< 1352592443 146612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i have a quote you will like (hate) < 1352592559 368666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: never mind i misinterpreted it < 1352592564 540151 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a good quote? is it funny? < 1352592574 361793 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Goodnight" < 1352592576 435592 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1352592593 695224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: are you funny < 1352592701 712719 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: am I good? < 1352592702 334012 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: hmm, perhaps the Web would be better off if images couldn't set cookies <-- yes < 1352592736 338169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes < 1352592919 242260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always use the script for sprunge instead of entering the full command. < 1352592984 531247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also possible to make a bookmarklet for sprunge too in case you need it for some reason. < 1352593142 710179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What other kind of dice rules might you use other than what I have? /([-+])([0-9]*)(d[0-9]+|)(g-?[0-9]+|)([dk][hl][0-9]*|)/ (negation) (number of dice or constant) (number of sides) (glitch; replaces with constant if half or more dice come up 1) (drop/keep high/lowest dice) Should there be other options available? < 1352593291 466455 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-085-216-049-158.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1352593529 540611 :LucyintheSky!~Lucyinthe@177.99.65.46 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352594193 291031 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1352594305 481044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I like the sprunge pastebin, it has one problem, which is because of the Google server which sends incorrect responses to headerless requests. < 1352594371 307628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you tell Google to fix this? < 1352594413 44060 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only supporting HTTP/1.1 does not sound like such a terrible faux pas these days. < 1352594414 612296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also tell the people who made sprunge to move it off of Google; that is another way. < 1352594437 64532 :LucyintheSky!~Lucyinthe@177.99.65.46 PART :#esoteric < 1352594447 235420 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current phone today is way more advanced than the computer I got 12 years ago. I wonder if my phone 12 years into the future will be way more advanced than my current desktop < 1352594468 213922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either. < 1352594480 270773 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is an interesting question though < 1352594500 718790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you bet on it? < 1352594587 957042 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352594606 689549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But is it more advanced at entering text?! < 1352594624 231804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, well, SwiftKey is kind of nice... < 1352594636 304411 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, but sure the physical size of the screen and keyboard are smaller < 1352594641 874217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand there are quite "general" betting sites where you can bet on very many things. Possibly not on Vorpal's phone in particular, but phones in general. < 1352594662 530362 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I would bet money on anything < 1352594664 535201 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can probably bet on anything with a browser < 1352594664 582067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I intend to make the computer, and one of the things I intend to make it is not to be overcomplicated, while still allowing it to run at reasonable performance and other features. < 1352594670 902629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But the resolution is higher! < 1352594679 163402 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, yes < 1352594691 980785 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that old computer was 800x600, my phone is 720p < 1352594734 838394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :longbets.org, for example; though the topics must be "societally or scientifically important". < 1352594771 352334 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :my phone has more CPU cores, more RAM, faster CPU, more non-volatile storage and a battery that lasts longer < 1352594772 430055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :longcats.org < 1352594773 470686 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This computer is codenamed POWERXY but it probably won't be its actual name. < 1352594774 998166 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what is overcomplicated or reasonable performance? < 1352594783 485633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What kind of a phone Vorpal has in 12 years" might not be societally important. Arguably. < 1352594825 60259 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if societally is actually a word < 1352594828 955397 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well the question could be generalised to "the current generation of PC gaming computers" and "the state of the art smartphones in 12 years time" < 1352594832 905839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Like, I will omit some things not needed such as the overly complicated x86 or ARM9 (ARM2 is sufficient, I think), omit USB, omit HDMI, omit too much complicated built-in software (you can load it externally instead), etc < 1352594880 145336 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, oh god you got zzo started on a rant < 1352594906 991218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://longbets.org/601/ < 1352594909 609852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :best bet < 1352594972 542593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than those things, other features I plan is a complete manual (including internals and pinouts), open source hardware as much as possible and open source software 100% (for built-in software; external software may or may not be), jumpers on mainboard, and currently the plan of the external ports: < 1352595055 286446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't http://longbets.org/291/ ruled on yet? < 1352595067 664595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :* CD/DVD (read-only) * Expansion port * Audio in and out, stereo for both * Composite video out * Component video out * Digi-RGB out * 4x 33SS input port * Compact flash * Panel with display and buttons < 1352595082 417825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Infrared receiver < 1352595087 261177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: probably because longbets seems sort of dead < 1352595089 630992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the US has not descended into Open Despotism, Pseudo-Democracy or Anarchy before the incumbent party holds its 2012 Presidential nominating convention, the challenger wins." < 1352595101 846142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that they had the elections already, I assume that happened too? < 1352595110 209142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well you could argue pseudo-democracy < 1352595113 721108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just sayin' < 1352595127 938836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should bet on your phone in a casino < 1352595137 868294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of on the computer. < 1352595144 275594 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Descended" suggests "a different status from what existed at the time the bet was made". < 1352595147 101107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The definition used there did involve not using a conventional nominating convention, though. < 1352595147 465922 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a betting person < 1352595172 809436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how's it going with their clock, though. < 1352595182 635846 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In government form, the US is utterly identical to that of 2007 US. < 1352595197 932237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for different people? < 1352595224 297393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, what are the party allegiances of the two supreme court justices who are likely to retire this term? < 1352595245 785639 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this one: http://longbets.org/129/ -- wherein the challenger (Brian Eno!) does it out of cynicism rather than disagreement. < 1352595329 75003 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1352595338 66871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well he still thought he'd win < 1352595340 850636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just he didn't /want/ to win < 1352595348 669777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess you could call it insurance < 1352595396 872439 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, I mean that you'd expect someone challenging to think the Republicans are just great and of course they'll win because they're awesome. < 1352595417 129271 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not really insurance, since the money goes to charity :P < 1352595433 240772 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352595438 544554 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1352595441 279228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I suppose Eno might think a Republican government might threaten the San Francisco Exploratorium < 1352595458 855059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Built-in software might include: * Date/time * Filesystem drivers * Keyboard translation * Play audio CD * Forth interpreter * BASIC interpreter * TCP/IP driver * DVI to PCL and all of it runs on a single-tasking operating system. < 1352595480 964142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, and it will also include a copy of the printed manual on the hard drive in case you want to print another copy. < 1352595505 114174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least to me this seem reasonable; maybe you it isn't I don't know!!! < 1352595581 371502 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, no SCTP support? No USB? < 1352595590 437633 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty useless and dated system that < 1352595610 627259 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also who uses CDs any more < 1352595678 321882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Correct; no USB. I think many complication and problem with USB, so instead it is 33SS (my own much simpler protocol, which will be documented; it has other advantages too such as self-cleaning). The DVD drive can load CD too, so even if you don't use CD, it has CD. < 1352595735 118673 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I don't care about DVD or CD, I do however require USB < 1352595741 271372 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly not a computer for me that < 1352595770 170900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't want DVD/CD then unscrew and open it and remove the optical drive. < 1352595814 769766 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't give me USB < 1352595821 291196 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: obviously you don't want USB < 1352595833 378299 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, also what GPU will you use? < 1352595846 903001 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, something with OpenGL 4 support I hope? < 1352595849 355084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1352595854 961534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, but it will make a space that you can add a USB or whatever. < 1352595883 577486 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, also how many cores will the CPU have? < 1352595893 603177 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and infrared? What is the point of IRDA? < 1352595911 828357 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :bluetooth and wifi are much more useful < 1352595926 403276 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ethernet mentioned either? < 1352595963 612061 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish more smartphones would ship with built-in FM transmitter < 1352595968 96756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I intend to design my own PPU and APU with its own instruction sets; there is no need to compile C programs on the PPU/APU; but the CPU is a slight variant of ARM2 so you can compile C programs on it. Currently, design for CPU with single core but that might change. Infrared is for remote control. But I just forgot to mention ethernet. < 1352596006 245695 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, PPU? Also the Arithmetic Processing Unit (APU) is a part of the CPU, no? < 1352596007 253447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number of cores of CPU and that stuff depend much on things I currently do not know. < 1352596022 106545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In this case, PPU means Picture Processing Unit, and APU is Audio Processing Unit. < 1352596022 418537 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, mine has that, it is kind of bad though. My old nokia had a less noisy one < 1352596023 607277 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-085-216-049-158.hsi.kabelbw.de QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1352596044 241477 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, so what about high performance 3D graphics? < 1352596051 160741 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unlike the Famicom, though, they will be much more powerful and have instruction sets.) < 1352596092 480361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: High quality 3D graphics is not a priority. But I may see if it will be possible. < 1352596094 903173 :MoALTz_!~no@host86-132-136-34.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1352596101 187392 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what way would a PPU differ from a GPU? < 1352596135 563775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: The name, I guess. < 1352596174 683531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The CPU is I intend to make a few modifications to the OpenCores Amber core, so GCC (but not LLVM) can compile programs targeting it, and it runs faster than an actual ARM2. < 1352596262 221359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a FM transmitter in this phone, but I haven't managed to test it even once. < 1352596263 225085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM only support ARM7 and newer but it may be able to be modified to support ARM2 as well. < 1352596281 271695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reportedly the signal strength is quite frequency-dependent, due to physics. < 1352596314 465439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wifi and bluetooth can be useful although may be connected using the expansion port. However, this is just plan so far so maybe it will have built-in, but if it does have such thing built-in it will have a hardware switch to disable them. < 1352596329 494292 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wish more smartphones would ship with built-in FM transmitter <-- oh I thought that was a typo for "reciever" < 1352596333 750370 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I guess I don't have one < 1352596355 411850 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :receiver* even < 1352596367 596371 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know there were phones with transmitters for that < 1352596372 895360 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nokia N900 has a transmitter--it's useful for streaming music to the car radio < 1352596375 351809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't tried the receiver either. :p < 1352596394 751156 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, why not just use bluetooth for that? Or a cable < 1352596397 745350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a N900; but there are other phones with the feature. < 1352596407 151137 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, the car I'm currently driving most support both < 1352596415 61700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Requires no support from the car radio is the point, of course. < 1352596420 516770 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay < 1352596424 875408 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: because most car radios I've used only support CD and FM < 1352596427 164028 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but modern cars have that < 1352596436 982425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But don't you have AM radio too? < 1352596441 646552 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, probably < 1352596442 251511 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, modern Volvo V70 has that feature at least < 1352596458 419407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a few people still drive cars that are not terribly modern. < 1352596465 140668 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1352596473 113229 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is awesome to drive modern cars though < 1352596521 712087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The N900 also has a consumer-IR transmitter; lirc can use it to drive just about anything with an IR remote control, or so I believe. Haven't managed to bother trying it out either. < 1352596578 558804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352596580 483148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR there was a program to run through the "power off" key signals of the whole lirc remote db, so that if there's an annoying TV screen in a public place, you can just turn it off. < 1352596606 230501 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, very nice < 1352596620 979340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is some devices for such thing, however I may prefer to mute the TV < 1352596634 215981 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be easy too < 1352596647 251660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the apps might support that too. < 1352596652 512702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since usually only I don't like it because of the noise, and other people may still want to watch TV. < 1352596656 883048 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never used the IR feature a lot < 1352596719 555925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a single IR-controllable device here at home, so it's not terribly useful. (Well, possibly a second one too, though not in use.) < 1352596771 921809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :People with piles of them that don't want to buy a separate multi-purpose remote might find it more useful. < 1352596837 451094 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have 3 such deviceds < 1352596839 217271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At my house we have two TV sets, one DVD player, one DVD/VCR combination, which are currently connected and which use infrared. (There may be others which are not currently connected so are not in use.) < 1352596840 158529 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :devices* < 1352596842 935230 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot anyway < 1352596864 380401 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :one TV, one DVD/VHS and one radio with IR based remotes < 1352596946 338274 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a receiver/amplifier kind of thing, and that's about it. (There's also a DVB-T USB stick with an IR receiver, but it's not in use since we stopped paying the TV access fee; next year it switches to a tax-funded scheme so maybe we'll dig it out though.) < 1352596971 614888 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case the stick'd be in a computer, and you don't need IR to speak to one of those. (Usually.) < 1352597063 537622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It came with one of those really cheap-looking tiny plastic no-feel-to-the-buttons remotes. < 1352597122 833275 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352597128 465279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it did work with lirc so it's possible to use anything else too. Assuming close-enough carrier frequency anyway.) < 1352597136 520742 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DVD/VCR can playback and record on both drives, even simultaneously. If we want to record a TV show to be able to watch later we will use the VHS, but if we want to keep it or transfer it to computer will use DVD. Once my brother want to put a recording of Super Smash Bros. Brawl so we recorded it on a DVD video and then copy to his computer. < 1352597305 278147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The consumer IR receivers tend to have some kind of hardware filter so that they sense only a particular carrier freq (typically 38 kHz) signal, presumably to make them less suspectible to noise from other IR sources. < 1352597338 160674 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sunlight is an IR source, so stuff that doesn't discriminate can have problems with that < 1352597418 397669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah; it's just not always the same frequency, so there can be (signal strength) problems mixing remotes and receivers. < 1352597466 822665 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make the remote blast on a lot of frequencies? < 1352597498 924536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But both the remotes and the receivers are fixed-frequency devices, is the problem. < 1352597526 202022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainly if you're making a multifunction remote, that's a possibility. < 1352597563 447944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not for repurposing an old remote for device X, while having a receiver scavenged from device Y. < 1352597563 708316 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1352597575 525592 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, good night < 1352597606 718364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember making a lirc remote file for a really old TV remote I had from a smoke-came-out-years-earlier TV set; happened to work out well enough with whatever I was using as the receiver. < 1352597847 238515 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1352598117 709569 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1352598118 5708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1352598129 362609 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yet my client claims 9.3 second lag < 1352598130 948275 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was < 1352598132 649395 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi < 1352598177 180091 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lag's imprecise, since it checks by pinging, and it only does that occasionally < 1352598898 161179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this computer I design will include in packaging: * Game controllers * RJ45 cables (used for ethernet and 33SS) * Keyboard * CompactFlash card * Complete manual (with tabs) * Remote control * DVD with many games included * RCA cables * [If you want printer, mouse, screwdriver, extra game controller, etc you have to get it separately.] < 1352599094 772926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also such things as USB adapter, NES/Famicom cartridge adapter, product catalog, floppy drive, you also need to get it separately, in some cases must be third party, or you can built it yourself from publicly available files and schematics. < 1352599581 321842 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1352600945 285426 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1352602125 698472 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352602194 617822 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1352602283 378269 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1352602300 306071 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1352602543 317698 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks forward to *somebody* being pissed at him
< 1352602571 375042 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So, yeah. I'm bisexual. I'm an atheist. Pitchforks on the right, high fives on the left, please." < 1352602623 114952 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voting for Famicompo is now open. < 1352602647 168804 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is famicompo < 1352602848 460875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://famicompo-mini.com/compo/vol9/ < 1352602917 453422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For voting, click one of the bottom two triangles (for the section you want to vote: original/cover) in the header, select "Entry" and fill the form, but first download and listen to the files. < 1352603146 409917 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont read the kanjisauce < 1352603217 559820 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of them are English, though; submissions and comments are accepted in English and in Japanese. < 1352603219 867840 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :漢字ソース読める。 < 1352603244 423045 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(kannsì so-su yomeru. kanji sōsu yomeru. I read the kanjisauce.) < 1352603272 106486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, if you download file and use program to play .NSF (NES/Famicom emulator can usually be used for this), you can listen to music. < 1352603353 462967 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1352603662 902580 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here has a cool simple arithmetical function implementing logical not (0 -> 1 everything else -> 0) with +-*/% ? < 1352603726 634141 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does using absolute value count as arithmetical < 1352603727 390622 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1352603741 799229 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess not < 1352603754 276285 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i doesn't :( < 1352603765 667023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use exponent (0^(0^x)) but I don't know using those operation. < 1352603775 991119 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean (0^x) < 1352603802 324370 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0^(0^x)) make 0 to 0 and nonzero to 1 < 1352603852 595047 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm nice < 1352603866 921412 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not gonna solve my problem < 1352603884 655553 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought 0^0 was undefined < 1352603885 279775 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think I can work my way without it < 1352603894 943067 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it is, unless you define it < 1352603906 397532 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and good people define it to 1 < 1352603915 639683 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiply by x, add one, mod 1 fail on -1 < 1352603921 182374 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fails
< 1352603969 703414 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1352603976 171044 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352603977 439499 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyone here has a cool simple arithmetical function implementing logical not (0 -> 1 everything else -> 0) with +-*/% ? < 1352603977 643016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is actually related to a Haskell type like (x -> Zero) < 1352603980 912922 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: If rather than everything else you had a specific value in mind, it'd be easier < 1352604000 938286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are treated the type as arithmetic/logic instead of type. < 1352604001 238318 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 -> -1 you could use (x+1)*(-1) < 1352604013 348540 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd point out that you're trying to create a discontinuous function by composition of continuous ones, but % isn't continuous. < 1352604031 810248 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :0+1 = 1 1 * -1 = -1 < 1352604032 836572 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1352604034 535482 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :%2 seems an obvious place to start < 1352604040 955230 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :-1 + 1 = 0 0 * -1 = 0 < 1352604046 347729 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe as last step < 1352604051 93774 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1352604067 32305 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you could try all the modulos < 1352604075 223479 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is / integer division? < 1352604076 313124 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, something I've wondered for a little while. < 1352604079 383058 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1352604081 351346 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is < 1352604088 614300 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1352604099 487303 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is < 1352604099 841067 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x/(x-1)+1)%2 might work < 1352604103 574805 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any computable sets of axioms that uni--no, not that. < 1352604110 345622 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1352604112 712043 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1352604119 746735 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Basically trying to create a function that takes integers and only has a spike at x=0 < 1352604120 61550 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think it is < 1352604120 764426 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x/(x-1/2)+1)%2 < 1352604124 622394 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And is flat elsewhere < 1352604125 353090 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :will work on all integers < 1352604140 756975 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any operating systems that, instead of using virtual memory and system calls and all that, work by recompiling all executed code so that it doesn't even try to do prohibited stuff? < 1352604151 616629 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, yes; that's discontinuous. < 1352604157 348883 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Integers have half values now? < 1352604161 81710 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yeah I just want 0 -> something nonzero anything nonzero -> 0 < 1352604175 76614 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yeah i should said 0.5 < 1352604178 658064 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the Java platform, and pretty much every application virtual machine, works that way. < 1352604200 490175 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said it had to take integers, not that all intermediate values had to be integers < 1352604236 69532 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :((x/2)-(x*2)+1)%2 ?? < 1352604247 383048 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: the dirac delta function only has a spike at a particular value, though it's value at that point is infinite < 1352604257 145385 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh wait < 1352604258 672172 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mind if the nonzero value is "infinity"? < 1352604265 418069 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're restricting this only to the integers < 1352604270 566175 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integers don't have infinity < 1352604271 326364 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that opens it up a lot < 1352604291 911385 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1352604294 189070 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine wouldn't work < 1352604297 220526 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Derp < 1352604312 580645 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x/(x-0.5)+1)%2 works for all integer x < 1352604321 839341 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1352604325 933357 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: That only works if you've got floating point somewhere < 1352604330 581746 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1352604332 50768 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1352604340 921568 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt work at 1 anyway < 1352604359 123741 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 0.5 would need to be like...0.9 < 1352604365 510122 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1352604367 486069 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.1 < 1352604373 492563 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.1 would be best < 1352604375 630549 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1352604379 240267 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it wouldn't < 1352604379 366383 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :different ideas... < 1352604392 78378 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.125 would be much better < 1352604417 908862 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1352604475 728450 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You're also assuming that floats get rounded rather than, say, floored < 1352604492 396162 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was assuming floor < 1352604503 887478 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1352604507 625456 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a minute < 1352604528 87326 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352604559 903340 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :((x-1)%256)/255 < 1352604560 607919 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352604562 321706 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/(2*x+1) maybe? < 1352604568 634424 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me plot that < 1352604575 188807 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually no < 1352604577 257592 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wouldn't work < 1352604580 301054 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352604581 40615 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this maps 0 to 255/255 < 1352604588 664363 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everything alse to small/255 which is 0 < 1352604611 624394 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the words 'lagrange' and 'interpolation' are creeping steadily into my mind < 1352604646 498094 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have the graph of 1/x stuck in my head < 1352604669 217225 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But division by zero is not kosher < 1352604695 155396 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Is x signed or unsigned? < 1352604725 952577 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in my very specific case it was a signed integer that I restrained to 0-255 < 1352604788 476318 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352604799 649075 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we restrict this to the positive integers? < 1352604817 927826 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1352604820 926064 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course we can < 1352604823 329797 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm < 1352604823 873290 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352604935 187216 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming / does truncation < 1352604944 298119 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/(x*x+1) < 1352604946 283134 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :should work < 1352604971 990775 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno why i didnt think of it before < 1352604984 777354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking the same thing, at the same time < 1352604992 750234 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its graph is the hat shape that hits 1 at zero and is between 0 and 1 everywhere else < 1352604995 895686 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION fires up gnuplut
< 1352605000 589473 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do greatest integer to it and bam < 1352605037 350967 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact you can make a continous version that is arbitrarily close to what you want without truncation < 1352605046 98607 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :name 1/(x^n+1) < 1352605059 552609 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1352605061 530315 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :This should work < 1352605065 115797 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :as n->infty, that goes to "zero everywhere and 1 at zero" < 1352605070 548459 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For negative numbers < 1352605072 317663 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And positive < 1352605085 162153 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just 1/(x*x+1) if you restrict to integers < 1352605122 971084 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean "just 1/(x*x+1) if you use integer division" < 1352606810 546813 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1352606836 61466 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sure < 1352606926 353175 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just 1/(x+1)? < 1352606997 812759 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe to include negative integers as well < 1352607010 168066 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thank you for your help and good night < 1352607260 329499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:22:37 i'll take a moment to plug my tiny thread library: http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/spawn/0.2/doc/html/Control-Concurrent-Spawn.html < 1352607264 841002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nostalgia. :-( < 1352607385 422895 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: It's a ship. It goes through the gate. < 1352607846 447914 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352607908 294220 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1352608277 922321 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1352608334 350057 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1352608468 975438 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1352608614 293093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For voting for Famicompo, I choose to: listen to files at random and vote them without seeing tht title, and without caring if it is original/cover, voting each song of a multisong file individually (the vote to send will be whichever is smallest, unless they are the same song with variation, in which case the largest number use instead). < 1352608646 417770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some comments may be written at this time, too. And then, read the titles, relisten if necessary, to write additional comments. < 1352608676 673004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of this is written in a local file. After is all written, to copy it to the form to send to Famicompo. < 1352608705 703749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this way is reasonable? < 1352608897 845357 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1352609072 391703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plug plug plug < 1352609087 491110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I saw rwbarton at a party < 1352609097 343726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told him that his excellent python quiz has fallen off the internet < 1352609105 721033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we subjected someone else at the party to the python quit < 1352609108 924297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quiz- < 1352609175 100160 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: whoa, he's a real person? < 1352609233 468551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which Python quiz? < 1352609248 148438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Sure! He was at HacBoston. < 1352609259 630345 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1352609267 364758 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must just suck < 1352609278 565420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20101009122154/http://web.mit.edu/rwbarton/www/python.html ? < 1352609341 676378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: For a few minutes ghc-core used Spawn. < 1352609381 78441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet i could do that quiz < 1352609426 124812 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :try it < 1352609433 752628 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like #3 < 1352609495 108034 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the quiz wasn't lost forever. < 1352609696 747344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: heh < 1352609713 486860 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like #4 < 1352609774 805980 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahaha < 1352610058 408691 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like #3 just because most people see it and think the answer is one of two things, and it turns out to be neither < 1352610231 845701 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352610241 359417 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even understand what the third line means < 1352610295 512770 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a generator comprehension < 1352610304 46769 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think along the lines of a Haskell list comprehension < 1352610324 810515 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahahahahahahahahahah < 1352610345 223096 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hilarious < 1352610349 368670 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it do that? < 1352610349 979539 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious, what's so hilarious < 1352610379 409129 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The snake oil programming language. < 1352610383 85547 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, knowing that there's a trick, I had some idea of what it was, but yeah, that's surprising < 1352610419 822360 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :31... huh? < 1352610472 897566 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, generator expressions make generators which are lazy, so that's part of it < 1352610499 302587 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would understand 11, I would understand 33, I do not understand 31. < 1352610512 111017 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1352610513 81177 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. I am the rube copumpkin prophesied < 1352610539 469189 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people would have guessed either 11 or 21 < 1352610544 81888 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only captures one of the two variables < 1352610552 329959 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had people argue that it's expected behavior, too < 1352610554 624969 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's bullshit < 1352610556 661794 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, why. < 1352610559 784507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys!! < 1352610560 805947 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no spoilers < 1352610563 21823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to do that quiz < 1352610568 55402 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i never can < 1352610568 316438 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever < 1352610568 941423 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd fail < 1352610569 741872 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is bullshit. Spoil'd < 1352610571 558976 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes no sense at all < 1352610572 910173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: no im good < 1352610574 856598 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im super good < 1352610577 780535 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But seriously, what the fuck? < 1352610597 398892 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly is uncomfortable with Python
< 1352610607 955420 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you know which variable is captured? < 1352610688 582823 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 makes no sense < 1352610689 866111 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just the first, huh. Crappy implementation. < 1352610721 108307 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1352610739 374323 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 is at least consistent. No fresh binding for the loop. < 1352610767 946344 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1352610785 805310 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the x's in the lambdas are the same x, which ends at 99. < 1352610796 506988 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, you mean i? < 1352610800 895759 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, yes. < 1352610814 381376 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I corrected Bike! I can die happy now! < 1352610819 750712 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I have no idea how you'd rebind a variable in Python. < 1352610846 525287 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting in an i=i doesn't work... < 1352610891 566118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: #1 is the same thing that would happen in Scheme < 1352610898 383642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you faithfully translated the mutating 'for' loop < 1352610906 64077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :closures close over mutable variables, not over values < 1352610908 790730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in both Scheme and Python < 1352610952 108949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Python you can't mutate those variables, though. < 1352610952 219255 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to go see what Clojure does < 1352610956 790510 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for "rebind a variable", there isn't a "let" construct < 1352610972 333702 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that much. < 1352610983 409666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you introduce a new scope with a new function < 1352610998 187919 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so just hack it with a lambda < 1352611003 703005 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think (lambda i: lambda x: x+i)(i) would do the expected thing < 1352611007 881075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is not very pythonic < 1352611020 906491 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C++ thingy on IdeOne does Paredit but Clojure doesn't < 1352611039 619236 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, that works. < 1352611234 413136 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/ErNJ7R < 1352611307 953062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 days since Sgeo last mentioned Clojure in #esoteric < 1352611313 88477 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, what would you do to make it idiomatic, in the totally reasonable use-case of "I need an array of a hundred indexed adders" < 1352611326 772283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An array of a hundred indexed adders isn't Pythonic, Bike. < 1352611342 553084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd probably use objects or something. < 1352611361 709640 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'm not entirely sure what the most idiomatic thing to do would be < 1352611362 9711 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say < 1352611373 733802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could use loop/recur, I guess < 1352611379 612863 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make a vector < 1352611391 37487 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: probably def adder(i): return lambda x: x + i < 1352611401 901922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've done this before anyway < 1352611409 599809 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how boringly reasonable < 1352611428 736455 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Clojure, arrays aren't idiomatic, vectors are preferred < 1352611453 971117 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference < 1352611459 332623 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vectors are immutable < 1352611475 709907 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have different performance characteristics, I think < 1352611495 926928 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I have a transient wish that just for a brief moment words would mean things... < 1352611521 560252 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "functor" is always fun. < 1352611542 606662 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each language that has "functors" has an entirely different and unrelated idea of what a functor is < 1352611578 41594 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how do you not know how to initialize a vector? that must be pretty basic < 1352611697 639848 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/TwDf2E < 1352611701 288357 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This should be idiomatic < 1352611703 361311 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could also map < 1352611718 551220 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I have no real use for that vec < 1352611756 161151 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem isn't really something you'd want to actually do, it's just to demonstrate how a part of python works < 1352611757 90590 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, because I derped < 1352612609 252396 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently my recent Facebook post was "aggressive". < 1352612649 41236 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because simply saying "I am atheist" is... In some way an affront to people? < 1352612682 316706 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone said that in private? < 1352612694 290483 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1352612713 490324 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mom trying to advise me of a potential shit storm. < 1352612748 423627 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, she's right about that much < 1352612786 712544 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm bi. Wheeee < 1352613697 718024 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1352613721 187945 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352613956 140291 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: how could you! < 1352615111 320385 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With ease! < 1352615199 331842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : iamatheist < 1352615207 320352 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smartass. < 1352616781 577567 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :where abouts are you? Not a major city, I take it < 1352616812 891978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who do you ask? < 1352616892 574183 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Colorado Springs, CO < 1352616918 539966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gracenotes < 1352616930 502462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What're you doing here? < 1352616985 857574 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being a language enthusiast < 1352617136 334225 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last I was here was a few years ago... < 1352617156 608542 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds right. < 1352617394 883207 :hagb4rd|outoford!~perdito@koln-4d0b62d0.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1352617543 68178 :hagb4rd|outoford!~perdito@koln-4d0b62d0.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352617965 403500 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I suspect that the “aggressive” part was “pitchforks on the right, high fives on the left”, particularly because I imagine those directions were not chosen arbitrarily. < 1352617992 9469 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I did not see the political implications of that until literally just now. < 1352617998 633791 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha < 1352618008 64134 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well played, sir. < 1352618143 619278 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, my department sort of idolizes bill tutte < 1352619758 799718 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably eat < 1352619770 606721 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already ate today, 3 slices of pizza and ice cream, but should really eat dinner. < 1352619887 705810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ice cream by the slice. < 1352619900 56332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I heard 99¢ pizza is back to 99¢. :-( < 1352620128 291591 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually bored on the Internet right now. < 1352620131 195166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a weird feeling. < 1352620150 4595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1352620181 617662 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1352620224 373727 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO KALLISTI < 1352620240 776580 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you < 1352620285 536693 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CURIOUS AS TO WHY YOU ARE SHOUTING VIA YOUR NICk < 1352620301 405593 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like the ancient greek < 1352620416 636446 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-085-216-049-158.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1352620712 263628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ztirf < 1352620724 730315 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ztirf: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1352620909 914603 :hagb4rd|outoford!~perdito@koln-4d0b62d0.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352621037 974615 :hagb4rd|outoford!~perdito@koln-4d0b62d0.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352621121 49666 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1352621283 127785 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea for another esoteric language < 1352621299 714900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :KALLISTI: What idea? Write in list of ideas < 1352621321 711301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The list of ideas is the topic, right? < 1352621356 369901 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :List of ideas is one of the articles in esolang wiki. However, I mean mention your idea on the IRC too if you like to do so. < 1352621776 612703 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: kind of a mixture between traditional expression based languages, with a tree writing system < 1352621792 633798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you telling me? < 1352621799 751501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate all esolangs. < 1352621802 913869 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ^ < 1352621806 897685 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: good point < 1352621897 90447 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate esolangs too < 1352622060 762585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1352622455 945104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT : < 1352623129 688696 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1352624078 764877 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This seems to be an odd channel to be in for someone who hates esolangs < 1352624086 535886 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, since it's always off topic, maybe not. < 1352624122 192744 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*almost always. The same way that a random number between 0 and 1 will almost never be exactly 0.5 < 1352624268 888313 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1352625592 844865 :hagb4rd|outoford!~perdito@koln-4d0b62d0.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352625867 498412 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1352625898 103907 :hagb4rd|outoford!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352627020 682095 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I are hungry. < 1352627143 659166 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-085-216-049-158.hsi.kabelbw.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1352628261 637848 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-085-216-049-158.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1352628304 292050 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1352629014 3748 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352629370 50195 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1352629860 817477 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minor Clojure annoyance time: < 1352629866 549044 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(channel* & {:keys [grounded? permanent? transactional? messages description meta], :as options}) < 1352629882 725148 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't need to know the exact details of the destructuring that some function uses on its arguments < 1352629899 633899 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That :as options thing is not something that the user of a function would really care about < 1352631023 452271 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1352631054 249585 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1352631880 907982 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1352632286 144338 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352632757 11161 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-236-110.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1352632760 702821 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-173-236.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1352634455 28219 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352636646 67285 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-085-216-049-158.hsi.kabelbw.de QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1352637642 172486 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1352637673 128906 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1352637763 874112 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352638391 346253 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-173-164.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352638997 769477 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-173-164.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: lunch < 1352639024 792988 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352639037 80834 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352640218 139800 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352640255 794698 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352640282 534855 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352641236 721216 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-173-164.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352641505 755810 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-173-164.as13285.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1352644946 357051 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1352646642 112210 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352646844 517112 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1352647793 39282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352648351 279876 :hagb4rd|outoford!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you ever want to see what happens if the women ever take control come to cologne on a 11.11. < 1352648512 707355 :hagb4rd|outoford!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like in the story of sir galahad in the movie of monty python < 1352648554 431107 :hagb4rd|outoford!~perdito@koln-4db422bf.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :castle anthrax yess < 1352649288 530126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens on 11.11? < 1352649678 329914 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352651186 589123 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I guess you better not wear a tie, or lace-up shoes < 1352651681 362432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Rememberance Day... < 1352651697 223843 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what the hell hagb4rd|outoford is doing, other than that it's in rather poor taste. < 1352651713 353327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh damn, *Remembrance < 1352651869 468387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah i have monday off of work for this same reason < 1352651933 645291 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a Commonwealth thing? < 1352652310 824930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_Day#Similar_observances_outside_the_Commonwealth < 1352652359 824159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the USA it's Veteran's Day; we have a separate Memorial Day too < 1352652404 487021 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the latter is for the dead and the former is for all veterans < 1352652930 176108 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-085-216-049-158.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1352653714 405801 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352653818 537633 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-085-216-049-158.hsi.kabelbw.de QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1352654591 73550 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1352656712 318387 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1352656732 950695 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1352657577 729283 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com NICK :TodPunk < 1352659710 874059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have joined ##posix and ##unix < 1352659746 285664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not affiliated with the Open Group, the Organisation internationale de normalisation, or SCO Group < 1352661103 681075 :R3d-S0u|!R3d@151.73.90.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352661153 563252 :R3d-S0u|!R3d@151.73.90.99 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1352661253 599101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1352661536 981068 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to destroy the celebration with a trumpet http://youtu.be/QxnY2SWZTvk < 1352661585 640815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a "Kaatuneiden muistopäivä" ("memorial day for the fallen") for people who died in any wars or such involving Finland, but it's strategically placed on a Sunday (third Sunday of May) so as to not result in any extra time off. < 1352662093 755077 :R3d-S0u|!R3d@151.73.90.99 PART :#esoteric < 1352662614 476520 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sneaky < 1352662707 261940 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352662973 158459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and today was also "Father's Day" here; and apparently in Estonia, Sweden, Norway and Iceland too; even though most of the rest of the world has it as the third Sunday of June instead. < 1352662983 784078 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352663085 102981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"More phone calls are made in the United States during Mother's Day than during Father's Day, but the percentage of collect calls on Father's Day is much higher, making it the busiest day of the year for collect calls." < 1352663088 985456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curious. < 1352663122 877562 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fathers calling their kids collect as a subtle way of reminding them they should've called? < 1352663146 712577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think it means you work too much. < 1352663473 93906 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1352663526 615454 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, Raspberry Pi lacks an RTC? I guess that means it won't keep time when off? Weird design choice < 1352663538 127090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you add one? < 1352663556 369321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some projects adding one, I believe. < 1352663564 9205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly has enough interfacing options for that. < 1352663579 840595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I suppose they just didn't want to bother adding a battery on the thing, those are so inelegant. < 1352663579 965441 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know, I'm just looking at the specs atm, I'm considering getting a Raspberry Pi < 1352663593 923745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got one, and I use it for absolutely nothing. < 1352663603 195845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also got it like week before they did that 512M upgrade. < 1352663608 597177 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if it can start on power connected, after a power outage or such < 1352663609 318728 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1352663620 734554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have an "off" mode. < 1352663623 369712 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1352663624 606846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on if it gets power. < 1352663644 336490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when you shut it down it displays "please turn off the power now" or such? < 1352663652 114192 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much did it cost btw? < 1352663672 53593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC shutdown -h just shut the HDMI down, so it didn't display anything. < 1352663678 159588 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352663689 511625 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well how do you unmount stuff before pulling the power? < 1352663698 401504 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :will shutdown -h do that at least? < 1352663709 370060 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, it'll do that before halting. < 1352663713 902390 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1352663733 335614 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just doesn't "turn off", since it doesn't have a power switch. < 1352663738 274032 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I figured out that I need a matching SD card (that looks complicated to find), a HDMI->DVI converter and a power supply for it to be usable for me < 1352663756 404597 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly a case would be a good idea < 1352663773 918946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it cost that official price, $35, plus some amount of money for the delivery. I forget exactly. It was from Element 14, anyway, and it was a friend ordering a bunch, so I wasn't directly involved in the order. < 1352663785 733695 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have a use case for it though, but one that require more than a 4 GB SD card by far. 16 or 32 probably < 1352663800 360024 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be available in a local store < 1352663804 122157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used a scrappy no-name 2G SD card that I had from Italy somewhere. < 1352663809 155254 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got bored and my computer was refusing to connect to the internet, so I started writing a brainfuck interpreter < 1352663834 412565 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Bought it when running out of storage taking photos thereabouts.) < 1352663837 402557 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, those parts? Probably, maybe not the SD card though, it seems it is is very picky with series < 1352663872 588657 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just plugged in a card I had at home, and it worked like a charm < 1352663884 862451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did I. < 1352663887 258339 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway how does linux keep the system time with no RTC? < 1352663896 446373 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm curious now < 1352663899 763313 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I think I run it on a microSD card through a converter < 1352663901 862293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh.. it's not like x86 Linux would use the RTC for timekeeping either. < 1352663915 400736 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, sure but what does it use instead? < 1352663946 699699 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it can pretty much use anything that ticks < 1352663947 145017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just know the x86 timer sources, and I've forgotten even those; there was at least TSC and HPET timers. < 1352663949 322149 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPU frequency is not all that stable even when you don't do dynamic frequency stuff < 1352663961 244951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TSC on modern x86 CPUs is invariant. < 1352663965 259192 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah nice < 1352663968 48337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of frequency.) < 1352663978 591654 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :HPET is pretty nice as well < 1352664118 495888 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.webhallen.com/se-sv/hardvara/159735-sandisk_secure_digital_ultra_16gb seems to work well: http://www.google.com/search?q=raspberry%20pi%20sdsdu-016g-u46 < 1352664132 516253 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1352664138 819696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is there a version with CompactFlash? < 1352664145 785562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for power, I got my power out of the N900's USB charger so far. < 1352664159 31149 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah I kind of use my USB charger for my phone < 1352664166 733334 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my old phones did not do charging by USB < 1352664173 60624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use it all the time, though. < 1352664194 170784 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The plan for my possible Pi would require it being on constantly < 1352664217 26818 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For more permanent use I was thinking of getting a suitable powered USB hub; the wiki lists quite a few models that reportedly can do the "provides power for Pi as well as a USB hub for it" thing. < 1352664226 449102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's still on the TODO list. < 1352664246 701127 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wait, can it use power over the USB-A ports? < 1352664251 327617 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what do you mean < 1352664264 981039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but you can use one of the USB hub's outgoing ports to provide power to the Pi. < 1352664271 255489 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1352664290 330940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, technically speaking I believe you can hack it to accept "feedback" power via the USB-A ports too, but that'd be a real kludge.) < 1352664291 736156 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't it only provide 100 mA unless the device asks for more? < 1352664316 884797 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the power port didn't have any pins except the power ones connected < 1352664349 405756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't. But if it's a USB-BC dedicated charging port, it should push out something like 1A or more by default. < 1352664362 718250 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how fast cards would be useful in the pi, what can the host controller deal with < 1352664369 966045 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :would a class 10 card be overkill? < 1352664390 399730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And apparently many hubs are perfectly willing to provide power out to ports that are disconnect w.r.t. D+/D-. < 1352664401 605363 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352664402 991783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking I'll just read the wiki and pick some model that's known to work well. < 1352664428 124556 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what would a HDMI->DVI converter cost, I have no monitors with HDMI < 1352664449 587517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I won't use the display past initial setup and possible debugging < 1352664459 771084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HDMI-DVI-cables seem to cost about the same as HDMI-HDMI and DVI-DVI cables. < 1352664467 840330 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1352664477 913132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know about adapters, but they should be really cheap according to logic. < 1352664539 970403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, logic is not always a reliable source when it comes to hardware prices. < 1352664549 628530 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1352664562 758366 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering it it requires an active cable < 1352664567 424519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't. < 1352664574 432275 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be DP->HDMI or DP->DVI that does then < 1352664587 929120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HDMI is just DVI minus the analog and dual-link parts, plus something about digital audio. < 1352664613 979560 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :DP-to-DVI/HDMI may need an active cable, depending on the source. < 1352664656 302683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe many graphics cards have DP connectors that you can connect to DVI/HDMI via passive adapters, since they can provide the TMDS signal over the DP pins. < 1352664704 571046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's things like EyeFinity cards with 3*DP where you can connect up to two DVI devices with passive adapters, but the third needs an active one, because the card runs out of suitable clock generators for TMDS output. < 1352664732 508125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The active DP-to-DVI devices cost an absurd amount of money when I was looking at them.) < 1352664757 12038 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm I have an AMD card that can drive up to 4 monitors iirc, but it has like 2 DVI (one DVI-I one DVI-D), one DP and one HDMI < 1352664760 739332 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something weird like that < 1352664802 288100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds somewhat probable that the DP port couldn't drive a passive-adaptor DVI, then, given how many DVI-ish outputs it already has. < 1352664818 854772 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I only use a single DVI output currently < 1352664859 304839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dual-mode DisplayPort (also known as DisplayPort++[26]) can directly emit single-link HDMI and DVI signals using a simple passive adapter that adjusts for the lower voltages required by DisplayPort." < 1352664873 665223 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimp in Ubuntu Unity is annoying < 1352664881 874421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they've invented a special logo for that, a DP with a ++ in it. < 1352664967 114719 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, oh? < 1352664987 66084 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh, well then I know my laptop would need an active adapter too < 1352665015 532554 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352665115 399293 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1352665132 125205 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that they even released a version without ethernet is confusing to me < 1352665163 700368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's officially an educational tool, you don't necessarily need networking for that. < 1352665171 109421 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :really, is it? < 1352665188 116802 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was just a super-awesome product < 1352665206 313970 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this olpc or something like that < 1352665211 121466 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, you can't go straight from the toolbox to a file menu thingy < 1352665212 25459 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, RPi < 1352665219 364312 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1352665223 307150 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, hm? < 1352665240 339749 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gimp < 1352665241 173321 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1352665257 436479 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, yeah that is stupid < 1352665271 132775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :蓬Π < 1352665288 152316 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it only shows the thingies for the window you're on, and the toolbox is a separate window < 1352665326 722600 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so total cost is something like $70 or so when shipping, SD card, power supply, monitor cable, case and so on are included < 1352665343 386163 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite as cheap suddenly < 1352665372 377024 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, there are two issues here: 1) unity is terrible 2) gimp has a terrible GUI on *anything* < 1352665405 823981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "-- developed in the UK by the Raspberry Pi Foundation with the intention of stimulating the teaching of basic computer science in schools." < 1352665415 920317 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gimp's bad GUI is a tradition < 1352665417 868933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All their public statements have emphasized the education thing. < 1352665421 320247 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want a better GUI, use something else < 1352665501 957240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: They e.g. didn't include the MPEG2 hw-decode license with the board officially because they didn't have any idea people would actually buy Pi's for media-center use. < 1352665545 910526 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hah < 1352665561 483672 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how could they have missed that angle? < 1352665576 613273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352665613 985089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I suppose they were just so single-mindedly doing the "cheap computer for schools" angle. < 1352665620 564811 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352665646 894780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the stated reasons for the 512M bump was the unexpected uses people kept putting the thing to. < 1352665672 276799 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I would manage on 256M but 512M is certainly a lot nicer < 1352665737 386072 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrrm, given the lack of RTC, won't it try to fsck on every boot, at least if you use ext3/4 < 1352665747 886315 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh and what filesystem do you use on the card? < 1352665791 134863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fixed-fraction shared with the GPU, so it's generally something closer to 192M or 224M of RAM for the system. < 1352665820 32202 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1352665828 661697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I just put whatever raspbian-installer put there, which was probably ext3; really, since I don't have any use case for it yet, I just put something in there to see that it boots. < 1352665840 32516 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, fixed fraction? can you configure it with a boot flag? < 1352665857 884915 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, irc bouncer obviously < 1352665871 713907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's configurable but not changeable at "runtime". < 1352665876 382665 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1352665908 724985 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically after the initial setup I would configure it to give me a minimum sized display in case I need to debug something, since it will be headless for my use case < 1352665910 850040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the lowest supported for the GPU even for a headless system is 16M, I believe. < 1352665939 516520 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway use case ideas: irc bouncer, simple server to ssh into and initiate WOL from to wake up your beefy computer at home < 1352665977 971222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have my 4*gigE mini-ITX Atom box for IRC/ssh-into/DNS/router/etc. box, though. < 1352666008 726335 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is probably using several times as much power as the RPi though < 1352666013 38158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly RPi would use less juice, but getting four network holes into it sounds nontrivial. < 1352666022 868460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, kWh's aren't *that* expensive. < 1352666026 104544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yet.) < 1352666035 529092 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I have a switch anyway so... < 1352666057 511417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A switch won't firewall anything. < 1352666085 82442 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh, I have an ADSL modem with router and such built in as well < 1352666115 516224 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway what about VLAN? That would work no? < 1352666150 845545 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would configure the switch to send everything external to the RPi, let it do the firewall, and resend on a different VLAN tag < 1352666170 814448 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(however at this point your switch is so expensive it isn't worth it any more) < 1352666191 636652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have switches that manageable, and anyway I doubt you could push terribly much traffic over the RPi's USB-100baseT-ethernet hole. < 1352666196 291383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, funny thing, my desktop intel express pro gbit whatever networking thingy actually support VLAN < 1352666214 763614 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, wait, USB? How does USB come into it? < 1352666225 70256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPi's Ethernet is connected over USB. < 1352666231 559393 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1352666235 632979 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a weird design < 1352666246 67234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's part of the combined USB hub / Ethernet chip from SMC. < 1352666272 531944 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352666284 670513 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I thought it was just two features of the same chip < 1352666304 209063 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than the ethernet being visible over the USB controller < 1352666315 470700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The A model has a single USB port (on the ARM SoC); the B model has the SMC chip permanently wired into that, and the SMC provides a USB hub with three logical ports, one of which is directly connected to the USB-Ethernet thing. < 1352666367 453804 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352666378 618745 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is that USB 2.0? < 1352666385 845240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, yes. < 1352666399 41878 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, can't expect USB 3 from that thing < 1352666433 986446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ARMv6 thing is also a bit of a shame; no NEON or anything. < 1352666452 112176 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :true, maybe I should just hold off to a future generation of the RPi < 1352666505 801388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re VLAN, I am under the impression that most Linux drivers support 802.1q VLANs more or less well; certainly it works well enough for me. (I've got a VLAN for making sure traffic from the Atom box to the webserver laptop doesn't accidentally leak over the VDSL2 pipe, since I don't trust that ZTE piece of crap to do anything correctly.) < 1352666543 273259 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352666568 144605 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how do you set up VLAN under Linux btw? < 1352666602 375066 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :iptables? < 1352666624 851085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :iproute2's "ip" tool can do it; there was also something earlier, 'vconfig' or something like that. < 1352666639 994271 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it well documented for ip? < 1352666645 4978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And distro-specific things; I think e.g. Debian's "/etc/network/interfaces" thing has syntax for it. < 1352666705 888220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not terribly complicated, at least. ip link add link realif0 name realif0.42 type vlan id 42 and then you can configure the realif0.42 interface and everything sent there will be 802.1q-tagged with the tag 42 and sent over realif0. < 1352666721 760347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And everything thus tagged coming in from realif0 will instead appear in that interface.) < 1352666734 881781 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1352666749 64247 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that help with your atom box though? < 1352666773 436206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. The network setup here is such that there's a VDSL2 box in bridging mode, connected to a switch with the server-laptop and the Atom box; the Atom box then isolates that DMZ area from the other network holes it has, namely LAN, wifi and the NAS box. < 1352666810 379543 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1352666819 837567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was worried that even with local 10/8 range IPs, internal traffic between the server-laptop and whatever's behind the Atom box would leak over the bridging VDSL2 box, since it's such a stupid device. < 1352666842 960089 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does the switch handle the VLAN tags then? < 1352666847 397424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or how does VLAN help < 1352666871 575312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made all that go over a VLAN, and configured the VDSL2 box's really poor filtering things never pass any 802.1Q traffic over the DSL link. < 1352666886 72076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I still need to trust it to do that right, but at least I've made an attempt. < 1352666887 504901 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352666904 411938 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not put everything behind the atom box instead? < 1352666915 887683 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have it DMZ to the server laptop < 1352666943 557259 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put the NAS and the LAN on a common switch on the inside < 1352666963 435562 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that'd be a possible setup; but it sounds like it'd need some slightly trickier configuration, since the server laptop needs to acquire a public IP over DHCP from the ISP. < 1352666982 276742 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you have multiple IPs? < 1352666983 54642 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1352666987 414664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, "needs" is in quotes. < 1352666996 349334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They officially allow up to 5 public DHCP ips. < 1352667001 413866 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352667022 626447 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, since it is a laptop couldn't you just access it over wifi instead? < 1352667052 935635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... suppose. Honestly, enabling wifi on it hasn't really even occurred to me. I'm not sure it has working wifi. < 1352667060 218576 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1352667071 441184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of old, but not *that* old, so... well, it could go either way. < 1352667078 514298 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could use BT maybe XD < 1352667085 632469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a Pentium-M 1.5 GHz thing.) < 1352667093 435850 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, should have wifi < 1352667097 787766 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or could at least < 1352667201 942028 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how is the GPIO exposed to user space on the RPi? < 1352667211 316517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :something in /dev? < 1352667324 707479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget exactly; it's some kind of a standard Linux approach to such things. < 1352667420 896475 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what real time versions of linux are there... < 1352667511 656758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/master/Documentation/pinctrl.txt -- it drops into this infrastructure, I believe. < 1352667527 142276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then you can use standard things to run I2C or whatever over the pins.) < 1352667583 534741 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1352667594 410118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem to talk much about the userspace side of accessing these. < 1352667616 677001 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well sure, it isn't exactly difficult to do I2C or whatever over plain GPIO by yourself. I have done that on AVR < 1352667638 905484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not, but it's nice not to reinvent wheels so much, sometimes. < 1352667663 673497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, server-laptop's lspci doesn't list anything too wifi-ish, though I did learn something I didn't know before, namely that there's a firewire port on it somewhere. < 1352667679 243322 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352667754 132918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if I had a suitable cable, I could run that firewire networking... except that the Atom board probably doesn't do firewire. < 1352667774 680243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever managed to actually use a firewire-connected anything at home. < 1352667841 41522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used firewire networking at one point to a desktop with only 100 mbit ethernet < 1352667847 372510 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sped up file transfer a lot < 1352667872 488882 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was regularly transferring several GB off it at that point < 1352667873 585021 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :)( < 1352667879 201958 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/($// < 1352667892 698248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We had two firewire-capable laptops with us in Belgium, and only one Ethernet cable for the hotel's Interweb connection. < 1352667908 559357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wifi was a bit iffy in the room, so had to share the network connection over ad-hoc wifi. < 1352667927 369524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since we didn't have a firewire cable for using that instead. < 1352667965 78946 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352667969 269990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that the hotel's intertubes connection was fast enough for it to matter all that much. < 1352667989 939801 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :firewire is getting kind of rare these days :/ < 1352668014 179197 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1352668025 404032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How's it going with Thunderbolt? Still anywhere except some iComputers? < 1352668160 14508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This laptop's FireWire port is some kind of a "mini" connector. < 1352668182 324182 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here < 1352668198 284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:FireWire_cables.jpg the leftmost one. < 1352668208 892923 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :same on this laptop < 1352668212 84351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a vague feeling the iBook had a full-size port. < 1352668221 636737 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lucky for me I have a mini-to-fullsize cable < 1352668427 346987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of funny that the S/PDIF optical-out on this thing seems to be always-on, so if you put anything to the right of the laptop, it's illuminated with a red glow from one of the 3.5mm audio jacks; the one that has the dual-purpose optical-S/PDIF out in it. < 1352668443 973529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's easy to remember which jack to plug it in by just putting a hand next to them all. < 1352668446 945201 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352668458 423490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is kind of silly < 1352668477 270958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it goes dark if I mute the sound, which is funny. < 1352668566 211529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I have seen devices with optical audio are red even when off, so I don't know why it would be dark if muted. < 1352668592 714347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd probably be red even if it were sending silence; I guess the driver turns the whole transmitter off somehow. < 1352668713 348679 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, this is the server laptop? < 1352668719 472364 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess muting is a reasonable idea then < 1352668740 627458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it was the... uh, laptop-laptop. < 1352668744 682775 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1352668769 108598 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352668814 138235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though for all I know the server-laptop could do the same thing; it does have on-board audio, after all. < 1352668847 986437 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come to think of it, it probably has built-in speakers too; I mean, it *is* a laptop. < 1352668898 713112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you never know when the capability to remotely make a noise in that room could come in handy. < 1352668961 463692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SparcStation 5 had a rather impressive built-in speaker; I wasn't aware of that incidentally, and got quite a scare when I thought I'd just out of curiosity try to play an audio file. < 1352668984 175887 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352668991 802580 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you have a sparcstation? < 1352669014 442626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been in the basement for quite a while, but yes. < 1352669047 201041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was my main router/IRC box for several years. < 1352669099 924173 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1352669109 234303 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you stop using it for that? < 1352669112 465138 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the power usage? < 1352669142 121996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, and it has (at least) two terribly loud fans, and I slept like two metres from it while in the one-room student apartment. < 1352669257 841992 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive you managed that < 1352669282 976683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These days I don't even have a monitor I could display its console on, since I got rid of the big hulking CRT. < 1352669299 931971 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the RPi boot via the GPU. Weird < 1352669337 330895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a "Sun 13w3 to 4xBNC" cable for it, but it needs a CRT screen that has the BNC connectors and can do combined H/V sync. < 1352669351 564617 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean "combined H/V sync"? < 1352669358 763273 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :same sync for horizontal and vertical? < 1352669372 263653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Single wire for it; I don't know how it works. < 1352669372 944364 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it counts the number of syncs to know where it is? < 1352669385 755636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be a different kind of pulse. < 1352669388 304771 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The haskell tag on Tumblr has too much rugby < 1352669477 671069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't know; anyway, the CRT I had handled it fine. According to specs, it supported separate H/V sync (5xBNC, like VGA has), combined H/V sync (4xBNC), and even sync-on-green (3xBNC) reportedly used by some workstations. < 1352669593 417792 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352669599 945431 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you don't have that monitor any more? < 1352669607 59173 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how will you ever use your sparcstation then? < 1352669635 430346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can do serial console just fine. < 1352669648 843227 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1352669652 941081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I suppose I shall never see the fancy font any more. < 1352669661 480103 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had a fancy font? < 1352669675 540646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fancy compared to 8x16 VGA, that is. < 1352669679 482982 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1352669695 893234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like 12x22 and a correspondingly higher resolution. < 1352669715 676539 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bitmaps are of course available from the Internet. < 1352669747 244810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As an aside, I also think the lower-right panel is misleading. A betting decision depends not just on probabilities but also on utilities. If the sun as gone nova, money is worthless. Hence anyone, Bayesian or not, should be willing to bet $50 that the sun has not exploded." < 1352669757 434273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I still have the Type 5 keyboard, but that's not very useful without a monitor for the actual console. < 1352669813 910241 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, bet you all the american currency I have that the sun hasn't exploded < 1352669844 541067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: is that 0 < 1352669878 126238 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you a nonzero amount of american currency that the sun hasn't exploded < 1352669902 560816 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm there is info on overclocking the RPi, but nothing on underclocking it < 1352669914 981627 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO it doesn't need to run at 700 MHz when the load is low < 1352670073 864670 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's 0.01 < 1352670101 84772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://wiki.stocksy.co.uk/wiki/Raspberry_Pi_Internet_in_a_box#Frequency_Scaling says that you can have it do the usual ondemand scaling at least for the [100 MHz, 700 MHz] range. < 1352670147 998393 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1352670152 424348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Apparently the "turbo mode" can also go downwards and not only upwards.) < 1352670217 783961 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm what are the steps here I wonder < 1352670226 901971 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 MHz at a time? < 1352670284 884534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, now that you spoke of the monitor issue, it's borderline possible there's also a native 13W3-connector monitor that'd work with the SparcStation in the same basement storage locker. I think the SGI Indy came with one, and I don't recall getting rid of it. < 1352670312 787214 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352670317 659747 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have an SGI Indy too? < 1352670318 721097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1352670332 931548 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why did you buy those expensive workstations? < 1352670360 70426 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :he probably got them used for almost-free < 1352670392 675160 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, used, right < 1352670453 996735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1352670493 897407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1352670521 693273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SparcStation came from an auction by a quirky company (Damicon Kraa) specializing in Sun stuff (in those days), and I think it cost somewhere around 100 eur. < 1352670552 925507 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Indy was completely free, surplus from the university when they got rid of them; it used to be in a classroom. < 1352670627 343672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some guy in the Internet mailed me a SS5 motherboard with a faster CPU and an SBUS fast-ethernet-and-SCSI card for some ridiculously cheap price. < 1352670653 566682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might've even been some guy from this weird IRC channel called "#esoteric". < 1352670677 345690 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those guys are weird < 1352670694 900615 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"weird" is a rather fitting word < 1352670717 501290 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1352670729 391385 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only the 25th top poster on the IWC forums! < 1352670733 946747 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be 24th! < 1352670748 165282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very soon you won't be in the top 25 at all. < 1352670800 530573 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not too late! < 1352670804 295246 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make more posts! < 1352670805 816729 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahaha! < 1352671315 688209 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-085-216-049-158.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1352671473 430985 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ztirf < 1352671483 425013 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ztirf: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1352672162 228394 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1352672560 379013 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352672698 478668 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352674149 893051 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1352674206 408470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how fast the clock speed of OpenCores Amber core is? I will need to know this. < 1352674229 32939 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352674262 908640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, more precisely, I would need to know how such things are figured out. < 1352674269 802756 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1352674288 581319 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
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< 1352674311 706659 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traditionally, Chinese abacii were hexadecimal. < 1352674335 84361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: doesn't it come down to the physical gate delay of whatever system you synthesize it in? < 1352674339 502712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are? I didn't know that. < 1352674370 626081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally with FPGAs it's hard to say the max clock speed a priori because it depends on how all the gate layout and scheduling of shared interlinks goes < 1352674380 628794 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they were designed so each column represented numbers 0 through 15. < 1352674423 333922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I would think so, but I don't know how you calculate it from that. The documentation for Amber says it is for Xilinx Spartan6, so I may use that at first until it is available to port it to a open-source FPGA, one-time-programmable FPGA, and/or ASIC. < 1352674477 278722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it would have to be modified to work with different kind of FPGA anyways than Xilinx Spartan6, as far as I can tell. < 1352674532 750505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I suppose you can still make up the hexadecimal abacus if you want to have one like that, though. < 1352674780 650466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you know of Xilinx Spartan6 supports one-time-programmable? I would prefer to use one-time-programmable if possible, since it would not be useful to reprogram it if the FPGA is not open-source. < 1352674848 174800 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1352674886 33663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1352674913 64381 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352675227 58557 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1352675271 611519 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1352675666 356391 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1352676282 564948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352676298 862246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352676657 864669 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-17-8-212.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1352677435 681499 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-085-216-049-158.hsi.kabelbw.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1352677697 672393 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-085-216-049-158.hsi.kabelbw.de JOIN :#esoteric