< 1352419214 530393 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, at least it appears to be based on the original movies, not the prequels. < 1352419217 16355 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd basically have to do it "dna style" and have an attached protein that substitutes along a structure, splittting it into two behind it < 1352419244 790202 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: movies? THEY DID ANGRY BIRD MOVIES?? < 1352419247 639694 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, and the music is better than the normal terrible angry birds music. Other than that is basically the same idea. < 1352419249 150515 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how excitingly exotic < 1352419252 622885 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, no the star wars ones < 1352419268 444043 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, since it is angry birds star wars < 1352419277 690427 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did angry birds star wars movies???? < 1352419287 349091 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, they did angry birds star wars game < 1352419289 285069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just say < 1352419290 12942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: yes < 1352419292 921199 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and be done with it < 1352419295 199311 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dies
< 1352419296 809427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Angry Starbird Wars. < 1352419301 443898 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, which is based on star wars 3-6 < 1352419306 289715 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 3-5 even < 1352419310 774281 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey I just saw an ad for twilight 5 today < 1352419314 420920 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really through could a hypothetical angry birds star wars film really be worse than the prequels < 1352419316 58375 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no Jar Jar Binks at least < 1352419320 175090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just sayin' < 1352419326 723355 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hm... that is a close call < 1352419328 85584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not 4-6? But you said "original". < 1352419332 96004 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Jar Jar is in 3-6 < 1352419337 654463 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, err I meant 4-6 < 1352419339 819726 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in 3 at least < 1352419343 722901 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, off by one error < 1352419355 579817 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so bad < 1352419358 115043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even like star wars and i want to see the new films coming out < 1352419361 680405 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lego Angry Birds < 1352419365 789160 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will either be a trainwreck or surprisingly good < 1352419377 647438 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1352419377 984735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :either way it'll be entertaining < 1352419378 379828 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, glad I'm not alone in not being a fan of star wars < 1352419379 132548 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have Lucas running the show, which is very promising. < 1352419381 886954 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I LIKE JAR JAR BINKS < 1352419382 391496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Angry Lego Birds Star Wars. < 1352419384 510630 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let it be known < 1352419396 215450 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: What about Jabba? < 1352419404 588843 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like jabba too < 1352419417 372542 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, from what I heard the Lego games are usually actually kind of good < 1352419424 306729 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everytime he speaks I can't seem to manage to understand what he says < 1352420034 869600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think maybe it is harder to get over someone being annoying in the past than it is to forgive them for doing something specific to hurt you < 1352420045 376741 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because annoyance is this basic conditioning thing < 1352420060 896817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets to the point where whenever you hear their voice you are automatically annoyed < 1352420183 418750 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's why I can never forgive kmc < 1352420638 636616 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :night! < 1352420686 388936 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION contemplates replacing his facebook page with a series of figurative thermonuclear bombs
< 1352420811 175631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how figurative are we talking here < 1352420862 640193 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll get to see who amongst family and friends is homophobic, and to what degree. < 1352420918 575555 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's at least 7 figurative < 1352420919 174821 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1352421525 969784 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352421602 961650 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352421825 69205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, how figurative are these thermonuclear bombs < 1352421832 643736 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like do they have distinct fusion and fission stages < 1352421875 121046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1352421878 709660 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i literally just asked how figurative they are < 1352421881 190240 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop aping my style < 1352421904 991028 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't get into the technical details! < 1352421969 914061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :figurative neutron bomb < 1352421990 721236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel kind of sorry for the neutron bomb :( < 1352422151 469268 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1352422902 815539 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny how the plot in atlantis' first season seems to be exactly the same as in sg1's first season < 1352422931 312639 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in sg1 it felt like the gate gave us an opening on a huge new world < 1352422955 310209 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in atlantis it feels like they're stranded in a very small place < 1352423116 20392 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352423693 107941 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: rather, yeah < 1352423713 175695 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as small as a galaxy can be < 1352423724 111522 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I had a few questions for you < 1352423744 950998 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've repeated several times that "the gate on this planet is the only one that can dial to earth" < 1352423756 505266 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the hell do they know that and why the hell would it be true? < 1352423786 457730 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's established how they work at out < 1352423799 268600 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, back when there were two active stargates on earth, how come incoming wormholes always hooked to sgc's stargate and never to the russian one? < 1352423802 199763 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at some point it's mentioned that the Atlantis DHD contains a special control crystal to allow it to dial 8 chevrons < 1352423823 500053 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the Russians were really good at timing connecting and disconnecting the DHD < 1352423829 181833 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1352423842 214503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how we fix things on the russian space station < 1352423847 331090 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can just disconnect the dhd and the gate will no longer work<, < 1352423858 677349 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will still accept wormholes < 1352423870 596648 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when it was disconnected, the SG-1 gate became primary < 1352423877 390824 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1352423881 855222 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1352423882 867049 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SGC gate < 1352423905 869782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC gate < 1352423910 809225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should one watch stargate? < 1352423915 103069 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when it's connected, it becomes primary for offworld russian teams? < 1352423919 551710 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's implied that primary-ness is also determined by the most recent use < 1352423944 265406 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else power supply < 1352423951 244831 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the Antartica gate didn't become primary < 1352423983 770741 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what about those very very advanced guys on the planet that didn't have a gate? < 1352423998 823672 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those who made up the clorel/scar trial < 1352424017 241188 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Yes. The Russians somehow managed to time their dial-ins so that they wouldn't accidentally get a US team < 1352424024 359629 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or go to SGC < 1352424031 645929 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Tollan? < 1352424036 773897 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also klorel & skarra, I believe) < 1352424038 339514 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I just don't understand how they managed not to go to the sgc < 1352424045 669490 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the tollan < 1352424076 226711 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point in the series (probably seaosn 5) they simply stopped mentionning them < 1352424094 400390 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: They timed when they would dial ack < 1352424096 123681 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*back < 1352424102 493964 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We will dial back in in 6 hours" < 1352424107 322697 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1352424110 470576 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the tollan died at some point < 1352424124 257739 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the tollan? < 1352424148 820490 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how does the fact that they will dial back in in 6 hours prevent them from going to the sgc gate? < 1352424184 128221 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well I remember during the trial episode, sg1 saved their asses < 1352424191 25820 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I never heard of them again < 1352424207 959203 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they died then though... < 1352424214 132308 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe in the "the-NDI-steals-artifacts" episode < 1352424218 896616 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, let me consult the inevitable wiki < 1352424231 314369 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NID* < 1352424237 413204 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: The Russians reconnect the DHD 6 hours later < 1352424248 155458 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the sgc gate is connected as well < 1352424258 689258 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Anubis found a way to make his fleet impervious to the Tollan Ion cannons, their only defense, they met their eventual destruction» oh that douche < 1352424261 253394 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but the active DHD causes the Russian gate to take priority < 1352424278 420325 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm I might have missed that episode < 1352424290 173841 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was probably mentioned off-hand somewhere < 1352424296 996393 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahah < 1352424316 604206 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, "oh btw, the tollans were exterminated last week. wanna go fishing?" < 1352424330 819741 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were jerks, weren't they < 1352424339 743844 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yes they were < 1352424345 276158 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about which < 1352424350 171034 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about those guys from 2010? < 1352424370 979781 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was expecting them to reappear at some point or another, did I miss that too? < 1352424414 927871 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you know the people who supposedly formed an alliance with earth, then stopped everyone from being able to reproduce, then sg1 had to go back in time) < 1352424912 376158 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the tollan < 1352424914 747623 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*liked < 1352425434 969469 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352425711 154766 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352425962 533972 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1352426005 525055 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shoud rewatch SG. I don’t remember much about it anymore. < 1352426015 762490 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, i don’t remember the Tollans. < 1352426051 828027 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They look familiar in a Google image search, but i don’t remember the relevant plot. < 1352426584 140952 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: plot is "we're the tollans. we're technologically far more advanced than everyone else. we're invincible. but we'd rather watch you die than share with you." < 1352426597 418626 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently they are the ones who die < 1352427079 536609 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1352428128 710394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :David Simon's blog is called "The Audacity of Despair" < 1352430496 590946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/63991000/gif/_63991516_race.gif < 1352431703 259342 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/ < 1352431757 594037 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1352433429 819311 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Dammit I want ponies < 1352433436 828071 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I addressing that to Gregor? < 1352433443 491591 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone else: Dammit I want ponies < 1352433460 402318 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind? < 1352433472 634364 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Little- < 1352433476 668315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pony is a big responsibility, pikhq_ < 1352433497 78551 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has actually taken care of horses before.
< 1352433550 674773 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Little Ponies are considerably less responsibility. < 1352433554 94786 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing as how they're sapient. < 1352433555 976871 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye. < 1352433561 120656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's rather worse! < 1352433570 710044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you kill them you can go to jail for murder < 1352433577 700027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like having a child < 1352433613 148834 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think of killing things when assigned a new responsibility? < 1352433617 873474 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should not have a pony. < 1352433669 164366 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed. < 1352433803 79649 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That said, 2 more days < 1352433896 723818 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1352434060 477475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :look i'm just talking about the worst case scenario < 1352434098 598902 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not the worst case scenario. < 1352434116 938676 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worst case scenario is that someone puts HF in your drinking water. < 1352434263 232151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tasty < 1352434285 884902 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm, tastes like agonizing death! < 1352434375 174169 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352434448 362384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the worst case scenario is that a malevolent AI instantiates 2^80 copies of you in a simulacrum designed to produce the maximum possible pain and existential terror, forever < 1352434489 895722 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come now, that's not even close to the worst case scenario. < 1352434497 88635 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of numbers larger than 2^80! < 1352434574 301170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, well < 1352434587 581994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :product [1..2^80]? That's pretty big. < 1352434604 226562 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would it be any worse or would it start getting better < 1352434611 394443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel no sympathy for copies of me. < 1352434671 417844 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe after a certain point it'd gradually stop being terrifying and start being goofy < 1352434694 935909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/a/a6/Goofy.svg/220px-Goofy.svg.png < 1352434724 654141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should i buy, a Windows 7 license I won't use or a Windows 8 license I won't use < 1352434757 988663 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something you'll use < 1352434767 663109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about a Windows 3.11 license? < 1352434779 443377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :assume that i must buy exactly one of these two < 1352434795 391309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you certain not to use it? < 1352434801 429200 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is cheaper < 1352434802 392601 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost < 1352434805 968917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the same price < 1352434810 641518 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricky < 1352434903 899156 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: windows 7.5 license < 1352434905 300695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a compromise " < 1352434976 771803 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1352434986 817777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you are a true statesman < 1352435009 123981 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352435092 184114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a true scotsman ?? < 1352435132 264773 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, he is no true Scotsman. < 1352435140 853806 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No *true* Scotsman is not from Scotland! < 1352435154 794216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't Hexham basically Scotland? < 1352435180 650621 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not actually! < 1352435183 656861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham-upon-Thyme, Scotland < 1352435199 934911 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have *seven* pigs in Scotland. < 1352435222 441087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's as many as seven ones. < 1352435260 72985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what has true scotsman got to do with what i said < 1352435279 80334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nothing. < 1352435294 511829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wasn't even addressed to you. < 1352435307 583514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: a true scotsman ?? < 1352435308 722963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it was < 1352435316 689348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it wasn't. < 1352435334 49776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cambridge, MA: Greater Boston Area or Greatest Boston Area? < 1352435340 114295 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't quite see what you get out of outright obviously lying here < 1352435347 869806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not lying. < 1352435360 600864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :greater boston buddhist cultural center < 1352435361 578443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you say "blah: blam?", it doesn't mean you're addressing blah. < 1352435368 449370 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Cambridge, MA: Real Boston. < 1352435941 965985 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352436056 49733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imaginary boston < 1352436077 970760 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boston points in the complex plane. < 1352436466 65738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i ordered the whatsit < 1352436474 645718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carbon? < 1352436477 924160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1352436483 649023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which soul did you sell? < 1352436483 789857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :inanimate carbon rod < 1352436489 746658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got no soul to sell < 1352436505 429615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You ordered the .au version? < 1352436510 316988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1352436520 79418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ordered the i5 / 8GB < 1352436523 398717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1352436533 15229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⁵ < 1352436568 247332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352436574 64787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :⁵ < 1352436587 645450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh.five < 1352436607 884022 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :i⁵ = i < 1352436621 652564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :M.A.T.H.S. < 1352436650 284414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? maths < 1352436661 694071 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :maths? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1352436666 266221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn maths stands for Mathematical Anti-Telharsic Harfatum Septomin < 1352436669 970284 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1352436762 135580 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ there is no way to type backtick in connectbot on this phone < 1352436768 30098 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION misses d3 keyboard
< 1352436773 631448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which phone? < 1352436786 516373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Backticks are essential. < 1352436831 355116 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :d4 < 1352437010 57412 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :``for writing LaTeX'', he said < 1352437012 986604 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `for: not found < 1352437068 442322 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet there's an android latex editor < 1352437877 291996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Emacs pressing " will type `` or '' depending on context < 1352437883 262132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get a literal " by typing "" < 1352437886 377235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, in LaTeX mode < 1352437888 13724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in general < 1352438383 242121 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-10.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1352438934 900578 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-10.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1352439615 681752 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1352439806 103698 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352439893 678839 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352442561 453553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy, we get to add "frequentist statisticians" to the list of groups xkcd has strawmanned < 1352442612 290128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it makes a good goatkcd < 1352442613 639740 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh,wow. < 1352442764 360575 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1352443694 51500 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1352443974 5908 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've tested it to work with Firefox and tested it to not work with Internet Explorer. < 1352444038 563274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: surely the easiest way to check would be to contact someone on the other side of the world over IRC < 1352444043 27923 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ask them if the sun was still visible? < 1352444083 765039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: They might lie more often than that detector. < 1352444655 690882 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose you can't find anyone. Possibilities: The Sun exploding killed everyone on that side, some virus that needs its victims to be exposed to daylight ran rampant and killed everyone < 1352444671 576713 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there would be some survivors of the latter, I'm sure < 1352444716 489023 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would they have phones? (use your prior distribution of daylight in your answer) < 1352444868 290970 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupidly obvious answer: look at the moon. < 1352444960 71783 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which also wouldn't be visible, since circumstances conspire to make this as difficult as possible. < 1352444987 488058 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That comma was intended to indicate a different scenario < 1352444988 757680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I remember a short story about sun going nova that involved deducing it from a really bright moon.) < 1352445010 589238 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the Bayesian has the correct answer. Bet on the sun still existing. < 1352445023 352015 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it doesn't exist, your money will be null and void soon anyways. < 1352445085 672489 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus, anyone taking him up on the bet is either giving up money, or convinced the sun exploded and just doesn't care any more. < 1352445216 110422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun, pshaw. What's it good for, anyway? Just a cause for annoying glares on screens. < 1352445234 898027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll just turn on the lights if it goes out. < 1352445316 83385 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corrected: fizzie has the correct answer. < 1352445335 665404 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much of the sun's energy do we actually need? Enough to grow crops and keep the air and water at a survivable temperature, but surely a lot is wasted? < 1352445358 252619 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of it doesn't hit the earth, for one < 1352445389 338286 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mirrors around the sun, get all of that energy to earth < 1352445478 850218 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Currently, essentially all of it. < 1352445486 618701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could use a bit more of it up here, it was below the freezing point of water this morning again. < 1352445532 439222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, well, not literally all of it. Solar panels don't cause significant negative effects, do they? Although, if much of the Earth's surface was covered in them, what would happen? < 1352445539 716203 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: we probably need slightly less than currently hits the Earth < 1352445556 108673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, conservation of energy: the energy captured by solar panels eventually ends up dissipating as heat anyway < 1352445567 28606 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Earth is fairly small, and the Sun radiates equally in all directions. < 1352445583 615452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: They do increase Earth's albedo, I think. < 1352445593 118901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it depends on where you install them < 1352445604 63861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: also, another way to think of it: imagine that the Earth is mostly covered in grass < 1352445618 297577 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: At least I'd sort of assume that solar panels don't reflect very much of (direct) sunlight; it sounds like it'd be slightly counterproductive. < 1352445659 962569 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hmm < 1352445662 636803 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, we use that energy for survival, kind of... well, animals we eat eat grass. What would happen if there was no grass, we killed all the grass and replaced with solar panels? < 1352445665 250534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do actually reflect quite a lot at the moment < 1352445667 560289 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ecologically, I mean. < 1352445668 903787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they aren't very efficient < 1352445682 542939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 33% efficient solar panels were invented last month, and they're prohibitively expensive to manufacture < 1352445704 18935 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be neat would be solar panels that were transparent, i.e. they transmitted most of the energy they didn't convert to electricity < 1352445714 412271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way if you needed to capture more light in a small area, you could stack them < 1352445730 522570 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: most autotrophs are solar. the few exceptions are things that rely on geothermal vents and chemosynthesis, not exactly enough to keep humanity alive < 1352445734 179928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: we'd pretty much need to move to hydroponics to grow food to eat < 1352445752 96243 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'd have an easier time of it if we knew how to get fusion working. < 1352445755 939869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could do without animals, it's possible to live on plant matter and dietary supplements alone < 1352445764 742916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doing without plants as well is basically impossible < 1352445767 521559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/other/ animals, I mean) < 1352445771 395886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we wouldn't want to, though < 1352445887 522058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I suppose it's partly (mostly?) because the parts that do convert to electricity are reasonably picky about wavelengths, while the Sun's reasonably blackbodyish. < 1352445944 763016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, 33% efficiency is far better than what grass manages. < 1352448008 397684 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1352448026 587514 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1352448154 26959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh... this is the famous W|A being clever: I ask for "distance from earth to moon / speed of light", and the main answer is "378 313 km/c (kilometers per speed of light in vacuum)" -- the best unit. (Okay, so the "unit conversions" list has the "1.262 seconds" result too, but still.) < 1352448445 642390 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't it use planck units < 1352448922 355620 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352449264 487977 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/album/symphony-impossible-to-play < 1352449269 300521 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the fourth piece is really good < 1352449296 394543 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the arranger really doesn't like triplets for some reason :( < 1352449313 927453 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, in the trumpet part < 1352449321 277252 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gets them right in the piccolo < 1352449903 889143 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1352450481 355985 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1352451269 350527 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1352451739 554306 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://javadoc.bugaco.com/com/sun/java/swing/plaf/nimbus/InternalFrameInternalFrameTitlePaneInternalFrameTitlePaneMaximizeButtonPainter.html < 1352451931 292918 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352451960 934268 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352452199 388012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I wonder if Red Alert 4 will use MMIX < 1352452210 127408 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :865) I wonder if Red Alert 4 will use MMIX < 1352452623 479512 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1352453774 50653 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352454808 270478 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1352455304 807199 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1352455473 826123 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1352456214 832515 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1352456227 973340 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1352456561 963245 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1352456834 228834 :chickenzilla!~chicken@88-190-32-81.rev.dedibox.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1352456908 899794 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1352457949 422543 :chickenzilla!~chicken@88-190-32-81.rev.dedibox.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1352458326 973502 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1352458329 42376 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352459252 15823 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1352459278 152912 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1352459942 300875 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352463202 505648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I came to a sudden realisation last sleep period < 1352463208 313033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck is a concatenative language < 1352463219 822942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a very typical or idiomatic concatenative language, but it is one < 1352463261 926927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is C also a concatenative language? < 1352463268 384583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone please agree with me or refute me, because this has implications < 1352463283 811717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, you can't separate a function from its arguments in a concatenative way < 1352463296 255745 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-173-236.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess yeah? < 1352463305 501519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, the contents of one C function? < 1352463312 65693 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-173-236.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concatenation of two BF programs is also a valid BF program < 1352463319 547643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I meant in a function call < 1352463338 934773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah_: yeah, and if you see BF programs as functions (as in Pure BF), concatenating them = function composition < 1352463358 86182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means that my monads in BF idea may not be too far from the mark after all < 1352463380 112781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that BF does not have any sort of operation on code segments < 1352463384 377155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from repeating them < 1352463391 609224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need a metalanguage to describe program transformations < 1352463410 632167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess it's more like saying that you can create monad-like structures that compile to BF < 1352463412 961550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and operate on BF code < 1352465899 537479 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352466030 602121 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352467305 361187 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1352468831 687425 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-29.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1352471529 401278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1352471820 119437 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1352473311 853232 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1352473328 39373 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352476381 411413 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1352476386 98924 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1352476852 167093 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1352477775 587199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://blogs.oracle.com/ksplice/entry/introducing_redpatch < 1352477886 613259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a while back, Red Hat stopped releasing source for their kernels in an easily digested form -- instead they give just one giant .patch file < 1352477950 362468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Ksplice team (independently, and then at Oracle) has to reverse-engineer the individual patches < 1352477954 205154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now they are publishing their work < 1352477977 321210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure the Internet will somehow conclude that Oracle is being evil here and Red Hat is the victim < 1352478392 333981 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352478416 49054 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352478981 218943 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352479117 99877 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352479169 67823 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :KALLISTI, you look louder than usual < 1352479330 133520 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352479703 797678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1352480725 337238 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so um < 1352480738 568189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Esolang:Community_portal&diff=next&oldid=34681 < 1352480748 254628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this edit is sort of inaccurate... < 1352480776 759779 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352480947 783460 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What part of it < 1352481046 671986 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the part where it implies the community portal should be used for discussions of esolangs in general < 1352481051 538517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when in actual fact it is only for discussion of the wiki < 1352481336 753691 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352481386 40025 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then correct it? < 1352481407 955903 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And post a message on (the person who made the edit)'s talk page? < 1352481421 174479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's work tho : / < 1352481430 904259 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is if you look at the community portal there is non-wiki related stuff on there already :P < 1352481442 783352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what a mess" < 1352481588 480186 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't mean you have to encourage it. < 1352481906 827155 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about correcting it to "you can use [[User_talk:Theguywhomadethateditinthefirstplace|the talk page]] for discussions about esolangs in general." < 1352482014 55346 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i think that would be ever so slightly rude < 1352482188 155729 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it < 1352482727 875506 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-29.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1352482837 398561 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1352483098 705554 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1352483254 502231 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352483526 265279 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1352483547 424422 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1352483942 929288 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1352484955 970714 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352485492 960374 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only there wasn't this thing about main characters not being able to die < 1352485504 993735 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stargate would have soooooo much more suspense and drama < 1352485540 955733 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that episode where they found cassandra, the girl with a nuclear bomb in her belly < 1352485568 517413 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at some point major carter decides to stay with her till the end < 1352485579 597161 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, main characters not allowed to die? As a Homestuck fan, I smile < 1352485586 590602 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that was a sad episode < 1352485589 408455 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main character of Homestuck has died... 3 times? < 1352485592 551704 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it didn't go off. boring. < 1352485615 833636 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well since major carter decided to stay and we know she can't die < 1352485621 272961 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1352485629 666921 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of defused any emotion there could have been < 1352485631 780611 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The deus ex americana of television shows < 1352485633 503263 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: multiple deaths has about the same dramatic effect as none. < 1352485640 752245 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1352485685 37835 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why movies are so much better < 1352485689 508276 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck seems to be an excersize in bringing characters back to life in various ways < 1352485693 905566 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANd now I will go eat < 1352485694 985593 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1352485701 99701 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least there are no "next episodes" so everybody can die < 1352485704 697288 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1352485717 307717 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :james bond kind of dies four or five times in skyfall < 1352485720 665641 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Movies are not immune from deus ex americana < 1352485744 172000 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think even jean grey from x-men was never able to die so many times in a single story < 1352486576 703108 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352486795 712501 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1352486801 99839 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Loose_Circular_Brainfuck_(LCBF) says it's turing-complete < 1352486817 130047 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the only significant difference with brainfuck is that its tape is circular < 1352486824 157953 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which kind of suppose it's bounded < 1352486905 568130 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I posted a popping (dance) video to a subreddit about popping pimples. Waiting for the downvotes. :-P http://www.reddit.com/r/popping/comments/12xbil/incredible_popping/ < 1352487086 332007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: It could be a circular yet sometimes (e.g. when moving >, but not when moving <) growing; but indeed it seems to have a fixed size. < 1352487121 39766 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, that's a subreddit that exists!? < 1352487126 90890 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1352487159 699576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: The cells of the Python implementation seem to be bignums, though. < 1352487179 293029 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like "if current cell is rightmost, > goes to leftmost cell; if current cell is leftmost, < creates (and go to) a new cell to the left of the current cell"? < 1352487194 742158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, assuming Python numbers are that. I think they are. They do that L thing when they go past regular integers. < 1352487246 791595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking the other way around, but something like that, yes. < 1352487250 850099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it does it. < 1352487270 729568 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1352487585 764036 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352487655 401045 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352487709 996998 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352487726 705611 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352488939 723535 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352489283 196250 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352490195 95420 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1352490377 219796 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay this is interesting. It is almost like Google don't want me to use youtube. Now they went one step further than the usual "front page not properly updated for days with my subscriptions"-shit, which can be due to flawed caching or something. This time I got unsubscribe to about half the channels I'm subscribing to. Sorry, what? < 1352490677 720247 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1352490983 216679 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352490983 733988 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what are the conditions to be met before a new category can be created? for instance, would it be ok if I created http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang_talk:Categorization#Proposed_category:_Instruction-rewriting ? < 1352490999 29249 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352491015 104189 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think there really are any criteria really :P < 1352491030 11946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems there's some disagreement about what it should be called? < 1352491063 958904 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, "Self-redefining" seems fine from what I understand < 1352491090 904806 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest argued "Instruction-redefining" was not 'open' enough, and I agree < 1352491134 398772 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1352491665 611805 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :urrrrh I hate it when titles are so explicit < 1352491701 921233 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my opinion a good title should make sense *after* you've watched the thing, not be a sumary of what happens < 1352491809 726119 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Bus That Couldn't Slow Down < 1352491827 244832 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352491991 870558 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352492676 865928 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-146-170-252.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1352492781 78434 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1352493004 355306 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352493009 72620 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352493460 820680 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352493541 801718 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1352494404 18694 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1352495413 960030 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352495527 966823 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352495789 38046 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352495838 353173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back! < 1352495898 556065 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows how long this will last :/ < 1352495944 25581 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1352496027 320774 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1352496180 821834 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome back < 1352496183 389206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why did you leave?) < 1352496231 566192 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was Sgeo ever gone < 1352496254 171920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1352496271 166051 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Internet access cut out < 1352496362 90848 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, lens is making parts of Prelude.Generalize not seem so great < 1352496366 396329 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, Part1 etc < 1352496375 923971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1352496600 594306 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... not sure what you can do with this < 1352496782 857766 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Prelude.Generalize.Part1 is the same-but-worse as Control.Lens.Tuple.Field1 etc < 1352496806 479108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, well it wasn't there before I think < 1352496828 188242 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, Prelude.Generalize predates Control.Lens by a long way < 1352497549 574069 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have you made any headway with @ in the last year? < 1352497706 529618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1352497724 29188 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1352497750 249646 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I literally just restarted my mouse. < 1352497757 481467 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will you in the next year? < 1352497760 410533 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ? < 1352497776 982341 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was acting like I was holding down the mouse button. Restarting it fixed it. < 1352497823 77778 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352497827 30076 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by restarting, I mean turning it off and on again. < 1352497898 525462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome carado < 1352497904 559980 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :carado: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1352497962 609605 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thanks for the welcome ! < 1352497989 541887 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone use #esoteric-minecraft anymore? < 1352498159 660107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :carado: It is common procedure to welcome everyone (including you, of course) < 1352498359 874007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: It was just a moment ago (September 4th) that somebody spoke there. (That was PH wondering when was the last time anyone spoke; for the record, that was PH saying "hello" on August 5th.) < 1352498379 42205 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.53.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352498403 834571 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is your Forth adventure system still online somewhere? < 1352498515 751845 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm did the N64 have PCM audio or did it synthesise it? < 1352498530 115733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand that dichotomy < 1352498579 536946 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I mean, did it synthesise it as SNES did (though more advanced obviously), or did it basically use pre-recorded audio data? < 1352499070 587210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it has dedicated hardware sound-synthesis-only chips; but that's not to say all ROMs would use just pre-recorded PCM, apparently the DSPish chip that does graphics geometry things generally also does the actual audio synthesis, based on what data it gets from the MIPS core. (Wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo's dev tools had stock microcode for that chip; reportedly that's the ... < 1352499076 644554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... case for the ARM7 side of the DS.) < 1352499249 163910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My university apparently has an "Assassins' Guild". < 1352499256 989491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2011...the acedemic year of death and sneaky hijinks." < 1352499271 679629 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if they're really this sloppy or if it's just a front. < 1352499372 170162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/CITg -- sounds very typical. < 1352499402 729573 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, there is a university campus game called Assassins or some such < 1352499408 284973 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Involves bananas < 1352499419 515758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This... does not. < 1352499420 719973 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is your university MIT? < 1352499427 70395 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just mock assassinating people. < 1352499435 43266 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How organized? < 1352499435 344055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also not running this year, apparently. < 1352499439 208630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIT's is a rather elaborate live action roleplaying society < 1352499440 550770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.mit.edu/assassin/www/ < 1352499475 588144 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we aren't some high-falutin us university kmc < 1352499486 331289 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :our assassins just use cardboard and water guns < 1352499548 158744 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1352499617 89159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at my school we had an assassination game which was all about leaving traps < 1352499625 740219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what sort of traps? < 1352499640 607903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get a kill, the target had to trigger some kind of noise or flashing light or other prominent indicator placed by you < 1352499647 761919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but triggered by them < 1352499654 398157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people got pretty intense about defending themselves < 1352499662 751466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :had lackeys open doors for them, push on chairs before they sat down < 1352499663 232075 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352499671 47847 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people put razor wire in the ceilings above their rooms to prevent people breaking in < 1352499689 820802 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are making this up right? < 1352499693 578227 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds... crazy < 1352499710 917028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not making it up < 1352499717 913542 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :breaking in through the ceiling? < 1352499737 243326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time i got a kill by hiding a cellphone in someone's room, then setting up a buddy pounce in Pidgin which would send a text to that phone when the target logged in to AIM < 1352499751 787657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was deemed to count as them triggering the trap, even though it had to go through my computer < 1352499771 11856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah, there was a whole 'hyperspace' area accessible above the ceiling, which you could crawl around in < 1352499774 44109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was pretty cool < 1352499775 289593 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you get your phone back < 1352499792 705733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was 60 years of accumulated scavenged lab equipment hidden up there < 1352499793 502258 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressively insecure. < 1352499793 654262 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: yeah, there was a whole 'hyperspace' area accessible above the ceiling, which you could crawl around in <-- uh...? < 1352499800 920265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :improvised local networks put in by the students in the 80's < 1352499801 341531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1352499811 181427 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1352499815 919635 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, which university was this? < 1352499820 131386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they actually put in a homebrew phone / PBX / music sharing service in the 60's, before the college officially wired the dorms for phone < 1352499823 49677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caltech < 1352499837 451547 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :US? < 1352499838 970695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though when I played alley assassins, we were actually living in the horrible temporary trailer park housing < 1352499841 907017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1352499850 6267 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352499853 959068 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't *know*, but I wouldn't be surprised if the stock SGI microcode would support at least mixing K channels of (raw or compressed-with-some-codec) PCM (with DMA transfers), but possibly not much more software-synthesizy things than that. < 1352499856 577557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also http://kheafield.com/personal/kludgenet/photos/ < 1352499864 186768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the german caltech < 1352499880 148640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :költech < 1352499995 469241 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also spent evenings breaking into academic buildings and disassembling the locks on doors in order to construct home-made master keys < 1352500006 142121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and exploring the steam tunnels of course < 1352500013 90345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The German Caltech would have even their "kludgenet" done with MILITARY PRECISION. < 1352500040 517711 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION explored steam tunnels under the school once.
< 1352500101 555969 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without a torch! :-) < 1352500117 943464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a *lot* of emo poetry written on the walls down there < 1352500132 521102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...steam pipes? < 1352500141 577183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, don't jump to conclusions! < 1352500166 715117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they were full of steam pipes < 1352500166 879792 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there was a single, small group of emo poets that decided it was the darkest place to pour out their soul. < 1352500177 377265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and water pipes and fiber optic cables etc < 1352500183 822547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and boxes that say "DANGER 110,000 VOLTS" < 1352500186 990839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all covered in asbestos < 1352500188 230521 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you pipe steam < 1352500205 937808 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more efficient to generate it centrally and use it to heat every building on campus < 1352500208 808374 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, to fuel the rotor fan < 1352500215 646586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of colleges and corporate campuses do this < 1352500224 133817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact some cities like New York have city-wide steam heat distribution < 1352500229 713854 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine... does not < 1352500245 829511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just have a radiator in my room < 1352500249 367064 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my school does? < 1352500255 172499 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the older building, anyway < 1352500262 91501 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure < 1352500274 882549 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The older building used to be a hotel < 1352500321 193420 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, my school is just a high school and hence lame compared to your grand universities < 1352500347 872755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been to exactly one school that wasn't built in the 19th century so central heating is the only heating I know < 1352500415 323889 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352500489 647366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a very clear majority of apartment buildings (don't know about standalone houses; some of those too) in cities in Finland tend to be part of the district heating network, though I don't know whether the big pipes carry steam or water; certainly the building-internal heating pipes are just warm water. < 1352500513 959147 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it helps that the UK has pretty mild winters. < 1352500519 205090 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do emos group? I thought they kept themselves to themselves... < 1352500554 288127 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, they group < 1352500570 865926 :impomatic!~digital_w@94.66.112.87.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a collective noun? < 1352500572 62631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, what would be the point of that < 1352500594 740521 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would they pour the inner septic tank of their soul onto < 1352500659 313830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: help < 1352500674 364136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://achewood.com/?date=06282004 < 1352500752 99433 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1352500769 14221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I've heard some rumours that the Otaniemi student housing also had some... creative network installations way back in the dark ages; but they were all professional (100base-t inside walls for intra-building, 1000base-sx/lx/?x inter-building backbone) when I lived there. < 1352500776 397655 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: dam < 1352500866 387503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The 1 Gbps upgrade project, which will eventually provide 1 Gbps access connectivity to all users and 10 Gbps uplinks to access switches, started in July 2010 from Servinkuja 1." Oh, they've upgraded since then, too. < 1352500962 448718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "only" tied to the Interweb through 2x10G connections via FUnet, so it's not like they could provide a real gigabit for everyone. But at least sharing of studying materials (that's what they used to call it) inside the campus will be nice and fast. < 1352501115 576752 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1352501124 517267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. there were quite a few large corpora of instructional videos of human anatomy shared in the local network back when I lived there. (Slightly curious since the university doesn't have a medical school.) < 1352501360 765270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you say this was the work of corporoaphiles < 1352501759 9875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be; some of the corpora were really quite large! (By the standards of the day, anyway; terabytes were still quite impressive numbers at least on the consumer side of the fence.) < 1352501765 846693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though, house fileservers *did* have lots of pirated copies of textbooks for important classes < 1352501782 846141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was super useful < 1352501837 486556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That much is true. The search engines had a "book" search category that matched a couple of likely extensions. < 1352501846 21413 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352501861 17887 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352502044 924452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the house I was in currently has a 40? TB file server, but it recently melted < 1352502050 681192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually more like caught fire < 1352502058 536039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wsyntax.com/cs/killer-norco-case/ < 1352502132 624455 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have 25 TB at home in a much simpler configuration, but not really any higher quality hardware, which has me worried < 1352502159 167374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't have ECC RAM so probably some of that 25 TB has random bits flipped < 1352502166 835062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occurred to me that I ought to stop gzipping my backups for this reason < 1352502175 291693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, reed-solomon-encode them after i gzip them < 1352502178 775491 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1352502184 360530 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the future < 1352502200 912555 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, how much does a can of Pepsi cost? < 1352502318 776267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1352502321 805630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a trick question? < 1352502328 468767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :soda is about $1 no matter how much you buy < 1352502331 534830 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know! < 1352502339 43538 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, a whole dollar? < 1352502348 767798 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like 100 times the number of dollars I have! < 1352502396 199686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite a story. < 1352502410 394251 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, help, I'm in the future < 1352502424 924483 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm far enough into the future that 40TB is feasible < 1352502434 549520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can fix that with time travel. < 1352502442 791852 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lost my time machine! < 1352502538 895078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ df -h|egrep 'Filesys|lustre' < 1352502539 52724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on < 1352502539 99563 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lustre-nfs:/triton/ics 427T 123T 300T 29% /triton/ics < 1352502543 412761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, that's not on a student budget.) < 1352502568 492263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :want < 1352502578 136905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many physical drives and servers is that < 1352502608 203880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know; it's some kind of a SAN delivered by a company. < 1352502614 358707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie++ # Filesys| < 1352502670 100196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also manages somehow to be terribly slow when it comes to some tens of thousands of small files. According to docs, it's really optimilized for very large files. < 1352502718 765223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimilitia < 1352502734 664045 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When (if) I've got a decent job, in the far off future, imagine how much hard drive I can have! < 1352502737 522975 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is crazy! < 1352502747 276039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "really slow" I mean it took like two hours just to stat(2) 20k files in order to prune a file list; reading through a directory is fast enough, but MATLAB's dir function stats every file to find the size. < 1352502753 462415 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If your license plate ends with an even number or 0, you fill up on even days" < 1352502762 332509 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what sort of things do you have in 123 terabytes? < 1352502816 504950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : It also manages somehow to be terribly slow when it comes to some tens of thousands of small files. According to docs, it's really optimilized for very large files. < 1352502830 19654 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to Moore's law, in 6 years I'll have 4 terabytes! < 1352502831 557551 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: make a filesystem optimised for small files as a file < 1352502834 331067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on it < 1352502834 743817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mount it loopback! < 1352502840 311621 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: *of RAM < 1352502850 387215 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of hard drive :( < 1352502861 663946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "Scientific data", I suppose. It's a cluster shared by the CS, physics, chemistry and such folks. I would assume it mostly runs simulations. < 1352502862 620926 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-39-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: 123 terabytes? Clearly, store Blurays raw. < 1352502880 189445 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, of course < 1352502980 764118 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saying that, I've got a laptop with 250 GB, an external with 130 GB, an external with 1 TB, and a computer from 2006 and one from 2001 so god knows how much hard drive they have < 1352502985 108887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just to pick a random job, someone's running "htseq.gencode_Sample_4.sh". I suspect some of the bio-computing folks. < 1352502986 482971 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This adds up to about 2 TB < 1352502987 681889 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1352502992 864403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has "gen" in it. < 1352502993 371222 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel insignificant < 1352503021 653242 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get a couple terabytes of bioinformatics data from the 'net to make yourself feel sciency < 1352503085 688817 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: The cluster has two (I think) nodes with 1 TB of RAM each, in the "hugemem" queue, for applications that need reasonable amounts of RAM. < 1352503146 866478 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, across my house there is just over 2 TB of hard drive space. RAM, I've got no idea, about 20 GB, I think < 1352503154 643989 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I living in the past? < 1352503165 871456 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you like some lotto numbers? < 1352503182 409424 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please. < 1352503219 508777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have much more than maybe a total of 5-6 TB disk at home either. < 1352503224 196219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, nearly anything is terribly slow with lots of small files < 1352503251 312784 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My place of work probably has less RAM and hard drive than this computer < 1352503253 492025 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only have 60 GB disk and 3 GB RAM in my laptop < 1352503256 104752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not so slow that it takes *hours* with just 20k files. < 1352503258 356701 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's a charity shop < 1352503258 404264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i just ordered one with a bit more < 1352503263 436356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok, that's bad < 1352503291 139458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at ksplice we had the need to frequently generate chroots off some fixed template, do something with them, and then throw out the changes < 1352503302 742253 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :initially we used a fancy unioning filesystem < 1352503316 253397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was much faster to simply store the chroots as .tar.gz, decompress them to a ram disk, and then delete them < 1352503327 836187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that way the only disk IO is a big sequential read < 1352503454 868680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wondermark.com/884/ < 1352503487 151405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lustre has some kind of a complicated split-to-servers scheme, but it apparently makes initially starting an access on file a slow thing; once it's open, it can read bytes very fast. Sadly, our tools aren't really written with that in mind. < 1352503508 163782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is your startup still classified < 1352503512 306562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not exactly < 1352503517 805824 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes < 1352503528 672501 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't have, like, a public page saying what we do < 1352503532 70656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we've been telling various people < 1352503538 806718 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you do < 1352503541 600824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a text chat tool for businesses < 1352503548 461251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in one sense, just glorified IRC in the browser < 1352503553 541050 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it has a different user experience from IRC < 1352503559 900051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw i was hoping for something at least 10x more exciting than that < 1352503563 920487 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well < 1352503568 67057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you have it < 1352503574 723156 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you want to do something more exciting, with me? < 1352503581 30417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard everyone uses ninchat for that now. < 1352503582 153474 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you were working on bombs that exploded into kittens or something < 1352503589 54529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: what are we talking here exactly < 1352503589 803931 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can make a text chat tool for the MILITARY! < 1352503594 779220 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahahahaha! < 1352503595 859582 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok how about < 1352503596 497030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1352503602 355058 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good idea < 1352503615 518690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I haven't heard of anyone in particular actually using ninchat.) < 1352503684 64438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh never heard of ninchat until now < 1352503684 813230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1352503720 971668 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1352503738 713167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know kmc knows his competitors < 1352503777 646959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thelliott < 1352503801 753400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, it is a pretty different company and product from ksplice < 1352503804 94904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly the same people < 1352503806 46789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is interesting < 1352503817 636010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who are the other people? < 1352503823 374464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean < 1352503859 128886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess I don't actually know most ksplice people. < 1352503896 855110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's okay, i don't know most non-ksplice people < 1352503907 340708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough! < 1352503979 624245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people from "ksplice classic" who are still at oracle are andersk and spang < 1352503985 479792 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nelhage left but went to stripe < 1352503995 886099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has already implemented at least one EBCDIC-based financial systems protocol < 1352504034 906223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming sucks < 1352504042 37885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats shoveling coal < 1352504092 965728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmers are like the only people in america who aren't unemployed < 1352504106 550746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :america sucks too < 1352504107 729215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact we are still in inexplicably high demand < 1352504119 108960 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that bubble is still going on isn't it < 1352504122 913840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1352504126 764533 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bubble? < 1352504127 183544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks paul graham < 1352504130 349488 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bubble < 1352504145 219133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of jobs working for disruptive startups who are marketing services for other disruptive startups who are eventually going to disrupt each other all the way to bankruptcy auction < 1352504162 334236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: look, if you haven't started a company by the age of 14, you're a failure and should kill yourself < 1352504168 615065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :paul graham is just telling it like it is < 1352504239 546192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YC came to MIT and gave a talk that was like "fuck MIT! drop out and do a startup" and then MIT did a talk that was like "fuck YC, we have our own incubator nobody has ever heard of!" < 1352504287 633400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody loves capitalism < 1352504288 531672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully i did not attend either < 1352504359 177376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so weird that software startup culture is obsesseed with funding < 1352504368 394570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's basically the least capital-intensive industry that could possibly exist < 1352504391 803199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess getting a fat sack of cash is a nice way to demonstrate your worth that's easier than making a product people want or will pay money for < 1352504419 777125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you have money you don't need a business model any more < 1352504518 233294 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought getting lots of funding was how it worked during the dotcom bubble too. < 1352504581 6224 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to go back to the days where every company ended in .com < 1352504589 565532 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :y combinator should be called startup.com < 1352504599 350923 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :British East India Company.com < 1352504608 971520 :KALLISTI!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: YES I AM TRAPPED IN FORTRAN HELP < 1352504622 794554 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, y .combinator? < 1352504626 938409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: shouldn't that just be britisheastindia.com < 1352504633 274873 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :KALLISTI, if you look to your left you should see a door labelled "COBOL". < 1352504635 265739 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't take it < 1352504641 647139 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-95-66.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, nah < 1352504666 881053 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theeastindiacompany.com/ So... < 1352504721 828359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they just need to be better at branding clearly < 1352504731 462872 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the east india company even do now < 1352504746 234602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I do want to do is making up a open source FPGA and sell it, and I want to make sure the OpenCores stuff will run on there at good enough speed without wasting too much energy. < 1352504746 421713 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :food, apparently < 1352504761 57311 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no word on paramilitaries < 1352504799 566866 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When you hear our name you will probably already have a sense of who we are. Deep within the world’s sub-consciousness is an awareness of The East India Company, powerful pictures of who we are. You’ll feel something for us; you’ll have a connection to us, even if you don’t know us." < 1352504800 445306 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1352504806 542875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is pretty much the most sinister opening ever < 1352504819 736019 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm not entirely sure if it's satire. < 1352504823 453390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Bike < 1352504827 442240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I don't know anything about them; they are wrong. < 1352504829 641975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how 'bout that eodermdrome interpreter < 1352504835 727276 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the Ullman paper. < 1352504866 609542 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It’s not a new beginning, < 1352504866 694131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s a connection to heritage < 1352504866 694302 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s a continuation of a long tradition < 1352504866 694411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s always been in our time < 1352504866 694520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1352504875 861945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of freaked out by the east india company now < 1352504878 137011 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it turns out that being completely naïve about graph theory makes it hard to write programs for it. < 1352504899 66105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well wikipedia claims the east india company no longer exists < 1352504902 878731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company_(disambiguation) is no help < 1352505029 263505 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/883e56f6-9d90-11df-a37c-00144feab49a.html#axzz2BlxbIVOh < 1352505097 697805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: KeithW just reminded me of one of the less obvious advantages of Mosh < 1352505107 289082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, you should definitely familiarise yourself with adjacency matrices if you haven't already. < 1352505110 312224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is that, an attacker can terminate a SSH connection by sending a single RST packet < 1352505116 263331 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's about as far as I got. < 1352505116 341492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Mosh's transport layer is encrypted-authenticated < 1352505154 476055 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-254-65.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well I know what those are at least. I just napped through a lot of that part of discrete maths, and haven't written ay actual programs for this stuff before. < 1352505177 47193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think we've talked about that advantage of Mosh before. < 1352505184 269182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least that disadvantage of SSH. < 1352505260 96112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs SSH.*packet < 1352505265 730273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't know how the log commands work.
< 1352505272 618122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog SSH.*packet < 1352505292 602432 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1352505299 319243 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.18986 < 1352505342 377527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1352505383 629004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-09-01.txt:22:51:50: kmc: "For example, an attacker can abort an SSH connection or an HTTPS connection by forging a single TCP Reset packet." < 1352505408 535472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, that's a quote from curvecp.org