< 1351987200 174129 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1351987236 407510 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351987415 415456 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1351987529 169293 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1351987633 34626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dickachu < 1351987660 503463 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION translates to Japanese
< 1351987662 663976 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pikachin < 1351987701 923094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dikhq < 1351988097 173716 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1351988515 777272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/10/31/us/2012-sandy-POD-2.html#/?slide=11 Our Lady of the Extension Cord < 1351988539 101253 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351988834 950436 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D http://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/12kce9/apple_resizes_website_so_that_the_samsung_apology/ < 1351989397 150842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is there specifically to get the bottom 310px of the website out of view. Independent of screen resolution." < 1351989397 963010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1351989672 522613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This code appears in most of Apple's non-US sites, not just the UK site." aw < 1351992798 334191 :BeholdMyGlory!~behold@unaffiliated/beholdmyglory QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1351992845 561341 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1351993087 989401 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1351993444 28830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: < 1351993446 212047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty flip < 1351993447 514943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b -> c) -> b -> a -> c < 1351993453 496927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not everything, but it's something! < 1351993457 496433 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1351993542 991836 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1351993589 344858 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1351993603 487714 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1351993634 988184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> over both (+1) (1,2) < 1351993638 349956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (2,3) < 1351993662 486709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> toListOf (traverse._1) [(1,2),(3,4),(5,6),(7,8)] < 1351993664 714959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,3,5,7] < 1351993811 971190 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> both succ (1,2) < 1351993814 39924 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instances for (GHC.Enum.Enum (f0 b0), GHC.Num.Num (f0 b0)) < 1351993814 87273 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising fr... < 1351993816 1556 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1351993818 311252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-----( < 1351993825 475597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :)-------------------------------------------: < 1351993832 871366 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> both (pure . succ) (1,2) < 1351993834 360054 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (f0 (b0, b0))) < 1351993834 521445 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M48... < 1351993839 240908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runIdentity $ both (pure . succ) (1,2) < 1351993841 364565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (2,3) < 1351993844 471609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuck < 1351993850 90088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t over < 1351993851 611615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Setting s t a b -> (a -> b) -> s -> t < 1351993887 358820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :· · < 1351993889 28868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1351993893 260637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/-\ < 1351993909 381516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the king of all cosmos? < 1351994058 724483 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::───────────┐ < 1351994060 738667 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ┌──────┼───────┬────D < 1351994062 680710 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : └──────┘ └────D < 1351994233 937786 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1351994279 877491 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what exactly is that meant to be? < 1351994294 559758 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alien dick? < 1351994318 504334 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :A..ha < 1351994327 961818 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two-faced smile of ion < 1351994371 862386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A-ha? < 1351994401 767966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion++ for using line drawing characters < 1351994406 248164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :line drawing characters are the best < 1351994478 422070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :┌─────────┐ < 1351994479 694580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :│I ♥ CP437│ < 1351994481 2312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :└─────────┘ < 1351994666 642077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my terminal font does a really, really bad job with the ♥ character < 1351994670 145159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/sW4qQ.png < 1351994689 739278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it was always thus < 1351994725 741851 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should ask for your money back. < 1351994777 115862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your terminal and font? < 1351994805 501630 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351995116 600081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351995164 781243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rxvt-unicode -bg black -fg white -fn "x:6x13" < 1351995195 387018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes my computer does this thing where it uses up all the ram (?) and then there is weird graphics corruption that doesn't fully go away < 1351995208 53471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like not just the framebuffer gets corrupted but various offscreen buffers that programs keep using < 1351995211 20308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe this is that < 1351995216 345072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's the fault of a dist-upgrade < 1351995219 976024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i'm just cursed < 1351995221 598601 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what happens when you fill the bitbucket < 1351995414 627165 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bits spill out < 1351995421 565525 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And have a war < 1351995665 423842 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :halp, I'm thinking about watching SG-1 again < 1351995743 295123 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1351995840 199639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a good one or no < 1351996081 730038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the font "Monospace". < 1351996086 91466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the default one. < 1351996088 783301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very good font. < 1351996103 850558 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also have a monospace font < 1351996111 206715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can get it in urxvt with -fn 'xft:Monospace' < 1351996221 510188 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351996237 684487 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or by putting "URxvt.font: xft:Terminus:size=8" in .Xdefaults < 1351996631 776703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'll have to look into that < 1351996640 651734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can become one of these droid sans mono evangelists < 1351996656 267076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your choice of fonts really says a lot about you as a programmer < 1351996661 875318 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can define whether you're a rockstar or more of a ninja < 1351996668 215430 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it has to be some obscure unreadable but supposedly-really-good-for-code font < 1351996704 121571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The color camera on Apollo 12 provided a few brief moments of color telecasting before it was inadvertently pointed at the Sun, ending its usefulness." < 1351996736 334238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much money was spent to send this fancy camera to the goddamn moon and then "whoops" < 1351996753 260302 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey be fair. the sun is pretty big! < 1351996769 489641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much bigger up there in space < 1351996795 287208 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets bigger the closer to the sky you get < 1351996811 341749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you hit the bounding box and then you just can't move even though your legs are moving < 1351997530 692587 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Monospace is actually an alias to a different font < 1351997546 852965 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets you either Bitstream Vera Sans Mono or DejaVu Sans Mono, I don't know which < 1351997554 935044 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1351997559 946484 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There exists a Tcl-Java bridge < 1351997569 231020 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi sgeo < 1351997576 501734 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats this about?? < 1351997579 975736 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, why the fuck? < 1351997583 766895 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if I can fix it up so that it can interact with Clojure in a more idiomatic way than dealing with the Java objects directly < 1351997590 175392 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tcljava.sourceforge.net/docs/website/ < 1351997640 35476 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually potentially have a use for this thing, although probably writing my own parser for the data in question and just rewriting the code would make more sense < 1351997686 467194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: by "use" do you mean "thing you will actually use" < 1351997751 588911 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. I have no real reason to rewrite this project from scratch, in a way that will possibly cause pain for actual user in that a JVM would be needed. < 1351997762 482484 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351997770 992684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/fivethirtynate < 1351997881 790474 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although actually, Tcl and Clojure are both awesome languages. < 1351997886 651471 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I have actually used Tcl) < 1351998221 467573 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1351998391 131172 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1351998578 96592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: No, the font is called "Monospace" < 1351998596 598496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the name of the font. < 1351998657 982304 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Monospace is an alias < 1351998661 71262 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :An alias I say! < 1351998675 123944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE AN ALIAS FOR "Monospace" < 1351998717 349391 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The “M” stands for “Monospace”. < 1351998868 382216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the "onospace" stand for? < 1351998885 562132 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually a beatles reference < 1351998932 829669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're a Beatles reference! < 1351998998 340112 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF < 1351999006 393606 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In space, no-one can hear you marry John Lennon. < 1351999008 361577 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people in New Jersey might be ... voting by email? < 1351999040 548902 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i for one support giving our electoral process over to srizbi < 1351999062 21333 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/03/new-jersey-residents-can-_n_2070016.html < 1351999559 340291 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1351999671 673757 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1351999973 688323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Man, I should learn Finnish. < 1351999985 634462 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Learn Japanese and get drunk. < 1352000006 769129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have drinking in japan < 1352000015 730103 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Noooo, don’t do it < 1352000016 729327 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great, so they are implementing electronic voting at absolutely the last minute with zero security measures < 1352000030 893092 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1352000050 158251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair there is no real security on mail-in ballots < 1352000076 141789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and voter fraud is mainly a bullshit issue used by republicans to make it harder for poor people and minorities to vote < 1352000092 917161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and NJ won't matter for the presidential election, anyway < 1352000156 19 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you see that nytimes.com thing? < 1352000161 965144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which? < 1352000167 663657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/11/02/us/politics/paths-to-the-white-house.html < 1352000232 538222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's cool < 1352000270 998232 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: Faxes still exist? < 1352000284 451075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: No. < 1352000294 595522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If someone claims they have one, you should tell them it's really a faux fax < 1352000299 803807 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why do you think you should learn Finnish? < 1352000324 80987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Because Finnish people should speak Finnish! < 1352000332 362693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Swedish, I guess. < 1352000335 519507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: isn't it great how 70% of the country is completely irrelevant to presidential politics? < 1352000404 907073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Today I learned about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Popular_Vote_Interstate_Compact < 1352000457 787100 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that is an amusing hack < 1352000459 883623 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION lives in a part that is relevant. Bleh.
< 1352000498 350355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're almost halfway there < 1352000623 401295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, what if more states allocated electoral votes per congressional district < 1352000628 871885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as ME and NE do < 1352000632 627993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be good or bad? < 1352000641 609610 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That… is such a retarded way to fix the system, but oh well, better than nothing. < 1352000731 978222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1352000850 24206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another option is for states to allocate their EVs proportionally to the statewide popular vote, rather than all-or-nothing < 1352000861 792738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither of those requires a compact or a federal constitutional amendment < 1352000925 584750 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's November already. < 1352000954 652881 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1352000974 416579 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :some call it "election month" but i call it nanowrimo < 1352000995 904172 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1352001119 889416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some call it erection month < 1352001257 472256 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't that be opposed by whatever the majority of a state is, since they're now not as strongly represented? < 1352001271 794279 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why call it "election month"? The majority of the month is taken up by not-election. < 1352001306 946978 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Post-election month, since most of it is post-election, while the beginning is pre-election? < 1352001364 945067 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1352001820 859969 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Really, it should just be opposed by Republicans, since in each election where the popular vote hasn't matched the electoral vote, they've won ;) < 1352001866 259872 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: but like every electoral trend, that could change in any given year < 1352002123 945380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"an electoral trend could change in any given year" sounds like an electoral trend. < 1352002134 81435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that a metaëlectoral trend, and therefore immune to itself? < 1352002192 178575 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are mistaken in interpreting it as a trend < 1352002247 435499 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a trend is "this has always been" while that is just "this might or might not be" < 1352002264 25010 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think thats what trend means < 1352002801 723480 :t0mmyy!~Killumina@177.158.71.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352002955 643243 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to define it as you like < 1352002957 511245 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1352002982 682223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: hi < 1352003032 481095 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey. how's it? < 1352003038 260216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gracenotes < 1352003043 475658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What brings you here? < 1352003046 954907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Gracenotes < 1352003059 256196 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1352003110 71742 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: it's itty < 1352003119 191403 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the server my irssi screen session is on resets, sometimes I forget to join channels < 1352003160 519561 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you have the channels on autojoin < 1352003168 44443 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so went my habit of coming here from I-forget-when. < 1352003184 439071 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never liked the idea of autojoin < 1352003222 98705 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I join so rarely, it doesn't seem worth it >_> < 1352003337 902314 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, connect rarely, due to good uptime. in any case, I've made trawls through the wiki here and there when bored :p The only lang I've created was a stack-based lambda calculus interpreter < 1352003445 640633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i'm not sure if 1824 is a counterexample to what you said or not, it's just that fucked up < 1352003488 97038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the candidate with the largest popular vote share and the most electoral votes lost < 1352003495 190351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to another candidate from the same party < 1352003508 979151 :t0mmyy!~Killumina@177.158.71.121 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1352003533 773912 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, 1824 was just weird. < 1352003574 296610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had forgot about this until just now < 1352003579 387850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i never learned it in the first place < 1352004169 776067 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352004237 864000 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352007701 182214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: jfischoff in #haskell wants to talk about mapping on HLists and things. < 1352007778 232030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know much about oleg's definition of hlists < 1352007789 719073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :'[*] HLists. < 1352007865 418397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott++ < 1352007898 998401 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did my duty < 1352008029 265577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: He spelled your name with one t. < 1352008037 377120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should give him a new version of the code with a backdoor in it. < 1352008056 570273 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the backdoor is already in there < 1352008058 268102 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an unsafeCoerce < 1352008143 932431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But it's commented out in the most recent version. :-( < 1352008204 935206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not my paste < 1352008207 363011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats another persons paste < 1352008229 405396 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :people seriously need to start standardizing the elliott spellings < 1352008234 274696 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :way too many variations < 1352008240 182375 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eliet < 1352008289 681314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I'm pretty sure T. S. Eliot already decided on the correct spelling. < 1352008303 324821 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, Eliot just looks wrong < 1352008320 364594 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a funny way to spell "right" ! < 1352008709 381504 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shackhaff < 1352008785 644922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: The correct spelling is שחף < 1352008835 139984 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg crypto < 1352008844 453216 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION invokes metatron
< 1352008869 60370 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (unwords . map concat . sequence) [["E"], ["l", "ll"], ["io"], ["t", "tt", "tte"]] < 1352008870 914164 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Eliot Eliott Eliotte Elliot Elliott Elliotte" < 1352008904 671488 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: shchf? < 1352008905 797937 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how would you like to be "Eliotte" < 1352008931 163648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: if elliott doesn't want to be Eliotte can i be Eliotte < 1352008939 524827 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure why not < 1352009237 61210 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :‘libtcod, a.k.a. “The Doryen Library”, is a free, fast, portable and uncomplicated API for roguelike developpers providing an advanced true color console, input, and lots of other utilities frequently used in roguelikes.’ < 1352009243 841438 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who wants to developpe roguelikes? < 1352009269 517099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pushing the roguelike enveloppe" < 1352009352 550683 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear roguelike how does it feel to have your envolope pushed?? < 1352009417 366187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :enveloppe < 1352009426 31412 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :envoloppe < 1352009739 79268 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My clothes only have single-hole zippers. < 1352011582 280680 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1:59:54 < 1352011584 601851 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1:00:44 < 1352011674 18538 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1352012113 545981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1352012986 833379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think libtcod is mostly useful as a terminal substitute for windows < 1352012993 766755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of it seems too disjointed, really < 1352013064 824061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I think it's hilarious what Apple did with their homepage (designing it to be slightly too tall for the screen no matter what size the screen is, it deliberately adjusts for it and makes itself too large to fit, in order to hide the link to the apology to Samsung) < 1352013109 355439 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh < 1352013662 518399 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i like how the judge literally said "samsung's tablets are less cool, so they don't infringe" < 1352013676 662625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't imagine samsung were terrible happy about winning on that account < 1352013679 536472 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*terribly < 1352014152 545333 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352014215 184431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1352014326 606044 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1352016567 137365 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1352017491 489939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Reportedly it's not too tall "no matter what"; it doesn't actually stretch, just rearranges itself a bit. < 1352018457 486821 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1352019485 735635 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1352020347 260350 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352021041 401170 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352021700 944933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1352022330 268879 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1352024280 676376 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352026073 314870 :MoALTz!~no@host86-132-136-34.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1352026301 666511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1352026501 11877 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm where is elliott when you need him < 1352026519 947276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham < 1352026554 233261 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352026558 663733 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well duh < 1352026613 443944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"well duh" - vorpal < 1352026639 571359 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I supposed you don't know anything about what god ergonomical keyboards exist? < 1352026700 223386 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't silly ultraflat < 1352026712 879302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard Kinesis is good. < 1352026721 581391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think kmc might know something. < 1352026731 981810 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at microsoft's keyboard lineup (I really like their mice) but it seems to be all ultra-flat these days < 1352026822 443411 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1352026833 175005 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that maybe looks too ergonomical (Kinesis), seems kind of hard to get used to < 1352026860 313745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a few people who use it and like it. < 1352026867 377029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't want to buy that without trying it first. And there aren't really any good physical shops around here that would have it. < 1352026883 764529 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a bit of an issue < 1352026915 697683 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHO NEEDS GOD WHEN YOU CAN HAVE A MALTRON < 1352027032 129056 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1352027042 134856 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, why not go for a Datahand while you are at it :P < 1352027074 770539 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I want something that isn't completely different, I'm not only typing on it. Game keymappings still need to make sense for me. As do emacs keymappings. < 1352027117 116973 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if the layout is going to be different I would need a reasonable Swedish keymapping for it still < 1352027249 776355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had one of the "Microsoft Natural Ergonomic" line keyboards once -- something like the http://www.verkkokauppa.com/files/images/71/2_27314-358x228.jpeg except few (dozen?) product generations back. < 1352027273 867714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't say I liked it terribly much, but keyboards are kind of personal things. < 1352027359 518100 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The one in the image is Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 -- I think the one I had didn't have any numbers.) < 1352027404 11002 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah the modern ones appear to be ultraflat < 1352027413 712820 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay not that one < 1352027419 457575 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking at the curve one < 1352027429 685706 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a bit between that and normal keyboards < 1352027435 661495 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the older curve ones < 1352027467 458907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Comfort Curve 3000 seems kinda flat, yes. < 1352027472 860613 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly so < 1352027523 291405 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used a 2000 at one point, it was kind of slightly flatter than classical keyboards, but not as flat as the 3000 appears < 1352027534 817976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some) gamer keyboards look kind of different. < 1352027536 524927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.verkkokauppa.com/files/images/97/2_137749-1000x1000.jpeg < 1352027541 228367 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of buttons. < 1352027544 620333 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol what < 1352027575 147379 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't really need that. All I really need is a comfortable standard keyboard + volume buttons. Anything else I don't really care about < 1352027590 320882 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is the thing in the middle of MS natural? < 1352027600 350136 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroll wheel? < 1352027867 18546 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh uh, it has a "nordic" layout too? < 1352027870 536904 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that even mean < 1352027991 300521 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, from that photo it even appears to be an US layout, guess they used stock photo < 1352028004 166062 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :would have to call them to make sure it is actually correct before I buy it < 1352028004 358963 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42ccd.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1352028023 906090 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tiny enter D:< < 1352028029 421097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that yeah < 1352028031 910480 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hate that < 1352028043 459165 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not going to buy a keyboard without a large enter key < 1352028060 731486 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead I have a tiny leftshift :D < 1352028076 206931 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh? < 1352028116 380334 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make space for \| between left shift and z < 1352028125 827106 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can one access I²C devices asynchronously using the Linux API? < 1352028151 799471 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1352028161 793779 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea < 1352028184 490163 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, async in what way? < 1352028187 915233 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-blocking IO? < 1352028213 906999 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vorpal: Tell it to start doing something, block in poll()/select(), then read the result. < 1352028218 76302 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so couldn't you just create a thread to handle the request for you and have that notify you async < 1352028235 499697 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah I have no idea if it supports it < 1352028238 646765 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do the docs say? < 1352028242 595662 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what happen if you try it < 1352028250 700052 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, using threads is an alternative. < 1352028306 559635 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It supports read() for a subset of the functionality: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/i2c/dev-interface < 1352028340 78110 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, the equivalent of i2c_smbus_read_byte. < 1352028384 410857 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But i’d like to be able to use the full API asynchronously. < 1352028481 521724 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, what sort of device are you interfacing with? < 1352028504 772581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a scroll wheel, yes. < 1352028508 978957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for zooming. < 1352028529 546590 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :An accelerometer, a magnetometer, a gyroscope, a barometer and a temperature sensor. < 1352028539 6444 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, hm... laptop? < 1352028545 306719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The version I had had no wheels.) < 1352028549 314816 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a smartphone? < 1352028552 572936 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and another pressure sensor with a pitot tube. < 1352028557 903910 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :An RC airplane. < 1352028559 709678 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1352028588 19085 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, yeah I could guess when you mentioned pitot tube :P < 1352028661 194258 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :upgrading ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04.1 on a laptop here, there is always something that goes wrong isn't it. This time lsb_release stopped working partway through the upgrade and the upgrade process is spewing warnings as a result, still seem to work < 1352028669 581820 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wth < 1352028688 907301 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mojabake error dialog showed up. With two mojabake buttons < 1352028693 271313 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what that is for < 1352029540 6705 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The change in version number represents how many things have been replaced for no reason < 1352029549 47416 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1352029558 990860 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1352029589 253324 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, which is why I'm doing this upgrade on an old, otherwise unused, laptop first. < 1352029610 432501 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :to see how much time I will need to set aside to clean up the mess when I do it on this modern laptop < 1352029628 148650 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, reasonably modern laptop anyway < 1352029663 564867 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upgrading ubuntu: echo deb ftp.debian.org/debian sid main > /etc/apt/sources.list < 1352029675 952870 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice one < 1352029720 197090 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You will need to use the Terminal for that. Open the Terminal from the Start Menu. I mean the App Launcher.) < 1352029820 609974 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, I'm going to convert it into xubuntu after the upgrade anyway < 1352029968 640986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :XXXbuntu. < 1352030059 340232 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1352030106 919494 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, :P < 1352030122 553795 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a new animal every time! < 1352030195 389011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the Ubuntu Satanic Edition. < 1352030297 11002 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arch < 1352030308 113906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu Arch? < 1352030314 845038 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1352030319 256173 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just Arch < 1352030347 57080 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arch Linux is okay < 1352030383 205699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Suse Ubuntu Archmint Genfedoratoo Linux. < 1352030432 929777 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, with the SlackDebGoboWare package manager? < 1352030495 194902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It installs package.rpm.deb.tar.gz.xz.bz2 files. < 1352030571 398213 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "apt portage" \\ " ott" < 1352030573 272593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "apprage" < 1352030603 971050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"apprage" sounds like the best package manager ever. < 1352030618 43280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best, and furious. < 1352030640 825663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Like the "Deb" part of the term Debian, it originates from the name of Debra, then girlfriend and now ex-wife of Debian's founder Ian Murdock." <- Heh, I did not know that. < 1352030659 552136 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1352030685 51475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be a nice reminder these days. < 1352030696 294331 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think about that the next time you unpack a deb file. < 1352030775 136963 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`anagram aptgetpacmanportage` < 1352030789 472234 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Carnage Gap Tempt Top < 1352030792 183595 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: anagram: not found < 1352030804 168999 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol < 1352030880 453099 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACGTT package manager < 1352030924 203518 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next step in linux evolution < 1352031063 854783 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`alias echo='echo $( echo )'; echo Test < 1352031067 235438 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: alias: not found < 1352031085 540265 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`yes < 1352031088 329704 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y < 1352031128 825542 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: abbreviated, it looks like a gene < 1352031158 238010 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Three letters for one aminoacid though < 1352031174 217693 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329d44.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352031216 10597 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the start of a gene? < 1352031841 559836 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 5/3 of a dipeptide < 1352031942 171605 :ogrom!del@176.46.2.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352031957 664249 :ogrom!del@176.46.2.220 QUIT :Client Quit < 1352032487 85802 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1..] < 1352032488 848425 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28... < 1352032494 461086 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329d44.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd < 1352032509 492829 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> concat $ map show [1..] < 1352032511 161003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "12345678910111213141516171819202122232425262728293031323334353637383940414... < 1352032535 899757 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "0.0" ++ concat $ map show [1..] < 1352032537 476518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[GHC.Types.Char]' < 1352032537 626846 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual ty... < 1352032544 856848 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "0.0" ++ (concat $ map show [1..]) < 1352032546 792863 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "0.012345678910111213141516171819202122232425262728293031323334353637383940... < 1352032574 428182 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look ma, an irrational number! < 1352032605 101834 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [show(sum$scanl div(100^n)[1..[4..]!!n])!!n|n<-[0..]] < 1352032608 17429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "27182818284590452353602874713526624977572470936999595749669676277240766303... < 1352032616 388504 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: 5/6? < 1352032758 877067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut up quintopia < 1352032765 931049 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1352032793 246667 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you heard me < 1352032815 114389 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont take orders, but feel free to explain your sudden hostility < 1352033366 368801 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fbe2.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352033525 148992 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: 5/3 < 1352033534 686605 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1352033537 488091 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said dipeptide < 1352033539 521933 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :5/6 then < 1352034368 307811 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1352035265 237128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352035880 244322 :nvt!nvt@kapsi.fi PART :#esoteric < 1352036583 195467 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1352037503 171450 :ogrom!del@176.46.2.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352037515 986267 :ogrom!del@176.46.2.220 QUIT :Client Quit < 1352037955 64191 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1352038551 511734 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fbe2.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1352039971 267852 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1352042127 389157 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352042401 851492 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ea2c.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352044577 564744 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1352045716 445106 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352045762 524468 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ea2c.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1352046606 140544 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :unity of gnome 3, which is the most screwed up GUI of the two? Hard to decide < 1352046625 777724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unity of Gnome 3" sounds fancy. < 1352046633 627428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also like a royal title. < 1352046660 104684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All kneel for His Highness Unity of Gnome 3. < 1352046672 977254 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or* < 1352046678 84519 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hah < 1352046734 619108 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :unity runs like shit on the laptop I'm upgrading to 12.04 anyway < 1352046744 866258 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pentium M with 512 MB RAM so not surprised < 1352046782 315067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 12.10 with LLVMPipe I'm sure it'd be BLAZING FAST. < 1352046783 681350 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: use lubuntu < 1352046805 551182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is lubuntu ubuntu for losers? < 1352046810 88674 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm considering switching to dwm < 1352046839 876980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are three leds of the switch blinking if I'm downloading a file? Two I'd get. < 1352046884 632816 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it is ubuntu with lxde < 1352046917 122141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an Enlightenment-Ubuntu too? Enbuntu? < 1352046944 177524 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lxde isn't a real de < 1352046945 845511 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you forgot about the NSA intercept port < 1352046954 382900 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a bunch of different things put together < 1352047029 815589 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, half of it was written for it < 1352047044 46561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember running Enlightenment... E14? Something like that. It was very impressive-looking. < 1352047051 443181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared to fvwm95 anyway. < 1352047053 228212 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I "like" how unity by default comes with 7 out of 10 icons being open office and the rest being pretty much indistinguishable other useless stuff < 1352047060 924064 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the magic button for accessing everything else < 1352047064 763016 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Vorpal: use lubuntu <-- uh... LXDE? < 1352047071 952640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fvwm95.sourceforge.net/screenshot-full.gif SO HOT < 1352047076 244080 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't tried that for years, but eh, didn't like it back then < 1352047077 162364 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. useful, but still indistinguishable) < 1352047107 296813 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, anyway the only reason I upgrade that laptop is so I can figure out all the issues before I upgrade my modern laptop < 1352047132 159168 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, other than that it is just used when I need a serial port < 1352047171 95873 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ah ok < 1352047189 698851 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :use gentoo < 1352047192 353381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, couldn't manage to convince pulseaudio (via pavucontrol) to make the laptop to mute the internal speakers while at the same time keeping the optical s/pdif jack unmuted. < 1352047235 41108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately the volume control doesn't (naturally) affect the s/pdif stream, so I could just turn the volume REAL LOW (but not quite to 0, that muted both) so that the internal speakers were inaudible. < 1352047242 759792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such an elegant solution. < 1352047301 500458 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pulseaudio - makes even alsa look good < 1352047303 481811 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtu.be/5Ro9yu6Jces?t=2m33s < 1352047333 209811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck pulseaudio < 1352047372 267590 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of its functionality belongs in the kernel, but despite that my experiences with it have been positive. < 1352047404 330824 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use oss < 1352047407 753911 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, http://toastytech.com/guis/ubuntu114dash.png < 1352047416 783761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you do nortti < 1352047448 403144 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never had any problems with it < 1352047493 988237 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 3 OOo icons, but 5 mysterious ones, plus the "home" thing that you somehow have to figure out is the way to access anything else < 1352047494 642145 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can *gasp* add and remove favorite programs to/from the sidebar. < 1352047553 366637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My experiences with PA have been really bland. It's worked well enough, and I like the way I can easily route different streams to different outputs without trying to figure out each program's well-hidden audio device configuration method, but sometimes there's things like the aforementioned. < 1352047560 582675 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the gods have deliberated and decided that the only things ubuntu systems are really used for is spreadsheets, presentations, and whatever the big "U" thing is < 1352047577 522095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's Ubuntu One, I'm pretty sure. < 1352047585 298371 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, whatever that is :) < 1352047586 524215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: See, it has a little "1" inside the U. < 1352047588 326796 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: What would be the better set of defaults? < 1352047618 698792 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: dunno, I think the big problem is that everything else is hidden < 1352047683 574483 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The home thing is an equally big button on the top of the sidebar nowadays. That’s an old screenshot. < 1352047717 855336 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is “everything hidden” in Windows™ because it’s available from the button in the bottom left corner? http://www.activewin.com/screenshots/windows7/Peek%20-%20After.png < 1352047745 215155 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it, these days? I thought they got rid of that in 8. < 1352047759 542883 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is “everything” hidden in OSX because it’s available from one of the buttons in the bottom panel? http://www.guidebookgallery.org/pics/gui/desktop/empty/macosx102.png < 1352047788 709096 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is “everything hidden” in Windows™ because it’s available from the button in the bottom left corner? http://www.activewin.com/screenshots/windows7/Peek%20-%20After.png <-- what happened there? < 1352047791 888475 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks strange < 1352047807 338557 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://windows7themes.net/wp-content/gallery/windows-8-screenshots/Windows_8_screenshot.png < 1352047833 606350 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, that isn't metro though < 1352047850 633201 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's no such thing as Metro nowdays either. < 1352047863 329798 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, whatever they changed the name to then < 1352047876 832185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Modern UI". < 1352047885 85704 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol what < 1352047886 965545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly "Windows 8". < 1352047891 588090 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1352047917 135755 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it "Windows 8 style user experience" ? < 1352047923 250340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "Microsoft design language" in place of "Metro design language". < 1352047924 632591 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a row of icons without text or a search box are both really bad ways to find stuff < 1352047930 876401 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... what both the start menu and mac's application thingy have (last time I checked) is that they give you a big list/grid of everything you can do < 1352047964 41995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI, it's "Start screen" now, and it's full of "tiles". < 1352048003 875704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the tiles are also "live". < 1352048009 569901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They're "made of people"?) < 1352048019 887111 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get the big list and the search box by clicking on the big Ubuntu logo on the top. There are tooltips for everything in the vertical panel. < 1352048040 341613 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tooltips are useless < 1352048065 780406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a Charms bar in 8. < 1352048074 286597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Start. Get to your Start screen. Or if you're already on Start, you can use this charm to go back to the last app you were in." < 1352048082 627049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very charming. < 1352048095 511809 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t see text in the OSX dock or the Windows quick launcher either. < 1352048139 394252 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor do they contain a search bar. < 1352048208 298593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1352048211 107930 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hi! < 1352048219 759213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1352048219 974253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1352048260 44502 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, keyboard recommendations? I need a new one. Something ergonomic and not ultra flat. Nothing crazy like the data hand though :P < 1352048286 68188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: depends what you mean by ergonomic & your budget < 1352048289 3574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: POWER GLOVE. < 1352048323 579562 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: model m? < 1352048330 876837 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: however take a look at http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/keyboards.htm < 1352048336 610196 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, budget, up to approx 150 USD or so. Not a sharp line < 1352048341 551845 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: they use cherry brown switches < 1352048356 398667 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, and ergonomic: my hands must stop hurting, they are hurting from the temp keyboard I'm using atm < 1352048364 724946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least the advantage ones do < 1352048376 48517 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear good only things about them but haven't used them mind you < 1352048388 837948 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so something that means your wrists can be straight lines. I really liked the old MS Comfort Curve keyboards, but the modern one appears to be ultra flat < 1352048399 838577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinesis advantage is great < 1352048401 681137 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: true, the quick launchers don't have text on any os ... but the menu/thing you get to display all applications is usually useful in !unity :) < 1352048412 904342 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas unity apparently requires me to Search for whatever I want (and I won't know exactly what it's called until after I find it) < 1352048413 516015 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, issue: game keybindings appear to be weird on that < 1352048419 989051 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, also how long does it take to get used ot < 1352048421 107471 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :to* < 1352048423 423264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very long < 1352048425 376365 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1352048432 26537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that's the one i linked btw < 1352048442 963069 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, yeah it is loading < 1352048451 295587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your hands hurt and you use qwerty i also suggest switching to a better layout < 1352048452 370906 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sell an "advanced" "reprogrammable" version but i suspect it does nothing you cannot do more easily in software < 1352048454 445888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will take longer < 1352048469 741332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: btw model m is pretty much ergonomically terrible < 1352048481 637561 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, possible, but my hands never hurt with qwerty except on straight traditional keyboards. < 1352048513 995156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'd say it all matters < 1352048519 391312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you only need one or the other change < 1352048522 956400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but both could be better long-term < 1352048541 35934 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, since I'm really wide at the shoulders, the small keyboard area of a traditional PC keyboard basically means I need to angle my wrists quite a bit < 1352048549 402416 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why a curved keyboard is better < 1352048549 545661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had this experience of changing one thing, and then my hands would eventually start to hurt again, and repeat < 1352048552 838978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1352048564 271087 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The per-category installed applications browser isn’t *that* bad, but i admit it could be better. < 1352048566 866107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also look out for awkwardly placed keys that you use often < 1352048571 116505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one great thing about the kinesis < 1352048576 646354 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, oh? < 1352048581 241524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if kinesis sold an advantage keyboard with topre switches i'd buy it < 1352048585 375350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd cost like $9999999 though < 1352048592 552276 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: maybe it is, but I haven't seen it... how do you find it? < 1352048601 995026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/images/kb_adv-blk720x471.jpg note the two thumb clusters < 1352048609 249058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: anyway the advantage is $299 rather than $150 though maybe you can get a deal on it somewhere or buy a second-hand one < 1352048614 282112 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, hm yeah < 1352048615 883557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those have ctrl, alt, backspace, delete, home, end, enter, space, etc < 1352048630 325539 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i seriously doubt you will find a keyboard that (a) has good switches and (b) a non-traditional layout for cheap though < 1352048636 688539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though e.g. i had to bind a second escape key < 1352048639 928031 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause i use vim < 1352048650 758060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recently learned about https://github.com/alols/xcape which lets you use capslock as ctrl and capslock as esc at the same time < 1352048660 492294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll switch over to that < 1352048661 907710 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, two questions: have you used it with 1) emacs 2) various modern games? < 1352048662 101698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw if anyone ever has lots of money < 1352048666 208383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please buy me a datahand < 1352048674 686147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much of either < 1352048685 806307 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinesis seems pretty good for emacs < 1352048696 713310 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl and alt are on opposite sides < 1352048700 498130 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Click on the applications tab in the dash or hit Windows-A and select “Filter results” if it’s not open already. < 1352048700 653098 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can go higher than $150 sure < 1352048702 735749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another example, on my laptop keyboard there's this awkward 3-key combination i hit all the time < 1352048710 717047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm trying to train myself to use the opposite hand for one of the keys (shift) < 1352048715 262936 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can ctrl-alt-shift < 1352048721 383095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to pay attention to that stuff < 1352048721 837282 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, one issue is that how will I know without trying it < 1352048727 283590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn hjkl for vim instead of using arrow keys < 1352048727 941292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1352048730 137108 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a lot of keyboard shops around here < 1352048734 879388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well you won't < 1352048741 307369 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, could be costly thus < 1352048751 691277 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, this is what i see when i hit the Windows™ key or click on the top button in the launcher. It displays the recent applications and files and focuses in the search bar. http://i.imgur.com/VX74S.jpg < 1352048756 31409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you could sell it on ebay or something < 1352048758 759273 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if I knew I would like it I wouldn't hesitate to spend $700, but... < 1352048762 502966 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrow keys work while in insert mode though < 1352048764 904590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's $700? < 1352048768 500529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yeah < 1352048771 477530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i still use them sometimes < 1352048773 493662 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, money? < 1352048775 459808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :datahand is over $700 i think < 1352048778 868140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Vorpal was just using a hyperbolic figure < 1352048781 207826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i thought you meant the kinesis advantage < 1352048784 218286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is like $250 < 1352048786 330729 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you know about the datahand < 1352048786 797794 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is still crazy < 1352048788 130645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1352048794 119501 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I doubt I would like datahand though < 1352048798 310996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah this thing < 1352048801 586502 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/8559/dhhandinunitof2.jpg < 1352048804 627489 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: oh, but that's the search thingy, is that the same as the applications tab? < 1352048808 662715 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you flick really light magnetic switches to type < 1352048816 7204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even does mouse input < 1352048845 165601 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It’s the button next to the activated home button in the bottom of the windowish thingy. Windows™-A opens it directly. < 1352048857 503011 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I doubt it is very good for playing an FPS with though. Which I sometimes do. < 1352048867 763818 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Hold down the Windows™ key to see the list of keyboard shortcuts. < 1352048880 555548 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about MS natural keyboards? < 1352048889 431597 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about the modern ones < 1352048890 338211 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: how you sit and where your keyboard is are also super important < 1352048900 595191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know much about that < 1352048901 248958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: here are videos of crazy people using a kinesis advantage https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=kinesis+advantage < 1352048962 466731 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want DataHand , but it’s insanely expensive. < 1352048982 413467 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm sure it can be good if you get used to it, but it is a expensive investment and I'm not purely a typist, so it still need to work for other stuff, such as playing games. < 1352048992 941576 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: hmm, so unity could've avoided most of my rage just by making a different tab of the search thingy open by default? < 1352048996 512024 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so hrrm < 1352049009 824082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i work at a 7 person company and we have 2 people with the kinesis advantage keyboard < 1352049018 536116 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the other guy (not me) has the foot pedals as well < 1352049027 37430 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Perhaps. I’ve been happy with the default. < 1352049029 245603 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what do the foot pedals do? < 1352049038 609027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can map them to any keypress or macro < 1352049049 560632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well kinesis advantage is just a regular keyboard with a gap... I guess it is bad if you have a game whose shortcuts spill over to the right hand side but you could just rebind those? < 1352049053 464750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, hey I already have some Saitek rudder pedals < 1352049056 734900 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1352049062 691089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I haven't seen any ergonomic-as-in-curved-a-bit keyboards with good switches < 1352049068 636239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should build a crazy foot keyboard to one-up him < 1352049100 868507 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can't rebind everything usually. Look at minecraft for example, can't rebind 1-0 for quick slots < 1352049101 296263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: kinesis sell other keyboards: http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/max-spec.htm http://www.kinesis-ergo.com/freestyle2.htm but idk what switches they use < 1352049115 667992 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can rebind things at the OS level if nothing else < 1352049136 94479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or buy the reprogrammable ~kinesis advantage pro~ for only $359! but wait, there's more!! < 1352049142 646846 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The award winning Kinesis Maxim adjustable ergonomic computer keyboard is the only ergonomic keyboard licensed to use the Microsoft "combo" USB/PS2 technology" <-- lol what < 1352049185 546861 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't we all be using chording keyboards by now < 1352049190 92212 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hrrm, no numpads? oh well < 1352049198 172383 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: numpads are awful anyway :p < 1352049203 323782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the advantage pro but it wasn't $359 < 1352049206 383149 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, except for nethack ;) < 1352049219 280665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: hjklyubn < 1352049223 18144 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1352049225 980675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my #1 complaint with the kinesis is no nipple pointer < 1352049238 722055 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, a track point would have been nice yes < 1352049272 694928 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:13 < kmc> shouldn't we all be using chording keyboards by now // I am building one < 1352049281 463452 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway since I would need to learn to touch type again with something like the advantage... can you get them with Swedish layouts? < 1352049311 247241 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i started building one too < 1352049325 435305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally i would mold clay or something to match the resting shape of my hands < 1352049343 67707 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, so a home built datahand? < 1352049345 866789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1352049353 985161 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what? < 1352049360 853595 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keyboard layouts are fully OS-dependent, as long as the keys have all the right shape < 1352049374 278098 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for starters the resting shape would be gripping a vertical rod, not flat horizontally < 1352049388 39606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be a chording keyboard, not a datahand type < 1352049400 880173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a single switch for each finger < 1352049409 557681 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i doubt you can get them with other layouts but you shouldn't be looking at the keyboard if you are learning to touch type anyway :P < 1352049429 740959 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, useful to learn where the key is at all I guess < 1352049430 552938 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want one of those keyboards with blank keycaps < 1352049444 602341 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i really doubt the adjustment period is that bad, though... if not for the space between the two sides it would just be a regular keyboard with a slope < 1352049457 352609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: don't buy a das keyboard < 1352049473 566491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes you a real ninja rockstar < 1352049482 373049 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you won't have enought combos for alphabet+numbers < 1352049484 126805 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the stuff under the thumbs is different but eh < 1352049501 84088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2**10 < 1352049502 606160 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1024.0 < 1352049504 776898 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can buy label-less replacement keycaps from places < 1352049518 219514 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, where is alt on the advantage? < 1352049519 688020 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ah. you are making 2 hand one? < 1352049523 483468 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Switching keycaps around would be a pain < 1352049523 805341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: it would be, yeah < 1352049531 486103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: clear solution is to switch to colemak simultaneously < 1352049538 620311 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1352049542 153017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe one hand, plus another hand that is basically a mouse or trackball but has a few other keyboard modifiers < 1352049544 207813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: less of a pain than typing on a keyboard as low-quality as das keyboard < 1352049553 520558 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :My only requirement is that the keyboard is the standard big-enter layout < 1352049557 347479 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No small enter please < 1352049557 509384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's better-quality than your average rubber dome probably but it's really bad < 1352049564 232646 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, yeah! < 1352049570 379236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: it's on the thumb cluster < 1352049571 995247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them < 1352049577 235450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine are all remapped < 1352049587 904314 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1352049590 888594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think alt isn't but i don't use it very much < 1352049591 41680 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i would be unable to use an advantage because my hands are too small and i wouldn't be able to use the thumb bits < 1352049592 580696 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have a model m but it broke < 1352049601 995328 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a DIM one anyway < 1352049610 18949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my housemate has a pckeyboard model m successor < 1352049613 671953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really really loud < 1352049620 602173 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I am building 1 handed one with state 2 state switch keys that thumb can access < 1352049624 817736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is one floor above me right now and it sounds like machine gun fire < 1352049631 119206 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think model m is overrated < 1352049633 811807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1352049636 775943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the switches are way too heavy < 1352049636 823044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had one for a while < 1352049646 262703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :first an original m and then a pckeyboard one < 1352049651 848982 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :model m is nice but not as nice as some say < 1352049664 334546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they feel satisfying to use but they aren't really ergonomic in any sense < 1352049687 632813 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so if I would go for something that wasn't such a huge investment, what about a MS natural keyboard, they are certainly cheaper. And the older models at least were quite comfortable < 1352049698 687333 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of key caps do they have < 1352049699 306858 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIN* < 1352049704 604018 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not DIM =P < 1352049718 178616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIM a From 1 To 10 < 1352049743 572191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway yeah i think having a good chair and desk is at least as important as having a good keyboard < 1352049762 498244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i fail at these things < 1352049763 584781 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: aren't those rubber dome < 1352049771 352657 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is what I'm wondering < 1352049775 562625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't really in good conscience recommend a rubber dome keyboard even though i'm typing on one right now < 1352049787 735630 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think microsoft make the best mice, well traditional mice at least. Never liked trackballs and such < 1352049807 936152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm typing on a thinkpad keyboard right now, which is a scissor mechanism above a rubber dome < 1352049814 130764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pretty good as far as laptop keyboards go < 1352049818 66584 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1352049819 507754 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: microsoft mice are just rebranded logitech mice < 1352049840 80035 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear the new one (island layout) is also very good, but i am fearful that they've screwed it all up massively < 1352049844 152011 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, hm, pretty sure they use a different outer shell too? < 1352049854 917083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it's true that the internal mechanism of the "classic" keyboard did change all the time < 1352049859 333314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.trulyergonomic.com/store/index.php this uses cherry switches apparentlt < 1352049860 534538 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*apparently < 1352049862 527694 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that layout is wack tho < 1352049870 681652 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw fuck colemak < 1352049877 971758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and it's $229 < 1352049880 98740 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with colemak < 1352049881 154212 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, lol, that looks crazy < 1352049885 185088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of being 50% qwerty < 1352049889 636443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you still need to relearn how to type < 1352049891 252593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: thats not the design goal of colemak < 1352049892 785946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :common misconception < 1352049895 197493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dvoark is more standard, it's in every OS < 1352049898 372335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, what is it then < 1352049901 881684 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, the logitech mice I used haven't been nearly as good as my "Microsoft Comfort Optical Mouse 3000" < 1352049914 609838 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, which Logitech mouse is that based on then < 1352049917 68156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: looking at that trulyergonomic keyboard makes me feel like i'm drunk < 1352049933 240041 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know how to use one handed dvorak on linux? < 1352049947 621141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well "easy to learn for qwerty typers" is one of the goals I think but I hear it actually fares better than Dvorak < 1352049949 218993 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. "According to carpalx, which is the most extensive research on keyboard layouts done so far, Colemak wins over Dvorak and QWERTY in all different typing effort models." < 1352049962 502627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1352049969 246942 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: also one of the reasons for the qwerty closeness is to make common computer shortcuts less awful to type compared to dvorak it seems < 1352049980 885379 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that that quote is from the colemak site so it's obviously biased but i don't see any reason the study itself (http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/) would be biased) < 1352050009 260406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://colemak.com/wiki/index.php?title=FAQ#What.27s_wrong_with_the_Dvorak_layout.3F < 1352050020 878953 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i switched from qwerty it would probably be to colemak < 1352050024 342908 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt i can be bothered any time soon though < 1352050029 783002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this carpalx thing based on actual science (e.g. human physiology) < 1352050062 114724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it one of those "i'm a programmer therefore i must be an expert in all fields" things < 1352050069 246128 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: RTFA http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/?keyboard_evaluation < 1352050081 286927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was looking for that < 1352050099 619760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where are the citations < 1352050104 319123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mkweb.bcgsc.ca/carpalx/?worst_layout < 1352050107 559257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should switch to TNWMLC < 1352050120 955035 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm staying with qwerty < 1352050137 49992 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only word that's awkward for me to type on a qwerty keyboard is qwerty itself < 1352050139 259763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so that FAQ does say "The main problem with Dvorak is that it's too difficult and frustrating to learn for existing QWERTY typists because it's so different from QWERTY." < 1352050173 421828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Placing 'L' on the QWERTY 'P' position causes excessive strain on the right pinky.' what? i hit that key with the ring finger < 1352050173 469901 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but then it says other things < 1352050177 800143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the pinky would be absurd < 1352050182 712343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe for people with much smaller hands < 1352050223 76730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :advantages of colemak: you can type "arse" on the home row < 1352050242 98032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"'F' is on the QWERTY 'Y' position which is a difficult stretch on normal keyboards." so? f is an uncommon key < 1352050247 590765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something will be hard to hit < 1352050257 817322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i can type shithead < 1352050295 746073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i don't doubt that colemak has some advantages (and dvorak some) but i've never seen anything to outweigh the fact that dvorak is already installed on most computers in the world and i can sit down and switch to it with 15 seconds of effort < 1352050345 799009 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But on a qwerty you can type arse with your left hand < 1352050351 996570 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it so hard to find info how to use one-handed dvorak on linux? < 1352050389 297580 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Because not many people do that maybe < 1352050391 444244 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like using my pinky for typing is excessive stress. < 1352050453 541701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah this carpalx thing has a big complicated model, with zero citations to any existing literature or any empirical studies of the suitability of that model < 1352050457 509870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are programmers so bad at science < 1352050488 492031 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programmers have this idea that if you can measure it, you should optimize it. < 1352050497 795475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they can't measure it! < 1352050500 101627 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And damn the notion that you need to optimize things you actually want to be optimal. < 1352050506 440544 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a metric. < 1352050507 814060 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How big is your sample of programmers? < 1352050509 289258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, they are measuring some completely pulled-out-of-ass thing < 1352050511 821278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: c.c < 1352050519 359826 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether or not the metric is relevant is not necessary. :) < 1352050532 471763 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a metric, now to optimize for it. < 1352050545 86606 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody wants the optimal solution, the most optimized solution is where it's at. < 1352050552 890046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1352050553 24705 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. the one which took longest to optimize. < 1352050568 802024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonus points if you use something fancy like genetic algorithm even where a simple gradient descent would suffice < 1352050577 1167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently this guy invented port knocking < 1352050581 350755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug < 1352050592 860641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fine idea that i'm sure many people have thought of < 1352050715 542250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was young i coded a GA in Perl to figure out how to most efficiently burn all my pirated music and tv shows onto CD-Rs < 1352050746 406514 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1352050858 552530 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, this datahand thing - is it actually a good idea to minimize hand/finger movement? < 1352050860 418031 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4046c.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352050958 401183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, why were you burning them to cd-rs < 1352050972 355086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was this in, like, the early 70s < 1352051056 614359 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CD-Rs didn't appear until the late 80s, and burners cost thousands of dollars until the mid-90s < 1352051226 436425 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now people just buy a bunch of 3TB HDDs and put everything on them < 1352051246 362812 :Guest57845!~StackOwne@54.Red-81-44-222.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352051457 611250 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1352052585 292252 :Guest57845!~StackOwne@54.Red-81-44-222.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net QUIT : < 1352053281 110922 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1352053290 644531 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1352053290 956333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1352053300 275311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1352053520 992340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yeah i just bought 6 of those < 1352053610 360758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does seem extravagent but having random access to everything without thinking is pretty useful < 1352053673 582131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i used CD-Rs because i was a kid and didn't have money for extravagences like DVD burning < 1352053678 140512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i did get a DVD burner eventually < 1352053705 11440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i had an MP3-CD player < 1352053773 525166 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, I only have two eSATA ports though < 1352053785 543512 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hm two USB3 < 1352053819 789316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get external enclosures that use multiple drives and plug into a single eSATA port < 1352053833 685375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MP3-CD players were the best < 1352053851 298295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at a time when a nice flash-based MP3 player had 64MB of storage < 1352053853 547257 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funnily enough, I have never owned a DVD burner. < 1352053867 659859 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I own a late 90s CD burner still. I use it maybe once a year, if not less. < 1352053868 681040 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I have one in my current computer < 1352053877 730616 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hotswappable HDD bay < 1352053878 652153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We used to go over to Tallinn to buy DVD-R's; a lot cheaper there, partially due to them not having this extra tax-like "renumeration for private copying" price they add to all empty media, and I think hard drives and such too these days. < 1352053878 960855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could fit 10x that on a CD-R that cost 50¢ < 1352053881 245623 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a DVD-RAM device in my laptop < 1352053886 101649 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still *works* is the amazing bit. < 1352053888 64971 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, hm that would work < 1352053894 123357 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does a whole 12x. < 1352053897 731488 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4x on CD-RW) < 1352053906 997573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did they sell them duty-free on the ferry < 1352053918 374171 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, but what about DVD reader? < 1352053920 380898 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have that? < 1352053930 610243 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I have a DVD-ROM drive. < 1352053948 392227 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVD-RAM? < 1352053951 675480 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1352053967 147752 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I mostly use the DVD drive for CD ripping. (what, so I like FLAC) < 1352053967 452795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352053980 742232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sadly, not that I know; you had to go to a shop on land. (We went to some really obscure "abandoned warehouse"-style-atmosphere place someone had heard of.) < 1352054015 830097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1352054041 14759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had this really sketchy traveling computer show in Iowa that would set up shop for a week in the livestock showing barn at the faregrounds < 1352054048 893966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have about 80% unused of the last stack of 50 "PRINCO" brand DVD-R's I got there. < 1352054126 754260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Iowa LAN parties were great < 1352054145 995323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people would come from all over the state, from rural places that had really crappy dial-up or satellite Internet < 1352054149 45259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they would come to play games < 1352054161 951697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they would *also* come to run KaZaA in the background at full speed < 1352054177 235139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :downloading as much warez and porn as possible over 24 hours < 1352054188 548634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and share it locally as well < 1352054240 397111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Downloading lots of stuff was quite a large part of the Assembly experience too, back before broadband days. Nowadays it's just not so exciting. :/ < 1352054316 268348 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1352054353 101764 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to go to a demoparty < 1352054423 440110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones I've been to don't exactly have much qualifications for participation, except for having enough money for the ticket. < 1352054438 4098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it doesn't sound like it should be a problem. < 1352054504 275232 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting there in the first place would be the problem for me < 1352054610 597583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did you live again? Sweden? < 1352054672 497149 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352054701 458417 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1352055245 68203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, the "copying-renumeration-tax" for a single DVD is 0.60 EUR; that's kind of much when the actual price is something like 0.20 EUR/disc. (Price calculated from the first 100-disc spindle from newegg; is perhaps representative.) < 1352055727 818813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, that is outrageous < 1352055733 973716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know they had that in not-US < 1352055740 649708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it makes sense because the US writes copyright law for the rest of the world < 1352055818 683738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We started it in 1984; the US apparently in 1992. < 1352055824 434058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And Germany in 1960s.) < 1352055828 831127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with tape?? < 1352055849 367633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it used to be called "kasettimaksu". < 1352055856 832631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1352055861 464147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :home taping is killing music! < 1352055867 581221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applied to C cassettes and VHS tapes, I believe. < 1352055902 957483 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help < 1352055909 182340 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a cigar < 1352055921 367423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently in Finland it also applies to just regular external USB HDs, no matter what you're going to be storing there; 9 EUR for 50-250 GB; 12 EUR for 250-1000 GB; 18 EUR for > 1 TB. < 1352055924 632690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're gonna go far < 1352055942 381673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're gonna fly high, you're never gonna die you're gonna make it if you try they're gonna *love* you < 1352055945 466525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it does not apply if you buy a external USB HD chassis and a regular SATA drive separately.) < 1352055947 255352 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Re. the DVDs: fi.wikipedia says the tax is 74% of the price < 1352055955 840236 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: help < 1352055982 856276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I think they've changed the numbers; those are from 2007. < 1352056000 740113 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, 74%!? < 1352056003 357817 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is insane < 1352056005 565615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The 0.60 EUR/disc came from http://www.tulli.fi/fi/suomen_tulli/julkaisut_ja_esitteet/kasikirjat/rajoituskasikirja/liitetiedostot/hyvitysmaksu.pdf that's dated December 2011. < 1352056029 960884 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's correct, the 2007 bit is just for the price of the disc without the tax < 1352056091 423611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The latest is http://www.hyvitysmaksu.fi/teosto/hymysivut.nsf/0/0f085260b8604de9c22573b1003c22ec/$FILE/Asetus2012_FI.pdf and it too says 0.60 EUR per disc. < 1352056104 584973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Unlike fi.wikipedia, which claims 0.73. < 1352056116 996045 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It says "arvonlisäveroineen", and 0.6 * 1.22 is ~0.73 < 1352056121 79696 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I'm with kmc on this. < 1352056126 948519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Oh; right, then. < 1352056144 924328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: why do you have a cigar < 1352056147 504476 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Although shouldn't it be 1.23 these days? In which case it's off by a cent < 1352056159 716086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I think it should, yes. < 1352056160 480389 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless they're rounding down; whatever < 1352056173 322674 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's not all that important. < 1352056182 504520 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, the non-tax price of a disc is probably lower so it's probablby more than 74% these days. < 1352056186 76243 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-b < 1352056250 265332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: As mentioned, my first hit for a 100-disc spindle from abroad was 0.20 EUR/disc. I'm sure you could find cheaper too. < 1352056270 325154 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352056285 532765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or 24.99 USD / 100 discs, to be exact; it maps to something pretty close.) < 1352056293 448923 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ironic birthday present < 1352056302 117937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Sometimes it's just a cigar. < 1352056348 881528 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it ironic? < 1352056350 183722 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: They cite (a broken link to) mbnet's hintaseuranta, which would probably have a bit higher price due to the cost of importing. (I don't know how they found a tax-free price there, though.) < 1352056365 567139 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is atriq a tee-totaller? < 1352056369 380417 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the box say it's actually a pipe? < 1352056369 538351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do they have computers in Finland < 1352056380 493322 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: :D < 1352056387 301846 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, nah, I just don't like the smell of tobacco < 1352056390 697886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've heard there's, like, five. < 1352056395 486958 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or alcohol < 1352056398 627555 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, they have konnpyuuta. < 1352056402 635883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'irony' means "bad ideas done on purpose" these days < 1352056421 312560 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm effectively teetotal, but it's personal preference, not ideological < 1352056432 402152 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I like wine on occassion < 1352056436 401040 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a guy in my analysis class who smokes a pipe < 1352056451 907387 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Yeah, there's a rather big difference between "don't like it" and "I am morally opposed". :) < 1352056453 167877 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he looks quite dashing but i always gag when he walks past < 1352056477 126604 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone I know got ironically given a pipe for his birthday < 1352056515 553811 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a fried who claimed to be a teetotaller because he was only drinking a little < 1352056517 358146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i wonder if i should take up smoking e-cigarettes < 1352056525 636571 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Silly. < 1352056580 388279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a couple with some... things, that I think were e-cigarettes; they looked really scifi, and suspicious, and I'm still not quite sure what was up there. < 1352056614 551582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah "electronic cigarettes" sounds like something a lazy sci-fi writer would invent to sound more future-y < 1352056619 846383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They didn't look like regular cigarettes, which I understand some (many?) attempt to look like. < 1352056624 855646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :digital water < 1352056631 389728 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352056632 433561 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :digital bath < 1352056651 266125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they kind of looked like light saber handles from Star Wars. Except they kept smoking them. < 1352056654 195076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the effects of nicotine on occasion, but i don't want to smoke tobacco < 1352056655 325580 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cig-e-rettes < 1352056699 362853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i owned a vape i should have tried vaping tobacco in it < 1352056714 921238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what an e-cig is basically < 1352056726 668354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i wonder if you can make e-joints by analogy < 1352056736 290190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :temperature needs to be adjusted < 1352056736 338470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A combination lightsaber/e-cigarette: good idea, or best idea? (Just remember which end is which.) < 1352056761 936879 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how would they work, these e-cigs? < 1352056773 726340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think electricity is involved. < 1352056786 40785 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is tobacco still involved? < 1352056801 27102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as far as I know. < 1352056810 59859 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1352056817 722653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really, you're asking a guy who's still not sure whether the only ones I've seen were e-cigs or lightsabers. < 1352056835 204962 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1352056836 196565 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1352056841 630297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just vaporises something, I know that much. < 1352056848 233780 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well both do that yeah < 1352056868 503085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, perhaps the combined model can share some parts. < 1352056877 914404 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that lightsabers are lightsaber-handle-sized and e-cigs are cigarette-sized, it should be fairly easy to tell them apart < 1352056897 113598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it vaporizes 'a propylene glycol- or glycerin- or polyethylene glycol-based liquid solution ' < 1352056913 410147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Maybe they've made thinner handles these days. Anyway, they weren't made up like fake cigarettes. < 1352056936 865695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically everything fizzie says is made up < 1352056958 776271 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK fizzie but you're going to look like a right tit if you're trying to smoke a lightsabre handle < 1352056964 307487 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, and that gives the same result as nicotine? < 1352056985 687219 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably, the solution contains nicotine < 1352056987 127768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, it contains nicotine, so... yes. < 1352056991 631117 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1352056991 916636 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's a flaw in Clojure that I thought of, but I may have mentioned it before < 1352057010 353449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: i don't think you've ever mentioned Clojure here, actually < 1352057028 718649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that wikipedia article, it's so encyclopædic: "Newer e cigarettes are using the two piece design now. You now have a battery and a disposable cartomizer. The old three piece method was bad because the cartridge did not hold much "e-juice" and the atomizers were burning up after one or two refills. With the new two piece you get a better "throat hit" and plenty of vapor." < 1352057058 2364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tone is *exactly* like, say, Encyclopædia Britannica. < 1352057081 831789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.thedailychronic.net/2012/8422/thc-e-cig-goes-to-market/ < 1352057090 912647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :encyclopædophile < 1352057227 407444 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :derpyclopædia < 1352057340 33141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually find it remarkable how consistent the tone is on wikipedia < 1352057353 14069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :given the number of editors < 1352057360 6978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some aberrations like this article, of course < 1352057398 45102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly people converge to a shared style in a way that's almost creepy < 1352057409 545178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the mind control, I'd say. < 1352057418 689972 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another explanation is that there are many authors but few editors; people add content and then the core editors massage the style < 1352057424 11592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think what they had were maybe something a tiny bit like http://unlimitedecigs.com/store/products/mega-ego-ce5-e-cigarette although I didn't really get a close look. < 1352057432 440549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i think is supported by the data on edits < 1352057443 996842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that thing has some slight lightsabreish vibes in there. < 1352057449 403592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at one point http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elektrichka was less of an encyclopedia article and more a guide on how to ride trains without paying < 1352057464 384363 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i would buy that thing just for how cool it looks < 1352057486 357200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rode a suburban train in riga without paying so maybe i've been dog-riding < 1352057539 271476 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no kmc, you've been train-riding < 1352057547 32015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the differences are at once subtle and glaring < 1352057605 631282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in warszawa the gap between train and platform was like 30 cm or more, wtf < 1352057632 129214 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the more space to get out if you fall down! < 1352057657 557353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trains are scary < 1352057667 8211 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: including 2 MEGA EGO batteries, nice < 1352057681 279981 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Just in case you're having ego problems. < 1352057725 978072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you can have one of 14 different colors for that middle translucent bit, too. < 1352057740 538092 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know if you're running low on ego? < 1352057763 533370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a handy scale printed on top of the EGO-CE5 Cartomizer. < 1352057782 225870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also available in 14 different colors!) < 1352057792 883733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, red bull flavored nicotine liquid < 1352057796 152711 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just what i've always wanted < 1352057999 178988 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of like the taste of Red Bull, I think < 1352058010 65512 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although only had Red Bull twice < 1352058016 693005 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was on a train today < 1352058216 659322 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cemented my hatred of sports people today < 1352058338 394153 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352058465 373134 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any in particular? < 1352058470 512267 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in general < 1352058578 778836 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fashionably geeky to point out your distaste for sports and its followers < 1352058704 882730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: how is your os < 1352058786 879578 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how's @? < 1352058824 913035 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember @ < 1352058892 236011 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: better than your os < 1352059207 90876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sports people"? < 1352059214 385650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: what kind of train? < 1352059218 146154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the track gauge < 1352059234 398367 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352059242 471044 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-146-117.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1352059282 742172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How much does this building weigh?" is a standard question to ask on the company excursions organized by the CS student "guild"/organization. < 1352059302 720429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how many times there's been a serious answer. < 1352059320 881951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ham! < 1352059389 445443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 3. < 1352059396 753175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 decibuildings < 1352059399 548093 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It weighs 1 Biru < 1352059415 893717 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should organize your excursions to happen after the group of students who study the calculation of weights of buildings < 1352059595 601433 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how fashionably geeky to point out your distaste for sports and its followers < 1352059604 898768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey now i'm cool with sports and its followers < 1352059608 971323 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sports people i hate < 1352059625 644937 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what do you mean with sports people? < 1352059636 860826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, sports people < 1352059642 601771 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, like athletes? or sport nerds? < 1352059643 497430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people who are always jogging everywhere < 1352059647 991961 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are in permanent tracksuits < 1352059649 220596 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaah < 1352059651 597812 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :those < 1352059652 794378 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1352059664 832158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and emanate an aura of condescending motivation < 1352059686 393301 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, also walking with ski poles or whatever they are called in English < 1352059695 196235 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm wearing a jokey science shirt < 1352059697 699823 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I scum? < 1352059704 875269 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "Science gives me a hadron" < 1352059731 65183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you're just bad < 1352059752 129642 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my analysis teachers seems to make a point of coming in in novelty t-shirts < 1352059766 486329 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only noticed it a week or so ago though < 1352059799 83079 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I often wear a Homestuck shirt < 1352059804 180734 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so what is your opinion about people using ski poles when walking? < 1352059809 898628 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/about/on/ < 1352059821 858312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good shirt < 1352059838 662869 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but do you wear a homestuck skirt/ < 1352059842 542526 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it has similar origins to my cigar < 1352059845 966355 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, would if I coulsd < 1352059848 348584 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* could < 1352059889 5384 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a shirt from nasa with some terribly-typeset equations for escape velocity on it as a gift < 1352059921 943001 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always get told i look stupid when i wear it though < 1352059947 596974 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haters gonna hate < 1352059954 901450 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I just said that < 1352059957 454371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1352059958 69336 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost unironically < 1352059958 118211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1352059964 832179 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck me indeed < 1352059980 589434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you weren't into that sort of thing < 1352059995 813896 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did I < 1352060002 358271 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Tumblr is doing bad things to me < 1352060002 991653 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1352060034 398310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haters gonna make some valid points < 1352060051 88810 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm gonna suscribe to the Haskell tag < 1352060058 301880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow man maybe you should leave tumblr alone if it's going to change your sexuality < 1352060255 517212 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You pervosexual! < 1352060260 775191 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1352060516 741930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirdophile < 1352060716 713972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Do you suppose those people that do architecture do that kind of thing? < 1352060724 474613 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no idea < 1352060734 221436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got a department of that. < 1352060745 647624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And maybe some other kind of building engineering thing. < 1352060882 322350 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1352060900 637897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Master’s Programme in Structural Engineering provides students with a solid knowledge of structural engineering and mechanics, building physics, ageing and life time management of structures, construction economics and management as well as building materials technology, foundation engineering or building services technology." < 1352060917 327436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't sound too far off. < 1352060943 466931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Sadly, the companies selected for the excursions tend to differ.) < 1352061106 891249 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: these fireworks are lam < 1352061107 975985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: these fireworks are lame < 1352061129 723606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually all fireworks are lame so that is not saying much < 1352061130 935651 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence �(lam -> �lame) < 1352061179 316972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, possibly you are not the best person to evaluate firework quality then < 1352061242 584424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : actually all fireworks are lame so that is not saying much <-- yeah, they are kind of cool the first time, but the novelty quickly fades < 1352061308 243816 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fireworks in hexham? < 1352061339 452478 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the inhabitants of hexham have given up and are trying to blow the whole thing up < 1352061584 450884 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the city of Roppiki Buta. < 1352061630 569551 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ro'hîki hùta) < 1352061662 837877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no some fireworks are fucking sweet < 1352061666 179391 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously elliott has never seen proper fireworks < 1352061679 36262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the one at the end of the fringe < 1352062425 752851 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1352062515 318520 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: six pigs? < 1352062644 353183 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hex ham < 1352062708 393833 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :three times as much pig as twin pigs < 1352062716 458079 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piggies! < 1352062821 336797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six Pigs is probably like the UK version of Six Flags. (Which I understand is a kinda thing.) < 1352063465 944039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six Sheep is the Welsh version, of course. < 1352063511 439833 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes, six pigs is hexham < 1352063526 651801 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe it should be Roppiki Butaniku < 1352063545 37681 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :六匹豚 does look awesome though < 1352063596 422000 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 hexham < 1352063598 687820 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :urkunz < 1352063612 722038 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that must be german hexham < 1352063612 873773 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds black speech < 1352063636 571988 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how appropriate for a place that was formerly slang for hell < 1352063653 662474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urkunz sounds like a site of a nuclear accident. < 1352063772 945195 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be something like chwechmochyn in welsh < 1352063849 953026 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like the site of a welsh nuclear accident < 1352063851 57212 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shestsvineygrad < 1352063891 601863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, so does japanese not have a word for pigmeat < 1352063935 189387 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"豚肉"? < 1352064120 929677 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, apparently that means 6 4 pig? < 1352064434 358035 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 kurloz < 1352064434 657737 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xheybm < 1352064516 601984 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble hexham < 1352064517 23904 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hxamhe < 1352064534 65123 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say something about hexham < 1352064534 978545 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: she needs to know. do you agree with me, i'd probably be good at that too < 1352064570 367730 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1352064570 832796 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1352064571 65725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 Kurzweil < 1352064571 448118 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xhemjrvy < 1352064574 278462 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1352064576 294158 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew it < 1352064603 948895 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 hxamhe < 1352064604 282790 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uknzur < 1352064631 829224 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :^scramble urkunz < 1352064632 291168 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :uknzur < 1352064661 786697 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop repeating egobot, fungot! < 1352064662 380271 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: but i wouldn't < 1352064769 834156 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Wouldn't repeat, or wouldn't stop? < 1352064770 574828 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: like that, although i have no idea what the problem might be < 1352064776 47682 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: do you know anything about logrotate < 1352065120 319883 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1352065228 866116 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1352065467 51668 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: "豚肉" is the word for pig meat. < 1352065651 428383 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1352065700 359935 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There exists a thing called OK! Magazine. < 1352065724 793562 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1352065728 40670 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also Hello! < 1352065746 18609 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Also, 匹 is not 四, they just look similar. < 1352065831 717529 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: i don't understand < 1352066105 250585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's Heat < 1352066114 235096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1352066735 790604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION quickly regrets reading the wp articles on vcjd
< 1352066799 912125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1352067047 323659 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1352067131 370744 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1352067143 496649 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hold on < 1352067146 171905 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Taneb < 1352067150 907414 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When did this happen < 1352067177 796252 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1352067213 614504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've been a Taneb for more than two hours now. < 1352067223 459943 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1352067228 404074 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wierd < 1352067232 545750 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Werid < 1352067236 324827 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :**Weird < 1352067239 695561 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tan ebb < 1352067240 349609 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll get there eventually < 1352067241 383281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a magazine called "Wired". < 1352067244 967895 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1352067249 433621 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an esolang called Wierd < 1352067274 295707 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna get some sleep now < 1352067276 576403 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-71-40.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1352067324 338454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only 22:00... < 1352067439 404059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime elliott < 1352067440 479280 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Sun Nov 4 22:17:19 < 1352067442 940112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :netcraft confirms it < 1352067446 357247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the 22 part < 1352067511 838486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my UTC offset changed today! < 1352067622 427210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime kmc < 1352067625 142410 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for kmc is Sun Nov 4 17:21:26 2012 < 1352067661 271702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland's UTC offset changed last weekend. < 1352067842 528260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooo < 1352068204 347595 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1352069509 995786 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352069766 548958 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1352069771 494660 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor doesn't have voice any mor < 1352069773 324264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1352070069 44408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1352070798 7448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1352071614 801090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So........ < 1352071618 392136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this?????? < 1352071651 580745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes zzo38 < 1352071659 403056 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1352071943 850702 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this-as < 1352071955 514427 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-457d4bdc.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disclaimer: Previous statement should not necessarily be regarded as correct) < 1352072223 471220 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i don't understand < 1352072880 108506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: Which one did you not understand? < 1352072892 507135 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Do you like this?????? < 1352072895 924449 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "this" < 1352072919 809097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1352072925 357608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is. < 1352073073 375274 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.39.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1352073404 772593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which esolangs can be implemented using hardware description language?