00:06:16 Wow, Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman once entered Robot Wars and got kicked out for nearly killing the audience. 00:25:10 -!- monqy has joined. 00:27:06 oh no, MoALTz 00:28:29 URL? 00:29:06 Phantom_Hoover: Damn right they did. 00:30:52 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:31:33 -!- Arc_Koen has quit (Quit: that's dr. turing to you, punk). 00:35:14 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blendo 00:35:25 i am frankly amazed that nothing else is called that 00:36:43 Basically it smashed things up so violently that it was flinging shrapnel over the safety screens. 00:42:02 it looks kinda boring but obviously looks are not everything here 00:42:10 i mean, it's an upside down wok that spins really fast 00:42:14 i can see how that would be tough to beat 00:46:17 What footage I could find on YouTube showed it deflecting away most blows that it couldn't just evade. 00:46:17 Heh, the Blendo story is great. 00:46:28 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:46:56 I do like how it ended up losing because they couldn't win in exchange for withdrawing from the competition any more. 00:50:50 kmc, so did you vote for the green rainbow party in the end 00:54:59 no 00:55:05 i voted for barry o 00:55:29 why man 00:55:46 feel like a sucker voting 3rd party 00:56:21 you said you were a sucker voting at all 00:56:31 true 01:03:05 "In other top-level domains (TLDs), anyone can register a domain name including the letters "museum". This does not mean they are museums. You will only find genuine museums in .museum!" -- about.museum 01:03:42 How amuseum 01:03:46 i'm always getting tricked by fake museums online! 01:03:52 how do they define 'museum' 01:15:18 shachaf: today I tried to use my TV as a TV and failed 01:15:33 merely by flipping through all the channels, I caused them all to become static, even the ones that were working on the first round through 01:20:45 i think if i try to watch tv, tv licensing sneak through my window at night and fine me up to a thousand pounds of flesh 01:21:23 kmc: I thought you didn't even own one. :-( 01:21:29 Man, kmc is out of the club. 01:21:38 Phantom_Hoover: they have those vans 01:21:57 shachaf: well now it's not a TV is it ;P 01:22:16 just a very large HDMI monitor that I use to watch TV shows obtained over coax cable 01:22:44 http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-22440,00.html 01:22:44 coax pixels out of the wall 01:22:54 "Television and radio transmitters broadcast at a frequency that is so high it is unintelligible to the human ear." 01:23:20 ... 01:23:35 Reading the rest of this I'm fairly sure the guy is taking the piss. 01:23:35 That's a very high frequency, Phantom_Hoover. 01:25:46 Phantom_Hoover: He's just saying things that are so high they're unintelligible to the human mind. 01:31:22 hope we don't have another fucking florida recount 01:35:19 I think that would be fantastic 01:39:03 fucking florida 01:39:44 I predict landslide victory for ron paul write-ins, across the nation 01:39:48 mark my words! 01:40:03 if not ron paul, then fellure 01:40:21 because the king james bible is the ultimate platform 01:41:56 -!- Jafet has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 01:42:41 -!- SgeoN1 has joined. 01:48:02 today i voted to let seriously ill people kill themselves by smoking marijuana while repairing automobiles 01:48:16 good! 01:48:57 kmc: state? 01:49:28 massachusetts 01:49:32 by the way https://twitter.com/fivethirtynate is the best ever 01:50:17 I was considering votingba straight party ticket, but didnt. Still voted for people who i had little information about beyond party though :/ 01:50:38 I wanted to make sure my vote was wasted, so I voted straight Green party. 01:52:28 -!- ais523 has joined. 01:52:57 kmc: ಠ 01:53:17 ion: ꙮ 01:53:26 well, it's clear enough why that site is down 01:53:33 power cut throughout the whole University 01:53:56 * pikhq voted Dem, Green, Libertarian, and in favor of pot 01:54:06 Wish Internet was working. 01:55:04 I want a Wish Internet, too. 01:55:22 pikhq: which state are you in? 01:55:37 colorado 01:55:53 Id rather vote on referendums than for people. Dont need to do as much prior research 01:55:54 pikhq: you stoner you! 01:55:59 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 01:56:04 ais523: Yeah, I'm in CO. 01:56:11 I neither smoke pot nor ever wish to. 01:56:23 I just don't think that's cause to make it illegal. 01:57:39 yeah prohibition harms lots of people who don't partake 01:57:40 worth trying once 01:57:43 whether it's booze or pot 01:58:13 -!- TeruFSX_ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 01:58:59 -!- SgeoN1 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:03:53 I like the UK's solution with tobacco 02:04:16 which was to make it illegal to smoke in many public places, or to advertise its sale, but legal to sell it and to smoke it privately 02:04:51 i'm not sure i want another set of people complaining about how they have to go outside to smoke 02:05:27 it's increasingly illegal to smoke in public places in the US 02:07:07 Phantom_Hoover: well the obvious answer is to stop smoking, then 02:07:10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MToRvo5RExg helpful documentary material for those unfamiliar with the topic 02:07:14 kmc: is it illegal to advertise cigarettes? 02:07:34 ais523, also now they have those screens in front of cigarette stands 02:09:25 so you can't even SEE a packet of cigarettes unless you ask the shopkeeper 02:09:27 no 02:10:11 There's restrictions on cigarette advertising here, but it is still *legal*. 02:10:42 IIRC 02:10:49 -!- SgeoN1 has joined. 02:11:18 Yeah, it's profoundly limited in how it can be done. 02:11:32 “audio advertisements are not permitted to contain any music or sound effects, while video advertisements are limited to static black text on a white background. Any audio soundtrack accompanying a video advertisement is limited to words only, with no music or sound effects.” 02:13:00 That sounds pretty amazing, are there any examples on youtube? 02:15:30 friend reports "Someone is projecting CNN onto my neighbor's house" 02:20:10 Pennsylvania Obama 02:20:36 as expected 02:21:24 Radio claiming it was a swing state 02:21:29 none of the 'actual' swing states have been called yet 02:21:35 shrug 02:21:58 538 gave Obama 98.6% in PA 02:22:08 Romney made some desparate last-minute ad buys which I guess makes it a swing state 02:22:18 but media also has incentive to make things seem close when they aren't 02:22:34 hence ignoring that 20 polls together have a smaller margin of error than each poll individually 02:26:37 Im stuck on my phone, what does WNYCs map look like, im under the impression that it's fancier than others. 02:28:28 Patchwork map thingy 02:28:56 it looks like a bunch of tiny boxes of different colors all jumbled up 02:33:31 Is Wisconsin swing? I dont remember 02:34:32 yes, and it was called for obama just now 02:34:37 it's one of NYT's 9 swing states 02:34:59 FL OH WI NH IA CO NV VA NC 02:35:04 from memory :) 02:35:05 2/9 for Obama. 02:35:16 which two? 02:35:26 Cool, thanks. 02:35:44 intrade is now in sync with silver 02:35:50 Erm, oops 02:36:04 really 02:36:04 anyone doing the healthcare hedge? 02:36:15 you can make 10x your money to pay for healthcare if romney wins 02:36:18 :P 02:36:20 Healthcare hedge? 02:36:41 http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=743474 02:36:43 just being silly, really 02:36:58 haha 02:37:01 but if you don't want romney to win, maybe betting money on it will sweeten things a bit 02:37:02 My gf is, I think, mistakrn about the effectss of the healthcare law. 02:37:16 what does she think? 02:38:06 That if she's in college past 26, and her plan would have kept her insured, 26 is now the limitation due to the law and she'd need a new plan. 02:40:29 what *is* this healthcare law anyway 02:40:48 does it just, like, force you to buy insurance? 02:42:24 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act 02:43:03 it has a bunch of provisions 02:43:37 'PPACA requires insurance companies to cover all applicants and offer the same rates regardless of pre-existing conditions or gender.' 02:43:54 'Dependents (children) will be permitted to remain on their parents' insurance plan until their 26th birthday' 02:44:31 also your insurer has to give you a rebate if they spend more than 20% of your premium on administrative costs 02:44:44 Which i think she interpreted as "forbidden to remain after 26th birthday" 02:45:42 Romney needs to win most of the swing states to win overall, IIRC 02:45:54 Oh right, wisconsin and new hampshire 02:46:01 and needs to win Florida in particular, because it's worth the most 02:47:55 if he loses FL he can win by winning literally all of the others 02:47:56 that is the only way 02:48:13 but some media have already called WI for Obama 02:48:20 and/or NH 02:48:31 http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/president/scenarios 02:49:43 I personally don't think Romney will win without Florida, at least 02:49:59 and FL is mindbogglingly close atm 02:50:02 even if obama wins florida, it'll suck 02:50:07 cause it'll be ridiculously close 02:50:14 wait why is florida so important 02:50:17 GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD, you're talking about the election here, too. 02:50:19 Phantom_Hoover: it's worth 29 02:50:21 I CAN'T ESCAPE. 02:50:29 oh ok 02:50:31 29 sounds big 02:50:35 Phantom_Hoover: If Obama wins Florida, he wins. 02:50:45 not strictly true 02:50:47 the value of a state in determining a president is a linear function of the population 02:50:53 like, it's some fraction of the population, plus a constant 02:50:57 that's not linear 02:50:57 kmc: Romney would have to win literally every other swing state. 02:50:59 with some rounding applied, too 02:51:03 And some have already been called for Obama. 02:51:03 kmc: well, affine 02:51:20 it's not proportional, at least 02:51:41 WI and NH have already been called for Obama by some media... if he gets OH too then Romney cannot win 02:51:46 and he's well ahead in OH count so far 02:51:56 except... they can still tie under that scenario 02:51:58 yeah, OH for Obama seems likely 02:52:13 kmc: the BBC asked a bunch of their journalists for predictions 02:52:15 one of them predicted a tie 02:52:23 What if what was considered a safe Obama state toes Romney 02:52:27 Goes 02:52:33 and a tie gives Romney/Biden, right? 02:52:45 it is thought 02:52:46 SgeoN1: Depends on the state. If California went Romney, Romney would win. But that's nutty. 02:52:51 BBC just called NH for Obama 02:52:51 ais523: Likely. 02:53:05 you can get 20x on romney now 02:53:09 "what happens" is "an unprecedented constitutional clusterfuck" 02:53:14 ais523: The Republican house would choose the president, and the Democratic senate would choose the vice, so yeah, Romney/Biden. 02:53:29 the secret to this whole government thing is, everyone is making up the rules as they go 02:53:46 Gregor: well republican house and democratic senate isn't /guaranteed/ yet, but it seems very likely 02:53:47 i don't think the outcome of this completely unprecdented vote in the Congress is pre-ordained 02:53:47 Kmc, you should play nomic 02:53:59 kmc: yeah, we have unprecedented constitutional clusterfucks for fun 02:54:05 ais523: Right, yeah, but since that's the only reason for Romney/Biden... :) 02:54:16 if there were an EV tie with a clear PV margin for one candidate, some people might vote against party in the interests of Democracy (ha ha ha ha ha) 02:54:32 or there might be, like, riots in the street 02:54:34 who the fuck knows 02:54:45 kmc: I've been wondering about the chance of electoral vote against party 02:54:47 americans are mostly too lazy to riot though 02:54:49 kmc: Nice theory. 02:54:57 yes that's true, some electors could also change their votes 02:55:01 I think that both D and R have easily enough control over their electors, though 02:55:07 depending on the state they're from, they might face criminal penalties 02:55:17 like, if you're D or R, you're going to pick your most diehard fans ever as the electors 02:55:25 but would you be willing to go to jail to singlehandedly decide the presidential election? 02:55:50 kmc: some people would, but I doubt they'd go to jail to singlehandedly decide it in favour of their political opponents 02:56:45 political allegiences can shift quickly... 02:56:53 the Republican Party is barely holding together as is 02:57:06 the extremists are running the moderates out of town and have doomed the party 02:57:16 kmc: Nice theory. 02:57:18 i could totally see a spite vote by a moderate republican elector 02:57:28 i mean this is in the realm of extremely unlikely hypotheticals 02:58:22 the BBC thinks that the parties have moved further apart than before, particularly in the House of Representatives 02:58:32 as in, they're predicting it will have fewer moderates than it used to 02:58:45 although, US "moderate" = rest of the world "mindboggingly extreme right wing" 02:59:01 yep 02:59:55 my theory is that the Republican Party will evaporate over the next decade, due to inability to get anyone other than angry old white men to vote for them 03:00:12 US "bleeding heart liberal" = rest of the world "right-leaning moderate", no? 03:00:21 then maybe the Dems can have a legitimate challenge to the left 03:00:22 kmc: Seems like it. 03:00:28 pikhq: i think that's a bit of an overstatement 03:00:37 Eh, probably. 03:00:39 what's the electoral pull of the BNP? 03:00:45 the most left-leaning members of congress would still be solidly on the left side of the European spectrum 03:00:53 I have a friend who i think i would describe as religious fundamentalist. She's not an old man. 03:01:04 SgeoN1: She's a notable minority. 03:01:07 plus there's that whole nastiness in hungary. eugh. 03:01:10 in european terms we have a center-right party and an extreme right party. but some members of the former are pretty left-leaning 03:01:35 is pikhq claiming that all religious fundamentalists are old men or something 03:01:37 Bike: yeah there are extreme right anti-immigrant etc. parties all over europe :/ 03:01:46 Phantom_Hoover: Nah, just that most of them are. 03:01:50 but I mean, how much support do they have? 03:02:12 I keep hearing about them, but I don't know if they're just on par with the Prohibition Party or what 03:02:19 kmc, it's at that point that it breaks down though. 03:02:33 pikhq: for the US versus rest of the world theory: David Cameron brought in a "big society" thing in the UK where neighbourhoods were encouraged to solve their own problems on a local level 03:02:40 this was considered a particularly right-wing policy 03:02:57 ... *Right* wing? 03:03:04 some American on the news used a very similar policy as an example of what they liked about the left wing in the US 03:03:05 pikhq: yeah 03:03:17 FSVO right-wing 03:03:18 Yeah, that's really a solid Dem thing. 03:03:32 it was right-wing policy being dressed up as left-wing, basically 03:03:39 that's an example of the gulf between the US and UK in terms of political position, really 03:04:16 The last election had a pretty surreal element of all the parties pretending to be the real leftists 03:04:18 also yay the democrat i voted for for senate has won :) 03:04:50 Phantom_Hoover: yeah, although it's worth noting that the parties are back where they're meant to be 03:05:01 I'm pretty sure Labour was to the right of the Conservatives during the Blair years 03:05:08 but the Conservatives are definitely the rightmost at the moment 03:05:45 I wonder what romney's up to 03:06:33 he was campaigning earlier, but surely he's stopped by now 03:06:44 eventually we'll reach the point where people campaign the day after the election 03:06:46 but it hasn't happened yet 03:07:04 "victory" party in Boston 03:07:16 ais523: well they already send out fliers telling people to vote the day after the election 03:07:30 something to the effect of "due to a recent law, all black people now vote on wednesday" 03:07:33 common tactic 03:07:55 are you fucking serious 03:08:18 yep 03:08:28 Isnt thst an old urban legend? 03:09:23 That yep is incredibly ambiguous 03:10:25 http://www.boston.com/businessupdates/2012/11/06/private-jets-line-logan-romney-backers-arrive-boston/2Ol3ROMXhLU5Ppd2NOPDMN/story.html 03:10:32 http://current.com/groups/news-blog/93951496_tracking-voter-suppression-efforts-across-the-country.htm 03:10:35 'Robocalls made to Democrats have informed voters that due to Hurricane Sandy, the election has been moved to Wednesday, Nov. 7.' 03:11:04 http://holliston-hopkinton.patch.com/articles/robo-call-says-election-is-wednesday 03:11:11 of course, this is just an allegation from some random person 03:11:16 the way these things are done, it is very hard to prove 03:12:42 CA closes at 11 eastern, right? 03:14:37 -!- SgeoN1 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 03:17:25 -!- augur has joined. 03:23:37 kmc: there's at least one confirmed case this year where Republicans admitted putting the wrong election date on robocalls 03:23:40 they said it was a mistake 03:24:56 Todd Akin was defeated 03:24:58 Missouri voters had a way of shutting him down :) 03:25:26 He pissed a bunch of people off there. 03:25:44 what did he do 03:26:02 Legitimate rape. 03:26:21 He said that women who are actually raped don't get pregnat. 03:26:24 Pregnant 03:26:36 "First of all, from what I understand from doctors, [pregnancy from rape is] really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down." 03:26:50 it turns out that old white men are not actually experts on women's bodies! 03:26:55 except for Ron Paul of course 03:27:08 it's a worrying statement because I can believe that there are people who could believe that 03:27:16 yes a lot of people believe it 03:27:27 it may have even been the majority view in the 1800s 03:27:30 kmc, well unless they're gynaecologists 03:27:34 that is where the republican party is on women's issues 03:27:48 Phantom_Hoover: that's why I said "except for Ron Paul" 03:27:50 Phantom_Hoover: does knowing about vaginas make you an expert on wombs? 03:27:58 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:28:02 he needs to get endorsements from people who he delivered 03:28:15 ais523, uh 03:28:22 i'm not sure you understand what gynaecology is 03:29:06 it deals with the entire female reproductive system 03:30:29 Phantom_Hoover: Ron Paul was actually a gynecologist before he was a politician. 03:30:32 Legit. 03:30:59 Phantom_Hoover: ah, OK 03:32:02 anyway 03:32:05 * Phantom_Hoover -> sleep 03:32:18 (note to self, finish installing linux and enable compose key so i can do that properly) 03:32:22 Looks like we're getting legal marijuana in CO 03:32:22 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:32:54 how does that interact with it still being schedule I federally, exactly 03:33:13 http://brainwrap.com/various/gop_rape_advisory_megachart.gif 03:33:17 Bike: poorly 03:33:45 it will hinge on whether Obama (or Romney, lol) directs the federales to lay off or not 03:34:14 so far they have been hassling medical mj sellers in CA etc a little bit, but not enough to shut down the program 03:34:27 remains to be seen how they will deal with explicitly recreational use 03:36:44 is the federal government allowed to enforce drug laws? 03:36:53 I guess they could just decide to put a really really large federal tax on drugs 03:37:03 sufficiently high that nobody could pay it 03:37:38 ais523: didn't you hear, growing pot in your own backyard and smoking it yourself in your own house is interstate commerce 03:37:42 seriously 03:37:51 ais523: They can enforce it directly, *but* it would be insanely hard and politically unviable to do so. 03:37:56 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich 03:38:02 They would literally have to send in the FBI at great expense 03:38:12 And it'd make the states rights people go *nuts*. 03:38:14 there is actually non-drug precedent for this... local price controls on crops during the Great Depression or something 03:38:15 kmc: that makes no sense 03:38:19 pikhq: FBI or DEA 03:38:23 that being interstate commerce, that is 03:38:34 they can also do things like, withold federal assistance money from the states that legalize mj 03:38:39 ais523: "interstate commerce" is now the root password to the Constitution. 03:38:39 ais523: yep it is, 03:38:45 it was a bit of a surprise when the supreme court ruled that obama's healthcare changes weren't interstate commerce 03:38:53 but they also ruled that they were legal as a federal tax 03:38:54 no i thought they ruled it's a legal tax 03:38:55 right 03:38:59 yes 03:39:15 the funny thing is, lots of journalists saw the "not interstate commerce" bit and announced the verdict wrongly 03:39:26 to be fair, I'm not sure we need or want federalism anymore... but I wish we could switch over sanely rather than inventing these ridiculous loopholes 03:39:33 the people who read the whole decision were a bit slower 03:39:49 i think federalism went out the window when the federal government had to spend about 100 years repeatedly forcing the south to stop treating black people as farm equipment 03:40:33 Yeah, that's when we killed it. 03:40:36 "they came for the slaveowners, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a slaveowner"? 03:40:39 likewise, i think abortion should be legal but i think the SCOTUS argument in Roe v. Wade is pretty ridiculous as law goes 03:40:58 we should just get a non-braindead government and pass a law saying abortion is legal and the states can suck it 03:41:08 but, that's not how it works. 03:41:36 SCOTUS is kinda hacking the everloving crap out of the US legal system. 03:42:24 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:YoungWomanInTubeTop.jpg#filehistory 03:42:46 c.c 03:45:29 kmc: let's pass two laws, one saying it's legal, the other saying it's illegal 03:45:46 yeah 03:45:48 keep everyone happy 03:45:53 that happens all the time :/ 03:47:35 http://i.imgur.com/jluYz.jpg http://i.imgur.com/rxDvM.jpg 03:47:53 awwww 03:51:02 http://www.craigboyce.com/w/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/F_Word_OK-010.jpg 03:51:28 luckily they were rescued after that 03:53:06 in NV you can vote "None" 03:53:26 is that different from not voting 03:54:20 it sends a stronger message 03:54:40 "i got my ass to the polling place just to tell you all how much i hate these two candidates" 03:54:49 i don't know if it has any other effect 03:55:29 maybe if "None" gets a plurality of the vote then Nevada's electoral votes abstain ;P 03:57:17 vote :: Maybe (Either Obama Romney) -> IO () 03:57:31 vote _ = return () 03:57:44 ^---- experimental voting machine software 03:57:51 but it's in Haskell so it's provably correct ;) 03:57:56 yeah! 03:57:58 no bias! 03:58:13 unsafeModifyVotes 03:58:35 you know this would be a great way to rig the voting machines 03:58:45 don't add bias, just make the ones in certain neighborhoods less reliable 04:01:34 -!- SgeoN1 has joined. 04:01:48 pairs trading? http://snapplr.com/3sps 04:02:24 I thonk it's time to jump ship from AndroIRC back to AndIRC 04:03:06 -!- SgeoN1 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:09:09 -!- SgeoN1 has joined. 04:09:30 kmc: there was a story a while back about machines being recalibrated because they were recording votes incorrectly… 04:09:46 the only thing I can think of is touchscreens being miscalibrated so you have to press in the wrong place for the vote to be recorded 04:13:28 heh 04:14:46 NBC has called it for Obama 04:14:49 he takes OH and the election 04:16:20 CBS did as well. 04:17:00 Fox called OH for obama 04:17:27 FL looks kinda likely, but painfully close 04:18:03 if you want, you can make 66x your investment on intrade now if romney wins 04:18:37 -!- SgeoN1 has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 04:20:38 CNN as well 04:23:08 -!- SgeoN1 has joined. 04:23:35 kmc: wanna crash mitt's party? :D 04:24:17 Romney currently winning popular vote. 04:24:30 SgeoN1: Don't mean jack 04:24:59 BBC has called it for Obama, too 04:25:03 Means can't really convince people it's large. 04:25:17 again as a response of calling Ohio 04:25:19 haha 04:25:19 But also means people will take notice of electoral college. 04:25:22 was Obama getting Ohio unexpected? 04:25:26 PV does matter for meta-game reasons, yes 04:25:34 ais523: no, he was the favorite on 538 etc. 04:25:51 538 put the odds he wins OH about the same as the odds he wins the election (~ 90%) 04:26:31 Thus far, 538 matches the electoral one. 04:26:52 pikhq: congratulations. For four more years, your government will be an 04:27:02 * coppro sunglasses 04:27:03 Obama-nation 04:27:49 pikhq: 538 appears to be wrong about VA 04:27:56 Mmm. 04:28:00 green-rainbow got 1% in MA 04:28:14 Gary Johnson is pushing 1% of the overall popular vote 04:28:25 you amurricans and your ridiculous election system 04:28:31 don't think anyone has called VA yet, and some heavily dem-leaning counties are underrepresented in the existing count 04:29:38 "I grasp from the beak of a silver dove a laurel wreath of finely-wrought permutations. The Signal has come at last." 04:30:02 in fact obama is ahead in VA again 04:30:10 according to CNN 04:31:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKUOB8MN4Kc 04:32:15 kmc: according to fox too 04:32:26 maybe silver will be spot on after all 04:33:16 that would be cool 04:33:19 us nerds gotta stick together 04:34:06 -!- Sgeo has joined. 04:34:44 -!- SgeoN1 has quit (Quit: Bye). 04:35:20 lol 04:35:22 pikhq: apparently cannabis is to be legalized in your state 04:35:22 hicks 04:35:29 Yup. 04:35:35 pikhq: can you mail me a bag o' weed? 04:35:38 kthx 04:35:47 although it's too early to be sure 04:35:52 which state 04:35:53 mail me one anyway 04:35:58 kmc: colorado 04:36:04 oh yeah, cool 04:36:07 washington also appears likely to legalize 04:36:09 not oregon though 04:36:13 wonder if la dea will intervene 04:36:23 and same-sex marriage will remain illegal in washington :( 04:36:28 D: 04:36:43 shit, really? 04:36:52 * pikhq wants to be permitted to marry the set of people he could find himself in a relationship with! 04:37:06 54.0% against the ballot with one third of the polls reporting 04:37:35 and new hampshire is... banning income tax 04:37:45 what? 04:37:52 -!- Jafet has joined. 04:38:03 haha 04:39:17 coppro: it already had none 04:39:33 was very beneficial to me when I was making pittance as a grad student 04:40:04 "Obama Projected as Winner, Romney 04:40:04 Campaign Not Yet Ready to Concede" 04:40:13 (According to Fox News website) 04:40:25 haha 04:40:36 yeah 04:40:41 recount time! 04:41:04 PV evening out 04:41:31 coppro: you happen to have a link for the marriage thing? 04:41:42 Bike: huffington post 04:41:46 thanks 04:41:55 oh wait, they don't have the numbers yet 04:42:00 I was looking on another site previously 04:42:07 closed it since huffpo does it much better 04:42:15 I'm tempted to put FOX 5 on TV 04:42:46 pikhq: oh good 04:42:52 ? 04:43:02 pikhq: your state is proving sane by attempting to prohibit corporate political expense 04:43:08 Ah. Right, yes. 04:43:52 and michigan wants a bridge! 04:43:53 hooray! 04:44:55 pikhq: Not only that, but the margin is strong enough to send a clear message to politicians that this is a good route to pursue 04:45:24 Whooo 04:45:30 Romney didn't write his concession speech 04:45:41 pikhq: even though it is technically non-binding 04:45:52 hmm 04:45:57 CO passes legalized marijuana 04:46:02 Whooo baby 04:46:17 maybe we should rename ##parliament to ##governance 04:46:29 it would be good to discuss things like referenda there 04:47:05 -!- augur has joined. 04:47:21 pikhq: well, I know where I'm going next April :D 04:47:51 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:48:32 what the flying fuck 04:48:40 alabama's ballot measures are insane 04:48:53 did they declare that gay people are a type of tree or something 04:48:58 Alabama has the world's largest Constitution. What do you expect? 04:49:10 yeah there are parking ordinances in the constitution 04:49:18 pikhq: Do they actually? 04:49:42 Yes. 04:49:49 At 340 kilowords. 04:49:55 yeah we should move to ##government or ##government 04:50:21 hey, one of Alabama's amendments is actually a sane law 04:50:35 allowing union votes to be by secret ballot 04:50:44 now why the fuck that needs a constitutional amendment, I do not know 04:51:28 what the 04:51:29 http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Alabama_Lawrence_County_Amendment,_Amendment_11_(2012) 04:51:58 *whyyyyyy* 04:52:30 pikhq: oh hey 04:52:39 huffpo is reporting that same sex marriage has the lead in washington 04:52:46 Awesome. 04:55:50 yay 04:56:25 Matthew Shepard seems angry at .. government, for gridlock and not listening to the people 04:56:59 Main also 04:57:02 *Maine 04:57:41 it has a slight lead in Maryland 04:58:08 and Maryland has also apparently ensured that illegal immigrants get resident tuition 04:59:28 coppro: your link is slashdotted, what does it lead to? 04:59:33 when it's working? 04:59:33 it will be exciting to see how the federal govt reacts to CO marijuana legalization 04:59:44 And WA (I think it's passing?) 04:59:58 ais523: it works intermittently 05:00:16 pikhq: yeah, it appears to be 05:00:18 yeah but mashing refresh is only going to make the slashdotting worse 05:00:30 oh, MN is also in favour of same-sex marriage 05:00:33 you guys are finally coming round :P 05:00:54 Gay orgy time 05:01:00 "As of July 2011, the city of Denver counted more medical marijuana dispensaries than Starbucks franchises." 05:01:33 I wish I was watching Hannity. Watch his tears. Shepard is being too reasonable. 05:01:40 i wonder how many of the Medical Marijuana stores will convert to selling Fun Marijuana 05:02:32 https://twitter.com/seanhannity 05:02:42 ais523: anyway, the link provides that no municipality located wholly outside Lawrence County can impose any form of ordnance on the areas inside the intersection of its police jurisdiction and Lawrence County 05:02:43 I love how he tweets each Romney win and none of the Obama ones 05:02:44 coppro: OK, loaded it: so that amendment is basically leaving a county to live by itself 05:02:46 http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Montana_Corporate_Contributions_Initiative,_I-166_(2012) 05:02:51 Except for the one about not gloating 05:02:58 no fire service from outside, etc 05:02:59 ais523: yes. And this was submitted to the voters. 05:03:09 of everywhere, or just lawrence county? 05:03:13 just the one county 05:03:20 and, hmm 05:03:27 does alabama know what "constitution" means? 05:03:34 Sgeo: fair and balanced 05:03:34 Ok, Glenn Beck's twitter is almost funny 05:03:36 I'm not convinced 05:03:45 Asking who 2nd term Obama will blame the economy on 05:04:01 romney, obviously :) 05:05:58 a fair question 05:06:30 president gets too much credit for the economy either way 05:07:31 I don't think Romney's going to run again. This lack of a concession speech has to be embarrassing. 05:08:08 Is Matthew Shepard a Democrat? He's sounding like one. 05:08:31 Wait, am I mixing up names again? 05:08:35 Shepard Smith? 05:08:47 ....I have no idea who I'm watching, except the name "Shep" 05:09:02 Shepard Smith 05:09:04 I feel like a derp 05:09:38 ....I was using the name of a murdered kid. 05:09:59 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 05:10:00 * Sgeo goes to hide 05:11:27 that makes the last five minutes make a /lot/ more sense 05:13:23 dongs 05:15:26 http://www.fark.com/comments/7420987/Woman-briefly-barred-from-voting-for-wearing-a-MIT-t-shirt 05:16:00 fart dot com 05:16:24 trump threw a tantrum on twitter 05:16:45 hilarious 05:17:29 what a classy gentleman 05:17:53 he's someone I wish would just disappear 05:18:01 but that won't happen because he has a lot of money and a big ego 05:18:08 "The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy." yes good 05:18:12 even though he doesn't really have much of a role anywhere 05:18:22 "The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy." 05:18:23 and south dakota has decided that the state must balance its budget 05:18:29 Oh 05:19:05 coppro: do you think it /will/? 05:21:57 ais523: It won't have a choice 05:22:57 -!- augur has joined. 05:23:37 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:23:43 -!- augur has joined. 05:23:44 -!- Jafet1 has joined. 05:23:46 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 05:25:14 -!- Jafet has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 05:26:59 Does the Romney campaign still believe it could win? 05:27:06 I guess? 05:27:25 Sgeo: what state are you in, again? 05:27:30 NY 05:27:45 Maybe Romney's just being a dick to Obama 05:28:34 Even *Fox News* is calling it for Obama. 05:29:20 I think I like Shepard Smith now 05:32:23 at this point Obama wins without FL, OH, *or* VA 05:32:34 they are just icing on a nate silver shaped cake 05:34:08 At this point it's fair to say Nate Silver is a victor. 05:37:07 I wish it was more of a PV landslide 05:37:09 this time around there were a few other people running quantitavite models 05:37:49 i think at this point, election-running and political advertising are such a precise science that we won't get huge landslides 05:38:06 both parties can find and appeal to the median voter with pinpoint accuracy 05:39:46 Until such time that someone goes crazy and shits on a baby. 05:40:22 but they could capture that elusive baby-shitter demographic 05:40:37 we may get some landslides as the Republican Party implodes over the next decade 05:40:48 or some interesting 3-way races 05:41:04 GOP extremist vs Democrat vs semi-credible progressive challenger 05:41:38 "Mr. Obama’s coalition included support from blacks, Hispanics, women, those under 30, those in unions, gay men and lesbians and Jews." 05:41:47 i.e. everyone other than angry old white men 05:42:09 I'd feel better about Obama's victory if he wins the PV 05:43:12 shrug 05:43:30 a split outcome might be good in the long run, as far as bipartisan support for electoral college reform 05:43:52 overturn citizens goddamn united, first 05:44:31 i have mixed feelings about citizens united 05:44:40 maybe they should wait until i am not drunk 05:45:27 also, better prepare your flags 05:45:49 airing a documentary against an incumbent politician is unquestionably the kind of thing the first amendment should protect 05:45:53 money is needed to be heard on the airwaves 05:45:57 it's not about "money is speech" 05:46:06 it's about "restricting money restricts speech" 05:46:07 it looks like you might need a nother star 05:46:10 *another star 05:46:55 for puerto rico? 05:47:22 Yup 05:47:30 so after trump threw his tantrum about the electoral college, it looks like obama will win that too, by a small margin 05:48:31 the popular vote you mean? 05:48:40 PR's thing is nonbinding though i think 05:48:44 I mean yeah 05:48:46 so it will be years of gridlock before anything happens 05:49:15 kmc: It seems reasonably definitive, though 05:49:34 a majority voted in favour of the relationship and statehood is overwhelmingly preferred as the new system 05:49:53 The major issue that was preventing it in the past was Puerto Rico didn't want statehood. 05:49:55 ^ 05:50:08 The biggest obstacle will be a constitution 05:50:19 even the morons in modern congress shouldn't have trouble approving things 05:52:52 -!- Jafet1 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 05:55:07 http://xkcd.com/1131/ 05:55:53 Romney making concession speech 06:04:43 http://www.palinaspresident.us/barack/ 06:06:08 I've heard better autotuning... 06:06:44 I think that page may have unduly affected my mind 06:06:47 haha 06:08:01 Appears we've got a good deal of same-sex marriage stuff passed, too. 06:08:36 gay weed is law in washington. sp 06:08:52 *so's charter schools and university not investing in stocks, but nobody cares probably 06:08:56 And multiple openly gay members of Congress. 06:09:20 First lesbian Senator... 06:09:21 303-203 does that count as a landslide, or does landslide rely on strong PV? 06:09:57 Can you get an electoral landslide while losing the PV? 06:11:05 Depends 06:11:17 I think it is judged by how close it "felt" 06:11:41 Bike: Yo, are you interested in how government works? 06:11:55 sure, why not 06:14:28 Ugh, my rep. won :( 06:15:00 Bike: ##parliament 06:15:04 ah 06:22:44 Sgeo: Technically, Obama could still lose the PV. It's not very likely. 06:22:51 Sgeo: But he's assuredly won an electoral landslide. 06:23:31 Will people consider it a landslide for purposes of whether or not Obama has a "mandate"? 06:25:29 I don't think that has a useful meaning. 06:25:46 ^ 06:26:35 -!- StormTwo has joined. 06:26:53 Sgeo: Obama does not have a mandate. Reason, the GOP exists. 06:34:34 I want to cum 06:34:48 eject semen/sperm 06:35:09 This is not a particularly erotic place. 06:35:18 -!- StormTwo has changed nick to StormThree. 06:35:25 Most discussions of sex here are in the abstract. And it's not one of our typical topics. 06:38:04 =========D --- 06:39:05 www.xhamster.am 06:39:09 I'm so glad you defined "cum" for us. We don't live on the Internet, so we wouldn't otherwise know what that means. 06:39:35 hai, tinntinn sìȳa. tèmo, soriȳa hàka nn sìȳa 'te. 06:39:38 -!- StormThree has changed nick to StormTwo. 06:44:06 -!- StormTwo has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 06:56:37 -!- Bike_ has joined. 06:57:55 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:00:53 -!- Jafet has joined. 07:07:31 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 07:08:53 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 07:23:31 I think my life story is me moving from being somewhat right-wing to very left-wing 07:24:08 I know that. 07:25:12 When I was a kid, I wanted some information on time-zone stuff. There was a website that had the information I was looking for. 07:25:29 However, it was part of a GLBT website/group, so I refused to look at it. 07:25:54 Eventually got the information I was looking for ... when I clicked another sort of link to that same page such that I didn't realize what site I went on. 07:27:10 * pikhq groks 07:27:30 pff. 07:29:54 Sgeo: I've been on a freaking mission trip to a third-world country. 07:29:56 Look at me now. 07:30:40 pikhq, o.O 07:31:21 I guess I was never ... that religious. Even when I believed in God, I would get ticked off at leaving candles burn, because I felt God valued our safety over religious rituals. 07:31:35 I was profoundly religious when I was younger. 07:31:38 Although, I should note that I grew up Reformed Jewish. 07:31:39 That faded as I learned more. 07:33:14 Aaaand now I'm out as bi and an atheist. 07:34:51 bialetheism 07:34:56 I used to have a "make all drugs illegal" mindset. I am now in favor of legalization of some drugs. 07:35:08 Just posted a lengthy Facebook status about it >.> 07:40:16 -!- monqy has joined. 07:42:38 I can't help but wonder if my supporting marijuana legalization now, as opposed to sooner (in which I officially considered myself on the fence, I think), is because of an authotarian streak I think I have 07:42:53 http://twitter.com/republicantears 07:43:04 It's (somewhat) legal in one of the states now, therefore it's ok for me to support it. 07:43:16 I tend to feel uneasy breaking rules. 07:46:39 I'm still not clear on how that works. Is it like, I'll walk by a marijuana store, and then they spot some ATF agents and run for it? 07:48:58 * Sgeo has no idea 07:50:17 more likely nothing will actually change until the feds do, I suppose 07:51:36 -!- ais523 has quit. 07:56:06 Re-public ant ears. 08:27:03 Sgeo: Have you considered having an antiauthoritarian streak? 08:28:28 It does occur to me that there are some rules I feel no guilt about violating 08:28:43 Age restrictions (joined a 13+ chat when I was 12 and an 18+ chat when I was 17) 08:28:52 haha, you rebel 08:29:41 How old are you now? 08:29:57 Old enough that I don't think there are any more age restrictions. 08:30:10 I bet there are. 08:30:16 do you like about your age to get senior discounts? 08:30:26 This is a 22+ chat, Sgeo. 08:31:03 I didn't say "barely" old enough. 08:31:24 Actually it's a 25+ chat. 08:34:22 -!- FreeFull has quit. 08:35:47 Finland has a minimum age restriction of 30 for a vasectomy. (Trivia fact for today.) 08:37:35 (30 years, that is.) 08:37:41 Also I think I've heard something about bars with age limits up to 28+, though I haven't seen anything more than something like 24+. 08:48:13 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 08:50:49 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: leaving). 09:00:27 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 09:25:22 -!- nooga has joined. 09:40:35 -!- impomatic has joined. 11:01:33 -!- Jafet has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 11:13:40 -!- sirdancealot8 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:15:49 -!- sirdancealot7 has joined. 11:17:54 -!- jiella has joined. 11:23:15 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: http://BASICcomic.com). 11:33:44 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:05:38 -!- nooodl_ has joined. 12:08:43 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 12:08:45 -!- Arc_Koen has joined. 12:19:06 -!- Jafet has joined. 12:38:56 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 12:40:39 -!- Slereah has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:02:38 -!- epicmonkey_ has joined. 13:03:58 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 13:39:23 -!- elliott has joined. 13:43:56 -!- jiella has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 13:51:25 -!- ogrom has joined. 13:51:39 -!- ogrom has quit (Client Quit). 13:55:10 01:48:02: today i voted to let seriously ill people kill themselves by smoking marijuana while repairing automobiles 13:55:16 kmc: #1 way to die??? 14:09:18 -!- sivoais has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:11:34 -!- sivoais has joined. 14:14:41 -!- boily has joined. 14:30:28 -!- benuphoenix|away has joined. 14:32:37 -!- impomatic has joined. 14:35:50 -!- benuphoenix|away has changed nick to benuphoenix. 14:39:22 -!- FreeFull has joined. 14:40:49 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 14:49:14 -!- trout has quit (Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero). 15:06:37 -!- copumpkin has joined. 15:22:32 -!- variable has joined. 15:32:21 -!- epicmonkey_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 15:39:11 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 15:40:39 -!- copumpkin has joined. 15:44:00 -!- epicmonkey_ has joined. 15:51:38 "That said, federal law still says marijuana is an illegal drug, so don't break out the Cheetos or Goldfish too quickly." -- CO Gov. John Hickenlooper 15:52:03 beautirful 15:52:17 I also like that he's accepting the decision 15:54:09 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: impomatic). 15:54:23 doesn't have a choice does he? 15:55:28 kmc: Your nation's government doesn't always seem to think that way 15:55:41 sure 15:56:07 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 15:56:35 this guy was mayor of denver when they legalized pot on a city basis 15:56:49 and he opposed it, but presumably got a chance to see that it didn't cause the earth to swallow up the city of denver 15:58:03 also happened last night: the first openly gay person elected to the Senate 15:59:02 yeah :) 16:04:21 so what does it actually mean for it to be legal in CO if it's federally illegal 16:04:58 It's a superposition then, right? 16:05:24 It collapses to legal or illegal when a police officer observes you. I think. 16:05:36 They covered something like this on the quantum physics courses, but I didn't pay too much attention. 16:08:21 elliott: it means that city and state police won't hassle you over it 16:08:38 kmc: but it's still illegal? 16:08:41 in theory if you're smokin' weed in your house, the federal DEA could still break down your door 16:08:48 but this is pretty unlikely 16:08:54 more likely they would go after distributors 16:09:03 as has sporadically happend with medical marijuana in CA etc 16:09:22 remember, federal law also doesn't recognize state medical marijuana programs, but those have existed for a while 16:09:44 in practice it will depend a lot on how Obama et al set federal law enforcement priorities 16:09:55 if he was a strict prohibitionist he could make life hard for CO -- withhold federal law enforcement assistance money, etc. 16:10:06 but my read is that he will try to ignore it as much as possible 16:10:40 It'd probably be politically difficult for him to be strict prohibitionist on this. 16:10:57 well the tide is certainly shifting on this issue 16:11:18 not one but two states legalized it yesterday, and more approved medical mj 16:11:40 so any president with a sense of the path of history (i.e.: not george w bush) would think twice before standing in front of this issue 16:11:59 Legalize gay weed and medical marriage now. 16:12:02 yes 16:12:23 i look forward to buying pot bronwies from the dining car on california high speed rail 16:30:13 -!- pikhq_ has joined. 16:30:42 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 16:31:12 hey don't we have a category for OISCs? http://esolangs.org/wiki/OISC#See_also seems to be emulating one 16:32:13 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:52:21 -!- benuphoenix has changed nick to benuphoenix|away. 16:56:47 -!- benuphoenix|away has quit (Quit: Coyote finally caught me). 17:14:02 -!- augur has joined. 17:36:11 -!- Bike has joined. 18:02:41 -!- impomatic has joined. 18:25:31 -!- NihilistDandy has joined. 18:27:12 http://isnatesilverawitch.com/ 18:30:05 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:35:26 -!- epicmonkey_ has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 18:36:17 Does it just say "YES"? 18:36:31 Oh, it says "PROBABLY". 18:37:38 did he predict any sstate wrong 18:37:39 *states 18:38:27 -!- Vorpal has joined. 18:41:17 I think Florida's still unknown 18:41:37 But keep in mind that we're all comparing to his latest prediction, but what about earlier ones? 18:41:59 It makes sense that the latest prediction is most accurate, I think 18:44:18 yes 18:44:28 it's not that hard to do what he did on the eve of the election 18:44:42 much simpler models than his produce the same result 18:45:47 http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-romney-remain-about-equally-powerful,30289/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:quote:default 18:46:25 hehehe 18:49:34 http://www.theonion.com/articles/defeated-man-victorious,30281/ 18:51:41 http://www.theonion.com/articles/millions-without-power-following-election,30247/ 18:51:50 Ok, I need to stop linking to The Onion 18:51:53 I am addicted 18:52:03 hi 18:52:45 Hehe. The Onion ♥ 18:54:29 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:54:38 yes 18:54:44 onion headlines are consistently brilliant 18:54:56 okay i like http://www.theonion.com/articles/millions-without-power-following-election,30247/ because it doesn't actually give away the joke completely 18:54:57 the article text is hit or miss, but i can live with that -- it matches my attention deficit lifestyle 18:55:05 which tends to be what the onion strives for in the actual articles 18:55:27 (ps by give away the joke I mean hammer it into your head repeatedly) 19:05:17 -!- carado has joined. 19:07:41 http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-want-to-congratulate-the-president-romney-says-i,30283/ 19:11:53 -!- NihilistDandy has quit (Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]). 19:11:59 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 19:19:36 -!- carado has joined. 19:26:07 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:27:22 -!- sirdancealot7 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 19:30:09 -!- 14WAANJK4 has joined. 19:33:38 All the Finnish words two subsequent abbreviations of weekday names form. :-P http://dl.dropbox.com/u/75238938/viikonpaivat.gif 19:36:46 -!- augur has joined. 19:40:10 "tisu" is missing 19:40:25 wait, does that mean latolatolatolatolato... is a word? 19:40:29 Actually, it’s missing a few others, too. 19:40:38 I couldn't think of any others 19:41:20 > concat $ repeat "lato" 19:41:22 "latolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatola... 19:41:34 toti, Titi (-nalle), Pepe, Keke (Rosberg), Toto (gambling) 19:41:47 I was excluding names 19:42:02 "Make"'s a common abbreviation, at least 19:42:16 But yeah, toti as well 19:44:45 does viikonpaivat mean fig language? 19:44:57 there are some pretty long words in there. what does pesumatola mean, for example 19:45:22 It's a washwormery, of course 19:45:59 Deewiant, got a mail from the person who took over rcfunge98 recently (on an email that I'm phasing out and not currently checking very often) 19:46:13 talking about an idea for a new fingerprint 19:46:18 not sure if you got that too? 19:46:33 Nope 19:47:04 oh well I did answer what I could and directed her to you (on IRC) as an additional resource 19:47:28 The idea was a fingerprint to handle the issue of zero length command line arguments. 19:47:48 it looks mostly okay, but not super-interesting. 19:48:07 (so eh, like a lot of rcfunge that wasn't time travel related) 19:48:16 Deewiant: okay, how about ketolamasuti 19:48:58 nooodl_: meadow-depression brush, maybe. 19:49:24 In the economic sense of depression. 19:49:46 you guys have a word for "meadow-depression brush"? 19:49:47 woah everyone here is finnish 19:50:00 nooodl_, I'm Swedish, so no 19:50:10 Vorpal: English has a phrase, we have a word. Sometimes it's like that. 19:50:12 Vorpal: agglutinative languages have words for *everything*! 19:50:27 Vorpal: It was just "meadow", "economic depression" and "brush" concatenated. 19:50:30 ah 19:50:34 nooga: and hundreds of thousands of words for snow 19:50:41 But it's a viable compound word, for some values of viable. 19:50:45 err, nooodl_ 19:51:07 I'm thinking we should add the missing words so that we can have a complete graph for that weekday-abbreviation thing; it should be something any language could be proud of. 19:51:27 -!- epicmonkey_ has joined. 19:51:39 fizzie, hm you can still manage that in Swedish: ängsdepresionspensel? 19:52:04 also I'm not sure about the number of s in that 19:52:07 looks off 19:52:15 yeah 19:52:25 ängsdepressionspensel 19:52:33 that is the correct spelling 19:52:36 hm. so "latolatolatolatolamasumasuma" is valid finnish? 19:52:39 that is brush as in paintbrush though 19:52:43 (for some value of "valid") 19:52:59 ängsdepresionsborste for another meaning of brush 19:53:13 Anything is valid for some value of "valid"; for example, for the meaning "invalid". 19:53:54 I don't think such repetition really has a meaning in Finnish. 19:54:06 At least generally speaking. 19:54:21 (hey, i guess you could pull this off in dutch too but it sounds forced. "madedepressiepenseel") 19:54:23 I mean, I guess "latolato" could be some kind of a barn for containing barns. 19:54:41 And "latolatolato" then a barn for containing barns containing barns. 19:54:44 nooodl_, it sounds forced in Swedish too 19:54:51 And so on. 19:55:06 mostly because it makes no sense 19:55:18 "barn barn barn thing thing thing thing" - the best, most useful word 19:58:10 And "Xsuma", being "a gridlock of X's" (vaguely speaking) you could I suppose also extend so that "Xsumasuma" would be a gridlock of gridlocks of X's. (Disclaimer: gridlock is probably not the best translation here, but maybe the point is clear.) 19:58:47 now all that's left is the "lama" part 19:58:56 That's the economic depression. 19:59:02 Like, "lamasuma" could be a series of economic depressions that just don't seem to clear out, very reasonably. 19:59:13 how lame 19:59:16 ooh neat 19:59:30 fizzie, like right now then? 20:00:00 "gridlock of gridlocks of depressions of barns of barns of barns of barns". should be in finnish dictionaries 20:00:02 fizzie: It could also be a llama who is quite good at sums. 20:00:06 You know, a llama summer. 20:00:39 Are you talking about finnish again? 20:00:53 yep 20:01:42 I suppose a "depression of barns" is when the number of new barns raised drops? 20:02:04 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:02:11 it's when barns get sad 20:02:12 irl 20:02:30 `words --finnish 10 20:02:42 korvosta osasinasi hartamme säveltaan kansasitykseenilläsittävän vainoksestymässääsi ahkeimmilleni vetoimittävällä mukatorille omasta 20:02:45 fizzie, no, it is when there are so many barns built that the economy crashes 20:02:51 wow those ar e good 20:02:57 nooodl_: do you know finnish or something 20:03:03 no :( 20:03:08 good 20:03:16 elliott, why is that good? 20:03:16 "osasinasi" - "as small parts of you", with some interpretation. 20:03:42 i hate finnish people 20:03:47 `quote would anyone 20:03:50 727) oh right: Frooxius, you wouldn't happen to live in Hexham, would you? No, sorry. phew How about Finland? Why would I live there? That's a *very* good question. Why would anyone? 20:04:21 "mukatorille" - "to the fake market square". 20:04:35 Or maybe the "pretend-square" is closer. 20:05:06 everyone's waiting for the big "kansasitykseenilläsittävän" translation, man! 20:06:09 -!- oklopol has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:06:15 I hate doing those, my parser always has trouble grokking them; I'll let Deewiant or someone try. 20:06:16 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:06:24 buh it's snowing 20:07:01 kmc, where in the world? 20:07:24 There was a bit of snow here in October; I had before heard in a bus some foreign exchange students talking, and the annoyingest of them had bet money against someone that there wouldn't be any snow in October. 20:07:59 It was very schadenfreudeish that he lost the bet. 20:08:36 since you have snow the rest of the year, why wouldn't there be snow in october? 20:08:48 I need a better mobile music player. There is no single organisation structure that works for my music. Some tracks makes most sense to sort under artist, some under composer, some under album and so on. A few even based on which game they are remixes from. 20:09:07 boston 20:09:13 organize them in directories 20:09:14 fizzie: finnish is your mother language, right? 20:09:30 Eh-heh; but there's been years that haven't had any snow in October, so I was a bit worried. (Uh, the bet was geographically limited to the Helsinki area.) 20:09:35 nooodl_: Yes. 20:09:42 olsner, some I want to access in multiple "views" as it were. Are you suggesting symlinks? 20:10:14 maybe a tag based system would work 20:10:27 haha, i love how you can end up having trouble parsing (long, absurd) words even if you're a native speaker of finish 20:11:01 Vorpal: a while ago I wanted something like that so I built a tag-based system for xmms, but then I finnished it 20:11:12 Vorpal: Organize them based on the first n hex digits of the SHA-3 hash of the file, where n is suitably chosen to get reasonably directory sizes. 20:11:13 olsner, and? 20:11:40 oh wait 20:11:45 that was a pun in the spelling 20:11:47 nooodl_: It could be an invalid word, though; it's having vowel harmony problems, for one thing; that could work in a compound, but the rest of it looks really more like suffixes. 20:12:02 olsner, what actually happened, when you "finnished" it 20:12:13 Vorpal: also, iirc xmms doesn't exist anymore 20:12:40 olsner, also I need this on my android phone 20:13:21 I need something better than trying to scroll through a few hundred composers, performers, artists and so on. Or a few hundred album names for that 20:13:24 for that matter* 20:15:29 http://j.mp/VTxQlv 20:16:17 ion, fancy, what does it mean 20:16:25 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:16:31 "kansa" is "people, folk"; "kansasi" is very valid as "your people"; then it gets more difficult. "kansasitys" (from which "kansasitykseeni" would be a valid derivation) doesn't seem to be meaning anything, and the 'y' conflicts with the 'a's. But I'm not ruling out a creative interpretation could still be found, it's just not looking so good. (Still, "tykseenilläsittävän" doesn't seem to ... 20:16:37 ... parse either; otherwise it could've been a compound of "your people" and that.) 20:16:49 vorpal: The Finnish words that can be formed by combining two weekday abbreviations. :-P 20:17:17 That looks like circo's output. 20:17:34 hmm, you could use that graph to make a weekday rock/paper/scissor/thursday/friday/saturday/sunday game 20:17:50 it might be terribly uneven though 20:17:59 olsner: Nothing beats Friday. :p 20:18:16 is that pe? 20:18:20 Except Friday itself, I guess, but I don't know how that works. 20:18:21 Yes. 20:18:27 (Short for "perjantai".) 20:18:37 maybe if both say pe you throw again 20:18:46 again/up 20:18:55 pepe = puke? 20:18:59 So a game is about both saying "pe" until one of the players gives up? 20:19:05 Pepe is a name. 20:19:12 ion, haha 20:19:21 I suppose that's why the line is dashed? 20:19:30 yeah 20:20:04 if pe is unbeatable that makes the game pretty boring 20:22:11 There are Finnish people (somewhere between 74-77) with the first name Tito, but maybe that's too loan-namey to count. 20:26:22 Is there some kind of "each Wikipedia thing must have an illustrative picture" rule going on? I don't see what else can explain putting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Finnish_vowel_harmony.jpg next to the "Finnish" section on the Vowel harmony article. 20:27:12 H U O M ! 20:27:33 I mean, okay, the sentence contains a reasonable example, but is there some reason it needs a picture of a dirty sign in a bus window? 20:27:53 http://codepad.org/hpZ0TcxQ woah this is kind of "lato"-heavy 20:27:59 fizzie: they need to show people the true horrors of finland 20:28:03 That sign has at least one grammatical error. 20:28:06 Especially of a sign in which someone has left spaces before the !s; that thing has annoyed me incredibly much every time I've seen the sign. 20:28:34 fizzie: again, the true horrors of finland 20:29:31 I wonder what a pram is and how I can make sure its secure placement 20:29:43 olsner: 1. baby buggy, baby carriage, carriage, perambulator, pram, stroller, go-cart, pushchair, pusher -- (a small vehicle with four wheels in which a baby or child is pushed around) 20:30:16 And there are hooks you can use, plus many of them have some brakes in the wheels I believe. Or you could just keep one hand on it. 20:31:42 olsner: (By hooks I mean the black things in http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6uU3PeO0i5I/TFv2wHSBS8I/AAAAAAAAAEk/9T5qW1S8ycQ/s1600/23072010014.jpg that are hanging from the horizontal bar; though personally I don't think I've ever seen anyone use those, except the babies tend to keep whacking them against the wall/other hooks/anything, producing a most irritating noise.) 20:31:51 Especially of a sign in which someone has left spaces before the !s; that thing has annoyed me incredibly much every time I've seen the sign. <-- so what does the sign mean? 20:32:03 Vorpal: There's an English translation in the description there. 20:32:06 ah 20:32:09 I assume that's where olsner got the pram from. 20:32:28 Oh, it doesn't translate the small print. 20:32:39 fizzie, so what does the small print translate to 20:32:40 but the text in the picture was not on a bus? 20:33:03 olsner, uh? it looks like the sign is inside the bus? 20:33:18 Vorpal: the description of the image had a translation btw 20:33:26 olsner, not complete it appears 20:33:29 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: http://programminggames.org). 20:33:43 Vorpal: "An example: A car may unexpectedly rush in front of the bus. In that case, _in order to avoid a collision_, it is necessary to brake suddenly." 20:33:59 oh, it looked like a billboard by a road, but I guess the picture was taken through the bus window? 20:34:42 I think they added that to stop people from complaining so loudly when the bus sometimes does in fact make sudden changes of velocity. 20:35:13 they should just add thicker armor to the buses so they don't have to stop 20:35:57 The sign also looks kinda badly kerned. (E.g. the gap between Ä and V in "YLLÄTTÄVISSÄ".) 20:41:19 A while ago I did my small part to annoy folks-with-children living in this building; they'd been keeping their PRAM at the bottom of the staircase, so I left an anonymous note quoting the law forbidding that, plus the fire department's statistics on how fast smoke from a burning PRAM fills a four-floor stairway (less than two minutes), how large fraction of deaths in fires are due to smoke ... 20:41:25 ... poisoning (two thirds) and how many such left-in-the-stairway PRAMS are vandalistically set aflame every year (about ten in the metropolitan area). 20:41:29 Haven't seen the PRAM since. 20:41:58 In retrospect, they may have misinterpreted the subtext as "this guy's going to set our PRAM on fire" as opposed to "oh, we have a friendly and safety-conscious neighbour". 20:42:34 It got results, and made things more difficult for other people, so I suppose it's a win-win in any case. 20:43:15 (I should've printed out http://www.pelastustoimi.fi/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/sppl07-0.jpg on the note too.) 20:44:33 what is a PRAM and why must it be capitalized 20:44:49 kmc: 1. baby buggy, baby carriage, carriage, perambulator, pram, stroller, go-cart, pushchair, pusher -- (a small vehicle with four wheels in which a baby or child is pushed around) 20:44:56 (I keep saying that thing.) 20:45:07 Possibly it doesn't need to be capitalized. 20:45:25 to what degree were your statistics completely made up 20:45:49 fizzie: you should have zapped their PRAM 20:45:54 They came from the fire department's website. It doesn't cite sources. 20:46:33 you should've just moved it to the garbage room, since it was in the stairway it must be garbage 20:46:33 elliott++ 20:46:45 But the first one, about the time taken for smoke to fill the stairway, they claim to be based on their own experiments. 20:46:48 random note: SwiftKey is an awesome keyboard for a touch screen, almost as fast as typing on a real PC keyboard. 20:46:53 (I don't know if they count that in the last statistic.) 20:49:10 -!- atehwa has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:49:38 so the fire department recognizes prams left in stairways as a particular problem? 20:49:57 -!- atehwa has joined. 20:51:19 In as much as they have a particular page about it, yes. 20:51:23 huh 20:51:41 I suspect it's just that they're the thing most commonly left in stairways, and they burn quite well. 20:54:44 Disclaimer: I've been using "fire department" as a convenient shorthand, but strictly speaking the website that has the page is the "Rescue services in Finland" info-portal of the Department for Rescue Services of the Ministry of the Interior; while the organization that actually ran the smoke experiments was the Helsinki City Rescue Department. 20:55:00 heh 20:56:11 now nobody can sue fizzie 21:00:33 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 21:09:44 For any matter whatsoever; complete immunity. 21:11:08 -!- atriq has joined. 21:18:27 -!- epicmonkey_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 21:26:51 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 21:26:59 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 21:33:17 Aaaargh, Chromium 21:34:14 Any idea why http://wehavenosociallifestuck.tumblr.com/post/35221679526 is working in Firefox but not Chromium, anyone? 21:37:25 emo much 21:38:39 Does saying that help my situation at all? 21:39:26 Probably not, but it's a valid reaction to such a video 21:51:28 -!- augur has joined. 21:52:21 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:57:54 -!- augur has joined. 21:58:06 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:00:08 atriq, Chromium has better taste. 22:01:13 Phantom_Hoover, but one of my friends made that, so I have to watch it! 22:08:11 -!- glogbackup has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 22:13:55 * Sgeo wonders how Conservapedia is handling the election results 22:14:28 I see Conservapedia has unblocked the UK again. 22:14:37 atriq, Chromium knows this; it wants to save you. 22:14:43 "Is this the end of RINO credibility at the top of the Republican Party? In voting for Democrats, Wisconsin and Ohio appear to reject the avoid-the-social-issues approach of Karl Rove and other liberal Republicans." 22:14:58 "Some reasons why Mitt Romney lost.[3] And what this means for America's future. [4] 22:14:58 " 22:15:28 That [3] link: http://www.westernjournalism.com/why-romney-lost/ 22:15:30 -!- nooodl_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 22:15:40 "He didnt want to talk about Obamas associations with Islamists and the Muslim Brotherhood. Romney never wanted to talk about Obamas sketchy past, his fictional birth story, and his possible ineligibility to serve as president." 22:16:34 "Yes, the economy is bad, but there needed to be more. What about Obamas support for infanticide? What about his support for death panels?" 22:16:42 Didn't Obama have more of a claim for eligibility for president than McCain? 22:17:10 "The overly zealous foreign policy of the neoconservative movement is hurting the Republican brand. Americans were worried Romney might get us in another Mideast war." ... uh, wow. I guess not all right-wingers are the same 22:17:22 are you referring to mccain being porn in panama, or... 22:17:39 Yes 22:17:50 McCain was in a porn movie filmed in Panama!? 22:18:01 No 22:18:04 That *is* quite shady. 22:18:06 born*. being born in a military base is fine. 22:18:06 He was porn in panama 22:18:49 When he went to Panama, people got arrested for possessing John McCain of children 22:21:05 we need to make 'john mccain' into the next euphemism for porn 22:29:48 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 22:32:09 the new santorum 22:42:27 -!- boily has quit (Quit: Poulet!). 23:01:09 -!- atriq has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 23:13:50 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 23:35:19 In the sentence "I'll be happy if he eats right now", even though "to eat" is in the present tense, and despite the presence of the phrase "right now", the action referred to by the verb "to eat" is in the future. 23:35:56 depends how you interpret it i guess 23:38:31 -!- ais523 has joined. 23:42:37 hey guys 23:58:31 -!- nooga has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds).