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00:06:16 <Phantom_Hoover> Wow, Adam Savage and Jamie Hyneman once entered Robot Wars and got kicked out for nearly killing the audience.
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00:27:06 <Phantom_Hoover> oh no, MoALTz
00:28:29 <ion> URL?
00:29:06 <pikhq> Phantom_Hoover: Damn right they did.
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00:35:14 <Phantom_Hoover> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blendo
00:35:25 <Phantom_Hoover> i am frankly amazed that nothing else is called that
00:36:43 <Phantom_Hoover> Basically it smashed things up so violently that it was flinging shrapnel over the safety screens.
00:42:02 <kmc> it looks kinda boring but obviously looks are not everything here
00:42:10 <kmc> i mean, it's an upside down wok that spins really fast
00:42:14 <kmc> i can see how that would be tough to beat
00:46:17 <Phantom_Hoover> What footage I could find on YouTube showed it deflecting away most blows that it couldn't just evade.
00:46:17 <ion> Heh, the Blendo story is great.
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00:46:56 <Phantom_Hoover> I do like how it ended up losing because they couldn't win in exchange for withdrawing from the competition any more.
00:50:50 <Phantom_Hoover> kmc, so did you vote for the green rainbow party in the end
00:54:59 <kmc> no
00:55:05 <kmc> i voted for barry o
00:55:29 <Phantom_Hoover> why man
00:55:46 <kmc> feel like a sucker voting 3rd party
00:56:21 <Phantom_Hoover> you said you were a sucker voting at all
00:56:31 <kmc> true
01:03:05 <Phantom_Hoover> "In other top-level domains (TLDs), anyone can register a domain name including the letters "museum". This does not mean they are museums. You will only find genuine museums in .museum!" -- about.museum
01:03:42 <Jafet> How amuseum
01:03:46 <kmc> i'm always getting tricked by fake museums online!
01:03:52 <kmc> how do they define 'museum'
01:15:18 <kmc> shachaf: today I tried to use my TV as a TV and failed
01:15:33 <kmc> merely by flipping through all the channels, I caused them all to become static, even the ones that were working on the first round through
01:20:45 <Phantom_Hoover> i think if i try to watch tv, tv licensing sneak through my window at night and fine me up to a thousand pounds of flesh
01:21:23 <shachaf> kmc: I thought you didn't even own one. :-(
01:21:29 <shachaf> Man, kmc is out of the club.
01:21:38 <kmc> Phantom_Hoover: they have those vans
01:21:57 <kmc> shachaf: well now it's not a TV is it ;P
01:22:16 <kmc> just a very large HDMI monitor that I use to watch TV shows obtained over coax cable
01:22:44 <Phantom_Hoover> http://www.guardian.co.uk/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-22440,00.html
01:22:44 <shachaf> coax pixels out of the wall
01:22:54 <Phantom_Hoover> "Television and radio transmitters broadcast at a frequency that is so high it is unintelligible to the human ear."
01:23:20 <kmc> ...
01:23:35 <Phantom_Hoover> Reading the rest of this I'm fairly sure the guy is taking the piss.
01:23:35 <shachaf> That's a very high frequency, Phantom_Hoover.
01:25:46 <shachaf> Phantom_Hoover: He's just saying things that are so high they're unintelligible to the human mind.
01:31:22 <kmc> hope we don't have another fucking florida recount
01:35:19 <coppro> I think that would be fantastic
01:39:03 <kmc> fucking florida
01:39:44 <copumpkin> I predict landslide victory for ron paul write-ins, across the nation
01:39:48 <copumpkin> mark my words!
01:40:03 <copumpkin> if not ron paul, then fellure
01:40:21 <copumpkin> because the king james bible is the ultimate platform
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01:48:02 <kmc> today i voted to let seriously ill people kill themselves by smoking marijuana while repairing automobiles
01:48:16 <copumpkin> good!
01:48:57 <coppro> kmc: state?
01:49:28 <kmc> massachusetts
01:49:32 <kmc> by the way https://twitter.com/fivethirtynate is the best ever
01:50:17 <SgeoN1> I was considering votingba straight party ticket, but didnt. Still voted for people who i had little information about beyond party though :/
01:50:38 <Gregor> I wanted to make sure my vote was wasted, so I voted straight Green party.
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01:52:57 <ion> kmc: ಠ
01:53:17 <kmc> ion: ꙮ
01:53:26 <ais523> well, it's clear enough why that site is down
01:53:33 <ais523> power cut throughout the whole University
01:53:56 * pikhq voted Dem, Green, Libertarian, and in favor of pot
01:54:06 <SgeoN1> Wish Internet was working.
01:55:04 <ion> I want a Wish Internet, too.
01:55:22 <ais523> pikhq: which state are you in?
01:55:37 <coppro> colorado
01:55:53 <SgeoN1> Id rather vote on referendums than for people. Dont need to do as much prior research
01:55:54 <copumpkin> pikhq: you stoner you!
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01:56:04 <pikhq> ais523: Yeah, I'm in CO.
01:56:11 <pikhq> I neither smoke pot nor ever wish to.
01:56:23 <pikhq> I just don't think that's cause to make it illegal.
01:57:39 <kmc> yeah prohibition harms lots of people who don't partake
01:57:40 <copumpkin> worth trying once
01:57:43 <kmc> whether it's booze or pot
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02:03:53 <ais523> I like the UK's solution with tobacco
02:04:16 <ais523> which was to make it illegal to smoke in many public places, or to advertise its sale, but legal to sell it and to smoke it privately
02:04:51 <Phantom_Hoover> i'm not sure i want another set of people complaining about how they have to go outside to smoke
02:05:27 <kmc> it's increasingly illegal to smoke in public places in the US
02:07:07 <ais523> Phantom_Hoover: well the obvious answer is to stop smoking, then
02:07:10 <Phantom_Hoover> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MToRvo5RExg helpful documentary material for those unfamiliar with the topic
02:07:14 <ais523> kmc: is it illegal to advertise cigarettes?
02:07:34 <Phantom_Hoover> ais523, also now they have those screens in front of cigarette stands
02:09:25 <Phantom_Hoover> so you can't even SEE a packet of cigarettes unless you ask the shopkeeper
02:09:27 <kmc> no
02:10:11 <pikhq> There's restrictions on cigarette advertising here, but it is still *legal*.
02:10:42 <pikhq> IIRC
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02:11:18 <pikhq> Yeah, it's profoundly limited in how it can be done.
02:11:32 <pikhq> “audio advertisements are not permitted to contain any music or sound effects, while video advertisements are limited to static black text on a white background. Any audio soundtrack accompanying a video advertisement is limited to words only, with no music or sound effects.”
02:13:00 <Bike> That sounds pretty amazing, are there any examples on youtube?
02:15:30 <kmc> friend reports "Someone is projecting CNN onto my neighbor's house"
02:20:10 <SgeoN1> Pennsylvania Obama
02:20:36 <kmc> as expected
02:21:24 <SgeoN1> Radio claiming it was a swing state
02:21:29 <kmc> none of the 'actual' swing states have been called yet
02:21:35 <kmc> shrug
02:21:58 <kmc> 538 gave Obama 98.6% in PA
02:22:08 <kmc> Romney made some desparate last-minute ad buys which I guess makes it a swing state
02:22:18 <kmc> but media also has incentive to make things seem close when they aren't
02:22:34 <kmc> hence ignoring that 20 polls together have a smaller margin of error than each poll individually
02:26:37 <SgeoN1> Im stuck on my phone, what does WNYCs map look like, im under the impression that it's fancier than others.
02:28:28 <SgeoN1> Patchwork map thingy
02:28:56 <kmc> it looks like a bunch of tiny boxes of different colors all jumbled up
02:33:31 <SgeoN1> Is Wisconsin swing? I dont remember
02:34:32 <kmc> yes, and it was called for obama just now
02:34:37 <kmc> it's one of NYT's 9 swing states
02:34:59 <kmc> FL OH WI NH IA CO NV VA NC
02:35:04 <kmc> from memory :)
02:35:05 <SgeoN1> 2/9 for Obama.
02:35:16 <kmc> which two?
02:35:26 <SgeoN1> Cool, thanks.
02:35:44 <copumpkin> intrade is now in sync with silver
02:35:50 <SgeoN1> Erm, oops
02:36:04 <kmc> really
02:36:04 <copumpkin> anyone doing the healthcare hedge?
02:36:15 <copumpkin> you can make 10x your money to pay for healthcare if romney wins
02:36:18 <copumpkin> :P
02:36:20 <SgeoN1> Healthcare hedge?
02:36:41 <copumpkin> http://www.intrade.com/v4/markets/contract/?contractId=743474
02:36:43 <copumpkin> just being silly, really
02:36:58 <kmc> haha
02:37:01 <copumpkin> but if you don't want romney to win, maybe betting money on it will sweeten things a bit
02:37:02 <SgeoN1> My gf is, I think, mistakrn about the effectss of the healthcare law.
02:37:16 <copumpkin> what does she think?
02:38:06 <SgeoN1> That if she's in college past 26, and her plan would have kept her insured, 26 is now the limitation due to the law and she'd need a new plan.
02:40:29 <Phantom_Hoover> what *is* this healthcare law anyway
02:40:48 <Phantom_Hoover> does it just, like, force you to buy insurance?
02:42:24 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act
02:43:03 <kmc> it has a bunch of provisions
02:43:37 <kmc> 'PPACA requires insurance companies to cover all applicants and offer the same rates regardless of pre-existing conditions or gender.'
02:43:54 <kmc> 'Dependents (children) will be permitted to remain on their parents' insurance plan until their 26th birthday'
02:44:31 <kmc> also your insurer has to give you a rebate if they spend more than 20% of your premium on administrative costs
02:44:44 <SgeoN1> Which i think she interpreted as "forbidden to remain after 26th birthday"
02:45:42 <ais523> Romney needs to win most of the swing states to win overall, IIRC
02:45:54 <SgeoN1> Oh right, wisconsin and new hampshire
02:46:01 <ais523> and needs to win Florida in particular, because it's worth the most
02:47:55 <kmc> if he loses FL he can win by winning literally all of the others
02:47:56 <kmc> that is the only way
02:48:13 <kmc> but some media have already called WI for Obama
02:48:20 <kmc> and/or NH
02:48:31 <kmc> http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/results/president/scenarios
02:49:43 <ais523> I personally don't think Romney will win without Florida, at least
02:49:59 <ais523> and FL is mindbogglingly close atm
02:50:02 <copumpkin> even if obama wins florida, it'll suck
02:50:07 <copumpkin> cause it'll be ridiculously close
02:50:14 <Phantom_Hoover> wait why is florida so important
02:50:17 <Gregor> GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD, you're talking about the election here, too.
02:50:19 <ais523> Phantom_Hoover: it's worth 29
02:50:21 <Gregor> I CAN'T ESCAPE.
02:50:29 <Phantom_Hoover> oh ok
02:50:31 <Phantom_Hoover> 29 sounds big
02:50:35 <Gregor> Phantom_Hoover: If Obama wins Florida, he wins.
02:50:45 <kmc> not strictly true
02:50:47 <ais523> the value of a state in determining a president is a linear function of the population
02:50:53 <ais523> like, it's some fraction of the population, plus a constant
02:50:57 <kmc> that's not linear
02:50:57 <Gregor> kmc: Romney would have to win literally every other swing state.
02:50:59 <ais523> with some rounding applied, too
02:51:03 <Gregor> And some have already been called for Obama.
02:51:03 <ais523> kmc: well, affine
02:51:20 <ais523> it's not proportional, at least
02:51:41 <kmc> WI and NH have already been called for Obama by some media... if he gets OH too then Romney cannot win
02:51:46 <kmc> and he's well ahead in OH count so far
02:51:56 <kmc> except... they can still tie under that scenario
02:51:58 <ais523> yeah, OH for Obama seems likely
02:52:13 <ais523> kmc: the BBC asked a bunch of their journalists for predictions
02:52:15 <ais523> one of them predicted a tie
02:52:23 <SgeoN1> What if what was considered a safe Obama state toes Romney
02:52:27 <SgeoN1> Goes
02:52:33 <ais523> and a tie gives Romney/Biden, right?
02:52:45 <kmc> it is thought
02:52:46 <Gregor> SgeoN1: Depends on the state. If California went Romney, Romney would win. But that's nutty.
02:52:51 <ais523> BBC just called NH for Obama
02:52:51 <Gregor> ais523: Likely.
02:53:05 <copumpkin> you can get 20x on romney now
02:53:09 <kmc> "what happens" is "an unprecedented constitutional clusterfuck"
02:53:14 <Gregor> ais523: The Republican house would choose the president, and the Democratic senate would choose the vice, so yeah, Romney/Biden.
02:53:29 <kmc> the secret to this whole government thing is, everyone is making up the rules as they go
02:53:46 <ais523> Gregor: well republican house and democratic senate isn't /guaranteed/ yet, but it seems very likely
02:53:47 <kmc> i don't think the outcome of this completely unprecdented vote in the Congress is pre-ordained
02:53:47 <SgeoN1> Kmc, you should play nomic
02:53:59 <ais523> kmc: yeah, we have unprecedented constitutional clusterfucks for fun
02:54:05 <Gregor> ais523: Right, yeah, but since that's the only reason for Romney/Biden... :)
02:54:16 <kmc> if there were an EV tie with a clear PV margin for one candidate, some people might vote against party in the interests of Democracy (ha ha ha ha ha)
02:54:32 <kmc> or there might be, like, riots in the street
02:54:34 <kmc> who the fuck knows
02:54:45 <ais523> kmc: I've been wondering about the chance of electoral vote against party
02:54:47 <kmc> americans are mostly too lazy to riot though
02:54:49 <Gregor> kmc: Nice theory.
02:54:57 <kmc> yes that's true, some electors could also change their votes
02:55:01 <ais523> I think that both D and R have easily enough control over their electors, though
02:55:07 <kmc> depending on the state they're from, they might face criminal penalties
02:55:17 <ais523> like, if you're D or R, you're going to pick your most diehard fans ever as the electors
02:55:25 <kmc> but would you be willing to go to jail to singlehandedly decide the presidential election?
02:55:50 <ais523> kmc: some people would, but I doubt they'd go to jail to singlehandedly decide it in favour of their political opponents
02:56:45 <kmc> political allegiences can shift quickly...
02:56:53 <kmc> the Republican Party is barely holding together as is
02:57:06 <kmc> the extremists are running the moderates out of town and have doomed the party
02:57:16 <Gregor> kmc: Nice theory.
02:57:18 <kmc> i could totally see a spite vote by a moderate republican elector
02:57:28 <kmc> i mean this is in the realm of extremely unlikely hypotheticals
02:58:22 <ais523> the BBC thinks that the parties have moved further apart than before, particularly in the House of Representatives
02:58:32 <ais523> as in, they're predicting it will have fewer moderates than it used to
02:58:45 <ais523> although, US "moderate" = rest of the world "mindboggingly extreme right wing"
02:59:01 <kmc> yep
02:59:55 <kmc> my theory is that the Republican Party will evaporate over the next decade, due to inability to get anyone other than angry old white men to vote for them
03:00:12 <pikhq> US "bleeding heart liberal" = rest of the world "right-leaning moderate", no?
03:00:21 <kmc> then maybe the Dems can have a legitimate challenge to the left
03:00:22 <pikhq> kmc: Seems like it.
03:00:28 <kmc> pikhq: i think that's a bit of an overstatement
03:00:37 <pikhq> Eh, probably.
03:00:39 <Bike> what's the electoral pull of the BNP?
03:00:45 <kmc> the most left-leaning members of congress would still be solidly on the left side of the European spectrum
03:00:53 <SgeoN1> I have a friend who i think i would describe as religious fundamentalist. She's not an old man.
03:01:04 <pikhq> SgeoN1: She's a notable minority.
03:01:07 <Bike> plus there's that whole nastiness in hungary. eugh.
03:01:10 <kmc> in european terms we have a center-right party and an extreme right party. but some members of the former are pretty left-leaning
03:01:35 <Phantom_Hoover> is pikhq claiming that all religious fundamentalists are old men or something
03:01:37 <kmc> Bike: yeah there are extreme right anti-immigrant etc. parties all over europe :/
03:01:46 <pikhq> Phantom_Hoover: Nah, just that most of them are.
03:01:50 <Bike> but I mean, how much support do they have?
03:02:12 <Bike> I keep hearing about them, but I don't know if they're just on par with the Prohibition Party or what
03:02:19 <Phantom_Hoover> kmc, it's at that point that it breaks down though.
03:02:33 <ais523> pikhq: for the US versus rest of the world theory: David Cameron brought in a "big society" thing in the UK where neighbourhoods were encouraged to solve their own problems on a local level
03:02:40 <ais523> this was considered a particularly right-wing policy
03:02:57 <pikhq> ... *Right* wing?
03:03:04 <ais523> some American on the news used a very similar policy as an example of what they liked about the left wing in the US
03:03:05 <ais523> pikhq: yeah
03:03:17 <Phantom_Hoover> FSVO right-wing
03:03:18 <pikhq> Yeah, that's really a solid Dem thing.
03:03:32 <Phantom_Hoover> it was right-wing policy being dressed up as left-wing, basically
03:03:39 <ais523> that's an example of the gulf between the US and UK in terms of political position, really
03:04:16 <Phantom_Hoover> The last election had a pretty surreal element of all the parties pretending to be the real leftists
03:04:18 <kmc> also yay the democrat i voted for for senate has won :)
03:04:50 <ais523> Phantom_Hoover: yeah, although it's worth noting that the parties are back where they're meant to be
03:05:01 <ais523> I'm pretty sure Labour was to the right of the Conservatives during the Blair years
03:05:08 <ais523> but the Conservatives are definitely the rightmost at the moment
03:05:45 <copumpkin> I wonder what romney's up to
03:06:33 <ais523> he was campaigning earlier, but surely he's stopped by now
03:06:44 <ais523> eventually we'll reach the point where people campaign the day after the election
03:06:46 <ais523> but it hasn't happened yet
03:07:04 <kmc> "victory" party in Boston
03:07:16 <kmc> ais523: well they already send out fliers telling people to vote the day after the election
03:07:30 <kmc> something to the effect of "due to a recent law, all black people now vote on wednesday"
03:07:33 <kmc> common tactic
03:07:55 <Phantom_Hoover> are you fucking serious
03:08:18 <kmc> yep
03:08:28 <SgeoN1> Isnt thst an old urban legend?
03:09:23 <SgeoN1> That yep is incredibly ambiguous
03:10:25 <copumpkin> http://www.boston.com/businessupdates/2012/11/06/private-jets-line-logan-romney-backers-arrive-boston/2Ol3ROMXhLU5Ppd2NOPDMN/story.html
03:10:32 <kmc> http://current.com/groups/news-blog/93951496_tracking-voter-suppression-efforts-across-the-country.htm
03:10:35 <kmc> 'Robocalls made to Democrats have informed voters that due to Hurricane Sandy, the election has been moved to Wednesday, Nov. 7.'
03:11:04 <copumpkin> http://holliston-hopkinton.patch.com/articles/robo-call-says-election-is-wednesday
03:11:11 <kmc> of course, this is just an allegation from some random person
03:11:16 <kmc> the way these things are done, it is very hard to prove
03:12:42 <copumpkin> CA closes at 11 eastern, right?
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03:23:37 <ais523> kmc: there's at least one confirmed case this year where Republicans admitted putting the wrong election date on robocalls
03:23:40 <ais523> they said it was a mistake
03:24:56 <kmc> Todd Akin was defeated
03:24:58 <kmc> Missouri voters had a way of shutting him down :)
03:25:26 <pikhq> He pissed a bunch of people off there.
03:25:44 <Phantom_Hoover> what did he do
03:26:02 <pikhq> Legitimate rape.
03:26:21 <pikhq> He said that women who are actually raped don't get pregnat.
03:26:24 <pikhq> Pregnant
03:26:36 <kmc> "First of all, from what I understand from doctors, [pregnancy from rape is] really rare. If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down."
03:26:50 <kmc> it turns out that old white men are not actually experts on women's bodies!
03:26:55 <kmc> except for Ron Paul of course
03:27:08 <ais523> it's a worrying statement because I can believe that there are people who could believe that
03:27:16 <kmc> yes a lot of people believe it
03:27:27 <kmc> it may have even been the majority view in the 1800s
03:27:30 <Phantom_Hoover> kmc, well unless they're gynaecologists
03:27:34 <kmc> that is where the republican party is on women's issues
03:27:48 <kmc> Phantom_Hoover: that's why I said "except for Ron Paul"
03:27:50 <ais523> Phantom_Hoover: does knowing about vaginas make you an expert on wombs?
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03:28:02 <kmc> he needs to get endorsements from people who he delivered
03:28:15 <Phantom_Hoover> ais523, uh
03:28:22 <Phantom_Hoover> i'm not sure you understand what gynaecology is
03:29:06 <Phantom_Hoover> it deals with the entire female reproductive system
03:30:29 <Gregor> Phantom_Hoover: Ron Paul was actually a gynecologist before he was a politician.
03:30:32 <Gregor> Legit.
03:30:59 <ais523> Phantom_Hoover: ah, OK
03:32:02 <Phantom_Hoover> anyway
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03:32:18 <Phantom_Hoover> (note to self, finish installing linux and enable compose key so i can do that properly)
03:32:22 <pikhq> Looks like we're getting legal marijuana in CO
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03:32:54 <Bike> how does that interact with it still being schedule I federally, exactly
03:33:13 <kmc> http://brainwrap.com/various/gop_rape_advisory_megachart.gif
03:33:17 <kmc> Bike: poorly
03:33:45 <kmc> it will hinge on whether Obama (or Romney, lol) directs the federales to lay off or not
03:34:14 <kmc> so far they have been hassling medical mj sellers in CA etc a little bit, but not enough to shut down the program
03:34:27 <kmc> remains to be seen how they will deal with explicitly recreational use
03:36:44 <ais523> is the federal government allowed to enforce drug laws?
03:36:53 <ais523> I guess they could just decide to put a really really large federal tax on drugs
03:37:03 <ais523> sufficiently high that nobody could pay it
03:37:38 <kmc> ais523: didn't you hear, growing pot in your own backyard and smoking it yourself in your own house is interstate commerce
03:37:42 <kmc> seriously
03:37:51 <pikhq> ais523: They can enforce it directly, *but* it would be insanely hard and politically unviable to do so.
03:37:56 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzales_v._Raich
03:38:02 <pikhq> They would literally have to send in the FBI at great expense
03:38:12 <pikhq> And it'd make the states rights people go *nuts*.
03:38:14 <kmc> there is actually non-drug precedent for this... local price controls on crops during the Great Depression or something
03:38:15 <ais523> kmc: that makes no sense
03:38:19 <kmc> pikhq: FBI or DEA
03:38:23 <ais523> that being interstate commerce, that is
03:38:34 <kmc> they can also do things like, withold federal assistance money from the states that legalize mj
03:38:39 <pikhq> ais523: "interstate commerce" is now the root password to the Constitution.
03:38:39 <kmc> ais523: yep it is,
03:38:45 <ais523> it was a bit of a surprise when the supreme court ruled that obama's healthcare changes weren't interstate commerce
03:38:53 <ais523> but they also ruled that they were legal as a federal tax
03:38:54 <kmc> no i thought they ruled it's a legal tax
03:38:55 <kmc> right
03:38:59 <kmc> yes
03:39:15 <ais523> the funny thing is, lots of journalists saw the "not interstate commerce" bit and announced the verdict wrongly
03:39:26 <kmc> to be fair, I'm not sure we need or want federalism anymore... but I wish we could switch over sanely rather than inventing these ridiculous loopholes
03:39:33 <ais523> the people who read the whole decision were a bit slower
03:39:49 <kmc> i think federalism went out the window when the federal government had to spend about 100 years repeatedly forcing the south to stop treating black people as farm equipment
03:40:33 <pikhq> Yeah, that's when we killed it.
03:40:36 <ais523> "they came for the slaveowners, and I didn't speak up, because I wasn't a slaveowner"?
03:40:39 <kmc> likewise, i think abortion should be legal but i think the SCOTUS argument in Roe v. Wade is pretty ridiculous as law goes
03:40:58 <kmc> we should just get a non-braindead government and pass a law saying abortion is legal and the states can suck it
03:41:08 <kmc> but, that's not how it works.
03:41:36 <pikhq> SCOTUS is kinda hacking the everloving crap out of the US legal system.
03:42:24 <ion> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:YoungWomanInTubeTop.jpg#filehistory
03:42:46 <kmc> c.c
03:45:29 <ais523> kmc: let's pass two laws, one saying it's legal, the other saying it's illegal
03:45:46 <kmc> yeah
03:45:48 <ais523> keep everyone happy
03:45:53 <kmc> that happens all the time :/
03:47:35 <ion> http://i.imgur.com/jluYz.jpg http://i.imgur.com/rxDvM.jpg
03:47:53 <kmc> awwww
03:51:02 <copumpkin> http://www.craigboyce.com/w/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/F_Word_OK-010.jpg
03:51:28 <copumpkin> luckily they were rescued after that
03:53:06 <kmc> in NV you can vote "None"
03:53:26 <Bike> is that different from not voting
03:54:20 <kmc> it sends a stronger message
03:54:40 <kmc> "i got my ass to the polling place just to tell you all how much i hate these two candidates"
03:54:49 <kmc> i don't know if it has any other effect
03:55:29 <kmc> maybe if "None" gets a plurality of the vote then Nevada's electoral votes abstain ;P
03:57:17 <copumpkin> vote :: Maybe (Either Obama Romney) -> IO ()
03:57:31 <copumpkin> vote _ = return ()
03:57:44 <kmc> ^---- experimental voting machine software
03:57:51 <kmc> but it's in Haskell so it's provably correct ;)
03:57:56 <copumpkin> yeah!
03:57:58 <copumpkin> no bias!
03:58:13 <ion> unsafeModifyVotes
03:58:35 <kmc> you know this would be a great way to rig the voting machines
03:58:45 <kmc> don't add bias, just make the ones in certain neighborhoods less reliable
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04:02:24 <SgeoN1> I thonk it's time to jump ship from AndroIRC back to AndIRC
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04:09:30 <ais523> kmc: there was a story a while back about machines being recalibrated because they were recording votes incorrectly…
04:09:46 <ais523> the only thing I can think of is touchscreens being miscalibrated so you have to press in the wrong place for the vote to be recorded
04:13:28 <kmc> heh
04:14:46 <kmc> NBC has called it for Obama
04:14:49 <kmc> he takes OH and the election
04:16:20 <pikhq> CBS did as well.
04:17:00 <copumpkin> Fox called OH for obama
04:17:27 <copumpkin> FL looks kinda likely, but painfully close
04:18:03 <copumpkin> if you want, you can make 66x your investment on intrade now if romney wins
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04:20:38 <kmc> CNN as well
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04:23:35 <copumpkin> kmc: wanna crash mitt's party? :D
04:24:17 <SgeoN1> Romney currently winning popular vote.
04:24:30 <pikhq> SgeoN1: Don't mean jack
04:24:59 <ais523> BBC has called it for Obama, too
04:25:03 <SgeoN1> Means can't really convince people it's large.
04:25:17 <ais523> again as a response of calling Ohio
04:25:19 <kmc> haha
04:25:19 <SgeoN1> But also means people will take notice of electoral college.
04:25:22 <ais523> was Obama getting Ohio unexpected?
04:25:26 <kmc> PV does matter for meta-game reasons, yes
04:25:34 <kmc> ais523: no, he was the favorite on 538 etc.
04:25:51 <kmc> 538 put the odds he wins OH about the same as the odds he wins the election (~ 90%)
04:26:31 <pikhq> Thus far, 538 matches the electoral one.
04:26:52 <coppro> pikhq: congratulations. For four more years, your government will be an
04:27:02 * coppro sunglasses
04:27:03 <coppro> Obama-nation
04:27:49 <coppro> pikhq: 538 appears to be wrong about VA
04:27:56 <pikhq> Mmm.
04:28:00 <kmc> green-rainbow got 1% in MA
04:28:14 <coppro> Gary Johnson is pushing 1% of the overall popular vote
04:28:25 <coppro> you amurricans and your ridiculous election system
04:28:31 <kmc> don't think anyone has called VA yet, and some heavily dem-leaning counties are underrepresented in the existing count
04:29:38 <pikhq> "I grasp from the beak of a silver dove a laurel wreath of finely-wrought permutations. The Signal has come at last."
04:30:02 <kmc> in fact obama is ahead in VA again
04:30:10 <kmc> according to CNN
04:31:16 <copumpkin> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKUOB8MN4Kc
04:32:15 <copumpkin> kmc: according to fox too
04:32:26 <copumpkin> maybe silver will be spot on after all
04:33:16 <kmc> that would be cool
04:33:19 <kmc> us nerds gotta stick together
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04:35:20 <copumpkin> lol
04:35:22 <coppro> pikhq: apparently cannabis is to be legalized in your state
04:35:22 <coppro> hicks
04:35:29 <pikhq> Yup.
04:35:35 <copumpkin> pikhq: can you mail me a bag o' weed?
04:35:38 <copumpkin> kthx
04:35:47 <coppro> although it's too early to be sure
04:35:52 <kmc> which state
04:35:53 <copumpkin> mail me one anyway
04:35:58 <coppro> kmc: colorado
04:36:04 <kmc> oh yeah, cool
04:36:07 <coppro> washington also appears likely to legalize
04:36:09 <coppro> not oregon though
04:36:13 <kmc> wonder if la dea will intervene
04:36:23 <coppro> and same-sex marriage will remain illegal in washington :(
04:36:28 <pikhq> D:
04:36:43 <Bike> shit, really?
04:36:52 * pikhq wants to be permitted to marry the set of people he could find himself in a relationship with!
04:37:06 <coppro> 54.0% against the ballot with one third of the polls reporting
04:37:35 <coppro> and new hampshire is... banning income tax
04:37:45 <Bike> what?
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04:38:03 <kmc> haha
04:39:17 <copumpkin> coppro: it already had none
04:39:33 <copumpkin> was very beneficial to me when I was making pittance as a grad student
04:40:04 <Sgeo> "Obama Projected as Winner, Romney
04:40:04 <Sgeo> Campaign Not Yet Ready to Concede"
04:40:13 <Sgeo> (According to Fox News website)
04:40:25 <coppro> haha
04:40:36 <kmc> yeah
04:40:41 <kmc> recount time!
04:41:04 <Sgeo> PV evening out
04:41:31 <Bike> coppro: you happen to have a link for the marriage thing?
04:41:42 <coppro> Bike: huffington post
04:41:46 <Bike> thanks
04:41:55 <coppro> oh wait, they don't have the numbers yet
04:42:00 <coppro> I was looking on another site previously
04:42:07 <coppro> closed it since huffpo does it much better
04:42:15 <Sgeo> I'm tempted to put FOX 5 on TV
04:42:46 <coppro> pikhq: oh good
04:42:52 <pikhq> ?
04:43:02 <coppro> pikhq: your state is proving sane by attempting to prohibit corporate political expense
04:43:08 <pikhq> Ah. Right, yes.
04:43:52 <coppro> and michigan wants a bridge!
04:43:53 <coppro> hooray!
04:44:55 <coppro> pikhq: Not only that, but the margin is strong enough to send a clear message to politicians that this is a good route to pursue
04:45:24 <pikhq> Whooo
04:45:30 <Sgeo> Romney didn't write his concession speech
04:45:41 <coppro> pikhq: even though it is technically non-binding
04:45:52 <coppro> hmm
04:45:57 <pikhq> CO passes legalized marijuana
04:46:02 <pikhq> Whooo baby
04:46:17 <coppro> maybe we should rename ##parliament to ##governance
04:46:29 <coppro> it would be good to discuss things like referenda there
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04:47:21 <kmc> pikhq: well, I know where I'm going next April :D
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04:48:32 <coppro> what the flying fuck
04:48:40 <coppro> alabama's ballot measures are insane
04:48:53 <kmc> did they declare that gay people are a type of tree or something
04:48:58 <pikhq> Alabama has the world's largest Constitution. What do you expect?
04:49:10 <kmc> yeah there are parking ordinances in the constitution
04:49:18 <coppro> pikhq: Do they actually?
04:49:42 <pikhq> Yes.
04:49:49 <pikhq> At 340 kilowords.
04:49:55 <coppro> yeah we should move to ##government or ##government
04:50:21 <coppro> hey, one of Alabama's amendments is actually a sane law
04:50:35 <coppro> allowing union votes to be by secret ballot
04:50:44 <coppro> now why the fuck that needs a constitutional amendment, I do not know
04:51:28 <coppro> what the
04:51:29 <coppro> http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Alabama_Lawrence_County_Amendment,_Amendment_11_(2012)
04:51:58 <coppro> *whyyyyyy*
04:52:30 <coppro> pikhq: oh hey
04:52:39 <coppro> huffpo is reporting that same sex marriage has the lead in washington
04:52:46 <pikhq> Awesome.
04:55:50 <kmc> yay
04:56:25 <Sgeo> Matthew Shepard seems angry at .. government, for gridlock and not listening to the people
04:56:59 <coppro> Main also
04:57:02 <coppro> *Maine
04:57:41 <coppro> it has a slight lead in Maryland
04:58:08 <coppro> and Maryland has also apparently ensured that illegal immigrants get resident tuition
04:59:28 <ais523> coppro: your link is slashdotted, what does it lead to?
04:59:33 <ais523> when it's working?
04:59:33 <kmc> it will be exciting to see how the federal govt reacts to CO marijuana legalization
04:59:44 <pikhq> And WA (I think it's passing?)
04:59:58 <coppro> ais523: it works intermittently
05:00:16 <coppro> pikhq: yeah, it appears to be
05:00:18 <ais523> yeah but mashing refresh is only going to make the slashdotting worse
05:00:30 <coppro> oh, MN is also in favour of same-sex marriage
05:00:33 <coppro> you guys are finally coming round :P
05:00:54 <pikhq> Gay orgy time
05:01:00 <kmc> "As of July 2011, the city of Denver counted more medical marijuana dispensaries than Starbucks franchises."
05:01:33 <Sgeo> I wish I was watching Hannity. Watch his tears. Shepard is being too reasonable.
05:01:40 <kmc> i wonder how many of the Medical Marijuana stores will convert to selling Fun Marijuana
05:02:32 <Sgeo> https://twitter.com/seanhannity
05:02:42 <coppro> ais523: anyway, the link provides that no municipality located wholly outside Lawrence County can impose any form of ordnance on the areas inside the intersection of its police jurisdiction and Lawrence County
05:02:43 <Sgeo> I love how he tweets each Romney win and none of the Obama ones
05:02:44 <ais523> coppro: OK, loaded it: so that amendment is basically leaving a county to live by itself
05:02:46 <coppro> http://www.ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Montana_Corporate_Contributions_Initiative,_I-166_(2012)
05:02:51 <Sgeo> Except for the one about not gloating
05:02:58 <ais523> no fire service from outside, etc
05:02:59 <coppro> ais523: yes. And this was submitted to the voters.
05:03:09 <ais523> of everywhere, or just lawrence county?
05:03:13 <coppro> just the one county
05:03:20 <ais523> and, hmm
05:03:27 <ais523> does alabama know what "constitution" means?
05:03:34 <kmc> Sgeo: fair and balanced
05:03:34 <Sgeo> Ok, Glenn Beck's twitter is almost funny
05:03:36 <coppro> I'm not convinced
05:03:45 <Sgeo> Asking who 2nd term Obama will blame the economy on
05:04:01 <ais523> romney, obviously :)
05:05:58 <kmc> a fair question
05:06:30 <kmc> president gets too much credit for the economy either way
05:07:31 <Sgeo> I don't think Romney's going to run again. This lack of a concession speech has to be embarrassing.
05:08:08 <Sgeo> Is Matthew Shepard a Democrat? He's sounding like one.
05:08:31 <Sgeo> Wait, am I mixing up names again?
05:08:35 <Sgeo> Shepard Smith?
05:08:47 <Sgeo> ....I have no idea who I'm watching, except the name "Shep"
05:09:02 <Sgeo> Shepard Smith
05:09:04 <Sgeo> I feel like a derp
05:09:38 <Sgeo> ....I was using the name of a murdered kid.
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05:11:27 <Bike> that makes the last five minutes make a /lot/ more sense
05:13:23 <kmc> dongs
05:15:26 <Sgeo> http://www.fark.com/comments/7420987/Woman-briefly-barred-from-voting-for-wearing-a-MIT-t-shirt
05:16:00 <kmc> fart dot com
05:16:24 <copumpkin> trump threw a tantrum on twitter
05:16:45 <kmc> hilarious
05:17:29 <kmc> what a classy gentleman
05:17:53 <copumpkin> he's someone I wish would just disappear
05:18:01 <copumpkin> but that won't happen because he has a lot of money and a big ego
05:18:08 <Bike> "The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy." yes good
05:18:12 <copumpkin> even though he doesn't really have much of a role anywhere
05:18:22 <Sgeo> "The electoral college is a disaster for a democracy."
05:18:23 <coppro> and south dakota has decided that the state must balance its budget
05:18:29 <Sgeo> Oh
05:19:05 <ais523> coppro: do you think it /will/?
05:21:57 <coppro> ais523: It won't have a choice
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05:26:59 <Sgeo> Does the Romney campaign still believe it could win?
05:27:06 <pikhq> I guess?
05:27:25 <coppro> Sgeo: what state are you in, again?
05:27:30 <Sgeo> NY
05:27:45 <Sgeo> Maybe Romney's just being a dick to Obama
05:28:34 <pikhq> Even *Fox News* is calling it for Obama.
05:29:20 <Sgeo> I think I like Shepard Smith now
05:32:23 <kmc> at this point Obama wins without FL, OH, *or* VA
05:32:34 <kmc> they are just icing on a nate silver shaped cake
05:34:08 <pikhq> At this point it's fair to say Nate Silver is a victor.
05:37:07 <Sgeo> I wish it was more of a PV landslide
05:37:09 <kmc> this time around there were a few other people running quantitavite models
05:37:49 <kmc> i think at this point, election-running and political advertising are such a precise science that we won't get huge landslides
05:38:06 <kmc> both parties can find and appeal to the median voter with pinpoint accuracy
05:39:46 <pikhq> Until such time that someone goes crazy and shits on a baby.
05:40:22 <kmc> but they could capture that elusive baby-shitter demographic
05:40:37 <kmc> we may get some landslides as the Republican Party implodes over the next decade
05:40:48 <kmc> or some interesting 3-way races
05:41:04 <kmc> GOP extremist vs Democrat vs semi-credible progressive challenger
05:41:38 <kmc> "Mr. Obama’s coalition included support from blacks, Hispanics, women, those under 30, those in unions, gay men and lesbians and Jews."
05:41:47 <kmc> i.e. everyone other than angry old white men
05:42:09 <Sgeo> I'd feel better about Obama's victory if he wins the PV
05:43:12 <kmc> shrug
05:43:30 <kmc> a split outcome might be good in the long run, as far as bipartisan support for electoral college reform
05:43:52 <coppro> overturn citizens goddamn united, first
05:44:31 <kmc> i have mixed feelings about citizens united
05:44:40 <kmc> maybe they should wait until i am not drunk
05:45:27 <coppro> also, better prepare your flags
05:45:49 <kmc> airing a documentary against an incumbent politician is unquestionably the kind of thing the first amendment should protect
05:45:53 <kmc> money is needed to be heard on the airwaves
05:45:57 <kmc> it's not about "money is speech"
05:46:06 <kmc> it's about "restricting money restricts speech"
05:46:07 <coppro> it looks like you might need a nother star
05:46:10 <coppro> *another star
05:46:55 <kmc> for puerto rico?
05:47:22 <pikhq> Yup
05:47:30 <copumpkin> so after trump threw his tantrum about the electoral college, it looks like obama will win that too, by a small margin
05:48:31 <kmc> the popular vote you mean?
05:48:40 <kmc> PR's thing is nonbinding though i think
05:48:44 <copumpkin> I mean yeah
05:48:46 <kmc> so it will be years of gridlock before anything happens
05:49:15 <coppro> kmc: It seems reasonably definitive, though
05:49:34 <coppro> a majority voted in favour of the relationship and statehood is overwhelmingly preferred as the new system
05:49:53 <pikhq> The major issue that was preventing it in the past was Puerto Rico didn't want statehood.
05:49:55 <coppro> ^
05:50:08 <coppro> The biggest obstacle will be a constitution
05:50:19 <coppro> even the morons in modern congress shouldn't have trouble approving things
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05:55:07 <Sgeo> http://xkcd.com/1131/
05:55:53 <Sgeo> Romney making concession speech
06:04:43 <Sgeo> http://www.palinaspresident.us/barack/
06:06:08 <Bike> I've heard better autotuning...
06:06:44 <Sgeo> I think that page may have unduly affected my mind
06:06:47 <coppro> haha
06:08:01 <pikhq> Appears we've got a good deal of same-sex marriage stuff passed, too.
06:08:36 <Bike> gay weed is law in washington. sp
06:08:52 <Bike> *so's charter schools and university not investing in stocks, but nobody cares probably
06:08:56 <pikhq> And multiple openly gay members of Congress.
06:09:20 <pikhq> First lesbian Senator...
06:09:21 <Sgeo> 303-203 does that count as a landslide, or does landslide rely on strong PV?
06:09:57 <Sgeo> Can you get an electoral landslide while losing the PV?
06:11:05 <coppro> Depends
06:11:17 <coppro> I think it is judged by how close it "felt"
06:11:41 <coppro> Bike: Yo, are you interested in how government works?
06:11:55 <Bike> sure, why not
06:14:28 <Sgeo> Ugh, my rep. won :(
06:15:00 <coppro> Bike: ##parliament
06:15:04 <Bike> ah
06:22:44 <Gregor> Sgeo: Technically, Obama could still lose the PV. It's not very likely.
06:22:51 <Gregor> Sgeo: But he's assuredly won an electoral landslide.
06:23:31 <Sgeo> Will people consider it a landslide for purposes of whether or not Obama has a "mandate"?
06:25:29 <Gregor> I don't think that has a useful meaning.
06:25:46 <coppro> ^
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06:26:53 <pikhq> Sgeo: Obama does not have a mandate. Reason, the GOP exists.
06:34:34 <StormTwo> I want to cum
06:34:48 <StormTwo> eject semen/sperm
06:35:09 <pikhq> This is not a particularly erotic place.
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06:35:25 <pikhq> Most discussions of sex here are in the abstract. And it's not one of our typical topics.
06:38:04 <StormThree> =========D ---
06:39:05 <StormThree> www.xhamster.am
06:39:09 <Gregor> I'm so glad you defined "cum" for us. We don't live on the Internet, so we wouldn't otherwise know what that means.
06:39:35 <pikhq> hai, tinntinn sìȳa. tèmo, soriȳa hàka nn sìȳa 'te.
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07:23:31 <Sgeo> I think my life story is me moving from being somewhat right-wing to very left-wing
07:24:08 <pikhq> I know that.
07:25:12 <Sgeo> When I was a kid, I wanted some information on time-zone stuff. There was a website that had the information I was looking for.
07:25:29 <Sgeo> However, it was part of a GLBT website/group, so I refused to look at it.
07:25:54 <Sgeo> Eventually got the information I was looking for ... when I clicked another sort of link to that same page such that I didn't realize what site I went on.
07:27:10 * pikhq groks
07:27:30 <Bike> pff.
07:29:54 <pikhq> Sgeo: I've been on a freaking mission trip to a third-world country.
07:29:56 <pikhq> Look at me now.
07:30:40 <Sgeo> pikhq, o.O
07:31:21 <Sgeo> I guess I was never ... that religious. Even when I believed in God, I would get ticked off at leaving candles burn, because I felt God valued our safety over religious rituals.
07:31:35 <pikhq> I was profoundly religious when I was younger.
07:31:38 <Sgeo> Although, I should note that I grew up Reformed Jewish.
07:31:39 <pikhq> That faded as I learned more.
07:33:14 <pikhq> Aaaand now I'm out as bi and an atheist.
07:34:51 <Bike> bialetheism
07:34:56 <Sgeo> I used to have a "make all drugs illegal" mindset. I am now in favor of legalization of some drugs.
07:35:08 <Sgeo> Just posted a lengthy Facebook status about it >.>
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07:42:38 <Sgeo> I can't help but wonder if my supporting marijuana legalization now, as opposed to sooner (in which I officially considered myself on the fence, I think), is because of an authotarian streak I think I have
07:42:53 <Bike> http://twitter.com/republicantears
07:43:04 <Sgeo> It's (somewhat) legal in one of the states now, therefore it's ok for me to support it.
07:43:16 <Sgeo> I tend to feel uneasy breaking rules.
07:46:39 <Bike> I'm still not clear on how that works. Is it like, I'll walk by a marijuana store, and then they spot some ATF agents and run for it?
07:48:58 * Sgeo has no idea
07:50:17 <Bike> more likely nothing will actually change until the feds do, I suppose
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07:56:06 <fizzie> Re-public ant ears.
08:27:03 <pikhq> Sgeo: Have you considered having an antiauthoritarian streak?
08:28:28 <Sgeo> It does occur to me that there are some rules I feel no guilt about violating
08:28:43 <Sgeo> Age restrictions (joined a 13+ chat when I was 12 and an 18+ chat when I was 17)
08:28:52 <Bike> haha, you rebel
08:29:41 <shachaf> How old are you now?
08:29:57 <Sgeo> Old enough that I don't think there are any more age restrictions.
08:30:10 <shachaf> I bet there are.
08:30:16 <Bike> do you like about your age to get senior discounts?
08:30:26 <shachaf> This is a 22+ chat, Sgeo.
08:31:03 <Sgeo> I didn't say "barely" old enough.
08:31:24 <shachaf> Actually it's a 25+ chat.
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08:35:47 <fizzie> Finland has a minimum age restriction of 30 for a vasectomy. (Trivia fact for today.)
08:37:35 <fizzie> (30 years, that is.)
08:37:41 <fizzie> Also I think I've heard something about bars with age limits up to 28+, though I haven't seen anything more than something like 24+.
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13:55:10 <elliott> 01:48:02: <kmc> today i voted to let seriously ill people kill themselves by smoking marijuana while repairing automobiles
13:55:16 <elliott> kmc: #1 way to die???
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15:51:38 <kmc> "That said, federal law still says marijuana is an illegal drug, so don't break out the Cheetos or Goldfish too quickly." -- CO Gov. John Hickenlooper
15:52:03 <coppro> beautirful
15:52:17 <coppro> I also like that he's accepting the decision
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15:54:23 <kmc> doesn't have a choice does he?
15:55:28 <coppro> kmc: Your nation's government doesn't always seem to think that way
15:55:41 <kmc> sure
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15:56:35 <kmc> this guy was mayor of denver when they legalized pot on a city basis
15:56:49 <kmc> and he opposed it, but presumably got a chance to see that it didn't cause the earth to swallow up the city of denver
15:58:03 <kmc> also happened last night: the first openly gay person elected to the Senate
15:59:02 <coppro> yeah :)
16:04:21 <elliott> so what does it actually mean for it to be legal in CO if it's federally illegal
16:04:58 <fizzie> It's a superposition then, right?
16:05:24 <fizzie> It collapses to legal or illegal when a police officer observes you. I think.
16:05:36 <fizzie> They covered something like this on the quantum physics courses, but I didn't pay too much attention.
16:08:21 <kmc> elliott: it means that city and state police won't hassle you over it
16:08:38 <elliott> kmc: but it's still illegal?
16:08:41 <kmc> in theory if you're smokin' weed in your house, the federal DEA could still break down your door
16:08:48 <kmc> but this is pretty unlikely
16:08:54 <kmc> more likely they would go after distributors
16:09:03 <kmc> as has sporadically happend with medical marijuana in CA etc
16:09:22 <kmc> remember, federal law also doesn't recognize state medical marijuana programs, but those have existed for a while
16:09:44 <kmc> in practice it will depend a lot on how Obama et al set federal law enforcement priorities
16:09:55 <kmc> if he was a strict prohibitionist he could make life hard for CO -- withhold federal law enforcement assistance money, etc.
16:10:06 <kmc> but my read is that he will try to ignore it as much as possible
16:10:40 <pikhq> It'd probably be politically difficult for him to be strict prohibitionist on this.
16:10:57 <kmc> well the tide is certainly shifting on this issue
16:11:18 <kmc> not one but two states legalized it yesterday, and more approved medical mj
16:11:40 <kmc> so any president with a sense of the path of history (i.e.: not george w bush) would think twice before standing in front of this issue
16:11:59 <fizzie> Legalize gay weed and medical marriage now.
16:12:02 <kmc> yes
16:12:23 <kmc> i look forward to buying pot bronwies from the dining car on california high speed rail
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16:31:12 <Arc_Koen> hey don't we have a category for OISCs? http://esolangs.org/wiki/OISC#See_also seems to be emulating one
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18:27:12 <kmc> http://isnatesilverawitch.com/
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18:36:17 <fizzie> Does it just say "YES"?
18:36:31 <fizzie> Oh, it says "PROBABLY".
18:37:38 <elliott> did he predict any sstate wrong
18:37:39 <elliott> *states
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18:41:17 <Sgeo> I think Florida's still unknown
18:41:37 <Sgeo> But keep in mind that we're all comparing to his latest prediction, but what about earlier ones?
18:41:59 <Sgeo> It makes sense that the latest prediction is most accurate, I think
18:44:18 <kmc> yes
18:44:28 <kmc> it's not that hard to do what he did on the eve of the election
18:44:42 <kmc> much simpler models than his produce the same result
18:45:47 <Sgeo> http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-romney-remain-about-equally-powerful,30289/?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=standard-post:quote:default
18:46:25 <kmc> hehehe
18:49:34 <Sgeo> http://www.theonion.com/articles/defeated-man-victorious,30281/
18:51:41 <Sgeo> http://www.theonion.com/articles/millions-without-power-following-election,30247/
18:51:50 <Sgeo> Ok, I need to stop linking to The Onion
18:51:53 <Sgeo> I am addicted
18:52:03 <elliott> hi
18:52:45 <ion> Hehe. The Onion ♥
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18:54:38 <kmc> yes
18:54:44 <kmc> onion headlines are consistently brilliant
18:54:56 <elliott> okay i like http://www.theonion.com/articles/millions-without-power-following-election,30247/ because it doesn't actually give away the joke completely
18:54:57 <kmc> the article text is hit or miss, but i can live with that -- it matches my attention deficit lifestyle
18:55:05 <elliott> which tends to be what the onion strives for in the actual articles
18:55:27 <elliott> (ps by give away the joke I mean hammer it into your head repeatedly)
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19:07:41 <ion> http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-want-to-congratulate-the-president-romney-says-i,30283/
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19:33:38 <ion> All the Finnish words two subsequent abbreviations of weekday names form. :-P http://dl.dropbox.com/u/75238938/viikonpaivat.gif
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19:40:10 <Deewiant> "tisu" is missing
19:40:25 <Phantom_Hoover> wait, does that mean latolatolatolatolato... is a word?
19:40:29 <ion> Actually, it’s missing a few others, too.
19:40:38 <Deewiant> I couldn't think of any others
19:41:20 <FreeFull> > concat $ repeat "lato"
19:41:22 <lambdabot> "latolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatolatola...
19:41:34 <ion> toti, Titi (-nalle), Pepe, Keke (Rosberg), Toto (gambling)
19:41:47 <Deewiant> I was excluding names
19:42:02 <Deewiant> "Make"'s a common abbreviation, at least
19:42:16 <Deewiant> But yeah, toti as well
19:44:45 <olsner> does viikonpaivat mean fig language?
19:44:57 <nooodl_> there are some pretty long words in there. what does pesumatola mean, for example
19:45:22 <Deewiant> It's a washwormery, of course
19:45:59 <Vorpal> Deewiant, got a mail from the person who took over rcfunge98 recently (on an email that I'm phasing out and not currently checking very often)
19:46:13 <Vorpal> talking about an idea for a new fingerprint
19:46:18 <Vorpal> not sure if you got that too?
19:46:33 <Deewiant> Nope
19:47:04 <Vorpal> oh well I did answer what I could and directed her to you (on IRC) as an additional resource
19:47:28 <Vorpal> The idea was a fingerprint to handle the issue of zero length command line arguments.
19:47:48 <Vorpal> it looks mostly okay, but not super-interesting.
19:48:07 <Vorpal> (so eh, like a lot of rcfunge that wasn't time travel related)
19:48:16 <nooodl_> Deewiant: okay, how about ketolamasuti
19:48:58 <fizzie> nooodl_: meadow-depression brush, maybe.
19:49:24 <fizzie> In the economic sense of depression.
19:49:46 <Vorpal> you guys have a word for "meadow-depression brush"?
19:49:47 <nooodl_> woah everyone here is finnish
19:50:00 <Vorpal> nooodl_, I'm Swedish, so no
19:50:10 <Deewiant> Vorpal: English has a phrase, we have a word. Sometimes it's like that.
19:50:12 <nooodl_> Vorpal: agglutinative languages have words for *everything*!
19:50:27 <fizzie> Vorpal: It was just "meadow", "economic depression" and "brush" concatenated.
19:50:30 <Vorpal> ah
19:50:34 <olsner> nooga: and hundreds of thousands of words for snow
19:50:41 <fizzie> But it's a viable compound word, for some values of viable.
19:50:45 <olsner> err, nooodl_
19:51:07 <fizzie> I'm thinking we should add the missing words so that we can have a complete graph for that weekday-abbreviation thing; it should be something any language could be proud of.
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19:51:39 <Vorpal> fizzie, hm you can still manage that in Swedish: ängsdepresionspensel?
19:52:04 <Vorpal> also I'm not sure about the number of s in that
19:52:07 <Vorpal> looks off
19:52:15 <Vorpal> yeah
19:52:25 <Vorpal> ängsdepressionspensel
19:52:33 <Vorpal> that is the correct spelling
19:52:36 <nooodl_> hm. so "latolatolatolatolamasumasuma" is valid finnish?
19:52:39 <Vorpal> that is brush as in paintbrush though
19:52:43 <nooodl_> (for some value of "valid")
19:52:59 <Vorpal> ängsdepresionsborste for another meaning of brush
19:53:13 <fizzie> Anything is valid for some value of "valid"; for example, for the meaning "invalid".
19:53:54 <fizzie> I don't think such repetition really has a meaning in Finnish.
19:54:06 <fizzie> At least generally speaking.
19:54:21 <nooodl_> (hey, i guess you could pull this off in dutch too but it sounds forced. "madedepressiepenseel")
19:54:23 <fizzie> I mean, I guess "latolato" could be some kind of a barn for containing barns.
19:54:41 <fizzie> And "latolatolato" then a barn for containing barns containing barns.
19:54:44 <Vorpal> nooodl_, it sounds forced in Swedish too
19:54:51 <fizzie> And so on.
19:55:06 <Vorpal> mostly because it makes no sense
19:55:18 <nooodl_> "barn barn barn thing thing thing thing" - the best, most useful word
19:58:10 <fizzie> And "Xsuma", being "a gridlock of X's" (vaguely speaking) you could I suppose also extend so that "Xsumasuma" would be a gridlock of gridlocks of X's. (Disclaimer: gridlock is probably not the best translation here, but maybe the point is clear.)
19:58:47 <nooodl_> now all that's left is the "lama" part
19:58:56 <fizzie> That's the economic depression.
19:59:02 <fizzie> Like, "lamasuma" could be a series of economic depressions that just don't seem to clear out, very reasonably.
19:59:13 <Vorpal> how lame
19:59:16 <nooodl_> ooh neat
19:59:30 <Vorpal> fizzie, like right now then?
20:00:00 <nooodl_> "gridlock of gridlocks of depressions of barns of barns of barns of barns". should be in finnish dictionaries
20:00:02 <elliott> fizzie: It could also be a llama who is quite good at sums.
20:00:06 <elliott> You know, a llama summer.
20:00:39 <mroman> Are you talking about finnish again?
20:00:53 <nooodl_> yep
20:01:42 <fizzie> I suppose a "depression of barns" is when the number of new barns raised drops?
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20:02:11 <elliott> it's when barns get sad
20:02:12 <elliott> irl
20:02:30 <fizzie> `words --finnish 10
20:02:42 <HackEgo> korvosta osasinasi hartamme säveltaan kansasitykseenilläsittävän vainoksestymässääsi ahkeimmilleni vetoimittävällä mukatorille omasta
20:02:45 <Vorpal> fizzie, no, it is when there are so many barns built that the economy crashes
20:02:51 <nooodl_> wow those ar e good
20:02:57 <elliott> nooodl_: do you know finnish or something
20:03:03 <nooodl_> no :(
20:03:08 <elliott> good
20:03:16 <Vorpal> elliott, why is that good?
20:03:16 <fizzie> "osasinasi" - "as small parts of you", with some interpretation.
20:03:42 <elliott> i hate finnish people
20:03:47 <elliott> `quote would anyone
20:03:50 <HackEgo> 727) <ais523> oh right: Frooxius, you wouldn't happen to live in Hexham, would you? <Frooxius> No, sorry. <ais523> phew <Ngevd> How about Finland? <Frooxius> Why would I live there? <fizzie> That's a *very* good question. <fizzie> Why would anyone?
20:04:21 <fizzie> "mukatorille" - "to the fake market square".
20:04:35 <fizzie> Or maybe the "pretend-square" is closer.
20:05:06 <nooodl_> everyone's waiting for the big "kansasitykseenilläsittävän" translation, man!
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20:06:15 <fizzie> I hate doing those, my parser always has trouble grokking them; I'll let Deewiant or someone try.
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20:06:24 <kmc> buh it's snowing
20:07:01 <Vorpal> kmc, where in the world?
20:07:24 <fizzie> There was a bit of snow here in October; I had before heard in a bus some foreign exchange students talking, and the annoyingest of them had bet money against someone that there wouldn't be any snow in October.
20:07:59 <fizzie> It was very schadenfreudeish that he lost the bet.
20:08:36 <olsner> since you have snow the rest of the year, why wouldn't there be snow in october?
20:08:48 <Vorpal> I need a better mobile music player. There is no single organisation structure that works for my music. Some tracks makes most sense to sort under artist, some under composer, some under album and so on. A few even based on which game they are remixes from.
20:09:07 <kmc> boston
20:09:13 <olsner> organize them in directories
20:09:14 <nooodl_> fizzie: finnish is your mother language, right?
20:09:30 <fizzie> Eh-heh; but there's been years that haven't had any snow in October, so I was a bit worried. (Uh, the bet was geographically limited to the Helsinki area.)
20:09:35 <fizzie> nooodl_: Yes.
20:09:42 <Vorpal> olsner, some I want to access in multiple "views" as it were. Are you suggesting symlinks?
20:10:14 <Vorpal> maybe a tag based system would work
20:10:27 <nooodl_> haha, i love how you can end up having trouble parsing (long, absurd) words even if you're a native speaker of finish
20:11:01 <olsner> Vorpal: a while ago I wanted something like that so I built a tag-based system for xmms, but then I finnished it
20:11:12 <fizzie> Vorpal: Organize them based on the first n hex digits of the SHA-3 hash of the file, where n is suitably chosen to get reasonably directory sizes.
20:11:13 <Vorpal> olsner, and?
20:11:40 <Vorpal> oh wait
20:11:45 <Vorpal> that was a pun in the spelling
20:11:47 <fizzie> nooodl_: It could be an invalid word, though; it's having vowel harmony problems, for one thing; that could work in a compound, but the rest of it looks really more like suffixes.
20:12:02 <Vorpal> olsner, what actually happened, when you "finnished" it
20:12:13 <olsner> Vorpal: also, iirc xmms doesn't exist anymore
20:12:40 <Vorpal> olsner, also I need this on my android phone
20:13:21 <Vorpal> I need something better than trying to scroll through a few hundred composers, performers, artists and so on. Or a few hundred album names for that
20:13:24 <Vorpal> for that matter*
20:15:29 <ion> http://j.mp/VTxQlv
20:16:17 <Vorpal> ion, fancy, what does it mean
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20:16:31 <fizzie> "kansa" is "people, folk"; "kansasi" is very valid as "your people"; then it gets more difficult. "kansasitys" (from which "kansasitykseeni" would be a valid derivation) doesn't seem to be meaning anything, and the 'y' conflicts with the 'a's. But I'm not ruling out a creative interpretation could still be found, it's just not looking so good. (Still, "tykseenilläsittävän" doesn't seem to ...
20:16:37 <fizzie> ... parse either; otherwise it could've been a compound of "your people" and that.)
20:16:49 <ion> vorpal: The Finnish words that can be formed by combining two weekday abbreviations. :-P
20:17:17 <fizzie> That looks like circo's output.
20:17:34 <olsner> hmm, you could use that graph to make a weekday rock/paper/scissor/thursday/friday/saturday/sunday game
20:17:50 <olsner> it might be terribly uneven though
20:17:59 <fizzie> olsner: Nothing beats Friday. :p
20:18:16 <olsner> is that pe?
20:18:20 <fizzie> Except Friday itself, I guess, but I don't know how that works.
20:18:21 <fizzie> Yes.
20:18:27 <fizzie> (Short for "perjantai".)
20:18:37 <olsner> maybe if both say pe you throw again
20:18:46 <ion> again/up
20:18:55 <olsner> pepe = puke?
20:18:59 <fizzie> So a game is about both saying "pe" until one of the players gives up?
20:19:05 <fizzie> Pepe is a name.
20:19:12 <Vorpal> ion, haha
20:19:21 <fizzie> I suppose that's why the line is dashed?
20:19:30 <ion> yeah
20:20:04 <olsner> if pe is unbeatable that makes the game pretty boring
20:22:11 <fizzie> There are Finnish people (somewhere between 74-77) with the first name Tito, but maybe that's too loan-namey to count.
20:26:22 <fizzie> Is there some kind of "each Wikipedia thing must have an illustrative picture" rule going on? I don't see what else can explain putting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Finnish_vowel_harmony.jpg next to the "Finnish" section on the Vowel harmony article.
20:27:12 <elliott> H U O M !
20:27:33 <fizzie> I mean, okay, the sentence contains a reasonable example, but is there some reason it needs a picture of a dirty sign in a bus window?
20:27:53 <nooodl_> http://codepad.org/hpZ0TcxQ woah this is kind of "lato"-heavy
20:27:59 <elliott> fizzie: they need to show people the true horrors of finland
20:28:03 <ion> That sign has at least one grammatical error.
20:28:06 <fizzie> Especially of a sign in which someone has left spaces before the !s; that thing has annoyed me incredibly much every time I've seen the sign.
20:28:34 <elliott> fizzie: again, the true horrors of finland
20:29:31 <olsner> I wonder what a pram is and how I can make sure its secure placement
20:29:43 <fizzie> olsner: 1. baby buggy, baby carriage, carriage, perambulator, pram, stroller, go-cart, pushchair, pusher -- (a small vehicle with four wheels in which a baby or child is pushed around)
20:30:16 <fizzie> And there are hooks you can use, plus many of them have some brakes in the wheels I believe. Or you could just keep one hand on it.
20:31:42 <fizzie> olsner: (By hooks I mean the black things in http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6uU3PeO0i5I/TFv2wHSBS8I/AAAAAAAAAEk/9T5qW1S8ycQ/s1600/23072010014.jpg that are hanging from the horizontal bar; though personally I don't think I've ever seen anyone use those, except the babies tend to keep whacking them against the wall/other hooks/anything, producing a most irritating noise.)
20:31:51 <Vorpal> <fizzie> Especially of a sign in which someone has left spaces before the !s; that thing has annoyed me incredibly much every time I've seen the sign. <-- so what does the sign mean?
20:32:03 <fizzie> Vorpal: There's an English translation in the description there.
20:32:06 <Vorpal> ah
20:32:09 <fizzie> I assume that's where olsner got the pram from.
20:32:28 <fizzie> Oh, it doesn't translate the small print.
20:32:39 <Vorpal> fizzie, so what does the small print translate to
20:32:40 <olsner> but the text in the picture was not on a bus?
20:33:03 <Vorpal> olsner, uh? it looks like the sign is inside the bus?
20:33:18 <olsner> Vorpal: the description of the image had a translation btw
20:33:26 <Vorpal> olsner, not complete it appears
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20:33:43 <fizzie> Vorpal: "An example: A car may unexpectedly rush in front of the bus. In that case, _in order to avoid a collision_, it is necessary to brake suddenly."
20:33:59 <olsner> oh, it looked like a billboard by a road, but I guess the picture was taken through the bus window?
20:34:42 <fizzie> I think they added that to stop people from complaining so loudly when the bus sometimes does in fact make sudden changes of velocity.
20:35:13 <olsner> they should just add thicker armor to the buses so they don't have to stop
20:35:57 <fizzie> The sign also looks kinda badly kerned. (E.g. the gap between Ä and V in "YLLÄTTÄVISSÄ".)
20:41:19 <fizzie> A while ago I did my small part to annoy folks-with-children living in this building; they'd been keeping their PRAM at the bottom of the staircase, so I left an anonymous note quoting the law forbidding that, plus the fire department's statistics on how fast smoke from a burning PRAM fills a four-floor stairway (less than two minutes), how large fraction of deaths in fires are due to smoke ...
20:41:25 <fizzie> ... poisoning (two thirds) and how many such left-in-the-stairway PRAMS are vandalistically set aflame every year (about ten in the metropolitan area).
20:41:29 <fizzie> Haven't seen the PRAM since.
20:41:58 <fizzie> In retrospect, they may have misinterpreted the subtext as "this guy's going to set our PRAM on fire" as opposed to "oh, we have a friendly and safety-conscious neighbour".
20:42:34 <fizzie> It got results, and made things more difficult for other people, so I suppose it's a win-win in any case.
20:43:15 <fizzie> (I should've printed out http://www.pelastustoimi.fi/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/sppl07-0.jpg on the note too.)
20:44:33 <kmc> what is a PRAM and why must it be capitalized
20:44:49 <fizzie> kmc: 1. baby buggy, baby carriage, carriage, perambulator, pram, stroller, go-cart, pushchair, pusher -- (a small vehicle with four wheels in which a baby or child is pushed around)
20:44:56 <fizzie> (I keep saying that thing.)
20:45:07 <fizzie> Possibly it doesn't need to be capitalized.
20:45:25 <kmc> to what degree were your statistics completely made up
20:45:49 <elliott> fizzie: you should have zapped their PRAM
20:45:54 <fizzie> They came from the fire department's website. It doesn't cite sources.
20:46:33 <olsner> you should've just moved it to the garbage room, since it was in the stairway it must be garbage
20:46:33 <kmc> elliott++
20:46:45 <fizzie> But the first one, about the time taken for smoke to fill the stairway, they claim to be based on their own experiments.
20:46:48 <Vorpal> random note: SwiftKey is an awesome keyboard for a touch screen, almost as fast as typing on a real PC keyboard.
20:46:53 <fizzie> (I don't know if they count that in the last statistic.)
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20:49:38 <kmc> so the fire department recognizes prams left in stairways as a particular problem?
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20:51:19 <fizzie> In as much as they have a particular page about it, yes.
20:51:23 <kmc> huh
20:51:41 <fizzie> I suspect it's just that they're the thing most commonly left in stairways, and they burn quite well.
20:54:44 <fizzie> Disclaimer: I've been using "fire department" as a convenient shorthand, but strictly speaking the website that has the page is the "Rescue services in Finland" info-portal of the Department for Rescue Services of the Ministry of the Interior; while the organization that actually ran the smoke experiments was the Helsinki City Rescue Department.
20:55:00 <kmc> heh
20:56:11 <elliott> now nobody can sue fizzie
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21:09:44 <fizzie> For any matter whatsoever; complete immunity.
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21:33:17 <atriq> Aaaargh, Chromium
21:34:14 <atriq> Any idea why http://wehavenosociallifestuck.tumblr.com/post/35221679526 is working in Firefox but not Chromium, anyone?
21:37:25 <Lumpio-> emo much
21:38:39 <atriq> Does saying that help my situation at all?
21:39:26 <Lumpio-> Probably not, but it's a valid reaction to such a video
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22:00:08 <Phantom_Hoover> atriq, Chromium has better taste.
22:01:13 <atriq> Phantom_Hoover, but one of my friends made that, so I have to watch it!
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22:13:55 * Sgeo wonders how Conservapedia is handling the election results
22:14:28 <Phantom_Hoover> I see Conservapedia has unblocked the UK again.
22:14:37 <Phantom_Hoover> atriq, Chromium knows this; it wants to save you.
22:14:43 <Sgeo> "Is this the end of RINO credibility at the top of the Republican Party? In voting for Democrats, Wisconsin and Ohio appear to reject the avoid-the-social-issues approach of Karl Rove and other liberal Republicans."
22:14:58 <Phantom_Hoover> "Some reasons why Mitt Romney lost.[3] And what this means for America's future. [4]
22:14:58 <Phantom_Hoover> "
22:15:28 <Sgeo> That [3] link: http://www.westernjournalism.com/why-romney-lost/
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22:15:40 <Sgeo> "He didnt want to talk about Obamas associations with Islamists and the Muslim Brotherhood. Romney never wanted to talk about Obamas sketchy past, his fictional birth story, and his possible ineligibility to serve as president."
22:16:34 <Sgeo> "Yes, the economy is bad, but there needed to be more. What about Obamas support for infanticide? What about his support for death panels?"
22:16:42 <atriq> Didn't Obama have more of a claim for eligibility for president than McCain?
22:17:10 <Sgeo> "The overly zealous foreign policy of the neoconservative movement is hurting the Republican brand. Americans were worried Romney might get us in another Mideast war." ... uh, wow. I guess not all right-wingers are the same
22:17:22 <Bike> are you referring to mccain being porn in panama, or...
22:17:39 <atriq> Yes
22:17:50 <fizzie> McCain was in a porn movie filmed in Panama!?
22:18:01 <atriq> No
22:18:04 <fizzie> That *is* quite shady.
22:18:06 <Bike> born*. being born in a military base is fine.
22:18:06 <atriq> He was porn in panama
22:18:49 <atriq> When he went to Panama, people got arrested for possessing John McCain of children
22:21:05 <Phantom_Hoover> we need to make 'john mccain' into the next euphemism for porn
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22:32:09 <kmc> the new santorum
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23:35:19 <tswett> In the sentence "I'll be happy if he eats right now", even though "to eat" is in the present tense, and despite the presence of the phrase "right now", the action referred to by the verb "to eat" is in the future.
23:35:56 <Phantom_Hoover> depends how you interpret it i guess
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23:42:37 <Arc_Koen> hey guys
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