00:00:14 Arc_Koen, at least it appears to be based on the original movies, not the prequels. 00:00:17 you'd basically have to do it "dna style" and have an attached protein that substitutes along a structure, splittting it into two behind it 00:00:44 Vorpal: movies? THEY DID ANGRY BIRD MOVIES?? 00:00:47 Arc_Koen, and the music is better than the normal terrible angry birds music. Other than that is basically the same idea. 00:00:49 how excitingly exotic 00:00:52 Arc_Koen, no the star wars ones 00:01:08 Arc_Koen, since it is angry birds star wars 00:01:17 they did angry birds star wars movies???? 00:01:27 Arc_Koen, they did angry birds star wars game 00:01:29 let's just say 00:01:30 Arc_Koen: yes 00:01:32 and be done with it 00:01:35 * Arc_Koen dies 00:01:36 Angry Starbird Wars. 00:01:41 Arc_Koen, which is based on star wars 3-6 00:01:46 or 3-5 even 00:01:50 oh hey I just saw an ad for twilight 5 today 00:01:54 really through could a hypothetical angry birds star wars film really be worse than the prequels 00:01:56 so no Jar Jar Binks at least 00:02:00 i'm just sayin' 00:02:06 elliott, hm... that is a close call 00:02:08 Vorpal: Not 4-6? But you said "original". 00:02:12 Vorpal: Jar Jar is in 3-6 00:02:17 fizzie, err I meant 4-6 00:02:19 well in 3 at least 00:02:23 fizzie, off by one error 00:02:35 not so bad 00:02:38 i don't even like star wars and i want to see the new films coming out 00:02:41 Lego Angry Birds 00:02:45 they will either be a trainwreck or surprisingly good 00:02:57 btw 00:02:57 either way it'll be entertaining 00:02:58 elliott, glad I'm not alone in not being a fan of star wars 00:02:59 It doesn't have Lucas running the show, which is very promising. 00:03:01 I LIKE JAR JAR BINKS 00:03:02 FreeFull: Angry Lego Birds Star Wars. 00:03:04 let it be known 00:03:16 Arc_Koen: What about Jabba? 00:03:24 I like jabba too 00:03:37 fizzie, from what I heard the Lego games are usually actually kind of good 00:03:44 but everytime he speaks I can't seem to manage to understand what he says 00:13:54 i think maybe it is harder to get over someone being annoying in the past than it is to forgive them for doing something specific to hurt you 00:14:05 because annoyance is this basic conditioning thing 00:14:20 it gets to the point where whenever you hear their voice you are automatically annoyed 00:16:23 and that's why I can never forgive kmc 00:23:58 night! 00:24:46 * pikhq_ contemplates replacing his facebook page with a series of figurative thermonuclear bombs 00:26:51 how figurative are we talking here 00:27:42 Well, I'll get to see who amongst family and friends is homophobic, and to what degree. 00:28:38 that's at least 7 figurative 00:28:39 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 00:38:45 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:40:02 -!- augur has joined. 00:43:45 pikhq_, how figurative are these thermonuclear bombs 00:43:52 like do they have distinct fusion and fission stages 00:44:35 dude 00:44:38 i literally just asked how figurative they are 00:44:41 stop aping my style 00:45:04 you didn't get into the technical details! 00:46:09 figurative neutron bomb 00:46:30 i feel kind of sorry for the neutron bomb :( 00:49:11 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:01:42 it's funny how the plot in atlantis' first season seems to be exactly the same as in sg1's first season 01:02:11 except in sg1 it felt like the gate gave us an opening on a huge new world 01:02:35 and in atlantis it feels like they're stranded in a very small place 01:05:16 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 01:14:53 Arc_Koen: rather, yeah 01:15:13 well as small as a galaxy can be 01:15:24 also, I had a few questions for you 01:15:44 they've repeated several times that "the gate on this planet is the only one that can dial to earth" 01:15:56 how the hell do they know that and why the hell would it be true? 01:16:26 I don't know if it's established how they work at out 01:16:39 also, back when there were two active stargates on earth, how come incoming wormholes always hooked to sgc's stargate and never to the russian one? 01:16:42 but at some point it's mentioned that the Atlantis DHD contains a special control crystal to allow it to dial 8 chevrons 01:17:03 Because the Russians were really good at timing connecting and disconnecting the DHD 01:17:09 oh 01:17:22 this is how we fix things on the russian space station 01:17:27 so you can just disconnect the dhd and the gate will no longer work<, 01:17:38 it will still accept wormholes 01:17:50 but when it was disconnected, the SG-1 gate became primary 01:17:57 oh, ok 01:18:01 err 01:18:02 SGC gate 01:18:25 GCC gate 01:18:30 should one watch stargate? 01:18:35 and when it's connected, it becomes primary for offworld russian teams? 01:18:39 it's implied that primary-ness is also determined by the most recent use 01:19:04 or else power supply 01:19:11 since the Antartica gate didn't become primary 01:19:43 also, what about those very very advanced guys on the planet that didn't have a gate? 01:19:58 those who made up the clorel/scar trial 01:20:17 Arc_Koen: Yes. The Russians somehow managed to time their dial-ins so that they wouldn't accidentally get a US team 01:20:24 or go to SGC 01:20:31 The Tollan? 01:20:36 (also klorel & skarra, I believe) 01:20:38 coppro: I just don't understand how they managed not to go to the sgc 01:20:45 yes, the tollan 01:21:16 at some point in the series (probably seaosn 5) they simply stopped mentionning them 01:21:34 Arc_Koen: They timed when they would dial ack 01:21:36 *back 01:21:42 "We will dial back in in 6 hours" 01:21:47 ok 01:21:50 i thought the tollan died at some point 01:22:04 what about the tollan? 01:22:28 but how does the fact that they will dial back in in 6 hours prevent them from going to the sgc gate? 01:23:04 Bike: well I remember during the trial episode, sg1 saved their asses 01:23:11 and then I never heard of them again 01:23:27 i thought they died then though... 01:23:34 except maybe in the "the-NDI-steals-artifacts" episode 01:23:38 well, let me consult the inevitable wiki 01:23:51 NID* 01:23:57 Arc_Koen: The Russians reconnect the DHD 6 hours later 01:24:08 yes, but the sgc gate is connected as well 01:24:18 «Anubis found a way to make his fleet impervious to the Tollan Ion cannons, their only defense, they met their eventual destruction» oh that douche 01:24:21 right but the active DHD causes the Russian gate to take priority 01:24:38 hmmmm I might have missed that episode 01:24:50 it was probably mentioned off-hand somewhere 01:24:56 ahah 01:25:16 like, "oh btw, the tollans were exterminated last week. wanna go fishing?" 01:25:30 they were jerks, weren't they 01:25:39 yes, yes they were 01:25:45 talking about which 01:25:50 what about those guys from 2010? 01:26:10 I was expecting them to reappear at some point or another, did I miss that too? 01:26:54 (you know the people who supposedly formed an alliance with earth, then stopped everyone from being able to reproduce, then sg1 had to go back in time) 01:35:12 I like the tollan 01:35:14 *liked 01:43:54 -!- augur has joined. 01:48:31 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:52:42 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:53:25 I shoud rewatch SG. I don’t remember much about it anymore. 01:53:35 For instance, i don’t remember the Tollans. 01:54:11 They look familiar in a Google image search, but i don’t remember the relevant plot. 02:03:04 ion: plot is "we're the tollans. we're technologically far more advanced than everyone else. we're invincible. but we'd rather watch you die than share with you." 02:03:17 and apparently they are the ones who die 02:11:19 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:28:48 David Simon's blog is called "The Audacity of Despair" 03:08:16 http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/63991000/gif/_63991516_race.gif 03:28:23 http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/ 03:29:17 -!- Arc_Koen has quit (Quit: Arc_Koen). 03:57:09 Gregor: Dammit I want ponies 03:57:16 Why am I addressing that to Gregor? 03:57:23 Everyone else: Dammit I want ponies 03:57:40 what kind? 03:57:52 My Little- 03:57:56 a pony is a big responsibility, pikhq_ 03:58:17 * pikhq_ has actually taken care of horses before. 03:59:10 My Little Ponies are considerably less responsibility. 03:59:14 Seeing as how they're sapient. 03:59:15 Aye. 03:59:21 that's rather worse! 03:59:30 if you kill them you can go to jail for murder 03:59:37 it's like having a child 04:00:13 You think of killing things when assigned a new responsibility? 04:00:17 You should not have a pony. 04:01:09 Indeed. 04:03:23 That said, 2 more days 04:04:56 -!- copumpkin has joined. 04:07:40 look i'm just talking about the worst case scenario 04:08:18 That's not the worst case scenario. 04:08:36 The worst case scenario is that someone puts HF in your drinking water. 04:11:03 tasty 04:11:25 Mmmm, tastes like agonizing death! 04:12:55 -!- epicmonkey_ has joined. 04:14:08 i think the worst case scenario is that a malevolent AI instantiates 2^80 copies of you in a simulacrum designed to produce the maximum possible pain and existential terror, forever 04:14:49 Come now, that's not even close to the worst case scenario. 04:14:57 I can think of numbers larger than 2^80! 04:16:14 yeah, well 04:16:27 product [1..2^80]? That's pretty big. 04:16:44 but would it be any worse or would it start getting better 04:16:51 I feel no sympathy for copies of me. 04:17:51 maybe after a certain point it'd gradually stop being terrifying and start being goofy 04:18:14 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a6/Goofy.svg/220px-Goofy.svg.png 04:18:44 which should i buy, a Windows 7 license I won't use or a Windows 8 license I won't use 04:19:17 something you'll use 04:19:27 What about a Windows 3.11 license? 04:19:39 assume that i must buy exactly one of these two 04:19:55 Are you certain not to use it? 04:20:01 which is cheaper 04:20:02 almost 04:20:05 they are the same price 04:20:10 tricky 04:21:43 kmc: windows 7.5 license 04:21:45 "a compromise " 04:22:56 -!- epicmonkey_ has quit (Read error: No route to host). 04:23:06 elliott: you are a true statesman 04:23:29 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 04:24:52 elliott: a true scotsman ?? 04:25:32 Nah, he is no true Scotsman. 04:25:40 No *true* Scotsman is not from Scotland! 04:25:54 Isn't Hexham basically Scotland? 04:26:20 But it's not actually! 04:26:23 Hexham-upon-Thyme, Scotland 04:26:39 They have *seven* pigs in Scotland. 04:27:02 That's as many as seven ones. 04:27:40 shachaf: what has true scotsman got to do with what i said 04:27:59 elliott: Nothing. 04:28:14 It wasn't even addressed to you. 04:28:27 elliott: a true scotsman ?? 04:28:28 yes it was 04:28:36 No it wasn't. 04:28:54 Cambridge, MA: Greater Boston Area or Greatest Boston Area? 04:29:00 i don't quite see what you get out of outright obviously lying here 04:29:07 I'm not lying. 04:29:20 greater boston buddhist cultural center 04:29:21 When you say "blah: blam?", it doesn't mean you're addressing blah. 04:29:28 shachaf: Cambridge, MA: Real Boston. 04:39:01 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 04:40:56 imaginary boston 04:41:17 Boston points in the complex plane. 04:47:46 shachaf: i ordered the whatsit 04:47:54 Carbon? 04:47:57 yes 04:48:03 Which soul did you sell? 04:48:03 inanimate carbon rod 04:48:09 i've got no soul to sell 04:48:25 You ordered the .au version? 04:48:30 no 04:48:40 i ordered the i5 / 8GB 04:48:43 Ah. 04:48:53 ⁵ 04:49:28 heh 04:49:34 ⁵ 04:49:47 heh.five 04:50:07 i⁵ = i 04:50:21 M.A.T.H.S. 04:50:50 `? maths 04:51:01 maths? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 04:51:06 `learn maths stands for Mathematical Anti-Telharsic Harfatum Septomin 04:51:09 I knew that. 04:52:42 :/ there is no way to type backtick in connectbot on this phone 04:52:48 * quintopia misses d3 keyboard 04:52:53 Which phone? 04:53:06 Backticks are essential. 04:53:51 d4 04:56:50 ``for writing LaTeX'', he said 04:56:52 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `for: not found 04:57:48 i bet there's an android latex editor 05:11:17 in Emacs pressing " will type `` or '' depending on context 05:11:23 and you get a literal " by typing "" 05:11:26 err, in LaTeX mode 05:11:28 not in general 05:19:43 -!- ogrom has joined. 05:28:54 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 05:40:15 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:43:26 -!- augur has joined. 05:44:53 -!- Bike has joined. 06:29:21 oh boy, we get to add "frequentist statisticians" to the list of groups xkcd has strawmanned 06:30:12 at least it makes a good goatkcd 06:30:13 oh,wow. 06:32:44 -!- elliott has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 06:48:14 -!- FreeFull has quit. 06:52:54 I've tested it to work with Firefox and tested it to not work with Internet Explorer. 06:53:58 kmc: surely the easiest way to check would be to contact someone on the other side of the world over IRC 06:54:03 and ask them if the sun was still visible? 06:54:43 ais523: They might lie more often than that detector. 07:04:15 Suppose you can't find anyone. Possibilities: The Sun exploding killed everyone on that side, some virus that needs its victims to be exposed to daylight ran rampant and killed everyone 07:04:31 Hmm, there would be some survivors of the latter, I'm sure 07:05:16 but would they have phones? (use your prior distribution of daylight in your answer) 07:07:48 Stupidly obvious answer: look at the moon. 07:09:20 Which also wouldn't be visible, since circumstances conspire to make this as difficult as possible. 07:09:47 That comma was intended to indicate a different scenario 07:09:48 (I remember a short story about sun going nova that involved deducing it from a really bright moon.) 07:10:10 Well, the Bayesian has the correct answer. Bet on the sun still existing. 07:10:23 If it doesn't exist, your money will be null and void soon anyways. 07:11:25 And thus, anyone taking him up on the bet is either giving up money, or convinced the sun exploded and just doesn't care any more. 07:13:36 Sun, pshaw. What's it good for, anyway? Just a cause for annoying glares on screens. 07:13:54 We'll just turn on the lights if it goes out. 07:15:16 Corrected: fizzie has the correct answer. 07:15:35 How much of the sun's energy do we actually need? Enough to grow crops and keep the air and water at a survivable temperature, but surely a lot is wasted? 07:15:58 most of it doesn't hit the earth, for one 07:16:29 mirrors around the sun, get all of that energy to earth 07:17:58 Sgeo: Currently, essentially all of it. 07:18:06 We could use a bit more of it up here, it was below the freezing point of water this morning again. 07:18:52 pikhq_, well, not literally all of it. Solar panels don't cause significant negative effects, do they? Although, if much of the Earth's surface was covered in them, what would happen? 07:18:59 Sgeo: we probably need slightly less than currently hits the Earth 07:19:16 also, conservation of energy: the energy captured by solar panels eventually ends up dissipating as heat anyway 07:19:27 The Earth is fairly small, and the Sun radiates equally in all directions. 07:19:43 ais523: They do increase Earth's albedo, I think. 07:19:53 well it depends on where you install them 07:20:04 Sgeo: also, another way to think of it: imagine that the Earth is mostly covered in grass 07:20:18 ais523: At least I'd sort of assume that solar panels don't reflect very much of (direct) sunlight; it sounds like it'd be slightly counterproductive. 07:20:59 fizzie: hmm 07:21:02 ais523, we use that energy for survival, kind of... well, animals we eat eat grass. What would happen if there was no grass, we killed all the grass and replaced with solar panels? 07:21:05 they do actually reflect quite a lot at the moment 07:21:07 Ecologically, I mean. 07:21:08 because they aren't very efficient 07:21:22 I think 33% efficient solar panels were invented last month, and they're prohibitively expensive to manufacture 07:21:44 what would be neat would be solar panels that were transparent, i.e. they transmitted most of the energy they didn't convert to electricity 07:21:54 that way if you needed to capture more light in a small area, you could stack them 07:22:10 Sgeo: most autotrophs are solar. the few exceptions are things that rely on geothermal vents and chemosynthesis, not exactly enough to keep humanity alive 07:22:14 Sgeo: we'd pretty much need to move to hydroponics to grow food to eat 07:22:32 We'd have an easier time of it if we knew how to get fusion working. 07:22:35 we could do without animals, it's possible to live on plant matter and dietary supplements alone 07:22:44 but doing without plants as well is basically impossible 07:22:47 (/other/ animals, I mean) 07:22:51 we wouldn't want to, though 07:24:47 ais523: I suppose it's partly (mostly?) because the parts that do convert to electricity are reasonably picky about wavelengths, while the Sun's reasonably blackbodyish. 07:25:44 Still, 33% efficiency is far better than what grass manages. 08:00:08 -!- Frooxius has joined. 08:00:26 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 08:02:34 Uh... this is the famous W|A being clever: I ask for "distance from earth to moon / speed of light", and the main answer is "378 313 km/c (kilometers per speed of light in vacuum)" -- the best unit. (Okay, so the "unit conversions" list has the "1.262 seconds" result too, but still.) 08:07:25 Why doesn't it use planck units 08:15:22 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 08:21:04 http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/album/symphony-impossible-to-play 08:21:09 so the fourth piece is really good 08:21:36 except the arranger really doesn't like triplets for some reason :( 08:21:53 at least, in the trumpet part 08:22:01 gets them right in the piccolo 08:31:43 -!- nooga has joined. 08:41:21 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 08:54:29 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 09:02:19 http://javadoc.bugaco.com/com/sun/java/swing/plaf/nimbus/InternalFrameInternalFrameTitlePaneInternalFrameTitlePaneMaximizeButtonPainter.html 09:05:31 -!- monqy has joined. 09:06:00 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 09:09:59 `addquote I wonder if Red Alert 4 will use MMIX 09:10:10 865) I wonder if Red Alert 4 will use MMIX 09:17:03 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 09:36:14 -!- carado has joined. 09:53:28 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 10:01:44 -!- fungot has joined. 10:04:33 -!- nooga has joined. 10:16:54 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:17:07 -!- nooga has joined. 10:22:41 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 10:27:14 -!- chickenzilla has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 10:28:28 -!- nooga has joined. 10:45:49 -!- chickenzilla has joined. 10:52:06 -!- nooga_ has joined. 10:52:09 -!- nooga has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:07:32 -!- nooga_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 11:07:58 -!- nooga has joined. 11:19:02 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:13:22 so, I came to a sudden realisation last sleep period 12:13:28 brainfuck is a concatenative language 12:13:39 it's not a very typical or idiomatic concatenative language, but it is one 12:14:21 Is C also a concatenative language? 12:14:28 someone please agree with me or refute me, because this has implications 12:14:43 shachaf: no, you can't separate a function from its arguments in a concatenative way 12:14:56 I guess yeah? 12:15:05 OK, the contents of one C function? 12:15:12 Concatenation of two BF programs is also a valid BF program 12:15:19 shachaf: I meant in a function call 12:15:38 Slereah_: yeah, and if you see BF programs as functions (as in Pure BF), concatenating them = function composition 12:15:58 this means that my monads in BF idea may not be too far from the mark after all 12:16:20 the problem is that BF does not have any sort of operation on code segments 12:16:24 apart from repeating them 12:16:31 so you need a metalanguage to describe program transformations 12:16:50 so I guess it's more like saying that you can create monad-like structures that compile to BF 12:16:52 and operate on BF code 12:58:19 -!- boily has joined. 13:00:30 -!- Arc_Koen has joined. 13:21:45 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 13:47:11 -!- ogrom has joined. 14:32:09 -!- ais523 has quit. 14:37:00 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 15:01:51 -!- copumpkin has joined. 15:02:08 -!- nooodl_ has joined. 15:53:01 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 15:53:06 Hello 16:00:52 -!- nooodl_ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:16:15 https://blogs.oracle.com/ksplice/entry/introducing_redpatch 16:18:06 a while back, Red Hat stopped releasing source for their kernels in an easily digested form -- instead they give just one giant .patch file 16:19:10 the Ksplice team (independently, and then at Oracle) has to reverse-engineer the individual patches 16:19:14 and now they are publishing their work 16:19:37 i'm sure the Internet will somehow conclude that Oracle is being evil here and Red Hat is the victim 16:26:32 -!- atriq has joined. 16:26:56 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 16:36:21 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 16:38:37 -!- impomatic has joined. 16:39:29 KALLISTI, you look louder than usual 16:42:10 -!- carado has joined. 16:48:23 -!- elliott has joined. 17:05:25 so um 17:05:38 http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Esolang:Community_portal&diff=next&oldid=34681 17:05:48 this edit is sort of inaccurate... 17:06:16 -!- Bike has joined. 17:09:07 What part of it 17:10:46 well the part where it implies the community portal should be used for discussions of esolangs in general 17:10:51 when in actual fact it is only for discussion of the wiki 17:15:36 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 17:16:26 Then correct it? 17:16:47 And post a message on (the person who made the edit)'s talk page? 17:17:01 that's work tho : / 17:17:10 the problem is if you look at the community portal there is non-wiki related stuff on there already :P 17:17:22 "what a mess" 17:19:48 Doesn't mean you have to encourage it. 17:25:06 how about correcting it to "you can use [[User_talk:Theguywhomadethateditinthefirstplace|the talk page]] for discussions about esolangs in general." 17:26:54 somehow i think that would be ever so slightly rude 17:29:48 wouldn't it 17:38:47 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 17:40:37 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: impomatic). 17:44:58 -!- FreeFull has joined. 17:47:34 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 17:52:06 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:52:27 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 17:59:02 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 18:15:55 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 18:24:52 if only there wasn't this thing about main characters not being able to die 18:25:04 stargate would have soooooo much more suspense and drama 18:25:40 like that episode where they found cassandra, the girl with a nuclear bomb in her belly 18:26:08 and at some point major carter decides to stay with her till the end 18:26:19 Arc_Koen, main characters not allowed to die? As a Homestuck fan, I smile 18:26:26 yeah, that was a sad episode 18:26:29 The main character of Homestuck has died... 3 times? 18:26:32 and then it didn't go off. boring. 18:26:55 Bike: well since major carter decided to stay and we know she can't die 18:27:01 yeah. 18:27:09 that kind of defused any emotion there could have been 18:27:11 The deus ex americana of television shows 18:27:13 atriq: multiple deaths has about the same dramatic effect as none. 18:27:20 True 18:28:05 that's why movies are so much better 18:28:09 Homestuck seems to be an excersize in bringing characters back to life in various ways 18:28:13 ANd now I will go eat 18:28:14 -!- atriq has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:28:21 at least there are no "next episodes" so everybody can die 18:28:24 well 18:28:37 james bond kind of dies four or five times in skyfall 18:28:40 Movies are not immune from deus ex americana 18:29:04 I think even jean grey from x-men was never able to die so many times in a single story 18:42:56 -!- atriq has joined. 18:46:35 uh 18:46:41 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Loose_Circular_Brainfuck_(LCBF) says it's turing-complete 18:46:57 but the only significant difference with brainfuck is that its tape is circular 18:47:04 which kind of suppose it's bounded 18:48:25 I posted a popping (dance) video to a subreddit about popping pimples. Waiting for the downvotes. :-P http://www.reddit.com/r/popping/comments/12xbil/incredible_popping/ 18:51:26 Arc_Koen: It could be a circular yet sometimes (e.g. when moving >, but not when moving <) growing; but indeed it seems to have a fixed size. 18:52:01 ion, that's a subreddit that exists!? 18:52:06 hmm 18:52:39 Arc_Koen: The cells of the Python implementation seem to be bignums, though. 18:52:59 something like "if current cell is rightmost, > goes to leftmost cell; if current cell is leftmost, < creates (and go to) a new cell to the left of the current cell"? 18:53:14 Er, assuming Python numbers are that. I think they are. They do that L thing when they go past regular integers. 18:54:06 I was thinking the other way around, but something like that, yes. 18:54:10 Not that it does it. 18:54:30 -!- carado has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:59:45 -!- sivoais has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:00:55 -!- sivoais has joined. 19:01:49 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:02:06 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:22:19 -!- atriq has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:28:03 -!- atriq has joined. 19:43:15 -!- Vorpal has joined. 19:46:17 Okay this is interesting. It is almost like Google don't want me to use youtube. Now they went one step further than the usual "front page not properly updated for days with my subscriptions"-shit, which can be due to flawed caching or something. This time I got unsubscribe to about half the channels I'm subscribing to. Sorry, what? 19:51:17 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:56:23 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:56:23 elliott: what are the conditions to be met before a new category can be created? for instance, would it be ok if I created http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Categorization#Proposed_category:_Instruction-rewriting ? 19:56:39 -!- DH____ has joined. 19:56:55 i don't think there really are any criteria really :P 19:57:10 it seems there's some disagreement about what it should be called? 19:57:43 well, "Self-redefining" seems fine from what I understand 19:58:10 AnotherTest argued "Instruction-redefining" was not 'open' enough, and I agree 19:58:54 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 20:07:45 urrrrh I hate it when titles are so explicit 20:08:21 in my opinion a good title should make sense *after* you've watched the thing, not be a sumary of what happens 20:10:09 The Bus That Couldn't Slow Down 20:10:27 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:13:11 -!- impomatic has joined. 20:24:36 -!- atriq has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 20:26:21 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:30:04 -!- DH____ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 20:30:09 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 20:37:40 -!- atriq has joined. 20:39:01 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 20:53:24 -!- nooga has joined. 21:10:13 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 21:12:07 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 21:16:29 -!- Sgeo has joined. 21:17:18 I'm back! 21:18:18 Who knows how long this will last :/ 21:19:04 :) 21:20:27 -!- boily has quit (Quit: Poulet!). 21:23:00 welcome back 21:23:03 (why did you leave?) 21:23:51 was Sgeo ever gone 21:24:14 -!- zzo38 has joined. 21:24:31 My Internet access cut out 21:26:02 zzo38, lens is making parts of Prelude.Generalize not seem so great 21:26:06 For instance, Part1 etc 21:26:15 OK 21:30:00 I'm... not sure what you can do with this 21:33:02 But Prelude.Generalize.Part1 is the same-but-worse as Control.Lens.Tuple.Field1 etc 21:33:26 O, well it wasn't there before I think 21:33:48 Nah, Prelude.Generalize predates Control.Lens by a long way 21:45:49 elliott, have you made any headway with @ in the last year? 21:48:26 no 21:48:44 :( 21:49:10 I literally just restarted my mouse. 21:49:17 Will you in the next year? 21:49:20 Sgeo, ? 21:49:36 It was acting like I was holding down the mouse button. Restarting it fixed it. 21:50:23 -!- carado has joined. 21:50:27 And by restarting, I mean turning it off and on again. 21:51:38 `welcome carado 21:51:44 carado: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 21:52:42 oh, thanks for the welcome ! 21:53:09 Does anyone use #esoteric-minecraft anymore? 21:55:59 carado: It is common procedure to welcome everyone (including you, of course) 21:59:19 atriq: It was just a moment ago (September 4th) that somebody spoke there. (That was PH wondering when was the last time anyone spoke; for the record, that was PH saying "hello" on August 5th.) 21:59:39 -!- nooodl has joined. 22:00:03 zzo38: is your Forth adventure system still online somewhere? 22:01:55 hm did the N64 have PCM audio or did it synthesise it? 22:02:10 i don't understand that dichotomy 22:02:59 kmc, I mean, did it synthesise it as SNES did (though more advanced obviously), or did it basically use pre-recorded audio data? 22:11:10 I don't think it has dedicated hardware sound-synthesis-only chips; but that's not to say all ROMs would use just pre-recorded PCM, apparently the DSPish chip that does graphics geometry things generally also does the actual audio synthesis, based on what data it gets from the MIPS core. (Wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo's dev tools had stock microcode for that chip; reportedly that's the ... 22:11:16 ... case for the ARM7 side of the DS.) 22:14:09 My university apparently has an "Assassins' Guild". 22:14:16 "2011...the acedemic year of death and sneaky hijinks." 22:14:31 I wonder if they're really this sloppy or if it's just a front. 22:16:12 http://sprunge.us/CITg -- sounds very typical. 22:16:42 Phantom_Hoover, there is a university campus game called Assassins or some such 22:16:48 Involves bananas 22:16:59 This... does not. 22:17:00 Phantom_Hoover: is your university MIT? 22:17:07 It's just mock assassinating people. 22:17:15 How organized? 22:17:15 It's also not running this year, apparently. 22:17:19 MIT's is a rather elaborate live action roleplaying society 22:17:20 http://web.mit.edu/assassin/www/ 22:17:55 we aren't some high-falutin us university kmc 22:18:06 our assassins just use cardboard and water guns 22:19:08 fizzie, ah 22:20:17 at my school we had an assassination game which was all about leaving traps 22:20:25 kmc, what sort of traps? 22:20:40 to get a kill, the target had to trigger some kind of noise or flashing light or other prominent indicator placed by you 22:20:47 but triggered by them 22:20:54 people got pretty intense about defending themselves 22:21:02 had lackeys open doors for them, push on chairs before they sat down 22:21:03 heh 22:21:11 some people put razor wire in the ceilings above their rooms to prevent people breaking in 22:21:29 you are making this up right? 22:21:33 That sounds... crazy 22:21:50 not making it up 22:21:57 breaking in through the ceiling? 22:22:17 one time i got a kill by hiding a cellphone in someone's room, then setting up a buddy pounce in Pidgin which would send a text to that phone when the target logged in to AIM 22:22:31 this was deemed to count as them triggering the trap, even though it had to go through my computer 22:22:51 Phantom_Hoover: yeah, there was a whole 'hyperspace' area accessible above the ceiling, which you could crawl around in 22:22:54 was pretty cool 22:22:55 Did you get your phone back 22:23:12 there was 60 years of accumulated scavenged lab equipment hidden up there 22:23:13 Impressively insecure. 22:23:13 Phantom_Hoover: yeah, there was a whole 'hyperspace' area accessible above the ceiling, which you could crawl around in <-- uh...? 22:23:20 improvised local networks put in by the students in the 80's 22:23:21 etc 22:23:31 wow 22:23:35 kmc, which university was this? 22:23:40 they actually put in a homebrew phone / PBX / music sharing service in the 60's, before the college officially wired the dorms for phone 22:23:43 Caltech 22:23:57 US? 22:23:58 though when I played alley assassins, we were actually living in the horrible temporary trailer park housing 22:24:01 yes 22:24:10 heh 22:24:13 Vorpal: I don't *know*, but I wouldn't be surprised if the stock SGI microcode would support at least mixing K channels of (raw or compressed-with-some-codec) PCM (with DMA transfers), but possibly not much more software-synthesizy things than that. 22:24:16 see also http://kheafield.com/personal/kludgenet/photos/ 22:24:24 no the german caltech 22:24:40 költech 22:26:35 we also spent evenings breaking into academic buildings and disassembling the locks on doors in order to construct home-made master keys 22:26:46 and exploring the steam tunnels of course 22:26:53 The German Caltech would have even their "kludgenet" done with MILITARY PRECISION. 22:27:20 * impomatic explored steam tunnels under the school once. 22:28:21 Without a torch! :-) 22:28:37 there was a *lot* of emo poetry written on the walls down there 22:28:52 ...steam pipes? 22:29:01 kmc, don't jump to conclusions! 22:29:26 yeah, they were full of steam pipes 22:29:26 Maybe there was a single, small group of emo poets that decided it was the darkest place to pour out their soul. 22:29:37 and water pipes and fiber optic cables etc 22:29:43 and boxes that say "DANGER 110,000 VOLTS" 22:29:46 all covered in asbestos 22:29:48 why would you pipe steam 22:30:05 it's more efficient to generate it centrally and use it to heat every building on campus 22:30:08 Phantom_Hoover, to fuel the rotor fan 22:30:15 a lot of colleges and corporate campuses do this 22:30:24 in fact some cities like New York have city-wide steam heat distribution 22:30:29 mine... does not 22:30:45 i just have a radiator in my room 22:30:49 I think my school does? 22:30:55 In the older building, anyway 22:31:02 Not sure 22:31:14 The older building used to be a hotel 22:32:01 Anyway, my school is just a high school and hence lame compared to your grand universities 22:32:27 I've been to exactly one school that wasn't built in the 19th century so central heating is the only heating I know 22:33:35 -!- monqy has joined. 22:34:49 I think a very clear majority of apartment buildings (don't know about standalone houses; some of those too) in cities in Finland tend to be part of the district heating network, though I don't know whether the big pipes carry steam or water; certainly the building-internal heating pipes are just warm water. 22:35:13 I guess it helps that the UK has pretty mild winters. 22:35:19 Do emos group? I thought they kept themselves to themselves... 22:35:54 Nah, they group 22:36:10 Is there a collective noun? 22:36:12 impomatic, what would be the point of that 22:36:34 who would they pour the inner septic tank of their soul onto 22:37:39 monqy: help 22:37:54 http://achewood.com/?date=06282004 22:39:12 elliott: ? 22:39:29 Also I've heard some rumours that the Otaniemi student housing also had some... creative network installations way back in the dark ages; but they were all professional (100base-t inside walls for intra-building, 1000base-sx/lx/?x inter-building backbone) when I lived there. 22:39:36 monqy: dam 22:41:06 "The 1 Gbps upgrade project, which will eventually provide 1 Gbps access connectivity to all users and 10 Gbps uplinks to access switches, started in July 2010 from Servinkuja 1." Oh, they've upgraded since then, too. 22:42:42 It's "only" tied to the Interweb through 2x10G connections via FUnet, so it's not like they could provide a real gigabit for everyone. But at least sharing of studying materials (that's what they used to call it) inside the campus will be nice and fast. 22:45:15 hehe 22:45:24 E.g. there were quite a few large corpora of instructional videos of human anatomy shared in the local network back when I lived there. (Slightly curious since the university doesn't have a medical school.) 22:49:20 would you say this was the work of corporoaphiles 22:55:59 It could be; some of the corpora were really quite large! (By the standards of the day, anyway; terabytes were still quite impressive numbers at least on the consumer side of the fence.) 22:56:05 seriously though, house fileservers *did* have lots of pirated copies of textbooks for important classes 22:56:22 which was super useful 22:57:17 That much is true. The search engines had a "book" search category that matched a couple of likely extensions. 22:57:26 -!- Sgeo_ has joined. 22:57:41 -!- Sgeo has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 23:00:44 the house I was in currently has a 40? TB file server, but it recently melted 23:00:50 actually more like caught fire 23:00:58 http://wsyntax.com/cs/killer-norco-case/ 23:02:12 i have 25 TB at home in a much simpler configuration, but not really any higher quality hardware, which has me worried 23:02:39 also i don't have ECC RAM so probably some of that 25 TB has random bits flipped 23:02:46 it occurred to me that I ought to stop gzipping my backups for this reason 23:02:55 or at least, reed-solomon-encode them after i gzip them 23:02:58 Wow 23:03:04 This is the future 23:03:20 kmc, how much does a can of Pepsi cost? 23:05:18 i don't know 23:05:21 is that a trick question? 23:05:28 soda is about $1 no matter how much you buy 23:05:31 I don't know! 23:05:39 Wow, a whole dollar? 23:05:48 That's like 100 times the number of dollars I have! 23:06:36 Quite a story. 23:06:50 fizzie, help, I'm in the future 23:07:04 I'm far enough into the future that 40TB is feasible 23:07:14 I think you can fix that with time travel. 23:07:22 I lost my time machine! 23:08:58 $ df -h|egrep 'Filesys|lustre' 23:08:59 Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on 23:08:59 lustre-nfs:/triton/ics 427T 123T 300T 29% /triton/ics 23:09:03 (Okay, that's not on a student budget.) 23:09:28 want 23:09:38 how many physical drives and servers is that 23:10:08 I don't really know; it's some kind of a SAN delivered by a company. 23:10:14 fizzie++ # Filesys| 23:11:10 It also manages somehow to be terribly slow when it comes to some tens of thousands of small files. According to docs, it's really optimilized for very large files. 23:11:58 optimilitia 23:12:14 When (if) I've got a decent job, in the far off future, imagine how much hard drive I can have! 23:12:17 This is crazy! 23:12:27 By "really slow" I mean it took like two hours just to stat(2) 20k files in order to prune a file list; reading through a directory is fast enough, but MATLAB's dir function stats every file to find the size. 23:12:33 "If your license plate ends with an even number or 0, you fill up on even days" 23:12:42 so what sort of things do you have in 123 terabytes? 23:13:36 It also manages somehow to be terribly slow when it comes to some tens of thousands of small files. According to docs, it's really optimilized for very large files. 23:13:50 According to Moore's law, in 6 years I'll have 4 terabytes! 23:13:51 fizzie: make a filesystem optimised for small files as a file 23:13:54 on it 23:13:54 and mount it loopback! 23:14:00 atriq: *of RAM 23:14:10 Of hard drive :( 23:14:21 Bike: "Scientific data", I suppose. It's a cluster shared by the CS, physics, chemistry and such folks. I would assume it mostly runs simulations. 23:14:22 Bike: 123 terabytes? Clearly, store Blurays raw. 23:14:40 of course, of course 23:16:20 Saying that, I've got a laptop with 250 GB, an external with 130 GB, an external with 1 TB, and a computer from 2006 and one from 2001 so god knows how much hard drive they have 23:16:25 Just to pick a random job, someone's running "htseq.gencode_Sample_4.sh". I suspect some of the bio-computing folks. 23:16:26 This adds up to about 2 TB 23:16:27 :( 23:16:32 It has "gen" in it. 23:16:33 I feel insignificant 23:17:01 you could get a couple terabytes of bioinformatics data from the 'net to make yourself feel sciency 23:18:05 atriq: The cluster has two (I think) nodes with 1 TB of RAM each, in the "hugemem" queue, for applications that need reasonable amounts of RAM. 23:19:06 fizzie, across my house there is just over 2 TB of hard drive space. RAM, I've got no idea, about 20 GB, I think 23:19:14 Am I living in the past? 23:19:25 would you like some lotto numbers? 23:19:42 Please. 23:20:19 I don't have much more than maybe a total of 5-6 TB disk at home either. 23:20:24 to be fair, nearly anything is terribly slow with lots of small files 23:20:51 My place of work probably has less RAM and hard drive than this computer 23:20:53 i only have 60 GB disk and 3 GB RAM in my laptop 23:20:56 kmc: Not so slow that it takes *hours* with just 20k files. 23:20:58 But that's a charity shop 23:20:58 though i just ordered one with a bit more 23:21:03 fizzie: ok, that's bad 23:21:31 at ksplice we had the need to frequently generate chroots off some fixed template, do something with them, and then throw out the changes 23:21:42 initially we used a fancy unioning filesystem 23:21:56 but it was much faster to simply store the chroots as .tar.gz, decompress them to a ram disk, and then delete them 23:22:07 because that way the only disk IO is a big sequential read 23:24:14 http://wondermark.com/884/ 23:24:47 Lustre has some kind of a complicated split-to-servers scheme, but it apparently makes initially starting an access on file a slow thing; once it's open, it can read bytes very fast. Sadly, our tools aren't really written with that in mind. 23:25:08 kmc: is your startup still classified 23:25:12 not exactly 23:25:17 so yes 23:25:28 we don't have, like, a public page saying what we do 23:25:32 but we've been telling various people 23:25:38 what do you do 23:25:41 it's a text chat tool for businesses 23:25:48 so in one sense, just glorified IRC in the browser 23:25:53 but it has a different user experience from IRC 23:25:59 aw i was hoping for something at least 10x more exciting than that 23:26:03 yeah well 23:26:08 there you have it 23:26:14 elliott, do you want to do something more exciting, with me? 23:26:21 I heard everyone uses ninchat for that now. 23:26:22 like you were working on bombs that exploded into kittens or something 23:26:29 atriq: what are we talking here exactly 23:26:29 We can make a text chat tool for the MILITARY! 23:26:34 Ahahahaha! 23:26:35 ok how about 23:26:36 no 23:26:42 Good idea 23:26:55 (I haven't heard of anyone in particular actually using ninchat.) 23:28:04 huh never heard of ninchat until now 23:28:04 thanks 23:28:40 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 23:28:58 good to know kmc knows his competitors 23:29:37 thelliott 23:30:01 so yeah, it is a pretty different company and product from ksplice 23:30:04 but mostly the same people 23:30:06 which is interesting 23:30:17 Who are the other people? 23:30:23 what do you mean 23:30:59 Well, I guess I don't actually know most ksplice people. 23:31:36 that's okay, i don't know most non-ksplice people 23:31:47 Fair enough! 23:32:59 the people from "ksplice classic" who are still at oracle are andersk and spang 23:33:05 nelhage left but went to stripe 23:33:15 he has already implemented at least one EBCDIC-based financial systems protocol 23:33:54 programming sucks 23:34:02 beats shoveling coal 23:34:52 programmers are like the only people in america who aren't unemployed 23:35:06 america sucks too 23:35:07 in fact we are still in inexplicably high demand 23:35:19 well that bubble is still going on isn't it 23:35:22 yep 23:35:26 bubble? 23:35:27 thanks paul graham 23:35:30 bubble 23:35:45 plenty of jobs working for disruptive startups who are marketing services for other disruptive startups who are eventually going to disrupt each other all the way to bankruptcy auction 23:36:02 elliott: look, if you haven't started a company by the age of 14, you're a failure and should kill yourself 23:36:08 paul graham is just telling it like it is 23:37:19 YC came to MIT and gave a talk that was like "fuck MIT! drop out and do a startup" and then MIT did a talk that was like "fuck YC, we have our own incubator nobody has ever heard of!" 23:38:07 everybody loves capitalism 23:38:08 thankfully i did not attend either 23:39:19 it's so weird that software startup culture is obsesseed with funding 23:39:28 since it's basically the least capital-intensive industry that could possibly exist 23:39:51 but i guess getting a fat sack of cash is a nice way to demonstrate your worth that's easier than making a product people want or will pay money for 23:40:19 well if you have money you don't need a business model any more 23:41:58 I thought getting lots of funding was how it worked during the dotcom bubble too. 23:43:01 i would like to go back to the days where every company ended in .com 23:43:09 y combinator should be called startup.com 23:43:19 British East India Company.com 23:43:28 atriq: YES I AM TRAPPED IN FORTRAN HELP 23:43:42 elliott, y .combinator? 23:43:46 atriq: shouldn't that just be britisheastindia.com 23:43:53 KALLISTI, if you look to your left you should see a door labelled "COBOL". 23:43:55 Don't take it 23:44:01 elliott, nah 23:44:26 http://www.theeastindiacompany.com/ So... 23:45:21 well they just need to be better at branding clearly 23:45:31 what does the east india company even do now 23:45:46 What I do want to do is making up a open source FPGA and sell it, and I want to make sure the OpenCores stuff will run on there at good enough speed without wasting too much energy. 23:45:46 food, apparently 23:46:01 no word on paramilitaries 23:46:39 "When you hear our name you will probably already have a sense of who we are. Deep within the world’s sub-consciousness is an awareness of The East India Company, powerful pictures of who we are. You’ll feel something for us; you’ll have a connection to us, even if you don’t know us." 23:46:40 um 23:46:46 that is pretty much the most sinister opening ever 23:46:59 Yeah, I'm not entirely sure if it's satire. 23:47:03 hey Bike 23:47:07 Actually I don't know anything about them; they are wrong. 23:47:09 how 'bout that eodermdrome interpreter 23:47:15 I got the Ullman paper. 23:47:46 "It’s not a new beginning, 23:47:46 It’s a connection to heritage 23:47:46 It’s a continuation of a long tradition 23:47:46 It’s always been in our time 23:47:46 " 23:47:55 kind of freaked out by the east india company now 23:47:58 But it turns out that being completely naïve about graph theory makes it hard to write programs for it. 23:48:19 well wikipedia claims the east india company no longer exists 23:48:22 and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company_(disambiguation) is no help 23:50:29 http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/883e56f6-9d90-11df-a37c-00144feab49a.html#axzz2BlxbIVOh 23:51:37 shachaf: KeithW just reminded me of one of the less obvious advantages of Mosh 23:51:47 Bike, you should definitely familiarise yourself with adjacency matrices if you haven't already. 23:51:50 which is that, an attacker can terminate a SSH connection by sending a single RST packet 23:51:56 That's about as far as I got. 23:51:56 but Mosh's transport layer is encrypted-authenticated 23:52:34 Phantom_Hoover: well I know what those are at least. I just napped through a lot of that part of discrete maths, and haven't written ay actual programs for this stuff before. 23:52:57 kmc: I think we've talked about that advantage of Mosh before. 23:53:04 Or at least that disadvantage of SSH. 23:54:20 `pastelogs SSH.*packet 23:54:25 * shachaf doesn't know how the log commands work. 23:54:32 `pastelog SSH.*packet 23:54:52 No output. 23:54:59 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.18986 23:55:42 Yep. 23:56:23 2012-09-01.txt:22:51:50: kmc: "For example, an attacker can abort an SSH connection or an HTTPS connection by forging a single TCP Reset packet." 23:56:48 Hah, that's a quote from curvecp.org