97709 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: i dont know those names really
< 1353008300 76594 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea.. and i hyped it
< 1353008351 213967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot of talking about procedural generation like it's a panacea in an age when skyrim runs on standard hardware
< 1353008356 734136 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. i won't talk about sensuality with tc machines as you are hoover
< 1353008366 418401 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not this time ;)
< 1353008391 377195 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if i want to discuss your robot fetish anyway
< 1353008395 524612 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y do u ask anyway quin?
< 1353008452 374901 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that we shall never forget things beeing setup for us.. not us for the things
< 1353008459 671095 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah..i did it again
< 1353008474 508471 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b769d.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm out. cu later
< 1353008593 942398 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to play some games
< 1353008594 852275 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1353008599 66766 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want names of games
< 1353008617 240082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :freespace!
< 1353008626 138185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brogue
< 1353008639 282836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said games not shoes
< 1353008747 380107 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kdvr.com/2012/11/08/mile-high-city-mystery-ufo-sightings-in-sky-over-denver/ http://youtu.be/KAROcbv4gco?t=24s
< 1353009246 522964 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1353010453 836205 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of camera do they use that they are too fast to see with the naked eye but the camera captures?
< 1353010476 862895 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :High-fps cameras are pretty specialist equipment
< 1353010678 858123 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-77-11.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353011160 540292 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://plan9.stanleylieber.com/1995/p95.flp
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< 1353011285 742048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that
< 1353011295 535352 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. wrong channel
< 1353011314 697653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is it
< 1353011315 358176 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you want to know it is plan9 on a floppy disk
< 1353011342 963762 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :circa 1995??
< 1353011346 931867 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353011351 735275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353011353 602539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why)
< 1353011357 622455 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1353011359 318127 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not
< 1353011371 978974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION parties
< 1353011380 87379 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the old 8½ windowing system instead of rio
< 1353011415 523367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't 8½ worse than rio in every way tho
< 1353011449 299966 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean from user's or developer's perspective?
< 1353011460 146237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk
< 1353011460 296206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :both
< 1353011466 751595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rio code is pretty simple iirc
< 1353011508 770234 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw rio was released in 2002)
< 1353011521 709454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1353011522 402938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so?
< 1353011537 780440 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were thinking why it didn't have rio
< 1353011568 483741 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/NotANark
< 1353011571 878490 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353011609 909064 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1353011683 872617 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well from developers perspective there seems to be not very many differences that I can tell with quick look and on user's perscpective 8½ and rio both work about the same
< 1353012455 903161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: haha
< 1353013060 89950 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1353013759 640668 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help
< 1353013762 723747 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a voter
< 1353013808 647066 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well there's your problem.
< 1353014016 578602 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1353014254 480689 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1353014258 956117 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
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< 1353016096 426033 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1353017222 747550 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.cafepress.com/?p=12190 Behold as CafePress proposes a bad solution to an irrelevant problem! Because they just couldn't stay the hell out of politics ^^
< 1353017276 965436 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1353017280 375289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you have been trolled Gregor
< 1353017335 927206 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That just made me think of Gregor in grey face-paint and with orange horns
< 1353017355 134391 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's obvious that they're only posting about it to try to ride the politics wave, but that's not the same as trolling.
< 1353017366 694319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: u realise that post is pretty obviously a joke rite
< 1353017443 954729 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1353017454 355909 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353017454 518647 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dood, ur lying, photoshop “make watercolor” filter + printing on canvas = COST SAVINGS
< 1353017468 11958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :split hairs all you like, what i mean is that it's a not terribly serious suggestion, intended to get linked around by people as viral marketing
< 1353017468 527562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1353017576 982043 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1353017627 103534 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1353017630 411846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1353017657 75720 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whitespace
< 1353017663 605254 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1353017670 598310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's all program in Whitespace and get brickbrained
< 1353017945 565706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh
< 1353017954 754558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whitespace isn't a brainfuck derivative
< 1353017987 692916 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whitefuck.  doubles as the official esolang of stormfront
< 1353017990 561780 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there is another rogue brickster about
< 1353017994 212122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really
< 1353017997 762745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mistake
< 1353018010 287741 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1353018018 674608 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should add it to my polyglot then
< 1353018024 230976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was also made by one of epigram's creators so i can't really brickbrain him
< 1353018053 51073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: What if I make a Whitespace derivative?
< 1353018055 823874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is my brain safe?
< 1353018084 113168 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Black and White and Read All Over?
< 1353018143 592314 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353018200 808511 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello guys
< 1353018201 177489 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1353018208 527600 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, people love me
< 1353018213 372488 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1353018213 703808 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 19d 9h 21m 11s ago: that doesn't quite fit my intuition of "reversible" as it seems at best injective and not bijective. btw have you looked at Kayak?
< 1353018214 29338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia said 13h 59m 36s ago: it starts at the beginning of the program, just like the instruction pointer.
< 1353018240 221757 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353018276 79891 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: about your "circlejerk.ml" comment: was it just a joke in reaction to something I had said, or do I really behave like a jerk?
< 1353018291 149553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't, sorry
< 1353018300 217828 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok thank you
< 1353018302 782875 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was discussion of circular buffers
< 1353018315 811891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was like "hmm, what's like circles but funny? circlejerks, because penis"
< 1353018321 184548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is roughly how my mind works
< 1353018352 889626 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I get the pun but at least I'm sure now :)
< 1353018354 321589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: trying to interpret things kmc says?
< 1353018356 388904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny joke!!
< 1353018360 714622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1353018362 58778 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is with irc you never know how other people perceive you
< 1353018366 197893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353018367 471852 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3:
< 1353018367 994894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand
< 1353018378 599254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can confirm this is a good first-order approximation of kmc's mind.
< 1353018380 756548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just assume kmc hates everyone
< 1353018388 661434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo i like you all
< 1353018408 56247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, even Vorpal
< 1353018414 793615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i guess he isn't actually annoying nowadays
< 1353018415 43983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure
< 1353018419 296939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i thought of someone else but they're in the channel
< 1353018420 868504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can't say it
< 1353018422 631066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1353018425 316713 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny and a bit depressing when elliott and kmc start talking about the Big Bang Theory (TV channel)
< 1353018429 72214 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*show
< 1353018430 784636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not itidus is it
< 1353018442 505263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: fsvo talking about equal to idly dissing
< 1353018442 654300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone likes itidus!
< 1353018445 479694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also didn't that happen like once
< 1353018448 488236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no it's
< 1353018452 725089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1353018452 870675 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, at least twice
< 1353018459 900883 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it me
< 1353018463 269812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: book by faulkner
< 1353018473 606449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't read
< 1353018487 313815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: macbeth quote??
< 1353018506 697932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: signifying nothing
< 1353018511 941750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353018523 595893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1353018530 255528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :man that took like 15 lines
< 1353018533 250226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i totally deserve more than whatever
< 1353018534 705630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you suck, kmc
< 1353018541 627413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat a dick
< 1353018552 450662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat a dick truancy-bot
< 1353018554 103032 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I forgot I had Pink Floyd on this computer
< 1353018562 287147 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a huge fan of Pink Floyd
< 1353018564 542700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey has pbf updated since last time i checked
< 1353018572 982334 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope.
< 1353018573 913152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haspbfupdatedsinceelliottlastchecked.com
< 1353018576 168427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goshe it has
< 1353018939 77275 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has eler updated though
< 1353019114 597081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, the robotfindskitten dev list has been *full* of ESR lately.
< 1353019232 390278 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353019414 428050 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1353019434 337890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 2 people in this channel who have projects that esr thinks himself the central figure of?
< 1353019443 323788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that guy
< 1353019453 658822 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is esr
< 1353019462 672638 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbf?
< 1353019471 438749 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perry Bible Fellowship
< 1353019510 251389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure about "central figure"; though I did get the feeling from the posts that he's very proud of his git prowess.
< 1353019510 944381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a shameless self-promoter who has latched onto the free software movement and declared himself a central figure despite doing fuck all
< 1353019540 193386 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that guy
< 1353019554 85094 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite proud of my git prowess
< 1353019560 412493 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That eric raymond guy
< 1353019565 880323 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a funny face
< 1353019567 870850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wink-wink, nudge-nudge?
< 1353019579 640522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/NAKQ mainly from that.
< 1353019653 240704 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a2/Esr.jpg
< 1353019662 671382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what esr's ego measures in wolframs
< 1353019676 717425 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 megawolframs
< 1353019681 86666 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: uh
< 1353019685 592211 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: the scale tops out at 1
< 1353019926 830439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'll do the merge work - I have a *lot* of experience at this sort of thing and in general at making VCSes do tricks. It won't take long."  Also that. But I can't find the message where his advertised-in-advance highly clever script for CVS-to-git conversion was published; it was about eight lines around a "git cvsimport".
< 1353019973 738831 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353020029 328745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wrote a program to scrape your project data out of sourceforge or whatever
< 1353020043 887118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was like 2000 lines of perl using regexes to 'parse' HTML
< 1353020058 576022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it got posted to Hacker News
< 1353020068 362178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Man, the robotfindskitten dev list has been *full* of ESR lately.
< 1353020070 101113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my condolences
< 1353020081 457114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the half of the site that hadn't heard of him was like "uh, this is ok for a beginner, but you should really learn about parsers and code style and stuff"
< 1353020098 396312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other half was like "This is ESR!!!!! He wrote the book about how to be a hacker! His code is genius!!!!!"
< 1353020104 567182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the other half saying but it's ERIC s. RAYMOND  don't you KNOW who that IS
< 1353020109 793074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1353020134 17375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so is esr actually on the rfk devteam :(
< 1353020195 689435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, here's the "good tool"; http://sprunge.us/bPVd (Or maybe ESR wrote git cvsimport? I don't know.)
< 1353020265 941579 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess; he sent a few patches and has been really active about this repository thing. That probably qualifies.
< 1353020288 199811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reinforces my dedication to avoid self-identifying as a 'hacker'
< 1353020291 924508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i like his html signature
< 1353020305 113792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's ok that's what esr "i am a hacker" esr tells people to do anyway
< 1353020313 653745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1353020317 816372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes
< 1353020321 224902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit
< 1353020322 710658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hacker is a title of honour!!
< 1353020323 222946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm a hacker :(
< 1353020325 848305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people have to bestow it on you
< 1353020332 846526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry ur code is shit lmao im never going to call you a hacker
< 1353020336 15444 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aim hecked
< 1353020352 172213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the main way you get to be a hacker is to argue on hacker news about what it means to be a hacker
< 1353020358 502471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also to care a lot about what paul graham and esr say
< 1353020435 96457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WordPress.com accepts Bitcoin (en.blog.wordpress.com)
< 1353020445 793467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god i always wanted to give wordpress.com money!!
< 1353020447 110192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks hacker news
< 1353020461 344489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(jesus christ the author's picture)
< 1353020515 628549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the whole rfk-dev has been totally quiet since Nov 8. Maybe ESR is on a tour somewhere?
< 1353020518 655779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know why I'm on the list, it's not like I have anything to do with the "POSIX version".
< 1353020529 492920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did they ever add you to the site
< 1353020533 987508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe esr vetoed it
< 1353020538 104079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that guy made fun of me on IRC once!!"
< 1353020564 241071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did, as first of N new ports that were going to be revealed.
< 1353020566 570202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: apparently everybody loves eric raymond is still stuck on its last comic which was a joke about how it hadn't updated for a year
< 1353020590 327730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then K, where K < N, actually were, and things again quieted all the way down.
< 1353020609 921549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until these recent happenings.
< 1353020653 490733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://robotfindskitten.org/aw.cgi?main=software.rfk#ti86 -- there it is.
< 1353020726 524577 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel left out, having never used a TI calculator
< 1353020729 625619 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus, that has almost as many ports as Doom
< 1353020755 967836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the uk we just use casios
< 1353020838 266253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have "the TI crowd" and the "crowd HP the" (it's a RPN joke), and they're very antagonistic.
< 1353020884 998615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it be "HP crowd the"
< 1353020890 824074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a op b" becomes "a b op", after all
< 1353020914 193796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the words in question do. But anyway.
< 1353020944 211192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a TI-86 just because there was a whole-class discount order thing; I didn't really know anything about the camps back then.
< 1353021008 269994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The calculator scene might be very different these days though.
< 1353021050 420684 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know one person with a TI
< 1353021074 469809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TI has gone fancy (ARM?) with the... TI-Nspire series, and from what I hear HP now bundles infix mode in their calculators, though it's still just optional.
< 1353021101 410813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :go back to reverse poland
< 1353021120 925592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dnalop
< 1353021440 818642 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1353022124 7469 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1353022557 610255 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1353022561 624675 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, stargate sg-1 is getting really boring
< 1353022576 234557 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even michael shanks looks bored
< 1353022587 944958 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh, religious fanatics. yeah, been done that road before."
< 1353022603 33891 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1353022605 974483 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What season are you on?
< 1353022611 66466 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beginning of season 9
< 1353022628 205795 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I need *you* to tell me why I should keep watching
< 1353022638 852567 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353022655 90135 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Because it never became a space soap opera, like all the other sci-fis are now.
< 1353022682 574963 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to say the truth I haven't been wathing that much sci-fi
< 1353022722 524023 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a friend convinced me that stargate was so great, and got me hooked up
< 1353022733 772286 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the first episodes he showed me was "window of opportunity"
< 1353022762 236288 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, those auri guys suck, don't they?
< 1353022786 898049 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353022793 556345 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-183-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You went past the point it should have ended, of course you're bored.
< 1353022801 895953 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a reason why it got canceled at S10 :)
< 1353022810 168194 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :figured that much
< 1353022812 938750 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-183-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole Auri thing is "... Why haven't we been canceled yet? We wrapped up all conflict!"
< 1353022815 801741 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :When they'd totally expended their main enemy and were just grasping for straws, that was the end.
< 1353022836 76236 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the final battle was somewhat boring as well
< 1353022862 283191 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw, you haven't seen the movie w/ whats-his-face yet, THAT'S the final Goa'uld battle.
< 1353022864 7781 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I must say I liked the original replicators and it's a shame they went down that easy
< 1353022876 452318 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the Ark of Truth movie?
< 1353022885 388377 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, are you in goa'uld land again
< 1353022899 42269 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I figured since it seemed to have been shot in 2008 I had to watch the series to the end first
< 1353022924 159706 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: The series is far from unwatchable in S9-10, just don't expect it to be as good as the rest *shrugs*
< 1353022924 703004 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1353022928 726612 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's kinda the issue with the replicators: they made them so powerful that it's always a "all or nothing" thing)
< 1353023028 806544 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'll try to watch a few more before I make an opinion
< 1353023070 381746 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://spdblotter.seattle.gov/2012/11/09/marijwhatnow-a-guide-to-legal-marijuana-use-in-seattle/
< 1353023088 572995 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was a huge disappointment. the wraith seem better than the auri but still way less interesting than the goa'uld
< 1353023100 864855 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I suspect they've been using one actor to play *all* the wraith
< 1353023144 524316 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though that would explain why the lower-ranked wraith all wear a mask that hides their face completely-
< 1353023207 132031 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-183-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wraith were at least invented as more than "Oh shit, we still need to make episodes?.
< 1353023285 229194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also, you probably shouldn’t bring pot with you to the federal courthouse"
< 1353023304 705066 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-183-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, *really*?
< 1353023317 628175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah federalism
< 1353023339 195730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is surely what the founding fathers had in mind
< 1353023346 301612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can i smoke up at the post office???
< 1353023360 896783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not within 30 feet.
< 1353023364 848488 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353023368 168398 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-183-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone *knows* the Founding Fathers wanted a strong central government.
< 1353023371 248206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, but have they kidnapped crichton and aeryn yet
< 1353023376 903724 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who
< 1353023399 501105 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-183-148.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why they put in the interstate commerce clause!
< 1353023400 261659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in boardwalk empire the prohies set up at the post office because it's the only federal building in atlantic city
< 1353023408 200751 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OH U
< 1353023412 490594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly in real life as well
< 1353023429 238573 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean, velociraptors' crichton?
< 1353023502 900104 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mitchell, apparently
< 1353023508 658212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :man those lines at the post office are long too
< 1353023516 863929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mal doran
< 1353023586 190009 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353023605 701738 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how every description of claudia black's character on wikipedia features 'sexy' in the first sentence
< 1353023712 580757 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353023794 248404 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1353023808 692105 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is their a goa'uld glider in the opening sequence
< 1353023848 488012 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm gonna assume claudia black portrays that weird alien girl who's fond of daniel jackson and dresses like a dominatrix)
< 1353023849 874425 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1353023856 531492 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct
< 1353023869 834250 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353023899 865708 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to believe she's gonna replace major carter
< 1353023913 970314 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, oh, she hasn't changed too much since farscape then
< 1353023930 11917 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the beginning of episode 4 was *so* expected
< 1353023942 994882 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :p/win 1
< 1353023960 6854 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is episode 4/
< 1353023961 939615 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1353023971 738848 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one after they solved the initial intrigue
< 1353023987 476678 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1353023988 956227 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one
< 1353023991 683994 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, episode 1-2-3 deal with going to avalon and into another galaxy
< 1353023999 726775 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's it called
< 1353024005 676272 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at the end of episode 4, she takes the cuffs off
< 1353024013 211195 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, at the end of episode 3, sorry
< 1353024018 875687 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and episode 4 starts with her leaving
< 1353024036 574724 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with unsurprising "oh hey I was hiding an artefact in my pocket" scenes
< 1353024043 754627 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1353024043 915192 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then daniel jackson collapses
< 1353024046 547692 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and she's back
< 1353024050 546339 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shocker*
< 1353024064 498552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was he an artefact-powered robot
< 1353024068 579392 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the opening sequence starts, and that's where I am
< 1353024119 290131 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is a goa'uld glider in the opening sequence, that's... disturbing
< 1353024132 478227 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess they should be called "jaffa glider" now, or something
< 1353024155 499190 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so these goa'uld haven't invented the aer
< 1353024157 772928 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oplane
< 1353024163 675969 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.11.42 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353024176 972185 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooooow Amanda Tapping is still in the sequence
< 1353024186 821577 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird
< 1353024208 328023 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well from what I could gather from the 8 first seasons the goa'uld haven't invented anything
< 1353024222 600150 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just stick around for millenia and took stuff from about every culture in the galaxy
< 1353024230 310572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the airplane?
< 1353024257 834020 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353024260 461946 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then 3 people from earth discover the stargate, and a couple years later, the goa'uld are all dead
< 1353024275 820512 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it was an accident, we swear"
< 1353024295 176310 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they have a tendency to start all-out galactic wars by accident
< 1353024321 66018 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that's how season 9 starts :(
< 1353024334 714207 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.46.251 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1353024363 885787 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh hey, now we at last are gonna have peace in our galaxy! finally! hey what's that device?" *teleports to another galaxy* *start an all-out intergalactic war* "oops"
< 1353024441 576826 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1353024442 929577 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works for atlantis too (though in that case I guess they only "awakened" a war that had been slowly going on for the past ten millenia)
< 1353024482 812280 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353024502 165793 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, the dominatrix girl is definitely not in the opening sequence
< 1353024744 146736 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cosplayisland.co.uk/files/costumes/1333/26176/Vala%20Mal%20Doran.png
< 1353024752 226031 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think *that* looks dominatrixy?
< 1353025230 638730 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-185-123.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353025234 896170 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-183-148.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353025557 206919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1353025668 279341 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1353025764 487389 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353026753 489133 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: dazzle me
< 1353026813 189461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1353026859 652044 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thescifiworld.net/img/interviews/raelee_hill_03.jpg
< 1353026871 26359 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(she did make an entry in the previous season dressed in one of those darth vader clone trooper outfits)
< 1353026888 250853 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, is that the same actress?
< 1353026916 382976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, aeryn's costumes generally just have an overabundance of leather
< 1353026943 131472 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv2EWaCPRz8
< 1353027021 455310 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1353027121 801827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's most of the rest of that season, but i can't be arsed to check if it's on youtube
< 1353028025 163346 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1353033048 686351 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :random thought of the day before I wish you sweat dreams:
< 1353033079 369824 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I give my blood every other month until I'm too old
< 1353033100 601997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweat dreams
< 1353033103 196660 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a risk to develop a left elbow cancer?
< 1353033134 164573 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just felt I had to share that thought :-)
< 1353033151 345005 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Gateship. It's a ship. It goes through the gate!
< 1353033493 793799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "nondeterminacies" a word
< 1353034009 359309 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew
< 1353034020 137003 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :arc wished us sweat dreams?
< 1353034037 274412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the gross version of wet dreams"
< 1353034043 242462 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even "nightmares"
< 1353034085 214978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1353034211 286584 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you want indeterminacies probably
< 1353034226 801569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm still not allowed to give blood
< 1353034250 284183 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm ineligible until next november
< 1353034278 331882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think indeterminacies means something slightly different
< 1353034289 926427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to talk specifically about the parts of a system which are nondeterministic, rather than just the ones whose state i don't know
< 1353034294 602633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted that is something of a subjective distinction
< 1353034366 977074 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then say "nondeterminstic subsystem"
< 1353034393 901576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew
< 1353035693 844779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1353037406 718998 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I'm being adored by my gf and her parents for what I consider to be basic human decency.
< 1353037560 559538 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the exact same feeling from my gf, oddly enough.
< 1353037771 360602 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in this case, it's more one specific thing that happened today
< 1353038369 808162 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION inquires
< 1353038648 131735 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another way to phrase that is "i don't give myself enough credit for being a good person"
< 1353038716 217306 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd accept that phrasing.
< 1353039442 488092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353041134 498753 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, didn't see your inquiries
< 1353041137 581448 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inquires
< 1353041202 688232 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gf was feeling very sick at school and upset at being sick. I met up with her as soon as she texted (I was on campus), stayed with her at medical office, and until she got a cab to go home
< 1353041219 493921 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1353041470 62650 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, poje
< 1353041474 327563 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :poke
< 1353041483 565357 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Hmm.
< 1353042067 638317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poje
< 1353042118 507201 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Poje", Finnish for "poke"
< 1353045762 982431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :play -n synth 5 sine 350 sine 440 channels 1
< 1353046302 557532 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353046320 383892 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Bye
< 1353046579 611661 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it pathetic that I'm using a Java decompiler on a .jar I made?
< 1353046668 487704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not pathetic, just a little bit funny
< 1353046676 725647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do what you gotta do Sgeo
< 1353046687 780653 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have to do it
< 1353046700 996420 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other ways for me to view the code
< 1353046708 508068 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just right now I find the decompiler the most convenient
< 1353046734 143788 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did not download the decompiler for this particular .jar, but for another one for which a decompiler actually makes sense)
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< 1353048453 792520 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius
< 1353048761 367424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:44  mostly what I wanted to know when I came here was a general idea of why Haskell did everything with monads so I could see the way the languages was coming together in my mind as I progressed  through the tutorials.
< 1353048773 909726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the Internet so misleading? :-(
< 1353048829 922374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1353049243 718587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no i've learned how to use bash arrays
< 1353049318 552651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i have written some silly commands, like
< 1353049319 327321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f() { echo : synth 0.2 sine $1 sine $2 channels 1 pad 0 0.1; }; play -n synth 2 sine 350 sine 440 channels 1 $(f 1336 852) $(f 1477 770) $(f 1209 852) $(f 1336 770) $(f 1477 697) $(f 1336 941) $(f 1477 852) : synth 2 sine 440 sine 480 channels 1 pad 0 4 repeat 99
< 1353049420 721460 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353049501 73307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That's a weird experience.
< 1353049588 826580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Context?
< 1353049611 785919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1353049627 598947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which experience is weird
< 1353049630 739746 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning to use bash arrays?
< 1353049637 519825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The phone dial thing.
< 1353049659 374820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just the sound of dialing a phone
< 1353049674 208967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unexpected, and even though I'd just run the command I immediately wondered what phone the sound was coming from.
< 1353049682 338838 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1353049764 148099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it 8675309? 
< 1353049787 185552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a song.
< 1353049805 832379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, is it that Jenny thing? 
< 1353049808 114045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I've ever heard the actual song.
< 1353049821 800344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I haven't heard it, but I have heard of it.
< 1353049832 976781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not often enough to recognize the number.
< 1353049863 232619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you decoded it
< 1353049920 170834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit sad I didn't get to decode it from a waveform.
< 1353049931 724319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would've felt so CSI-ish, I believe.
< 1353049957 599476 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's in redbook. Fortunately, I speak redbook!"
< 1353049971 236917 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This was not a request for making a waveform with some other DTMF digits, I've got actual work to do.)
< 1353050008 542563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :DTMF decoding was one of the Matlab exercises on the introduction-to-DSP course, I think.
< 1353050021 179412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Death To Motherfuckers decoding
< 1353050039 841681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the true meaning of christmas???
< 1353050104 262366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353051504 479513 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether to be impressed by JSONP or disgusted that it needs to exist.
< 1353051560 665584 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: Yes.
< 1353051618 857364 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I feel like a derp for only realizing the horrific security implications after having read that part of the Wikipedia article.
< 1353051870 576460 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353052407 157512 :w64code4670!~w64code46@189-72-95-109.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353052437 126688 :w64code4670!~w64code46@189-72-95-109.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br PRIVMSG #esoteric :God! www.mejesus.com
< 1353052499 546142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's-a me, Mario."
< 1353052515 850646 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :w64code4670: I think you accidentally the protocol.
< 1353052537 137082 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m going to assume you meant gopher://
< 1353052635 695020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assumed HTTP, but I think I assumed wrong, because there an ArgumentOutOfRangeException in c:\domains\mejesus.com\wwwroot\App_Code\MeCulture.cs, on the line if(avaliable.Contains(s.ToLower().Substring(0, 5))). (That's one detailed error message.)
< 1353052703 815123 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So… not avaliable.
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< 1353058089 623554 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius
< 1353058190 159800 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1353058190 312334 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1353058920 575184 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1353059911 230838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353059972 424740 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1353060789 319397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rumors of my death etc. etc.
< 1353060789 720669 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1353060795 694062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1353060795 972538 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf said 13d 10h 33m 36s ago: sorry
< 1353060822 212121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poignant.
< 1353060834 21031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf YOU WILL BE SORRY
< 1353060834 335044 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1353060857 638503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages oerjan
< 1353060858 30231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 24s ago: YOU WILL BE SORRY
< 1353060863 395676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan
< 1353060871 928861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :we missed you :'(
< 1353060877 364997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't help that shachaf missed that i'd been there just two days before
< 1353060894 296935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't logread.
< 1353060913 125079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What was I sorry for, again?
< 1353060922 359380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, haven't got to that part yet
< 1353061051 388665 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1353061068 552024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:40:06:  shachaf: Maybe you shouldn't make jokes about oerjan dying.
< 1353061071 594260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:40:29:  @tell oerjan sorry
< 1353061127 7750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Were they at least funny jokes? 
< 1353061172 41699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they were undetectable jokes
< 1353061181 513590 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1353061181 831648 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages.
< 1353061188 454344 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @tell shachaf @messages
< 1353061188 840953 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Consider it noted.
< 1353061228 266064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @tell ion @messages
< 1353061228 601823 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Consider it noted.
< 1353061240 971665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@
< 1353061245 366888 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @tell shachaf @messages
< 1353061245 659306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Consider it noted.
< 1353061249 123600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1353061249 454127 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion said 3s ago: shachaf said 17s ago: ion said 40s ago: You don't have any new messages.
< 1353061281 759926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So you didn't die?
< 1353061283 698822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened?
< 1353061296 569737 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite shachaf’s best efforts?
< 1353061306 194091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I bet he's logreading this right now <-- WOW SPOOKY
< 1353061326 581002 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1353061330 967596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: No way! oerjan > /me / 3
< 1353061347 153432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a "fat guy" joke?
< 1353061348 536717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that notation
< 1353061372 881080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You're worth barely a third of a shachaf, I think.
< 1353061386 869932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1353061394 931929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :*more than* a third!
< 1353061402 343407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :People! Pay attention!
< 1353061410 5678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Speaking of which, have you used any lenses lately?
< 1353061434 732357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, my eyesight is ... ok maybe i should have checked it again.
< 1353061450 874173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*it checked
< 1353061618 546481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now the people in the logs are _actually_ joking about my death.
< 1353061653 292571 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353061656 592043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it went downhill from there.
< 1353061669 754666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't do it, oerjan!
< 1353061671 830221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't logread!
< 1353061683 153532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i'm just searching for my nick...
< 1353061693 835544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no intention of reading _everything_
< 1353061886 932340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just searched for your nick too.
< 1353061892 758816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Downhill" is kind of mildly put.
< 1353062250 752458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm still logged in on esolang on this computer
< 1353062284 280331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sort of expected logouts to be global for a nick
< 1353063390 432599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Trying a reboot
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< 1353069167 533645 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :poonikins the magic warrior princess http://youtu.be/rt4p9A-U4Ko
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< 1353072882 603587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1353080355 65637 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1353080714 929645 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi.
< 1353082618 547054 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1353083921 867155 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, carriage interpreter in Ocaml seems to be working
< 1353085056 464738 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay!
< 1353085088 667334 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was writing in Haskell, but I don't know if I'll bother
< 1353085176 493068 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because CPressey already did
< 1353085230 1119 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On another note, how easy is it to set my computer up as a proxy server?
< 1353085338 435801 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that depends a proxy server for whom
< 1353085348 999109 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :buuuuut I really don't know anything about it
< 1353085588 460900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what kind of proxy
< 1353085597 343421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Are You Really Trying To Do (tm)
< 1353085649 148355 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who Knows
< 1353085652 976755 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tm)
< 1353086135 220415 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353086280 855354 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353087553 506020 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the candidate I voted for lost quite badly
< 1353087585 959945 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353088049 708230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what?
< 1353088053 284166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fedora code name?
< 1353088081 369710 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Police and Crime Commissioner
< 1353088091 122754 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much less important
< 1353088102 724946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353088129 907952 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, 16.4% turnout
< 1353088134 532492 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not many people care
< 1353088203 748925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353088245 170198 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1353088258 49465 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (56 + 26.6) + 10.6
< 1353088259 745464 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  93.19999999999999
< 1353088451 404706 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353088527 569768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: Are you SURE? 
< 1353088550 121424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't it print 93.2, HASKELL SUCKS
< 1353088560 267353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353088569 127230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, even the Windows calculator is better! (Disclaimer: didn't test Windows calculator.)
< 1353088604 323933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :windows calculator is 5 times as fast because it has fewer assembly instructions (disclaimer: did not measure speed) (disclaimer: did not look at disassembly)
< 1353088619 264663 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Because it doesn't use decimal/fixed-precision arithmetic by default
< 1353088662 667727 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows calculator calculates 2^100000 like a champ. Yep.
< 1353088718 154526 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE A BOSS
< 1353088773 900305 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2.0^100000 -- LIKE A CHUM
< 1353088775 619663 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Infinity
< 1353088780 943586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're impressed by your “haskell” tag answers on Stack Overflow. We appreciate your contributions, and would like to invite you to create a professional profile on Stack Overflow Careers 2.0.
< 1353088781 89144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Careers 2.0 profile is a great place to showcase your professional work as a programmer – Stack Exchange answers, open source projects, even the books you’ve read.
< 1353088781 89363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Click here to accept the invitation. It’s free!
< 1353088790 414658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys I already have an account I just don't use it
< 1353088820 139347 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got that email once
< 1353088824 776642 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ignored it hardcore
< 1353088842 869255 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz like...doesnt every poster get one?
< 1353088859 798430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that yes
< 1353088880 289242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually do have a shitload of rep from the haskell tag though so if there was a reasonable threshold I would probably cross it
< 1353089012 873567 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1353089144 622605 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :doliator
< 1353089349 783451 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivia: GEDCOM doesn't support people having more than 999 children
< 1353089509 227679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how many have had that.
< 1353089606 593637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall that a significant fraction of asians are decended from the same man, theorized to be genghis khan.  although that doesn't mean he'd have had to have that many directly.
< 1353089614 442310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*descended
< 1353089658 205750 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard 0.5% of everyone, and 5% of Asians
< 1353089665 64988 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He did rape, pillage, and burn a lot.
< 1353089672 969900 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he focused on the first, he could maybe manage it,.
< 1353089794 597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you look far enough into the future, odds are extremely high that either everyone alive is descended from you, or nobody is
< 1353089828 147947 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353089859 701504 :doliator!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1353089889 502900 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 93.2 may be a more correct approximation, but it would mislead you into believing the answer is exactly 93.2
< 1353089917 682846 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas everyone knows what 93.1999999999999 means!
< 1353090005 453100 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: would it be possible that every person x from generation (far enough into the future) is descended from *every* person y from generation (present)?
< 1353090022 104184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlikely
< 1353090026 394762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people will have their line die out
< 1353090028 598762 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming we dump those who don't have kids
< 1353090035 935702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you have kids, your kids might not
< 1353090054 212323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: obviously it should use interval arithmetic by default
< 1353090055 600592 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are also isolated groups, like the sentinelese.
< 1353090060 570334 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I mean, if my kids don't have kids, then we dump my kids, thus I don't have kids, thus we dump me
< 1353090085 237741 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sad story)
< 1353090158 85681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353090691 208258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be possible that for some pair of generations, everyone who has descendants has all of the others as descendants
< 1353090728 361429 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :./carriage '11+$11+111+@!'
< 1353090728 537315 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fatal error: exception Carriage.EXPLOSION
< 1353090732 395615 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: :(
< 1353090778 523881 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I finally got my SB Live card working under windows 7, with the alpha kX drivers. What a difference to the crappy on board Intel "HD" it is.
< 1353090799 62446 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that's what should be expected when being overconfident and putting raise (EXPLOSION) everywhere where something might go wrong, with no indication as to *what* went wrong
< 1353090836 121636 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :examples 1 and 3 work fine, though
< 1353090841 247450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :raise TheRoof
< 1353090884 597703 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is it that uses "raise" to throw exceptions?
< 1353090902 566152 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ocaml does
< 1353090906 238938 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1353090959 563917 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :C does… ^^
< 1353090972 318671 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also use    failwith "some text here"   , which is equivalent to    let _ = raise (Failure "some text here") in ()
< 1353091010 103642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t raise
< 1353091011 913518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `raise'
< 1353091019 3003 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, it is equivalent to    ignore (raise (Failure "some text here"))
< 1353091040 202783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Exception a => a -> b
< 1353091040 769381 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Exception.Base throw :: Exception e => e -> a
< 1353091041 162359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Exception throw :: Exception e => e -> a
< 1353091041 308231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.OldException throw :: Exception e => e -> a
< 1353091122 819073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like i should say something about ocaml sucking
< 1353091170 456071 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go ahead
< 1353091193 596707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocaml sux
< 1353091203 319325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm yes
< 1353091207 29715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite
< 1353091418 493264 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :F♯ is AWESOME tho 8-D
< 1353091437 230694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :props for using correct sharp symbol
< 1353091456 794311 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I was actually referring to the musical note.
< 1353091460 683971 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language is fucking terrible.
< 1353091468 429228 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should make a language called F♯ A♯ ∞
< 1353091482 239322 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353091505 399635 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353092083 343220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you know that C Sharp is actually officially C#
< 1353092086 704576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not C♯
< 1353092101 77841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think there actually is an A♯
< 1353092107 740655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all someone has to do is make ∞ and then write a polyglot in 'em
< 1353092188 315588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks
< 1353092288 746777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you suck kmc
< 1353092400 714072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably so
< 1353092409 885921 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suck myself??
< 1353092565 73681 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1353092941 662476 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grah GEDCOM is so ridiculously complicated
< 1353093054 147053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: now i am arguing with a friend about whether south sentinel island should count as an independent country
< 1353093062 650862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have international recognition, but neither do some other things he counts
< 1353093075 754379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have complete control over their territory and its foreign policy and trade
< 1353093079 923134 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why no one tell me about this https://github.com/orangeduck/CPP_COMPLETE
< 1353093152 439167 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha, you're welcome
< 1353093257 267505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :their claim to such is not really disputed either
< 1353093357 676844 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't they officially just sort of vaguely "administrated" by the indian government?
< 1353093368 54172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353093432 833544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ultimately just this should be enough for turing completeness. Using these truth tables one could theoretically make a binary computer much like has been done in systems such Conway's Game of Life or even Minecraft."
< 1353093435 703178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's only finite memory goddamn it
< 1353093438 218680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :charlatan
< 1353093493 226309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good it gets fixed later
< 1353093497 24863 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that sounded off to me too, but it does look like what he actually created /is/ at least a LBA
< 1353093501 345002 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm more disappointed that he didn't use NAND instead of AND
< 1353093574 177727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/*! Empty Data Array - Extend for more Cells */
< 1353093574 323538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define BF_DATA_EMPTY() (0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0)
< 1353093574 813222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1353093578 237927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not a proof of turing completeness
< 1353093580 45040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go home everybody
< 1353093626 964563 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This should be really easy why isn't this really easy :(
< 1353093629 135390 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that, this.
< 1353093638 622352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of karma.
< 1353093649 824185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma atriq 
< 1353093651 629363 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq has a karma of 1
< 1353093698 264395 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a TC proof, but it is a passable implementation of BF
< 1353094070 190646 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353094072 664859 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I thought it was more readable without the plainpres
< 1353094076 748855 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(talking about LOCK)
< 1353094092 811177 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it would be better as a "horizontal" table?
< 1353094129 449668 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the point of it being vertical is you can see identation
< 1353094133 273072 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indentation
< 1353094147 129574 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353094165 256861 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec 3>&2 > >(ts >> log) 2>&1
< 1353094387 75507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1353094412 774156 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sense some disagreement in that okay
< 1353094422 414147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the force is strong in this one
< 1353094425 230466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*with
< 1353094452 891774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed O KAY
< 1353094700 629653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT IT'S RIGHT THERE HOW COULD YOU MISS IT
< 1353094723 958542 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :must be some disturbance in the force
< 1353094741 832275 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: how's your fueue interpreter going?
< 1353094745 743400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1353094761 986055 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, I had a really weird error
< 1353094771 15366 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That worked differently when I tried to debug it
< 1353094785 550805 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me more I want to laugh too
< 1353094801 682932 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said weird, not funny
< 1353094803 830808 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But anyway
< 1353094826 242978 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running oerjan's Thue-Morse sequence program, it printed 0 then got caught in an infinite loop
< 1353094830 715196 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I tried to debug it
< 1353094855 121487 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It printed "011" and errored trying to print an invalid character
< 1353094938 542007 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And because the code is awful, I'm gonna clear it and try again
< 1353094993 713033 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353095013 494009 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353095034 532923 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might have run is similar bugs
< 1353095061 523126 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you agree we blame this on your Thue-Morse sequence program?
< 1353095068 523466 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not
< 1353095094 44873 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I asked Oerjan
< 1353095240 401544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well is there any interpreter which _does_ run it with the intended result?
< 1353095283 930181 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mines do
< 1353095292 374955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good.
< 1353095299 159490 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they did have some problems the first times they encountered it
< 1353095300 161971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case, no.
< 1353095330 549046 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, just because one or two interpreters interpret it correctly, you assume there is nothing wrong with it?!
< 1353095345 146971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, that's the standard policy, right?
< 1353095386 550429 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if the interpreters are wrong and it cancels out?
< 1353095418 317891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then everything explodes in gamma rays.  also standard policy.
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< 1353096632 600681 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric
< 1353097162 902084 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1353097256 795677 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353097557 232923 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1353098428 842871 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353098571 769527 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, writing it like this makes it significantly shorter
< 1353098581 658540 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From about 100 lines of code to about 30
< 1353098638 991773 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you change?
< 1353098866 881247 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replaced a big nested case tree thingy with viewpatterns
< 1353098976 964098 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it still behaves in the same way!
< 1353098982 437424 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same, really incorrect way
< 1353099035 647111 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody stock up on Twinkies!
< 1353099050 282983 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Twinkies you buy now will be the last for the REMAINDER OF YOUR LIFE
< 1353099073 36622 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw twinkies
< 1353099079 901770 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eclairs all the way
< 1353099088 932748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Gregor babbling about
< 1353099109 751902 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe just beat my father 8-0 in backgammon
< 1353099125 747104 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a pretty good argument in favour of "none of us knows how to play"
< 1353099168 286006 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://money.cnn.com/2012/11/16/news/companies/hostess-closing/
< 1353099172 251858 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ^^^
< 1353099217 474787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but how then will america identify their future leaders
< 1353099231 481543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`
< 1353099233 573157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1353099243 195447 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found
< 1353099248 535380 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... loooooooooooool
< 1353099259 920664 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please, HackEgo, run the epsilon program.
< 1353099266 679325 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know!
< 1353099365 687701 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :A world without Wonder “Bread” is a world not worth living in, my friends.
< 1353099534 588911 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real bread or no bread
< 1353099567 824922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Bakery, Confectionery, Tobacco Workers and Grain Millers International Union"
< 1353099584 619061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of these is even less like the others...
< 1353099631 900069 :segorev!~cherep@193.34.208.210 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1353099687 195951 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f7c3.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353100237 442160 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that could be causing problems
< 1353100290 710643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353100683 513496 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the Fueue program that should print the alphabet is instead printing out ^A, \-91
< 1353100791 958057 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, could you send me a run-through of the first couple of hundred steps of that program?
< 1353100823 264338 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some values of "a couple", yes
< 1353100854 598337 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that include "a couple" == 2?
< 1353100900 440891 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "all of them"
< 1353100935 891511 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, well
< 1353100944 17185 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :truth is I don't have an option to count the number of steps
< 1353100956 827078 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'll try to interrupt it before it overflows my window
< 1353100988 350832 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you do "fueueinterpwhatever > file", and send me the file?
< 1353101008 468390 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I wanaa do that directly
< 1353101021 992087 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you can provide me with knowledge on how not to create an infinite-length file
< 1353101062 21714 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can I do ./fueuec --print ')$2[)$--------2~)~~[)[)~(~[~[$~H~]~)%+~91-):]~1+:])]]~[$~H~])%+-91)[65][65]' > file   and then still halt at any time with ^C or ^D ?
< 1353101080 625942 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I seem to remember having that conversion with you a couple months ago
< 1353101088 135606 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall this
< 1353101114 651213 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey can I combine that with sprunge directly?
< 1353101121 824509 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, probably not a good idea
< 1353101157 456160 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, it's a finite loop
< 1353101161 869090 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was instantaneous
< 1353101167 202573 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not 200 steps then
< 1353101178 951961 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, how do I send that to you?
< 1353101190 924394 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some pasting service?
< 1353101192 352794 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some nice way I can send an email directly from the shell?
< 1353101192 551850 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Email?
< 1353101207 751166 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Originally email was only sent from the shell, Arc_Koen
< 1353101214 328683 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocker
< 1353101233 571767 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so?
< 1353101233 717194 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not without setting it up, at least
< 1353101253 363792 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can I do something like "email -from koen@stuff -to atriq@stuff -content Hello atriq how are you"?
< 1353101256 66290 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastebin is easier
< 1353101257 40353 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : /usr/sbin/sendmail
< 1353101268 911327 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna abuse that command!
< 1353101277 337023 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not abuse, that's what it's there for X_X
< 1353101430 754143 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/zodman/dpaster
< 1353101458 137925 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that looks incredibly complicated
< 1353101473 479394 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are about 30 options and none of them seems to be the recipient's mail
< 1353101499 763530 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will probably be easier to paste it somewhere
< 1353101509 229604 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, it almost looks like I'm supposed to know stuff about email protocols
< 1353101520 735084 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You're supposed to pass in the email headers.
< 1353101531 705258 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I just said!
< 1353101532 72871 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use dpaster from above or something similar
< 1353101532 218372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mailx is a thing
< 1353101539 344588 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then give atriq a link
< 1353101546 264606 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna use thunderbird for tonight
< 1353101553 589987 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one day I sware i'll know how to send an email
< 1353101568 655609 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Dude, email headers are ASCII pairs, it's not even remotely difficult X_X
< 1353101592 936520 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :To: whoever@wherever.com\nFrom: whosinwhatsit@wherever.weee\nSubject: I will eat your brains.\n\nBody
< 1353101624 702927 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And /usr/sbin/sendmail -t is the only option you want.
< 1353101640 472187 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am intimately familiar with this structure, it being that i use vmail for my email, which has you edit the email document directly ;D
< 1353101683 172228 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i believe you meant "Subject: Re: Your Brains\n"
< 1353101714 951641 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Subject: Lunch? (was Re: Your brains)
< 1353101780 193880 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well, email sent
< 1353101795 920396 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recieved
< 1353101804 733744 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was easy
< 1353101945 70067 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: also all numbers in the queue are preceded with a space, so "- 2" means [subtraction, 2] whereas "-2" means [-2]
< 1353102016 19760 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, elliott blah blah blah
< 1353102026 914538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1353102029 419339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you forgot monqy
< 1353102057 767233 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hisorry monqy
< 1353102065 510560 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo
< 1353102075 743551 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and elliott too
< 1353102548 972932 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353103170 212658 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1353103221 470988 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353103434 150135 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, Homestuck update
< 1353103438 262181 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do the thingy
< 1353103448 246471 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did the thingy.
< 1353103478 589233 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait
< 1353103479 699657 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You did
< 1353103498 281710 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was you being annoyed at me and Arc_Koen for some reason
< 1353103515 214932 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for the thingy
< 1353103552 688295 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :understandable
< 1353103578 669062 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing as how similar "elliott" and "Arc_Koen" look
< 1353103850 666341 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got it!
< 1353103852 304797 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha!
< 1353103854 28657 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahaha!
< 1353103893 694821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad with fueury
< 1353104480 607259 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it now successfully prints "A"
< 1353104487 480761 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I know why it doesn't get onto "B"
< 1353105127 858137 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353105160 812912 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUCCESS!
< 1353105197 884160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMPOSSIBLE!
< 1353105233 166023 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to write a fueue interpreter in fueue
< 1353105255 676521 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no!
< 1353105261 312839 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh don't you dare be wrong now!
< 1353105270 450072 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Alphabet program works
< 1353105279 116325 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Thue-Morse sequence program prints "0"
< 1353105497 482985 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good beginning
< 1353105531 713457 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nothing else...
< 1353105890 323005 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, could you give me a similar run-through for the Thue-Morse one?
< 1353105898 990363 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course
< 1353105908 97728 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you
< 1353106063 490240 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :75.5 Mo
< 1353106065 766065 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that too much
< 1353106089 453298 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What unit is a "Mo"
< 1353106107 915449 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1353106117 84062 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the o stands for octet, which is french for byte
< 1353106124 586545 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah
< 1353106125 795138 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1353106142 67173 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, 1000000 bytes, or something
< 1353106152 335159 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you pipe it through "head -n 1000" or something?
< 1353106156 502843 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never know whether it's 2^20 or 10^3
< 1353106160 299690 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353106245 479896 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sent
< 1353106258 50899 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recieved
< 1353106601 844211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :75.5 mol
< 1353107340 977614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of bytes
< 1353107374 896895 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially seeing as it diverges from mine in about 12 lines
< 1353107488 240260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 75.5*6e23
< 1353107490 143657 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4.53e25
< 1353107527 4528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : the o stands for octet, which is french for byte
< 1353107528 807658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :joking right
< 1353107549 292094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1353107549 437520 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so?
< 1353107557 998137 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess french might use octet where others would use byte but
< 1353107562 580873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :octet is a term outside of french
< 1353107571 12887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and actually octet and byte have subtly different meanings that nobody cares about
< 1353107577 655149 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUCCESS
< 1353107584 665497 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, "octet" has an "eight" thing into it
< 1353107610 210334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, someone should use "octave" for something.
< 1353107615 10964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell octave = bit
< 1353107624 756370 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since "Mo" didn't ring a bell, I just assumed it was french
< 1353107713 885580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you might be able to get away with octave = 12 bits?
< 1353107729 983824 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I need to write a main action, test it, make a back up, and then mess with it
< 1353107746 44780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :byte meaning 8 bits is like word meaning 16 bits except more so
< 1353107779 261830 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is we really don't have another word for byte in french
< 1353107782 972099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what the distinction is between the machine-specific definitoins of byte and word, though
< 1353107798 547955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that byte got fixed to 8 bits and people still needed a term for one unit for the machine
< 1353107813 543592 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is ok, because anyone caring about the distinction would do their work in english anyway)
< 1353107815 955290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :People use "word" to mean 32 or 64 bits, though.
< 1353107824 859835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes they prefix it with "machine" or something.
< 1353108106 629767 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:40:18 < Sgeo> ...I feel like a derp for only realizing the horrific security implications after having read that  part of the Wikipedia article.
< 1353108117 123990 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :your intuition is bad and you should feel bad
< 1353108181 379047 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: having dealt with someone who needs a lot of attention, it is on some level basic human decency, but there is definitely a point where it stops being because you have other shit to do
< 1353108246 343436 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I want to know context?
< 1353108309 564804 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First part about horrific security implications is about JSONP
< 1353108337 649067 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second part is how I felt like I adored by my gf for having basic human decency for staying with her on campus when she got sick
< 1353108338 888097 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1353108396 844839 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not familiar with JSONP
< 1353108402 507746 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or your girlfriend, for that matter
< 1353108402 973606 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok
< 1353108404 166955 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's dumb
< 1353108452 83499 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My girlfriend is not dumb.
< 1353108481 783544 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :was not talking about it
< 1353108491 792689 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How seriously sick are we talking?
< 1353108551 591821 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing lethal.
< 1353108683 139648 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sick as in "acutely sick in class"
< 1353108716 944798 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I can imagine using JSONP, if I control both services
< 1353108781 868575 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, JSONP is the idea of doing an AJAX-like thing from a different domain by making a SCRIPT tag that src's the service and the service returns the data wrapped in a function call, function supplied by the requestor
< 1353108784 550225 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that sick, I would say it definitely is basic human decency
< 1353108792 226412 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1353108798 898031 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, if it's acute, definitely
< 1353108801 502989 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna go now and probably sleep or something
< 1353108804 765773 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows
< 1353108968 482443 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently her ex wouldn't have done that. I asked.
< 1353109045 728314 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ass
< 1353109118 528383 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-82-199.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1353109195 817351 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would her ex have asked
< 1353109588 106940 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: My girlfriend is not dumb. /  coppro: was not talking about it
< 1353109588 962848 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1353109664 22658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353110355 234046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :df update: i'm so awful at designing things
< 1353110431 852172 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353110435 286402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :df?
< 1353110441 847506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the bf derivative that comes after cf?
< 1353110485 767826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353110488 45211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1353110513 688366 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realised that my minecart design means i have to completely break the system if i want to actually put a stop in
< 1353110901 334321 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.twitch.tv/refractstudios
< 1353111023 281704 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is printing business cards as the backs to playing cards brilliant or terrible?
< 1353111088 794909 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on whether your identify yourself as "the Joker"
< 1353111102 240820 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/16/apple-now-owns-the-page-turn/
< 1353111357 613250 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353111470 324098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, brilliant but i suspect expensive
< 1353111552 564016 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I benefit from the fact that I have near-zero use for business cards. I just need enough for those rare few opportunity when somebody asks.
< 1353111569 465621 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1353111578 806001 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll be left with a pack of cards with some of the cards missing
< 1353111589 267020 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually I'll be left with no cards X-D
< 1353111610 69216 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Believe it or not, if I wanted a deck of cards to /play/ with, I wouldn't be putting my business card on the back.
< 1353111655 510159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1353111658 807815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be amazing
< 1353111745 933355 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_O
< 1353111952 976816 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353112098 217457 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f7c3.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1353112495 32025 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about on the front?
< 1353112739 431643 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're playing cards.
< 1353112744 164240 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The front are playing card fronts.
< 1353112877 285657 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well by that logic, the backs would be playing card backs
< 1353113204 321637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: GooAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1353113532 938129 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353113844 250690 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, these cards are half a playing card
< 1353113864 783325 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to be a full deck, Gregor needs to print cards with a playing card back and a business card front
< 1353114083 242488 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.11.42 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353114178 476806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today is one of those days where i have O Canada stuck in my head for no discernible reason
< 1353114325 947151 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353114373 237627 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, hum, can someone help me with Betterave?
< 1353114374 638301 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Betterave
< 1353114390 80591 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your opinion, what does [ | ] evaluate to?
< 1353114394 840991 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last iteration of the loop?
< 1353114401 623499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a robot butt
< 1353114440 188769 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it *not* evaluate (as in, evaluate to some trash value, that result in an error when used as an argument to another expression)
< 1353114447 86070 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I'm gonna go with that
< 1353114455 330924 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not coincidentally known as "bottom"
< 1353114542 976481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353114783 692968 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353114796 11856 :nux_vomica!~nux_vomic@200.76.82.187 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353114863 348670 :nux_vomica!~nux_vomic@200.76.82.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello?
< 1353114879 429066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome nux_vomica
< 1353114883 697255 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nux_vomica: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1353114974 235997 :nux_vomica!~nux_vomic@200.76.82.187 PART :#esoteric
< 1353114976 980123 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353114977 690143 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1353115035 286038 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dropping like flies
< 1353115035 692344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you frowning
< 1353115123 827756 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because someone came in here and then left
< 1353115136 313167 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.11.42 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353115239 664074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's obvious they were in here for the other kind of esoterica
< 1353115451 242077 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Brainfuck derivatives (129 members)"
< 1353115455 715743 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :outch
< 1353115668 412518 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we have my table thing
< 1353115671 443841 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a good idea
< 1353115737 295401 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because anyone trying to add their own substitution has to directly acknowledge that they are just adding 8 more symbols to a table
< 1353116099 980243 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if I make the following BF derivative! BF -> my derivative separated by semicolons. + -> ++; - -> --; , -> ,,; . -> ..; < -> <<; > -> >>; [ -> [[; ] -> ]]
< 1353116108 348915 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not just 8 symbols added to a table.
< 1353116121 757840 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I may have equated symbols with characters.
< 1353116151 246488 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you forgot a semicolon on ]].
< 1353116210 984622 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not intend to translate BF symbols into things containing semicolons, they're just separators in my description. Doesn't really matter though.
< 1353116230 910012 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :8=D, 8==D, 8===D, 8====D, 8=====D, 8======D, 8=======D, 8========D
< 1353116253 59214 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be better than a few of the derivatives currently posted
< 1353116271 289781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about one that used various numbers of swastikas
< 1353116281 50262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be the worst one
< 1353116371 498156 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1353116387 91863 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea: fungoid with swastika-based control flow
< 1353116429 384838 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungoid on a continous plane, and the only control mechanisms are variously resized and spun swastikas
< 1353116431 587278 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: how can it be?
< 1353116448 460289 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what bike said i guess
< 1353116514 324441 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could call it, i dunno, Meatspin
< 1353116561 281261 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :recently my friend came up with an idea of a language with only the high level operations (like image resizing) and no low level operations (like addition)
< 1353116596 486413 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's high level and what's low level
< 1353116599 433462 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i'd distinguish those as high/low level but right
< 1353116623 175769 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :primitive is probably a better word
< 1353116642 96335 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: hmm, if you prefer you can say domain-specific and general operations, but anyway.
< 1353116643 324958 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you were running this on a specialized Photoshop-oriented processor, huh
< 1353116650 106046 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that
< 1353116650 251763 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :language in which addition is implemented in terms of image resizing
< 1353116704 843921 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, we somehow have 2D FFT and convolution but no pairwise multiplication. XD
< 1353116723 342703 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that *is* an easy example however
< 1353116788 786644 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only arithmetic operation is like the ackermann function
< 1353116818 297649 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only arithmetic operation is the hyper operator?  that doesn't seem too difficult to work with, really
< 1353116841 946626 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm tired and i don't know that many functions :(
< 1353116869 996503 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you had fft maybe you could do multiplication with schonhage or something, might be fun
< 1353116891 93364 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about control flow
< 1353116926 528130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :flow control > control flow
< 1353116943 358449 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about flow control
< 1353116948 38211 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"now we're better"
< 1353116975 953352 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, elliott time for me to do the thing
< 1353116983 973806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: which one is if statements and which one is ^S
< 1353116985 702066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1353116993 497258 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what thing
< 1353117002 567697 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing
< 1353117351 15630 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I'm pretty sure if you do your big table we'll all support you
< 1353117369 92130 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk
< 1353117388 152674 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's been no fun since he got in charge of the wiki
< 1353117425 912269 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll make a distraction so that he does not notice your addition!
< 1353117433 647620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1353117435 798195 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey that should be an operation
< 1353117444 592277 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"distraction"
< 1353117449 949965 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea what it would do
< 1353117462 863060 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :disrupt numbers or something
< 1353117472 985758 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :move the pc to a random position for a few instructions
< 1353117931 719627 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353117945 390005 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be useful in corewars/bf joust/whatever
< 1353118156 260514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353118626 144303 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had lots of dreams that i havent been sharing so i will share them now it'll be great
< 1353118637 863169 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse chronological order
< 1353118645 382015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, if that you want
< 1353118710 242778 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the last dream, I had a friend whose boyfriend is really dumb at driving. we were riding with him driving and he tries to take a shortcut through the hayride racetrack but there's a dog show going on so it's filled up with dogs and it goes really slowly since we have to carefully avoid the dogs
< 1353118719 921376 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there are people and they're sorta crowding so we have to wait for them to pass by
< 1353118771 520931 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the people starts quoting a web series that exists in this dream called "super mario hat" that makes fun of people who make fun of people who like video games, but nobody gets it and they think he's insulting us, but they agree with the insults and gather around and form an agreement party
< 1353118819 138862 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm snickering because even though "super mario hat" is not all that great it is amusing that everyone thinks he's serious while he's being so ridiculous and they also agree with him. he has to explain and the party disperses
< 1353118874 89105 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in another dream there are two parts
< 1353118895 164300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: super mario hat sounds amazing
< 1353118900 483768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo: it should exist?
< 1353118905 343967 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353118929 71303 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first part is there's an artificial pool but it's really big and there's a boat in it and i'm on the boat.  I forget what goes on in the boat until an evil guy who's of high ranking status or something starts shoveling coal into the ventilation system and the boat goes topsy and rocks wildly a bunch before tipping over
< 1353118949 176257 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever it rocked I went to the opposite sides and found a window so I could jump if it tipped so I did that and escaped
< 1353118969 832721 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bunch of other people escaped too idk if anyone died in there but a bunch of people's eyes got all messed up by air pressure or something
< 1353118996 920617 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone was surprised I took a window out idk how other people got out it's a mystery. someone got hit by something heavy on the way out but survived with messed up eyes
< 1353119015 149501 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noting the high rate of eye injuries
< 1353119025 311266 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway second part is I was in some sort of sequence of challenges and this one was titled something like "kill the mammot, making use of blinding it"
< 1353119067 653291 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were really big boxes (too high to climb) and huge rolls of tape on them, and you were given a pickaxe and you could let the mammoth out whenever you felt like it
< 1353119081 803936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it kill the mammot or kill the mammoth
< 1353119087 916457 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mammoth
< 1353119092 907699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also was the mammoth real. this sounds cruel!!
< 1353119107 543383 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I felt sorta bad about oh jeez how will I feel kimming a mammoth can I go through with it &c &c but I didn't stop doing the challenge
< 1353119121 511480 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy are you sure you don't have some sort of latent eye fetish
< 1353119130 516593 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1353119164 547699 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my approach was knock down one of the huge rolls of tape, deflate it a bit so I could climb on it, use that to climb on the boxes, get above the mammoth chamber, release it, and now I have the height advantage and can jump on it and pick out its eyes
< 1353119166 878732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy............ its not right to kill a mammoth
< 1353119169 583040 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you have poor morals!!
< 1353119175 686046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or dream monqy at least
< 1353119182 135826 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also throught of taping over its eyes but I'd be picking it to death anyway and picking out its eyes would probably be easier
< 1353119186 46855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha i like how eyes came up
< 1353119189 303636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right after Phantom__Hoover brought them up
< 1353119198 502405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess it is implicit in blinding it but still
< 1353119243 625100 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did some box leaping and tape stuff and got over to where the mammoth would be but then there was a fancy futuristic projector and someone came in the room and was like whats going on and dont touch that projector
< 1353119256 488845 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I gently moved the projector out of the way down to the dude and I forget the rest of what happened
< 1353119284 495410 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when writing down that dream when i wrote it down I remembered another dream I had with a sequence of challenges where my team had to kill a herd of elephants. did i ever describe that one
< 1353119301 75148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop
< 1353119302 358944 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically all i remember at this point anyway.
< 1353119302 504387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1353119311 658314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do your dreams have lots of challenges
< 1353119313 893633 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ghuess there were hills or something in that dream
< 1353119323 544511 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dreams before this don't have so many challenges
< 1353119335 102378 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right I should probably describe the dream I had last night before I forget it
< 1353119390 615261 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a branching story of sorts wherein the main protagonist wore a suit of chocolate armour and the main antagonists were a talking dragon named "xtahua" and his absentminded professor friend
< 1353119432 191135 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i remembered dreams
< 1353119477 814935 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only branch I really remember was one in which the main protagonist, the professor, and xtahua, teamed up to manage a hotel
< 1353119483 944486 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was like spooky or something
< 1353119488 741263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did xtahua talk like xtahua
< 1353119492 598611 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353119494 296627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1353119501 677927 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I occasionally remember dreams
< 1353119550 965695 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another dream I had: I was playing a mario game but the overworld was platforming just like the levels and I beat all the normal levels but I also found a secret building
< 1353119571 468430 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with secret doors for each world, with key puzzles above them, but you could enter regardless of what you put for the key puzzle and this weirded me out
< 1353119603 732725 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dreamviews.com/f107/sgeos-dream-journal-53892/ http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/sgeo/
< 1353119618 254072 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I went into the door for world 1 and beat the level but then these really creepy drawn versions of all the mario characters spoke to mea nd told me I didn't have anough points, and repeated "you can't touch us to save us" and "you can't touch me to save me" a bunch of times, and then they vanished
< 1353119658 43251 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I left the secret building and came back and the whole thing was different. the doors were scattered in hard to reach places but I got to I forget if it was the world 2 or 3 door but I played it and the same sorta thing happened but with different creepy mario characters
< 1353119665 109398 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you touch them to save them?
< 1353119676 180862 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353119677 486002 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't
< 1353119723 956766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is this why they removed secret doors
< 1353119740 989997 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps
< 1353119805 802324 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another dream: I was time travelling or something in the bleak near-future where a bunch of people I know are dying and I forget exactly I was doing the time nonsense but yeah that's a dream
< 1353119827 373302 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another dream: Idk if I was myself or someone else but I was at a party with my family and it was being hosted by this other family that was all mysterious or something
< 1353119832 876730 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my grreatest fear was vacuum cleaners???
< 1353119834 679007 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1353119865 162976 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It started raining and everyone left but for some reason I stayed around??? Then the family came out and they referred to the rain as "fear" and my arms became vacuum cleaners and I became their slave
< 1353119879 842793 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went into their house and it was all dark and wherever I went anyone I found ran away from me
< 1353119897 49781 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there was a room with religious paraphernalia but whenever you looked away and looked at it again it was from a different religion
< 1353119900 329452 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sometimes it was wartime stuff
< 1353119955 443686 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another dream: what I remember of it centers around going to a restaurant to meet some family-friends we rarely meet
< 1353119983 35408 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason we all brought camping gear with us but without bags to hold it, so I thought I'd be clever and put everything in my clothes holder so I only had to carry around one thing. more on this later
< 1353120010 404275 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we got to our table which was really long and the othe family was at the far end, so we got seated, started drawing on our placemats (???), and swapped seats rotating around the table to greet them (???)
< 1353120024 225197 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then we ended up in the wrong seats so we had to sort out whose placemats were whose by how we drew on them
< 1353120038 370104 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the menu wasn't a menu so much as a bunch of recipes for what they served but it was all really weird
< 1353120074 646681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : and my grreatest fear was vacuum cleaners???
< 1353120076 33389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me . 2.
< 1353120091 867111 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like they documented their secret sauce and it was something like "sour sauce" (??? i knew what this was in my dream so maybe I just don't remember the name), eggs that "missed their prime", ham that "missed its prime", and some other stuff
< 1353120102 31003 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the picture had this stuff poured all over apples
< 1353120111 746665 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the food was all over to leave the restaurant there werent any normal exits
< 1353120117 151964 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had to go through a futuristic hanging simulator
< 1353120119 711435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the concept of food that "missed its prime" in a recipe is
< 1353120122 310140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the funneist fucking thing
< 1353120135 906229 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you put your head in and it simulated death by hanging but it's not supposed to actually kill you just simulate it
< 1353120148 144877 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my head didnt fit so well and then it started crushing my head and it wasnt fun getting unstuck
< 1353120176 813686 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i looked back at my bag of stuff and it's all burnt because one of the things i put in it was my coal lantern with real fire that somehow existed and din't have any sort of safety preventing the heat from killing everything in my bag
< 1353120182 454674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it hang you
< 1353120193 929318 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it just crushed my head a bunch and I escaped
< 1353120196 366987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo this dream would make a good horror film
< 1353120197 592402 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy, have you ever read DCs Say The Darndest Things?
< 1353120201 125434 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway thats all i remember from this dream
< 1353120203 302960 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats that
< 1353120204 342939 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dreamviews.com/f28/dcs-say-darndest-things-19509/
< 1353120209 16965 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thread on DreamViews
< 1353120217 909368 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About bizarre things dream characters say.
< 1353120220 356678 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353120227 275239 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have my own dreams for that sort of stuff
< 1353120239 601108 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee wheres the next dream
< 1353120243 871213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really wish i had monqy's dreams
< 1353120246 815039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine have all been lame recently
< 1353120256 339601 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have like
< 1353120258 916856 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many dreams backlogged
< 1353120262 543012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the most recent even vaguely amusing thing was that time in a dream i was learning to play the electric guitar but
< 1353120265 945050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of the strings going vertically
< 1353120267 982826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they went horizontally
< 1353120274 569716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow monqy
< 1353120276 527099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they were super bendy vertically so you like
< 1353120286 301053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :put your finger underneath one string, came out from underneath another one
< 1353120288 391444 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is with these ads
< 1353120291 387467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then pulled it up to the one you started with
< 1353120292 310302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and leave go
< 1353120295 431315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's how you twanged it
< 1353120299 758497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's how you played the guitar
< 1353120308 516837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it wasn't electric come to think of it but yeah
< 1353120312 927613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"not very exciting"
< 1353120362 137998 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i think i found it
< 1353120393 841474 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was in space with some friends fighting a space monster and one of them was like "alright we have to beat this guy and this is all the help we're going to get"
< 1353120394 247989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone told me they had a dream where the doctor asked him if he has ever been to the moon, once answered no, asked him to prove it.
< 1353120404 656166 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that dream.
< 1353120412 285641 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a bunch of other people showed up
< 1353120419 776145 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he was like "alright this is all the help we're going to get"
< 1353120432 965744 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then a cloud of space bees came in and stung the space monster and he said that thing again
< 1353120439 157543 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was thinking to myself "no it isn't"
< 1353120450 477640 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a dinosaur on earth breathed a huge fireball that flew up into space and hit the space monster
< 1353120453 507604 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I thought to myself
< 1353120458 737499 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I knew the dinosaurs would help"
< 1353120466 351566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing
< 1353120472 479936 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another dream:
< 1353120494 827835 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to sleep for 2 weeks for some reason and when I woke up I had to go to some ceremony I forget what it was about and I guess some people thought I was dead I don't remember much of that
< 1353120509 428486 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I got home and there was a really angry kid and he was driving in a flying car that made tornados and storms
< 1353120536 148614 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my family had to flee so we jumped into the lakepond and we could breathe underwater and we swam to a secret underwater thing and my mother was like "ok we're going to stay here until this kid goes away"
< 1353120551 778910 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :she presented the food we had for our stay and it was little tiny broken stale doughnut pieces
< 1353120572 92150 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then there was another secret tunnel connecting to that that took us to grandmothers house so we thought we'd be safe there since the kid was after us
< 1353120590 685431 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the kid came therea nd it turns out the kid was after my grandmother and i figured this out but my family didnt listen and refused to flee
< 1353120595 476056 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i fled but the kid was there
< 1353120599 1506 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and something in the house explode
< 1353120600 542222 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :d
< 1353120621 645917 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched as my family burned to death. i was able to save 2 of my sisters but they had really severe burns and their skin was all bubbly and stuff
< 1353120624 609633 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end
< 1353120633 362396 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i tried to save more but they died first)
< 1353120640 360950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :inspiring dream
< 1353120655 435173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :has your family ever burned to death irl
< 1353120662 489069 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353120689 876049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353120691 25576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good
< 1353120694 295314 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another dream: the part I remembered: I was sleeping on a beach or something and people kept launching rockets near me that landed on the ground and then exploded
< 1353120699 851467 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a birthday surprise or something
< 1353120701 834808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how many sisters do you have........
< 1353120721 169983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good surprise
< 1353120723 8742 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a birthday like every 2 days and each birthday i get more prepared for the shenanegans everyone threw at me
< 1353120754 308920 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't like the explosions but i dodged them in a really stupid way. i just hopped around hunched over and spun around with my face facing the ground and even in my dream I thought to myself "this is really stupid"
< 1353120766 655295 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i have 3 sisters and 2 parents
< 1353120778 995451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow what a coincidence..... i have 2 parents too
< 1353120849 197091 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more dream: I had to pee really badly so I snuck into a fancy restricted restroom but it was too fancy and I couldn't find anywhere to pee there was like a hot tub and all the stalls were really mysterious and fancy
< 1353120863 205661 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I went to akids playground bathroom but the bathroom was actually just structures in the playground that you pee into
< 1353120871 62742 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wherever I went there were kids watching me
< 1353120888 787370 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I got that too
< 1353120890 536724 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i couldnt pee
< 1353120905 552485 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it looks like i remembered another part of my dream but i describe it as "even stupider" i wonder what it was
< 1353120908 420791 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reasons the architects in my dreams always forget to build walls around bathrooms
< 1353120912 53012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: how was it restricted...
< 1353120916 463422 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"like really stupid why would i even dream that"
< 1353120918 267837 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: idk
< 1353120935 741089 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like i dont describe it
< 1353120943 685888 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey do some of you guys have dreams that have been following you for a long time?
< 1353120947 318780 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, years
< 1353120969 547541 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I have dreams that in my dream I sort of have a feeling I've had this dream before but really I haven't
< 1353120984 350890 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's what I thought at first
< 1353120985 829629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had recurring dreams i think. i don't have them any more though
< 1353120993 212519 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stopped remembering dreams regularly years gao
< 1353120995 620966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ago
< 1353121010 6744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember one nightmare i used to have quite frequently (i think??) was i'd be on a metal ladder
< 1353121016 325653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :high up in the sky
< 1353121016 836086 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since it became very recurrent I started thinking about it while awake
< 1353121021 272846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like high up enough that if you looked down
< 1353121024 459480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looked like a satellite map
< 1353121027 485247 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm pretty sure I've been having that dream for at least 8 years
< 1353121030 144521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so high you could see the curvature of the earth
< 1353121032 76376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but high
< 1353121038 220569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at the top a balloon
< 1353121043 59648 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with someone else in it waiting for me
< 1353121052 221517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i continue climbing up it
< 1353121056 197930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but instead it tips forward and falls
< 1353121057 491915 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ladder breaks at some point doesn't it
< 1353121059 13799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i wake up
< 1353121065 765439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps the ladder isn't supported by anything or whatever
< 1353121071 477213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just hanging at the right angle somehow
< 1353121072 662640 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a SPACE ELEVATOR
< 1353121072 996937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :until it falls
< 1353121104 280952 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, at the right angle, do you mean it's just like a ladder you'd raise to a wall?
< 1353121115 817755 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, if you make the wall disappear the ladder would fall
< 1353121135 668567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353121142 758060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's actually resting on the balloon?
< 1353121144 15674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the ground
< 1353121144 243013 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound like something you'd want to use to climb to a balloon
< 1353121148 901516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a dream Arc_Koen
< 1353121153 878933 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another dream: I was at something between something between summer camp and normal school and there were a bunch of buildings out in a field and some of them were rooms from my house and one of them wa sthe rest of my house without those rooms
< 1353121170 606051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can you explain summer camp to me
< 1353121174 37213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand it
< 1353121185 527350 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got promoted to chair of the math club but then i got kicked out because of rumors i killed a man but i was accepted back in once they found out i only had a dream in which i killed a man and i did not actually kill a man
< 1353121191 647209 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot the dream in which i killed the man tho
< 1353121211 630406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you ever kill a man
< 1353121215 357382 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just checking
< 1353121215 673692 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :explaining that i didnt actually kill the man was very stressful for me and i was told that "killing a man isnt something you can just say sorry for"
< 1353121218 691948 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never killed a man
< 1353121224 408764 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive killed bugs though
< 1353121225 647439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a woman
< 1353121229 766677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"coverin' my bases"
< 1353121232 326039 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never killed a woman
< 1353121235 743976 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never killed children
< 1353121238 527127 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :killed lots of bugs
< 1353121281 891989 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway then evil clones started popping up and they had red eyes and I tried to convince people that they were just evil clones but they wouldn't listen
< 1353121292 179751 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they became evil because the evil clones rubbed soap in their eyes
< 1353121308 743061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more eyes
< 1353121310 935332 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I discovered that you can become non evil by washing the soap out with water
< 1353121321 990487 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually everyone except me became evil ( I almost became evil but I washed my eyes)
< 1353121331 148479 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there was a montage of everyone being evil and chasing me
< 1353121333 398336 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must have hurt
< 1353121357 816677 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they always had those thing in chem lab designed to wash your eyes in case you'd put something dangerous in them
< 1353121361 981564 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also remember there was a thing that because everyone thought I had killed a man I wasn't allowed to do anything at the camp until I had used my id info 14 times
< 1353121366 140322 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looked like a torture device
< 1353121380 845521 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could sign in and stuff by holding a special sheet of paper near a magical thing that detected it and signed you in
< 1353121396 718326 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey had you had dreams where the whole universe was just an abstract board game?
< 1353121401 411065 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1353121405 903036 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually
< 1353121406 988637 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe once
< 1353121409 738581 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the recurring dream I had involved that
< 1353121424 308851 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dream i had where i fought shrek on a flying aircraft carrier might have qualified
< 1353121439 568132 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats a different dream
< 1353121443 856742 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a two-dimensional thingy, plus with a time dimension, and when I'm awake I just CAN'T figure out a way for it to make sense
< 1353121461 106339 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the end the universe always lose
< 1353121467 41509 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is problematic
< 1353121475 341036 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway also the parts of the camp that were my house had all the stuff in their rooms shuffled around and some were cleared out and had other stuff put in like arcade machines
< 1353121478 534733 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since I've been having this dream for years I know it'll come to that
< 1353121497 154848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : the dream i had where i fought shrek on a flying aircraft carrier might have qualified
< 1353121499 736381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elabroaute now
< 1353121500 963061 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never been able to prevent the universe from losing so I developed a strategy to prevent the universe from realizing it had lost
< 1353121518 8908 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: haven;t i already told you about this one
< 1353121542 207754 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll...see if i can find it
< 1353121573 100049 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I found it in my logs of private query w/ you
< 1353121583 360424 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can repeat it tho
< 1353121629 569700 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just repeat all the dreams in this log since i dont think any of them were shared in here
< 1353121689 49206 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first dream: I'm watching something on television (which I only realized later). It's a story about one of those "some shameful trait anonymous" clubs where the shameful trait is "I hate aliens"
< 1353121696 770781 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah hum it's 4am here and I wake up at 8 tomorrow so I'm gonna go and have actual dreams
< 1353121699 183472 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you
< 1353121700 390506 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the first meeting and I remembered two of the members' introductions
< 1353121701 283708 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1353121712 669813 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they introduced themselves with stories about why they hate aliens
< 1353121737 748044 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first guy's story is that he's going to see this woman for I forget the reason but he was looking at her very closely because he'ls afraid she'll stab and kill him
< 1353121742 360544 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: have to quit now otherwise I won't be able to stop myself from reading your story!
< 1353121770 215976 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :she invites him for wine on her sofa and pours him and herself each a glass; he starts sipping but she doesn't touch her wine, but rather rambles about how she really likes the wine and how it's great and how other wines aren't
< 1353121810 137453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm i'm starting to remember
< 1353121812 822823 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :despine not drinking anything, she gradually becomes more and more intoxicated and eventually things she's a bale of hay
< 1353121826 544427 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot to mention: the guy's name is "Ichihot" which is significant later
< 1353121887 902547 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ichihot finds the whole hay deal really hilarious and starts laughing uncontrollably; the girl says she has to ventillate and staggers to another room and faints while Ichihot continues giggling
< 1353121892 999780 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember what this has to do with aliens
< 1353121895 306148 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :next introduction
< 1353121923 678448 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :She introduces herself as Ichicold--my dream self found this hilarious and started laughing uncontrollably and I fell off of my dream sofa (this is how I know this was on a tv--and tells her story
< 1353121955 808338 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when she was a kid she transfered schools and she was really upset because despite still getting adjusted she was required to tall all of the responsibility of any other student
< 1353121981 367824 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day it was ufo dance (sort of like a rain dance but with ufo) day so the whole school stood in the field in front of the schoolbuilding and danced and ufos appeared overhead
< 1353121992 38792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tall" as in tall is a verb in your dream, or tall as in a typo?
< 1353121993 224652 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ichicold looked around and suddenly there were people with paper bags over their heads everywhere
< 1353122009 884927 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I meant take, I think
< 1353122016 671270 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was supposed to be take
< 1353122031 403336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: btw was the tv show fictional
< 1353122032 403516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the dream
< 1353122036 203557 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353122039 290972 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1353122039 751472 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1353122040 267336 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353122041 479603 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1353122042 32643 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1353122044 819437 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean
< 1353122050 186700 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer: idk
< 1353122055 236838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help ?
< 1353122077 886501 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, one of the paper bag people walks up behind her, taps her on the shoulder, she turns around startled, paper bag guy takes off his bag (he's male) and introduces himself as Alice
< 1353122084 950524 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ichicold screams for a minute straight and I wake up
< 1353122087 830076 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(she really hates aliens)
< 1353122129 125805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you know it was a minute
< 1353122140 855529 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was actually "like a minute"
< 1353122205 613316 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok more dream. first part is the one with shrek
< 1353122223 609259 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on an aircraft carrier thing but it's flying?? And all the planes on it are buses with wings and they are in boxes
< 1353122260 622513 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wandering around on the surface and spotted shrek there and he attacked me and everything became a grid and I had to move where I could throw a car diagonally and it had a 3x2 area of effect so I tried using that but shrek kept stepping out of range
< 1353122293 346194 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually I backed him off the edge and he fell so I got in one of the box bus planes (to rescue him?? to finish the fight?? to make sure he dies?? idk) and tried flying it but it just slid off the side and fell
< 1353122293 893527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm
< 1353122304 709662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you could say shrek was a
< 1353122304 892113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1353122305 333272 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that dream only had one part and that's it
< 1353122305 666217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chainsaw ogre
< 1353122310 279422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what were they called
< 1353122322 336668 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were called chainsaw ogres but wheres the chainsaw here
< 1353122339 296853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well shrek is an ogre and i was just thinking stepping out of range of chainsaw ogres
< 1353122341 349793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I TRIED OKAY!!
< 1353122345 547066 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353122363 910099 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :part one. it's friend day and during friend day my dad keeps pestering me about how he'll get me a new printer. end of part.
< 1353122372 117043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1353122373 732522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont u mean part 2
< 1353122380 663796 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no this is dream 2
< 1353122380 809227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is this a non-linear dream
< 1353122383 47121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1353122385 157084 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other dream had only one part
< 1353122388 438532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353122390 308698 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i messed up in the log
< 1353122391 855239 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which threw me off
< 1353122411 327658 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :second part. I'm reading a video games webcomic (???) and wow it was amazing (???)
< 1353122426 119100 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a party and there were lots of people and suddenly one by one some of them started dying
< 1353122444 580938 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone freaks out and leaves except for the protagonist and his dim-witted sidekick who call up investagative forces
< 1353122466 721079 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :investigative forces look around and discover the cause was a bunch of unusual tf2 items with a sparkly effect
< 1353122478 968759 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :next panel is a tf2 inventory and I can't remember all the items but there was like
< 1353122486 682830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : second part. I'm reading a video games webcomic (???) and wow it was amazing (???)
< 1353122494 893773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: how did you not realise you were dreaming at this point
< 1353122513 730471 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats funny because its different in the log
< 1353122518 351531 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:28  I'm reading a VIDEO GAMES WEBCOMIC (ha ha ha) and wow it was amazing
< 1353122521 740019 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:28  all video games webcomics are amazing
< 1353122544 946684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you realise i was joking right ?
< 1353122549 104216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :b/c : i was joking
< 1353122549 278778 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353122552 935483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good
< 1353122577 760726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway continue
< 1353122587 251114 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the items were like unusual menoral, unusual spruce sapling, unusual chandelier, unusual questionable bamboo fragments (basically rotted snapped off segments of bamboo trees), unsuual d20
< 1353122591 446857 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the dim-witted sidekick says
< 1353122602 771615 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW WITH ALL OF THESE SPARKLES WE COULD SURE HAVE A PARTY
< 1353122618 602104 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then, on its own panel, which was the last panel, and it was big (it was the punchline): the protagonist yells at him:
< 1353122629 128050 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT IS BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT WE DO NOT HAVE A UNIFIED THEORY OF ORDER
< 1353122637 635264 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't stop dream-laughing it was great
< 1353122663 952821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god
< 1353122752 295924 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lesse wheres the next dream
< 1353122775 929509 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dream: I was experiencing the future and the past at the same time and I was in everyones most traumatic experiences
< 1353122786 99374 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes the subject wasnt there in their experience i was experiencing
< 1353122789 256012 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were missing
< 1353122792 236121 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they turned up dead
< 1353122800 714127 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also when time stabilized i could hover when i jumped
< 1353122823 922725 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely remember some more details but not enough to describe them :(
< 1353122887 875862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that dream sounds upsetting : (
< 1353122918 610169 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another dream: what i remembered of it:
< 1353122936 986497 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dude puts this box on my head as punishment for doing something idk and it made everything green and dumb and I could see mathematicians in the sky
< 1353122955 527969 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out he was a gang member and didn't want me disbanding his gang and he was using me or something but it turns out i was actually just using him
< 1353122963 506287 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I took the box off after a while and he was so upset
< 1353122989 12538 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing here with the vague details :( i wish i had remembered more
< 1353123075 823402 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another dream: about a video game where a brother & sister with huge anime hair are deep in the woods at some friends house and they are going to go shopping and to the library but they get attacked by a swarm of really big bug things, and also the friends' mother is trying to sautee drugs for some reason
< 1353123084 862825 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bugs were really big but I forget how big they were, and they grew even bigger
< 1353123103 102710 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me a lot of tries and I forget how I beat it but I think I kept the brother and sister inside the house but they ended up getting high oops
< 1353123114 660792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i have played this game
< 1353123121 513109 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hen they went to the library there was a big crowd and they saw someone who looked like their mother but with purple hair
< 1353123122 75567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least
< 1353123122 763558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to
< 1353123126 756477 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both tried hitting on her but they were high
< 1353123134 451439 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont remember much else
< 1353123182 946035 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more dream:
< 1353123201 865519 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had something to do with old tv. I was with relatives but somehow one of my friends was also there.
< 1353123252 848122 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some things happened but idk exactly what they were because in the dream I remember thinking they were real events but happened but I went to see them happen again later so idk if they were just acting or what
< 1353123287 496013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is quite vague
< 1353123302 528581 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I describe it more later but i dont remember much of the details
< 1353123311 185067 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I went to see these things but I was really tired in this dream so it was sort of hard.  I remember thifrst thing was obama talking to some people and it might have been a standup comedy routine?  He was cracking jokes but only a few were actually funny but they made it worth it
< 1353123338 761077 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the second thing the only thing I remember was this little girl spins onto the stage and there's a really stupid joke but i couldn't stop laughing it's an amazing joke (i dont remember it)
< 1353123347 577637 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 other things happens and my friend catches me and takes me to a cafe thingy
< 1353123355 351374 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no
< 1353123357 257676 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :before the cafe
< 1353123368 706073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Who's ion1?
< 1353123379 188049 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what happened but at one point I went through the events with friend and they seemed real that time too. anyway after that cafe happened
< 1353123392 612881 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Where?
< 1353123409 905071 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :friend orders me a drink and insists I have one too but I don't want one and he gets into a bit of a spat with the storekeep or w/e since he's broke and keeps stopping by and never paying
< 1353123419 725195 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kept staring at the menu and didn't want anything on it
< 1353123432 433474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: On GitHub.
< 1353123440 977527 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i got this instinctive feeling it was time for watching i love lucy on the tv which was apparently an extended-family tradition in dreamland
< 1353123446 552754 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Probably some asshole.
< 1353123453 11159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: he's "much cooler than u"
< 1353123478 34818 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i ran really fast towards the i love lucy house and my cousins were running there too and i started giggling but i covered my mouth and i jumped and flew into the house and sorta crashlanded onto one of its walls
< 1353123480 752041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should add a digit after your nick.
< 1353123497 856197 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really a crash i grabbed something on the wall and let myself down and we all watched i love lucy together
< 1353123515 855018 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no u
< 1353123516 592015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is monqy still talking about his dreams
< 1353123519 699995 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353123522 626767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love monqys dreams!
< 1353123529 516589 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :meams
< 1353123546 470769 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more dream
< 1353123564 698950 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) i was at an ice cream place but they only had really dumb awful flavors. the only ones i could remember are "meat" and "lobster"
< 1353123586 441558 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) in this dream world people's memories are stored in their teeth and the tooth serves as a protection for the memory so if your teeth go bad you start forgetting stuff
< 1353123602 822972 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think there was some horror about losing teeth in that dream, like in the space dentist dream.
< 1353123617 705810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything about eyes
< 1353123620 794225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did they have any vegetarian flavours
< 1353123636 302287 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soy banana
< 1353123644 236308 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i forget
< 1353123647 63348 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The vegetarian version of banana
< 1353123665 288776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a dream about an evil dentist who would extract people's memories
< 1353123669 231137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no that was a computer game
< 1353123709 743675 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the characters in Psychonauts was a bit like that…ish.
< 1353123732 808732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+2F75D 'BULLET WITH BUTTERFLY WINGS'
< 1353123754 599141 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dream: first part: took place sometime after i was done with elementary school but i was visiting it anyway. a friend I had who was all about military stuff irl was instead obsessed with synths and told me all about them.
< 1353123757 693163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: yes, that one
< 1353123757 838986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc++
< 1353123775 268277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: imo synths > military?
< 1353123778 917969 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye
< 1353123781 995158 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like your friend got... Dream Improved
< 1353123797 378805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you ever seen this film eXistenZ
< 1353123802 169719 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353123804 303981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353123816 824190 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ending to the first part was something like they took a field trip to some shopping plaza but they just sorta gathered in the road/parkingspace and did stuff and i was like ugh this is dumb and wandered off but then i saw my dad come pick me up and i couldn't decide if i wanted to meet with him quickly and vanish or make it look like i was w/ the elementary school students
< 1353123826 927760 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was like spinning or something?? i couldn't stop spinning so that settled that
< 1353123835 491274 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my dream i decided this was the worst possible outcome but it worked out
< 1353123844 118658 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we went to the shopping store, whcih is the setting for part 2
< 1353123860 307657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Have you figured out Zipper?
< 1353123882 533200 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :before we got a cart there was a coin jar and my dad grabbed a bunch of coins from it and gave a few to me and went through the store tossing coins at alll the products on the shopping list instead of getting a cart and picking them up??
< 1353123886 786025 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the coins were weird too
< 1353123899 839028 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nickels, quarters, and Bronze Dollars (like silver dollars but a bit bigger and also bronze)
< 1353123908 274066 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I haven’t looked at it yet, but i’ve been meaning to.
< 1353123933 638462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> zipper ("hello","world") % down _1 % fromWithin traverse % focus .~ 'J' % rightmost % focus .~ 'y' % rezip
< 1353123935 820045 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ("Jelly","world")
< 1353123947 434198 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wandered off to find if there was anything i wanted and came across these ridiculous huge frozen lamb sandwiches that were really high up but i could read the labels and see the pictures
< 1353123951 610270 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[nb i have never tried lamb]
< 1353123954 274824 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[also brb]
< 1353123954 896188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did I mention that we should have Functor => Apply => Applicative?
< 1353123957 493828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: q:
< 1353123962 668835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you making this all up on the spot
< 1353123996 988959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't doubt monqy's dreams
< 1353123998 748560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a long history
< 1353124002 650352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously 'BUTTERFLY WINGS' should actually be a combining character
< 1353124065 648318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty bazaar
< 1353124066 913762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `bazaar'
< 1353124071 395246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
< 1353124072 940730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty Control.Lens.Internal.bazaar
< 1353124074 434225 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => (a -> f b) -> Control.Lens.Internal.Bazaar a b t -> f t
< 1353124103 25123 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my computer I wrote about various dreams, both my own and others.
< 1353124117 6799 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no these are real dreams i've had in the past and wrote down
< 1353124131 594089 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in another irc channel and i'm grepping my logs
< 1353124135 810180 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway uhh where was i
< 1353124139 179830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ever dream that you were dreaming
< 1353124142 932673 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353124144 470302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you woke up and it turned out that you weren't
< 1353124150 196754 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353124163 384921 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've dreampt that I've woken up. Don't think there are actually dreams within dreams
< 1353124168 975326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I also sometimes dream that I am dreaming, sometimes many levels.
< 1353124177 63162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what does other irc channel have that this one doesn't that it gets all your dreams :{
< 1353124180 375607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from probably being better
< 1353124185 223959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because #esoteric is p. bad
< 1353124215 833284 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's p. bad too but it has less of a focus and less people who are having conversations and stuff like that, and also im just neglectful
< 1353124218 774296 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1353124229 481965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: q: you know whats worse than #esoteric?
< 1353124234 202286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a: #haskell :'(
< 1353124240 771505 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were a few varieties of lamb sandwiches that I can remember: "red jalapeno", "pickle supreme" (the pickle on the sandwich on the cover picture looked like a cross between a green anchovie/sardine/thing and a slimy green bacon strip), and "ham"
< 1353124275 916794 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway this family started crowding around and admiring the lamb sandwiches and was talking to a store attendant about how good they looked and the store attendand recommended them and i tried to escape but the more i tried the more they crowded so idk how i got out
< 1353124281 600939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are these sandwiches made by lambs or made of lambs
< 1353124298 371122 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, i don't know
< 1353124299 405644 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1353124328 610829 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive never had lamb and they looked ridiculous so i wanted to try one but for some reason i didn't want to cary it and my dad had the cart?? so i got him over to the sandwiches
< 1353124350 631448 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i got one down even tho they're really high up and you're supposed to get a store attendant to do it
< 1353124367 619518 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out the lamb sandwiches were improperly taken care of and turned to sludge so we went to the service desk line
< 1353124391 844771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's p. bad too but it has less of a focus and less people who are having conversations and stuff like that, and also im just neglectful
< 1353124396 977890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can any channel have less of a focus than #esoteric tho
< 1353124402 969831 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the service desk had this board behind it that showed the store's rating on various policies. there were 3 possible values for each rating, a lightbulb (best), a circled question mark (middle), and a frowny face (worst)
< 1353124405 363796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome elliott
< 1353124408 874950 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1353124411 697754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thats totally a focus"
< 1353124464 794711 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this store got lightbulbs on all categories!!! the only cateogory i can remember is employree treatment, with frowny face representing "hard labor", question mark was "ethnic minorities labor", and lightbulb was "hobo labor"
< 1353124494 276232 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a cartoon next to it about how the store was nice to everyone not just the "master race" so i guess this store or the rest of the world had a racist thing going on???
< 1353124522 552371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god bless this store
< 1353124551 77369 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once it was our turn at the help desk my dad freaked out and ran off and i was a bit confused and then the lights shut off and red lights happened and there were alarms and police/security guards started running around shouting "guns!!!"
< 1353124567 893235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :guns!!!
< 1353124569 265118 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i ran off too and all of the whiteboards that previously had product info now had sloppy pictures of guns on them and the word "guns!!!"
< 1353124589 154106 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were gathered around at the lamb sandwiches and apparently my dad dropped his 2 pistols (????) there??, and they were gone
< 1353124598 617126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does your family have guns
< 1353124600 904068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone has guns in america : /
< 1353124601 394437 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353124611 62050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1353124611 533906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i dont have guns : (
< 1353124612 613003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure !!
< 1353124615 708251 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lights went back to normal and everyone regrouped at like this pillar thing for a motivational speech
< 1353124619 997155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i get some
< 1353124630 298535 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget exactly what the speech was but i was thinking "man it'd be dumb and predictable if this guy had the guns"
< 1353124639 322874 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he had the guns and shot both me and my dad at the same time and i fainted
< 1353124658 386956 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i came to it turns out they were just bb guns and the bb had embedded itself in my muscle and it hurt
< 1353124693 889558 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad advised removing it with scissors but watching out for this one vein that has to be connected properly or else you'll have improper flow of water or something and can survive for a few hours just feeling but then die and this has ended a lot of lives
< 1353124705 351731 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot what happened next and then i woke up and it still hurt for a bit the end
< 1353124733 198758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: just feeling
< 1353124758 448027 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353124760 804805 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just feeling fine
< 1353124791 753763 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in another dream i dreamed of accidentally putting raw egg in my fruit juice
< 1353124808 692235 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and freaking out because i always thought putting raw egg in fruit juice was silly and for old people
< 1353124814 96394 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now i could get diseased from the raw egg
< 1353124819 815371 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my mother suggested cooking the fruit juice
< 1353124845 86499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's annoying?  when i claim some phrase is ambiguous and other people try to refute my claim by telling me their personal interpretation of what it means
< 1353124864 371825 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't happen to me
< 1353124879 332317 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe try harder
< 1353124885 403784 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever their personal interpretation happens it's a clarification not a refutation ime.......
< 1353124935 148738 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another dream: another "me driving badly" dream :(
< 1353124952 48822 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "twist" here is i had to deliver something to family-friend house and i kept hitting other cars and swerving off the road
< 1353124955 573856 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i had to pick the car up
< 1353124958 959608 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :place it back on the road
< 1353124960 652193 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep on driving
< 1353124964 16974 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at one point i lost the car
< 1353124966 626969 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i found it again
< 1353124972 522999 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point i just ramped off of another car
< 1353124979 21910 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was like "uuuuuuuugh" because me driving badly dream
< 1353125011 715391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't mean the person who originally used the phrase, just random people who have an opinion as to what it means and clearly their opinion is the only correct one
< 1353125018 266024 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353125021 237753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: of what your claim means or of what the phrase means
< 1353125023 994187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind though
< 1353125025 586742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMBIGUOUS
< 1353125028 700876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this whine is too specific
< 1353125031 746905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be appreciated by others
< 1353125036 155144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we apologize for the inconvenience
< 1353125038 251886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not specific enough!
< 1353125044 105176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should give a specific example of a phrase.
< 1353125064 269255 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh here's the dream with the elephant herd:
< 1353125065 152410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also a person we can h8 for it.
< 1353125070 406266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"communal h8"
< 1353125097 828748 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the time I woke up I couldn't remember enough of my dream to give an interesting account of it.  I guess in one part I was in a team trying to enter some competition and there were a bunch of challenges we had to pass
< 1353125100 299135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : another dream: another "me driving badly" dream :(
< 1353125105 260784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last time it was someone else driving badly tho?
< 1353125107 462313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps do you drive badly irl
< 1353125118 91315 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive never driven a car i dont have a license
< 1353125122 85119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1353125141 33561 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for each challenge we could only have 2 team members trying it at a time and one of the challenges was killing a herd of elephants
< 1353125159 657348 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guesss that's all i remembered
< 1353125165 364355 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :next dream
< 1353125227 933116 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the past few days I've had 2 dreams where I played 2 weird video games that don't actually exist in real life :'("
< 1353125245 312132 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :first video game dream: the game was something like you're visiting your relatives on a remote island and you;re there for 12 days
< 1353125271 974726 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the game can end in a bunch of different ways depending on the stuff you do
< 1353125292 597522 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I got one of the dumb bad endings and one of the "ok you played the game normally" endings
< 1353125305 486253 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the bad ending i went to my bed and slept through all 12 days
< 1353125312 126258 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember a few things about the game though
< 1353125327 787166 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like on the first night your grandmother dies and she's found in the bathroom with 3 blue candles lodged in her back
< 1353125350 28168 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another thing is if you kill your relatives you can collect your souls and give them to these clam soul receptacle things so they can be reborn and you can watch their dreams
< 1353125370 207203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :were any of their dreams good
< 1353125386 723151 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i tried it with one of them and their dreams was this person that's just floating and he's all black and lumpy and instead of a face has a huge cavity covered up by a layer of weird stuff--think baleen hair
< 1353125409 894964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think monqy remembers more things about his dreams than i remember about my entire life to date
< 1353125436 138875 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :next game dream: the part I remember is you're this girl and you have to get home but there's an explosion that happens on the way and for most endings of the game you have to get burned to a crisp but
< 1353125451 70987 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going for the secret ending where you have to duck into a farm
< 1353125474 533099 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and walk through the farm and there's a shack in the farm and you go in the shack and there's this guy who comes up to you on a tractor and I said hi and he made a really scary face so I ran away
< 1353125477 220065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you play Myst III: Exile
< 1353125482 970780 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so
< 1353125488 571124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353125495 271484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about elliott
< 1353125496 74967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or kmc
< 1353125500 270636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353125509 649888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : i think monqy remembers more things about his dreams than i remember about my entire life to date
< 1353125513 411306 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there was an angry cat but there was also a nice cat so I got the nice cat to distract the angry cat and ran through and passed by a shy cat and it led into the girl's room and you prop yourself up on your disembodied legs which were waiting for you at the foot of your bed
< 1353125515 553230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he isn't remembering them off the top of his head
< 1353125559 551807 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats it for that dream
< 1353125612 64919 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoo boy her'es a "bad dream"
< 1353125656 67237 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bad dream involved me drinking some beer that tasted like tomato juice and until I was about half way done with it it wasn't so bad apart from the taste but then at half way done it hit really hard and I got a splitting headache and felt really woozy
< 1353125660 694997 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember why I drank it
< 1353125669 684236 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[nb ive never drank anything ever irl so idk what its like]
< 1353125681 397587 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was lkike before school too
< 1353125685 882986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[don't you die of thirst??]
< 1353125689 930969 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353125694 916710 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its on my tombstone
< 1353125696 915534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[sorry :'(]
< 1353125745 870829 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in another part i needed batteries for some reason and i don't know why but i decided to go to the nearby elementary school for them but as i was approaching i noticed they were sounding an alarm so i thought to myself "wow it must be the stranger alarm how convenient i'll be friendly and ask for some batteries"
< 1353125775 591417 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i go up to one of the playground supervisors and say hi stranger is the alarm a stranger alarm and she says no so i figure it'd be a bad idea to ask for batteries and i leave
< 1353125783 51298 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then she says have a nice day and i realize she's my grandmother
< 1353125808 564630 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in this dream were giant bugs and they were my friends
< 1353125815 883467 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huge centipedes crawling everywhere &c
< 1353125891 759776 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dream: I was playing some new king's quest game and I got to a part where there was this wizard and he's like HOW MUCH DO YOU WANT TO ACHIEVE YOUR GOALS and there were four balloons each with choices in them to the north south east and west
< 1353125897 711544 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't see east or west but south was like
< 1353125900 266334 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT VERY MUCH
< 1353125903 532246 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A LITTLE BIT I GUESS
< 1353125905 869908 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES PLEASE
< 1353125909 790246 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I REALLY WANT TO ACHIEVE MY GOALS
< 1353125915 288379 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and north was just ADOLESENCE
< 1353125925 199555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about bridge
< 1353125932 607321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i used to play bridge in 4th grade"
< 1353125942 93278 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eventually i figured out that this was the difficulty selection screen and to get hard mode you had to select the hardest difficulty, which was the uppermost, so i selected ADOLESENCE
< 1353125944 884226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(or was it 3rd grade")
< 1353125951 749698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you ever played a king's quest game. i played a few old ones but i was really bad at them
< 1353125958 583579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo: lucasarts games: better?
< 1353125960 90795 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i've watched some footage
< 1353125967 766066 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: amazing games
< 1353125969 635060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Should I play _Grim Fandango_?
< 1353125969 895800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :king's quest footage
< 1353125975 370432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you haven't already?
< 1353125975 719705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I haven't played it.
< 1353125978 208879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never.
< 1353125987 340294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even monqy has played grim fandango. probably.
< 1353125992 550826 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1353125994 98349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1353125995 234826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should
< 1353125995 380187 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should tho
< 1353126001 135930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i played _Monkey Island 4_! :'(
< 1353126008 668097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"basically the same thing"
< 1353126013 413948 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one part in this thing i went into a cold area and the narrator was like THIS IS COLD so i left and tried getting to a hot area and even once i was already there i shivered and turned into bones
< 1353126016 820164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n.b. the interface is awful
< 1353126023 69580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly worse than MI4's iirc
< 1353126030 432371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing like a point and click game where you can neither point nor click
< 1353126034 597055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you be worse than mi4
< 1353126065 250420 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another part of the dream: a few other people and i were at a water park but it only had one ride except it wasn't really a ride it was more of a horrible horrible amazing obstacle course
< 1353126094 913839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you play "the neverhood"?
< 1353126099 542305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"best game? i think so"
< 1353126102 13108 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but i've heard of it
< 1353126119 968800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no i've neverhood of it" - not monqy
< 1353126125 576185 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember one part where there are sort of platform things over water and you had to leap across them except they're freely rotating on their axles so they'll spin when you hit them and some sections of them are this blue thing with an arrow and if you touch the arrow you;ll get sent back to the start
< 1353126142 706480 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another part is just a water slide except all the water is actually blue dye and it dyes your skin blue
< 1353126225 262173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you a grim "fan" dango
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< 1353126301 447264 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dream: what I remember: there's a virtual reality game and I'm playing it with an unkown friend and it's in black and white
< 1353126306 576589 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point I think there's a big ball
< 1353126310 428563 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and near the end there's a big bear
< 1353126328 729166 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I feel like being ajerk and moving in such a way as to attract the bear's atention and then get it to run towards my friend
< 1353126333 452776 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then we run away from the bear together
< 1353126368 806266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : i remember one part where there are sort of platform things over water and you had to leap across them except they're freely rotating on their axles so they'll spin when you hit them and some sections of them are this blue thing with an arrow and if you touch the arrow you;ll get sent back to the start
< 1353126372 863537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds sort of like this total wipeout thing
< 1353126376 468353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can i have your dreams :¸(
< 1353126377 743165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/second this/that/
< 1353126386 72830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dreams are all about elliott. boring.
< 1353126391 746940 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :totes
< 1353126586 639704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.danielamos.com/
< 1353126674 991314 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dream: I'm in this wacky town in the middle of nowhere staying at the house of some english teacher I don't know is she's a relative or if I'm in one of her classes in bizarro world or I'm coauthoring a dreambook with her or what
< 1353126711 74670 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason I'm looking through the tests/homework she gives and the short stories she writes and the short stories contain the answers to all the homework/tests but in really stupid ways
< 1353126765 834788 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently someone made a full show out of a joke dub of the Kaiji anime and she made her class watch it and she wrote a fanfic about it and gave a homework/test/whatever problem about her fanfic
< 1353126774 135045 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and she wrote another fanfic in which Kaiji answers her problem about him
< 1353126777 573394 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's just the stupidest thing
< 1353126793 71593 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I noticed everyone in her neighbourhood was actually from her short stories
< 1353126799 580555 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then they noticed I noticed and tried to drown me
< 1353126822 882266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this may be the best dream yet
< 1353126839 429248 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I could breathe underwater and I found a manhole and went into the sewers but the sewers were glittery black caves with rainbow chalk grrowing out of the walls and if you crushed the chalk in your hands and pit them on the walls and pulled away you could make handholds and platforms and stuff
< 1353126860 718676 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was more water and I had to run away from it etc etc and when I got out of the cave I was like at this award ceremony thing and I fell onto the stage
< 1353126883 142731 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the english teacher and her neighbors and I were being awarded the prestigious award for Best Yaoi but nobody knew what yaoi meant
< 1353126892 890168 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then we lead the Yaoi Parade through town and oh god it was so stupid
< 1353126896 875446 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : and then i woke up
< 1353126897 872814 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end
< 1353126916 826326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1353126921 202924 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1353126932 223182 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god its really weird to read these old dreams and i forget parts of them and then i read them and remember them
< 1353127008 751530 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thats the earliest dream i have logged in my logs from that channel
< 1353127911 719342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you believe luite was in SF and didn't get a proper burrito the entire time?
< 1353127956 741161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"neither can i"
< 1353128477 280525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can computer simulation of swell shades?
< 1353128668 739771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you ever heard the neverhood music
< 1353128687 119554 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget
< 1353128713 453570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google potatoes tomatoes gravy and peas
< 1353128715 403381 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6R5x1VP2b4
< 1353128727 283338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: if your dreams were music, they would be the neverhood music
< 1353129660 41797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "partikkel" command of Csound is very complicated, with forty parameters.
< 1353132310 872151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swell shades make the sound not only quiet but also sounds more distant. How can such thing simulation by computer?
< 1353132355 385388 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to set up a quota on amount of time a process can run on Linux?
< 1353132361 799340 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if so, is there a way to see this quota?
< 1353132416 717075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know, but maybe you can make some program to run the other program and then stop it afterward, if you need that but it does not have another command to do that.
< 1353132435 588467 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I don't want to do it. I want to know if I'm laboring under it.
< 1353132450 296982 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it would be a quota for any process.
< 1353132460 498091 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I run
< 1353132476 474464 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask the sysadmin?
< 1353132577 420272 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353132578 291905 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even sure whether or not the sysadmin is the project manager or just someone the project manager knows.
< 1353132606 133416 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-149-29.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353132814 635462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ulimit
< 1353132857 586289 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found my answer.
< 1353133144 896589 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1353133964 654647 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to stop writing programs in such a way that only I am able to configure the environment properly.
< 1353133993 139136 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's more of a documentation issue.
< 1353134019 954788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's both
< 1353134532 777431 :Ceril!~Kyle1315x@dialup-4.244.81.247.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net PART :#esoteric
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< 1353135173 112650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Have you watched Kaiji anime? I have watched the first two seasons, with subtitles. We put them in a CD and then played it on the DVD player.
< 1353135191 543000 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I have
< 1353135197 165923 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first two seasons
< 1353135200 863548 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there more yet
< 1353135218 17417 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if there is any more yet.
< 1353135275 904192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it is very good. I also watched Death Note, although not even finish to watch first season we do have the CDs of the first and second season, and that is good too. Death Note is dubbed though, rather than subtitles.
< 1353135325 541407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have all the Akagi manga up to 25
< 1353135366 572412 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know majong; would it make sense without this knowledge
< 1353135368 796131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "i recommend not logreading the past half hour or so of #haskell"
< 1353135398 656718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Maybe a little bit, I suppose, although knowing mahjong would help to understand more.
< 1353136001 601178 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Death Note had both dubs and subs
< 1353136116 296235 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, I don't know, the one I have for Death Note is dub, and the one for Kaiji is sub. These are what my brother found, they are in Xvid format so they will be recorded into a CD and then played in the combination VCR/DVD we have, which can also play DivX (on CD or DVD; apparently CD is faster though)
< 1353136174 347970 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try to learn how to play Majong
< 1353136183 282638 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe try actually playing Backgammon at some point.
< 1353136192 218672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it seems many more Xvid/DivX files can fit in one CD than storing standard DVD-video on DVD.
< 1353136262 108710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: There are many different rules for mahjong; a popular mahjong rules is Japanese mahjong, which is also the one played in Akagi, and is popular throughout the world even in places where they play other forms of mahjong too.
< 1353136748 28968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fukumoto (the person who wrote Akagi and Kaiji) mades terrible drawing (he admits this) but the story is very good, and he invented some games too, such as Washizu Mahjong, Restricted Rock-Paper-Scissors, E-card, and other games that were used in his manga.
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< 1353140328 723458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's nethack-tas doingon termcast.org
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< 1353141510 43453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know about annotate-output?
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< 1353142125 614606 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders how to cheat ulimit -t
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< 1353142422 620550 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh what... I have Eclipse with the android SDK on two computers. I started an upgrade of both them within a minute from each other. Same packages to upgrade on both. Yet one finished in less than a minute and the other one (on the faster computer) is still going half an hour later, at 30% currently
< 1353142432 438989 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that make any sense?
< 1353142489 913313 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Network issues?
< 1353142535 264983 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, they are both on the same switch
< 1353142546 80256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott
< 1353142566 43253 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Abrupt network issues of the server hosting the updates?
< 1353142602 462457 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly but the updates ran overlapping each other by at least half a minute, so surely there shouldn't be issues there
< 1353142613 348784 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, anyway I started the computer that is still going *first*
< 1353142633 792020 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1353142659 267215 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, one difference is that it runs windows and the fast one runs linux
< 1353142669 679606 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why would that affect HTTP performance?
< 1353142687 968806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what
< 1353142716 924823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You know the thing where #haskell gets overrun by people who don't know what they're talking about?
< 1353142727 104943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then they start giving advice to each other?
< 1353142734 13499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you're just outnumbered.
< 1353142745 815010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you do?
< 1353143119 933805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know at what age basketball players retire?
< 1353143187 34062 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have already won every game so far this season, but I still wish to optimize my strategy.
< 1353143851 958530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Csound commands says it will break the speakers. It is possible to design speakers to filter out the sound which breaks it?
< 1353144170 877612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: At least to me, there is no need to do anything, as far as I can tell.
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< 1353145400 23803 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Different mirrors?
< 1353145445 754152 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Linux and Windows would have a different TCP stack, but I don't think Windows's TCP stack would be that bad..
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< 1353146748 199482 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: Different mirrors? <-- maybe
< 1353146759 861031 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, and yeah the TCP stack shouldn't differ that much
< 1353146772 702978 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, btw it still hasn't finished XD
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< 1353147010 996160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just shook a laser printer cartridge, and now the print quality is back to pretty much as good as this printer gets. (The sad thing is that it took like six months before I was motivated enough to do that.)
< 1353147031 127864 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh
< 1353147185 672111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit weird that a new toner cartridge to this old cheap-when-it-was-bought b/w laser is about double the price of a brand new color laser. (160 eur, vs. 80 eur.)
< 1353147216 666036 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1353147229 485968 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that a third party cartridge?
< 1353147236 787101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's the official one.
< 1353147248 391086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What model of printer is it?
< 1353147250 90744 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :get third party ones? They are most likely way cheaper
< 1353147296 651395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still half full according to the sensors, it apparently just needed a good shake. It *has* been like five years in use already; we don't really use the printer much.
< 1353147349 170522 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the statistics page a total of thousand pages has been printed on it, and I guess it's closer to seven years already when we got it. 
< 1353147354 966946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it's a Lexmark E232.)
< 1353147477 738957 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1353147721 479040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know at FreeGeek we have a Lexmark laser printer; I am unsure the model number, but I know they don't always use the newest equipment there (they just use whatever is available); it supports PCL, HTML, PDF, and PostScript, although I have only used the PCL. I think it is the only Lexmark laser printer which I have used, though.
< 1353147767 199813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one is in the cheaper end of the range, so it only speaks PCL.
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< 1353147936 697715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seem good enough. I don't know why the printer would need to support the other formats, since you should be able to convert whatever you have to PCL.
< 1353148058 983215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example you can use Ghostscript if you need to run any PostScript files, or you can use programs such as "dvilj" and so on to convert DVI to PCL. Or, you can use the system printer drivers.
< 1353148081 767107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, if you just have plain text, PCL compatible printers should print those too.
< 1353148118 782176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Network printers sometimes support all kinds of curious stuff. Like this one thing a friend had, you could FTP into it and upload a postscript file, then it would print it out. We even used that to make printing from Netscape in Linux work (this was... quite a while ago); the printing command was just a script that did a FTP upload. Was easier than fiddling with LPRng network stuff.
< 1353148124 36366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESC/P compatible printers will also print plain text, so if you have that you can use that too.
< 1353148195 869981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One feature of network printers I have used in school was to put a password on the print job.
< 1353148244 72630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, I did not get my printout mixed up with everyone else who was printing at the same time.
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< 1353154416 20439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brouwer%E2%80%93Heyting%E2%80%93Kolmogorov_interpretation
< 1353154485 294469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you look at that, you see that both ∃ and ∀ are defined in terms of Φ, which is a sort of function.
< 1353154489 479398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or more of a metafunction?)
< 1353154541 128443 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye
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< 1353156441 300539 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, you know what? I left the computer for a few hours, Eclipse is now on 35%. Lol what...
< 1353156602 30148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an asymptotical thing.
< 1353156609 425734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be 100% at the end of time itself.
< 1353156613 422440 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, going slower and slower? yeah probably
< 1353156624 999942 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 kB/s
< 1353156626 377369 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1353156639 794180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's, like, better than dialup.
< 1353156664 679424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, it is not the computer itself, since I can do other stuff just fine on it, tested watching a youtube video in 1080p, worked just fine
< 1353156708 671269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They might have some DNS round-robin or something on mirrors, and your box won the first price on the "who gets the slowest one" competition.
< 1353156715 4250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So why does one direction of http://www.vex.net/~trebla/weblog/any-all-some.html only work with a condition?
< 1353156725 647515 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, probably
< 1353156769 854355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably do something about this by-default-in-Swedish Google at some point.
< 1353156790 476057 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds useful
< 1353156791 31003 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't google?
< 1353156973 157923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not "doing something", that's "not doing something".
< 1353157013 227590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo 0.0.0.0 www.google.com >> /etc/hosts ?
< 1353157031 384745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: A useful answer: http://www.google.com/ncr
< 1353158332 595597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, i can see why you'd want to change that
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< 1353164372 603925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whois monqy
< 1353164384 985583 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: whois: not found
< 1353164388 285991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1353164391 98064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monqy
< 1353164395 282056 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The friendship monqy is an ancient Chinese mystery; ask itidus21 for details.
< 1353164409 945473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ whois monqy
< 1353164410 91089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No whois server is known for this kind of object.
< 1353164425 968287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow "this kind of object" sounds a bit disparaging.
< 1353164456 13005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whois woman
< 1353164542 231158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same result.
< 1353164943 64510 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353165175 937235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently john mcafee might have killed a dude?? surely the kind of people who write virus scanners are more mild-mannered than that
< 1353165267 67557 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they are on average as mild-mannered as the average person
< 1353165271 931919 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-80.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what they said about Clark Kent
< 1353165308 779277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Virus scanner developers are about as dangerous as file system developers.
< 1353165343 346876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The whole sex-drugs aspect of the McAfee thing is a bit novel, though.)
< 1353165381 563256 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many file system developers there are in the world, and how many killings you can expect in a group of that size
< 1353165434 31713 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I'd go across the street just in case, if I saw a group of file system developers walking towards me on my side of it.
< 1353165446 549120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... suppose you can recognize them somehow? 
< 1353165467 951502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have B-tree tattoos and so on, right?
< 1353165484 857471 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they all have namesys t-shirts?
< 1353165655 423540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I killed my wife and all I got was this lousy t-shirt" t-shirts? 
< 1353165746 871375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I got my other Stripe shirt, finally; some two weeks later than kmc. (The drawbacks of living Up Here.)
< 1353165828 476654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Finland really count as a "here"
< 1353166079 100526 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would for people in Finland, but I'm pretty sure it's uninhabited
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< 1353166783 737545 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you will be excited to learn that my operating system can receive keyboard input now
< 1353166798 702554 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. it has an interrupt handler that prints the received scan code then continues whatever it was doing)
< 1353166858 285015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: gosh
< 1353166868 895350 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's totally amazing
< 1353166908 752911 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers writing an OS for some ARM board
< 1353166941 939081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: did you ever write your own assembler or whatever
< 1353166974 483707 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also saved like 500 bytes by not having the entire idt as constant data but generate it on startup instead
< 1353167444 916847 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why use your own assembler when there is fasm
< 1353167458 784150 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just write a frontend for it for your OS
< 1353167467 698555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because fasm sucks
< 1353167471 759758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never used it, but I'm sure it sucks
< 1353167480 300840 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fasm is awesome
< 1353167491 25104 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only problem with it is that it only runs on x86-type machines
< 1353167514 192523 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the version with the ARM target doesn't run on ARM
< 1353167552 754640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't sound awesome
< 1353167716 149579 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we discussing assemblers
< 1353167973 637740 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353167996 624444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if Vorpal says gas is best again i will have to leave and then go to sweden and hit him
< 1353168101 121598 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I have no specific opinion on which assembler software is best. The only thing I have an opinion on is which syntax is best
< 1353168111 999432 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you chose at&t?
< 1353168129 87587 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well, I'm more used to reading that when it comes to x86
< 1353168135 677026 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1353168190 571219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, other than x86(|-64) I mostly wrote PIC and AVR assembly. And I just used whatever the toolchain provided. Don't even remmeber PIC assembly any longer, was so many years ago
< 1353168268 656716 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, frankly I can quite easily adapt to whatever the toolchain uses, it is just a question of reading the docs. Assembly in general is not exactly complicated. There isn't much syntax to learn (especially on PIC or AVR)
< 1353168287 973274 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the rest is just reading data sheets for the ISA to figure out the instructions
< 1353168298 102161 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which can be a daunting task on x86)
< 1353168312 614193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, x86 effective addressing is pretty unintuitive, actually
< 1353168326 803256 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, x86 is pretty unintuitive
< 1353168334 213712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at&t syntax is an effective way of making it as unintuitive as possible
< 1353168358 501780 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I don't write much asm on x86, I mostly read it, as output from gcc -S or similar
< 1353168389 347035 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I code as little as possible in assembly. There are compilers for a reason.
< 1353168401 759202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who write "mov [eax+4*ebx], cl" are always asking "why doesn't [eax+5*ebx] work?", though.
< 1353168424 721936 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well, that would be because 5 is not a power of 2 surely?
< 1353168433 501109 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :the syntax should show it as a shift then!
< 1353168437 54325 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1353168461 846895 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot exactly how large a shift can be encoded though
< 1353168473 347749 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well tbh nasm does automatically convert [5*eax] to [eax+4*eax] which is questionable
< 1353168513 180890 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you are kind of out luck with [6*eax] though, presumably?
< 1353168524 749018 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1353168625 876153 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes)
< 1353168806 720961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1, 2, 4 and 8 are legal scales.
< 1353169048 115700 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, why are volume controls so screwy for most sound card & head phone/ear bud/speaker combos. A reasonable level is usually either near max or near min...
< 1353169056 803223 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I just being unlucky?
< 1353169067 10204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you see dne :: forall a. (forall m. Monad m => (a -> m Void) -> m Void) -> a; dne e = case e Left of Left x -> x; Right _ -> undefined
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< 1353169178 206151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Rather, dne :: forall a. (forall m. Monad m => (a -> m Void) -> m Void) -> a; dne e = case e Left of Left x -> x; Right u -> absurd u
< 1353169186 488144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sorry about the undefined"
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< 1353169665 993846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It certainly happens to me too; pairing the USB sound dongle I have with the headphones (64Ω nominal impedance, shouldn't be *that* strange) means sensible sound levels at about two or three of the steps right above the minimum "hardware" volume level; and those are already pretty loud. (Then again, for the laptop's headphone hole, the levels are quite reasonable.)
< 1353169683 153817 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm
< 1353169707 893371 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I find that the built in speakers in my laptop require near max level for anything to happen
< 1353169727 958764 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and any headphones or earbuds that I use require near minimum
< 1353169754 351508 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I had to set up a -35 dB gain to the output stage of my SB Live DSP to get a reasonable master volume control on it
< 1353169759 704736 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty absurd
< 1353169764 887876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, let lem1 :: (forall m. Monad m => (a -> m w)) -> (forall m. Monad m => (a -> m Void) -> m w) -> w; lem1 pos neg = case neg Left of Right y -> y; Left y -> runIdentity (pos y)
< 1353169769 561260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No absurd needed
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< 1353170023 891702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, for the USB dongle sensible volume levels (as per alsamixer) for the "Speaker" output -- the only control it has -- are about the steps 3/100 .. 6/100 (reportedly -27 .. -25 dB gain); anything below is completely silent, anything above is just too loud.
< 1353170117 955320 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh
< 1353170162 493346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, it has an "Auto Gain Control" toggle that's a *playback* control, according to alsamixer. I don't know what it does, but I would've assumed it's something to do with the mic capture instead.)
< 1353170297 254385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Toggling it does absolutely nothing w.r.t. playback.)
< 1353170611 968352 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I have gain controls for virtually everything
< 1353170677 585441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of headphones, my wife's father, the high-fidelity guy, bought Sennheiser HD 800's recently; they came with this "certificate" paper thing that had the measured frequency response curves for that particular individual pair. (Then again, their price here is a thousand euros, so I suppose there's enough of a profit margin there to do small things like that.)
< 1353170678 913314 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, btw, if you have a card based on emu10k1 I would suggest you swap the front and back channels, the front channel uses an AC97 codec for the DAC, the back one uses some I2S thingy instead
< 1353170683 863447 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is less noisy
< 1353170702 50188 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah
< 1353170715 224684 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine only came with a general frequency response curve for the model
< 1353170724 315580 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(BeyerDynamic DT-150)
< 1353170730 533003 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spelling?)
< 1353170735 191507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did mine. I think; I've lost the box and any things like that.
< 1353170786 885381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sennhaiser had cleverly stopped the curves at something like 50 Hz in the low end, 12.5 kHz in the high end, so it looked impressively flat.
< 1353171079 499499 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1353171830 843800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1353173123 278400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a really tiny embedded Google Maps box on this page; the [Map] [Satellite] [Terrain] buttons -- normally [Kartta] [Sateelliitti] [Maasto] in Finnish -- are shown as [Kartta] ([Ia] or [la]) [Maas].
< 1353173136 292705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last one is a reasonable truncation, but I don't know where that middle one is coming.
< 1353173176 412722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copy-paste reveals it's a [la] button.
< 1353173813 932244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have a thing where NetworkManager goes to a "use 100% CPU" mode very often.
< 1353173931 207105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/1009879 -- that thing except not always with Transmission.
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< 1353173968 213352 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1353173973 830772 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-80.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey
< 1353173999 924834 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1353174232 215364 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-80.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The documentation for the Tumblr API is somewhat lacking in places
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< 1353176097 777112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what is annotate-output?
< 1353176115 395668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see
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< 1353176176 198393 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius
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< 1353177719 894705 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone got any Forth books lurking around that are no longer required? :-)
< 1353177752 477798 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-80.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got one on Lotus
< 1353177755 910475 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-80.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of like Forth
< 1353178320 685354 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lotus 1-2-3?
< 1353178395 241469 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-80.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The very same!
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< 1353179024 219215 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, there are some pretty good tutorials on line if you want that
< 1353179857 327954 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's stuff to collect / review / get ideas from that I'm looking for.
< 1353179884 113209 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly the advanced books
< 1353180558 745666 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, don't have any such
< 1353180583 132546 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, but Forth is not exactly a language that is hard to master I would say
< 1353180733 871620 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353180861 841286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :god damn, chrome's unified search/url bar is annoying. Can't access dsldevice.lan, works fine in firefox
< 1353180864 742972 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how weird
< 1353180874 377537 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame, since chrome is otherwise an awesome browser
< 1353180931 11773 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found I'm unhappy with all browsers.
< 1353180935 690449 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But least unhappy with Opera.
< 1353180936 635277 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1353180959 864269 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really liked opera, not for any specific reason though, just generally unhappy with it
< 1353180998 560072 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox is the slowest, buggiest piece of shit. Chrome is well-implemented, but my web browsing habits are incompatible with its UI.
< 1353181005 915512 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1353181011 25453 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what habits are those?
< 1353181013 648848 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To give you an idea: I use vertical tabs.
< 1353181019 611038 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1353181025 140987 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :does even firefox support that?
< 1353181029 847139 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With an extension.
< 1353181036 904979 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tabs on the side instead of the top?
< 1353181040 487702 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup.
< 1353181053 41880 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the advantages of that setup?
< 1353181075 910108 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Easy access to a giant bunch of tabs. Makes use of screen real estate better.
< 1353181093 936496 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you have a wide screen monitor that is
< 1353181100 989812 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it would waste space
< 1353181105 515850 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I do.
< 1353181110 292609 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also assuming you use full screen browser
< 1353181113 289539 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I don't
< 1353181114 596630 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I do.
< 1353181117 410510 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1353181124 169368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not a good setup for me
< 1353181131 186630 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The big thing, though, is that I use a *lot* of tabs.
< 1353181137 907222 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO chrome works well for me except for the unified URL/search thing
< 1353181183 802301 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I try to cut down on number of tabs, I found I simply used it as a backlog and would not end up using the top ones once they went down more than a few lines in firefox (with tab mix plus)
< 1353181194 279323 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 52 tabs open right now.
< 1353181202 199152 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 20
< 1353181211 540723 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have upwards of a few hundred
< 1353181307 938561 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :question: does anyone have any idea why Android phones would adjust the volume in fixed steps, instead of a smooth slider?
< 1353181320 726099 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :None at all.
< 1353181348 282682 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seems to be no advantage to it, also it means I need to use the equaliser in the music player to apply maximum negative value over the board
< 1353181365 6021 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise I would just use volume 1
< 1353181373 955484 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I use 1-4 depending on the music
< 1353181493 792997 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-80.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm listening to Volume 6 at the moment
< 1353181503 327971 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-80.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Track 11, Wacky Antics
< 1353181541 638589 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, volume 6 of what?
< 1353181555 991562 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-80.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck
< 1353181559 418226 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1353181612 552459 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently listening to the $10 reward from the ocremix kickstarter, which is an album by Big Giant Circles.
< 1353181616 963642 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :chiptunes
< 1353181638 664203 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-80.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you enjoying it?
< 1353181651 51244 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far yes
< 1353181667 828477 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-80.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1353181691 230775 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the album is called Impostor Nostalgia, I don't think it is pure chiptunes. It is chiptunes + some other instruments as well
< 1353181736 90323 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, I'm glad I got my SB Live 5.1 working under windows 7 (64-bit) finally so I can enjoy some proper sound quality there, instead of the shitty on board.
< 1353181752 862142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a massive difference from the so called Intel "HD" audio
< 1353181769 393737 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no, not hard to master. But I'm interesting in implemented Forth.
< 1353181776 803350 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, aaah
< 1353181803 424994 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, so I didn't have to reboot to enjoy this music :)
< 1353181829 173351 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-80.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurrah!
< 1353181848 32185 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, btw it is only with these headphones that I can hear the difference, can't hear the difference with my speakers or with my earbuds
< 1353181866 950531 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :BeyerDynamics DT-150 for the reference
< 1353181869 14972 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-80.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not an audiophile at all
< 1353181943 256342 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
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< 1353182481 191610 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what, sound cards should support multiple streams of sound with different buffer sizes, that would make sense from a battery standpoint
< 1353182497 7699 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, these days it is mostly software mixing, so I guess that would be tough
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< 1353184834 397960 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wth is a .tar.md5? It is ~1.16 GB, so I presume it isn't just a md5sum for the tar file...
< 1353184852 727690 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's a tarball of md5sums. :P
< 1353184852 909729 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :file claims it is a normal tar file...
< 1353184870 866796 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, well it is a Samsung smartphone rom, I know that
< 1353184878 419632 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just confused by the extension
< 1353184978 41024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Runs a command and prefixes each line with O or E and a timestamp.
< 1353184978 310910 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1353184999 256248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And also prints the exit code and maybe other things?)
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< 1353185740 649409 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Look at the filenames inside the tar
< 1353185757 733035 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing someone just gave it the wrong extension accidentally
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< 1353187259 387067 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, in fact it is tar + a binary md5 sum concatenated onto the end
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< 1353187709 853200 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sounds like someone did >> instead of > or something
< 1353187774 355760 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, I'm pretty sure it is *supposed* to be that way
< 1353187785 46900 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, that is what the flashing tool wants
< 1353187787 671783 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ridiculous, though.
< 1353187792 565138 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure
< 1353187816 479931 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Course, you'd have to do that intentionally.
< 1353187829 692612 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, but since when did big companies make sense
< 1353187845 446431 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The naive mistake of ">> instead of >" would probably result from someone doing that with the output of md5sum.
< 1353187848 549597 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. ASCII
< 1353187886 43655 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, what sort of checksums does tar have built in
< 1353187892 321610 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :any?
< 1353187987 14700 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like tar only has header checksums.
< 1353188025 134488 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compression formats have some sort of checksum, though.
< 1353188029 493341 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1353188048 892746 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like the common ones all use CRC-32.
< 1353188089 635005 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, .xz has it optional.
< 1353188183 398201 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A .xz file may have a checksum of: none, CRC-32, CRC-64, or SHA256.
< 1353188240 84316 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically, little-endian CRC-32 with polynomial 0xEDB88320, or little-endian CRC-64 with polynomial 0xC96C5795D7870F42
< 1353188380 667242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe i should use that instead of 'ts'
< 1353188392 687696 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be harder to direct a whole shell script into it, from inside the shell script itself
< 1353188397 703882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could always put it in  the crontab
< 1353188410 419937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i kind of like having it all within the script itself --  makes for easier testing, etc.
< 1353188426 813727 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-80.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now officially annoyed at the Cabal problem
< 1353188457 44513 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-80.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the maintainer of authenticate-oauth
< 1353188585 274977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Due to the various emails received by our webmail users of receiving phishing spams, MIT will be upgrading webmail system to 5GB of space, Click the link below to login into your account for confirmation and upgrade.  [link to phishing attempt]"
< 1353188698 209706 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1353188721 577442 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does amount of phishing spams have to do with how much space the webmail system has
< 1353188845 924656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, I didn't know about ts.
< 1353188893 231138 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought what you said was a response to exec 3>&2 > >(ts >> log) 2>&1
< 1353188898 391771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good old moreutils.
< 1353188902 505705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah <3 moreutils
< 1353188906 35984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use "sponge" all the time as well
< 1353188906 181450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Nope, didn't see that. Came up in a different context.
< 1353188908 924598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool
< 1353188912 880492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used sponge today!
< 1353188917 569801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "3>&2" still feels backwards to me, intuitively
< 1353188921 111918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat FILE FILE | sponge FILE
< 1353188934 141892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know why its' the way it is
< 1353188954 59623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does 2>&1 feel backwards?
< 1353188978 169175 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-80.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's counting down@
< 1353188981 655199 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-80.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*?
< 1353188983 404655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no because 2 is already open and i'm saying "send that data from 2 to 1"
< 1353189002 368370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when i'm opening a new fd it feels like the new fd should be the "destination"
< 1353189028 289681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be able to say 2|program
< 1353189037 970299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Maybe it helps if you think of all fds as being open all the time.
< 1353189042 967250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just normally not used.d
< 1353189043 185807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1353189092 495980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is related to the fact that write-only references are contravariant
< 1353189128 250032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should use «echo | sudo sponge» rather than «echo | sudo tee»
< 1353189153 302134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you want streaming, presumably.
< 1353189180 523247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually it is something like echo 4 | sudo tee /proc/sys/vm/frozzle_wobbles
< 1353189192 876142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1353189209 577145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There ought to be a program for writing data into a file streamingly, though.
< 1353189271 487987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently Ubuntu 13.04 is Raring Ringtail
< 1353189280 836889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was hoping for Radical Radish myself
< 1353189285 437379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see http://slbkbs.org/e/b.txt ?
< 1353189286 166081 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-80.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1353189292 964309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a direct port of http://slbkbs.org/e/h.txt
< 1353189314 783967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this
< 1353189321 38143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computes e, I think?
< 1353189322 931833 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353189357 354136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was surprised at how easy it was to port a lazy Haskell program.
< 1353189370 154502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suspects kmc has lost all interest in anything involving Haskell these days.
< 1353189381 423690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug
< 1353189388 533664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still tell people how great haskell is
< 1353189444 82153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've found that if i'm not thinking about haskell all day, it's harder to jump in and decipher some strange type signature
< 1353189447 609718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_longest_tunnels_in_the_world&direction=prev&oldid=523562257#World.27s_longest_tunnels_.28in_use.29
< 1353189566 487846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, our water tunnel is there quite high up.
< 1353189573 818330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Our" in quite a collective sense.)
< 1353189599 281684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the one that does deliver drinking water to people including us, though.
< 1353189689 224862 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1353189719 93256 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it tasty
< 1353189763 909323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rather like it, compared to water in several other places, but it could be an acquired taste.
< 1353189776 820277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm
< 1353189927 233685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :water the differences
< 1353189993 591489 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: * -> * -> *
< 1353189998 269902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no list of longest road tunnels, I was kind of curious. :/
< 1353190022 147635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a type signature; also not strange
< 1353190026 956636 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353190055 229821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a rather pedestrian kind signature
< 1353190066 338016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least Tunnel#Longest lists one.)
< 1353190109 866123 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_long_tunnels_by_type#Road
< 1353190115 152082 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go
< 1353190177 384916 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ^
< 1353190200 971444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are there no links to that from Tunnel#Longest, List_of_tunnels_by_length aka List_of_longest_tunnels_in_the_world, or the "Structure extremes" template? (If there are any, let the question to be modified to ask instead why I didn't notice them.)
< 1353190224 352799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should've gone to the List_of_tunnels category.
< 1353190274 796681 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I simply looked for longest tunnels
< 1353190285 5304 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually no
< 1353190288 542051 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked for list of tunnels
< 1353190290 667687 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_tunnels
< 1353190357 644218 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353190363 256562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I've seen any of those.
< 1353190374 92336 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not
< 1353190446 584724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there is one; I've driven through that Sørdals tunnel in Norway. But it's quite far down the list, only 6.338km.
< 1353190447 468741 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow wikipedia lead me to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musical_road just now
< 1353190476 313761 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The first known musical road, the Asphaltophone, was created in October 1995 in Gylling, Østjylland, Denmark"
< 1353190483 70457 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Asphaltophone
< 1353190488 938508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even know there was one in Denmark.
< 1353190501 138687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had heard of the US one.
< 1353190970 680728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353193143 596749 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PART :#esoteric
< 1353193537 543485 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-159.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353193794 921622 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Locations of singing roads and their sounds on Sound Tourism website" ... this is probably awesome
< 1353193957 630600 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I'm growing up
< 1353194017 760074 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made more than one commit to a thingy on Github
< 1353194028 555253 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I felt myself craving a bowl of cornflakes
< 1353194043 58608 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I voted
< 1353194050 417605 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made two of those git things! one was the tests for the other
< 1353194069 769302 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I need to make one that tests this one when this one is done-ish
< 1353194091 494356 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you get to vote :(
< 1353194098 756453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my opinions are obv. better than yours
< 1353194124 328234 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: the tests will only be relevant in a very small window of time between done-ished and finnished
< 1353194136 141427 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Police Commissioner elections?
< 1353194145 491179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y...ess
< 1353194160 747763 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The candidate I voted for didn't win.
< 1353194167 382001 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He didn't win by a landslide.
< 1353194171 933359 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see! had i voted for him he would've won
< 1353194183 798593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: can you vote for me
< 1353194184 773283 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was the candidate most likely to appear in this channel
< 1353194195 858714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, ok
< 1353194202 547603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "thx"
< 1353194213 758131 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what votes are there right now
< 1353194221 373519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-list
< 1353194221 695346 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :["\"MacGood\"","ConfusedWithVixenSituation","best-programming-language","food","naming","nethack","president","prove->","remove@src","sleep"]
< 1353194231 448514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-show prove->
< 1353194231 721210 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :["proven","proved"]
< 1353194244 237046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vote proven
< 1353194248 183633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help vote
< 1353194248 502407 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vote          Vote for  in 
< 1353194277 877912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-show nethack
< 1353194278 220209 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :["Val_Dwa_Fem_Law","Wiz_Elf_Mal_Cha"]
< 1353194278 365684 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote StarTrek TNG
< 1353194278 511741 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such poll:"StarTrek"
< 1353194289 607756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-show president
< 1353194289 929710 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :["copumpkin"]
< 1353194295 668310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-results president
< 1353194296 2065 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for president (Open): copumpkin=3
< 1353194298 752623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :val_dwa_fem_law
< 1353194299 538402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1353194315 181094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-list sleep
< 1353194315 460964 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :["\"MacGood\"","ConfusedWithVixenSituation","best-programming-language","food","naming","nethack","president","prove->","remove@src","sleep"]
< 1353194317 876211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nihilistdandy for president
< 1353194319 720595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-show sleep
< 1353194320 196756 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :["no","yes"]
< 1353194323 700139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-results sleep
< 1353194324 14334 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for sleep (Open): no=0, yes=7
< 1353194324 160076 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353194330 506603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-results best-programming-language
< 1353194330 759754 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for best-programming-language (Open): COBOL=1, PHP=1, Coq=0, Agda=0, anything-else=0, Haskell=0
< 1353194343 257701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-results naming
< 1353194343 574246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for naming (Closed): Lovelace=1, Babbage=0
< 1353194346 808897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-results food
< 1353194347 134320 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for food (Open): quesadilla=2, meatball-sub=1
< 1353194353 885014 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COBOL was the language of my ancestors!
< 1353194354 30535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-results remove@src
< 1353194354 426609 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for remove@src (Closed): no=1, yes=1
< 1353194363 689778 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coq; babbage; quesadilla
< 1353194370 891340 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353194377 477784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover; You're not voting!
< 1353194385 181746 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm telling you what to vote
< 1353194395 166081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? No. I'm not even British.
< 1353194395 647705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also how could anyone not vote babbage)
< 1353194401 929147 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's one letter from cabbage ffs)
< 1353194437 705700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's two letters from baggage
< 1353194464 727570 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called the triangle inequality for a reason
< 1353194502 465894 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of people (except macgyver) keep a geiger counter in their car?
< 1353194512 666309 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radiographers?
< 1353194513 442066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-results ConfusedWithVixenSituation
< 1353194513 715058 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for ConfusedWithVixenSituation (Open): no=0, yes=2
< 1353194519 929826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :commuters in chernobyl?
< 1353194521 217381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-results "MacGood"
< 1353194521 550598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for "MacGood" (Open):
< 1353194549 952958 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I read *computers in chernobyl
< 1353194581 728331 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would a computer need a car
< 1353194609 44480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list pol
< 1353194609 302244 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No module "pol" loaded
< 1353194610 88222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list poll
< 1353194610 513725 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :poll provides: poll-list poll-show poll-add choice-add vote poll-result poll-close poll-remove
< 1353194630 629623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-add best-spoken-language
< 1353194630 917575 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Added new poll: "best-spoken-language"
< 1353194639 160046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add best-spoken-language norwegian
< 1353194639 440056 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "norwegian", added to poll "best-spoken-language".
< 1353194646 646543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-spoken-language norwegian
< 1353194647 94669 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "norwegian"
< 1353194648 416464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-spoken-language norwegian
< 1353194648 730682 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "norwegian"
< 1353194648 876187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-spoken-language norwegian
< 1353194649 132002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-spoken-language norwegian
< 1353194649 277425 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "norwegian"
< 1353194649 529832 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "norwegian"
< 1353194650 505245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-spoken-language norwegian
< 1353194650 830205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "norwegian"
< 1353194653 17236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-spoken-language norwegian
< 1353194653 433030 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "norwegian"
< 1353194659 927409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-results best-spoken-language
< 1353194660 265097 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for best-spoken-language (Open): norwegian=6
< 1353194670 361720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "ur move"
< 1353194715 210932 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unvote best-spoken-language norwegian
< 1353194715 540791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "norwegian"
< 1353194727 306667 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-results best-spoken-language
< 1353194727 638327 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for best-spoken-language (Open): Manx=1, norwegian=7
< 1353194739 951140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this crap
< 1353194745 642945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that a type of cat?
< 1353194787 783707 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-spoken-language Welsh
< 1353194787 996453 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Welsh" is not currently a candidate in this poll
< 1353194817 103369 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-spoken-language polish
< 1353194817 383956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"polish" is not currently a candidate in this poll
< 1353194832 491646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-furniture-activity polish
< 1353194832 858319 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such poll:"best-furniture-activity"
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< 1353198408 866147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pole-results best-spoken-language
< 1353198409 195525 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for best-spoken-language (Open): Polish=344, Welsh=1, Georgian=1, Manx=1, norwegian=8
< 1353198432 165156 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1353198452 460094 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you vote for Polish 344 times, shachaf?
< 1353198463 1491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Huh?
< 1353198466 865639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pole-results best-spoken-language
< 1353198467 145290 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for best-spoken-language (Open): Polish=344, Welsh=1, Georgian=1, Manx=1, norwegian=8
< 1353198470 76809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-spoken-language georgian
< 1353198470 343540 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"georgian" is not currently a candidate in this poll
< 1353198476 365288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-spoken-language Georgian
< 1353198476 736379 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "Georgian"
< 1353198490 613595 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should vote oerian
< 1353198505 750463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pole-results best-spoken-language
< 1353198506 34393 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for best-spoken-language (Open): Polish=484, Welsh=1, Georgian=2, Manx=1, norwegian=8
< 1353198516 337981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that language has never been spoken!
< 1353198534 378261 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-159.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-results best-spoken-language
< 1353198534 683062 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for best-spoken-language (Open): Polish=484, Welsh=1, Georgian=2, Manx=1, norwegian=8
< 1353198541 158919 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why is it pole
< 1353198595 18530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no pole
< 1353198626 218109 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-159.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1353198751 349912 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-spoken-language magyar
< 1353198751 624280 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"magyar" is not currently a candidate in this poll
< 1353198758 25548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you
< 1353198763 382149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add best-spoken-language magyar
< 1353198763 740806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "magyar", added to poll "best-spoken-language".
< 1353198767 15801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-spoken-language magyar
< 1353198767 440673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "magyar"
< 1353198769 346001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-spoken-language magyar
< 1353198769 669422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "magyar"
< 1353198770 732214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote best-spoken-language magyar
< 1353198771 98537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "magyar"
< 1353198774 745675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : @pole-results best-spoken-language
< 1353198776 9634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pole-results best-spoken-language
< 1353198776 389693 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for best-spoken-language (Open): magyar=3, Polish=484, Welsh=1, Georgian=2, Manx=1, norwegian=8
< 1353198790 222158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though we typically call it Hungarian in English.
< 1353198796 513053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do we?
< 1353198798 509486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe *YOU* typically call it Hungarian
< 1353198798 808366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we did.
< 1353198805 347853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so do i
< 1353198806 763635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :still
< 1353198816 799829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add president kmc
< 1353198817 173647 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "kmc", added to poll "president".
< 1353198893 367252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@choice-add president cthulhu
< 1353198893 761229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :New candidate "cthulhu", added to poll "president".
< 1353198969 264772 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote president cthulhu
< 1353198969 463615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "cthulhu"
< 1353198984 869369 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@poll-results president
< 1353198985 84456 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poll results for president (Open): cthulhu=1, kmc=0, copumpkin=4
< 1353198989 74306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why settle for the *lesser* of two evils?
< 1353199006 483463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1353199015 813361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@vote president kmc
< 1353199016 197205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :voted on "kmc"
< 1353199026 357064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't do _that_...
< 1353199030 808839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahahahaha
< 1353199053 701637 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1353199072 411413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: That's what you get for moving to CT
< 1353199081 122233 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even eligible to be president
< 1353199087 752320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one likes Connecticut Yankees.
< 1353199100 346711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I'm not either. :-(
< 1353199110 105384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did you know dne :: (forall m. Monad m => (a -> m Void) -> m Void) -> a?
< 1353199111 828718 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww poor shachaf 
< 1353199117 163682 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not even president of finland?
< 1353199138 199111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Not even that. :-(
< 1353199147 634766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The President must be a native-born Finnish citizen."
< 1353199223 859224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know ffi  ?
< 1353199253 715896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+FB03   LATIN SMALL LIGATURE FOREIGN FUNCTION INTERFACE [ffi]
< 1353199260 167854 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why this obsession with presidents being native born?
< 1353199276 529737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't know, man! It's totally unfair.
< 1353199298 692399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's dne anyway
< 1353199303 539651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1353199313 279838 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if every finn votes a non-finn for president, who actually gets elected?
< 1353199366 567209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An Estonian.
< 1353199381 924832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle dne
< 1353199382 346812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.Marshal.Pool pooledNew :: Storable a => Pool -> a -> IO (Ptr a)
< 1353199382 638666 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.Marshal.Pool pooledNewArray :: Storable a => Pool -> [a] -> IO (Ptr a)
< 1353199382 784219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.Marshal.Pool pooledNewArray0 :: Storable a => Pool -> a -> [a] -> IO (Ptr a)
< 1353199392 69978 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but which estonian? (are there more han one?)
< 1353199400 7636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so...
< 1353199414 411917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t runCont
< 1353199415 759717 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cont r a -> (a -> r) -> r
< 1353199468 296780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: dastardly notation elimination
< 1353199613 284386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn dne :: ((a -> (Void -> a) -> a) -> (Void -> a) -> a) -> a
< 1353199613 944306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot parse command
< 1353199622 986121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1353199628 562761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No name.
< 1353199630 256879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn dne :: (a -> (Void -> a) -> a) -> (Void -> a) -> a) -> a
< 1353199630 665607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot parse command
< 1353199636 556013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a type.
< 1353199641 654601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn (a -> (Void -> a) -> a) -> (Void -> a) -> a) -> a
< 1353199642 67400 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot parse command
< 1353199647 977248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1353199653 93908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn ((a -> (Void -> a) -> a) -> (Void -> a) -> a) -> a
< 1353199653 434315 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a = a (\ b _ -> b) void
< 1353199672 896997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why are you using Cont?
< 1353199675 327274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need Cont.
< 1353199676 721056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote Oleg
< 1353199677 21999 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oleg says: We show how to program with the law of excluded middle. We specifically avoid call/cc, which is overrated.
< 1353199692 978722 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn dne :: ((a -> Either a Void) -> Either a Void) -> a
< 1353199693 308150 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cannot parse command
< 1353199698 714531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs.
< 1353199699 389685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@djinn ((a -> Either a Void) -> Either a Void) -> a
< 1353199699 789667 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f a =
< 1353199700 68820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    case a (\ b ->
< 1353199700 214287 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :            case a (\ _ -> Left b) of
< 1353199700 214519 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :            Left c -> Left c
< 1353199700 214629 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :            Right d -> void d) of
< 1353199701 769832 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Left e -> e
< 1353199703 848867 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Right f -> void f
< 1353199712 824896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it was the obvious way to get a monad with an arbitrary result...
< 1353199724 101980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :call/cc is overrated, man
< 1353199743 235933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use Cont without callCC, though, depend what you need that type for.
< 1353199750 228057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1353199754 497774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use Cont for anything.
< 1353199868 598855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess Either is simpler
< 1353199928 287151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FamicomHDL uses Cont without callCC. I also mentioned in esolang wiki some kind of fake I/O monad involving Cont.
< 1353199934 960804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you only need to use the exception once.
< 1353199998 708492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can use law of excluded middle instead of callCC too if you like; in both cases it makes classical logic from intuitionistic logic.
< 1353200016 830428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that @djinn is a little overcomplicated?
< 1353200055 610458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1353200059 573682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just pass it Left.
< 1353200059 880940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let f a = case a Left of Left e -> e; Right f -> undefined in f
< 1353200061 283243 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a -> Either a b) -> Either t t1) -> t
< 1353200077 153832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Get 'im!
< 1353200089 81437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you use (>>=)?
< 1353200126 718445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what you have there, you could make (either Left undefined) which might also do?
< 1353200193 676304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean either id undefined?
< 1353200201 209812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes.
< 1353200202 107769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should actually be either id void
< 1353200220 314057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, that too. You are correct. It should be: either id void
< 1353200235 100071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t void
< 1353200236 735699 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => f a -> f ()
< 1353200240 296802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that void!
< 1353200244 327869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :absurd :: Void -> a
< 1353200254 271115 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But something like   case ... of { Left c -> Left c; Right d -> void d; }   seem would be like   >>= void
< 1353200260 663091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :either id void . ($ Left)
< 1353200273 381286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, good point.
< 1353200336 635061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, no.
< 1353200341 547826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The (>>=) makes it monomorphic.
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< 1353204106 573385 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo:  I have read that in the startings of war, hitler begged churchill for peace like 12 times, but churcill didnt want to accept it.
< 1353204181 349410 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you hitler and your jew-killing peace
< 1353204228 570935 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he being like "hitler wasn't such a bad guy"
< 1353204231 823192 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why do you punish yourself?
< 1353204251 554362 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, he's being more "both sides were bad", I think.
< 1353204269 449890 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is a silly argument.
< 1353204287 624046 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That argument didn't even address my statement
< 1353204298 823016 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : rebels in general, or these particular rebels?
< 1353204298 968479 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* amelius has quit (Quit: Leaving)
< 1353204299 114015 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Because it seems clear that at least some of the time, rebellion is not a bad thing.
< 1353204299 114185 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : If there was a rebellion against Nazi Germany, that would have been good. The American Revolution is not typically considered to have been morally bad, as far as I'm aware.
< 1353204329 294218 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :History was kind to Winston, and dink to Addi.
< 1353204386 749032 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So, wait, was this guy advocating absolute subservience to whatever government exists at the time?
< 1353204446 463860 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not entirely sure how absolute, exactly, but something along those lines. He's against the Syrrian rebels, and I wasn't sure if those particular rebels or rebels in general.
< 1353204572 937721 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually kinda hilarious. Wonder what he thinks of states that ban Christianity.
< 1353204596 195070 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person in question is l.
< 1353204597 197075 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/tfgrdt2v3rinnudt3yuipa
< 1353204606 397365 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note that I elided the actual nicks)
< 1353204644 827032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that
< 1353204657 17156 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds very clearly like he's against "rebels are good all the time"
< 1353204705 919656 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked, hold on let me paste that
< 1353204720 953012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1353204768 41590 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/q3zrkexir8wus8qmuh5dw
< 1353204786 566206 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess it could be more dodging than asserting that rebels are bad all the time.
< 1353204803 120272 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's s's statement that seems slightly generalized anti-rebel.
< 1353204974 555873 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : the result of all this:  ww1 gave us "Leage of nations" ww2 gave us "United Nations" and ww3 will give us the Luciferian NWO
< 1353204974 746564 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : thats "the Plan" basicly
< 1353205037 448944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think nazis are the archtypal example that peace isn't always the better option
< 1353205105 378521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he *did* get a peace agreement from the british earlier
< 1353205109 200004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it didn't work out too well for them
< 1353205461 954558 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :britain consented to hitler annexing part of czechoslovakia, then he went much further, then britain declared war, then later churchill came to power
< 1353205472 532479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think by that point yeah he would be pretty inclined to view further peace promises in a dim light
< 1353205479 522342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why are you in #jesus
< 1353205580 36524 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: He's a *regular* there.
< 1353205603 161085 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo is happy he found #jesus
< 1353205632 216768 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1353205992 574913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :reach out and touch faith
< 1353206033 758653 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird given that, to my knowledge, Sgeo is an atheist...
< 1353206035 871961 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrug*
< 1353206048 892659 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, that knowledge is correct.
< 1353206118 156361 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was incorrect, would it be knowledge?
< 1353206183 153192 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to the issue at hand then: why are you in #jesus?
< 1353206290 973086 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's fun to watch? It's fun to participate in conversations as a voice contrary to ... I was going to say the mainstream opinion there, but as often as not it's Christians arguing with Christians as it is Christians vs non-Christians.
< 1353206390 783320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i expect so
< 1353207047 978272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is your web IRC thing going to replace #haskell?
< 1353207083 261649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should have a feature where there are multiple levels of discussion, so people can make stupid jokes in one level without confusing the people who are asking for help at a different level.
< 1353207118 157887 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC should have threads.
< 1353207132 864342 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiple levels would not solve the problem of different people having different competing explanations.
< 1353207207 588985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there should be a polite way of marking people who have no idea what they're talking about.
< 1353207235 353435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A codensity monad of a (->) makes a state monad; this can be used with continuations, too.
< 1353207251 508562 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: +v is a good idiot flag on non-+m channels.
< 1353207272 228854 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353207376 243730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Yes, but it's kind of impolite.
< 1353207379 838250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mit zephyr has "un-classes"
< 1353207388 130394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's decided dictatorially.
< 1353207400 492654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I tried to connect to mit zephyr once but apparently you need to have an account?
< 1353207409 532970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is if people are answering a question on class "help", you can provide snarky useless answers on class "unhelp"
< 1353207412 533479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353207422 129792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you get an account?
< 1353207443 433244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can get an MIT Athena account by being sponsored by MIT faculty, employee, or organization, or other
< 1353207455 909157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can get an account with one of the other zephyr realms that peers with them
< 1353207467 485363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha.
< 1353207468 49068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there aren't any that take general public registrations
< 1353207556 455691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuation monad can be used as a kind of monad to build (possibly recursive) data structures. You may see one such example in http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Bruijndejx in which it builds a recursive data structure of a simple I/O.
< 1353207613 506657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why do you need Cont for that?
< 1353207740 103668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, it is one possible way to make it.
< 1353207866 44473 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don’t see how one could mark people who don’t know what they’re talking about in a polite manner.
< 1353208076 347826 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION marks Ryan Kelker
< 1353209206 675685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier to mark people who do know what they're talking about
< 1353209210 689783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like on stack overflow
< 1353209243 481302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's what I meant.
< 1353209268 330014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's annoying when one or two clueless people give clueless advice to another clueless person.
< 1353209275 22675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just propagates the cluelessness.
< 1353209383 718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but #haskell is too wrapped up in the idea that #haskell Is Nice to tell those people off
< 1353209461 332427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hey, that's Geek Social Fallacy #1 isn't it
< 1353210459 423946 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable
< 1353211088 824906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: that's ! hackage.
< 1353211115 384855 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-:
< 1353211139 876676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523\unfoog
< 1353211267 459154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why am I still here?
< 1353211274 111935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vanishes in puff of smoke
< 1353211717 787692 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to think of how to make some features of CsoundMML which means a program taking annotated orchestra and MML, and then writes a score file and inserts the necessary things into the orchestra (if any).
< 1353213476 301197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a person complains that IPv4 broke on their Windows machine but IPv6 is working fine
< 1353213480 689327 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should just write a worm that does that
< 1353213682 756210 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1353213695 252192 :hagb4rd!9277c3cf10@koln-5d81f6f9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some good earworms for dear eso/droogies from uncle hagb4rd --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKzH6pRfzoU
< 1353213745 352801 :hagb4rd!9277c3cf10@koln-5d81f6f9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning this track is very affected with light
< 1353213790 784149 :hagb4rd!9277c3cf10@koln-5d81f6f9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it might had been during the age of the trees
< 1353213816 289358 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: politeness is overrated
< 1353214040 762873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I suspect ion agrees with you.
< 1353214071 716705 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :overrating is polite
< 1353214119 559757 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impoverrating
< 1353214266 116783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have typed the experience/inventory of the last Dungeons&Dragons session played so far, as I somehow have forgotten to do that before.
< 1353214473 905982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also wrote part of a list of lesser known deities which is part of what I remember from I read somewhere else, called Glo-Gleb and Arachne, and then I added my own, called Gxxyuxihuvxi.
< 1353214476 555157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353214579 140073 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geeksy Hooksy Hoofsy
< 1353214597 691908 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Praise be upon it
< 1353214607 847507 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean?
< 1353214633 383575 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should know, but don't
< 1353214641 219142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you must learn.
< 1353214775 915325 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: okay, but not @.
< 1353214818 895925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric: un-#haskell?
< 1353214855 746702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for taking your snarkemarks off the main channel. :-)
< 1353215126 355768 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i have thought as much on more tahn one occasion
< 1353215156 520169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somethingawful forums have a related idea
< 1353215162 609489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most forums have a "shitposting" subforum
< 1353215169 981001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is usually way more fun
< 1353215181 281225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Back when we had more than one channel in common, I would use each channel as un-otherchannel!
< 1353215197 242034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These days it's all boring and linear.
< 1353215206 390729 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> co "#haskell"
< 1353215208 180227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `co'
< 1353215208 476191 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1353215208 621828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   `cos' (imported from...
< 1353215218 434147 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cos lettuce
< 1353215220 226675 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `lettuce'
< 1353215238 528775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are the somethingawful forums worthwhile? Someone tells me I should pay my $10.
< 1353215275 71115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: one of these days I am going to patch MediaWiki to automatically map 24 year bans to indefinite ones :P
< 1353215456 331646 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pretty entertaining
< 1353215470 926997 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worth $10 lifetime cost yes
< 1353215499 188506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I look at their IRC channel.
< 1353215531 522517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it?
< 1353215532 118335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should probably quit IRC
< 1353215536 869366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh don't :(
< 1353215538 977304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would miss you
< 1353215567 3370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... Maybe I should just quit being in 80 channels. :-)
< 1353215575 473747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353216316 567296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish the Haskell web situation was better.
< 1353216325 961322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish the web was better
< 1353216330 22801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1353216335 403591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish this song was louder
< 1353216340 422112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But given that it's terrible, I wish the Haskell abstractions over it weren't terrible.
< 1353216354 315152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you see _Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead_?
< 1353216356 470549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember.
< 1353216360 755959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I've probably asked before
< 1353216401 580108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1353216404 573614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone says i should
< 1353216408 459348 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you mention it now?
< 1353216434 465607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I watched (most of) the film yesterday.
< 1353216444 60049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing beyond that.
< 1353216446 636441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you should!
< 1353216457 828018 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353216524 183007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "u2"
< 1353216599 594838 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Client Quit
< 1353216612 143122 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worldwide web of lies
< 1353216752 810784 :yours_truly!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353216839 312679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you get the X1 in the end?
< 1353216854 936831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i ordered it
< 1353216867 222492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't get it until next month
< 1353216873 248193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1353216887 282287 :yours_truly!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353216889 600808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently even the i7 version is 2-core, not 4-core.
< 1353216904 700551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a 4-core mobile core 2?
< 1353216957 740054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends on what mobile core 2 means.
< 1353217048 230789 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353217144 383570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should run for political office
< 1353217163 507710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: But I can't be US president!
< 1353217168 569385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm constitutionally discriminated against.
< 1353217185 100758 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
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< 1353217196 316213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What I mean is: Does "mobile core 2" have some special meaning, or does it just mean "of the type that goes in a laptop"?
< 1353217230 399201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought intel designated some of them as "mobile"
< 1353217247 513035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite possible. I don't pay that much attention to that.
< 1353217363 435301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it needs to be available in the right physical form factor
< 1353217375 607799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My laptop has a 4-core CPU.
< 1353217400 867843 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :double thin fine pitch micro small outline quad ball grid array, or whatever
< 1353217437 332292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the famous DTFPμSOQBGA
< 1353217937 34670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2012/11/attacking-hardened-linux-systems-with.html
< 1353217969 553173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, another kmcpost.
< 1353217981 997953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I heard you were on the case of restoring rwbarton's quiz to the Internet.
< 1353218029 132472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353218032 180481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1353218038 764907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is rwbarton's quiz?
< 1353218078 573832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the incredibly difficult quest of putting a file on the internet
< 1353218130 368574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc still doesn't have "his own website"
< 1353218141 338050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even I have one, man! Though I should take it down.
< 1353218147 86214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this one? http://ugcs.net/~keegan/
< 1353218154 18931 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even uses sans-serif fonts now!
< 1353218156 322501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Then why didn't you?
< 1353218157 50896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ugcs.net. Doesn't count.
< 1353218160 575631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it totally has some css
< 1353218166 6113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you need one can you use your own computer?
< 1353218192 757924 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why does it matter sans-serif fonts or not, that should be configured by the client, it uses whatever default font is set, isn't it?
< 1353218268 71472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently my blog articles now automatically appear in http://www.reddit.com/r/prograrticles
< 1353218283 676516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prograticles
< 1353218286 125222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a good portmanteau
< 1353218310 574298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft, that bot's list of blogs doesn't even have Arcane Sentiment
< 1353218318 45478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: help
< 1353218320 904025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ekmett/lens
< 1353218327 344301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm editing the diagram. Are there any bugs in it?
< 1353218331 755487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than the one copumpkin found.
< 1353218337 663154 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found nothing
< 1353218500 917741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "plz" improve this type
< 1353218519 476478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo a = Some a | forall o. (o -> a) (Foo o)
< 1353218540 528578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er.
< 1353218545 364669 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like not valid
< 1353218546 140197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo a = Some a | forall o. Map (o -> a) (Foo o)
< 1353218573 916141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think it is supposed to do?
< 1353218583 810878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Not very much.
< 1353218587 740142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo ~ (Nat,)
< 1353218591 436454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want elliott to improve it.
< 1353218613 924291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second part seem like some left Yoneda
< 1353218614 258306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Your reddit username is prograticles_bot?
< 1353218627 260057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't actually remember kmc's reddit username, but it was some weird unpronounceable nonsense.
< 1353218644 963633 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: have you tried: type Foo a = (Nat, a)
< 1353218645 279416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Foo looks like a free monad
< 1353218681 638817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: thats not an improvement :'(
< 1353218697 914155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: and yes i have tried it, see above :'(
< 1353218713 134055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, the goal was to make something sort of like a "non-free functor"
< 1353218713 990688 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to see above :(
< 1353218724 369286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. one that keeps track of the fmaps you've done to it.
< 1353218731 128694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: people really love embedding GDB breakpoints in C source code, it turns out
< 1353218743 600037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Map id (Map ord (Map chr (Some 97))) -- e.g.
< 1353218754 429108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't a functor then
< 1353218755 701680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo' r = forall o. Map (o -> r) r; type Foo = Free Foo' or something seems isomorphic.
< 1353218763 639321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of
< 1353218776 30989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I haven't read your post yet.
< 1353218783 203449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the PF JIT!
< 1353218793 933231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes that JIT.
< 1353218830 459791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Can you embed GDB breakpoints in a C code? I have just used things like  *0=*0
< 1353218864 29977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is probably not the best way)
< 1353218866 654065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have just used things like asm("int3")
< 1353218910 943669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: this is the way i came up with: http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2012/01/embedding-gdb-breakpoints-in-c-source.html
< 1353218923 984602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I will look later
< 1353218938 376533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, that.
< 1353218941 918245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a macro that puts the current address into a special section
< 1353218956 74187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i have a wrapper around gdb which reads those and adds breakpoints to them
< 1353218968 641728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdb has this nice Python scripting thing, I'm told.
< 1353218970 667949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or a gdb plugin written in python)
< 1353218977 219069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, OK, no one told me it's nice.)
< 1353218978 301283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, somebody sent me one and i merged it
< 1353219293 879917 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-171.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353219357 710524 :Section42L!~Section@CPE18593345ef4c-CM18593345ef49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353219361 193923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this OK?   1097337155,1162588218,1231719311,1304961152,1382558180,1464769368,1551869087,1644148025,1741914154,1845493760,1955232530,2071496706
< 1353219426 762909 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-6-143.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1353219452 846513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Hmm, I'd say 1002841731,1095464447,1164270051,1222683387,1298220537,1352792256,1501379263,1641869480,1662853268,1785140043,1817697110,1857747801]
< 1353219460 427731 :Section42L!~Section@CPE18593345ef4c-CM18593345ef49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PART :#esoteric
< 1353219496 10041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why?
< 1353219504 700836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I might ask you the same question.
< 1353219523 643689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are my numbers accurate?
< 1353219550 241060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine are accurate.
< 1353219581 696228 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353219602 588241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum (read "[1002841731,1095464447,1164270051,1222683387,1298220537,1352792256,1501379263,1641869480,1662853268,1785140043,1817697110,1857747801]") == 17402959374
< 1353219604 489834 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  True
< 1353219606 88674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :See?
< 1353219682 753347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't look like it to me, since at least 1845493760 must be correct since it is 440 shifted left 22, I think. The others are approximate but I don't know if they are close enough.
< 1353219695 784500 :Section42L!~Section@CPE18593345ef4c-CM18593345ef49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353219737 992925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe we're talking about different things.
< 1353219770 796454 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to make the notes 22 octaves higher from middle C.
< 1353219802 878572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, unrelated.
< 1353220056 922276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Section42L
< 1353220069 105643 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Section42L: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1353220141 827565 :Section42L!~Section@CPE18593345ef4c-CM18593345ef49.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PART :#esoteric
< 1353220285 547182 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1353220393 318572 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353220534 703522 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-215-171.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1353220677 178226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, JavaScript MVC website uses exclusionary language ("Our users are software craftsmen...")
< 1353220680 886257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I feel like there's probably no harm meant and this could be fixed quietly
< 1353220682 793797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except
< 1353220701 784802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no way to contact them except through public Twitter or GitHub etc.
< 1353220760 105471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which guarantees that every idiot brogrammer will weigh in, and much worse things will be said
< 1353220786 564442 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PC POLICE ASSAULT, GET OUT THE BIG GUNS"
< 1353220794 800134 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ಠ_ಠ 
< 1353220806 110671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The whois record has an email address of a person listed as "founder"
< 1353220807 971904 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate that
< 1353220864 36612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1353220869 686453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could also get an email from whois
< 1353220875 268068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1353220882 350522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could also get an email from git commits, is what i meant to say
< 1353220884 832894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that seems creepy
< 1353220921 768446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you list your name on the main page, and your email address is your.name@gmail.com, it's not unreasonable to expect emails.
< 1353221009 804853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, s/expect/get/
< 1353221126 150128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you use Gmail and you use your full name for email.
< 1353221144 325547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Were you objecting to "${ADJ}men" or "crafts${PERSON}"?
< 1353221160 237380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have WHOIS too but it is someone else not me, so it is someone else's name and email, although the postal address is the same.
< 1353221177 741825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it your brother?
< 1353221197 714965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are you telling me you don't like dumb image macros in github issues
< 1353221203 450437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: who could dislike those!
< 1353221212 163751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not your business who it is.
< 1353221224 935849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Whose business is it who it is?
< 1353221231 477685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that also not my business?
< 1353221237 120748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: heh
< 1353221255 505164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i object to the implication that women don't use this software
< 1353221256 495769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It is whoever's name is on there, and my own.
< 1353221486 414938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't think there is such an implication actually
< 1353222800 696020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1353222897 566200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google person paper
< 1353222899 807756 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/purity.html
< 1353222900 107337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Douglas Hofstadter - Person Paper on Purity in Language
< 1353222980 559408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i'm supposed to email contact@bitovi.com ?
< 1353223185 915496 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353223203 255085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a book by Hofstadter, but not that one.
< 1353223248 983260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i will do that
< 1353223249 834583 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a book
< 1353223275 11387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: psst but i read it in a book tho :'(
< 1353223291 190848 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in themas, which is a collection of essays I think?
< 1353223326 462705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1353223332 80075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a column in _Scientific American_ once.
< 1353223345 620724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later it was published in a book.
< 1353223733 677442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm getting a kind of brogrammy vibe from these people
< 1353223737 679351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we'll see what they say
< 1353224221 197146 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353224280 295603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you noticed that there is another problem with the paragraph "Our users are software craftsmen who care about doing JavaScript development the right way. They care about things like test driven development, performance, code quality, structure and maintainability."
< 1353224298 674728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely that it is self-aggrandisement that says nothing :P
< 1353224450 960269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1353224488 659718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if I sent an email to every website that does that, i would quickly hit my outgoing mail quota
< 1353224584 120221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I send emails I like to paste snippets of them into IRC to show off.
< 1353224587 882055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a real outgoing mail quota.
< 1353224722 380870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1353224726 161579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one took me aminute
< 1353224986 635330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I ought to write a compiler at some point.
< 1353225021 8084 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1353225037 803046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :to spite you monqy :'(
< 1353225047 795669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sporadically get this feeling I ought to write a self-hosting compiler.
< 1353225053 672892 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not working........................................
< 1353225072 20704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: drat and double drat
< 1353225084 821689 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it'll spite elliott though
< 1353225114 515630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: blom should i spite
< 1353225155 656555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wait no
< 1353225165 196727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i wanted to sprite you
< 1353225172 800417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spite Rolf Blom.
< 1353225186 184569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write a vau calculus interpreter in scheme + enough scheme as a library for vau calculus to self-host it
< 1353225195 617376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Blom's scheme? More like Blom's...", uh, I can't figure out how to continue from there.
< 1353225255 634967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : I sporadically get this feeling I ought to write a self-hosting compiler.
< 1353225260 393439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: me too except I also get the feeling it should boot
< 1353225315 298069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's one of those universal things, like the naked-at-school dream and so on.
< 1353225319 350856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So you know the issue of minimal complete definitions not being compiler-checked?
< 1353225337 497447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353225340 769591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1353225341 26022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353225343 225881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you don't get warnings for "instance Eq Foo"
< 1353225375 206749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would there be a problem with just explicitly specifying it to the compiler in a pragma?
< 1353225401 723112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. class Eq where (==), (/=) :: a -> a -> Bool; {-# MINIMAL (==) #-} {-# MINIMAL (/=) #-}
< 1353225409 793692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where you could specify any combination of operators in a pragma, of course
< 1353225723 187638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume not
< 1353225776 799601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a better way to do it?
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< 1353227149 119694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume not
< 1353227155 441152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do simple usage checks in the default definition
< 1353227172 248521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the cost of not allowing a == b = const ... (a /= b)
< 1353227180 649065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not allowing as in it doesn't work for coverage checks
< 1353227685 348437 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy do the "do the "do the "do the "do the....
< 1353227765 84073 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1353229724 869570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No good in general.
< 1353229740 734728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, no good with things in base, even.
< 1353229774 513246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/base/4.6.0.0/doc/html/Control-Applicative.html#g:2
< 1353229964 770707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternative sucks anyway
< 1353229974 46162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc some and many only apply to some instances
< 1353230094 973116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1353230111 413485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway this probably needs to be explicit.
< 1353230128 771282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> some (Just 5)
< 1353230132 604829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1353230141 374655 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1353230144 885482 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was justa bout to do that
< 1353230149 291963 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly that
< 1353230150 368174 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the 5
< 1353230154 54010 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woW
< 1353230340 452306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "brainwashed minds think alike????"
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< 1353230640 732179 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> many []
< 1353230643 472980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[]]
< 1353230644 383922 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"very cool"
< 1353230966 44486 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353231155 383729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, some and many are operators which may apply to any Alternative even though they are not useful with some, they still have a definition which can be common for any one even though it may be infinite loop so not always the defined result.
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< 1353237306 875030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: ?
< 1353237380 254006 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ‽
< 1353237388 314925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shown thing.
< 1353237532 897586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: has neutrino admitted he is cheater yet
< 1353237552 277361 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353237553 594409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think so?
< 1353237555 649133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But basically.
< 1353237601 691195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the difference between "basically" and "yes" is more or less the crux of cheater's career...
< 1353237644 862878 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Show a => Show (Bazaar a a t) where { showsPrec prec (Bazaar baz) = showParen (prec > 10) (showString "Bazaar " . magicShowsPrec 11 (baz MagicShow)) } or something
< 1353237776 568684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The challenge here is to write a Show instance for Bazaar?
< 1353237787 269379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you give me an example of a specific Bazaar and the output you'd want for it?
< 1353237832 787535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would cheater join #haskell under a new name anyway
< 1353237834 586926 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :show ((\f -> (,) <$> f 5 <*> f 6) (\a -> Bazaar ($ a))) == "Bazaar (… <$> MagicShow 5 <*> MagicShow 6)"
< 1353237836 531828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't he getting along just fine with his old name
< 1353237842 155183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was never banned or anything afaik
< 1353237869 556134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: that sounds impossible
< 1353237871 320479 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to bug you
< 1353237875 110589 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you bugged
< 1353237885 328461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: toListOf?
< 1353237901 374385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait.
< 1353237907 364007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: im just perplexed
< 1353237910 572374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that bugging
< 1353237922 765652 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1353237933 658094 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :borderline perhaps
< 1353237951 335600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> toListOf bazaar $ (\f -> (,) <$> f 5 <*> f 6) sell
< 1353237951 481105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[5,6]
< 1353237964 454640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sell = \a -> Bazaar ($ a)
< 1353237983 134228 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, a Bazaar is perfectly traversable.
< 1353238032 993179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bazaar :: Traversal (Bazaar a b t) t a b
< 1353238086 194586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, you already know that, since you wrote partsOf. So I must still be missing something. :-)
< 1353238090 818 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, i think so too. But i was asking in any case – i wouldn’t have figured out, say, something like Data.Reflection myself either.
< 1353238118 30037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apparently i was wrong and it is possible
< 1353238126 125528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else I am also missing something
< 1353238152 28044 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reflection?
< 1353238161 601464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must be completely missing the point here. :-(
< 1353238187 586160 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Let’s forget about Bazaar. (,) <$> MagicShow 5 <*> MagicShow 6 == "(_ :: Integer -> Integer -> (Integer,Integer)) <$> MagicShow 5 <*> MagicShow 6"
< 1353238199 223670 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Reflection was just another example of something magical.
< 1353238211 872149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: What's the type of the function you want?
< 1353238240 544542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty \f -> liftA2 (,) (f 5) (f 6)
< 1353238242 17602 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Num a, Applicative f) => (a -> f b) -> f (b, b)
< 1353238300 294053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo :: (forall f. (Applicative f, Show a, Typeable a) => (a -> f a) -> f t) -> String?
< 1353238307 962827 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe forall f a
< 1353238361 795871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You should omit the type signature on _.
< 1353238365 999157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you don't need a gross Typeable constraint.
< 1353238384 496957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: (Did I tell you about reflection or have you, like, actually used it?)
< 1353238416 117317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall f a t?
< 1353238425 856584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now confused about what ion wants.
< 1353238466 216199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, isn't this just toListOf?
< 1353238479 955041 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/6d958eef0df23c282cbd
< 1353238481 551571 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> succ <$> shown 42
< 1353238483 551532 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :_ <$> shown 42
< 1353238622 671215 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don’t remember who mentioned Data.Reflection, i probably encountered it in #haskell. I haven’t needed to use it so far.
< 1353238777 763509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was the last time you used a reader monad :p
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< 1353238815 903153 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
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< 1353239135 135599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> let foo :: forall a t. (Show a, Typeable a, Typeable t) => (forall f. Applicative f => (a -> f a) -> f t) -> String; foo r = let bz = r sell in ("(_ :: " ++ (concat $ replicate (lengthOf bazaar bz) $ (show $ typeOf (undefined::a)) ++ " -> ") ++ show (typeOf (undefined::t)) ++ ") <$> ") ++ (intercalate " <*> " $ map (\x -> "shown (" ++ show x ++ ")") (toListOf bazaar bz))
< 1353239143 29956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> foo (\f -> (,) <$> f 5 <*> f 6)
< 1353239143 175365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(_ :: Integer -> Integer -> (Integer,Integer)) <$> shown (5) <*> shown (6)"
< 1353239161 703448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"worst text generating thing ever?"
< 1353239181 410817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Of course, you can get more information that that out of it.
< 1353239199 657913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And this would be much simpler if you just used Bazaar. But anyway.)
< 1353239484 647427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :        12:54 < shachaf> Should I watch that?
< 1353239484 831801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :        12:55 < tgeeky> shachaf: yes
< 1353239484 831993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :        12:55 < ion> shachaf: Yes!
< 1353239484 977366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :        12:55 < kmc> Primer is great
< 1353239492 978695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I totally watched it.
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< 1353239524 960061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Anyway, the extra information you can get out of it is the reconstructed structure
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< 1353239541 698001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. extract of the (Bazaar a a) comonad.
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< 1353241334 554222 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ah, that does work indeed. I was going to the wrong direction thinking of how to do it with magic Functor and Applicative instances.
< 1353241618 385562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All you need is Const
< 1353241629 695985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I All you need is Const (Const (Const Is All) You) Need
< 1353241648 522562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You need a trickier magic Applicative for the other direction, though.
< 1353241653 231102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Which you've already written.
< 1353241791 301174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just remember Bazaar a b t ~ ([a], [b] -> t) where the lists are the same length.
< 1353241805 252287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, "the lists are the same length" doesn't quite capture it, because one of them is in negative position.
< 1353241809 924808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you know what I mean. :-)
< 1353241818 733565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second list has to be the same length as the first.
< 1353241915 809753 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bazaar a b t ~ exists n. (Vec n a, Vec n b -> t)
< 1353241934 481480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right.
< 1353242108 464868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I i(Vec n a)
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< 1353245565 390392 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After that update, the local Gamzee cosplayer is in tears
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< 1353245815 465752 :nella!~nella@net-37-117-3-59.cust.dsl.vodafone.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :harry potter e il principe mezzosangue
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< 1353245881 795554 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How odd
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< 1353261077 578070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you buy it or use it if it were available?  http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9500
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< 1353263975 245059 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why would I want to?
< 1353264608 679994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't know; in case someone is interested. I would want to buy it.
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< 1353265205 667469 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, what does it offer that emulators don't?
< 1353265271 342766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thrill of hardware.
< 1353265308 417214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the harder thrillware
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< 1353265456 877099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the implementation, it may be more accurate, and can use any cartridge and input devices, and some people may prefer to use this in some cases.
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< 1353265530 698333 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1353265532 51474 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The real important question would be, how accurate would the design be?
< 1353265555 337450 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Of course it depend on how it is.
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< 1353265654 623645 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume you have no intention of even thinking about the expansion port of the NES.
< 1353265708 409615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct.
< 1353265762 132096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of its functions which may be used might be wired through an adapter, if you ever need to use it for any reason.
< 1353266001 221619 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. Well, there is an easy way to make it useful-ish...
< 1353266022 120833 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The audio in line moved from the cartridge slot to the expansion slot in the NES, right?
< 1353266070 206114 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use one of the lines that connects from the cartridge to the expansion slot to carry audio from a Famicom adapter.
< 1353266152 440432 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is that just specs or do you have a circuit design etc for it?
< 1353266156 96650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes there is Audio in, in the NES expansion port, although I am not sure if it is the same thing.
< 1353266212 6992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Just specifications; most of the circuit design would not be too complicated, though.
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< 1353266682 165328 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The NES expansion port seems badly designed and mostly useless; the useful functions exist on other ports (including the Famicom expansion port). One thing on there that might seem useful sometimes (if PRG/CE is insufficient) would be A15; and even that is not so useful on the expansion port instead of the cartridge.
< 1353266807 957632 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-17.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1353266865 808493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible for NES expansion port to be a bit more useful on the NES, but in what I described, with 60-pins cartridge, NES controller port, Famicom expansion port, it has the functions you need already.
< 1353267526 464625 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly would be wrong about the sentence "but the relationship ended long before marriage."? (as in awkward phrasing)
< 1353267568 445602 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1353267593 706273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :):
< 1353267593 927303 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's wrong with "his hands flaunt in front of the Great Movie Ride in Disney World, Florida."?
< 1353267632 303519 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things are difficult and this is bad.
< 1353267643 273670 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can "flaunt" be used intransitively?
< 1353267670 4002 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure. It's on wikipedia.
< 1353267675 262810 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that sentence)
< 1353267795 702207 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: (1) Somebody doesn't like beginning sentences with prepositions. (2) It has no obvious meaning, that's what. "Flaunt" kinda needs context, and as is rarely applied to hands... if it was his hands that were being flaunted, then it should have said "he flaunted his hands", not "his hands flaunt". "His hands flaunt" implies that his hands flaunt /something/, but we don't know what.
< 1353267815 889301 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither are grammatically wrong as far as I can tell, they're both just terrible.
< 1353267912 684787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"his hands flaunt" is such a good construction though
< 1353267915 213742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on purely aesthetic grounds
< 1353267917 925990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it MEAN??
< 1353267931 249048 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning is for losers :)
< 1353267935 469559 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea, but it's on wikipedia.
< 1353267946 510080 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :David Copperfield's page
< 1353267997 124950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flaunt around.
< 1353268014 765802 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :flaunt his crotch
< 1353268095 345903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "but" isn't a preposition, also it's _ending_ it with them ("marriage" isn't one either.)
< 1353268153 675559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not a preposition there, i can imagine other uses where it may be ("life is but a dream")
< 1353268219 564939 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hahah, I'm bad at reading X_X
< 1353268225 29163 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take the excuse that I'm sick :)
< 1353268294 176392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :life is but his hands flaunting
< 1353268330 613918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if anyone's hands could flaunt, it would be david copperfield, i think
< 1353268442 595229 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :flaunt
< 1353268445 990541 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting word
< 1353268450 862340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flauntulence.
< 1353268458 266029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there are no??? fields of copper though?
< 1353268461 442340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it;s just not realistic
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< 1353268512 249396 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«(intransitive, obsolete) To wave or flutter smartly in the wind.» «(intransitive) (archaic or literary) To show off with flashy clothing.» so copperfield is really old I guess
< 1353268530 676216 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and his hands are well-dressed.
< 1353268558 774717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: i cannot find this wikipedia page of which you speak
< 1353268647 605107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Copperfield has made it invisible.
< 1353268652 744915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1353268802 33603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://grsecurity.net/~spender/jit_prot.diff
< 1353268849 658960 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is that related to um...    http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2012/11/attacking-hardened-linux-systems-with.html  this post?
< 1353268901 896144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there are fields of gold, why not copper?
< 1353268920 25108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353268931 885573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the author of the latter
< 1353268966 865961 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that trick reliably avoid the problem, or can you like, still smuggle the instructions you want in by using non-immediate bits, like opcodes and r/m bytes?
< 1353268989 439397 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it'd be trickier but is it still possible?
< 1353269056 481241 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's a good question
< 1353269072 949804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case you have a pretty limited range of opcodes and addressing modes you can generate
< 1353269180 60997 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh, so you can't use some of the really long opcodes like later-SSE stuff?
< 1353269220 758386 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm imagining like, writing a search function that, given a set of operations you want to execute, tries to find some set of valid instructions that you could smuggle it in with
< 1353269228 712251 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :automating the process
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< 1353269265 151845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353269274 451598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is probably a viable technique for attacking fancy optimizing JITs
< 1353269280 784012 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i think a book i have had a very basic version of that, where you put in some shellcode and it tries to output it in alphanumeric code or w/e
< 1353269325 359518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there is a phrack article about that
< 1353269371 150890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kernel BPF JIT is simplistic and just maps each BPF instruction to an x86 instruction with a specific template
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< 1353269614 349327 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stuff I'm seeing about BPF talks about just-in-time compilation and stuff... but I remember your post talking about inserting specific x86 instructions, am I missing something?
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< 1353269741 692719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but i have to go now, i can explain in 30 min or so
< 1353269779 844177 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353269798 87862 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay!  thanks
< 1353269871 232271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Making_Use_Of_Fat_Binders_To_Assist_Your_Weight_Management_Goals
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< 1353269939 775437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey atriq, elliott, su
< 1353269940 675903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p
< 1353269958 364231 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, a weight loss esolang? interesting
< 1353269973 228407 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascinating
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< 1353269988 889971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a carb-counting minsky machine perhaps
< 1353270016 806020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, clearly you should have one register for carb, one for fat, and so one
< 1353270018 524736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on
< 1353270057 679338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need some binders, that's in the name
< 1353270059 842279 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the higher the values in the registers, the slower the execution goes
< 1353270072 415679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that requires something with scope...
< 1353270177 29213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a lambda calculus with a culinary type discipline
< 1353270179 632884 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :consume [fridge+offsetof(fridge.cheese.swiss)] loads the cheese, and increments the fat, carb, and protein registers by the appropriate amounts?
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< 1353270213 800120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek, oop
< 1353270254 570938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1353270267 383940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess we'll need BinderFactories, then
< 1353270333 156606 :aaron9000!~USER@ppp-69-229-194-33.dsl.renocs.pacbell.net PART :#esoteric
< 1353270344 322830 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Full of women?
< 1353270354 847453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wat
< 1353270375 951176 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :women go in binders
< 1353270378 178967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well known fact
< 1353270383 344072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1353270401 883566 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1353270417 635117 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google romney binders full of women
< 1353270420 495999 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/17/opinion/cardona-binders-women/index.html
< 1353270420 641929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Romney's empty 'binders full of women' - CNN.com
< 1353270421 737773 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hey
< 1353270444 647149 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, succession fort the third, what say you
< 1353270509 133702 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say "why not"
< 1353270513 968563 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353270516 23784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who starts
< 1353270557 448043 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my fortress backbone is boring and i hate it, fwiw)
< 1353270668 935397 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my fortress backbone is weird)
< 1353270688 47318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird is good
< 1353270695 68051 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get as anal when trying to position things then
< 1353270711 450139 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird and annoyingly regular
< 1353270743 600283 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And doesn't take into account the wonder that is minecarts?
< 1353270766 189771 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh christ don't let's start with the minecarts now
< 1353270818 407349 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had bad times with minecarts?
< 1353270838 436020 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they require a lot of trial and error
< 1353271352 114586 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1353271359 783218 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do we dare let elliott start?
< 1353271470 194098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1353271550 263288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some effects for pictures could apply to sounds too, and some effects for sounds count also be applied to pictures and videos (you have to select which dimension you want, which may be time dimension). You could also apply some of the effects for still pictures to the time dimension of videos, too.
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< 1353271631 21565 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, do we dare let elliott start?
< 1353271641 718967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you started handlekindled and i started rosyarrow
< 1353271643 395070 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah
< 1353271656 743407 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he is NO LONGER ONLINE
< 1353271741 238962 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :selfish bastard
< 1353271774 658959 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could let zzo38 start
< 1353271785 196511 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And see what hellish landscape we end up with
< 1353271796 434462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey zzo38 
< 1353271799 614343 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you up for it
< 1353271802 543438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: back
< 1353271861 560167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be extremely logical, from a certain point of view.
< 1353271933 276414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Up for what?
< 1353271949 417415 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting the THIRD #ESOTERIC SUCCESSION FORTRESS
< 1353271953 229607 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AHAHAHA!
< 1353271956 948947 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know how that works.
< 1353271978 445941 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll figure it out
< 1353271983 880443 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a relatively simple game
< 1353271984 116502 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of df?
< 1353272016 281988 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is here
< 1353272035 995103 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is Fiora 
< 1353272049 883638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you actually Fiona with a pen that doesn't quite work
< 1353272076 6070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know how to start to figure it out.
< 1353272079 754740 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... I'm just a friend of Bike (I think that's his name here?)... he mentioned this channel had interesting things
< 1353272085 592209 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I read kmc's blog sometimes
< 1353272089 888969 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you play dwarf fortress
< 1353272092 586537 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc has a blog!?
< 1353272121 53222 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't ever, no :<
< 1353272122 72190 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1353272126 427882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No. I tried once but it runs too slowly.
< 1353272191 393824 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike is bike, yes indeed.
< 1353272195 66081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only lymia was still here
< 1353272202 686819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to distinguish the instructions the BPF JIT emits from the instructions the attacker is smuggling in
< 1353272225 767286 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did anyone ask Fiora the Hexham/Finland question?
< 1353272226 398468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter are hidden within the immediate arguments to the former
< 1353272249 75773 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, but like, let's say you have a JIT that compiles Java to x86, you can't control the x86 with the Java (at least not completely), right?
< 1353272260 911775 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how can you be sure to get the exact right instructions so that the smuggled instructions are right?
< 1353272281 468799 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it let you give it full control over the input x86 (within the constraints at least?)
< 1353272303 549752 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to know how that particular JIT works
< 1353272305 223749 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you have access to the JIT's source, or at least you can figure out what Java results in what x86
< 1353272386 59975 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, are you in Hexham?
< 1353272389 864796 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by reading its source, or by observing the output and determining it to be stable
< 1353272398 901759 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(important question)
< 1353272419 706950 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexham?   google says it's a city
< 1353272424 519580 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case of the BPF JIT it is very easy because it translates each BPF instruction to a particular x86 instruction sequence, regardless of the context
< 1353272432 159156 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham's a city!?
< 1353272434 988344 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a town
< 1353272439 45729 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google hexham
< 1353272440 592088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hexham
< 1353272440 931402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Hexham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
< 1353272442 610569 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, town I guess?
< 1353272446 916992 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1353272449 37560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fancier jit will have fancier instruction selection, register allocation, non-local optimizations, etc.
< 1353272452 543581 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm from the US <_<;
< 1353272455 685081 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay
< 1353272469 651628 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so could the JIT try to be "more secure" by doing unpredictable things with the code?
< 1353272470 511026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with a tracing JIT what's compiled is not a whole function but a single control-flow path, which can span several function and skip parts of each
< 1353272472 922907 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a ridiculous number of people from Hexham in this channel
< 1353272473 68421 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like based on /dev/random
< 1353272478 408415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353272492 106762 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Up to 2 at any time
< 1353272493 753191 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess, random register allocation, random splitting of constants, random insturction reordering...
< 1353272496 735876 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Finland is worse
< 1353272532 837281 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although more proportional to its population
< 1353272658 179597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were from the west midlands it'd emerge as a strong contender too
< 1353272663 187584 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :random splitting of constants would be the big one, I suppose, since then the attacker can't even guarantee they'll have a sequence of bytes to jump to.
< 1353272676 487025 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess, but what if you could do it entirely without constants?
< 1353272677 542023 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an appropriate
< 1353272681 318563 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, just with opcodes and r/m bytes
< 1353272688 203754 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be really hard though
< 1353272691 101986 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, shall I just start one?
< 1353272760 580397 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think most JITs are going to emit the really complicated instructions that would be good for that?
< 1353272794 796030 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, I can't get systrace to work on my 4.1 android phone. It should work but I get error messages about stuff under /sys/kernel/debug not existing...
< 1353272803 907752 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if you could control the register allocation... but if it used only like a couple registers... yeah that would be hard...
< 1353272807 161703 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you'd have to try to be sure
< 1353272813 433871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, i don't think elliott is going to make a showing so yeah
< 1353272818 405344 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless Vorpal wants to
< 1353272849 217765 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I play vanilla or that mod you posted the other day?
< 1353272853 10563 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the anthracite
< 1353272862 570801 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anthramod!
< 1353272893 971982 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, want what?
< 1353272924 312263 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :start a succession fortress
< 1353272930 695283 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :naah
< 1353272949 701450 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah*
< 1353272951 789854 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1353273007 311405 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that good?
< 1353273007 457226 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, worldgen has begun
< 1353273066 924081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone listen to sburban jungle!
< 1353273102 430965 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listening!
< 1353273104 654801 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(has Vorpal even heard sburban jungle)
< 1353273128 273019 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, think so, ages ago
< 1353273136 123368 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why I would listen to it now though
< 1353273175 182832 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dwarf Fortress worldgen isn't as awesome as SBurb loading screen
< 1353273186 640511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the rendering isn't
< 1353273194 260528 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, FireFly, there? I left eclipse running on that upgrade... It just finished XD
< 1353273196 242265 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1353273212 339480 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some pretty crazy stuff happens in worldgen
< 1353273238 384508 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some pretty crazy stuff happens in SBurb worldgen too, mind
< 1353273254 776267 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although time travel/predestination makes it unclear when that happens
< 1353273259 76553 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: huh?
< 1353273264 748058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't sburb worldgen the final section of gameplay
< 1353273270 383644 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, remember we talked about that yesterday or so?
< 1353273289 410797 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, the slooow eclipse upgrade?
< 1353273300 798385 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't ring any bells
< 1353273308 48120 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, who was it then I talked to
< 1353273318 597914 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I think so?
< 1353273322 42428 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know fizzie, and I thought you too
< 1353273322 955028 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows
< 1353273324 817505 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm maybe
< 1353273328 327647 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, doesn't matter
< 1353273339 481105 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1353273348 15641 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i don't think we've seen a single standard sburb game so who knows
< 1353273351 136641 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353273377 831632 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible there is no such thing
< 1353273386 157515 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the point of SBurb is to teach its players
< 1353273408 504823 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It teaches the trolls that supreming over everyone is bad
< 1353273421 975471 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sometimes you have to admit that others are in some respects superior?
< 1353273478 644906 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And did that by making their subsession glitched in a way I don't know what I'm saying
< 1353273567 80439 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WorldGen is complete
< 1353273586 318075 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just as the third version of SBurban Jungle I have starts playing
< 1353273592 456556 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :third?
< 1353273597 236491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only know of 2!
< 1353273614 136612 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two are identical
< 1353273628 275021 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the Volume 4 version, the Volumes 1-4 version, and the Brief Mix
< 1353273642 550267 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go, the brief mix has just finished
< 1353273655 530916 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now for SBurban Reversal
< 1353273683 576518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353273687 130143 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use that for world ungen
< 1353273700 843661 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terezi Owns?
< 1353273722 642956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sburban countdown?
< 1353273743 61086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sburban jungle: percussion mix?
< 1353273842 745606 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, now to browse the suitable sites
< 1353273858 189160 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To ElevatorStuck
< 1353273919 431682 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found a good place, it's quite hot
< 1353273936 585946 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353273945 850929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey monqy did you learn to play dwarf fortress
< 1353273964 503083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That was reasonable.
< 1353273977 707926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: And yes, I remember the upgrade.
< 1353274036 702756 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, make sure to name the starting 7
< 1353274055 757822 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hot, heavily forested, thick vegetation, wilderness, brook, some soil, shallow metals, deep metals, flux stone
< 1353274063 351688 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1353274067 730080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, brook?
< 1353274069 169228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yessssssss
< 1353274085 805073 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1353274090 94268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The other person commenting on it was FreeFull, incidentally.
< 1353274099 671365 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The brook is called Bunnyidol
< 1353274103 963900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally a site where i can find an easily-accessible source of working fluid for my generators
< 1353274107 371015 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which sounds somewhat suspicious
< 1353274119 518150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Both are "FFs".)
< 1353274157 251487 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I prepare for the journey carefully?
< 1353274162 973061 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Commenting on what?
< 1353274176 627259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: On Vorpal's slow Eclipse upgrade.
< 1353274205 555902 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going out there and making people's Eclipse upgrades slow
< 1353274220 36369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but you commented on hypothetical reasons for it.
< 1353274227 715828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least someone with your name did.
< 1353274242 768402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, only if you don't want to get started this week
< 1353274282 211533 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Embarking, whey-hey!
< 1353274290 484584 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is suspicious
< 1353274296 994738 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Palacecrushed"
< 1353274303 817272 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bunnyidol is
< 1353274305 688336 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, the name of this brook
< 1353274416 93402 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353274507 361908 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, stuff IS HAPPENING
< 1353274531 430586 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you making it hapen
< 1353274548 377301 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where making this hapen
< 1353274571 709941 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :were DOIN it bro!
< 1353274749 758080 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just struck Haemetite
< 1353274786 66100 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or however that's spelt
< 1353274801 190548 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1353274836 153280 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, we've also got Sphalerite, so I guess we could make zinc?
< 1353274836 890425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haematite
< 1353274869 248350 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can make things out of brass i guess
< 1353275015 694621 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First bedroom built!
< 1353275035 913443 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarves don't build!
< 1353275072 640452 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean, first bedroom made a bedroom
< 1353275073 825932 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is dwarf fortress a rogue-like derivative of minecraft or something?
< 1353275089 489831 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1353275123 917219 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of like rts minecraft except you don't have direct control over your units and you just designate tasks to be carried out
< 1353275164 4204 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have units in minecraft?
< 1353275173 973028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A unit.
< 1353275178 375423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the rts part
< 1353275182 319478 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was like a first-person shooter
< 1353275190 373712 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except without the shooting
< 1353275193 672731 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just struck fortification agate
< 1353275201 285606 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a first-person miner
< 1353275202 12690 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gate
< 1353275204 104556 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea
< 1353275217 858090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some bow-shooting going on in Minecraft.
< 1353275219 639146 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine Minecraft meets Rollercoaster Tycoon meets Pikmin
< 1353275232 214213 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's a gem
< 1353275242 705 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was some sort of concrete or something
< 1353275253 995572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a bunch of dwarves, they need to be kept alive and happy
< 1353275254 147247 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's fortification aggregate
< 1353275289 181990 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you designate an area for mining or a workshop to be built or whatever and eventually they'll do it
< 1353275331 386575 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't directly control any of them
< 1353275356 987342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that horribly crappy Sonic animation was bad in YouTube recommendations, but now it's some "live-action" (..maybe, judging from the thumbnail..) thing with Sonic edited in, titled "A Day in the Life of Sonic- Sonic tries to get laid".
< 1353275395 29199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then some Battle Programmer Shirase stuff. (Okay, at least that's kinda hilarious.)
< 1353275689 857392 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: The other person commenting on it was FreeFull, incidentally. <--- aah, FF in both cases
< 1353275715 753383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, so in practise it could have been you :P Very similar nick shape
< 1353275754 939083 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1353275777 318429 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly has one less letter
< 1353275788 973690 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but apart from that, very similar
< 1353275818 880823 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, anyway, I left the eclipse upgrade running, I finished just half an hour ago or something like that
< 1353275823 342582 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is absurd
< 1353275843 925552 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like the eclipse mirror system is royally fucked up to me, "no mirrors found" it says now for me
< 1353275856 834887 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually distinguish by nick length and nick colour.  Not that the latter is very helpful in this case: http://i.imgur.com/t15X7.png
< 1353275871 77750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do coloured nicks
< 1353275912 643328 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah now it started working again, (the mirror system)
< 1353276085 220039 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agriculture has started
< 1353276086 822639 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have all my nicks white
< 1353276091 741515 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a black background
< 1353276102 763555 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless someone highlights me, then their nick is yellow on that line
< 1353276105 396164 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue on a white background (using xchat atm)
< 1353276122 859525 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :my own lines are grey, and highlights are red
< 1353276130 83021 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the text is black
< 1353276150 418285 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, i got stonesense working
< 1353276161 472096 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I never had any problems with that
< 1353276175 103142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were the issues?
< 1353276192 268270 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dependencies, also forgetting to set the compile flag
< 1353276198 217172 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :aah
< 1353276288 529482 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently I'm channelling out a massive tower thing.
< 1353276550 409616 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is now summer
< 1353276577 217735 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, this fortress is already dying FPS death.
< 1353276592 963610 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what is the cause?
< 1353276595 148064 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1353276609 232955 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try turning down your graphics settings?
< 1353276615 745548 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1353276659 559833 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also dfhack now has an ingame version of the dwarftherapist interface
< 1353276665 439210 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot overstate its usefulness
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< 1353276807 537124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FPS?
< 1353276808 508365 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, dwarftherapist?
< 1353276810 129549 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that
< 1353276863 593781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you kidding me
< 1353276904 835961 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I don't remember using that tool
< 1353276910 277225 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do
< 1353276915 816651 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it some sort of cheating tool?
< 1353276922 918005 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a lot of dfhack is
< 1353276946 371206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the one that makes managing labours actually possible
< 1353276954 191129 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that one, right
< 1353276957 385822 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353276963 147017 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen it
< 1353277014 811378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: FPS death?
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< 1353277074 548758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, when the game grinds to a halt.
< 1353277083 98121 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :DF is extremely simulation-heavy.
< 1353277127 96360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1353277474 864996 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353277500 61427 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIgrants!
< 1353277970 319262 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, they travel from atlantis to that planet with an atlantis-like tower; they initiate a revolution there, and deplete de zpm that was powering everything
< 1353277988 896875 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving them defenseless from the wraith
< 1353278013 163345 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in return for that "help" they take a lot of the drones and jumpers
< 1353278073 849961 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make things better, sheppard gets to have sex with a girl by promising her he will marry her and they'll rule the planet together; then he dumps her and get back to atlantis (with his jumpers and drones)
< 1353278119 189698 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the heck is that morally suitable for a stargate team??
< 1353278126 392596 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, btw i named a dorf after you
< 1353278138 769608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's the fortress carpenter, doctor and secondary miner
< 1353278171 358259 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And his name is Garry.
< 1353278176 587278 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover doesn't know oerjan's real name.
< 1353278251 691672 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants to be the cook
< 1353278257 353595 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no the cook will be garry
< 1353278359 276778 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I travel back in time and give you Palacecrushed?
< 1353278361 146000 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope so
< 1353278378 775855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353278379 912357 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because then I will have a time machine
< 1353278381 20898 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww
< 1353278388 43568 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is matchedroad
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< 1353279127 559954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dr. O. F
< 1353279170 282845 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, Phantom_Hoover, you saw the latest update, right?
< 1353279175 298111 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With an [S]?
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< 1353279249 166839 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1353279259 832080 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the local Gamzee cosplayer was upset
< 1353279287 956948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't!
< 1353279297 672502 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go!
< 1353279298 838546 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do!
< 1353279300 137276 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run!
< 1353279301 771141 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Play!
< 1353279303 606935 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Attack!
< 1353279305 247104 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defend!
< 1353279310 714812 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tackle!
< 1353279314 525654 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tail Whip!
< 1353279320 97508 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does all those thnigs to atriq 
< 1353279326 295559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinky
< 1353279390 999091 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-6-205.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not again
< 1353279505 712560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :matchedroad seems to have fallen into a state where nobody is actually doing their job because they're too busy doing work on the megaproject
< 1353279579 703539 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :largely because of this overspecialisation it is also the unhappiest peacetime fort i have ever run
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< 1353280992 283128 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: weeeeeell I just tried my interpreter against your fibonacci program and it began to print an infinity of 1s
< 1353281109 16461 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have more intel on whether that's because of your program or of my interpreter? (for instance do you have a simpler program?)
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< 1353281369 566188 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind
< 1353281374 310767 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Law of mathematics: any comprehensible math can be generalized to the point that it really f%*ks with your head."
< 1353281376 4174 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1353281402 89688 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apply recursively, get cat theory?
< 1353281402 496802 :TodPunk!~Tod@166.70.93.209 QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off.  Probably rebooting or something.
< 1353281456 246238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was starting work on moving into the mighty Tower of Dorf when a goblin thief and a werecivet arrived in short succession
< 1353282618 656224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i'm sure it goes _way_ deeper than that.
< 1353282637 117294 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what goes way deeper than what
< 1353282652 30761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :than cat theory.
< 1353282660 51960 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, probably
< 1353283102 709023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Is that how it works? Are you sure?
< 1353283117 220209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: I don't know which is wrong (maybe both are wrong).
< 1353283196 227648 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well mostly I made a mistake while copying it (I don't have a parser yet, so now it looks like [Pushn 0; Succ; Pushn 0; Store; Pushinf; Loop [Pushn 0; Fetch; Output; Pushn 0; Fetch; Pushn 0; Fetch; Pushn 0; Succ; Fetch; Loop [Succ]; Pushn 0; Store; Pushn 0; Succ; Store]]
< 1353283208 213015 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now it seems to be either an infinite loop or very slow
< 1353283212 722677 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and not outputting anything)
< 1353283228 831761 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was wondering if you had any smaller, more simple programs to test
< 1353283250 959838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: No, I don't have some, sorry
< 1353283295 797260 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case the fight between the part of me that wants to complete this and the part of me that's bored and not motivated will be even harder
< 1353283356 168717 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like cat theory is not just an abbreviation of category theory
< 1353283360 267205 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a theory
< 1353283367 287158 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of cats
< 1353283401 594429 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean like
< 1353283405 286864 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :categories?
< 1353283430 547318 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean
< 1353283433 195365 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cats
< 1353283438 722390 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :felidae
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< 1353283942 962753 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: OK, I just wrote a Truth-machine and it works properly
< 1353283971 996238 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha http://dumbpajamas.tumblr.com/post/35998874236/its-not-an-allegation-anymore
< 1353283972 142258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Maybe my program is wrong then; if that is the case, you can fix it.
< 1353284005 224321 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will compare what instructions you use in your program that I don't use in the truth-machine
< 1353284049 753097 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if I can't see where my interpreter is wrong then I'll try to understand your program to see if it's wrong
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< 1353284945 343404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that's a good show
< 1353285273 152417 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: haha. in fact it works fine. that's just, once again, a problem of flushing output...
< 1353285286 724522 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144 233 377 610 987 1597 2584 4181 6765 10946 17711 28657 46368 75025 121393 196418 317811 514229 832040 1346269 ^C
< 1353285333 730161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
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< 1353285432 86477 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll write a parser someday (I really got to find some way to do that in a more automated fashion) and then we can move Suxesol to the Implemented category!
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< 1353285745 693020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1353286462 741543 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Challenge: Write a fibonacci number generator that uses iterate
< 1353286488 232278 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"iterate"?
< 1353286493 169989 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :const fibo iterate
< 1353286506 544883 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike:
< 1353286507 990180 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t iterate
< 1353286509 718181 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> a) -> a -> [a]
< 1353286588 451660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: back when i looked at ocaml, there were ocamllex and ocamlyacc
< 1353286599 218108 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just have a be a pair and the function be from (a,b) to (b,a+b).
< 1353286661 701666 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I should take a look at those
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< 1353286750 715079 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that so many esolangs have one-char instructions, or otherwise easily parsed instructions, that I took the habit to patch up dirty "parsers" of my own rather than bothering to look at them properly
< 1353286761 523320 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a module from the standard library that's all about parsing and stuff
< 1353286790 18842 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (round . ((1+sqrt 5)/2*) . fromIntegral) 1
< 1353286792 22518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,177...
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< 1353287205 115220 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\[a,b] -> [b,a+b]) [0,1]
< 1353287206 813736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [[0,1],[1,1],[1,2],[2,3],[3,5],[5,8],[8,13],[13,21],[21,34],[34,55],[55,89]...
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< 1353287416 517582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is strange that more esolangs don't have full featured grammar
< 1353287429 825760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it follows from the fact that most of them are brainfuck derivatives ;P
< 1353287530 462029 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just occurred to me that brainfuck is "context-free"
< 1353287538 487474 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in more than one way)
< 1353287552 138398 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0
< 1353287562 827298 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them are brainfuck derivatives and the foundation of the current state of esolangs is brainfuck, befunge and false
< 1353287597 726030 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jafet: what about [ and ]?
< 1353287639 990297 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so everyone picks up the attitude that esolangs all have single-character commands instead of syntax
< 1353287642 138941 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF ::= + | - | , | . | < | > | [ BF ]
< 1353287659 561002 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :| BF BF
< 1353287680 123989 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :BFF
< 1353287720 607565 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good
< 1353287722 545163 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the clear course of action is to start a new trend in languages that can only be parsed with unrestricted grammars
< 1353287728 809577 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do a Befunge grammar next
< 1353287729 384066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Jafet for making an ambiguous grammar -----###
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< 1353287764 72428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know grammar, what's an example of a non-context-free one
< 1353287788 143743 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the grammar describing the language { a^n b^n c^n | n >= 1 }
< 1353287801 735398 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. { "abc", "aabbcc", "aaabbbccc", ... }
< 1353287804 349581 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ambiguous here means that you can't distinguish (BF BF) BF from BF (BF BF)?
< 1353287811 12117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353287813 545300 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's called "mainstream languages"
< 1353287850 301374 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: brainfuck is associative yo
< 1353287857 486764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's just wadler's law again
< 1353287859 757497 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure you only need a cfg for java...
< 1353287868 839766 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pierce through the lies, see the higher algebraic structure
< 1353287877 64889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are hung up on concrete syntax so they think the way to make a "brain fucking" language is to have bad syntax rather than strange semantics
< 1353287886 602608 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't C++ context-sensitive?
< 1353287900 742623 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ is ambiguous, as I recall, with the lexer hack and everything
< 1353287905 858202 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually thinking of Perl.
< 1353287941 913627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing perl is undecidable
< 1353287945 727964 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no one is arguing about comment syntax for brainfuck derivatives yet
< 1353287952 707541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: don't be too sure
< 1353287982 163731 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since all non-command characters are comments, i think all derivatives are arguments about comment syntax
< 1353287995 346397 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha.
< 1353288040 650164 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: C is context sensitive.
< 1353288080 638677 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i lived in a world where wikipedia articles were didactically useful :(
< 1353288186 800048 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote autodidact
< 1353288187 483129 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shapr says: I've tried to teach people autodidactism, but I've realized they have to learn it for themselves.
< 1353288211 844736 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when did Jafet actually talk btw
< 1353288216 925254 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were just another lurker
< 1353288239 914994 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a hydralisk
< 1353288283 205288 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes jafet talks, I'm an eye witness
< 1353288334 180016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Was that added in response to your post?
< 1353288610 644550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :S ::= a B S c ; B a ::= a B ; B S ::= b S | b  or something like that
< 1353288660 956341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah that won't work
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< 1353288908 887912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway an unrestricted grammar is basically a thue program without IO.
< 1353288943 20976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm and a distinction of terminals and non-terminals.
< 1353289021 439873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know
< 1353289161 293708 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that would allow cycles
< 1353289606 204299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wat?
< 1353289649 793804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no cycles with the distinction between terminals and non-terminals.
< 1353289713 653968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, with there having to be a final result.
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< 1353292223 895402 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet
< 1353292445 265914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1353293602 363213 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1353294270 920738 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, [S][S][S]
< 1353294904 986465 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm
< 1353294905 730432 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lead
< 1353295051 417545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :delicious lead
< 1353295062 229498 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdoqrbCird1qj67q9o1_500.gif
< 1353295086 450485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i bet you want to fix `taking'
< 1353295090 724916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct?
< 1353295097 317383 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's taking
< 1353295101 226157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty taking
< 1353295102 822544 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => Int -> SimpleLensLike (Control.Lens.Internal.Indexing f) s a -> SimpleLensLike f s a
< 1353295109 590638 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353295122 572623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..]^..taking 3 traverse
< 1353295125 359125 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  *Exception: stack overflow
< 1353295128 277236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"too strict?!"
< 1353295178 349110 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen
< 1353295403 935183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wall candy
< 1353296074 680100 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1353306252 169841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: hion
< 1353306548 890037 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: bye all
< 1353307262 517031 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1353308105 369291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like YOU need some Liquid Programr
< 1353308137 962272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Was that the response to your email?
< 1353308181 58639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I bet you want to figure out this taking business. :-(
< 1353308192 773280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no a nonsequitor
< 1353308195 576822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking what?
< 1353308200 946047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353308205 11674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this lens
< 1353308226 741605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's a lens thing.
< 1353308593 68724 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hachaf
< 1353308602 447655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Oh, just in time to figure out `taking'
< 1353308632 503925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, did I turn into `ski' ?
< 1353308640 970107 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`yes'
< 1353308651 137539 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: yes': not found
< 1353308986 81203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: `to which one'
< 1353308998 850416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: This is like BazaarExercise++
< 1353309028 815085 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma bazaarexercise
< 1353309029 82016 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bazaarexercise has a karma of 1
< 1353309062 29388 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does bazaarexercise really deserve that 1 karma ?
< 1353309067 865501 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353309082 559930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that karma was for bazaarexercise's capitalized brother
< 1353309091 374513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how bazaarexercise got it
< 1353309101 824446 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma BAZAAREXERCISE
< 1353309102 220301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAZAAREXERCISE has a karma of 1
< 1353309104 509696 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1353309107 490146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP
< 1353309117 454370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma inflation: confirmed?
< 1353309365 613020 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :confirmed
< 1353310288 844302 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353310444 319846 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What’s wrong with taking?
< 1353310476 513772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Laziness and/or the type.
< 1353310491 483912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] ^.. taking 5 traverse
< 1353310494 20480 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  *Exception: stack overflow
< 1353310503 298974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An easy way to fix this would be to use unsafePartsOf
< 1353310516 448203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then it only works for Traversals
< 1353310520 28874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We want it to work for Folds.
< 1353310523 244053 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking seems to use unsafePartsOf.
< 1353310528 635145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it?
< 1353310536 134409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you looking at the git repository?
< 1353310544 287453 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353310546 413897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a recent commit.
< 1353310553 533429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Previously it was written like dropping
< 1353310594 625533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for that version, it's reasonably lazy, but the problem is the type.
< 1353310600 790119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also it's a hack.)
< 1353310732 721620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the problem is the implementation, not just the type.
< 1353310738 844499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the former reflects the latter. :-)
< 1353310740 597579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the former reflects the latter. :-)
< 1353310747 263478 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the former reflect the latter
< 1353310788 640641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no monqy
< 1353310793 720909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you make such an elementary mistake
< 1353310810 94270 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elementary mistake of asking a question
< 1353310819 484851 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the most elementary of them all"
< 1353310849 499883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :watson asked too many questions
< 1353310854 786976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now he's dead
< 1353310857 245634 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like lurking here is going to slowly destroy my understanding of the use-mention distinction, and indeed what quotes are for at all
< 1353310857 391319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coincidence
< 1353310903 736305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you call that lurking?
< 1353310919 569998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"surprise: you just unlurked yourself"
< 1353310925 569286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you lurked out"
< 1353310937 398416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you'd be lost for lurks"
< 1353310940 455730 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaah
< 1353310955 956457 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was "lurking", now I am "screaming" in "terror"
< 1353310956 679189 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353310985 203378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix show
< 1353310986 946737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\...
< 1353311004 867130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bike's worst nightmare?" i "think so"
< 1353311073 2270 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> repeat '"'
< 1353311074 682790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"...
< 1353311076 600578 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no escape"
< 1353311083 191560 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1353311097 530779 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text (repeat '"')
< 1353311099 609108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text$repeat'"')
< 1353311101 455451 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  :1:16:
< 1353311101 775960 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     lexical error in string/character literal at end of input
< 1353311102 841455 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval: ExitFailure 1
< 1353311103 138723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: Prelude.undefined
< 1353311115 9265 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well then
< 1353311122 523306 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::─┐
< 1353311124 167213 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :D─┘
< 1353311127 166441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text$replicate (a_billion) '"'
< 1353311130 93818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""...
< 1353311140 262142 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even less escape
< 1353311154 196555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> repeat '\\'
< 1353311155 769210 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\...
< 1353311156 714975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"maximal escape"
< 1353311164 39213 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean minimal...?
< 1353311169 41702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no maximal
< 1353311172 239463 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: Use camelCase
< 1353311173 817331 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes maximal
< 1353311175 526376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show $ repeat '\\'
< 1353311175 711749 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... I'm not here?
< 1353311177 351549 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\...
< 1353311186 359273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: maximal "ESCAPE SEUQ#NECE"
< 1353311200 299409 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, my parents warned me about escape seq neces
< 1353311211 746599 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*seuq neces, apologies
< 1353311250 70763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bike: four-armed?"
< 1353311264 732173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people are so "conf"using.
< 1353311298 304522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "you know who else was confusing"
< 1353311311 842554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confucius?
< 1353311312 27669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(elliott bird)
< 1353311616 874679 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353312127 384604 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353314250 556930 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353316274 679667 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1353316869 692274 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1353318122 253564 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353318707 318483 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://japanesetransliteration.com/
< 1353319474 457983 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://labs.echonest.com/Uploader/index.html
< 1353319605 870255 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a bit of trouble with 5/4. :-) http://labs.echonest.com/Uploader/index.html?trid=TRIOCHX13AFD0DF411
< 1353319689 666278 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1353319809 429513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I no longer have any sound out of this workstation.
< 1353319886 165601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnome's sound thing shows the right devices in the "Hardware" tab, but the "Output" tab only has a "Dummy output" in the "Choose a device for sound output" list.
< 1353320216 696541 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353320503 735051 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1353320761 202166 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one doesn’t quite work either :-P Animals as Leaders – CAFO http://labs.echonest.com/Uploader/index.html?trid=TREOUDY13B182DDC60
< 1353320898 874459 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353325552 116501 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353326753 101306 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1353326804 113963 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353326993 433734 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353328424 938183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353328626 107743 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353328707 375742 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PART :#esoteric
< 1353329261 990638 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353329266 821531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1353329268 448356 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1353329405 439499 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353329427 471280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353329437 193787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353329573 919159 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353329574 354789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353329593 497724 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1353330470 770618 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep
< 1353331679 453539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353331693 855473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353332136 321681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353332152 736197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353332457 79119 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fire Tornado http://youtu.be/OL_VUh4gzIk?hd=1&t=1m55s
< 1353332483 809837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353332493 714137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353333134 695997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1353333286 110141 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353333366 468134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1353333393 706052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353333446 181322 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, my laptop with a dodgy connection
< 1353333685 747064 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, my fridge with some food inside
< 1353333714 11899 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, ais523 just joined :)
< 1353333743 928356 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 refers to my laptop in particular
< 1353333750 427201 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :g 38
< 1353334373 729576 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353334494 702548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1353334769 719302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353335654 681343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1353336434 425745 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353337021 873468 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353337053 677333 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353337569 179818 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353338202 910793 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1353339011 199127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353339930 145208 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353340264 57189 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353340300 4676 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People assume that time is a strict progression from cause to effect
< 1353340311 206871 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint
< 1353340324 57060 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more like a bit ball of wibbly wobbly time-wimey stuff
< 1353340327 916367 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, Phantom_Hoover
< 1353340335 685325 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm permanently in a mood for Homestuck music now
< 1353340361 80283 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you just quote doctor who...
< 1353340400 334231 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arisen Anew
< 1353340405 568374 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First track of AlterniaBound
< 1353340447 175985 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see today's update, btw?
< 1353340519 830759 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loving the look on gamzee's face in the last panel
< 1353340571 182636 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the extra few bullets at the end
< 1353340582 799426 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353340848 317103 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did anyone else get one of the thousand giveaway 0x10c accounts?
< 1353340886 739157 :segorev!~cherep@193.34.208.210 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353340895 430019 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x10c is only 268
< 1353340913 254198 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's meant to be 0x10^c
< 1353340934 558450 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes even less sense
< 1353340950 778176 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accounts for the future Mojang game 0x10^c
< 1353340952 339611 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, this could be a bit difficult to do in my head
< 1353340956 693684 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in decimal that's 16^12
< 1353340962 720129 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which = 2^48
< 1353340970 882676 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, umm, quite a lot
< 1353340979 151441 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is set 0x10^c years after 1987
< 1353340985 941072 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 16^12
< 1353340987 882929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  281474976710656
< 1353341003 749090 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to an endiness error on a cryogenesis machine
< 1353341837 923330 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1353341893 557128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353341960 872796 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353342046 897430 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1353342073 133600 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353342306 704326 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1353342468 527806 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-23.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353342482 143176 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-23.elisa.ee QUIT :Client Quit
< 1353342723 181920 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh-oh.
< 1353342733 729647 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matchedroad has a vampire.
< 1353342921 259251 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1353342970 143628 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353343324 31898 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the blood spouting from Gamzee's current wounds is a different colour to the blood from when Nepeta scratched his face
< 1353343356 863734 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :homestuck ruined forever
< 1353343421 806484 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is exceedingly frustrating
< 1353343439 10643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least two dorfs have run directly over a dead carpenter's corpse without remarking upon it at all
< 1353343442 828559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's still just 'missing
< 1353343444 284254 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'
< 1353343456 51811 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they didn't recognize him
< 1353343467 945064 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey, there's a dead dorf here. Is that Urist!?"
< 1353343469 465530 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nah
< 1353343470 519105 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1353343476 28449 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Urist had more blood"
< 1353343526 137924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the especially annoying part is that as a result of this i can't actually convict anyone for it
< 1353343541 142161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Urist's blood was a different color."
< 1353343555 652437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't the homestuck mod!
< 1353343588 664638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have no idea who the vampire actually /is/, unfortunately.
< 1353343644 737713 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who doesn't have a bedroom
< 1353343665 32191 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha as if i have enough bedrooms for everyone
< 1353343689 803491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, it's the strand extractor!
< 1353343696 553979 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The... Great strand extractor.
< 1353343711 592647 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not killing her, vampire though she may be.
< 1353343715 250024 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put him in a locked strand extracting room
< 1353343731 918932 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a hole in the ceiling for dumping raw adamantine
< 1353343743 190705 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a hole in the floor for dumping the extracted strands
< 1353343775 255699 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much the plan.
< 1353343793 991071 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't she get annoyed, or starve to death, or something?
< 1353343795 755747 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably go for an airlock system for the strands though.
< 1353343807 431634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, vampires don't need to eat or drink.
< 1353343818 333359 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1353343823 420840 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the downside?
< 1353343829 134214 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :None, really.
< 1353343830 128037 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They kill people
< 1353343832 508778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they try to kill people I think?
< 1353343832 914530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 8 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1353343839 688543 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For shit and giggles, evidently
< 1353343852 860523 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :She can't improve her skills but strand extraction takes ages to train anyway.
< 1353343889 888811 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :She works really slowly due to an outstanding bug with alcohol dependence but again, strand extraction normally takes so long it'll still be an improvement.
< 1353343894 635366 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does DF have any equivalent of a conveyor belt?
< 1353343901 941265 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecarts!
< 1353343909 445041 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what are strands anyway?
< 1353343935 996571 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353343957 570830 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adamantine is the top-tier metal in DF, and you refine the raw deposits into strands and then into wafers.
< 1353343991 760912 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raw adamantine → strands takes an incredibly long time.
< 1353343997 643423 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then make things with the wafers?
< 1353344002 665353 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1353344007 100070 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, doesn't mining too much adamantine release demons?
< 1353344069 852776 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately you can avoid that if you avoid mining the walls of the spires.
< 1353344076 566189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: well there is hell
< 1353344081 358090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you just have to tip-toe around it
< 1353344096 291620 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you can mine in a pattern that just avoids hell
< 1353344099 953009 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, umm, ends up beneath it?
< 1353344109 848625 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bit leading to hell is a small shaft in the middle of fixed size, so you can infer where it is.
< 1353344133 763886 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, hell is underneath a layer of impenetrable rock at the bottom of the map.
< 1353344152 754184 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right
< 1353344228 872850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The adamantine deposits are narrow spires rising out of that, through a sea of magma, and a variable distance into the rock above.
< 1353344244 496310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: apparently you can enter hell using a demonic fortress in adventure mode.
< 1353344285 293016 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you can.
< 1353344303 810876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it's a bitch to actually find one though.
< 1353344329 219826 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't you make one in fortress mode, then abandon it?
< 1353344346 996251 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you hear about PalaceCrushed?
< 1353344388 412766 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353344606 58406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: i suddenly have encyclopedic knowledge of it
< 1353344655 172628 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-23.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353345007 186769 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you have an encyclopedia about it hadny?
< 1353345020 675812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to ask hadny
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< 1353345855 918552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: actually create defences next time
< 1353346060 845454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_ is the only named dorf to get injured, fortunately.
< 1353346089 373543 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why name a dwarf after the underscored version?
< 1353346159 283690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :har har
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< 1353347228 116118 :ais523__!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
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< 1353352008 499490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps some day in the far future, computer science will invent a way to build parsers other than hand coded control flow around regular expressions
< 1353352040 273463 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer science is a pretty cool guy
< 1353352046 399081 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inventing stuff in the far future
< 1353352048 54409 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe
< 1353352120 164941 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like context-free grammars and shit?
< 1353352134 352263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353352142 639058 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hope they get invented.
< 1353352166 317234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is my sarcastic way of saying "perhaps in the far future programmers will generally be aware of useful CS shit that has existed for decades"
< 1353352173 889083 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1353352240 185435 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing context-free grammars and their various extensions is like one of the most researched things in cs conferences. it's such an oversolved problem that people start snoring when there's a talk about that stuff.
< 1353352258 271552 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least i do :D
< 1353352261 120746 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353352315 938539 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that i _know_ anything about it)
< 1353352371 944788 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I can't wait to enter this world properly
< 1353352389 976151 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :this world? you're already in it
< 1353352392 24982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :screaming, naked, and covered in blood?
< 1353352393 69031 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mysterious world of computer science
< 1353352425 405645 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear google tried to use context-free stuff for their translator. but turned out regexps worked way better for automation with such a supermassive data set.
< 1353352430 936483 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, if I remember, I am going to one day turn up at a computer science conference for a talk that I am presenting, screaming, naked, and covered in blood.
< 1353352453 267839 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because I missed that joke until after I wrote that
< 1353352462 513675 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a computer scientist told me about this in shame.
< 1353352530 559417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that makes sense
< 1353352536 58044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural language is messy too
< 1353352579 46979 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that a CFG is not sufficient and/or good for parsing human languages might not be news for people who know stuff about that stuff
< 1353352622 767839 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :news in general might not be news for people who know stuff about the stuff that the news is supposedly news about
< 1353352647 395040 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense, but it's a bit sad because "the right solution" (from cs point of view) should be the best one _especially_ for such a large-scale thing.
< 1353352703 589264 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily i don't have to think about these kinds of things, CA aren't useful for anything anyway.
< 1353352783 499706 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's much nicer to make a CFG for a subset of english than make a regexp for a subset of english though.
< 1353352786 943723 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :by hand i mean
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< 1353353985 792509 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Destroy your desk it's useless now
< 1353354007 121228 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Build yourself a fort to hide
< 1353354015 826543 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close your eyes and crawl inside
< 1353354022 616062 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're sailing on the pumpkin tide
< 1353354216 14792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353354283 318911 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to either stop posting lyrics or find a Homestuck channel that isn't filled with RP'ers
< 1353354461 585625 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think esper has a big homestuck channel that doesn't allow RP/typing quirks
< 1353354540 594057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353354543 900352 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :RP'ers?
< 1353354547 992928 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roleplayers
< 1353354550 433769 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :role players?
< 1353354552 486603 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1353354564 602405 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, none on mindfang?
< 1353354568 436525 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like rps
< 1353354606 698078 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about mindfang, didn't even know it existed until now
< 1353354663 226991 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:50 [esper] -!- Topic for #pesterchum: Welcome gerbils! \\ http://mspa.vulp.in/pesterchum/ has rules and stuff \\ If you want to RP or use troll typing quirks, do it in another channel, not here. \\ Unable to talk? Try using http://esper.net/publicirc.php \\ the friendship sets sail at dawn \\ http://imgur.com/a/mwcBW
< 1353354673 358870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :E_TOPTOOOLD | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1353354678 822974 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are troll typing quirks?
< 1353354694 893924 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::33 < this appurrs to be the purrfect place for your n33ds
< 1353354704 941088 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.
< 1353354710 924652 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Typing_Quirk
< 1353354734 193484 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, mindfang is the server that the Pesterchum client uses internally
< 1353354737 165800 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh
< 1353354750 68579 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :T3R3Z1 T4LKS L1K3 TH1S and so forth
< 1353354755 458787 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-23.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1353354763 784846 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is E_TOPTOOOLD ever an actual irc error
< 1353354886 803949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I feel like lurking here is going to slowly destroy my understanding of the use-mention distinction, and indeed what quotes are for at all
< 1353354901 403262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do some /// programming and you'll get it right back
< 1353354929 57703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i don't know
< 1353354957 818727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: well we all hate Lolcode here, that's similar
< 1353355032 624386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my promise to fix the /// links back doesn't apply until they actually start working, btw, hth.
< 1353355070 202360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's work
< 1353355086 280524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i know it's a tall order
< 1353355171 461734 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Itflabtijtslwi – /// with input" why is everything unpronouncable
< 1353355193 682206 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives a pronunciation
< 1353355246 272430 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky NICK :Sanqui
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< 1353356531 709307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysteries of dwarf fortress: i have six chains, but i'm only allowed to use two of them for some reason
< 1353356750 165818 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :use more than two and you'll start a chain reaction
< 1353356896 293863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, my jail cells definitely aren't designed for criticality safety
< 1353357474 611125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I DON'T SEE WHAT'S UNPRONOUNCABLE ABOUT ITFLABTIJTSLWI
< 1353357517 260471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do the IJ as in DIJKSTRA, btw
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< 1353357586 634851 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do the ij from Dijsktra as in Itflabtijtslwi, so I wouldn't know
< 1353357596 426489 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that some kind of dutch weirdness?
< 1353357648 700752 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a two-letter "y" look-alike - as in i and j put next to each other looks like a y
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< 1353357668 877401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : > text (repeat '"')
< 1353357674 358903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var (repeat '"')
< 1353357686 329343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2+2
< 1353357688 488148 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""...
< 1353357688 717769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  can't find file: L.hs
< 1353357694 845586 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot......................
< 1353357729 468681 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: do you pronounce "cp" as φ?
< 1353357744 45135 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: no, I'm not Dutch
< 1353357788 814364 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353357846 330424 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok, it's a greek letter
< 1353357857 84313 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/temporary%20shit/itflabtijtslwi.wma ?
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< 1353357932 450485 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one part I find somewhat difficult is the -lwi at the end
< 1353357962 267974 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, i thought tslw was a pretty natural cluster
< 1353358234 92654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and that's from a finn.
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< 1353359312 950269 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey we even have str in some loan words.
< 1353359343 964124 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :str is easier than tslw
< 1353359372 66056 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :English has tchst
< 1353359378 916143 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a joke based on the guess that it's universally considered the easiest three consonant cluster on earth.
< 1353359532 711796 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that I have no idea where I saved my unfinished Haskell port of MCMap
< 1353359572 403810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait where do we have tchst
< 1353359572 874635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also
< 1353359575 3459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "mcmap" not MCMap
< 1353359587 678543 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is something else, obviously
< 1353359592 213406 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in "matchstick"
< 1353359716 842969 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353359720 504429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shattered illusion of the week: ian stewart's lectures aren't great
< 1353359857 614300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :revelation of the week: mathematicians make terrible caterers
< 1353359857 800228 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353359928 137048 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good revelation? maybe it will save your catering party, one day
< 1353360523 683092 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: http://retroprogramming.com
< 1353361197 405576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well _i_ for one wouldn't trust me to do catering.
< 1353362026 953446 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1353362049 571770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eurgh
< 1353362056 432041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fps is in the low 40s and falling
< 1353362075 682754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is the price for having dorfs constantly tramping halfway across the map? who knows
< 1353362197 566680 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353362575 946619 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353362682 879124 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1353362779 178323 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah there are too many SYNTAX AND KEYWORDS
< 1353362790 962554 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does ~(foo) mean in C?
< 1353362829 76097 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ is bitwise not
< 1353362850 981955 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks
< 1353362941 450806 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1353363158 524227 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1353363434 181779 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would be so much easier if I knew any C
< 1353363457 675380 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you trying to do?
< 1353363661 84574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm impressed that you managed to avoid learning c
< 1353364010 781937 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353364115 980804 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... oh...
< 1353364126 572217 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a forgotten beast moving towards the entrance to my fortress
< 1353364141 843468 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353364279 449061 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Say goodbye to your little friends.
< 1353364292 974138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately it went the other way
< 1353364302 450917 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i *think* i have it walled off now
< 1353364367 781066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1353364372 880791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't have it walled off
< 1353364462 994715 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least so far it's only set fire to one of the crappy armourers!
< 1353364472 768691 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1353364557 523925 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out the reason code highlighting was broken in our app is that it was trying to highlight everything as matlab
< 1353364560 514996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking matlab
< 1353364641 360218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it Objective C or something?
< 1353364675 50584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353364683 709769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that the pygments "guess_lexer" function seems to always guess matlab
< 1353364693 371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular if the code block is actually just english text
< 1353364715 562415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim highlights .m files as Matlab
< 1353364721 901782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by "broken" i mean that it would highlight things that weren't meant to be highlighted)
< 1353364726 850141 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1353364862 241213 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all down to Gregor now.
< 1353364862 762928 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353364994 684726 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1353365009 567700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it always.
< 1353365025 653987 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353365159 694431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :teeth and fire are everywhere
< 1353365248 742580 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also itidus20 burned to death
< 1353365256 972606 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was a furnace operator, how ironic
< 1353365265 52733 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is Gregor?
< 1353365341 38595 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :militia commander
< 1353365392 222924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just kind of stood around on the stairs, then went back home and left a single lasher to deal with the beast
< 1353365454 733462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he basically whipped it apart piece by piece whilst on fire
< 1353365488 495137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: me
< 1353365496 510434 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I anyone?
< 1353365499 326803 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353365531 683763 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the manager/bookkeeper/broker
< 1353365538 695888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but not anyone *in particular*
< 1353365543 822419 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh how could i forget shachaf 
< 1353365550 762945 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you want to be shachaf 
< 1353365559 957082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1353365566 568554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1353365574 894379 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if they're all dead now, then you can sort of start over, no? X-D
< 1353365586 69947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i be the norwegian ambassador
< 1353365586 576964 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, only iti and some nobody died
< 1353365594 131716 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, we don't have one of those
< 1353365605 957356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1353365608 3363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are my choices
< 1353365669 100618 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you rename dead dorfs? shachaf could be the dead nobody
< 1353365698 224586 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so
< 1353365734 69359 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, uh, pick any of http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Skill
< 1353365747 398048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i dont play df"
< 1353365753 818177 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353365757 244513 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the least helpful skill?
< 1353365757 390148 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is list of jobs
< 1353365760 636004 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can he be the latrine cleaner?
< 1353365767 616073 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brown ones are largely useless
< 1353365782 982551 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :animal caretaker is literally useless
< 1353365793 327572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that looks like a song.
< 1353365811 849774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be set to the tune of "modern major general"
< 1353365924 120296 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1353366242 334545 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is now burned lasher
< 1353366249 760410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1353366252 472129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1353366261 765271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i be the norwegian ambassador
< 1353366276 308206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately df is not yet able to simulate norway
< 1353366302 736995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ambassador can i be?????
< 1353366347 521336 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353366350 339193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python threads suck, therefore concurrency is a bad concept. MySQL sucks, therefore relational databases are fundamentally wrong. Java sucks, therefore static type systems are worthless.
< 1353366351 932590 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  unfortunately df is not yet able to simulate norway
< 1353366356 633533 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :866)  unfortunately df is not yet able to simulate norway
< 1353366463 220950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think most people who complain about concurrency complain about how hard it is to reason about.
< 1353366473 660336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python concurrency is, if I remember correctly, unusually easy to reason about. :-)
< 1353366496 560602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: depending on what you mean by concurrency i'd agree with the firts
< 1353366497 582739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*first
< 1353366498 161642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whenever somebody suggests improving python threading, the response is always like "you shouldn't ever use threads for anything anyway"
< 1353366520 701313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i have a very specific need which would be easily solved by a competent threading implementation
< 1353366685 706395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the need?
< 1353366699 23706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy balls http://stackoverflow.com/questions/323972/is-there-any-way-to-kill-a-thread-in-python
< 1353366705 210574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling the CPython API from ctypes LIKE A BOSS
< 1353366714 959925 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: need to call a function with a time limit
< 1353366720 92057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what is your need
< 1353366721 752792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you said that
< 1353366723 411511 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't use SIGALRM because it interferes with python's shitty threading
< 1353366727 729512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which django is already forcing me to use
< 1353366742 609501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't this what that multiprocessing thing is for
< 1353366761 751623 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that library is also steaming dog shit
< 1353366763 963472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it might work
< 1353366768 53088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: People in #haskell are talking about how to preserve its "niceness culture". You should post that post you wrote about it.
< 1353366842 901041 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, ... oh, I don't actually need to do your use case, thought I did but I don't
< 1353366867 740645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt it will play nicely with django
< 1353366875 842881 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Functionality within this package requires that the __main__ module be importable by the children."
< 1353366887 127165 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I'm sort of abusing Python threading to work around a blocking API, although there's nonblocking versions but those require Tornado or Twisted
< 1353366965 709120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no fuck this module
< 1353366975 477318 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will just os.fork() and send the result back over a pipe and /fuck it/
< 1353366983 882816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can kill python threads you know
< 1353366990 130906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just unsafe
< 1353366993 474948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like killing threads in almost all languages
< 1353367016 114026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't a public or reliable API for doing it either
< 1353367064 787152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that applies to most languages though
< 1353367075 853213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it?
< 1353367078 647267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the reliable part
< 1353367082 163182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance you can't reliably kill a pthread
< 1353367084 546324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by design
< 1353367094 970394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC Haskell does have asynchronous exceptions and at least some thought put into making them safe
< 1353367098 696689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realize it's not perfect
< 1353367105 668994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK GHC is the only runtime that offers thread-killing that you are actually allowed to use
< 1353367110 249610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353367112 233453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Java?
< 1353367121 239343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"See this thread by Sun on why they deprecated Thread.stop(). It goes into detail about why this was a bad method and what should be done to safely stop threads in general.
< 1353367121 423798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1353367125 930697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353367126 390996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The way they recomend is to use a shared variable as a flag which asks the background thread to stop. This variable can then be set by a different object requesting the thread terminate."
< 1353367126 607539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1353367138 982596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is calling function with a timeout really that unreasonable of a goal?
< 1353367141 453522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that killing a thread is roughly a fundamentally unsafe operation
< 1353367150 367279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i believed you the first 8 times you told me so
< 1353367150 517176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially, it more or less makes sure you cannot have any sort of guarantees
< 1353367160 228565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that was the first time I said that
< 1353367165 308693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you misinterpreted other things I said as meaning that
< 1353367175 45923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: anyway calling a pure function with a timeout is reasonable
< 1353367176 796556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impure, not so much
< 1353367185 356771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it changes state? what if it acquires a lock?
< 1353367189 690436 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing i want is conceptually a pure function, although who knows what it uses internally
< 1353367192 940795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it does blocking IO?
< 1353367195 460981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer: a bunch of poorly written regex parsing
< 1353367197 972738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1353367198 900501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC gets away with the last one by never doing blocking IO
< 1353367200 54909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could go wrong
< 1353367203 244199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a lot of work
< 1353367205 194852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think i could get away with it in this case
< 1353367208 436027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1353367219 877069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you are doing something unsafe in general
< 1353367223 236588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but which works for your usecase
< 1353367228 389032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a good use of a non-public API :P
< 1353367234 668399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are degrees
< 1353367258 625132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafe things should still be public and documented when possible
< 1353367260 438179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :harm reduction, man
< 1353367261 68741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :°
< 1353367268 949879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the thread-killing stuff is actually documented? not sure
< 1353367282 377025 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1353367282 586431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it may be documented as part of the CPython "API"
< 1353367288 577829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka "the parts of the interpreter we decided to not make static"
< 1353367299 414447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it is not like it is the only thing about threads which are unsafe and break guarantees
< 1353367314 351128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think concurrent imperative programs are basically a dead end, I don't see any way to make them feasible to reason about at all
< 1353367345 908695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disagree, i think with good tools for managing the diffusion of shared state, it can work
< 1353367348 891068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway
< 1353367350 570643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even want shared state
< 1353367353 764437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a timeout on a pure function
< 1353367365 868845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353367389 62847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I think modern non-concurrent imperative programs are basically impossible to reason about too
< 1353368932 475260 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353369512 827251 :raziellight!~fdf@S0106002191dec0ca.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353371007 546018 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1353371078 343238 :raziellight!~fdf@S0106002191dec0ca.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :
< 1353373040 26661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :information-theoretically, how much do you lose by insisting on a self-synchronizing code
< 1353373921 2794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is nothing in the limit of long enough strings
< 1353373967 111198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*code words
< 1353374145 976116 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so too
< 1353374149 167377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, sufficiently many code words
< 1353374160 550488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the framing is a constant amount of mutual information between the sender and receiver
< 1353374708 258765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the heating vents in my house are producing air that smells like naptha
< 1353375399 29260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a portal to hell, nothing to worry about
< 1353375565 974883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1353375745 647027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you had strawberries with balsamic vinegar yet!
< 1353375870 685493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1353375906 433463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353376012 145533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the JavaScriptMVC people got back to me
< 1353376044 424572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of an odd response
< 1353376054 8027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts with "Thanks for pointing this out. And we will likely change it."
< 1353376065 344544 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then explains various reasons why they shouldn't have to change it and don't want to
< 1353376138 924921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1353376140 374560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the reasons
< 1353376159 955623 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :predictable ones
< 1353376168 167976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) we didn't mean that so it doesn't count  (2) even if we *did* mean that it'd be okay
< 1353376174 181214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(3) ???
< 1353376174 329892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353376193 872653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will unfairly paraphrase them as "it's your fault for noticing that the word 'craftsman' is based on the word 'man'"
< 1353376206 159425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "thinking of non-gendered terms is simply beyond my ability as a writer"
< 1353376271 970361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"craftspeople" hth
< 1353376316 196329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ends with 'Do you think we can ever live in a world where we can say "all woman created equal" or "craftsman"  without everyone getting upset?  Where people don't read into meanings that aren't there.'
< 1353376324 518596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a pretty perfect opportunity to link http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/purity.html
< 1353376354 442665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think we can ever live in a world where people who make shitty javascript frameworks don't consider themselves authorities on everything
< 1353376355 784918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i guess this is one of those areas where calmly pointing out the unintended consequences of someone's actions is equivalent to "getting upset"
< 1353376360 187827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no hth
< 1353376410 17322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo point out that "all woman created equal" isn't grammatically correct
< 1353376423 268972 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1353376921 641088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just use Text. :-)
< 1353376924 452205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er.
< 1353376927 929034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was my knee.
< 1353376936 630828 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, the "I didn't /intend/ to be sexist/racist/etc, so it wasn't"
< 1353376948 141221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That was the response you expected, right?
< 1353376978 132044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they cited south park to make some unclear point
< 1353376981 670950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is... not a great sign
< 1353376985 378763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i expected worse
< 1353376988 301124 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a bingo to me
< 1353377013 43032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you think i'm sexist? well that just makes you sexistist!"
< 1353377014 758714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, they are saying incorrect things, but in a way which is potentially open to calm discussion, and they *did* say they're going to change it
< 1353377024 570826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is better than i hoped because i'm a misanthrope
< 1353377028 191655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or.... humanist?!?!?
< 1353377041 149421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Fiora
< 1353377045 147956 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1353377047 637127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to the nick i haven't seen before treatment
< 1353377051 437393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :available exclusively from elliott
< 1353377060 436006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: aren't we all :'(
< 1353377066 115857 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, hi
< 1353377073 442028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm avoiding even saying that their word choice is "sexist" because at the end of the day this is a pretty small thing
< 1353377078 662626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would say "exclusionary" and perhaps "alienating"
< 1353377081 757036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are some good words
< 1353377085 878068 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :othering
< 1353377089 13203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353377089 677135 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :exclusionary is probably the best I think
< 1353377117 630263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME fiora
< 1353377119 766302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ｗｅｌｃｏｍｅ fiora
< 1353377121 405303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other ones are there
< 1353377121 989583 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIORA: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.)
< 1353377126 694247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've lost track
< 1353377129 751655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE Fiora
< 1353377135 182118 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FiOrA: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.)
< 1353377140 566742 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think fullwidth only exists in upper case
< 1353377142 260641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tervetuloa Fiora
< 1353377145 406994 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: tervetuloa: not found
< 1353377146 154131 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ｗｅｌｃｏｍｅ: not found
< 1353377150 782043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT
< 1353377151 165784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ Fiora
< 1353377154 565661 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ: not found
< 1353377160 145729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: add `tervetuloa thx
< 1353377161 28199 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides
< 1353377161 607052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`Ｗｅｌｃｏｍｅ Fiora
< 1353377161 752902 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``hello''
< 1353377164 159896 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcoming is hard
< 1353377164 667967 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: Ｗｅｌｃｏｍｅ: not found
< 1353377165 40693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w3lc0m3 Fiora
< 1353377166 196105 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep so many welcomes
< 1353377166 597329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is it
< 1353377169 56985 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: w3lc0m3: not found
< 1353377169 202453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: add `tervetuloa thx
< 1353377170 173501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin | paste
< 1353377175 267040 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.22997
< 1353377181 326424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: don't you dare feel welcome until this is over
< 1353377189 471164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ" a victory for bad encoding
< 1353377190 945484 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `hello'': not found
< 1353377192 195772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome | rot13
< 1353377193 574930 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man there are only three welcomes
< 1353377197 441948 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​|: rot13: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1353377199 17743 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this garbage
< 1353377200 163982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :buh
< 1353377204 182715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ Fiora
< 1353377204 638081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome Fiora | rot13
< 1353377209 836893 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ＦＩＯＲＡ：　ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ　ＴＯ　ＴＨＥ　ＩＮＴＥＲＮＡＴＩＯＮＡＬ　ＨＵＢ　ＦＯＲ　ＥＳＯＴＥＲＩＣ　ＰＲＯＧＲＡＭＭＩＮＧ　ＬＡＮＧＵＡＧＥ　ＤＥＳＩＧＮ　ＡＮＤ　ＤＥＰＬＯＹＭＥＮＴ！　ＦＯＲ　ＭＯＲＥ　ＩＮＦＯＲＭＡＴＩＯＮ，　ＣＨＥＣＫ　ＯＵＴ　ＯＵＲ　ＷＩＫＩ：　ＨＴＴＰ：／／ＥＳＯＬＡＮＧＳ．
< 1353377212 45473 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect
< 1353377214 6137 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@___@
< 1353377214 376750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1353377220 937189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we are... coming on too strong?
< 1353377229 399474 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353377230 132238 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1353377235 182497 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stay strong, fiora, irc bots can't last forever
< 1353377239 798719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not enough welcome imo
< 1353377243 672791 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: do you know who "sgeo" is
< 1353377253 692956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome Fiora | tr 'a-zA-Z' 'n-za-mN-ZA-M'
< 1353377256 315982 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... I don't think os
< 1353377257 264943 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Svben: Jrypbzr gb gur vagreangvbany uho sbe rfbgrevp cebtenzzvat ynathntr qrfvta naq qrcyblzrag! Sbe zber vasbezngvba, purpx bhg bhe jvxv: uggc://rfbynatf.bet/jvxv/Znva_Cntr. (Sbe gur bgure xvaq bs rfbgrevpn, gel #rfbgrevp ba vep.qny.arg.)
< 1353377257 591150 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*so
< 1353377258 472386 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353377262 214665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just typing that god dammit
< 1353377264 807728 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: put Fiora on the list
< 1353377266 798954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i stole the tr off google
< 1353377269 698085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i am bad
< 1353377273 602846 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: "you won't regret this"
< 1353377279 404357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is the emperor of hexham
< 1353377281 911338 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what list 
< 1353377284 215962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: You don't want to be on the list.
< 1353377286 2314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously.
< 1353377291 865473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The list is the most annoying thing to be on.
< 1353377292 37049 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idon'tevenknowwhat'sgoingon
< 1353377302 97343 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you tell if you're on the list
< 1353377303 375851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Remember: "stay off the list"
< 1353377308 575424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome Fiora | perl -e '$a=<>;print reverse $a'
< 1353377309 998236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Sgeo tells you
< 1353377312 406083 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1353377314 942732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck!!
< 1353377316 470943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did i do wrong
< 1353377318 544196 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what even is the list <_>
< 1353377323 979849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Don't you dare put Fiora on the list, you hear?
< 1353377327 678755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1353377342 848149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome Fiora | python -e '__import__("sys").stdout.write(__import__("sys").stdin.read().reverse())'
< 1353377346 844339 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: -e \ usage: python [option] ... [-c cmd | -m mod | file | -] [arg] ... \ Try `python -h' for more information.
< 1353377349 582899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf!!!!
< 1353377352 217535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome Fiora | python -c '__import__("sys").stdout.write(__import__("sys").stdin.read().reverse())'
< 1353377356 592396 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \   File "", line 1, in  \ AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'reverse'
< 1353377365 711926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh i hate python
< 1353377369 870059 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcoming is harder than I ever could have imagined.
< 1353377371 672060 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the feeling is apparently mutual :p
< 1353377374 258248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome Fiora | perl -pe '$_ = reverse $_;'
< 1353377374 408680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome Fiora | python -c '__import__("sys").stdout.write(reversed(__import__("sys").stdin.read()))'
< 1353377378 700555 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\ ).ten.lad.cri no ciretose# yrt ,aciretose fo dnik rehto eht roF( .egaP_niaM/ikiw/gro.sgnalose//:ptth :ikiw ruo tuo kcehc ,noitamrofni erom roF !tnemyolped dna ngised egaugnal gnimmargorp ciretose rof buh lanoitanretni eht ot emocleW :aroiF
< 1353377382 214665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect
< 1353377386 980425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble Fiora: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1353377387 777375 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foa ecm oteitrainlhbfreoei rgamn agaedsg n elyet o oeifrain hc u u ii tp/eoag.r/iiMi_ae Frteohrkn feoeia r eoei nicdlnt).e.a.r ocrts#yt,crts odi et h o(.gPna/kwgosnls/:th:kwrotokec,otmon rmrF!nmopddanie gunl ...
< 1353377395 854482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on
< 1353377396 100 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \   File "", line 1, in  \ TypeError: must be string or read-only character buffer, not reversed
< 1353377397 889296 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did I start here ._.
< 1353377398 86146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give up
< 1353377400 199833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't get any more welcomes
< 1353377400 579977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where zalgo
< 1353377400 985368 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Random;main=mapM_((>>(י=< Fiora: well we all hate Lolcode here, that's similar
< 1353377631 608340 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drat, our camouflage foiled
< 1353377634 809575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed that we have both a FreeFull and FireFly, that's confusing
< 1353377641 539509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: can't bring out all the welcomes before you know someone's serious
< 1353377662 498349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly for confusing people -----###
< 1353377663 950852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: You know, I never got the welcome treatment.
< 1353377678 556810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION then swats Fiora for confusing his tab completion -----###
< 1353377685 23254 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :owwwww
< 1353377698 43086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you ever get `welcomed?
< 1353377705 467330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it's ok. you'll get used to it. after a while the swats don't even hurt
< 1353377713 101677 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been registered with nickserv for almost two years longer than FireFly
< 1353377713 338418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i don't even notice i was swatted
< 1353377723 251984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats elliott for demonstration -----###
< 1353377723 859252 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but shouldn't you swat, like, the fly
< 1353377732 431085 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly probably was in the channel before me though
< 1353377735 45448 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to be swatted
< 1353377735 432450 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just what are you implying!
< 1353377736 730162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote FireFly.*dies
< 1353377741 64558 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :62) * oerjan swats FireFly since he's easier to hit -----###   Meh  * FireFly dies
< 1353377750 419648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote hi
< 1353377753 676423 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :6)  His body should be given to science.  He's alive :P  Even so. \ 9)  Lil`Cube: you had cavity searches?  not yet  trying to thou, just so I can check it off on my list of things to expirence \ 13)  "You're at that stage in your life where you're going to want to do some things in private." --my mom \ 16)  the supremum of the set of everyone
< 1353378318 467828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry kmc but nothing you say or do will ever be fantastic :(
< 1353378319 926353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just kidding
< 1353378330 624620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but could i be... fabulous?
< 1353378338 846426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe faaaaabulous?
< 1353378355 975421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Isn't it great when you're reading a book from the 1950s and "fantastic" doesn't mean "very good"?
< 1353378358 930614 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote haskell
< 1353378362 138631 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :210)  22:55 < qfr> How am I supposed to develop software in Haskell if I can't even  prepare my projects in UML?! It seems like an impossible task.   HAHA  [...]   this is amazing, like meeting a Mormon or something \ 366) [after a long string of Lymia getting lambdabot to spit out huge, meaningless type signatures]  I need to learn more Haskell...   ..I need
< 1353378385 884754 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the reason the adjective "awesome" dominates is that all others are perceived as "too gay"
< 1353378400 322721 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a reason, that
< 1353378437 614091 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with bright, happy adjectives?
< 1353378437 878821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "is this this channe p. bad right now"
< 1353378443 928254 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the morman doorman
< 1353378446 674049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coming this fall to CBS
< 1353378451 913291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what a gaysome theory
< 1353378479 319357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric
< 1353378479 991595 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@dsl-olubrasgw2-fe6bf800-88.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing here
< 1353378481 16540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never stop sucking
< 1353378483 664662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up oonbotti
< 1353378502 606780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: have you considered changing your nick to "fremont"
< 1353378509 992675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fremont: the best nick
< 1353378539 681563 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric : ..I need
< 1353378543 808765 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT DID I NEED
< 1353378544 846097 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, excuse me
< 1353378549 686279 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did I need?
< 1353378556 238146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: should i use spivak pronouns like sorear
< 1353378564 433006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to
< 1353378594 937810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: it was CakeProphet, not you
< 1353378608 849984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Every noun is instantly assigned a gender in my mind. :-(
< 1353378613 420462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"does that make me sexist"
< 1353378614 344498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet1: nothing wrong with them unless you are super paranoid about anyone thinking you might be gay, which apparently a lot of heterosexual men are
< 1353378614 657173 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why would you lie to yourself like that
< 1353378617 924587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't totally understand
< 1353378622 332313 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote I need
< 1353378625 517092 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :226)  I need a new desktop background   j-invariant: Try http://codu.org/spinners.png (tiled)   uhrghoaudp \ 279) 00:07 Sgeo has quit (IRC is taking up too much of my time. I need time to study the Bible and find Christ.)  00:12 Sgeo has joined #esoteric. \ 366) [after a long string of Lymia getting lambdabot to spit out huge, meaningless type signatures]  I need to learn more
< 1353378632 356903 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1353378632 502264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didnt help monqy
< 1353378636 631553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is this because of hebrew or finnish or something
< 1353378637 329121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that made it worse
< 1353378642 564216 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think X is a pretty cool guy. E respects all genders and doesn't afraid of anything.
< 1353378642 750168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hebrew, yes.
< 1353378646 855158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: By the way, it's not always the same gender as in Hebrew.
< 1353378647 768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 366
< 1353378651 358189 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :366) [after a long string of Lymia getting lambdabot to spit out huge, meaningless type signatures]  I need to learn more Haskell...   ..I need to get op privs.
< 1353378660 572749 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353378661 674245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a world in which CakeProphet has ops. what a world
< 1353378667 16549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Finnish doesn't distinguish "he" from "she"!
< 1353378667 593324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbuh
< 1353378668 613168 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was underwhelming
< 1353378669 649362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish++
< 1353378674 177961 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: woah
< 1353378679 257535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's all speak finnish
< 1353378694 350079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're both "hän"
< 1353378701 195650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "yeah but then you have to speak finnish"
< 1353378708 466377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't finnish's singular they also their "it"
< 1353378713 631017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sensible
< 1353378715 938261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/"//g needs to be more confusing
< 1353378728 865543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/'s//
< 1353378741 932024 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it puts the lotion -- you know what, nevermind
< 1353378753 279157 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi what's going on
< 1353378758 826124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime Fiora
< 1353378760 748701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Fiora is Tue Nov 20 02:32:39 2012
< 1353378766 104390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: GET OUT OF HERE YOU'RE RUINING MY TAB COMPLETION
< 1353378769 504685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime fizzie
< 1353378770 120322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to figure out a way to point out that labeling your opponents as "upset" is a classic tool of the patriarchy, a way of pointing this out which has some chance of being productive
< 1353378770 328914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for fizzie is Tue Nov 20 04:32:49 2012
< 1353378778 637381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1353378781 403443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not going to make Fiora feel very welcome shachaf...............
< 1353378788 568658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: "sorry :'("
< 1353378794 253975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: you can stay
< 1353378794 451817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't drop the p-bomb just yet
< 1353378818 589997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not a fan of the p-bomb
< 1353378818 771693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: feel like making a terrible u mad joke round about now
< 1353378822 917676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it
< 1353378829 18990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i have to maintain my dignity!!!
< 1353378833 640027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to be willing to throw it all away for a u mad joke
< 1353378834 349695 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have ops in other channels. thank you very much. I only occasionally abuse it.
< 1353378834 518525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what dignity
< 1353378837 467575 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't find what p bomb means
< 1353378839 300095 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: maybe making parallels with "hysteria", though maybe i'm assuming too much about people's knowledge of victorian psychology
< 1353378848 484294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's when you pee into a balloon and then throw it at someone
< 1353378857 775673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw that on TV
< 1353378862 986814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoiler alert: it did not go as planned
< 1353378875 822550 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://deepclimate.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/contraian-publication-record.gif i'm searching but???????
< 1353378884 437541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hysteria: a sexist word??
< 1353378888 598266 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.p-bomb.net/ hELP?????
< 1353378890 171461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mcintyre........... what are you doing
< 1353378897 978495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow nice site
< 1353378906 123326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as good as sour cereal though
< 1353378919 319198 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is starting a new trend of UPPERCASE nicks
< 1353378927 159927 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wait. 2 years from now. everyone will be doing it.
< 1353378939 820886 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :too long have the lowercase nicks reigned supreme.
< 1353378943 252694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick ΚΑΛΛΙΣΤΗΙ
< 1353378953 567638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we start a new trend of kicking people with uppercase nicks
< 1353378955 491335 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You laugh at the right jokes, you fire back witty (but not to witty) remarks, your eyes take on a extra little sparkle and then, it happens. The 'P' Bomb.
< 1353378964 983180 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't read that because putty sucks at UTF-8 apparently. or maybe it's Windows system fonts or something
< 1353378979 144482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hacked by greek
< 1353378996 971710 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Short for "party bomb", P-Bombs are typically spoken in secret.
< 1353378997 183444 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used by people in the party industry, P-bombers talk trash about other people inside and outside of the industry; other party professionals, vendors and clients..
< 1353378998 475893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aim hecked
< 1353378999 944395 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether they know it or not, dropping P-bombs works 100% against them.
< 1353379018 166691 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this is a thing
< 1353379040 382501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my humble opinion, Charles Barkley is the greatest on-air talent we have in the United States; I can honestly say that with a straight face. 
< 1353379040 528308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is completely honest and if you can't laugh while watching him on a broadcast then something may be wrong with you.
< 1353379040 528505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last night, the Orlando Magic advanced to the NBA Finals by knocking off LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers. However the highlight of the night for me came when Charles Barkley called his producer a p***y on air. 
< 1353379042 548678 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm getting this all from multiple sources i want to be sure i have the right definition
< 1353379047 989931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's right: Charles Barkley really did say that. Talk about coming out of left field.
< 1353379057 592536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason you're not finding anything is because there is no such thing as a phosphorus bomb today. The proper name is "incendiary bomb with white phosphorus", and it was outclassed by napalm since Korean War. 
< 1353379060 558271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the reporters with NO understanding of military terms, that invent names like "phosphorus bomb". 
< 1353379081 732735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neopets "P-bomb" In-Depth Weapon Info | Neopets Battlepedia
< 1353379083 686413 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :p***y?
< 1353379088 720625 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has some difficult phonation.
< 1353379090 475586 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :p art y
< 1353379104 633517 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "p" bomb
< 1353379108 105048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :KALLISTI: "its just a terminal emulator that doesnt support greek"
< 1353379119 831608 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: who are you quoting
< 1353379124 713708 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :[citation needed]
< 1353379126 435281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :KALLISTI: monqy
< 1353379134 473048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :called him a p***y
< 1353379137 306902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :called him a PuTTY?
< 1353379166 777746 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized PuTTY is way awesomer if you read it as "Pu TTY" instead of "putty"
< 1353379190 833350 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a party on air anything like when you have a thing "on ice", like with the ice skating puppets and stuff
< 1353379192 572640 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it still sucks either way
< 1353379193 129762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :putty: radioactive??
< 1353379196 678110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this p-bomb result looks good but it won't load
< 1353379204 583427 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe now the puppets are in the air
< 1353379207 933841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's cached
< 1353379214 397790 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each time we venture outside of our beloved Orange Bubble, we are sure to meet and chat with the many non-Princetonians of the world. It is at this time that we are confronted with a perplexing dilemma that can have far-reaching implications for the rest of the interactions we will have with this person: Do we reveal the fact that we go to Princeton? And if we do, how do we go about it?
< 1353379214 543561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be this sense of discomfort, this tendency toward hesitation, whenever a situation arises where we are prompted to disclose the name of our university. This is true not only for Princeton students, but for students of every school that has gained a prestigious reputation. However, to keep the focus on us, there is a Princeton-specific phrase that one of my classmates once used for this sort of university disclosure that I will use 
< 1353379215 392586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :henceforth, and that phrase is “dropping the P-bomb.”
< 1353379227 877906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this might be the most pretentious thing ever written
< 1353379238 148282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a check which is cached
< 1353379244 656514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When entering into a conversation with a stranger of the non-Princetonian variety, the accepted protocol is not to first ask what res college the person is from, what they’re planning on majoring in and the other banal college questions we like to ask each other, but to start off more broadly. Introductions do usually include information about what people do with their lives, however, and it is a normal convention to ask college-age-looking peo
< 1353379244 802096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ple if and where they go to school.
< 1353379244 802467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :When this question arises, we have two viable options: the straight P-bomb route or the New Jersey route. Many of us, I’ve learned, like to first choose the New Jersey route, where we simply answer the question of what college we go to with “ I go to school in New Jersey.”
< 1353379253 424459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"correct facsimile"
< 1353379269 110259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'did they teach you that word at Talk Like a Dick School'
< 1353379272 388693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...]
< 1353379272 737143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first possibility is this: We are not uncomfortable with dropping the P-bomb at all. In fact, maybe it’s our favorite thing to do. Maybe we love that moment when people ask us where we go to school so much that we draw it out, make it last longer, make a production out of it. They ask what school we go to, we name a state instead. Answering in this vague way effectively doubles the number of questions we get to answer about where we go to s
< 1353379272 882880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chool, and we love that. And the suspense! We create this awesome level of suspense so that when they ask question number two — “Where in New Jersey?” — we can really drive it home with a nice, resounding “Princeton!”
< 1353379293 439564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no it has 18 comments but the cache doesn't have them
< 1353379308 717791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache for your warhol
< 1353379333 611546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CACHE 4 GOLD
< 1353379335 216476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353379337 829423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CACHE 4 PLUTONIUM
< 1353379380 544433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is plutonium still dangerous now that it's not named after a planet
< 1353379382 672873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"imo no"
< 1353379390 271005 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are you quoting
< 1353379394 375411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :KALLISTI
< 1353379401 7019 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1353379407 471548 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is me
< 1353379410 924714 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353379447 377712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no im KALLISTI
< 1353379464 90703 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1353379466 259788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are amazon mp3 songs watermarked
< 1353379472 261487 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 year article in wirde says they are not
< 1353379473 491278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wired too
< 1353379476 450198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird magazine
< 1353379479 536761 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think shachaf has lost his mind
< 1353379494 55720 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much referential transparency.
< 1353379527 399169 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: how would you tell if they're watermarked?
< 1353379534 106027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably can't
< 1353379539 586004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why i am asking other people
< 1353379545 708442 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cos i have a few songs from amazon and I haven't noticed anything
< 1353379553 979658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example someone in this channel might be jeff bezos's secret confidant
< 1353379561 221610 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than the weird program you have to use to download albums for some damn reason
< 1353379563 165505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's at all competent it would not be hear-able
< 1353379565 833383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah what's with that program
< 1353379568 868232 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have some open source workalike
< 1353379578 342842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The id3 tag says Amazon!
< 1353379581 14864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"totally a watermark"
< 1353379587 841427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am jeff bezos
< 1353379591 38307 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiiiii-
< 1353379597 983543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[connection reset by peer]
< 1353379602 421504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[kmc died on the way to his home planet]
< 1353379607 358004 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: who are you quoting
< 1353379609 377263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not a planet
< 1353379611 817121 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«All tracks were originally sold in 256 kilobits-per-second variable bitrate MP3 format without per-customer watermarking or DRM; however some tracks are now watermarked.» ok
< 1353379615 820720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :KALLISTI: elliott
< 1353379626 633715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without watermarking with watermarking
< 1353379632 456267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :256 kilobits-per-second variable bitrate motion picture experts' group layer III format
< 1353379657 369896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Em Pi Shalosh
< 1353379665 202288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: gotta expand III too
< 1353379665 847982 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html/ref=dm_adp_uits?ie=UTF8&nodeId=200422000
< 1353379675 613882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :successor of successor of successor of zero
< 1353379684 331592 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how do I know!!!!
< 1353379684 477254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero is dead?!
< 1353379690 89164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :long live one
< 1353379701 958263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix succ
< 1353379714 551177 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fux sicc
< 1353379719 663242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> void [1..] > voided 5
< 1353379721 821172 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  True
< 1353379727 190864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "lazy nats in lambdabot?????"
< 1353379729 769165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t voided
< 1353379731 405917 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int -> [()]
< 1353379736 321377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t void
< 1353379737 647653 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: who are you quoting
< 1353379738 142113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => f a -> f ()
< 1353379740 585692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ew
< 1353379746 328383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gross
< 1353379766 231445 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t voided
< 1353379767 770335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int -> [()]
< 1353379776 744067 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. okay.
< 1353379790 314481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have multiple copies purchased could you use that to eliminate watermarks?
< 1353379800 843392 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i use clamz
< 1353379803 986082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in debian
< 1353379805 704313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :works all rite
< 1353379825 665402 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet
< 1353379828 114863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sounds like a fun watermarking scheme.
< 1353379828 627968 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes.  mv nowatermark.mp3 watermark.mp3
< 1353379860 460006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such that given a file with two different watermarks you can't get an unwatermarked version.
< 1353379882 308140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, two different files.
< 1353379889 461610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whatever"
< 1353379974 50479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :KALLISTI: Not what I mean. I mean that multiple customer purchase it, combine it, to make it such that you now have a new watermark which is difficult to trace to the individuals unless you know the key you used.
< 1353380136 938015 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see I've been quoted.
< 1353380153 184637 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I was quoted saying that there is no computable set of axioms in first-order logic that uniquely defines the natural numbers.
< 1353380166 619157 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Gee, there's no computable set of aximos in first-order logic that uniquely defines the natural numbers.
< 1353380169 683469 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty weird.
< 1353380207 702936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what about:
< 1353380225 632638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1. numbers 2. natural"
< 1353380280 940728 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good job, you've successfully broken mathematics.
< 1353380300 818832 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This will cause the world to explode in 1,000 days.
< 1353380326 856719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how bout them natural numbers, eh? ain't no computable set of axioms what can uniquely define them
< 1353380372 291975 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, right?
< 1353380374 201566 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sure is weird.
< 1353380398 861551 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes me want to, like, postulate two hypothetical non-isomorphic standard models of the natural numbers.
< 1353380460 871054 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's do that now.  Let Na be a model of the natural numbers in which Goldbach's conjecture is false, and Nb be a model of the natural numbers in which Goldbach's conjecture is true.
< 1353380466 898109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not in first order logic
< 1353380501 556846 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in Na, there exists a natural number (call it g) that cannot be written as the sum of two primes.  But in Nb, there is no such natural numbers.
< 1353380518 753084 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does g also exist in Nb?  If so, then Nb must have some prime numbers that are absent from Na, right?
< 1353380529 575296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Goldbach's conjecture undecidable? Does it depend on models of natural numbers?
< 1353380544 862007 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes if and only if yes.
< 1353380549 70921 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Respectively.
< 1353380571 35032 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it doesn't make much sense to say that Na and Nb both contain g, but Nb contains numbers smaller than g that Na does not contain.
< 1353380575 69740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, but other than that it mean you don't know?
< 1353380583 159397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's really crazy is that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadwiger%E2%80%93Nelson_problem might depend on set theoretic axioms
< 1353380597 167840 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ...I think that's right.
< 1353380631 157507 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what does make sense to me is to say that Na contains all the numbers that Nb contains, and then some.
< 1353380637 661121 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen
< 1353380653 422602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there really different models of natural numbers which are not equivalent?
< 1353380677 488831 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, it depends on what you mean by "models of natural numbers", exactly.  If you mean "models of the first-order Peano axioms", then yes, certainly.
< 1353380677 932398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think:   data Natural = Zero | Succ !Natural;
< 1353380700 96562 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a set of first-order axioms, though; that's a Haskell statement.
< 1353380740 959142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. But I thought it is equivalent?
< 1353380742 236236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ⊥ :: Natural
< 1353380770 466887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :COLON HYPHEN-MINUS LEFT PARENTHESIS?????
< 1353380807 213445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you ignore bottom, I mean.
< 1353380813 82176 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I dunno, that's not so crazy to me.  In the past, the real numbers used to seem ill-defined to me.  Then I learned how they were defined, but they still seemed all iffy and abstract.
< 1353380832 415888 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, yeah, that's kind of what the problem is.  How do you say "ignore bottom" in first-order logic?
< 1353380948 564527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :real numbers is hax
< 1353380961 484604 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so Nb is a model of the natural numbers containing a counterexample to Goldbach's conjecture.  Na is a model containing no such thing.  We're also postulating that Nb is a supermodel of Na.
< 1353380972 229008 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say that a "nubber" is a number that's in Nb, but not in Na.
< 1353380999 930521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :R is just P(N)
< 1353381013 591890 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a "namber" is one that's in Na.  Aye?
< 1353381025 455396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a hyphen? or is it a minus? only your wallet knows for sure.
< 1353381050 734719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"don't believe the hype hen"
< 1353381062 353126 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the nambers are closed under addition, right?  And multiplication, I think... exponentiation I'm not sure about.
< 1353381068 920202 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :double_facepalm.jpg
< 1353381071 715810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: by "standard models" did you mean "non-standard models" above?
< 1353381088 906987 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nope.
< 1353381093 231442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can they both be standard?
< 1353381096 342551 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was kind of going for multiple standard models.
< 1353381108 854492 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, how do you define "standard" here?
< 1353381112 217028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh because we're talking about two different universes, with different results for t he goldbach conjecture
< 1353381118 424570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the "standard" model in each one
< 1353381124 142714 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds right.
< 1353381132 732962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not thought that goldbach is actually independent of axioms, ja?
< 1353381157 948093 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems perfectly plausible that it is.
< 1353381184 241556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how to even think about the plausibility of that statement
< 1353381189 600336 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway please do proceed with your original train of thought
< 1353381204 137381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRAAAAAIN
< 1353381207 424403 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, does Goldbach's conjecture seem like it's probably decidable to you?
< 1353381211 895173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I thought, natural numbers is just zero and successor? Therefore how can there be different models following this specification which are different Goldbach's? Since you can define addition, multiplication, etc, using finite numbers. Using something like Typographical Number Theory that might not be the case though, but if you define like zero and successor instead it seem.
< 1353381212 299440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sea dot sea
< 1353381213 922832 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's independent of the axioms if and only if it's undecidable.
< 1353381249 576091 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "just zero and successor" isn't a set of first-order axioms, either.
< 1353381292 676202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should come back to #cslounge!
< 1353381329 922839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Well, yes, "just zero and successor" is like the Haskell statement I mentioned above, instead. Therefore, do you need a set of first-order axioms which means this specifically?
< 1353381330 278706 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first-order Peano axioms are a set of first-order axioms.  They're infinite, but they're also a computable set.
< 1353381353 308964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: like a thief in the night
< 1353381376 173105 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, I'm *talking about* sets of first-order axioms.
< 1353381390 625075 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you want to talk about the same thing that I'm talking about, then yes, you need a set of first-order axioms.
< 1353381455 22695 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate politeness.
< 1353381471 601950 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes it impossible to ask someone "Hey, does this site work well for you" and actually get useful info
< 1353381517 442664 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett TOPIC #esoteric :E_TOPTOOOLD | the good news is, /usr/bin/make-loud-noises works. the bad news is, I think I just woke everyone up. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1353381546 634578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do
< 1353381584 812462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what, you want to test?
< 1353381659 667974 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Wikipedia "Peano axioms", if you just use 2,3,4,5 for eqality, and then you should define it. Is the zero and successor can be made the axioms from that? Due to such things as induction and so on, possibly not... and, is it infinite? They list nine axioms.
< 1353381688 921073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/bin/make-loud-noises
< 1353381701 620871 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're axiom schema, aren't they
< 1353381721 456634 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: axiom 9 is stated twice.  First, it's stated as a second-order axiom, not a first-order axiom; second, it's stated as an infinite axiom schema.
< 1353381779 399127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it is an axiom schema. Now I can understand.
< 1353381806 501046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TNT has induction as a rule rather than axiom.
< 1353381889 89401 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also say "if there is a proof that starts from just these axioms and derives a contradiction such as 0 = 1, then the axioms are inconsistent, and don't define anything" but, if there would be such thing even if you omit axiom 7 or axiom 3, does it define anything?
< 1353381907 529120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In particular, he gained international notoriety for his claims that blowing up the Moon would solve virtually every problem of human existence"
< 1353381942 91848 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1353381954 811370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Abian
< 1353381972 279412 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: uhh, let me rephrase your question, and you can tell me if I rephrased it correctly.
< 1353382010 714107 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Suppose that, if you remove axioms from the Peano axioms, you can get an inconsistent system.  Then are the Peano axioms inconsistent?"
< 1353382021 901697 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Abian said that "Those critics who say 'Dismiss Abian's ideas' are very close to those who dismissed Galileo."» usenet has the best cranks.
< 1353382093 98134 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: No. That is not what I meant. I meant that if you have 0=1 it seem would be to contradict the axioms I specified. So, if it is inconsistent, and then does that make it not inconsistent?
< 1353382139 572014 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you mean by "the axioms [you specified]", nor by the "it" in "if it is inconsistent", nor the "it" in "does that make it not inconsistent".
< 1353382155 640587 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ specified]/] specified/
< 1353382190 675828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why would he say such things? Perhaps if they destroy humans it would solve that problem, if destroying the moon would have such effect, but still it won't help since it would mess up everything else too. Best way is allow planets to move how they do, to keep the solar system in order.
< 1353382217 88380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I mean axiom 3 and 7, I mean if you have 0=1 even if removing one of those two axioms.
< 1353382221 346542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 makes a good point
< 1353382248 311414 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: so, looking at tennenbaum's theorem... could you have an uncountable model of peano with computable arithmetic?
< 1353382261 727492 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, sorry, I don't understand what you said, and I don't understand your attempts to get me to understand what you said.
< 1353382276 123263 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no.
< 1353382283 186772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Oops, sorry!!!!
< 1353382290 374137 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1353382290 926212 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: er, wait.  Hm.
< 1353382325 71262 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Tennenbaum's theorem said that no nonstandard model of Peano arithmetic can be recursive; it actually says that no *countable* nonstandard model of Peano arithmetic can be recursive.
< 1353382363 30407 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I was referring to, yeah.
< 1353382379 292800 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well, the thing is, I don't think "computable" makes sense as a property of uncountable sets.  We only speak of the computability of a set of it contains only finite strings, I think.  And no uncountable set contains only finite strings.
< 1353382429 815392 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's why I said computable arithmetic instead of computable set.
< 1353382492 833524 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Computable function" can be defined as "function that, when considered as a set, is a computable set".
< 1353382516 931409 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "computable arithmetic" presumably means "collection of arithmetic functions, each of which is a computable function".
< 1353382578 65161 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no models with computably dealt with nonstandard numbers, then
< 1353382847 171611 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that sounds true.
< 1353383526 274039 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know there's no computable set of axioms in first-order logic that uniquely identifies when tswett will shut up about there being no computable set of axioms in first-order logic that can uniquely define the natural numbers
< 1353383573 647926 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will shut up about it after a non-standard amount of time.
< 1353383596 662846 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about right now
< 1353383602 596347 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. in the past????
< 1353383613 386147 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either works
< 1353383629 983539 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, it's only been 23 seconds.  23 is a standard number.
< 1353383639 320003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about eleventeen
< 1353383649 210961 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure.
< 1353383671 576254 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you give me a first-order formula defining eleventeen?
< 1353384035 607728 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 = succ succ succ succ succ succ succ succ succ succ succ 0
< 1353384053 630313 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> succ succ succ succ succ succ succ succ succ succ succ 0
< 1353384055 549760 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instances for (GHC.Enum.Enum
< 1353384055 846491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                     ((((((((((a0 -> a0) ->...
< 1353384058 745444 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353384066 926914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know there's no computable set of axioms in first-order logic that uniquely identifies what will make tswett shut up about there being no computable set of axioms in first-order logic that can uniquely define the natural numbers
< 1353384087 727079 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sorry, I was away for a bit...  also my local time should really be PDT but I kind of forgot how to set it on this linux box
< 1353384175 500474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/[something] /etc/localtime usually
< 1353384200 396065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :might also be able to do "timedatectl list-timezones" then "timedatectl set-timezone "
< 1353384229 740328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though daylight savings time should be handled automatically if you have stuff set up properly
< 1353384251 503882 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln: creating symbolic link `/etc/localtime': File exists
< 1353384255 263287 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I remove it?
< 1353384264 979373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends, what does ls -l /etc/localtime give
< 1353384276 561242 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm
< 1353384278 110093 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls -l /etc/localtime
< 1353384278 255456 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 118 Jul 27 16:39 /etc/localtime
< 1353384282 658664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1353384289 731246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then
< 1353384290 11345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353384295 91818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that should be a symlink :P
< 1353384309 328179 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have botched it at some point <_>
< 1353384324 807473 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln -sf /usr/share/America/Los_Angeles /etc/localtime ;# no?
< 1353384341 803711 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay it worked
< 1353384345 256436 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:05 < Fiora> yay it worked
< 1353384366 69275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: i doubt it is /usr/share/America
< 1353384377 716707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes [something] = America/Los_Angeles in my line I think
< 1353384386 2478 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, it was that
< 1353384387 166236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you might have to reboot for this to work or at least restart programs you care about
< 1353384396 425610 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRSSI seems to have taken instantly!
< 1353384428 476148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huray
< 1353384444 125215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this calls for celebration. should welcome some pepole
< 1353384448 188502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pepole
< 1353384478 168966 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peepol
< 1353384488 397612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on debian: dpkg-reconfigure tzdata
< 1353384507 888186 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using an amazon micro instance so I'm stuck with yum 
< 1353384513 312537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1353384516 940454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fedora? ew
< 1353384522 451854 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it worked so I'm not going to fuss with it anymore
< 1353384532 709996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am irssi'ing from an ubuntu server ec2 micro instance right now
< 1353384540 312833 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder why you got stuck with fedora
< 1353384567 970485 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the free tier on amazon only let you use their install I think?
< 1353384572 948001 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it was when I set this thing up
< 1353384577 30472 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I might be wrong 
< 1353384581 429980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do EC2 instances cost reasonable amounts of money yet
< 1353384586 161471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that has changed
< 1353384591 987215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my micro instance is free for a year :D
< 1353384594 537633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in general 'no'
< 1353384603 419901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it is reasonable if you actually need fancy dynamic scaling
< 1353384605 367897 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just use my free micro as an IRC bouncer thing for my irssi
< 1353384607 108450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's a reasonable fee for that
< 1353384624 166852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of their users are not that, they're just startups with too much money who don't think of traditional dedicated hosting
< 1353384627 148547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION guilty
< 1353384648 476045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i run irssi on ec2 and connect to it with mosh
< 1353384650 357568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty sweet
< 1353384673 829773 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh?
< 1353384679 909547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mosh.mit.edu/
< 1353384685 550853 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh
< 1353384695 599782 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a windows client?  I use putty right now
< 1353384695 750552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: how much are the mosh people paying you
< 1353384700 832916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nothing
< 1353384707 302708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have done some development for mosh though
< 1353384708 729647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should get a raise!!
< 1353384712 402349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just an open source project at mit
< 1353384713 657962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know rite
< 1353384719 281496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: there is an experimental cygwin port
< 1353384719 427051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what mosh is kmc
< 1353384753 534832 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, they actually have it inside the cygwin packagemanager
< 1353384776 407329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin is not the most elegant solution here but nobody has really come forward to do the work for a native windows port
< 1353384781 17439 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, now it's deciding it has to upgrade my entire cygwin installation
< 1353384788 229647 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably good to do that anyways.
< 1353384791 311662 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: XD
< 1353384795 154571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1353384809 755054 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, I'm guessing I'd have to install a server on my amazon ec2 instance?
< 1353384834 344494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's in fedora
< 1353384838 232465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just install the mosh package on the server
< 1353384843 140454 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>No package mosh available.
< 1353384844 571454 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep
< 1353384847 560450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, might be too old
< 1353384865 72106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it's fairly easy to compile mosh yourself
< 1353384869 967526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you don't need to set up a daemon or anything
< 1353384874 124488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the dependencies should be in fedora
< 1353384909 714340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey cool netbsd is on there now
< 1353384937 359876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh toaster
< 1353384940 256026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353384978 363456 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-23.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353384983 672048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :moaster
< 1353385000 433091 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no it doesn't have protobuf either :<
< 1353385023 860407 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh wildly following dependency chains manually
< 1353385031 806634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's odd
< 1353385058 58278 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check
< 1353385061 372735 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhhhh
< 1353385087 137196 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1353385092 601690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you not have a compiler toolchain installed or something
< 1353385099 960750 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... oh.   I had gcc but not g++
< 1353385104 404980 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing had needed g++ yet so I didn't notice
< 1353385116 830785 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the configure script somehow got past that check without noticing it was missing I think <_<
< 1353385121 10633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice error for it
< 1353385142 643374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nice rant on the mosh issue tracker "I tried using Mosh for the connection persistence, and nothing I read prior to using it gave me a clear indication that it was anything but an ordinary shell with an improved transport. When Mosh discarded some important output I had no idea what was going on, and I wasted a few days (calendar time, several hours actual troubleshooting time) looking at everything else because it didn't occur to me that a 
< 1353385142 788968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tool for persistent connections and better latency would also throw away my data. After that, I can't trust you, not because the way Mosh works is unreasonable, but because the way it is described fails to convey that you can't count on receiving the complete output of any command."
< 1353385146 659701 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuuuup that was it
< 1353385149 777834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they are complaining because mosh doesn't have scrollback)
< 1353385170 8402 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay now to compile on a 1-core 1ghz virtual server thing -_-
< 1353385189 385262 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Important output
< 1353385193 183771 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :over remote shell
< 1353385197 863663 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet
< 1353385210 322989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: hey i'm using a 1.33 ghz laptop thing
< 1353385210 486030 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In scrollback.
< 1353385211 585049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it works"
< 1353385215 241272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sort of"
< 1353385233 118703 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what he said
< 1353385236 356042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it would honestly be faster to compile some things by scping them over to my server
< 1353385237 331005 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm spoiled with my laptop okay >_>
< 1353385237 899202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling them there
< 1353385240 275148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then downloading the binaries
< 1353385246 974260 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is memory that's faster than that CPU
< 1353385256 835745 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I had that experience once when I had to play with an, um... I think it was a 600mhz arm
< 1353385260 600310 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Doubtful.
< 1353385262 473729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i saw that
< 1353385278 862763 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: The memory bus speed might be 1.33GHz, but the RAM's internal clock is at 200MHz.
< 1353385285 989331 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As has been the norm for a decade now.
< 1353385352 163915 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just feels weird to like, compile on something 20 times slower than my computer
< 1353385401 491392 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try using qemu sometime.
< 1353385453 228838 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1353385494 864051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: PDT?
< 1353385498 419837 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-23.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1353385507 753790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think they used that anywhere, this time of year.
< 1353385515 613315 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: America/Los_Angeles . :)
< 1353385530 309700 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zoneinfo time zone naming is so much better.
< 1353385530 766069 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay PST I guess ^^;;
< 1353385532 862623 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always forget which is which
< 1353385533 572089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :PST!
< 1353385536 731557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the time zone to be in!
< 1353385538 961777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime
< 1353385542 90621 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for shachaf is Mon Nov 19 20:25:39 2012
< 1353385545 954885 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime
< 1353385551 105124 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Fiora is Mon Nov 19 20:25:46 2012
< 1353385557 259524 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daylight time sucks.
< 1353385560 730603 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it just use dcc, or what
< 1353385562 477889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Hmm, looks like you're 7 seconds ahead of me.
< 1353385568 85689 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the message came later
< 1353385569 767257 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lives basically on the MST meridian!
< 1353385571 800202 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime
< 1353385576 280843 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for pikhq_ is Mon Nov 19 21:26:12 2012
< 1353385587 741927 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the 7 seconds is just the gap between them...?
< 1353385590 293700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really like zoneinfo naming
< 1353385594 654887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :singles out single areas weirdly
< 1353385595 292451 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that is The Joke, fiora.
< 1353385602 755501 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... oh <_>  sorry
< 1353385612 948805 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's saner than any other timezone naming scheme I've seen though.
< 1353385614 813651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you noticed your eyes are pointing away from each other
< 1353385626 830403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: well UTC+n and UTC-n are pretty good
< 1353385628 550574 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than, of course, constant offsets from UTC, but that requires saner *time zones* in the first place.
< 1353385632 885407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Are you also in PST?
< 1353385637 932691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC+0(1)
< 1353385642 442850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :San Francisco is The Place To Be, as you know.
< 1353385655 353167 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Doesn't tell enough *at all*.
< 1353385669 313288 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: rather far from LA, but yes
< 1353385675 671766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi should foo :: Fol.Foldable f => f a -> [a]; foo = ($ []) . appEndo . Fol.foldMap (\x -> Endo (x:)) be a function
< 1353385680 614417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ☝☝☝☝☝☝☝☝
< 1353385687 84649 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1353385689 2059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1353385702 151886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I was in LA once!
< 1353385706 216590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you mean Los Angeles.
< 1353385707 869748 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's appEndo?  applicative endomorphism
< 1353385708 15306 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: To give you an idea: the state of Indiana has *11* different zoneinfo entries.
< 1353385710 355480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Louisiana.
< 1353385712 756004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Los Alamos.
< 1353385713 998298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but indiana doesn't exist
< 1353385719 108055 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf i need some "lens help"
< 1353385721 994926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Laos?
< 1353385729 143026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: newtype Endo a = Endo { appEndo :: a -> a }
< 1353385730 982233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: uh oh
< 1353385732 389979 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sory i cant go through with this joke
< 1353385735 623257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. appEndo :: Endo a -> (a -> a)
< 1353385739 265442 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if laos has ever been called LA in the history of the universe
< 1353385739 560489 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott can you finish it
< 1353385742 622012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no
< 1353385743 590342 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do it
< 1353385743 736615 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :deliver the punchline
< 1353385746 687360 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1353385747 310631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to
< 1353385749 102330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its your duty
< 1353385762 105698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do it
< 1353385762 251435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well laos is .la isn't it
< 1353385765 942734 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that tld is used for los angeles!
< 1353385767 254616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff
< 1353385769 286711 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wrongly)
< 1353385779 26068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: help what are you doing in laos
< 1353385791 25665 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i m sory i cant
< 1353385794 733300 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm south of LA, not in laos
< 1353385795 243002 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the delivery is wack
< 1353385795 423176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i believe in you
< 1353385802 792752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was south of LA!
< 1353385805 946904 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of instintively hate cctlds though, so I refuse to acknowledge their existence, sorry about that
< 1353385806 104862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to San Diego.
< 1353385828 82102 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've been in LA a couple times, roasting on the asphalt gridlock probably
< 1353385830 903787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like cctlds much
< 1353385831 400206 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like daylight saving time. Also, the time zones is not designed best but I don't know what is best. One way is using precise time zones using same hours/minutes/second as the angle.
< 1353385854 503193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 has a plan to redesign time zones?
< 1353385855 983855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you can do it
< 1353385861 471007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "took me by surprise"
< 1353385874 481615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(When the (sidereal) hour is angle, 1 hour = 15 degrees, which is used to measure right ascensions and hour angles.)
< 1353385882 333811 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but how!!!
< 1353385885 78366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do it
< 1353385886 713593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, solar time is not exactly like UTC it is only by average.
< 1353385890 923043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: use "your creativity"
< 1353385891 996833 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can you do it for me
< 1353385906 391571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no monqy
< 1353385914 566112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there comes a time in every monqys life
< 1353385921 82244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when that monqy must finish their own jokes
< 1353385941 793645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: for once in my life i'm gonna have to agree with shachaf
< 1353385951 322275 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: im sorry its up to you now. search for "the joke" on the Lens documentation at http://tedlab.mit.edu/~dr/Lens/ using the Lens documention's Search It feature
< 1353385962 628241 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: im sorry
< 1353385969 780098 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I don't have plan to redesign time zones. I just have some ideas having to do with time zones.
< 1353385977 87879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help whats a search.php
< 1353385991 366319 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: surprise you got joked
< 1353386003 616220 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo look at search.php's contents
< 1353386008 264433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that was a pretty bad delivery monqy
< 1353386011 949182 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it includes the shell command executed to do the search"
< 1353386013 833460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you screwed up your one chance to make that joke
< 1353386024 263166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :phphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphphp
< 1353386024 447930 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i told you i couldnt do it!!!!
< 1353386030 473484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you didn't even include the fact that you are personally using lens currently!!
< 1353386037 89083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sorry monqy its just not good enough
< 1353386037 623897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave
< 1353386039 934779 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the joke is im using this thing
< 1353386040 734637 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it... downloads the php
< 1353386042 983728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave
< 1353386043 509500 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this real
< 1353386049 952479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρηρη
< 1353386069 793458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: its not optional. this is your penance
< 1353386081 480163 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :may i asked to be kicked
< 1353386084 256577 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what shachaf would do
< 1353386087 545988 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you agree with shachaf right
< 1353386130 4770 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: RHR?
< 1353386144 504169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no
< 1353386150 453238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i dont want to get kicked!!
< 1353386155 92121 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you disagree with shachaf right
< 1353386156 123624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont "spread rumours" monqy
< 1353386197 12474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: help
< 1353386204 451245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "i really cant figure out this lens issue"
< 1353386222 459525 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ooh ooh can i make the joke now
< 1353386224 8346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "maybe its because i spend all my time complaining about it instead of thinking about it"
< 1353386244 928552 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :search the lens document for "the issue". i am using this software.
< 1353386249 900227 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did i do it good
< 1353386252 739043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no sorry
< 1353386254 641935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please
< 1353386258 106500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :leave before you embarrass yourself further
< 1353386259 867357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for a minute
< 1353386262 362945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody is crying
< 1353386263 772524 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refuse
< 1353386264 489786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: dont leave
< 1353386270 464223 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now im conflicted
< 1353386270 947249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: we all love you monqy
< 1353386276 258096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy
< 1353386277 943472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :♥ monqy
< 1353386281 593007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :♥onqy
< 1353386282 786763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this wont be tolerated
< 1353386292 740761 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make me not tolerate it!!!!
< 1353386295 698772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353386296 738031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im doing it
< 1353386302 162885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im focusing my hatred
< 1353386311 453761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: "should i read that book"
< 1353386322 54841 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1353386329 515908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Concrete Mathematics_
< 1353386351 430141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard it's good.
< 1353386360 563254 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1353386371 301947 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353386374 137224 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah!
< 1353386400 944453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hawaii did experiment with DST for three weeks between April 30, 1933 and May 21, 1933; there is no known official record as to why it was implemented or discontinued.[18][unreliable source?] Hawaii has never observed daylight saving time under the Uniform Time Act, having opted out of the Act's provisions in 1967.[19]
< 1353386403 244066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell monqy you can come back now
< 1353386403 669642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1353386411 652980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: You read it?
< 1353386420 251036 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1353386497 352353 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, kmc, I installed protobuf from source (just configure and sudo make install...?) but mosh says it can't find it
< 1353386509 723872 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"package protobuf was not found in the pkg-config search path"
< 1353386599 571982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: What distribution-thing are you using?
< 1353386608 39884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recommends strace
< 1353386613 830353 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the amazon ec2 fedora thing
< 1353386633 400351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION randomly wonders whether `ldconfig` will fix it.
< 1353386642 726213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's an issue of paths and /usr/local/?
< 1353386650 709901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not install protobuf from a package?
< 1353386659 81796 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the system doesn't seem to have it as a package :<
< 1353386659 427020 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :RHR Hypertext... Rearranger?
< 1353386741 293785 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can try rebuilding it and stuffing it in /usr...
< 1353386765 409813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, don't do that!
< 1353386772 932376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know how pkg-config finds things.
< 1353386781 178450 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea either >_<
< 1353386784 933160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses uhhh
< 1353386787 262322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PKG_CONFIG_PATH or something
< 1353386790 365008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google fedora protobuf
< 1353386792 264849 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/acls/name/protobuf
< 1353386796 355911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that not exist?
< 1353386803 310994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it is PKG_CONFIG_PATH
< 1353386820 583558 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo yum install protobuf
< 1353386820 793188 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loaded plugins: fastestmirror, priorities, security, update-motd, upgrade-helper
< 1353386823 679175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also did i actually just get monqy to leave
< 1353386824 155114 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile * amzn-main: packages.us-east-1.amazonaws.com
< 1353386826 15318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't want to do that!!
< 1353386827 523262 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : * amzn-updates: packages.us-east-1.amazonaws.com
< 1353386830 76842 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setting up Install Process
< 1353386832 605159 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No package protobuf available.
< 1353386832 965141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "ok but what if that variable is unset"
< 1353386836 423592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Did you search?
< 1353386844 700707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's protobuf-devel or something.
< 1353386849 722462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :libprotobuff
< 1353386851 672618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.$//
< 1353386856 165798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :protoc
< 1353386856 680756 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :search finds no matches
< 1353386863 447806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :protobuf-compiler
< 1353386865 206065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1353386877 40421 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry... bleh I will just keep using putty I guess, this is a hassle
< 1353386887 823095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Maybe #mosh would know.
< 1353386895 768241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well man pkg-config documents what it does when the path isn't empty
< 1353386898 238271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1353386899 751855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is empty
< 1353386933 54214 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back to playing civ and reading wikipedia articles on nuclear isomers
< 1353387053 733725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: You should learn about lenses instead!
< 1353387067 255297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lenses: the nuclear isomers of the 21st century??"
< 1353387068 707000 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I forgot to list my list
< 1353387085 741840 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy isn't here, coppro except I think you're not on the list. List.
< 1353387090 238429 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe metameterial lenses?  those sound kind of cool I think
< 1353387105 809823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: monqy explicitly told you to add Fiora to the list!!
< 1353387108 326804 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they make lenses out of metamaterials now, huh
< 1353387120 958596 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, do you want to be on the list?
< 1353387121 129306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Fiora does not wish to be on the list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
< 1353387126 383718 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "the list"? >_<
< 1353387131 392009 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone keeps talking about it but I don't know what it is
< 1353387140 930231 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should explain
< 1353387156 528069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: You wan't to be on the list.
< 1353387159 978259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i think it is better that way
< 1353387163 903458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's a contraction for "want not".)
< 1353387171 203614 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel is confusing ;-;
< 1353387193 896201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all are
< 1353387195 96134 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to break down in 2 minutes and explain it privately
< 1353387203 859865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Wait, what *is* the list?
< 1353387211 857421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353387217 266062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody needs explanations
< 1353387217 688071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just Homestuck updates or what?
< 1353387220 694467 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just noticed Fiora with the explanation
< 1353387225 457804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no!!!
< 1353387226 986969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're all going to die
< 1353387229 390011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: help i never got an explanation
< 1353387230 210477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brimstone rains from the sky
< 1353387231 458112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it??
< 1353387237 834992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the truth of The List comes to torture us
< 1353387242 233740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heavens fall
< 1353387248 602093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nations collapse
< 1353387249 470092 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ohhh!!  put me on the list then
< 1353387253 609570 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds super useful
< 1353387258 482120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all die in an endless fire of suffering
< 1353387265 242698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you're happy sgeo
< 1353387266 538079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you're happy
< 1353387278 302576 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you could make a list of ways the truth of The List will come to torture us, elliott.
< 1353387298 715861 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funnier to leave shachaf out of the loop. Although cruel. But funny.
< 1353387299 882456 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a list Bike
< 1353387302 758360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't you happy
< 1353387307 987025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my List not good enough
< 1353387315 172427 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is it a list or a List
< 1353387325 21888 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it implement the List interface?
< 1353387326 722906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference
< 1353387338 85751 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, but there is a difference, so it's probably important
< 1353387344 811803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: help are you java :'(
< 1353387352 906754 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, I know a little java but I don't use it much
< 1353387363 825811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use Real Languages
< 1353387370 260950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like m68k assembly
< 1353387375 343911 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um..... do C and x86 assembly count?
< 1353387382 837847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :'(
< 1353387383 595616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only Real Language is TECO
< 1353387391 192004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: or you can use esolangs
< 1353387391 385822 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not nearly swaggerly enough to be a Real Programmer, fiora.  sorry.
< 1353387393 609378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like C++
< 1353387401 105299 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only real language is @
< 1353387404 685756 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ama fake programmer then
< 1353387408 99546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ isn't real, Sgeo
< 1353387414 909692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is a joke
< 1353387420 134523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a joke
< 1353387423 555371 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :complex numbers joke here
< 1353387423 787559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list is a joke
< 1353387425 505376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :your nick is a joke
< 1353387427 506505 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it is if I rotate it 90 degrees!
< 1353387429 83079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you
< 1353387430 249167 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit Bike 
< 1353387433 277283 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION scribbles assembly opcodes on Bike's sleeve
< 1353387441 36330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bad place to put opcodes
< 1353387444 298773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo
< 1353387453 129269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: lets have a low level programming contest
< 1353387458 20823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: how many bytes do you know
< 1353387461 214933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know over 300
< 1353387469 650563 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how big are these bytes
< 1353387472 418751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 bits
< 1353387477 830141 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1353387479 880980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :" octets hth"
< 1353387482 915614 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a boring answer.
< 1353387486 140120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i refuse to say it
< 1353387496 304272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  octets hth
< 1353387499 397749 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :867)  octets hth
< 1353387515 301826 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0-bit bytes are the best bytes.
< 1353387520 115524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 867
< 1353387522 396532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to cry a bit
< 1353387523 957010 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  octets hth
< 1353387524 110368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  `delquote 867
< 1353387527 514659 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :868)  `delquote 867
< 1353387531 883341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1353387534 661079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"race condition??"
< 1353387545 461409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 867
< 1353387548 769771 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1353387552 324464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 868
< 1353387555 688760 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1353387556 692081 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  `delquote 869
< 1353387557 33627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 866
< 1353387560 276753 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :867)  `delquote 869
< 1353387563 482307 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1353387563 627913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`deelquote 867
< 1353387568 508721 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: deelquote: not found
< 1353387570 868532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is dumb stop it
< 1353387571 258117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1
< 1353387574 921557 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1)  I used computational linguistics to kill her.
< 1353387579 513520 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :866)  unfortunately df is not yet able to simulate norway
< 1353387587 579702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 867
< 1353387591 648683 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  `delquote 869
< 1353387599 22599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: "wait one moment did i know you from another channel once"
< 1353387605 364927 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had no idea a quotation system could be this confusing.
< 1353387608 977552 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  `addquote  `addquote 867
< 1353387610 633366 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1353387612 425719 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :867)  `addquote  `addquote 867
< 1353387613 772009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 867
< 1353387616 810634 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job, hackego engineering.  good job
< 1353387617 120344 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  `addquote  `addquote 867
< 1353387620 72919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: "are you from new zealand"
< 1353387629 835780 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  `delquote 867
< 1353387632 863813 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :867)  `delquote 867
< 1353387636 960258 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1353387640 499964 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, no, I am from southern california
< 1353387646 163172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1353387657 808309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once knew someone in another channel whose nick started with F who lived in southern California.
< 1353387661 749078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: can you stop
< 1353387662 412647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 867
< 1353387666 48533 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  `delquote 867
< 1353387666 802633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But moved there from New Zealand or something?
< 1353387680 789839 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was born here...
< 1353387687 463747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was born in Asia!
< 1353387698 802189 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`add​quote  Sgeo: can you stop
< 1353387702 173780 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: add​quote: not found
< 1353387707 523419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Stop it. It's annoying.
< 1353387714 271535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now I live in southern northern California!
< 1353387743 405789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is the point just to annoy me or whatever
< 1353387746 206173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( sorry
< 1353387747 286156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because shachaf already does that a lot better
< 1353387751 274545 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that was a fake addquote
< 1353387760 76695 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think a fake addquote would be annoying
< 1353387766 3802 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353387779 265824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hey, I thought I stopped the annoying thing!
< 1353387788 217515 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353387824 742472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real question: what is annoying
< 1353387827 104321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ ← snail
< 1353387838 719315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is an anaconda that curled itself up
< 1353387864 415238 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it related to python or ASP?
< 1353387899 599091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ isn't related to life
< 1353387974 209281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't have any backups.
< 1353387979 988471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond 1984, beyond 2001, beyond love, beyond death: @
< 1353387981 396589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I get an external hard drive and back up to it?
< 1353388006 249213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should get an internal soft ride or front down from it
< 1353388019 371682 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said, yes
< 1353388025 772170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You mean give?
< 1353388041 288666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ would make a pretty good novel IMO
< 1353388041 434453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah 
< 1353388047 201320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I get an external hard drive or an internal hard drive + a box to put a hard drive in?
< 1353388105 934172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't have a strong opinion
< 1353388106 210744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, prices have gone down to pre-flood levels.
< 1353388110 47898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i usually do the latter
< 1353388120 91687 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's more because i have one or the other part lying around already
< 1353388179 659607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should use my $50 Tarsnap credit.
< 1353388516 638506 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Maybe that clown could have helped you understand what you're supposed to do in this empty wasteland, but no, you had better ideas. And all of them were bullets."      caliborning
< 1353388591 127596 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep reading
< 1353388633 183689 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think homestuck is going to collapse from the weight of its own meta
< 1353389742 48296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ikea.com/ca/en/catalog/products/00112432/
< 1353389800 48145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what
< 1353389893 734856 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://www.ikea.com/ca/en/catalog/products/10193197/
< 1353390027 360194 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so interesting about the pasta?
< 1353390057 562379 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is elk-shaped, to remind you of home.
< 1353390077 915262 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is currently eating pasta
< 1353390080 359666 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With ketchup
< 1353390093 939673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: haha
< 1353390097 834772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: gross
< 1353390116 976515 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it suggests i buy it with a "KOLON floor protector"
< 1353390135 404233 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no parmesan cheese. I require parmesan cheese. In the absense of parmesan cheese I use ketchup
< 1353390142 738363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1353390146 586337 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is gross and terrible and bad and you should feel bad
< 1353390181 319486 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :..........
< 1353390184 483259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually tend to eat more when eating it with ketchup
< 1353390193 313783 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“In the absense of parmesan cheese I use ketchup”
< 1353390199 491736 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I…
< 1353390203 575800 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah how does that even make sense
< 1353390205 587015 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But mixing ketchup and parmesan cheese is gross, I've tried it.
< 1353390209 195553 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ketchup a cheese now
< 1353390224 254393 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it's a foodstuff that adds some calories and nutrients.
< 1353390228 902622 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Trust me, that's not just your fnarf.
< 1353390236 410817 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And makes it taste better.
< 1353390237 3023 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It tastes wrong too.
< 1353390243 599336 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any parmesan cheese, so in the absence of parmesan cheese I dump chocolate on it
< 1353390265 832942 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so bad about pasta+ketchup?
< 1353390297 842470 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as of vatican ii it's a valid basis for excommunication, for one
< 1353390334 874650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as was set forth in the famous papal bull "De ketchup nongustabilis"
< 1353390422 701550 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That seems like the kind of thing people would eat in the great depression.
< 1353390430 492018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some heretic sects were using ketchup and pasta instead of wine and bread for the sacrament of the eucharist
< 1353390488 188896 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some friends of mine had a bet to see who could last the longest eating only free condiments from the uni dining hall
< 1353390510 261715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a condiment
< 1353390531 747106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"things like ketchup?"
< 1353390551 42650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353390563 746566 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope Distance gets enough votes in Greenlight. http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=103111305
< 1353390567 295037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds disgusting.
< 1353390581 783457 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I like ketchup+pasta more than parmesan cheese+pasta, but parmesan cheese is probably healthier
< 1353390854 199207 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normal people eat pasta + tomato sauce, right? What's the difference between tomato sauce and ketchup?
< 1353390892 443645 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ketchup is spiced much differently, cooked to a different consistency, much more vinegary, and has lots of sugar.
< 1353390952 221090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird that i didn't notice how sweet ketchup is until someone pointed it out to me
< 1353390955 222682 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but damn
< 1353390972 478523 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's vinegar syrup with a slight tomato theme
< 1353390989 586034 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a sweet and sour sauce.
< 1353391003 626089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i hadn't thought of that, but yes
< 1353391004 545947 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's good. I don't particularly like tomatos, except as part of pizza.
< 1353391027 32952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: seriously though, if you like it, eat it, don't let us tell you that it's gross even though it is
< 1353391038 889998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :taste is so arbitrary
< 1353391046 924927 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is still really gross though)
< 1353391067 219803 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I get more parmesan cheese I'll start using that again
< 1353391081 859590 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although parmesan cheese is really only really really good with shell-shaped pasta
< 1353391092 853410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that
< 1353391094 553124 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :disagree
< 1353391098 189275 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's a nostalgia factor at work here)
< 1353391100 373020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353391101 562934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1353391113 470038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you know what else is sweet?!
< 1353391117 269748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: balsamic vinegar
< 1353391126 346824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with strawberries)
< 1353391128 427616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but also without)
< 1353391133 162199 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In.. pre-k? Kindergarten? We had a bunch of foods with some themes and one of them was "sand and shells"
< 1353391133 335268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the point is, balsamic vinegar)
< 1353391138 47237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote q
< 1353391138 434683 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk says:  is there a haskell client for the quantum random bit generator service?  i was joking that i tend to flip coins as to which project i work on that way at least in
< 1353391138 732267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some universe there is probably a me working on the more interesting one, but it strikes me that it would be nicer to actually have that coin flip hinge on a simpler quantum event
< 1353391144 835979 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Later on, I had my mom make some for me, and I liked it
< 1353391154 485266 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that thing still up?
< 1353391157 7599 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, that's kind of how pasta+parmesan cheese became a staple food for me
< 1353391175 9288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.fourmilab.ch/hotbits/ apparently
< 1353391220 232142 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how many angry emails about what "random" _really_ means they get.
< 1353391428 67411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer pasta with both tomato sauce and parmesan cheese.
< 1353392010 100538 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finish more of my pasta when I put ketchup on it
< 1353392020 516559 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know if that really means I prefer ketchup+pasta or not
< 1353392057 446139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1353392247 449985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey kmc should i go to sleep
< 1353392275 837106 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says: no elliott dont do it
< 1353392282 272271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not kmc
< 1353392294 109838 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says: im kmc
< 1353392339 33537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353392438 255791 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sleep is as optional as food.
< 1353392451 854258 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For some reason, you saying "Food is not optional" is stuck in my mind)
< 1353392467 565732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip a coin
< 1353392484 92560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d2
< 1353392484 371589 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d2 => 2
< 1353392491 567033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which one was 2 again
< 1353392500 927047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we have to flip a coin for which one 2 meant
< 1353392505 143129 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 1d0
< 1353392505 400660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d0 => 1
< 1353392527 214379 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop it Sgeo
< 1353392567 393172 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not drunk, I don't know why I've been acting weird
< 1353392728 237192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@dice 139d384
< 1353392728 668082 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :139d384 => 30003
< 1353392795 624056 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have played Dungeons&Dragons game today. I am recording it at this time.
< 1353392884 172848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1353393004 634245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you weird in general?
< 1353393542 567502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1353393563 125049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for what?
< 1353393615 220975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the question
< 1353393826 415824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some audio chips interleave the channel output instead of mixed. There are also some with nonlinear mixing. Such thing may be use in musics made with Csound and so on for special effects?
< 1353395044 603896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another special effect I may want to use is posterize, and perhaps, solarize. These thing could be done probably with UDO or with plugins.
< 1353395113 71624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be any musics with Proce esolang?
< 1353396243 701314 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wearing the same shirt ANdy is. I feel 300 times more awesome now.
< 1353396249 13808 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1353396259 924232 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was an accidental middle-click)
< 1353396297 346315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hi
< 1353396308 792813 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1353396324 793995 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote FireFly
< 1353396328 515902 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :17)  Meh  ._. \ 62) * oerjan swats FireFly since he's easier to hit -----###   Meh  * FireFly dies
< 1353396343 482887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, 17? 62?
< 1353396344 792984 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, boring quotes
< 1353396349 338736 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've no clue
< 1353396352 711592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: How long have you been around here?
< 1353396380 898607 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember, but not *that* long, I don't think
< 1353396383 307126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ages
< 1353396444 793821 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first edit on the wiki was 19 dec 2008
< 1353396454 403512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help whats a 2008
< 1353396459 596229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :was i even laive??
< 1353396517 342559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2009-01-10 23:41:13] ... FireFly [n=FireFly@1-1-3-36a.tul.sth.bostream.se] has joined #esoteric
< 1353396525 309380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though my logs do have gaps.)
< 1353396559 801916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was my first join
< 1353396565 202864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it: 2012
< 1353396569 445444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nov
< 1353396570 535770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :18
< 1353396572 275084 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's hardly long compared to the age of the channel though
< 1353396588 651544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly long compared to the age of the UNIVERSE!!!!!!
< 1353396596 419520 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also true
< 1353396597 31524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "oops i just got FireFly"
< 1353396627 759807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2008-06-21 23:41:06] ... shachaf [n=shachaf@66.17.178.32] has joined #esoteric
< 1353396641 643164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa dude really
< 1353396652 594745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: HOW'S THAT, huh
< 1353396696 513684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you did not say anything and disappeared at some point during June 2008, since there are no more mentions pre-2011-01-04.
< 1353396765 451837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really?
< 1353396906 473921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what my logs look like, at least.
< 1353396914 525339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, wait, I had a | head in there.
< 1353396938 505351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that explains why it ended so abruptly.
< 1353396970 8914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did shachaf say things in 2008
< 1353396970 154353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even without the | head I don't see any actual comments.
< 1353396976 524062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2008-06-27 20:03:07] < tusho> AAA_AAA ais523 AnMaster atsampson augur bsmntbombdood cctoide cherez clog Corun Deewiant Dewi fizzie ihope Ilari jamesstanley Judofyr lament lifthras1ir mtve oklopol Polar puzzlet RodgerTheGreat sebbu sekhmet Sgeo shachaf SimonRC Slereah_ timotiis tusho
< 1353396982 18908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2008-09-04 09:19:48] ... shachaf [n=shachaf@66.17.178.32] has quit [Remote closed the connection]
< 1353396985 515554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about it.
< 1353396989 562154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1353396990 568126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are several other joins and parts and netsplits.
< 1353396994 66125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are secret ip addresses
< 1353397014 247808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your computer is broadcasting an IP address! 
< 1353397026 597240 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :lern2dhcp
< 1353397270 749676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FKGWFoIjvw
< 1353397328 336568 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1353398869 445699 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353398974 900175 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353398984 957180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to scry the king now I know his favorite color!
< 1353399050 71896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is it gray
< 1353399052 2164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or grey
< 1353399057 821392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this is important"
< 1353399104 378238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I wrote it in "level20.tex" file recording this Dungeons&Dragons game, and I found out, it is purple.
< 1353399120 695448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not because the king said so, but because the royal wizard said so.
< 1353399134 625937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"256 shades of gray", a book about the encoding of grayscale JPEG images.
< 1353399156 867486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: are you the royal wizard
< 1353399158 915444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to confirm, if it is who it says it is, when I used a psychic communication link, but he doesn't know me so we have to ask wizard in that way.
< 1353399163 593241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No.
< 1353399296 75102 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353399315 262196 :aloril_!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1353399372 739941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: welqome baq
< 1353399380 733303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome monqy
< 1353399385 547336 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1353399392 333644 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1353399425 552307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You see in the recording story file, who it is! Even I don't know their name, though.
< 1353399472 854297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I bet you feel like figuring out taking for me.
< 1353399506 106640 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking?
< 1353399506 295704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the #esoteric "welcome bag" contain? 
< 1353399541 27081 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1353399643 102891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck derivatives
< 1353399680 962827 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my welcome bag was being asked what my purpose here was......................................this was when i first(second?(third?)) joined
< 1353399693 24979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty taking
< 1353399694 558449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => Int -> SimpleLensLike (Control.Lens.Internal.Indexing f) s a -> SimpleLensLike f s a
< 1353399709 981108 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should read up on these fancy lens things some day
< 1353399719 968664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, FireFly.
< 1353399721 292093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should.
< 1353399725 852489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Do you use Haskell?
< 1353399732 501271 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but not now
< 1353399734 235155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your `welcome home`::::
< 1353399737 36760 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pays attention to the lecture instead
< 1353399737 921573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix taking
< 1353399742 68766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime FireFly
< 1353399742 930441 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for FireFly is Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:22:22 +0100
< 1353399795 649549 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: one of my programming classes in college used it and I wrote some things in it (like a simple compiler and some stuff?) but I'm really not that good at it
< 1353399801 919508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome monqy
< 1353399806 710228 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1353399807 647387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: just in case you didn't feel welcome after ~2 yeras.
< 1353399809 86474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*years
< 1353399820 162776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw i've never been `welcomed
< 1353399825 966773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo elliott should `welcome me
< 1353399837 361406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i think the current state of shachaf never having been `welcomed is perfect
< 1353399850 670637 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how mean
< 1353399855 161319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all in favour say `eye`
< 1353399882 204395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: should elliott welcome me
< 1353399905 277750 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really need welcoming
< 1353399924 126184 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. do you really need welcoming
< 1353399930 236238 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. do you really need welcoming
< 1353399944 174357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes to the first and third one
< 1353399949 605157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about the second
< 1353399966 589641 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 2 more but "i'm sure you can figure them out"
< 1353399995 519510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you forgot one
< 1353400001 527038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. do you really need welcoming
< 1353400006 703730 :intok!~junko@h69-131-103-215.nwblwi.broadband.dynamic.tds.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353400021 364227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you forgot some more
< 1353400030 34337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like do you really need welcoming
< 1353400030 836982 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I did think it was really interesting though, I loved the typing and type inference and stuff
< 1353400038 8421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. do you really need welcoming
< 1353400043 560349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. do you really need welcoming
< 1353400049 891766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"combinatorics"
< 1353400054 921346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"except not really"
< 1353400059 563179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sort of"
< 1353400061 885510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"power set??"
< 1353400067 363260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: It's great!
< 1353400074 444381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want a Haskell puzzle that I can't figure out?
< 1353400075 670598 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is too many and overwhelming :'(
< 1353400079 641353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note: No one else is figuring it out either.
< 1353400081 927447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :even monqy
< 1353400088 376332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy the super genious??
< 1353400089 415437 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353400089 626059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: dont do it
< 1353400092 298049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant figure it out
< 1353400095 497411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is just trying to get you to do work for free
< 1353400103 187257 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really I don't think I'd have any hope here, I haven't used the language in like 2 years ^^;;
< 1353400106 704323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: ill pay you in eternal gratitude
< 1353400107 628706 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw is Fiora on Sgeo's list yet
< 1353400118 195898 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I am?
< 1353400120 234738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: You want eternal gratitude, right?
< 1353400121 913009 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good good
< 1353400136 927524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Eternal gratitude expires in 12 months unless you earn more gratitude.)
< 1353400169 32960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(earning my gratitude is easy!)
< 1353400173 864403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: "imo say yes"
< 1353400197 23870 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Sgeo's list?
< 1353400208 97176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: did you know this channel evaluates haskell
< 1353400219 194611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: sgeo explained the list to fiora.
< 1353400219 881617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 1 : 1 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs)
< 1353400221 586902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the mystery is gone
< 1353400221 732389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fibs = 1 : 1 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs) in fibs
< 1353400221 992107 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  not an expression: `let fibs = 1 : 1 : zipWith (+) fibs (tail fibs)'
< 1353400223 923888 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,1...
< 1353400325 912207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome elliott
< 1353400329 668134 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1353400330 861356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tit for tat plz
< 1353400339 338087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353400341 450866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tit yourself
< 1353400343 923048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tat yourself
< 1353400352 231198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz yourself
< 1353400429 773488 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um, I think I saw people using it like that earlier
< 1353400477 803906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: um, ok
< 1353400490 642576 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can solve haskell puzzles though especially if nobody else can
< 1353400600 583070 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a puzzle it's just a stupid thing shachaf asks people to do and we ignore him
< 1353400615 622726 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure it's interesting if you're into that sort of stuff but
< 1353400626 970732 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont really feel like lenses right now. i feel like Lens
< 1353400648 522453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, does it have to be in Haskell?
< 1353400651 567742 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::innocentface:
< 1353400667 261685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If you can manage to solve it not in Haskell, I'll be surprised.
< 1353400671 769698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to do with types and things.
< 1353400755 879276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but clojure is the perfect language of the month now
< 1353400756 926170 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it tcl
< 1353400782 520331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly a perfect langauge is like a computable set of axioms that uniquely defines the natural numbers
< 1353400787 911295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ain't exist
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< 1353403567 849014 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
< 1353404758 440292 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a math puzzle i can't solve
< 1353404765 281307 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: no one else is figuring it out either.
< 1353404773 46354 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :interested?
< 1353404823 894724 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be pretty surprised if you were able to solve it not with math
< 1353404830 935971 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to do with numbers and stuff.
< 1353404865 659141 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or topology and zorn's lemma and cantor-bendixon derivatives and stuff, but i hear everything is numb3rs.
< 1353404925 462059 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :010101101010100
< 1353404929 77936 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :01010110101010100100101010101010100
< 1353404932 522502 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :010101101010101000101010101111
< 1353404936 509698 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :010100010100101010101010101000101011
< 1353404938 697772 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :01011010001011010101
< 1353404941 278620 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :010101101010101010100101
< 1353404946 924773 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :101010100101010101010010101010111001110001010111
< 1353404949 30105 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :01010110101010101010
< 1353404955 532584 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ there i got you started
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< 1353408542 870325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Phantom_Hoover
< 1353408545 995426 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1353408554 580165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks shachaf 
< 1353408569 54475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no problem Phantom_Hoover
< 1353408577 330056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"welcome to bfderivativecentral"
< 1353408583 278775 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i invented a language, does anyone want to help me imrpove it
< 1353408605 894995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it involve bricks or brains
< 1353408610 905754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"say yes"
< 1353408696 484042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well its a programming language based on math
< 1353408738 598168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 766
< 1353408742 359049 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :766)  Sgeo: I used to have strict requirements for when I said hi but then everyone started saying hi and it all got weird
< 1353408744 946743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 767
< 1353408749 124659 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :767)  I don't know which version of Linux kernel I'm using atm   Hang on   I'm on Windows
< 1353408749 930016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 866
< 1353408753 382211 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :866)  unfortunately df is not yet able to simulate norway
< 1353408754 763573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 867
< 1353408758 873496 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1353408763 263122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 10000
< 1353408767 190795 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1353408769 652953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 2 variables, p and t
< 1353408786 127691 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is an impostor and you have to figure out which
< 1353408797 804896 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let t=t+1 increments t, let t=t-1 decrements t
< 1353408801 404568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I remember that movie!
< 1353408816 661229 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a molydeux-type twitter feed with esolang ideas.
< 1353408827 62066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let p=p+1 makes t refer to the next cell on the tape
< 1353408832 496626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :likewise for -
< 1353408852 84223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed prints the current t
< 1353408867 445215 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemma sets t to the input
< 1353408869 736170 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the question you want help with whether it should be called mathfuck or brainmath or brainmathics or fuckmathics?
< 1353408874 25068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : there should be a molydeux-type twitter feed with esolang ideas.
< 1353408879 982406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chris Presto
< 1353408883 995263 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not to that point yet
< 1353408885 319668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's kind of lame
< 1353408886 736450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could work
< 1353408907 821062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm struggling to work out what to call the loop instructions
< 1353408917 923444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here math
< 1353408941 394747 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :math has an unsolved problem whereby it is not brainfuck please make math brainfuck
< 1353408949 896582 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: are you trying to trick me
< 1353408950 785963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigma and pi
< 1353408954 510579 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :into helping you
< 1353408957 94105 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg perfect
< 1353408960 575200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh
< 1353408962 999076 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i dont need more help
< 1353408967 262967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1353408970 762946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oopse"
< 1353408976 609486 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1353408983 893982 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you shachaf it was my time to shine
< 1353408986 924119 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll call it...
< 1353408989 3183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathmath
< 1353409025 20383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1353409027 708612 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about "fuck math"
< 1353409028 391216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: protect mee
< 1353409031 651106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.$//
< 1353409061 668950 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: theres no going bakc
< 1353409075 739506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you "play psychonauts"
< 1353409084 629554 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i played psychonauts ages ago
< 1353409092 811464 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a year!!!! but a bit less than that
< 1353409104 675537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: like 11 months
< 1353409106 91917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 months
< 1353409106 767510 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: are programs pdfs
< 1353409107 648946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 months
< 1353409109 498311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 months
< 1353409110 412111 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, yes
< 1353409111 950332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 months
< 1353409113 82430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 months
< 1353409113 598264 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or latex
< 1353409115 355312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 months
< 1353409117 765198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 months
< 1353409119 141938 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're written in latex
< 1353409120 338127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 months
< 1353409122 848554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 months
< 1353409122 994709 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but preferably compiled latex yeah
< 1353409125 355674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 months
< 1353409127 812263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 months??????
< 1353409145 500745 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: one of those
< 1353409173 409056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: remember the part with the turtle
< 1353409177 371711 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353409182 258225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i loved that turtle
< 1353409185 727199 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, the question is can be publish a math paper that's actually a fuck your mathbrain -fuck program that prints counterexamples to all the theorems.
< 1353409190 451464 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*we
< 1353409244 595546 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: chris
< 1353409247 304864 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :presto
< 1353409247 845446 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is
< 1353409249 323911 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1353409253 682989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chris pressey but different
< 1353409254 65824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1353409254 855534 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found cpresto1.
< 1353409259 546111 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im interested in doing proper math in fuckbrainmath
< 1353409272 338803 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :muchfrainbath
< 1353409281 28790 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*muckfrainbath
< 1353409287 160662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: answer to that question: no. since your theorems have counterexamples, peer review would be sure to find the errors in your proofs
< 1353409290 106768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: (hahahahahaha)
< 1353409302 867289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting good at this joke thing
< 1353409324 443705 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's a good one :d
< 1353409329 828994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh is that because of goedels incompleteness theorems
< 1353409364 655246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read geodel esher bahc, it was very inspiring
< 1353409366 382277 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's because of the corollary that humans are superturing because they can do metamath so they can check every proof.
< 1353409389 852430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :superturing hahaha
< 1353409398 712631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like superman for math
< 1353409408 324350 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :superturing to the rescue
< 1353409409 842930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If only he had a theme tune..._
< 1353409477 391609 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so will you write some theorems in brathmuck
< 1353409503 592698 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking, it would be cool if someone used it to prove fermats' last theorem?
< 1353409513 194991 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353409525 426955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love that theorem!!!!!
< 1353409530 229006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"second favorite theorem"
< 1353409552 226796 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg is your favourite gedoels incompleteness theorem??
< 1353409556 133680 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because mine is!
< 1353409573 740086 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite theorem is perhaps that a countable 2d sft contains a strictly singly periodic point
< 1353409576 275345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no
< 1353409579 587439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite theorem is that
< 1353409613 534983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no computable set of axioms in first-order logic that uniquely defines the natural numbers
< 1353409619 56231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pretty cool huh"
< 1353409624 82689 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353409628 627858 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it's not even my theorem)
< 1353409635 142340 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you prove that in muckbraiath
< 1353409638 622596 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's awesome)
< 1353409645 931124 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite theorem is the one where There is no set whose cardinality is strictly between that of the integers and that of the real numbers.
< 1353409697 48141 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the continuum theorem.
< 1353409697 226450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: thats not a theorem monqy!!!
< 1353409709 16989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a hypothesis
< 1353409711 134405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like evolution
< 1353409738 235359 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cant prove it, goedel proved that
< 1353409747 154139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you can
< 1353409755 85621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have the right axioms
< 1353409755 316012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are theories, theorems and hypotheses; are there also hypothems? 
< 1353409790 528786 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, but you cant prove they're the right axioms
< 1353409792 566521 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://drops.dagstuhl.de/opus/volltexte/2008/1334/pdf/22011.BallierAlexis.Paper.1334.pdf here read it
< 1353409807 711166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes i can??
< 1353409826 414564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :axiom 7: these are the right axioms
< 1353409828 427636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed
< 1353409852 856104 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus axiom 8 that says 7 is correct, sealing the deal.
< 1353409854 242900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1
< 1353409858 160507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed
< 1353409862 178534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :let t=t-1 let t=t-1
< 1353409865 198337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed qed qed qed qed
< 1353409870 919166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemma
< 1353409872 306375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemma
< 1353409872 664817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed
< 1353409888 246557 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what theorem are you proving ?
< 1353409889 240988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "oopse i just proved fermats last conjecture"
< 1353409897 818364 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1353409905 977428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1353409907 388158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: p. cool "dont you think"
< 1353409917 803351 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes teach me how
< 1353409920 225821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : my favorite theorem is the one where There is no set whose cardinality is strictly between that of the integers and that of the real numbers.
< 1353409926 71478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a ba dtheorem monqy          !
< 1353409927 918452 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a lot better than that guy from britain managed
< 1353409943 90153 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how can it be bad if it's my favorite
< 1353409951 867042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried reading that one and it was all nonsense
< 1353410072 584979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:14  luite: the GHC programmers are very bad people :-(
< 1353410083 243876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "remember that time you called JaffaCake stupid to his face"
< 1353410108 881941 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i saw no ellipses in the figures. have a figure now and then asshole, it's common courtesy.
< 1353410269 419265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Grr, this is like doing fusion by hand.
< 1353410277 92721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Really annoying.
< 1353410280 955171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any ideas for how it should work?
< 1353410292 746148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353410296 992850 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this about Lens
< 1353410345 219397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no it's about lens
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< 1353416056 309986 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get "shachaf's quotes"
< 1353416144 69763 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also notice that I'm reading lines from approx. 1½ hours ago
< 1353416176 649160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: hi
< 1353416187 764272 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, hello there
< 1353416295 905717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Fiora is taking your tab completion prefix.
< 1353416298 655886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Fiora is taking your tab completion prefix.
< 1353416311 89745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"are y'all gonna stand for it"
< 1353416320 425976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"huh?"
< 1353416322 362722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soln. use last-spoke like a sane person
< 1353416325 780334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"are y'all gonna take it sitting down?"
< 1353416336 505106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "yes but no"
< 1353416357 843417 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa!!! settle down with those quotes!!!! calm and cool it
< 1353416386 404902 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you might hurt somebody"
< 1353416719 646848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no monqy
< 1353416720 866892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy
< 1353416724 17352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :look up
< 1353416728 420965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"look at your own words"
< 1353416794 609967 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry all i can see is you being careless w/ quotes and maybe hurting somebody
< 1353416815 32634 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a problem only fixable by taking good care and also a chill pill
< 1353417056 265995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1353417076 154104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can i buy a chill pill
< 1353417173 317823 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im no expert
< 1353417910 815255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Don't you like it when someone comes into #haskell to ask a question about using ghci with their editor and the answers they get are (a) switch to unix (b) hey guys what's the true meaning of unix (c) switch to vim or emacs if you even want to matter as a person?
< 1353417988 228782 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this happen often
< 1353417991 664383 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this happen
< 1353418030 738829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes monqy
< 1353418055 324229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the cruel world beyond the safe sheltered walls of #esoteric"
< 1353418088 510730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now they're talking about The True Meaning of Vim
< 1353418096 955484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use hjkl are you a good person?
< 1353418100 437377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this just in: no
< 1353418137 959834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sad when the answers the regulars give annoy me more than the annoying newcomers.
< 1353418205 143659 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I use hjkl am I a bad person ?
< 1353418259 280540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1353418288 227960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :<> using hjkl in vim is almost as bad as using the arrow keys
< 1353418295 648693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is using the arrow keys bad
< 1353418345 545496 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolu↑ely
< 1353418939 749328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I should change my name to "XYzzie", where XY is chosen as the least likely initial IRC nickname character bigram.
< 1353418972 155057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :XYzzY
< 1353419486 274389 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353419775 877878 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1353421036 797756 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also replace the z's with a letter with lower character code
< 1353421042 811684 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. [
< 1353421234 424007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z ENCODING??
< 1353421267 16892 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
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< 1353425337 884273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :(
< 1353425354 563257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone mention yet that IDEs are for JAVA DRONES?
< 1353425453 803472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Does the GHC RTS depend on posix? Also, can I somehow tell GHC to use a different RTS, or am I going to have to write my own compiler if I write my own RTS?"
< 1353425489 177044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1353425508 588347 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like one of those "world of pain" situations
< 1353425519 667329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the answer to the first is nearly obvious from the fact that ghc works on windows
< 1353425525 639895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me WINBLO$E
< 1353426415 979782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353426610 740042 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353426629 900083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh https://github.com/toyvo/libpandoc
< 1353426655 945122 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat
< 1353426656 90658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spinning up a GHC RTS inside my CPython process to render some Markdown is totally reasonable right?
< 1353426694 366239 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1353426710 564558 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you could still involve .NET somehow.
< 1353426746 192744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: C bindings to Haskell libraries
< 1353426751 989523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is the true sign haskell has made it
< 1353426785 392548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly
< 1353426799 117084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013 will be the year of haskell on the desktop
< 1353426945 47699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The only C implementations of markdown that I know of are Discount and PEG-markdown. Discount seemed a little bit too integrated and focused on HTML output for my taste, and PEG-markdown seemed to have a lot of dependencies and stuff. So I wrote my own."
< 1353426949 29985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah! fuck code reuse!
< 1353427315 162772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353427568 659131 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C programmers tend to be all "ew, dependencies, I'll write my own instead"
< 1353427574 550144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353427584 642801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a really disappointing situation
< 1353427598 430056 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course writing your own is how you show off how big your hacker penis is, and that's the best reason to use c for anything
< 1353427745 975034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like rewriting code
< 1353428088 242943 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353429575 263354 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1353430105 27712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: guys what does in exactly do here et add1 x = x + 1 in map add1 [1,5,7] ? and how can I create function add1 and use it right away?(would be easy if you use javascript as explation)
< 1353430154 129190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :real quote?
< 1353430165 448344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1353430188 139656 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can confirm
< 1353430192 913453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Trudko: you probably want to read a haskell tutorial like learn you a haskell to get to grips with the basics of things like functions and map  <[redacted]> elliott: I know what is map and what are functions I dont understand 1. What in is exactly doing iin aboewe example
< 1353430201 176771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there goes my one line of effort
< 1353430218 443407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1353430220 873678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only redacted one of the names
< 1353430224 26479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foiled!!!!
< 1353430230 697585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :womp womp
< 1353430342 481067 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: will you help me take over a japanese mobile phone operator so that eventually we can have goatse in the Supplementary Multilingual Plane
< 1353430378 299101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think there is literally nothing i have ever aspired to less
< 1353430461 975484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never have so few aspired so little to so much
< 1353430680 849009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
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< 1353431002 810927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sigh https://github.com/waylan/Python-Markdown/issues/161
< 1353431143 855260 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1353431919 44706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1353432170 812126 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: heh, nice
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< 1353433434 200670 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sadanduseless.com/2012/04/lavatory-self-portraits/
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< 1353434177 174616 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353434552 910613 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trade Depots can be too close to an edge!?
< 1353434704 494211 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, PalaceCrushed now has a legendary miner and no defences
< 1353435498 305624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353436361 172816 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-16.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353436456 746686 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
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< 1353436902 319860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, bad idea!
< 1353436923 875686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you always think "i should get around to having some defences already" and if you're lck
< 1353436937 558064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lucky an ambush takes out several dorfs
< 1353437341 523722 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1353439490 158616 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I missed the lesson, can anyone tell me the background to the k e^(i * theta) way of expressing a complex number?
< 1353439548 162400 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably something about euler
< 1353439618 78349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you know about polar coordinates for the plane, right?
< 1353439635 459963 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I wrote a C program that quits with a Bus Error when given the input of -1
< 1353439661 322902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and complex numbers x + yi can be thought of as a point in the plane
< 1353439714 525446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you convert that (x,y) to (r,θ) you can represent the number as r(cos(θ) + i sin(θ))
< 1353439739 79411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it so happens that cos(θ) + i sin(θ) = e^(i θ)
< 1353439761 501311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can demonstrate by working out the respective power series, i think
< 1353439776 264930 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, you've skipped over the one part I didn't know
< 1353439805 703009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is?
< 1353439822 546494 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what are complex numbers"
< 1353439826 545653 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to get from cos theta + i sin theta to e ^ (i theta)
< 1353439866 812176 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler%27s_formula
< 1353439881 74705 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, FireFly 
< 1353439909 40891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you can prove it using power series
< 1353439941 654399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you write the power series for e^(iθ) and then shuffle the terms around and pull out a power series for cos(θ) plus one for i sin(θ)
< 1353439944 660076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did mention that ;)
< 1353440018 798767 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall I found it informative to plot z and sqrt(z), in the complex plane for some z on the edge of the unit circle
< 1353440025 738941 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or z and z² for that matter
< 1353440038 677415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like this "using calculus" proof as well
< 1353440081 188270 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"using calculus", is that where you just use euler's formula?
< 1353440086 246143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1353440097 134428 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that we call proof by induction
< 1353440168 968645 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, "Neither of these mathematicians saw the geometrical interpretation of the formula: the view of complex numbers as points in the complex plane arose only some 50 years later (see Caspar Wessel)."
< 1353440452 517561 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinking about it, I think I can get it from Maclaurin series
< 1353440528 32109 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although is that overkill?
< 1353440592 320529 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's one of the standard ways to do it
< 1353440615 169638 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the taylor series, don't remember what the difference between those are
< 1353440625 893159 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maclaurin is Taylor at 0
< 1353440686 701290 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taylor at a is f(a) + f'(a)*(x-a)/1! + f''(a)*(x-a)^2/2! ...
< 1353440694 83018 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Letting a = 0 makes it simpler
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< 1353441509 445299 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: arent there taylor/maclaurin series that dont converge to their associated function as n->infty
< 1353441527 989326 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, yes, but not for e, sin, and cos?
< 1353441540 957807 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e sin and cos are holomorphic, so yeah they converge.
< 1353441634 771891 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of function wouldn't converge?
< 1353441653 573442 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, something that isn't differentiable everywhere?
< 1353441664 853960 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln (1 + x) for x > 1
< 1353441684 720430 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A function that is equal to its Taylor series in an open interval (or a disc in the complex plane) is known as an analytic function."
< 1353441687 488447 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can also have functions that are differentiable everywhere that aren't holomorphic.
< 1353441692 370255 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/7/3/4/734173a08dcfe45fcff058190d4ec0a1.png Wikipedia has an example.
< 1353441707 155417 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, it's infinitely differentiable at 0, anyhow.
< 1353441743 462024 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so why doesn't that one work?
< 1353441757 405114 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-analytic_smooth_function oh, here we go.
< 1353441773 856548 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the maclaurin series of it is 0
< 1353441815 256587 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh.  it's because at zero the taylor series converges to zero...
< 1353441822 500290 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's tricky
< 1353441834 51251 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they're usually kind of pathological.
< 1353442052 272558 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: polar representation of complexes is also useful for using them as rotations and stuff.
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< 1353444487 451441 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.180.43.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that i had
< 1353444499 750036 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.180.43.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wings of a dove
< 1353444510 905301 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.180.43.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to rest on me
< 1353444713 697928 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.180.43.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :55:6
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< 1353445623 527729 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Palacecrushed is going very well
< 1353445623 711671 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the fact that the merchants are here and I haven't anything to trade
< 1353445623 711854 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the path to the trade depot is a bit odd
< 1353445798 979917 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The military is equiped with iron weapons
< 1353445803 104108 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no flux yet)
< 1353446049 613135 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've missed the merchants
< 1353446050 974776 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind
< 1353446304 606921 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think pathological may be slightly too strong a word
< 1353446377 678493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pathologically logical paths
< 1353446721 396039 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-73-140.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, context?
< 1353446779 89257 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my saying smooth but non-analytic functions are "kind of pathological"
< 1353446974 603486 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't an analytic function from R completely determined by its values on any open set?
< 1353447050 32438 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that only worked in C.
< 1353447064 912824 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't R a subset of C, or...?
< 1353447107 64579 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if it's given by a converging series, it seems that you can determine the coefficients by taking derivatives at 0.
< 1353447193 642151 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the issue of functions like the one Bike mentioned though, right?  which are analytic but not homomorphic
< 1353447203 330175 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :homomorphic?
< 1353447205 636377 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi
< 1353447209 983118 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to what
< 1353447220 777172 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :she means holomorphic.
< 1353447229 98099 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh holo
< 1353447234 490881 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've heard of that
< 1353447245 739240 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a synonym for "analytic", usually.
< 1353447265 91710 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get how being holomorphic has anything to do with this
< 1353447267 76542 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, yeah
< 1353447276 587885 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :homomorphic was the condition for whether a taylor series works I think Bike  said?
< 1353447289 209589 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think is the same thing as "you can figure it all out from derivatives at one place"
< 1353447308 787860 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow the reason i think pathological is a bit of a strong word is that if an open set determines an analytic function, pretty much every smooth function you come up with will be non-analytic.
< 1353447309 675202 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, complex analytic functions are holomorphic, but real analytic functions aren't necessarily, I think.
< 1353447335 929383 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you just directly take some function with a name. they usually have a name because they have nice series representations.
< 1353447349 713017 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pathological_function#Pathological_functions poincaré is more what I mean
< 1353447375 2288 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is somewhat pathological
< 1353447378 272363 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yeah, that.  most functions are non-analytic and smooth probably, but they're still subjectively weird
< 1353447380 180198 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god that function
< 1353447384 149349 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the example of an analytic non-smooth function was not.
< 1353447407 596528 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess that may be a bit subjective
< 1353447417 565161 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of exactly the weierstrass function for comparison btw
< 1353447419 570663 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1353447424 244295 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go figure
< 1353447477 994550 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also saying "most" here is a bit dangerous since often "a measure one subset of" B will be non-A where A is a subset of B, but actually it's very hard to find an element in B \ A.
< 1353447494 906794 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose I could come up with a more rigorous "pathological" based on only allowing compositions of standard functions or something, but that'd be pretty pointless and I'm not good enough at real analysis to know what I'm saying anyway
< 1353447518 472887 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I haven't done analysis stuff like this in... gosh too many years <_>
< 1353447539 378629 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took a few analysis courses like 4 years ago
< 1353447600 607290 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so we have these couple of functions that interested ancient mathematicians and are useful in all sortsa fields but we already know everything about them so you students can just fuck yourselves and listen."
< 1353447610 560763 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1353447616 959034 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my thing.
< 1353447705 96628 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked it...
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< 1353447714 60599 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :complex analysis was fun though I think it was like 90% cauchy
< 1353447781 314261 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking forward to understanding how the fuck analytic combinatorics works, since apparently you can work out combinatoric values through complex analysis
< 1353447942 362713 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh that looks neat.
< 1353447953 690544 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does
< 1353447972 5409 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately i'm pretty bad at both so combining them is hazardous for me
< 1353447979 652959 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope to at least do some ordinary combinatorics at some point, like graphs or something
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< 1353448044 56490 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but dunno, finite things are so complicated
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< 1353448066 264308 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again people are doing so much graph stuff it must be like ridiculously easy.
< 1353448089 261740 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least coming up with problems is easy
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< 1353449096 11734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://timetobleed.com/6-line-eventmachine-bugfix-2x-faster-gc-1300-requestssec/ conservative gc: still a bad idea
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< 1353449279 513523 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"... that Ruby thread gets an entire copy of the existing stack. Each time that thread is switched into and out of, that thread stack has to be memcpy’d into and out of place."
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< 1353454842 711365 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, monqy coppro tswett although not formally on list I think. LIST
< 1353454973 21993 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1353455055 664129 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not take part in your list
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< 1353456459 878508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: lenovo cancelled my X1 carbon order due to general failure
< 1353456516 207168 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll get the i7 / 8GB model after all
< 1353456533 621686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could buy it now from the UK site and have it shipped to a friend in the UK, who might appear stateside early next year
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< 1353457548 778705 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what is your list?
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< 1353460308 589572 :intok!~junko@h69-131-103-215.nwblwi.broadband.dynamic.tds.net PART #esoteric :"PONG :asimov.freenode.net"
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< 1353460451 581269 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "general failure"
< 1353460454 978783 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: do you know what a homestuck is
< 1353461124 135423 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghh
< 1353461140 840634 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they create that new almighty invincible supervillain
< 1353461147 871217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Does general failure work with colonel panic?
< 1353461159 832764 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and manage to shoot him dead in the same episode
< 1353461225 104170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quality writing
< 1353461481 480801 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is still the good series of stargate you're watching right
< 1353461495 654569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey you
< 1353461497 704320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott
< 1353461503 835088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wait hes gone!!?"
< 1353461515 487046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im elliott
< 1353461523 321282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott non is broken?
< 1353461523 579596 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1353461530 13817 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no its not
< 1353461533 215676 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your stupid
< 1353461539 9424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate you
< 1353461546 872717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott Do you mean that it's not a proper isomorphism?
< 1353461547 130072 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1353461555 237195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh no
< 1353461565 558924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's not a proper isomorphism you moron
< 1353461569 909378 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(am i doing this right)
< 1353461582 394920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't know. elliott's not usually so nice.
< 1353461604 348259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you're obviously pretending.
< 1353461607 530112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, your a fucking piece of shit, die and kill your family
< 1353461615 134234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have the words, but you don't have the music.
< 1353461622 947685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#tralalalalala
< 1353461636 946289 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#
< 1353461640 751819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  shachaf, your a fucking piece of shit, die and kill your family
< 1353461645 807937 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :867)  shachaf, your a fucking piece of shit, die and kill your family
< 1353461658 694748 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that should be 
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< 1353465250 939054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Luftwaffe fighters found it extremely hard to shoot down the Kukuruznik because of three main factors: the rudimentary aircraft could take an enormous amount of damage and stay in the air, the pilots used the defensive tactic of flying at treetop level, and the stall speed of both the Messerschmitt Bf 109 and the Focke-Wulf Fw 190 was similar to the Soviet aircraft's maximum cruise speed, making it difficult for the newer aircraft to
< 1353465321 932312 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was too slow, nice
< 1353465583 607734 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't they have shields
< 1353465796 528669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the russians used extremely shitty aircraft to harass the german ground divisions at night, ensuring that they never got any sleep and were constantly on edge
< 1353465815 404285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which worked so well that the germans copied the idea
< 1353465863 627960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the communists used it in the korean war too
< 1353465881 628488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the allied fighters were unable to get a radar lock because the plane is made mostly of fabric and wood
< 1353465906 29141 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we fire the whole bullet - that's 60 percent more bullet per bullet"
< 1353465957 598295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: /script load splitlong.pl
< 1353466131 607089 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this week's xkcd's what-if says the amount of thrust created by a rocket/machine gun is exactly mass * speed of the thing you're firing
< 1353466146 50211 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: mkdir -pv ~/.irssi/scripts && ln -s . ~/.irssi/scripts/autorun && ln -s /usr/share/irssi/scripts/splitlong.pl ~/.irssi/scripts/
< 1353466179 311127 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember in prepschool our physics teacher told us for a rocket the "loss in weight" created by burning up the fuel also added to the thrust
< 1353466179 760036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :butts
< 1353466231 56393 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :she was never able to explain that properly so I have no idea what that means (basically she was saying "if you're holding a heavy bag and you drop it, you'll start to fly")
< 1353466242 614167 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently Randall did not mention that
< 1353466266 699894 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's because if you lose mass, it's easier to accelerate?
< 1353466276 586389 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as you spend your fuel, the same amount of thrust pushes you farther
< 1353466287 462413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: help
< 1353466297 19636 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1353466298 738624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're trying to solve a practical problem with lenses
< 1353466309 709516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now edwardk is going on about Kan extensions and things.
< 1353466327 297722 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but in that case, you don't actually *get* any thrust by *having to* carry the fuel in order to burn it
< 1353466376 196617 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, she was saying "losing mass" was actually producing something (that you wouldn't have if your mass was already low)
< 1353466407 791982 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing she probably just wasn't being clear or you misinterpreted?
< 1353466413 137792 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess I'll satisfy myself with your explanation, as it is far better than any explanation she could come up with
< 1353466428 204425 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there's a similar thing with how spaceships do gravitational assists around planets
< 1353466454 918587 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you burn the engine really at the closest point of your orbit
< 1353466477 896513 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your gain in velocity comes from the fact that you basically deposited mass inside the gravitational potential well (negative energy)
< 1353466485 903542 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think at least
< 1353466512 287709 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberth_effect   aha
< 1353466635 721238 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, thank you
< 1353466799 967480 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and good night
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< 1353467788 871257 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^shuffle lunarcrescent
< 1353467803 10228 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble lunarcrescent
< 1353467803 731314 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lnrrsetncecau
< 1353467818 650565 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble lnrrsetncecau
< 1353467819 313607 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrstccuaenern
< 1353467838 116685 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble lrstccuaenern
< 1353467838 696330 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lscueenrnactr
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< 1353473567 839663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: error "oh no"
< 1353473575 891978 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1353473583 412196 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this about lens again
< 1353473592 822550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fromMaybe (error "oh no") blah
< 1353473596 896246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1353473598 789165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fromMaybe (error "oh dear") blah
< 1353473609 332433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(error "oh no", fmap coerce ff', j)
< 1353474131 415905 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant
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< 1353474870 495259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1353474873 960007 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this oberth effect is crazy
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< 1353475040 791821 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rockets are really cool
< 1353475103 701269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma milkshakes
< 1353475103 986866 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :milkshakes has a karma of -2678
< 1353475108 265689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy did you do this monqy
< 1353475118 763144 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353475136 487362 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So if a spacecraft is on a parabolic flyby of Jupiter with a periapsis velocity of 50 km/s, and it performs a 5 km/s burn, it turns out that the final velocity change at great distance is 22.9 km/s; giving a multiplication of the burn by 4.6 times."
< 1353475153 984698 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what kind of modification you could get with a really heavy object.   like a neutron star
< 1353475157 193993 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, multiplication
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< 1353475866 178786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just now i confused myself greatly about potential energy
< 1353475886 779478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if my potential energy is proportional to my distance from heavy things
< 1353475897 955374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't it be really huge because i am so far away from all these black holes and neutron stars and shit
< 1353475910 800886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think i understand now
< 1353475939 562430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the best way to measure potential energy for space travel is to say that being infinitely far from everything in the universe is zero potential energy
< 1353475945 237005 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it goes negative if you are near a heavy thing
< 1353475947 706519 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that just on a short distance, and an approximation to the gravitational equation
< 1353475949 215335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that matches what you said above
< 1353475991 203338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah it's not linear either
< 1353475996 568189 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well usually with potential energy you define it relative to the ground, which is arbitrary/whatever makes sense for what you're doing
< 1353475996 910824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true
< 1353476006 420344 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the usual mgh is an approximation that works if you're close enough
< 1353476013 784864 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't done physics in years though so don't quote me :)
< 1353476027 755175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is
< 1353476055 32179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you can also compute it from escape velocity
< 1353476084 576985 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wait duh, it's roughly proportional to distance but it's inverse-square at some point.
< 1353476086 540324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the amount of kinetic energy you need in order to escape
< 1353476097 217883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. to have your position not converge as t → ∞
< 1353476221 983269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the energy from a small nuclear bomb is enough to propel me to escape the milky way galaxy
< 1353476235 436381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if converted perfectly to kinetic energy
< 1353476242 38293 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck with that
< 1353476247 381689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok
< 1353476249 688432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll wear my bike helmet
< 1353476260 528668 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines kmc in a cannon with a nuke behind him
< 1353476264 327125 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a circus
< 1353476277 388946 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you hear the story of when they originally came up with that?
< 1353476287 115781 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they like, left a plate next to a nuke and then set it off, with a high speed camera
< 1353476293 208253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: does mosh work from outside the milky way
< 1353476297 40154 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only had it in one frame, but by gum was it moving fast probably!
< 1353476309 633508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that gives a pretty good lower bound on the speed :)
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< 1353476969 985438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Guess what everyone in that other channel is doing right now. :-(
< 1353477058 915600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which other channel
< 1353477062 44285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what are they doing
< 1353477087 932020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typing backwards.
< 1353477148 731495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi
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< 1353484310 55889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://imgur.com/a/pCdd7
< 1353484538 634615 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1353485688 806619 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: isn't gravitational potential energy always negative?  
< 1353485730 943574 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reminded of a theory stating that the total mass/energy of the universe is the same as the gravitational potential energy (except positive), I think that's what it was
< 1353485739 482573 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning the total energy of the universe is zero
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< 1353486359 276613 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-energy_universe  ah, this thing I think
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< 1353489519 125650 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Jolla live event or something. http://jolla.com/
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< 1353490373 860030 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, monqy. List list list list listlist list list list list list list list list list list EVERYBODY
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< 1353490567 731124 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say it with me. 
< 1353490568 591177 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can't keep down the clown." 
< 1353490575 916492 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this -update-
< 1353490640 112628 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a staggering number of panels dedicated to repeatedly killing gamzee
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< 1353490903 432682 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
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< 1353496018 467963 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I are hungry
< 1353499267 406922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ATEN'T DEAD.
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< 1353507210 462515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you know the apple retina stuff does software magic so that bitmap images get scaled up to be a reasonable size but text and stuff doesn't?
< 1353507211 366801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't
< 1353507213 164055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i want one :(
< 1353507755 141191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that using the Retina stuff can cause your retina to fall off?
< 1353507756 74757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't.
< 1353507756 996364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not true.
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< 1353509400 165738 :Sanqui!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky QUIT :Ping timeout: 257 seconds
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< 1353509517 280910 :atriq!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not enjoying Legostar Galactica
< 1353509524 485319 :atriq!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I stop reading it?
< 1353509526 216640 :atriq!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discuss
< 1353509645 706413 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would consider that a good reason to stop reading i
< 1353509646 632235 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1353509678 872427 :atriq!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could persevere in the hope it improves
< 1353509703 420671 :atriq!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only up to November 2005
< 1353509725 655579 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-26.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1353510122 702497 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why give it a second chance
< 1353510138 91040 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :comedies don't generally get better as they age
< 1353510180 168209 :atriq!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I enjoy El Goonish Shive now a lot more than I did a couple of years ago
< 1353510369 220672 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353510856 607081 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1353513246 681448 :kashifpak!kashifpak@175.110.69.154 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1353513260 79284 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome kashifpak 
< 1353513263 594246 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kashifpak: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1353513291 307973 :kashifpak!kashifpak@175.110.69.154 PART :#esoteric
< 1353513309 726008 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too mainstream.
< 1353513510 407041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does everyone leave the second we welcome them
< 1353513515 19257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah
< 1353513520 548890 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353513578 962333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like they render to a virtual screen with a lower resolution
< 1353513599 340489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is elliott even here
< 1353513602 26398 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353513603 574478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that rendering is a combination of raster and vector elements
< 1353513603 947660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353513604 781248 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is
< 1353513606 38747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you know that GHC's Derive{Functor,Foldable,Traversable} has a bug that makes them quadratic?
< 1353513617 177694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/7436
< 1353513632 4225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I just have to wait for a company that I feel happy (well, happier) giving money to to copy it
< 1353513642 325698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1353513648 756764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can do the same with Linux already sort of
< 1353513684 777983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :set your dpi in X high enough (and hacks to fix stuff that ignore that) that fonts are big, get your browser to scale images up, and use a gtk theme without too many bitmap elements
< 1353513694 161795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1353513702 954287 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353513716 971627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "An eta-expanded definition like foldr becomes asymptotically worse for some reason. Maybe this is expected behavior for this function, since f gets eta-expanded at each iteration?"
< 1353513721 146324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is pretty much semantically required
< 1353513732 776894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: THEN WHY DOES SPJ FIND IT SO SURPRISING
< 1353513739 237451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since eta-retraction is invalid in Haskell
< 1353513743 207685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(eta-deexpansion??)
< 1353513748 732234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reduction?
< 1353513755 686617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Doesn't stop GHC from doing it.
< 1353513770 609190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fpedantic-bottoms, man
< 1353513779 688936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes GHC has invalid optimisations and this is bad
< 1353513780 572356 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1353513798 874078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably GHC should compile this example efficiently because it does such optimisations
< 1353513817 565747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oddly enough, GHC's invalid optimizations tend to eta-expand, not eta-contract
< 1353513830 956195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the only time I've ever bothered to catch them
< 1353513864 845002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:01  i think its because ghc won't inline a function unless it has been given all of its arguments
< 1353513867 878275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:01  so they tend to eta expand like mad in hope they'll give it all its args
< 1353513924 927982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only we had edwardk's perfect proprietary Haskell compiler
< 1353513967 20884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if only"
< 1353514003 24873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anyway if you've ever used DeriveFoo, I hope you're glad that your code is slow. :-(
< 1353514025 599085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did I ever tell you about my shell / python coroutine idea?
< 1353514070 59397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO kmc should write a Haskell compiler that doesn't suck
< 1353514079 922866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Nope.
< 1353514090 297644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i started writing a haskell compiler but "doesn't suck" was not one of the design goals
< 1353514090 497575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: imo "its called thc havnet u heard"
< 1353514106 188795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were the design goals
< 1353514116 451145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so python would suck as an interactive command shell, but it's superior to bash for certain data munging tasks
< 1353514140 534098 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i want each interactive bash to have an associated python interpreter in the background
< 1353514144 173646 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that i can do like
< 1353514148 716153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ cmd1 | cmd2 | py -i foo
< 1353514149 937195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ py
< 1353514175 118166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> bar = ' - '.join(x.strip().split(':')[3] for x in foo)
< 1353514179 371242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> ^D
< 1353514184 231114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ py -o bar | cmd3 | ...
< 1353514210 434732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is not too hard to implement so, has it been done, and is it crazy?
< 1353514217 214402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there really such an advantage over just running a command?
< 1353514224 397738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, other than "Python doesn't support one-liners"
< 1353514239 626351 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder when people will realize that using bash as a standard language has been a terrible mistake
< 1353514253 524602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah there's that
< 1353514261 493473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the same property makes interactive python kind of limited as well
< 1353514276 376882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are goin gto do that might as well use a nicer interface than bash for the shell part too :P
< 1353514291 355189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's almost as good to do python -c'  ... python script
< 1353514291 540342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "like what"
< 1353514292 240933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also have you seen ipython
< 1353514294 668548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353514294 822476 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it does similar things to this
< 1353514298 357337 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use ipython all the time
< 1353514301 629310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in i think ls | cat ... works in ipython
< 1353514308 325051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore the fact that that pipeline makes no sense
< 1353514310 393628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1353514314 367928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"imo this is reason enough to switch to ruby"
< 1353514314 513305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls | cat - /dev/random | ... makes sense
< 1353514317 633671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for being dumb
< 1353514330 470308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it implements full shell syntax though
< 1353514338 601132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Tcl is the future.
< 1353514342 293767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be kind of crazy
< 1353514351 932657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you are goin gto do that might as well use a nicer interface than bash for the shell part too
< 1353514355 8934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no see
< 1353514358 632147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is that #haskell fallacy that i hate
< 1353514373 721247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if you're going to fix a bug in any program you might as well rewrite that program in haskell and also your operating system"
< 1353514411 749247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're going to try to convert me to zsh or whatever then fine
< 1353514411 931960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my point is that this is a relatively huge engineering effort, so basing it on bash would be a shame when there are things like fish (fish isn't perfect but I think fixing the flaws would probably be less effort in total esp. since I bet bash's codebase is awful)
< 1353514430 703213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't think this would require extensive changes to bash
< 1353514432 106340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well zsh is like bash but with marginally nicer interactive features :P
< 1353514442 934015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you are doing "py -o bar"
< 1353514446 366913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than just "bar | ..."
< 1353514459 440654 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i would hope to make it not depend on the shell you use
< 1353514459 585571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or only minimally
< 1353514459 585811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1353514464 853411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about python 'blah' < named pipe
< 1353514470 487442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat named pipe > blah
< 1353514471 530884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1353514482 328630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have a bashrc line that starts up the python process and puts in an env var a path to some socket or something where it can be talked to
< 1353514486 289066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure that the py -i / py -o model is bset here
< 1353514499 20710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems better if you instead have somethin glike py -a 
< 1353514499 873734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then 'py' would use that
< 1353514501 704433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which runs function with the input
< 1353514506 402237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i was thinking about that too
< 1353514508 616788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you would do cmd1 | cmd2 | py -a foo | cmd3 | ... instead
< 1353514516 800517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't python have -e?
< 1353514520 298841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by defining bar = lambda foo: ' - '.join(x.strip().split(':')[3] for x in foo)
< 1353514521 658830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are def. cases where you want something more complicated than that
< 1353514523 939671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it has -c
< 1353514524 117918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl has -e. Also oneliners.
< 1353514527 674819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but one-line python is painful a lot
< 1353514529 973956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby has -e
< 1353514532 393501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i think perl is better for this
< 1353514539 516735 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with perl i think it's not really needed
< 1353514540 487157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually
< 1353514547 614103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this is why i use ruby more than python"
< 1353514562 978147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Clearly the answer is to use node.js with asynchronous callback functions instead of coroutines.
< 1353514572 998944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"coroutines? more like slowroutines"
< 1353514581 488710 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My init scripts are webscale"
< 1353514584 261382 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-26.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353514625 812674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c
< 1353514657 225409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> set (every 5) 'Q' "this is just some text to say hi monqy with to elliott"
< 1353514659 288304 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "Qhis Qs juQt soQe teQt toQsay Qi moQqy wQth tQ ellQott"
< 1353514735 200995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t every
< 1353514736 672100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Integral a1, Applicative f, TraversableWithIndex a1 t, Indexed a1 k) => a1 -> k (a -> f a) (t a -> f (t a))
< 1353514737 657989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t set
< 1353514739 138677 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setting s t a b -> b -> s -> t
< 1353514756 223354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> every 5 ~. 'Q' $ "is this right"
< 1353514758 21977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `~.'
< 1353514758 369974 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1353514758 515008 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   `.' (line 105), `P.....
< 1353514762 605927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> every 5 .~ 'Q' $ "is this right"
< 1353514764 800582 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "Qs thQs riQht"
< 1353514770 277798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> every 0 .~ 'Q' $ "is this right"
< 1353514772 582189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "*Exception: divide by zero
< 1353514778 551279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1353514786 317119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the zero police is coming to take you away
< 1353514793 306854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular this python shell would be persistent
< 1353514802 896100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> every (-1) .~ 'Q' $ "is this right"
< 1353514805 766202 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "QQQQQQQQQQQQQ"
< 1353514806 82476 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can jump back and forth and keep its state
< 1353514814 227024 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> every (-2) .~ 'Q' $ "is this right"
< 1353514816 446962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "QsQtQiQ QiQhQ"
< 1353514818 880393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it use abs or something
< 1353514820 88973 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i think makes it a lot more powerful than python -c, perl -e, etc.
< 1353514829 479881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: @ handles this well
< 1353514829 651042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fyi
< 1353514837 603142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :every k = iwhere (\i -> i `mod` k == 0)
< 1353514868 787181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iwhere (== 'q') .~ 'Q' $ "abcdqe"
< 1353514870 714114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match type `GHC.Types.Int' with `GHC.Types.Char'
< 1353514874 622644 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353514876 345269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> where (== 'q') .~ 'Q' $ "abcdqe"
< 1353514879 216876 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  :1:1: parse error on input `where'
< 1353514879 838356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1353514882 982794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t iwhere
< 1353514884 623996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Applicative f, TraversableWithIndex i t, Indexed i k) => (i -> Bool) -> k (a -> f a) (t a -> f (t a))
< 1353514897 187003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1353515071 378832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dol um ber ist
< 1353515132 118391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the equivalent of iwhere for values
< 1353515140 183154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :filtered
< 1353515144 356062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's illegal.
< 1353515166 708891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breaks the traversal laws unless you use it carefully.
< 1353515180 724710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"its okay for folds tho"
< 1353515227 965664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with filtered (== 'q') .~ 'Q'
< 1353515241 39429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :over f . over g = over (f.g)
< 1353515291 517065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> over (filtered even) (+1) . over (filtered even) (+1) $ 2
< 1353515292 401454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> over (filtered even) ((+1) . (+1)) $ 2
< 1353515293 841970 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  3
< 1353515296 332269 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4
< 1353515307 101581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t over
< 1353515310 739907 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setting s t a b -> (a -> b) -> s -> t
< 1353515329 600325 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :stabOf eye
< 1353515463 815673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ugh, is cheater talking a lot in #haskell right now
< 1353515478 432846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "how would i know"
< 1353515504 985751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you just said something in #haskell
< 1353515508 380726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so presumably you are paying some attention to it
< 1353515521 29620 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The alot is talking cheater in #haskell
< 1353515545 827858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've had him on /ignore for a while now.
< 1353515551 872887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he's the only person I've ever /ignored
< 1353515574 267390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether he just hates me personally or what.
< 1353515586 620590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he hates me personally
< 1353515587 664943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that helps
< 1353515615 996427 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1353515761 512596 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353515788 449641 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-26.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1353516420 499561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^.)
< 1353516421 709315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^..)
< 1353516422 275263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s -> Getting a s t a b -> a
< 1353516423 409239 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s -> Getting [a] s t a b -> [a]
< 1353516437 41637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what's the difference
< 1353516446 328998 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why does Getting have another parameter there
< 1353516737 316328 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353517162 516021 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Getting r s t a b = (a -> Accessor r b) -> s -> Accessor r t
< 1353517166 521462 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accessor ~ Const
< 1353517171 326259 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IIRC)
< 1353517180 797229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1353517234 895288 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1353517251 425441 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ("foo", "bar") ^. both
< 1353517253 422409 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "foobar"
< 1353517255 426560 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ("foo", "bar") ^.. both
< 1353517257 579787 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["foo","bar"]
< 1353517262 356848 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353517281 183437 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (Sum 4, Sum 5) ^. both
< 1353517283 262020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Sum {getSum = 9}
< 1353517287 612482 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (4, 5) ^.. both
< 1353517289 683012 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [4,5]
< 1353517531 209975 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1353518320 445069 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353518574 753815 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src both
< 1353518575 63528 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it.
< 1353518666 934059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, expecting @src to be reasonable
< 1353518677 236659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's both f (a,b) = (,) <$> f a <*> f b)
< 1353518687 969677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1353518690 565679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :both (a,b) f = ...
< 1353518755 437102 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, both f (a,b)
< 1353518774 115903 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like traverse f [a,b]
< 1353518790 449646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t both
< 1353518791 927925 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => (a -> f b) -> (a, a) -> f (b, b)
< 1353518797 546210 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1353519286 171518 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353519686 819975 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1353520122 592708 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... how do I make git restore the working tree to a pristine state. git reset --hard seems to keep ignored files, but I want those gone too
< 1353520133 433477 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :git clean
< 1353520148 974002 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, .... which is not even listed in "git help"
< 1353520158 576449 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :git help -a
< 1353520162 551066 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :git clean -x I think
< 1353520163 480837 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :riight
< 1353520173 617565 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :git help lists only common commands
< 1353520175 962274 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The most commonly used git commands are:"
< 1353520203 578333 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I did git clean -x -f aaand wait for it:
< 1353520204 790836 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not removing arch/arm/include/generated/
< 1353520210 665246 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously?
< 1353520225 269983 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted a *pristine* checkout
< 1353520234 762106 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-d
< 1353520242 512772 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-d says "remove untracked directories in addition to untracked files"
< 1353520242 657898 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1353520246 738161 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1353520271 428099 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if any IRC client follows the RTL override codepoint?‮
< 1353520301 495279 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1353520316 569508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably xchat does?
< 1353520321 242235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other things that use external stuff to render text
< 1353520439 794740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think i have seen it in xchat
< 1353520448 527383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just override but following the bidi algorithm
< 1353520455 506222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you write arabic it will show up RTL
< 1353520514 181271 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, xchat behaves strangely if you try to select RTL text though
< 1353520528 967681 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1353520537 289603 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the text reverts to LTR in the selection iirc
< 1353520558 467888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange
< 1353520744 531688 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it did last I checked at least, which was probably over a year ago by now
< 1353520759 188836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :xchat behaves really weirdly with proportional fonts also
< 1353520834 876813 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353520886 309321 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353520982 869473 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I never even tried that
< 1353520994 371925 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but out of interest, what does it do when you use them?
< 1353521042 923717 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353521083 275002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly works (I use it)
< 1353521086 42123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you select text it redraws often
< 1353521088 462689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that sometimes looks weird
< 1353521114 661094 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1353521354 704462 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1353521481 701680 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353521772 613230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (%~)
< 1353521774 295556 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setting s t a b -> (a -> b) -> s -> t
< 1353523059 180365 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-1)^0.5
< 1353523061 236811 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Ambiguous type variable `b0' in the constraints:
< 1353523061 593943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   (GHC.Real.Fractional b0...
< 1353523067 326773 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-1.0)^0.5
< 1353523069 105694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Ambiguous type variable `b0' in the constraints:
< 1353523069 442843 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   (GHC.Real.Fractional b0...
< 1353523079 821899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding .0 never helps ambiguity
< 1353523093 766882 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-1)**0.5 :: Complex CReal
< 1353523095 913698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0.0 :+ 1.0
< 1353523156 485246 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A graph of the real part of (-1)**x is a cosine wave periodic in 2, and of the imaginary part is a sine wave periodic in 2
< 1353523233 143871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It goes around and around and around and around.
< 1353523241 430206 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "and around "
< 1353523243 362316 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "and around and around and around and around and around and around and arou...
< 1353523280 111483 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1353523381 726498 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353523826 945098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for *that* long, I'm sure.
< 1353523973 522288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "and around " & every 2 .~ "q"
< 1353523975 330632 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `&'
< 1353523981 977454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let (&) = (%)
< 1353523984 892679 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1353523987 117197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "and around " & every 2 .~ "q"
< 1353523988 986407 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[GHC.Types.Char]'
< 1353523989 322219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :             with actual ty...
< 1353523995 681690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1353523997 341775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undefine
< 1353524013 925428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "and around " % every 2 .~ "q"
< 1353524015 723831 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `every'
< 1353524029 388229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh, it's not standard?
< 1353524154 684455 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1353524320 851742 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353524402 746939 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353524443 869995 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353524736 965227 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353524920 961235 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353525527 448319 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://literallyunbelievable.org/post/36209732360/can-you-beat-this-a-facebook-user-has-uploaded
< 1353525658 878161 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, 12 million photos over 6 days, that's 2 million a day, and a day has less than 100000 seconds, so that's about 20-30 fps video over the entire trip
< 1353525692 379015 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that should take a lot less space than 15 TB
< 1353525736 990247 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Motion JPEG is not very efficient.
< 1353525740 507478 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/area-woman-finally-uploads-all-12-million-pictures,30443/ ^^;;
< 1353525746 529976 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an onion piece 
< 1353525793 910168 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :15TB is faintly plausible for high quality motion JPEG though.
< 1353525850 800217 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_<
< 1353525862 850811 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you videotaped your entire vacation, would you really use motion jpeg?
< 1353525877 279165 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :literallyunbelievable.org catalogues people's responses to theonion.com pieces
< 1353525890 367149 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does #esoteric , apparently.
< 1353525895 725089 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surprising how many people think they're real
< 1353525918 380698 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't we responding to the literallyunbelievable piece though?
< 1353525931 950798 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh
< 1353525973 847394 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one, I think we've concluded that it's definitely not literally unbelievable to take 12 million pictures of your vacation
< 1353525980 996851 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stories from The Onion as interpreted by Facebook"
< 1353525991 477547 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know that India Today was a part of Facebook.
< 1353526004 817534 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... as interpreted by Literally Unbelievable as interpreted by #esoteric
< 1353526087 130338 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://literallyunbelievable.org/post/35986654788/wow-osama-os-still-alive
< 1353526104 975668 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Osama OS
< 1353526226 267855 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://literallyunbelievable.org/post/35773802529/r-we-for-real ... I think ... The Onion actually taught people something?
< 1353526278 451504 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“India Today is a part of Facebook!”
< 1353526283 917047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Individually captioning those 12 million pictures in 8 months does mean you couldn't spend more than about 1.7 seconds per caption, assuming you spent 24 hours per day captioning. (Or 1.15 seconds, assuming a more reasonable 16 hours/day schedule.)
< 1353526343 453610 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: The war one :-D
< 1353526360 756807 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they were individually captioned? that's literally unbelievable!
< 1353526405 301702 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the captions were like "cute!!!" according to the article
< 1353526409 43756 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta use all the information here
< 1353526647 696672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw ls | cat can make sense
< 1353526668 943369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it disables colors and gives you one file per line
< 1353526674 696373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is useful for copy-pasting
< 1353526679 84079 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls -1
< 1353526682 903171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course there's some ls flag for that
< 1353526699 59633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353526704 255451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could remember that, or i could use the tools i already know
< 1353526738 52560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course forcing a command's output to be not a tty is useful for things other than ls
< 1353526742 793667 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls | xclip -i  is even more useful for copy-pasting
< 1353527267 186924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat | something | cat  # double action
< 1353527361 201159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the way
< 1353527383 520478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also write "cat foo | bar" rather than "bar < foo" to preserve the left to right flow of data
< 1353527395 385940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i've been told this is proof that my unix penis is very small
< 1353527410 677653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of all the resources wasted by that extra cat process
< 1353527416 61812 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could have gone towards feeding the hungry
< 1353527428 443632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also write "< foo bar" but that's just fucked up
< 1353527485 828208 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you could be running folding@home, those extra cpu cycles could go towards curing cancer
< 1353527531 444268 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is cpio just a storage format like tar or is compression built in?
< 1353527563 491291 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes
< 1353527588 256642 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :both?
< 1353527604 827683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :former
< 1353527607 104066 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1353527678 897153 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353527723 59308 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a second... this makes no sense. Flashing this zip depends on the order the files are put in to the zip file. I.e. zip foo.zip a b or zip foo.zip b a
< 1353527776 704010 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, how could anyone make software depend on irrelevant details like the order of input files
< 1353527808 921349 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it depends on the order of which the files are stored in the sodding zip file
< 1353527816 209559 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't make much sense to me
< 1353527824 290629 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the update script has to go first.
< 1353527874 955930 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it may look like a zip file to you, you're probably looking at a very specific format for delivery of software updates :P
< 1353527917 533954 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like how DOS' bootup files have to be the first files on the file system for the MBR to find them
< 1353527917 815686 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1353527927 717587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYS C:
< 1353527956 327723 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well, I would expect a custom open source recovery on an android phone to not care about the order though
< 1353527966 967786 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: which iirc only works if you don't already have files on C:
< 1353528101 372217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nisstyre: hmm true
< 1353528112 570417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's more complicated than that. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/66530 has the detailed requirements.
< 1353528116 914429 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would actually make me feel really guilty
< 1353528168 422636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MS-DOS 4.0 and later seems to have a SYS.COM capable of rearranging things.
< 1353528171 658031 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : you can also write "< foo bar" but that's just fucked up <-- you know, I have actually seen that in serious code
< 1353528176 354287 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot where exactly
< 1353528242 203052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the at-the-start requirements also seem slightly relaxed.
< 1353528293 475886 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if 4.0 and up can fix that automagically, I wonder why I'm familiar with the problem at all
< 1353528437 284470 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :DBLSPACE.BIN
< 1353528437 980481 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1353528441 285963 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember that?
< 1353528455 756760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember it breaking my Windows installation.
< 1353528468 423322 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1353528473 849254 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1353528482 496940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grew up on mac btw, so I remember ResEdit and such instead
< 1353528485 663412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some kind of an issue w.r.t. wfw3.11 and a dblspace'd c: drive.
< 1353528520 110574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a possible setup, but there was a way to make it not work, and I hit on that.
< 1353528552 618708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, free (modulo speed) disk space was nothing to scoff at.
< 1353528594 621181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HLFSPACE
< 1353528645 951142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HLFSPACE stores all data on disk twice, for redundancy. (Not really.)
< 1353528783 47949 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, now I got it building a kernel at amm
< 1353528784 271780 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :all*
< 1353528837 477114 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to check if I can actually make it do what I want though
< 1353528842 808089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you flashing there? 
< 1353528947 570632 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I'm trying to build a custom kernel for my phone with ftrace support. Since some tools in the SDK need that (systrace specifically) but the stock samsung kernel lacks it. Also the Siyah kernel (which is rather nice, offers dual booting for example) lacks it. Had some issues building a modified version of that kernel though
< 1353528961 570750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be working now, but now to try with ftrace enabled as well
< 1353528993 731437 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :first issue was getting the initramfs building correctly
< 1353529027 740996 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would think that the automated build script would actually work. Given the errors in it I'm surprised it worked for anybody
< 1353529048 995576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, now that there's perhaps a different subset of people awake... why doesn't "dropbox puburl" work for me? Is it supposed to work at all? (I mean, it "works" in the sense that it prints URLs for ~/Dropbox/Public/ stuff, but those URLs just give a 404 when accessed.)
< 1353529068 827245 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is impossible it would have worked with bash
< 1353529080 618171 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it works fine for me.
< 1353529092 834709 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't know what I'm doing worng, then.
< 1353529116 558042 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "dropbox status"?
< 1353529138 15654 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I just get this:
< 1353529139 558420 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another instance of Dropbox (25520) is running!
< 1353529144 111991 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay?
< 1353529167 112691 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ file ~/.dropbox-dist/dropbox
< 1353529167 283239 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/arvid/.dropbox-dist/dropbox: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.8, stripped
< 1353529167 801027 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1353529170 184651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://sprunge.us/hYEW
< 1353529177 27025 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if I hit ctrl-c I get a python traceback
< 1353529180 444441 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell does that work
< 1353529207 194461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353529214 383324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: file $(which dropbox) instead? 
< 1353529221 182206 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is not in my path?
< 1353529233 865521 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I just use the python script
< 1353529235 746193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it execs a python script or embeds a python interpreter
< 1353529245 216932 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't know, I just followed the install instructions way back when, when I installed it
< 1353529260 433689 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think my distro has it anyway
< 1353529261 311008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal using dropbox?
< 1353529264 481322 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is just from dropbox.com
< 1353529278 423430 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah sure, why not? I got 50 GB free for 2 years with my phone
< 1353529287 297397 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is excellent for *encrypted* backups
< 1353529326 453966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it runs some Python; I do get Python stuff for ^C if I try to run that binary manually.
< 1353529341 407873 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, why are you surprised I use dropbox? The backup program I use on my phone has built in support for syncing with it, so it is convenient.
< 1353529363 995037 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where is the dropbox in your path from then?
< 1353529397 361806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd expect some rant about relying on an external corporation for your data and closed source and how using scp to your own server is just as easy. :p
< 1353529400 958195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I went the package manager way.
< 1353529437 297772 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which I need to upgrade this laptop from 10.04 at some point, kind of soon
< 1353529444 656249 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc support ends at the end of the year
< 1353529470 33256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t traverseWith
< 1353529470 324778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have dropbox because of that Space Race thing, but I was thinking I could use it for stupid-images-to-share-on-IRC use; it's just that the puburl just isn't working. Doing a "share link" thing (via the webface) did work, but it makes a different sort of thing.
< 1353529471 471258 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: `traverseWith'
< 1353529471 776790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1353529471 922356 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :      `traverseBits' (imported from Data.Bits.Lens),
< 1353529478 873890 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nah, I wouldn't put unencrypted backups there though. Unless I wanted to make them public
< 1353529479 44668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, what's it called.
< 1353529496 609841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (1,2) % fromWithin traverse
< 1353529498 201523 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `(t0, t1)' with actual type `a0 :> b0'
< 1353529498 489560 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Expected type: (t0, t1) -> b1
< 1353529498 634266 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Actual type: (a0 :> b0) -> (a0 :> b0) :> c0
< 1353529499 69408 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I really need more RAM in this laptop, building a kernel makes the input lag unless I close firefox
< 1353529504 165894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: maybe you have changed :p
< 1353529505 886595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (1,2) % fromWithin both
< 1353529507 666611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `(t0, t1)' with actual type `a0 :> b0'
< 1353529507 986986 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Expected type: (t0, t1) -> b1
< 1353529508 133518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Actual type: (a0 :> b0) -> (a0 :> b0) :> c0
< 1353529517 438767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fromWithin
< 1353529519 102220 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimpleLensLike (Control.Lens.Internal.Bazaar c c) b c -> (a :> b) -> (a :> b) :> c
< 1353529522 222018 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried a lazy google for dropbox puburl 404 but didn't see too many complaints.
< 1353529533 319341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have you learned about lens yet
< 1353529535 172856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it is super fancy!
< 1353529545 865288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Please note: New Dropbox accounts created after October 4, 2012 no longer have a Public folder. Don't worry! Every account created prior to this date will still have a Public folder. If you would like to enable a Public folder on a new account, see the instructions below (Creating a Public folder).
< 1353529548 943604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not any concrete implementation, no
< 1353529551 361925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, all the extra functionality provided by the Public folder is now accessible anywhere in your Dropbox. Now all you need to do to share and preview files and folders in your Dropbox is select Share link via your computers, phones, and tablets."
< 1353529555 848330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay.
< 1353529556 134231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no i mean the "lens" package
< 1353529558 55015 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I doubt I would use google drive btw, I try to not put everything in the hands of one company
< 1353529559 790776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what i am using here
< 1353529562 1822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose my ~/Dropbox/Public isn't actually a real public folder.
< 1353529565 245341 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :google already knows way too much
< 1353529568 251012 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: welp, glad I got in before that
< 1353529584 357493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It can still be enabled, there's instructions.
< 1353529586 35744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard about that van lairwoofer thing
< 1353529586 282822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it has lenses (incl. ones which can change the type i.e. polymorphic fields) and traversals (hence partial lenses) and effectful versions of all of this and indexed stuff and generic zippers and
< 1353529595 837662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is based on those
< 1353529598 377417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is edwardk's new megapackage
< 1353529603 636068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dropbox links give you everything you need to share and preview files and folders. However, if you’re just a diehard fan of Public Folders, click here to enable one on your account."
< 1353529603 781590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even has documentation
< 1353529607 301470 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah but that sounds pretty hard for something I indeed mostly use for stupid pictures for irc
< 1353529616 371854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to click on a link? 
< 1353529620 274779 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1353529625 406394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :has some nice examples like (zipper ("hello","world") % down _1 % fromWithin traverse % focus .~ 'J' % rightmost % focus .~ 'y' % rezip)
< 1353529625 709549 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : However, all the extra functionality provided by the Public folder is now accessible anywhere in your Dropbox. Now all you need to do to share and preview files and folders in your Dropbox is select Share link via your computers, phones, and tablets." <-- wait, can you see which folders are public and so on then?
< 1353529636 186492 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do stuff just automatically become public?
< 1353529651 25809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I'm a diehard fan of public folders, but I am a fan of getting links from the command-line client as opposed to navigating the webs.
< 1353529665 446332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think the command-line thing can create "shared links".)
< 1353529680 462400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to "Share link" specific files for them to be public.
< 1353529681 991575 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1353529688 145473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But those files don't need to be in any specific folders.
< 1353529693 53596 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can you revoke the publicness of them?
< 1353529704 934745 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also can you make an entire folder, with a directory listing, public?
< 1353529708 626553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you can delete the links.
< 1353529713 322787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They appear separately in the webface.
< 1353529727 325599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there was something about sharing an entire folder that I hit on the last Google.
< 1353529741 580752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it might've been just a note that it's not possible, plus third-party things to make it happen.
< 1353529766 23491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I clicked on the "enable public folder" link, and got "Error: Something went wrong. Don't worry, your files are still safe and the Dropboxers have been notified. Check out our Help Center and forums for help, or head back to home."
< 1353529776 179422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps just because I wasn't signed in.
< 1353529782 825110 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hm, the ftrace option breaks the kernel, oh well
< 1353529819 402112 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, /proc/last_kmsg is binary garbage
< 1353529823 423054 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a bit extreme
< 1353529826 620124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your Public folder is now enabled. Your existing Public folder was renamed to "Public (old)"."
< 1353529830 91495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yaay.
< 1353529853 540925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it is edwardk's new megapackage <-- did you see his recent reddit comment about how he found haskell?  with him 2006 seems so short ago...
< 1353529870 759190 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006...
< 1353529879 973340 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was about the same time I found the joys of the internet
< 1353529899 329500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: iirc yes, I think I knew that date already
< 1353529904 714100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think Hackage is actually post-2006 though!
< 1353529906 15864 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, what, really?
< 1353529916 950397 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, I knew it existed beforehand
< 1353529926 62955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, now the puburl works. (Except that of course the .jpg isn't EXIF-autorotated, unlike it was when I "Share link"ed it. (It has a previewy kind of a thing.))
< 1353529930 472360 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that would have been when I joined the UMMF
< 1353529935 406401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think Hackage is ~2007
< 1353529936 307218 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got linked IWC from there
< 1353529942 628671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, looks like late 2006 maybe
< 1353529944 698564 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thence to everywhere else
< 1353529952 944508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC edwardk has said Hackage came around right as he was about to give up on Haskell
< 1353529955 960288 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, UMMF?
< 1353529965 826846 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unofficial Murderous Maths Forum
< 1353529969 338 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now deserted
< 1353529976 817599 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, so you used internet before 2006?
< 1353529996 251511 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1353530012 843732 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take in mind, I was 11, 12?
< 1353530013 931425 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you used it back in 96 though?
< 1353530021 171116 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...probably not
< 1353530036 308305 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The earliest I remember using a computer would have been 98, I think
< 1353530051 510044 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the 28 kbit modem my dad got in either late 95 or early 96
< 1353530059 626307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think our university is going to be getting that 25 GB. :/ :/ :\ (Unless the Space Race is going to continue for a long long time.)
< 1353530087 930298 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Yay, now the puburl works. (Except that of course the .jpg isn't EXIF-autorotated, unlike it was when I "Share link"ed it. (It has a previewy kind of a thing.)) <-- that is because your browser fails
< 1353530120 382280 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what 25 GB?
< 1353530133 187383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 GB/s connection?
< 1353530140 777607 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be pretty cool
< 1353530141 280034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: 25 GB of dropbox space.
< 1353530145 92728 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353530156 625217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.dropbox.com/spacerace -- that thing.
< 1353530163 723412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a kind of a University-specific thing.
< 1353530168 697830 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh
< 1353530172 153121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least we're at the top of the Finland Leaderboard.
< 1353530185 654574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we were on the global top 10 for like several hours! 
< 1353530193 440682 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is the cost for 50 GB btw, as a private customer? It doesn't show it to me for some reason, just the 100 GB level
< 1353530216 504406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's all MIT and National University of Singapore and so on, they have a slight advantage in the number of students.
< 1353530220 895185 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is because I already get 50 GB from that promo that came with my phone
< 1353530227 663006 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did they remove the 50 GB level?
< 1353530246 383299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out where you can see those anyway.
< 1353530260 157582 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, there.
< 1353530268 843936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't show anything else than 100/200/500 for me either.
< 1353530272 602670 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1353530276 80758 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1353530283 706748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Open University is at #10 in the UK. That's a bit silly.
< 1353530359 16621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit disingenuous that the "Get free space!" link leads to a page where you can pay for space.
< 1353530368 134487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose it's still more "free space" as in empty.
< 1353530380 354836 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1353530408 672086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: surely types like "type IndexedTraversal i s t a b = forall f k. (Indexed i k, Applicative f) => k (a -> f b) (s -> f t)" must tempt you
< 1353530416 980105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could get a total of 3*125M for "connecting" Facebook and Twitter accounts and following Dropbox on Twitter.
< 1353530420 686648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't quite seem worth it.
< 1353530433 846019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : why does everyone leave the second we welcome them <-- with all the people who have left that way you'd think there should be enough for a big other kind of esoteric channel somewhere...
< 1353530460 446113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(last i asked the dalnet one was tiny)
< 1353530499 254069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: tempt me to run away screaming, you mean?
< 1353530707 697049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you all see http://blog.burtonthird.com/?p=81
< 1353530713 850035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but it's cool!! You can compose lenses with just function (.)
< 1353530721 938970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think this is really interesting enough to merit such a detailed writeup, but it's kinda amusing
< 1353530729 616026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i heard that
< 1353530737 594091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: and do things like both f (a,b) = (,) <$> f a <*> f b
< 1353530748 387489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ("abc", "def") % both .~ "q"
< 1353530750 258283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ("q","q")
< 1353530754 223863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ("abc", "def") ^. both
< 1353530756 168302 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "abcdef"
< 1353530823 298178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"First things first, we needed a way to automatically generate lots of email addresses.  They didn’t actually need to be MIT email addresses for us to earn points, but what fun would it be if they weren’t?  We’re fortunate that MIT keeps a relatively open network, so students are able to create their own @mit.edu mailing lists without any approval."
< 1353530823 483512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (%)
< 1353530824 890779 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> (a -> b) -> b
< 1353530826 635755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could possibly go wrong
< 1353530835 915846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Speaking of 25 Gbps network connections, I did hear a rumour that there was some kind of a project to start expanding the 10Gbps backbone further inside the computer science building. The 1Gbps switches are sometimes a bit overloaded when e.g. someone starts a 150-task Condor job and all those tasks attempt to fetch the same file over NFS.
< 1353530857 378224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ("abc", "def") % both %~ reverse
< 1353530859 338045 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ("cba","fed")
< 1353530859 716388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i guess you don't really need that Data.Ratio operator
< 1353530869 801695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's being renamed to (&) because of complaints about the overlap
< 1353530873 986682 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1353530879 241039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, these sysadm group meeting minutes are always so depressing. "Triton's MATLAB is broken. Triton's disk system needs more memory."
< 1353530881 530752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but (/) is a thing so I don't really like Data.Ratio's (%) anyway)
< 1353530890 327384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :& isn't already used?
< 1353530896 361893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1353530898 237949 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surprisingly, no
< 1353530903 893229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (&)
< 1353530904 211659 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude (&&) :: Bool -> Bool -> Bool
< 1353530904 508650 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Bool (&&) :: Bool -> Bool -> Bool
< 1353530904 653629 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Arrow (&&&) :: Arrow a => a b c -> a b c' -> a b (c, c')
< 1353530907 950110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1353530908 495005 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a bunch advocating (|>)
< 1353530910 740892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not helpful.
< 1353530916 292583 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that overlaps with Data.Sequence
< 1353530930 240505 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, "Condor job"?
< 1353530942 941969 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, also couldn't you use multicast to deal with that
< 1353530959 448274 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nfs probably doesn't do multicast
< 1353530984 682165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Condor is this "use idle time of regular workstations as a computation grid" queue/etc. system.
< 1353530986 286234 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well sure, but couldn't you replace it?
< 1353530996 186636 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah nice, is it open source?
< 1353530996 350288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The next issue was that we asked MIT’s network administrators how we could programmatically create lists, and they told us we couldn’t.  Making 30,000 mailing lists the next day probably wouldn’t look too good, so we came up with an alternative."
< 1353531006 64844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (&) = 1 in (&)
< 1353531007 865713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1353531022 317633 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353531033 735554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I believe it is, yes. We've got I think around 140 workstations, most of them quad-core Xeons, and there's usually quite a lot of idle capacity there.
< 1353531040 351241 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait, I want to read the context to that, where is it from?
< 1353531060 515862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HTCondor was formerly known as Condor; the name was changed in October 2012 to resolve a trademark lawsuit."
< 1353531063 985975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, heh.
< 1353531070 137637 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1353531085 157763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://blog.burtonthird.com/?p=81
< 1353531097 816592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which kmc linked above, many times the size of your scrollback ago
< 1353531129 12752 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah probably, I'm using a small laptop atm
< 1353531170 657362 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1353531177 777536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dropbox’s founder and MIT Alum, Drew Houston, tried to lessen our emotional damage by creating a “United States Leaderboard” where we still held the #1 position, but the damage was already done."
< 1353531185 2019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to think they also thought of us while doing that.
< 1353531189 214079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They probably didn't.)
< 1353531192 269168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I was hoping for some kind of story after the tech details. :/
< 1353531246 366001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353531433 851581 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353531565 451996 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, some interesting scams there
< 1353531585 127764 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully the hack was reverted
< 1353531729 955064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds more or less impossible to revert
< 1353531735 711505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they deserve it for initiative anyway
< 1353532336 758465 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what happened?
< 1353532356 102733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: rocks fell & everybody died
< 1353532386 630236 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scam MIT pulled off, something to do with Dropbox
< 1353532431 600982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: that was not terribly helpful :P
< 1353532446 877055 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although technically true
< 1353532447 849899 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353532462 345640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean the #haskell thing
< 1353532479 608705 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that
< 1353532485 997716 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One problem at a time
< 1353532509 157288 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It fixed his problem, but didn't answer why he had a problem
< 1353532511 799536 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, are people still in #haskell?
< 1353532523 903540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well his "problem" is that his GHC is broken
< 1353532529 533059 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1353532532 969795 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a big problem
< 1353532537 377555 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, at least me and elliott 
< 1353532560 480287 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mainly me
< 1353532607 870078 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes check out this "haskell" thing
< 1353532776 855495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no one goes there any more, it's too crowded
< 1353532813 417153 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's people who don't know what they're doing (eg, me) helping people who don't think they do
< 1353533001 935262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo that dropbox thing is not really a "hack"
< 1353533006 320461 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in either MIT or general usage
< 1353533035 937040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"check out this awesome hack where i got people to buy herbal viagra from me by automatically posting the link to a ton of blogs and wikis!"
< 1353533582 47032 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353534112 248422 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353534760 754938 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : well his "problem" is that his GHC is broken <-- how is it broken?
< 1353534769 334781 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, his GHC
< 1353534772 970738 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not GHC in general
< 1353534778 120166 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind, misread that
< 1353534847 98477 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well okay, whatever the terminology it is a scam
< 1353534969 398085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure elliott would be more than capable of arguing that ghc is broken, but would find it boring.  am i close?
< 1353535045 45669 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends what you mean by broken
< 1353535049 544398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has optimisations that break Haskell semantics
< 1353535108 279927 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that seems a bit silly
< 1353535119 124077 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :International Bakery http://www.itslenny.com/recording.php?file=de45d6e156191bbe92c872cab04c8824
< 1353535128 123594 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anything you would run into normally?
< 1353535143 195520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone ever been bitten in practice by build/foldr fusion theoretically not being compatible with seq?
< 1353535156 990398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that wasn't the example I was thinking of
< 1353535160 461569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, lens ran into it :)
< 1353535166 447082 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh?
< 1353535168 358811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, in an edge-case example
< 1353535173 710815 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1353535174 426445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the problem is that GHC does invalid eta-expansions
< 1353535185 589457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like its optimiser can equate f and (\x -> f x)
< 1353535189 716260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these are not the same in the presence of _|_
< 1353535194 147831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, parametricity not being entirely compatible)
< 1353535201 10758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because _|_ = _|_ but (\x -> _|_ x) =/= _|_
< 1353535210 672478 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to say that seemed sensible, but right, it is not in that case
< 1353535237 376420 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does ghc do that? Does it offer such a great speed advantage?
< 1353535292 233025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spj doesn't know of a way to get decent optimisation without it
< 1353535293 101316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so presumably
< 1353535299 149169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is about inlining and stuff I think
< 1353535301 562853 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1353535371 648306 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't personally think of a non-contrived way of running into that issue though... but I guess at least one of them exists.
< 1353535815 335998 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :night →
< 1353535984 944638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps forcing something of function type should be a n-oop
< 1353535987 474961 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no-op
< 1353535992 396872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would probably break other shit though
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< 1353536583 164532 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong Number http://www.itslenny.com/recording.php?file=7c89a6e66edca1256a35c7cb3bc6f794
< 1353536584 178510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means the code to evaluate an expression needs to _know_ whether it is a function type, which i don't think is currently the case
< 1353536638 381301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not in all cases
< 1353536643 474158 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PAP objects are known to have function type
< 1353536708 891493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is a FUN_*
< 1353536713 314392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and those are considered already whnf, are they not?
< 1353536735 126316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1353536840 801361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely suspect that keeping track of that information will be equivalent to reinstating the old Seq type class
< 1353536865 799838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the solution is the one older Haskell versions had
< 1353536876 61703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was dropped for bad reasons
< 1353536878 977243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just like fail not being in Monad)
< 1353536936 773439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is to put seq in a class
< 1353536944 605667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353536946 729573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :moreover however, you might very well _want_ to pre-compute a long evaluating resulting in a function.
< 1353536984 85506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true too
< 1353536993 145520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*evaluation
< 1353536995 368127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is a tale of musts over wants though :P
< 1353537006 245442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it would be convenient to put side-effects here..."
< 1353537018 229940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anyway it is safe to provide a *variant* of seq on functions, I think
< 1353537041 29172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume the old Seq class worked for functions too.
< 1353537050 655617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC: no.
< 1353537052 971534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was half the point
< 1353537221 443098 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1353537224 183742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, http://www.mat.uc.pt/~pedro/cientificos/funcional/haskell-report-1.4-html/basic.html#sect6.2.7
< 1353537226 932277 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-15-117.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1353537249 561598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/nope/yes it did/
< 1353537298 835234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1353537301 56533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is bad
< 1353537306 991354 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insurance Company http://www.itslenny.com/recording.php?file=c969235df6839ae39eb119d303bfa727
< 1353537310 580035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the solution is to not have an impure language
< 1353537349 771335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember the heap of haskell data types these days that are newtype wrappers over functions, it would be a total mess if seq couldn't be applied to any of them
< 1353537385 379418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not really
< 1353537397 660932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what causes the much-promoted "violation" of monad laws for Reader/IO/etc.
< 1353537406 622549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :standing by my real solution though
< 1353537445 141983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use a non-newtype newtype-like data to do that
< 1353537456 388105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a hack
< 1353537471 353104 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1353537474 423243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more importantly that's slow :p
< 1353537511 277751 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
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< 1353538801 265060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ?
< 1353538810 605523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1353538859 452060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh.
< 1353538861 851946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, not standard.
< 1353538868 663937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the difference is that one gives you a list.
< 1353538915 38306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1353539145 699122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sumOf _1 ("hello","there")
< 1353539148 5185 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "hello"
< 1353539159 479473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ("hi","monqy")^.. both
< 1353539161 567969 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["hi","monqy"]
< 1353539170 953581 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> _1
< 1353539172 977340 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Ambiguous type variables `s0', `t0', `a0', `b0' in the constraint:
< 1353539173 282710 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   (Cont...
< 1353539179 926917 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t _1
< 1353539181 415108 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f, Field1 s t a b) => (a -> f b) -> s -> f t
< 1353539187 363431 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help
< 1353539199 406834 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of type variables
< 1353539207 485254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty alongside
< 1353539209 184330 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => LensLike (Control.Lens.Internal.Context a b) s t a b -> LensLike (Control.Lens.Internal.Context a' b') s' t' a' b' -> ((a, a') -> f (b, b')) -> (s, s') -> f (t, t')
< 1353539212 934634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1353539214 791687 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp
< 1353539369 267805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "whoa, dude"
< 1353539375 567081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "what would it even mean"
< 1353539381 330532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To have a Traversal with Monad.)
< 1353539395 846925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I've wondered about that and haven't come up with anything interesting.)
< 1353539469 18490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get johnw's point
< 1353539476 847026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't either.
< 1353539544 971222 :dedis3!~dedis3@akw403.cs.yale.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353539618 702310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I get it even less
< 1353539638 202641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"even less than "not""
< 1353539647 517912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :""knot" getting it??"
< 1353539674 847019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a good way of saying "I don't want to change the subject because I'm confused"
< 1353539864 143687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How do you feel about DeriveFunctor?
< 1353539889 352628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the point was that he didn't know not every functor was applicative
< 1353539905 719240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or
< 1353539906 419713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not
< 1353539907 967676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still confused
< 1353540133 181353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/7436
< 1353540153 784577 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thachaf
< 1353540193 15858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"very surprised" "Truly bizarre" -- Simon Peyton Jones, Haskell implementor
< 1353540374 122792 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :from Microsoft™
< 1353540473 998043 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what he said about the exponential time instances
< 1353540485 93663 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/1544
< 1353540537 185614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I like how all the progress on this bug has been changing the milestone for every release.
< 1353540549 14358 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hackage gread
< 1353540549 348063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/gread
< 1353540557 641806 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hackage greads
< 1353540558 30012 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/greads
< 1353540570 51292 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hackage greadses
< 1353540570 362940 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/greadses
< 1353540711 11923 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle GRead
< 1353540711 560414 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Generics.Text gread :: Data a => ReadS a
< 1353540711 872395 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :package bytestringreadp
< 1353540712 17806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Posix.IO NonBlockingRead :: FdOption
< 1353540724 290566 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hackage ChristmasTree
< 1353540724 647974 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/ChristmasTree
< 1353540734 334989 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the worst package name ever
< 1353540746 942822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Changing Haskell's Read Implementation Such That by Mainpulating ASTs it Reads Expressions Efficiently
< 1353540761 593967 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, really?
< 1353540767 774396 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really.
< 1353540777 863259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :backronym of the year
< 1353540786 404323 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1353540899 154894 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :christmaree
< 1353540904 211319 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1353540917 78401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that is the best package name in the history of civilization
< 1353540931 847015 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353540937 548473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a great backronym
< 1353540944 991046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is grammatical and does not cherry pick letters very much
< 1353540946 187240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like "asT" -> AST
< 1353540962 833105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :inventing cool acronyms requires unusual skill
< 1353540972 547515 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!
< 1353541017 886408 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a reference?  I swear I've seen that joke before
< 1353541019 185275 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1353541089 909461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan early rises: just another noodle
< 1353541255 214684 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very amusing, gleefully inventing neat acronyms.
< 1353541265 682990 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember last time i did this
< 1353541281 544377 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :irltidt?
< 1353541285 370294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impotent oxen noodling
< 1353541292 636775 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about me
< 1353541294 205935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :noodles: good for acronyms
< 1353541318 639421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: sorry, i got stuck finding something giving "deja vu"
< 1353541334 603479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.humblebundle.com/double-fine
< 1353541343 617729 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elephant libel litigation impinges on theatric traits
< 1353541363 817783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: please, hoover, a noodley tell-tale oratory making hinders only ocular veracity, evaporating reason
< 1353541377 81269 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor
< 1353541382 983049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: fuck you
< 1353541402 560140 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, should i pay
< 1353541422 379119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: attention or money
< 1353541428 896613 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either
< 1353541429 780454 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both
< 1353541492 271615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"who nose"
< 1353541502 272285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: künstlerroman, makes child
< 1353541535 357882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much to work with but i tried
< 1353541557 747074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least you avoided any strained words
< 1353541634 648790 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :significant hassling 'alarming' correspondents; harming a friend?
< 1353541703 949054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :freaky indecency: zany Zulu impales elephant
< 1353541710 611947 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
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< 1353541754 42267 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (`lookup`zip['a'..'z'](['n'..'z']++['a'..]) "shachaf"
< 1353541755 843976 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  :1:58: parse error (possibly incorrect indentation)
< 1353541760 706433 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (`lookup`zip['a'..'z'](['n'..'z']++['a'..])) "shachaf"
< 1353541762 848496 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [Just 'f',Just 'u',Just 'n',Just 'p',Just 'u',Just 'n',Just 's']
< 1353541794 735096 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle lookup
< 1353541795 187639 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude lookup :: Eq a => a -> [(a, b)] -> Maybe b
< 1353541795 502346 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List lookup :: Eq a => a -> [(a, b)] -> Maybe b
< 1353541795 647795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.HashTable lookup :: HashTable key val -> key -> IO (Maybe val)
< 1353541829 538535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: non is making it into lens, though.
< 1353541837 630060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bad though
< 1353541839 870089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iso (Maybe a) a
< 1353541844 189483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what could go wrong"
< 1353541858 665197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told edwardk i don't like it
< 1353541860 99442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and filtering
< 1353541866 314975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :filtering is good
< 1353541871 865429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just not a traversal.
< 1353541877 371202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right so its type signature is wrong
< 1353541878 318974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is bad
< 1353541893 809657 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also told him I hated _head! but then I thought of a solution to that and he told me to open an issue
< 1353541895 348587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess I will
< 1353542519 226707 :dedis3!~dedis3@akw403.cs.yale.edu QUIT :K-Lined
< 1353542675 130348 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1353542883 22557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "Why is selective function import a part of the language and not a part of the compiler process?"
< 1353542909 990064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't bug kmc with #haskell annoyances, elliott.
< 1353543100 134808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you hear::
< 1353543107 213589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :toListOf "recently got upgraded"
< 1353543117 837240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353543132 270775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"old defn:"
< 1353543149 221106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :toListOf l s = foldMapOf l return
< 1353543186 764319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the Endo thing
< 1353543202 751111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"new defn:"
< 1353543208 928588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :toListOf l = foldrOf l (:) []
< 1353543213 376116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t toListOf
< 1353543214 782163 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting [a] s t a b -> s -> [a]
< 1353543811 387787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :künstlerroman is a good word
< 1353543823 878636 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :story of an artist, right?
< 1353544106 802410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eah
< 1353544107 735254 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353544118 146037 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353544489 859011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi
< 1353544496 573497 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1353544624 614775 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nomqy
< 1353544766 392736 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my only nose, quickly yanked!
< 1353545426 84024 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :better get another
< 1353545649 360865 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bga?
< 1353546223 7254 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy 
< 1353546252 397306 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile in Finland http://dublimat.blogspot.ch/2012/11/9-year-old-girl-prosecuted-for-piratism.html
< 1353546258 697449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh, now i understand why you said the other channel was talking backwards
< 1353546262 909903 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"piratism", that's new
< 1353546299 443664 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :An easy mistake, piracy is “piratismi” in Finnish and many loanwords from English pretty much just have an additional “i” in the end.
< 1353546309 412295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.google.com/search?q=meanwhile+in+finland&tbm=isch
< 1353546309 757232 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, heh.
< 1353546315 118208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "od ot gniht looc eht sti"
< 1353546383 493560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the joke seems to be "finland is cold"
< 1353546593 764194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe finnish people are also bad drivers???
< 1353546603 924232 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and alcoholics
< 1353546604 622537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Finnish people were good drivers.
< 1353546623 381461 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: no any image with such joke is automatically converted to "meanwhile in russia"
< 1353546651 579485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to see pictures of people doing esoteric programming in saunas
< 1353546902 238224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Isn't any kind of programming esoteric if you do it in a sauna?
< 1353547046 18646 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353547557 605481 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1353548316 538071 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :(using fingers to indicate triangular shape) SMELL SMELL SMELL GOOD NEW NEW NEW slice drink MATCH SPARKLER (thrown in air) STARS STARS STARS the good news is, /usr/bin/make-loud-noises works. the bad news is, I think I just woke everyone up. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1353548335 634283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :(using fingers to indicate triangular shape) SMELL SMELL SMELL GOOD NEW NEW NEW slice drink MATCH SPARKLER (thrown in air) STARS STARS STARS | the good news is, /usr/bin/make-loud-noises works. the bad news is, I think I just woke everyone up. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1353548560 544607 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate this whole "supervillain team-up" thing
< 1353548584 48353 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trust and senator kinsey were bad, the goa'uld were bad, therefore kinsey and the trust have become goa'uld
< 1353548616 665902 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353548625 364101 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the jaffa garrek is bad, the ori are bad, thus garrek becomes a prayer of the ori
< 1353548649 745024 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like they have no free will, no personality, no nothing, they are just "the bad guys"
< 1353548724 819009 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1353548753 244819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1353548784 159753 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why no replicator has been infected by a goa'uld yet
< 1353548854 362400 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when they were first introduced I thought they had a lot of potential
< 1353548893 660674 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but every episode where they appeared basically was "the replicators almost took over the galaxy, but we managed to destroy them all at the last minute"
< 1353548920 687463 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you have an enemy whose attribute is that it can replicate and evolve
< 1353548931 970226 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning you can do *anything* with it
< 1353548954 116233 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they did try that little "take human form" thingy but once again they blew it really fast
< 1353548974 25672 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh hey look at my sonic disruptor"
< 1353549072 858598 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully some of them were left on the asgard's galaxy and they can come back in season 9 or 10
< 1353549288 540044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's a thing where you hack a website but only change the content seen by Googlebot
< 1353549300 375390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you game pagerank without the admin finding out
< 1353549336 472692 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about programming in saunas, or about replicators?
< 1353549348 938768 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't seen that?  sometimes you see the weirdest shit in the meta tags
< 1353549388 156946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meta Tags Say The Darndest Things
< 1353549388 404218 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353549608 179555 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no input in MURIEL? :(
< 1353549712 641419 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ~ works
< 1353550176 514090 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353552717 153586 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-149-29.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353553191 867385 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-26.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353554048 665405 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, it's spelled "prior", not "prayer"??
< 1353554093 789472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prior is spelled prior
< 1353554096 75662 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prayer is spelled prayer
< 1353554101 838946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1353554455 635638 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to be confused with prier
< 1353554458 80009 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet
< 1353555081 269768 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thanks, elliott 
< 1353555085 872964 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I understand
< 1353556161 726632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1353556168 930262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1353556181 252281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I took my computer out of the bag and it was off.
< 1353556294 758679 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1353556415 282942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I find out why?
< 1353556433 218167 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353556600 480382 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anal probes
< 1353556640 931334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, PDFs are working in my browsers again.
< 1353556644 520200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So not all was lost.
< 1353556844 14998 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-26.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1353557273 844215 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353557415 273911 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1353557847 75538 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Java reflection slow?
< 1353557865 375182 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm considering creating closures in order to avoid repeatedly performing reflection
< 1353558274 465611 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that was intended for #clojure
< 1353558304 591971 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : It depends on how fast it turns around and sees itself.
< 1353558402 478357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, mosh is written in C/C++?
< 1353558405 576308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was C++
< 1353558598 175940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are actually some files compiled as C
< 1353558600 6000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... there were
< 1353558627 126838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's Android mosh doing?
< 1353558628 557084 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353558647 567692 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353558656 838813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder what's going on with the ConnectBot annoyance I'm encountering.
< 1353559314 297317 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this person who says that grepping for malloc and free is sufficient to security audit C code is scaring me
< 1353559325 4249 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1353559338 850353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Silly person.
< 1353559342 292235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to grep for realloc too
< 1353559344 7076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And strdup
< 1353559346 323177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all sorts of things.
< 1353559360 9324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that it's "barely a security hole at all" if a server you log into can attack the machine you logged in from
< 1353559378 974616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but not alloca because it's automatic, am i right?
< 1353559415 804987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Was this person talking about C or C++?
< 1353559427 753883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ but they actually included new and delete too
< 1353559447 57646 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean these days nobody has any business logging into any shared server
< 1353559455 687385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should spin up a new VM in the cloud for every program you ever want to run
< 1353559493 759322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the idea that an operating system should provide some kind of security or fault isolation or any usable service at all is just laughable
< 1353559523 10068 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone knows that's the job of the hypervisor.
< 1353559527 97553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1353559537 316997 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see the OS is insecure because it's a bunch of hairy C code
< 1353559543 681437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the hypervisor, now that's a bunch of hairy C code
< 1353559549 124384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's probably fine
< 1353560017 702214 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353560137 988367 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1353560174 492913 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Gateship. It's a ship. It goes through the gate!
< 1353560246 799771 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet
< 1353561638 513514 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-149-29.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353563273 991394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I had another idea for devious code
< 1353563305 508556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a latex package which does something useful but also exfiltrates your SSH private key through slight adjustments in the positions of letters
< 1353563325 686948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since no one reads TeX code?
< 1353563346 584877 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could probably be well-commented as doing that, in fact.
< 1353563351 893830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1353563372 418444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know Firefox will let a .html file read files in the current directory?
< 1353563374 192098 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think it would be more fun to bury it inside the kind of incomprehensible gibberish one expects to see in a latex package
< 1353563378 51042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: woah, how's that?
< 1353563392 449913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. if you $ cd; wget evil.html; firefox evil.html, it can see your SSH key.
< 1353563396 272746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a proof of concept somewhere.
< 1353563402 686630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awful
< 1353563420 828872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just lets your XMLHttpRequest() it!
< 1353563425 894239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they don't consider that a bug.
< 1353563428 521319 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also make it open that tab from a website
< 1353563438 309403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but the file needs to be on your disk.
< 1353563438 842143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do an xhr to a file:// url?
< 1353563440 523247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1353563448 459261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just XHR to a relative path.
< 1353563465 16246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should be pretty easy social engineering of something people wouldn't generally consider dangerous
< 1353563478 925023 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact
< 1353563479 495773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1353563487 470216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of people set ~ as the default download directory right?
< 1353563513 465169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could serve this html file as application/octet-stream, it gets downloaded automatically, and then you navigate to it
< 1353563520 307158 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think this actually requires no user interaction :(
< 1353563525 657457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slbkbs.org/evil.html
< 1353563535 523486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me just download this to my home directory to inspect it
< 1353563535 939673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hmm...
< 1353563573 145296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things get downloaded to ~/Downloads by default in most browsers, I think.
< 1353563597 194244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I hadn't considered that aspect.
< 1353563625 402623 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well first dumb question: can you use ../
< 1353563666 282814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1353563783 108327 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353563790 117974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can at minimum read any file in your downloads directory
< 1353563794 349685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just by you clicking a link i construct
< 1353563797 771533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have autodownload, yes.
< 1353563801 163206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can't list the directory.
< 1353563815 202873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by knowing the path to your downloads directory, maybe
< 1353563829 680141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can file:/// use ~?
< 1353563843 997206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like not.
< 1353563876 744340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you ask the user to upload a file, do you get that file's path on disk?
< 1353563887 708516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chrome sends C:\fakepath\something
< 1353563893 9331 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about ff
< 1353563913 902009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you report this as a bug in firefox?
< 1353563929 157672 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353564016 287603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I talked to someone who worked at Mozilla about it and he agreed it was a bug, but I don't know if anything came of that.
< 1353564020 263972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not a bug.
< 1353564026 842406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He agreed it was a security issue.
< 1353564032 521019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is pretty well-known, though.
< 1353564060 776825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't work in Chrome when I tried.
< 1353564086 544197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should file a bug.
< 1353564101 473397 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1353564149 87318 :rivalslayer!~arijit@115.115.154.165 PART :#esoteric
< 1353564182 216737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you should
< 1353564327 463786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at least documented to work that way; http://kb.mozillazine.org/Security.fileuri.strict_origin_policy "True: Local documents have access to other local documents in the same directory and in subdirectories, but not directory listings. (Default)"
< 1353564400 133888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, this is considered pretty well-known and expected behavior in Firefox, as far as I could tell.
< 1353564760 403764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1353564784 393733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All those "this CD has an index.html which uses resources from the disc" things would perhaps bork if you enforced an even stricter thing.
< 1353565092 610791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=40787 -- it's not like Chrome's way is exactly popular either, apparently.
< 1353565811 818638 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353565886 459699 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HERE'S A FUN GAME: Find a YouTube video on the semi-recent scientific discovery of Neanderthal genes in modern humans, and see how many clicks through related videos it takes to get to something incredibly, intensely racist.
< 1353565892 979002 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALL TIME HIGH: 1
< 1353565934 680403 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1353566083 145538 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't have enough alcohol at hand for that.
< 1353566098 665033 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's not a drinking game, but it's needed.
< 1353566151 634414 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D
< 1353567015 474394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think instead i will watch some youtube videos of trains running down the middle of the street
< 1353567426 254260 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1353567765 542050 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353567779 159244 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353570100 798170 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1353570337 450107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/ekmett/lens/commit/7ec5e55c130093ad3f3428da12f866453d9f8412
< 1353570342 550492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: See what you made me do!
< 1353570389 896589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is the first time I've run into a type problem such that the easiest "legitimate" solution to it is to add unsafeCoerce.
< 1353570404 864396 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
< 1353570649 218373 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353570683 124970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The purpose of this chapter is to expose the student to the use of pointer data types in the C and C++ language. Pointers are the most advanced feature of the C/C++ programming language and serve to set the language apart from other languages.
< 1353570724 359674 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you reading
< 1353570735 595316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i dont even know"
< 1353570749 376195 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes but beyond that
< 1353570791 684088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The words you are now reading are the words I am now typing.
< 1353570817 86206 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa
< 1353570906 396123 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353570990 184174 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1353570990 367658 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353571137 213041 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, Fiora asixifour
< 1353571179 513538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: https://github.com/ekmett/lens/commit/7ec5e55c130093ad3f3428da12f866453d9f8412
< 1353571184 203967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"look what u made me do monqy"
< 1353571235 409759 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf.............................
< 1353571241 194014 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no........................................
< 1353571350 183510 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1353573127 376482 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1353574041 709637 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1353574044 66882 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: dead
< 1353574074 547085 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1353574229 901307 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353575285 987145 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353575861 436469 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out the apartment had cheese and I just didn't know where it was
< 1353575955 822039 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353576015 262097 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353576583 346839 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1353577371 978751 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353577405 850638 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353577462 230404 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353578034 390158 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've got a test on hyperbolic trig in about half an hour
< 1353578055 101277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just add 'h' after everything, right? 
< 1353578069 542907 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much
< 1353578658 133560 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353578848 74756 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1353581649 994106 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet
< 1353582973 295122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353583739 194827 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
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< 1353584335 124148 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1353586821 423493 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: nice
< 1353586974 180865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Even better: The comment is wrong.
< 1353586979 632108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can segfault using that code.
< 1353587171 613676 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1353587212 511290 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : think this sounds about ready for inclusion in the Platform.
< 1353587215 470169 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I
< 1353587245 246892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Look, I suggested EvilBazaar as a *joke*
< 1353587255 214011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk was the one to tell me to push it.
< 1353587349 158244 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have called it UnsafeBazaar
< 1353587354 929649 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the Grand Bazaar in Istanbul
< 1353587389 60692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unsafe" is taken.
< 1353587396 165349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a function called unsafeEvilOuts now.
< 1353587412 861975 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like an exorcism
< 1353587965 216691 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Skype™ Version 4.1.0.20 Copyright 2003-2012 Skype and/or Microsoft” and/or
< 1353588039 877263 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there was a bit they both made together
< 1353588059 744083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: So when people say monads are like boxes, what they really mean is that monads are covariant.
< 1353588069 575318 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe saying "and" would be wrong and "or" would look stupid
< 1353588080 960238 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are comonads variant?
< 1353588088 296121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, comonads are also covariant.
< 1353588198 64642 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I say "Monads are like boxes", I generally mean they're pointed
< 1353588210 65705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean?
< 1353588234 82881 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has a "return" or "pure" type functions
< 1353588241 1963 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-s
< 1353588249 921728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which does what?
< 1353588258 481507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trouble with Pointed is that it doesn't mean that much.
< 1353588302 310537 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it really doesn't
< 1353588308 881939 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither does having a box
< 1353588332 322208 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm like a box, you can put stuff in me
< 1353588367 622424 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean I'm a monad?
< 1353588368 471306 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1353588818 800929 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts stuff into atriq and draws x out of him.
< 1353588832 660672 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, I just ate!
< 1353588871 781517 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION joins atriq who ate atriq who ate x.
< 1353590757 649101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, a gastroscopy isn't really all that much fun.
< 1353590823 268386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing you said that, i had one booked next tuesday
< 1353590859 225888 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *sounds( fun.
< 1353590861 437594 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*
< 1353590882 850104 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the thing where they put a camera in your belly?
< 1353590887 385321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1353590909 806596 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you feel like a right tit now
< 1353590918 147140 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you get to keep the tape afterwards?
< 1353590924 616912 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"why did i ever think this would be enjoyable"
< 1353590932 970988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a tube; it's got a camera and some kind of a pincer for taking samples.
< 1353590969 819446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no; I would've gotten stills if there had been anything interesting to look at.
< 1353590985 730477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But apparently I've got a boring stomach.
< 1353591049 845037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are you doing anything to liven it up
< 1353591077 803318 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, they didn't have any suggestions.
< 1353591159 39809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waste of taxpayer money
< 1353591166 242876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll go put some food in it, though; had to keep it empty for the "fun".
< 1353592184 935318 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-49.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353592875 479550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether the worst thing about #haskell is the newcomers or the regulars.
< 1353592879 249425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just hate everyboddy.
< 1353592891 146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION = h8r
< 1353593115 24924 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :∴ h8r = shachaf
< 1353593459 960567 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note to self: "install" has an s in it
< 1353593487 177596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh?
< 1353593498 151366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure none of the three characters in that word are 's'
< 1353593510 231860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1353593510 924981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :n
< 1353593512 48719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1353593514 790305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope, no 's'
< 1353593554 471810 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1353593586 903479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Hexham like this time of year?
< 1353593588 314993 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353593670 208118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353593677 581412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's always Hexvember at Hexham.
< 1353593732 174827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit
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< 1353593756 998307 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1353593829 125240 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that should be hexember
< 1353593917 810181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1353594161 82337 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1353594201 97586 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enhance? http://fi3.eu.apcdn.com/full/89448.png
< 1353594265 340533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computer, enhance!
< 1353594548 795893 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1353595069 580525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Stephen Elop is Pole Nehpets backwards.
< 1353595111 227154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 Stephen Elop
< 1353595111 971747 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fgrcura Rybc
< 1353595138 745671 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is...
< 1353595152 105754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cbyr arucrgf backwards!
< 1353595157 173593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no!
< 1353595157 997048 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1353595176 498395 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 cbyr arucrgf
< 1353595178 299000 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pole nehpets
< 1353595182 367880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1353595182 812908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but what is it forwards
< 1353595184 389520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How!?
< 1353595204 48894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I bet you could get a commutative diagram out of this.
< 1353595208 542407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe a couple of PhDs.
< 1353595236 324276 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i email my tutor or would he just steal my brilliance
< 1353595266 157018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :publihs yourslef
< 1353595268 403036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :on arxiv
< 1353595329 549693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Publish yourself, on pamphles distributed from a soggy cardboard box on campus.
< 1353595340 689374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The more prestiguous way.)
< 1353595395 371227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure you talk about how your discovery revolutionizes the field.
< 1353595401 755854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also renders Einstein obsolete.
< 1353595416 671817 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can be the next wolfram!
< 1353595424 855510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a well-known (FSVO) Finnish physics crackpot who used to self-publish books and potter around on university campusi.
< 1353595449 137382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :His book was called (translated title) "Ether vortices".
< 1353595459 121164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a well-known British author who used to publish books and potter.
< 1353595463 351848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :*At the same time*, man.
< 1353595564 934583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauko_Armas_Nieminen   oo, notable.
< 1353595584 826737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The infobox photo is nice.
< 1353595912 551000 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how neutral that article is
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< 1353598389 627803 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
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< 1353600499 436028 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/aAY28.png
< 1353600582 720942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ((TRUE ? "a" : TRUE) ? "b" : "c"), right? 
< 1353600588 123591 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1353600600 449425 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, with automatic coercion of anything into a boolean.
< 1353600677 62148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one is a bit lamely obvious
< 1353600677 341737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1353600683 268307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the only difference a precedence change from C
< 1353600687 704857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1353600689 264012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :associativity change
< 1353600700 216145 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The problem isn’t the associativity change, it’s the lack of a type error.
< 1353600700 793263 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/C/all other languages with a ternary operator/, but yes
< 1353600711 107206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: re message: indeed, that sugar was what I had in mind
< 1353600717 976061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd be willing to accept another syntax until -XIdiomBrackets is a thing :P
< 1353600729 316252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you wouldn't get that type error in C anyway
< 1353600742 899469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a" ? "b" : "c" works fine in C, I'm sure
< 1353600771 559623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, should've done that hex parsing one
< 1353600783 288363 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where 0x0 +2 equals 4
< 1353600839 866262 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :("a" ? 1 : "c") is likely to give you a warning, though.
< 1353600894 187204 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, C is the shining example of a great type system, no need to compare to anything other.
< 1353600938 349228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random trivia for today: R7RS (draft) Scheme has six (6) different {quotient,remainder} function pairs. That should shut up the people complaining that R5RS's {quotient,remainder,modulo} triplet lacks the version of quotient corresponding to 'modulo'.
< 1353600940 2411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well complaining that PHP is no stronger-typed than C, Java (I think? not sure how it behaves here), JavaScript, Ruby, Python, and a trillion other languages seems a weaker argument than associativity... nobody is expecting PHP to be Haskell :P
< 1353600950 913524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java is stricter.
< 1353600998 107759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't get a default "!= 0" for numbers or "!= null" for reference types; bools need to be actual bools.
< 1353601193 631059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The six types are {ceiling,floor,truncate,round,euclidean,centered}{/,-quotient,-remainder}.)
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< 1353601241 472295 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/zYaya4
< 1353602020 553578 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353602223 644944 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In PHP 5.2.11 that evaluates to true, in PHP 5.3.8 it evaluates to false and in PHP 5.4.8 it evaluates to true. So… == takes whether the version’s minor number is even into account?
< 1353602554 390478 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The guy testing with 5.3.8 made a mistake. PHP is still absurd, but it’s consistent. :-P
< 1353602952 549817 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353604180 472637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh #haskell
< 1353604204 729792 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, plot twist: Marr is DMM
< 1353604227 872490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plot twist: pile-on 10-channel conflicting explanations help nobody
< 1353604240 797409 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saw that one coming a mile off
< 1353604244 508163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't have contributed to it by saying anything
< 1353604248 556562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suck
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< 1353604665 311041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: dispatches from #haskell:  Sooo about that " Halting Problem"...when you think about it, it really is possible to create a program that detects infinite loops   you just have to define what infinite is, right?
< 1353604754 949127 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's strictly speaking true, but also completely useless
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< 1353605922 945597 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Marr as in that idiot who was on B some time ago?
< 1353605929 169806 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or was it Agora?)
< 1353606395 963638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :B?
< 1353606426 633403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead online nomic game
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< 1353606734 681068 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :M P Darke, in B
< 1353606782 494892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tocatta and fugue in B
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< 1353607767 189112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh, atriq, elliott said he'd be interested in starting a succession game
< 1353607782 851363 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another one? But it's late winter!
< 1353607793 134923 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Talk to me, I'll read it when I get back
< 1353607903 800853 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, he said he'd be up for it
< 1353607961 21824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be fun to not use danger rooms, i think
< 1353608026 527554 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :marksdorfs actually train at archery ranges in the new version, combine that with ballistas and intelligent trap placement and i think you could have a good passive defence
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< 1353608156 34201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but if we don't have soldiers how will we invade hell
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< 1353608399 106801 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i dropping all the goddamn time
< 1353609068 356840 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, we shall flood it!
< 1353609074 922088 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With cats!
< 1353609150 237546 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“// in case /dev/urandom is reusing entropy from its pool, let's add a bit more entropy” *adds more entropy for crypto with a Mersenne twister* “$entropy .= uniqid(mt_rand(), true);” http://toys.lerdorf.com/archives/55-Writing-an-OAuth-Provider-Service.html (Rasmus Lerdorf, the creator of PHP)
< 1353609336 745605 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, elliott, Phantom___Hoover, I'm game
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< 1353609830 756551 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For encryption and related stuff
< 1353609836 759514 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never, ever, use /dev/urandom
< 1353609863 878961 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :freefull: It’s okay if you add entropy on top of it with a PRNG.
< 1353609902 808842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR it is actually fine to use /dev/urandom in many cryptographic scenarios.
< 1353609919 29693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is to say someone who sounded credible said that once on LWN and I read it
< 1353609940 875870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :received wisdom being wrong is cool so I am obligated to believe it
< 1353610103 5329 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1353610117 286040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: the urandom(4) man page says "As a general rule, /dev/urandom should be used for everything except long-lived GPG/SSL/SSH keys."
< 1353610145 188964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bam I was right!!!
< 1353610147 496786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :take that received wisdom
< 1353610154 416754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go cry with received punctuation
< 1353610217 627450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of cryptographic uses of randomness besides long-lived public/private key pairs
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< 1353611093 492688 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, go start/continue/whatever the succession fort!
< 1353611202 909913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you
< 1353611205 670836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't want me to start it
< 1353611208 561673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask Phantom___Hoover about forts I start
< 1353611217 479404 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1353611223 626080 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens to forts you start
< 1353611224 982167 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask atriq about always being ready for a challenge
< 1353611235 944914 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I will
< 1353611248 461662 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask atriq What about always being ready for a challenge?
< 1353611248 825037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself!
< 1353611252 881499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1353611255 248160 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can!
< 1353611256 121627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could start it but
< 1353611259 388132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't played df in many months
< 1353611262 777438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it might not even survive a year
< 1353611313 192852 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it will be the BEST SUCCESSION FORT EVERY
< 1353611316 684776 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-Y
< 1353611326 81429 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1353611327 209320 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover
< 1353611328 920566 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think
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< 1353611361 689404 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this fucking connection
< 1353611366 632438 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes go for it
< 1353611380 340804 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the more horrifying the better
< 1353611425 163796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright but
< 1353611428 600754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know not what you ask for
< 1353611430 414484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1353611432 656485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i start it a bit later
< 1353611434 42716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like not right now
< 1353611443 667750 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine
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< 1353613511 6891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh, things that are not the same: 360° range servo, continuous rotation servo
< 1353613520 305730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: 90° range, "90 degrees of freedom"
< 1353613594 658380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, 90 degrees of freedom.
< 1353613658 628455 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, right?
< 1353613703 122000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's some kind of a really complicated and redundant arm thing.
< 1353613793 561569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe an octopus arm
< 1353613826 216444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :octopuses don't have proprioception of their arms because they have too many degrees of freedom
< 1353613838 499983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead the octopus just kind of gives high level instructions to the arms
< 1353613843 660753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then can use its eyes to see what the arms do
< 1353613884 478661 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite degrees of freedom, according to some random paper
< 1353613918 540683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that sounds cool
< 1353613920 910374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I was an octopus
< 1353613940 164916 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can be, with the magic of technology!
< 1353613950 721309 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite degrees? that doesn't make sense, I think
< 1353613990 331343 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 'cos of muscular hydrostats, I guess
< 1353614598 136777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, anything with a finite number of particles can't have infinite degrees of positional freedom
< 1353614612 650057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an approximation i guess
< 1353614627 169941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like saying a rope has infinite degrees
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< 1353618226 251968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think this is the first time I've run into a type problem such that the easiest "legitimate" solution to it is to add unsafeCoerce.
< 1353618245 257812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you ever upload your type-threaded version of Data.Sequence?
< 1353618257 537275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems relevant
< 1353618358 165219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turned out to already exist but slightly different iir
< 1353618358 546805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :c
< 1353618374 742623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unsafeCoerce in reflection also comes to mind, but "legitimate" is not a word i would use for that...
< 1353618378 442795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah.
< 1353618408 666532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey, you're illegitimate!
< 1353618419 648995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1353618434 497680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well by some ancient definitions...
< 1353618447 779669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i was born about a month after my parents married)
< 1353618517 8860 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was probably born a considerable time after your parents married
< 1353618559 80207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: and divorced, for that matter
< 1353618693 448312 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh
< 1353618873 400868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: cannot find it on hackage, anyway
< 1353618892 205759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thrist
< 1353618893 401895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc
< 1353618910 154973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i know about thrist.  i don't consider that the same at all.
< 1353619009 15016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it was basically identical when i compared things
< 1353619054 87171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the part i considered interesting was how you combined thrist with Data.Sequence by simply using unsafeCoerce instead of redefining Seq
< 1353619066 290801 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I didn't redefine Seq?
< 1353619079 193697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm I didn't did I
< 1353619081 583678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not internally, no
< 1353619082 647513 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe I can find the code
< 1353619222 407534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what was your problem?
< 1353619241 57708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason i don't consider the unsafeCoerce in reflection legitimate is that it's using accidents of similar representation, not just the guaranteed properties of unsafeCoerce
< 1353619251 466612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"legitimate"
< 1353619267 144532 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353619268 156962 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353619272 776383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know
< 1353619274 295933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still
< 1353619277 159296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hey waht's up
< 1353619291 53763 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1353619291 426360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 6 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1353619295 207690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :8)
< 1353619301 325299 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1353619301 605968 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 7 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1353619306 204285 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sent lambdabot a @messages
< 1353619306 547081 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 8 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1353619311 425807 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott this is cheating
< 1353619311 788169 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 9 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1353619318 451863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :8   -     )
< 1353619350 88420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  Turns out the apartment had cheese and I just didn't know where it was
< 1353619361 484656 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :868)  Turns out the apartment had cheese and I just didn't know where it was
< 1353619365 819749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what a coincidence
< 1353619366 585726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353619368 94616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353619369 569136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353619371 68729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353619371 896780 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :60)  if a girl is that cute, i don't care how many penises she has
< 1353619372 681029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353619375 716218 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :100)  if you claim that the universe is more than 3D the burden of proof is on you to produce a klien bottle that doesn't self intersect    ^ I learned that trick from atheists
< 1353619377 253290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm?
< 1353619381 286555 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :854)  t   y   also i didn't say t\ny on purpose, i just accidentally hit the keyboard with my head
< 1353619381 514445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nothing
< 1353619396 678355 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :435)  That offers me some social standing, feudal system wise
< 1353619397 490662 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :174)  HOT SEXY SEX BITS
< 1353619409 436489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 174 and 435 are both pretty bad
< 1353619422 378911 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :174 is good
< 1353619425 349853 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hot sexy sex bits offer me some social standing, feudal system wise
< 1353619486 669211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :has the many-nicked one been seen lately
< 1353619488 900157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 174 is undeletable, sorry
< 1353619489 45880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Problem?
< 1353619491 825689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(soupdragon etc.)
< 1353619494 649770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no
< 1353619514 639179 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what makes it undeletable?
< 1353619518 997335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1353619521 333503 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, are we doing the five quotes thing again!
< 1353619521 629004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know how to explain it to you
< 1353619522 841328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you try
< 1353619529 414149 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant
< 1353619531 336057 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its undeletable
< 1353619533 751223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 435
< 1353619537 524378 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooo!
< 1353619537 982264 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  That offers me some social standing, feudal system wise
< 1353619539 756144 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My legacy!
< 1353619541 962810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i woul dhave done 854 btw
< 1353619550 294635 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is in fact context for me saying HOT SEXY SEXY BITS
< 1353619550 791788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was mixed on 854
< 1353619557 771997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: but that's not what you said
< 1353619576 782082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353619576 995113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353619577 200532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353619577 405311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353619577 598980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353619583 702485 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, also context for me saying HOT SEXY SEX BITS
< 1353619591 360314 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :575)  Let us discuss the correct procedure for converting LP -> FLAC   The correct procedure is: you put the LP into a flatbed scanner, scan it as a Windows .bmp file, and then rename that file to .flac.
< 1353619625 987306 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :131)  incest is best
< 1353619626 856746 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :841)  i think in general it's against nature for an animal to be a boat
< 1353619628 762911 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be amazing if 575 worked
< 1353619631 194729 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :398)  as i was filled with zzo38 mystery at the moment i saw  quintopia: I am at Canada.
< 1353619633 777599 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :145)  You people. You people are so stupid. I'm making a SOCIOLOGICAL statement here.
< 1353619638 351710 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :131??? ???????? ?????
< 1353619650 253838 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it rhymes
< 1353619654 328320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can we delete 131 because cheater is banned?
< 1353619661 139471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353619662 800247 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 131
< 1353619665 884371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can delete it because it's a bad quote, too
< 1353619666 763955 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  incest is best
< 1353619669 861020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1353619680 166641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to argue for deleting it for that reason instead if I couldn't delete it for the first arugment
< 1353619686 61413 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can only delete it once though, so which reason got it deleted?
< 1353619687 89362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 398 is awesome
< 1353619696 815287 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed
< 1353619727 762199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it confuses me on at least two levels
< 1353619750 976516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the quote in the topic, did it actually happen? because it should probably be addquoted in that case
< 1353619753 811020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it is already
< 1353619756 847365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote make-loud-noises
< 1353619760 82960 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1353619774 730658 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do flatbed scanners have enough resolution to see sufficient detail that a program would be able to determine the sounds?
< 1353619798 524795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: sort of
< 1353619808 337036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can believe flatbed scanners with enough resolution exist
< 1353619810 341262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.phys.huji.ac.il/~springer/DigitalNeedle/
< 1353619814 214500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think typical consumer ones could do it, though
< 1353619820 667116 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh
< 1353619825 828431 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you scanning records or something
< 1353619830 528717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 575
< 1353619834 214410 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :575)  Come to think of it, I've praised you a little too effusively.  I'm not *that* pleased.  If you'll permit me to compensate slightly...   elliott: fuck you.   There.  Perfect.  Carry on.
< 1353619837 17092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err
< 1353619840 741600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 574
< 1353619843 954194 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :574)  Let us discuss the correct procedure for converting LP -> FLAC   The correct procedure is: you put the LP into a flatbed scanner, scan it as a Windows .bmp file, and then rename that file to .flac.
< 1353619897 908905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353619898 116065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353619898 324396 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353619898 524861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353619898 761395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353619904 366639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep worrying something dumb i've said will come up
< 1353619911 829627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has to be something dumb i've said in the qdb
< 1353619912 948097 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :739)  Stupid W|A doesn't even understand "Vatican papal density". (As far as countries go, they've got a quite high one.)
< 1353619933 35365 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that!
< 1353619938 60081 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :454)  Game theory is not a perfect tool for analyzing video games.   Nash failed to create a "video game theory"
< 1353619941 288272 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :661) * oerjan concludes that unsafeCoerce has no effect on strictness
< 1353619943 420018 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I was trying to differentiate x^x
< 1353619944 651742 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :52)  I like Country music, Contemporary Christian, Alt. Rock, Folk, etc.
< 1353619948 224179 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :179)  fizzie: 50kB is quite a lot
< 1353619955 151808 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :52
< 1353620033 465910 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :52, 179
< 1353620048 76660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :179 is only funny because 50kB is really small, right?
< 1353620055 835938 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1353620068 955285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, 661 isn't very funny either
< 1353620070 419742 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I wouldn't like to copy 50kB by hand
< 1353620070 778552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem with 179 is it could be in a context where that statement is reasonable
< 1353620075 280182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the unreasonable context it was actually in
< 1353620085 173604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :52 is just bad though
< 1353620095 615565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think 52 is there as mockery
< 1353620100 351772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 52
< 1353620104 501522 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  I like Country music, Contemporary Christian, Alt. Rock, Folk, etc.
< 1353620106 421336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620106 857058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620107 83643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620107 294036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620107 472561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620111 681975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's by someone I've never heard of so I can't laugh at them
< 1353620126 18909 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :391)  oerjan: can you delete that and the meta turing completeness page   thanks   elliott: IN UNIVERSO ALTERNATIVO, OERJAN PAGINAS DELET
< 1353620130 142881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can laugh at anyone if you try hard enough
< 1353620150 882961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :391 is only funny because of the meme
< 1353620153 850423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not that great a meme
< 1353620155 183033 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :401)  oerjan, little do you realise that everything you say and do is part of that great monad tutorial we call life.
< 1353620157 14263 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :284)  elliott: parents who put just "Chris" on a birth certificate are... like parents who put just "Bob" on a birth certificate.
< 1353620157 159931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like 391
< 1353620161 440828 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :532)  The fact that the elves will be happy with this will hopefully be counteracted by the fact that I plan to drop them into the magma cistern.
< 1353620162 462943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 401
< 1353620164 7066 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :51)  I think hamsters cannot be inert.
< 1353620164 152616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 284
< 1353620166 227115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 532
< 1353620167 200126 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a little bit funny because of the latin I think
< 1353620168 350348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 51
< 1353620178 496686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one of them is worse than the others though
< 1353620187 98311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the last four
< 1353620197 714869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: any opinions
< 1353620201 828948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in the beginning the `quote database was shared with another forum, which i don't recall the name of.  the quotes from there seem to be gradually exterminated.
< 1353620211 106936 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes because they aren't actually any good, mostly
< 1353620213 766480 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: probably there are worse quotes that are better to delete
< 1353620218 835793 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1
< 1353620223 536702 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1)  I used computational linguistics to kill her.
< 1353620223 682226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can leave them all if we like
< 1353620229 443544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I knew that one off by heart :)
< 1353620231 891195 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it sine or something
< 1353620233 327586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620233 511394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620233 751133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620233 966643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620234 390824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620247 905800 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :566)  elliott: GHC bug? Come on, it's the parentheses.   The more parentheses you add, the closer it is to LISP, and therefore the more dynamically-typed.
< 1353620271 539961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not just that meme, but also the meme of elliott pretending i'm a wiki admin.
< 1353620277 884165 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :292)  elliott: I doubt water memory can last for even one second in a gravitational field (or even outside of a gravitational field), but other people think they can make water memory with telephones.
< 1353620285 308230 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :619)  I think the worst part of growing up is that it isn't retroactive.
< 1353620285 610544 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :450)  itidus20: i saw a dancing cgi skeleton named malaria. i danced and played with him.
< 1353620285 962132 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :47)  GregorR: are you talking about ehird's virginity or your soda beer?
< 1353620286 107665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 566
< 1353620295 101929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I thought you were a wiki admin
< 1353620309 266702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it has spread to ais523
< 1353620322 754390 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were an admin too
< 1353620324 935072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: shall we make oerjan an admin to help reduce confusion?
< 1353620331 475989 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's up with 47
< 1353620335 748640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :47 is great
< 1353620342 530932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think oerjan would not like that
< 1353620347 396074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's a long story
< 1353620363 194102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :292 is particularly good
< 1353620365 484006 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :has the oklo ever made a bad quote?
< 1353620378 115587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :566: worse quote or worst quote?
< 1353620380 949073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say 566 is the only one there I'd be willing to delete
< 1353620386 462103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still above average
< 1353620387 553322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :==ais523
< 1353620403 872398 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 523
< 1353620407 769344 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :523)  I think Perl is a programming language too. [...]
< 1353620412 316918 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: i think you owe me 50 pounds by the way
< 1353620414 809436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620415 73344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620415 319871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620415 544556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620415 735610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620421 436638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which bet was that?
< 1353620424 401944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and then we all change name to bruce?
< 1353620426 286934 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is this a long story too
< 1353620428 952497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yeah
< 1353620430 649571 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :71)  Warrigal is the Harlem Globe Frotter
< 1353620431 669616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 566
< 1353620436 663517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like 566
< 1353620447 918385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is 566
< 1353620449 458971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 566
< 1353620451 332057 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  elliott: GHC bug? Come on, it's the parentheses.   The more parentheses you add, the closer it is to LISP, and therefore the more dynamically-typed.
< 1353620457 842748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1353620460 999009 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :202)  I have plans to make the computer and one day I will do it!! (I have access to barter some people might help with these things) It is many difference from other computer.
< 1353620461 231800 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :566)  elliott: GHC bug? Come on, it's the parentheses.   The more parentheses you add, the closer it is to LISP, and therefore the more dynamically-typed.
< 1353620461 978282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP 566 not being there
< 1353620468 952296 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1353620472 509965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what?
< 1353620473 849695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip (rip 566)
< 1353620480 992448 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :737)  has there been any work towards designing programming languages specifically for stoned people
< 1353620481 328058 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :516)  ais523, how can TAEB take too long? It is turn based. As long as it isn't taking like several minutes per move it is acceptable!   Vorpal: it gets boring waiting for it
< 1353620481 643352 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :752)  elliott: the new fnord   elliott: what is the point? nothing changed.
< 1353620481 788742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hackego is non-linear
< 1353620482 519846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some weird race conditions going on /there/
< 1353620485 750314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1353620491 401458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense if you know how it works
< 1353620499 50942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :752 is a masterpiece
< 1353620503 551144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means we can't be sure on what numbers those quotes have
< 1353620508 441973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :71 sucks
< 1353620515 842032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :202 is good
< 1353620516 339436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other two I am apathetic about
< 1353620517 716875 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :737 is bad, 516 sucks, 71 sucks
< 1353620524 6018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: plus how do we really know anything, man
< 1353620528 540605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 71
< 1353620530 686851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :202 is below-average for zzo38 quotes but still quite good
< 1353620532 164157 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  Warrigal is the Harlem Globe Frotter
< 1353620533 888663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, agree on 71
< 1353620535 363870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620535 529635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620535 795641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620535 940066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620536 128154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620552 987827 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :254) * yorick has quit (K-Lined)
< 1353620557 833812 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're going to run out of Sine quotes
< 1353620567 619346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 1 will never be deleted
< 1353620568 952868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's 1
< 1353620573 226188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't delete it just to contradict me
< 1353620579 211150 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 2
< 1353620586 363946 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with 254
< 1353620592 270496 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2)  EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork"
< 1353620597 594836 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :278)  I also do not like that it should be disallow just because of too weird. They haveto make up more name so that not everyone has the same name!!!
< 1353620598 752498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 is good
< 1353620599 233018 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :808)  you are like the linux torvalds of quiz engines
< 1353620603 77272 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can relate to 2
< 1353620603 407052 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :713)  Benchmarks are only a good measure of surprise
< 1353620603 965131 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :488)  well, you have bested me   itidus20: Yes.
< 1353620617 413506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'd say 278
< 1353620617 886401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :488 is also a masterpiece
< 1353620622 986115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can we delete 566
< 1353620624 702348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say 254
< 1353620626 893080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what value does it have
< 1353620630 793331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, missed 254
< 1353620633 789154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, 254
< 1353620636 79320 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, is Sine down?
< 1353620638 358723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 254
< 1353620642 298756 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* * yorick has quit (K-Lined)
< 1353620644 815243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :487 is definitely a masterpiece
< 1353620648 718300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so much better than 278
< 1353620654 794252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620655 259581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620655 714698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620656 178255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620656 586858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620668 44424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :808 and 713 are good too
< 1353620668 194235 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :550)  We have no leather.   Time to use that most venerable of resources, the puppy.
< 1353620675 82382 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's 487
< 1353620681 656926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 587
< 1353620682 93293 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :550 is crap
< 1353620685 465170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: 488 after a quote gets deleted before it
< 1353620685 937940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 487
< 1353620689 103594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, 550 is bad
< 1353620691 874030 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't let elliott say otherwise, he added it
< 1353620692 19572 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :587)  Guys no don't fly a Jem Hadar ship into Cardassian space to shoot things I played that mission in FreeSpace and it never works.
< 1353620699 501180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tsop quoting stuff while we're doing `quotes
< 1353620702 10049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's rly confusing
< 1353620705 85885 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :326)  Scotland turns from red and yellow to A DIFFERENT SHADE OF YELLOW
< 1353620716 220583 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :580)  It's like Pygmalion and Galatea but more weeaboo.   Also lesbian.
< 1353620716 413642 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :149)  Why do you use random acronyms you know we don't know the expansions of?  alise: TLAAW
< 1353620720 135464 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :641)  elliott: young john soon afterward receives as a visitor a fnord spaniard, fnord de moncada, who has escaped from fnord fnord dissolved in the absolute.
< 1353620729 450407 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :487)  well, you have bested me   itidus20: Yes.
< 1353620730 800286 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are like 3 of those mine
< 1353620731 702972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: join in "plz"
< 1353620732 215643 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: only format allowed to make money
< 1353620736 540333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi
< 1353620737 57923 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if your string is utf8, you might find it easier to implement
< 1353620743 591582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :goood point fungot
< 1353620744 272840 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so numedia cyclops didn't participate? you can do that to the docs.
< 1353620751 70234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1353620751 761538 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what does it do with the difficulty of analyzing arbitrary code execution in the interim, if i can
< 1353620754 315610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1353620754 672635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1353620754 866543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1353620755 209856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1353620755 365853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1353620761 93464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlep
< 1353620783 233483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620783 499495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620783 855100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620784 43387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620784 268415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620799 957295 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :104)  like, just like I'd mark "Bob knob hobs deathly poop violation EXCREMENT unto;" as English  alise: that's great filler  ais523: well it contains all the important words in the english language...
< 1353620809 634784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :104 is the best quote in the QDB, no exceptions
< 1353620829 412279 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :353)  You make a fist, shake it at the sky, and shout "why, GNU, why?!" -- that is the standard reportig practice.
< 1353620834 320361 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :394)  as i was filled with zzo38 mystery at the moment i saw  quintopia: I am at Canada.
< 1353620835 407238 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :697)  (I vehemently oppose the SNP because they want closer ties with Sweden.)
< 1353620836 810414 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :563)  Can you build the ... why wouldn't you be able to, just and all the computables
< 1353620850 717586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :563
< 1353620857 972388 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  fungot   fungot   fungot   fungot   fungot   hlep
< 1353620859 132450 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i read through the fnord service, you automatically grant to us a worldwide, fnord, lispme objects
< 1353620861 519605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :563 is pretty good but maybe it's the worst one there
< 1353620862 172352 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :864)  fungot   fungot   fungot   fungot   fungot   hlep
< 1353620867 277362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i change my mind, 864
< 1353620867 936042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 684
< 1353620868 900538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 864
< 1353620873 86496 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  fungot   fungot   fungot   fungot   fungot   hlep
< 1353620874 265603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620874 444085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620874 651056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620874 819878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620875 700741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620880 240150 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :short-lived quote... oh well
< 1353620888 954213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was a really bad quote
< 1353620889 532086 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :163)  catseye: Please wake up. Not recorded for this timezone. The big spider is not your dream
< 1353620899 412325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 163
< 1353620908 54705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELLIOTT.
< 1353620912 526727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop saying thingsngs
< 1353620916 435625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :before we see all 5
< 1353620927 364361 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :337)  sgeo do you actually know what sex looks like i am just checking here   I think so
< 1353620927 688064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"don't bias the jury"
< 1353620931 518455 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :664)  Do you want me to live dangerously and just stick it in the bot without testing it?   fizzie: Yes.   There is pretty much no way it won't be amazing.
< 1353620932 163149 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :598)  "Unlike other operating systems, Linux operating systems use Linux"
< 1353620933 27809 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :77)  bi is like sqrt(2)/2 * straight + i * sqrt(2)/2 * gay
< 1353620936 566228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're taking this way too seriously
< 1353620949 997915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :77 is not very good
< 1353620956 762926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353620958 879266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it isn't a joke
< 1353620962 26184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking there for one
< 1353620963 772944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there isn't one
< 1353620967 510712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there are good non-jokes in the qdb too
< 1353620968 364737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 77
< 1353620973 494281 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  bi is like sqrt(2)/2 * straight + i * sqrt(2)/2 * gay
< 1353620974 210069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote joke
< 1353620977 463607 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :259)  actually the first joke i thought elliott was making was that he's so small masturbation is gay pedophilia \ 298)    that one doesn't make a lot of sense outside context. Unless it is supposed to be a rather lame joke about STD as in HIV, and so on // HELLO WELCOME TO QUOTE DATABASES 101
< 1353620981 316602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes but that would only be good if it were a joke
< 1353620984 293156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620984 692314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620985 5982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
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< 1353620985 460309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353620992 236016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember 259
< 1353620999 952984 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :483)  it's the pain of the gaps argument   no matter how good your robot is at feeling pain   it's never close enough
< 1353621035 739051 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :550)  according to physics and maths can we theoretically have a box with infinite cookies inside?
< 1353621036 228595 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :158)  comex: what?   *vorpal   comex: hi, tab-complete completed c to comex instead of Vorpal, dunno why
< 1353621038 526530 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :730)  ioihgfdddf
< 1353621041 224997 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :821)  You can't quote me.
< 1353621052 715406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 730 + 821
< 1353621054 414575 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1551
< 1353621056 517094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 1551
< 1353621056 896680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 730
< 1353621061 143009 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  ioihgfdddf
< 1353621066 501485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
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< 1353621067 530909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353621068 873127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :730 was awful
< 1353621077 20917 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :12)  GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know.
< 1353621111 432654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on HackEgo
< 1353621112 444738 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :175)  well i just ate some stuff and watched family guy   and i own a piano   and i'm not wearing socks
< 1353621122 885705 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :208)  vorpal: a lot of people in AK fly    quintopia, well getting a pilot cert is a lot more complex than a driving license :P    being an AK resident is a lot more complex than a driver's license too
< 1353621134 832842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, all good so far
< 1353621135 306093 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :766)  aim hecker (n): when ur dronk and u pee so bad all over the toilet that ppl make fun of u   (corruption of "aim heckler")
< 1353621136 201999 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :653)  the parser would be even simpler if I didn't try to do type inference in it
< 1353621145 987121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :653 was meant seriously, at least
< 1353621160 865030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :766 I don't get
< 1353621171 370354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :766 is there to mock some guy who came in the channel for one day
< 1353621179 909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and talked about how php was good
< 1353621188 791548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we spent the whole day making fun of them
< 1353621191 890096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that's the story of aim hecking"
< 1353621216 42995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the context is interesting
< 1353621220 849402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they had this website with an "AIM Hecker" which I think was meant to be "AOL Instant Messenger Hacker")
< 1353621223 943388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but instead it was "AIM Hecker")
< 1353621230 496311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is the joke dead yet)
< 1353621231 953670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ur aim is hecked
< 1353621242 231919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fact that you are still talking about whats his face is proof that he wins
< 1353621245 242847 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to him
< 1353621247 712628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'wins'
< 1353621262 465233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i hope i'm still talking about it in 10 years
< 1353621268 914079 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was there ever any doubt he won
< 1353621269 59291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353621273 672710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :653 isn't that good probably
< 1353621274 769133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :winners don't use php
< 1353621275 505239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :208 also
< 1353621279 997670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw help did you see what edwardk did in lens
< 1353621282 590870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"my fault"
< 1353621310 373108 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-72-63.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1353621310 518674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This is complicated enough that I can't tell whether it's valid or not.
< 1353621321 373658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "valid" I mean "doesn't let the user write an invalid instance which segfaults".
< 1353621323 823212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: problem = the one legitimately solved by unsafeCoerce
< 1353621368 675368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://github.com/ekmett/lens/commit/7ec5e55c130093ad3f3428da12f866453d9f8412
< 1353621383 166186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need something which is suitably lazy and polymorphic.
< 1353621399 612375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353621399 823730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353621400 55133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353621400 300011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353621400 495742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353621401 646132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such that you can use it both as a traversal and as a fold.
< 1353621415 911166 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :34)  anyway, torture would be fun to experience, true   should put that on my todo list
< 1353621416 863092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk has since renamed EvilBazaar to BazaarT
< 1353621443 255110 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :320)  when I command it to do couple useful operations it instead mutilates my cock.
< 1353621446 992750 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :618)  That was me being *nice*. I could have made the request by word of mouth to my My Little Pony toys and it would count.
< 1353621450 599582 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :256)  zzo38: you missed the point. the point was way stupider than that.
< 1353621453 401903 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :857)  Can you vote for just the green party or rainbow party instead of both?   nope, it is the same party   That is the problem with political parties.
< 1353621464 835728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 320
< 1353621469 578819 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  when I command it to do couple useful operations it instead mutilates my cock.
< 1353621581 434477 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1353621589 910245 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :farscape gets a new theme tune for season 3
< 1353621775 734040 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-49.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1353622563 1185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353622563 392364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353622563 714162 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353622563 939160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353622564 265363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353622579 571022 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :187) * pikhq sticks several thousand kg m^2/A s^3 through elliot    pikhq: I'm underage!
< 1353622608 680196 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :19)  there is plenty of room to have two heads
< 1353622609 546970 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :726)  elliott: Anyway, if you wrote a Haskell book, I would read it and possibly provide classical criticism.   That is to say, non-constructive.
< 1353622616 291130 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :724)  the possession of diamonds by the bourgeois is more about establishing their bourgeoisness more than wanting a malleable metal   oops i forgot i said diamonds instead of gold
< 1353622617 384656 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :192)  oerjan: What, can girls aim their penises better?
< 1353622634 823012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 726? not that great
< 1353622785 813693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh iti
< 1353622804 568626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'oops i forgot i am wrong about everything'
< 1353622832 853839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll let monqy decide b/c im lazy
< 1353622838 442764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1353622842 110556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :724 is classic
< 1353622852 265079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :726 is classical
< 1353622853 277050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19 can't be deleted for historic reasons
< 1353622856 123399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 187
< 1353622856 421680 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should be deleted
< 1353622856 838064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP
< 1353622860 956773 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* * pikhq sticks several thousand kg m^2/A s^3 through elliot    pikhq: I'm underage!
< 1353622865 443707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353622865 859608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353622866 115227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353622866 342043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353622866 561105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353622880 779520 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :424)  god created the natural numbers, the rationals were done by man and the work was finally completed (topologically) by satan himself
< 1353622890 443631 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1353622908 416015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :424 is good
< 1353622916 1574 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :32)  i can get an erection out of a plank, you can quote me on that.
< 1353622922 500572 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :776) * elliott is back not for killing purposes but here to kill people.
< 1353622923 384271 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :745)  to think that i could accidently catch the bus with the person who wrote "###b#ott#les#of#b#eer o#n t#he #w#all#, ###lovely ###[[Esme]]ralda ###o#n ###t#h#e  #b#ee#r..."
< 1353622927 77990 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :615)  http://i.imgur.com/dosYw.png   WELCOME TO FUCKING STEELROMANCED
< 1353622954 333104 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's monqy's turn
< 1353622957 844678 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :615's just baffling if you don't know a fair bit of DF's format
< 1353622961 157027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish 776 gave knowledge of its context to anyone who read it
< 1353622980 35383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :context: "elliott = bad person?"
< 1353622985 7830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353622988 972075 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :840)  the other day I bought a recycling can from amazon  it came in a cardboard box  i took the can out of the box, broke down the box, and put it in the can  it was amazing
< 1353622990 817686 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353622997 459097 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :∴ bad person = elliott
< 1353623008 668691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was the best
< 1353623012 886953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Don't you know how quotes work?
< 1353623022 36306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't shuffle things around if they're inside quotes.
< 1353623031 406503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"invincibility to the press"
< 1353623049 166707 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: “a is equal to b” implies “b is equal to a”!
< 1353623056 676577 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes but you can cut them off
< 1353623068 471133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I don't know what those funny “” things are.
< 1353623075 159581 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in(...) to the press"
< 1353623075 358168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "a = b" doesn't imply "b = a".
< 1353623081 216676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be that a = b implies b = a.
< 1353623087 47581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's a totally different proposition!
< 1353623089 80710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords . reverse . words $ "elliott = bad person"
< 1353623091 261173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "person bad = elliott"
< 1353623131 459160 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> over (iso words unwords) reverse "elliott = bad person"
< 1353623133 439143 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"person bad = elliott"
< 1353623143 497796 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623143 776677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623144 228947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623144 504630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623144 738344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623153 459656 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey im back was i supposed to make any decisions
< 1353623157 60413 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :365)  The eigenratio of reality has to be enormous, though.
< 1353623167 275011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ye.
< 1353623169 466589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you let us down
< 1353623187 203723 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :245)  I'm blond with blue (sort of) eyes, so I could totally stealth my way through the holocaust ... or some such logic :P
< 1353623188 731470 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :726)  [...] and then you just shuffle the integral signs around a bit and hope no mathematicians notice.
< 1353623191 346544 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :635)  Just about all females often feel that exactly why all Hollywood stars common maintain its brightness as Tom in spite of frantic operate routine and large operate pressure from the skin. What do you think that they have got sufficient time to observe all attractiveness strategies and tips that his grandmother utilized to abide by?
< 1353623194 439633 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :582)  sadhu: it's been said that boole is the crowning jewel perched precariously upon the perfect peak of programmer prowess, casting its limitless limpid light over the loathesome lands of those who scuff and wallow in the dreary dust of digital depravity and unbounded wilful ignorance of the testament of our lord jesus christ into your life.
< 1353623235 305706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...did ais523 just turn into fungot above
< 1353623236 430094 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah and some funky symbol too) about how much you can abuse programs to get them in every area. if you're in something like bnf?
< 1353623252 800036 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1353623259 143036 :augur!~augur@65.199.61.222 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353623259 293559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :245 isn't all that good
< 1353623273 880213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's funny because it's about the holocaust
< 1353623284 459398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: elliott wants to apply the final solution to 245
< 1353623304 631811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: prescient
< 1353623307 838985 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353623338 23919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 245
< 1353623342 633645 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  I'm blond with blue (sort of) eyes, so I could totally stealth my way through the holocaust ... or some such logic :P
< 1353623344 153606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623344 534313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623344 936175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623345 289269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623345 496901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623358 768032 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :241)  OK, I give up, logging into Wikia is harder than writing a Firefox extension
< 1353623367 4018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we now have final proof elliott is hitler
< 1353623383 37565 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :698)  Incest, the enemy of graph theorists everywhere.
< 1353623390 172587 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :742)  fungot: Feeling scrambled after all that?   fizzie: but it's much like new zealand, in my stone-age country, we still like you even if you're only using the new fnord
< 1353623391 824331 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :169)  fizzie: I can never tell with OpenBSD!  everything looks like an error anyway
< 1353623395 273077 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :62)  Oranjer: the taylor's series is also alternately fnord as follows ( i'm using the latex notation here): david ben gurion signed the compensation agreement with germany when there was considerable division over these issues, because these are speculations without " any historical basis".
< 1353623404 573645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you get to choose
< 1353623421 430844 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, looks like macgyver is building an airplane again
< 1353623445 212134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623449 50361 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :158)  comex: what?   *vorpal   comex: hi, tab-complete completed c to comex instead of Vorpal, dunno why
< 1353623503 896907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :(
< 1353623535 307337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623535 989144 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i finished reading the scrollback
< 1353623538 414783 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :304)  o.O   There's a birth defect which results in the formation of a cloaca.   It's called "not being a mammal" :P
< 1353623560 208306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's classist
< 1353623572 82534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc thats literally the worst joke made today
< 1353623574 643273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please leave
< 1353623577 554205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1353623578 334751 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anywhere
< 1353623579 791659 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by anyone
< 1353623580 11985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :8=====D
< 1353623586 98592 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc that joke is bad
< 1353623590 963355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i should feel bad?
< 1353623604 299986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc i like you don't make me ashamed of your jokes
< 1353623604 636747 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe just a tiny bit embarrassed
< 1353623611 942773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1353623620 350894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :8=====D
< 1353623624 629866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok done
< 1353623630 325177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you chosen yet
< 1353623630 539558 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`qote
< 1353623632 915074 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353623633 70831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
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< 1353623636 361063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: /
< 1353623636 649126 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :547)  according to physics and maths can we theoretically have a box with infinite cookies inside?
< 1353623640 913324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-
< 1353623641 529557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623641 889267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623642 218256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623642 530557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623642 767784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623653 63831 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :587)  i am sorry to disappoint you, but my musical taste is on the side abba, verdi, and celine dion.  i know this may not be popular and that you would have preferred me to be a satanist.
< 1353623668 102468 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :587???
< 1353623682 71294 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh im starting to "get it"
< 1353623684 482949 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just starting
< 1353623687 928315 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Money money money, must be funny, in a rich man's world
< 1353623693 473142 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353623700 387166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe monqy has the same musical taste as oerjan
< 1353623700 532563 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :125)  ais523: elf corpses are not considered expensive health food. but the most expensive.
< 1353623700 678207 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :485)  What is miff-muffered moof?   that's a tough question
< 1353623701 503480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy monqy monqy, must be funqy
< 1353623703 105670 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :816)  when everyone else was busy going "ewwww, comic sans!" I was reading the text and learned everything
< 1353623703 438728 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :245)  file:///home/fis/src/chainlance/tapestats.png -- yes, I think it's nice that way when the edge is always the opponent's flag.
< 1353623710 122452 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no i dont...........
< 1353623722 358747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you cant prove anything
< 1353623726 26960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also platypi and echidnae have cloacae, iirc
< 1353623726 172455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except
< 1353623727 299860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in reverse
< 1353623739 748329 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is a man after my own heart :')
< 1353623741 4821 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: is it possible compare scheme to other languages is not a function definition is handled by 10 fnord. " is this better than haskell
< 1353623744 597348 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: And lay eggs
< 1353623749 394204 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623753 629627 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :146)  < ais523> then running repeatedly until you get the right sequence of random numbers < ais523> and just completely ignoring the input <-- some people live their entire lives this way, i reckon
< 1353623753 788187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: sexist?!?
< 1353623756 900333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: no really?
< 1353623757 501178 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they don't have nipples, their skin secretes milk directly
< 1353623759 466675 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, omg fungot is trolling by proxy
< 1353623760 473774 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: also for most other languages do), i don't think that would help in this channel for example. :)
< 1353623762 221452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: please tell me more irrelevant facts
< 1353623763 498450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys
< 1353623766 412114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're trying to delete quotes here
< 1353623773 968216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please shut up about anything other than that and grilling monqy
< 1353623774 484072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1353623777 351499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: fungot is a bot
< 1353623777 496995 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Humans are dumb
< 1353623778 322144 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the excel hack is countered by a ( thunk, type) pair.
< 1353623779 395335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grilling kmc is acceptable too
< 1353623784 994839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: IRC is a form of internet relay chat
< 1353623786 900857 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are monqy and kmc elves
< 1353623788 834333 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 816
< 1353623792 482124 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs away
< 1353623793 643455 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if so i am: cool with that
< 1353623798 760228 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Most IRC servers will respond to a help command
< 1353623804 922059 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1353623805 67593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: help
< 1353623806 137555 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there is an ansi standard." maybe it is easier that... well, uhm. no. ...do i want to
< 1353623813 379424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give up let's try again and hope we don't get any about monqy's musical tastes
< 1353623814 536366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thinking fungot
< 1353623814 681832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623815 67001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623815 409706 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: which strings??? cool, where can i find dybvig's paper? ( what's l's equivalent of begin?
< 1353623815 555375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623815 700673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623815 912634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623820 833366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's like boats in an ocean, right?
< 1353623825 966521 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :611)  You know what annoys me about Deep Space 9.   It wasn't in deep space.   It was orbiting Bajor.
< 1353623826 151932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yessssss
< 1353623858 586324 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :376)  You just went from "no sexualized ads" to "we have ads for dildos, but they're different for ads for Orangina" X-D
< 1353623863 972072 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :343)  Oracle's awesome
< 1353623873 316278 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :733)  ok in other words, its a lot easier to reason about 2^43112609-1 apples by using the text "2^43112609-1" than it is to actually produce 2^43112609-1 apples
< 1353623873 700178 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :809)  Is mathematics a lifeform?   zzo38: i'm looking into something interesting(debatable) which might be up your alley(debatable). warioware diy ... being a proprietry game about making games i know it's not extremely relevant here(debatable), but it's    itidus20: I don't know.
< 1353623878 795736 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :343????
< 1353623885 804230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :343 is p. good
< 1353623900 337133 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623901 765552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not good enough for us
< 1353623903 627929 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull
< 1353623904 43294 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop
< 1353623904 246928 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :645)  also, why isn't monqy from Hexham? his name sounds like he should be
< 1353623907 804493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 343
< 1353623908 700851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're violating procedure!!
< 1353623911 383001 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  Oracle's awesome
< 1353623912 573029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1353623913 909052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like 343
< 1353623916 79273 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What
< 1353623918 166153 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only did it once
< 1353623918 660542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's there to commemorate that time sgeo said that
< 1353623922 630190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wrong
< 1353623934 396275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine
< 1353623935 37248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623935 330983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623935 603567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623935 840545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623936 20412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353623939 715968 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why did sgeo say it???
< 1353623941 457909 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what context I would possibly say that in.
< 1353623944 444683 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there so much left unanswered
< 1353623947 850519 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :813)  i don't get how people are afraid of parachute jumping but they routinely drive a car in fucking traffic
< 1353623949 683312 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so since everyone's going off topic i'm just going to comment on the fact that farscape continues to wow me in the field of blatant s&m scenes
< 1353623950 529265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i like it
< 1353623951 911950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert
< 1353623958 806365 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done.
< 1353623959 855937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unrevert
< 1353623967 626608 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol++
< 1353623968 562649 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rerevert
< 1353623975 640306 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the revert be reverted, Emacs-style?
< 1353623976 847494 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unrevert: not found
< 1353623977 194979 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: rerevert: not found
< 1353623979 250900 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :269)  Phantom_Hoover: mutation is often considerably harder for both humans and compilers can analyze it much more difficult' part that induces bloody vomit... huh....intriguing
< 1353623994 730658 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :663)  wolfram armageddon, the genius overlord game
< 1353623996 924563 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :533)  now that we've cleared that up let us hug fungot =   elliott_: let's not start that again."
< 1353623997 70226 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :616)  it's not a list of /all/ interesting esolangs, btw; otherwise you can take the first command from the first esolang, the second from the second, the third from the third, etc, then add 1 to all of them   and you get a new interesting esolang   diagonal principle…
< 1353624019 761033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 616 would be better without the third part
< 1353624026 619320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that 809 is a true meeting of the minds
< 1353624062 698353 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are any of these quotes numbered correctly
< 1353624068 644208 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's hard to tell"
< 1353624075 653129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :le'ts just try again
< 1353624077 252598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353624077 595843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353624077 924056 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353624078 212817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353624078 429033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353624092 858200 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :687)  Here in Scotland we have a rigorous and well-tested theory of brothels.
< 1353624125 588231 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :809)  Is mathematics a lifeform?   zzo38: i'm looking into something interesting(debatable) which might be up your alley(debatable). warioware diy ... being a proprietry game about making games i know it's not extremely relevant here(debatable), but it's    itidus20: I don't know.
< 1353624127 500346 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :62)  Oranjer: the taylor's series is also alternately fnord as follows ( i'm using the latex notation here): david ben gurion signed the compensation agreement with germany when there was considerable division over these issues, because these are speculations without " any historical basis".
< 1353624134 904465 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :764)  and then I spent much of the rest of the time trying to work out how to implement 3D Hashlife efficiently when at least one of the colors has free will
< 1353624135 888126 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :397)  [...] only the hamster's nervous system was tortured. although probably torturing a large logical gate constitutes a horrible thing to do if it comes in a cute container.
< 1353624188 828562 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like 809 anymore
< 1353624211 99576 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt i'll ever not like 809
< 1353624223 179954 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like 397 though
< 1353624287 999016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you decided
< 1353624297 815225 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353624322 289610 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all "above the bar" but maybe some are only hanging by a chin?
< 1353624327 145399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm
< 1353624331 64177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :62 doesn't seem that good
< 1353624332 847187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a fungot quotes
< 1353624333 920188 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in emacs you can select from. i think i get the tex sources. he never continued the web server
< 1353624334 182491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote
< 1353624395 262812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 62
< 1353624399 719973 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  Oranjer: the taylor's series is also alternately fnord as follows ( i'm using the latex notation here): david ben gurion signed the compensation agreement with germany when there was considerable division over these issues, because these are speculations without " any historical basis".
< 1353624401 446465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353624401 984530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353624402 412232 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353624402 857670 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353624403 201230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353624416 981322 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :532)  elliott_: it's a machine that looks like you!
< 1353624439 202814 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's another fungot quote
< 1353624440 370810 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the resource may not be able to use it yet, but it's hardly userfriendly to install documentation with no obvious way
< 1353624451 40033 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :55)  both of you, quit it with the f-bombs.    kaelis: what's the matter? something censoring stuff you're interested in?
< 1353624454 948123 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :707)  Benchmarks are only a good measure of surprise
< 1353624455 778021 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :464)  Phantom_Hoover: it is a hate so pure and... pumpkin seeds?
< 1353624456 494794 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :565)  Hulu's movie selection is like MST3K without the MST3K characters.
< 1353624473 270903 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats with 55
< 1353624538 346473 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_Hoover
< 1353624548 364390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the joke is
< 1353624565 363263 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as good as that other joke
< 1353624570 159884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which
< 1353624606 666355 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one about censorship where the joke is the joke gets spoiled?? it's complicated
< 1353624616 642189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
< 1353624621 877733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the one that goes "censorshi"
< 1353624624 37908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the other one that i forget
< 1353624654 265644 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one where ais says something about something zzo said
< 1353624682 500551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm
< 1353624694 286560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :565 isn't that good
< 1353624713 456157 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen hulu's movie selection
< 1353624724 841616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Is it like 565?
< 1353624731 200954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ie not that good"
< 1353624744 126266 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1353624746 746927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i haven't. should i
< 1353624752 43408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hulu isn't really available in my country......
< 1353624760 928702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: switch to a better country
< 1353624766 623210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: your country is unamerican btw
< 1353624780 204663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know, america is the only country with freedom
< 1353624787 284787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really quite an advantage
< 1353624816 260444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well it's also the best country
< 1353624820 77333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is an advantage too
< 1353624823 204978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if u think about it"
< 1353624832 860482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: should i : (
< 1353624848 576444 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you want to understand 565 it would help
< 1353624853 391820 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: Sine is not down.
< 1353624860 208103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sine is up
< 1353624862 650342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, down
< 1353624864 397649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, up
< 1353624866 56998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, down
< 1353624876 922194 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it down before?
< 1353624879 776309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sine of the times"
< 1353624882 667420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353624883 193884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353624883 629044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353624884 28823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353624884 418014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353624888 990878 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf..............................
< 1353624900 648107 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :393)  Will anyone be irritated if I tend to disconnect and reconnect a lot? [...]  we _almost_ have an established policy that bots will be banned it they do that.  which means we might have to administer a turing test to sgeo, and that could get ugly.
< 1353624901 44494 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: looks like it hasn't been down in the past 24 hours.
< 1353624934 453510 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :413) * Sgeo is risking massive forest fires   The bacon is worth it
< 1353624934 924127 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :280)  django is named after a person?   thought it would be a giraffe or something
< 1353624936 184988 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353624938 491950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what
< 1353624938 900413 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :520)  FFS, building a perpetual motion machine should not be this hard.
< 1353624940 867948 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :472)  I suck at the gravitron, I have survived something like 15 seconds in it at most.
< 1353624958 851798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :472 isn't very good
< 1353624971 613580 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 472
< 1353624976 375711 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  I suck at the gravitron, I have survived something like 15 seconds in it at most.
< 1353624980 703492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353624981 75549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353624981 347140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353624981 584410 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353624981 779103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353624984 408940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353624995 799629 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :528)  theorem prover yada yada halting problem.
< 1353625000 899318 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :115)  Gregor-P: I don't think lambda calculus is powerful enough
< 1353625011 566858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh
< 1353625015 394063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad batch already
< 1353625028 86067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of those are good tho
< 1353625037 307732 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :769)  may I use my phone says it's nick to clarify
< 1353625037 672389 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :721) * Phantom_Hoover moves 0.5 Phantom_Hoover into the Atlantic, and captures fizzie's upper body with 0.5 Phantom_Hoover.   Glurk.
< 1353625037 860724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good FOR DELETION
< 1353625040 654244 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :502)  That's the stupidest thing I've heard all morning. (Though I did wake up five minutes ago, so I haven't had a chance to hear very much.)   The "Why are you still asleep? I told the cat to wake you up." comment does come pretty close, though.
< 1353625041 261286 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :747)  Why does CL get called functional?   it's sort of like how you call ancient greece democratic.
< 1353625071 322138 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :769?
< 1353625075 367819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: my positions: 502 is good, 528 is good, 115 is good, apathetic about 721, 769 is not very good
< 1353625087 548189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 769
< 1353625092 14874 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  may I use my phone says it's nick to clarify
< 1353625097 852560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353625098 595876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353625099 216977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353625099 660616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353625100 131911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353625107 595067 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :88)  (still, whatever possessed anyone to invent the N-Gage?)
< 1353625109 717157 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :21)  In an alternate universe, ehird has taste
< 1353625131 522696 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there supposed to be a joke in 88?
< 1353625133 410157 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :42)  I spent the last minute or so killing myself repeatedly
< 1353625133 595366 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :307)  ais523: YOU WILL HAVE YOUR QUOTE SOON
< 1353625136 240139 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :610)  If you jump a car from a ramp and hit the wall of a building, in midair, you tend to get ejected up and fly to the sky-ceiling, then slowly slide at that height to one corner of the world; then you land, make a complicated spinning-around thing for a while, and then explode.   Also probably works in real life?
< 1353625164 476794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :610 is good, 42 is good, 21 has historical value, I like 42 personally
< 1353625168 899701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :88 is a bit lame
< 1353625176 125604 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless "N-Gage" is some pseudoscientific spiritual mumbo-jumbo, I don't get it.
< 1353625179 756623 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1353625204 189575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i retract my position on 88
< 1353625222 740085 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's a cell phone gaming thing apparently
< 1353625288 902599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  88)  (still, whatever possessed anyone to invent the N-Gage?) [...]  Is there supposed to be a joke in 88?   Unless "N-Gage" is some pseudoscientific spiritual mumbo-jumbo, I don't get it.   Oh, it's a cell phone gaming thing apparently
< 1353625292 668702 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :856)  88)  (still, whatever possessed anyone to invent the N-Gage?) [...]  Is there supposed to be a joke in 88?   Unless "N-Gage" is some pseudoscientific spiritual mumbo-jumbo, I don't get it.   Oh, it's a cell phone gaming thing apparently
< 1353625293 653485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :adding a quote is like deleting one
< 1353625302 137525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353625302 598786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353625302 949840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353625303 225113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353625303 412361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353625309 330549 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"N-Gage attempted to lure gamers away from the Game Boy Advance by including cellphone functionality. This was unsuccessful, partly because the buttons, designed for a phone, were not well-suited for gaming and when used as a phone the original N-Gage was described as resembling a "taco"."
< 1353625313 930623 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: iirc, that was long before "cell phone gaming thing" managed to become a thing
< 1353625317 708200 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :119)  oerjan, can you ever get any number higher than 3 at the start of "ordinary" [look-and-say sequences]?  it's not clear from the RFCs
< 1353625346 646122 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :415)  you know that thing in the movies where they put a pillow on someone's face and try to suffocate them   that doesn't work.   we tried that with my ex once, but we just couldn't kill each other that way
< 1353625351 375795 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :799)  you are like the linux torvalds of quiz engines
< 1353625353 203972 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :55)  both of you, quit it with the f-bombs.    kaelis: what's the matter? something censoring stuff you're interested in?
< 1353625353 390183 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :91)   fungot!*@* added to ignore list.  AnMaster: i'd find that a bit annoying to wait for an ack.
< 1353625360 196146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1353625409 695952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: any input
< 1353625414 913934 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats with 55 [again]
< 1353625429 838779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is 55
< 1353625431 292624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 55
< 1353625432 247424 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from Sine.
< 1353625435 225246 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it has context that makes it good, it's bad
< 1353625435 741312 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :55)  both of you, quit it with the f-bombs.    kaelis: what's the matter? something censoring stuff you're interested in?
< 1353625451 666573 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could ask in Sine about the context
< 1353625453 226957 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's the one about f-bombs and censoring
< 1353625474 921694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i prefer p-bombs personally
< 1353625492 984707 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer l-bombs
< 1353625518 400742 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like them pu-bombs and u-bombs
< 1353625522 180662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember when monqy was all like
< 1353625523 94781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You smile, you flirt, you ask questions and listen patiently in a friendly, non-committal/unneedy sort of way. You let the conversation develop, sometimes helping it along. You laugh at the right jokes, you fire back witty (but not to witty) remarks, your eyes take on a extra little sparkle and then, it happens. The 'P' Bomb.
< 1353625557 269348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wats the 'p' bomb
< 1353625573 893553 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you miss our p-bomb discussion
< 1353625579 800349 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y
< 1353625580 446520 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353625592 963337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: pastry
< 1353625602 696730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353625602 951652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353625603 192464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353625603 433627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353625603 615961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353625610 961360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1353625613 718201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: p bomb = cherry pastry with a cherry bomb
< 1353625617 10634 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :597)  Also you steal Berwick from us and then say you don't want it?   You stole it from us first!
< 1353625641 533859 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently being told context for 55
< 1353625645 994559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do tell
< 1353625655 360597 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :246)  lol @ closed character set standard   "What does this codepoint represent?" "Nobody knows."
< 1353625657 565802 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :789)  moral of the story with enough peer pressure nything is possible
< 1353625658 2528 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :152)  It's only been 2 months since anyone last made a commit!   WRONG 8 WEEKS
< 1353625659 305116 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :822)  world peace is for fascists
< 1353625673 260969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: @ closed character set standard?
< 1353625675 509365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did @ do that
< 1353625705 710067 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What does this @ represent?" "Nobody knows."
< 1353625728 664933 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Kaelis used to snap at Madelon sometimes whenever she got involved at all in conversations he was in.'
< 1353625759 372780 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ... not very convincing evidence
< 1353625817 667434 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is at
< 1353625828 163995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you're right
< 1353625834 342553 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or alternatively, a monkey
< 1353625835 392669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i right
< 1353625856 295987 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What were those things called. Franklin something. Had a keyboard and removable cartridge
< 1353625914 686572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...typewriter?
< 1353625943 848305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TypeWriterT
< 1353625978 755827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  55)  both of you, quit it with the f-bombs.    kaelis: what's the matter? something censoring stuff you're interested in? [...]  whats with 55 [again]   It's from Sine.   I could ask in Sine about the context [...]  I'm currently being told context for 55   do tell   'Kaelis used to snap at Madelon sometimes whenever she got involved at all in conversations h
< 1353625978 901270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e was in.'
< 1353625980 125690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck
< 1353625985 883562 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :857)  55)  both of you, quit it with the f-bombs.    kaelis: what's the matter? something censoring stuff you're interested in? [...]  whats with 55 [again]   It's from Sine.   I could ask in Sine about the context [...]  I'm currently being told context for 55   do tell   'Kaelis used to snap at Madelon sometimes whenever she got involved at all in conversations h
< 1353625990 9126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 857
< 1353625993 971436 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  55)  both of you, quit it with the f-bombs.    kaelis: what's the matter? something censoring stuff you're interested in? [...]  whats with 55 [again]   It's from Sine.   I could ask in Sine about the context [...]  I'm currently being told context for 55   do tell   'Kaelis used to snap at Madelon sometimes whenever she got involved at all in conversations h
< 1353625999 505766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meta
< 1353626000 558146 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1353626015 656378 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.google.com/search?q=Franklin+devices&rlz=1C1TSND_enUS401US401&aq=f&oq=Franklin+devices&aqs=chrome.0.57j60l2j0l3.5016&sugexp=chrome,mod=17&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#hl=en&tbo=d&rlz=1C1TSND_enUS401US401&sclient=psy-ab&q=franklin+spanish+english+translator&oq=Franklin+Spanish+English&gs_l=serp.3.0.0l2j0i30l2.54459.56839.1.58044.15.13.0.0.0.0.788.2808.3j7j0j1j1j0j1.13.0.les%3B..0.0...1c.1._KzrcpcL
< 1353626015 802008 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ly0&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&fp=ff999713c9217bd7&bpcl=38897761&biw=1366&bih=667
< 1353626022 107766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1353626023 31575 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wtf at all the garbage in the URL
< 1353626036 800986 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1353626068 993900 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353626128 773458 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.franklin.com/book-cards
< 1353626179 359205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never understood a Sgeo_ link less
< 1353626213 62 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a kid I had a device that accepted those cards
< 1353626244 770506 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Why would anyone *buy* one of those?
< 1353626309 567051 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like, a franklin the turtle usb drive?
< 1353626310 100883 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well let's think
< 1353626324 465651 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would have supervised the things sgeo owned as a child
< 1353626342 666567 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Franklin-Spanish-English-Dictionary-Bookman/dp/B000034D68 except that's a card, not the device itself. Wouldn't have had that card because the device was natively a Spanish/English dictionary
< 1353626360 3521 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that particular card would be unnecessary.
< 1353626364 310236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1353626365 381877 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if I wanted to do other things
< 1353626369 109702 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you have a spanish/english dictionary?
< 1353626374 955435 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea.
< 1353626381 23408 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither!
< 1353626403 746334 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :americans are dimly aware that there is a language other than english, and some of them even know it's called 'spanish'
< 1353626427 668944 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not thinking of "swedish" are you? because that's not even a language
< 1353626439 510756 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not, it's an obscenity
< 1353626461 592381 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't say it again
< 1353626486 460170 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently watching star wars
< 1353626487 927684 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found it!
< 1353626488 258832 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :dubbed
< 1353626492 905837 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... in swedish!
< 1353626499 150957 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :irk
< 1353626518 310202 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :model ssa-840 but the one I found is the wrong book
< 1353626559 510285 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like http://www.iltech.org/Classifieds/DRSItemDetails.aspx?Id=1206
< 1353626570 25465 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But different labels on the colored buttons
< 1353626581 157708 :augur!~augur@65.199.61.222 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1353626588 20157 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a tilde over the N button
< 1353626637 815691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jag har en dålig känsla om detta
< 1353626674 313777 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dålig känsla" låter som direktöversatt engelska
< 1353626711 99380 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tror det är mer idiomatiskt att ha "onda aningar" om någonting
< 1353626714 925460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...busted.  although coincidentally, those were the only two words i couldn't think of myself...
< 1353626725 667065 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again, who knows ... this swedish thing is dying out anyway
< 1353626729 384034 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hope)
< 1353626782 302584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the idiomatic norwegian _would_ be "dårlig følelse"
< 1353626800 359657 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a foolish foaling
< 1353626830 573826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dårlig doesn't mean foolish in norwegian, just bad
< 1353626846 911497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it obviously does come from dåre, meaning fool
< 1353626872 444233 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously
< 1353626877 385784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what am i right about?
< 1353626903 274441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353626925 309542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm right about yes
< 1353626958 843483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353627027 134603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353627027 645655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353627027 891245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353627028 138423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353627028 353997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353627040 822312 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :425)  Someone with that sort of grasp of logic shouldn't be allowed anything more computationally powerful than a plastic spoon
< 1353627067 721506 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, i learnt that off doctor who!!
< 1353627073 435489 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :258)  Gregor, yeah, but Purdue has poultry science facilities beyond the dreams of avarice.
< 1353627076 419082 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :7)  what, you mean that wasn't your real name?  Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that.
< 1353627081 408085 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :232)  !bfjoust test (-)*10000   Score for Vorpal_test: 12.9   yay
< 1353627082 100103 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :173)  Give me a beaver and I'll put it to work.
< 1353627095 626315 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds the non-Americans funny
< 1353627142 328905 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the "americans are dimly aware" thing?
< 1353627168 930802 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353627174 139548 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :darlig = bad
< 1353627202 473448 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :doorly
< 1353627225 326332 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, was that a lead-up or just a solitary statement
< 1353627237 742735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: imo 173
< 1353627248 283184 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hii iim back
< 1353627248 870183 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Solitary statement.
< 1353627259 655810 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lawl, you guys talking on Thanksgiving"
< 1353627263 946708 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 173 a double entendre or something
< 1353627265 588597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: learnt what?
< 1353627268 582066 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 173
< 1353627273 916986 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: talking on what?
< 1353627274 62472 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, darlig = bad, jesus
< 1353627283 236845 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said it like 10 lines ago!
< 1353627306 365351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 173
< 1353627310 360200 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  Give me a beaver and I'll put it to work.
< 1353627329 994256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353627330 365219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353627330 605691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353627330 875630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353627331 37408 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353627342 914988 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, wait, are you not meant to talk on thanksgiving
< 1353627344 582062 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :708)  I had a dream last night where I got hit by a van but the van had a brain uploader in it and I was uploaded and I angsted because I was stuck spending eternity with singularitarians?
< 1353627349 439242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i'm sorry dårlig doesn't mean jesus, what the heck made you think that?
< 1353627355 852365 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You're meant to be stuffed to the gills.
< 1353627356 753226 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile in europe, not a single thanks was given
< 1353627365 561591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also i was slightly in backscroll)
< 1353627369 661838 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :357)  I think I managed something like a one-expression increment that was only a few hundred characters long
< 1353627372 73731 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :103)  And... WTF is it doing.   :(   Is it sexing?
< 1353627378 845220 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :679)  The book "Science Made Stupid" ends with a list of things that might happen in the future (some already have), one of them is a woman president. Some things in the list are reasonable but a few are just funny instead.
< 1353627379 782166 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :227)  gah, why does lose keep winning?
< 1353627407 769207 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, ah, here we do that at christmas
< 1353627418 146991 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1353627438 586712 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here we *also* do that at Christmas.
< 1353627441 941661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: americans have gills?  you learn something new every week!
< 1353627470 992558 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, we're not actually human.
< 1353627478 221708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :figures.
< 1353627494 899663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that lovecraft story was true, then.
< 1353627501 417202 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, otoh you haven't invented boxing day
< 1353627504 616475 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so i hear
< 1353627534 913724 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not at all.
< 1353627733 144008 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or kettles
< 1353627908 628683 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott have you started the dwarf fortress
< 1353627919 332187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i will in the next
< 1353627920 321193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 minutes?
< 1353627951 221183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw get dfhack, it now makes the ingame interface waaaay better
< 1353627985 563524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmh
< 1353627986 180203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :howso
< 1353627988 323191 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it adds text search to the unit lists, an ingame version of dwarf therapist
< 1353627993 195699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw do you need to do something to unhack your raws to get our stuff compatible
< 1353627998 944378 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353628002 549317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure
< 1353628006 580649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :region files have their own raws
< 1353628009 444282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353628009 906236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1353628020 933233 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353628034 805626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a screenshot of this in-game dt
< 1353628071 651884 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1353628086 756490 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an ingame version of dt?
< 1353628089 325688 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just imagine dt's spreadsheet interface, except in ansii
< 1353628109 113661 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this part of DF proper, or part of dfhack?
< 1353628112 784449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfhack
< 1353628115 844679 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah :/
< 1353628135 939487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not quite a replacement for dt but it's a lot nicer to use if you just want to twiddle a few labours
< 1353628344 123386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353628345 549493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353628345 821358 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353628346 45125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353628346 343494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353628352 644058 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :.
< 1353628355 432067 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :400)  it was a wonderful dream   i died in it   that's how it started
< 1353628358 70634 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :265) * Received a CTCP VERSION from nyuszika7h   * VERSION Microsoft IRC# 2011 64-bit (Windows 8 Beta, x64, 2GB RAM)    Gregor: Windows 8 Beta? o_O    A small benefit of my brief time as an intern at MS.
< 1353628371 254917 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: ,
< 1353628380 440395 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :523)  The fact that the elves will be happy with this will hopefully be counteracted by the fact that I plan to drop them into the magma cistern.
< 1353628383 627948 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :799)  `log [o]klopol wasn't usually nude
< 1353628384 358580 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :7)  what, you mean that wasn't your real name?  Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that.
< 1353628384 713092 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :;
< 1353628424 621160 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [o]klopol wasn't usually nude
< 1353628451 559575 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is that supposed to do something?
< 1353628455 370858 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1353628496 254656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not, you cannot search for a blatantly false statement
< 1353628663 880657 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to make a major change to the way that I type. So major.
< 1353628690 872554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it
< 1353628718 963422 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see that my change is so drastic that you have decided to sarcastically point it out by asking a rhetorical question.
< 1353628734 620283 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to start using a keyboard?
< 1353628753 877555 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a small change to my handwriting recently which has immensely improved my appreciation of it
< 1353628767 515995 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I started using a keyboard about three years ago. This is a much more major and drastic change.
< 1353628782 426240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you use before three years ago
< 1353628793 347867 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A piano.
< 1353628795 482685 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote piano
< 1353628798 711822 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :173)  well i just ate some stuff and watched family guy   and i own a piano   and i'm not wearing socks \ 438)  Non sequitur is my forte   On-topic discussion is my piano   Bowls of sugary breakfast cereal is my mezzoforte   Full fat milk is my pianissimo   On which note, I'm hungry
< 1353628818 170975 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, those quotes are definitely very relevant to the fact that I used to type on a piano.
< 1353628825 881130 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 88
< 1353628826 46980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353628826 387016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353628826 755663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353628826 918161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353628827 88227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353628829 563261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353628832 5367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353628834 544285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353628836 968596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353628839 618267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353628841 39260 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf has gone rogue
< 1353628844 186821 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone stop him!
< 1353628850 3289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote rogue
< 1353628851 490006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote stop
< 1353628851 769824 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr we removed quote 88
< 1353628858 153020 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will try to stop shachaf.
< 1353628860 673878 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: please stop.
< 1353628863 187598 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that worked.
< 1353628863 767465 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :88)  (still, whatever possessed anyone to invent the N-Gage?)
< 1353628868 524935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: stop what
< 1353628875 797123 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/sh: Can't open /hackenv/bin/allquotes
< 1353628877 504372 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not sure.
< 1353628889 848000 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ask Phantom_Hoover.
< 1353628895 893294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: please stop spamming the bots
< 1353628898 303343 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, we didn't delete 88, we just made another quote about it
< 1353628899 457088 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/sh: Can't open /hackenv/bin/allquotes
< 1353628902 262575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK.
< 1353628909 255824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was 88
< 1353628912 534273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why me and not elliott?
< 1353628937 479352 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not Zoidberg?
< 1353628954 767531 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1
< 1353628966 415641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there's a tradition where we request exactly five quotes then delete one
< 1353628966 561287 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like how HackEgo renumbers a quote any time a prior quote is deleted.
< 1353628970 685171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even that gets spammy after a while
< 1353628984 97981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about requesting 10 quotes and deleting two.
< 1353628985 166444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :requesting that many in a row is ridiculous, though
< 1353628985 506503 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a tradition where HackEgo is really slow.
< 1353628994 873208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That method is clearly superior.
< 1353628999 128782 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, you're talking about a system designed by someone who implemented fortune by selecting a random line in the quotes file and seeking back to the separator.
< 1353628999 872415 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1)  I used computational linguistics to kill her.
< 1353629011 195302 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :623)  Can you file for univorce if you are unmarried and don't like yourself anymore?
< 1353629013 765720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You get more choice, so you can delete worse quotes on average.
< 1353629014 815976 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :115)  Gregor-P: I don't think lambda calculus is powerful enough
< 1353629021 186029 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :15) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE:  First, invent the direct mind-computer interface.  Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE.
< 1353629021 338869 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :638)  There's British KFC? Kent Fried Chicken?
< 1353629021 484437 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :823)  olsner: over the undertow! under the overpass! around the future and not just fnord for example. it's just the syntax
< 1353629021 484521 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :747)  Phantom_Hoover: gsi-ffs.scm just has a tendency to give procedures meaningful, spelled out, names, unlike " fnord)"
< 1353629021 484567 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :182)  OK, let's reduce the human genome to 4 chromosomes, in 2 homologous pairs.
< 1353629021 629906 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :188)  My quotes are boring
< 1353629027 765604 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :277)  elliott: parents who put just "Chris" on a birth certificate are... like parents who put just "Bob" on a birth certificate.
< 1353629028 433134 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :50)  Maternal instincts?    Don't you just leave the thing in a box until it starts crying, and then shake it until it stops? \ 278)  ZOMGMODULES, St. Christopher, saint and werewolf. \ 289)  and then there's the slightly annoying one where suddenly, i start rolling forward and i can't stop   like i can be having some great sex dream or whatever and then suddenly "oh
< 1353629036 121938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: And there's less of the noise-spam that happens between `quotes.
< 1353629096 608441 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is hackego so slow to respond, fwiw?
< 1353629122 2952 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I certify that ____ ____ ____ was born to parents ____ ____ ____ and ____ ____ ____ here in ____ this ____ day of ____, CHRIS."
< 1353629140 80322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It boots up a VM and installs Debian on it before running your program.
< 1353629143 211046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something.
< 1353629185 961809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's actually just running with a patched libc or something, no?
< 1353629240 815173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"I certify that CHRIS ____ ____ was born to parents CHRIS ____ ____ and CHRIS ____ ____ here in CHRIS this CHRIS day of CHRIS, CHRIS."
< 1353629362 239189 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be doing a clean checkout of that hg repo for every command, then committing whatever changes the command made
< 1353629389 748835 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think that would be that slow though
< 1353629419 495110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's doing that + starting linux
< 1353629510 922092 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh great, this is one of those indiana jones episodes
< 1353629644 846721 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :featuring: germans, russians, macgyver and traps
< 1353629719 671172 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dwarves are idiots pt. 325:
< 1353629737 973536 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :175 units of forgotten beast meat, sitting out in the open to rot
< 1353630030 532656 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1353630196 342056 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goblins have arrived
< 1353630216 756527 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot to actually make the bridges into my fortress retractible
< 1353630219 472132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`oh deer'
< 1353630226 616030 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: oh: not found
< 1353630426 235145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353630426 556708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353630426 865770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353630427 86043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353630427 301981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1353630439 323596 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :549)  king is something women are better at than men
< 1353630470 19628 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :417)  I can't afford one of those!   A grandchild, not a laser printer
< 1353630476 375944 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :768)  ais523: well, Dylan said "hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows", and then Lawlabee said "'cuz it's pretty awesome."   Except that by "it", Lawlabee was referring to something entirely different.   So when I added that quote, Lawlabee emotifrowned.
< 1353630479 96551 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :537)  elliott: mr president, commissioner, i fully accept that description when it comes to human rights. yes, with an average fat content of chocolate, and we are using double standards! we all know that under present legislation and also in relation to standardization bodies. if i do not want.
< 1353630481 74949 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :289)  and then there's the slightly annoying one where suddenly, i start rolling forward and i can't stop   like i can be having some great sex dream or whatever and then suddenly "oh god not this again"   (i go "not this again" but not necessarily realize it's a dream)
< 1353630526 55981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: any opinions
< 1353630588 178054 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes mayor this is the opportune moment to declare a party
< 1353630622 137143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we shall found... the Cheese Party!
< 1353630622 394306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: im going to start the df fort in a few minutes but
< 1353630625 434548 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1353630625 760744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive forgotten how to play df entirely
< 1353630652 522197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiki man
< 1353630672 943995 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo termcast it
< 1353630685 218988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ugh have you seen termcast brogue
< 1353630690 195355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1353630691 567257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :df...
< 1353630693 89258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to play `hugeterm faketerm df'
< 1353630694 678125 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive seen termcast df yes
< 1353630699 489565 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its hieous
< 1353630699 635067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a teeny tiny font
< 1353630706 728839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :80x25 df sounds unplayable
< 1353630722 801294 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget, did i termcast df adventure mode when i played it
< 1353630731 75789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye.
< 1353630733 105041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was
< 1353630733 864466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something
< 1353630737 512661 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed that :(
< 1353630755 197377 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :meanwhile, shachaf is whipping sorry motherfuckers apart left right and centre
< 1353630756 201916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's pretty much how any first df adventure mode experience goes
< 1353630767 23736 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is 'quite content' with this
< 1353630788 6156 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his favourite food is also coelecanth
< 1353630800 35311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best dorf
< 1353630808 78306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom_Hoover
< 1353630813 64078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whats going on"
< 1353630818 796942 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit
< 1353630823 404496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i checked his kills list
< 1353630826 948439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coelephant
< 1353630827 674714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: any opinions on the quotes btw
< 1353630837 453013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "oh"
< 1353630841 125989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Rename that dwarf!
< 1353630847 236347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thirty-three trolls (female sign) in Ghouldrip"
< 1353630862 449024 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"one troll (male sign) in The Mire Of Stroking"
< 1353630874 441056 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: uhh
< 1353630874 913143 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really hate female trolls
< 1353630896 596157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's their rude winking at him
< 1353630934 412349 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: #1 problem is my eyes keep glazing over, so to speak, when i try reading 537
< 1353630982 141028 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hey, what are those corpora you can use, again?
< 1353630982 827793 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it is as bad as please. the channel secretary will mail you the bill. :)
< 1353630992 176945 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: thanks in advance.
< 1353630992 861760 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ( i threw in the python-style slicing e.g. ( is that a computer cannot do?
< 1353630993 269415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1353630993 890922 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1353631004 563306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, req. that you at least enable scourges in the raws
< 1353631008 240127 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for dorfs, that is
< 1353631016 391225 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style qwantz
< 1353631016 733885 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: qwantz (Dinosaur Comics transcriptions 2003-2011)
< 1353631019 496886 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: oi
< 1353631020 181122 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: but i've got great names for everyone else's hypothetical sons! anything that comes out and people want to know
< 1353631027 858155 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods.
< 1353631108 207066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what do those do again
< 1353631130 727875 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whip shit
< 1353631136 87851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds bad
< 1353631150 104127 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also goblins
< 1353631183 158152 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1353631279 326061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: im going to leave the raws unchanged
< 1353631281 829690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :u r going to have to deal w/ it
< 1353631292 352527 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
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< 1353631549 840527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome sivoais
< 1353631554 6635 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sivoais: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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< 1353631720 464038 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks shachaf's entry in legends
< 1353631736 241563 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :his title is the Scholarly Ghost
< 1353631770 899817 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: can I have another one svp?
< 1353631771 463864 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: are you in this house, god? i am!
< 1353631780 914654 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I dunno.  One more svp.
< 1353631807 879999 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: well?  Don't just ignore me svp.
< 1353631820 995652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1 let t=t+1
< 1353631822 531955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed
< 1353631853 209787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's tha
< 1353631854 484863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t
< 1353631932 365888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hmm, was that an impostor a couple of days ago?
< 1353631947 478473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't look like it.
< 1353632002 450176 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you talking about
< 1353632014 116812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never mind.
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< 1353634966 949930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hug
< 1353634967 993347 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: looks more to me like a bush. my first play is more abstract, for you see, i ran this exercise! i also like to say hello
< 1353634989 16874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also like to say hello
< 1353634993 948252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot = monqy?
< 1353634994 731290 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: alternate universe, that's " law and order". and it doesn't have to be shakespeare. how's the weather up there so it makes sense, dromiceiomimus! anyway, if i did, good! cause you're just walking around, chatting with their friends, being attractive in the media
< 1353635047 9423 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot knows about the dromiceiomimus
< 1353635048 28272 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i don't think i ever want to be on to something like this, if people saw me on a mountaineering tale of the star of the story! choose from! and if i ever turn into a werewolf, i would definitely rate her current attractiveness as at least, i've never remembered them and they've never been enough to wake me up, which amounts to pretty much, yeah, i was there, encouraging when i see a jerk sitting, cautious in your movemen
< 1353635110 721172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Should I listen to Alice's Restaurant today?
< 1353635111 235657 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafe: i think, as a people, have been responsible. it'll all come flooding, then i'll certainly be blue! because
< 1353635120 233256 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you used to type on a piano?
< 1353635129 585413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: today and every day
< 1353635154 924650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: How did you do that?
< 1353635169 945009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Have you been to the restaurant?
< 1353635177 701687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in MA somewhere, isn't it?
< 1353635205 425247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stockbridge, MA
< 1353635206 594456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not
< 1353635225 858043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is at the other end of massachusetts :(
< 1353635255 393204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any trains stopping there?
< 1353635275 164517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could take the train to albany and bike
< 1353635276 380918 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: check check, i am making sense? reverse duck nailed on the fnord, we examine it gravely
< 1353635277 159068 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: oh, but i was never going to. but, i do know that others may live a real life it'll be a great show. people can call me...
< 1353635426 375362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to pittsfield actually
< 1353635487 936443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know they made an Alice's Restaurant film?
< 1353635498 463073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Featuring Officer Obie as Officer Obie.
< 1353635507 995579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :less than 4 hours
< 1353635510 443720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1353635598 482877 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ripple Effect
< 1353635599 925697 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1353635608 294126 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :à égalité avec Window of Opportunity je pense
< 1353635619 399561 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :merci coppro de m'avoir poussé à continuer
< 1353635781 333815 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, wrong language
< 1353635848 95797 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was saying, thank you coppro for talking me into watching the last two seasons of sg-1
< 1353635886 528085 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: and with that I'm off. gnight everyone
< 1353636025 961461 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I used to type on a device with 88 keys.  A piano is a device with 88 keys.
< 1353636033 989337 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, it is possible to logically conclude that I used to type on a piano.
< 1353636071 213398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: dgghinoot
< 1353636124 704781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... i see
< 1353636133 167430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was hoping for a cooler answer than that, sorry
< 1353636168 281588 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yamaha makes keyboards with 88 keys; therefore, it can be concluded that this sentence makes no sense
< 1353636785 464469 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1353637002 122551 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: feel free to come up with a cooler answer.
< 1353637187 258964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cooler answer would be that you had a MIDI keyboard hooked up to your computer and were using it to type in some clever way
< 1353637205 327644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just "one key per character" but like sweet chords and such
< 1353637235 85877 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine using emacs with that
< 1353637276 962339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you would use pedals for control and meta
< 1353637315 489976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I pedal to the meta
< 1353637342 641675 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett removed 17 of the alphabet characters from his keyboard.
< 1353637344 473325 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I sprained my ankles the other day." "How?"
< 1353637446 960764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am currently two keys short of a full keyboard.
< 1353637494 804407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(...If you know what I mean.)
< 1353637551 784196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should buy the kinesis foot pedals
< 1353637840 129309 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc:  can someone direct me to the list of available IRC commands for this channel? seems to be unique (restricted), relative to other channels.
< 1353637842 691034 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/  //
< 1353637844 345995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1353637845 273888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/  / /
< 1353637993 849734 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1353639986 744766 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\/\//\/ \//
< 1353640283 645596 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah, I like that idea.
< 1353640287 471424 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be easy enough to implement.
< 1353640322 894844 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353640360 176759 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :First, say that there are 31 characters that you can type by pressing some combination of the notes C through G.
< 1353640370 788598 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make them octave-independent, so that you can alternate between hands.
< 1353640444 18570 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make other characters using black keys, right?  Say that D, E, and G can be flatted, giving you three options for those letters instead of two, so that brings you up to... 107 characters.
< 1353640469 658745 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is more than the number of ASCII printable characters, so you should be more or less in business.
< 1353640471 887765 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the other two notes in the octave...?
< 1353640505 325456 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno.
< 1353640518 295427 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :As and Bs can be modifiers, if you want.
< 1353641134 879882 :lightquake!lightquake@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in
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< 1353643234 183721 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :♫
< 1353643383 339548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1353643459 59893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Solved the unsafeCoerce!
< 1353643469 972079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, kmc:
< 1353643486 540818 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1353643668 344321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck, fmap unsafeCoerce
< 1353643670 649208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's inefficient
< 1353643767 890595 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just use unsafeCoerce :: (Functor f) => f a -> f b"
< 1353643793 710338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Huh?
< 1353643796 635352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not the solution.
< 1353643807 465777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The solution is fmap (const undefined)
< 1353643815 640712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "btw this function never actually gets called ever"
< 1353643833 147404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is https://github.com/ekmett/lens/commit/529aa2e6992de1c1a91ae58bc77e29381cb1de00 the wrong commit
< 1353643835 606786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"should i feel foolish now"
< 1353643840 473557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why does coerce exist
< 1353643842 594883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is never called
< 1353643850 431965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why is it (<$) undefined rather than just undefined
< 1353643855 316129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's when I told edwardk "you can use fmap undefined" and he read it as "fmap unsafeCoerce"
< 1353643897 602063 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Gettable g => Gettable (EvilBazaar a b g) where
< 1353643900 131822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "why not"
< 1353643922 548916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "who needs the where"
< 1353643936 242554 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs the random double quotes around every sentence
< 1353644029 194912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do.
< 1353644032 922545 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yeah who needs them"
< 1353644096 680914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Haddock' seems to 'require' 'them'
< 1353644122 732473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://windows95tips.tumblr.com/
< 1353644451 238730 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s just as i remember.
< 1353644600 301117 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353644696 635279 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1353644761 807256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Wasn't Windows 95 great?
< 1353644780 809051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353644821 330966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1353644862 367777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcdjm3MIdo1rehruqo1_500.png
< 1353644870 594069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That screen was great.
< 1353644906 716992 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes
< 1353644969 585348 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that BazaarT’s Gettable doesn’t use unsafeCoerce, couldn’t one just have a single Bazaar and document it with “plz don’t make stupid Gettable instances, kthxbye”?
< 1353644987 491831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I brought that up in #-blah
< 1353646807 605923 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1353650431 25057 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
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< 1353650610 348402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Uh oh.
< 1353651469 208105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is edwardk really adding this abomination
< 1353651617 319702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "should i fight it"
< 1353651643 958434 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about
< 1353651644 199290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353651647 10508 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least
< 1353651651 893167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fight for it to not take the name field :P
< 1353651658 880343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey free country
< 1353651663 456484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do whatever is right
< 1353651706 133736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which country?
< 1353651722 760227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1353651884 364865 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There’s about ⅓ chance he’s trolling us.
< 1353651953 992566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is hitting back.
< 1353651957 167995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"countertroll"
< 1353652016 812220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'm serious about this peek thing
< 1353652127 411228 :sirdancealot8!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353652617 646966 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1353654216 77026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you really improving this awful thing
< 1353654243 62264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll go on your tombstone
< 1353654307 414181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sorry"
< 1353654381 906266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :container analogies :(
< 1353654419 601071 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wow, I had no idea it was this bad
< 1353654437 899577 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
< 1353654516 963394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"covariant" is just a scary word. :-(
< 1353654533 482726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should say a functor "produces" a value in some sense.
< 1353654541 670303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: congrats on introducing a new use of unsafeCoerce
< 1353654543 112450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope you're happy
< 1353654547 271927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353654549 272490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was one before too!
< 1353654558 546461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, how else would it work?
< 1353654561 172698 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: remember that time you used unsafeCoerce
< 1353654570 272808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe if it kept the TypeRep around?
< 1353654571 682814 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dont think I've ever used unsafeCoerce!!
< 1353654581 545339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that wouldn't really help, would it?
< 1353654582 954705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i use unsafeCoerce a lot, i like it
< 1353654599 47960 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unsafeCoerce 5 :: IO Int
< 1353654599 257131 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1342177280
< 1353654600 962672 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `unsafeCoerce'
< 1353654603 751187 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a first time for everything
< 1353654632 917304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong monqy
< 1353654633 608586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> unsafeCoerce 5 :: IO Int
< 1353654633 754135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-3458764513820540928
< 1353654639 314038 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unsafeCoerce "hello" :: IO String
< 1353654639 576924 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: internal error: stg_ap_v_ret (GHC version 7.6.1 for i386_unknown_linux) Please report this as a GHC bug:  http://www.haskell.org/ghc/reportabug
< 1353654640 672042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when will you learn to haskell :'(
< 1353654641 267265 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `unsafeCoerce'
< 1353654642 318379 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1]    10014 abort (core dumped)  ghci
< 1353654657 929747 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm liking this function
< 1353654743 242762 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Unsafe.Coerce System.IO.Unsafe> unsafeCoerce (unsafePerformIO $ putStr "safe") :: String
< 1353654746 436843 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"safe"
< 1353654748 268670 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the best function ever
< 1353654761 47772 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy.... you just coerced a to a
< 1353654763 624602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no wait
< 1353654768 39061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you coerced () to String
< 1353654769 128895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool cool
< 1353654772 451559 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353655772 670939 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O at that working
< 1353655794 901923 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1353655823 601542 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting "safe" back from putStr "safe"
< 1353655847 809071 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you understand what's going on
< 1353655933 1264 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My understanding says it's surprising that that happens, so possibly not.
< 1353656046 363691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: bam
< 1353656055 78512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bam?
< 1353656059 974367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :immutable data jokes.
< 1353656095 494316 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bam
< 1353656176 942838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "fighting the good fight"
< 1353656245 897840 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how our IRC is spread pretty arbitrarily over, like, four active channels.
< 1353656264 869182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the fourth one?
< 1353656271 427722 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :-lens
< 1353656279 123358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess.
< 1353656293 855474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a lens channel?
< 1353656312 219081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly a "making fun of elliott" channel.
< 1353656328 199425 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mun of elliott
< 1353656330 417325 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mulliott
< 1353656357 731133 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's every channel
< 1353656362 630590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is it #haskell-lens
< 1353656406 684081 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#making-fun-of-elliott-lens
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< 1353670654 14032 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :WYRMWOOD - An Australian Zombie Film (Out 2013) http://youtu.be/yFrGrH5zfbg
< 1353670683 399758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you just continually dump irrelevant links
< 1353670835 661120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's some sort of a bot.
< 1353670847 383422 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a problem? I can cease if they’re not wanted. (That trailer was promising, though.)
< 1353670904 148894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's mainly that you just post them without comment or anything
< 1353670904 785958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to have an impressive capability of providing superficially relevant-looking responses.
< 1353670914 383222 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow
< 1353670920 129780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Listen and learn something, would you? 
< 1353670921 42282 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: alternate universe, that's " law and order". and it doesn't have to be shakespeare. i'll do better next time, ok? let me know, right?
< 1353670926 572521 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie's claws are out
< 1353670928 529391 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm scared
< 1353670951 928198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no, I was just monkeying around.
< 1353671083 842037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, also zombies have been done to death by now
< 1353671113 535290 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. That trailer was still promising.
< 1353671135 210467 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Everything* has been done to death by now. :-P
< 1353671154 336123 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just looked like a lot of shaky camera work and washed-out filters to me
< 1353671212 90799 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignoring the visual style, i found what they were doing with the zombies (not spoiling) interesting.
< 1353671218 474647 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hadn’t seen that before.
< 1353671223 441367 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the gas?
< 1353671290 174799 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353671306 152393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure adding a new infection vector makes zombies interesting again
< 1353671320 681383 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not that.
< 1353671351 10902 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gurl jrer hfvat mbzovrf sbe shry.
< 1353671390 798834 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's just silly
< 1353671443 425508 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to dislike it, but i’m going to watch that movie. :-P
< 1353671516 390944 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=5971
< 1353671520 506380 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :df bugs are best bugs
< 1353671542 779496 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s not as if the concept of zombies isn’t silly in the first place, it can still be entertaining.
< 1353671566 857993 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1353671594 514433 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the links to graphs.
< 1353671660 710617 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are correct ones later on
< 1353671676 656846 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :df's temperature system is probably the most awful piece of coding in it
< 1353671691 724653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the bit that says "When the unit's fat amount crosses a 2500 boundary, its clothing insulation is recomputed."
< 1353671709 12030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has very little effect on gameplay outside of a couple of situations, yet having it on at all cuts your fps in half
< 1353671784 149256 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1353677542 559505 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353677805 550977 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are pronounced "mon-adds"?
< 1353677807 920019 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow
< 1353677817 900325 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always pronounced them "moan-adds"
< 1353679233 909953 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353679283 453384 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353679539 561023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always pronounced them "gonads".
< 1353680461 49335 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-104.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353681181 877152 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Both are acceptable
< 1353681213 145067 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's a relief
< 1353681222 16595 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mon-add" sounds really weird to me
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< 1353683423 138110 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ad in gonad is not pronounced the same way as the add in add?
< 1353684550 886650 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1353685325 457887 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
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< 1353686549 336399 :osho_!~i9@dsbg-5d82a940.pool.mediaWays.net PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1353689649 313405 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot believe it
< 1353689656 431123 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my music prof was going to give us a dictation test
< 1353689673 980844 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and managed to pull off a rare and highly irritating psyche out 3x combo
< 1353689684 960914 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*x3
< 1353689733 413647 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you enjoy the ballet, then?
< 1353689740 709032 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Gateship. It's a ship. It goes through the gate!
< 1353691272 114101 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353691702 686761 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353692233 633559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353692374 647441 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: no ballet :(
< 1353692626 637105 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353693164 765065 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what I'm doing
< 1353693176 834697 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm stumbling around in the darkness of my own mind
< 1353693179 357396 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: neither does elliott
< 1353693204 892388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1353693210 93265 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :see?
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< 1353697909 321706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi elliott 
< 1353697912 634522 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dwarfs
< 1353697931 825127 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, should I continue with PalaceCrushed?
< 1353697965 790690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... i don't think a succession game with 2 people really /works/
< 1353697990 692258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one thing, there's no succession like with 3 people, you're just swapping
< 1353698002 326062 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1353698025 306350 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pretty nice fort, though, so I'll continue it on my own
< 1353698063 394375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh i didn't start it
< 1353698064 658059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will soon
< 1353698655 942505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1353699395 759043 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so today
< 1353699401 951037 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i walked into class to hear elevatorstuck
< 1353699417 23652 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the world is trying to tell me something
< 1353699421 902173 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :its probably to get more sleep
< 1353699453 224713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ion, also zombies have been done to death by now <-- they were dead from the start hth
< 1353699491 304402 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i waited so long for someone to make that joke
< 1353699518 431783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i did help, then
< 1353699752 708876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:52:44:  I have no idea what I'm doing
< 1353699752 896021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:52:56:  I'm stumbling around in the darkness of my own mind
< 1353699761 836547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to the club
< 1353699789 885346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> " "
< 1353699791 526335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  " "
< 1353699840 647042 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> xor 3 4
< 1353699842 385293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  7
< 1353699862 143124 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> print "test"
< 1353699863 986869 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  can't find file: L.hs
< 1353699900 57444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lambdabot race condition, i think.
< 1353699904 318111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> print "test"
< 1353699906 511252 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (GHC.Types.IO ()))
< 1353699906 822953 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of ...
< 1353699929 923695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the usual response.  or wait it didn't use to that for IO types...
< 1353699936 939504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to do that
< 1353699954 582419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number of stupid conflicting instances in lambdabot is growing.
< 1353699981 802228 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353700048 108605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case under none of the instances would lambdabot actually print "test"
< 1353700079 232455 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1353700094 122839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : the number of stupid conflicting instances in lambdabot is growing.
< 1353700097 38556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the error again
< 1353700101 43701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's shrinking
< 1353700129 868394 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353700216 316104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there are _none_ now?
< 1353700261 78984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I wouldn't go that far.
< 1353700270 373352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for IO.
< 1353700344 939827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i see edwardk renamed field
< 1353700475 301072 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353700498 958178 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This week I thought of using RGB<->HSV for audio as well not only for pictures
< 1353700643 338836 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would that even mean for audio?
< 1353700722 102694 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the closest I can think of for audio would be like an FFT...?  but it's really not the same thing
< 1353700729 887061 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :extract the red, green and blue sounds, put back hued, saturated and valuable sounds
< 1353700772 309240 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something with the colors of noise?
< 1353700782 256562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I thought was something like using R,G,B as the left, front, back channels and then convert to HSV to do modification on that and then back to RGB
< 1353700862 32810 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's something *analogous* done in a lot of audio formats, actually.
< 1353700910 158650 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backwards-compatible analog stereo is generally done via L+R and L-R signals, and audio compression prefers doing that too.
< 1353700920 761940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know about that.
< 1353700932 350930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it something like YUV?
< 1353701002 658299 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :L+R is literally L added to R (and similarly for L-R)
< 1353701038 236548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and I think Ambisonic-B is similar but with more directions than just left and right
< 1353701041 768585 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... think YUV has more complex coefficients
< 1353701060 201105 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y ~= 0.7G + 0.2R + 0.1B?
< 1353701063 591759 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah, Ambisonic-B is more similar.
< 1353701086 865075 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353701104 184031 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair approximation.
< 1353701275 785931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have won all 23 games of basketball this season. But I still try to improve, just in case.
< 1353701311 653461 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Once I have made something like YUV for pictures, but treating all channels as equal instead of using coefficients like that
< 1353701331 880809 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you need the coefficients to match human perception...
< 1353701445 997486 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1353701466 423488 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mayor has sentenced a random bone doctor to 40 days in jail because i forgot to make him some damn shields
< 1353701492 669441 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :little does he realise that i have a cold case for murder that i can pin on anyone i want
< 1353701492 969994 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Strictly speaking it's not *necessary*.
< 1353701511 481062 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The advantage of the coefficients is that it lets you transmit U and V with less resolution and still look acceptable.
< 1353701513 768573 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the best results I mean, but yeah
< 1353701520 251295 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there also the thing with grayscale?
< 1353701530 269653 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. "the Y channel looks like a grayscale version of the video"
< 1353701533 361697 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right, duh.
< 1353701535 59451 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if it was shot with black and white film
< 1353701556 366142 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember YUV was originally created as a backwards-compatibility thing to black and white television if I'm remembering my wikipedia right
< 1353701565 548186 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you wouldn't be able to use the Y signal as greyscale.
< 1353701569 403408 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yes, that's what it's for.
< 1353701570 166106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy your 201 days in prison you twat
< 1353701574 227476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also use that with component video input/output in TV sets and other devices which have that.
< 1353701581 720810 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just so happens it's *also* good as an easy compression format.
< 1353701581 866418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have tried that and it works.
< 1353701588 137414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353701597 23255 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1353701616 40907 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other compression scheme used on analog video, interlacing, sucks ass though.
< 1353702254 180289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that even qualify as a compression scheme?
< 1353702273 188912 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more of a hack to increase the perceived framerate without affecting the bandwidth at all
< 1353702472 68012 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just noticed an interesting behaviour of flash videos on Windows, if the browser window is not focused the video stutters badly (< 1 FPS). How strange.
< 1353702763 927101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes a certain amount of sense that programs that aren't focused should get fewer resources
< 1353702774 118954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not necessarily a good idea but i could see why someone would think it is
< 1353703203 649472 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1353703234 587326 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it is not like the computer is heavily loaded either though
< 1353703251 931479 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could flash itself choose to do that?  maybe to avoid loading the CPU when the tab isn't active
< 1353703261 703683 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that is of course possible
< 1353703264 763690 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, to not render images when it's not displayed
< 1353703286 138211 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly since it doesn't happen on youtube in fact
< 1353703414 386368 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :flash would never avoid loading the CPU
< 1353703529 656390 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1353703738 304031 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1353703924 28023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Renamed field *and* pushed it into Data.Data.Lens!
< 1353703928 861534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i did it 4 u"
< 1353704208 662607 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me is the IO scheduler of windows terrible when under heavy load?
< 1353704258 540316 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :as soon as you start an installer for something huge, anything else trying to use the disk become very unresponsive. Linux on the same computer doesn't do that.
< 1353704430 144226 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353704642 812230 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing you're searching for is always the hardest to find...
< 1353704988 12768 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevermind, I found it
< 1353704996 937120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear it's always in the last place you look
< 1353705120 38033 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353705755 163744 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1353705871 695148 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that's totally not true.
< 1353705909 901036 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I don't see a way to elaborate without killing the joke
< 1353705936 686617 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't fret, you already have
< 1353705952 202990 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you never find it, it was not in the last place you looked.
< 1353706155 100744 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, how's the Eodermdrone interpreter going?
< 1353706197 988229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's probably stuck on the edge cases
< 1353706207 693052 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :got as far as subgraph isomorphism, got bored with the replacement bit
< 1353706211 491111 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess I should figure that out
< 1353706357 627082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: c.c
< 1353706389 418899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't seen that smiley before
< 1353706524 601126 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1353706834 752069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (%~)
< 1353706836 194374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setting s t a b -> (a -> b) -> s -> t
< 1353706861 243081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t both
< 1353706862 910730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => (a -> f b) -> (a, a) -> f (b, b)
< 1353706984 420926 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> both %~ 4 $ ("hello","oerjan"
< 1353706986 376102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  :1:30: parse error (possibly incorrect indentation)
< 1353706986 904663 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> both %~ 4 $ ("hello","oerjan")
< 1353706988 913694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (4,4)
< 1353706999 92619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I can't tell if that's meant as a joke or not.
< 1353707011 637618 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows
< 1353707022 535693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're applying the function 4 to two strings.
< 1353707046 411388 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 is the best function, which means I should get some sleep soon
< 1353707065 592184 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I haven't had sugary food in... 30 hours
< 1353707092 241774 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 4
< 1353707093 680997 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a
< 1353707106 428866 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 4 `asAppliedTo` ""
< 1353707108 1154 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num b => [Char] -> b
< 1353707121 350927 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I should have written
< 1353707124 386315 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just what i've always wanted
< 1353707128 229379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (both %~)
< 1353707128 374907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hm..."
< 1353707129 797496 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) -> (a, a) -> (b, b)
< 1353707130 527478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "hm..."
< 1353707133 937507 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> both .~ 4 ("hello", "oerjan")
< 1353707136 125766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  *Exception: show: No overloading for function
< 1353707142 46645 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> both .~ 4 $ ("hello", "oerjan")
< 1353707144 12432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (4,4)
< 1353707154 686784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> set both 4 ("hello","Bike")
< 1353707156 819685 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (4,4)
< 1353707190 12547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> productOf both (4,4)
< 1353707191 957269 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  16
< 1353707219 548545 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353707222 320384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t productOf
< 1353707223 905579 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting (Product a) s t a b -> s -> a
< 1353707235 661147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa
< 1353707259 843896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s t a b  seems like the right sequence of characters, there
< 1353707260 158567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help
< 1353707270 628684 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> productOf folded [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10]
< 1353707272 777374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  3628800
< 1353707278 16338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I advocated for it and went through th entire package renaming to it.
< 1353707281 644846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t folded
< 1353707282 72516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a b c d before.
< 1353707283 477226 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Applicative f1, Foldable f, Gettable f1) => (a -> f1 a) -> f a -> f1 (f a)
< 1353707294 598509 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Folded turns a Foldable into a Fold
< 1353707296 566481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That type is ugly.
< 1353707307 194148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :folded :: Foldable f => Fold (f a) a
< 1353707335 937921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty id :: Getting a a a a a
< 1353707337 437664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting a a a a a
< 1353707362 639482 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :id ^?! "huh"
< 1353707372 531312 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> id ^?! "huh"
< 1353707374 210131 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `^?!'
< 1353707374 550866 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1353707374 696379 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   `^!' (imported from...
< 1353707401 754873 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, Cale doesn't upgrade his libraries every half an hour like the rest of us
< 1353707421 992821 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a type error anyway
< 1353707445 411886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "huh" ^? folded
< 1353707446 154577 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"huh" ^?! id, however
< 1353707447 330978 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Just 'h'
< 1353707461 264527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "huh" ^? id
< 1353707463 385033 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Just "huh"
< 1353707481 745415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why use ^?! when you can use ^. ?
< 1353707489 189072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think haskell has officially gone off the deep end.
< 1353707503 761244 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell started off the deep end
< 1353707504 825205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: NO U
< 1353707509 856204 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's doing laps of the pool
< 1353707518 435476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Want a quick explanation of lens?
< 1353707563 387418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i don't think my brain can absorb one.
< 1353707573 692659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not that complicated!
< 1353707582 707772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just reading the first post in a slow one.
< 1353707583 567689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sumOf mapM [1,2,3,4]
< 1353707585 302876 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Base.Monad
< 1353707585 596088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    (Control.Lens.Internal....
< 1353707594 627306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah.
< 1353707594 847181 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lenses are like Monads: they look complicated because they are complicated
< 1353707600 479926 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However you get them with practise
< 1353707606 443226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point.
< 1353707676 59785 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, basically, edwardk went insane and kidnapped then brainwashed and enslaved shachaf
< 1353707677 285434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my problem right now is that :t gives types that don't fit together without memorizing type synonyms...
< 1353707702 607766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, eh, the problem with monads is that they're actually infuratingly simple
< 1353707703 296006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The synonyms are actually simple if you know the pattern.
< 1353707712 550989 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's just no obvious motivation for them to exist at all
< 1353707723 995676 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're like lenses but backwards then
< 1353707727 638625 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sesnel
< 1353707745 972731 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :snel
< 1353707749 884883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude
< 1353707752 557180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa
< 1353707764 772637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fresnel lens = almost a palindrome
< 1353707772 757116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fresnel lens erf
< 1353707774 951860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitte snel
< 1353707784 867709 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ee, fresnel lens, er... free!
< 1353707790 350387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "this fact requires immediate attention"
< 1353707824 326923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ☝
< 1353707835 134614 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1353707853 922776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought monqy quit
< 1353707856 396218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh monqy
< 1353707860 67701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :where would we be without you
< 1353707863 725486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dark ungreeted world
< 1353707867 221575 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quit????
< 1353707873 194028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: don't ever start smoking, ok?
< 1353707879 559934 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: quit hi
< 1353707884 27483 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never
< 1353707893 350487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi is bad for you, monqy
< 1353707900 222457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might get irc cancer
< 1353707915 413797 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::[
< 1353707918 137236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi is the gateway drug to irc
< 1353707934 522861 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went cold turkey on "Hello"
< 1353707944 40676 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can give up hi, monqy!
< 1353707945 430373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I thought they made computers?
< 1353707948 11197 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not hard!
< 1353707956 951391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: who?
< 1353707965 500996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gateway
< 1353707971 265568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353707976 42965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On October 16, 2007, Acer Inc. completed its acquisition of Gateway for approximately US$710 million.[3]
< 1353708092 489750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> set (partsOf (traverse.both.traverse)) "OERJAN JOHANSEN" [("hi","there"),("to","you"),("san","francisco")]
< 1353708094 629123 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [("OE","RJAN "),("JO","HAN"),("SEN","francisco")]
< 1353708126 970736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan johansen francisco
< 1353708184 824791 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did that even do
< 1353708201 128903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one knows.
< 1353708206 224535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Bike knows.
< 1353708210 292296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Fiora knows?
< 1353708214 767475 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oe rjan jo han Sen Francisco.
< 1353708217 969518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet would know.
< 1353708227 568270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant knows.
< 1353708229 728548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover knows.
< 1353708250 132025 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353708254 677643 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would I know?
< 1353708261 26524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry monqy
< 1353708264 828310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the answer is no"
< 1353708268 238951 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'(
< 1353708277 255117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wait, was the answer know?"
< 1353708278 753544 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you ever want to do that, I wonder
< 1353708281 391318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"maybe it was a command"
< 1353708281 678301 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...well to be honest I see what it did but I have no idea why
< 1353708283 759996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type traverse
< 1353708284 806892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :know monqy
< 1353708285 192513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Applicative f, Traversable t) => (a -> f b) -> t a -> f (t b)
< 1353708293 299583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :know monqy!
< 1353708310 931752 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type partsOf
< 1353708312 685833 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => LensLike (Control.Lens.Internal.Bazaar a a) s t a a -> ([a] -> f [a]) -> s -> f t
< 1353708335 38968 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im glad everything in lens has a dumb type signature
< 1353708344 930499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wow that type is old"
< 1353708347 39808 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is so clear now
< 1353708348 227247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and outdated"
< 1353708350 126337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :partsOf :: Functor f => LensLike (BazaarT a a f) s t a a -> LensLike f s t [a] [a]
< 1353708411 331202 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if only i knew lens"
< 1353708420 448301 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should learn it!!!!!!!
< 1353708434 940241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "tbh idk if you can handle it"
< 1353708443 386564 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops
< 1353708458 678320 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, partsOf takes a Traversal and returns a Lens
< 1353708477 926860 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Traversal is basically a traditional Haskell Traversable
< 1353708480 414121 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t traverse
< 1353708482 115815 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Applicative f, Traversable t) => (a -> f b) -> t a -> f (t b)
< 1353708485 574160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :partsOf' :: LensLike (Bazaar a a) s t a a -> Lens s t [a] [a]
< 1353708514 452548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: lens 3.6 is getting a new function called "upon"
< 1353708518 805819 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :traverse is in base, AND in lens! And it's exactly the same thing!
< 1353708522 499222 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is upon good ?
< 1353708531 861761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no it's evil :'(
< 1353708537 845400 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard there's a function called "field" and it's evil
< 1353708539 323075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The deeply-nested version will be called uponTheDeep
< 1353708546 894298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: then it's only a matter of time before it gets "smite"
< 1353708550 661996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sidles away carefully ->
< 1353708550 807367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "field" is now called "upon" :'(
< 1353708554 931790 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1353708563 124703 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, a Traversal s t a b is Applicative f => (a -> f b) -> s -> f t
< 1353708575 591045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ s t a b atriq
< 1353708582 24733 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no!
< 1353708584 809906 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dies
< 1353708886 930816 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can read a Traversal s t a b as something where if you can change an a into a b, you can change an s into a t, and also if you can turn a into a monoid, you can turn s into THE SAME MONOID!
< 1353708912 183041 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty cool, huh?
< 1353708925 399592 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does everything have to be single letters
< 1353708941 882085 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because single letters make words
< 1353708945 959767 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "stab"
< 1353708954 294441 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that is a good answer
< 1353708977 307832 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also I can't think of long names
< 1353708994 715747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traversal hi there monqy
< 1353708996 287905 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Traversal collectionType1 collectionType2 elementType1 elementType2"?
< 1353709004 140734 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIDICULOUS
< 1353709009 222089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traversal source target alpha beta
< 1353709094 614054 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> partsOf both %~ reverse $ ('a','b')
< 1353709096 495815 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ('b','a')
< 1353709122 657674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: ew
< 1353709127 447109 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :partsOf lets you use list functions on Traversals with a consistent element type
< 1353709128 68363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :partsOf :(
< 1353709133 728840 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, wait
< 1353709139 171502 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very good for overkilling like that
< 1353709139 317098 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse $ ('a','b')
< 1353709141 289929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[a0]' with actual type `(t0, t1)'
< 1353709146 542626 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :geh.
< 1353709148 515585 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> swap ('a','b')
< 1353709150 282159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ('b','a')
< 1353709362 368686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: ghc doesn't inline reverse :-(
< 1353709370 262776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean that it doesn't turn reverse [a,b] into [b,a]
< 1353709394 860794 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1353709395 348469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is to say, if you write unsafePartsOf both %~ (\[x,y] -> [y,x]), the code gets nicely optimized.
< 1353709408 274034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even without unsafe
< 1353709418 706278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can you fix ghc's optimizer
< 1353709436 741610 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That assumes you know that it's being given a traversal with only two elements
< 1353709448 418114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: You do.
< 1353709455 792314 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, true
< 1353709472 96223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :      m_X1kK =
< 1353709472 262258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :        case reverse1
< 1353709472 407744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :               @ a_aRu
< 1353709472 407924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :               (:
< 1353709472 408030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  @ a_aRu
< 1353709474 658836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  (case w_s1mf of _ { (a4_a1e3, a'_a1e4) -> a4_a1e3 })
< 1353709477 63262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  (:
< 1353709479 726027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :                     @ a_aRu
< 1353709482 168241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :                     (case w_s1mf of _ { (a4_a1e8, a'_a1e9) -> a'_a1e9 })
< 1353709483 222368 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit if I said "partsOf traverse %~ reverse"
< 1353709484 568939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :                     ([] @ a_aRu)))
< 1353709512 16935 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> partsOf traverse %~ reverse $ Seq.fromList [1,2,3]
< 1353709514 244099 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  fromList [3,2,1]
< 1353709537 57131 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.139.241 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353709589 75216 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to learn to read GHC Core
< 1353709607 279823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cabal install ghc-core
< 1353709630 240568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc-core --no-cast file.hs
< 1353709634 383786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just learn to ignore everything
< 1353709643 121368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore all the parts that have @s
< 1353709652 959563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are type arguments.
< 1353709716 432758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trick to reading generated code is knowing what *not* to read.
< 1353709761 922779 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: POULEEEEEEEEEEEET!
< 1353709922 699504 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353709960 501595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should just compile -fvia-C and read the C code instead
< 1353709961 587359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1353710034 281737 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to write a Haskell interpreter at one point
< 1353710136 418739 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you
< 1353710137 964813 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353710142 366051 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1353710144 537679 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I was
< 1353710147 752694 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353710150 433003 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was going to be called "PHI"
< 1353710220 170068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1353710444 354861 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portinatx Haskell Interpreter
< 1353710521 904425 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-191.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1353710621 708171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353711354 711853 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that we should airlift nomic players to any nation that has just been through revolution, so maybe they can check for loopholes that allow power grabs.
< 1353711397 451770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sense a sudden decrease in nomic player life expectancy
< 1353711694 292401 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo elliott r you fortress
< 1353711711 373151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, should i
< 1353711741 962950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!!
< 1353711899 760423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i just know you're going to do something dumb like embark on a terrifying glacier, don't do that
< 1353711906 316466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you do anything at all
< 1353711922 602201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i am busy playing crawl to an audience of 76 people right now
< 1353711926 334471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, 55 now
< 1353711935 366727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's 9
< 1353711946 182453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent
< 1353711956 614122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :projected time till it hits 0?
< 1353711970 111616 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite.
< 1353711991 335601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still 9
< 1353712002 403137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 million?
< 1353712009 314940 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell them to go away!
< 1353712925 900663 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.139.241 QUIT :Quit: http://BASICcomic.com
< 1353713259 947904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "you're missing all the lens discussions"
< 1353713265 453103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"your chance to make history"
< 1353713366 841289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what discussions
< 1353713396 836291 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1353713492 306101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they seem to have lost focus.
< 1353713516 688464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is this a pun?
< 1353713521 330177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a spy in our midst?
< 1353713544 734438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no comment.
< 1353713567 642462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what discussions
< 1353713577 32964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: We're talking about renaming operations in .Zipper now
< 1353713587 315362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353713588 498689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"focus" is one of the operations in .Zipper
< 1353713593 440030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This can't be a coïncidence.
< 1353713594 491229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the joke that it's in the secret lens channel
< 1353713599 194284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you won't tell me the name of if i ask
< 1353713626 622528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I will?
< 1353713675 330295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that isn't the joke
< 1353713682 99634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did already ask yesterday iirc anyway
< 1353713689 783005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1353713692 605242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's #haskell-lens
< 1353713782 233354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this channel doesn't make any sense
< 1353713802 603816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It doesn't even have a topic!
< 1353714432 240388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Nagios, "output" means "first line of output", and "long output" means "other lines of output"
< 1353714456 779444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let output = take 1 output in output
< 1353714460 586740 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1353714623 794787 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, elliott and monqy and Phantom_Hoover have been updated.
< 1353716817 750046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: ?
< 1353716829 674373 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be somehow amazing if elliott, monqy and Phantom_Hoover were all bots run by Sgeo__
< 1353716832 622826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, was that line /meant/ to not make sense?
< 1353716846 997764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There's a "Homestuck" update.
< 1353716851 945344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__ is notifying them.
< 1353716860 162008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1353716865 353193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo notify
< 1353716873 42515 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and I see the channel has become #haskell-lens for the past few hours ... thanks shachaf
< 1353716898 485732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ywolsner
< 1353716901 863650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which channel?
< 1353716910 68952 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell-lens, presumably
< 1353716917 288648 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what other channel could be #haskell-lens
< 1353716922 806270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ##crawl
< 1353716926 24428 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0
< 1353716987 325689 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatedly, I got three packets of ketchup for free when I paid for my food
< 1353716993 539342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE A BOSS
< 1353717001 394223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is #haskell-lens about?
< 1353717011 8209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell and lens
< 1353717011 153689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I like your use of the word "relatedly"
< 1353717039 746307 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopedly, it is indeed a word
< 1353717091 978707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "hi olsner i know you like pretending to be oerjan but its not wokring"
< 1353717134 498118 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehm, I'm not pretending
< 1353717140 219779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf i know you like pretending to ...
< 1353717177 562408 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1353717187 525665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: be monqy+you?
< 1353717202 106117 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it would've been a bit better if I could have said that as " ehm, I'm not pretending"
< 1353717202 542629 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353717375 314106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehm, I'm nøt pretending
< 1353717493 247692 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :This jøke is getting øld.
< 1353717647 225123 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1353717678 545572 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353717805 263 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is ##crawl where you usually discuss haskell lens libraries?
< 1353717831 248262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Sometimes I discuss them in #lesswrong
< 1353717836 360303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what I'm doing in that channel.
< 1353717838 248566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's terrible.
< 1353717853 422109 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353718051 550058 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't know why you're there, maybe you should leave
< 1353718052 875142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it terrible
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< 1353719947 664031 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: elliott: apparently Simon Marlow is leaving MSR to work at Facebook
< 1353719955 75786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is going to stop working on GHC full time
< 1353719963 623231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I heard.
< 1353719965 692292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and basically it is the end times
< 1353719966 347796 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell/2012-November/023566.html
< 1353719981 471928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The RTS will be lonely.
< 1353720066 816335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Now's your chance to rise up and take over the Haskell compiler world with THC.
< 1353720125 182102 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to make a Csound plugin, currently I made and tested the "avecrev" command which reverses a a-rate vector.
< 1353720357 501698 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heeeeeeeeey
< 1353720366 801425 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comin' up on my one year anniversary of tongue-face-smiley-freedom.
< 1353720389 752256 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1353721018 387403 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened worth anniversarising?
< 1353721092 387261 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: On December 17th, 2011, I swore off the tongue-face smiley forever.
< 1353721186 197643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you stayed cold-turkey since
< 1353721196 149124 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colon pee
< 1353721232 42442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor proved the power of machine over man
< 1353721243 147066 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Mmmhmm.
< 1353721310 192838 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1353724429 177803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, is BSD the fourth most popular operating system family?
< 1353724444 778657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(after the Windowses and the Linuxes and the OS X/iOSes?)
< 1353724454 832893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do old-fashioned commercial Unices still beat it?
< 1353724456 903168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something else?
< 1353724524 404338 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing it'd depend how you count popular, like, do OSs running on embedded systems count, or just PCs, or...
< 1353724527 389034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean "most popular OS to run on traditional PC hardware and macs"
< 1353724532 976994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1353724584 538369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about desktop/laptop/tablet systems, I guess
< 1353724589 768428 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems pretty arbitrary
< 1353724591 534550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that are meant to be interacted with by a human
< 1353724597 366681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :many embedded systems are
< 1353724605 575647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as their primary function
< 1353724617 345040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess the Rasperry Pi counts, but similar systems used as industrial controllers don't
< 1353724617 753832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about the dash computer in your car
< 1353724625 591614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't own a car
< 1353724627 965562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a thermostat -- its primary purpose is to take instructions from a human and execute them
< 1353724637 668320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thermostats are still analog where I live
< 1353724646 668565 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :symbian is a phone OS even though it mostly runs on dumbphones I think
< 1353724647 452336 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about the 100 or so microcontrollers inside your PC alongside the main CPU
< 1353724650 299765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, a thermostat's primary function is to control the temperature
< 1353724657 310687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does its job even when you aren't sitting there configuring it
< 1353724662 62017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a computer's primary function is to send IP packets
< 1353724668 733017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does its job even when you aren't sitting there configuring it
< 1353724670 393147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not mine, I use it offline quite a lot
< 1353724677 193063 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok how about web servers then
< 1353724679 808580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my /server's/ primary function is to do that
< 1353724691 695161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you include those as "meant to be interacted with by a human"
< 1353724696 506539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A computer's primary function is not to send IP packets. That is a function of some of the programs.
< 1353724713 860344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I guess no
< 1353724743 182935 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, does the baseband processor in your phone count, or only the applications processor?
< 1353724774 767954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :typically they are separate and the former runs some proprietary RTOS
< 1353724777 889099 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1353724788 941643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't own a digital phone
< 1353724795 462462 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the firmware running on your computer's GPU -- surely that is an integral part of "interacting with a human"
< 1353724800 668739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i'm using the word "your" rhetorically
< 1353724802 590829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a phone in my office, but it's one of those dumb-terminal-style landlines
< 1353724816 300101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also GPUs don't normally have much of an operating system
< 1353724817 735599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah right what about the ubiquitous Cisco VoIP phones
< 1353724821 320937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously a human interaction device
< 1353724823 679701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does their OS count?
< 1353724824 521127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should know, I taught a class on GPU programming
< 1353724835 686712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you teach a class on GPU firmware / driver authoring
< 1353724870 894192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nah, it was at the level of authoring software for them (the shaders, etc., that are sent to the GPU)
< 1353724883 815714 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the GPU doesn't have much of an OS to speak of
< 1353724887 450350 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353724892 740982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it crashes, the whole system hard crashes, no permissions or anything like that
< 1353724898 192180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm
< 1353724907 866011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if you're lucky it'll have a watchdog timer that'll reboot it after it's spent 5 seconds crashed, sometimes it even works)
< 1353724934 161384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I still don't think of computers as Internet communication devices
< 1353724947 551822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really what tablets are for, people used larger computers for that earlier because tablets hadn't been invented yet
< 1353724997 266532 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1353725001 805572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have any desire to own a tablet
< 1353725010 590305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"media consumption devices" is a description I'd seen
< 1353725013 791799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it useful to use the same device for internet communications and other things
< 1353725014 337079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think tablets are terrible too
< 1353725052 787894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be nice if that one device were a tablet with a keyboard dock
< 1353725058 438675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think i can get one meeting my needs
< 1353725073 105942 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so i don't have a desire to own a second device that's only good for a subset of the things the firsst device is good for
< 1353725147 711682 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it would have to be a nice keyboard, preferably with a pointing stick, and capable of running a real desktop linux distro, and not "capable" in the sense of "some guy on xda forums might have done it", but actually no bullshit)
< 1353725213 516466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason i finally got a smartphone is that i needed a 3G/4G hotspot device, and phone was not much more than a standalone device
< 1353726258 144352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1353726712 233526 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1353727717 165572 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You are now traveling into the future.  Please wait..."
< 1353727729 958631 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One way of implementing time travel in an MMOG.
< 1353727744 626985 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353727751 896817 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1353732604 563252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help did i just write a monad tutorial :'(
< 1353732654 361280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monad tutorial writers anonymous
< 1353732709 916191 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353732716 884532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually mostly an "IO tutorial" if anything.
< 1353732725 620184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not really either.
< 1353732823 217676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it an Either tutorial?
< 1353732890 36974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm cold so I have two ghci windows open with "last [1..]"
< 1353732899 677819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I feel bad?
< 1353732963 539960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c
< 1353732992 105714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should probably fold proteins instead or something.
< 1353733073 792812 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every day
< 1353734137 999701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a name for the visual artifact that happens when you render antialiased text on a white background, and then composite it over something else with a transparency channel which is just white = transparent, anything else = fully opaque?
< 1353734149 87413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a local restaurant has that on their menu and it makes me not want to eat there
< 1353734183 645580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I understand what you mean, I don't like that. :-(
< 1353734205 432565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you hate all antialiasing?
< 1353734224 352078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should write a window manager and then angrily stop programming.
< 1353734494 421996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1353734497 285964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i love antialiasing
< 1353734719 843092 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353734919 194037 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353735141 540198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think antialiasing should only sometimes be used.
< 1353735168 485595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuomov has some surprisingly interesting opinions underneath the noise
< 1353735490 38202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, tuomov is great.
< 1353735499 6232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think kmc might end up like him in bitter old age.
< 1353736168 715859 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1353736383 519263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well
< 1353736640 729337 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353736671 171600 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353736840 774256 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is bitter old kmc supposed to be distinguishable from current kmc
< 1353737003 136940 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1353739532 136004 :augur!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353739839 556315 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Equivalent up to isomorphism, etc.
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< 1353742005 239230 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone just replied to me saying "Damn you"
< 1353742022 640981 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In #jesus?
< 1353742044 27706 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Reddit
< 1353742056 487411 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, they're not mad at me)
< 1353742057 208566 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/13ooyr/ten_years_ago_our_family_cat_had_to_have_an/c75xis7?context=3
< 1353742071 415454 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how is this notable
< 1353742098 201317 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than that I didn't know Sgeo was autistic, not at all.
< 1353742109 399319 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is now Wikipedia.
< 1353742109 816123 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@dsl-olubrasgw2-fe6bf800-88.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing here
< 1353742134 380240 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Quite. You don't see me talking about myself, now do you? :P
< 1353742138 43119 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean it's not an uncommon phrase
< 1353742149 292230 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured if you were bringing it up there must be something unique about the usage
< 1353742153 333733 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION inserts life spew here
< 1353742157 111096 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like maybe the person saying it was literally a demon
< 1353742159 330980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: whoa, dude
< 1353742166 630315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what if infinity was, like, a number
< 1353742196 140551 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, who/what are you mocking today? I assume not my 7th grade self since you haven't met him.
< 1353742207 264419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Nope, it's you.
< 1353742218 567912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sorry.)
< 1353742256 64299 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my 8th grade self said some mockable math stuff, but not about infinity.
< 1353742280 560677 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to define a number, ati, such that |ati| = -1
< 1353742299 959867 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you were close
< 1353742305 952208 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it sad that my first thought is "but that's not a norm!"
< 1353742338 641557 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1353742339 757122 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, coppro: I'm now confused.
< 1353742342 859313 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think everybody who got into math and stuff later did things like that.  or maybe just me and you
< 1353742401 817280 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just referring to that being sort of like imaginary numbers.  and a norm is a lengthy-y thing denoted with vertical bars.
< 1353742427 836563 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew about imaginary numbers back then
< 1353742581 258389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
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< 1353745461 625372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a Csound plugin library, not quite completed, some things I am unsure how to program them but some I did put in, I have added these commands so far: avecrev, hsvtorgb, hysteresis, integlim, interleave, rgbtohsv, slowchange, squarewave, trianglewave.
< 1353746700 335019 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1353747797 314075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you unsafeCoerce today
< 1353747805 134908 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353747809 471542 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i ?
< 1353747816 375984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1353747819 161002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"its good for you"
< 1353747840 816364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let a = zipper ("helloz","world") % down _1 % fromWithin traverse % rights1 6 in (a % view focus, a % save % flip unsafelyRestore ("another","world") % view focus)
< 1353747842 970174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ('z','e')
< 1353747897 384054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloz monqy
< 1353747944 241416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1353748956 216946 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Unsafe.Coerce> unsafeCoerce id :: IO ()
< 1353748956 439194 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1]    17766 segmentation fault (core dumped)  ghci
< 1353748963 178895 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :daily unsafeCoerce
< 1353748985 799822 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I reading this http://www.reddit.com/r/ShittyProgramming
< 1353749057 501782 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you reading that
< 1353749345 97929 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/shittyaskscience/comments/13o48n/is_it_required_to_shampoo_the_air_before_turning/
< 1353749354 991290 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is easily amused
< 1353749444 442677 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1353750922 394717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Want lens to be faster?
< 1353752351 683252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353752444 413261 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, it’s perfect right now.
< 1353752468 330078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're sure?
< 1353752521 821224 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making it any faster might rip a hole in the spacetime.
< 1353752553 607206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's, uh, pretty slow right now.
< 1353752600 346492 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spacetime tears pretty easily
< 1353752654 558077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Want lens to be faster?
< 1353752671 425825 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__, wow, /r/shittyprogramming is crap
< 1353752681 14319 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know.
< 1353752701 770453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: when will you learn that knowing is important
< 1353752708 184887 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know.
< 1353752722 453404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Good answer.
< 1353752729 352284 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will making it faster require the use of unsafeCoerce/unsafePerformIO or a tradeoff in a different dimension such as space usage?
< 1353752735 582806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah.
< 1353752747 965225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe. I don't know.
< 1353752752 240079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll require someone to write benchmarks.
< 1353752790 460834 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any significant liklihood thatn making it faster will require architectural considerations that should be taken into account now rather than later?
< 1353752832 318900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know?
< 1353752834 843254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like what?
< 1353752882 383551 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea, just saying that it might be a bad idea to solidify the design and base everything around it if it fundamentally does something significantly slow, if speed is a concern. 
< 1353752918 632236 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if it's slow but not due to underlying algorithm (i.e. due to not being microoptimized or something) then I assume that could wait.
< 1353752933 637593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how many "algorithms" lens has.
< 1353752963 377212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is
< 1353752979 266280 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is sgeo giving shachaf advice
< 1353753002 714774 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf seems to need lens advice, and who better to give it than sgeo
< 1353753027 679533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy makes a good point
< 1353753030 491592 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell I'm channeling Captain Obvious.
< 1353753070 472537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you read book
< 1353753073 764604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by vernor vinge)
< 1353753079 411727 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lieutenant Commander Obvious now.
< 1353753082 120509 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :She got promoted.
< 1353753095 466961 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe? probably not.
< 1353753169 921640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can i have some life advice????
< 1353753200 550291 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't ask sgeo for lens advice
< 1353753224 639822 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that life enough for you
< 1353753228 259787 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. advice enough for you
< 1353753232 993724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no monqy
< 1353753237 694938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :life isn't all about lenses
< 1353753260 543813 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what!!!!!
< 1353753263 39447 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been decieved
< 1353753273 389504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1353753273 535374 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try another life advice
< 1353753273 692792 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what did you do with the real shachaf?
< 1353753278 346975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought lens was fast
< 1353753289 714527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Have you seen Control.Lens.Zipper?
< 1353753292 94181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hideous"
< 1353753298 620382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your perception was distorted
< 1353753303 201665 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf
< 1353753305 618786 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a site for you
< 1353753306 862775 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.lifeadvicefromoldpeople.com/
< 1353753314 583490 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it will help you
< 1353753322 514436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :control.lens.zipper isn't lens...
< 1353753323 483786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait......
< 1353753326 809553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy are you old?
< 1353753337 306303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353753341 834071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no!
< 1353753346 700473 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm like a granny or something
< 1353753346 845989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes it is?
< 1353753361 982273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you granny smith
< 1353753367 256296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a granny smith
< 1353753384 77087 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a granny smith old
< 1353753434 573642 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :old granny smiths are
< 1353753453 700881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is monqy a old granny smith
< 1353753485 972109 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see why not
< 1353753911 222922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it doesn't make lens slow
< 1353753914 807909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because one extra par tof itis slow
< 1353753966 589881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but
< 1353753970 284262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lens is made of parts
< 1353754445 166698 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If IRC servers never sent PINGs, would some clients get disconnected because of lack of activity on the socket?
< 1353754834 637123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds not impossible, though the client could very easily e.g. do TCP keepalive to mitigate that.
< 1353755107 156794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just ["a","b","c"] & partsOf template %~ reverse
< 1353755109 64019 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Ambiguous type variable `a0' in the constraint:
< 1353755109 347270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   (Data.Typeable.Internal....
< 1353755115 960526 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just ["a","b","c"] & partsOf template %~ (reverse :: [String] -> [String])
< 1353755118 505527 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Just ["c","b","a"]
< 1353755120 588489 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool.
< 1353755126 800976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (Just ["a","b","c"], "e") & partsOf template %~ (reverse :: [String] -> [String])
< 1353755129 161893 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (Just ["e","c","b"],"a")
< 1353755132 385507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hee
< 1353755147 113317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: isn't that magic
< 1353755162 765503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty template
< 1353755164 543890 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Data.Data.Data s, Typeable a, Applicative f) => (a -> f a) -> s -> f s
< 1353755208 74198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did Cale import that?
< 1353755252 888989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "abcde" & partsOf uniplate %~ reverse
< 1353755255 210818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "abcde"
< 1353755313 33996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "abcde" ^.. uniplate
< 1353755315 41398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["bcde"]
< 1353755323 566015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> over uniplate reverse "hello monqy"
< 1353755325 576780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "hyqnom olle"
< 1353755338 65540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it, what does over do there?
< 1353755344 510816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you know lastOf (backwards folded) compiles to the same code as listToMaybe?
< 1353755360 257673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353755370 826933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is pretty cool though
< 1353755377 802834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "abcd" ^?! _head
< 1353755379 503021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `_head'
< 1353755379 797518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1353755379 942895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   `head' (imported ...
< 1353755383 240530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353755385 683341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"lens 3.old"
< 1353755389 520794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t over
< 1353755391 16200 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setting s t a b -> (a -> b) -> s -> t
< 1353755405 160843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "test abc" & uniplate %~ reverse
< 1353755408 152117 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "tcba tse"
< 1353755416 977561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1353755424 525886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "test abc" ^.. uniplate
< 1353755426 830127 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["est abc"]
< 1353755437 259829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between uniplate and partsOf uniplate here?
< 1353755440 898189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "test abc" ^. partsOf uniplate
< 1353755442 934732 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["est abc"]
< 1353755446 857514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "test abc" ^.. partsOf uniplate
< 1353755448 906266 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [["est abc"]]
< 1353755452 837875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but...
< 1353755456 551605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1353755465 570932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which part is the confusion?
< 1353755492 909983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't quite understand why partsOf uniplate %~ reverse doesn't do the shuffly thing
< 1353755507 365105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how uniplate %~ reverse works, given that it seems to only give one result ("est abc")
< 1353755514 821079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet it shuffles "recursively" inside those results when you actually do it
< 1353755519 673666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it doesn't.
< 1353755524 872614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look again.
< 1353755537 539922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so it doesn't
< 1353755552 755008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the reason partsOf uniplate doesn't do it is because you just reverse a one-element list and put it back; right
< 1353755566 627263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a recursive version of uniplate?
< 1353755616 737390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw did you know template = uniplate
< 1353755625 614486 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353755628 508123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is there a recursive version of uniplate?
< 1353755636 997237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uniplate is recursive.
< 1353755646 28520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "test abc" ^.. uniplate
< 1353755648 7392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["est abc"]
< 1353755651 362640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look like it
< 1353755667 172609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd expect ["est abc", "st abc", "t abc", ..., ""]
< 1353755676 511875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> universe "test abc"
< 1353755678 404388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["test abc","est abc","st abc","t abc"," abc","abc","bc","c",""]
< 1353755683 380695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t universe
< 1353755685 243682 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plated a => a -> [a]
< 1353755686 862677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it can't be a Lens
< 1353755694 737089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> universeOf uniplate "test abc"
< 1353755697 186284 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ["test abc","est abc","st abc","t abc"," abc","abc","bc","c",""]
< 1353755726 907430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When Cale upgrades lambdabot, we'll get upon.
< 1353755732 848794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and edwardk implemented uponTheDeep
< 1353755865 15058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is Control.Lens.WithIndex.itoList's documentation supposed to link to Data.IntMap
< 1353755932 736577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nope.
< 1353755950 501883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should fix that
< 1353755954 485521 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not me)
< 1353756036 867758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Any others?
< 1353756057 151943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the "map" in its code example links to Data.IntMap too
< 1353756064 814740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't noticed any other issues
< 1353756065 895866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Node 123 [Node 12 [Node 4 []], Node 3 []] & uniplate %~ reverse
< 1353756067 567100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `Data.Tree.Tree a0'
< 1353756067 889251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :             with actual t...
< 1353756074 267606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1353756075 78375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Node
< 1353756076 576668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> Forest a -> Tree a
< 1353756084 54286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Node 123 [Node 12 [Node 4 []], Node 3 []]
< 1353756085 907511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Node {rootLabel = 123, subForest = [Node {rootLabel = 12, subForest = [Node...
< 1353756091 6594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Thanks.
< 1353756095 495222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Node 123 [Node 12 [Node 4 []], Node 3 []] ^.. uniplate
< 1353756097 539618 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [Node {rootLabel = 12, subForest = [Node {rootLabel = 4, subForest = []}]},...
< 1353756100 922262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Node 123 [Node 12 [Node 4 []], Node 3 []] ^.. uniplate
< 1353756102 544708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Data.Data.Data a, Num a) => [Tree a]
< 1353756117 240395 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Node 123 [Node 12 [Node 4 []], Node 3 []] & partsOf plate %~ reverse
< 1353756117 385785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, foldl, too
< 1353756119 423008 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Node {rootLabel = 123, subForest = [Node {rootLabel = 3, subForest = []},No...
< 1353756124 990909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Node 123 [Node 12 [Node 4 []], Node 3 []] & partsOf plate %~ reverse & drawTree
< 1353756126 754440 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Num.Num GHC.Base.String)
< 1353756127 16902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from the literal `...
< 1353756134 510248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1353756135 879390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t drawTree
< 1353756137 419633 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tree String -> String
< 1353756138 405882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353756142 816638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Node 123 [Node 12 [Node 4 []], Node 3 []] & partsOf plate %~ reverse & fmap show & drawTree & text
< 1353756145 69207 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  123
< 1353756145 379383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : |
< 1353756145 525134 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : +- 3
< 1353756145 525301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : |
< 1353756145 525407 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `- 12
< 1353756147 93826 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    |
< 1353756149 72434 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    `- 4
< 1353756152 934860 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1353756154 951274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: look'at that
< 1353756202 60847 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im mmlooking
< 1353756227 291110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1353756231 208513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who invented drawTree
< 1353756253 847077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Tree did
< 1353756274 920256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Tree is a very smart computer
< 1353756323 914825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Node 123 [Node 12 [Node 4 []], Node 3 []] & template *~ 2 & fmap show & drawTree & text
< 1353756326 342505 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  246
< 1353756326 597013 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : |
< 1353756326 742405 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : +- 24
< 1353756326 742553 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : |  |
< 1353756326 742661 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : |  `- 8
< 1353756328 318100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : |
< 1353756330 330064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `- 6
< 1353756333 63550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coooooool
< 1353756611 726289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: would it make sense to generalise Plated to "class Plate a b where plate :: Simple Traversal a b"? so you can do what "template" does
< 1353756615 522556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it'd be redundant with Data
< 1353756626 682883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also mess up inference
< 1353756696 912873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: your lens talk is offtopic in here
< 1353756702 47348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :take it to #LENS!!!!
< 1353757207 87031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (?~)
< 1353757209 7095 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setting s t a (Maybe b) -> b -> s -> t
< 1353757256 355411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.empty & at "monqy" ?~ "hi"
< 1353757258 579392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  fromList [("monqy","hi")]
< 1353757494 741493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1353757528 716621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently my lens is 6 major versions behind
< 1353757533 547811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I installed it a few days ago
< 1353757588 542840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :upon elliott upgrade
< 1353757616 410039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353757943 443022 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353759356 929072 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan my Minks implementation is based on what was written in the minks page + what was said on the talk page; also I did not put any comments in it and the parser is incredibly badly written; I'm not sure considering that implementation as some sort of "reference implementation" is such a good idea ;)
< 1353759357 250317 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1353759379 343184 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan also I'll try to remember why I put it on the talk page in the first place and not in a wiki page of its own
< 1353759379 680490 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1353759803 741063 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353760062 886799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what if you did the same trick that isomorphisms use for all lenses
< 1353760080 551784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1353760112 215586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Getter s a = forall f. (Gettable f, Gettery k) => k s a
< 1353760117 683316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Gettery (->)
< 1353760125 485369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Gettery (\s a -> (a -> f a) -> s -> f s)
< 1353760216 897391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for Lens?
< 1353760350 776713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Lens s t a b = forall f. (Lensy k) => k s t a b
< 1353760361 60945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Lensy (\s _ a _ -> (s -> a))
< 1353760371 235251 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Lensy (\s t a b -> forall f. (Functor f) => (a -> f b) -> s -> f t)
< 1353760378 390688 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: if i know lens will all their type signatures stop looking really stupid
< 1353760378 536259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could go wrong, right
< 1353760383 490645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no
< 1353760417 888998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no but! your eyes just sort of glaze over and you don't actually read the signatures after a while
< 1353760424 895919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is basically the same as before you know lens
< 1353760440 210479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :except not the same
< 1353760460 127134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (%~)
< 1353760461 639046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setting s t a b -> (a -> b) -> s -> t
< 1353760468 166705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t itraverse
< 1353760469 763579 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Applicative f, TraversableWithIndex i t) => (i -> a -> f b) -> t a -> f (t b)
< 1353760479 248307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it has some cool signatures!
< 1353760480 134546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uh
< 1353760507 790163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty (%%~)
< 1353760509 466271 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LensLike f s t a b -> (a -> f b) -> s -> f t
< 1353760512 414920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pretty cool signature right"
< 1353760542 567458 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t _1
< 1353760544 118397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f, Field1 s t a b) => (a -> f b) -> s -> f t
< 1353760549 935310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um um
< 1353760552 910591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t index
< 1353760554 368880 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Ambiguous occurrence `index'
< 1353760554 669934 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    It could refer to either `Data.Ix.index',
< 1353760554 815347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                             imported from `Data.Ix' at State/L.hs:32:1-14
< 1353760557 766245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1353760561 709704 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t upon
< 1353760563 587339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `upon'
< 1353760564 560370 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Control.Lens.Indexed.index
< 1353760566 37642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indexed i k => ((i -> a) -> b) -> k a b
< 1353760568 271675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that's a pretty nice signature!
< 1353760583 284759 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::i Indexed
< 1353760588 364400 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'[
< 1353760590 454282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t act
< 1353760591 934772 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Lens.Internal.Effective m r f => (s -> m a) -> (a -> f a) -> s -> f s
< 1353760593 449070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so's that
< 1353760607 591160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except
< 1353760613 668003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Control.Lens.Action.act
< 1353760614 139815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: help what's Eq#
< 1353760615 351004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Core
< 1353760615 496318 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Lens.Internal.Effective m r f => (s -> m a) -> (a -> f a) -> s -> f s
< 1353760619 896228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird it shows differently
< 1353760621 622667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: idk
< 1353760637 922445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: duk
< 1353760669 286870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Really happy with how the Core for getters/folds turns out!
< 1353760679 256431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about traversals
< 1353760685 197589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion is sending patches to lens now.
< 1353760689 596339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it's just a phase.
< 1353760695 999914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t focus
< 1353760697 456865 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f, Indexed (Tape (h :> a)) k) => k (a -> f a) ((h :> a) -> f (h :> a))
< 1353760701 16392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: also a pretty good type
< 1353760706 33546 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I see what you did there. “phase”
< 1353760712 400710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :focus? more like stupidus
< 1353760712 848946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's actually
< 1353760714 286011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :focus :: SimpleIndexedLens (Tape (h :> a)) (h :> a) a
< 1353760716 187250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty rezip
< 1353760717 684911 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zipper h a => (h :> a) -> Zipped h a
< 1353760730 930603 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are these the sorts of types that look cool once i know lens,m because i don't know lense
< 1353760749 508083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: "This isn't /quite/ a legal lens."
< 1353760753 824335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't ok ion
< 1353760755 713398 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "sort of"
< 1353760757 359763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it
< 1353760758 467318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: lens is easey
< 1353760760 956087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it' sa cool library i like it
< 1353760789 72508 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: edwardk already did that in polarize, so i thought it would be okay.
< 1353760791 383302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not sure about traversals.
< 1353760793 367038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends.
< 1353760797 252549 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure id find it cool if i took the time to read what the stuff meant
< 1353760797 974571 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: he's not ok either
< 1353760810 112942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i figured out lens just by reading the haddocks
< 1353760814 361077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. good way imo
< 1353760816 792476 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but i hjavent done that
< 1353760824 683983 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive been too busy doing other stuff!!!!
< 1353760844 913916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't
< 1353760864 819050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i figured out lens just by going to edwardk's talk about it in san francisco
< 1353760868 896615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you been to san francisco
< 1353760873 97489 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1353760878 867087 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget!!
< 1353760886 905839 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you forget that
< 1353760901 861995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliotts right
< 1353760988 28120 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachafs left
< 1353761019 385287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: tug
< 1353761024 50554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tug left
< 1353761026 150837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tugs left 5
< 1353761034 518824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachafs left ß
< 1353761062 271096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should fix Data.Vector.Lens
< 1353761067 532068 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has lots of partial lenses which should be traversals
< 1353761077 655620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, you should fix it.
< 1353761090 270143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And while you're at it, write some benchmarks for me.
< 1353761108 275309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty over id id
< 1353761109 894427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :t -> t
< 1353761111 986820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty view id
< 1353761113 600436 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s -> s
< 1353761119 994785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coïncidence
< 1353761134 738937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it's pretty nifty that GHC infers t for over and s for view.
< 1353761136 431798 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ï?
< 1353761149 986964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ïon: What about ït?
< 1353761184 20588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: another cool lens thing
< 1353761185 916841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ala _sum foldMap [1,2,3,4]
< 1353761187 899468 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  10
< 1353761195 12508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Control.Newtype
< 1353761200 472880 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s̈ḧäc̈ḧäf̈:̈¨n̈öẗḧïn̈g̈
< 1353761207 9515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ala _endo foldMap [("a"++),reverse,(++"b")] "hello"
< 1353761209 212335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "abolleh"
< 1353761210 463232 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lens has ala? yeah i remember ala from before
< 1353761219 390161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like Control.Newtype but better since it's not tied to the notions of newtypes
< 1353761220 124078 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ala
< 1353761221 612887 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simple Iso s a -> ((s -> a) -> e -> a) -> e -> s
< 1353761224 674995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t _sum
< 1353761226 337745 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f, Isomorphic k) => k (Sum a -> f (Sum b)) (a -> f b)
< 1353761227 268755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t _endo
< 1353761228 750790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f, Isomorphic k) => k (Endo a -> f (Endo b)) ((a -> a) -> f (b -> b))
< 1353761231 106554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: lens has first clarinet ala
< 1353761231 324812 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o neaaeto
< 1353761233 481805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :first class
< 1353761249 469587 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_endo is actually
< 1353761250 742409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_endo :: Iso (a -> a) (b -> b) (Endo a) (Endo b)
< 1353761252 966946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and _sum is actually
< 1353761258 446281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty review
< 1353761259 525635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_sum :: Iso (Sum a) (Sum b) a b
< 1353761260 57450 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: `review'
< 1353761260 386527 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant `view' (imported from Control.Lens)
< 1353761264 390205 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot just displays them badly :(
< 1353761265 51214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let review = view.from
< 1353761267 7385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1353761275 899243 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, lens has first clarinet ala.
< 1353761276 656349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> view _sum 1
< 1353761278 851844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Sum {getSum = 1}
< 1353761283 798624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> review _sum (Sum 1)
< 1353761286 277590 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1353761301 730958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isomorphic Sum getSum 1
< 1353761303 687620 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Sum {getSum = 1}
< 1353761305 962487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> from (isomorphic Sum getSum) 1
< 1353761307 746046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Num.Num (Data.Monoid.Sum a0))
< 1353761308 46863 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of...
< 1353761316 38862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: so you can also do things like get an isomorphism for your newtype made
< 1353761316 717308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooops
< 1353761332 900062 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: so you can treat it as a lens field to modify it/get at it/etc.
< 1353761347 177106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Did you know GHC doesn't optimize [] to []?
< 1353761350 453829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> First (Just "abcd") & _first %~ reverse
< 1353761350 658386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahem.
< 1353761352 183058 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `Data.Monoid.First [GHC.Types.Char]'
< 1353761352 479888 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :         ...
< 1353761353 623228 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Did you know GHC doesn't optimize reverse [] to []?
< 1353761356 836165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1353761365 494082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> First (Just "abcd") & _first._just %~ reverse
< 1353761367 204694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `_just'
< 1353761368 334335 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i hear ghc doesnt inline reverse
< 1353761371 972336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1353761379 992171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> First (Just "abcd") & _first.traverse %~ reverse
< 1353761381 749646 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `Data.Monoid.First [GHC.Types.Char]'
< 1353761382 46340 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :         ...
< 1353761390 342469 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse [1..]
< 1353761394 662021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1353761409 927179 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse [..10]
< 1353761414 484661 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1353761415 387731 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> First (Just "abcd") & from _first.traverse %~ reverse
< 1353761419 266946 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1353761427 631546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh
< 1353761427 973195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t from
< 1353761432 273725 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isomorphic k => Isomorphism a b -> k b a
< 1353761434 428730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> First (Just "abcd") & from _first.traverse %~ reverse
< 1353761435 292356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1353761438 450747 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1353761440 579937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> First (Just "abcd") & from _first.traverse %~ reverse
< 1353761440 755017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> First (Just "abcd") & from _first.traverse %~ reverse
< 1353761440 958342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> First (Just "abcd") & from _first.traverse %~ reverse
< 1353761441 334819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> First (Just "abcd") & from _first.traverse %~ reverse
< 1353761443 5039 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  can't find file: L.hs
< 1353761443 936571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  can't find file: L.hs
< 1353761444 82484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs to go the other way
< 1353761444 462235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1353761444 867762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1353761452 905819 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "hi shachaf"
< 1353761455 447488 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  hi shachaf
< 1353761460 784581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you do that
< 1353761461 887151 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time limit "not exceeded"
< 1353761462 179214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> First (Just "abcd") & from _first.traverse %~ reverse
< 1353761466 367246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1353761469 299114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1353761470 28348 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lens is too slow.
< 1353761471 373619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3
< 1353761473 563235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  3
< 1353761474 624625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you have magic powers
< 1353761477 158168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> First (Just "abcd") & from _first.traverse %~ reverse
< 1353761479 437105 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  First {getFirst = Just "dcba"}
< 1353761483 109610 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulat
< 1353761484 940603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1353761490 136623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i have magic powers now>?
< 1353761492 49045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i monqy
< 1353761518 961008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: other cool things: it has a notion of "indexes" so you can do things like
< 1353761523 343346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "abcde" & iwhere (\i -> i `mod` 2 == 0) .~ 'q'
< 1353761526 184752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "qbqdq"
< 1353761527 366531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "abcde" & iwhere (\i -> i `mod` 2 == 0) %~ toUpper
< 1353761529 567961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "AbCdE"
< 1353761536 62238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good thinking elliott
< 1353761542 151248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.fromList [("a",2),("b",3)] & at "b" +~ 10
< 1353761544 69688 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Num.Num (Data.Maybe.Maybe a0))
< 1353761544 376210 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use o...
< 1353761546 358323 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: o thats cool
< 1353761547 501659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353761550 642907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.fromList [("a",2),("b",3)] & at "b" ?~ 10
< 1353761553 63687 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  fromList [("a",2),("b",10)]
< 1353761561 222949 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.fromList [("a",2),("b",3)] & at "b" ?+~ 10
< 1353761563 71530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `?+~'
< 1353761563 367267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1353761563 512801 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   `+~' (imported from...
< 1353761566 598363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.fromList [("a",2),("b",3)] & at "b" +?~ 10
< 1353761568 493501 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `+?~'
< 1353761568 785056 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1353761568 930511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   `+~' (imported from...
< 1353761570 746103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1353761574 393643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there even an operator for that
< 1353761590 316124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can you believe how uninlined this is? :-(
< 1353761592 879592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: anyway you get the idea
< 1353761604 392786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.fromList [("a",2),("b",3)] & at "b".traverse +~ 10
< 1353761606 819753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  fromList [("a",2),("b",13)]
< 1353761611 390182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1353761618 224371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that just traverseAt
< 1353761625 606054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.fromList [("a",2),("b",3)] & traverseAt "b" +~ 10
< 1353761625 959451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.fromList [("a",2),("b",3)] & _at "b" +~ 10
< 1353761627 777726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  can't find file: L.hs
< 1353761628 149607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  fromList [("a",2),("b",13)]
< 1353761634 168535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called _at now
< 1353761637 74768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it got renamed, right
< 1353761642 406418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t at
< 1353761645 518813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t _at
< 1353761645 664309 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f, At k m, Indexed k k1) => k -> k1 (Maybe v -> f (Maybe v)) (m v -> f (m v))
< 1353761647 107764 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: `_at'
< 1353761647 253247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not in lambdabot
< 1353761647 399183 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1353761647 544607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :      `cat' (imported from Text.PrettyPrint.HughesPJ),
< 1353761652 279880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t _traverseAt
< 1353761653 406756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1353761653 871611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: `_traverseAt'
< 1353761654 170044 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1353761654 315525 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :      `traverseAt' (imported from Control.Lens),
< 1353761654 462602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t traverseAt
< 1353761656 626284 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Applicative f, At k m, Indexed k k1) => k -> k1 (v -> f v) (m v -> f (m v))
< 1353761667 625510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so at is just a lens on the Maybe result
< 1353761667 923894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::i _λ> :i _at
< 1353761668 69373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_at ::
< 1353761668 69574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :  forall k (m :: * -> *) v.
< 1353761668 69682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :  At k m =>
< 1353761668 69794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :  k -> SimpleIndexedTraversal k (m v) v
< 1353761670 381145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :  	-- Defined in `Control.Lens.IndexedTraversal'
< 1353761672 890064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas traverseAt lifts it to a traversal
< 1353761679 923092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could unify the notions somehow so they ended up having the same type
< 1353761680 407217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let _ = traverse
< 1353761682 65168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : :4:5:
< 1353761682 377133 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     Ambiguous type variable `t0' in the constraint:
< 1353761682 522670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :       (Tr...
< 1353761699 712496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you seen the examples with "both"
< 1353761708 392269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1,2) & both *~ 2
< 1353761708 817375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wow. :-(
< 1353761710 906762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (2,4)
< 1353761723 601491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1,2) & partsOf both %~ reverse
< 1353761725 699282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (2,1)
< 1353761731 301807 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that last one is evil don't actually use it please)
< 1353761731 465616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bad core"
< 1353761742 385105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1,2) & unsafePartsOf both %~ reverse -- less evil??
< 1353761744 763195 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (2,1)
< 1353761775 157923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do partsOf foo %~ reverse just by using Backwards
< 1353761781 484862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so.
< 1353761784 353638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would that work?
< 1353761789 465302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do it in a way that doesn't involve a list at least
< 1353761794 994440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. :-(
< 1353761799 316032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've wondered about that.
< 1353761804 394302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you must be able to
< 1353761825 977512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can uh, use the traversal twice?
< 1353761834 201152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zip the traversal with its Backwrads?
< 1353762028 600904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^?!)
< 1353762030 143951 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Not in scope: `^?!'
< 1353762030 429321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1353762030 575221 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :      `^!' (imported from Control.Lens),
< 1353762032 385200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1353762038 2726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is cale going to keep up
< 1353762045 753572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how did cale get convinced to put lens in lambdabot in the first place
< 1353762051 579812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let (^?!) = fromMaybe (error "hi monqy") .: headOf
< 1353762054 58856 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1353762055 625971 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ive seen "both" in ursala but in haskell it is new to me !
< 1353762062 588761 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in ursala it is just b
< 1353762065 842942 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wow succinct"
< 1353762078 449516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t both
< 1353762079 947043 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => (a -> f b) -> (a, a) -> f (b, b)
< 1353762091 32116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: but in ursala can you use it to map over both elements
< 1353762093 410528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just a getter??
< 1353762103 450177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Other way around.
< 1353762112 646874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know ursala?
< 1353762115 119627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1353762118 867741 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er right I said it wrong
< 1353762123 273920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1353762134 243677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the traversal is actually more powerful!
< 1353762143 902340 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ursala
< 1353762147 371191 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: than just (a -> b) -> (a, a) -> (b, b)
< 1353762148 885989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because
< 1353762150 998529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sumOf _2 ("hi","monqy")
< 1353762153 51514 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "monqy"
< 1353762155 284023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can ursala compute the sum of a string
< 1353762158 618745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do the reverse thing
< 1353762159 635354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1,2) & partsOf both %~ reverse
< 1353762161 743871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (2,1)
< 1353762171 315755 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because you get that arbitrary applicative effect)
< 1353762173 773614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly
< 1353762179 507446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ("a","b") ^. both
< 1353762181 524502 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "ab"
< 1353762184 619326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for mappending them
< 1353762247 965906 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (Sum 3, Sum 4) ^. both
< 1353762249 935858 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Sum {getSum = 7}
< 1353762258 247401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sumOf both (Sum 3, Sum 4)
< 1353762260 48371 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Num.Num (Data.Monoid.Sum a0))
< 1353762260 404495 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of...
< 1353762261 338870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1353762265 829424 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sumOf both (3, 4)
< 1353762267 809369 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  7
< 1353762269 806820 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 7
< 1353762271 619497 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  7
< 1353762272 380742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1,2) & both %~ Sum & get both
< 1353762272 992079 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :% fun -c -m="~&brlX ((1,2),(3,4))"
< 1353762273 213907 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :((2,1),4,3)
< 1353762274 274814 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Could not deduce (Control.Monad.State.Class.MonadState
< 1353762274 560950 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                    ...
< 1353762276 342220 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but can haskell do this"
< 1353762281 980704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((1,2) & both %~ Sum) ^. both
< 1353762283 741958 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: NotAllowed "These modules have not been loaded:\nL\n"
< 1353762286 304094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> lastOf (backwards traverse) [1..100000000]
< 1353762286 815277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1353762288 349503 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Just 1
< 1353762291 362348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((1,2) & both %~ Sum) ^. both
< 1353762293 821449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Sum {getSum = 3}
< 1353762297 888642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a nicer way of doing this
< 1353762300 612767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without sumOf
< 1353762301 375626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> lastOf (backwards traverse) [1..100000000000000000000000000000000]
< 1353762302 318462 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, i haven’t seen the NotAllowed error before.
< 1353762304 85301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Just 1
< 1353762307 220551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> lastOf (backwards traverse) [1..100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000]
< 1353762309 496927 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Just 1
< 1353762314 508820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like is there a way to capture
< 1353762329 331458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sum toListOf both?
< 1353762337 181924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sum
< 1353762338 732852 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => [a] -> a
< 1353762345 730461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum (toListOf both (1,2))
< 1353762347 182495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really what i maen...
< 1353762347 664649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  3
< 1353762350 971959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean a way of capturing
< 1353762361 76636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo l f x = over l f x ^. l
< 1353762368 835831 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, how is sumOf defined
< 1353762377 544895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using Sum
< 1353762383 299448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353762387 597686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this does not shock me
< 1353762398 64398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :getSum . foldMapOf l Sum
< 1353762402 376217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except not that)
< 1353762405 362200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(more unsafeCoerce)
< 1353762406 380167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldMapOf
< 1353762407 863253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting r s t a b -> (a -> r) -> s -> r
< 1353762414 803710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh
< 1353762416 147376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353762454 676241 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t even
< 1353762456 221450 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integral a => a -> Bool
< 1353762464 757751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sumOf (iwhere even) [1..10]
< 1353762466 733678 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  25
< 1353762468 979886 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm
< 1353762472 148902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nice
< 1353762483 230358 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn’t getSum unsafeCoerce in the first place?
< 1353762494 498026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: It is.
< 1353762513 990560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(getSum .), however...
< 1353762539 296273 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ಠ_ಠ
< 1353762548 577301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1353762559 318678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sumOf (iwhere even) $ M.fromList []
< 1353762561 387537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Ambiguous type variable `k0' in the constraints:
< 1353762561 691807 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   (GHC.Real.Integral k0)
< 1353762561 837285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1353762564 50173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: *You* try to get "over mapped" to compile into fmap
< 1353762642 918926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.fromList [(0,"abc"), (1,"def"), (2,"qqq")] ^. traverse
< 1353762644 859000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "abcdefqqq"
< 1353762654 679641 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.fromList [(0,"abc"), (1,"def"), (2,"qqq")] ^. iwhere even . traverse
< 1353762656 525358 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (Data.Monoid.Monoid GHC.Types.Char)
< 1353762656 826902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use o...
< 1353762660 325576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1353762664 112392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t M.fromList [(0,"abc"), (1,"def"), (2,"qqq")] ^. iwhere even
< 1353762665 984652 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Ambiguous type variable `k0' in the constraints:
< 1353762666 339012 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :      (Integral k0) arising from a use of `even' at :1:56-59
< 1353762666 484194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :      (Num k0) arising from the literal `0' at :1:14
< 1353762670 797651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1353762703 266138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what am I doing wrong
< 1353762732 478565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1353762738 839201 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't this working
< 1353762745 988531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works in my ghci
< 1353762764 299565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> M.fromList [(0,"abc"), (1,"def"), (2,"qqq")] ^. iwhere (even::Int->Bool)
< 1353762766 631194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "abcqqq"
< 1353762780 841357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: What's ursala?
< 1353762801 372255 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn’t work in my ghci. 7.4.2.
< 1353762826 469691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :7.6: better than 7.4?
< 1353762876 260677 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wai
< 1353762905 221304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not liking the iwhere Core.
< 1353762909 179035 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should learn ursala!
< 1353762918 824841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: who's that
< 1353762921 593277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you ever finish the manual
< 1353762925 205996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't she write that book
< 1353762927 318702 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no i got sidetracked
< 1353762936 966123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: im disappointed
< 1353762958 47962 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: im struggling with the hell that is figuring out how to get rewriting under binders working in coq
< 1353762971 29896 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :while really tired??? i should sleep
< 1353762981 17367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: sounds less fun than ursala. you should read the manual some more instead
< 1353762995 404252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :   pure = Mutator
< 1353762995 587628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 	 403	
< 1353762995 587802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+  {-# INLINE pure #-}
< 1353763000 89995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: come on, ghc is smart enough for that
< 1353763073 9462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, OK
< 1353763079 244304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not for one of the other ones I added.
< 1353763091 936683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :itraverse or something
< 1353763096 145358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wait wait wait
< 1353763097 195980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1353763119 9570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :itoListOf ifolded is working
< 1353763125 269370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but itoListOf itraverse is not??????
< 1353763175 3482 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Binders full of women?
< 1353763240 348289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t itoListOf ifolded
< 1353763241 902175 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FoldableWithIndex i f => f b -> [(i, b)]
< 1353763242 298740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t itoListOf itraverse
< 1353763243 746841 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `IndexedGetting
< 1353763244 38815 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                    i0 [(i0, a0)] s0 t0 a0 b0'
< 1353763244 184231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                with actual type `(i1 -> a1 -> f0 b1) -> t1 a1 -> f0 (t1 b1)'
< 1353763251 762570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sure is a type error
< 1353763389 866941 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, the hell that is rewriting under binders was working all along but i forgot to declare my stuff as morphisms
< 1353763397 376190 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im too tired for this
< 1353763422 850675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i declare monqqys stuff as morphisms
< 1353763428 307215 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank u
< 1353763469 977956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Should indexed be strict?
< 1353763476 347419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t indexed
< 1353763477 756239 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indexed Int k => ((a -> Control.Lens.Internal.Indexing f b) -> s -> Control.Lens.Internal.Indexing f t) -> k (a -> f b) (s -> f t)
< 1353763485 41276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :indexed l = index $ \iafb s -> case runIndexing (l (\a -> Indexing (\i -> (iafb i a, i + 1))) s) 0 of
< 1353763488 818130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is faster
< 1353763489 472798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :indexed l = index $ \iafb s -> case runIndexing (l (\a -> Indexing (\i -> i `seq` (iafb i a, i + 1))) s) 0 of
< 1353763500 854264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: help i dont havae any benchmarks!!
< 1353763501 635722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353763506 524063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant strict as in strict
< 1353763511 532903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in indexed _|_ = _|_
< 1353763512 584067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, index-strict.
< 1353763519 248649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them builds a bunch of thunks, though, I assume.
< 1353763519 643509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1353763521 95270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1353763525 803905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not?
< 1353763532 997402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you have a complex lens type
< 1353763540 212724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And?
< 1353763541 444415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1353763543 263922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :complex index type
< 1353763549 981515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty indexed
< 1353763550 189615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has a lot of computation
< 1353763551 606456 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indexed Int k => ((a -> Control.Lens.Internal.Indexing f b) -> s -> Control.Lens.Internal.Indexing f t) -> k (a -> f b) (s -> f t)
< 1353763556 195699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :☝
< 1353763569 533593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :         ☝☝☝
< 1353763575 934153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1353763576 667104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oopse"
< 1353763578 507989 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353763579 119597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty indexed
< 1353763579 532775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Int part
< 1353763580 790607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indexed Int k => ((a -> Control.Lens.Internal.Indexing f b) -> s -> Control.Lens.Internal.Indexing f t) -> k (a -> f b) (s -> f t)
< 1353763582 228512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wel
< 1353763583 4435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :l
< 1353763584 785972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1353763585 727744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it can be strict
< 1353763588 825477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems semantically wrong though
< 1353763595 111319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :indexed turns an existing traversal into an Int-indexed traversal
< 1353763600 607373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you have a structure where it's easy to access in order
< 1353763601 477963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just by the order it Ints by.
< 1353763606 126261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but calculating the exact indices is expensive
< 1353763611 836611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1353763614 515903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353763617 460008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1353763621 678045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it even change semantics to make it strict then
< 1353763627 672135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of.
< 1353763629 855017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how
< 1353763637 290762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not.
< 1353763639 801317 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353763640 646056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares about semantics?
< 1353763645 445785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked if it should be strict.
< 1353763648 517385 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1353763658 458231 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed it was a question about the function's denotation
< 1353763660 505665 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1353763666 70057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :operationally, do whatever you think will be fastest, probably strict
< 1353763723 733307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought so.
< 1353763850 503754 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353763993 165350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yay, saves us from a stack overflow.
< 1353764039 868245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott:
< 1353764040 729810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :itoListOf l = ifoldMapOf l (\i a -> [(i,a)])
< 1353764061 138806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should it be ifoldrOf l (\i a -> ((i,a):))?
< 1353764191 379005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference
< 1353764238 638776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right-associative
< 1353764415 90976 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i guess yes
< 1353764730 898752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Isn't it annoying how with rank-2 types, to make a type *more* polymorphic you have to make the signature *more* specific?
< 1353764782 557947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353764805 228481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong answer
< 1353765826 171655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh.
< 1353765830 498095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's itoListOf itraversed
< 1353766372 912752 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ph plays df adventure mode: pt 1"
< 1353766413 806878 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason every single human in the village i was in, including my 3 companions, turned hostile
< 1353766427 833902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you rude
< 1353766446 147810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presently i am retreating from a massive crowd of them, a trail of broken bodies in my wake
< 1353766603 781382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i got sent to kill a spearman by someone in the same village
< 1353766631 444089 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i found him in one of the huts, there was a flurry of chaos and everyone started attacking me
< 1353766652 494467 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've gashed my foot and my left arm, but so far i'm holding them off pretty handily
< 1353766937 401704 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, has elliott started the fortress yet?
< 1353766988 792575 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1353766992 13718 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could ask elliott that
< 1353767045 655056 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured asking you would ping both of you
< 1353767058 334916 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, does Phantom_Hoover think you've started the fortress yet?
< 1353767088 15675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Phantom_Hoover think
< 1353767090 110076 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :burn??
< 1353767108 623622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey elliott
< 1353767109 205807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brun
< 1353767115 119363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indexing is terrible
< 1353767116 692332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix it :'(
< 1353767128 979951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty indexed
< 1353767130 447309 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indexed Int k => ((a -> Control.Lens.Internal.Indexing f b) -> s -> Control.Lens.Internal.Indexing f t) -> k (a -> f b) (s -> f t)
< 1353767136 686436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how hard can it be to write this function"
< 1353767143 400410 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if Phantom_Hoover thought you had started the fortress, would he be correct#?
< 1353767157 649116 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I'm in a logic puzzle
< 1353767211 797785 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: from a falsehood, all follows
< 1353767221 616590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the falsehood is Phantom_Hoover thinking
< 1353768443 358693 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353768533 595923 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353768547 315519 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god there is no way i'm getting out of this
< 1353768565 185217 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't sleep in the town, it's night, and i can't stand before healing
< 1353768568 840740 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can't travel at night
< 1353768591 170884 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, which game?
< 1353768628 336894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf fortress adventure mode
< 1353768644 721514 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, never played that mode, is it any good?
< 1353768678 204370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's...
< 1353768682 816906 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1353768694 795329 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm okay
< 1353768716 967733 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it as fun as the fortress mode though?
< 1353768727 128954 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell no
< 1353768733 956631 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1353768778 531951 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl
< 1353768779 835611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's a masterpiece
< 1353769054 608075 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1353769452 266328 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, i thought you weren't a fan
< 1353769478 371244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define fan
< 1353769594 939387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A thing that moves air around.
< 1353769615 499168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently only if it's done by movement of a surface or surfaces.
< 1353769616 680848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am that
< 1353769911 466395 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353770293 872028 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353772393 274462 :t1!~user@vpn32-063.rz.hs-offenburg.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353772882 514911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353772944 615045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1353772945 93977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen said 3h 46m 28s ago: my Minks implementation is based on what was written in the minks page + what was said on the talk page; also I did not put any comments in it and the parser is
< 1353772945 437198 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :incredibly badly written; I'm not sure considering that implementation as some sort of "reference implementation" is such a good idea ;)
< 1353772945 582792 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen said 3h 46m 5s ago: also I'll try to remember why I put it on the talk page in the first place and not in a wiki page of its own
< 1353773041 93571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: well the part about conditions starting True was also in the talk page; the other change was that only conditions before commands count for the loop checking, which your truth machine depends on.  feel free to undo it but then you need to change both your implementation and your truth machine.
< 1353773056 58579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm gone 3 hours
< 1353773065 273126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen well the part about conditions starting True was also in the talk page; the other change was that only conditions before commands count for the loop checking, which your truth machine depends on.  feel free to undo it but then you need to change both your implementation and your truth machine.
< 1353773065 641642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1353773152 617540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen that is, the condition x is used as a target in the truth machine, but ignored for the loop check
< 1353773153 132686 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1353773184 36292 :t1!~user@vpn32-063.rz.hs-offenburg.de PART :#esoteric
< 1353773337 232415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen also i certainly don't consider your use of bounded integers to be authoritative >:)
< 1353773337 608240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1353773805 73324 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that code became neater quickly
< 1353773833 860727 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rewriting a DCPU interpreter I started and never finished
< 1353773845 100147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's when it starts obfuscating itself you should start worrying
< 1353773932 569176 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From 3 lines with ridiculous lambdas, record syntax, and the "lens" function to 1 line, with pointless fun
< 1353773980 533983 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, I've got two UArrays of Word16s in one datatype, with different address types
< 1353774008 537675 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I was making a function that took an Either AddressType1 AddressType2 and returned a Simple Lens DCPU Word16
< 1353774035 955928 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dcpuLens = dcpuRegisters .: ix ||| dcpuRam .: ix
< 1353774290 859716 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway
< 1353775096 302509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1353775197 759149 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott
< 1353775203 706560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know
< 1353775206 898506 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you should be doing
< 1353775531 930325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't become a duck all by myself Phantom_Hoover
< 1353775533 922766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to help
< 1353775547 794593 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 1, find witch
< 1353775561 991663 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 2, anger witch after expressing utmost revulsion for ducks
< 1353775635 51396 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353775638 863195 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1353775669 378338 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can do step 2 easily by saying "I hate you almost as much as I hate ducks!"
< 1353775703 678251 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, good thinking!
< 1353775719 845465 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm handing control of this project over to you, you are more likely to know about witches in the hexham area
< 1353775761 606679 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any specific witch off the top of my head, but I'll put out some feelers
< 1353775770 132923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: that doesn't work if i like ducks though..... i;td be a compliment
< 1353775789 285013 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the witch doesn't have to know you like ducks!
< 1353775833 598805 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think of the insinuations of the negative word "hate"
< 1353775838 113693 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As applied to ducks
< 1353775845 526662 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353775847 810040 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The obvious assumption is that the speaker hates ducks
< 1353775849 326469 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bring a duck with you
< 1353775851 763203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill it
< 1353775862 245584 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then say 'i hate you almost as much...' etc.
< 1353775875 812207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if that just means i love ducks....... to death
< 1353775902 341954 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :say you love her........... to death too, then try and kill her however you killed the duck
< 1353775915 481007 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she will turn you into a duck as an ironic lesson on the consequences of your actions
< 1353775939 807806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im bested
< 1353776106 446767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, any luck on witch location
< 1353776195 651570 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not so far
< 1353776382 828007 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on surely there are some witches in northumberland who like homestuck!
< 1353776448 425389 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) Northumberland is pretty big, and Hexham's right in the south of it
< 1353776461 8069 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) most of the Homestucks I know live in Tyne and Wear
< 1353776723 368707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tyne and Wear sound like made-up names.
< 1353776772 19884 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a modern county named after two rivers flowing through it
< 1353776781 652400 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Tyne also flows through Hexham
< 1353776793 569923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a metro
< 1353776803 4803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do the metro trains run on Tyne? 
< 1353776813 669639 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, and Wear
< 1353776815 949038 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How cool is that?
< 1353776817 280123 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1353777054 163889 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm fairly sure the nick cage appreciation society at this university was made by homestucks, but they seem to be in hiding
< 1353777102 8547 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acquire a Homestuck shirt, ideally from your wardrobe. Wander about in it constantly, but not just after updates.
< 1353777128 981285 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately i wear a jumper all the time
< 1353777135 953268 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't think you can get homestuck jumpers
< 1353777138 672881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more's the pity
< 1353777157 404101 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get Homestuck hoodies, which are closer to jumpers than t-shirts
< 1353777221 921602 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too heavy for the purposes i wear a jumper
< 1353777273 732443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can just wear your Homestuck underwear on top of your pants.
< 1353777303 950872 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha nice try fizzie
< 1353777310 782437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not googling 'homestuck underwear'
< 1353777333 989609 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an empty Tumblr with that title.
< 1353777355 948578 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which reminds me
< 1353777362 760208 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to pretend to be Phantom_Hoover 
< 1353777371 719430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also something I didn't understand in the results.
< 1353777402 672473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard someone mentioning something called 'mathfuck' or maybe 'fuckbrath', it sounded awful
< 1353777417 244586 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't get any more details out of them but that sounds like a good start
< 1353777958 663484 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1353777997 952074 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My query on Facebook for witch recommendations has received three likes. All by Homestucks, as it happens
< 1353778147 932279 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353778167 193986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this witch thing? 
< 1353778181 396267 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott needs a witch so he can become a duck
< 1353778197 425783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I "see".
< 1353778235 124381 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, why is your facebook picture a drawing of a girl :/
< 1353778239 936994 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not
< 1353778243 269486 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a drawing of me
< 1353778254 861755 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just rather devoid of masculinity
< 1353778257 576149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All Hexhamites look like girls, is that it? 
< 1353778266 70714 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in an unusual outfit
< 1353778280 415082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeewwww you watch doctor who?????
< 1353778312 208066 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1353778318 835156 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly sure you watch Doctor Who
< 1353778327 498586 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've complained about my taste in doctors before.
< 1353778331 964958 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!
< 1353778336 780150 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i don't watch it any more!
< 1353778351 744600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop liking things i don't!
< 1353778387 243363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's lowering your compatibility percentage.
< 1353778406 174758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to love how my dorfs are happy to have a drink at the edge of a 9-level precipice
< 1353778701 328277 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, at least you liked the episode with ben browder in it
< 1353778708 3504 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's *almost* like liking farscape
< 1353778715 929840 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which episode was that?
< 1353778741 967030 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that episode
< 1353778745 545947 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a good episode
< 1353778812 891066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1353778829 197270 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should not starve my mayor to death
< 1353778856 762096 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :farscape was a good episode. i was younger then, and probably happier.
< 1353778877 960672 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good episode of what
< 1353778913 903632 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my life
< 1353779102 820664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp, the mayor died
< 1353779115 457724 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least she was surrounded by her friends when she died
< 1353779121 189524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably begging them all for food or water
< 1353779319 514161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353779328 525825 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now they're showing their respects by leaving her corpse lying on one of the central staircases and making no effort at all to bury her
< 1353779368 87938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1353779381 538158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not a very good place to leave the corpse.
< 1353779423 960485 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops turns out i didn't have any spare coffins
< 1353779455 750972 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you don't have any coffins, the stairs is not a good place to leave it.
< 1353779464 771700 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Throw it outside.
< 1353779468 982954 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, dwarf logic
< 1353779487 1923 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey, there's the old mayor's corpse"
< 1353779495 515173 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It should be in a coffin"
< 1353779499 910606 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We don't have any coffins"
< 1353779525 133109 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bah, I've got more important things to do, like carry this barrel of mushrooms to the mushroom farm to put a mushroom in it"
< 1353779922 755663 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353780359 842890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrrm
< 1353780365 223017 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a donkey has gone missing
< 1353780371 874308 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another donkey went missing a while ago too
< 1353780382 916661 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we may have another, smarter vampire on our hands
< 1353780436 392678 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :vampiiiiiiiires
< 1353780526 514863 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A vampire donkey
< 1353780531 533930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horsepire.
< 1353780548 89824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, vampires will prey on domesticated animals if they can't find dorfs
< 1353780805 173638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :both of them have just vanished out of the blue, with no hostiles on the map and no combat logs
< 1353780808 761672 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all very mysterious
< 1353781932 309493 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no
< 1353781947 783809 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's elliott
< 1353781960 561655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a amplitude per second units?
< 1353781985 140536 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :amplitude is not a unit?
< 1353781997 597962 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dB/s?
< 1353782013 289815 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :dBHz
< 1353782048 11474 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353782051 540931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not measured here in dB though, it is measured using linear
< 1353782072 846484 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see that DF is trendy again
< 1353782084 107481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are floating point values that would be converted to integer and store in sound files.
< 1353782121 496935 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably that amplitude is unitless
< 1353782128 547034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fraction of the maximum cone displacement
< 1353782140 451454 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless your audio files are normalized to some volume standard
< 1353782177 717204 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case they are a maximum of some specified decibel value at some specified measuring condition
< 1353782180 724772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so still unitless
< 1353782203 584923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are 0 dB at whatever the user specifies in the Csound orchestra file, in the "0dbfs" parameter.
< 1353782229 122562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That becomes the maximum value without clipping
< 1353782386 784790 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that command to leave a message for someone using our bot[s]?
< 1353782395 503314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is Csound, and some of the commands I added take the amplitude per second measurements, such as the "slowchange" command.
< 1353782398 292728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell nooga it's @tell
< 1353782398 654798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1353782415 866094 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he didn't told me
< 1353782416 213727 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1353782419 893221 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353782440 269802 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waits until the next time you speak in a channel it's in =P
< 1353782486 598463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although you can check messages even without that, too
< 1353782496 112704 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott http://cl.ly/image/2R2T1L0G0L2e OH LOOK WHAT I'VE GOT :}
< 1353782496 510411 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1353782510 695264 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :done, thanks
< 1353782663 500233 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah you mean samples per second. also known as frequency. it is measured in Hz
< 1353782710 319530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, yes, it is Hz, I guess, although in this case the amplitude is important too
< 1353782728 756638 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the sampling rate is twice the maximum frequency
< 1353782750 550637 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as kmc said, the amplitude is unitless
< 1353782757 691571 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is relative
< 1353782768 976495 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amplitude will depend on bits per sample
< 1353782792 839524 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, accuracy
< 1353782799 647087 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use dB since apparently you specify a 0dB standard
< 1353782856 581500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what I have is more like a slope I think
< 1353783006 354174 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit itidus' ghost has possessed my spearmaster
< 1353783033 595164 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately he's just kind of standing next to a lever doing nothing
< 1353783045 384555 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's our itidus!
< 1353783118 705722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i think the reason i can't get her to do anything is that i just can't wrap my brain around possessing people"
< 1353783165 467257 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they say possession is nine tenths of the law, but what about the laws of physics?
< 1353783166 340986 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1353783182 319046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1353783187 929121 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :motherfucker trashed my danger room!
< 1353783336 514591 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1353783348 292231 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1353783450 275853 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353783543 888526 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, a device for training soldiers very quickly.
< 1353783553 354439 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353783750 241793 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make up the game involving possession nine tenths of the law of physics.
< 1353784427 61048 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :most rts's and social games are like that
< 1353784646 67076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I programmed the Csound command "aQ, anotQ flipflop aS, aR, aclock, [ithreshold], [klow], [khigh], [init]"
< 1353786280 168398 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1353786288 756479 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Csound?
< 1353786302 707954 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353786465 335370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound is a program to make music and sound effect.
< 1353786478 131824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can look it up in Wikipedia for information.
< 1353786532 361470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has its own orchestra prorgamming language, and then there is also a score file which tells it what instruments to play, when, and what parameters.
< 1353786639 219182 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353786639 653298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not difficult to add new commands by writing plugins in C. You don't need to do anything other than compile the plugin with the correct options (on my computer: gcc -DUSE_DOUBLE -I "$CSOUNDDIR/include" -shared -o csoundextraopcodes.dll -O2 csoundextraopcodes.c -lm); once it is compiled, it will automatically work.
< 1353786654 102363 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1353786677 638210 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw. I'm writing a roguelike with it's own, runic, esoteric programming language for inscribing items
< 1353786723 856911 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :script your own items, cool, huh?
< 1353786752 295223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK write a description of such programming language in esolang wiki then?
< 1353786787 19690 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that it does not exist at the moment
< 1353786802 154021 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353786812 501944 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have only vague idea how to tackle it
< 1353786893 443410 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write the ideas on a user subpage perhaps.
< 1353786915 148065 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured out how metajousting would work yesterday
< 1353787009 531116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed S, R, clock, to x-rate instead of a-rate. This "flipflop" command I made up can be used to convert other signals into a square wave one octave lower.
< 1353787017 366862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: How does metajousting work?
< 1353787070 338003 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rules about the tape and polarities are the same as for bfjoust
< 1353787102 145239 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the "flag" cells are initialized to zero, because the goal is not to tear down the flags on the regular tape
< 1353787125 127342 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead, there is a second two-cell three-bit tape, with both initialized to 7
< 1353787148 605061 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each player has a pointer to one of these cells on this tape
< 1353787166 303545 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we reinclude . and , to mean what they do in bf
< 1353787207 95850 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, if a player outputs 0, it flips the meta-pointer to the other cell, and if it outputs 1 or -1, it increments or decrements the cell the metapointer is pointing to
< 1353787264 324764 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and , copies the current value of the pointed cell on the metatape to the regular tape
< 1353787274 554359 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goal is to lower the metaflag for two cycles
< 1353787290 760400 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the opponent's
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< 1353787592 346605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now implement it and/or write a wiki article about it.
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< 1353789065 118447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:48:39:  i'm handing control of this project over to you, you are more likely to know about witches in the hexham area
< 1353789068 563901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:49:21:  I can't think of any specific witch off the top of my head, but I'll put out some feelers
< 1353789080 491213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't everyone in hexham a witch?  it's sort of in the name...
< 1353789107 986921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i hear "hex" in that sense has only been borrowed into american english...
< 1353789210 779706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw in norwegian fairy tales a "hekseham" is an animal hide used by a witch to turn into that animal
< 1353789290 866468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait would that be a hide someone uses to turn into a witch...
< 1353789418 915018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dyreham" might be more correct.
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< 1353789618 963350 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, check logs
< 1353789628 674663 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has revealed critical information
< 1353789677 152980 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow
< 1353789688 298620 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles 'hekse' in an attempt to confirm this, ends up at http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heks
< 1353789713 589851 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is in luck
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< 1353789757 272237 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://translate.google.co.uk/#en/da/witch%20home
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< 1353790050 297526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: that would be combined into heksehjem 
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< 1353790480 408270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that minks language has some awkward flow control
< 1353790495 258996 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More or less awkward than Fueue?
< 1353790525 623242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more i should think, although the paradigms are completely different so how to compare...
< 1353790563 692445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are enough registers to do a collatz function similar to the 3-cell bf, but i'm not sure whether it is possible to manipulate conditions in the right way
< 1353790606 366550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't yet see a way to set a condition only if a register is 0
< 1353790660 853562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you cannot clear conditions at all if both registers are far from 0
< 1353790865 643109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it is easy to set one register if another is set
< 1353790879 340597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a inc a dec b
< 1353790889 215628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*one condition
< 1353790895 688162 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it would be trivial to implement, but i don't feel like doing that or writing it up
< 1353791135 695928 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The grad school funding thing that pays for my salary is called "Hecse". There are no hams involved, though.
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< 1353791564 428240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any driver to emulate physical damage in a disk image?
< 1353791567 378527 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1353791608 58014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a screwdriver hth
< 1353791760 358999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not what I mean.
< 1353791769 114049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
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< 1353793188 655591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux device-mapper has a "dm-flakey" target.
< 1353793199 932845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This target is the same as the linear target except that it exhibits unreliable behaviour periodically.  It's been found useful in simulating failing devices for testing purposes."
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< 1353793262 987904 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, how else are you supposed to know if your code does the right thing in bad conditions without having bad hardware
< 1353793285 917995 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353793327 344520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You give it numbers X and Y, and then it cycles so that it's available for X seconds, then it's broken for Y seconds, and so on. By default when it's broken it's totally broken, but you can also tell it to instead drop all writes but work correctly when reading, or to corrupt every N'th byte of each matching IO request data block.
< 1353793381 916409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you also tell it what parts of the disk are broken?
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< 1353793453 875324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it has an option for that, though it probably should be possible to do that too with device-mapper somehow. Possibly with some setup involving dm-delay too.
< 1353793586 621888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If nothing else, you should be able to make your "disk" by combining dm-linear's mapping to the non-broken parts and dm-flakeys for the broken ones. Some scripting would undoubtedly be involved.
< 1353793975 40950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm.
< 1353794005 150555 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so in DF, minecarts going quickly around sharp bends jump the tracks and spill their contents everywhere at high speed.
< 1353794011 57666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecarts can also carry magma.
< 1353794044 75100 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, did you do this by accident, or are you planning to do this delibrately
< 1353794056 332757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deliberately.
< 1353794084 636525 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, even in DF it'd be pretty ridiculous to accidentally build a magma linear accelerator.
< 1353794144 632124 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH minecarts are also a much more practical way of transporting magma over long distances than pump stacks, so I was planning to do it anyway.
< 1353794145 699414 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you accidentally built your magma forges miles away from lava
< 1353794151 554743 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you sneezed
< 1353794161 345901 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thought "let's be dorfy!"
< 1353794173 622771 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MAGMA TRAIN!!!"
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< 1353794884 10125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, that *is* what I'm thinking.
< 1353795520 54999 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ansuz.sooke.bc.ca/entry/254
< 1353796338 752167 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1353796339 100170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1353796344 322758 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1353796344 610951 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 6h 28m ago: well the part about conditions starting True was also in the talk page; the other change was that only conditions before commands count for the loop checking, which your
< 1353796344 886717 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :truth machine depends on. feel free to undo it but then you need to change both your implementation and your truth machine.
< 1353796345 32276 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 6h 26m 32s ago: that is, the condition x is used as a target in the truth machine, but ignored for the loop check
< 1353796345 32455 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 6h 23m 28s ago: also i certainly don't consider your use of bounded integers to be authoritative >:)
< 1353796348 856819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah thinking of the devil...
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< 1353796397 479803 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I the devil to you? :(
< 1353796413 610162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it's a stock phrase, slightly modified.
< 1353796613 910520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the impossibility of clearing conditions while both registers are non-zero implies Minks is not TC
< 1353796700 261525 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was afraid you might say that
< 1353797276 31794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm actually the more serious problem is that there is no way to set one condition based on another _not_ being set.
< 1353797336 288139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that's an oversimplification too
< 1353797559 300823 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah hmm "there is no way to" doesn't seem like something easy to prove
< 1353797716 736128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not true when a register is close to 0 :P
< 1353797758 668685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual argument is somewhat more complicated.
< 1353797864 654597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you make a graph where the vertices are conditions, and there is an edge between conditions if there's a dec or DEC instruction causing the one to set the other
< 1353798022 593176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when both registers are set, conditions gradually get set to True along the paths of that graph, until there are no more edges to follow.  this must happen in a number of loops <= the diameter of the graph.
< 1353798072 696059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :once this happens, no conditions can change again until one of the registers reaches 0.
< 1353798355 985591 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the graph is one way of describing the program?
< 1353798375 801527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well one aspect of it
< 1353798544 559328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am having an annoying intuition not to try to explain this
< 1353798585 607019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...maybe there's an error in the argument somewhere, then.
< 1353798708 987092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is more inclined to think his intuition is just being an asshole.
< 1353799231 407528 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I encode that in Haskell...
< 1353799241 527923 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AGE_AT_EVENT: = {Size=1:12} 
< 1353799241 673439 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ < | > | ] 
< 1353799241 673621 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ YYy MMm DDDd | YYy | MMm | DDDd | 
< 1353799241 673726 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YYy MMm | YYy DDDd | MMm DDDd | 
< 1353799241 673833 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHILD | INFANT | STILLBORN ] 
< 1353799242 14926 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :] 
< 1353799247 808807 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From the GEDCOM specs
< 1353799302 202377 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stillborn
< 1353799309 240805 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that when you're dead before being born?
< 1353799311 760168 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1353799338 650755 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm inclined to make the first part an Ordering
< 1353799351 748944 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I ask why you're doing this? it sounds depressing
< 1353799373 260534 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm writing a genealogy library in haskell
< 1353799379 596373 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a long term project
< 1353799385 335360 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very far
< 1353799479 730117 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are stillborn that relevant for genealogy purposes? I don't think they get to have much offspring
< 1353799488 271351 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1353799494 547511 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a standard that I'm trying to stick to
< 1353800001 589436 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh
< 1353800014 205805 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i let the vampire out so i could move her into a strand extraction facility
< 1353800029 988064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's already killed elliott
< 1353800118 530275 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you at least give her suncream?
< 1353800317 806533 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh she got Vorpal as well
< 1353800331 692999 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like this is some form of irony
< 1353800372 633711 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for--
< 1353800386 948622 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time she actually goes inside her little prison she immediately leaves and feeds again
< 1353800415 894602 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on her way to the bedrooms, she has passed the people carrying both elliott and Vorpal's bodies to the tombs
< 1353800506 658636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohshit
< 1353800527 680201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those 3 deaths alone were enough to make like 10 dorfs miserable
< 1353800546 611299 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could get very messy indeed
< 1353800613 694567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to exercise some exorcism
< 1353800627 260584 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so three of your people have been killed because they were trying to rescue dead bodies?
< 1353800637 967362 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now there are 5 dead bodies and nobody to rescue them?
< 1353800643 951780 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1353800655 227809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vampire kills elliott; body is discovered.
< 1353800659 706658 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353800666 739584 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vampire kills Vorpal, body is discovered.
< 1353800672 647254 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353800690 233401 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bodies moved to tombs. Vampire moves to other section of fortress where I am vainly attempting to trap her.
< 1353800699 520742 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oook
< 1353800740 999074 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tombs are also in this section. Vampire slips the net, moves back to bedrooms to feed again. People carrying Vorpal and elliott's bodies are going the other way and pass her in the corridor.
< 1353800755 133988 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1353800768 83058 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vampire kills third dorf, I follow her back and trap her properly this time.
< 1353800769 287492 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said "vampire moves to other section"
< 1353800788 703713 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming "other than the section the "moving bodies to tomb" action takes place in"
< 1353800970 39273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, they're the same
< 1353800977 268540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: the tantrums have started
< 1353800997 662183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a robust justice system and a lot of happiness boosters in place; i hope it's enough
< 1353801048 152740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :famous last words
< 1353801131 110856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a robust system where the captain of the guard is asleep, preventing any crimes being reported
< 1353801460 56977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, this has fortunately mostly blown over.
< 1353802536 955819 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1353802808 220833 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhshit
< 1353802824 599815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mayor has gone berserk, and she's friends with half the fortress.
< 1353802910 457965 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, we've now got even more miserable dorfs than just after the 3 murders.
< 1353803033 517969 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling the entire fortress is hanging by a thread.
< 1353803132 745554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should find that damocles dorf and ask him
< 1353803162 519450 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A butcher went berserk; I think this is it.
< 1353803399 364314 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, see, that is what happens when you put the dwarf named after me in peril
< 1353803436 545951 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your life is worth nothing next to a great strand extractor!
< 1353803511 969732 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm when were vampires added?
< 1353803524 209611 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :May, I think
< 1353803525 853223 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember seeing them, and I haven't played for several months by now
< 1353803530 663554 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains it
< 1353803668 968641 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, so how do they work when it comes to strand extractors?
< 1353803692 51201 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-163-47.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never stuck with a fortress long enough to encounter one
< 1353803770 533182 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is horrible
< 1353803906 352054 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, if I can't stem this tantrum spiral, I can at least make sure I have enough coffins to bury everyone in the fort!
< 1353804185 350756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need you to bury everyone in the fort?
< 1353804258 394010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if so, are you sure you require coffins to do so?
< 1353804367 230412 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if they all die, yes
< 1353804381 622996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to prevent miasma and unhappy thoughts from friends and relatives
< 1353804391 86358 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although by this point i'm not sure the latter will help at all
< 1353804411 595860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh: the number of miserable dorfs has fallen somewhat!
< 1353804458 802020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fallen off this mortal coil
< 1353804510 745381 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit
< 1353804517 111474 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone destroyed the bridge to the farms
< 1353804521 599260 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing i caught that
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< 1353804895 36881 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Gateship. It's a ship. It goes through the gate!
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< 1353805371 447480 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the good news is that the military can keep the place defended until the food runs out, which given current trends I would extrapolate to be until... forever.
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< 1353806276 179573 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy has ded :(
< 1353806283 877381 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1353807926 184584 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Population's now down to 50.
< 1353807931 417138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of that is insane, I suspect.
< 1353808072 842332 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353808224 653714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is *still* sane and valiantly tending to the wounded, despite having been miserable for most of this mess.
< 1353808342 559983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is sane?
< 1353808609 213107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies and slander!
< 1353809597 943949 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't help but laugh.
< 1353809608 731809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The vampire strand extractor who started all this just died...
< 1353809619 809900 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When a rock was accidentally dropped on her head.
< 1353809844 932184 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, am I alive?
< 1353809851 808171 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1353810312 443204 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fileserver is being described as "99.91% up"
< 1353810331 969296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :much improved from before anyway
< 1353810366 206599 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the only lesson I can really take away from this experience is "don't fuck around with vampires".
< 1353810397 307377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :filserver is 0.09% down. netcraft confirms it
< 1353810412 701238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's what took down the fileserver too
< 1353810426 126063 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if by "vampires" you mean "poorly designed SATA hot-swap power electronics"
< 1353810427 671512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote  I think the only lesson I can really take away from this experience is "don't fuck around with vampires".
< 1353810432 540989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1353810435 552161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  I think the only lesson I can really take away from this experience is "don't fuck around with vampires".
< 1353810441 234276 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1353810461 915847 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :855)  I think the only lesson I can really take away from this experience is "don't fuck around with vampires".
< 1353810594 983451 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhh
< 1353810609 418952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROBLEM?
< 1353810614 551970 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a segfault
< 1353810695 809406 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1353810699 955987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reset everything
< 1353810702 748278 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waaaaaaaay back
< 1353810784 621175 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I suppose I know not to fuck around with the vampire this time.
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< 1353813287 616103 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1353813291 576339 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no elliott
< 1353814750 262182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made "ares, aloop phasorloop xcps, [iphs], [iamp], [iloopstart], [iloopend]", where ares is a saw wave and aloop is 1 initially and becomes 0 after it loops once.
< 1353814903 6291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be used to index a table for looped sample playback, if you need something more complicated than loscil and so on.
< 1353815068 410595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is similar to lphasor but there are some differences, such as the aloop output.
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< 1353820171 312731 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: help
< 1353820172 514043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :                  : "≢"   U2262   # _ ≠ NOT IDENTICAL TO
< 1353820180 377295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I type ≠?
< 1353820436 148161 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compose / =
< 1353820467 242947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: That's not what I mean.
< 1353820471 720957 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Course, doesn't help with ≢
< 1353820474 609561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I type ≢?
< 1353820482 177096 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea.
< 1353820516 336363 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :₌
< 1353820758 966122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :…
< 1353821482 309307 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :… 2u2
< 1353823304 738773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Japanese time zone?
< 1353823343 719840 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+9, I think?
< 1353823473 225722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, thanks
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< 1353825509 580112 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora potato
< 1353825516 402920 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353825787 553767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :potato
< 1353825803 709833 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last page of the update is wonderful
< 1353826378 695820 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the HELL? I'm ssh'd into my old phone, hacking Debian onto it, and it just rebooted, judging by the screen… except that I'm still ssh'd into it. And it's still… doing stuff. Over ssh.
< 1353826426 205000 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to one random person on #clojure, I am able to "think really hard"
< 1353826441 181439 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And am thus being solicited by this random person for thoughts on a proposal on a mailing list
< 1353826683 596064 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1353826703 319469 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :potato?
< 1353826791 468096 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it has been used to mean "UPDATE!" in pound-MSPA
< 1353826839 71844 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1353826927 189682 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353827008 320749 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I especially like that you get volume control back after the bar is removed
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< 1353834658 72738 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Gateship. It's a ship. It goes through the gate!
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< 1353836040 626724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg http://ehird.blogspot.com/
< 1353836108 64925 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott 01:34:00  zomg http://ehird.blogspot.com/
< 1353836108 376585 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1353836123 418626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott is that the real ehird
< 1353836123 711033 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1353836223 869446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: why did you ask elliott that
< 1353836247 984816 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he deserves to know"
< 1353836259 594752 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010 is a scary place
< 1353836269 126053 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially in january 05, yikes
< 1353836292 912046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "i was hoping to keep it between you and me"
< 1353836302 722630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and whoever is in the channel or reads the logs"
< 1353836344 433752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You should learn lens!
< 1353836350 793985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then help me figure out my lens problems.
< 1353836466 273523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :logs/freenode/#esoteric/2010-01.log:[2010-01-06 00:31:45]  everyone should preemptively add http://ehird.blogspot.com/ to their feed readers because i am awesome
< 1353836496 382177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott 01:41  logs/freenode/#esoteric/2010-01.log:[2010-01-06 00:31:45]  everyone should preemptively add http://ehird.blogspot.com/ to their feed readers because i am awesome
< 1353836496 670994 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1353836510 577372 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you beat me to it !
< 1353836605 451453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sorry"
< 1353836608 312358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unask
< 1353836608 632779 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `tell' failed with: Prelude.head: empty list
< 1353836663 561410 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0
< 1353836723 789043 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so ielliott's blog seems a bit singleton.
< 1353836730 368200 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*elliott's
< 1353836794 48173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :indexed elliott
< 1353837546 142494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Did you learn lens yet?
< 1353837567 330164 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-161.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353837890 583529 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-161.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You got torn about by four horses, which did rather discourage people"
< 1353838268 450075 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no
< 1353842151 141035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no
< 1353842167 75294 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I really haven't!
< 1353842181 409029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't what?
< 1353842187 250889 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: (
< 1353842195 142718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1353842199 853040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What haven't you done!
< 1353842231 834448 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: |
< 1353842324 393802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :·   ⎜
< 1353842327 487534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :  — ⎜
< 1353842330 523527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :·   ⎜
< 1353842339 72435 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes thats me.
< 1353842348 281348 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"picture perfect"
< 1353842349 55054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: when did you grow a nose
< 1353842526 96655 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric : | |
< 1353842529 705468 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :_____
< 1353842547 482555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :—————
< 1353842548 188065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :—————
< 1353842548 517905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :—————
< 1353842549 35277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :—————
< 1353842550 363813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :—————
< 1353842567 990141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
< 1353842574 349525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
< 1353842580 59634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
< 1353842586 134152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
< 1353842592 30154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████████
< 1353842598 25140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hdlp
< 1353842994 347211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353844052 103820 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::─┐
< 1353844053 430408 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :)─┘
< 1353844118 225260 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353844174 483621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Are there any parts of lens left for you to figure out yet?
< 1353844206 755295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is this lens thing
< 1353844228 158308 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-161.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, a library for Haskell obfuscation
< 1353844260 25287 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353844261 6200 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how
< 1353844316 722050 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-161.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Lens s t a b = Functor f => (a -> f b) -> s -> f t
< 1353844335 933425 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-161.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the Functor is Identity, you've got a setter
< 1353844349 907531 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-161.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the Functor is Const r, you've got a Getter
< 1353844368 791400 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I’m not sure. I haven’t looked through all of it yet.
< 1353844376 970209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: What if it's a Context a b t?
< 1353844389 23859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"excuse me"
< 1353844391 526816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: What if it's a Context a b?
< 1353844395 422292 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-161.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you have a lens, I believe
< 1353844413 330687 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-161.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're the second biggest contributor to this library, you should know
< 1353844431 334170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am?
< 1353844442 352657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's just nonsense commits.
< 1353844499 86059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor---->Apply
< 1353844499 231915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :|               |
< 1353844499 232092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :v               v
< 1353844499 232207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pointed---->Applicative
< 1353844511 469677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Please fix the hierarchy to look like that. :-(
< 1353844560 436742 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ok, fixed. I also added type families while i was at it.
< 1353844574 720601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To whom?
< 1353844583 832866 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to ur mom
< 1353844590 763902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, where do type families belong?
< 1353844697 432798 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: For constraints, so you can make Set a functor for instance.
< 1353844743 496735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ew :'("
< 1353844748 744600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Besides Set will never be Applicative.
< 1353844851 358098 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-161.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Functor f => Pointed f where pure :: a -> f a; unit :: f (); pure a = a <$ unit; unit = pure ()
< 1353844944 402803 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-161.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Functor f => Apply f where (<*>) :: f (a -> b) -> f a -> f b; azip :: f a -> f b -> f (a, b); azip as bs = (,) <$> as <*> bs; fs <*> as = uncurry id <$> azip fs bs
< 1353844959 310988 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-161.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Applicative f = (Pointed f, Apply f)
< 1353844968 581926 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-161.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1353844970 382605 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That’s not zipping.
< 1353844985 15092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: No, Applicative has laws.
< 1353844992 565643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As edwardk pointed out in the other channel earlier.
< 1353845017 100824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what ion said.
< 1353845026 695856 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-161.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, is that me making a mistake, or is that me naming things badly?
< 1353845046 674884 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> zip [0..5] [0..5]
< 1353845048 372743 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [(0,0),(1,1),(2,2),(3,3),(4,4),(5,5)]
< 1353845051 718404 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> liftA2 (,) [0..5] [0..5]
< 1353845053 338340 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [(0,0),(0,1),(0,2),(0,3),(0,4),(0,5),(1,0),(1,1),(1,2),(1,3),(1,4),(1,5),(2...
< 1353845067 115987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> getZipList $ liftA2 (,) (ZipList [0..5]) (ZipList [0..5])
< 1353845068 796208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [(0,0),(1,1),(2,2),(3,3),(4,4),(5,5)]
< 1353845127 705618 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-161.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do "class (Pointed f, Apply f) => Applicative f
< 1353845159 601827 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better.
< 1353845209 450620 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-161.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Apply f, forall a. Semigroup (f a)) => Alt f
< 1353845247 992267 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-161.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that work?
< 1353845706 497253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really?
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< 1353853330 274684 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood
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< 1353853929 938050 :atriq!4e940da1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.78.148.13.161 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
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< 1353858371 746776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no it's elliott
< 1353858396 286171 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo
< 1353858396 612289 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353858401 58392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nolliott.
< 1353858433 700992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353858500 609575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1353858515 796568 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1353858634 758744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353858669 102099 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fizzilott
< 1353858838 895680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353858992 202699 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for-- i got another great strand extractor who isn't a vampire
< 1353858992 387805 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1353859005 300228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all this fucking around with doors and levers was pointless
< 1353859034 299279 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here have any experience with seamonkey 1.5 or seamonkey on windows 95
< 1353859140 202987 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this about a dumpster computer
< 1353859143 410047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
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< 1353859279 52986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :for++
< 1353859302 374026 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma for
< 1353859302 681519 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for has a karma of -3
< 1353859307 420078 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes, shachaf!!!!!!!!
< 1353859331 607715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help
< 1353859333 192817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened
< 1353859337 589288 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-161.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353859362 653611 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353859368 702927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma milkshakes
< 1353859369 5795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :milkshakes has a karma of -2678
< 1353859373 83243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1353859374 67726 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did this happen
< 1353859380 349662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which this
< 1353859384 534000 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no. I'm going to fork seamonkey
< 1353859385 983935 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :milshakes
< 1353859396 904480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353859403 961018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i don't even know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
< 1353859410 733825 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :milkshakes++
< 1353859413 390829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe dracula did it?
< 1353859419 292233 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :milkshakes++
< 1353859432 430982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma milkshakes
< 1353859432 576538 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :milkshakes has a karma of -2676
< 1353859436 794325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a long way to go monqy
< 1353859437 136527 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: actually depends on whether you count my computer as dumpster conmputer
< 1353859446 925472 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get it from a dumpster
< 1353859453 295165 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes
< 1353859459 819438 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's a dumpster computer.......................
< 1353859464 79353 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353859470 508356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumpster computers are computers that compute dumpsters
< 1353859470 876704 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 10 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1353859474 394890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1353859476 637419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353859504 182554 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how does one compute dumpsters?
< 1353859509 442558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wait what
< 1353859521 886954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I demand @messages in public
< 1353859532 867443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i demand no
< 1353859541 263958 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there you go
< 1353859544 73343 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1353859545 550386 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages.
< 1353859556 206906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why cant you be like nortti?
< 1353859563 775971 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1353859564 112645 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages.
< 1353859568 504510 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this make me Cool
< 1353859570 370906 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-161.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1353859570 516351 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages.
< 1353859574 518248 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-161.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1353859576 767686 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you want elliot to be insane?
< 1353859578 887856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy oops
< 1353859579 240110 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1353859616 287259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey elliott
< 1353859622 364135 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages?
< 1353859622 755888 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1353859623 531120 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages.
< 1353859623 869634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: messages messages?
< 1353859626 242177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know I have OVER A THOUSAND stackoverflow points?
< 1353859633 193703 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@message
< 1353859633 521820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: messages messages?
< 1353859637 129212 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1353859646 414002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy you fool!
< 1353859646 738111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1353859655 499299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric
< 1353859656 105328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "not meant as an insult btw"
< 1353859672 147519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "just saying you shouldn't have done that"
< 1353859721 149301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to sleep.
< 1353859791 797161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353859803 110156 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't
< 1353860024 447784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: -t pls
< 1353860028 493788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the mode)
< 1353860037 120685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wolfe.freenode.net set +t for no apparent reason
< 1353860144 129958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy that.
< 1353860149 732510 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :fizzie
> 1353860149 998947 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1353860153 700278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie MODE #esoteric :-t
> 1353860153 722897 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1353860156 770898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie MODE #esoteric -o :fizzie
> 1353860156 792954 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1353860191 123208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks fizzie. you're the best
< 1353860534 612451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I didn't link you to it.
< 1353860557 122631 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came across it in an unrelated context and mentioned it in the channel out of surprise.
< 1353860563 591332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then monqy sent you a message.
< 1353860622 730386 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sleep-typing
< 1353860628 854732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. :-(
< 1353860644 487782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I was waiting for my laundry to finish.
< 1353860650 652231 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not sleeping
< 1353860661 862879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to sleep!
< 1353860734 416558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well.
< 1353860737 371661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'll sleep.
< 1353860752 941480 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no! It seems that GEN plugins in Csound cannot take string parameters, since the name of the plugin is already a string parameter.
< 1353860774 56097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353860903 19359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did this channel used to have a -t mode lock?  CS INFO #esoteric  currently reports only +n mode lock
< 1353860925 726376 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also did the founder be changed?
< 1353861047 896733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353861056 370810 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353861060 795793 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1353861124 78530 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1353861270 953828 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353861294 869757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353861616 520635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another possible use of zero-length arrays in C would be type idenfication, I think. For example:   #define T(x) (sizeof((x).typeid[0]))   Would it work, though?
< 1353862276 166795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353862517 640679 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.139.241 QUIT :Quit: public class MohammedAli { float like_a_butterfly; string like_a_bee; }
< 1353862614 473871 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1353862900 903111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353864054 589414 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1353864450 557501 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353864504 657502 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-161.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1353864583 585680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Cambridge Police: Woman summonsed after grabbing EMT’s breasts'
< 1353864647 662599 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net NICK :atriq
< 1353865331 13538 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1353866640 466680 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353866736 193031 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353867174 930437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did figure out a way to send string parameters to GEN plugins using GEN01 deferred allocation. It is a bit klugy but it does work.
< 1353868075 455145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:26 [freenode] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Founder    : freenode-staff
< 1353868079 642700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think that's new.
< 1353868082 521784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least new-ish.
< 1353868158 999903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353868178 851672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353868876 270757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1353868902 57372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1353868904 110359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was the mode lock set before? I don't know, maybe I don't remember.
< 1353869142 315979 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : 20:26 [freenode] -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- Founder    : freenode-staff <-- ouch
< 1353869154 287770 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the account of the original owner expired
< 1353869272 717237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like it matters
< 1353869349 562735 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully not
< 1353869630 185537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a +nc-mst mode lock before; there have also been mode locks +sc, +n-s, -nt, +ntc-slk and +n.
< 1353869651 511574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1353869653 847827 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you remove +n too
< 1353869656 118074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1353869789 914226 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2012-06-12 15:47:08]  I don't set modes. Anyway, -n is ANARCHY and CHAOS and HINGE.
< 1353869808 895743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was -n few moments there in June, and I think that was enough.
< 1353869818 215613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was after all exactly those things.
< 1353869835 409923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK but you set modes today.
< 1353869861 292249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or DID I? 
< 1353869882 513484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: also codu doesn't record you as saying that????
< 1353869886 344736 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that day or the two surrounding days
< 1353870009 463131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353870095 723866 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353870216 353922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2012-06-12.txt seems to have an inexplicable gap from 07:19:17 to 14:56:03 -- I have 343 lines of stuffs in-between those.
< 1353870259 639093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2012-06-12 15:33:22]  Gregor: Yo, fix glogbot already.
< 1353870263 170520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :History; it's so malleable.
< 1353870332 608655 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Send me those lines and I can integrate them. Richards@codu.org .
< 1353870349 521619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're in a stupid format. Does that matter? 
< 1353870357 726844 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends how stupid, I suppose :)
< 1353870361 390692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing I've been pasting has been a fake.
< 1353870368 22745 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always have to change the format, since glogbot logs in raw IRC.
< 1353870375 848492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In reality it looks like  12-06-2012 15:33:22 < elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott: Gregor: Yo, fix glogbot already.
< 1353870376 697730 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor doesnt incorporate things that require extra effort
< 1353870389 283165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353870394 867727 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, the new bfjoust scoring system
< 1353870414 787783 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Logs are more important than BFJoust ;)
< 1353870426 385106 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they?
< 1353870437 458707 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :even logs from june?
< 1353870444 577622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I bet -n broke glogbot.
< 1353870447 784148 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeeeeevery log is saaaaaaaacred
< 1353870452 263076 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeeeeevery log is goooooooooood
< 1353870452 631774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can glogbot handle people talking who aren't in the channel?
< 1353870464 86542 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll lay a log on your mom
< 1353870478 349014 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sure, it doesn't really care who's in the channel except to know how to report QUIT.
< 1353870622 786095 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I have tried it, if you sent message directly to glogbot it will still be logged (except password command).
< 1353870711 923990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you privmsg your password to glogbot, it will show up as "hunter2".
< 1353870715 994255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or so I heard.
< 1353870777 548655 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah its true, i tested it
< 1353870782 155602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well if that is your password it will. I mean specifically password command not just a command which contains your password. I think.
< 1353870785 7463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is it?
< 1353870828 624868 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh u
< 1353871038 836054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My logs are also raw IRC, although still different from glogbot; I use SIRCL although it should be easy to convert between if you don't need microseconds.
< 1353871363 521467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some log formats don't log hostnames, don't log seconds, etc, if you need to convert a format without hostnames into one that has, I suggest using "notavailable.pseudo", and if one without seconds/microseconds to one that has, to use zero.
< 1353871401 468371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353871455 190223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353871876 293950 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you start the fortress yet!
< 1353871949 797729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1353871951 132608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will soon
< 1353872099 198657 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close enough?
< 1353872302 367997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353872329 547533 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353872353 798445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353872499 6119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Client Quit
< 1353872513 871190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353872658 724448 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I'm having a positive influence on the community
< 1353872671 538767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start saying the opposite of what you would otherwise say.
< 1353872676 647288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should balance things out.
< 1353872684 620231 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a brilliant idea
< 1353872689 445382 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not ridiculous at all
< 1353872701 584265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you started already. Good.
< 1353872701 729656 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll not do it.
< 1353872948 661905 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1353873692 769679 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lawl
< 1353874195 346966 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1353874224 430083 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Stack :: (* -> * -> *) where EmptyStack :: Stack Zero a; PushStack :: a -> Stack n a -> Stack (Succ n) a
< 1353874237 738250 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to mess with GADTs more
< 1353874278 280347 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this :: operator?
< 1353874283 766310 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not an operator
< 1353874290 825789 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is messy experimental Haskell stuff
< 1353874291 583110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353874291 728850 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ocaml it means cons (as in head :: tail)
< 1353874299 751530 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Haskell, that would be :
< 1353874314 666451 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: means "Had type of" or, as here, "Has kind of"
< 1353874321 38838 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1353874326 333718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah those are switched :)
< 1353874352 52105 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you can use : to force a type in ocaml
< 1353874358 782732 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did the creators of ML and Haskell get together and say "How awkward can we make it for people to switch between the two?"
< 1353874380 369792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: i assume haskell borrowed it from miranda
< 1353874389 54490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ML was definitely oldest
< 1353874392 329271 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ocaml is french, so it's ok to be reversed
< 1353874407 232567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i assume it's the same in standard ml as in ocaml
< 1353874418 931336 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I certainly hope so
< 1353874428 868951 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's beyong my time
< 1353874436 377763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need a type "Succ" if the type "Maybe" would work?
< 1353874468 483814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think you can use Maybe instead of Succ for type-level calculations, yes
< 1353874481 291632 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you could even use [] or IO
< 1353874506 158651 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Yes you could, but if Zero is uninhabited then you have (Maybe (Maybe (Maybe Zero))) with three possible values, and so on.
< 1353874512 253156 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ML : and :: are Miranda :: and :, yes
< 1353874518 256717 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or StateT [Integer] (WriterT Ordering STM)
< 1353874527 818917 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, it's the types that matter, not the values
< 1353874553 942323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is why I would use Maybe here, even if the values are not used. Since, it will be compatible with something which does use values of that type.
< 1353874570 839702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the rationale is that cons is more often used than type annotation
< 1353874576 940771 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could, if you want, replace Zero with any type of kind *
< 1353874591 692337 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't matter if the type has values or not
< 1353874595 840112 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore in (Stack n a) then you can use the n type as an index to read something inside the stack.
< 1353874598 799713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while original ML borrowed the : from mathematical type theory
< 1353874646 723888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you miranda had a crazy type notation - type variables were *, **, *** etc.
< 1353874675 128718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so haskell improved some of the syntax
< 1353874684 97815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Yes you could do that too; but at least how I generally do, is define Zero as uninhabited, and use that as the number zero in types as well as using it as an uninhabited type in general.
< 1353874709 827888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have used *, †, ‡, etc.
< 1353874727 474748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :miranda was almost certainly pre-unicode
< 1353874743 618060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll make my own encoding! with blackjack! and hookers!
< 1353874771 268198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :♠♥♦♣
< 1353874772 329989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone made their own esolang with blackjack and hookers yet
< 1353874791 131504 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: UTF-HOMESTUCK?
< 1353874819 758054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should use name mangling for codes higher than ASCII, like CWEB and Punycode does.
< 1353874875 226099 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, are you on Sgeo__'s list of people to tell when an update happens?
< 1353874882 646490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure ghc does in the backend(s)
< 1353874914 175581 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they should do that with Haskell, too. Or, if is made Ibtlfmm with a Unicode extension, it makes the name like that, so that the same file can be used with ASCII files.
< 1353874917 321361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :z means something else
< 1353874953 872802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But is it possible to do it with source files?
< 1353874983 643835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we already have a fine way to represent unicode characters as sequences of bytes
< 1353874997 310783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc always assumes utf-8 for source file contents (ignoring comments which are more lenient)
< 1353875003 4420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazingly there are people in the world who don't use English as their primary language
< 1353875008 438002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and might want to edit documents in their native tongue
< 1353875012 96472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :including source code
< 1353875031 141520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: And that fine way is surely UTF-1.
< 1353875034 605886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that icelandic programming language again
< 1353875069 831952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bunch of countries had national localized variants of BASIC
< 1353875075 389151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes I agree you might want to do that, but you can use whatever encoding you want it shouldn't require Unicode specifically. As long as it is ASCII compatible, comments can be in any encoding you want.
< 1353875078 731232 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you get "more lenient" than an encoding? Is GHC expected to guess what encodings are used in a comment?
< 1353875084 20536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually as part of some government "teach our children to computer good" initiative
< 1353875086 526197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fj%C3%B6lnir_(programming_language)
< 1353875089 443104 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: yes yes I am
< 1353875092 71760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: you can allow invalid UTF-8 sequences in comments
< 1353875095 756662 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1353875105 928113 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you look for the terminator "-}" as a byte sequence
< 1353875107 956267 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is super useful actually
< 1353875110 835659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes I think invalid UTF-8 sequences should be allowed in comments.
< 1353875131 655199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then you can use UTF-8 or ISO-8859-anything in comments
< 1353875152 757802 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't use UTF-16 in comments though
< 1353875160 860485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true but why the fuck would you do that
< 1353875161 711268 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, well, hmm.
< 1353875168 117207 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :multibyte CJK encodings is a more realistic concern
< 1353875189 257986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree you should be allowed to use anything in comments as long as not conflict with the ASCII codes which terminate the comment.
< 1353875190 581577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly } is not in the ISO 646 invariant set, so if I go back in time 40 years and try to program Haskell on a norwegian microcomputer I might have some troubles
< 1353875205 443052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i guess ghc decided to do only utf-8 to avoid a mess for transferring files between people with different setups
< 1353875206 177808 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to end your comments with -å
< 1353875227 623560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC also allows non-ASCII identifiers though
< 1353875229 778401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably ghc did utf-8 only because it is the only reasonable thing to do
< 1353875237 615862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for those you need to know both the encoding and the character properties database
< 1353875243 611531 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Character encodings come in two sorts: UTF-8, and insane.
< 1353875249 270698 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not support insanity.
< 1353875255 225096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353875283 906338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode (I don't mean UTF-8, I mean Unicode in general) is crazy.
< 1353875306 709734 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Near as I can tell, essentially all complexity in Unicode is inherent to the domain.
< 1353875313 133115 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is complex because *text* is complex.
< 1353875316 416229 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode is pretty crazy but the advantages of using this global standard outweigh whatever complexity could be avoided by using your weird thing
< 1353875327 615137 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a small handful of things that could be simplified about it.
< 1353875346 769678 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But those are things you're probably not even thinking of.
< 1353875349 558058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i am talking to someone who thinks that gopher is the best hypertext protocol and magic the gathering is the best programming language
< 1353875356 986623 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if they don't do anything other than UTF-8 that is OK, as long as it is compatible with ASCII, which UTF-8 is. But they should allow the names to have ASCII equivalents, somewhat like Punycode does it. Or, just use ASCII encoding and ignore Unicode and everything, and do name conversion like CWEB does it.
< 1353875390 679431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Sgeo__ the human feed reader
< 1353875392 112526 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who speak only english tend to have poor perspective on the way text works globally
< 1353875401 950161 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353875411 49342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :english is like the simplest case
< 1353875411 620328 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Korean could be encoded jamo by jamo instead of jamo by jamo *or* syllable by syllable, for instance)
< 1353875436 651270 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ASCII doesn't even *quite* handle English, it just handles a sizeable subset of English.
< 1353875440 403142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1353875447 419676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it handles enough that most english speakers don't really care
< 1353875450 401338 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, hmm?
< 1353875458 733824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore it work as well with UTF-8 as anything else if you don't care about encoding and just ensure that 8-bits encoding works.
< 1353875460 298042 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What of English does ASCII not handle?
< 1353875466 963156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: café
< 1353875473 972073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but english might be almost the only language that's true for
< 1353875476 86410 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Well, you see, “quotation” doesn't work in ASCII properly.
< 1353875479 533480 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coöperate
< 1353875480 537208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even among those using the latin alphabet
< 1353875482 270478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :—
< 1353875485 184078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :confusion of hyphen and minus
< 1353875493 710545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all kinds of typographical stuff that's used in english text
< 1353875496 561512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :× (arguable, but)
< 1353875516 830424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII has $ but not £; English my ass!
< 1353875519 661319 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pt"
< 1353875527 135207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can code typographical stuff in TeX, even using only ASCII input file.
< 1353875533 514042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1353875546 349891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: can you enlighten me, why are you arguing with zzo about encodings
< 1353875546 665291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, TeX does support 8-bit input file too, if it would help.
< 1353875551 435753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i dunno
< 1353875554 836310 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Or you can do it in a transparent and clean manner by encoding things properly.
< 1353875557 423749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :been wondering that for a few minutes
< 1353875572 379643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm not so much arguing with zzo38 as vigorously agreeing with everyone else
< 1353875579 852657 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: By the way, have fun using ASCII input for Japanese.
< 1353875579 998243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that zzo38 is a harmless and entertaining crackpot
< 1353875582 502431 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anywho.
< 1353875605 693538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it bugs me how much that attitude pervades programming communities
< 1353875638 792112 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just do what CWEB does with 8-bit characters.
< 1353875641 872597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is zzo38 even arguing for
< 1353875646 444822 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode being stupid?
< 1353875662 190445 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, to exercise his keyboard, maybe
< 1353875673 403856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :har har
< 1353875683 164747 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Near as I can tell, he thinks that "a char is a character" is holy doctrine.
< 1353875726 153058 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets make char 32bit. problem solved
< 1353875741 739505 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A codepoint is not a character.
< 1353875749 10217 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is being stupid. In applications where you need universal character sets, it would have been better to design to change code points so that you don't need a lot of tables to know how to decode everything and fallback and so on.
< 1353875802 516106 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Your proposal requires *more* tables.
< 1353875814 209977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that would be simpler tech but it would not accurately represent the complexities of how text is used world wide
< 1353875819 620363 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :including the need to accommodate legacy encodings
< 1353875821 45451 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, afaict oerjan's dorf is miserable solely because someone else has a slightly better bedroom
< 1353875841 534857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode would be a lot simpler if it didn't have to interconvert with legacy encodings, and there would be some value in that
< 1353875850 3082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would hinder adoption
< 1353875931 363486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: darn that dorf really _is_ me, isn't he.
< 1353875943 153393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :frankly i'm sick of programmers who have maximal privilege wrt character encodings complaining about the extra work necessary to make computers accessible to others
< 1353876038 509961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yo how do you do the dfhack thing
< 1353876040 845318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the thing
< 1353876041 833215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the thing
< 1353876053 728670 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1353876054 947674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey as long as your software works for rich, able bodied English speakers living in San Francisco, that's good enough to make loads of cash
< 1353876059 618118 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the labour manager?
< 1353876062 946212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ul
< 1353876145 401688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make open source software so if someone wants something which I don't want, they can add it, anyways.
< 1353876191 112827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:28:23:  Did this channel used to have a -t mode lock?  CS INFO #esoteric  currently reports only +n mode lock
< 1353876194 500102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:28:45:  Also did the founder be changed?
< 1353876231 557571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) fizzie had just changed it back (2) i think andreou was finally deregistered in freenode's last database cleanup
< 1353876246 222561 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but you can design it in such a way that others can add these features later
< 1353876249 557798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the default policy is to transfer to freenode staff.
< 1353876259 213583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can design it in a way that is willfully incompatible with the global standard
< 1353876262 218450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for no reason
< 1353876312 623263 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I design in whatever way I think is best. Usually that means that any ASCII-compatible encoding (such as UTF-8, CP437, etc) is allowed in comments.
< 1353876350 839820 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And possibly in text too, it just won't decode it unless you tell it explicitly what it is.
< 1353876370 480961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (3) please set -n
< 1353876601 793370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((SPAM )S:^):^
< 1353876612 429592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! 
< 1353876617 693984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: FUNGOT DEFICIENCY!
< 1353876630 423514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (3) please set -n
< 1353876634 182610 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353876648 650016 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353876652 147601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((SPAM )S:^):^
< 1353876652 773664 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM ...too much output!
< 1353876656 497230 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353876668 310498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: see my assistant fungot's counterargument
< 1353876669 210478 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: someone once said it seems to come up with for ( f 2 1) 2
< 1353876691 579883 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1353876705 518010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: spammers don't actually use that, come on
< 1353876750 377912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The very last time I -n'd it was immediately all "HOKUM PRO HOKUM FREE SNAKES & A BARREL COME TO GOOGLE.EXE" from random-looking nicknames.
< 1353876778 178530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh also
< 1353876782 661192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right but i seem to recall that was actually me
< 1353876792 949650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I spam even with +n
< 1353876793 377321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1353876799 265295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just found out, dfhack also actually fixes two major bugs if you use the right commands
< 1353876815 334567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the bugs
< 1353876818 589961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw did that underwater bug ever get fixed
< 1353876828 91807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we prefer to have spammers where we can at least potentially ban them.  hth.
< 1353876834 165380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: +b works with -n...
< 1353876839 325454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff can't send to the channel if it's banned
< 1353876843 977787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it does?
< 1353876851 710898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well cf. the fact that you can't send messages while banned but in a channel
< 1353876857 87682 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, apparently there's a which in Hexham who has a shop opposite Gaia
< 1353876858 142470 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not afaik, but the actual nature of it was unclear
< 1353876861 67932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't actually tested it but you'd have to specifically code it to be really stupid for it not to work
< 1353876876 252301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the bugs are that humans and elves are meant to send diplomats
< 1353876892 43407 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which is on Market Street, I think
< 1353876898 779401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: a which
< 1353876906 991505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh, well, no risk of diplomats where we're going
< 1353876910 448441 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant "witch"
< 1353876914 573595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i dunno, it would be more efficient not to have to check a nick against the ban list on every message
< 1353876915 366042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh fuck what are you doing
< 1353876924 582098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's all under control
< 1353876924 963013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I liked it more when you were talking about a which.
< 1353876937 920909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with regexps, that is
< 1353876954 309503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ...but you already have to do that (and bans aren't regexps)
< 1353876962 8924 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people who are banned cannot talk even if they are still in the channel
< 1353876982 213791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need a which in order to become a dak.
< 1353876982 989165 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353877012 301884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn dak
< 1353877012 849564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "dak" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1353877013 170221 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dak
< 1353877013 317051 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: East Indian tree bearing a profusion of intense vermilion
< 1353877013 317240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :         velvet-textured blooms and yielding a yellow dye [syn:
< 1353877013 317352 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :         {dhak}, {dak}, {palas}, {Butea frondosa}, {Butea
< 1353877014 852787 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :         monosperma}]
< 1353877030 478272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: anyway my point is -n pls
< 1353877035 255838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no hokum I promise
< 1353877048 414839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but if it doesn't include people sending from outside the channel you only need to check the regexps when someone joins or the ban list is changed
< 1353877071 504839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can set a simple flag to check on each message
< 1353877076 492833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the source codes for this IRC server available, if so can you check?
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< 1353877085 758990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok how about we test it
< 1353877091 422147 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you set -n and kickban me
< 1353877093 397793 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I try to send messages
< 1353877118 281220 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like science but with more pain
< 1353877174 419601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexham's coven consists of a which, a whose and a wherefore
< 1353877192 832036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please it's been ages since I was kicked
< 1353877195 631272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to keep up my reputation
< 1353877211 837351 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1353877211 953242 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1353877236 23913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is MLOCK
< 1353877246 977085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mode mlock
< 1353877249 684763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to remove +n from it
< 1353877254 832237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lock
< 1353877255 393227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably mode lock; you need a CS command to change it
< 1353877280 794439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try CS HELP to see what command you need
< 1353877296 414758 :tswett_!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :tswett
< 1353877406 57675 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help
< 1353877420 819167 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to through money at iTunes, but I don't want to install iTunes
< 1353877422 215573 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do
< 1353877457 820045 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric :-n
> 1353877457 842659 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1353877465 561642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric +b :*!*elliott@unaffiliated/elliott
> 1353877465 580790 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1353877465 707441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric elliott :elliott
< 1353877465 894479 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :to throw through thorough money
< 1353877482 482634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOR SCIENCE
< 1353877491 224287 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexy science
< 1353877503 354984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pro hokum
< 1353877519 822980 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :w
< 1353877520 384936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :redeeming astrophysics
< 1353877520 530446 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1353877521 229082 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :w
< 1353877536 803506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :porcupine gramophone
< 1353877539 167653 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :here yet not here, it's magic
< 1353877553 428313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :technicality matriculator
< 1353877576 477857 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric :+n
> 1353877576 497277 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1353877637 185300 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric :-n
> 1353877637 218414 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1353877668 503661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :antipodal piano
< 1353877670 779008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rock lobster
< 1353877670 924300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope MLOCK didn't contain anything other than +n originally, my attempt to check just cleared it
< 1353877683 404471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :extralegal monogamy
< 1353877694 908746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It did not recently contain anything else.
< 1353877700 747610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :synonymic logic
< 1353877712 578673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :free pizza
< 1353877712 724562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1353877727 374796 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric :+n
> 1353877727 403728 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1353877730 608184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : There was a +nc-mst mode lock before; there have also been mode locks +sc, +n-s, -nt, +ntc-slk and +n.
< 1353877747 796202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure what was up with +sc.)
< 1353877774 133393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!*elliott@unaffiliated/elliott
> 1353877774 156718 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1353877784 337525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1353877784 377746 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1353877798 393832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353877890 107538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reason: 400 load at 31.22, try later
< 1353877891 821951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe switching to eternal-september wasn't such a great idea after all.
< 1353877968 39285 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm?
< 1353878016 221989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I switched from my ISP's Usenet server to eternal-september, since the former had been kind of flaky, with messages missing.
< 1353878042 950160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I got the above when trying to read news.
< 1353878115 164272 :augur_!~augur@c-75-74-129-116.hsd1.fl.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
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< 1353878306 555773 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353878638 148126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION laughs at today's darths & droids
< 1353878657 129051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it might require some context)
< 1353878812 476731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353879337 200462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reason: 400 load at 36.52, try later
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< 1353880175 277879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353880446 830618 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
< 1353880478 391944 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353881786 370697 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.141 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353881837 453024 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, what's the most well-known stack-based turing tarpit
< 1353881883 962257 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload, or maybe False?
< 1353881917 45632 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh underload looks like it's what i need
< 1353881940 945566 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What're you doing?
< 1353881993 747958 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "need" is a strong word, but it's just, i was wondering how you would prove a simple stack-based language to be TC
< 1353882000 613620 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload is stack)based ?
< 1353882005 300923 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't you mention that before!
< 1353882011 443675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: that's one interpretation of it
< 1353882029 126856 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooookay.
< 1353882043 9299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i make that alternative interpretation section i was thinking of...
< 1353882064 60612 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently not
< 1353882066 134930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1353882077 73629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um http://esolangs.org/wiki/Underload#Rewriting_semantics
< 1353882106 473534 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1353882212 238806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: the minimization section is all about how little of it you need to be TC
< 1353882221 913172 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353882360 566550 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-102.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1353882380 937724 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: interesting. thanks
< 1353882411 248722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: there are easier ways to prove underload TC
< 1353882416 57967 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1353882422 388959 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1353882426 147979 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't nooodl monqy 
< 1353882446 588516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed.  it gets harder with fewer building blocks.  and the ! removals are esoteric in themselves.
< 1353882454 240491 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help
< 1353882460 64176 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1353882460 409258 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1353882463 270680 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1353882582 734430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unlambda (well, really ski + a little extra) to underload conversion is the first proof, it is relatively simple and uses all commands.
< 1353882850 12782 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, did you see the latest update?
< 1353882894 226031 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1353882950 892182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353883046 127931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353883084 244937 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to your blog?
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< 1353883213 771081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ಠ_ಠ
< 1353883340 970605 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353883341 907423 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353883372 638012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this one is amazing
< 1353883522 384622 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the author hardly remained anonymous though
< 1353883523 351431 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Gabrielkfl
< 1353883707 800475 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, have a good night
< 1353883827 755804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help remember 
< 1353883828 30768 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote 
< 1353883828 348110 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember  
< 1353883828 493569 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quote somebody, a random person, or save a memorable quote
< 1353883871 457175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@remember ndmitchell I don't understand the semantics of Hoogle either, and I wrote it!
< 1353883871 786140 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will never forget.
< 1353883889 325265 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey shouldn't Truth-machine be in http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Examples?
< 1353883900 137796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm quite possibly
< 1353883991 16417 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps Deadfish too...
< 1353884292 505716 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm hey if I add, say, a "duplicate a block then deblock the copy" instruction to Ftack
< 1353884309 604448 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it be more powerful?
< 1353884324 222669 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ftack turing-complete already?
< 1353884333 786615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1353884383 630419 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :far from it :)
< 1353884390 495900 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess
< 1353884458 745785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at the very least i think you'd get a larger class of infinite loops
< 1353884730 139571 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, good nght
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< 1353885258 723796 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you seen my brogue streamer screenshot?
< 1353885404 7119 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1353885493 915175 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's broken, but I'm working on it
< 1353885520 439653 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty efficient also, changes to Brogue's platform code were minimal
< 1353885699 785340 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can handle full color and animation
< 1353885714 537535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume it just streams the faketerm
< 1353885736 151994 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no realtime "omniscience" mode & inventory view
< 1353885796 299066 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed Brogue's platform code to accumulate screen updates in a buffer and send them via TCP socket when game commits the changes to the screen
< 1353885814 322694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, letting spectators use omniscience would be bad
< 1353885835 545565 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there is a simple server that broadcasts this stuff to websocket clients
< 1353885846 288814 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :an I use rot.js for rendering
< 1353885885 855178 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah :D
< 1353885906 414198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if there was an in-game spectating mode too, though I don't know how hard that would be
< 1353885946 651941 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very hard, I got some ideas from Joshua Day
< 1353885989 378518 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1353886007 399457 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this web client is an excercise in futility
< 1353886033 806184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can do spectating then you can also do server-based play
< 1353886055 912913 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about that
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< 1353890225 576294 :Rawlie!~Pocoyo@host86-171-95-8.range86-171.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :K
< 1353890359 760961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Rawlie 
< 1353890371 812306 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rawlie: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1353891247 518360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353891310 564365 :Rawlie!~Pocoyo@host86-171-95-8.range86-171.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1353891337 109284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're welcome.
< 1353891659 522648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38++
< 1353891684 278194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf++
< 1353891695 859630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, lambdabot isn't here.
< 1353891719 400857 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also, karma is meaningless.
< 1353891722 627407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  `welcome Rawlie  * zzo38 (~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca) has joined #esoteric   thank you   You're welcome.
< 1353891726 132360 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :856)  `welcome Rawlie  * zzo38 (~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca) has joined #esoteric   thank you   You're welcome.
< 1353891778 798628 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hostname could've been stripped from the quote
< 1353891794 427006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free :P
< 1353891812 786944 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 856
< 1353891813 57876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you _must_ use sed to do it.  strict policy.
< 1353891817 317907 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof*  `welcome Rawlie  * zzo38 (~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca) has joined #esoteric   thank you   You're welcome.
< 1353891817 550701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dran.
< 1353891834 526847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or replace with a different domain name if you want "zzo38computer.org" since that point to my computere even in case of DHCP change or ISP changed.
< 1353891835 837286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly for not using sed -----###
< 1353891846 987929 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote   `welcome Rawlie  * zzo38 has joined #esoteric   thank you   You're welcome.
< 1353891850 725803 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :856)  `welcome Rawlie  * zzo38 has joined #esoteric   thank you   You're welcome.
< 1353891852 770163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, you might want to leave it as it is instead, in case you want to know it is Eastlink for now
< 1353891867 305281 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know how to HackEgo :(
< 1353891875 551659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think FireFly was concerned about your privacy, more like
< 1353891890 806437 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, mostly about the unnecessary clutter
< 1353891907 926919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: PAINFULLY, hth
< 1353891912 610198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care about the privacy in this case; it is on the logs anyway and is public. Some things are private but this isn't one of them.
< 1353891923 354882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is private
< 1353891940 775233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: an ancient pre-web concept
< 1353891968 79251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please use the gopher service.
< 1353892016 808605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically private = gopher
< 1353892023 917196 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that is public too
< 1353892030 625582 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353892034 603057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that link is broken right
< 1353892038 283224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by way of using cjb.net
< 1353892057 853966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, I need to fix it.
< 1353892088 276614 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also close that HTML element
< 1353892088 549082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed
< 1353892114 930132 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I did that too, now.
< 1353892220 237976 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GopherVR
< 1353892279 688159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> upon (!!2) succ "zzo38"
< 1353892281 104794 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match type `GHC.Types.Char' with `f0 GHC.Types.Char'
< 1353892283 740006 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: reminds me of goons "archaelogy"-ing old online VR systems.
< 1353892285 110394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> over (upon (!!2)) succ "zzo38"
< 1353892287 48075 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "zzp38"
< 1353892309 43091 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t over
< 1353892310 580609 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setting s t a b -> (a -> b) -> s -> t
< 1353892310 952099 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t upon
< 1353892312 498823 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Data.Data.Data s, Typeable a, Applicative f, Indexed Int k) => (s -> a) -> k (a -> f a) (s -> f s)
< 1353892316 969499 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Left "abc" & uponTheDeep (last . fromRight) .~ 'x'
< 1353892318 364721 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `fromRight'
< 1353892323 863329 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :..is this lens stuff?
< 1353892328 28766 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Left "abc" & uponTheDeep (\(Right xs) -> last xs) .~ 'x'
< 1353892329 790313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Left "abc"
< 1353892332 939142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Right "abc" & uponTheDeep (\(Right xs) -> last xs) .~ 'x'
< 1353892335 12321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Right "abx"
< 1353892336 755314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm
< 1353892347 148819 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the type signature says "stab". Must be lenses
< 1353892395 646504 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I really want to do lensey stuff in Clojure
< 1353892397 906922 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems cool
< 1353892406 608234 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I understand it, but it seems cool.
< 1353892409 786145 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know what it is?
< 1353892423 334272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck doing what lens does without a type system
< 1353892441 618957 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like sort of modifying a portion of a thing based on a function specifying where
< 1353892456 630275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know about GopherVR, which can be used if you want a 3D render of the gopher menus. I just prefer the plain menus, and may be programmed differently for different device and virtual machine and whatever, whichever fit best for that specific computer.
< 1353892474 739969 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(upon/uponTheDeep are awful hacks and should not be used)
< 1353892477 835154 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can brainfuck have monad transformer but not monads?
< 1353892486 497232 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an important question
< 1353892493 964364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Right "abc" & _right._last .~ 'x'
< 1353892494 452764 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a category, you will have at least identity monad.
< 1353892495 404350 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[GHC.Types.Char]'
< 1353892495 550429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :             with actual ty...
< 1353892501 165750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353892503 88313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Right "abc" & _right._last ?~ 'x'
< 1353892505 145824 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `Data.Maybe.Maybe b0'
< 1353892505 291288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :             with actual...
< 1353892508 63159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1353892509 617702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (?~)
< 1353892511 382244 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setting s t a (Maybe b) -> b -> s -> t
< 1353892516 771922 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t _right._last
< 1353892518 151930 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor (k (Last a -> f (Last b))), Applicative f, Isomorphic k) => k (Last a -> f (Last b)) (Either c (Maybe a) -> f (Either c (Maybe b)))
< 1353892527 916843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh heh
< 1353892537 868315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t _last
< 1353892539 83738 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f, Isomorphic k) => k (Last a -> f (Last b)) (Maybe a -> f (Maybe b))
< 1353892545 623911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Right "abc" & _right.upon _last ?~ 'x'
< 1353892546 527745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Data.List.Lens._last
< 1353892547 51389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For categories with final objects, you will also have Finalize monad. And then, there are various other possible monads depending on the category.
< 1353892547 196758 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[GHC.Types.Char]'
< 1353892547 196941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :             with actual ty...
< 1353892547 724810 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Applicative f, Indexed Int k) => k (a -> f a) ([a] -> f [a])
< 1353892548 777294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Right "abc" & _right.upon last ?~ 'x'
< 1353892550 194028 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `Data.Maybe.Maybe b0'
< 1353892551 211767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :             with actual...
< 1353892556 965441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Right "abc" & _right . Data.List.Lens._last ?~ 'x'
< 1353892558 509268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `Data.List.Lens._last'
< 1353892562 614625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1353892564 369802 :Rawlie!~Pocoyo@host86-171-95-8.range86-171.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys how do i go afk?
< 1353892572 867356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rawlie: stand up and walk away from your keyboard
< 1353892584 195585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Right "abc" & _right.upon last .~ 'x'
< 1353892586 67817 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Right "abx"
< 1353892601 780269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Name conflicts are terrible. :-(
< 1353892602 158818 :Rawlie!~Pocoyo@host86-171-95-8.range86-171.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that's not nice
< 1353892605 471512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rawlie: Use the AWAY command in IRC if you need to make a AWAY message for when someone will check.
< 1353892621 163176 :Rawlie!~Pocoyo@host86-171-95-8.range86-171.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1353892623 237403 :Rawlie!~Pocoyo@host86-171-95-8.range86-171.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty
< 1353892632 111524 :Rawlie!~Pocoyo@host86-171-95-8.range86-171.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's double clicking?
< 1353892670 996694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that question mean...
< 1353892682 505584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw my answer was serious
< 1353892686 657461 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no, wait, it is purple.
< 1353892700 144564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 makes a good point.
< 1353892717 736492 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW TO GO AFK: set your name to RAWLIE|AFK with /NICK RAWLIE|AFK and stay at your keyboard you do not want to leave it
< 1353892727 912149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to enter the AWAY command with that, but probably there is the menu something.
< 1353892729 743421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bold claim
< 1353892744 987820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rawlie: eat your keyboard it is the only way
< 1353892755 838568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :3colourful language
< 1353892770 755187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also sometimes use a client AWAY command too, but is rarely used; I think the syntax is the same as the IRC AWAY command but does not require a colon.
< 1353892782 999963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk: always fucking keyboards
< 1353892794 602534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk: ampersands = feudal knights
< 1353892806 431836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk: altruistic father ksomething
< 1353892813 108447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why aren't there more k words?????????
< 1353892830 282251 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AWAY I think client AWAY command is like this?
< 1353892832 773625 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kings?
< 1353892867 205356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rawlie: i rarely bother to do anything special when leaving the keyboard unless i was just talking to someone
< 1353892873 521073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"alas: fucked karl"
< 1353892877 240340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTCP help stop ctcping me
< 1353892895 778983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CCCP
< 1353892902 906001 :Rawlie!~Pocoyo@host86-171-95-8.range86-171.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hang on my room is on fire
< 1353892911 712780 :Rawlie!~Pocoyo@host86-171-95-8.range86-171.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :afk
< 1353892912 814666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then please go away
< 1353892923 102974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how about remove _first and _last
< 1353892924 312920 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1353892927 327742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the monoid ones
< 1353892951 974684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: edwardk likes the conflict
< 1353892960 450746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also take up it in #haskell-lens
< 1353892961 799352 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Rawlie mimicking bash or is there actually a scenario?
< 1353892969 712817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "btw we could've used you in there a few minutes ago"
< 1353892976 638202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were you doing a few minutes ago
< 1353892997 692891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting lambdabot in the channel.
< 1353892998 444493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip Rawlie 
< 1353893002 508555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had to do it "illegitimately".
< 1353893012 533586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 
< 1353893026 444324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably one of those CTCPs set their computer on fire
< 1353893034 204629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What do you think of upon?
< 1353893043 477338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> set (upon (!!4)) 'q' "hello there"
< 1353893045 197761 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "hellq there"
< 1353893049 296077 :Rawlie!~Pocoyo@host86-171-95-8.range86-171.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol my poster got burnt
< 1353893052 651907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it
< 1353893058 907534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It turns a getter into a setter.
< 1353893080 710945 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rawlie, just to confirm, there is presently no fire, correct?
< 1353893081 270219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let setUpon = set . upon
< 1353893083 316236 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1353893086 112351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let setUponTheDeep = set . uponTheDeep
< 1353893088 183747 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1353893088 345716 :Rawlie!~Pocoyo@host86-171-95-8.range86-171.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolo nah
< 1353893089 461198 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :.......shachar what how
< 1353893093 703642 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shachag
< 1353893096 694246 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shafhac
< 1353893098 233589 :Rawlie!~Pocoyo@host86-171-95-8.range86-171.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my room wasn't on fire was just some paper
< 1353893102 941087 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf.
< 1353893108 986604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rawlie: OK.
< 1353893123 673825 :Rawlie!~Pocoyo@host86-171-95-8.range86-171.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just needed an excuse to try out the afk
< 1353893131 883224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let mylast [x] = x; myLast (x:xs) = myLast xs in setUpon myLast 'q' "hello there"
< 1353893133 673168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "hello there"
< 1353893137 976106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops.
< 1353893144 729258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> set (upon fst) "test" (1,2)
< 1353893146 617526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  No instance for (GHC.Num.Num [GHC.Types.Char])
< 1353893146 762999 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from the literal ...
< 1353893151 779614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> set (upon fst) "test" ("ok",2)
< 1353893152 120952 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does upon work?
< 1353893153 947147 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ("test",2)
< 1353893156 465808 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds magic
< 1353893177 338498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, my last is broken?
< 1353893201 655380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> set (upon last) 'a' "bcde"
< 1353893203 498397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "bcda"
< 1353893206 337396 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@source upon
< 1353893206 484285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :upon not available
< 1353893213 649518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let myLast [x] = x; myLast (x:xs) = myLast xs in setUpon myLast 'q' "hello there"
< 1353893213 794967 :Rawlie!~Pocoyo@host86-171-95-8.range86-171.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353893214 969646 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src upon
< 1353893215 410076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. My pet ferret can type better than you!
< 1353893215 586299 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "hello therq"
< 1353893217 851539 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it still gross and an ugly hack
< 1353893233 921226 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it theoretically possible for it not to be an ugly hack?
< 1353893234 475432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> set (upon tail) "oobs" "bcde"
< 1353893234 951024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: No, the hack fairy came along and cleaned it up.
< 1353893236 554837 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "boobs"
< 1353893236 700333 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it.
< 1353893259 828899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Unfortuantely upon (tail.tail) doesn't work.
< 1353893264 411567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need uponTheDeep for that.
< 1353893268 164374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you read that book?
< 1353893332 25544 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one
< 1353893346 584223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Fire uponTheDeep.
< 1353893347 218691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: huh
< 1353893354 943457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi
< 1353893386 953891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> set (upon (tail.tail)) "obs" "bollocks!"
< 1353893388 942478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "bobs"
< 1353893397 834248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1353893429 390921 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1353893433 522863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> set (uponTheDeep (tail.tail)) "obs" "bollocks!"
< 1353893435 479119 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "boobs"
< 1353893437 951046 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> i (dont . even)
< 1353893439 336763 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bobs
< 1353893439 512565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `dont'
< 1353893439 658171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these:
< 1353893439 658343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   `cont' (imported f...
< 1353893441 855582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel tricked.
< 1353893485 228378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t upon
< 1353893486 723947 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Data.Data.Data s, Typeable a, Applicative f, Indexed Int k) => (s -> a) -> k (a -> f a) (s -> f s)
< 1353893491 181676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t uponTheDeep
< 1353893492 884259 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Data.Data.Data a, Data.Data.Data s, Applicative f, Indexed [Int] k) => (s -> a) -> k (a -> f a) (s -> f s)
< 1353893582 37053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> set (upon (fst.snd)) 1 ((3,2),1)
< 1353893584 408231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ((3,2),(1,1))
< 1353893593 638067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1353893610 829378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> set (upon (fst.snd)) 1 (1,(2,3))
< 1353893613 177747 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (1,(1,3))
< 1353893625 60380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that worked
< 1353893628 418494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont try to understand it oerjan. it will kill you
< 1353893635 376936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1353893647 541196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're probably right
< 1353893665 65607 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (but you won't really be able to break uponTheDeep)
< 1353893691 230178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 :: (Int,Int)
< 1353893693 79797 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (1,1)
< 1353893696 479554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so
< 1353893712 160428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Node [1,2,3] [Node [4,7] [], Node [8,6,1] [Node [4,2] []]] ^. acts
< 1353893713 887398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match type `Data.Functor.Identity.Identity'
< 1353893714 33070 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                with `...
< 1353893716 865959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1353893718 759402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353893720 334096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Node [1,2,3] [Node [4,7] [], Node [8,6,1] [Node [4,2] []]] ^! acts
< 1353893721 908089 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Node {rootLabel = [1,2,3], subForest = [Node {rootLabel = [4,7], subForest ...
< 1353893736 463319 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Node [1,2,3] [Node [4,7] [], Node [8,6,1] [Node [4,2] []]] ^! traverse.acts
< 1353893738 27664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Ambiguous type variable `t0' in the constraints:
< 1353893738 173349 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   (GHC.Num.Num t0)
< 1353893738 173534 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     a...
< 1353893741 454617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1353893744 279846 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Node [1,2,3] [Node [4,7] [], Node [8,6,1] [Node [4,2] []]] ^. traverse
< 1353893745 543577 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num t => [t]
< 1353893753 320151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Node [1,2,3] [Node [4,7] [], Node [8,6,1] [Node [4,2] []]] ^. traverse.acts
< 1353893754 571481 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match type `Identity' with `[]'
< 1353893754 717390 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    When using functional dependencies to combine
< 1353893754 717576 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :      Control.Lens.Classes.Effective Identity r (Accessor r),
< 1353893757 328411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Node [1,2,3] [Node [4,7] [], Node [8,6,1] [Node [4,2] []]] ^! traverse.acts
< 1353893758 554306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Num t, Monoid t) => [t]
< 1353893763 680947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1353893764 899445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1353893768 33450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what
< 1353893776 422172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t traverse.acts
< 1353893777 619876 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Applicative f, Traversable t, Control.Lens.Classes.Effective m r f) => (a -> f a) -> t (m a) -> f (t (m a))
< 1353893782 833497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi
< 1353893820 396436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1353893832 591703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Node [1,2,3] [Node [4,7] [], Node [8,6,1] [Node [4,2] []]] ^! acts
< 1353893833 805926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num t => Tree [t]
< 1353893838 760100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Node [1,2,3] [Node [4,7] [], Node [8,6,1] [Node [4,2] []]]
< 1353893840 48603 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num t => Tree [t]
< 1353893859 952452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t folding
< 1353893861 327378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Applicative g, Foldable f, Gettable g) => (s -> f a) -> LensLike g s t a b
< 1353893865 840271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Node [1,2,3] [Node [4,7] [], Node [8,6,1] [Node [4,2] []]] ^. folding acts
< 1353893867 216509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `Tree [t0]'
< 1353893867 361974 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                with actual type `a0 -> f0 a0'
< 1353893867 362134 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Expected type: Tree [t0] -> f1 a1
< 1353893869 351965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t folded
< 1353893870 565651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Applicative f1, Foldable f, Gettable f1) => (a -> f1 a) -> f a -> f1 (f a)
< 1353893874 916782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Node [1,2,3] [Node [4,7] [], Node [8,6,1] [Node [4,2] []]] ^. folded acts
< 1353893876 281591 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `Accessor a0 t0'
< 1353893876 427163 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                with actual type `a0 -> Accessor a0 b0'
< 1353893876 427318 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Expected type: Getting a0 (Tree [t1]) t0 a0 b0
< 1353893879 195524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Node [1,2,3] [Node [4,7] [], Node [8,6,1] [Node [4,2] []]] ^! folded acts
< 1353893880 398028 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `Control.Lens.Internal.Effect
< 1353893880 543519 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                                    m0 a0 t0'
< 1353893880 543694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                with actual type `a0 -> Control.Lens.Internal.Effect m0 a0 b0'
< 1353893882 666964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Node [1,2,3] [Node [4,7] [], Node [8,6,1] [Node [4,2] []]] ^! folding acts
< 1353893884 247183 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `Tree [t0]'
< 1353893884 392894 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                with actual type `a0 -> f0 a0'
< 1353893886 296061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh
< 1353893886 441513 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Expected type: Tree [t0] -> f1 a1
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< 1353896363 809031 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think maybe I shouldn't allow trolls to melt my brain
< 1353896385 19343 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Facebook is basically a skin on top of the G+ API." http://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/13rxbo/facebook_hq_posters_urge_employees_to_ditch/c76qchb
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< 1353896591 581294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a very good troll
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< 1353896638 585464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are you talking about the Reddit post, or Sgeo__ pasting Reddit troll posts into IRC?
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< 1353897598 379469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh ttants: ßβ
< 1353897610 269794 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reddit post is not a very good troll, i meant
< 1353897615 519953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: gettin' peered bro
< 1353897618 818802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :might want to look into that
< 1353897688 277787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::{
< 1353897692 256465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my internet connection is bad
< 1353897709 708832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh to irssi in ec2 micro instance
< 1353897714 100692 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the way to go"
< 1353897730 102471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dislike irssi
< 1353897743 78257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353897760 801716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah if you Ctrl+F ß in Chromium, it finds 'ss' too
< 1353897784 257778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1353897792 204276 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit, it does.
< 1353897792 540589 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now kmc
< 1353897796 568199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were to implement a perfect irc client for me
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< 1353897839 767029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln -s /usr/bin/less ~/bin/leß
< 1353897865 593779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353897870 213285 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : now kmc
< 1353897872 236157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you were to implement a perfect irc client for me
< 1353897894 207206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's what he's doing!
< 1353897900 442507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"btw a perfect irc client is web based"
< 1353897905 506959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and also doesn't use irc"
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< 1353901266 855169 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy Fiora dingdingdingdingdingdingdinganupdatephone
< 1353901284 540101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1353901293 827274 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate phones
< 1353902439 759263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 1y
< 1353902442 894507 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :525)  monqy: help how do I use lambdabot to send messages to people.  [...around half an hour later...]   @messages   quicksilver said 1y 2m 18d 19h 54m 29s ago: you use @tell
< 1353902472 66028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I changed my mind, /that/ is the best quote in the qdb
< 1353902495 107866 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1353902803 312305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.princeton.edu/picasso/mats/HotspotOverview.pdf has some pretty badass internal details of the hotspot VM
< 1353902894 277888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a pretty clever solution to the problem of signaling to threads that they should stop at a safe point, to garbage collect or whatever
< 1353902920 904359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :each thread tries to read a particular memory address periodically (discarding the result) and to make them stop, you just unmap that page
< 1353902999 266393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the instruction that you have to sprinkle all throughout your code is simpler than a read + conditional jump, and doesn't clobber a register
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< 1353903103 577112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah.
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< 1353903322 50301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on x86 it uses 'test'
< 1353903333 49621 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on SPARC it loads %g0, the "always reads zero" register
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< 1353910191 131144 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's pretty devious, though I guess it sounds like it helps more on non-x86
< 1353910217 199335 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?  i thought the x86 was register-poor, wouldn't it help a ton to not have to clobber one?
< 1353910239 577100 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmp [mem], val
< 1353910242 816530 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't require a register, I think?
< 1353910252 553557 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think untaken jumps are usually free
< 1353910293 648003 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i guess
< 1353910324 917469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't help with the conditional jump.
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< 1353910348 925622 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I guess it's okay if the jump is almost never taken but yeah I guess it'd be pretty bad if it's unpredictable
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< 1353911172 544846 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Heh, interesting.
< 1353911271 947361 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :Friendship
< 1353911529 976329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should get predicted correctly but it's still work for the branch predictor
< 1353911579 268360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i think more compact code is part of the point of it
< 1353911620 707037 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
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< 1353912873 310619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hey you know how I keep disconnecting
< 1353912884 467354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: if I use mosh it will be able to keep my session across those shitty things right
< 1353913208 93793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1353913237 471044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sold
< 1353913247 93710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to install an irssi client on my server
< 1353913248 743525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is weechat any good
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< 1353913283 592378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really like irssi
< 1353913288 448600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its channel-switching interface makes me sad
< 1353913308 240651 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can use quassel if you don't like irssi?
< 1353913319 268804 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it uses its own protocol I think, so like you don't need ssh/mosh
< 1353913320 736149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't quassel a qt thing
< 1353913331 732300 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure, I've just heard it suggested as an alternative
< 1353913337 141220 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't used it though
< 1353913341 338017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :client-server clients are nice but iirc i tried quassel once and its client UI was awful
< 1353913370 368385 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses irssi personally
< 1353913392 670926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my problems with irssi are twofold:
< 1353913414 592510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can never get alt+n to work in my terminal so i have to switch with "/w n" (verbose) or "n" (awkward)
< 1353913416 129102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and
< 1353913424 199956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate memorising which number a channel/query is on
< 1353913425 67976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt+n has always worked for me.
< 1353913428 864672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't like it, you can Esc+n
< 1353913440 348512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean if it doesn't work.
< 1353913447 242193 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't get alt numbers working with your terminal, what?
< 1353913447 410449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you can use the channel name to switch.
< 1353913457 824411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already said n
< 1353913464 779277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well just generall alt+foo does not send ^[foo for me
< 1353913471 671062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh.
< 1353913473 896228 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1353913474 789956 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: mac
< 1353913474 968272 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never had problems with alt-n @_@  
< 1353913476 251128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it is some Xresource I need to tweak
< 1353913479 560885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not use os x
< 1353913489 601997 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use urxvt fwiw
< 1353913492 224407 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how mysterious.
< 1353913493 269584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't either.
< 1353913497 703514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used urxvt with irssi for years.
< 1353913509 989895 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this like, the problem where the window manager captures alt-N?  I remember once having issue with it using the alt keys to select which terminal tab to use instead of sending it
< 1353913527 320168 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I solved it by not using tabs
< 1353913530 119887 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is just irssi not interpreting alt as meta
< 1353913531 37672 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't really a solution but
< 1353913535 879379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it spontaneously fixed itself sometime since let me test
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< 1353913556 348622 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.151.133.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1353913559 962093 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.151.133.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt+ inputs 
< 1353913566 214483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1353913568 144045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How?
< 1353913572 13738 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.151.133.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it just does
< 1353913577 672372 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.151.133.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right I forgot I also hate irssi's default colour scheme
< 1353913588 424006 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.151.133.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the fact that you can't copy text from irssi without it getting horribly mangled, whitespace-wise
< 1353913693 166922 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.151.133.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there is some secret way to copy text reasonably
< 1353913695 687193 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.151.133.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that everybody is hiding from me
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< 1353913937 274423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried both Quassel and WeeChat and neither really "did it", but I've heard both suggested.
< 1353913969 473889 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353914008 916852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also, I n even though alt-n tends to work most of the time.)
< 1353914058 77638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I do use alt-a though, as opposed to a. (Except on the phone, which doesn't have an alt.)
< 1353914065 43155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you use urxvt
< 1353914068 155375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1353914101 718913 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use urxvt and alt-n and alt-a work for me all the time.....................
< 1353914140 112198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i have both of yrrr Xresources/Xdefaults files
< 1353914142 314528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least
< 1353914144 43367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the urxvt parts of them
< 1353914153 393405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but there's nothing interesting in it.
< 1353914162 832130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/XOQC
< 1353914185 182391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1353914214 897515 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Incidentally, talking about alt-a, I really hate active_window_ignore_refnum; fortunately it can be turned off.)
< 1353914232 748229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is active_window_ignore_refnum
< 1353914268 143000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a toggle for the thing they did for alt-a, to make it switch to the last-activated window within those that have the highest activity level.
< 1353914275 988932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is your colour scheme nice, maybe I should steal it
< 1353914310 814186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old behaviour was to switch to the lowest-numbered such window, which I liked, since it was immediately obvious (from the activity list) which window it was going to switch to.
< 1353914362 939793 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my colorscheme is just it gets rid of all the backgrounds (they're black), and the foregrounds become purple
< 1353914383 302983 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and i do some stuff with the timestamp
< 1353914388 52194 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :colours and stuff
< 1353914396 759159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you mean irssi or urxvt colors? 
< 1353914401 962643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter are just the CGA colors.
< 1353914418 561835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At home I have a bit brighter blues, but it seems I haven't updated this work box.)
< 1353914442 127140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am talking about rxvt colours
< 1353914447 473695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1353914449 262024 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353914454 69266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use Deewiant's blue
< 1353914463 403128 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use whatever the defaults are
< 1353914464 738811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have copied it from him too.
< 1353914469 825391 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it makes my blues dark
< 1353914472 185977 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but im fine with that
< 1353914516 966453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :URxvt.color4: #0040ff
< 1353914517 151725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :URxvt.color12: #5c5cff
< 1353914518 654290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the One True Blue
< 1353914523 743879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have #2222cc for dark blue and #6666ff for bright blue. I think I just added some numbers to my old blue.
< 1353914549 262409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I am terribly attached to the CGA palette, it was just so... regular.
< 1353914562 299540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all 0s, 5s, as or fs.
< 1353914598 820591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though the brown is admittedly not quite in the PATTERN.)
< 1353914622 26744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to get an xchat-style channel list sidebar in irssi. i realise asking for this makes me hopelessly uncool
< 1353914677 619339 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1353914700 612690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: :(
< 1353914706 673349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've seen scripts or plugins for that kind of stuff.
< 1353914885 134821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my, nicklist.pl writes the nick list to a whole other terminal. That's very screwy.
< 1353914896 916526 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy
< 1353914906 129770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i dont want that..........
< 1353914919 414794 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need a nick list anyway
< 1353914927 649273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont want a nicklist !
< 1353914933 192523 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a channel list so i see the numbers things are on and stuff
< 1353914938 206080 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353914938 802702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I was just looking at it since it's a sidebar too.
< 1353914945 704552 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i misread channel list as nick list...
< 1353914965 746007 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fizzie said nicklist.pl
< 1353914992 259877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you have some secret tip for copying irc text from a console irc client without it inserting lots of spaces where it wraps the lines etc.
< 1353914996 822874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is v. important for me esp. for quote-adding
< 1353915003 631693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bud Light Platinum has 137 calories per 12 ounce serving, 8 fewer than a regular Budweiser."
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< 1353915140 124161 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: do you have some secret tip for copying irc text from a console irc client without it inserting lots of spaces where it wraps the lines etc.
< 1353915143 126081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : this is v. important for me esp. for quote-adding
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< 1353915224 521084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail the log?
< 1353915248 374198 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy it one line at a time!!
< 1353915258 681699 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :extend your terminal to fit it all on at once!!!!!
< 1353915260 714829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sometimes I paste to "fmt -t -w 1000".
< 1353915280 23728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then recopy from the output.)
< 1353915293 808156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Most often I just copy manually one line at a time, though.)
< 1353915379 364689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys
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< 1353915382 826016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all these options seem... pretty bad??
< 1353915399 326068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fmt trick is kind of nasty for multiple lines since the input gets mixed with the output, and "cat > tmp.txt; fmt -t -w tmp.txt" is really too much to bother with.
< 1353915425 373842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tailing the log is possibly most sensible, except I don't have irssi logging anything, and the bouncer's log format is the stupidest.
< 1353915445 478512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does irssi have log-tail functionality (tm)
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< 1353915459 657692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :™
< 1353915464 388157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1353915467 9592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :℠
< 1353915492 392103 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, I can't help you without paying royalties to shachafco.
< 1353915502 551132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1353915506 325031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's Gregor?
< 1353915528 265914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could bind a command/key to doing /exec tail logfile-of-the-channel, that'd be like so modern.
< 1353915529 860387 :Friendship!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor just wants to be your friend. Ship. Friendship.
< 1353915564 108658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you control-f for ℠ it will find 'sm' as well
< 1353915574 25096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously they are doing some kind of normalization
< 1353915578 54997 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but which kind?!?
< 1353915599 455274 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but doesn't exec give unhelpful output
< 1353915601 415102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like won't it still wrap
< 1353915684 236439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, really.
< 1353915693 899780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it wraps too.
< 1353915729 590648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure does.
< 1353915741 981351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a kind of /exec that expands into the input line
< 1353915743 460478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could work out
< 1353915786 999544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an exec that spews on-channel, but it's kind of risky maybe? 
< 1353915829 866085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could write a quote-adding script that lets you grab quotes by nick-matching and regexes in the recent happenings of the current window.
< 1353915831 195822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, well I want to combine stuff into one line
< 1353915832 336286 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :edit it etc.
< 1353915834 855927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are bots with that kind of stuff.
< 1353915837 529326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I use it for things other than quote-matching...
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< 1353916072 220392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you really copy every line separately. that must be awful
< 1353916095 431779 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for quote adding?
< 1353916108 859106 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or i stretch my terminal
< 1353916117 436165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugeterm reasons??
< 1353916123 41350 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time i just do sloppy quoting
< 1353916134 115059 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey
< 1353916139 566298 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do either of you know what i need to do to get clickable links in irssi
< 1353916143 747702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clickable can include like modifier+click
< 1353916144 722733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by irssi
< 1353916145 754760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean urxvt
< 1353916164 650231 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have those
< 1353916185 505940 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :URxvt.perl-ext-common: default,matcher
< 1353916185 651595 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :URxvt.urlLauncher: /usr/bin/chromium
< 1353916185 651786 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :URxvt.matcher.button: 1
< 1353916201 443689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you corroborate
< 1353916294 130981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't done clickables. But that seems very reasonable.
< 1353916303 738243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't used any of the berl extensions, in fact.
< 1353916723 47307 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1353916889 16082 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net NICK :atriq
< 1353917039 340659 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like today's Freefall
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< 1353917348 971405 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: To add more confusion, my urxvt stuff: http://sprunge.us/AHVP
< 1353917381 386209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You don't use Deewiant blue?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
< 1353917403 113014 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my laptop I evidently do
< 1353917425 52602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#0060ff =/= #0040ff
< 1353917437 578623 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sprunge is from my desktop
< 1353917443 184304 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured it'd be more up-to-date
< 1353917457 897233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help. :(
< 1353917488 617583 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be due to better visibility with redshift or something
< 1353917523 234640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel betrayed, man.
< 1353917530 740087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: You move around so fast that's an issue?!
< 1353917541 646855 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite
< 1353917544 545214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was thinking the same.
< 1353917546 100631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im-pressive.
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< 1353917678 587510 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually http://jonls.dk/redshift/ )
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< 1353918055 847594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any documentation for the urxvt perl buttons
< 1353918063 150050 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1353918064 421987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl extensions
< 1353918107 852518 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man urxvtperl
< 1353918237 671950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't document underlineURLs :(
< 1353918315 772454 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's a red herring option that actually does nothing
< 1353918321 199081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm
< 1353918323 570765 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I want no underlining!
< 1353918347 559730 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So don't set it?
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< 1353918359 730902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it's a red herring then it'll be on by default
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< 1353918368 974776 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's part of mark-yank-urls, it seems
< 1353918377 971236 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my $underlineURLs = $term->x_resource ('underlineURLs') || 'false';
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< 1353918383 497443 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.151.133.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo I got alt working
< 1353918392 39503 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.151.133.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by way of modifier: mod1
< 1353918396 273126 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.151.133.201 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather -mod mod1
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< 1353918450 195858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I set URxvt.underlineURLs: false but the URLs are underlined still
< 1353918539 926305 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can configure matcher's rendering with URxvt.matcher.rend.N but that's undocumented.
< 1353918587 185478 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I removed the code from mark-yank-urls and underlining seems to still happen, so I guess matcher does that nowadays.
< 1353918603 746055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this does not make me terribly happy
< 1353918611 142626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. You can google for urxvt.matcher.rend.0 to see examples on how to configure it.
< 1353918634 140948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know exactly what to write there for "no special formatting" though.
< 1353918641 534265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1353918643 926203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will just live with it
< 1353918664 675459 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, I can get rid of an on_line_update in mark-yank-urls then. I guess that's positive.
< 1353918708 413130 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That's an inaccurate away message *and* an inaccurate VERSION.
< 1353918751 383089 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inaccurate VERSIONs are a bit of security by obscurity and I think my away message is just fine.
< 1353918777 657710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you are not actually away! anyway I was trying to figure out the latest irssi version
< 1353918781 681407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's um
< 1353918784 44183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same as it was in 2010
< 1353918799 452048 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on weechat so that wouldn't've helped you anyway
< 1353918810 543535 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I reserve the right to be actually away at any moment
< 1353918817 574632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Irssi: the client of the future".
< 1353918825 406415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last news from Dec 26th, 2010.
< 1353918837 446344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: IMO you should try to sell me on weechat > irssi
< 1353918844 245905 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :making decisions is hard 'n stuff
< 1353918874 863645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should use Irssi2 instead.
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< 1353918883 230505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irssi2.org/ <- looks impressive, eh? 
< 1353918931 977045 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weechat just seems less ad hoc to me, it has hierarchical configuration settings and everything
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< 1353919058 342235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: does weechat have a nice solution to the horrendous problem of Copying Things
< 1353919070 233368 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I know of/care
< 1353919080 970520 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely Copy lots of Things
< 1353919164 211360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353919164 527968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about when there is Text
< 1353919167 447592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that you wish to Copy
< 1353919174 400192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lo it is Wrapped over a multitude of Lines
< 1353919180 193102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Copying it would produce Displeasing Whitespace
< 1353919204 148694 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There pretty much never is, especially with my window widths
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< 1353919261 837280 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When there is and I need to Copy it to some place that is particular about Displeasing Whitespace, I don't mind an intermediate Copy to a text editor
< 1353919277 625464 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Displeasing should not be capitalized
< 1353919377 529527 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you can make that Stack type I wrote yesterday an Applicative
< 1353919568 986019 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can write an instance, but does it fulfill the laws?
< 1353919807 351967 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laws fulfilled!
< 1353919954 27663 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's a Monad, though
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< 1353921556 953026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi users: is there a way to get something like "/msg foo bar" to not spawn a new query window
< 1353921559 992638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. for nickserv
< 1353921610 630387 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://irssi.org/beginner/#c1
< 1353921703 348466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah, Deewiant
< 1353921706 943234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if I would read things before asking a question
< 1353921742 328986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1353921745 168562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this does all seem like a mess
< 1353921747 126978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to try weechat
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< 1353921841 620606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, another client that does not have /{cs,ns} by default :(
< 1353921861 207157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and somehow typing into weechat is laggier than irssi... maybe I should try mosh prediction
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< 1353921888 921629 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Fiora
< 1353921920 941552 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq?
< 1353921921 164974 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bot I made for a Homestuck channel announced an update, but it seemed like a false alarm, then announced again, and the update was real
< 1353921926 765760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. weechat has literally the ugliest highlight colours ever.
< 1353921934 661764 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, forgot, sorry
< 1353921937 343709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott
< 1353921972 573737 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another update in one day?  wow
< 1353922004 446763 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353922022 388963 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, update
< 1353922038 805225 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh I would just switch back to irssi now if I could find a buffer list thing
< 1353922054 653668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"your memory"
< 1353922062 525538 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353922083 735347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliphontt never forgets
< 1353922099 17945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that
< 1353922173 96053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe http://anti.teamidiot.de/static/nei/*/Code/Irssi/adv_windowlist.pl is what I want
< 1353922195 63956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man this update is intriguing
< 1353922207 991355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys can we focus on my IRC client problems? thanks? assholes?
< 1353922211 820012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: please kick everyone
< 1353922224 482273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, you've found an awl.
< 1353922227 999525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw http://esolangs.org/wiki/Computing_crystal is somehow even more of a mess than it started out as
< 1353922233 668303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is this a thing
< 1353922255 256957 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you use it for leatherworking
< 1353922270 910107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can we focus on my problems instead?
< 1353922285 418794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1353922317 337074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeCoerce elliott :: Int
< 1353922344 660728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is the thing
< 1353922372 406805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It seems to do the same kind of thing as nicklist.pl -- it has a fifo mode and a screen-based mode. It might even work.
< 1353922403 316757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: zomg mconcat gives you mempty
< 1353922409 48787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a fifo-mode??
< 1353922411 941597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is all this fanciness
< 1353922427 997817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want a sidebar or heck even a horizontal list of all the places I am in
< 1353922428 179710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the number they are on
< 1353922435 352187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :    -F -p PRIO            for SCHED_FIFO       only as root
< 1353922444 460212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Don't run your IRC client as root!
< 1353922470 771116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The fifo mode is when you want the list thing in a whole 'nother terminal.
< 1353922492 782214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The screen mode is when it hackitudes it inside the same terminal, it's also a kludge.
< 1353922524 887900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK but... can't it just show on the status bar or something.
< 1353922525 33527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, I'm not asking for much here.
< 1353922597 484617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think a very long list would fit in a single line.
< 1353922608 475174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is it just me or should mconcat :: Tree a -> a?
< 1353922622 407949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"who needs associativity"
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< 1353922658 310355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not in that many channels, man.
< 1353922671 530944 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 and I don't even care about most of them. Plus like five queries I care about sometimes.
< 1353922767 685165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the "screen mode" might work for you, even if it is based on just talking control codes directly, since irssi doesn't provide real windows split that way.
< 1353922892 892336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with screenshots like e.g. http://www.die-welt.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/irssi-awl.png where you can see a bunch of windows listed horizontally then
< 1353922941 373786 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh queries ima query elliott lol :DD
< 1353922986 124039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a sidebar. But I suppose you can have multi-line statusbars like that, that probably works.
< 1353923006 466408 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just queried elliott :D
< 1353923066 93548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well yes if I say "horizontal" that probably implies not a status bar...
< 1353923167 752209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could go with one of them scripts. I didn't know awl did it that way, I thought it faked a sidebar since the code looked so crumminy.
< 1353923206 958913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm a bit worried by "one of them scripts". are you saying there are multiple versions of this monstrosity
< 1353923224 180105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's chanact and AWL, probably others too.
< 1353923287 60985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i like how alt+a cycles back to the channel i was originally on if i press it enough
< 1353923306 697023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is in weechat but i presume irssi behaves the smae
< 1353923308 506999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*same
< 1353923326 547789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and wlstat.
< 1353923342 977636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh this chanact thing looks complicated
< 1353923354 746425 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why cna't this be simple ???? help me fizzie
< 1353923360 597440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both wlstat and AWL are I think derivatives of chanact.
< 1353923396 435097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: (
< 1353923399 420168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i do bold in weechat
< 1353923401 464477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i do bold in irssi
< 1353923407 315558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^B isn't working!!!
< 1353923410 327110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And irssi's alt-a stops moving if there are no windows with activity.
< 1353923416 680085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^B works for me.
< 1353923446 949913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about when I'm done with the activity and want to see the channel I was idling on again
< 1353923467 516113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just doesn't go anywhere.
< 1353923471 974707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a sad.
< 1353923486 144366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not good !!!!
< 1353923488 780947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll stick with weechat
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< 1353923926 401261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1353924009 891759 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q
< 1353924011 272181 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1353924024 805743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q2
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< 1353924817 269600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: do you happen to know what determines the ordering of bars i.e. why status comes before input (comes before buffer, in my configuration) even though they all just have position = bottom
< 1353926218 507028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irssi or weewee? 
< 1353926234 174483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, Nintendo WiiChat
< 1353926240 937329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :todo: come up with better dumb names for weechat
< 1353926278 84117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irssi has a numeric "position" in addition to bottom/top "placement".
< 1353926285 351821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know about the other.
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< 1353927295 767545 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: (FSVO.)
< 1353927319 902888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Classique Cross-Channel Talk
< 1353927350 433705 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^Cble bolde
< 1353927373 142381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q
< 1353927378 620513 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: weechat.bar.*.priority?
< 1353927382 272206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is so much worse than ^B. WeeChat sucks.
< 1353927386 666945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I tried that but it didn't seem to do anything?
< 1353927393 177625 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno then.
< 1353927419 583731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I lie.
< 1353927453 556794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^B = the best?
< 1353927463 728392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q
< 1353927467 584235 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q
< 1353927468 220207 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: weechat.bar.status.items?
< 1353927471 577095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1353927479 608106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It wasn't that but I got it working.
< 1353927493 80027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1353927494 969497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am still a bit suspicious of all this. irssi seems more... trustworthy, somehow.
< 1353927496 309391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1353927506 960114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "i tried weechat but i h8d it"
< 1353927520 926710 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I recommend the iset script for configuring things, by the way; makes it easy to browse 
< 1353927581 59351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: OK, I need to figure out how to convey the horror and disgust I feel for the idea of installing a plugin to make configuring the software I'm installing the plugin for easier.
< 1353927591 841663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can never do that.
< 1353927624 704671 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if Urbanoids is under any particular license, or if the code is sort of available only to be looked at and not to be used
< 1353927650 753458 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I installed 'configuration mania' for firefox about 10 years ago so I'm used to that kind of thing.
< 1353927710 59193 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :setSomeProperties(1,3,6);
< 1353927720 695277 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... very "clear" code
< 1353927728 467823 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.javaonthebrain.com/java/noids/noids.java
< 1353927822 835749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :int i,j,k,l,m,n,o,p,q,di,dj,dk,dl,ai,mi,mj,counter=0,gameState=0,nextState=0,seed=1; /* yet it starts so well! */
< 1353927858 794405 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me of a typical robocode bot / sudoku solver
< 1353927891 529985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are all class members, even though the one-letter ones seem to be used mostly as loop indices and the like.
< 1353927904 278040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's so that one doesn't have to keep declaring them over and over again.
< 1353927905 943931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: help
< 1353927913 129552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did you turn into value-level edwardk?
< 1353927964 730146 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always loved JavaOnTheBrain, never figured I'd be mocking his code.
< 1353927966 496503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'll let you know that n-=16; i*=2; o=m; m+=i; so there.
< 1353928028 234589 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game is still as fun as it always has been
< 1353928045 828391 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely imagines making a level editor
< 1353928174 30411 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not the faintest guess as to what droidTX droidTY droidBX and droidBY are
< 1353928205 253811 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :droid{top,bottom}{x,y}
< 1353928224 578029 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Droids have tops and bottoms?
< 1353928234 202438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dr. Oidby
< 1353928312 663666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: It does seem like a box for it.
< 1353928335 531112 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Weird, because they're pretty much all the same size, I think
< 1353928347 98433 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in all levels that I've seen, all droids are the same size
< 1353928360 236735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Given that if (((l==1)&&(objY[i]<=objPar2[i]))||((l==2)&&(objY[i]>=objPar4[i]))||((l==3)&&(objX[i]<=objPar1[i]))||((l==4)&&(objX[i]>=objPar3[i]))) test -- since, you know, droidTX/TY/BX/BY are the objPar1..4 for droids.
< 1353928364 227210 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :droidTX[i][j]=24*infile.read()+94; droidTY[i][j]=24*infile.read()+94; droidBX[i][j]=24*infile.read()+94; droidBY[i][j]=24*infile.read()+94;
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< 1353928411 858958 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not the faintest idea what tempback is for
< 1353928412 921427 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353928464 968799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A temporary buffer for a background? 
< 1353928488 463247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's size is related to width times height of something, at least.
< 1353928522 424092 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And values from it are used to calculate values of map[i][j]
< 1353928577 614505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That "(256+tempback[o])&255" is the best, though.
< 1353928602 411689 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :n=((256+tempback[o])&255)+256*((256+tempback[o+1])&255); n=(n>>p)&127; map[i][j++]=n;  in full.
< 1353928628 857950 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or n=100+((n>>p)&31); instead of the second statement there, if i != 0.
< 1353928645 331078 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think i is the level number
< 1353928656 730892 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, each map is divided into level
< 1353928658 274685 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :levels
< 1353928663 410533 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The surface, then sewers, etc.
< 1353928665 913257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the number of a "layer".
< 1353928688 736413 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Zombies are one of the scary monsters that inhabit Minecraft worlds"
< 1353928690 605414 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so that's what they're called
< 1353928693 440486 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC News website
< 1353928727 410952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the (256+x)&255 is some kind of a superstitious thing to make negative values of x positive.
< 1353928753 985303 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to be fun to write code to actually output this file format
< 1353928773 678437 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Input is .. I could just sort of copy this code, translate it almost blindly
< 1353928834 968884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"j=8191; // Weird"
< 1353928839 567220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code makes me smily.
< 1353928849 793746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: why is the BBC News website talking about minecraft
< 1353928864 250071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sure, it's just a label for the sound effect, but still.)
< 1353928899 288924 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, who knows
< 1353928915 361921 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also talk about gangnam style and floods affecting the north of England
< 1353928917 104970 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: To further infringe on your sensibilities, I recommend the script for installing scripts, weeget.
< 1353929088 373744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But how do you install that script! 
< 1353929099 506574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a script specifically for installing weeget? 
< 1353929125 308429 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you need to do it manually, otherwise you're just adding extra steps to the whole process.
< 1353929177 91310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, irssi's tips page recommends /alias commands that update irssi scripts via rsync.
< 1353929228 242084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either one that does a full rsync into ~/.irssi/scripts/official/ or another that just does rsync --existing into ~/.irssi/scripts/ if you don't want all of them.
< 1353929234 872507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost like having a script-management script.
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< 1353929300 809573 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reiterate my stance that weechat seems less ad hoc overall.
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< 1353929664 298753 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's storing entrance and exit positions as a single number?
< 1353929664 512828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reiterate my stance that the name is stupider.
< 1353929810 434027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: I think it's just that exit from one layer is an entrance to another. It does read two pairs of coordinates for each exit; the exitPos and the exitToPos.
< 1353929828 488450 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately I'm happy with programs with names like "urxvt", "git", "ssh", "zip", and whatnot, so I'm not particularly bothered by names.
< 1353929844 851307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The entrancePos on layer layerParent[i] is the exitToPos on layer i.
< 1353929853 477828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those names aren't stupid.
< 1353929867 116312 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm saying the Pos itself is one number rather than 2
< 1353929894 397696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Oh. Well, sure, why not? 
< 1353929897 972077 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think...
< 1353929911 845501 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "git" /means/ "stupid".
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< 1353929921 920440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But it /isn't/ stupid.
< 1353929923 860178 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"git" does not mean "stupid".
< 1353929931 497500 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get off my lawn.
< 1353929969 200964 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :git - the stupid content tracker
< 1353929991 309856 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there are some limitations as to what is in an allowable level so that this makes sense, but don't quite see them
< 1353930052 897390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what is your problem with the positions. It's just y*w+x, it's even decomposed back with newPos%mapW and newPos/mapW to go into objX and objY.
< 1353930062 772202 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :						objX[0]=24*(newPos%mapW)-2;
< 1353930062 950905 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :						objY[0]=24*(newPos/mapW)-2;
< 1353930115 473851 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you noted that
< 1353930160 498123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That doesn't make "git" mean "stupid".
< 1353930191 586121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. rotter, dirty dog, rat, skunk, stinker, stinkpot, bum, puke, crumb, lowlife, scum bag, so-and-so, git -- (a person who is deemed to be despicable or contemptible; "only a rotter would do that"; "kill the rat"; "throw the bum out"; "you cowardly little pukes!"; "the British call a contemptible person a `git'")
< 1353930192 336862 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's intended as meaning "stupid", and it's often used to mean "stupid".
< 1353930197 54998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are some nice words there.
< 1353930201 211991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You so-and-so.
< 1353930206 233751 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cite the infallible wiktionary!
< 1353930213 553939 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2. (UK, slang, pejorative) A silly, incompetent, stupid, annoying or childish person. 
< 1353930224 693284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard someone say "git" with just the connotation of "stupid" and, I mean, it's our word; sure, that is one of its connotations, but it has many others besides.
< 1353930237 353573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that has a "2." in front of it and a bunch of other adjectives in the same sentence, come on.
< 1353930256 886957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYWAY the solution is clearly to destroy git.
< 1353930321 874309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: Incidentally, I wouldn't go ahead and write  exitPos[i][j]=infile.read()+4+(layerW[i]+8)*(infile.read()+4);  even though Java does guarantee left-to-right.
< 1353930347 705683 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would. Although I wouldn't write that for other reasons.
< 1353930354 952224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is recommended that code not rely crucially on this specification." (JLS)
< 1353930395 146569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, where "this specification" refers only to the details of the evaluation order.
< 1353930412 781436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think they disrecommend relying on the whole of the Java Language Specification.
< 1353930419 758400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the more liberal interpretation.
< 1353930423 575233 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me too.
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< 1353930480 324189 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't entirely understand why it forces the first 40 droids to be of type 0
< 1353930513 572098 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, why not do just what the map says, and if the map says the first 40 are 0, that's it
< 1353930522 46759 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than enforcing it in code
< 1353930581 915485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You like writing benchmarks, right?
< 1353930619 463317 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing gives me more pleasure.
< 1353930668 735341 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: It doesn't seem to me like it would do that. It just sets the types of those to zero that weren't in the map.
< 1353930702 196525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: j's still at k (number of droips) after the drop-reading loop, after all; it's just from k .. 39 that get set to 0.
< 1353930750 698134 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1353930752 581457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, it's just initializing the leftover elements of droidType to 0. (Sure, they'd be zero anyway.)
< 1353931388 571164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: How do I, like, enable IRC logs?
< 1353931394 670175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does "the Whee" do them by default.
< 1353931405 432181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I sort of skimmed the manual!!)
< 1353931414 399569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You! A manual! 
< 1353931446 952836 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.weechat.org/files/doc/stable/weechat_user.en.html#logger_plugin
< 1353931617 497659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I saw that but it looked complicated. :(
< 1353931718 30960 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In short I think it's done by default
< 1353931724 919444 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you probably want to set logger.file.path and logger.file.mask
< 1353931929 3293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"%h/logs/".
< 1353931932 228671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder where that is.
< 1353931940 772771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that just ~/logs?
< 1353932080 627002 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the weechat directory IIRC, ~/.weechat/logs or something
< 1353932094 320082 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :logger.file.path
< 1353932096 683898 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :    description: path for WeeChat log files; "%h" at beginning of string is replaced by WeeChat home ("~/.weechat" by default); date specifiers are permitted (see man strftime)
< 1353932111 155459 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Source: what I linked to you 11 minutes ago)
< 1353932248 993510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, you read that?
< 1353932288 702703 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grepped it for %h.
< 1353932322 327504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is cheating.
< 1353932340 503609 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you'd told me that it was in logger.file.path I might've just scrolled down to that.
< 1353932447 178914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is *definitely* cheating.
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< 1353936902 973300 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh
< 1353936913 149471 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently I qualified for the second round of the maths challenge
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< 1353937000 700194 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that?
< 1353937008 622361 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A maths competition
< 1353937018 114136 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mathcomp.leeds.ac.uk/individual-competitions/senior-kangaroo/
< 1353937108 508318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you for mentioning the maths challenge
< 1353937123 529328 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even not getting into cambridge wasn't as painful
< 1353937127 267856 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You sound somewhat bitter
< 1353937151 599297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a maths challenge?
< 1353937165 700458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it like a math challenge?
< 1353937173 999246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353937176 650079 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the plural form
< 1353937200 712801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between "maths challenge" and "math challenges"?
< 1353937214 258800 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :first is a single challenge with multiple maths
< 1353937217 144907 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A maths challenge is one challenge, many maths
< 1353937229 232371 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math challenges are many challenges, one math
< 1353937233 258381 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eg, subtraction
< 1353937275 512496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about maths challenges?
< 1353937278 340134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds tricky.
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< 1353937355 376430 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I presume you wouldn't do multiple maths challenges simultaneously
< 1353937365 260600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtraction, addition, multiplication
< 1353937367 21839 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :division even
< 1353937379 257803 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all these and more have featured in past maths challenges
< 1353937435 616649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maths challenge, surgeons general
< 1353937495 512009 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You could also have done /help logger.file.path.
< 1353937554 563158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What do you think of Zipper?
< 1353937554 662512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Look I was born with an inability to read any text not written for me on IRC.
< 1353937559 833731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just the way life is?????
< 1353937579 384098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You know the most annoying thing about Zipper?
< 1353937591 301046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Please be respectful of elliott's disability, Deewiant.
< 1353937615 102789 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Arguably if your client responds to /help foo, it's equivalent to that response being written for you on IRC.
< 1353937627 843451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a disability! It's a dis...read...ability.
< 1353937627 918114 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: IRC clients aren't people.
< 1353937642 946835 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The only difference is that you need to type /help foo instead of "what is ".
< 1353937651 227328 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Maybe I'm not a person! HOW WOULD YOU KNOW.
< 1353937661 856433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well I can read what you are saying so OBVIOUSLY you are?
< 1353937664 41727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Hi.
< 1353937664 668886 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://youtube.com/ fnord richard dawkins " what if you're in. cvs info: https://sourceforge.net/ fnord
< 1353937668 548079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1353937670 928466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't read that
< 1353937683 232722 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've read fungot's output in the past.
< 1353937683 895624 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: this is exactly how lisp operating systems tended to work when i burned it on a 3ghz p4?
< 1353937691 796238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys, hire me to do your Turing tests for you??
< 1353937697 951883 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I get Phantom_Hoover to retype them for me.
< 1353937701 178688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: help
< 1353937710 293133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How do I Haddockument a data type?
< 1353937712 457056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-GADT
< 1353937737 708224 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can probably find an instance where he wasn't even on-channel and yet you responded to a bot within seconds.
< 1353937819 410025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I have a psychic link.
< 1353937833 740570 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To quote you: that is cheating.
< 1353937880 906255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1353937884 85845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you win
< 1353937915 934693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :git push --force
< 1353937972 172238 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1353938047 702775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: What do you say? cs u js?
< 1353938222 365602 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ju(ra)ss(i)c
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< 1353941084 552803 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1353941094 344561 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog make-loud-noises
< 1353941134 657148 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-11-20.txt:03:21:28:  /usr/bin/make-loud-noises
< 1353941147 961769 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that?
< 1353941165 33664 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog Minks computational class proof
< 1353941166 817576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, `pastlog was my idea
< 1353941174 685485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's `log except it doesn't include today
< 1353941177 385529 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1353941182 236670 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Today I had penne. I prefer spaghetti, but penne is certainly my second favourite. I had a napoli sauce, which I enjoyed very much."
< 1353941183 463301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :among other things, this means that you won't get your own query repeated back to you
< 1353941188 631245 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that would be pastalog
< 1353941200 423017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog pasta
< 1353941202 358056 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1353941207 559325 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log this is a test
< 1353941207 989598 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-12-30.txt:23:54:46:  elliott_, I am already a sworn Pastafarian and Googlist
< 1353941217 673779 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-07-06.txt:16:23:51:  This is a test
< 1353941217 887020 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey look, pastalog again
< 1353941222 167971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun just throwing random words in it and seeing what comes out
< 1353941240 606101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog denotational
< 1353941245 684806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog delusional
< 1353941250 789215 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-10-14.txt:18:05:21:  oerjan: i want to invent "denotational arrows".  they sound like they have such lovely properties.
< 1353941253 673672 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog jarlsberg
< 1353941254 142354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if those get the same result.
< 1353941254 307798 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-03-18.txt:19:11:04:  Not very delusional, more just bitter about how GPLv3 has put people off of GPL...
< 1353941254 876563 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1353941262 75407 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-05-16.txt:19:10:25:  AnMaster: well three Stamhus (shires?), really.  actually one of them (Jarlsberg) still exists, the constitution only prohibits making new ones
< 1353941316 897389 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog cuboidal
< 1353941321 476200 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh we have that kind of rules here, too
< 1353941325 75371 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-11-23.txt:23:02:37:  fizzie, what awesome things could I put in a giant cuboidal cavern?
< 1353941326 958626 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance about building houses
< 1353941350 228224 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need the total area (house + garden) to be large enough, otherwise you're not allowed to build a house there
< 1353941367 509041 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, if there is already a house there, then you are allowed to build extensions to it
< 1353941372 465509 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1353941388 732582 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for instance, you're not allowed to destroy the house then build a larger one
< 1353941391 744583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog cromulent
< 1353941398 978910 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-05-19.txt:17:51:38:  Principal Skinner: He's embiggened that role with his cromulent performance.
< 1353941402 807783 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog crumbs
< 1353941402 880797 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're allowed to build an extension, then destroy the original part and build a larger one
< 1353941410 409595 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-02-17.txt:19:31:18:  quintopia: allegro changes my breadcrumbs before I even set them.
< 1353941414 491046 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog faraday
< 1353941419 531825 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog faraway
< 1353941423 466609 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-04-29.txt:23:56:01:  you live in a faraday cage.
< 1353941428 237525 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-01-10.txt:13:53:09:  The forthcoming "unload far-away chunks on disk" code will probably make it easy to also provide a (runtime) mode where it just forgets faraway blocks. They're always re-sent by the server for the client, anyway.
< 1353941431 611376 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog farfadet
< 1353941436 707843 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog far-fetched
< 1353941439 133487 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1353941444 295296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it bad that I originally read allegro as the game creation library, rather than the BF Joust program?
< 1353941444 687210 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-09-06.txt:11:43:04:  They all sound a bit far-fetched to me; the only one that makes sense is this "want to get online from both the phone and the computer without messing around with internet-over-phone stuff" case.
< 1353941462 886794 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway see you later
< 1353941462 959840 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I also did until you mentioned it.
< 1353941463 766889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog ffspg
< 1353941469 625546 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog ffvii
< 1353941471 867030 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-03-20.txt:22:28:57:  I imagine FFSPG could be trivially tweaked to beat it
< 1353941477 914037 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-06-03.txt:10:41:27:  I see they've also made a FFVII themed version of Potion for that game's 10-year anniversary.
< 1353941489 729493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353941495 135402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog clog
< 1353941501 932367 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog unclog
< 1353941502 592262 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2003-07-19.txt:23:42:13: -!- clog has quit (ended).
< 1353941510 197221 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007-04-21.txt:04:40:30:  I'm having trouble uncloging my tubes (it's not a truck!), I accidently clicked on the 261M file and, note to others: Firefox loads it as text
< 1353941525 595564 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog cumberpatch
< 1353941533 390983 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog unencumbered
< 1353941536 645454 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1353941540 683597 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-09-05.txt:18:19:03:  Agree or disagree: 'If [the 80386] were an unencumbered design, it would have had a 32-bit "word", but as an extension of the 8086, its "word" continued to be considered as 16 bits.'
< 1353941542 919043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog okokoko
< 1353941553 728929 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog ohno
< 1353941553 801523 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-11-27.txt:21:32:11:  okokokokokokokokoko
< 1353941555 522189 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog the same person?
< 1353941563 982667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "no output" must be atriq's
< 1353941569 992885 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1353941574 396984 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-01-04.txt:16:37:53:  Everyone with the same name is the same person!
< 1353941574 633343 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-28.txt:04:57:54:  ohno
< 1353941586 479711 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good combination
< 1353941586 755593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog birthday
< 1353941594 544739 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-11-06.txt:18:52:07:  One person showed up to my birthday party
< 1353941595 848389 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog rebirth
< 1353941603 908997 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that!
< 1353941603 982440 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-06-01.txt:20:07:42:  Taneb: you're not reallydead until all lives are gone. just set back a bit. the karma cycle ofrebirth goes on.
< 1353941607 469604 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a fun birthday
< 1353941627 726934 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353941632 214803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: was that person you?
< 1353941638 640487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it held in your absence?
< 1353941652 75431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog cucumber
< 1353941659 666477 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-07-14.txt:23:33:00:  prawns with mayo and cucumber <3
< 1353941665 400920 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog courgette
< 1353941673 666164 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-06-20.txt:22:37:34:  ais523, wtf is courgettes?
< 1353941679 412462 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog zucchini
< 1353941684 373102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog nostalgia
< 1353941687 630888 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006-08-04.txt:22:02:12:  These are the voyages ... of the starship zucchini.
< 1353941692 676993 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-01-08.txt:19:11:50: * ehird installs WinHugs for the nostalgia
< 1353941706 910468 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog nonary
< 1353941715 39879 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007-06-08.txt:04:08:30:  Nonary
< 1353941722 662046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog esoteric programming language
< 1353941731 51198 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007-05-16.txt:17:18:09: -!- lament changed the topic of #esoteric to: - the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment - map: http://www.frappr.com/esolang - forum: http://esolangs.org/forum/ - EgoBot: !help - wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/ - logs: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ or http://meme.b9.com/cdates.html?channel=esoteric - Pastebin: http://pastebin.ca/ | http://www.wolframscience.com/prizes/tm23/
< 1353941732 405295 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I was there before it started, so I didn't "turn up" per se
< 1353941737 355687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this is sort-of a competition along the lines of "what's the most obscure word that you can get to come up without remembering the line in which it was said"
< 1353941754 881937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, now /that's/ a nostalgic topic
< 1353941761 115515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I once got into a nightclub that way by mistake
< 1353941767 772491 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog nightclub
< 1353941768 935004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to watch coverage of the Guild elections
< 1353941775 474126 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-08-14.txt:17:45:37:  Phantom_Hoover: Jamie Zawinski, Netscape programmer, XEmacs (Lucid Emacs) programmer, now nightclub owner, genius.
< 1353941776 630248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog pleistocene
< 1353941783 786881 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1353941785 443053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the room I was watching it in got gradually transformed into a nightclub while I was watching
< 1353941786 517991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw.
< 1353941797 809663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and eventually people turned up there and started partying
< 1353941809 824934 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog plasticity
< 1353941817 332284 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-08-03.txt:02:23:25:  that being said - i understand that *plastic* was created because marble is hard to work with, and having something easier to shape is valuable - and ehird is talking about increasing the *plasticity* of data and how we work with it
< 1353941859 248818 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog despicable
< 1353941867 561408 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-06-26.txt:00:43:31:  The most despicable use of the netcat name is GNU's, IMO. It's an entirely different software package and they've tried to usurp the name.
< 1353941904 524153 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog slaley
< 1353941909 54791 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog slalom
< 1353941913 955576 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1353941916 219712 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-03-16.txt:19:25:14:  I managed the slalom one
< 1353941933 81231 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog molals
< 1353941941 208276 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1353941961 950277 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog toblerone
< 1353941969 501365 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog tablemanners
< 1353941970 648551 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-03-06.txt:02:21:36:  at least, milka is also chocolate, and has none of the letters in toblerone
< 1353941979 197508 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1353942097 580118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 243 seconds
< 1353942454 873814 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1353942505 992885 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
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< 1353943380 165996 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have notorious luck writing dupdog interpreters
< 1353943393 426054 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hello world program printed:
< 1353943395 19227 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hˆ
< 1353943395 145273 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :    minBound :: Int
< 1353943624 578992 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  -9223372036854775808
< 1353943630 588584 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1353943637 84756 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :763810496802036123: 3 11 73 1699 186618821953
< 1353943738 727649 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a small change, it outputs "Hel1394"
< 1353943960 968729 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe
< 1353943968 79702 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting ther
< 1353943970 549362 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e
< 1353944334 413439 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353944584 953241 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353944913 835295 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353944980 539863 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353945249 167894 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dupdog, is that the weird, weird, weird string-rewriting/self-modifying program?
< 1353945429 928491 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353945449 937662 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1353945468 373718 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was originally concieved as 2 IRC bots
< 1353945630 602187 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1353945806 308362 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1353945891 714151 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1353945908 235227 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should do that more
< 1353945925 443592 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming languages based on several distinct entities talking to each other
< 1353946027 943204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353946893 192338 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about slashes
< 1353947175 314807 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353947251 201163 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, there is no truth-machine in slashes, I have to do that now
< 1353947275 711644 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, slashes isn't "two entities"
< 1353947282 167582 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just string rewriting
< 1353947339 938906 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353947358 930667 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I see what they meant with "no obvious way to loop"
< 1353947401 886102 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it seems to be turing-complete?
< 1353947478 558629 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently
< 1353947602 418718 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my intuitive approach would be something like "if 0 just print, if 1 replace with (1 followed by (replace 1 with 1 followed by [looping]))
< 1353947611 505615 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :buuuuuut that's kind of an infinite program
< 1353947641 562485 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :disappointingly the 99 bottles of beer program is just a program that decompresses a compressed form of the 99 bottles of beer lyrics
< 1353947676 137032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ε₀ bottles of beer
< 1353947714 243507 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like 99X99Y98X98Y... preceded by "replace X with 'bottles of beer on the wall' and Y with 'bottles of beer, take one down, pass it around'"
< 1353947716 116493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.burritophile.com/editorial_review.php?rid=5&uid=3&pid=8
< 1353947726 577444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all good things must tend towards the middle" :-(
< 1353947733 803647 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually
< 1353947748 654944 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think compression algorithms do tend to involve string rewriting at the decompression stage
< 1353947777 657128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An excellent place to get a burrito, though.
< 1353947785 676389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: If you end up near that part of Mountain View, you should go there.
< 1353947818 608075 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: my point is there is no loop in it
< 1353947839 409635 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main part contains every number from 99 to 0
< 1353947857 641927 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure if you're clever enough you could do a loop
< 1353947872 934371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo /Td6WFoAAATm1rRGAgAhARwAAAAQz1jM4C4JAfJdABzgfMRvOiayBchkwCoTnRZueVwweCaCOzkpl7lW+8i2w1DOJI4QcafLbiSrQqJUu+CovkOtJdZX3ZZ6JYuAeyC0zroAqZGK5Fn1rDOTcLS50dUl1hWMsr3UEhpMMS2OjjP87tLp1XrCTIweITpDTTIrL/FEvUwiRbI9ifMnEWlHTz7F1liMTi8WuQeXUIs8pGdZxLjWHqnoFDG/d9XAqWCmL8ipbLgqX0omMB0BMFyqU4xJqMgt6TrTEpmzfygGNFJcrdQimxlupT/iKsZLcZvyqWMrBxl56g6I27P80dQXtPLxEAQRpR75WiNNcVIPnyYb0Mfu2toVW6Bgtsofl+DJX8HMImBzc0L \
< 1353947876 585100 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, apparently Oerjan can do that
< 1353947878 955730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :S1kjyzGLD4NJNPt/ogwmhWRraw5M+bCmBMhC2G4doMd9B73ZSlLiSPXrptjwzQ1yTJgQ6W+f7WyF8rib4u6XXfhthQ2UDFvKIBHHaE7vrZy96hjdwtA/YupwFDGua/Lvjb9KHSc0DbKTtOXrj7fCZ6qAAH4DH7+gFQC7/nFsNNWDLJ9kUeQ0FcU/K7Q8r4r3fclSaVMnqCtDSZewYU3XUJRbN9aGDehXmIvju63z7RGXMoqlU+OWGDkvEfOp7CLE54+6Wm3rF9FklBRlcBsYRlk0SI1ig7DdweMlBfRF2YlEAJlPNdGLQAAAAAIr9dEHUuoWSAAGOBIpcAAA+hi31scRn+wIAAAAABFla | base64 -d | unxz
< 1353947978 838964 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what should be attempted first is a slashes program that rewrites any number to a lower number
< 1353947994 793510 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless 0, then exit
< 1353948081 626880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : programming languages based on several distinct entities talking to each other
< 1353948097 359668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure this tied into a number of graph-based language ideas
< 1353948115 250663 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also pretty sure it was considered back when people still took the wire crossing problem seriously
< 1353948133 328584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did that get cut off or something?
< 1353948141 628247 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I probably wasn't born back then :)
< 1353948177 41517 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you weren't born in like the early 2000s
< 1353948185 989818 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you're even younger than monqy
< 1353948198 748689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1353948209 971811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353948221 644642 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, well
< 1353948226 217936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :base64: invalid input
< 1353948233 846723 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me restate then
< 1353948242 334774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry there's a space in the middle
< 1353948253 390996 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but I probably hadn't heard of computer science back then"
< 1353948280 436963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1353948288 948194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought base64 just skips spaces or something?
< 1353948320 198836 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353948380 491430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to tell it to.
< 1353948388 80815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i, --ignore-garbage: when decoding, ignore non-alphabet characters
< 1353948388 680986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it do with them otherwise?
< 1353948400 374839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just newlines it ignores by default?
< 1353948404 858815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just newlines, yes.
< 1353948519 443889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly it's following RFC 3548's spirit: "Implementations MUST reject the encoding if it contains characters outside the base alphabet when interpreting base encoded data, unless the specification referring to this document explicitly states otherwise.  Such specifications may, as MIME does, instead state that characters outside the base encoding alphabet should simply be ignored when ...
< 1353948525 428903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... interpreting data ("be liberal in what you accept")."
< 1353949402 135921 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1353950465 980375 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353950478 280461 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone ever used Magma?
< 1353950515 186246 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have become interested in languages that are designed around algebraic structures
< 1353950522 71521 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which supposedly Magma is=
< 1353950839 282645 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :magma as in the algebraic structure or is there also a language called magma
< 1353951685 416686 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is language called Magma
< 1353951756 56974 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magma_computer_algebra_system this?
< 1353951867 433760 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353951884 299283 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353951895 278113 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit
< 1353951906 249041 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm interested in anything that makes algebraic structures first class
< 1353951912 164207 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353951931 853006 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in Haskell I can almost do that
< 1353951946 118531 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can't encode the laws I want the type classes to follow
< 1353951952 581123 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have to document that
< 1353952006 20029 :Friendship!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor
< 1353952090 748262 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this imply Gregor is Magical?
< 1353952197 461667 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1353952408 723190 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jfischoff, have you heard of agda and coq
< 1353952717 510934 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phatom_Hoover:yes
< 1353952726 599658 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353952743 255551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen why does #pokemon have a brainfuck bot?
< 1353952747 790935 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​302 +++++++++++++++[>++++++++>+++++++>++++++++>++<<<<-]>-.>-.>+.>++.<<----.>----------.<+.<----.>>>.+++.<<<---.-.----.>.<++.>>.-.>---.<------.-------.<<+++++++++.>.>>.<.>.<+.<<----.>>-.<++++.+++++.--------.<+++.>>++.++++++++.>.<<----.>++++.<<-.>-----------------------------------.>>----------------------. [292]
< 1353952776 635046 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :… lol
< 1353952807 223874 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353952872 205294 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To lure us onto the channel
< 1353952884 927428 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously thought of joining #pokemon just to see the bot
< 1353952887 329470 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh
< 1353952895 159453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the queen arrives at my fortress, and she's a vampire
< 1353952905 78321 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you hate it when that happens!
< 1353952919 621371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: half the royal family had already settled here and i never realised
< 1353953023 716927 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, as it turns out, was 3rd in line for the throne
< 1353953036 296054 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least until he got barbequed by a forgotten beast
< 1353953091 763403 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has elliott started the succession fort yet?
< 1353953100 57299 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly
< 1353953103 58748 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just don't know
< 1353953251 246014 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353953258 862766 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1353953425 932185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Is it a brainfuck-only bot, or a bot-with-brainfuck-among-other-stuff? 
< 1353953572 257770 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is elliott anyway
< 1353953596 974981 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did he see that witch and get turned into a duck, only to find that it's hard to use computers if you're a duck?
< 1353953613 619513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He saw a which and turned to a dak.
< 1353953631 414718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hard to use computers when you're a tree.
< 1353953816 963598 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353954194 576325 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we still playing DF?
< 1353954290 592161 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1353954311 634678 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is my master craftsman still turning food into statues or whatever?
< 1353954446 987552 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353954461 512388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's kinda funny that "mplayer -speed 0.5" just resamples the audio track instead of actually slowing it down or speeding it up. Everyone has so manly voices now.
< 1353954632 277355 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1353954795 646056 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353954823 856976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc:
< 1353954824 982654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:31  thachaf
< 1353954825 61673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:31  ywbarton
< 1353954888 692645 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This has the makings of a really successful fortress
< 1353954931 74987 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magnetite and chalk
< 1353954936 616396 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: af-pre=scaletempo
< 1353955095 353081 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353955225 142659 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
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< 1353955411 896898 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1353956867 958901 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353956957 828995 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.141 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353957702 442286 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1353959033 511920 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: chalk doesn't sound like a very sturdy material to build a fortress out of
< 1353959048 563618 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm pretty sure magnetite is a pokemon
< 1353959086 490937 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortress as well?
< 1353959089 732312 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :could also be a sailor moon villain
< 1353959096 857634 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I think Foretress is the french name for a pokemon
< 1353959102 483939 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a pokémon and not a sailor moon villain
< 1353959121 98078 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually magnemite is
< 1353959125 312513 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, you can build a fortress out of soap, chalk is as realistic as it gets
< 1353959127 447389 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disregard me etc
< 1353959155 99990 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be the only one in this room to know 493 pokemon names
< 1353959179 966984 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt I know 151
< 1353959276 858681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"*** THIS PROGRAM IS DEPRECATED ***  This program is only provided for compatibility and will be removed in a future release. Please use avconv instead."  Well, now. (That was ffmpeg.)
< 1353959307 120190 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffmpeg is deprecated, oh noes
< 1353959354 223861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, where in Audacity is there a spectrogram tool? 
< 1353959373 117413 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :select an area of sound and do analyze/plot spectrum
< 1353959408 810205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a spectrogram.
< 1353959496 707924 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can a program be deprecated?
< 1353959519 315434 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :by printing an annoying deprecation message on startup
< 1353959585 878364 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it has anything else for spectrums, but I'm not sure
< 1353959668 780813 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353959694 104499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just octave instead, but it's a shame. I think even my pirated CoolEdit from Windows 3.1 days did spectrgrams.
< 1353959698 119044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and Cubic Player too.
< 1353959831 111763 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353959866 792320 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, how can http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Pure_BF/Implementation&action=raw be a valid haskell file? all the wiki stuff doesn't seem to be commented at all
< 1353959896 688326 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because all the Haskell is after >
< 1353959907 780647 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/onlinereport/literate.html
< 1353960018 714841 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok
< 1353960024 843472 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1353960047 78546 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, every line ends with ; and it uses explicit blocks everywhere, that's not like any haskell code I've ever seen
< 1353960067 458851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one person on hackage who writes code like that
< 1353960077 710987 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that person also zzo?
< 1353960079 105610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they are blind and use a screen-reader or braille tty
< 1353960084 516541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not
< 1353960096 702564 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1353960096 702758 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1353960096 702918 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1353960096 703221 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dlsvhviakmyossaq QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1353960108 194983 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: It does seem to be valid haskell somehow, but I can't run it because I don't have Control.Comonad :D
< 1353960225 16254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353960241 83673 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello oerjan
< 1353960293 614614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't any of these query-by-humming things allow just a file upload? It's always a Flash applet with a "record this" button, and those just hang whenever I try to allow microphone access.
< 1353960294 807185 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you probably just need to cabal install comonads
< 1353960328 825895 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1353960356 163533 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :earlier I thought writing a truth-machine in Slashes would be complicated because there is no way to loop
< 1353960372 913755 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I forgot that the substitution loops by default
< 1353960377 670818 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1353960379 546893 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soooo it's in fact as simple as the thue one
< 1353960392 131469 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I write a message to that girl first, then the truth-machine
< 1353960422 142007 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it's still somewhat tricky, because the interpreter eats your program you need to set up a way to duplicate the program in order to loop
< 1353960437 150303 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, is Baldur's Gate worth playing?
< 1353960445 89923 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for a program as simple as the truth-machine
< 1353960489 41146 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353960517 857838 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, wait, if the substitution's loop is used, then the program will loop forever *before* anything is printed
< 1353960521 930138 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's problematic
< 1353960563 18800 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zgpcgopgkmbdweae JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353960709 915518 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I kind of liked it.
< 1353960735 56284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Were you thinking of the Enhanced Edition or the original? 
< 1353960863 827849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly what I remember most vividly from it is YOU MUST GATHER YOUR PARTY BEFORE VENTURING FORTH.
< 1353960915 536353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cf. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93XFxKXdbqY
< 1353960946 331983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I remember some kind of a more rap adaptation.
< 1353960956 681520 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't the empire fire on r2d2 and c3pos escape pod in the beginning? is it really that expensive to pew the pewpews?
< 1353960983 456656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXOpjgYMISw is probably it.
< 1353961250 717562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: hello
< 1353961258 132923 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1353961271 280216 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the star wars wiki spends lots of text explaining what rank and names the people in that conversation have, but not what they're saying except that it was parodied by family guy
< 1353961277 254263 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was gonna ask you how the hell you were able to make a loop or something of the like in slashes
< 1353961291 630508 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in more polite terms
< 1353961304 566018 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I realized the substitution process itself was a loop
< 1353961331 561897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes, apparently Oerjan can do that
< 1353961351 505605 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that doesn't solve it completely because you can't perform output while in the process of substituting
< 1353961354 152225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :curiously i was thinking about 99bob the other day, and noticed there was one which didn't quite loop
< 1353961363 70191 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1353961372 27452 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :our spirits must be connected or something
< 1353961382 430189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yesterday, in fact
< 1353961385 310202 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except there apparently is much jetlag on the spirit subspace
< 1353961396 236940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that explains so much.
< 1353961433 343463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i already wrote a Truth-machine in Itflabtijtslwi, which is /// + input, btw
< 1353961448 698991 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I saw that
< 1353961456 331703 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks very long though
< 1353961493 191150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah, wait, if the substitution's loop is used, then the program will loop forever *before* anything is printed <-- yep
< 1353961537 690024 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do you do exactly, quine yourself?
< 1353961541 225924 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in muriel?
< 1353961697 998462 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353961744 510021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : why doesn't the empire fire on r2d2 and c3pos escape pod in the beginning? is it really that expensive to pew the pewpews? <-- http://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0683.html hth >:)
< 1353961789 768715 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link saved.
< 1353961812 665799 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353961898 46945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: yes, you quine.  see the explanation under http://esolangs.org/wiki/Slashes#Simpler_counter , although the truth-machine code is probably more streamlined.
< 1353961943 201504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i later got better at using less obtrusive characters
< 1353961965 224841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes, you quine" makes "quine" sound like an insult.
< 1353961977 700821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1353961998 286105 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: quine it, you quine
< 1353962030 189957 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The original counter loop was based on the mistaken belief that it was impossible to distinguish two copies of program code without scanning through them. But after my morning coffee http://esolangs.org/wiki/%C3%98rjan_Johansen realized that there was a simple way to distinguish them: Copy one of them again to another place."
< 1353962061 220476 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like all the "is ben parker the clone, or is it peter parker?" weird stuff from marvel
< 1353962139 518629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that link shows as a blue "I" in the orginal.
< 1353962204 255095 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sorry
< 1353962218 719555 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I had solve that copypasting problem
< 1353962227 373261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from space removal, i think that the truth-machine is fairly close to as short as you get with this method.
< 1353962268 763787 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw "I" is too short a word for a random user like me to realize it's a link
< 1353962301 608966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it was _meant_ to be almost invisible
< 1353962373 447048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have many other edits where you have to look at page history to know it was me.
< 1353962375 62403 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok
< 1353962411 794015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, i think the overwhelming majority of the Underload page is by me now
< 1353962499 661093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the /// too
< 1353962666 787521 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: Were you thinking of the Enhanced Edition or the original?  <-- actually I was looking at gog.com
< 1353962676 987535 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about the second instalment?
< 1353962709 989042 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but on gog it is called "Baldur's Gate: The Original Saga"
< 1353962754 307983 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BGII is best BG
< 1353962770 518242 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm definitely getting the enhanced edition the second it comes out
< 1353962897 27664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The second one, combined with the Throne of Baal thing, is I think perhaps the better BG, yes.
< 1353962918 152599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mhissing a h there.
< 1353962927 110305 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bhaal
< 1353962948 814247 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it went into my "missing". How curious.
< 1353963007 186806 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite
< 1353963053 330959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did the whole Tutu/EasyTutu thing once, too. That's a thing which inserts BG1 into the BG2 engine, so that you can play through the whole thing using that.
< 1353963066 829417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably the Enhanced Edition will be more... enhanced, though.
< 1353963079 837328 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the mod and fix community around the Black Isle games is awesome.
< 1353963099 772338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, in some sense it's "out" already, since they started the pre-downloads.
< 1353963110 215318 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first time I played BGII with some of the fixes and enhancements, it was like a new game.
< 1353963132 85920 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It probably helped that my computer was 10 years newer than the first time, as well
< 1353963165 810628 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: would you happen to know why input is done with "GG...GG"? I guess the G stands for 'get', but /// was kind of poetic with only slashes and backslashes, and adding letters into that kinda spoils it all for me
< 1353963174 185207 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sort of curious about the iPad version. I used a lot of shortcut keys
< 1353963317 793766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i think it was pure whimsy, the dialect was added by a user who hasn't been around much, but when i needed input for /// i just ran with it.  it has the advantage it takes single characters, at least, which gives it better input than Thue...
< 1353963336 348098 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1353963356 750232 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thue's input/output is too much computer-oriented in my opinion
< 1353963371 758244 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, thue itself is very simple and abstract
< 1353963385 218255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's main problem is it makes it impossible to avoid code injection.
< 1353963387 497181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its
< 1353963389 493627 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine myself interpreting thue with little rocks with symbols painted on it
< 1353963433 118317 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most simple way to avoid code injection I can think of it too have the input alphabet be strictly smaller than the alphabet used by the program
< 1353963480 150767 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/if too/is to
< 1353963514 859241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/$/\//
< 1353963524 659607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would work too.  another nice thing about GG is it's unlikely to happen by chance in a pure /// program, so the dialect is mostly backwards-compatible.
< 1353963574 360052 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to find a sequence of \ and / that isn't valid/can't be useful in a real program?
< 1353963675 32987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you could always manage to substitute it with something else
< 1353963744 76445 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well, I guess you can start a iftlabiswjee program with /|/GG/ and use for instance |...| as the input sequence
< 1353963773 521704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure.  as long as you don't need to print |'s that aren't from the input.
< 1353963797 768440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a general problem with any single-character abbreviations.)
< 1353963798 182487 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: *itflabtijtslwi
< 1353963826 684833 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I supposed to remember that olsner, or are you offering to make the substitution for me everytime I talk about that language?
< 1353963850 264040 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're supposed to remember it, obviously
< 1353963871 323530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: btw if you manage to make a functional looping programing you may be only the third person to do so.  (Nthern being the second.)
< 1353963876 949140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*program
< 1353963894 433489 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by functional I assume you mean that it would actually work
< 1353963899 429791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :P
< 1353963913 151160 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353963949 530209 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nthern" sounds like me
< 1353963980 661980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think he was you.  he never answered my comments, for one thing.
< 1353963990 848794 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He isn't me
< 1353964013 747389 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Taneb, Ngevd, atriq, askit0, 0taneb, taneb0, and once I was FlatFish
< 1353964030 454784 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.141 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353964037 248475 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 askit0
< 1353964039 966788 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nfxvg0
< 1353964060 475758 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"askit0" was my first online account
< 1353964067 396108 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was originally for Runescape
< 1353964077 282952 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although now it has use as my steam handle
< 1353964129 29626 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well I would go with quining, but the truth-machine in muriel was actually quite simple (though the implementation's specs kinda surprised me) and your program doesn't look to be simple at all
< 1353964195 879253 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1353964283 274038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: almost all the complexity is in the scaffolding for a general loop - the truth-machine specific parts are just four short lines
< 1353964326 726573 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the truth-machine specific parts in the muriel truth-machine were just four short characters :)
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< 1353964337 197818 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1353964805 324346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: /// has nothing corresponding to Muriel's quotify operator |, this makes quining much harder (together with the hardness of treating two equal substrings differently)
< 1353964823 207874 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353964847 817154 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what about /\//\\\//text
< 1353964868 840485 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and /\\/\\\\/text
< 1353964879 554262 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhh you can't combine them easily can you
< 1353964907 673630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are usually both non-printing infinite loops
< 1353964916 740982 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1353965010 890115 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a real-world warp drive could create some fascinating possibilities for space travel" ... oh really?
< 1353965027 6298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: shocking
< 1353965099 329765 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it has recently been made a lot less impossible (in theory anyway), from mass-of-jupiter impossible to 1600 pounds impossible
< 1353965179 713249 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see problems with all the hawking radiation
< 1353965299 690047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :warp drives have hawking radiation?
< 1353965379 5126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warp hawks.
< 1353965386 543978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They prey on things in the hyperspace.
< 1353965446 283053 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what radiation they emit, and how much of it, probably depends a lot on the implementation
< 1353965470 787032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't "implement" warp hawks, you get "eaten" by them.
< 1353965484 807994 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would be some irony in inventing warp drives within the decade but having to spend the next hundred years inventing deflector shields
< 1353965580 272106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353965619 522506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Niven's Known Space universe had humans invent the Bussard ramjet (fusion rocket  1 - (1 - 1/80000000)^30000
< 1353967001 888195 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  3.749296998998286e-4
< 1353967039 693397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's curious, (1-1/80000000)^30000 in bc -l took a whole long time to calculate.
< 1353967045 508234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, several seconds long.
< 1353967047 4170 :comex`!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :comex
< 1353967069 680074 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about every 3000th reading, everyone dies in a transporter accident and the book ends?
< 1353967111 988180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there's one transporter accident
< 1353967143 216421 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most of the things being transported were fish and birds and the like
< 1353967184 362050 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, right
< 1353967229 976424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did fish and birds die too? If something being transported is not living, will such things still break?
< 1353967241 876569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unclear but probably
< 1353967317 646838 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although knowing the culture they would probably be like "ok you saved the galaxy but you could've waited like 10 seconds and saved that poor fish"
< 1353967450 176391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much time do you have to save the galaxy?
< 1353967485 662953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than 10 seconds
< 1353967508 308415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really remember how it saved the galaxy though, it might've been more urgent
< 1353967532 764632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case you should save a fish too if you are sure you have enough time, probably.
< 1353967594 920239 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know zzo, i've always admired your decisiveness
< 1353967624 264973 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would not care about the fish
< 1353967643 927420 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would the fish care ?
< 1353967647 160856 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, if I ever live on my own, I'm gonna end up starving to death
< 1353967652 799175 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, i like your ability to make tough decisions
< 1353967658 751048 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, nah it's not that hard
< 1353967680 20007 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just live on pasta and sandwiches
< 1353967682 85199 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go to fridge and say, "Nah, don't feel like eating anything here"
< 1353967791 137222 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pinh
< 1353967791 214254 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1353967794 62330 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping
< 1353967794 304304 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong
< 1353967800 834526 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-90-30.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1353967829 128346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you like to eat a fish, then you can eat a fish instead.
< 1353968227 382146 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353968227 455420 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 QUIT :Changing host
< 1353968227 455588 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353969096 661229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to find where is the DocBook source of the Csound manual? so that I can know how to write the documentation for my plugin
< 1353969495 981458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, wow, 7-Zip can even open DLL files
< 1353969519 697320 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1353970103 704676 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's ocamllex and ocamlyacc
< 1353970134 661679 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the standard libraries for parsing and lexing cannot work on their own
< 1353970188 158939 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353970190 803148 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have expected some functions to perform pattern matching over a string (or a file) to return a buffer of tokens
< 1353970258 809489 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1353970292 980224 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I most definitely feel silly doing it on my own over and over everytime
< 1353970345 708192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/p/plv8js/wiki/PLV8
< 1353970364 123824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :write PostgreSQL stored procedures in javascript
< 1353970366 28459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every day
< 1353970380 682023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Parsec beckons you...
< 1353970393 512906 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fort news: someone engraved an image of oerjan hugging some yaks
< 1353970395 883082 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :common I'm not gonna learn Haskell
< 1353970400 219211 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be like treason
< 1353970413 935647 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adultry
< 1353970440 439996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly french...
< 1353970452 689564 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh :)
< 1353970468 682930 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no seriously I'm very surprised there's nothing more helpful in the standard library
< 1353970489 70020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone must have written a parser combinator library for ocaml by now
< 1353970507 891931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think
< 1353970519 299139 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that you mention it, I think I'm two versions late
< 1353970522 257947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone probably even ported parsec, or what can be ported
< 1353970549 44685 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, only one, actually
< 1353970585 860106 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, I'd expect those things to be part of the standard library
< 1353970606 252576 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe they thought Ocaml was about making compilers, not interpreters :)
< 1353970622 76024 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1353970675 956119 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353970807 783750 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1353972282 132064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353972283 487936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's time
< 1353972286 683566 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for operation regicide
< 1353972299 607615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: parsers are equally needed by compilers and interpreters
< 1353972341 419915 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but ocaml doesn't seem to have parsing functions part of the runtime library
< 1353972361 227004 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I haven't really looked at ocamllex and ocamlyacc
< 1353972361 538078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see, you think they think compilers should be written only by extending ocaml
< 1353972371 780540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocammllex/yacc are code generators not libraries
< 1353972374 330428 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are all right iirc
< 1353972384 245149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty old school compared to any parsing combinator library
< 1353972393 733622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a java compiler in ocaml for a class project and we used that
< 1353972477 484796 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lenovo's official email communications are so incompetent and poorly written that they are difficult to distinguish from phishing attempts
< 1353972671 295309 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1353972866 426159 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1353972867 572922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do we get another tantrum out of this?
< 1353972899 530522 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so
< 1353972961 304159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: um do they contain links to strange websites?  because other than that, a phisher could just copy a _real_ email, no?
< 1353972993 547630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but for some reason phishing and spam is usually poorly written
< 1353972994 299252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well or put in a virus, or whatever they do
< 1353973154 214482 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, i always assumed that was to avoid identification
< 1353973259 985416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear sir or marmalade
< 1353973364 610256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can download my Csound plugin source codes and binary and documentation (incomplete) by internet. It includes GEN routine to load DPCM sample played on Famicom.
< 1353973795 90819 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :RocketJSquirrel
< 1353973892 613473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also added a delta encoding command, which might be similar to what someone did before with a delta modulation VST plugin.
< 1353973961 766774 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1353974548 811969 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think you can make up something similar to the quote operator from muriel
< 1353974592 441344 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, if you use two characters operators, you can make quotes that are not infinite loop like so:
< 1353974653 316220 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erk, the line started with / and got eaten by the irc client
< 1353974661 564195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1353974679 939555 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/OP/QuotedO.P//.//Some text that contains OP
< 1353974707 413293 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately / and \ are only one-character
< 1353974717 20567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed they are.
< 1353974755 292947 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe I can work with made-up two-char operators, with the replace-them-with-/-\ thingy part of the thing that's quined
< 1353974950 692094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might work.  but now you need to consider you want to replace them only in _one_ of the quined copies...
< 1353974987 902093 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1353974993 574977 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I understand what you menat
< 1353974995 307761 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meant*
< 1353975011 29212 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weeeeeell I'm working on that
< 1353975023 710928 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I do not think that will be so much of a problem
< 1353975040 55891 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I'm not there yet)
< 1353975068 903307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps, but i doubt you end up with a simpler solution.
< 1353975069 173195 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not experienced with quining so every three seconds my brain resets and I need to re-understand how quining is done again
< 1353975111 47908 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and three seconds is not a lot to write a slashes program!!)
< 1353975128 383820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd think
< 1353975180 862595 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I'm facing ridiculous problems right now
< 1353975206 989995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha!
< 1353975233 905602 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance "if the only difference between 0 and 1 is that 1 is 1, then I need to do something like GGAGG/1/infinite looping of printing one/A"
< 1353975256 24495 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but to actually print 1 in the main loop, I need to have the symbol 1 part of the loop code"
< 1353975275 48199 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so the outermost substitution will be an infinite loop"
< 1353975297 258506 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess that's a stupid issue and I can solve it by replacing "A" with "_A_" and the first "1" by "_1_"
< 1353975410 581410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i did neither of those, anyway.
< 1353975453 886734 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also slashes is a good example of how our categories are not very "accurate"
< 1353975469 170799 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance it's categorized both as "self-modifying" and "string-rewriting"
< 1353975485 278678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it is.
< 1353975490 63627 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those two categories illustrate the same aspect of the language
< 1353975505 48827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they don't, thue is string-rewriting but not self-modifying.
< 1353975522 670142 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1353975533 455164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because thue does not identify the string with the running program.
< 1353975545 118717 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok
< 1353975852 168849 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's where I am so far http://sprunge.us/aVci
< 1353975904 395555 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is I want to quote DATA, but not what follows
< 1353975925 548924 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I think the easier way to do this is to use substitutes for / and \ in DATA
< 1353975936 379612 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then 
< 1353975937 836343 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1353975941 624568 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinking out loud
< 1353975955 724379 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is when I'm not thinking out loud for someone to hear me
< 1353975962 461804 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I begin talking to myself
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< 1353976072 284854 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now, I really understand what you meant
< 1353976078 478674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
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< 1353976164 16165 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, most / and \ need to be escaped because they're part of the /:1:/.../ thing
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< 1353976179 345126 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll do that last because it will make it unreadable
< 1353976580 174797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: rubber duck debugging!
< 1353976592 856949 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1353976596 675015 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to buy one of those
< 1353976617 506071 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though last one of those I saw had batteries inside
< 1353976829 798779 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming in slashes is fun though
< 1353976840 670226 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're basically making up your own syntax
< 1353976846 847217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353977334 253354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about programming in lisp then
< 1353977368 489250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i should know better than to say such things
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< 1353979673 912023 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it be ok if I added a section "Hello, World!" to the Pure_BF article, with the program being [.>] and the description "The following program would map a pair (world, tape) to a pair (new_world, tape), with "Hello, World!" outputted in that new_world, if the first 14 cells of the tape contained the characters 'H', 'e', 'l', 'l', 'o', ' ', 'W', 'o', 'r', 'l', d', '!', '\n', '\0'"?
< 1353979689 814470 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't decide whether that would be funny or not.
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< 1353980746 956326 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, pure bf interpreter is working
< 1353980770 141232 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though that doesn't matter cause it directly doesn't do anything
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< 1353981360 827444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea, riffing on what Arc_Koen said about languages where you have independent processors interacting:
< 1353981378 853256 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :riff on me baby oh yeah
< 1353981387 832692 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :language where you can't program any processors, only their connections
< 1353981472 619280 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly this covers a bunch of simple models such as boolean circuits, but i haven't heard of anything that uses fixed, complex units
< 1353981485 411065 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway sleep now
< 1353981487 479972 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had infinite of each type of unit and you could connect arbitrarily that would be basically equivalent to thinks like puredata, wouldn't it
< 1353981518 805179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not familiar with that
< 1353981520 249418 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1353981538 227258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of general concepts which encompass both practical and esoteric languages
< 1353981557 462342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> sleep
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< 1353983363 321906 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, Fiora 
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< 1353985932 109442 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor
< 1353986279 680529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played Dungeons&Dragons game today. They said it was "genius" for me to put a gold coin down while invisible and while in the area between the door and the portcullis.
< 1353987968 810348 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what purpose?
< 1353988006 821433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To get past!
< 1353988113 63095 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Gateship. It's a ship. It goes through the gate!
< 1353988253 243730 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did the gold coin help?
< 1353988343 109781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that they can open the portcullis.
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< 1353989364 472388 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does gold coin let the portcullis open? was there someone on the other side with a coin-operated portcullis machine?
< 1353989371 197688 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353989374 9626 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1353989379 43345 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they open it because they want the coin
< 1353989453 511419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they want to pick up the money
< 1353989475 122916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They didn't think about how it got there.
< 1353989765 44946 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure why I enjoy http://www.reddit.com/r/westwoods/ but I do
< 1353990766 92563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that is genius
< 1353990775 132499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: O, OK.
< 1353990783 297138 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you can murder them and get your coin back
< 1353990790 871059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's win win
< 1353990798 583833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need the coin back.
< 1353990829 802028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if I ever do end up to need to kill them, and they did not yet spend it, I will get it back.
< 1353991017 673049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the purchasing power of one gold coin
< 1353991041 982218 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much
< 1353991074 823991 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 1 USD
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< 1353992052 494699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's not worth a murder beef
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< 1353992749 596785 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it is, I do not need it back.
< 1353992757 248587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regardless of what it is worth.
< 1353994497 784227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also playing Bland Chess against my brother today, and I managed to win, and it was pictorial checkmate too.
< 1353994540 504276 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pictoral?
< 1353994543 908895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He then said that it should be a double win if you manage to win with pictorial checkmate.)
< 1353994562 270599 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: "Pictorial checkmate" means a position that would be checkmate in FIDE.
< 1353994573 848392 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1353994592 26042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although in this case it is checkmate in both Bland Chess and in FIDE chess.
< 1353994756 373822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Bland Chess, the bishop is worth less than a pawn.
< 1353995005 594150 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bland chess?
< 1353995166 908779 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is actually a game he invented many years ago, but without playing the game; he just said it once while waiting at a restaurant. The rules are that no diagonal moves are allowed (although knights still move as normal).
< 1353995182 559331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a description:  http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSblandchess
< 1353995261 108006 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, ... yeah, was about to ask about bishop
< 1353995278 826471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bishops do not move at all in this game.
< 1353995287 254158 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there even any use to them? If you removed the bishops, how often would the game be affected
< 1353995299 141624 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. how often do the bishops block stuff from occuring
< 1353995302 260598 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would have more opportunities to castle.
< 1353995332 458218 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what about berolina pawns in sharp chess?
< 1353995347 280425 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with sharp chess?
< 1353995358 12100 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, because pawns can't move forward?
< 1353995388 537545 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353995390 612767 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Well, if it is played with berolina pawns it might work, but I still think it wouldn't work as well.
< 1353995436 580342 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1353995444 93339 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :every piece except the knight would be color-locked
< 1353995458 614849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1353995489 449974 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a berolina pawn?
< 1353995517 49300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-capturing diagonal, capture orthogonal.
< 1353995552 143747 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: did you compose the problem?
< 1353995576 485019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes, although I may have made some mistakes.
< 1353995578 504692 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not believe that you correctly indicated which side of the board is which
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< 1353995597 669830 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1353995598 350861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I did.
< 1353995601 641365 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bishop could be promoted
< 1353995608 342556 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1353995612 939992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pawn on f7 is about to promote.
< 1353995620 857332 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353995623 91528 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you got it right
< 1353995627 165118 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case the position is impossible
< 1353995642 473239 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the bishop on c8 must be the result of a promotion
< 1353995650 435191 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are right, it is impossible; but I don't worry about that.
< 1353995651 119156 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would mean that the pawns on the c-file exchanged places
< 1353995662 709144 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is generally considered to be a flaw in a chess problem
< 1353995684 474059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that. However, I don't care.
< 1353995708 152403 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1353995717 759462 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this game is a stalemate
< 1353995725 480126 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1353995739 410 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I believe lowercase can force a stalement
< 1353995742 540252 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stalemate
< 1353995766 254776 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uppercase must promote on his turn
< 1353995873 137656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is probably broken; I should delete it.
< 1353995891 311836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it seems no move will help.
< 1353995897 111710 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of his choice (a knight is ideal since it can deliver checkmate), 1 ... Ra8+ 2. Kxa8 Rxa6 3. Kb8 Ra8+ 4. Kxa8 1/2-1/2
< 1353995969 748893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although like I said nothing will help. But yes I did see that after I wrote the problem, which is why I say I should remove it.
< 1353996012 202975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I removed it. However, for historical reasons it is still available as a HTML comment.
< 1353996026 972718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you select "edit the contents" it will be visible.)
< 1353996194 253302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of my other variants are also partially from my brother, although most are my own.
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< 1353996623 24753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Chess with checkers added" is a variant where me and my brother both invented *simultaneously*.
< 1353996687 386037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As it turned out I resigned that game.)
< 1353996744 115972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does your brother ever come to #esoteric?
< 1353996820 925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
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< 1353997096 882052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also made the shogi variant named after Gebstadter's book.
< 1353997515 603549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know Xiangqi, what is your opinion of my comment? http://www.chessvariants.org/index/listcomments.php?subjectid=54f10fbe70f3f580
< 1353997750 805810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend making up symmetric versions of some of the asymmetric chess variants which some people have invented.
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< 1353999776 182556 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay: http://www.osnews.com/comments/26560
< 1353999853 196110 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite linux distro is not dead
< 1353999887 63492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That is not dead which can eternal lie."
< 1353999965 231150 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1354000681 766427 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they still seem use linux 2.4....
< 1354001558 491176 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I use ritz + swank.  But the java process uses more and more memory.  Does anyone know why?
< 1354001562 697266 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : the memory allocation strategy of java can be described in 3 words.
< 1354001562 770380 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : nom nom nom.
< 1354001847 785988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IonMonkey is a new JIT for SpiderMonkey --" how many monkeys have they got at Mozilla Labs? Sometimes it seems every version has a new monkey.
< 1354001956 938037 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :spidermonkey, jägermonkey, tracemonkey and ionsmonkey are the ones I can remember
< 1354001963 56660 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ionsmonkey
< 1354001971 512336 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ionmonkey
< 1354002064 231789 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla is a zoo. They also have foxes and birds
< 1354002098 777169 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SeaMonkey
< 1354002182 287106 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget giant dinosauruses
< 1354002192 848294 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that is what it looks like
< 1354002201 722581 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :..idgi
< 1354002205 482726 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one's that
< 1354002221 358719 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mozilla
< 1354002247 893254 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp.
< 1354002263 128738 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/firesomething/   I wish this addon was still updated
< 1354002281 440911 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahah
< 1354002290 486964 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla Labs really needs to acquire the Blender Foundation.
< 1354002470 168143 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1354002529 689676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember this easter gegg? http://256.com/gray/docs/netscape/mozilla/images.html
< 1354002605 618513 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No :(
< 1354002651 382169 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was a kid, my dad did not want me to use Netscape, because apparently he heard something about it being insecure
< 1354002718 396590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That particular one was I think only in the Unix version.
< 1354003395 476547 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
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< 1354003987 34302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Mozilla need to acquire Blender Foundation?
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< 1354005126 862012 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, Blender includes among its "primitives" a monkey's head.
< 1354005163 964398 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://feeblemind.org/blog/images/atelier-improbable/smoothing/suzanne-wire-solid-subsurf2.png
< 1354005191 163181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't make a lot of sense to me to include such things among its "primitives". It should be stored in a separate library, perhaps.
< 1354005248 258669 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a sort of easter egg. I'm not sure.
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< 1354005332 648496 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.luxrender.net/forum/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=1162
< 1354005340 618088 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.luxrender.net/forum/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=14637
< 1354005426 623977 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.luxrender.net/forum/gallery2.php?g2_itemId=12132
< 1354006554 767807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not entirely useless to have a "primitive" that's somewhat complex, for the purposes of e.g. the material previewer, or for quick tests.
< 1354006567 704596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blender has the monkey, OpenGL has the teapot.
< 1354007273 117203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354007320 220218 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I agree they should have such things, monkey, teapot, etc, but should be on a separate file (although included file).
< 1354007520 541172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And probably should have more than just one available, perhaps three or four different shapes which you can use.
< 1354007530 63937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not too much.
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< 1354009006 203197 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help instead of criticising my teammates like I'm supposed to be doing I'm reading Reddit
< 1354009031 422196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a university thing
< 1354009072 31803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Famicompo Mini vol.9 result is now available. Someone wrote about my file "lol @ stealth mario cover" yes they are correct, I wondered if anyone would notice.
< 1354009103 378452 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, by criticise I mean peer evaluations
< 1354009281 623277 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just be like 'your work is terrible you have made poor life choices'
< 1354009288 517985 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make loads of freinds
< 1354009420 630045 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I and the Project Manager of our group are the only ones actually doing work.
< 1354009451 481457 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I can't help wonder if I'm biased in that assessment because he was a classmate in a previous semester
< 1354009455 658859 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're not, you're reading reddit
< 1354009469 754609 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the project
< 1354009483 970180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"computer modelling of manure shovels"?
< 1354009507 728347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"population dynamics of tractors"?
< 1354009508 966106 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a website intended for use on phones, does map stuff
< 1354009517 705016 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I get the joke. I am a bit slow today.
< 1354009517 783952 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1354009566 180910 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I think that my thinking is a bit "glacial". Powerful, but incredibly SLOW.
< 1354009590 915815 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess I don't have an objective assessment of how good/bad my thinking is
< 1354009611 423202 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :careful now, you've veering into itidus territory here
< 1354009637 839133 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep
< 1354009663 282571 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next thing you know you'll be making instant coffee
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< 1354009759 701022 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wtfs a bit at LibreOffice
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< 1354010190 979387 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to do evaluations tomorrow at school when I have access to MS Word
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< 1354010845 170882 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome lufu
< 1354010856 805999 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lufu: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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< 1354011653 918909 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, Fiora 
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< 1354012567 343510 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about Fiora 
< 1354012888 445996 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Sometimes I think that my thinking is a bit "glacial". Powerful, but incredibly SLOW." i used to think that, still do except to "powerful" part.
< 1354012898 437741 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the
< 1354013112 792724 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok you can't hide from your insecurities by constantly announcing them loudly
< 1354013120 256575 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i can
< 1354013505 313335 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354013581 408254 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, there was an update
< 1354013656 674174 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw!
< 1354013662 80664 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my phone has gone insane
< 1354013769 284526 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking forward to Act6 Act 5
< 1354014047 20399 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it go berserk, melancholy or stark raving mad
< 1354014089 726579 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Melancholy
< 1354014206 416743 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1354014210 119302 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could've been worse
< 1354015113 887806 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True
< 1354015124 362348 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that phone was a legendary brewer
< 1354015747 344863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1354015755 654038 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for operation regicide II
< 1354015950 765201 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, or it would be if i hadn't been an idiot and hooked the levers up wrong
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< 1354016367 848316 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 0x10c ARG is getting creepy
< 1354016371 432030 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As all ARGs do
< 1354017212 636202 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, notch doing an ARG
< 1354017264 937359 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Themed around time and space travel, apparently
< 1354017279 690554 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-175-138.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, thanks to it and me being quick, I have an 0x10c account
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< 1354018461 2582 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.<
< 1354018500 877849 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss all the 0x10c ARGs it seems
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< 1354023144 838548 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But wait—if it only takes a couple seconds to pick up a penny, but it pays back 12 seconds, then you could game the system by repeatedly dropping a penny and picking it back up ..."
< 1354023178 341369 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I felt I had to share, rather than laugh on my own behind my computer
< 1354023332 74155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
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< 1354023605 335298 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: xkcd's what-if talking about picking up pennies
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< 1354028148 32888 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Can I use mosh as a sort of faux-dtach somehow? As in, use its ability to handle dropping connections for dropping my connection for a billion hours and then reconnecting to the same mosh-server.
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< 1354030625 781807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know about dtach
< 1354030655 660528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't launch a new mosh-client and attach it to the old mosh-server
< 1354030710 213469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a shame.
< 1354030717 102281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't mosh-client save its state to disk or something?
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< 1354030996 503832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but there would be hell of security consequences
< 1354031009 839744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example you can't ever re-use a cryptographic nonce
< 1354031014 848647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :loading an old state file would be fatal
< 1354031082 623662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i leave a mosh session open from each of my machines and then attach to screen within whichever one i'm currently using
< 1354031110 643259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would use screen multi-attach but it doesn't handle different terminal sizes very well (nor is it clear that there even exists a solution there)
< 1354031111 128097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What's the difference between mosh-client getting disconnected for 8 hours and then reconnecting, and mosh-client saving its state, not being run for 8 hours, and then loading that state?
< 1354031163 858939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difference is that it's much easier for a program to load a stale file from disk than for a program in memory to somehow jump back in time and use an old value of some variable
< 1354031185 783976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a counter that you must increment on every packet sent, for the security of the block cipher mode
< 1354031197 454008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use the same value more than once with the same key, you lose
< 1354031221 111267 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the problem is that you could resume it twice?
< 1354031231 742300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1354031242 795430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just end up with two state files somehow and pick the wrong one
< 1354031256 393766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could build safeguards against this, but that's more stuff that we can screw up
< 1354031265 26572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :first rule of mosh is to keep the security story very simple
< 1354031267 151721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I heard keithw wanted to do public key things with a dedicated moshd.
< 1354031277 912410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... i don't think he really wants to
< 1354031289 694067 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a serious departure from the existing design principles, anyway
< 1354031672 111749 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-166-52.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354032871 130547 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1354032886 401763 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354033367 206973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why does mosh not do prediction by default?
< 1354033368 921960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or does it. I forget.
< 1354033460 432802 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does.
< 1354033480 563409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does, as long as your lag exceeds a certain amount
< 1354033514 627576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with low latency, the prediction is basically just visual glitching and isn't actually useful
< 1354033536 385645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can enable that anyway with --predict=always
< 1354033575 990027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you want really aggressive prediction you can use --predict=experimental
< 1354033611 562892 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-166-52.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you start the fortress yet?
< 1354033619 923106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: No. Should I?
< 1354033635 198797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that disables the usual heuristic where mosh will only display predictions if a prediction has been confirmed correct since the last newline or other control character
< 1354033635 784393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: My lag is just enough that typing sometimes feels a little wonky. :(
< 1354033644 238569 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-166-52.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1354033644 735769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's still really tiny though.)
< 1354033646 229253 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so --predict=experimental will e.g. predictively echo your password
< 1354033653 608402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew.
< 1354033664 872706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also will predictively echo vim commands into your document
< 1354033668 711574 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew.
< 1354033722 971255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How is that a good thing?)
< 1354033731 465128 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t think anyone said it’s a good thing.
< 1354033772 391286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only a bad thing if you're ashamed of your password.
< 1354033779 833897 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, someone must.
< 1354033782 186495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has nothing to hide.
< 1354033784 228691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it is called "experimental".
< 1354034152 343060 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.141 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354034489 464839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well plenty of people asked for this feature
< 1354034518 84002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your connection is really laggy, waiting for that first echo confirmation is annoying
< 1354034523 685622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does limit the usefulness of prediction
< 1354034569 610885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in many use cases the echoing of stuff that you don't really want echoed is not a big deal
< 1354034591 170438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even passwords
< 1354034606 941300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time you are not going to have someone looking over your shoulder at momentarily visible characters in your password
< 1354034615 83749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always type slowly :)
< 1354034632 907533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mobile phones tend to echo the last character of the password
< 1354034805 811447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the connection is really laggy, they'll be more than momentarily visible.
< 1354034836 434973 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1354034843 840195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however maybe you only rarely type a password over mosh anyway
< 1354034862 190079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of circumstances where your connection is laggy might have very small overlap with the set of circumstances where you need to type your password
< 1354034886 426051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean obviously you should never type your password on a remote host, you should use kerberos delegation shit
< 1354034895 750300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1354035000 754352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish passwords didn't exist.
< 1354035018 566743 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1354035042 782922 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354035049 933269 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1354035899 557136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Whoa, I must be lagging a lot, stuff is starting to predict!
< 1354035940 461654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you using irssi?
< 1354035945 794024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you playing the game yet?
< 1354035959 156633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, not much of a game.)
< 1354035961 888939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm using WeeChat right now.
< 1354035967 993901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might switch to irssi because WeeChat has some annoying settings and stuff.
< 1354035971 826407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd probably work there too.
< 1354036007 81862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's "the game"?
< 1354036012 423307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll find out.
< 1354036040 596832 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could... tell me.
< 1354036253 768243 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What's the game?
< 1354036453 75662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i know
< 1354036454 474266 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354036454 547260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think
< 1354036459 713141 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1354036467 788720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i might want to not say
< 1354036469 156078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for science
< 1354036478 382151 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: OK but how about you say.
< 1354036485 338987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1354036491 149655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do hate being the jerk with a secret
< 1354036498 343900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will tell you in one hour if you do not guess by then
< 1354036522 670175 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it help if I used WeeChat yesterday, too, and hence have been using both it and mosh in combination for more than an hour already? (Uh, I assume it's related to that.)
< 1354036529 83841 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, does mosh predict text scrolling or something?
< 1354036543 922994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's getting it all wrong when my WeeChat input line gets too long and I page back through it.
< 1354036561 676733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah local scrolling doesn't work with mosh
< 1354036574 802736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the scrolling built into the remote program should work fine
< 1354036590 413598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to predict the cursor movement.
< 1354036591 916277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wait, can you even play the game in weechat?
< 1354036603 540930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should only predict left-right cursor movement
< 1354036611 370464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right.
< 1354036616 323932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only if your characters have been echoed since the last control code
< 1354036618 181389 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it predicts it wrongly, because my line scrolls when I move it.
< 1354036622 793189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1354036635 360332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeeChat seems to scroll left before you reach the left edge.
< 1354036702 363707 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1354036707 408102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: (What's the game?)
< 1354036798 799273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Works for me in WeeChat.
< 1354036800 793537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1354036809 68047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why wouldn't it?
< 1354036826 181470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the game involve mosh
< 1354036845 175204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Do you mean that the prompt is empty? It isn't once you connect to a server.)
< 1354036894 322824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354036991 328159 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the game trying to get mosh to predict that the prompt will get backspaced or something??
< 1354037021 65779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1354037027 399960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty easy
< 1354037033 196619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now shachaf and I backspace our prompts all the time
< 1354037041 103421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the cool new move that's sweeping the nation
< 1354037047 942985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I gave it away.
< 1354037052 78415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION , enemy of science
< 1354037057 338710 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354037058 103663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My server isn't laggy enough for that.
< 1354037074 515768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can usually manage it if you do it right.
< 1354037087 587914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typing a lot of "a" and holding down backspace doesn't work.
< 1354037088 740607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type several characters and then hold down backspace. Or something.
< 1354037091 938774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1354037110 415455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an 18-19 ms ping to my server.
< 1354037128 45753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfooey.
< 1354037131 168562 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's in London.)
< 1354037217 736135 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354037240 426048 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-166-52.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is doing in London.
< 1354037244 533670 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-166-52.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody lives in London
< 1354037581 588441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I can't tell whether these random underlines in single letters in the middle of words when I switch channels are mosh's or urxvt's vault.
< 1354037621 256470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Try it in SSH and/or xterm.
< 1354037626 956566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But not both.)
< 1354037646 546716 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm too lazy.
< 1354038481 517072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott have you started that fort
< 1354038496 581820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will today!!
< 1354039013 11270 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i just discovered that dfhack also incorporates a bunch of bugfixes and optimisations!
< 1354039097 296453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I like bugs and slow things.
< 1354039614 3103 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you you like things that are both
< 1354039616 161528 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like snails
< 1354039624 277101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :snails aren't bugs silly
< 1354039643 890642 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything smaller than a fist which is gross is a bug
< 1354039687 238555 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but snails are adorable :(
< 1354039708 500265 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also delicious.
< 1354039732 192086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like deer!
< 1354039784 759417 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And rabbit.
< 1354040065 487878 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354040463 618025 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-166-52.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just realised...
< 1354040472 578971 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-166-52.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to be indirectly cosplaying Lara Croft
< 1354040496 492236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you using urxvt's linkification plugin?
< 1354040546 515493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Right.
< 1354040556 451898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when mosh gets the new terminal state after window switching, it doesn't repaint the characters that haven't changed
< 1354040573 839386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and rxvt doesn't notice that the link as a whole has disappeared
< 1354040595 21094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1354040598 631491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sucks.
< 1354040604 6144 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I fix that?
< 1354040605 142133 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1354040618 102574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1354041060 613943 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354041075 172249 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-166-52.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1354041193 819859 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354041780 547141 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net NICK :atriq
< 1354041854 772221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no reply from the django-confirmation author re: sha1(str(os.urandom(12)) + str(email_address)).hexdigest()
< 1354041888 585495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't decide whether to fix it to be purely random
< 1354041940 188674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the one hand, having cargo cult code in a security-critical module is really worrying
< 1354041946 66242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand it might be best to leave well enough alone
< 1354041993 460036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i at least bumped that 12 to 20
< 1354042681 830815 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaargh
< 1354042691 415451 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"woah" only has one h
< 1354042700 672837 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care where it is, as long as there's just one
< 1354042708 359457 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whoah" is stupid
< 1354042735 274615 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hwoa
< 1354042815 123347 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, ion understands
< 1354042874 638880 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like whoah
< 1354042878 892616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are upsetting me atriq :(
< 1354042898 797717 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hwhohah
< 1354042945 432855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to
< 1354043301 488333 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hatriq
< 1354043382 741680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hatriq = hat trick
< 1354043415 96393 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the plan all along!
< 1354043417 938565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whhhhoahhhh
< 1354043487 671247 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have in my hands the power to DESTROY GOOGLE SEARCH RESULTS
< 1354043496 661076 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly
< 1354043599 794574 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woha
< 1354043718 343394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: how
< 1354043759 517852 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1354044080 890872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Isn't it great when people are wrong in #haskell. :(
< 1354044368 758581 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the powers granted to me by the NATION OF AUSTRALIA
< 1354044466 580000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354044578 367450 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354044646 223305 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mashable.com/2012/11/27/google-libel-australia/
< 1354044911 847350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a site named mashable could only publish fake, mashed-up news, right?
< 1354045210 526486 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and potatoes
< 1354045241 763447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and buttons
< 1354045969 764448 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1354045982 331047 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hara kiri - self immolation"
< 1354045989 776835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I did the game!
< 1354046041 929825 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that should be a game
< 1354046156 79538 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: *cough*
< 1354046300 400813 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354046576 16563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Can you fix mosh's prediction algorithm so I can stop playing the game?
< 1354046603 439919 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354046610 732810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could learn from the fact that it always predicts the prompt would disappear but it never does.
< 1354046669 832329 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354046737 325398 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1354047341 346033 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1354047756 396332 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1354047837 884801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen "Note that functions . and , actually modify their input world, rather than a copy." <-- that's evil!  also not pure.
< 1354047837 994195 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1354047854 497081 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: maybe I will start doing "mosh solidity ssh ...'
< 1354047856 573204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"
< 1354047858 795272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because my connection is so unreliable
< 1354048069 350130 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :matrix of?
< 1354048129 998750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: the server that hosts esolangs.org is named after that, yes
< 1354048146 561459 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1354048174 440232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of things like that, I have a comfortable-for-interactivity ping of 212 ms to selene, that prgmr thing.
< 1354048182 348124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly it's a whole 'nother continent.
< 1354048201 713850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You have a weird definition of "comfortable".
< 1354048207 610898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't stand when the pings get above 20 ms.
< 1354048254 380678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still. 212 ms * c is like 63556 kilometres. It's not *that* far.
< 1354048269 293620 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That’s almost a round number.
< 1354048281 730504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Yes, it must be MEANINGFUL of something.
< 1354048318 141208 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't like how slow light is.
< 1354048322 105268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's lufgninaem, actually.
< 1354048328 746883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1354048334 994083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, c * the furthest distance you can go on the Earth = a pretty long time!!
< 1354048335 197028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 140 µs to the place where this irssi is, that's more acceptable.
< 1354048335 860404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^16
< 1354048337 154229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  65536
< 1354048340 344549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1354048342 175642 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes Grace Hopper's nanosecond measurement
< 1354048355 700946 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a foot is about one light-nanosecond.
< 1354048360 690710 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this song name. “Baby’s First Coffin”
< 1354048373 61365 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like each time my cpu ticks light moves a couple inches
< 1354048377 880262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: For some reason I parsed it as 6-swap(55,3)-6 instead of reverse(65536). Curious.
< 1354048414 354054 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"c * the furthest distance you can go on the Earth" is a time?
< 1354048416 804344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you have any opinion on the mess that is http://esolangs.org/wiki/Computing_crystal
< 1354048426 551859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: :D
< 1354048428 720322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: let's go with... yes
< 1354048434 396218 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting!
< 1354048488 552852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i fixed the plural automata thing
< 1354048495 455766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spots another error
< 1354048497 927718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discounting shortcuts, "(circumference of earth/2) / c" says 66.8 milliseconds in W|A.
< 1354048517 719401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well i am thinking of more fundamental messes here.
< 1354048536 840364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right. so your worst-case round trip is 133.6 ms
< 1354048538 736895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awful slow!!
< 1354048596 179320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It drops to about 85 ms if you take the shortcut, but that's nothing to write home about either.
< 1354048599 822948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: four wrong apostrophes is a fundamental mess!  also is inputted an acceptable participle form?
< 1354048637 830912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, "(diameter of earth) / c" interpreted c as the root mean square charge radius of a charm quark, and output "insufficient data available".
< 1354048649 841702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's really the best interpretation.
< 1354048661 150620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's apparently allowed.
< 1354048707 786840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 85 ms is still an awful long time. :(
< 1354048709 111160 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.forbes.com/sites/brucedorminey/2012/04/30/neutrinos-to-give-high-frequency-traders-the-millisecond-edge/   sending data through the earth's core reminds me of this
< 1354048813 190076 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "diameter of earth / speed of light"?
< 1354048827 332394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you stop working on useless speech recognition and go find hyperspace
< 1354048830 875538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: Sure, that works. But it interpreted "c" as speed of light when it was circumference.
< 1354048857 20506 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hyperspace for the pings.
< 1354048857 801984 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :W|A works in mysterious ways
< 1354048865 354897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget about stars, we're more interested in our pings.
< 1354048878 659275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i suspect there will be a lot of bandwidth contention, given you cannot aim neutrinos very well and you need to send an enormous amount to catch one
< 1354048953 925582 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it sounds really really hard
< 1354048970 153008 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need a crazy huge neutrino detector and a massive neutrino beam
< 1354048997 123242 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you even aim neutrinos?  I guess you could generate them with a linear accelerator pointed down, and pulse the electromagnets to set 0s or 1s
< 1354048999 122407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... perhaps this explains why no aliens do interstellar travel, after inventing a cyberspace they cannot stand high pings back home!
< 1354049006 311646 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that'd be so few neutrinos
< 1354049010 938355 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd really want, like, a nuclear reactor, right?
< 1354049012 117337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nicely solves the fermi paradox
< 1354049013 325473 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you really can't aim that
< 1354049102 742024 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Even ping times to the moon would become unsettling.
< 1354049106 743839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i assume the recent lhc experiments aimed at least somewhat toward the italian detector
< 1354049108 650650 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And forget about Mars!
< 1354049118 882177 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but like, didn't they receive neutrinos for /days/ just to get a few?
< 1354049134 511720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a cyberspace
< 1354049134 583213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: probably
< 1354049148 378756 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: possibly some interesting crypto concerns there
< 1354049159 651468 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else could intercept your neutrinos?
< 1354049177 446248 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds hard, since they'd need an equally insanely huge detector 
< 1354049179 874585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that _was_ the term scifi used before internet became widespread, wasn't it?
< 1354049196 305030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant hyperspace
< 1354049230 700849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also turns out if you use a regular optical fiber, those have such sluggish light it's going to be like 200 ms for the full round-trip around the planet.
< 1354049259 282565 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would optical fibers work with a vaccuum on the inside?
< 1354049300 41001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I think generally you'd need to have the material with the higher refractive index on the inside. But I'm certainly no expert.
< 1354049320 300786 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.... for total internal reflection...
< 1354049324 795765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you got really reflective inner surface of the cladding, then, sure.
< 1354049356 37747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it sounds hard, since they'd need an equally insanely huge detector <-- yes but it could be hidden many kilometers away unless you can aim much better than now
< 1354049371 16276 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the refractive index is lower on the other side of the boundary"   ... hmm
< 1354049398 573443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, single-mode fiber is... kinda weird.
< 1354049404 52690 :Gresia96!~gresia96@net-93-145-185-146.cust.dsl.teletu.it JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1354049455 208007 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could encrypt your neutrino communications?  using like public key crypto or something
< 1354049473 944854 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a stream cipher 
< 1354049534 254674 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you do that thingy where you synchronize two spinny things?
< 1354049534 731683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, if I ask W|A about "distance from X to Y", the "direct travel times" table, in addition to "aircraft" and "sound", has "light in fiber" and "light in vacuum".
< 1354049542 794687 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Physics is NOT my strong point)
< 1354049573 345899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's only 41 ms from here to San Jose (where the prgmr box is, I think); or 82 ms for the round-trip. Why am I getting two hundred? I want my money back.
< 1354049575 994965 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :entanglement?
< 1354049595 539339 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly
< 1354049621 225307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: _any_ even slightly decent article about that will mention that you cannot use it to send information.  many bad ones don't, however.
< 1354049633 147841 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you can't send information with entanglement
< 1354049673 601612 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately~
< 1354049683 462241 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, that sucks
< 1354049696 667899 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unfortunately" you say, "but I like casuality" say I
< 1354049707 506003 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you do that thingy where you completely disregard all the laws of physics?
< 1354049712 892432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :casual casualties
< 1354049719 612659 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :causality
< 1354049721 986105 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelling is hard.
< 1354049727 341155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: yes. yes you could.
< 1354049731 852346 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but causality is /laaame/
< 1354049739 159726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is channeling phineas & ferb there.
< 1354049739 981230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do that thing.
< 1354049756 936042 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus skaia will just fix up the timeline right
< 1354049849 207211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: help
< 1354049856 619539 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, hopefully!
< 1354049865 744162 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which reminds me, I need to get my Jake cosplay sorted
< 1354049868 550908 :Gresia96!~gresia96@net-93-145-185-146.cust.dsl.teletu.it JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354049873 894572 :Gresia96!~gresia96@net-93-145-185-146.cust.dsl.teletu.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :!list
< 1354049881 759302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Gresia96
< 1354049890 878037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: oh but you _can_ use entanglement for agreeing on encryption keys, supposedly.  but you need to send the actual encrypted data normally.
< 1354049891 205917 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gresia96: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1354049891 940627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is not a file-sharing channel)
< 1354049893 908846 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would do either Jade or Nepeta probably
< 1354049902 30305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you want a different network)
< 1354049925 48917 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, sweet
< 1354049957 574178 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you were anywhere near here (are you anywhere near here?), you could come to meets some of my friends organize
< 1354049966 546183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what would !list do on another network?
< 1354049968 799771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help
< 1354049969 270575 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​help: General commands: !help, !info, !bf_txtgen. See also !help languages, !help userinterps. You can get help on some commands by typing !help .
< 1354049982 307367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: AIUI DCC bots use it to list files and stuff.
< 1354049988 310890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode is not very into the whole warez thing.
< 1354049990 383074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1354050009 901900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: could we put a fake one in EgoBot? :P
< 1354050021 471630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST IN CASE
< 1354050023 527398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :xdcc list
< 1354050027 62995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY NO WORK
< 1354050043 147493 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are my pirated brainfuck compilers
< 1354050054 660908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they supposed to answer with dcc always.
< 1354050063 468035 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck_WITH_CRACK.zip
< 1354050067 996483 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They answer with notice.
< 1354050074 406026 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually it's more like “services list”
< 1354050079 460513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1354050085 295945 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where those “services” are usually “gimme some filezzzzz”
< 1354050085 368575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do answer to !list with privmsg sometimes.
< 1354050095 17108 :Gresia96!~gresia96@net-93-145-185-146.cust.dsl.teletu.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :io sono italiana..e non ho ancora capito come si usa questo programma..
< 1354050113 38853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Xdccpacks.gif <- that's what it looks like when it's xdcc.
< 1354050121 30307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So nostalggik.
< 1354050130 475224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure that kind of stuff is still going on somewhere, though.
< 1354050141 884614 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rizon has a lot of xdcc.
< 1354050142 819340 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gresia96: Non ci sono file. Questo è un canale di discussione.
< 1354050148 176335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys am i using google translate right
< 1354050172 190598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: looks fine to me
< 1354050181 461295 :Gresia96!~gresia96@net-93-145-185-146.cust.dsl.teletu.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :sisi ho capito..però una mia amica mi hha speigato che con questo programma si possono scaricare dei film
< 1354050188 464721 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There'sa onlya onea waya to translateo correcti.
< 1354050212 872483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swattsa lo Gregor -----###
< 1354050248 869743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :È possibile scaricare i filmati su IRC, ma solo in alcuni canali. Non ci sono film in questo canale, o in rete "Freenode" questo canale è acceso.
< 1354050253 8083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :italian is hard
< 1354050281 756816 :Gresia96!~gresia96@net-93-145-185-146.cust.dsl.teletu.it PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok grazie mille!
< 1354050307 87139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hah i understood most of it without google >:)
< 1354050326 271861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it was about documentary films of famous canals.
< 1354050333 613987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: O KAY
< 1354050494 370810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's a fun fact that light travels much slower in fiber than in air
< 1354050502 117544 :Gresia96!~gresia96@net-93-145-185-146.cust.dsl.teletu.it QUIT :
< 1354050502 835771 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I probably wouldn't go to a meetup or anything, but it's just like something I think about while donating money to hussie's shirt fund
< 1354050508 863380 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why some high frequency finance firms are starting to use microwave links
< 1354050520 262788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we wanted to float a shiny blimp over new jersey and bounce lasers off of it
< 1354050522 337814 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is there a reason you can't make faster fiber?  like with lower-index materials
< 1354050526 923310 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, fair enough
< 1354050530 397402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know
< 1354050536 252150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm by the "italiana" Gresia96 supposedly was a girl.  in case anyone cares.
< 1354050540 398770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the index has to be high enough to support total internal reflection
< 1354050542 477942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Come on, fix the game. :(
< 1354050545 634957 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking around and couldn't find any reasons why... but it must be a good reason...
< 1354050576 153634 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean all we had to do to improve this channel's ridiculous gender imbalance was pirate some movies?!
< 1354050579 310495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there is probably a relationship between IoR and minimum bend radius
< 1354050581 141821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but don't know
< 1354050583 644992 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe materials science just isn't fancy enough yet?
< 1354050583 804602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: shocking
< 1354050596 290059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well that and learn italian
< 1354050606 252901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will ask my friend who knows optics and stuff
< 1354050611 506341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: google translate solves all
< 1354050624 270313 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, whatever happened to tiffany?
< 1354050681 991099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've always wanted to use that Twibright Ronja for something, but it'd kind of need places to point it at.
< 1354050698 579117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: did she make a brainfuck derivative
< 1354050700 450495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so I have a suspect
< 1354050716 998825 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a suspect with a tumblr?
< 1354050744 465693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a suspect with a ghostly vacuum
< 1354050759 441398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if he has a tumblr
< 1354050786 46957 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://phantom-hoover.tumblr.com/
< 1354050804 456205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy
< 1354050824 487131 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's slightly entirely written by me)
< 1354050860 358567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1354050895 805595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION somehow hasn't visited tumblr enough to know it was a blog site
< 1354050906 94922 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but it would be painfully useless if it only generated a copy of the input and output streams
< 1354050906 166729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1354050962 399594 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ocaml sounds like a bunch of C++ programmers trying to "fix" haskel
< 1354050962 555022 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also I'd have to find a way to copy a stream and I haven't
< 1354050963 658416 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :l
< 1354050985 525152 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought ocaml was older than haskell.
< 1354051000 524797 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may well be
< 1354051000 769300 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd link mine but I think it's 1% programming and 95% homestuck, magical girls, and anime
< 1354051009 448073 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Message me
< 1354051014 617800 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is exactly what I need to follow
< 1354051029 98126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the 4%? 
< 1354051033 195244 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: we shall remember that insult
< 1354051034 256267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: taking copies of lazy lists works perfectly in haskell *cough*
< 1354051039 638523 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :science and tumblr memes probably?
< 1354051059 252043 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, haskell 1.0 was '90, ocaml '96.  eh
< 1354051073 589132 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but that basically means you can't have anything inputted from stdin or outputted to stdout
< 1354051090 162241 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'd need to be able to clone the whole computer for that
< 1354051091 821823 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1354051093 395569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ocaml is based on caml, which may be older, and which was itself an ml variant...
< 1354051113 680908 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but with the c++ comment i assumed atriq meant the object stuff.  somehow
< 1354051124 942068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :caml was invented primarily for writing coq
< 1354051131 860144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they decided that sticking to Standard ML would be too limiting
< 1354051163 939747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a document about the history of ocaml but i can't be arsed to find it
< 1354051193 5773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is Arc_Koen's national duty to do so
< 1354051222 620222 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, let me get my bike and I'll ask the guys at the university
< 1354051225 862019 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway atriq is wrong, there isn't much C++ influence in ocaml and it's certainly not an attempt to 'fix' Haskell
< 1354051240 862151 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I was joking
< 1354051247 478082 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU WERE??
< 1354051252 338078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anything it's the other way, ocaml sticks much closer to this old school of algebraic static typed languages, haskell is crazy and experimental
< 1354051263 125347 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just from what I've heard, OCaml seems to have the worst parts of Haskell and the worst parts of C++
< 1354051266 571203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also nobody actually uses the OOP support in ocaml
< 1354051270 822084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you are wrong
< 1354051273 23534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: haskell has lazy I/O specifically for allowing lazy lists to come from/go to ordinary streams
< 1354051286 521602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can name lots of the worst parts of haskell that didn't make it to ocaml ;P
< 1354051291 64060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of C++
< 1354051296 956250 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fairly sure I'm wrong, having never learnt OCaml or C++
< 1354051303 942068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Speaking of girls, does the channel have any confirmed regular ones? I was wondering about this few years back, couldn't think of any, and it's kind of strange that the gender distribution is more skewed than most things I can think of.
< 1354051307 455419 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad you felt a need to weigh in on the issue
< 1354051309 140302 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what exactly is a lazy list btw? the type "list" in ocaml corresponds to lifo only
< 1354051314 547169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha "confirmed girls"
< 1354051334 398701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :being a woman on the internet is like being gay irl, people assume by default that you aren't and you have to "come out"
< 1354051341 913234 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to be wary of those genderflipping types, donchaknow
< 1354051344 129788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty sad
< 1354051376 212271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it's a list where you only evaluate as much of it as you actually use
< 1354051391 102884 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be funny if the channel turned out to have roughly the same gender ratio as the world
< 1354051407 233742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] -- this list is infinite, but gets cut off and what's not used is never evaluated
< 1354051407 388382 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yeah, I suspect there's more people that are gay or bi than there are women here.
< 1354051408 672920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28...
< 1354051413 137138 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1354051415 699096 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is... Weird.
< 1354051416 115177 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, so it's a list that's lazy
< 1354051421 793019 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's programming for you :(
< 1354051422 212514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: It'd be funny if the channel turned out to be the world.
< 1354051423 208983 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think Fiora?
< 1354051426 198120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news javascriptmvc.com
< 1354051426 353503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were a few more in the past.
< 1354051428 318301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er 
< 1354051436 537088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other news javascriptmvc.com says they will fix the language on their website in the next two weeks
< 1354051437 837656 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, I do know there's multiple gay or bi men here.
< 1354051465 14515 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm not sure that'd be so funny if there were no girls in the worl
< 1354051480 391338 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the heck is javascrtipmvc.com, and why should I care…
< 1354051482 787703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: But at least the gender ratio would be unskewed by definition.
< 1354051528 472501 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: will fix it to "our users are software rockstars and ninjas of EXACTLY ONE OF TWO GENDERS AND SEXES"?
< 1354051532 668475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just some people who advertise that their product is for "software craftsmen"
< 1354051535 485279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: yeah probably
< 1354051537 156659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :baby steps
< 1354051544 324013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: anyway I don't think it is really surprising that this channel is so skewed gender-wise
< 1354051561 654876 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it's sad that it's not surprising, so there!
< 1354051563 80677 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a tiny obscure arcane corner of the intersection of programming and IRC, both of which have terrible gender stats to start with
< 1354051569 815837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: me too
< 1354051574 191246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't make it surprising
< 1354051583 577117 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's cold and I haven't got enough clothes on
< 1354051593 448052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah she says "there is a critical angle of incidence (measured between the incoming ray and the line normal to the surface) above which total internal reflection can occur. this angle becomes larger if n_cable/n_air becomes smaller.  so if the light has to be traveling nearly parallel to the cable to avoid leakage, you can't bend it much"
< 1354051608 161332 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software craftshumans. ANTI-ALIEN BIGOTS.
< 1354051628 798410 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs
< 1354051634 621102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm not going to go after them for failing to include every possible group
< 1354051640 514065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should probably not exclude over 50% of the world population
< 1354051656 45590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just being skewed isn't surprising, but I'm still somewhat surprised about the degree of it. I mean, it doesn't really seem to be, say, the average of programming and IRC.
< 1354051657 984861 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be better to use terms that don't refer to irrelevant personal details at all
< 1354051664 222119 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if the earth's surface is nearly parallel enough.  (probably not...)
< 1354051665 431397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but baby steps
< 1354051686 660865 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well it is an obscure channel about an obscure part of programming
< 1354051690 551454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd expect some degree of amplification
< 1354051710 384221 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you would expect a higher degree of nerdy timewasters in here than your average programming IRC channel also
< 1354051732 134035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: not helpful
< 1354051781 341313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But since it's generally agreed among the world's population that this is the objectively best place (right?), that should compensate for it.
< 1354051789 514714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> nubBy (((>1).).gcd) [2..] -- ye olde infinite list of primes
< 1354051791 570478 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47,53,59,61,67,71,73,79,83,89,97,101...
< 1354051798 79632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there was that best place 2004 award
< 1354051958 973038 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ahhhh.  so you could have a cable that had a better index, but it'd be even more sensitive to bending or so forth?
< 1354051964 574000 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they decide to make some tradeoff there?
< 1354051969 79872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i guess
< 1354052010 628280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make the cable so wide the light never touches the walls.  problem solved.
< 1354052030 450603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how much it's motivated by that vs. availability of materials
< 1354052034 471666 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the universe is just a really big fiber optic cable
< 1354052062 449357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOA DUDE
< 1354052115 106008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bong hit noise
< 1354052184 266191 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe our entire reason for existence is letting a capitalist sell pieces of an imaginary money-producing business slightly faster
< 1354052191 704257 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :poetic
< 1354052202 902683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the meaning of life is fiber optic cables
< 1354052205 959212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote flip a coin
< 1354052209 805448 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :509)  game where you flip a coin but it's really really big
< 1354052214 986006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike seems to be having a bad trip
< 1354052297 109748 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :RocketJSquirrel
< 1354052325 192726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: charles stross likes that idea
< 1354052337 49963 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what if I said my implementation actually made a copy of the world AND YOU'RE BUT A COPY OF OERJAN
< 1354052337 363530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in accelerando when humans finally make contact with aliens, the aliens just want to trade dodgy financial products
< 1354052338 646963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool
< 1354052338 967026 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1354052341 991138 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that how laundry series ends?
< 1354052342 611003 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. :/
< 1354052342 922526 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that.
< 1354052344 362357 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no not charles stross
< 1354052345 153975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :backed by uploaded sentient beings
< 1354052354 794040 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I liked that, seemed pretty realistic
< 1354052356 960048 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :transhuman spam
< 1354052363 491499 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, posthuman
< 1354052377 773707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: WHOOOOOOOOOOOOA THAT WOULD EXPLAIN SO MUCH
< 1354052380 588750 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I'm beginning to come to terms with the fact that TINCSOAIFOLTUDTNN.
< 1354052401 537583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like why this world has this blue tint
< 1354052417 716638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember trying to read one of charles stross' 20-minutes-into-the-future novels
< 1354052418 430049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that one piece of scifi where there's a faster-than-light (IIRC) communications band, and it behaves really strangely, but it turns out the problem is humanity hasn't bought the proper service to access it.
< 1354052420 467766 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah copying the red part was harder, somehow
< 1354052423 234338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that, anyway.
< 1354052441 391303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gratuitous phonetic edinburgh accents were just too unbearable
< 1354052459 267425 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: was that fine structure?  i think i remember something like that
< 1354052470 61402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's how Fine Structure starts.
< 1354052471 269607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It was probably that.
< 1354052481 86037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: (except it isn't really that in the end, but)
< 1354052486 371010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, I never got too far in it.
< 1354052486 628042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wait
< 1354052491 652359 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you never got that far either
< 1354052492 747249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes I finished it.
< 1354052496 243341 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
< 1354052498 765326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's literally in the second chapter dude
< 1354052503 609319 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could've told me man!
< 1354052511 380658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean to find out that it wasn't really that
< 1354052514 288423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you kinda spoiled the payoff of the first chapter
< 1354052521 862885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually the second chapter
< 1354052524 713463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever
< 1354052532 507552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first chapter is unbelievable scenes, the mindfuck one
< 1354052555 68695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: is that an acronym to the effect of acronyms being incomprehensible?
< 1354052561 609577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i skipped the first chapter because it sounded like someone on a mxiture of acid and speed watching a music visualizer
< 1354052578 716621 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is only one computable set of axioms describing fine structure spoilers
< 1354052584 15423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1354052585 389908 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaceed
< 1354052585 939505 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's for 'there is no computable set of axioms in first order logic that uniquely describes the natural numbers"
< 1354052602 647817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should go back and not skip it and then read the rest of it too
< 1354052606 341519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1354052607 15620 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it actually makes sense later!
< 1354052609 203021 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :will do cap'n
< 1354052609 275440 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: made me wonder how multiple time dimensions would work, though
< 1354052610 253997 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure
< 1354052620 615996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first chapter makes no sense but is also sort of important for understanding ~the ending~)
< 1354052621 514386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: acid will do that too
< 1354052623 775829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1354052625 197733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry for spoiling the punchline tho
< 1354052628 344091 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine structure does have a completely ridiculous startup lag though
< 1354052640 216514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are what, 5 chapters of completely disjoint narratives?
< 1354052657 857203 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: fine structure is like a collection of short stories that someone made a fanfiction crossover sequel to
< 1354052660 482164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the sequel is actually good
< 1354052663 627928 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: obviously what i need to do is go trippin while surrounding myself in textbooks.  eventually i will have covered my walls with E8 models and came up with a GUT
< 1354052680 152799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, i know that! but it's formatted like a book so it's confusing until you realise that
< 1354052733 913762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1354052772 939665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if anyone else hasn't read fine structure please do so, it is important, thanks
< 1354052780 510641 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too constant
< 1354052808 569075 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't qiforgetherestofhissitename start writing another thing, that involved magical quines
< 1354052820 830809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats coppro -----###
< 1354052884 484525 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION http://fioraaeterna.tumblr.com/post/35130135725/  or maybe not so constant?
< 1354052892 571897 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yes
< 1354052942 464421 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it suck?
< 1354052952 357559 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-9-12.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1354052970 582875 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, i'm holding off until it's complete
< 1354052987 800581 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some interesting ideas, but interesting ideas are cheap
< 1354053240 529983 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354053495 190323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/math/comments/13vgwf/teaching_math_to_infantsbabies_book_list/
< 1354053507 53668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :redditors r good parents
< 1354053586 135666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: he also wrote another "novel" (fsvo) before fine structure which is pretty good
< 1354053629 728537 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it about
< 1354053727 600327 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff
< 1354053731 549315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mechas broadly I guess :P
< 1354053736 565967 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qntm.org/ed
< 1354053750 936477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is even more collection-of-short-stories than fine structure though
< 1354053767 783592 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also takes ages to get started due to the format it was written in (everything2 day log entries) at first
< 1354053836 540071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> evalState (do undefined; put 3; y <- get; put 4; return y) undefined
< 1354053837 970936 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  3
< 1354053844 895629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runState (do undefined; put 3; y <- get; put 4; return y) undefined
< 1354053846 157323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (3,4)
< 1354053874 659686 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aight
< 1354053979 295579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_CHINA_ONION_KIM
< 1354054026 643326 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runState (do x; put x; y <- x; put x; return x) x
< 1354054027 966231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `Control.Monad.Trans.State.Lazy.StateT
< 1354054028 38318 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :       ...
< 1354054037 775860 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: link takes me to some bullshit "pick a member web site" thing
< 1354054051 108349 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :china daily ran the onion's sexiest man of the year story
< 1354054063 478940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_CHINA_ONION_KIM?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2012-11-27-07-38-17 then
< 1354054072 28494 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tend to assume everything after the ? is useless url junk
< 1354054094 851663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1354054100 16638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally a good assumption
< 1354054239 498187 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354054253 322557 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1354054263 583520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome MiJyn 
< 1354054267 394982 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :MiJyn: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1354054328 25157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is MiJyn related to UrJin
< 1354054333 168672 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait...
< 1354054343 755810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :UrJin? oerjan?
< 1354054389 995272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no relation.
< 1354054424 308739 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1354054431 364274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets a myth adventures webcomic flashback
< 1354054452 990121 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354054453 61752 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1354054453 61899 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354054559 562502 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys, mind if I buttify the topic?
< 1354054567 213980 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1354054573 140402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.airshipentertainment.com/mythcomic.php?date=20100216 in particular.
< 1354054603 655567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: no ends, whiffs or butts!
< 1354054923 54700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t First
< 1354054924 241038 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a -> First a
< 1354054936 389349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: what does that mean
< 1354054949 935453 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Buttify"?
< 1354054953 82381 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means this.
< 1354054957 167191 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :(using fingers to buttdicate triangular shape) SMELL SMELL SMELL GOOD NEW NEW NEW slice drink BUTT BUTT (butt in air) STARS STARS STARS | the butt news is, /usr/bin/make-loud-noises butt. the bad butt is, I think I just woke everyone up. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1354054986 85993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is not a good change
< 1354054989 750622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runRWS (do tell (First Nothing); undefined; put 1; ask) 2 3
< 1354054991 254059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (2,1,First {getFirst = *Exception: Prelude.undefined
< 1354054995 773779 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall undo the change.
< 1354054995 845892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1354055002 540918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1354055020 361745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runRWS (do tell (First (Just 1)); undefined; put 2; ask) 3 4
< 1354055021 966400 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (3,2,First {getFirst = Just 1})
< 1354055030 612100 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :(using fingers to indicate triangular shape) SMELL SMELL SMELL GOOD NEW NEW NEW slice drink MATCH SPARKLER (thrown in air) STARS STARS STARS | the good news is, /usr/bin/make-loud-noises works. the bad news is, I think I just woke everyone up. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1354055049 850061 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354055155 281171 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354055222 900372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi
< 1354055236 268978 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1354055240 982167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit
< 1354055293 959429 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damnit, monqy.  You responded wrong.
< 1354055329 89562 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1354056983 302302 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1354057195 433275 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff
< 1354057430 267674 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1354057568 58075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x
< 1354057574 457460 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x
< 1354057580 961226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :x
< 1354057821 199523 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :×
< 1354057917 394042 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1354058195 824873 :RocketJSquirrel!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor
< 1354058963 612333 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone at tech club was telling me parameterized queries are not perfect at preventing SQL Injection
< 1354059048 615466 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m a bit skeptical about that, but interested of hearing the details.
< 1354059140 443942 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, he gave me an example SQL injection
< 1354059158 89728 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure he's wrong, but figured I'd ask here
< 1354059172 251140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what is the example
< 1354059200 991806 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1' OR 1=1--'
< 1354059213 674699 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Into what query
< 1354059216 446310 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parameterized queries will handle that fine.
< 1354059229 207108 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't specify a query in particular
< 1354059236 361109 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If parametrized queries don't protect you from SQL injection, the implementation is broken.
< 1354059260 574578 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see anything special about that injection. It's pretty much the one you try first if you think the system supports --comments
< 1354059266 360562 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, yeah, that's what I'm thinking. Maybe he thought when I said "parameterized query" that I meant something else
< 1354059302 654672 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know of attacks where if you're filtering and blacklisting ' you can work around that, maybe he was thinking of that? (Bad example to show me though)
< 1354059313 284536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this person just doesn't understand
< 1354059316 200498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what they are talking about
< 1354059326 407287 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would anybody "filter and blacklist" things
< 1354059346 597888 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lumpio: PHP
< 1354059349 162413 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably they think parameterised query = "... WHERE foo='$a'"
< 1354059352 330697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you put parameters in??
< 1354059362 907107 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahah *kills self*
< 1354059363 207244 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incompetence. I might have stated something about SQL injections being preventable, and he said SQL injections will never go away
< 1354059376 917106 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If he said "because programmers are stupid" I would have been inclined to agree.
< 1354059438 413525 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he seems to think it's a sort of arms race, better defenses against SQL injection and then more sophisticated SQL injection attacks
< 1354059483 386614 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's stupid.
< 1354059491 214676 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Good point
< 1354059494 251817 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd blacklist PHP any day
< 1354059495 835918 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQL injections are 100% preventable.
< 1354059522 300127 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...assuming competent people
< 1354059548 956659 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naw. If it gets to the point where you're taking advantage of, say, bugs in the SQL parser, rather than in the query generation, then that's not SQL injection anymore.
< 1354059570 410553 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...assuming people use parameters in the first place
< 1354059575 448097 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That implies competence.
< 1354059600 877579 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well if you're going that far, then we can just say all of this is only possible if people are competent enough to build computers.
< 1354059639 671570 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going that far because it's realistic
< 1354060000 985278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hi
< 1354060144 839183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbalest!
< 1354060179 374326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otlufin!
< 1354060247 199850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 50
< 1354060251 209902 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :za bork con yanurnfus mur ankartadrev clers pred ta rnevildicasted unlie tacratarkerlergasanatlantleve drefifoacclarmet estiseafturettlye camism dimanineurpannt striveron evill triitisquasemiturno essitumfinginartnerrymensol paimsopykllsocasoli cond fring reck ku ing kully sorthoetong rity lo cul nasulpi schranatingidantus rajo reicabi exce panti tenzious mante mer ma kric sepulnes borapsharii vinat sorgandhevelocrnmaron chs ge allooterds veb
< 1354060278 57730 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlie!
< 1354060281 231850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trully evill
< 1354060328 753717 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorgandhevelocrnmaron
< 1354060338 356121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: should i start the fort
< 1354060347 621977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :go fort and multiply
< 1354060349 768161 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!
< 1354060352 452881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes do that!
< 1354060355 148499 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`word 20
< 1354060359 144553 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :down apto brediamiza ing emet sl din clon slancomount delt undesssoroperthettanont evi nip are med leksulianie recapharting cogenckes ittodfji proy
< 1354060371 330047 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott still hasn't started the fort?
< 1354060378 851539 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought he was going to do that days ago...
< 1354060382 24136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you should join
< 1354060385 388386 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1354060385 624204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'd start it!
< 1354060389 874037 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ittodfji sounds like a relative of itflabtijtslwi
< 1354060392 70375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you love dwarf fortress
< 1354060414 159381 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember how I was learning dwarf fortress but i gave up for reasons nobody agreed with
< 1354060447 249882 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about getting started being slow
< 1354060483 180328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but if you play a succession for then you don't need to start a fort
< 1354060494 781478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you know how DF adventure mode was amazing
< 1354060501 33918 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1354060523 493188 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i dont know how to play df.....
< 1354060525 559380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: fortress mode is like that x100 except it's not awful to control 
< 1354060533 233728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x100 because you have 100 dwarves playing!
< 1354060548 89248 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont even remember the things i forgot about it!
< 1354060576 984451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok
< 1354060580 185123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be a learning experience!
< 1354060590 713363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of hard to kill an established fort anyway
< 1354060594 843904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they run basically handsfree after a while
< 1354060594 917237 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1354060601 342775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FSVO)
< 1354060604 532875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as long as nothing bad happens)
< 1354060626 941223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where 'bad' can easily mean 'the death of 3 dorfs'
< 1354060677 361659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: OK tell me how to get DFHack... doing things.
< 1354060689 334180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like if I install DF and get DFHack how do I run DF-with-DFHack-stuff.
< 1354060747 604898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1354060784 292200 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'even an idiot could do it!' way is using ccmake and setting a couple of compilation parameters
< 1354060808 473415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am an idiot so i did it that way
< 1354060842 780788 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the build instructions that come with it should be enough
< 1354060872 874422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfhack itself is just a wrapper executable; you run it from a terminal, it launches df and gives you a command line
< 1354060935 801788 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Nope. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1354060982 9180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm
< 1354060999 218194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :succinct.
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< 1354061080 54810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, any luck?
< 1354061180 34756 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well I didn't start yet!!
< 1354061233 310527 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.141 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1354061535 536953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1354061555 647260 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dfhack has a command to instantly double the population of cats
< 1354061566 903624 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :watching large-scale kitten dynamics is quite fascinating
< 1354061587 267617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Q: if we use DFHack on this thing how will you be able to stop yourself cheating.
< 1354061593 255597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to earn your cats, man.
< 1354061635 462392 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a legitimate point
< 1354061637 565801 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Large-scale kitten dynamics | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1354061662 222075 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i can stop myself using the big ones, like prospect all or reveal
< 1354061682 607890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are some lesser ways of cutting corners that are kind of fuzzy
< 1354061793 575451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you use prospecting on that other fort we had
< 1354061865 893256 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1354061877 82760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can I trust you Phantom_Hoover...
< 1354061881 2464 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since then i've become more patient!
< 1354061889 769934 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i talked you into it, it was your fault too!
< 1354061895 109462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man
< 1354061904 65411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you ran dfhack by doing ./dfhack & disown and closing the terminal so you can't use the console
< 1354061909 183867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you be able to restrain yourself???
< 1354061930 428465 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no because dgvx is too damn useful
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< 1354061960 937836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover................
< 1354061975 144439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1354061985 886096 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vein digging is on toady's to-do list
< 1354061994 373706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover................
< 1354062005 350823 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on
< 1354062028 355212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :P h a n t o m _ H o o v e r . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
< 1354062058 22712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, who'd have thought kittens would have a survival rate of nearly 33% when dropped 13 z-levels onto a rough cave floor
< 1354062060 168852 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :vein digging sounds somewhat unpleasant
< 1354062089 914799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy unfortunately has a survival rate of 0%
< 1354062162 692238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy died as he lived, in a pile of dead kittens and vomit
< 1354062179 342083 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound anything like me
< 1354062729 539966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
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< 1354063736 764104 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they have this game where someone draws and the other try to guess
< 1354063746 832097 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and she drew a plane
< 1354063754 791073 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a man in the cockpit, and an arrow to that man
< 1354063767 867038 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I was like, "How do they call a man that pilots a plane??"
< 1354063783 351423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly french
< 1354063798 60899 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was in french, but it's the same words in french
< 1354064259 570174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ｐｈａｎｔｏｍ＿Ｈｏｏｖｅｒ
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< 1354071666 505823 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, just wondering... do people talk about esoteric languages here?
< 1354071678 340463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rarely.
< 1354071706 745164 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In principle X-D
< 1354071722 360219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MiJyn: hahahahahahhaahahahahahaha
< 1354071725 785673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haahah
< 1354071746 667559 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha ha hah hah ahhaha ha
< 1354071883 69848 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello MiJyn 
< 1354071889 176597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's actually pretty hard to draw the line between defensive coding and cargo cult coding, sometimes
< 1354071894 914824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least without knowing the mental state of the author
< 1354071912 960158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: For the Django thing?
< 1354071918 26841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an example, yeah
< 1354071921 379015 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MiJyn: That is the intent.
< 1354071943 736746 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MiJyn: I believe elliott's "laughs" were actually programs or parts of a program in some esoteric language
< 1354071943 911826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory, if os.urandom() completely fails you, then hashing in the email address gives you a little more entropy
< 1354071954 213443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i was laughing
< 1354071960 905062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not worth much at all
< 1354071974 98291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because an attacker who is trying to forge a signup knows what the email address is
< 1354071995 792252 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's more like OpenSSL tossing the PID into the entropy pool
< 1354072006 937109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough to obscure when the other parts are broken (Debian) but not enough to actually protect anything
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< 1354074097 117683 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric : MiJyn: I believe elliott's "laughs" were actually programs or parts of a program in some esoteric language
< 1354074098 513557 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1354074102 131463 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1354074103 692393 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
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< 1354074115 923390 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey
< 1354074125 264775 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone didn't make a language like that...
< 1354074132 449898 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be fun to make something like an "ook" variant :P
< 1354074149 922609 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, like ha hah would be +, hah ha would be -, etc.. xD
< 1354074218 242901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354074220 79263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i was just laughing
< 1354074222 762284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric
< 1354074232 342561 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's all laugh at elliott
< 1354074238 6032 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1354074268 855745 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha elliott what a lol
< 1354074283 702735 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i made a language
< 1354074290 789442 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where "haha elliott what a lol" is a program
< 1354074300 609480 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that outputs a joke of which elliott is the butt
< 1354074312 620023 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll whisper you the URL to the interpreter
< 1354074318 103859 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the best joke
< 1354074454 729491 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1354074495 931980 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually halfway serious... I'm trying to write a full BF compiler with support for as many dialects as possible (currently supports BF, Ook, Blub, Pbrain, and Brainlove), and it would be fun to make one for it :P
< 1354074533 139079 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have it on good authority that snipers are in place here to intercept talk of new brainfuck dialects.
< 1354074569 738879 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1354074581 23530 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing how many BF dialects there are :P
< 1354074601 7437 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like as if anyone who makes an esoteric language HAS to make a BF dialect :P
< 1354074609 915059 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because all you have to do is come up with eight symbols that map to bf's.
< 1354074654 239715 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, no thinking envolved
< 1354074811 222088 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :still fun to make a compiler though :P
< 1354074829 80134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a corollary of wadler's law
< 1354074833 893002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are obsessed with concrete syntax
< 1354074848 328273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd much rather invent new concrete syntax for an existing language than come up with actually novel semantics
< 1354074860 957579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same with perl/python/php/ruby/javascript/lua/...
< 1354074881 812032 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? I think that it's just that people aren't creative enough to figure out new languages
< 1354074901 92150 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead they just write meta-programming languages that compile to others
< 1354074907 383779 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm guilty of that :/
< 1354074940 280244 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure "metaprogramming" means what you just used it as
< 1354074975 644143 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, wrong word :(
< 1354074992 369000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether a language compiles to another language is not a property of the language but of the compiler
< 1354075037 624166 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you know what I mean though (something like groovy or scheme)
< 1354075050 612759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't, no
< 1354075060 939470 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just named two random languages for all i can tell
< 1354075065 877855 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't say I do, since none of the first implementations of any of the languages kmc listed to any with similar semantics, far as I know
< 1354075073 255301 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*compiled to any
< 1354075093 599324 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever heard of "cat"
< 1354075102 401701 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, they are both based on Java
< 1354075106 779495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1354075107 982312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1354075111 67760 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cats are nice.  I like cats.
< 1354075112 138088 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are just interfaces to java
< 1354075112 210742 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme has nothing to do with java
< 1354075122 907127 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interfaces, hahaha.
< 1354075128 617722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :groovy is typically implemented by compiling to JVM
< 1354075133 874649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can also compile python, ruby, or javascript to JVM
< 1354075134 31116 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :UGH, I CANT TYPE TODAY!
< 1354075148 373444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a property of the language
< 1354075160 307179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and JVM != Java
< 1354075162 192407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically
< 1354075165 487143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you are saying makes no sense
< 1354075166 244296 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I can't remember the name of that S language (which is apparently quite popular), and "compiles" to Java
< 1354075172 42751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Any VM you compile Java to will be a JVM.
< 1354075173 627959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't compile to java
< 1354075173 751960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed
< 1354075176 214743 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't matter, the point is what it compiles to doesn't matter
< 1354075183 871722 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, oh really? I thought they did
< 1354075194 888101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make a language vastly different from Java and compile it to the same virtual machine
< 1354075196 517088 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't understand why people identify languages and implementations so strongly, it's so weird.  it's not like there aren't a billion implementations of popular languages like C
< 1354075213 27004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :D and Haskell are very different languages and yet we compile them both to this virtual machine called x86 processor
< 1354075214 420967 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: be sure to tell MiJyn about "clojure" sometime
< 1354075226 511850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: actually i'm not sure Sgeo__ has heard of clojure
< 1354075246 748274 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that won't stop him from talking about it
< 1354075274 308397 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I think C was not the best example... it seems like as if each popular language is based on C
< 1354075286 362807 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell do you figure that
< 1354075300 171724 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1354075303 609528 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than, again, using lots of syntactic things like {}.
< 1354075307 892234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: What's "clojure"?
< 1354075318 505512 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask Sgeo__
< 1354075331 154324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I want it in your own words!
< 1354075337 358779 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ask Sgeo__"
< 1354075347 977539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks.
< 1354075366 572769 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yeah, syntax is based onC
< 1354075368 700445 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :*on c
< 1354075381 973969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax is the least interesting part of a language design
< 1354075383 138374 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but the point is, who cares about that
< 1354075394 171502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet it's the part most people fixate on
< 1354075405 38438 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than those poor people who embroil themselves in arguments about python tabulation and such, i guess
< 1354075406 509835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy to have opinions about syntax and they can't be "right" or "wrong"
< 1354075423 576940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to have opinions about semantics because then you have to understand, like, math and computer science and stuff
< 1354075434 191294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you might say something factually incorrect
< 1354075442 192747 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh, that sounds hard
< 1354075442 609708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as designers of popular languages tend to do on a regular basis
< 1354076433 620714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not bitter at all
< 1354076448 926231 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shows
< 1354076469 992054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad
< 1354076502 769019 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though, rants aside, being a programmer is really really great
< 1354076524 35009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is just trying to run through an entire lifetime's supply of bitterness in a few years.
< 1354076539 808731 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've tried that, it doesn't really work out well
< 1354076542 32880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i'll die :(
< 1354076831 424396 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn PRIVMSG #esoteric :@kmc, don't worry, you have a couple lifetime's supply of bitterness :P
< 1354076831 547900 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1354077112 636189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354077136 907222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you know if there is a way to set a timestamp for a unix user just for their account
< 1354077141 799107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can use my actual timestamp on my account on my server
< 1354077361 344618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: leaving
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< 1354077707 322335 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Comment on appelle un mec qui pilote un avion ?
< 1354077709 234153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1354077725 339205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :timestamp?
< 1354077753 209739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps, by timestamp I meant timezone
< 1354077834 708413 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by timezone I meant time dilation
< 1354077870 831869 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff
< 1354077884 466709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1354077893 673949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can set the TZ environment variable
< 1354077902 76307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i guess in retrospect that is kind of obvious
< 1354077907 23026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TZ=Europe/Moscow date
< 1354077918 551202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a "sanctioned" way to set that globally for an account
< 1354077966 997898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: by the way I blame you for the fact that I had to come up with "mosh solidity -- dtach -A ~/.irssi/socket irssi"
< 1354078030 871749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wuh
< 1354078061 769143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: typically just put it in ~/.bash_profile
< 1354078086 840435 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :export TZ=America/Jerkcity
< 1354078087 15424 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm
< 1354078099 782049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that work if I am e.g. executing a command with mosh though!! it won't run that will it
< 1354078108 58806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it will run .bashrc instead
< 1354078123 132927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my .bash_profile is the one line "source ~/.bashrc"
< 1354078128 353667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i put all the real meaty business in ~/.bashrc
< 1354078142 169671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^---- pro tip
< 1354078181 448219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it run .bashrc anyway
< 1354078275 430058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mosh uses ssh to launch a mosh-server
< 1354078289 838740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ssh invokes a shell on the remote host to parse the command line
< 1354078319 275592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see this with e.g. ssh foo 'echo $HOSTNAME'
< 1354078332 132347 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mosh-server inherits the environment from that interactive, non-login shell
< 1354078352 620794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm
< 1354078354 160541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough then
< 1354078358 380697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The remote shell is interactive?
< 1354078408 63587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :think so
< 1354078415 149283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: looks like debian's default ~/.profile just runs ~/.bashrc too
< 1354078418 209892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less
< 1354078422 401095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no
< 1354078440 130203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh localhost 'echo $-' # does not show 'i'
< 1354078464 941553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# If not running interactively, don't do anything
< 1354078465 14401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ -z "$PS1" ] && return
< 1354078465 219412 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow it does read ~/.bashrc though
< 1354078475 74002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mosh will not read my bashrc as-is?
< 1354078477 646962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of that
< 1354078478 110191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all confusing
< 1354078480 891260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe
< 1354078488 42481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just try it \o/
< 1354078488 533725 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          |
< 1354078488 606903 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          |\
< 1354078491 741745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELL YES
< 1354078555 659949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :  /o/
< 1354078556 577745 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69    |
< 1354078556 651282 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69   /<
< 1354078566 279907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Europe/London right
< 1354078569 199312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :   \o\ \o/ /o/
< 1354078569 767967 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69     |   |   |
< 1354078569 938205 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69    /|  /'\ /<
< 1354078574 407394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay.
< 1354078580 16693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the thing to make date output timezone
< 1354078614 59990 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+%Z
< 1354078621 993689 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+%z
< 1354078650 539664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it works \o/
< 1354078650 774477 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                      |
< 1354078650 885153 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                      |\
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< 1354078692 420067 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that automatic
< 1354078722 59351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354078739 789275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aight
< 1354078754 947371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you kmc
< 1354078759 901682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am content
< 1354078775 109695 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I slept until noon. Fortunately, I only slept until midnight.
< 1354078940 208996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :British Double Summertime
< 1354078946 809854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yay
< 1354078949 650507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad to help
< 1354078966 475959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now let's see if i can play that game with this fancy new client
< 1354078972 509348 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1354078973 498090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the finance company we had all the machines set to America/New_York even the ones in singapore and shit
< 1354078973 836242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not enough lag :(
< 1354078977 127852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :America USA #1
< 1354078993 878371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw isn't setting TZ globally for a user going to cause some horrible breakage
< 1354079001 132229 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if sudo inherits it or something and i run apt and it writes out a timestamp
< 1354079023 659789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug
< 1354079025 375057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yolo
< 1354079063 269536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont life kmc
< 1354079066 817978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :live
< 1354079083 747646 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yolobt
< 1354079090 689186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lens types are "pretty cool huh"
< 1354079094 674939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1354080364 836361 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott_
< 1354080377 846084 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott
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< 1354086456 471711 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I doubt it; TZ only determines the ASCII serialization of timestamps.
< 1354086499 307161 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *highly* doubt apt deals in timestamps other than seconds since Jan 1, 1970 00:00 UTC.
< 1354086541 314523 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In effect, TZ is just another locale setting.
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< 1354092108 648809 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy Fiora MOG
< 1354092294 584941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi
< 1354092304 122900 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hi
< 1354092320 850757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you ever listen to "return to the neverhood"
< 1354092332 79085 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget
< 1354092346 695895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well remember
< 1354093924 633130 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/12/11/15/geiBYluyr0mSKQWKE295YA2.jpg
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< 1354115647 24679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I predict that absolutely nobody here knows about irssi theming.
< 1354115673 705640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know everything I want to know about irssi theming.
< 1354115676 568711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's enough, right?
< 1354115705 840635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1354115721 283999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you know idris is racist :'(
< 1354115745 940892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:48  I have just used Haskell Char for the interpreter, and C char for the compiler, because other people know more about this than I do
< 1354115748 886691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:48  I am clueless how to deal with unicode at all
< 1354115751 392318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You should help clear things up.
< 1354115758 738616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh.
< 1354115760 336997 :TheBlackPro!~canaima@200.44.232.184 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354115766 465665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Unicode but I don't like writing Unicodecode.
< 1354115768 897111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uni{code^2}.
< 1354115803 199419 :TheBlackPro!~canaima@200.44.232.184 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1354116173 217203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They were the pointed Saxon minuscules of the eighth or ninth century A.D., and brought with them memories of an uncouth time when under a fresh Christian veneer ancient faiths and ancient rites stirred stealthily, and the pale moon of Britain looked sometimes on strange deeds in the Roman ruins of Caerleon and Hexham, and by the towers along Hadrian's crumbling wall."
< 1354116186 41453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Emphasis mine.)
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< 1354116220 556057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm probably not helping the there's-esoteric-and-then-there's-esoteric confusion factor by that.
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< 1354116263 853291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+18F739 'POINTED SAXON MINISCULE A'
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< 1354116353 873132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Unicode codepoints aren't even allowed to be that big. :-(
< 1354116382 268749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but UCS codepoints are!
< 1354116396 660430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1354116449 590168 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not anymore
< 1354116474 993404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 65536*17
< 1354116476 308034 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1114112
< 1354116497 400642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i thought ISO 10646 spec'd a 32-bit codepoint space
< 1354116504 255407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's a corresponding variant of UTF-8
< 1354116528 841705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I didn't hear about that.
< 1354116578 851813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I bet *you* know about irssi theming.
< 1354116598 657188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: UCS is restricted to Unicode size now I think?
< 1354116600 842400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along with UTF.
< 1354116741 549915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe so
< 1354116763 82608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So about that irssi theming??
< 1354116773 897589 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://blogs.oracle.com/ksplice/entry/the_1st_international_longest_tweet
< 1354116792 132468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Alternatively irssi logging. Is there a way to log ANSI colour codes without having it, like, actually log the ANSI colour codes in my theme?
< 1354116941 316004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've dabbled a very small bit with the theming.
< 1354116975 919541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you know how I would, say, change the formatting of the timestamps when it replays the awaylog?
< 1354117003 848891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My normal timestamps are greyed out and have a space between them and the  but in the awaylog they're normally-coloured and bashed right up against the nick, it is not very nice.
< 1354117009 903326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And irssi themes seem to be completely undocumented.
< 1354117051 433626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to be rather crummy, really. Most of it is in the format strings that you can see with /format but there's also the templates ("abstract"s) used in those that are only in the theme files.
< 1354117097 874248 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about ad-hoc.
< 1354117155 949694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a guess I think changing the "timestamp" abstract style should affect all timestamps as long as all /formats actually use it.
< 1354117178 938207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's all undocumented, that's also true.
< 1354117214 298913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well what I have formats = { "fe-common/core" = { timestamp = "%K{timestamp $Z} %n"; }; };is:
< 1354117217 192660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er.
< 1354117218 588200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rearrange that sentence.
< 1354117227 92687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to work for everything but the awaylog.
< 1354117253 33666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's also /set log_timestamp.
< 1354117264 937657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a setting, not a format.
< 1354117269 548439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course.)
< 1354117297 292843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeees, but if I set that won't it affect my Actual Logs too? This is just the awaylog thing that irssi keeps for when I'm away and replays automatically.
< 1354117313 495534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think putting formatting codes in that would make me feel really silly. And then make me ask that logging question again.
< 1354117335 258254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will, but if they both use the same thing and the replay is just a cat-file-on-screen...
< 1354117379 106149 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is that actually a thing?
< 1354117381 200399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really hope it isn't.
< 1354117393 625789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use the awaylog, I don't really know.
< 1354117396 414979 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, people who keep the default "ANSI colours in logs" setting off don't get a completely unthemed awaylog, surely.
< 1354117447 929897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's awaylog_colors, awaylog_file and awaylog_level.
< 1354117468 548329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could well be using the logging framewurk even if it's slightly different.
< 1354117480 290267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Off to the shops now. ->
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< 1354117638 554380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: ping
< 1354117648 374822 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1354117679 529280 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ping2
< 1354117693 979335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellolliott
< 1354117697 73907 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1354117701 661268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am ais523
< 1354117732 307111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: can you ping me
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< 1354117777 858746 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott
< 1354117793 42134 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1354117802 635878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott
< 1354117811 836966 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop it elliott
< 1354117821 362214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Looks like colour formatting doesn't work in log_timestamp.
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< 1354118873 740786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pong
< 1354118877 555113 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 2 late
< 1354118881 568557 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe even 3 late
< 1354118919 669539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well I have connection problems atm
< 1354118925 473048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're making it hard to see if I'm pinged
< 1354118930 999597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because everything is red anyway
< 1354118939 6616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have something to talk about, or were you pinging for fun?
< 1354118968 239963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was pinging you for testing purposes
< 1354118970 664606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you were 4late
< 1354119040 268393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1354119049 622120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now quickly come up with something to say!
< 1354119217 72037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: umm, err
< 1354119219 201642 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how's that Feather
< 1354119485 573974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not good enough for you?
< 1354119497 215184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: help
< 1354119500 903142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :express an opinion :'(
< 1354119533 366955 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
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< 1354120214 9045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: best spam page history we've had for over a year: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=User:CarlenaoWolf&diff=34869&oldid=34868
< 1354120219 319377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to delete it, but people might want to look at it first
< 1354120242 171733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow good
< 1354120249 858768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should keep it and just remove the link or something
< 1354120254 666026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and block them anyway, of course
< 1354120277 986366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I blocked
< 1354120290 431861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can delink and userfy if you like
< 1354120299 185131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's already userfied, right?
< 1354120306 450646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes
< 1354120308 794200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I bet you feel like writing a microbenchmark?
< 1354120309 236877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't even have to userfy, then
< 1354120315 501808 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1354120317 555327 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave my presentation on mushspace-related stuff at school: in summary CFUNGE LOSES EVEN MORE
< 1354120354 336740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That sounds like fun.
< 1354120357 797560 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I redirected the link at example.com
< 1354120360 758097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was fizzie there???
< 1354120368 218748 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In more serious summary I can get rid of hash tables, which I'm happy about, and nothing is still near to being finished
< 1354120370 838641 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1354120371 480966 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how much is IANA paying you
< 1354120385 857329 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I forget, do you have cfunge's cheaty static area still?
< 1354120390 337260 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never did
< 1354120394 107106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1354120394 584331 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or well
< 1354120395 693153 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well CCBI did right
< 1354120404 520587 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354120411 535857 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do because constants are faster than variables and the difference is measurable
< 1354120415 796965 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But
< 1354120426 637561 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's equivalent to everything else I do, it's just preallocated
< 1354120432 238974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmm okay
< 1354120439 980975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it fairly-positioned and sized though
< 1354120440 499723 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in
< 1354120445 518109 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not randomly including some negatives just because fungot does
< 1354120446 641586 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no. they overlap, but aren't really fatal... it's as obscene as " weird thing happened, i'm going to dia and i should say
< 1354120475 877102 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it starts at -16,-16,-4 or something and extends 128,512,16 or something
< 1354120486 931156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: :(
< 1354120494 331978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about -128,-512,-16 to 128,512,16?
< 1354120506 215926 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want it to be too huge :-P
< 1354120510 99960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on.
< 1354120519 851271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll write a funge benchmark that specifically goes just outside your bounds.
< 1354120520 186234 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is to fit most source code in it, plus a bit of padding
< 1354120523 4301 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go ahead
< 1354120528 734248 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll beat cfunge handily
< 1354120529 93 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll have to tweak your constants for me!!
< 1354120534 638987 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I won't, because I won't care
< 1354120537 434939 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you take random stack-based languages and replace their stacks with queues would it affect much their computational class
< 1354120541 928962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow Deewiant
< 1354120543 612337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You suck
< 1354120546 74691 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This is what slowdown.b98 is for you know ;-P
< 1354120549 862482 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avoiding the static area
< 1354120553 531027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm
< 1354120561 1667 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it was originally intended as anyway
< 1354120563 818726 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So how many _posix_madvises do you have
< 1354120566 243087 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :None
< 1354120574 881260 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(See: nothing is still near to being finished)
< 1354120580 296948 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there should be
< 1354120582 520186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many will you have
< 1354120588 394986 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know
< 1354120607 589533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely it's tons. Don't tell me good algorithms and data structures can beat micro-optimised naive algorithms.
< 1354120610 28999 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can get a difference with 95% confidence according to ministat by adding some then I will add some, otherwise I won't
< 1354120612 402789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just silly.
< 1354120655 398172 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microöptimization still helps :-P
< 1354120664 976826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the spambot actually overwrote its own link
< 1354120666 311891 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did some tweaking related to function inlining and got a 20% speedup
< 1354120672 496699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as running the page through a translator and back again
< 1354120754 540505 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's tonnes of high-level stuff to do still so I'm not particularly interested in that currently
< 1354121166 745866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Occasionally it could have been stretched through the bee-keeper"
< 1354121904 869667 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1354121914 540641 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott test
< 1354121938 4200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test2
< 1354121941 375064 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :test3
< 1354121944 469101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test4
< 1354121949 870075 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: test5
< 1354121950 879881 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: or you can give for an error that it gets in my way.
< 1354121978 264874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kq
< 1354121979 528100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2q
< 1354121980 618507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3q
< 1354121981 343503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4q
< 1354121982 408582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :5q
< 1354121984 870273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1q
< 1354121987 353597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0q
< 1354121989 901265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1q
< 1354121996 18574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1354121998 474737 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disagree
< 1354122011 588030 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :q
< 1354122019 255567 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :q
< 1354122050 613486 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1354122071 73357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is annoying.
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< 1354122075 990073 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1354122099 45057 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Elliott is annoyed.
< 1354122099 614369 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: nope. 1 sec. 6 and 9 on that page
< 1354122103 970158 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nope!
< 1354122114 260541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: :(
< 1354122122 323737 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: elliott is sad.
< 1354122122 594961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'll be not-annoyed if fungot can help me with this awaylog problem.
< 1354122122 931158 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: do you dislike abou tit? how well do you know what
< 1354122123 276243 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they should really release a updated stable. :) heh. i won't actually finish anything substantial
< 1354122123 355011 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you find the modified date for a static webpage
< 1354122141 930771 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess they won't
< 1354122194 276236 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: It's in the Last-Modified HTTP header
< 1354122300 741911 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay can i ask my broswer for that info?
< 1354122334 175913 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Firefox it's ctrl-i (or right-click on page -> view page info, or tools -> page info)
< 1354122707 505341 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1354123189 105092 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1354123678 776068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you disappointed that the interpreter you run on isn't as good as it could be? 
< 1354123679 952813 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i got the " north." clairvoyance rocks. but we have to ditch the fnord system in 80% of its land mass quantities of beefsteak tend to weaken a fighting force?
< 1354123767 966116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Will you make fungot run on CCBI3?
< 1354123769 126036 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: at the moment i'm in hex editor... like trying to save you some work, and sysrq isn't enabled, no way
< 1354123769 748354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be exciting.
< 1354123772 954018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: P.S. is it called CCBI3
< 1354123776 46432 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No
< 1354123792 273 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what it'll be called but something different
< 1354123810 833744 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Will it be... "mush"
< 1354123836 932003 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's a bit too ungoogleable for my tastes
< 1354123858 51729 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Plus I don't want it to be defined by the library it uses :-P)
< 1354123878 661190 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to think of some suitably unpronounceable Finnish or something
< 1354123897 48647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Hey, what are you doing in a hex editor? 
< 1354123897 709758 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so not anymore, no. i'd need to transfer large files easily provide a different implementation
< 1354123906 764440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone know of a good brown/lightbrown (i.e. yellow) colour set for terminals? I'd like to disable actual bolding on my terminal so I can just have light colours.
< 1354123909 276610 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they blend too closely.
< 1354123919 511291 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't want to make my brown less golden; would rather make the yellow more yellowy.)
< 1354123962 395293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Make it be (1.2, 1.2, 0.0) in the regular [0, 1] RGB scale.
< 1354124000 350184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: https://twitter.com/Horse_ebooks/status/135235748512280576
< 1354124075 21529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ur welcome.
< 1354124092 342900 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ur-welcome, the original welcome that begat all others.
< 1354124198 705791 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354124833 397551 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354125086 582386 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354125534 304539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1354125771 590911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er-welcome, a somewhat unsure specimen.
< 1354125790 51054 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Har.
< 1354126103 803608 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: awaylog? No? C'mon, someone's gotta know.
< 1354127425 918556 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354127782 907608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'll try to think of some suitably unpronounceable Finnish or something
< 1354127787 191548 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's finnish for mushroom
< 1354127858 478039 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sieni
< 1354127981 317183 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had "sienest" in mind for some time, based on "sienestää" (to gather mushrooms), but I'm not sure if I like it or not
< 1354128053 875601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like it
< 1354128054 383317 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1354128083 71760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "katsosieni". You see, it's like "cfunge"...
< 1354128090 79698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Google Translate saves the day yet again)
< 1354128108 237965 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1354128132 12514 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It should be "näesieni" unless you want it to mean "look, a mushroom"
< 1354128166 802671 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Which of the existing funge interpreter names do you like, anyway?
< 1354128202 519491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Um... Shiro.
< 1354128212 694971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was that C++ one I liked the name of? But I forget its name.
< 1354128224 238481 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stinkhorn?
< 1354128229 245712 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm.
< 1354128234 291042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must have remembered it as having a better name than it does.
< 1354128250 592517 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does Shiro get its name from anyway
< 1354128257 870945 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I may have asked this before)
< 1354128267 938411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shiro, a special kind of mycelia
< 1354128269 56629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"
< 1354128286 9098 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to name a Funge thing: Go on Wikipedia -> Look at something about fungi -> Pick a word that looks nice
< 1354128293 936107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mycelium (plural mycelia) is the vegetative part of a fungus, consisting of a mass of branching, thread-like hyphae. The mass of hyphae is sometimes called shiro, especially within the fairy ring fungi."
< 1354128410 29784 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll call it "rice rotten neck"
< 1354128434 182330 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect
< 1354128463 564681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally prefer names that don't really mean much (but have some sort of relation to the thing) but sound nice.
< 1354128477 805710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that or uber-generic names when I can't be bothered to care.
< 1354128505 881606 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to prefer names that have a sensible relation to the thing
< 1354128521 306257 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some abstract sense, at least
< 1354128525 901681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure.
< 1354128540 951870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean I wouldn't name an interpreter something with "funge" in it unless I was doing it under the Too Lazy To Care clause.
< 1354128541 612245 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if e.g. Funge programs are fungi then interpreters would have to be things that do something with fungi
< 1354128550 865051 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or verbs or something
< 1354128563 828657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushroom reproduction is crazy
< 1354128584 2089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fruiting body of the mushroom produces spores, which grow into haploid mycelia
< 1354128611 94795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if two mycelia of compatible types meet, they kinda fuse together
< 1354128618 135584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and produce cells with two nuclei each
< 1354128630 964271 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the types are a bit like sexes then, but i think there can be more than two
< 1354128657 185809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in this sense they can self-fertilize like some plants
< 1354128696 325626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :currently trying to grow oyster mushrooms at home
< 1354128754 490783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungi are crazy in general
< 1354128780 418351 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :their biology is pretty far out from either plant or animal stuff
< 1354128805 634160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1354128898 464629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lichen are weird
< 1354128918 406152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a symbiosis of a fungus and an alga
< 1354129005 159451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Näkösieni.
< 1354129087 66727 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-9.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354129088 272285 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's finnish for lichen
< 1354129089 666420 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's not "visionfunge"
< 1354129097 555199 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: jäkälä
< 1354129102 333461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh
< 1354129106 681592 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good one
< 1354129124 573094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: No, but it sounds better than "näesieni".
< 1354129143 412201 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That it does, sure
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< 1354129216 868789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite like "jakala".
< 1354129230 177187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's it pronounced if you don't mangle the "s?
< 1354129230 691186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be "andfish".
< 1354129269 492722 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPA: [ˈjækælæ], X-SAMPA: ["j{k{l{]
< 1354129293 80869 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-9.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric :jkl is normal.. IPA looks weird
< 1354129294 329043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only I could read either of those.
< 1354129350 326156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just type it to translate.google and ask it to read it for you? 
< 1354129351 115017 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The äs are like in stressed "an": https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/File:en-us-an.ogg
< 1354129376 242589 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, yes, we live in the future so you could abuse that fact
< 1354129391 171603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the "Listen" button is for some reason not working for me. :/
< 1354129403 66827 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worked for me and it sounded about right too
< 1354129443 778983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chromium must not be multimedia enough for it.
< 1354129471 528646 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works in Chromium for me as well
< 1354129487 948873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, flashblock.
< 1354129498 862498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whitelisted translate.google.com, now it works.
< 1354129513 30374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, sounds good enough.
< 1354129558 605816 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say the only thing wrong with it is that it has strangely long pauses between syllables.
< 1354129560 499448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: OK, throwin' my vote in for some variant of "jakala".
< 1354129564 479443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I called the static analysis tool that did the fungot flowgraph for me "mycena", don't quite remember why. It had something to do with the fact that lots of those are bioluminescent.
< 1354129565 221183 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that: an environment is a module, change that module, and i had the first real personal shoes?
< 1354129577 389928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is a vote, right?)
< 1354129589 568996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant runs on democracy.
< 1354129607 156692 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, it's a dictatorship. I don't like "jakala" and I'm not going to have a non-ASCII binary name. :-P
< 1354129621 273648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :KALAA&LI.HAA
< 1354129636 121437 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ASCII and thus completely acceptable.
< 1354129643 161017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I think that I do not like you.
< 1354129651 25873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's the 8.3-compatible nfofile for some Finnish BBS.)
< 1354129651 181842 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh.
< 1354129694 754950 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"keijurengas" is too long, methinks. Why is Finnish being so difficult?
< 1354129758 136199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Vaatimustenmukaiset Concurrent Befunge-98 Tulkki
< 1354129763 84210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There used to be some amount of fishing-themed terminology in use for BBS file-shering. MikroBitti called their file area "apaja", meaning (approximately) a place for fishing etc., and the files themselves were fish.
< 1354129800 291654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you lowercase the Concurrent, it's "Vaatimustenmukaiset samanaikaisesti Befunge-98 Tulkki".
< 1354129830 793334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I decided to leave it broken as-is.
< 1354129843 320702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it abbreviated VCBT then? 
< 1354129852 174347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1354129870 312692 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yhdenmukaisuus Suostumus Befunge -98 Tulkki
< 1354129885 911060 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Courtesy of good old intertran @ http://www.tranexp.com:2000/Translate/result.shtml )
< 1354129904 749586 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still translates the word "I" to "I-KIRJAIN" i.e. "THE LETTER I". :-)
< 1354129941 297316 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Nyt kuluva asia ulkomuoto hyvin l;sitellä erityinen mieltymys kuin Google Kääntää.
< 1354129950 653105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't know the semicolon was a Finnish letter.)
< 1354130004 518068 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Now ongoing issue appearance well l;sitellä specific preference than Google Translates."
< 1354130035 960563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "Soveliaasti käyttäytyvä yhdessä vaikuttava Befunge-98 esittäjä". (Courtesy of a word-by-word translation performed by picking the least sensible senses from NetMOT.)
< 1354130037 4847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice.
< 1354130045 668128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was "This looks much less fancy than Google Translate." or such.
< 1354130077 481511 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I last used it something like 10 years ago; its results were a source of great amusement at the time.
< 1354130134 884301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish 10
< 1354130143 844487 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kari kavampassa riisimpanasi leppuilta reviltasi aisemme arvatk-onnala poisemmästänne syysikoloissa kursumiassa
< 1354130151 816436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --befungeinterpreternames 10
< 1354130155 973653 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: befungeinterpreternames
< 1354130217 538029 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-/
< 1354130293 828859 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You might've read fantasy in Finnish at some point; what does fae/faerie get translated to?
< 1354130426 277968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read a bit of it in Finnish, but I'm not sure I've read anything that has needed that word. Offhand I'd assume something keiju-derived.
< 1354130441 596909 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well.
< 1354130463 846045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly the same as elves.
< 1354130563 256059 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Midsummer Night's Dream's faeries in the translations go the keiju way, I think.
< 1354130631 225233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Kaijukeiju.)
< 1354130640 495059 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just wondering if there was anything clever for the collective fae-word.
< 1354130642 614343 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not.
< 1354130768 728580 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"keijupiiri" is still too long, but at least it has a computing-related piiri pun.
< 1354130904 815871 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe "haltiapiiri", with the binary of course being called "halt".
< 1354130907 808435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Does it have to be 8.3 too?
< 1354130922 836677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrelated, but I'd like to see the term "keijuvirtapiiri" be used somewhere.
< 1354130925 244078 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably but it's not a requirement.
< 1354130977 803365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of translations, what are hattivatit in English? 
< 1354130994 355156 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Hattifatteners"
< 1354131044 121367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's quite close to the Swedish.
< 1354131074 244649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, blue is hard.
< 1354131137 165930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For those not up to speed in Moomin lore, Hattifatteners are the guys in the lower-right corner of http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a9/Moomin_kuva.JPG
< 1354131170 50950 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have their own article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hattifattener
< 1354131186 426326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Who *wouldn't* be up to speed in Moomin lore?
< 1354131197 98089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yes, but the picture there just looks stupid.
< 1354131203 931384 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you say so.
< 1354131234 322191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish version of the article is much better.
< 1354131240 498411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Näkymättömässä lapsessa Muumipapan näkemissä veneissä on aina pariton määrä hattivatteja[1], mutta toisaalta Muumipeikossa ja pyrstötähdessä tekijän kuvituksessa on kahden, neljän ja kuudenkin hattivatin veneitä[2]."
< 1354131245 200736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all so meaningful.
< 1354131248 317435 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
< 1354131259 654063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there's some kind of deep symbolism involved.
< 1354131283 984236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You Finns and your weird language.
< 1354131386 746809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "In The Invisible Child the boats Moominpappa sees always carry an odd number of Hattifatteners[1], but on the other hand in Comet in Moominland the author's illustrations have boats of two, four and even six Hattifatteners."
< 1354131391 255904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2]
< 1354131460 686079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You Finns and your weird language.
< 1354131474 232278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was in your weird language. Well, mostly.
< 1354131508 974391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Hemulens: Creatures that believe in order and like to boss other people around, but find it difficult to listen to anyone and lack a sense of humor. Many hemulens like collecting stuff, and have little time to think about much else."
< 1354131513 525216 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the best translated name.
< 1354131556 738249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Hemuli" is one of the common pet names derived from my first name, so I have a particular affinity to them.)
< 1354131572 835671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also I don't listen to anyone and lack a sense of humor.)
< 1354131705 468680 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --finnish 50
< 1354131709 953649 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :luotokiosteiskyt psyyttäviika newtonin levaltaviemmän syrjistämiä nelmäksensä tuttavampi manannesi ahdastamme soveiltani naurastavia monikseen taviansa kottelupana purjakaan arviltamia agani kunnioimina kuvotamaltansa dernisimmilla tähystitetynyt kärkkineni musmalle kuolisevästitu nauhanamme
< 1354131739 254035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nauhanamme: "as our ribbon".
< 1354131851 75951 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could take a leaf from Mark Jones's book and call it "hali".
< 1354131917 632774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mark Jones?
< 1354131950 666656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "a hug".
< 1354131956 45588 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He made Hugs.
< 1354131992 272148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahh.
< 1354132002 611785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I suppose you need an acronym expansion for it, though.
< 1354132010 842023 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1354132017 990735 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really.
< 1354132022 657338 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it ends in "i" so that's a start.
< 1354132024 604933 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I am about 3.17x more likely to use software named after hugs than any other kind of software.
< 1354132038 962514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hfunge Ainterpreter Lalsoit'sconformant Iandconcurrent
< 1354132049 630853 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Henjoy Abeinglocked Linyour Imatrixofsolidity
< 1354132062 962124 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hali hali my boyfriend's back
< 1354132097 573682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hello All Little Inuits
< 1354132112 960295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can call the companion piece of software "pusi" then.
< 1354132123 914453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happily Angry Like Idiots
< 1354132128 477969 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-9.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1354132145 355649 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Calling anything "pusi" is bound to be a hit among English speakers.
< 1354132163 925000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It naturally goes with "hali", though.
< 1354132173 760776 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say it's a bad idea.
< 1354132242 41106 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354132323 929574 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Happy All-Languages* Interpreter (* only supports Funge-98)
< 1354132345 579755 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humble would be better with that
< 1354132349 95994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1354132361 670510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Humbly, A Language Interpreter
< 1354132378 440121 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using A as part of an acronym is somewhat lame
< 1354132387 487438 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's A Language Interpreter
< 1354132416 784387 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have A Language Interpreter
< 1354132431 41158 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help A Language Interpret
< 1354132451 123114 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horrible Abomination of a Language Interpreter
< 1354132459 468910 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D:
< 1354132613 276638 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0~
< 1354132681 302326 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horticulturally Associated Language Interpreter
< 1354132691 379871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Happily Arcane Language Interpreter
< 1354132725 605031 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's good.
< 1354132779 823826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354132796 70061 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can use pusi for the JIT then (when/if).
< 1354132804 18373 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horrible, Abysmal Lout of an Interpreter
< 1354132817 143083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could also s/Happily/Handy/
< 1354132827 291723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pusi is a compiler for large-scale kitten dynamics, right?
< 1354132839 956405 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I know of. I hope not.
< 1354132845 642224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(warning: norwegian pun)
< 1354132890 775664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's only a letter away from working in english too
< 1354133045 727801 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering that that's how I would pronounce "pusi" on seeing it, I don't think it needs a letter change
< 1354133050 829837 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To work in English
< 1354133071 574912 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't pronounce it that way.
< 1354133077 839353 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like poo-see to me.
< 1354133120 19797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is such a poseur
< 1354133482 391716 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Humorously Academic Language Interpreter
< 1354133622 306027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, Deewiant.  I'm afraid we can't have that.
< 1354133674 333550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log ais523.*obscure.*reference
< 1354133697 266143 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heuristically programmed ALgorithmic Interpreter, except that that HAL's a shitty acronym
< 1354133705 707000 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-01.txt:21:31:28:  (on another note, I love the way that the standard way to indicate that you get a reference is to make a different obscure reference to the same thing)
< 1354133752 620157 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: And "programmed" is cheating
< 1354133761 451946 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's one reason is shitty
< 1354133763 636135 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's*
< 1354134203 415407 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1354134234 960137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate
< 1354134235 274523 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/  \m/ \m/  |o/ \o/ \o|  \m/ \m/  \o| |o| |o/
< 1354134236 715479 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69  |   |   |    `\o/´69    |   ¦   |    `\o/´69    |   |   |
< 1354134236 791209 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 /<   >\  |\     |     /|  ´¸¨  >\     |     /|  /|  /'\
< 1354134236 791406 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                /'¯|_)                /\
< 1354134236 791514 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69              (_|                   (_| |_)
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< 1354134519 119308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1354135133 862993 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... is there an easy way to reclaim an old nick on freenode?  I'd kinda like to register this
< 1354135198 288724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, just ask a staff member.  it must have been unused for 60 days, or was it weeks.
< 1354135215 20905 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, who's someone I could poke
< 1354135220 171632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION got his nick that way
< 1354135225 321130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "10 weeks plus (at staffer discretion) one additional week per full year of registration, up to a maximum of five additional weeks."
< 1354135231 11822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can poke any op on #freenode.
< 1354135240 312882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they've changed it then.
< 1354135242 213532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I poked the one with the lowest idle time for my cloak.
< 1354135261 72475 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Last seen  : Mar 24 08:12:31 2012
< 1354135266 827804 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, "lowest idle time for my cloak"?
< 1354135275 313000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 15*7
< 1354135276 731923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  105
< 1354135287 413771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be enough i think
< 1354135294 430469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I poked the person who at the moment had the lowest idle time, for the purpose of getting my 'unaffiliated' cloak set on.
< 1354135303 313854 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I figure out who has the lowest idle time?
< 1354135314 758925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that's the hard part!
< 1354135326 450051 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can whois them randomly until you find a low enough number.
< 1354135333 352290 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfff okay
< 1354135348 433725 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a + okay?  or do I need a @ in freenode
< 1354135368 515482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, technically you I think should do "/quote STATS p" these days.
< 1354135369 958519 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't any @s 
< 1354135378 213745 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1354135379 917289 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that do?
< 1354135385 635965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: not a channel op, a network op or what they call it
< 1354135399 885023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will list staff members.
< 1354135415 143198 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'oper', isn't it
< 1354135426 880707 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see
< 1354135436 301880 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, I used whois, but it doesn't say idle time
< 1354135445 60067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Fuchs seems to be the one
< 1354135463 338822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, sorry, voiced on #freenode as opposed to opped.
< 1354135480 444886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All staff currently connected to the network will be voiced in #freenode. Keep in mind that all network staff are volunteers and you may sometimes have to wait for a staffer to become active. You can also issue the command  /stats p  from within your IRC client."
< 1354135486 329884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The quote was to make it more compatible.)
< 1354135496 958432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get idle times you have to use the /whois Fuchs Fuchs  syntax, which asks their local server
< 1354135497 364155 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okies let me try that
< 1354135503 426748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This latter list seems to be "on-call" people, so they should I guess be awake.
< 1354135506 408430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuchs is on that list.
< 1354135513 600995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be a good first attempt.
< 1354135546 102785 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, Fuchs is there
< 1354135547 595473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: he had the lowest idle time a minute ago
< 1354135573 329801 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay
< 1354135600 707441 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Incidentally, it seems that the nick in question also matches the other rule: "Nicks which are at least two weeks old and which were last used less than two hours after their creation are also considered to be expired."
< 1354135615 911184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :User reg.  : Mar 24 07:21:51 2012 (35 weeks, 4 days, 13:23:35 ago)
< 1354135619 448351 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I have my esper nick here too
< 1354135623 590987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last seen  : Mar 24 08:12:31 2012 (35 weeks, 4 days, 12:32:55 ago)
< 1354135692 362714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ah.
< 1354135737 127833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My alternative grouped nicks (fizzie_, fizzie`) are all technically speaking expired, but maybe that's not a problem.
< 1354135779 878185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think they had something about not expiring a users only alternative nick
< 1354135785 404970 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354135806 467927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: but it ought to be as easy as you /nick'ing to them to reset it...
< 1354135822 140398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+'
< 1354135835 817507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but that'd be uggly.
< 1354135857 882484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the nick you want is someone's NickServ account name, it is considered expired only when the account itself is expired."  But then the FAQ doesn't mention when accounts expire.
< 1354135884 427038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: um it's what several of us did when the last warning about a major cleanup went out
< 1354135916 559784 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How... plebeian.
< 1354135930 631838 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have my chauffeur log in as the alternative nicks or something.
< 1354135936 270940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I missed my tenth freenode registered-nick anniversary, just nine weeks ago. Forgot to celebrate. :/ :\
< 1354135942 242529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i assume that only applies to plain fizzie itself.  i meant that i thought there was a rule about not expiring the second last.
< 1354135994 211761 :fizzie_!~fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354136003 587754 :fizzie_!~fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do this thing now.
< 1354136008 69149 :fizzie_!~fis@unaffiliated/fizzie NICK :fizzie`
< 1354136022 808032 :fizzie`!~fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wanted to have some witnesses, too.
< 1354136023 992918 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My step-mother is an idiot.
< 1354136026 684890 :fizzie`!~fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Client Quit
< 1354136081 290560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan_
< 1354136083 537492 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan
< 1354136107 415400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The stench of a _ is now lingering around your otherwise pristine "oerjan".
< 1354136156 482231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that sometimes happens when i get thrown out of my linux login without being disconnected from irc, anyway.
< 1354136183 175365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get the ` because of the bouncer. But it's been a while since the last time.
< 1354136270 957658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually join the Assembly demo party's IRC channel during the event, but don't add it to the autojoin list, so I stay on the channel until I drop out for natural reasons. The event was in August, but I'm still on the channel, and it's really annoying, because it's a stupid place.
< 1354136385 476208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't just leave, since I never leave until I drop because of natural causes.
< 1354136391 682555 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I have to keep reading all the stupidity.
< 1354136421 557209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think fizzie wants us to help crash his bouncer, or something
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< 1354136727 660282 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Install a system update and reboot
< 1354136773 728188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would probably be a good idea, at some point.
< 1354136794 179128 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have infinity=-infinity and -infinity*i = infinity*i, do you get a number donut?
< 1354137232 518567 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's sort of like... a hyperbolic doughnut?   since one side of the doughnut is 0 and the other is infinity, and the distance between the two has to be infinitely diverging...?
< 1354137259 904083 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354137308 965656 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354137353 259897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: well those are both true in the gauss sphere, at least...
< 1354137367 619464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1354137387 353942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*riemann sphere
< 1354137404 858406 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it a sphere and not a donut?
< 1354137432 604633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you only add one infinity, which is all the numbers you mentioned
< 1354137442 267032 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1354137468 295517 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riemann_sphere    ohhh.   is there a reason to distinguish i*inf from inf?
< 1354137478 197599 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, what's the reason Riemann put them together?
< 1354137521 775177 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354137574 465041 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354137631 385225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: well having just one infinity is basically what you need to do if you want to make f(z) = 1/z a well-behaved function over all of it, without adding extra zeroes as well...
< 1354137662 405329 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would the "extra zeroes" be the alternate infinities?
< 1354137696 407462 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd want 1/(i*inf) to be a different 0 from 1/(inf) I think
< 1354137701 747365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they would probably be infinitesimals, not infinities.
< 1354137716 48806 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.  since complex numbers can be represented as magnitude * angle, wouldn't Sgeo__'s thing allow an infinite number of infinities?
< 1354137722 199537 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you could pick magnitude=inf, angle=anything
< 1354137744 619932 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1354137746 910983 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would make inf =/= -inf I think
< 1354137761 868117 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be wrong
< 1354137764 333592 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why 1/x as x -> someinf would be different zeroes
< 1354137768 27763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that would also split zeroes, which don't have a well-defined angle (and angles repeat every 2pi anyway)
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< 1354137777 905654 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1354137779 916039 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1354137783 286884 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFul
< 1354137784 253840 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, true
< 1354137784 724218 :FreeFul!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull
< 1354137785 765825 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like
< 1354137791 661908 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i*inf + inf
< 1354137793 796136 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i*inf - inf
< 1354137798 411152 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i*inf + inf
< 1354137801 570485 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-i*inf - inf
< 1354137806 715635 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with sgeo's thing those would all be different right?
< 1354137817 515718 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354137819 846843 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Yes
< 1354137835 51974 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't see why the zeroes would be different
< 1354137837 566269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: the riemann sphere doesn't really allow you to add infinities usefully, though.  it has limitations but is still useful for many things.
< 1354137864 293494 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was going with the doughnut thing
< 1354137878 903297 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1354138027 158192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: your idea looks like you want to add a circle of infinities, one for each angle, and then identify some of them.  which should give you a donut/torus if you do it correctly.
< 1354138055 953908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no guarantees on it having any use for complex analysis, though.
< 1354138079 100419 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, since when is usefulness an important thing?
< 1354138119 334980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd want to identify all of the four infinity*(+-sqrt(2)/2 +- i*sqrt(2)/2) points, i think.
< 1354138144 766081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and otherwise identify the left and right arc, and the upper and lower arch.
< 1354138197 352721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by mirroring across the y and x axes, respectively.
< 1354138244 317403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reflecting through 0 would give you the real projective plane instead, ignoring the sqrt(2)/2 parts.)
< 1354138339 27095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.okcupid.com/profile/HorseEbooks
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< 1354138423 741994 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1354138452 124692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: what i'm saying is that apart from infinity, -infinity, infinity*i and -infinity*i, the identified points would _not_ just be the negations.
< 1354138466 303143 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@183.181.16.72 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354138512 488006 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh-oh
< 1354138513 867403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a donut.
< 1354138516 48607 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has sgeo been doing maths
< 1354138530 670757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1354138556 144177 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is he doing C/(x~-x) in an attempt to make a torus
< 1354138621 873877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well he didn't directly imply that, so i clarified that what he said could be extended to give a torus but not by identifying x and -x
< 1354138641 30785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i did that wrong anyway
< 1354138660 714810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah he was only identifying infinities.
< 1354138680 218966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's what i deserve for trying to sound clever
< 1354138721 381075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :happens to me too
< 1354138815 456945 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1354138857 584006 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i tell you about that time i confused orientation, immersion and embedding in my analysis class
< 1354138920 846970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like just the thing to get your argument twisted into knots
< 1354138945 45929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no)
< 1354138950 320231 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A number of my friends have been asked "ham" on Tumblr
< 1354138978 421428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a major ham event, i take
< 1354138990 157744 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody knows (or nobody is forthcoming about) the identity of the perpetrator or perpetrators
< 1354139010 497126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're putting a
< 1354139011 734090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1354139013 452740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hex
< 1354139014 354898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on you
< 1354139026 717546 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1354139037 253721 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1354139037 921591 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the only hammed person who lives in Hexham, to my knowledge
< 1354139053 212459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally no:ham = en:him.
< 1354139068 714815 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no ham en him
< 1354139240 308972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, another Hexagon (isn't that the collective term for you?), I'll re-quote that one thing. Sorry if you logread.
< 1354139243 760711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They were the pointed Saxon minuscules of the eighth or ninth century A.D., and brought with them memories of an uncouth time when under a fresh Christian veneer ancient faiths and ancient rites stirred stealthily, and the pale moon of Britain looked sometimes on strange deeds in the Roman ruins of Caerleon and Hexham, and by the towers along Hadrian's crumbling wall."
< 1354139263 458345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there many strange deeds in Hexham? 
< 1354139324 431031 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, all the time
< 1354139366 794910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your moon paler than other countries' moons? 
< 1354139376 667019 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tad
< 1354139417 138121 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the moon struck me as particularly bright tonight, actually
< 1354139430 200392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hexagon is the name of trondheim's gamer club, btw.  if they still exist.
< 1354139458 423237 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodness, what are the odds of two people individually making up a word that weird
< 1354139465 627304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the biggest naming coincidence since dennis the menace
< 1354139492 9090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm you do know it's the greek term for a six-edged polygon, right?
< 1354139500 868374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1354139502 668052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover is an idiot
< 1354139503 360010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth
< 1354139546 360863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a common shape of board game whatthehecktheyarecalled
< 1354139586 970037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why isn't mezzacotta loading
< 1354139639 259938 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loads for me?
< 1354139654 86450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1354139763 660874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Board game game boards.
< 1354139790 838945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, smaller than that.
< 1354139827 150588 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Square?
< 1354139834 268223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cards?
< 1354139837 498207 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dice?
< 1354139843 22303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boxes?
< 1354139845 844916 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell Monopoly
< 1354139855 56181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: that doesn't quite apply when they're hexagonal, does it?
< 1354139861 140405 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese Checkers but a Hexagon Instead of a Hexagram
< 1354139865 440973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't say things like that, you know how atriq feels about monopoly
< 1354140010 684844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Board_game#Common_terms seems to imply it is space/square or cell/hex, with no term being completely shape-independent
< 1354140033 818664 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say "square" is shape-independent
< 1354140044 978188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i guess space is closest
< 1354140051 112493 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm a linguistic pragmatist
< 1354140058 390353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION says atriq needs a swat -----###
< 1354140071 602904 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ow!
< 1354140089 694471 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a really weird shape for a flyswatter
< 1354140092 456352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just so you know
< 1354140094 539265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Thery're the board's hexes when they're hexagonal.
< 1354140195 582572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it has occasionally gained extra parts
< 1354140216 180079 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's one of those modular flyswatters?
< 1354140239 697631 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're in the future.
< 1354140243 394316 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything's modular
< 1354140247 76767 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modules are modular
< 1354140258 460037 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1354140357 371569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomgmodules
< 1354140381 801522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION switches atriq's corpus callosum with Phantom_Hoover's
< 1354140424 871714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why
< 1354140474 87286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see if they are properly exchangeable modules, of course!
< 1354140476 245019 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's zomgmodules
< 1354140487 910710 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where zomgmodules
< 1354140487 984155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about zomgmodules.
< 1354140502 656793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor ate him
< 1354140509 299142 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This feels somewhat strange
< 1354140576 738047 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel...
< 1354140585 412528 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moderately more confident in my gender identity
< 1354140605 452585 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... because Gregor ate zomgmodules?
< 1354140626 33463 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too
< 1354140653 523702 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More likely, because I know have Phantom_Hoover's corpus callosum
< 1354140691 196207 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know i'm moderately more confident in my gender identity
< 1354140709 133458 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now you're probably slightly less
< 1354140716 819214 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have my corpus callosum
< 1354140717 864334 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all you know i could be queer as a bag of lamps
< 1354140740 126994 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're forgetting one vital thing
< 1354140748 653359 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have your corpus callosum
< 1354140752 154837 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1354140776 884349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a confident queer!
< 1354140809 531568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :queer as a bag of lampreys
< 1354140830 151666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, lampreys are notoriously rigid in their gender roles
< 1354140832 640723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Boca_de_lamprea.1_-_Aquarium_Finisterrae.JPG click for nightmare
< 1354140849 643790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind that westboro baptist church members run screaming away from
< 1354140867 968832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/nexHu.jpg
< 1354140890 916112 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, #esoteric .
< 1354140893 372301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides to click on neither link
< 1354140893 719215 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ♥ you.
< 1354140942 609044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :confidently?
< 1354140970 415392 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, first link is creepy, second link is someone counterprotesting the WBC
< 1354140996 776132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i almost feel bad linking the second because, don't feed the trolls
< 1354141020 560637 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a big sign saying "fuck this guy" must have broad applicability, though.
< 1354141024 137502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1354141028 216878 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a handy thing to keep around
< 1354141078 850795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1354141162 270073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost possible to believe that WBC is a brilliant false flag propaganda operation
< 1354141185 394271 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you look at their legal history?
< 1354141185 467116 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are such an over the top repugnant caricature of anti-gay attitudes
< 1354141208 462800 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they go on about how god hates america and protesting soldiers' funerals and such
< 1354141242 508420 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354141252 386628 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem is, half of the US population seems to be a brilliant false-flag propaganda operation
< 1354141261 289597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fred phelps has a weird history
< 1354141276 934418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he used to be a civil rights lawyer
< 1354141283 634841 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see the Chasers sketch?
< 1354141295 754609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1354141318 316898 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7iXbWsO4ik
< 1354141318 871782 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_RwdH5DTKRas/TMyECzLekvI/AAAAAAAADio/awRtOYwdvEM/s1600/god+hates+figs.jpg   I like this one
< 1354141332 718861 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1354141339 318134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the part where jesus yells at a fig tree and it dies
< 1354141355 606255 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1354141358 578426 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_RwdH5DTKRas/TMyEw-pli9I/AAAAAAAADiw/iYNSGP-bJJY/s1600/god+hates+figs+2.jpg
< 1354141410 317385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354141424 860030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what is the point of including in the bible a story where jesus is a dick to a tree
< 1354141437 106342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it serve some rhetorical purpose
< 1354141467 484205 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just one of those things stuck in to make the fans speculate wildly and write fanfiction about it
< 1354141470 424887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1354141478 170894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you mean the book of mormon?"
< 1354141479 171595 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which never gets answered in canon
< 1354141480 577321 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes XD
< 1354141484 444399 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man have you seen the new testament, it's full of crazy shit nobody reads
< 1354141488 564543 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how'd we get here from lampreys
< 1354141491 654066 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :old testament*
< 1354141498 647705 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I like the books, but christianity has a /completely/ batshit fandom"
< 1354141514 349586 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monday i found out there was a whole book i'd never heard of, that just says "god hates you you fucking shitheads" repeatedly for three pages and that's it
< 1354141517 503822 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they're almost as crazy as supernatural fans!  jeez"
< 1354141532 285341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's great when christians advocate death penalty for homosexuality but ignore the next paragraph that prescribes death penalty for wearing the wrong fabrics or eating shellfish
< 1354141545 458752 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the top weirdest bible story is the one with Zipporah and foreskins
< 1354141557 746098 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're misunderstanding the quote anyways.  it says a man who lies with another man should be stoned
< 1354141562 355494 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«On the way, at a place where they spent the night, the LORD met him and tried to kill him. But Zipporah took a flint and cut off her son's foreskin, and touched his feet with it, and said, "Truly you are a bridegroom of blood to me!" So he let him alone. It was then she said, "A bridegroom of blood by circumcision."»
< 1354141573 154968 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end
< 1354141573 871191 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's advising them that their sex is better while high, obviously
< 1354141575 656683 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :San Francisco: a man who lies with another man should get stoned
< 1354141577 466135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yessssss
< 1354141596 179122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wat
< 1354141610 674418 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it says "A man who lies with men like he lies with women"
< 1354141624 449672 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is rather specific if you think about it
< 1354141626 23412 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: exodus 4:24, look it up heathen
< 1354141633 53979 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god hates only bisexuals
< 1354141634 912649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1354141638 179455 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :male bisexuals, at that
< 1354141653 19624 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that sense god is in good company
< 1354141665 477622 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :male bisexuals who prefer specific sex positions, at that
< 1354141670 419090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1354141738 177529 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :looooooooool
< 1354141758 505980 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Male bisexuals who prefer specific sex positions, AND prefer to use the same sex positions with both sexes.
< 1354141770 649355 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's what i meant by 'specific'
< 1354141785 531922 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the bible even say anything about non-heterosexual women?
< 1354141792 298184 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically what God's saying is “treat men and women differently only when you fuck them”
< 1354141793 478968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's okay to get an anonymous bj at the train station, but you can't bring a guy home to cuddle
< 1354141798 472637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... god is a closeted gay man?
< 1354141800 551842 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Nope.
< 1354141808 793002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, no, either because girl on girl is hot or because it was the past and they hadn't realised lesbians exist yet
< 1354141820 510920 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The former)
< 1354141827 727621 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember reading the wp article about roman attitudes to sex, it's quite amusing
< 1354141838 937478 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or because the parts in question are concerned with ritual cleanliness, and male priests have more opinions on anal than on scissoring
< 1354141841 183347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a man, the most humiliating and taboo thing you could do was cunnilingus
< 1354141848 152450 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1354141860 856283 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but they still make a fuss about how horrible and sinful you are
< 1354141862 484734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't some english queen also say that there was no need to ban female homosexuality because it was logically impossible
< 1354141866 990626 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : well that's what i meant by 'specific' // it's specific in two ways: (1) it's a lying position, and (2) it's the same for both sexes
< 1354141882 490040 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Victoria, I believe
< 1354141885 324315 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, fair point
< 1354141903 526035 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was my guess too
< 1354141912 112444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, yeah, but what do you really think she was doing for those long years after albert died
< 1354141930 3624 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hunting down pirates with her bare hands?
< 1354141944 3373 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no atriq that is probably one of those stupid things you like
< 1354141950 149560 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently somehow being asexual is sinful too or something I really don't know how this works
< 1354141970 379100 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If asexuality is sinful then I am a sinner
< 1354141982 242309 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sinner high five?
< 1354141983 254167 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depression's sinful too.  medieval commentators just had not enough to do, I think.
< 1354141997 574125 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sinner high five.
< 1354141997 973144 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: be fruitful and multiply! or whatever it says
< 1354142028 773216 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, not aromantic, though, before that gets confusing
< 1354142036 712727 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1354142050 725155 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: neither am I
< 1354142053 565945 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you lie with neither men nor women, I guess you lie with both the same way
< 1354142061 779459 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aromantic is ~20% of asexuals iirc)
< 1354142089 714611 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About half of the vocal asexuals I've met are aromantic
< 1354142108 621517 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saying that, I've only ever met one other vocal asexual
< 1354142113 191938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the asexuals are highly aromatic, however.
< 1354142135 217868 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the asexual you've met was half aromantic, or
< 1354142137 239188 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: http://www.asexualawarenessweek.com/census/SiggyAnalysis-AAWCensus.pdf
< 1354142147 879646 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stats there are really interesting
< 1354142152 159079 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :N=3430
< 1354142204 565968 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1354142236 725480 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :question 15 is the best though ;)
< 1354142300 409396 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :N is not worth much without further information on the population
< 1354142316 936270 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true, there's probably some pretty significant bias, though they also have some stats-breakdown among the three websites
< 1354142325 219608 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to show possible disparities
< 1354142404 812004 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a massive bias in gender ratio
< 1354142452 343484 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that agrees with past studies though...
< 1354142454 414682 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-96-43.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1354142468 866325 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. "most asexual people are female")
< 1354142520 141353 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably some bias from it being, like, tumblr though ^^;
< 1354142522 788420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh, right, it's not a population sample
< 1354142794 719112 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :BabsSeed
< 1354142833 713598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mako.cc/copyrighteous/20121123-00 a nice article about how intellectuals compete to be ignorant of sports and how this isn't actually a good thing
< 1354142896 855621 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a definite habit of dragging your pet peeves into the channel, you know
< 1354142917 968321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of an animal is a peeve
< 1354142938 814812 :BabsSeed!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :One you don't want to meet.
< 1354142940 495401 :BabsSeed!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shudders.
< 1354142996 719005 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would have expected the title of the paper to be "anything but rap and country", kmc
< 1354143014 516580 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hmm, the statistics seem to be from the US ... I wonder how well they apply to other parts of the world
< 1354143062 149091 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and now I realized that "football" in the article probably refers to the other kind of football
< 1354143063 579378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yep
< 1354143077 533359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it happened though someone else sent this link to another channel just now
< 1354143132 467622 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like kmc's complaining
< 1354143138 444926 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta have some grumpy in your life
< 1354143147 780685 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho i produce enough for multiple people myself
< 1354143271 437941 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, interesting that heavy metal is a "less educated" kind of music according to that paper, I find that about half of the geeks here are metalheads
< 1354143300 667464 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's why i expected rap and country, that's what i'm used to nerds not liking.
< 1354143327 364635 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how in dwarf fortress the dorfs are always the 'mountain people', yet the game makes it impossible to actually embark on a mountain
< 1354143381 420136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should fix mosh so that irssi doesn't underline these non-links imo
< 1354143402 302638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by fix I mean break mosh
< 1354143404 647960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to fix irssi
< 1354143412 664221 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, do you usually "embark" on mountains?
< 1354143417 582995 :BabsSeed!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor
< 1354143418 471194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also kmc does tend to complain about the same thing multiple times over the course of a week or so
< 1354143440 684703 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, not really, you can embark on hills but that's kind of different
< 1354143449 737052 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual mountains are all off-limits
< 1354143453 71055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well to be fair so do you
< 1354143453 605033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and me
< 1354143454 807881 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone
< 1354143517 839034 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik you can only embark on journeys and vehicles
< 1354143554 950360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, i don't really notice other people repeatedly complaining about the same thing?
< 1354143574 661416 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it's generally 'you know what bugs me? " and then everyone says 'yeah me too' and that's that
< 1354143617 848207 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah me too
< 1354143618 8003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe you will complain about kmc complaining again tomorrow and I will have a concrete example
< 1354143621 901359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see the problem :p
< 1354143634 610844 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair I don't think this counts purely as repeated complaint, because kmc added new information to the sports-hate-peeve with a link
< 1354143652 80913 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well true
< 1354143673 31811 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was just the point at which i felt it worth commenting on
< 1354143909 670547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's a different angle than my complaint
< 1354143940 803597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh, the abstract of the paper says "gospel, country, rap, and heavy metal"
< 1354143957 345665 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my complaint is just that being proud of ignorance is dumb, and hypocritical coming from intellectuals
< 1354143971 720637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mako's making a point about classism and stuff
< 1354143986 418624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1354143988 330181 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the resolution is different too
< 1354143991 56836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test2
< 1354143995 264798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mako takes this as an affirmative reason to care about sports
< 1354143997 800978 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1354144024 177563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care whether people care about sports
< 1354144032 166626 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I am helping you test
< 1354144032 491749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i will have to think about this class argument more
< 1354144034 675389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :q
< 1354144046 927578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, it did what I didn't want it to do
< 1354144062 185378 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :frustrating
< 1354144062 680229 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, anti-intellectualism seems a sort of similar thing
< 1354144098 840647 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh i know, i was just making a mostly irrelevant comment on an unimportant aspect like i usually do
< 1354144128 559504 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the mathiest guy i know is a basketball fan.  maybe he can make up for my apathy to football
< 1354144155 595568 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i can pay kmc to fix this shit
< 1354144182 259226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or Phantom_Hoover
< 1354144183 106275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or olsner
< 1354144185 229482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone volunteer
< 1354144188 549448 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this shit" == lambdabot?
< 1354144192 595336 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1354144195 327094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot is just my helper
< 1354144236 372969 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use non-shit instead of shit, it's much less shittier
< 1354144249 12191 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also non-shit doesn't need to be fixed by us
< 1354144250 275316 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes elliott i will fix lambdabot 
< 1354144258 889042 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure i don't need to explain why i'm a worthy candidate
< 1354144260 515082 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently your shit is so shit it doesn't even tell me what shit it is
< 1354144301 132805 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: gonna sue your shit
< 1354144491 432645 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddammit
< 1354144495 20341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the fuck does this stuff not make sense
< 1354144521 793808 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why it doesn't respond to ctcp version, I have no recollection of configuring that
< 1354144535 434893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1354144539 137006 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1354144540 523005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit i fucked it up
< 1354144545 537037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test2
< 1354144547 692893 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what
< 1354144558 909219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaa
< 1354144559 948931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1354144568 142916 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: im help
< 1354144574 251733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn it didn't work
< 1354144657 643088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like
< 1354144658 420386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on
< 1354144714 226070 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what are you trying to do?
< 1354144736 735578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: get my awaylog formatting not fucked
< 1354144769 113233 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an awaylog and why do you have one?
< 1354144830 655906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have determined that no amount of money will help olsner solve my problem
< 1354144864 892353 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1354144872 270422 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :test
< 1354144880 899770 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: q
< 1354144889 705972 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aight
< 1354145155 524737 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@67.169.45.161 QUIT :Quit: jfischoff
< 1354145177 59834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1354145200 120697 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i would like to express my deep hatred of differential equations
< 1354145233 126825 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did they ever do to you
< 1354145282 388117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354145293 783203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they bored me to tears
< 1354145371 616307 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if you need to describe your tear to boredom ratio over time
< 1354145379 807916 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bet a diffeq would help!
< 1354145427 795785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd give it to a damn engineer
< 1354145460 856679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they're for after all
< 1354145513 392770 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you were trapped on a desert island with only a bottle of tears and a wwii-era naval cannon aim control system
< 1354145517 160968 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you model it with then!
< 1354145546 917210 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can model it with tears
< 1354145579 231911 :sebbu4!~sebbu@adijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354145612 64301 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1354145686 92615 :sebbu4!~sebbu@adijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr NICK :sebbu
< 1354145694 142227 :sebbu!~sebbu@adijon-152-1-40-118.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1354145727 684321 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, but there are no differential equations on the island to bore me to tears
< 1354145738 837190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tears were pre-prepared
< 1354145740 783783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 ur convenience
< 1354146078 710207 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354147275 640314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you know the TRUE MEANING OF EMPLOYMENT??????
< 1354147339 97929 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1354147457 939562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EMPLOYMENT IS SLAVERY.  WAR IS PEACE.  CHEESE IS FUNGUS.
< 1354147460 802913 :sirdancealot8!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1354147569 897576 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :all is fungus
< 1354147618 307160 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no fungus. There is only Zuul.
< 1354147628 509820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :är det inte fungal olsner som sitter där borta
< 1354147730 784318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.woodland-ways.co.uk/buy-online-gatekeeper-guide-to-common-fungi-598.html
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< 1354148104 616889 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :er det ikke en sopp-oerjan som sitter der?
< 1354148129 119519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if olsner is too young for the reference.
< 1354148138 748477 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reference?
< 1354148144 653082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right.
< 1354148167 663437 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the reference is.
< 1354148297 833651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a swedish sketch from 1958
< 1354148310 701845 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am indeed younger than 1958
< 1354148320 959285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so am i.
< 1354148325 543090 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the sketch even invented back then?
< 1354148338 274018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently so.
< 1354148345 437602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was sweden even invented then
< 1354148368 757596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rv-WDb2HSbQ
< 1354148591 176447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sees "ester" mentioned in the related sidebar, recalls that was funny too.  (if you understand swedish.  and can imagine a time without cell phones.)
< 1354148714 664000 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :esther is a name in english too
< 1354148734 630108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, it's biblical
< 1354148774 834859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that
< 1354148789 957104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s not relevant to the sketch, though.  afair.)
< 1354148831 277455 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the sketch about how phones are new and people don't really know how to use them?
< 1354148880 835045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the whole plot just doesn't make sense if the people could have called each other in advance, is all :P
< 1354149809 756832 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is that mocking the swedish in some way
< 1354149849 200299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the swedish as such? no.
< 1354149865 518957 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it mocking a swede then
< 1354149888 919425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1354149894 272328 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :approve!
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< 1354157517 929816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.floppytable.com/
< 1354157522 260556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if this were a real floppy disk it would hold... 75 MB
< 1354157955 796642 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1354157992 512198 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there aren't any scaling issues?
< 1354158329 371536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you need a pretty big scale for it, i'd say
< 1354158910 966537 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The parsing process in reentrant. Usually the source doesn't change during parsing, but in HTML, script tags containing document.write can add extra tokens, so the parsing process actually modifies the input."
< 1354158939 769781 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is document.write changing the input to the parser during parsing?
< 1354158957 885168 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it during javascript execution? Unless that can happen concurrently with parsing
< 1354159602 246019 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :document.lol
< 1354159629 558454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1354159635 939666 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"www.liceo.edu.mx is an example of a site that achieves a level of nesting of about 1500 tags, all from a bunch of s. We will only allow at most 20 nested tags of the same type before just ignoring them all together."
< 1354159668 15465 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Support for really broken html. We never close the body tag, since some stupid web pages close it before the actual end of the doc. Let's rely on the end() call to close things."
< 1354159865 565960 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you not tried html scraping before?  (if so I recommend continuing that course of inaction)
< 1354159886 774310 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff
< 1354160121 567299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Strong-Web-Design.aspx
< 1354160198 586024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've used python's BeautifulSoup in the past for web scraping; it is pretty reasonable
< 1354160226 462965 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but i mean, nobody writes conforming html, there's always a bunch of stupid edge cases
< 1354160244 904822 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and: the dprk's website is now all flash-based. :(
< 1354160245 177650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think in the future for any really complicated scraping i will use PhantomJS to launch a real (headless) webkit browser and execute jQuery code in the page's context
< 1354160262 159637 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...why does that sound reasonable
< 1354160274 381047 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the w3c write conforming html?
< 1354160287 239750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way you can interact with the real client javascript, all kinds of ajaxy things will work right, etc
< 1354160311 529127 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme put it this way, sgeo. http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=google.com
< 1354160323 865968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually some ajaxy sites are really easy to scrape because you can just make those same queries and get nice json
< 1354160358 729045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like this school of webapp design where you implement an API, and then you serve an entirely static blob of HTML/CSS/JavaScript which is just one of many clients that can talk to that API
< 1354160420 861971 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good to me
< 1354160557 595788 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0&user-agent=W3C_Validator%2F1.3
< 1354160629 639479 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have penetrated my exaggeration
< 1354161704 579044 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354162162 818343 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp, looks like I can still read Finnish about as well as I've ever been able to.
< 1354162189 776212 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what "ei" and "se" and "mitä" mean.  And "tietää" looks familiar.
< 1354162232 378746 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here we go, it's "to know (superficially)".
< 1354162510 666648 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mies, Haluan oppia puhumaan suomea. Minusta se näyttää todella siistiä.
< 1354162532 708928 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luulen vain pitää oppia joukko sanastoa, ja ehkä myös joitakin kieliopin kun olen sitä.
< 1354162546 359581 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen
< 1354162623 235879 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tai voisin keksiä omia sanojani, kuten "tarvuolenti".
< 1354162646 997694 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tarvuolenti" tekisi hieno suomalainen sana.
< 1354162663 562886 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laajamittainen kissanpentu dynamiikkaa.
< 1354164022 275407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘asm’
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< 1354164729 623199 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, USPS changed a package's expected delivery date to November 28th… today. That is, they changed the expected delivery date to today, today. Well after it would have been delivered. Bad estimation there, USPS.
< 1354164745 459670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :USPS tracking is a joke
< 1354164763 783232 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the package delivered today?
< 1354164765 862912 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually it goes from "we have no knowledge your package exists" straight to "your package was delivered two days ago"
< 1354165168 843695 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No.
< 1354165209 951763 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame
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< 1354173132 309770 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: update?
< 1354173144 860520 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, oh right, forgot sorry
< 1354173153 314216 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, elliott you too
< 1354173163 903280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi
< 1354173165 403972 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott elliott elliott elliott elliott
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< 1354177595 36150 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to define an operation that fits this I forget what it's called:
< 1354177606 932375 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiplication : addition :: addition : ?
< 1354177616 200182 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently playing with ln(e^a + e^b) = a ? b
< 1354177626 405965 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ? a = a + ln 2
< 1354177634 104026 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I would like is a ? a = a + 2
< 1354177730 373338 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ? 0 > 0
< 1354177740 492532 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A property of the current definition)
< 1354177773 20574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplication is repeated addition, addition is repeated successor.
< 1354177808 964460 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was hoping for a more binary operator
< 1354177920 4530 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 
< 1354177939 373219 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a suc b = a + 1
< 1354177986 876682 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION glares. One less .. trivial.
< 1354178181 817209 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm stumped
< 1354178273 120963 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that my current definition of ? is on some sort of track
< 1354178292 849768 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After all, it is doing an addition operation of some sort when a repeated value is given
< 1354178366 238107 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354178414 987990 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a ? 0 > 0 seems like a reasonable property for it to have, since presumably repeated 0 ? should be 0 + a positive
< 1354178751 836342 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1354179534 455718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropbox.com/u/113389132/Misc/20121129-weather.png oh yes that looks very promising.
< 1354179872 298048 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of a cheap hack
< 1354179922 619943 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ? b = ln(((e^2)/2)(e^a) + ((e^2)/2)(e^b))
< 1354179928 169644 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feels like cheating though
< 1354179974 363486 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I still have no idea whether the bloody thing is associative
< 1354179984 801961 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1354180122 346045 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n*a ? n*a = a + somefunction(n)
< 1354180148 738228 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where somefunction is a fixed function that I'm too lazy to work out what it is now
< 1354180189 284331 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that can't possibly work, I think
< 1354180213 380563 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by "can't possibly work", I mean "I'm wrong"
< 1354180232 869305 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n * 0 ? n * 0 surely should be the same for all n
< 1354180255 789163 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, hasty thinking about the na thing
< 1354180271 592130 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why the graph?
< 1354180285 452111 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354180291 925659 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you love graphs don't you
< 1354180328 753443 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354180396 873275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It wasn't *my* graph, it was just stolen from Foreca.
< 1354180400 513896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes, yes I do.
< 1354180429 414757 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find them a bit.... two-dimensional
< 1354180473 377959 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws oklofok into a mathematical space capabable of describing all IRC activity ever across all of time as a single point.
< 1354180478 853808 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that enough dimensions for you?
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< 1354180526 672092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can describe all IRC activity ever across all of time as a single real number; I mean, it's just a string.
< 1354180553 548151 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the underlying field was finite here.
< 1354180557 609054 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was beginning to realize that :/
< 1354180611 182750 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__ was referring to the vector space F^Z for a finite field F
< 1354180635 968018 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is just being modest
< 1354180663 898106 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :woohoo i managed to delete 15gb of shit from my hd.
< 1354180676 892899 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my os is on a 50 gb flash drive thingie whatever
< 1354180712 18022 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354180728 803309 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i've never realized this but many things in windows are hard-coded to use that particular drive (well you can change them one by one in the registry for some things).
< 1354180760 963275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think SSDs should be called QUANTUM DRIVES.
< 1354180763 345687 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the drive was like 80% full right away.
< 1354180790 666235 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized almost half of that was taken up by windows.old, which is just an old installation of windows that is used for nothing.
< 1354180818 15817 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason i didn't realize that in the 1.5 years i've had this computer is of course that you can't make win7 show you folder sizes
< 1354180863 914772 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the user data is inexplicably stored on the os drive
< 1354180923 249895 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also many shitty programs (like chrome) install on the os drive without asking you.
< 1354180932 984557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :28G     archive/hut/lktm/
< 1354180935 52977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the directory holding stuff about a book authorship machine classification thing we did as a project exercise for T-61.5020 Statistical Natural Language Processing.
< 1354180942 346660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day I should perhaps clean it up.
< 1354180954 609921 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of an asshole fucking world-rapist doesn't ask you where you wanna install the program?
< 1354181082 779934 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how in hell does everything get fucked up if i just *move* a folder, windows knows where i moved it so why can't it just automatically ask if i wanna make a link there so everything works as before!?!?!?
< 1354181107 702258 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get why everything having to do with computers has to be a piece of shit
< 1354181158 290036 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i kind of do get that, it's because programming is so fucking annoying you get bored of doing things right after a few thousand lines of code.
< 1354181170 125145 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i love to complain anyways, i guess i'm just a romantic
< 1354181215 711665 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so how's that going for ya?
< 1354181233 354800 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you download arxiv and run your classifier on it?
< 1354181247 155447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I "wanna".
< 1354181277 125462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I haven't touched the thing since 2008, I'm sure it's rotted away by now.
< 1354181280 99622 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you making fun of my typing impediment
< 1354181299 687993 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also we have some coauthored papers, could we use your thing to check which one actually wrote them?
< 1354181353 408217 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i didn't go to work today so i can move. i've been watching himym and ircing.
< 1354181354 719621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose, but it's not the good thing. There are several other things around that are better things.
< 1354181385 991715 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and those more good things that are better things, are those things objectively good things?
< 1354181468 480508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, yes. There are papers about those things, whereas our thing was just done for this course and has some dubious design choices. We've on-and-off talked about making a good thing out of it, but it's never happened.
< 1354181473 528602 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and didn't you run this sorta thing on the #esoteric logs?
< 1354181489 461110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did run it, and it was this same thing.
< 1354181498 36883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it was something slightly different.
< 1354181501 300550 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and didn't you run this sorta thing on the #esoteric logs with names changed to the guesses on the right?
< 1354181507 632254 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1354181508 993212 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1354181513 645340 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try that again :D
< 1354181536 27173 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you make a thing where you have #eso logs on the left and logs with names changed to the guesses on the right?
< 1354181549 793390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I made a confusion matrix of it.
< 1354181551 300165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls archive/hut/lktm/data/irc
< 1354181551 374101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523      augur                     ehird   GregorR    oerjan   psygnisfive
< 1354181551 374257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnMaster    conversation_lengths.txt  fizzie  lament     oklopol  SimonRC
< 1354181551 374367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka  Deewiant                  fungot  MikeRiley  pikhq    Slereah
< 1354181551 923313 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: if these are befunge-93 as they likely are, that may be handy
< 1354181557 864334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly looks #esoteric-y.
< 1354181586 276046 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION murders fizzie
< 1354181597 491536 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: you skype messaged me the other day
< 1354181600 698735 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::!
< 1354181607 117488 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes i did
< 1354181613 480257 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what of it
< 1354181624 344810 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing, random observation.
< 1354181644 275886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :./lktm/doc/figures/girls_on_top.png
< 1354181644 509698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :./lktm/doc/figures/boys_on_top.png
< 1354181651 731097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These file names are somehow suspicious.
< 1354181682 213055 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they should probably be .jpg.
< 1354181714 296580 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::! was supposed to be a smiley equivalent to the previous sentence having an exclamation mark but it doesn't really look like that.
< 1354181741 446980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant:  https://dl.dropbox.com/u/113389132/Misc/boys_on_top.png  https://dl.dropbox.com/u/113389132/Misc/girls_on_top.png  They don't mean anything, but they sure look pretty, right? 
< 1354181780 87073 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They actually look kind of jpeggy even though they're PNGs.
< 1354181798 688905 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i supposed to see something other than 404
< 1354181805 771138 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1354181814 513292 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i copied both links as the url.
< 1354181831 367608 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Maybe it's that marker/hex shape, it's kind of crummy.
< 1354181838 653897 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, I think so.
< 1354181850 717298 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that thing?
< 1354181859 819192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the U-matrix.
< 1354181869 374776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the U-matrix with markers on top.
< 1354181881 904362 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :me matrix? wow thanks :)
< 1354181914 400802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The U-matrix is the average distance between one node and its neighbours.
< 1354181926 710275 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: speaking of you and i being best friends, did i ever mentioned me and my ex discussed having you as the only guest in our wedding
< 1354181926 987222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a SOM thing.
< 1354181933 803864 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mention
< 1354181947 171605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't, and that's kind of weird.
< 1354181960 230838 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1354181992 551157 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that may be true.
< 1354182024 774651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As for the plots, the blue markers are boys, the red markers are girls, and the green markers are other things.)
< 1354182242 443653 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it helps, it's not (only??) because we were hopelessly in love with you but because you were suitably disconnected yet physically reachable and much less mystical, ethereal and dangerous than Deewiant.
< 1354182300 50948 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mystical, ethereal, and dangerous?
< 1354182303 656517 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally
< 1354182308 586248 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay.
< 1354182308 741886 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you disagree
< 1354182318 555575 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have much of an opinion.
< 1354182375 831580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey I found the confusion matrix, it's at http://zem.fi/~fis/esoconf.png and it's really boring.
< 1354182398 891037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was for some easy classification task and it actually wasn't the same thing as that thing.
< 1354182441 394584 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well dunno about dangerous, but i find it easier to believe fizzie has a physical essence, perhaps because he has mentioned being in places more.
< 1354182525 629911 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so what about those guess-who-said-it logs?
< 1354182552 9329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, it kind of sounds like work.
< 1354182556 877394 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how about an irc client that guesses who said each thing
< 1354182567 406524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game version of it has been suggested a couple of times too.
< 1354182612 716473 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well is there a version of the program you can send key-value pairs to and when you send a new value it guesses a key based on it? i could write a mirc script to do this then.
< 1354182737 358101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing as written is an offline thing, you train it with a batch of data. (And individual-line accuracy would be a bit poor, the features are simple statistics and not anything very discriminative.)
< 1354182757 99506 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic
< 1354182785 76210 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you train it with half of what x says and query the other half in one batch or something?
< 1354182825 955918 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how can individual-line accuracy be poor if the confusion matrix says i'm never confused with anyone
< 1354182842 502616 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess if someone says "okay" it's a bit hard to tell who it is
< 1354182876 227632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that plot was with 10-fold cross-validation; train with 9/10s of the data and test with the remaining tenth.
< 1354182891 738465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then average over all ten cases.
< 1354182931 974478 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see
< 1354182945 518308 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the algo something explainable?
< 1354182996 571927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The LKTM thing was a SOM thing, while the esoconf thing was really just a garden-variety SVM classifier.
< 1354183033 712675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xn--nxa.zem.fi/~fis/esoconfnf.png is a version which apparently used as test material bunched 2000-message snippets, which already makes the statistics far more variable.
< 1354183091 354340 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for vorpal and me
< 1354183121 790331 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're special
< 1354183125 479525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://p.zem.fi/esomap-feats the features; there's nothing really tuned for personal identification
< 1354183136 632672 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and sgeo
< 1354183147 366723 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i guess alise
< 1354183153 811119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xn--nxa.zem.fi/~fis/esomap34n.png how the cross-validation sets look like when projected to 2d.
< 1354183174 993478 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why all these subdomains
< 1354183294 412787 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can i be close to Deewiant
< 1354183323 890651 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does that mean anything since we're not intersecting
< 1354183355 527101 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess vorpal and fizzie win according to that graph
< 1354183361 266762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Not for any particular reason. I thought I'd make the paste site URLs "p.zem.fi/X" as opposed to "zem.fi/p/X" for some reason, and β is the dynamic-IP web server laptop at home, I keep all space-wasting useless stuff /~fis/ stuff there since zem.fi doesn't have too much disk space.
< 1354183364 509741 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that projection i mean
< 1354183410 350029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: It is a projection from 60 dimensions to 2, so some of the apparent overlaps could really be quite illusionary.
< 1354183449 298357 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does png support 60-dimensional pictures?
< 1354183468 892740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it does.
< 1354183480 159254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet JPEG does.
< 1354183488 655153 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 2d? that's a bit arbitrary
< 1354183512 239066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :JPEG is, if I remember correctly, ridiculously general.
< 1354183539 684165 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maximum JPEG image size is 65535x65535, that's not very general.
< 1354183554 273873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
< 1354183591 150556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIFF is, if I recall correctly, also quite general.
< 1354183598 442169 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIFF implementations, on the other hand, could be anything but.
< 1354183707 331859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd like to know what the "34n" means in the file name of that plot.)
< 1354183744 314391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also esomap, esomapf, esomapn and esomapnz.
< 1354183758 665839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And esomap-comp.
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< 1354202144 395323 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe there's an answer to your question among this material. anyway i haven't any information about this magic value while giving it a quick read http://www.awaresystems.be/imaging/tiff/faq.html#q3
< 1354202168 192863 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd
< 1354202601 481741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the "34n" in my "esomap34n.png" PNG file name has anything to do with the TIFF specification, to be honest.
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< 1354203662 656985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how do i get irssi to ping me even if my nick isn't at the start of a sentence
< 1354203685 468588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess /hilight elliott would work, but ew.
< 1354203689 595902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And would that catch, e.g. elliott_?)
< 1354203878 132932 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1354203900 541113 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will also catch blablahblahelliottblahblahblah
< 1354203906 590166 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that works.
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< 1354205677 612991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A manual /hilight is I think what people generally do.
< 1354205859 842587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they want to customize, that is, since the default hilight_nick_matches can't really be configurated.
< 1354205995 390697 :Mathnerd314!~quassel@palevsky-223-221.rh.uchicago.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, does Nile count as an esolang? since nobody outside of VPRI has ever heard of it? or is it just obscure?
< 1354206108 119433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which reminds me, I should probably /hilight -level QUITS -mask fungot!*@* so that I'd notice that better. If it works.
< 1354206109 457069 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: am i allowed to ask: no. you can patternmatch out the ones you mentioned, and also... check out something like " this subset gives row 3 an 8, 16, 32, 64 ( ordinary machine words).
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< 1354207916 838027 :kulymas!~kulymas@cpe-76-169-101-6.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi?
< 1354207932 110437 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey!
< 1354207937 424793 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome kulymas
< 1354207949 4364 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kulymas: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1354208010 264495 :kulymas!~kulymas@cpe-76-169-101-6.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is what happens when I click random stuff on mirc.. lol
< 1354208049 764022 :kulymas!~kulymas@cpe-76-169-101-6.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds interesting :}
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< 1354208131 442239 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, an esoteric programming language is like a programming language written to be weird in some way
< 1354208135 894935 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not useful, but weird
< 1354208264 186245 :kulymas!~kulymas@cpe-76-169-101-6.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it could be useful in illuding authorities rright?
< 1354208283 742943 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not saying they can't be useful
< 1354208286 990606 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1354208288 86032 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: to provably shortest possible equivalent code. the css may be a lot of modality in the source and sink of all of the
< 1354208297 936911 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That bot is written in an esoteric programming language
< 1354208299 592956 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source
< 1354208299 943930 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98
< 1354208335 264296 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, can esoteric programming languages be useful in eluding authorities?
< 1354208335 969809 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: then you just continue the pattern ( ( f text-formatter) name))?
< 1354208408 910777 :kulymas!~kulymas@cpe-76-169-101-6.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so pretty much like encryption?
< 1354208424 325298 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...probably not
< 1354208444 764679 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like "here's a stupid idea for a programming language, let's push it to the max!"
< 1354208508 579087 :kulymas!~kulymas@cpe-76-169-101-6.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any video games that are programed like this?
< 1354208604 287610 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I don't know
< 1354208606 897934 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1354208618 690299 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an interactive fiction game in brainfuck
< 1354208679 49307 :kulymas!~kulymas@cpe-76-169-101-6.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds cool :}
< 1354208700 446622 :kulymas!~kulymas@cpe-76-169-101-6.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to speak brainfuck
< 1354208828 175948 :kulymas!~kulymas@cpe-76-169-101-6.socal.res.rr.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the info, I'll come back to this another day. For now, back to java
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< 1354209507 160056 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354209546 665692 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reeeeeeeeplicators
< 1354209561 369814 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the reeeeeeeeeeplicators!
< 1354209599 843231 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not even a single clicking sound all episode
< 1354209990 199021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why do mentions of my nick in the middle of a line highlight the nick of the person who wrote it differently? :(
< 1354210080 933486 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354210091 439660 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello mroman 
< 1354210119 645454 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you tell me what language the interpreter at http://esolangs.org/wiki/MIX is written in?
< 1354210139 910445 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, Python, it looks like
< 1354210149 32826 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1354210162 714398 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what is the counter, what is the index, and what is mix?
< 1354210190 180585 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm assuming the counter is an instruction pointer that you can modify from flow control
< 1354210208 18685 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm assuming the index is some kind of data pointer
< 1354210227 988336 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there doesn't seem to be a way to access that data
< 1354210244 544921 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi
< 1354210249 617155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello elliott
< 1354210253 502042 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1354210286 945542 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello elliott
< 1354210290 676931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good
< 1354210307 360226 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :test elliott
< 1354210348 446570 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:31:57 * hackagebot MemoTrie 0.6.1 - Trie-based memo functions  http://hackage.haskell.org/package/MemoTrie-0.6.1 (ConalElliott)
< 1354210351 820590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this line highlights me now :(
< 1354210381 526070 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ConalElliott: Like elliott, but shaped like a cone!
< 1354210433 749308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Hey, can you do /me test elliotttest
< 1354210437 116066 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1354210448 486815 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION test testelliott
< 1354210454 757605 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION test eliotttest
< 1354210506 141091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1354210507 644036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok hmm
< 1354210541 447835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well
< 1354210576 504684 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only want to match on \ right
< 1354210597 748110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1354210604 574934 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this behaviour is mostly acceptable since "elliott_:"
< 1354210623 135445 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just annoying that it highlights weirdly for /mes
< 1354210632 720700 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(highlights my nick rather than the nick of the person saying it, unlike normal messages)
< 1354210664 880134 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see the same, got used to it
< 1354210710 671469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least irssi is behaving mostly usably now
< 1354211005 877298 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1354211009 44933 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use the \ type matching in irssi. it works fine. matches in every context that someone uses my full name
< 1354211828 136366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can give flags (-nick, -word or -line) that control what the hilight looks like. I think -nick should hilight the speaker's name. But I'm not terribly sure; maybe it no work for /me, since -nick is the default anyway.
< 1354211872 513757 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I set -nick and it didn't show that it was -nick in the /hilight list
< 1354211878 137838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I assumed it dropped it because it's "default"
< 1354212728 363841 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1354212729 665215 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354212779 988929 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354212786 6053 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1354213056 775225 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1354213179 640090 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354213585 282821 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204]
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< 1354217507 617336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropbox.com/u/113389132/Misc/poirot-wtf.png  BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN
< 1354217551 338252 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe it means Wednesday-Thursday-Friday, as my wife suggests.
< 1354217577 596790 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm presuming "CHELSEAN" means Chelsea, roughly
< 1354217598 553884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "of Chelsea" in this case.
< 1354217602 893575 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could also be "Chelsea's".
< 1354217614 486924 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second word, I have no idea
< 1354217621 533943 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuckanately
< 1354217623 227124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flower show.
< 1354217634 884260 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1354217635 547613 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that explains that
< 1354217663 955710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe "flower exhibition" is closer.
< 1354217679 459578 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, the Chelsea Flower Show is a thing
< 1354217979 398648 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354217986 509077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1354217988 395821 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1354217988 469541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For context, YLE (the Finnish national broadcast company) is showing 38 first episodes of the David Suchet Poirot TV show, two/weekend.
< 1354218020 147114 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was leaning out his window
< 1354218031 311383 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To see if the bread was being made
< 1354218099 334476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that happened too.
< 1354218115 603682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it was already some weeks ago.
< 1354218176 605465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TV adaptations seem to switch things around quite a bit. I think this Chelsea Flower Show thing was originally a Marple story.
< 1354218212 592326 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that's the only Poirot ending I know
< 1354218226 815090 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My gran always flicks because she's seen them before
< 1354218282 765481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1354218302 48028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen these before a long enough time ago that I don't remember them; but I've reread them more recently. At least there's the "let's see how much they changed" element of surprise, though.
< 1354218316 497139 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354218463 861067 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you start the fortress yet?
< 1354218475 113197 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: no
< 1354218478 814548 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping me later at night and I will
< 1354218486 212199 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is night!
< 1354218490 580177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1354218493 31649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is evening
< 1354218493 831206 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But later at night I'll be asleep!
< 1354218505 805141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is your fault
< 1354218517 126053 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, god man get with `the program'
< 1354218545 935893 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never go to sleep the day before you intend to wake up
< 1354218564 445451 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel as if Phantom_Hoover is mocking me
< 1354218623 102207 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still not confident that you actually sleep
< 1354218769 908235 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott sleeps on a cycle of weeks, not hours
< 1354218780 539706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lion sleeps tonight.
< 1354218792 457284 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but that's in the jungle!
< 1354218800 638576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :much like elliott!
< 1354218936 278151 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point
< 1354219350 358226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1354219464 341977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey elliott is it night yet
< 1354219486 32240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354219521 260910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1354219568 90860 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You heard him, ais523 
< 1354219606 435520 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get out
< 1354219614 144486 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't want your sort here any more
< 1354219689 901949 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :random thought: befunge with the additional constraint that instructions that have already been executed are treated as no-ops
< 1354219711 396762 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub-tc, i think
< 1354219717 349033 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd have to replicate using g and p or something
< 1354219724 990065 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :muriel is tc isn't it?
< 1354219736 383705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much overhead in befunge's case though
< 1354219742 376861 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider that it takes at least one step to write one cell
< 1354219745 662785 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen a Befunge-93 program which replicated itself six times
< 1354219753 789967 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it did have intern loops to do that replication
< 1354219758 196891 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can manage a 1:1 ratio per tick at most
< 1354219760 89293 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1354219767 366593 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok that's a pretty good argument
< 1354219775 991631 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, as that's the ABSOLUTE MAXIMUM
< 1354219791 524556 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're going to be destroying instructions faster than you can generate them
< 1354219814 150733 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon there'll be a negative amount of instructions!
< 1354219844 21764 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1354219858 887123 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so I've got to think about another way to limit flow control
< 1354219884 776802 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make self-modification necessary and not just as data storage
< 1354219914 968781 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, I actually wonder how Befunge can ever be tc
< 1354219924 960107 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the size of integers on the stack is bounded
< 1354219945 536931 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then p and g can only access cells which are in the boundaries
< 1354219958 228521 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you take the 80*25 limitation out
< 1354219970 265790 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess I should take a better look at funge-98
< 1354219986 714061 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but not before sheppard saves the galaxy once or twice)
< 1354220003 743983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it has control flow other than p and g?
< 1354220013 418026 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's shepard, and are you playing mass effect?
< 1354220018 320747 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has it
< 1354220020 507090 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1354220020 641827 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't play mass effect, only pain and misery awaits
< 1354220031 161347 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was talking about stargate
< 1354220039 23229 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man
< 1354220046 736981 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :popular name for galaxy savers
< 1354220100 964143 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :last sg-1 episode they flied to atlantis, blew up a wraith ship, accidentally destroying an invincible ori ship from the other galaxy in the process
< 1354220132 368108 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1354220143 778341 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's gotta be a supervillain team-down or something
< 1354220169 756591 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then last atlantis episode there were REPLICATORS
< 1354220179 28738 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so great my lines have started to sync!
< 1354220189 123469 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not...
< 1354220205 87387 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354221176 191764 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354221779 932117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
< 1354222203 137454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1354222456 442194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just realized a simple solution for broken html in websites
< 1354222478 902100 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :care about sharing it with us?
< 1354222484 976708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all we have to do is convince google to, like, halve their page rank.
< 1354222508 237822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poof* nearly all get corrected.
< 1354222523 713515 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does google pass html validator?
< 1354222530 215420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no f idea
< 1354222572 260243 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hahaha
< 1354222574 966169 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brilliant.
< 1354222593 939434 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: nope.
< 1354223349 353721 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354223457 984296 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've invoked the wrath of the mathematicians with the following esoteric statement: "let's get rid of zero!"
< 1354223473 144304 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: http://scientopia.org/blogs/goodmath/2012/11/27/lets-get-rid-of-zero/
< 1354223489 880021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: that's yours?
< 1354223493 892142 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1354223494 365611 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1354223494 805985 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1354223495 955426 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i remember you 
< 1354223498 821690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no KICK #esoteric rapido :rapido
< 1354223506 837485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1354223506 860538 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1354223511 30167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION applauds
< 1354223632 277667 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«An Account is balanced when Debit and Credit are equal. Such a balanced Account can be interpreted as (being in the equivalence class of) a zero but we won’t.» beautiful
< 1354223832 44982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the history here
< 1354223881 723447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idiot invents new number system, acts like he's fixed some glaring flaw in arithmetic
< 1354223895 490030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like brainfuck derivatives in many ways
< 1354223951 243603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean what did rapido do here before
< 1354223967 689857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if being a crackpot were a crime in #esoteric then surely the channel would be empty
< 1354223976 455170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog rapido
< 1354224010 61571 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-04-20.txt:21:50:49:  and you define a function that takes x^x - it is still finite - but slow
< 1354224043 500853 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1354224155 48052 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog rapido
< 1354224164 409668 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.20529
< 1354224201 188296 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan
> 1354224201 262398 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1354224210 461954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan
> 1354224210 484890 NAMES :#esoteric
< 1354224236 379275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i demand oerjan remains op
< 1354224241 176172 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :« pikhq: i don't see it as a problem - i see it as a opportunity» i like this guy a lot
< 1354224433 539417 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodness, that guy was fun. Terrible, but fun.
< 1354224451 864312 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354224459 370736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1354224470 877083 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :other topic
< 1354224563 398072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.nl... isn't that swedish
< 1354224572 821029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no.
< 1354224583 324326 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone ever considered the factoradic number system?
< 1354224590 553417 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have 0
< 1354224623 75457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: dutch
< 1354224631 767078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1354224641 84740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: depends what you mean by factoradic
< 1354224641 397843 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, .nu is swedish?
< 1354224661 225483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's a swedish word.  the domain is nauru in the pacific, iirc
< 1354224731 807330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh niue actually
< 1354224732 668648 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a Dutch finitist: all this started with Brouwer of course
< 1354224769 336023 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course lazy evaluation if not very finitist
< 1354224801 280099 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/if/is/
< 1354224881 889393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well lazy evaluation is approximately codata, codata is constructive, does that mean it's also finitist?
< 1354224908 965333 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, but what about lazy infinite lists?
< 1354224931 859421 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354224943 387588 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still struggling with the evaluation model
< 1354224944 847728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: that's codata.  you can ask to get any finite index, and that can be finite to compute.
< 1354224982 597329 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i read about that - i don't really grasp it
< 1354225000 791774 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus it's bullshit, amirite?
< 1354225018 604411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :codata means you can always go one level deeper in finite time, or approximately so.
< 1354225025 116624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well if you are finitist enough then the set of indices is finite.
< 1354225034 815051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1354225052 25820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that wasn't a joke...
< 1354225058 536251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know
< 1354225060 730491 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think codata are actually streams
< 1354225062 536370 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/ralf.hinze/publications/CEFP09.pdf
< 1354225074 49684 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a correct assumption?
< 1354225075 709277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like streams are a type of codata...
< 1354225184 428042 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "thus it's bullshit, amirite?" - no, i didn't give it the thought that it needs
< 1354225229 237430 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm all for stream algebras: how do they match with codata?
< 1354225315 737277 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1354225322 702389 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are codata more general than streams?
< 1354225326 26413 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope he finds it
< 1354225349 635098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an infinite binary tree is also codata, for example
< 1354225388 880520 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354225554 651994 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a stream of ever growing binary trees?
< 1354225612 742969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you could encode it that way.
< 1354225634 99826 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1354225649 41361 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354225710 323858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's probably always a way to encode things as a stream if you make the encoding convoluted enough.
< 1354225759 463674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :big ass power outage in my neighborhood
< 1354225768 846296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the power went out at work and everyone was like "... guess i'll go home now"
< 1354225813 409903 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone willing to give me an esoteric idea on a number system that really rocks?
< 1354225816 6156 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lights are going out all over new lancaster
< 1354225838 968945 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc may not see them lit in our time
< 1354225840 192799 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: like using pi or e as the base?
< 1354225876 420185 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that yes!
< 1354225892 60610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that except not boring
< 1354225906 667809 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :factorial numbers have a mixed base
< 1354225917 678321 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still boring
< 1354225934 138129 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds
< 1354225938 424375 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so numbers are boring?
< 1354225944 376565 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1354225963 380406 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354225987 918378 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Base Ulysses S Grant
< 1354226002 50138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :base goedel
< 1354226051 145687 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, getting more interesting
< 1354226071 557556 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quater-imaginary's pretty neat, though probably old hat in the doubtless thriving Weird Number Representations community
< 1354226108 191875 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :base e^ipi
< 1354226125 898148 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, been done
< 1354226141 495864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp (0 :+ pi)
< 1354226143 211755 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (-1.0) :+ 1.2246467991473532e-16
< 1354226152 28184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so.
< 1354226171 498275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't have needed to calculate it, in fact.
< 1354226187 842472 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :octonions with an quartenion base  and beyond!
< 1354226237 89569 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sedenions are the future
< 1354226238 82545 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'll drop the exclamation marks, they look silly)
< 1354226301 426194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer the 32ions because they are totally algebraically uninteresting
< 1354226329 491567 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they look rather not working
< 1354226345 312427 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they aren't power associative, so i don't think using them as radices would work well (ha)
< 1354226365 339066 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's a good one!
< 1354226379 262538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they form a non-associative semicategory
< 1354226381 356311 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, exclamation mark - sorry
< 1354226411 790896 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a good one
< 1354226424 23031 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but they aren't power associative, so i don't think using them as radices would work well (ha)"
< 1354226432 953158 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1354226522 781950 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, wait
< 1354226523 649312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1354226530 362790 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't even form a category
< 1354226531 509214 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow
< 1354226607 424751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :challenge: come up with a structure that doesn't form a category (VERY HARD)
< 1354226625 685040 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Stonehenge?
< 1354226626 968286 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :your brain?
< 1354226639 667313 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido, dude what do you think dendrites are
< 1354226665 867879 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the arrows of the category of dendrites
< 1354226684 586035 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thoughts about arrows
< 1354226735 830160 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow whoops i was almost taking this seriously for a second.
< 1354226764 470124 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 80% of what I say is intended as a joke
< 1354226770 81456 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including that, and this.
< 1354226792 556145 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh.
< 1354226872 757399 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke language that takes itself seriously for 80%
< 1354227246 343479 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi elliott 
< 1354227252 234530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it later tonight yet
< 1354227408 91035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite
< 1354227409 966043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but approaching it
< 1354227527 4520 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1354227912 257397 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi
< 1354227952 981559 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1354228099 410483 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1354228336 342698 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know what I "love"?
< 1354228340 984549 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When umount blocks for no reason.
< 1354228364 581485 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, tell elliott to start the succession game
< 1354228378 960215 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, there are certain parameters to it that may help you
< 1354228386 936601 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, also I presume you checked lsof?
< 1354228401 503389 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or fuser, whichever you prefer)
< 1354228405 304465 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1354228424 840210 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you still not started the succession game....
< 1354228425 584121 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, try umount -r ?
< 1354228460 772168 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or umount -f if it is a network filesystem
< 1354228481 394810 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, also umount -l might work for you
< 1354228494 470043 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-148-182.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1354228499 373930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, you could join in!
< 1354228511 373032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you say you have no idea how to play df: neither does elliott!
< 1354228528 702579 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott seems to have more of an idea than i do!!
< 1354228555 969471 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but elliott is also a total idiot!
< 1354228654 52187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already asked monqy to join
< 1354228655 243495 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he didn't
< 1354228708 817163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: watch rw play muie
< 1354228732 14636 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fast does it grind to a halt
< 1354228763 206361 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in memory leakage wise
< 1354228869 825324 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is muie?
< 1354228929 569580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: mummy ice elementalist
< 1354228937 50240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it has limited memory use so it just GC-pauses
< 1354228938 761520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gets slower
< 1354228945 27705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ok watch
< 1354229025 709629 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :expert musu play here
< 1354229065 137063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you guessed the AI rule
< 1354229067 838505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: it's simpler than it looks
< 1354229082 699424 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of hard with how often it pauses
< 1354229111 858771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: should i spoil it
< 1354229410 910981 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1354229616 423151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily chickens out again
< 1354229977 161214 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1354230333 431403 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1354230670 181525 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott in an hour it will be tomorrow morning
< 1354230683 435166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIES
< 1354230695 563496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about 23 hours.
< 1354230703 827528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, 24.
< 1354230720 243961 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's norwegian tomorrow morning
< 1354230730 493765 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :time relatively flies when you're having fun
< 1354230759 711732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's what night means
< 1354230801 941415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you bastard i have to be up for 9 tomorrow
< 1354230805 213273 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354230815 690733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's your problem
< 1354230822 937195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: btw i'm thinking of banning dfhack use :,)
< 1354230831 572602 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1354230840 409768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well then i shall make sure not to use it
< 1354230855 412497 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i disable the command line or something
< 1354230872 906675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: what if i force you to termcast the terminal running dfhcak
< 1354230874 317764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dfhack
< 1354230878 368485 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and monitor you
< 1354230882 790800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you type in any commands
< 1354230885 802269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i make a new brainfuck derivative
< 1354230890 197889 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about digv!
< 1354230906 786121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :di(cheat)g(ing)v
< 1354230979 998017 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about
< 1354230982 112118 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :catsplosion
< 1354230997 946836 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl QUIT :Quit: rapido
< 1354231020 774982 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH
< 1354231023 784988 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why you cannot be trusted
< 1354231396 711664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im trustworthy!
< 1354232089 459007 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
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< 1354233506 547654 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In Mascarpone, an interpreter is a map that takes symbols to operations, and an operation is a sequence of symbols that is given meaning by some interpreter.
< 1354233506 786907 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, this is a circular definition, but that doesn't seem unreasonable"
< 1354233517 729494 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Ocaml doesn't seem to agree
< 1354233577 623819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :circular type?  just add a datatype definition for symbol i assume...
< 1354233602 93051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually why would that be necessary...
< 1354233610 708931 :Robdgreat!~rob@unaffiliated/robdgreat PART :#esoteric
< 1354233629 844240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1354233667 147767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...there's not mascarpone on the wiki.
< 1354233669 203152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no
< 1354233677 973971 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/projects/mascarpone/README.markdown.html
< 1354233743 848460 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi elliott 
< 1354233746 984840 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tomorrow now
< 1354233755 302267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"New operations can be defined as strings of symbols, and these symbols are given meaning by an interpreter that is "captured" in the definition, similar to the way that lexical variables are captured in closures in functional languages."
< 1354233793 843651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah, gimme a few minutes
< 1354233812 51659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that means you can cheat by having it map to a function instead.
< 1354233827 64033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i vaguely recall the implementation did that, or was it emmental...
< 1354233847 982264 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well implementing emmental was surprinsigly easy
< 1354233859 438361 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just stored new symbols as a list of symbols
< 1354233878 295570 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you're looking for the definition of a symbol, you look for it in the list of definitions
< 1354233910 936516 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when you've find it, you look for the definition of each symbol in the definition, in the tail of the list of definitions
< 1354233921 347323 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mascarpone is slightly more tricky
< 1354233935 881787 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was planning to have some kind of functions yes
< 1354233952 487008 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's all so abstract
< 1354233959 819088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of some of ais523's problems with Feather.
< 1354233978 484676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is also ridiculously meta-circular.
< 1354234059 377983 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I have no idea what "the way that lexical variables are captured in closures in functional languages" is
< 1354234111 985391 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you tell me more about feather?
< 1354234143 174843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he can't
< 1354234144 955474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody can
< 1354234149 354079 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? feather
< 1354234152 799151 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :feather? ¯\(°_o)/¯
< 1354234157 14689 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even hackego can
< 1354234186 7665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahha
< 1354234186 81189 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously, feather's a vague concept wrapped in years of in-jokes
< 1354234188 823398 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the meaning there is that interpreters "close over" operations in that you can't get the operation "out" of the interpreter except in the way specified in that interpreter's semantics
< 1354234197 701102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1354234301 772664 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the interpreter that is captured in the operation
< 1354234342 69217 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah, other way around
< 1354234348 392881 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way I see it an interpreter is a (symbol * operation list) list
< 1354234380 350141 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an operation is (symbol list) * interpreter
< 1354234381 94193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: yeah that doesn't work for the bottom interpreter
< 1354234390 181124 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1354234410 695100 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so interpreter would be something like Null | Initial | New of (symbol * operation list) list
< 1354234419 271113 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so technically it's potentially not infinite
< 1354234423 183572 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that would be ok by me
< 1354234431 410721 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have a hard time explaining that to ocaml
< 1354234456 343099 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's no equivalent to the "let rec x = f(y) and y = g(x)" for types
< 1354234484 296199 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, if I define operations first, ocaml is gonna tell me it doesn't know what "interpreter" means
< 1354234484 928829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is probably better to see an operation as some function performing whatever action the operation actually should perform.
< 1354234496 411513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i would guess that's what the implementation does.
< 1354234496 669007 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ok, I'll try to do it that way
< 1354234502 715133 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, perhaps i'm misunderstanding the page, but it seems just like reified environments
< 1354234515 432202 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to look at chris' implementation before I do my own
< 1354234624 712639 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, how do you put strings on the stack?
< 1354234642 336639 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, nevermind, it's obvious.
< 1354234699 931603 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi elliott it has been a few minutes
< 1354234708 646097 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want more minutes
< 1354234909 549969 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the wiki seems to handle the /// page badly
< 1354234936 815380 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, "Slashes" is the redirect and /// the page, so /// is categorized, but links to /// directly don't work
< 1354234937 349291 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, mw uses / for subpages
< 1354235010 423241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell atriq  My son looks a bit like me, he can put away the plates after dinner now thanks to edwardk! <-- hum...
< 1354235010 735670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1354235035 516667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i sometimes nag elliott about that.
< 1354235042 469442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: someone is porting Mosh to AIX
< 1354235050 432751 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha
< 1354235051 336030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not in the main namespace of esolang
< 1354235065 522134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not about subpages.
< 1354235069 824531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about me being irresponsible.
< 1354235078 817877 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irresponsible
< 1354235081 155206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as we agree on that!
< 1354235082 80925 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good name for an esolang
< 1354235087 464457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How's the Android port doing?
< 1354235088 990573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is mosh available for plan 9 yet
< 1354235095 797586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually mosh does something that plan 9 should never be made to do
< 1354235146 829041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it used to work at the time /// was a featured language, but somehow it broke again.
< 1354235149 506581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: somebody has a fork of connectbot that does mosh
< 1354235151 101504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which
< 1354235174 427434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also did you see http://content.dell.com/us/en/enterprise/d/campaigns/xps-linux-laptop.aspx
< 1354235181 470152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: which what
< 1354235182 754260 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if we tried \/\/\/
< 1354235187 326837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I broke it
< 1354235187 546582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an ultrabook-ish laptop from dell that comes with ubuntu
< 1354235208 475550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is also like all cloud and shit
< 1354235266 923718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: by upgrading, i assumed?
< 1354235275 386701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yep.
< 1354235282 589225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with the resolution?
< 1354235300 523619 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: no
< 1354235304 459921 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I changed the config
< 1354235349 735932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking!
< 1354235365 171324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: "I'm actually not sure what concatenative exactly mean". it means that syntactic concatenation denotes semantic composition
< 1354235378 269790 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1354235388 220285 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing more?
< 1354235389 460555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :broadly, it means that if you get two valid programs and append their sources, the meaning of the resulting program is the function composition of those two programs
< 1354235402 17859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in a traditional stack language, your semantics are a function from stacks to stacks)
< 1354235402 256193 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'nothing more'?  but that's cool
< 1354235408 193230 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something monoids
< 1354235423 376488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have 3 3 + that's the composition of the program that takes a stack and pushes 3 to it, that same program again, and the program that takes two elements off the top of the stack, adds them, and pushes the result back
< 1354235432 304724 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes that's the idea in carriage
< 1354235434 733200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which gives you a program which pushes 6 to a stack
< 1354235448 325234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't think you need an identity for this to be well-defined, actually
< 1354235453 214207 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a semigroup
< 1354235471 143233 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I mean, apart from possible nameclashes in more complex languages
< 1354235489 182915 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that many many languages are concatenative
< 1354235490 102970 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no?
< 1354235519 576579 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :many actual real programming languages?
< 1354235520 536511 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1354235540 475224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can sort of argue that C is sort of concatenative kind of, but not really
< 1354235567 483635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i concatenative
< 1354235577 929024 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the fact that you need a function called main is embarrassing
< 1354235672 473226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott why do i get the sense you are not doing anything relating to dwarf fortress
< 1354235720 758531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess ocaml fits better than C
< 1354235738 280090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: a minute ok
< 1354235739 842935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!
< 1354235747 768173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait what about imports
< 1354235755 723239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can ocaml have those anywhere
< 1354235765 970672 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, anywhere
< 1354235768 225923 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure
< 1354235783 981493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell must have them at the top, alas
< 1354235788 962035 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAHA
< 1354235790 579220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also has that pesky main
< 1354235800 91593 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ocaml is better than Haskell THERE YOU HAVE IT
< 1354235817 798745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell has a better name and logo though
< 1354235836 647183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed that was so you could chase imports without reading the whole file
< 1354235839 610542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am glad haskell makes you organise imports reasonably
< 1354235845 905788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well haskell has to process modules to parse
< 1354235847 764869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because fixity
< 1354235868 916282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's a separate last parsing step now
< 1354235879 302094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so guys do you all know about alonzo church's son dating haskell curry's daughter
< 1354235892 962029 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because everyone should know that
< 1354235896 312974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: vaguely rings a bell
< 1354235902 729512 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've heard of it before
< 1354235923 211533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should be able to query the unicode character database via DNS
< 1354235940 145356 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are the CS paparazzi when you need 'em
< 1354235945 955326 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think that was superturing's origin story)
< 1354235990 389483 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1354235992 86528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that is the coolest thing ever
< 1354235995 789700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Any idea why UnicodeData.txt is incomplete?
< 1354235997 695237 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both superturing's parents are functional?
< 1354236003 45374 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocker
< 1354236011 818969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is?
< 1354236014 734020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do yo umean
< 1354236033 837030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't contain a bunch of codepoints.
< 1354236048 440337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like U+3456 㑖
< 1354236086 813349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm referring to ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/UnicodeData.txt
< 1354236092 89607 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1354236097 638737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where else should I get my up-to-date Unicode information?
< 1354236098 640247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Qed. 㑖
< 1354236254 518134 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a weird-looking character.
< 1354236268 74893 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :人 + 仲. Really?
< 1354236282 404012 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1354236290 780142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, 人 is also not in there.
< 1354236298 92773 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is of course 人 + 中)
< 1354236312 398350 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The *hell*?
< 1354236317 607548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd think U+4EBA would be there, right?
< 1354236328 12958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's missing all those what'sitcalled characters.
< 1354236350 407993 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. 人 was definitely in the first Unicode version with CJK.
< 1354236360 49642 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The typical kindergartner knows it.
< 1354236368 128272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only some of these characters display here. :(
< 1354236369 339750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's not actually a big box?
< 1354236378 980866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i got a double width replacement box :3
< 1354236455 622124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Maybe it's just not part of UnicodeData.Txt
< 1354236458 11899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/T/t/
< 1354236492 523342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/CJKRadicals.txt seems to have it.
< 1354236508 839485 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense. It *is* a radical.
< 1354236529 463530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't I get one file with all the codepoints in a uniform format?
< 1354236542 181871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought UnicodeData.txt was supposed to be complete!
< 1354236570 251711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help
< 1354236615 236694 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so elliott how 'bout that minute huh
< 1354236656 9258 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about some more minutes
< 1354236680 436018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/BidiMirroring.txt
< 1354236683 902795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ☝
< 1354236693 507041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I should've known about that.
< 1354236733 280136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha nice
< 1354236767 944126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf "PARAPHRASE BRACKET"
< 1354236770 213530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who uses that
< 1354236969 388676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ftp://ftp.unicode.org/Public/UNIDATA/NamesList.txt
< 1354236972 124746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's the file I need.
< 1354236983 492361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I'll need to write a more complicated program to process that. :-(
< 1354237069 627318 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I understand what @/expand is for in macarphone.
< 1354237093 418079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea of a kid who loves Japan and always reads about Japan on the Internet (like you do) but doesn't have Japanese fonts
< 1354237101 860617 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so he thinks that Japanese people use a writing system where you put four hex digits in a box
< 1354237104 954523 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and learns to read this
< 1354237163 748470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that sounds like the plot to a really bad short story
< 1354237172 670088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1354237187 446095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :better as a minor character detail in a story
< 1354237199 584524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the han characters in unicode ordered in any particular way?
< 1354237205 90382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by stroke or something
< 1354237210 609960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're ordered by codepoint.
< 1354237242 294923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1354237263 904068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :19F0	KHMER SYMBOL TUTEYASAT * represents the second Ashadha in the lunar calendar during the Adhikameas leap year
< 1354237266 774030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is great.
< 1354237275 987181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of details UnicodeData.txt doesn't have.
< 1354237303 171307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@+		These form a set of four quine corners, for quincuncial arrangement. They are also used in upper and lower pairs in mathematic, or more rarely in editorial usage as alternatives to half brackets.
< 1354237303 562814 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1354237312 210624 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1354237318 784367 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff
< 1354237336 50376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These form a set of four corner brackets and are used editorially. They are distinguished from mathematical floor and ceiling characters. Occasionally quine corners are substituted for half brackets.
< 1354237368 433304 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1354237397 839086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This style is sometimes known as open-face or blackboard-bold. Double-struck symbols already encoded in the Letterlike Symbols block and omitted here to avoid duplicate encoding. Considerable variation in font style is acceptable, as long as the glyphs retain the visual element of doubled strokes.
< 1354237414 794874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1F374	FORK AND KNIFE = restaurant, meal * glyph may show a fork and spoon * glyph may show a crossed fork and knife * glyph may show a fork and knife with a plate
< 1354237466 692172 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like all the emoticons, myself
< 1354237475 634796 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc there are some ones for catgirlfaces
< 1354237484 498120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you want to be in the succession fort......
< 1354237490 448521 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk
< 1354237555 46920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :{
< 1354237605 229562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : kmc: that sounds like the plot to a really bad short story <-- reminds me of a part of the plot to a book series about swedish (i think?) immigrants to america.  one guy got this swedish-english phrase book and learned it by heart.  only when he tried to speak with americans did he discover that english isn't spoken as it is spelled.
< 1354237650 487145 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But does the name list have 1F4A9 PILE OF POO?
< 1354237682 58691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :        = dog dirt
< 1354237694 527227 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ook
< 1354237734 564933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1F4A0   DIAMOND SHAPE WITH A DOT INSIDE = kawaii, cute * meaning of cuteness is based on association of glyph with shape of a flower
< 1354237811 604452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: haha
< 1354237937 648206 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :💠
< 1354237954 243156 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :🍴
< 1354238127 821270 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1354238157 284339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1354238166 677978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i want to start the fortress but it's impossible to play df properly without listening to its background music but i don't want to :{
< 1354238184 6711 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what if you get over your issue w/ its background music
< 1354238239 423432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those things take time, monqy 
< 1354238260 478369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: df has atmosphere
< 1354238281 207238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains why the dorfs don't all croak immediately
< 1354240332 333383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :typical, i get at least 40 http://ompldr.org/vZ2kycw/iqtest.PNG
< 1354240379 308498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: lens now allows you to implement unsafeCoerce
< 1354240390 395075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"exciting new feature?"
< 1354240390 501611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yay!
< 1354240520 365518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i can find no reasonably canonical interpretation that gives one of the numbers listed.
< 1354240535 820391 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354240541 896505 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda wonder... are there any ARM systems-on-a-chip that can do über-low-latency sound processing?
< 1354240566 470138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the question is "how many squares do you see", btw)
< 1354240637 105751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see 1024000
< 1354240642 579255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all very little
< 1354240648 785918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1354240666 387102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: there are SoC's with integrated DSP
< 1354240703 140112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do 'you' get it
< 1354240721 501885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a combination of that and running a RTOS on the ARM part should suffice for many things
< 1354240770 479769 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1354240785 811463 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the main CPU a lot faster?
< 1354240797 324740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends what you are doing i guess
< 1354240811 164934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know really
< 1354240916 685381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: some small electric pixies explained it to me.
< 1354241055 260874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if i may be a housecat http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/121129.html
< 1354241058 240305 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sound synthesis
< 1354241095 335896 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :physical modelling algo with a delay line, bandpass filter, nonlinearity, exciter plus a bunch of effects
< 1354241169 707887 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354241201 222167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome c00kiemon5ter
< 1354241205 272411 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1354241233 171186 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy Fiora there was an update a bit earlier
< 1354241277 888924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has occured to me that the itflabtijtslwi deadfish could be converted to use decimal (and so allow bigger numbers) if i could just find a way to do multiplication in a fixed number of substitution commands.
< 1354241285 421908 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai o/
< 1354241292 841036 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: tbh I've never worked with DSPs
< 1354241305 103662 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc : mostly because you never get access to them anyways
< 1354241310 308741 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on cell phones)
< 1354241395 974761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i _think_ i can reduce to sorting a list of unary numbers
< 1354241588 875605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i still don't know how to do.
< 1354242086 321378 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah on cell phones it's almost impossible to get low latency
< 1354242120 48241 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are built for angry birds and youtube, not for music
< 1354242137 594530 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, making music that is... consuming music is a-ok of course)
< 1354242149 86345 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even angry birds is a stretch
< 1354242156 187462 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they're not that good at any of it.
< 1354242159 742143 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp, got my new business cards.
< 1354242163 206152 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Printed on the back of playing cards.
< 1354242172 905760 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I saw. Those things are awesome.
< 1354242199 582212 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still unsure X-D
< 1354242212 594099 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shoulda made it pony themed.
< 1354242228 687612 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, maybe not.
< 1354242239 814681 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think “they're playing cards” is plenty eccentric.
< 1354242251 524739 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean "instead of playing cards".
< 1354242274 871915 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you actually play cards with 'em?
< 1354242283 124533 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But whatever. There's many ways of being eccentric, and all of them pretty nice.
< 1354242305 400442 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes.
< 1354242316 605015 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Except that he won't have a deck for long.
< 1354242328 30034 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ok, he can just downgrade to Pinochle.
< 1354242361 657081 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a real, complete deck of playing cards, yes, but I don't intend to use them as such since that would defeat the whole “business card” thing ;)
< 1354242583 233173 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1354242942 623907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :Hagfish are usually not eaten owing to their repugnant looks, as well as their viscosity and unpleasant habits.  |  http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1354243007 486726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hagfish is kept alive and irritated by rattling its container with a stick, prompting it to produce slime in large quantities. This slime is used in a similar manner as egg whites in various forms of cookery in the region.
< 1354244226 813885 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Comment on appelle un mec qui pilote un avion ?
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< 1354249890 631668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"poëtic"
< 1354249905 282272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the most pretentious use of diæresis i have seen
< 1354249907 472167 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if "noël", why not "poëtic"?
< 1354249922 323653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think even the new yorker would do that
< 1354249931 13041 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not.
< 1354249938 264181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you know of a good XCompose configuration file?
< 1354249941 593161 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The excuse for "noël" is that it's spelled that way in French.
< 1354249943 373193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR the default one is really awfully terrible.
< 1354249963 591834 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2010/10/typing-mathematical-characters-in-x.html
< 1354249983 313532 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default one is pretty good as far as actual letters, i've found
< 1354249986 723775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematical characters such as ꙮ
< 1354250014 649183 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll ask pikhq_ instead.
< 1354250018 225052 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey pikhq_!
< 1354250019 692225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i want to use e.g. da do de di for ♬♩♫♪
< 1354250033 217530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i don't have that one
< 1354250044 926463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did add the unaccented greek alphabet though
< 1354250060 776733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How do you type ꙮ?
< 1354250067 124314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A66E?
< 1354250164 254406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy pasta
< 1354250172 585830 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you could use the spanish keyboard tbh
< 1354250182 313311 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I use the default.
< 1354250184 924477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: huh?
< 1354250186 723627 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwerty and has a lot of common accents
< 1354250195 514144 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess I'll have to ask you if you find a better one.
< 1354250197 904533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not really my use-case
< 1354250211 755745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: i think i found one that redid the whole thing from scratch with the one problem that i didn't like the combos it used
< 1354250219 918016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you just want accented latin characters, the default xcompose is fine
< 1354250255 787045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think it covers vietnamese, but most european languages using the latin alphabet
< 1354250257 954727 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. You can type "Erdős" just fine that way.
< 1354250263 231708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would kind of like LaTeX support :P
< 1354250264 980081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah =o
< 1354250267 43308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :faux-LaTeX that is
< 1354250274 756010 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't do Vietnamese, yeah.
< 1354250276 784820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's a gtk input mode
< 1354250283 905852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but I think it's bad
< 1354250285 143218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric := limited
< 1354250285 722155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... whatever thingy gtk uses
< 1354250287 294470 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably
< 1354250298 863560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert gnome bashing here
< 1354250302 615382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematical characters like ☭
< 1354250319 359188 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Course, Vietnamese is a Roman alphabet rendering stress test.
< 1354250324 281863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should write a c compiler named cccp
< 1354250342 937891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it is already a research group name
< 1354250344 695536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh
< 1354250356 3670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bet it's awkward when they get visiting postdocs from baltic states
< 1354250358 899921 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: how do you tell what Multi_key is in your setup, do you know?
< 1354250371 327975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's just an X keysym
< 1354250375 255821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can bind it with xmodmap
< 1354250388 36711 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess for the default you woud have to look in the keyboard layout definition files
< 1354250397 215995 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm... thanks
< 1354250399 392817 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect by default it's unbound.
< 1354250416 459971 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1354250417 219033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just open xev and then mash all keys
< 1354250422 505715 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Win here.
< 1354250425 886497 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was my previous  method
< 1354250440 419119 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already have win as hyper.  i think i'm running out of weird modifier keys to use.
< 1354250452 416987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on thinkpads you can use Fn as Multi_key
< 1354250454 748136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what to put compose on
< 1354250457 257978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use right-alt as my xmonad key
< 1354250464 110546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could use right win
< 1354250464 896876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it sends a key event if you press and release it without pressing anything else
< 1354250466 724558 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right-win.
< 1354250478 120368 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it does?  that's news to me
< 1354250478 276691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of awkward to press tho :(
< 1354250490 170661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should buy a happy hacking keyboard so all the keys i can possibly press are readily accessible
< 1354250503 193031 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but composing glyphs is a relatively infrequent thing.
< 1354250507 558575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and switch to colemak and become a hermit and retreat into the antarctic wastelands and kill myself
< 1354250509 914821 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i could use H-Menu instead of Menu for wm shit
< 1354250553 879128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have left ctrl for opening browser tabs, left win for opening native apps, left alt for alt, right alt for WM actions, right win for Compose, and right Ctrl for nothing because it's a fucking pain to hit
< 1354250568 14983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also have Fn send Esc if you press and release, but I don't use it much
< 1354250571 709352 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Alas, I don't have the option.
< 1354250574 843581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a hack to use Caps Lock as both Ctrl and Esc
< 1354250582 796987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should switch to that
< 1354250588 19392 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mainly use Ctrl-[ for Esc these days
< 1354250618 321850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: well antarctica is a little inaccessible I admit, but suicide?
< 1354250635 828788 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was referring to the entire list.
< 1354250646 561454 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suicide is essentially always an option, of course.
< 1354250654 978730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :colemak is for people who think dvorak is too mainstream
< 1354250675 514214 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a terrifying thought
< 1354250678 335839 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A profoundly suboptimal option, but nevertheless.
< 1354250683 327174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if I am going to switch to an obscure keyboard layout
< 1354250693 461560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I better switch to the one whose superiority to QWERTY I am most convinced of
< 1354250722 54975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's pretty clear that both dvorak and colemak are superior to qwerty
< 1354250746 737389 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, are there good studies now?
< 1354250747 33153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe colemak is slightly better than dvorak, maybe not, buti don't think it matters
< 1354250754 406689 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I phrased it badly
< 1354250760 404082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dvorak is much more standard
< 1354250763 389725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'd better switch to the one that I am most convinced is best"
< 1354250785 792904 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't use other people's keyboards very much but it's awkward enough to switch to Dvorak on those that I'd rather just remember how to type with QWERTY
< 1354250794 445175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not that awkward
< 1354250808 873422 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i have to use someone else's computer for more than 5 minutes i would usually want to switch it
< 1354250816 835787 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I already use xmonad and customise the programs I use fairly heavily
< 1354250818 14170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :switching to dvorak takes about 30 seconds in most operating sysem
< 1354250823 639752 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so someone else's computer is always going to be awkward
< 1354250838 552733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :winter is always going to be cold so you might as well go outside naked
< 1354250839 336103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people restrict themselves to almost-stock settings and the like to avoid that painfulness and that's fine but those aren't my priorities
< 1354250878 902630 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't find the gain compelling enough for the (expected) loss in the vast majority of my computer-using time given that the scenario it helps with is already moderately painful
< 1354250893 496455 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, fine
< 1354250916 35489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i went to the computer store to evaluate laptop keyboards, it was very useful that i could switch them to dvorak
< 1354250956 173835 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i went to the [...] store" — kmc, noted jokester
< 1354250957 803216 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354250972 19294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi
< 1354250977 787032 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1354251157 102266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgieither
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< 1354251191 999436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yo I'm gonna practice being a keyboard nerd since I know quite a fair bit about keyboards and it'd be a shame not to turn this knowledge into smugness:
< 1354251200 879760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you don't have to type on laptop keyboards to know they're all shit
< 1354251212 143981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1354251220 440592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure but i still want to know which one is least shit
< 1354251240 877764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should get a Model M.
< 1354251244 930815 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :model ms suck
< 1354251245 4269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the one true keyboard?"
< 1354251247 600260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they don't suck
< 1354251250 161978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're seriously overrated
< 1354251250 563051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :model m = the future
< 1354251255 738995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I typed on a Model M for >a year)
< 1354251283 627593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :agree
< 1354251298 112786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used a real model m for a few years and a unicomp model m clone for a few more
< 1354251323 792033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even ignoring practical constraints like it has a ton of useless keys and is fucking huge and makes a racket, the buckling springs are just way too heavy really
< 1354251342 947679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have mechanical fingers of steel or whatever I'm pretty sure another keyboard will be better for typing
< 1354251364 677370 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :useless keys?
< 1354251371 592799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the mythical keyboard of Real Hackers from before I was born so it must be good
< 1354251384 326956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what's overrated?
< 1354251389 299328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not having → and End keys.
< 1354251392 606719 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calling things overrated?
< 1354251396 174099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh screw keyboards, you should become a gun nerd
< 1354251412 461331 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you can argue the superiority of designs almost 100 years old
< 1354251420 566773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's probably easier to kill people with a model m than a gun
< 1354251432 764659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :call the mythbusters
< 1354251443 339809 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems like a good time to bring up how much I fucking loathe numpads
< 1354251447 761987 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wish they would retroactively never have existed
< 1354251495 868158 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh got yeah I can't live without home/end
< 1354251516 123792 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to admit that numpads... suck
< 1354251537 705924 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They're there for those people that want to input lots of numbers but can't be bothered to learn to touch type.
< 1354251541 546605 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. morons
< 1354251556 278496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for spreadsheets/accounting and stuff I assume they are more efficient than the numpad
< 1354251561 229895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you only input numbers all day, presumably it is less finger movement
< 1354251562 168565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1354251562 419505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it should really just be a separate device
< 1354251563 308647 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, my laptop keyboard is numpad-free
< 1354251564 979581 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :suck it haters.
< 1354251573 68825 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed you can buy USB numpads!
< 1354251579 58743 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all we have to do is bring USB back in time
< 1354251590 621410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed you can find USB numpads for free in basements
< 1354251603 345553 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: that's fine
< 1354251642 267267 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: it's when they start removing other stuff like home, end, pgup, pgdown, F keys, delete, insert...
< 1354251657 177731 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without a numpad it's harder to play NetHack!
< 1354251663 122325 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For people not used to vi-style keys
< 1354251664 646893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's easier.
< 1354251669 380337 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjkl is the future, sgeo.
< 1354251673 29790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those aren't people, Sgeo__.
< 1354251675 79224 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like irc
< 1354251676 656928 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: no way
< 1354251688 179484 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc is the messaging system of the future
< 1354251704 96949 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insufficiently XJSONML
< 1354251705 220008 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc navigated via hjkl.
< 1354251721 153702 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I'm sorry for inventing that
< 1354251725 380768 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: you can't do that, hjkl types letters
< 1354251729 736606 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wrong shape
< 1354251736 651298 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :has to be reverse T shaped
< 1354251738 414071 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: you hit i before you want letters
< 1354251738 650115 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like WASD
< 1354251742 60410 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, see, you just get a virtual keyboard, which you move around on with hjkl
< 1354251747 834926 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1354251766 194774 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :IJKL would be acceptable
< 1354251774 430450 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :HJKL is the wrong shape
< 1354251777 789621 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :colemak tries to keep zxcv in place
< 1354251781 441569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i was making a keyboard layout
< 1354251786 674154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would try to keep hjklyubn in the same place
< 1354251796 222486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you would squander half of the home row
< 1354251801 230026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok
< 1354251807 615299 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vikeys is no squandering
< 1354251814 746402 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because he'd make the left side chorded.
< 1354251815 585489 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjkl belongs on VT terminals
< 1354251826 494982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'j' is one of the least used letters in English and it has the best possible spot in QWERTY
< 1354251848 693762 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses it :(
< 1354251860 595141 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what about words like "jalopy"
< 1354251875 14076 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My name starts with the most important QWERTY letter!
< 1354251875 106459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only less used letters are x, q, and z
< 1354251882 213268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should feel special then
< 1354251905 470804 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Josiah "pikhq" Worcester does.
< 1354251936 855340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "p. sure the most important qwerty letter is h"
< 1354252000 228249 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most important letter is q
< 1354252003 497599 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :q is the awesome
< 1354252008 334544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for once i agree with quintopia
< 1354252011 484324 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did stick it in my nick.
< 1354252012 421313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously q is the best fucking letter in the alphabet
< 1354252016 351327 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff
< 1354252060 207095 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: which is why no language has that sound?
< 1354252062 113856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how do you type that upside down 'd'
< 1354252066 324662 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreement? this is too much. i may have to recant in order to not agree with elliott
< 1354252066 470168 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hurf durf
< 1354252067 731583 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except arabic
< 1354252080 382753 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :even jews have given up on q
< 1354252083 308240 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's hard to recant a plain fact
< 1354252109 851907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: fuck languages
< 1354252113 311977 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can be as wrong as they want
< 1354252116 704479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q will still be the greatest
< 1354252122 202173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't even matter how it's pronounced
< 1354252163 271631 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote we replace "k" with "q".
< 1354252174 352676 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucq "k".
< 1354252235 504451 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :minnna, qe- wo qiȳu- tè qaqou!
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< 1354252947 953144 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius
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< 1354253828 580050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott = a jerk
< 1354253890 566827 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't I su nobody?
< 1354253897 102352 :madbr!boulam@modemcable141.58-202-24.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Quit: Radiateur
< 1354255054 960982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jerk elliott
< 1354255056 349689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jelliott
< 1354255090 69412 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott (n) a jerk.
< 1354255185 46031 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quelliott
< 1354255189 9124 :sirdancealot8!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
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< 1354256413 526105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: quelliott is like qualia but all the qualia are horrible.
< 1354256455 626448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Also how come the incorrect URL highlights I was talking about stay *even when irssi scrolls*?
< 1354256463 388666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, they move up with the scrolling.
< 1354256570 960619 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354256671 30710 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How do you do diæreses with the default compose setup?
< 1354256679 261637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compose " letter doesn't seem to -- oh
< 1354256691 90675 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was doing it wrong. :(
< 1354256897 835036 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
< 1354257036 563317 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh: I talked to that kid again today
< 1354257044 280371 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kid
< 1354257065 21320 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one who thinks prepared queries don't fully protect against SQL Injection
< 1354257091 150040 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :His new argument: The null byte breaks stuff, and according to him, PHP and most other languages except for Pascal use C-style strings
< 1354257115 412011 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be sad to be trapped in the seventies
< 1354257130 497093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the null byte "breaks stuff"
< 1354257138 50605 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not his words, sorry
< 1354257138 578773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because somehow your input string gets a null byte in the middle of it
< 1354257148 480312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite your strings being null-terminated
< 1354257156 499364 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, assumed to be because of malicious user
< 1354257169 635594 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: what?
< 1354257180 952663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm saying it is impossible to have a nul in the middle of a null-terminated string
< 1354257184 797737 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully you agree
< 1354257192 570192 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1354257243 937182 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked out and noted to him that the SQLite and MySQL prepared query C-level APIs, for the parts where you give the API a string, it asks for a length (SQLite makes it optional either give length or assume nul-terminated string)
< 1354257270 477819 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said he definitely did attack a PHP script that used MySQL prepared queries with a null byte
< 1354257385 477357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why you are bothering to argue with this idiot
< 1354257506 810398 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also with the null-terminated thing: He talked about using the null byte to do weird file system stuff. I said that was an OS-level issue, he said no because it works on both Windows and Linux
< 1354257526 719178 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found a page in the PHP documentation that mentions it, he just sort of said that it was wrong
< 1354257534 691420 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1354257536 683633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why you are bothering to argue with this idiot
< 1354257557 522776 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: "Weird file system stuff"?
< 1354257567 913671 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, not his words, sorry
< 1354257585 864548 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like... Terminating a path early?
< 1354257593 144763 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1354257601 300556 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1354257621 847782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why you are bothering to argue with this idiot
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< 1354260150 352876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it would be cool if mosh provided fully local line editing falicities controlled by special control codes!!! i anticipate the chance of this feature getting added to be 0
< 1354260154 588353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that sentence is awkward
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< 1354268144 409854 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1354272566 308602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: guess what i didn't do
< 1354273349 741252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fuck's sake man
< 1354273720 722638 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a definition of ? that tricked me for a short while
< 1354273743 600425 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit cheaty, but it doesn't even work anyway
< 1354273754 608424 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1354273775 387796 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ? b = (a+b)/2 + 2
< 1354273799 252722 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw what is?
< 1354273801 771012 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I did the math right (I didn't write it down), a ? a = a + 2 and a ? a ? a = a + 3
< 1354273813 999215 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately a ? a ? a ? a != 4
< 1354273868 181098 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, a vague notion of some operation, such that addition is sort of like repeated ?
< 1354273895 783588 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's kind of fun that that given operation works for a?a and a?a?a but not a?a?a?a
< 1354273908 721527 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what are the properties said ? has to satisfy
< 1354273979 887946 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally, repeating it should result in addition, and it shouldn't be too trivial
< 1354273994 699246 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what sense / in what sense
< 1354274029 989560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Sgeo__ is unhappy with the successor function and wants to invent his own
< 1354274031 156968 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to pin down what I think is too trivial, but as far as the first in what sense: a?a = a+2; a?a?a = a+3; a?a?a?a = a+4, etc.
< 1354274054 828437 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm the successor function is unary Phantom_Hoover
< 1354274070 530541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ? b = Sa
< 1354274072 577255 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too trivial???
< 1354274080 163714 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not commutative
< 1354274094 252452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to give things up monqy  .............. to achieve ur dreams
< 1354274127 490932 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck it's!! not even associative!!!
< 1354274132 886608 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I'm too worried about commutativity. But that definition is definitely too trivial. (Also wrong, but hey... although, come to think of it)
< 1354274154 84627 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is not associative what you mean by wrong
< 1354274170 654765 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I mean by wrong is a?a = a+1 when I was looking for a?a = a+2
< 1354274178 473326 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1354274189 278957 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that too"
< 1354274202 396157 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, I guess looking for an operator where a?a = a+1 might be more fruitful... and again ignoring trivial things >.>
< 1354274207 117672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ? b = Sa unless this is the first ? and then it's a instead
< 1354274218 407219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :definition of ?: a ? a = a + 1
< 1354274229 738018 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ? ... ? a = n where n is the number of a appearing in there
< 1354274237 630016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ? b = a + (b/a)????
< 1354274247 762152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'a promising start' -people
< 1354274268 150925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: ps what associativity is ?
< 1354274270 746181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can you pick either
< 1354274300 601350 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't matter, I guess
< 1354274311 71099 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1354274325 641304 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I think f(a,b) = ln(e^a + e^b) is a fun operator
< 1354274347 940944 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sort of hoping that that or a variation of it could be used for this, but it's fun in and of itself, I think
< 1354274375 498951 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about the "cool associativity" where a ? a ? a ? a = (a ? a) ? (a ? a)
< 1354274386 263946 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::=, rather
< 1354274400 625193 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Double Cool Associativity whereby a ? a ? a = a + 3
< 1354274405 248460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :":="
< 1354274421 438349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real joke: people who make a distionctioneoi rjowrjeoi wjeroi jweo fjowfj iowjf iowjef owjf kfwpfl [wlf lwf[p lw] r;f]3[r; ]f/; f ew,f ;lwker lp[ro[ 3- 2o=- =`= -=` 0-3i -4 k1o
< 1354274421 832420 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :associativity where my dreams come true??? yes please
< 1354274425 506577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : o1-o fkl 4po jng 
< 1354274430 92512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you ever give up
< 1354274437 108049 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was me giving up on writing that sentence
< 1354274456 808400 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the sentence...............................
< 1354274464 130688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know
< 1354274465 94028 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its lost
< 1354274466 111530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever now
< 1354274467 833818 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::[
< 1354274468 13176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :R. I. P.
< 1354274529 942376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have the properties that a ? a = a + 2 and a ? a ? a = a + 3, then (a ? a ? a) ? (a ? a ? a) = (a + 3) ? (a + 3) = a + 3 + 2 = a + 5 -- but you also wanted a ? a ? a ? a ? a ? a in general to be a + 6, which is perhaps a bit of a problem.
< 1354274574 200562 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think sgeo cares about associativity though, which is weird given the way he was writing his stuff!!!
< 1354274584 574615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also going backwards from a?a?a = a+3, a?a = a+2, I suppose then a = a+1.
< 1354274585 480992 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's almost like he hadn't thought it through"
< 1354274612 959025 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: imo Double Cool Associativity solves these problems? and more?
< 1354274638 705251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double Cool probably solves anything, it's so cool.
< 1354274663 860560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: other solutions: infinity number system where every number is infinity
< 1354274666 80217 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a = a+1? no problem
< 1354274675 845647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a+5 = a+6? no problem
< 1354274724 912739 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, is it really a big deal to say that ((a ? a) ? a) ? a not always = (a ? a) ? (a ? a)
< 1354274725 539273 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1354274737 319920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo i think the a = a + 1 thing might be more of a problem
< 1354274821 31669 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unfair to say that a = a + 1 when he hasn't even explained his notation
< 1354274832 334188 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a = a + 2!!!!!
< 1354274854 468699 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1354274863 220355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we say that + is defined in the "usual" manner
< 1354274881 782978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a + Sb = a ? (a + b) -- adjust for associativity
< 1354274896 354172 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a + 1 = a -- base case
< 1354274910 625639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont quite know why you wouldnt just go with a ? a = a + 1 tho
< 1354274920 6080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like 1 is privileged as a base-case for repeaty thirng rj jwraw klsf aew;  ';.
< 1354274922 805907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gave up again
< 1354274924 114577 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can live with a ? a = a + 1
< 1354274932 757689 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then whats a ? (a + 1)!!!!!!!
< 1354274964 84947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: 4
< 1354274983 761555 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reason I was thinking a ? a = a + 2 is because a + a = a * 2
< 1354275077 13478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll let fizzie figure it out
< 1354275087 607428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q:
< 1354275092 418791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps, thats a smiley
< 1354275531 828187 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1354275962 56948 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Well, is it really a big deal to say that ((a ? a) ? a) ? a not always = (a ? a) ? (a ? a)" if you don't have associativity, computations become harder usually.
< 1354276000 986115 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean calculations
< 1354276631 54527 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck
< 1354276647 768676 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose a?a = a+1
< 1354276662 218750 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then (a+1)?(a+1) = a+1+1=a+2
< 1354276690 127855 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, ideally, (a?a)?a = a+2 = (a+1)?a
< 1354276703 344677 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So (a+1)?a = (a+1)?(a+1)
< 1354276765 354885 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1354276838 156026 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh was the idea to change the definition so that a?a = a+1 for all a but you still get some nontrivial operation?
< 1354276844 224338 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that a?b may not be a+1
< 1354276865 331035 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much, yeah
< 1354276872 117690 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then why do you say a+2 = (a+1)?a
< 1354276897 120046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: because the point is to have addition be "repeated ?"
< 1354276905 646956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to define addition inductively by ?
< 1354276911 611211 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a very good poitn
< 1354276912 854562 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :point
< 1354276944 36896 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case is there an associative operation on N such that a?a = a+1 for all a?
< 1354276956 151399 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the end result will probably be the successor operation, ignoring the second argument of ? :-P
< 1354276972 191984 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, there's an operation
< 1354276988 724876 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if it's associative, but
< 1354276998 733228 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :log_2(2^a + 2^b) = a?b
< 1354277002 393570 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to have addition be repeated ?, then i'm pretty sure it has to be successor . takeleftarg
< 1354277051 85042 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1354277062 246936 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a?a = log_2(2*2^a) = log_2 2 + log_2 2^a = 1 + a
< 1354277069 84283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that's ruled out by Sgeo__'s undefined nebulous triviality rule
< 1354277085 729690 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: so what's a?b?
< 1354277094 502106 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :log_2(2^a + 2^b)
< 1354277095 732804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably
< 1354277100 123191 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1354277141 554732 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then (a?b)?c = log_2(2^log_2(2^a + 2^b) + 2^c) = associative
< 1354277142 322402 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1354277167 887819 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is (a?a)?a = a+2?????????????? the mysteries
< 1354277190 269317 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i though he checked that
< 1354277195 28334 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's not
< 1354277207 784254 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it :D :D
< 1354277211 270213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think it is
< 1354277216 708424 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. At least, I'm fairly sure the answer is no. I came up with the general thing against the whole ? idea when wondering about this particular operation
< 1354277217 408351 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not
< 1354277217 957475 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god (W|A) doesn't seem to think so either
< 1354277221 450403 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1354277253 584697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would have to have that (a+1)?a = a+2 thing if you wanted (a?a)?a = a+2.
< 1354277254 283262 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have an operation that's associative such that a?a = a+1
< 1354277386 259912 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, (a+n)?a = a+n+1 for all a with that idea
< 1354277396 251687 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean what fizzie just said
< 1354277429 567916 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we require nothing for a?b where b is less than a
< 1354277438 457912 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1354277441 109019 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a is less than b
< 1354277446 446409 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi elliott are you ever going to do that thin
< 1354277451 614193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :g
< 1354277475 147540 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's the characterization right, any binary function such that a?b = a+1 when b \leq a
< 1354277500 950525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ye but im tired right now so do you really want me to set up the fortress in that state
< 1354277508 110079 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider how horrifying awake elliott fortresses are
< 1354277519 997133 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do worldgen and pick an embark then
< 1354277526 931739 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, you can make it commutative right
< 1354277544 551001 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a?b = max(a, b) + 1
< 1354277580 924720 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, this is the unique commutative binary operation f such that addition is repeated f i guess
< 1354277610 528582 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could publish this in the journal of ridiculous theorems
< 1354277611 854778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrates Sgeo__
< 1354277692 146691 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: If it's repeated with both arguments being the result of the previous, there are others
< 1354277762 76418 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my requirement was a + b = ((((a?a)?a)?a)?...)?a where a appears b+1 times on the right
< 1354277771 233456 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with yours, err
< 1354277785 229975 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just a?a = a+1
< 1354277805 847380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. sure Sgeo__ meant what oklopol meant
< 1354277807 80226 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then Sgeo__'s is a commutative associative operation
< 1354277817 445448 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or pretty much anything else.
< 1354277827 732189 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wasn't sure what you meant with "addition is repeated f"
< 1354277839 957656 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1354277841 768401 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1354277850 277385 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Sgeo__ already solved it for that def
< 1354277858 722288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: + : ? :: * : +
< 1354277863 279366 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354277864 985087 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes I know
< 1354277878 349688 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that was just a random string of symbols
< 1354277884 954888 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No it wasn't
< 1354277909 725198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: im upset
< 1354277910 342719 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's just a very lucky guy
< 1354278135 780768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1354278971 63411 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354279116 767017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you know of a thing to get outgoing messages automatically split when they're too big w/ irssi
< 1354279126 744952 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found this ancient perl script to do it but idk if it's any good or whatever
< 1354279136 438909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :scripts.irssi.org splitlong.pl is what I use.
< 1354279209 421687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I use it with a /set splitlong_max_length 400 which is overly cautious, but the default -- which is calculate the exact limit programmatically -- sometimes miscalculates stuff due to things like freenode cloaks.
< 1354279245 863185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "fis@iris.zem.fi" it believes will be in the message is shorter than the real "fis@unaffiliated/fizzie".)
< 1354279266 430844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i found was http://scripts.irssi.org/html/autowrap.pl.html
< 1354279299 9381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: solution: get rid of your cloak since you have a cool hostname??
< 1354279332 33666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well  http://scripts.irssi.org/scripts/autowrap.pl  and  http://scripts.irssi.org/scripts/splitlong.pl  they're quite similar, except autowrap always uses that limit of 400, it seems.
< 1354279341 31273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slightly curious that I hit the same number independently.
< 1354279347 61804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Debian has literally a kajillion identds
< 1354279395 459278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it binds to event_send_text vs. sig_command_msg so it might affect some cases where the other would not, but it's split everything I've typed just fine.
< 1354279416 528493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cool hostname unworks if I connect to a non-IPv6 server these days. :/
< 1354279448 717272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I connect with this fancy SSL thing. And then authenticate with this fancy SASL thing.
< 1354279452 820140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels like the future times a billion.
< 1354279456 595947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god
< 1354279457 903711 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354279457 977053 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1354279457 977176 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354279461 222036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my server is the one doing the connection
< 1354279464 848131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and linode supports ipv6
< 1354279468 456604 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could make it connect with ipv6
< 1354279472 831455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: should i do this
< 1354279476 510948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if i can handle that much future
< 1354279483 260405 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but
< 1354279485 31680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the future is forever
< 1354279511 848967 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lazerfuture
< 1354279531 465372 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354279551 870538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://www.worldipv6launch.org/measurements/
< 1354279553 524553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the future is forever.
< 1354279603 444392 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you use a specific identd
< 1354279607 188891 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1354279609 238243 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with the giant dip on the 28th of september
< 1354279611 619882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote one once but I can't be bothered to use something that isn't apt-get!!
< 1354279625 873055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the future briefly ceased being forever
< 1354279670 312056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I seem to be using oidentd, but I don't have a very special reason for it.
< 1354279739 896872 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1354279786 346754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://outside.hut.fi/2_days.png  GRAPH
< 1354279792 864201 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354279797 356035 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-29-234.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1354279818 718190 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I get an IP address instead of a hostname
< 1354279842 711324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where? 
< 1354279848 764959 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In /whois
< 1354279863 655843 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I use oidentd.
< 1354279911 727431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That looks cold.
< 1354279919 355432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Perhaps Freenode does the bidirectional check? 
< 1354279923 701510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's cold in the other H town too but probably less cold.
< 1354279924 29456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ host 109.75.188.190
< 1354279924 102214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :190.188.75.109.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer 109-75-188-190.reverse.cust.as47215.net.
< 1354279927 704722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ host 109-75-188-190.reverse.cust.as47215.net
< 1354279927 861050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Host 109-75-188-190.reverse.cust.as47215.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
< 1354279942 36652 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I have a hostname that doesn't work
< 1354279942 349023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see fizzie isn't using a secure connection.
< 1354279949 819334 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naughty.
< 1354279962 550668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should go back to 109.75.188.190 so that everyone would accept the reverse as genuine.
< 1354279967 838964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(How do I get irssi to prefer IPv6 servers for the irc.freenode.net thingy?)
< 1354279973 418585 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't it D-:
< 1354279976 811739 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello
< 1354279999 265296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say -6 to /connect and /server.
< 1354280017 121802 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried SSL/TLS with IRC, but WeeChat’s upgrade without dropping connections (as well as Irssi’s for that matter) doesn’t work with encrypted connections.
< 1354280063 429180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: For irssi that's not a problem since it doesn't get new releases.
< 1354280072 286635 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1354280075 90892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is there a way to -6ify my existing server entry without retyping my settings :(
< 1354280078 988340 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh noes, you'll have to disconnect for a few seconds! YOU MIGHT MISS SOMETHING IMPORTANT
< 1354280091 51791 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: /save and edit the config file?
< 1354280097 153525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could work.
< 1354280099 217206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: like a commoner!
< 1354280112 787054 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if you add the server with the same name, it only edits the explicitly specified settings? Then again, maybe NOT.
< 1354280115 400353 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :deewiant: It’s not about missing messages, it’s about unnecessary quit/join spam.
< 1354280124 446037 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I should set up the verify-server-SSL-key thing too.
< 1354280127 909222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if someone IMPERSONATES FREENODE?
< 1354280133 859422 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you use nightly builds and upgrade daily.
< 1354280148 332119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did think about maybe SSLing, I think bip does that. But it doesn't do the SASL auth.
< 1354280149 401442 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a reasonable source of quit/join spam
< 1354280150 960735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is so about missing messages)
< 1354280159 689612 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What if YOU HAVE CHATTED ON A FAKE NETWORK ALL THIS TIME?
< 1354280168 876282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I'm a fake fizzie too.
< 1354280177 672944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should "verify my key", if you know what I mean.
< 1354280181 275661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what I mean.)
< 1354280219 977808 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION signs fizzie’s public key, if you catch my drift
< 1354280330 17687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if I mosh into my dtached irssi which connects with IPv6 ~verified~ SSL and authenticates with SASL using an identd that might just be too many things and I would explode.
< 1354280339 726296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My key has 18 signatures. And apparently expired in 2006.
< 1354280346 687891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't get much PGP'd mail.)
< 1354280349 563139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, /server -6 irc.freenode.net DTRT.
< 1354280355 630899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just didn't show it as DoingTRT in /server list.
< 1354280362 480937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe that's the creation time.
< 1354280428 233300 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, oidentd looks Totally Bloated.
< 1354280433 115027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hierarchical configuration files and everything!
< 1354280495 960144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's weird; "/server blah" is supposed to just connect to blah, not edit the server list.
< 1354280521 257122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("/SERVER disconnects the server in active window and connects to the new one. It will take the same arguments as /CONNECT.")
< 1354280564 39028 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never liked that /server command in irssi. I was always worried that I'd accidentally disconnect.
< 1354280569 84788 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Or was it /server add?
< 1354280575 848980 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it was: /server add -6 irc.freenode.net
< 1354280576 256343 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would make more sense.
< 1354280585 514879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nice that it did the right thing.
< 1354280602 847697 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nicer than I've grown to expect of this client.
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< 1354280671 733238 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The right thing to do with Irssi is to add a network (/network add Freenode IIRC), add a server to that (/server add -auto -network Freenode -6 irc.freenode.net IIRC) and connect using the network name (/connect Freenode IIRC).
< 1354280708 477086 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That’ll let you add alternative servers in case one is down and it will also connect correctly on startup.
< 1354280714 164907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe this was already done, and the point was just to modify the settings of the server.
< 1354280726 578939 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you’ll be able to add channels to be joined automatically to networks.
< 1354280749 784625 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1354280750 534835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I did that!
< 1354280759 318751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: My network has one (1) server.
< 1354280762 967826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never anticipate it having any more.
< 1354280770 91129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My freenode server has the host name "freenode", and my ircnet server is called "ircnet". (The bouncer listens to all connections in the same port and differentiates networks by the password, but irssi refuses to accept multiple identical host:port servers, so I have to use dummy names and /set proxy_address 127.0.0.1, which is stupid.)
< 1354280787 945146 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what network?
< 1354280788 257474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do people actually use IRCNet?
< 1354280793 949345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: f re node
< 1354280794 339824 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish people do
< 1354280796 62588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure.
< 1354280804 567622 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one else
< 1354280808 580333 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRCnet is probably the most popular network among Finns.
< 1354280863 653617 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now, a languages joke: http://i.imgur.com/fIB5o.png
< 1354280869 632493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://irc.netsplit.de/tmp/networks/top10_2012u.png -- it's still quite high up there.
< 1354280898 4878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beats Undernet and EFnet in users quite clearly.
< 1354280928 911415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Freenode has an interestingly strong week-periodic thing, stronger than the other networks.
< 1354280943 155031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's because SERIOUS BUSINESSMEN use it for SERIOUS BUSINESS.
< 1354280948 663822 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EFnet scares me a bit.
< 1354280976 446367 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've used quakenet, freenode, ircnet, ef
< 1354280980 280296 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaand dal
< 1354280981 982121 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought EFnet was at least bigger than Undernet.
< 1354280992 289792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used those same networks as o.
< 1354280993 545696 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ef is kind of iffy
< 1354281012 751204 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently on QuakeNet, FreeNode, IRCnet, EFnet, and OFTC, and I've also used Undernet and maybe Rizon.
< 1354281031 167022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm no longer in anywhere else than Freenode and IRCnet. :/
< 1354281087 297438 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've been on Ustream and other specific things with non-IRC-client programs.
< 1354281101 84173 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on free and quake because those are the only places where people get sad if i don't show up on channels, and i can't manage to make irc autoconnect when my computer explodes and i have to restart.
< 1354281116 459234 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck is webchat
< 1354281129 841446 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can you write an identd for me?
< 1354281168 533615 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What it should do is if you have an ~/.identrc it runs that passing the server that's asking for the identity, and uses its output as the identity.
< 1354281176 187593 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: http://webchat.xs4all.nl/ I think
< 1354281177 949997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can be bothered.
< 1354281187 691023 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Okay, but how about: reconsider?
< 1354281193 104965 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how many shoes do you people have, i apparently have like 10 pairs
< 1354281197 625997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's listed as a network, though.
< 1354281204 471042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That one connects to real networks.
< 1354281216 74222 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, darn, missed that.
< 1354281222 928792 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only read most of the left column.
< 1354281238 741081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to mean irc.webchat.org.
< 1354281243 998112 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them don't even have a sole
< 1354281254 730701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is some kind of a thing.
< 1354281257 728315 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's also www.webchat.org, which is its homepage.
< 1354281265 125317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I don't understand it.
< 1354281279 723360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Do YOU use an identd??? Wait, maybe you answered already.
< 1354281286 542106 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nope.
< 1354281294 566545 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (Can't you tell with /whois?)
< 1354281306 434091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That would be... cheating.
< 1354281306 784140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've used the XS4ALL webchat from some HTTP-only airports.
< 1354281346 562599 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Not enough: I need to buy new shoes ASAP because there is lots of snow everywhere and all my current shoes result in wet socks in such an environment.
< 1354281378 205017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Speaking of whois, what's this as47215.net all about? It seems to be some kind of a German webhost/colo place.
< 1354281414 276977 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the same problem
< 1354281424 133153 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, I have a virtual server from DE.Punkt.
< 1354281424 429154 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys
< 1354281434 215889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should live somewhere it doesn't snow
< 1354281436 611033 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i actually prolly have better suited shoes but changing shoes is such an emotional rollercoaster.
< 1354281453 450450 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I (think I) changed the RDNS now via the Web UI, but if it worked it hasn't propagated yet.
< 1354281505 712903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does freenode even bother to make ident requests?
< 1354281506 730705 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I can query their nameservers directly, of course; it did work.
< 1354281508 480616 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's 2012.
< 1354281577 859749 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll install oidentd since nullidentd requires inetd. But still, ew.
< 1354281669 278243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I have something like five or six pairs of shoes maybe, if you count everything? But only one pair of borderline sensible winter ones.
< 1354281690 840433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the shoes are kind of different type of shoes, I don't really have redundant shoes.
< 1354281691 225502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one (1) pair of shoes I actually wear.
< 1354281693 482739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're awful.
< 1354281727 792912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My wife takes care of the redundant shoe ownership tasks in our household, which is I think a reasonably common setup.
< 1354281735 776044 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have three pairs of outdoor shoes currently, two of which are redundant in the sense that I use them only when it's warm, and interchangeably.
< 1354281755 59332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If alt+ produces "OD" and "OC" for left and right respectively, what's misconfigured?
< 1354281758 869206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so sick of this stuff not working.
< 1354281764 623017 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It never seems to get better.
< 1354281824 219629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know how you managed to make the alt key not work, to be honest.
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< 1354281853 274356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Come on, it's like, not worked out of the box in Ubuntu for years and stuff.
< 1354281857 788800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :P.S. this is in bash.
< 1354281866 808640 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is one of the most persistently broken things.
< 1354281878 422252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey.
< 1354281881 128941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be mosh's fault.
< 1354281883 416066 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc!!!!!!!!!!
< 1354281897 804152 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem to produce [D and [C for me in zsh, and do some kind of cursor movement in bash.
< 1354281941 249703 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1354281942 208156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alt in general, including keys in irssi, have worked out of the box for me pretty much always. Though in bash alt-arrows seem to insert [D and [C for me.
< 1354281952 456256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what they should do there.
< 1354281969 319284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.freenode.net/certfp/certfp-irssi.shtml guys what is this about
< 1354281980 47315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be a totally different thing to the things i have been setting up
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< 1354281987 279937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... setting yourself up a certificate so freenode can verify you??? what is this
< 1354281998 398491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the sasl stuff
< 1354282004 250296 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it seems to be a client certificate.
< 1354282007 8441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i have a script handle for me
< 1354282010 390805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know they even did client certificates.
< 1354282010 624531 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but what is that
< 1354282016 761959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a point???
< 1354282024 210354 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks sort of like you can get passwordless logins by doing this
< 1354282032 180288 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have no idea how it differs from sasl in terms of goodness or whatever
< 1354282043 842870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's X.509, it's like X-X-Xcellent.
< 1354282075 562695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"CertFP allows clients connected via SSL with a client SSL certificate to authenticate to services using the SHA1 fingerprint of their client SSL certificate. One must have registered with services."
< 1354282082 372947 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if this is some kind of a new dealie.
< 1354282113 6549 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems possibly fancier than sasl??
< 1354282135 693807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems vaguely sensible in the sense that if you're doing SSL already, it's sort of in the same rigamarole.
< 1354282150 13429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they've managed to not screw up the cloak thing when authenticating over that thing, though.
< 1354282169 396371 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the usual nickserv-pass-in-PASS thing they did screw up.
< 1354282173 56406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cloaks work for me with SASL if that helps?
< 1354282180 118563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've used NickServ pass in server password for forever.
< 1354282184 665518 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cloak's always worked.
< 1354282224 701832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SASL is I think the only guaranteed thing.
< 1354282247 638026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With server-pass it sometimes doesn't manage to enable the cloak before joining, if services are being laggy.
< 1354282262 25284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear SASL is sometimes non-guaranteed i.e. times out or something.
< 1354282279 708404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that might happen. But when it works, it always happens before anything else can happen.
< 1354282327 641308 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, if you want to verify the Freenode server SSL certificate against a certificate authority (CA), then you’ll need to download the CA certificate from the authority that signed the server certificate. In this case, its Gandi.net, and their CA certificate file can be found here: http://crt.gandi.net/GandiStandardSSLCA.crt. However, using the file in its native DER format for Irssi wasn’t working for me. So, using openssl, I converted the bina
< 1354282334 730925 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : be found here: http://crt.gandi.net/GandiStandardSSLCA.crt. However, 
< 1354282337 195219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   using the file in its native DER format for Irssi wasn’t working for me. So, using openssl, I converted the binary 
< 1354282340 162038 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :                   DER data file to PEM format, at which the Freenode certificate would properly verify:
< 1354282343 196484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I just don't trust technology, you know?
< 1354282344 552676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(TODO: Get that wrapping thing being a thing.)
< 1354282436 516070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm, bip can do client SSL certificates, maybe I should also set up that Freenode thing.
< 1354282440 293154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though later.
< 1354282449 910968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try this.
< 1354282452 299139 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting
< 1354282461 751392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354282470 819314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man.
< 1354282471 17899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what is the difference between "local minimum found" and "local minimum possible" from MATLAB fminunc.
< 1354282478 386914 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did that, like, work?
< 1354282532 142727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are at least identd'd.
< 1354282539 238631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I set ssl_verify, so I assume that's... working.
< 1354282571 743569 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha but.
< 1354282575 723411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:34:21 -!-  hostname : li278-81.members.linode.com 178.79.159.81 
< 1354282578 654039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't look very IPv6.
< 1354282586 287230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is there a way to tell whether I'm using an IPv6 connection?)
< 1354282598 76063 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:34:15 -!- Your host is morgan.freenode.net[64.32.24.176/6697], running version ircd-seven-1.1.3
< 1354282607 596949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't look very six.
< 1354282608 382506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that isn't terribly reassuring.
< 1354282624 103345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there no SSL IPv6 service or something?
< 1354282637 117335 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you using a server in the USA?
< 1354282638 945576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't sound like it'd make sense.
< 1354282651 69925 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm just using irc.freenode.net, man.
< 1354282654 353893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Wait, what doesn't?
< 1354282669 13799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also did you know: a whole two (2) people have edited the Esolang wiki anonymously using an IPv6 address.
< 1354282677 284117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not having SSL for the IPv6.
< 1354282682 515854 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, and I question the sensibility of that.
< 1354282700 653419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, what would you rather I do? List a bunch of servers manually and keep that up to date?
< 1354282707 233829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm using chat.eu.freenode.net; it's a compromise.
< 1354282718 647870 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This server is in London anyway, that's basically the US.
< 1354282740 38049 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm also using chat.eu.freenode.net, possibly with one manually listed server before that.
< 1354282757 206449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you know someone could get the nick ehird right now if they wanted to
< 1354282759 203016 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shame they don’t allow auto-identification using client-side SSL certificates, like OFTC does." "@bloogle Yeah, but the SASL auth is every bit as good, if not better if using DH-BLOWFISH"
< 1354282761 873381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I also have lindbohm manually before it, but it's all cyclic so it's not really "prioritized".
< 1354282763 195873 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truly, future-predictors.
< 1354282779 530100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/NXbZ -- see which continent is more like future.
< 1354282781 171401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't expect anyone except maybe shachaf t otry that.
< 1354282796 149613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would I try that?
< 1354282817 500631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you just looked up the last time ehird was logged into, so you must have some interest in the name.
< 1354282829 731622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not 'ardly!
< 1354282833 394803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: By the way, is there an equivalent of Bazaar for a Setter?
< 1354282841 787279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foo a b t = (a -> b) -> t
< 1354282872 807261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that Setter s t a b = s -> Foo a b t, of course.
< 1354282944 827137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, there's a rajaniemi.freenode.net that's in some "TKK Comnet/FUNET" block, in Finland.
< 1354282946 212987 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like you just wrote it?
< 1354282948 372174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's news.
< 1354282993 916349 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I bet you can't change just the server field of an irssi server. :(
< 1354282999 356840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is there a name for it? Does it have interesting features?
< 1354283013 327987 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's a monad.
< 1354283041 655278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I bet so too, since it'd identify the server to change by the host:port pair.
< 1354283072 191585 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1354283075 510140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I set ssl_verify without ssl_cert.
< 1354283078 722947 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that do anything?
< 1354283101 704561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: As in (r ->)?
< 1354283132 824660 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It sounds like it'll then try to verify the server's certificate against who-knows-what certificates. Ideally the ones in /usr/share.
< 1354283219 339448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I set ssl_capath to /etc/ssl/certs.
< 1354283220 513700 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that helps.
< 1354283231 531315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is that, like, the right thing?
< 1354283275 356992 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :+
< 1354283277 840027 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has the standard set of trusted certs, at least.
< 1354283322 98957 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/server add -6 -ssl -ssl_verify -ssl_capath /etc/ssl/certs -auto -network freenode chat.eu.freenode.net 6697
< 1354283325 57061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit of a mouthful.
< 1354283340 738073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's try that.
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< 1354283358 301385 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmm.
< 1354283363 290212 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is still not IPv6.
< 1354283383 345694 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what on earth is wrong.
< 1354283458 827582 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1354283543 666921 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should add ithkuil to the joke Deewiant linked
< 1354283568 512625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think instead Deewiant should help me get IPv6 working.
< 1354283579 190564 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about IPv6.
< 1354283622 450247 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What! But you're Finnish.
< 1354283649 780332 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have IPv6 connectivity on any machine I own. I could set it up in my LAN but I haven't bothered.
< 1354283657 395989 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we have it at work either.
< 1354283702 121817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IPv6 is the devil.
< 1354283723 357028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By having fewer IP addresses than humans, we keep the resource valuable.
< 1354283738 879071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ipv4 addresses: earth's greatest export?"
< 1354283803 934077 :fizziew!~fis@130.233.179.31 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354283806 788411 :fizziew!~fis@130.233.179.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what about THE INTERNET OF THINGS?
< 1354283834 333189 :fizziew!~fis@130.233.179.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what is this stupid delay in reconnecting, I have the stupidest bouncer, it's stupid.
< 1354283862 760242 :fizziew!~fis@130.233.179.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm MISSING MESSAGES here. Not that it's about that.
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< 1354283966 948420 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK, so you get to help me instead!!
< 1354283973 198970 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To wit: WHY ISN'T IT WORKING FIX IT.
< 1354283975 145097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Shocking news: it was myself who was the stupid.)
< 1354284028 96788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why it is not working, but why don't you just "nc -6 chat.eu.freenode.net 6667" to see if that goes anywhere? 
< 1354284041 851938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I have a CLIENT CERTIFICATE now.
< 1354284051 863834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am also using a SECURE CONNECTION.
< 1354284079 159162 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are also using a Lithuanian server instead of rajaniemi.
< 1354284135 135927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I use chat.eu.freenode.net and you still complain?
< 1354284166 579319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:49:04 -!- - Welcome to barjavel.freenode.net in Paris, FR, EU. 
< 1354284173 442933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't think that's Lithuania, Deewiant.
< 1354284180 153674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was about me, I think.
< 1354284184 323573 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You are not fizzie.
< 1354284203 227605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I put {rajaniemi, lindbohm, chat.eu} to the list, and apparently the cycling thing was at chat.eu at the time when I fixed the stupid bit.
< 1354284212 246707 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1354284292 725405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: OK but I actually am fizzie.
< 1354284314 639218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, am I elliott then? I... I'm not sure I want to. It sounds difficult.
< 1354284320 736928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is fizzie?
< 1354284329 6308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :WAR is PEACE.
< 1354284331 362973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think elliott isn't telling the truth.
< 1354284341 668666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is this client certificate stuff easy to set up?
< 1354284342 43198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Finland ≠ Hexham, right?
< 1354284347 345963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll do it næxt.
< 1354284357 709512 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nc: invalid option -- '6'
< 1354284360 38534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: A good start.
< 1354284372 41350 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders which of 70 flavours of netcat this is.
< 1354284400 355235 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: GNU, methinks.
< 1354284415 53828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It was reasonably easy for bip, I don't know about irssi. Probably it's just one setting, since Freenode doesn't actually verify the client certificate, it just uses the fingerprint from it.
< 1354284435 652792 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ithinks because recently openbsd-netcat started conflicting with GNU netcat in Arch and I went with GNU and it says the same thing.
< 1354284453 701659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, *I*thinks no GNU software would say "nc -h for help".
< 1354284459 521261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"telnet -6", then.
< 1354284462 948375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not even accept --help.
< 1354284472 839487 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, you didn't say that bit.
< 1354284499 580635 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Re the client setting: I was thinking more of the making a certificate part.
< 1354284501 299442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The one I tried with was the netcat-openbsd of Ubuntu something-at-work, and it has a -6.)
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< 1354284519 27126 :imelliott!elliott@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello im friends
< 1354284530 106127 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imelliott--
< 1354284539 53094 :imelliott!elliott@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant im sad
< 1354284543 224676 :imelliott!elliott@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please dont
< 1354284554 182211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mellow elliott.
< 1354284566 409676 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a concept.
< 1354284572 92990 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inconceivable!
< 1354284579 858095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So um this thing works fine, I am tempted to: blame the whole SSL thing?
< 1354284610 322331 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turn off SSL and see if it works in irssi?
< 1354284713 598167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a v6'd SSL connection just fine, though. But maybe it's worth a try.
< 1354284716 999062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: But...
< 1354284722 322704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: What if people spied on me?
< 1354284733 551032 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're only here, you're publically logged anyway.
< 1354284751 743156 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTH.
< 1354284757 660515 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, "publically".
< 1354284770 240781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also try /connect -6 or something. Though the -6 setting *should* end up in there for listed servers too, I think.
< 1354284785 337978 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Don't be elsewhere while you're testing.
< 1354284794 17212 :imelliott!elliott@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1354284844 571725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Incidentally, since you found out about Lithuania... does that client certificate fingerprint also show up in /whois to others? 
< 1354284877 628855 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No, only that and "is using a secure connection" apart from the usual.
< 1354284945 428427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hokay. Makes sense.
< 1354284960 293884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Is it also a comonad?
< 1354284965 954762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: When a ~ b, that is.
< 1354285034 260439 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that it is once again blizzard time. -->
< 1354285050 489514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like bullet time, except you dodge snowflakes.
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< 1354287925 207125 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like today's Girl Genius
< 1354287925 364728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1354287978 886478 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan it was something about Plated letting us traverse self-similar descendants
< 1354287979 437394 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1354288057 551861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Did you hear: upon was renamed to onceUpon, and uponTheDeep was renamed to upon?
< 1354288150 46031 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not!
< 1354288164 802381 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This makes it somewhat harder to use lens to sing Adele songs in Haskell!
< 1354288319 148351 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although slightly easier to recite Grimms' Fairy Tails
< 1354288366 712174 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairy tails are tastier than gator tails
< 1354288647 277417 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll trust you on that, having never tasted either
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< 1354290211 102209 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1354290222 182057 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't escape ' in my terminal any longer
< 1354290233 272275 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance   echo '\'   prints a backslash
< 1354290271 91810 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should do that, I think
< 1354290284 83896 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :try echo "\""
< 1354290325 311026 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but the " quotes usually cause a lot of problems
< 1354290341 402987 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance if the string I want can be interpreted as bash commands or something
< 1354290351 588864 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
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< 1354291553 708867 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, OK so seriously, are you ever going to start that fort.
< 1354291564 943996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if you aren't then just say so.
< 1354291628 984253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Blizzard time indeed; I just waited 35 minutes on the Konemies bus stop, from 17:25 to 18:00, because the 17:35 510 failed to apparate at all. (Unless it's this one and really late.)
< 1354291704 497091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: I tend to use 'blabla'\''bleble' if I want the string blabla'bleble as an argument.
< 1354291718 682495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes
< 1354291720 673018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: tomorrow
< 1354291720 916613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: promise
< 1354291729 761122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly the '\'' sequence looks quite crummy, but it works.
< 1354291732 646794 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you promised yesterday
< 1354291735 215209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :several times
< 1354291765 291686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i've been busy ok
< 1354291787 842316 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hey can you @tell elliott get ipv6/client certificates working
< 1354291815 673933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ellitt get ipv6/client certificated workdjsjud
< 1354291816 27505 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1354291816 620873 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmmmmmm ok thanks
< 1354291820 592244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops.
< 1354291821 753936 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird though
< 1354291857 157806 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :(
< 1354291858 322640 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :c'mon
< 1354291863 170978 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot doesn't let you self-@tell!!
< 1354291865 688925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frozen fingers.
< 1354291873 276857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey my battery outruns.
< 1354291886 171686 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can't you /nick and self-tell
< 1354291888 155820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott hhhey get ipv6/client certificated workdjsjud
< 1354291888 389925 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1354291896 14601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I hit it now.
< 1354291930 181346 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's about as good as my typing, so it's good enough
< 1354291930 768615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1354291936 34044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of power oh no ->
< 1354291937 71233 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ye but that is like spammy & inelegant & stuf
< 1354291991 68587 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is the method you used, but whatev
< 1354291996 236348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty ?spammy & ?inelegant & ?stuf
< 1354291997 489082 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?spammy::a1, ?inelegant::a1 -> a, ?stuf::a -> b) => b
< 1354292128 339944 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-34.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354292685 128545 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1354293276 588112 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1354294280 948860 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354294378 741387 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I only had to wait 10 minutes, missing one 103 and the second coming late; fortunately these 10[23] buses apparate quite frequently around that time of day.
< 1354294463 262635 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
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< 1354295003 414266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :510 is not the most reliable bus line ever.
< 1354295071 686078 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "missing one" I mean that one didn't come at all, or then it was at least 3 minutes early which I think is exceedingly unlikely in this weather.
< 1354295095 251551 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there was a bit of unreliability all around.
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< 1354299818 13408 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354299823 174714 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi atehwa 
< 1354300077 33462 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1354300095 162272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye atehwa.
< 1354300150 561476 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354300190 800721 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott 
< 1354300194 409412 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi epicmonkey 
< 1354300602 192625 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!
< 1354300603 937171 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help
< 1354300618 928721 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: aoiufhewpiufhaeeiufhweiupf
< 1354300711 739958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- | An slow, iterated SHA512 hash function to make dictionary attacks more
< 1354300711 972711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- difficult.
< 1354300712 47465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :defaultHash :: HashFunc
< 1354300712 47666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :defaultHash a = (iterate hash a) !! 512
< 1354300760 935263 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-34.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1354300775 371006 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.50.170 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354300802 297404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :An slow.
< 1354300826 738998 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1354301201 206137 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Winslow.
< 1354301442 549130 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354301448 746187 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it look like (iterate hash a) !! n = SHA-n
< 1354301462 631765 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
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< 1354301621 598765 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1354301628 436144 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu
< 1354301784 566557 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1354301784 566726 :lightquake!lightquake@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 QUIT :*.net *.split
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< 1354301819 516785 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny how shachaf also posted the exact same four lines in #haskell-blah
< 1354301841 213717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: What's wrong with that?
< 1354301927 834075 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's confusing because it resulted in slightly different conversations, only one of which contained what I thought I replied with
< 1354301935 451721 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354301949 320429 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, duplication annoys me
< 1354301986 226893 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t really see a problem with IRC crossposting when both recipients are likely to find the message interesting.
< 1354302009 221089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Not my fault that you subscribe to both channels. Most inhabitants of one channel don't subscribe to the other.
< 1354302054 562533 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are like several people who are in both channels
< 1354302084 800929 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am on both channels and i didn’t get annoyed by that at all.
< 1354302114 559558 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354302114 632830 :lightquake!lightquake@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1354302200 518607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION resists the temptation to cross-post to every channel ion is in.
< 1354302254 588611 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Android is upgrading… optimizing app  of 118”
< 1354302279 790202 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you bet that “optimizing” in this context involves absolutely nothing that anyone would reasonably consider “optimizing”
< 1354302342 278683 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, there is something optimization-like (or perhaps just code generation) it does to the bytecode that gets cached
< 1354302345 760386 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: No buffer space available
< 1354302516 566569 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What function is hash?
< 1354302531 414511 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe hash itself is SHA512
< 1354302542 250187 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it just happens to get ran 512 times too
< 1354302605 782578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what code is that from?
< 1354302655 757514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :snap-auth
< 1354302676 807318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hash is SHA512, yes.
< 1354302730 485194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should probably use PBKDF2 instead
< 1354302738 788678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how much it matters though
< 1354302876 585957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should probably be using a number bigger than 512.
< 1354303083 804521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354303137 437629 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can't use anything else than 512 iterations with SHA-512. It would be unseemly.
< 1354303181 161873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that too
< 1354303240 391923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Django 1.4 defaults to 10,000 iterations of SHA256
< 1354303262 286612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iterations?
< 1354303272 302869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also don't use PBKDF2 or anything like that?
< 1354303291 141718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean PBKDF2 with 10,000 iterations
< 1354303304 495591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1354303337 608961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :10,000 also seems low.
< 1354303353 289930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, actually, I have no idea how fast or slow PBKDF2 iterations are.
< 1354303491 888866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is kind of low
< 1354303596 848568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :django's implementation takes 75 ms on my AMD Phenom(tm) II X6 1075T Processor
< 1354303608 624075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is claimed to be "four times slower than openssl's implementation"
< 1354303759 280362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it's increased in the soon to be released Django 1.5
< 1354303885 544368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm bcrypt is explicitly designed to foil GPU-based attacks
< 1354303908 550574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and small ASICs, but not FPGAs with lots of RAM
< 1354303909 902345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://security.stackexchange.com/questions/4781/do-any-security-experts-recommend-bcrypt-for-password-storage
< 1354303988 14046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously i should do 100,000 iterations of SHA512 and then bcrypt that
< 1354303991 960629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's defense in depth right
< 1354304006 416701 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the maginot line of encryption
< 1354304017 615129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1354304033 173427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :information security has a lot of maginot line situations
< 1354304056 522444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people work really hard to secure one area and then get owned by something trivial and completely different
< 1354304522 200589 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's running a device-specific optimizer pass on the bytecode, actually.
< 1354304567 201589 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Swapping endianness, some constant propagation, etc.
< 1354304573 970254 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354305328 317944 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*snaps*
< 1354305377 517736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like the symmetric variants I made which is related to some of asymmetric chess variants?
< 1354305382 433472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Where should I find burritos in San Francisco?
< 1354305415 954713 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Literally anywhere.
< 1354305445 300068 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walk outside and look for a Mexican restaurant that isn't a chain. Probability is very high that you will find one within two blocks that will be good.
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< 1354305455 105042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm.
< 1354305499 185644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy australian mailman list reminder day, everyone!
< 1354305499 500295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1354305504 115630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1354305504 339426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq said 4h 52m 5s ago: it was something about Plated letting us traverse self-similar descendants
< 1354305572 170952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that true for all of SF
< 1354305582 429458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:31:30:  "poëtic"
< 1354305582 502953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:31:45:  that is the most pretentious use of diæresis i have seen
< 1354305582 503120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to see a taqueria density heatmap
< 1354305612 703776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg poëtic
< 1354305649 72423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :taquría, kmc
< 1354305662 829881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall poëta being used as an example of something needing a diæresis in latin
< 1354305672 133199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: have you seen http://www.jwz.org/images/5112789301_da50dca4bd_b.jpg
< 1354305679 875300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1354305709 851072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Nope.
< 1354305812 382669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : mathematical characters like ☭ <-- don't you know that dialectic materialism is _better_ than mathematics, duh
< 1354305862 379103 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dielectric materialism is somewhere in between
< 1354305886 633468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :++
< 1354305915 107170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is the joke that tenderloin is the most crime-ridden district in san francisco, or something?
< 1354305921 444212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the jokes
< 1354305940 152362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get them all
< 1354305950 31044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mission is a hipster fixie
< 1354305959 45914 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :noe valley is full of kids i guess
< 1354305977 143480 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haight?
< 1354305978 269453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :castro is full of gay men who work out all the time
< 1354305982 933080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haight is weird
< 1354306006 861590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i think going down those hills on a unicycle would be terrifying
< 1354306012 350503 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the point of fixed-gear bikes, by the way
< 1354306025 174216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being cool and different
< 1354306036 604364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FiDi is a folding bike for people who commute by train
< 1354306074 861446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, having only a single gear gives you a simpler and more reliable bicycle
< 1354306088 417371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lacking freewheeling seems less useful
< 1354306152 38072 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they have a bike, shouldn't they just commute by bike?
< 1354306178 721005 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 30 miles from palo alto
< 1354306181 501883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though people do it
< 1354306192 314679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sf2g.com/
< 1354306290 643534 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.50.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1354306308 124941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that is the opposite direction
< 1354306315 359582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who live in SF and bike to google every day
< 1354306328 421098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote  colemak is for people who think dvorak is too mainstream
< 1354306336 871716 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I thought google was already in SF?
< 1354306339 428315 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :858)  colemak is for people who think dvorak is too mainstream
< 1354306356 397200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main google office is in Mountain View
< 1354306376 631662 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1354306377 366516 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1354306377 919921 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1354306378 233574 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1354306379 17205 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1354306380 98999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is part of the "San Francisco Bay Area" but about 40 miles from downtown SF
< 1354306389 21168 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :758)  haters gonna make som valid points
< 1354306390 74380 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and completely different as far as what it's like to live there
< 1354306394 793204 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, this is america, they don't like putting things next to other things
< 1354306406 154075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well SF itself is a proper dense city
< 1354306418 11396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like every city (in Europe as well) it has sprawling suburbs around it
< 1354306427 259069 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :365) [on petrol]  oklofok: it's actually poisonous, so I advise against drinking it   ais523, also contains benzene, my carcinogen of choice.
< 1354306430 794040 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :227)  (the former is a very deep theorem, i'd have had to read the whole book to understand it, so i didn't.)
< 1354306432 710957 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :851)  unfortunately df is not yet able to simulate norway
< 1354306432 870867 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :297)  anyway I've stopped ``trolling''   since apparently you guys don't like me claiming obviously false and absurd claims
< 1354306484 458347 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proper dense city part of SF is approximately a square 10 km on a side
< 1354306656 253716 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, apparently there are people who prefer their bikes not to have brakes
< 1354306728 846932 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so these chips are "fine cheese" flavored
< 1354306870 379526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The accomplishment of today: googled out why the VLC logo is a traffic cone.
< 1354306878 735304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One day, people from the VIA association (VIA is a students' network association with many clubs ... amongst those is VideoLAN. More info here : http://www.via.ecp.fr ) came back drunk with a cone. They then began a cone collection (which is now quite impressive i must say). Some time later, the VideoLAN project began and they decided to use the cone as their logo."
< 1354306886 343859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a meaningful story.
< 1354306949 262394 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I collected a cone once ... they're bigger and heavier than you think and end up being not quite as fun as you expect
< 1354307003 175837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently you can write GCC plugins in Python now O_O  http://gcc-python-plugin.readthedocs.org/en/latest/
< 1354307144 429768 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it mean you do not have to recompile GCC if you want it to do something else?
< 1354307354 688477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo__ You realize ? must have the property a ? (a+k) = a+(k+1) for all natural numbers k?  (also you have to decide whether it should work left or right associatively, like tetration.)
< 1354307355 8568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1354307386 430117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that is already the case, gcc can load plugins from .so's
< 1354307425 185215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo__ (tetration from exponentiation)
< 1354307425 610911 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1354307536 824504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo__ Sorry, k >= 2.
< 1354307541 435969 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1354307558 287390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "now what"
< 1354307568 333086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats lambdabot -----###
< 1354307575 808276 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1354307577 448031 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "now what"
< 1354307583 969601 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354307605 843302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION also swats Sgeo__ for having so many underlines he's worried he'll not see the message.
< 1354307613 270017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* + -----###
< 1354307858 587940 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1354307870 170295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or for other reasons.
< 1354307891 833530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats everyone else for not mocking his swatting. -----###
< 1354308120 67733 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354308145 203256 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :swatting the void
< 1354308149 70418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354308233 50849 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1354308274 824614 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354308364 919264 :sirdancealot8!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354308522 206000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok oklofok seems to have pretty much solved the problem.
< 1354308559 928453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what always happens.
< 1354308579 851880 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1354308613 899491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :CURSES FOILED AGAIN
< 1354308675 970810 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354308750 912239 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses, wrote (a+b)(c+d) in a different form not requiring parentheses againn
< 1354308750 990199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1354308799 327201 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to go back to repeatedly hitting snooze
< 1354308974 837356 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: ac+ad+bc+bd?
< 1354309135 467501 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ac-dc
< 1354309162 454506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AC⚡DC
< 1354309347 283867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Expr + doctest = the future
< 1354309372 711086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl1 f [a, b, c] :: [Expr]
< 1354309373 964388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [a,f a b,f (f a b) c]
< 1354309409 797029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1354309456 521496 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1354309481 757666 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354309785 340773 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Phantom Hoovers are usually not eaten owing to their repugnant looks, as well as their viscosity and unpleasant habits.  |  http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1354310978 613991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.2 * sqrt (16 ^ 7)
< 1354310980 133161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  19660.8
< 1354311008 881175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of 7-character git hashes you need to get a 50% chance of collision.
< 1354311014 247202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.2 * 16386
< 1354311014 429242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(More or less.)
< 1354311016 244261 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  19663.2
< 1354311033 311419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :16386?
< 1354311044 269112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait
< 1354311061 184896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION may have forgotten some of his powers of 2
< 1354311068 515039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.2 * 16384
< 1354311070 141369 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  19660.8
< 1354311074 713339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that be better
< 1354311256 419879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (&)
< 1354311257 590063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> (a -> b) -> b
< 1354311267 58182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1354311284 536647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0&)
< 1354311286 90427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  The operator `Control.Lens.Getter.&' [infixl 1] of a section
< 1354311286 163990 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     must have...
< 1354311857 98800 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet!
< 1354312272 915932 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds
< 1354312282 979533 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354312573 643355 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354312627 135125 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1354312860 957981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The operator Control.Lens.Getter.& is a must-have.
< 1354313205 489521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0&&)
< 1354313206 771762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  The operator `GHC.Classes.&&' [infixr 3] of a section
< 1354313206 849654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     must have lower ...
< 1354313210 27933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0&&&)
< 1354313211 372325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  The operator `Control.Arrow.&&&' [infixr 3] of a section
< 1354313211 445006 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     must have low...
< 1354313567 309564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> False&(True&(&&)&&&(&&)&uncurry(&&&))
< 1354313568 860453 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (False,False)
< 1354313618 159062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are all must-haves, I see.
< 1354313622 191684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed.
< 1354313662 856057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1354313775 160838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot see any way of chaining them in order.
< 1354313794 762734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (?a & ?b && ?c &&& ?d)
< 1354313796 2308 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `a0 -> b0' with actual type `Bool'
< 1354313796 75250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the second argument of `(&)', namely `?b && ?c &&& ?d'
< 1354313796 75454 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the expression: (?a & ?b && ?c &&& ?d)
< 1354313806 159457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (?a &&& ?b && ?c & ?d)
< 1354313807 264109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `a0 b0 c'0' with actual type `Bool'
< 1354313807 337730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the second argument of `(&&&)', namely `?b && ?c'
< 1354313807 337898 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the first argument of `(&)', namely `?a &&& ?b && ?c'
< 1354313893 683762 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (?a & ?b (&& ?c &&& ?d))
< 1354313894 842717 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Couldn't match expected type `Bool'
< 1354313894 921128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :                with actual type `a0 b0 (c0, c'0)'
< 1354313894 994093 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the second argument of `(&&)', namely `?c &&& ?d'
< 1354314012 936848 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ((?a & ?b &&) ?c &&& ?d))
< 1354314014 176223 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `)'
< 1354314015 577978 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ((?a & ?b &&) ?c &&& ?d)
< 1354314016 860656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    The operator `&&' [infixr 3] of a section
< 1354314016 934099 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        must have lower precedence than that of the operand,
< 1354314016 934264 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :          namely `&' [infixl 1]
< 1354314167 506225 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Phantom_Hoover Fiora monqy 
< 1354314537 164930 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354314537 275422 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1354314537 275553 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354314669 903125 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1354315309 81792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there the program to play MOD/S3M/IT/XM samples/instruments in Csound?
< 1354315753 441251 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius
< 1354316046 424357 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354316397 649514 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1354316400 455212 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354316416 660866 :Bike_!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1354316556 882122 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit
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