< 1351814915 306656 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make a Verilog/VHDL/PALASM/other hardware description languages implementation of Checkout? < 1351815227 936151 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1351816617 198078 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1351816746 252597 :nooga_!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1351818074 705788 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1351818764 361052 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351819099 181885 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351819134 951139 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-219-69.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1351819366 88165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :«I'm not a real programmer. I throw together things until it works then I move on. The real programmers will say "Yeah it works but you're leaking memory everywhere. Perhaps we should fix that." I’ll just restart Apache every 10 requests.» -- Rasmus Lerdorf < 1351819370 133465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :«We restart HN every 5 or 6 days, or it gets slow (memory leaks).» -- Paul Graham < 1351819374 22063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coïncidence? < 1351819457 788918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1351819475 792759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :real programmers indeed < 1351820096 971746 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1351821455 352055 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang idea: an esolang where leaking memory and having allocations fail is the only way to do conditionals < 1351821576 436467 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523\unfoog: OK, let's write that in esolang list of ideas. < 1351821622 240539 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have been told that LLVM does not target old ARM architectures. It is not too much of a problem, since GCC can still target them. < 1351821643 134540 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1351821707 321072 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351821744 528378 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM are still called RISC even though the new ones are more complicated. < 1351821763 838634 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have an "evaluate polynomial" instruction? < 1351821793 234899 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I don't think it has something like that; only I know VAX has evaluate polynomial, I think. < 1351821959 89013 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1351821995 733290 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RISC just means "not x86" now ;P < 1351822186 312557 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-164-111.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I program in notx86 all the time! < 1351822194 374133 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-164-111.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :notx86 is the best language < 1351822423 277889 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why did they do that? < 1351822459 457800 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RISC is in the name of ARM though. < 1351822534 838404 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes I know but still the new ones are more complicated, having not just one but many instruction sets, and various other features added on < 1351822576 531289 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's still "reduced" from the vax, so it's all good < 1351822610 889627 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In modern parlance "RISC" refers to ISAs that use a load/store architecture, no? < 1351822648 450726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i would say it refers to a whole set of architectural features < 1351822653 596206 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. without really ludicrously complex addressing modes, like x86 is known for... < 1351822663 667379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM has some fairly complex addressing modes < 1351822671 543725 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, right. < 1351822671 661576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and x86's aren't that complex < 1351822681 540601 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM has pre/post increment/decrement which x86 lacks < 1351822707 989136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but x86 lets you do things like INC a memory address, which RISC processors typically avoid < 1351822719 625367 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And has a strcpy opcode. < 1351822725 24645 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1351822734 466478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though you need something like that for concurrency primitives < 1351822745 44568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atomic test-and-set is also a memory read and a write together in the same instruction < 1351822835 267111 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6502 also has increment a memory address (it lacks a increment accumulator instruction!), and VAX even has increment immediate. < 1351822860 593968 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :increment immediate, really? is it self-modifying, then? < 1351823002 970001 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, if the program is stored in RAM it may, I suppose, do so. It sets the flags too so it might be useful for that purpose too. < 1351823083 899463 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang. < 1351823445 259926 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(RogueVM also can use (non-short) immediates as a destination, by using the PC post-increment addressing mode. I think this is similar to how VAX does it.) < 1351823582 711457 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6502 does have increment X register and increment Y register, but cannot increment A register; but, instruction for addition is only usable with A register. < 1351823779 843024 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351824183 288017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by that standard, AMD64 also has store immediate, increment immediate, etc. < 1351824236 873399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :incb (%rip); .byte 0xc2 < 1351824295 608427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip %rip < 1351824360 626916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM is interesting because they added various features specifically to combat weaknesses of RISC < 1351825309 272563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think increment/decrement address modes are an example of that < 1351825338 3184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you have to load, add, store, and it just sucks < 1351825455 617718 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351825690 28870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That fourth operation is the worst. < 1351826485 896805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sucking one? < 1351826500 53529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm but what i said isn't very accurate < 1351826506 160722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your counters should be in registers anyway < 1351826879 973553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am the wrost < 1351826915 384020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched Star Trek: TNG for the first time the other day < 1351826949 887423 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair warning, TNG honestly varies from awesome to suck. < 1351826987 491369 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How'd you like whatever episode you saw? < 1351827014 311370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had some expert nerds select a 3-episode cycle < 1351827021 983061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay "select 3 episodes" < 1351827055 112324 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That probably helps. < 1351827056 819096 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I watched all of Star Trek a few years ago. It took about a year. < 1351827070 472843 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in chronological order) < 1351827075 24099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we watched "Clues", "The Measure of a Man", and "The Inner Light" < 1351827098 107402 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1351827103 127550 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect selection. < 1351827137 858273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't much care for the second one < 1351827144 238136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"clues" was good and "inner light" was great < 1351827179 770982 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Inner Light" is often considered the best episode of TNG. It is inarguably a great one. < 1351827195 795638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's pretty cool < 1351827204 877606 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That selection is overall great for giving you a feel of what the series is like. < 1351827211 664710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1351827218 135256 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have the whole series stashed away on a hard drive somewhere < 1351827222 238540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's time for a marathon < 1351827282 543263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"clues" had a cool idea but the structure was kind of weak < 1351827301 421777 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beware: season 1 sucks horribly, and season 2 varies ("Measure of a Man" is one of the better ones)... < 1351827323 317565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't really get very far in unraveling the mystery before data is just like "ok, here's what happened" < 1351827337 885113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I watch these? < 1351827378 546394 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The show really got into its stride after Roddenberry's death, TBH... < 1351827378 631250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should watch "The Inner Light" at least < 1351827383 94956 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: In short, yes. < 1351827422 237087 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially The Inner Light. Hugo Award winner. < 1351827450 390069 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A brilliant series of TNG remixes (to be watched in order): http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9CCCF2C09E92679B < 1351827485 265651 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of three Trek episodes so awarded. (the other being "The Menagerie", the only TOS two-parter, and "All Good Things...", the TNG finale) < 1351827497 683548 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("All Good Things..." is an amazing episode, but don't watch it yet.) < 1351827540 799299 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Another one I recommend is "Darmok". < 1351827636 274189 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has everyone watched Babylon 5? < 1351827647 949357 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; it's in my giant queue < 1351827692 223047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ℚ < 1351827732 689678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ｑ < 1351827781 665963 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s a rare show in that they had a great five-year story in advance instead of inventing the story as they go. < 1351827801 722257 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my absolute favorites. < 1351827836 141049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool < 1351827838 642919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should watch that too < 1351827860 659735 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You may also enjoy DS9. There might be a modicum of enjoyment from TOS and TAS. VOY and ENT will make you want to drink all the alcohol. < 1351827906 999715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds hazardous < 1351827919 433560 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better than remembering. < 1351827984 879079 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :B5 can seem to start a little slowly (especially since you don’t realize all the apparently insignificant things that are preludes to big events later on) but after watching enough of it you’ll surely find it worth it. < 1351827997 839705 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don’t realize the first time you watch it, that is < 1351828020 912352 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the episode "Threshold" will make you omit the middlemen and simply give yourself a brainectomy. < 1351828128 5604 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be sure to watch Star Trek: The Animated Series, the pinnacle of the franchise. < 1351828147 488963 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't say that. < 1351828159 166468 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's decently written, but the animation is hilariously bad. < 1351828182 755807 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is threshold the one that got retconned out instantly? < 1351828184 717977 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also does weird things to the setting if you accept it as canon. < 1351828186 617076 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes. < 1351828221 456121 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :M’Ress making random noises while talking http://youtu.be/jjGhYexrJ0c < 1351828221 737250 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Among other things, TAS imports parts of Known Space into the setting. < 1351828273 359559 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the coloring is sad. ... The guy in charge of chosing the colors of things was literally color blind. < 1351828357 566405 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdQwE6VK1hg < 1351828360 822215 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fan < 1351828361 713970 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking < 1351828362 478488 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tastic < 1351828433 953262 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haha, i had forgotten Threshold was *that* episode. Yeah, it was horrible. :-D < 1351829201 755097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw, they're not making that spinoff of The Office starring Dwight and his wacky Nazi uncle, after all < 1351829222 152729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was looking forward to finding out just how bad it would be < 1351829321 913868 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have everything from S06E20 still in the queue. < 1351829460 125587 :krzysz00!~krzys@76.78.153.47 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351829523 42317 :krzysz00!~krzys@76.78.153.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote this over the last few days. Your thoughts? https://github.com/krzysz00/singl < 1351829608 347000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see a spec for a language but not a high-level overview of why it's interesting < 1351829615 767038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good languages (esoteric and otherwise) usually have both < 1351829637 670443 :krzysz00!~krzys@76.78.153.47 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have a point there, kmc. < 1351829729 542457 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :krzysz00: It is OK, I think. Still you should also have what kmc request too < 1351829963 57583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an esolang but its spec is uncomputable. < 1351829973 375327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You know what else is uncomputable? < 1351831039 802526 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All non-standard models of the natural numbers? < 1351831424 602287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody's mom? < 1351831789 115974 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the busy beaver function? < 1351831823 462963 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-164-111.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Busy beaver is very computable < 1351831828 780081 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: no it isn't < 1351831837 202995 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-164-111.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it? < 1351831843 51720 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-164-111.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has been a while < 1351831843 99067 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1351831867 561091 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose you had a TM which could compute busy beaver < 1351831906 543362 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could create a machine which took as input another machine, determined its size, and ran it for BB(n) steps; if it halts, then it accepts, otherwise it fails. < 1351831911 229667 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you've solved the halting problem < 1351832001 199455 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact this demonstrates that any upper bound for BB(n) is uncomputable < 1351832011 89639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we can say that it grows faster than any computable function < 1351832013 182592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kinda crazy < 1351832055 488850 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, how are exact values (for BB on really simple machines) known? < 1351832068 896430 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are those just lower bounds? < 1351832076 733907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them are exact < 1351832105 28092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you enumerate all the different turing machines of that size and prove that they halt or don't < 1351832123 137011 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that a procedure, then? < 1351832147 858127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no because you can search for larger and larger proofs forever < 1351832182 895362 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1351832186 86893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, given the size of the machine, you have no computable bound on the size of a proof that it halts or doesn't < 1351832200 621496 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given a fixed n, you can compute BB up to n < 1351832209 688440 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no turing machine can compute BB for arbitrary n < 1351832218 8583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO "you" < 1351832241 586538 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's a bit clearer. The whole thing always sort of confused me. < 1351832266 440543 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course I have a book with a graph of the kolmogorov complexity of numbers as a function, maybe I should focus on that confusingness first. < 1351832628 230136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh i think there is something deeper going on here < 1351832685 368007 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :say i have a turing machine M. in one thread i run M, and in another thread I enumerate all possible proofs that M doesn't halt, and check them one by one < 1351832692 693918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't this solve the halting problem? < 1351832695 123401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the answer is < 1351832727 327373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any (r.e.) axiomatic system of talking about turing machines, there is some machine which doesn't halt, such that you can't prove it doesn't halt within your system < 1351832736 442357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically by gödel's incompleteness theorem < 1351832753 35666 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bahahah. < 1351832772 881432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or else the system is inconsistent, but in that case it doesn't agree with the meta-theoretic definition of "halt" and so is useless) < 1351832802 647222 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you enumerate the possible proofs that M doesn't halt? < 1351832844 994165 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[minBound..] < 1351832845 143633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proofs are just strings in some formal system; you can enumerate strings easily enough < 1351832888 498160 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are infinite such proofs < 1351832923 886459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but they are recursively enumerable < 1351832934 480309 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but how do you know your system will halt? < 1351832947 173756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because every machine either halts or doesn't (on a given input) < 1351832954 736109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so either there exists a computation history showing it to halt < 1351832959 813626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or there exists a finite proof that it doesn't < 1351832967 930604 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the second statement which is wrong < 1351832970 719161 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1351832984 114949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because even though the "proof exists" informally, you can't nail it down in any particular formal system < 1351832988 527118 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even < 1351832994 282664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whichever formal system you choose, some machine will escape you < 1351832996 862144 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Either the machine M halts, or the search for a proof that M doesn't halt, halts. < 1351832998 169822 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :example: write a TM which enumerates theorems of ZFC and terminates when it finds a proof or disproof of CH < 1351833016 786490 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that by Gödel's incompleteness theorem, the second is not necessarily the case. < 1351833020 863405 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you get the idea. < 1351833033 359542 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think? < 1351833046 742855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i'm not sure if that is the same thing or different < 1351833047 356243 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any r.e. axiomatic system has turing machine halting proofs independent of it? < 1351833048 126003 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, sorry, a proof of CH < 1351833074 995083 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Seems like it. < 1351833079 580370 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... actually, that doesn't quite work < 1351833096 539580 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, you can find a TM for which halting is independent of your axiom system < 1351833137 499798 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-203-184.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Quit: Do not mix astrology with drinks containing caffine, alcohol or water. < 1351833221 919546 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=710 maybe this is what I'm thinking of < 1351833450 220553 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1351834449 18163 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know which form of transit is still operating well in New York? boats! < 1351834461 689191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the IKEA boat is already back in service < 1351834491 521933 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ikea has a boat? < 1351834521 92092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1351834530 736943 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rad < 1351834586 858174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ikea in NYC is somewhat inconvenient by bus or train < 1351834591 542830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's right on the water < 1351834605 358660 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they run a free shuttle boat < 1351834649 915154 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever < 1351834658 184088 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to have cheap furniture during the apocalypse < 1351834710 25124 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except then people started using it for commutes and whatever < 1351834717 558953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now it's $5 to go to IKEA, but you get a $5 gift card < 1351834723 213369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to show a receipt on the way back < 1351834740 313576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is like the express buses to atlantic city that make you buy casino chips with your bus ticket < 1351836271 154625 :krzysz00!~krzys@76.78.153.47 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1351836754 956543 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1351838191 347116 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1351838540 582717 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1351842195 984344 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351843346 864744 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-82-9.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1351843845 2562 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1351844418 952165 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1351844451 968685 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys guess what < 1351844496 673020 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Poison <-- My new programming language < 1351844572 624032 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finished making my new programming language (Sort of enough for release) < 1351844591 325637 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just adding a few more things before I release 1.1 < 1351844694 845126 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-82-9.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1351844822 873025 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1351844840 383051 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: so tired, so vomitous < 1351844900 306621 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a joke shubshub < 1351844937 618228 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, mediafire is legit < 1351845105 715609 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :shubshub: couldn't you just paste help contents onto the wiki page? < 1351845262 741524 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe in next release < 1351845277 502458 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright fine ill post help on wiki page < 1351845290 680497 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill also update it to 1.1 < 1351845776 524809 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're supposed to briefly explain what the language is < 1351845927 509221 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im going to < 1351846608 626857 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Updated along with help on wiki page < 1351846609 650763 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Poison < 1351846896 809817 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga I updatred it < 1351847117 79730 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1351847281 340730 :ais523\unfoog!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1351847919 841200 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if troll or just a beginner ;o < 1351848019 960950 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :why whats wrong with it < 1351848107 943705 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351848152 18362 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :read other entries, like http://esolangs.org/wiki/Unlambda , http://esolangs.org/wiki/Befunge < 1351848160 530432 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then read yours again < 1351848211 835753 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh ill edit it later < 1351848418 849477 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not only the description < 1351848432 927220 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes your language interesting? < 1351848709 352090 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that it uses smasller commands] < 1351849441 959010 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :smaller than what? < 1351849443 995162 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :python? < 1351849604 250171 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric : yea < 1351849625 239620 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1351849672 230406 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the execution model? < 1351849768 229868 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do u mean? < 1351849778 959632 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :-+ < 1351850024 704198 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do u mean by execution model < 1351850368 326625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just out of curiosity, but did you actually write if x == 'a' or x == 'A': y = str(1); elif x == 'b' or x == 'B': y = str(2); ... elif x == 'z' or x == 'Z': y = str(26)? < 1351850451 384034 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1351850474 656024 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :im typed up the entire language by hand < 1351850502 813155 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway how did you get the py file I only posted the pyc file < 1351850558 13159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decompiled it; to be honest, the urllib.urlretrieve and ['runas', '/user:Administrator', x] parts seen in strings file.pyc made me a bit uncomfortable. < 1351850564 904094 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1351850568 329171 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1351850619 796653 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you release only the pyc file? < 1351850634 270547 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idk cuz I didnt want it to be Open source < 1351850649 718964 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that useful? < 1351850658 324907 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not < 1351850758 21230 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added the runas admin feature for something I was doing at school < 1351850884 892409 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :I Am Al < 1351850915 310602 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am also the creator of another language called !!!Batch and also NumericBatch both of which are very unstable < 1351851180 295131 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway gtg < 1351851210 462984 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1351851234 927128 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1351851269 461051 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351851727 872099 :mean!~this@188.214.33.238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351852197 728113 :allu!~allu@unaffiliated/allu JOIN :#esoteric < 1351852317 147113 :allu!~allu@unaffiliated/allu PART :#esoteric < 1351855004 565595 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1351856865 352297 :russkiyhuy!~androirc@46.216.187.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351856989 466872 :russkiyhuy!~androirc@46.216.187.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello! preved! < 1351857081 512966 :russkiyhuy!~androirc@46.216.187.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pidorasy present today? < 1351857177 655175 :russkiyhuy!~androirc@46.216.187.226 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody ebanod dniwe? < 1351857368 79692 :russkiyhuy!~androirc@46.216.187.226 QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1351857682 559407 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1351857695 539283 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351859193 497275 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351860668 148154 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1351861442 682962 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351861534 432121 :mean!~this@188.214.33.238 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1351861620 466017 :mean!~this@188.214.33.238 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351864341 557514 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-106.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1351864349 312899 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-106.elisa.ee QUIT :Client Quit < 1351864828 614144 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1351866155 758028 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Slower Speed of Light Official Trailer — MIT Game Lab http://youtu.be/uu7jA8EHi_0 < 1351866409 73791 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1351866674 53839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :preved medved < 1351866714 448764 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1351866760 141790 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1351866826 433099 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy One day I was Bored and Decided to learn how to program in python so I went and watched some youtube videos however I didn't just want to program in Python I wanted to form my own language perhaps an easier No wait more simplistic version of Python with smaller command names And easier programming so here it is The Poison Programming Language < 1351866826 513155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1351866870 63079 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351866879 404394 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verily. < 1351866887 791639 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verily indeed. < 1351866888 136729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1351866892 497512 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, sweet < 1351866904 576803 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verily indeed indubitably. < 1351866913 165818 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1351866917 476612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh Wow it's Shubshub < 1351866919 853421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get good messages < 1351866920 6040 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had seen all those messages before < 1351866932 997789 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: shubshub: the best? < 1351866939 33184 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i make poison the featured language < 1351866962 180233 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I did see them and I downloaded Brogue and I am playing it RIGHT NOW < 1351866965 98353 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not right now < 1351866968 204226 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have it open < 1351866984 623099 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : clear() - Clear the command line screen on a Linux Computer < 1351866986 837547 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cls() - Clear the command line screen on a Windows Computer < 1351866999 799204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: it's cross-platform < 1351867002 764427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like java < 1351867011 135070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: def clear(): os.system('clear') def cls(): os.system('cls') < 1351867013 211682 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, a specific Linux Computer, or just any < 1351867055 277828 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need languages that let us clear other people's screens < 1351867066 128862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mathes eqaution commands just print the result; now I need to manually copy the intermediate result to add three numbers. :/ < 1351867088 757100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sounds better than mathematica < 1351867140 894009 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what about http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Ozone#Interp ? < 1351867162 8733 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: apparently i said something in 2008 and then didn't do it < 1351867169 465336 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1351867174 361816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, I hate that I have to write 1 + 2 and then Out[1] + 3 to add three numbers there. :/ < 1351867205 650546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it be 1 + Out[3] < 1351867222 749547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's that. < 1351867231 507782 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since 1+2 is 3 iirc < 1351867252 207976 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1+2 ≈ FileNotFound < 1351867280 441196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/cCjC look I'm pulling results from the future. < 1351867326 43229 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall x: def x(): os.system('x') < 1351867353 400748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ohh, right, Out is an array. < 1351867362 720992 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocaml doesn't like me :( < 1351867375 58902 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It should automagically recalculate the display of the Out[n]s each time you cause them to change. < 1351867381 887043 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a spreadsheet. < 1351867398 181698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the gooey version can do some stuff like that. < 1351867407 731309 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to implement circlefuck using the circular buffer module I wrote some time ago but I need two pointers to the same buffer and ocaml won't let me do that < 1351867468 392194 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I try including the module and adding functions to it, they don't work because they're not allowed to access the internal structure < 1351867636 322746 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.9.2p318 :001 > def method_missing(cmd, *args) system(cmd.to_s, *args) end; echo "foo" < 1351867638 813776 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1351867674 496182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://amoffat.github.com/sh/ is like that < 1351867676 955999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is wonderful < 1351867709 932305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: have you considered changing the module < 1351867723 299850 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, I could rewrite it all < 1351867725 159069 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : self = sys.modules[__name__] < 1351867726 703915 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : sys.modules[__name__] = SelfWrapper(self) < 1351867728 931026 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the kluge. < 1351867737 775041 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is that really a good idea? < 1351867754 485311 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first idea was to add a function "shallow copy" or something to it < 1351867770 521343 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it causes problem if you try to pop an item that's the front item from a copy < 1351867791 207991 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A European shallow or an African shallow? < 1351867792 983834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: all i hear is yet more arguments against mutable state :p < 1351867827 665121 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any idea to avoid using them? < 1351867890 958403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well presumably you could use a purely-functional data structure instead... maybe for circular things that's a bit of a pain though, iirc Okasaki's /Purely Functional Data Structures/ extends the language with basic lazy values for things like that < 1351867905 890169 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I suppose you could implement them easily as (() -> a) if you're not worried about performance) < 1351867922 729021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said there is probably some solution to your problem that does not involve rewriting your program < 1351867927 367560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know OCaml, so who knows what it is < 1351867938 913282 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was on holiday I wrote a Hunt the Wumpus clone < 1351867941 717322 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's awful < 1351867944 310622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can implement them as (() -> a) with good performance if you can close over a mutable cell < 1351867960 511002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: right < 1351867967 284233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that is nicer than exposing the mutable cell in the type < 1351867971 474306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1351867977 702792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was my first idea < 1351867984 28374 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can write it in fucking C < 1351867987 161470 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 functional imperative programming < 1351867997 617139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to learn Fucking C < 1351868001 449169 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fucking C is like system F, except you're forced to be more explicit. < 1351868001 638962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a relevant ISO standard < 1351868001 793898 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, how is fucking C different from regular C? < 1351868006 209374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO-Fucking-9899 < 1351868011 344106 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it you call (() -> a)? < 1351868017 857117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: The Aristocrats < 1351868019 394078 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :replacing the data structure with a function? < 1351868020 868458 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: haskell < 1351868033 611875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: I guess it is (unit -> a) in OCaml < 1351868038 106911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I guess (unit -> 'a) even < 1351868039 31904 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, I think it's thunking, but everyone's gonna shout at me because I'm wrong < 1351868048 906754 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's thunking about thinking < 1351868061 915058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who'd've thunk it. < 1351868092 324350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: anyway I was just talking about the implementation of a simple lazy value < 1351868107 97506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to use for implementing something circular-ish in a purely-functional manner < 1351868113 592496 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I suppose a circular buffer could work as a zipper or something instead < 1351868119 908955 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I still have no idea what you mean < 1351868125 238609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok < 1351868135 946490 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a zipper would be fine if there weren't two iterators < 1351868140 660143 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, two pointers < 1351868185 252210 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data BiZipper a = BiZipper [a] a [a] (Maybe a) [a]? < 1351868202 832213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: yuk < 1351868208 930789 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a a a < 1351868216 393896 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is the worst < 1351868237 91060 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Maybe a constructor similar to ocaml's None / Some option type? < 1351868251 500920 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1351868262 296901 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Maybe a = Nothing | Just a < 1351868278 861051 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :type 'a option = None | Some of 'a < 1351868309 583406 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there are at least three birthday parties in Hexham tomorrow. What's the word on the street? < 1351868335 538524 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there word < 1351868343 993635 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1351868348 61074 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1351868354 575978 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"slow" < 1351868366 581691 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dont know the word < 1351868370 473423 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them's a sort of surprise party for me < 1351868374 578554 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I want to know more details < 1351868385 433027 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I don't actually < 1351868390 40487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well atriq < 1351868392 40586 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can tell you this < 1351868399 136576 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there is ever word on the street i know literally none of it < 1351868414 856360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may, in fact, be the single worst person in hexham to ask about the word on the street < 1351868415 353599 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1351868416 879090 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations < 1351868418 696622 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word on the street is "slow" < 1351868424 269213 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a school zone < 1351868442 769918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Are you 'in' in the Hexham party scene, though? < 1351868487 126339 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is the opposite of in these days < 1351868493 343771 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"out" < 1351868502 508253 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right I am "out" < 1351868575 730333 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :start your own private party scene. then everyone else will be out and you will be in < 1351868591 575962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i get lonely < 1351868597 502232 :mean!~this@188.214.33.238 QUIT : < 1351868620 802621 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then little has changed < 1351868652 720227 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1351868987 703598 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rats_with_bushy_tails < 1351869039 796242 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1351869369 842770 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A mysterious package arrived for me when I was in Ibiza < 1351869378 668131 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go down to the post office depot thing to pick it up < 1351869612 629017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how was Ibiza? < 1351869617 614821 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boring < 1351869751 832971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks < 1351869916 456823 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you know what else sucks? < 1351869942 928555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP? < 1351869949 373497 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything < 1351870006 876361 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :∀x. x sucks < 1351870017 60392 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence PHP sucks < 1351870040 219101 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP used to be a thing, but is it still a thing? < 1351870045 157650 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1351870047 707637 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is sadly still a thing < 1351870149 647298 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351870356 621179 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :earth sucks < 1351870399 368971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351870458 327979 :girafee!~girafee@115.247.138.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351870469 18282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome girafee < 1351870480 165826 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :girafee: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1351870536 574428 :girafee!~girafee@115.247.138.6 PART :#esoteric < 1351870622 860816 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, we might be able to do quicker welcome messages if we didn't rely on a bot starting up a linux environment on one of Gregor's computers every time < 1351870658 23053 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft < 1351870671 152899 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I confused immersion with orientation today and I think I made a complete tit of myself :( < 1351870689 295897 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you feel blue? < 1351870698 24791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: that reminds me of boltzmann brains < 1351870714 243276 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, that means nothing to me < 1351870727 769130 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what's your sexual immersion < 1351870727 955704 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ah, vienna!) < 1351870754 426246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: don't you always make a complete tit of yourself < 1351870762 611204 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, that's me < 1351870774 962792 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, homeomorphic. < 1351870799 847619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Pedant's note, I couldn't be bothered doing that properly.) < 1351870841 365563 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, Aphrodite? < 1351870854 381946 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no, sometimes cauchy sequences on the tit don't converge. < 1351870891 89639 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need to apply the squeeze test < 1351870942 533858 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these jokes are dumb guys < 1351870944 129658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To see if the tit is contractible? < 1351871086 705253 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you would know dumb wouldn't you?? < 1351871163 964838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1351871652 857673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: what did you do in Ibiza? < 1351871662 113750 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, very little < 1351871677 175580 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was too windy to go to the beach and the wrong part of the island to party < 1351871705 285569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... that sucks < 1351871711 447896 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone want to see how much I suck at programming? < 1351872507 838980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not < 1351872663 940810 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :show us < 1351872667 219885 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let us be compleasant < 1351872696 183517 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fdc3.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION turns the light down low
< 1351872739 92663 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's time to GET A PACKAGE < 1351872747 562475 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/77161 < 1351872749 102910 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1351872756 262617 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-41-221.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351872783 217615 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-204-87.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1351873042 601183 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the monster is called a wumpus < 1351873050 149801 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and where are the bats and the pits? < 1351873122 706459 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't know if that's how it worked with the original game, but I believe it's better if the room numbers are attributed randomly < 1351873136 908479 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that when you start you don't already know what leads where < 1351873202 497248 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and last thing my comments are probably irrelevant as I can't read haskell < 1351873475 819673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1351874656 591193 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1351874791 31792 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jerkcity.com/jerkcity1136.html < 1351875816 67399 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351875818 99839 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back < 1351875873 144995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: don't use data.array it sucks < 1351875875 328673 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- my helpful advice < 1351876126 687632 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1351876130 994736 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elaborate please < 1351876141 961460 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also give thoughts on the mysterious package I recieved < 1351876221 9002 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351876231 449547 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sucks < 1351876234 759084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my elaboration < 1351876254 604005 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1351876262 399643 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: try importing it < 1351876265 823868 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Client Quit < 1351876279 927710 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what modules it contains! < 1351876404 963705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351876481 851789 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what would you suggest to replace it? < 1351876518 697245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: either a function, vector (from the vector package), or a map/hashmap < 1351876521 338873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on your needs! < 1351876528 853566 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd go for a function in this case < 1351876567 690045 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should randomise the layout tho < 1351876570 301143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be cool! < 1351876572 453915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dumb < 1351876707 745178 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION randomizes elliott’s layout.
< 1351876717 819740 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go ion < 1351876789 312514 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: btw why are you using makeLensesFor < 1351876792 895069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than makeLenses or makeClassy < 1351876822 413375 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know how they named them < 1351876911 388070 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: they expect your fields to be named _foo and produce a lens named foo < 1351876959 274235 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1351876963 127904 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't quite what I have < 1351876975 471161 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have fields named foo and lenses named foo_ < 1351877032 951292 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but that sucks < 1351877034 368344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't care < 1351877161 209156 :MoALTz!~no@host86-132-136-34.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351877199 952329 :MoALTz!~no@host86-132-136-34.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1351877658 576612 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I've changed it < 1351877892 216646 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It now uses functions instead of arrays, and makeLenses instead of makeLensesFor < 1351877927 205051 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now split that one gigantic definition you have into like five < 1351878012 832574 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not gigantic < 1351878016 252394 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's merely stupidly big < 1351878017 268923 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-195-235.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351878032 622961 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's less than 100 lines < 1351878035 886618 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ergo, not gigantic < 1351878045 45864 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gigantic < 1351878835 182391 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1351879184 937630 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1351879580 648990 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I've just been retweeted by an Internet not actually celebrity < 1351879589 969510 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Webcomic author Dan Shive < 1351880364 476983 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1351880579 191081 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-195-235.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1351880781 388330 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1351880793 790231 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1351881794 302302 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1351882029 880165 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1351882087 810861 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1351882180 276240 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-41-221.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1351882187 412783 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351882364 653467 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1351882501 962429 :Sgeo|web!a7ce4365@gateway/web/freenode/ip.167.206.67.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351882531 57422 :Sgeo|web!a7ce4365@gateway/web/freenode/ip.167.206.67.101 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I crossed a shachaf. Am I alive? < 1351882536 110762 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351882736 434296 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1351882757 175568 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1351882758 766978 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah! < 1351882761 572440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was to sgeo < 1351882766 533258 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh thank god < 1351882769 615895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what does this mean: mount: /my/image/im/trying/to/loop/mount.img failed to setup loop device: No such file or directory < 1351882772 225544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*img: < 1351882876 393215 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the file exists) < 1351882878 237800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so does the mount point) < 1351882885 480039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you have no loopback devices for some reason < 1351882893 394566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :strace it < 1351882897 645157 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember that time I installed pacman on my computer < 1351882900 484589 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was fun < 1351882915 299272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1351882921 406903 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently that is true kmc! < 1351882927 277625 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't i have a loopback device < 1351882932 699451 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-156-42.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1351882936 176564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a normal udev < 1351882953 929423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes AIUI < 1351882962 616871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with systemd, which I don't think matters? < 1351882969 754223 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know then :/ < 1351882985 862635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know is systemd and udev merged < 1351882991 417591 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now i don't actually have a udev package < 1351882993 44913 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just systemd < 1351883030 952546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1351883041 594541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :keeping up with how linux systems work is hard < 1351883058 792684 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well it's more that they just merged the packages upstream apparently < 1351883064 716550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's still buildable separately or something < 1351883149 157768 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2012-August/006066.html < 1351883161 849466 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently that means basically "you can use udev without systemd in the future but we're not going to make it any better" < 1351883360 827577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1351883374 950707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: actually maybe i do have a loopback device or something < 1351883380 240818 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do have the loop module loaded at least < 1351883571 41833 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :open("/dev/loop-control", O_RDWR) = -1 ENODEV (No such device) < 1351883572 469135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is puzzling < 1351883578 479878 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because < 1351883579 556510 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls -lh /dev/loop-control < 1351883579 735083 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crw------- 1 root root 10, 237 Nov 2 14:25 /dev/loop-control < 1351883590 200536 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wtf < 1351883645 259440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh probably you just don't have loop.ko loaded < 1351883655 255067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i've done sudo modprobe loop about 10 times < 1351883661 588239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha ok < 1351883663 20945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/3397886 apparently this person has the same issue on the same OS three months ago < 1351883665 150388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe it's fucked somehow < 1351883691 632409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i am sure it is fucked < 1351883693 21683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it doesn't work < 1351883699 589714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything in dmesg? < 1351883711 805975 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :checked before but no < 1351883719 94013 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing since boot-up < 1351883802 971315 :Sgeo|web!a7ce4365@gateway/web/freenode/ip.167.206.67.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1351883814 333910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo hi | sudo tee /dev/loop-control < 1351883814 466185 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[sudo] password for elliott: < 1351883814 513404 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tee: /dev/loop-control: No such device < 1351883814 513577 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1351883819 601767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so loop-control exists as a device < 1351883822 81245 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is not a device < 1351883829 490065 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess the problem is 10, 237 doesn't identify a valid decide < 1351883830 584747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*device < 1351883832 255593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why not < 1351883834 275578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a file but there's no device hooked up to it in the kernel < 1351883834 722626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1351883839 648457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the mystery < 1351883920 583504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ lsmod | grep loop < 1351883920 908088 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ < 1351883926 10910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so modprobe loop didn't work i guess < 1351883928 940465 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why didn't it complain?? < 1351883947 479928 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1351883950 479403 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo modprobe -v sdlfkjsdfkl < 1351883952 96732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also outputs nothing < 1351883959 597209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is going onnnnnnnnnnnnnnn < 1351884049 484157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe your system has deprecated the loop device completely, in favour of dm-loop? < 1351884069 599674 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK, I'm willing to accept that... but why is modprobe fucked? < 1351884075 687482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and how would I get dm-loop working) < 1351884102 948871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know if dm-loop ever went anywhere, I just remember there was one once. < 1351884124 130177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dm-loop is lvm only from the looks of it? < 1351884125 667305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have lvm. < 1351884216 973491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sudo modprobe -v -n dosfjsdofjoidsf" doesn't even give any messages. < 1351884219 446899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think grep loop /proc/devices should at least definitely say if the device is there. < 1351884226 524537 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even "modprobe foo" as non-root doesn't give me any messages. < 1351884228 233350 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's going on? < 1351884242 162767 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That outputs nothing, right. < 1351884255 791431 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems fairly obvious I need to load loop... so the problem is just that modprobe is completely broken?? < 1351884264 337495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they deprecated modutils and it's just a dummy stub. :p < 1351884279 424352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it responds to --help and everything. < 1351884308 96079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sudo modprobe -v -n dosfjsdofjoidsf < 1351884308 143267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FATAL: Module dosfjsdofjoidsf not found. < 1351884317 719029 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ modprobe -V < 1351884317 858528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmod version 10 < 1351884330 543171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your system has EVERY MODULE, that's why they all work. < 1351884354 417357 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what's your version?) < 1351884363 219013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"module-init-tools version 3.16". < 1351884369 687833 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1351884371 400470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very different. < 1351884395 286222 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Client Quit < 1351884417 234973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Name : kmod < 1351884417 385176 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[...] < 1351884417 537907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conflicts With : module-init-tools < 1351884417 583516 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replaces : module-init-tools < 1351884420 305075 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What's going on? :( < 1351884434 669058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must be some kinda thing. < 1351884484 294804 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With module-init-tools being declared a dead project by its current maintainer, a new project has stepped up to take its place: kmod. This is intended to be a drop-in replacement, though deprecated functionality in module-init-tools has not been reimplemented. < 1351884485 360021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hokay. < 1351884538 166363 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1351884538 435563 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, < 1351884538 589005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :While setting up a new VPS with Wheezy under a module-less kernel < 1351884538 635850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(everything compiled-in) I've noticed that kmod's modprobe silently < 1351884538 636014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :returns 1 with no error message printed, no matter if you tell it < 1351884538 636123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to load or unload a module. < 1351884540 603770 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1351884542 617701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hokay. < 1351884559 621063 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So "modprobe loop" is, in fact, failing. < 1351884569 509651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is a mystery. < 1351884596 369673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently things like "diagnostics" and "any messages" are part of the deprecated functionality they've not reimplemented. < 1351884633 58999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1351884633 317260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a bit more testing using a more "standard" Debian install < 1351884633 525956 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(barebones system from current netinst with Debian standard kernel < 1351884633 574415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.2.0-3-686-pae) I've found out that this behavior is caused by lack < 1351884633 574560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.alias.bin . < 1351884633 678351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1351884635 759843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hokay. < 1351884649 220856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking linux kids < 1351884657 590187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta reimplement the whole system from scratch every few years < 1351884665 281459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because clearly the old authors were idiots and that's why nothing works < 1351884666 702748 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I have that file. < 1351884669 85803 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1351884678 308091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it couldn't be that nothing works because it's all reimplemented from scratch every few years < 1351884687 578581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a loop.ko in there though? < 1351884690 832092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of uni computing clubs actually < 1351884692 976029 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1351884695 127538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably no coincidence < 1351884710 875567 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, um, it's a binary file. < 1351884713 188282 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to check. < 1351884729 886343 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess look at modules.alias? < 1351884731 100973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, in the module dir. < 1351884741 472165 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, I have loop.ko.gz, yes. < 1351884742 606509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias devname:loop-control loop < 1351884742 760638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias char-major-10-237 loop < 1351884742 807646 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias block-major-7-* loop < 1351884748 53544 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what modules.alias has. < 1351884768 702032 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's linux... the reason usually is because the old authors were idiots < 1351884787 995592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds suspiciously reasonable. It may be lulling you to a false sense of security. < 1351884826 513891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm going to have so strace modprobe, aren't I :( < 1351884864 955192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There weren't any of these .bin files when I last wondered about modules, around the 2.4.x series or something. There was just one ascii .dep file for modprobe and that was about it. < 1351884874 133148 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :open("/lib/modules/3.6.4-1-ck/modules.dep.bin", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) < 1351884874 293014 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :open("/lib/modules/3.6.4-1-ck/modules.dep.bin", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) < 1351884874 340695 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :open("/lib/modules/3.6.4-1-ck/modules.alias.bin", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) < 1351884879 759783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it's upset that those don't exist. < 1351884886 552226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1351884897 910612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Guess why it's broken? Hint: It's a really dumb reason and I feel like an idiot. < 1351884930 662428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Here's a hint: < 1351884936 14335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls /lib/modules < 1351884936 191345 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.6.4-1-ARCH 3.6.5-1-ck extramodules-3.6-ARCH extramodules-3.6-ck < 1351884956 691532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah ha. < 1351884970 289356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see some different numbers. < 1351884977 508143 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason is I upgraded my kernel and it removed the old one and I haven't rebooted yet. :( < 1351884988 790388 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uh... be right back. < 1351884996 942244 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1351885008 330849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Linux system, you should always try rebooting first, it usually fixes all the problems. < 1351885013 134898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :...wait... < 1351885068 397112 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1351885134 561202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, now it gives error messages. < 1351885139 31647 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And works when it loads loop. < 1351885196 539935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, it works. < 1351885224 898526 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1351885434 690826 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:44:20: kmc: You may also enjoy DS9. There might be a modicum of enjoyment from TOS and TAS. VOY and ENT will make you want to drink all the alcohol. < 1351885439 961974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: aw c'mon, voyager is hilarious < 1351885449 925501 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is being very drunk < 1351885499 802552 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I suspect the experiences are comparable < 1351885678 978295 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1351885684 252178 :shubshub1!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1351885783 358567 :shubshub1!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz QUIT :Client Quit < 1351885790 772703 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1351885854 331994 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi guys < 1351886036 543567 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1351886119 612514 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.plosone.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0048331 < 1351886213 962572 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1351886435 994003 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351886656 929180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shubshub: your language is really bad < 1351886666 82266 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1351886682 10080 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how to articulate the reasons < 1351886691 675565 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1351886746 437332 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: help me out here < 1351886805 288704 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is shubshub the alter ego of someone here? < 1351886815 896612 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1351886829 992385 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1351886831 12136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't really look at it < 1351886832 975776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1351886836 178136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's the alter ego of shubshub < 1351886838 116879 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz JOIN :#esoteric < 1351886845 292802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: here http://esolangs.org/wiki/Poison < 1351886895 407797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is terrible < 1351886914 259389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do the built-in functions have terrible short names < 1351886929 652728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why do you need a different function to clear the screen on linux vs windows < 1351886931 121176 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it easier < 1351886933 390493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't the language hide that detail < 1351886946 631916 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the function to Perform a Mathes eqaution doesn’t return the result, it prints it. So you can’t compute a Mathes eqaution such as 2+3*4 with it. < 1351886962 730142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1351886963 953328 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it’s only distributed as a .pyc file, no source. < 1351886969 225662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1351886987 990878 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : to make it easier < 1351886988 742869 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: that's a maths equation, not a Mathes eqaution < 1351886998 979958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you know about famous Mathesamatician John Mathes < 1351887006 709546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you one of those people who believes the difficulty of programming is proportional to the number of keys you have to push? < 1351887036 148027 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I only know about Imhotep. < 1351887094 629637 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1351887118 776650 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just out of curiosity, but did you actually write if x == 'a' or x == 'A': y = str(1); elif x == 'b' or x == 'B': y = str(2); ... elif x == 'z' or x == 'Z': y = str(26)? < 1351887123 240588 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : yes < 1351887127 69410 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : im typed up the entire language by hand < 1351887135 983264 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :can u please stop quoting me < 1351887143 830002 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: If Jean stands exactly one nautical mile away from Lord Scotland, how tall is Imhotep? < 1351887185 312361 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I dare not compute that, lest i suffer the Helvetica scenario. < 1351887197 398104 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: It's easy! < 1351887199 207353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : can u please stop quoting me < 1351887214 24670 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's no calcium involved, so no fear of Helvetica. < 1351887215 795478 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :u: Please stop quoting shubshub. < 1351887233 430295 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode -- u: No such nick/channel < 1351887328 974899 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Poison&oldid=32167 < 1351887361 112929 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Poison&oldid=32171 As you can see Poison takes less coding to do Hello World :D < 1351887403 282952 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do u mean < 1351887437 786991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realise you wrote that sentence not ion right < 1351887458 494323 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1351887482 64235 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you switch from Ruby to Python in the middle of implementing Poison? < 1351887499 572322 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuz I didnt like ruby that much < 1351887499 761608 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And why does the Python implementation not have hgWorld("True")? < 1351887532 576838 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what does the g stand for? < 1351887555 653888 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hold on let me think < 1351887596 632823 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1351887608 891509 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :hgWorld stands for Hello/Goodbye World < 1351887623 335018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i take it back poison is my favourite language < 1351887630 820947 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1351887677 17135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1351887680 145315 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1351887683 964137 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does hgWorld("False") print "Goodbye World !"? < 1351887693 766381 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shubshub: well why did you make it < 1351887697 582549 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fdc3.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello, goodbye, world. it's very minimalistic.. though it may be not TC < 1351887699 686083 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :no but I Believe hgWorld("False") did < 1351887700 503035 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some questions nobody can answer < 1351887716 183016 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shubshub: you literally just said the exact same thing as Bike < 1351887732 180869 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry i didnt read it properly < 1351887750 219016 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: He describes why he made it in http://esolangs.org/wiki/Poison < 1351887766 168048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: well < 1351887769 664820 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: i wasn't counting that < 1351887892 553054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about hgWorld(True) and hgWorld(False) though < 1351887894 550094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do those print < 1351887905 686121 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how about hgWorld("Foo")? < 1351887912 987797 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1351887955 381418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1351887965 212409 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿¿¿ < 1351888058 517226 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fdc3.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.but i miss the two_power_eight(bool use_division_instead_of_power) function < 1351889104 887476 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should redo my language with better commands or something < 1351889109 851418 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fdc3.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i strongly recommend removing hoovers blog entry from the topic. we should encourage folks with a positive attitude. show them where to look among the garbage and the flowers < 1351889124 905584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even Phantom_Hoover's blog post < 1351889149 559911 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fdc3.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't change much < 1351889180 916652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that blog entry is a joke) < 1351889253 811901 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fdc3.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? sry i forgo to take my meads < 1351889537 307126 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shubshub: It’s perfect the way it is. < 1351891557 606945 :mindlessDrone!~mindlessd@vpn34-178.rz.hs-offenburg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1351891928 360324 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351892812 956319 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351892834 407633 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome noooooooooooooooooooooodl < 1351892837 607054 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooooooooooooooooooooodl: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1351892851 706148 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1351892857 936391 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodl < 1351892861 28934 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooodl: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1351892864 117364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think you feel sufficiently welcomed yet < 1351892869 253440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODL < 1351892872 584477 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODL: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1351892917 722432 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA"????? < 1351892965 894506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esotericism < 1351892966 209188 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1351892970 906533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? esoteric < 1351892970 953174 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Astral projection, crystal healing, the Bible, you know. < 1351892973 668959 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel is about programming -- for the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net. < 1351892980 828872 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :) < 1351892995 466561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODL < 1351892998 727242 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODL: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1351893005 102246 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if you make an astral projection-based programming language, this is probably the appropriate place. < 1351893015 398454 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed! < 1351893016 764095 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, do you guys seriously get visited by "that kind" of people often enough for that to be in the welcome message < 1351893021 782871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1351893027 10901 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1351893029 995236 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1351893034 340506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODL < 1351893035 419260 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: It's not *exceptionally* common, but it's sufficiently common that it's necessary, yes. < 1351893037 456361 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODL: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: < 1351893040 386419 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP < 1351893043 38643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: do you feel welcome yet asshole < 1351893047 617891 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's ok i know nooodl < 1351893052 168312 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll never < 1351893052 674463 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop < 1351893058 89477 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For everyone ELSE'S sake X-D < 1351893062 408797 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ nooodl < 1351893063 331534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those people dont have souls < 1351893063 567481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Twist: nooodl *is* "that kind" of people. < 1351893065 755974 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyawy im going < 1351893065 858884 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ＮＯＯＯＤＬ：　ＷＥＬＣＯＭＥ　ＴＯ　ＴＨＥ　ＩＮＴＥＲＮＡＴＩＯＮＡＬ　ＨＵＢ　ＦＯＲ　ＥＳＯＴＥＲＩＣ　ＰＲＯＧＲＡＭＭＩＮＧ　ＬＡＮＧＵＡＧＥ　ＤＥＳＩＧＮ　ＡＮＤ　ＤＥＰＬＯＹＭＥＮＴ！　ＦＯＲ　ＭＯＲＥ　ＩＮＦＯＲＭＡＴＩＯＮ，　ＣＨＥＣＫ　ＯＵＴ　ＯＵＲ　ＷＩＫＩ：　ＨＴＴＰ：／／ＥＳＯＬＡＮＧＳ < 1351893088 769424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lambdabot has lens now < 1351893098 272084 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should buy the TLD “esolangs” so that http://esolangs will work. < 1351893116 401424 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should buy the protocol “esolangs” so that esolangs: will work. < 1351893138 927107 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang:/esolang/esolang/esolang?esolang#esolang < 1351893145 447562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much does a protocol cost < 1351893152 752408 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :host an irc server on there too < 1351893167 688331 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however much it takes to bribe browser developers < 1351893182 560780 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/server esolangs < 1351893194 326195 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1351893203 648753 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should build our own Internet. < 1351893209 311846 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With booze and hookers and esolangs. < 1351893210 577199 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ！詳しく、ウィキを見て：　http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。（他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ） < 1351893263 360220 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ありがとう < 1351893305 217563 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn wercome エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ！詳しく、ウィキを見て：　http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。（他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ） < 1351893308 29611 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1351893315 335317 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-212-132.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: :) < 1351893375 29060 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '#!/usr/bin/perl -w\nif (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? wercome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "wercome"; }' > bin/wercome; chmod a+x bin/wercome < 1351893377 977116 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1351893380 738818 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wercome pikhq < 1351893384 272777 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wercome エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ！詳しく、ウィキを見て：　http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。（他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ） < 1351893390 319082 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... >_< < 1351893417 23772 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ！詳しく、ウィキを見て：　http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。（他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ）' > learndb/wercome < 1351893419 937823 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: learndb/wercome: No such file or directory < 1351893424 6587 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grr < 1351893443 971548 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ！詳しく、ウィキを見て：　http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。（他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ）' > wisdom/wercome < 1351893447 100470 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1351893451 815975 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wercome pikhq < 1351893454 916387 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: エソテリックプログラミング言語のディザインとデプロイメントの国際な場所へようこそ！詳しく、ウィキを見て：　http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page。（他のエソテリック、irc.dal.netの#esotericへ） < 1351893463 143404 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That took more effort than it deserved X-D < 1351893505 413975 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1351893505 671817 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1351893506 247065 :yiyus_!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1351893518 890386 :rodgort!~rodgort@69.164.210.242 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1351893668 827448 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1351893718 771512 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/wercome < 1351893721 752638 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1351893731 40585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: lambdabot has lens now < 1351893735 191990 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesnt lens use a ton of common names < 1351894019 537004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly. < 1351894073 766576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ("hello","world") % zipper % down _1 % fromWithin traverse % focus .~ 'J' % rightmost % focus .~ 'y' % rezip < 1351894075 151874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ("Jelly","world") < 1351894081 172916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well isnt that bad then < 1351894084 582043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "pretty crazy huh" < 1351894095 981250 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot should just import every single package on hackage < 1351894107 101191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1351894116 684783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how does this gel with edwardk updating lens every 2 days < 1351894120 722018 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lambdabot being updated every 0 < 1351894125 52260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should patch GHC so that if there's a name conflict, it picks the one with the most complicated type < 1351894144 959780 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351894146 654171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think you mean me updating lens every 2 days. < 1351894149 909906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: https://github.com/ekmett/lens/graphs/impact < 1351894152 968688 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn bonvenon Bonvenon al la internacia centro por la desegno kaj ellaso de esoteraj programlingvoj! Por pli da informado, vizitu la Viki-o: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Por la alia speco de esotero, iru al #esoteric sur irc.dal.net.) < 1351894155 724681 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1351894161 329556 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"true esoteric" < 1351894161 505590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :esperanto? < 1351894166 602650 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1351894179 680415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, shouldn't we have tervetuloa? < 1351894187 552914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And however you say "welcome" in Hexhammish. < 1351894198 966987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :esperanto is the "pointless brainfuck derivative" of constructed languages < 1351894207 636046 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s Lojban? < 1351894211 762492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :malbolge < 1351894214 65186 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1351894219 148712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :esperanto just seems pointless < 1351894219 196265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :malbolojban < 1351894225 381918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are already so many romance languages < 1351894229 295811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're pretty regular and easy to learn < 1351894235 988073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people actually use them < 1351894239 846277 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^.) < 1351894242 318592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall s a t b. s -> Getting a s t a b -> a < 1351894247 699058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand Mutator < 1351894253 282174 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lojban is binary lambda calculus < 1351894253 442004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does it ever get specialised to Mutator < 1351894254 392489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mutator = Identity < 1351894256 667246 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does it ever get specialised to Mutator < 1351894259 620603 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's so 'simple'!" < 1351894261 690418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that it appears in errors < 1351894263 977250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ^. doesn't use Mutator < 1351894267 820874 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1351894268 765488 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: But there are too many of them. Let’s make one that everyone can use! I’m sure everyone will switch to that one. < 1351894270 524347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^=) < 1351894271 870663 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall s (m :: * -> *) a e. (Integral e, Num a, MonadState s m) => SimpleSetting s a -> e -> m () < 1351894278 119514 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1351894279 860072 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1351894280 289797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess esperanto makes more sense in the 19th century context where all of europe hates each other and is super proud of their own shitty local things < 1351894284 345708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SimpleSetting uses Mutator < 1351894284 467867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where does Mutator come into play < 1351894289 776452 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type SimpleSetting s a = Setting s s a a < 1351894290 698111 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it? < 1351894296 66143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Setting s t a b = (a -> Mutator b) -> s -> Mutator t < 1351894300 901536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Setter s t a b = forall (f :: * -> *). Settable f => (a -> f b) -> s -> f t < 1351894301 513590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1351894301 791347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Setting s t a b = (a -> Mutator b) -> s -> Mutator t < 1351894303 638345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a "politically neutral language that transcends nationality" < 1351894303 685938 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1351894338 729254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you like Bazaar? < 1351894355 785176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a language that transcends rationality < 1351894361 55794 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1351894365 50957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a god that stays dead, not plays dead < 1351894413 841358 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Can you do those things? < 1351894420 822070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, even I, can play dead < 1351894444 868826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can you rationalize transcendentals? < 1351894453 987974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful < 1351894462 264082 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to gette some sleepe. < 1351894462 422186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats wrong with bazaar < 1351894485 479246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, there was a strictness bug in holesOf. < 1351894492 708908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's fixed. < 1351894497 487581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can you make it more safe?! < 1351894510 544180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more safe howso < 1351894517 268011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :holesOf :: LensLike (Bazaar a a) s t a a -> s -> [Context a a t] < 1351894517 541675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :holesOf l a = f (ins b) (outs b) where b = l sell a f [] _ = [] f (x:xs) g = Context (g . (:xs)) x : f xs (g . (x:)) < 1351894528 244602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ins :: Bazaar a b t -> [a] < 1351894528 292107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ins (Bazaar m) = getConst (m (Const . return)) < 1351894528 292282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :{-# INLINE ins #-} < 1351894534 244112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :outs :: Bazaar a a t -> [a] -> t < 1351894534 395646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :outs (Bazaar m) = evalState $ m $ \c -> state $ \cs -> case cs of [] -> (c,[]) (d:ds) -> (d,ds) < 1351894540 775730 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn välkommen Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för design och distribution av esoteriska programspråk! För mer information, se vår wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på irc.dal.net.) < 1351894542 31331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :See that? < 1351894543 301484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more safe howso < 1351894543 931314 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1351894555 877596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's using lists! < 1351894563 926134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares < 1351894568 758318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks total to me < 1351894577 253739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the problem < 1351894595 424447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePartsOf :: LensLike (Bazaar a b) s t a b -> Lens s t [a] [b] < 1351894595 558523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafePartsOf l f a = unsafeOuts b <$> f (ins b) where b = l sell a < 1351894598 934481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeOuts :: Bazaar a b t -> [b] -> t < 1351894599 89682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeOuts (Bazaar m) = evalState (m $ \_ -> state unsafeUncons) < 1351894610 452427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is it's ugly. :-( < 1351894651 223515 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :howso < 1351894663 825092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you write it < 1351894686 732240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1351894700 891477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Bazaar a b t = Bazaar { _runBazaar :: forall f. Applicative f => (a -> f b) -> f t } < 1351894702 36115 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks fine to me < 1351894707 808637 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem if anything is in the functions using it < 1351894709 270230 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fix them < 1351894712 647747 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :define your own f i guess < 1351894747 182966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The *problem* is that there's no type safety, elliott! < 1351894752 192192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"start caring plz" < 1351894785 313719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how there's no type safety < 1351894853 112102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's using regular lists, so how can you guarantee that it'll have the same number of elements? < 1351894910 633964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Bazaar a b t = forall n : Nat. Bazaar ((n -> b) -> t) (n -> a) < 1351894919 965880 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written some things on some paper I think there is some ways to make something like it having list of same number of elements, depending what you are doing with it there is the way. < 1351895094 650836 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but whats wrong with bazaar's definition < 1351895113 458333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing's wrong with *Bazaar*. < 1351895118 282592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the functions that are using it. < 1351895120 156499 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the right and left bazaar? What is it? < 1351895135 307975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What's a left and right bazaar? < 1351895160 21150 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so change the functions, not bazaar < 1351895171 950927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I never said anything about changing Bazaar. < 1351895182 989461 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just define your own f that works as both Const and State < 1351895192 690006 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know, it is why I asked. < 1351895209 816489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK, how? < 1351895218 253573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Can you believe there was once a time when you cared about crazy types like that? < 1351895237 547929 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I thought it was something like, newtype Bazaar a b t = Bazaar { _runBazaar :: forall f. Applicative f => (a -> f b) -> f t } being the right bazaar and data Bazaar a b t = forall n : Nat. Bazaar ((n -> b) -> t) (n -> a) being the left bazaar, or something like that. < 1351895286 933386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well there's such a thing as applicative product.... < 1351895296 365342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Those are isomorphic. < 1351895313 855766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er wait. < 1351895322 418311 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so just use product of const and state? < 1351895325 784441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Bazaar a b t = forall n : Nat. Bazaar ((Fin n -> b) -> t) (Fin n -> a) < 1351895332 868863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Which is what? < 1351895339 852566 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What is Fin in here? < 1351895348 541614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Product (Const a) (State b) < 1351895362 146078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Fin n = natural numbers < n < 1351895381 729078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Bazaar a b t = forall n : Nat. Bazaar (Vect n b -> t) (Vect n a) < 1351895385 848791 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK < 1351895453 913795 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :O so that is how they work, OK. < 1351895471 174116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for my category error before. < 1351895479 448478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's that? < 1351895484 109430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's what < 1351895491 833351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Product blah blah < 1351895495 344976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you write out the type? < 1351895510 877683 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :Im rebuilding my language < 1351895515 931088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also how does it help? < 1351895517 167814 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is a new command < 1351895519 343328 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat("This is a cat program", math(9, 9, "*")) < 1351895567 506123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/transformers/0.3.0.0/doc/html/Data-Functor-Product.html < 1351895604 691225 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shubshub: this language is the one taped onto python right < 1351895612 615841 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1351895624 355243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how that'll help. < 1351895632 937337 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you write math(9, 9, "*") instead of 9 * 9 < 1351895635 157177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can combine in and out < 1351895637 387123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: it's shorter < 1351895638 475927 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :less typing < 1351895641 106701 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what poison's good at < 1351895642 30331 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh < 1351895656 274334 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what would be really rad < 1351895667 561405 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!python, numeric python, maybe numeric python < 1351895667 656430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what < 1351895670 121671 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1351895688 227393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you like Bazaar < 1351895691 717795 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :no just no monqy < 1351895697 335495 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's bazarre < 1351895714 634605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it is spellt bizaar!!! < 1351895719 819599 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not < 1351895729 750122 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bezoar < 1351895749 903360 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4fdc3.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1351895798 50378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oh drat, you caught me < 1351895853 998555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: data Bazaar a b t = Buy t | Trade (Bazaar a b (b -> t)) a < 1351895854 152544 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1351895856 791312 :mindlessDrone!~mindlessd@vpn34-178.rz.hs-offenburg.de PART :#esoteric < 1351895878 811622 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1351895902 866341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Bazaar a b t = forall n : Nat. Bazaar (Vect n b -> t) (Vect n a) < 1351895927 333434 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1351895936 107603 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do < 1351895960 60402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :traverse < 1351895982 260505 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1351895991 674399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now do you like it < 1351896013 389492 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1351896025 952726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Bazaar a b t = forall f. Applicative f => (a -> f b) -> f t -- REAL DEFINITION < 1351896039 902141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Bazaar a b t = Bazaar { _runBazaar :: forall f. Applicative f => (a -> f b) -> f t } -- ACTUAL REAL DEFINITION < 1351896101 183724 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure < 1351896105 319039 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to be changing your mind a lot ! < 1351896126 416024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's a medical issue :'( < 1351896127 800220 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are all equivalent < 1351896130 715591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :changeminditis < 1351896141 516572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi copumpkin < 1351896143 325530 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1351896143 938202 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: A New And Much More Improved Interpreter For !!!Batch has Been developed It is Called !Py!Batch: Download It Here: http://www.mediafire.com/?9zx97k7zl04xk67 < 1351896155 373959 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: i've seen that < 1351896155 529397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: I fixed the holesOf bug! < 1351896160 551327 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :what bug? < 1351896179 580527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was too strict. < 1351896192 9292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no longer !" ! < 1351896200 342124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you you can use it on infinite lists and what not. < 1351896264 817361 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://codepad.org/jThI4mnL !!! < 1351896276 522063 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1351896283 89104 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :line 9 is the !!!Python code < 1351896292 288777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!Python = !Python < 1351896296 792555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in intuitionism !!! < 1351896298 311545 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo "exec e('')" is part of it < 1351896353 534847 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thhe encoding of the future < 1351896593 52515 :shubshub!~shubshub@248.192.252.27.dyn.cust.vf.net.nz PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1351896602 167527 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1351896603 877595 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1351896634 360509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1351896653 666765 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey remember that time we all set our names to some variation of "monqy" and said hi like a billion times < 1351896660 244158 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither < 1351896672 507069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1351896695 251416 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody is innocent < 1351896715 865636 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok because that means you're not innocent < 1351896719 164991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :partner in crime < 1351896781 981746 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi? < 1351896820 291394 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hi. < 1351896838 131255 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hej! < 1351896857 832420 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.124.106 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoi < 1351896866 474313 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1351896894 80054 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :soup? no, no soup < 1351897032 945959 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, macgyver ran long enough to have episodes taking place after the wallfall < 1351897981 377519 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what previously appeared to just be poor attention to keeping up the german accent, might actually be in-character < 1351898109 394443 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a game with backgammon and chess together http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSbackgammonches < 1351899068 590468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Is "shachaf" a variation of monqy? < 1351899225 137401 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, it's the rot13 of monqy < 1351899250 750393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1351899252 913970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 monqy < 1351899253 375701 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zbadl < 1351899260 57823 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, shachaf < 1351899266 209422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Where's oerjan? < 1351899269 172952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss oerjan. < 1351899278 101871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All we have is this cheap knock-off. < 1351899352 586133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙮrjan < 1351899390 964088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@∀rr < 1351899391 312473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1351899392 656732 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan?? < 1351899395 58575 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan! < 1351899402 878997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o oerjan < 1351899487 727444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet he'll never come back. < 1351899519 43110 :zzo38!~zzo38@d173-180-211-1.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much money do you want to bet? < 1351899546 446685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet you one Bazaar function. < 1351899556 575965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you read _The Bottle Imp_? < 1351899578 293707 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-10-11.txt:07:53:38: -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: See you in a few days if I survive). < 1351899578 384267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By Robert Louis Stevenson. < 1351899578 430533 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-10-11.txt:07:56:19: -!- oerjan has joined #esoteric. < 1351899578 430687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-10-11.txt:07:57:09: Just realized I probably shouldn't imply that I expect not to survive hospital :P < 1351899578 430799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-10-11.txt:07:57:12: -!- oerjan has quit (Client Quit). < 1351899584 176747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the only thing of his that I've read. < 1351899603 807786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :-( < 1351899606 824318 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Maybe you shouldn't make jokes about oerjan dying. < 1351899629 332967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan sorry < 1351899629 507380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1351899633 376639 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1351899644 883008 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1351899647 504239 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's been almost 20 days. < 1351899655 822614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... not reassuring. < 1351899663 779774 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, s/almost/over/ < 1351899678 286935 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try to get in contact with him. < 1351899716 52572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should. < 1351899732 200456 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if he just doesn't want to be here? < 1351899742 31504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :impossible < 1351899767 912287 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's perfectly possible... I never said I was going to drag him kicking and screaming back to the channel. < 1351899845 757177 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wouldn't be kicking and screaming if you chain and gag him first < 1351899920 192419 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I will just send him an email. < 1351899940 501335 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :caulk < 1351899999 505776 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Instead of taking up your entire Gmail window, clicking Compose now opens a smaller window at the bottom of your screen." < 1351900000 428738 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good. < 1351900003 290732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just what i always wanted. < 1351900058 254839 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351900226 403837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, what is it? < 1351900246 485555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to oerjan? < 1351900259 199329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A short story. < 1351900267 712651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember enjoying it years ago but that was years ago. < 1351900271 757341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should read it in English. < 1351900298 934178 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the story of oerjan? < 1351900311 582015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: last time he was in the channel was: < 1351900314 418194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2012-10-11.txt:07:53:38: -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: See you in a few days if I survive). < 1351900314 464448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2012-10-11.txt:07:56:19: -!- oerjan has joined #esoteric. < 1351900314 464624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2012-10-11.txt:07:57:09: Just realized I probably shouldn't imply that I expect not to survive hospital :P < 1351900314 464732 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2012-10-11.txt:07:57:12: -!- oerjan has quit (Client Quit). < 1351900333 679728 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably he's just recovering or whatever < 1351900341 795261 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's getting on close to a month now < 1351900343 666968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you try to get in contact with him? < 1351900355 794265 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what < 1351900358 302009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said that like a few minutes ago < 1351900367 240411 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes time to do things < 1351900698 494443 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, he last edited the wiki on 27 October. < 1351900700 900188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it doesn't help that from what oerjan's told us he's pretty recluded < 1351900703 826535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... no need to worry, I guess. < 1351900744 590703 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless he set up a bot to make it look like he was alive? < 1351900774 406270 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet he's logreading this right now < 1351900778 372506 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Come on. < 1351900779 218238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AREN'T YOU ØRJAN