< 1353283208 213015 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now it seems to be either an infinite loop or very slow < 1353283212 722677 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and not outputting anything) < 1353283228 831761 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was wondering if you had any smaller, more simple programs to test < 1353283250 959838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: No, I don't have some, sorry < 1353283295 797260 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case the fight between the part of me that wants to complete this and the part of me that's bored and not motivated will be even harder < 1353283356 168717 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like cat theory is not just an abbreviation of category theory < 1353283360 267205 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a theory < 1353283367 287158 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of cats < 1353283401 594429 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean like < 1353283405 286864 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :categories? < 1353283430 547318 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1353283433 195365 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cats < 1353283438 722390 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :felidae < 1353283480 853940 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353283942 962753 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: OK, I just wrote a Truth-machine and it works properly < 1353283971 996238 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha http://dumbpajamas.tumblr.com/post/35998874236/its-not-an-allegation-anymore < 1353283972 142258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Maybe my program is wrong then; if that is the case, you can fix it. < 1353284005 224321 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will compare what instructions you use in your program that I don't use in the truth-machine < 1353284049 753097 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if I can't see where my interpreter is wrong then I'll try to understand your program to see if it's wrong < 1353284095 70524 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1353284751 870032 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1353284945 343404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that's a good show < 1353285273 152417 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: haha. in fact it works fine. that's just, once again, a problem of flushing output... < 1353285286 724522 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 34 55 89 144 233 377 610 987 1597 2584 4181 6765 10946 17711 28657 46368 75025 121393 196418 317811 514229 832040 1346269 ^C < 1353285333 730161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1353285403 999094 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353285432 86477 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll write a parser someday (I really got to find some way to do that in a more automated fashion) and then we can move Suxesol to the Implemented category! < 1353285643 535788 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1353285745 693020 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1353286462 741543 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Challenge: Write a fibonacci number generator that uses iterate < 1353286488 232278 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"iterate"? < 1353286493 169989 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :const fibo iterate < 1353286506 544883 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: < 1353286507 990180 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t iterate < 1353286509 718181 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> a) -> a -> [a] < 1353286588 451660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: back when i looked at ocaml, there were ocamllex and ocamlyacc < 1353286599 218108 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just have a be a pair and the function be from (a,b) to (b,a+b). < 1353286661 701666 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I should take a look at those < 1353286699 140486 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1353286750 715079 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that so many esolangs have one-char instructions, or otherwise easily parsed instructions, that I took the habit to patch up dirty "parsers" of my own rather than bothering to look at them properly < 1353286761 523320 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a module from the standard library that's all about parsing and stuff < 1353286790 18842 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (round . ((1+sqrt 5)/2*) . fromIntegral) 1 < 1353286792 22518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946,177... < 1353286806 420748 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1353287205 115220 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\[a,b] -> [b,a+b]) [0,1] < 1353287206 813736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[0,1],[1,1],[1,2],[2,3],[3,5],[5,8],[8,13],[13,21],[21,34],[34,55],[55,89]... < 1353287225 166082 :dedis29!~dedis29@akw403.cs.yale.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1353287416 517582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is strange that more esolangs don't have full featured grammar < 1353287429 825760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it follows from the fact that most of them are brainfuck derivatives ;P < 1353287530 462029 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just occurred to me that brainfuck is "context-free" < 1353287538 487474 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in more than one way) < 1353287552 138398 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0 < 1353287562 827298 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them are brainfuck derivatives and the foundation of the current state of esolangs is brainfuck, befunge and false < 1353287597 726030 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jafet: what about [ and ]? < 1353287639 990297 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so everyone picks up the attitude that esolangs all have single-character commands instead of syntax < 1353287642 138941 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF ::= + | - | , | . | < | > | [ BF ] < 1353287659 561002 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :| BF BF < 1353287680 123989 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :BFF < 1353287720 607565 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good < 1353287722 545163 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the clear course of action is to start a new trend in languages that can only be parsed with unrestricted grammars < 1353287728 809577 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do a Befunge grammar next < 1353287729 384066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats Jafet for making an ambiguous grammar -----###
< 1353287749 992765 :dedis29!~dedis29@akw403.cs.yale.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353287764 72428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know grammar, what's an example of a non-context-free one < 1353287788 143743 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the grammar describing the language { a^n b^n c^n | n >= 1 } < 1353287801 735398 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. { "abc", "aabbcc", "aaabbbccc", ... } < 1353287804 349581 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ambiguous here means that you can't distinguish (BF BF) BF from BF (BF BF)? < 1353287811 12117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1353287813 545300 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's called "mainstream languages" < 1353287850 301374 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: brainfuck is associative yo < 1353287857 486764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's just wadler's law again < 1353287859 757497 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure you only need a cfg for java... < 1353287868 839766 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pierce through the lies, see the higher algebraic structure < 1353287877 64889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are hung up on concrete syntax so they think the way to make a "brain fucking" language is to have bad syntax rather than strange semantics < 1353287886 602608 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't C++ context-sensitive? < 1353287900 742623 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ is ambiguous, as I recall, with the lexer hack and everything < 1353287905 858202 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually thinking of Perl. < 1353287941 913627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing perl is undecidable < 1353287945 727964 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no one is arguing about comment syntax for brainfuck derivatives yet < 1353287952 707541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: don't be too sure < 1353287982 163731 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since all non-command characters are comments, i think all derivatives are arguments about comment syntax < 1353287995 346397 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1353288040 650164 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: C is context sensitive. < 1353288080 638677 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i lived in a world where wikipedia articles were didactically useful :( < 1353288186 800048 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote autodidact < 1353288187 483129 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shapr says: I've tried to teach people autodidactism, but I've realized they have to learn it for themselves. < 1353288211 844736 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when did Jafet actually talk btw < 1353288216 925254 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were just another lurker < 1353288239 914994 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a hydralisk < 1353288283 205288 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes jafet talks, I'm an eye witness < 1353288334 180016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Was that added in response to your post? < 1353288610 644550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :S ::= a B S c ; B a ::= a B ; B S ::= b S | b or something like that < 1353288660 956341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah that won't work < 1353288795 130692 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1353288804 222997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353288908 887912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway an unrestricted grammar is basically a thue program without IO. < 1353288943 20976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm and a distinction of terminals and non-terminals. < 1353289021 439873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1353289161 293708 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that would allow cycles < 1353289606 204299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wat? < 1353289649 793804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no cycles with the distinction between terminals and non-terminals. < 1353289713 653968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, with there having to be a final result. < 1353291549 317577 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1353292044 547130 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1353292118 637648 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1353292223 895402 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet < 1353292445 265914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1353293602 363213 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1353293607 750898 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353294270 920738 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, [S][S][S] < 1353294904 986465 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1353294905 730432 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lead < 1353295051 417545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :delicious lead < 1353295062 229498 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mdoqrbCird1qj67q9o1_500.gif < 1353295086 450485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i bet you want to fix `taking' < 1353295090 724916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct? < 1353295097 317383 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's taking < 1353295101 226157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty taking < 1353295102 822544 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => Int -> SimpleLensLike (Control.Lens.Internal.Indexing f) s a -> SimpleLensLike f s a < 1353295109 590638 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1353295122 572623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..]^..taking 3 traverse < 1353295125 359125 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: stack overflow < 1353295128 277236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"too strict?!" < 1353295178 349110 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1353295403 935183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wall candy < 1353296074 680100 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1353296940 562077 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1353299309 438784 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353299748 438617 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1353299915 172151 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353300210 759110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353300369 466367 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1353302048 828141 :augur_!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353302063 312499 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1353306252 169841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: hion < 1353306548 890037 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: bye all < 1353307262 517031 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1353307845 284457 :augur_!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353308105 369291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like YOU need some Liquid Programr < 1353308137 962272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Was that the response to your email? < 1353308181 58639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I bet you want to figure out this taking business. :-( < 1353308192 773280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no a nonsequitor < 1353308195 576822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking what? < 1353308200 946047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1353308205 11674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this lens < 1353308226 741605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's a lens thing. < 1353308593 68724 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hachaf < 1353308602 447655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Oh, just in time to figure out `taking' < 1353308632 503925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, did I turn into `ski' ? < 1353308640 970107 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`yes' < 1353308651 137539 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: yes': not found < 1353308986 81203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: `to which one' < 1353308998 850416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: This is like BazaarExercise++ < 1353309028 815085 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma bazaarexercise < 1353309029 82016 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bazaarexercise has a karma of 1 < 1353309062 29388 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does bazaarexercise really deserve that 1 karma ? < 1353309067 865501 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353309082 559930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that karma was for bazaarexercise's capitalized brother < 1353309091 374513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how bazaarexercise got it < 1353309101 824446 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma BAZAAREXERCISE < 1353309102 220301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAZAAREXERCISE has a karma of 1 < 1353309104 509696 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1353309107 490146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP < 1353309117 454370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma inflation: confirmed? < 1353309365 613020 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :confirmed < 1353310288 844302 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1353310444 319846 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What’s wrong with taking? < 1353310476 513772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Laziness and/or the type. < 1353310491 483912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] ^.. taking 5 traverse < 1353310494 20480 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: stack overflow < 1353310503 298974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An easy way to fix this would be to use unsafePartsOf < 1353310516 448203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then it only works for Traversals < 1353310520 28874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We want it to work for Folds. < 1353310523 244053 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking seems to use unsafePartsOf. < 1353310528 635145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it? < 1353310536 134409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you looking at the git repository? < 1353310544 287453 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1353310546 413897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a recent commit. < 1353310553 533429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Previously it was written like dropping < 1353310594 625533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for that version, it's reasonably lazy, but the problem is the type. < 1353310600 790119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also it's a hack.) < 1353310732 721620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the problem is the implementation, not just the type. < 1353310738 844499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the former reflects the latter. :-) < 1353310740 597579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the former reflects the latter. :-) < 1353310747 263478 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the former reflect the latter < 1353310788 640641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no monqy < 1353310793 720909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you make such an elementary mistake < 1353310810 94270 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elementary mistake of asking a question < 1353310819 484851 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the most elementary of them all" < 1353310849 499883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :watson asked too many questions < 1353310854 786976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now he's dead < 1353310857 245634 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like lurking here is going to slowly destroy my understanding of the use-mention distinction, and indeed what quotes are for at all < 1353310857 391319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coincidence < 1353310903 736305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you call that lurking? < 1353310919 569998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"surprise: you just unlurked yourself" < 1353310925 569286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you lurked out" < 1353310937 398416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you'd be lost for lurks" < 1353310940 455730 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaah < 1353310955 956457 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was "lurking", now I am "screaming" in "terror" < 1353310956 679189 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1353310985 203378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix show < 1353310986 946737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\... < 1353311004 867130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bike's worst nightmare?" i "think so" < 1353311073 2270 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> repeat '"' < 1353311074 682790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"\"... < 1353311076 600578 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no escape" < 1353311083 191560 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1353311097 530779 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text (repeat '"') < 1353311099 609108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text$repeat'"') < 1353311101 455451 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:16: < 1353311101 775960 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at end of input < 1353311102 841455 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1353311103 138723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: Prelude.undefined < 1353311115 9265 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well then < 1353311122 523306 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::─┐ < 1353311124 167213 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :D─┘ < 1353311127 166441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text$replicate (a_billion) '"' < 1353311130 93818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""... < 1353311140 262142 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even less escape < 1353311154 196555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> repeat '\\' < 1353311155 769210 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\... < 1353311156 714975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"maximal escape" < 1353311164 39213 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean minimal...? < 1353311169 41702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no maximal < 1353311172 239463 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Warning: Use camelCase < 1353311173 817331 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes maximal < 1353311175 526376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show $ repeat '\\' < 1353311175 711749 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... I'm not here? < 1353311177 351549 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\... < 1353311186 359273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: maximal "ESCAPE SEUQ#NECE" < 1353311200 299409 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, my parents warned me about escape seq neces < 1353311211 746599 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*seuq neces, apologies < 1353311250 70763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bike: four-armed?" < 1353311264 732173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people are so "conf"using. < 1353311298 304522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "you know who else was confusing" < 1353311311 842554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Confucius? < 1353311312 27669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(elliott bird) < 1353311616 874679 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353312127 384604 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1353314250 556930 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1353316274 679667 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1353316869 692274 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1353318122 253564 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353318707 318483 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://japanesetransliteration.com/ < 1353319474 457983 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://labs.echonest.com/Uploader/index.html < 1353319605 870255 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a bit of trouble with 5/4. :-) http://labs.echonest.com/Uploader/index.html?trid=TRIOCHX13AFD0DF411 < 1353319689 666278 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1353319809 429513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I no longer have any sound out of this workstation. < 1353319886 165601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnome's sound thing shows the right devices in the "Hardware" tab, but the "Output" tab only has a "Dummy output" in the "Choose a device for sound output" list. < 1353320216 696541 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1353320503 735051 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1353320761 202166 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one doesn’t quite work either :-P Animals as Leaders – CAFO http://labs.echonest.com/Uploader/index.html?trid=TREOUDY13B182DDC60 < 1353320898 874459 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353325552 116501 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1353326753 101306 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1353326804 113963 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1353326993 433734 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1353328424 938183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353328626 107743 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1353328707 375742 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PART :#esoteric < 1353329261 990638 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353329266 821531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1353329268 448356 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1353329405 439499 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353329427 471280 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1353329437 193787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353329573 919159 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353329574 354789 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1353329593 497724 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1353330470 770618 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1353331679 453539 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1353331693 855473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353332136 321681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1353332152 736197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353332457 79119 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fire Tornado http://youtu.be/OL_VUh4gzIk?hd=1&t=1m55s < 1353332483 809837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1353332493 714137 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353333134 695997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1353333286 110141 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353333366 468134 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1353333393 706052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353333446 181322 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, my laptop with a dodgy connection < 1353333685 747064 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, my fridge with some food inside < 1353333714 11899 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, ais523 just joined :) < 1353333743 928356 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 refers to my laptop in particular < 1353333750 427201 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :g 38 < 1353334373 729576 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353334494 702548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1353334769 719302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353335654 681343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1353336434 425745 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353337021 873468 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1353337053 677333 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1353337569 179818 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353338202 910793 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1353339011 199127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353339930 145208 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353340264 57189 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353340300 4676 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People assume that time is a strict progression from cause to effect < 1353340311 206871 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But actually, from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint < 1353340324 57060 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more like a bit ball of wibbly wobbly time-wimey stuff < 1353340327 916367 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, Phantom_Hoover < 1353340335 685325 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm permanently in a mood for Homestuck music now < 1353340361 80283 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you just quote doctor who... < 1353340400 334231 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arisen Anew < 1353340405 568374 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First track of AlterniaBound < 1353340447 175985 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you see today's update, btw? < 1353340519 830759 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loving the look on gamzee's face in the last panel < 1353340571 182636 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the extra few bullets at the end < 1353340582 799426 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1353340848 317103 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did anyone else get one of the thousand giveaway 0x10c accounts? < 1353340886 739157 :segorev!~cherep@193.34.208.210 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353340895 430019 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x10c is only 268 < 1353340913 254198 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's meant to be 0x10^c < 1353340934 558450 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes even less sense < 1353340950 778176 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accounts for the future Mojang game 0x10^c < 1353340952 339611 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm, this could be a bit difficult to do in my head < 1353340956 693684 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in decimal that's 16^12 < 1353340962 720129 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which = 2^48 < 1353340970 882676 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, umm, quite a lot < 1353340979 151441 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is set 0x10^c years after 1987 < 1353340985 941072 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 16^12 < 1353340987 882929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 281474976710656 < 1353341003 749090 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to an endiness error on a cryogenesis machine < 1353341837 923330 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1353341893 557128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1353341960 872796 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353342046 897430 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353342073 133600 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353342306 704326 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1353342468 527806 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-23.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1353342482 143176 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-23.elisa.ee QUIT :Client Quit < 1353342723 181920 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh-oh. < 1353342733 729647 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Matchedroad has a vampire. < 1353342921 259251 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353342970 143628 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1353343324 31898 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the blood spouting from Gamzee's current wounds is a different colour to the blood from when Nepeta scratched his face < 1353343356 863734 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :homestuck ruined forever < 1353343421 806484 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is exceedingly frustrating < 1353343439 10643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least two dorfs have run directly over a dead carpenter's corpse without remarking upon it at all < 1353343442 828559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's still just 'missing < 1353343444 284254 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :' < 1353343456 51811 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they didn't recognize him < 1353343467 945064 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey, there's a dead dorf here. Is that Urist!?" < 1353343469 465530 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nah < 1353343470 519105 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1353343476 28449 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Urist had more blood" < 1353343526 137924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the especially annoying part is that as a result of this i can't actually convict anyone for it < 1353343541 142161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Urist's blood was a different color." < 1353343555 652437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't the homestuck mod! < 1353343588 664638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still have no idea who the vampire actually /is/, unfortunately. < 1353343644 737713 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who doesn't have a bedroom < 1353343665 32191 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha as if i have enough bedrooms for everyone < 1353343689 803491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, it's the strand extractor! < 1353343696 553979 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The... Great strand extractor. < 1353343711 592647 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not killing her, vampire though she may be. < 1353343715 250024 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put him in a locked strand extracting room < 1353343731 918932 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a hole in the ceiling for dumping raw adamantine < 1353343743 190705 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a hole in the floor for dumping the extracted strands < 1353343775 255699 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much the plan. < 1353343793 991071 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't she get annoyed, or starve to death, or something? < 1353343795 755747 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably go for an airlock system for the strands though. < 1353343807 431634 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_, vampires don't need to eat or drink. < 1353343818 333359 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1353343823 420840 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the downside? < 1353343829 134214 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :None, really. < 1353343830 128037 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They kill people < 1353343832 508778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they try to kill people I think? < 1353343832 914530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 8 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1353343839 688543 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For shit and giggles, evidently < 1353343852 860523 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :She can't improve her skills but strand extraction takes ages to train anyway. < 1353343889 888811 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :She works really slowly due to an outstanding bug with alcohol dependence but again, strand extraction normally takes so long it'll still be an improvement. < 1353343894 635366 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does DF have any equivalent of a conveyor belt? < 1353343901 941265 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecarts! < 1353343909 445041 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what are strands anyway? < 1353343935 996571 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1353343957 570830 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adamantine is the top-tier metal in DF, and you refine the raw deposits into strands and then into wafers. < 1353343991 760912 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raw adamantine → strands takes an incredibly long time. < 1353343997 643423 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then make things with the wafers? < 1353344002 665353 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1353344007 100070 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, doesn't mining too much adamantine release demons? < 1353344069 852776 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately you can avoid that if you avoid mining the walls of the spires. < 1353344076 566189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: well there is hell < 1353344081 358090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you just have to tip-toe around it < 1353344096 291620 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you can mine in a pattern that just avoids hell < 1353344099 953009 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, umm, ends up beneath it? < 1353344109 848625 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bit leading to hell is a small shaft in the middle of fixed size, so you can infer where it is. < 1353344133 763886 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, hell is underneath a layer of impenetrable rock at the bottom of the map. < 1353344152 754184 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1353344228 872850 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The adamantine deposits are narrow spires rising out of that, through a sea of magma, and a variable distance into the rock above. < 1353344244 496310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: apparently you can enter hell using a demonic fortress in adventure mode. < 1353344285 293016 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you can. < 1353344303 810876 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine it's a bitch to actually find one though. < 1353344329 219826 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't you make one in fortress mode, then abandon it? < 1353344346 996251 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you hear about PalaceCrushed? < 1353344388 412766 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1353344606 58406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: i suddenly have encyclopedic knowledge of it < 1353344655 172628 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-23.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1353345007 186769 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you have an encyclopedia about it hadny? < 1353345020 675812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to ask hadny < 1353345140 643064 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353345188 223145 :segorev!~cherep@193.34.208.210 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1353345627 728172 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353345855 918552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: actually create defences next time < 1353346060 845454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_ is the only named dorf to get injured, fortunately. < 1353346089 373543 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why name a dwarf after the underscored version? < 1353346159 283690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :har har < 1353346179 137833 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1353346298 624261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1353346308 714011 :ais523__!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353347121 856184 :ais523_!93bcc349@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.73 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1353347181 684728 :ais523__!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1353347194 524803 :ais523__!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353347228 116118 :ais523__!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1353347369 21481 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1353348870 265455 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1353349405 198278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1353349714 151453 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1353350385 824946 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353350695 196609 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1353351091 869352 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1353351133 906759 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353352008 499490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps some day in the far future, computer science will invent a way to build parsers other than hand coded control flow around regular expressions < 1353352040 273463 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer science is a pretty cool guy < 1353352046 399081 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inventing stuff in the far future < 1353352048 54409 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1353352120 164941 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like context-free grammars and shit? < 1353352134 352263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1353352142 639058 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hope they get invented. < 1353352166 317234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is my sarcastic way of saying "perhaps in the far future programmers will generally be aware of useful CS shit that has existed for decades" < 1353352173 889083 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1353352240 185435 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsing context-free grammars and their various extensions is like one of the most researched things in cs conferences. it's such an oversolved problem that people start snoring when there's a talk about that stuff. < 1353352258 271552 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least i do :D < 1353352261 120746 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1353352315 938539 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that i _know_ anything about it) < 1353352371 944788 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I can't wait to enter this world properly < 1353352389 976151 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :this world? you're already in it < 1353352392 24982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :screaming, naked, and covered in blood? < 1353352393 69031 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mysterious world of computer science < 1353352425 405645 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear google tried to use context-free stuff for their translator. but turned out regexps worked way better for automation with such a supermassive data set. < 1353352430 936483 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, if I remember, I am going to one day turn up at a computer science conference for a talk that I am presenting, screaming, naked, and covered in blood. < 1353352453 267839 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because I missed that joke until after I wrote that < 1353352462 513675 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a computer scientist told me about this in shame. < 1353352530 559417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that makes sense < 1353352536 58044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :natural language is messy too < 1353352579 46979 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that a CFG is not sufficient and/or good for parsing human languages might not be news for people who know stuff about that stuff < 1353352622 767839 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :news in general might not be news for people who know stuff about the stuff that the news is supposedly news about < 1353352647 395040 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense, but it's a bit sad because "the right solution" (from cs point of view) should be the best one _especially_ for such a large-scale thing. < 1353352703 589264 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily i don't have to think about these kinds of things, CA aren't useful for anything anyway. < 1353352783 499706 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's much nicer to make a CFG for a subset of english than make a regexp for a subset of english though. < 1353352786 943723 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :by hand i mean < 1353353231 867877 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1353353536 595132 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353353733 826969 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1353353774 572265 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353353801 188266 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1353353985 792509 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Destroy your desk it's useless now < 1353354007 121228 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Build yourself a fort to hide < 1353354015 826543 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close your eyes and crawl inside < 1353354022 616062 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're sailing on the pumpkin tide < 1353354216 14792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353354283 318911 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to either stop posting lyrics or find a Homestuck channel that isn't filled with RP'ers < 1353354461 585625 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think esper has a big homestuck channel that doesn't allow RP/typing quirks < 1353354540 594057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1353354543 900352 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :RP'ers? < 1353354547 992928 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roleplayers < 1353354550 433769 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :role players? < 1353354552 486603 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1353354564 602405 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, none on mindfang? < 1353354568 436525 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like rps < 1353354606 698078 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about mindfang, didn't even know it existed until now < 1353354663 226991 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:50 [esper] -!- Topic for #pesterchum: Welcome gerbils! \\ http://mspa.vulp.in/pesterchum/ has rules and stuff \\ If you want to RP or use troll typing quirks, do it in another channel, not here. \\ Unable to talk? Try using http://esper.net/publicirc.php \\ the friendship sets sail at dawn \\ http://imgur.com/a/mwcBW < 1353354673 358870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :E_TOPTOOOLD | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1353354678 822974 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are troll typing quirks? < 1353354694 893924 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::33 < this appurrs to be the purrfect place for your n33ds < 1353354704 941088 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. < 1353354710 924652 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mspaintadventures.wikia.com/wiki/Typing_Quirk < 1353354734 193484 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, mindfang is the server that the Pesterchum client uses internally < 1353354737 165800 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1353354750 68579 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :T3R3Z1 T4LKS L1K3 TH1S and so forth < 1353354755 458787 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-23.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1353354763 784846 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is E_TOPTOOOLD ever an actual irc error < 1353354886 803949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I feel like lurking here is going to slowly destroy my understanding of the use-mention distinction, and indeed what quotes are for at all < 1353354901 403262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do some /// programming and you'll get it right back < 1353354929 57703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i don't know < 1353354957 818727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: well we all hate Lolcode here, that's similar < 1353355032 624386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my promise to fix the /// links back doesn't apply until they actually start working, btw, hth. < 1353355070 202360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's work < 1353355086 280524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i know it's a tall order < 1353355171 461734 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Itflabtijtslwi – /// with input" why is everything unpronouncable < 1353355193 682206 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives a pronunciation < 1353355246 272430 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky NICK :Sanqui < 1353355746 628939 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1353355971 443153 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353356184 545837 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1353356531 709307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mysteries of dwarf fortress: i have six chains, but i'm only allowed to use two of them for some reason < 1353356750 165818 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :use more than two and you'll start a chain reaction < 1353356896 293863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, my jail cells definitely aren't designed for criticality safety < 1353357474 611125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I DON'T SEE WHAT'S UNPRONOUNCABLE ABOUT ITFLABTIJTSLWI < 1353357517 260471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do the IJ as in DIJKSTRA, btw < 1353357579 510892 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1353357586 634851 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do the ij from Dijsktra as in Itflabtijtslwi, so I wouldn't know < 1353357596 426489 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that some kind of dutch weirdness? < 1353357648 700752 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a two-letter "y" look-alike - as in i and j put next to each other looks like a y < 1353357663 263426 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353357668 877401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : > text (repeat '"') < 1353357674 358903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var (repeat '"') < 1353357686 329343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2+2 < 1353357688 488148 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""... < 1353357688 717769 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1353357694 845586 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot...................... < 1353357729 468681 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: do you pronounce "cp" as φ? < 1353357744 45135 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: no, I'm not Dutch < 1353357788 814364 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1353357846 330424 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok, it's a greek letter < 1353357857 84313 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vjn.fi/temporary%20shit/itflabtijtslwi.wma ? < 1353357865 18205 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1353357925 365807 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353357932 450485 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one part I find somewhat difficult is the -lwi at the end < 1353357962 267974 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, i thought tslw was a pretty natural cluster < 1353358234 92654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and that's from a finn. < 1353358342 484320 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1353358546 854729 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1353359158 653500 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353359216 389239 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353359312 950269 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey we even have str in some loan words. < 1353359343 964124 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :str is easier than tslw < 1353359372 66056 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :English has tchst < 1353359378 916143 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a joke based on the guess that it's universally considered the easiest three consonant cluster on earth. < 1353359532 711796 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that I have no idea where I saved my unfinished Haskell port of MCMap < 1353359572 403810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait where do we have tchst < 1353359572 874635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1353359575 3459 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "mcmap" not MCMap < 1353359587 678543 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is something else, obviously < 1353359592 213406 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in "matchstick" < 1353359716 842969 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1353359720 504429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shattered illusion of the week: ian stewart's lectures aren't great < 1353359857 614300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :revelation of the week: mathematicians make terrible caterers < 1353359857 800228 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1353359928 137048 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good revelation? maybe it will save your catering party, one day < 1353360523 683092 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: http://retroprogramming.com < 1353361197 405576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well _i_ for one wouldn't trust me to do catering. < 1353362026 953446 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353362049 571770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eurgh < 1353362056 432041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fps is in the low 40s and falling < 1353362075 682754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is the price for having dorfs constantly tramping halfway across the map? who knows < 1353362197 566680 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1353362575 946619 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1353362682 879124 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353362779 178323 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah there are too many SYNTAX AND KEYWORDS < 1353362790 962554 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does ~(foo) mean in C? < 1353362829 76097 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ is bitwise not < 1353362850 981955 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1353362941 450806 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1353363158 524227 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1353363434 181779 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would be so much easier if I knew any C < 1353363457 675380 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-240-27.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you trying to do? < 1353363661 84574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm impressed that you managed to avoid learning c < 1353364010 781937 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1353364115 980804 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... oh... < 1353364126 572217 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a forgotten beast moving towards the entrance to my fortress < 1353364141 843468 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-88-230.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1353364279 449061 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Say goodbye to your little friends. < 1353364292 974138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately it went the other way < 1353364302 450917 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i *think* i have it walled off now < 1353364367 781066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1353364372 880791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't have it walled off < 1353364462 994715 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least so far it's only set fire to one of the crappy armourers! < 1353364472 768691 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1353364557 523925 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out the reason code highlighting was broken in our app is that it was trying to highlight everything as matlab < 1353364560 514996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking matlab < 1353364641 360218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it Objective C or something? < 1353364675 50584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1353364683 709769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that the pygments "guess_lexer" function seems to always guess matlab < 1353364693 371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular if the code block is actually just english text < 1353364715 562415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim highlights .m files as Matlab < 1353364721 901782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by "broken" i mean that it would highlight things that weren't meant to be highlighted) < 1353364726 850141 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1353364862 241213 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all down to Gregor now. < 1353364862 762928 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353364994 684726 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1353365009 567700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it always. < 1353365025 653987 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1353365159 694431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :teeth and fire are everywhere < 1353365248 742580 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also itidus20 burned to death < 1353365256 972606 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was a furnace operator, how ironic < 1353365265 52733 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is Gregor? < 1353365341 38595 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :militia commander < 1353365392 222924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just kind of stood around on the stairs, then went back home and left a single lasher to deal with the beast < 1353365454 733462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he basically whipped it apart piece by piece whilst on fire < 1353365488 495137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: me < 1353365496 510434 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I anyone? < 1353365499 326803 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1353365531 683763 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the manager/bookkeeper/broker < 1353365538 695888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but not anyone *in particular* < 1353365543 822419 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh how could i forget shachaf < 1353365550 762945 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you want to be shachaf < 1353365559 957082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1353365566 568554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1353365574 894379 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if they're all dead now, then you can sort of start over, no? X-D < 1353365586 69947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i be the norwegian ambassador < 1353365586 576964 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, only iti and some nobody died < 1353365594 131716 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, we don't have one of those < 1353365605 957356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1353365608 3363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are my choices < 1353365669 100618 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you rename dead dorfs? shachaf could be the dead nobody < 1353365698 224586 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so < 1353365734 69359 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, uh, pick any of http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2012:Skill < 1353365747 398048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i dont play df" < 1353365753 818177 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1353365757 244513 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the least helpful skill? < 1353365757 390148 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is list of jobs < 1353365760 636004 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can he be the latrine cleaner? < 1353365767 616073 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brown ones are largely useless < 1353365782 982551 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :animal caretaker is literally useless < 1353365793 327572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that looks like a song. < 1353365811 849774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be set to the tune of "modern major general" < 1353365924 120296 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1353366242 334545 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is now burned lasher < 1353366249 760410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1353366252 472129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1353366261 765271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i be the norwegian ambassador < 1353366276 308206 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately df is not yet able to simulate norway < 1353366302 736995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ambassador can i be????? < 1353366347 521336 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1353366350 339193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python threads suck, therefore concurrency is a bad concept. MySQL sucks, therefore relational databases are fundamentally wrong. Java sucks, therefore static type systems are worthless. < 1353366351 932590 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote unfortunately df is not yet able to simulate norway < 1353366356 633533 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :866) unfortunately df is not yet able to simulate norway < 1353366463 220950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think most people who complain about concurrency complain about how hard it is to reason about. < 1353366473 660336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python concurrency is, if I remember correctly, unusually easy to reason about. :-) < 1353366496 560602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: depending on what you mean by concurrency i'd agree with the firts < 1353366497 582739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*first < 1353366498 161642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whenever somebody suggests improving python threading, the response is always like "you shouldn't ever use threads for anything anyway" < 1353366520 701313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i have a very specific need which would be easily solved by a competent threading implementation < 1353366685 706395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the need? < 1353366699 23706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy balls http://stackoverflow.com/questions/323972/is-there-any-way-to-kill-a-thread-in-python < 1353366705 210574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling the CPython API from ctypes LIKE A BOSS < 1353366714 959925 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: need to call a function with a time limit < 1353366720 92057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what is your need < 1353366721 752792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you said that < 1353366723 411511 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't use SIGALRM because it interferes with python's shitty threading < 1353366727 729512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which django is already forcing me to use < 1353366742 609501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't this what that multiprocessing thing is for < 1353366761 751623 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that library is also steaming dog shit < 1353366763 963472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it might work < 1353366768 53088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: People in #haskell are talking about how to preserve its "niceness culture". You should post that post you wrote about it. < 1353366842 901041 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, ... oh, I don't actually need to do your use case, thought I did but I don't < 1353366867 740645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt it will play nicely with django < 1353366875 842881 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Functionality within this package requires that the __main__ module be importable by the children." < 1353366887 127165 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I'm sort of abusing Python threading to work around a blocking API, although there's nonblocking versions but those require Tornado or Twisted < 1353366965 709120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no fuck this module < 1353366975 477318 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will just os.fork() and send the result back over a pipe and /fuck it/ < 1353366983 882816 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can kill python threads you know < 1353366990 130906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just unsafe < 1353366993 474948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like killing threads in almost all languages < 1353367016 114026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't a public or reliable API for doing it either < 1353367064 787152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that applies to most languages though < 1353367075 853213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it? < 1353367078 647267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the reliable part < 1353367082 163182 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance you can't reliably kill a pthread < 1353367084 546324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by design < 1353367094 970394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC Haskell does have asynchronous exceptions and at least some thought put into making them safe < 1353367098 696689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realize it's not perfect < 1353367105 668994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFAIK GHC is the only runtime that offers thread-killing that you are actually allowed to use < 1353367110 249610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1353367112 233453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not Java? < 1353367121 239343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"See this thread by Sun on why they deprecated Thread.stop(). It goes into detail about why this was a bad method and what should be done to safely stop threads in general. < 1353367121 423798 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1353367125 930697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1353367126 390996 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The way they recomend is to use a shared variable as a flag which asks the background thread to stop. This variable can then be set by a different object requesting the thread terminate." < 1353367126 607539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1353367138 982596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is calling function with a timeout really that unreasonable of a goal? < 1353367141 453522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that killing a thread is roughly a fundamentally unsafe operation < 1353367150 367279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i believed you the first 8 times you told me so < 1353367150 517176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially, it more or less makes sure you cannot have any sort of guarantees < 1353367160 228565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that was the first time I said that < 1353367165 308693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you misinterpreted other things I said as meaning that < 1353367175 45923 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: anyway calling a pure function with a timeout is reasonable < 1353367176 796556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impure, not so much < 1353367185 356771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it changes state? what if it acquires a lock? < 1353367189 690436 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing i want is conceptually a pure function, although who knows what it uses internally < 1353367192 940795 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it does blocking IO? < 1353367195 460981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer: a bunch of poorly written regex parsing < 1353367197 972738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1353367198 900501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC gets away with the last one by never doing blocking IO < 1353367200 54909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could go wrong < 1353367203 244199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's a lot of work < 1353367205 194852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think i could get away with it in this case < 1353367208 436027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1353367219 877069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you are doing something unsafe in general < 1353367223 236588 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but which works for your usecase < 1353367228 389032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a good use of a non-public API :P < 1353367234 668399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are degrees < 1353367258 625132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafe things should still be public and documented when possible < 1353367260 438179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :harm reduction, man < 1353367261 68741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :° < 1353367268 949879 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the thread-killing stuff is actually documented? not sure < 1353367282 377025 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1353367282 586431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it may be documented as part of the CPython "API" < 1353367288 577829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka "the parts of the interpreter we decided to not make static" < 1353367299 414447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it is not like it is the only thing about threads which are unsafe and break guarantees < 1353367314 351128 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think concurrent imperative programs are basically a dead end, I don't see any way to make them feasible to reason about at all < 1353367345 908695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disagree, i think with good tools for managing the diffusion of shared state, it can work < 1353367348 891068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but anyway < 1353367350 570643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even want shared state < 1353367353 764437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a timeout on a pure function < 1353367365 868845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1353367389 62847 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I think modern non-concurrent imperative programs are basically impossible to reason about too < 1353368932 475260 :monqy!~help@98.108.214.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1353369512 827251 :raziellight!~fdf@S0106002191dec0ca.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric