< 1351382426 841056 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :X1 Carbon with i7 processor and 8 GB of RAM < 1351382455 162876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to thinness the RAM is soldered on and can't be upgraded :/ < 1351382486 79226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the US site you can get the best CPU or the best RAM but not both at once :( < 1351382513 350721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Soon Haswell will come out and it won't be the best CPU anymore. < 1351382523 53834 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true enough < 1351382530 749095 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't i just by "the best CPU for all time"? < 1351382538 396257 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/by/buy/ s/i/I/ < 1351382567 720152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is cerqvpgnoyrchaf a haswell instruction < 1351382575 221621 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, carbon was an actual part of the name, I thought it was generally refering to any carbon fibery lenovo model starting with "x" < 1351382587 60142 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is pretty much all of them) < 1351382588 978020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, this one is... more carbon fibery < 1351382599 250116 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, that gzips a buffer. < 1351382686 109917 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, rep cerqvpgnoyrchaf does. Without the rep prefix it consumes a single byte of the to-be-gzip'd stream (of course) < 1351382690 478707 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they typically use carbon fiber reinforced plastic, together with magnesium alloy < 1351382994 688747 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new keyboard style looks flimsy though < 1351383118 819572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone who has reviewed it says it's great < 1351383162 329492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i literally have not heard a single bad thing from anyone who has actually used it < 1351383172 212883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of nerd rage from thinkpad diehards looking at photos, though < 1351383196 224086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you can really tell if it's flimsy from photos < 1351383212 406477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll also note that the internal mechanism of the beloved 'classic keyboard' changed all the time < 1351383306 629988 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1351383514 929012 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1351383591 326698 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351383692 428944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: welcome back < 1351383856 191686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all laptop keyboards hurt my hands; they can't compare to the kinesis < 1351383937 383058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a kinesis keyboard for my phone. < 1351383942 181891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could call it a telekinesis. < 1351383954 642926 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1351385545 309881 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: today I actually understood how Django's CSRF protection works < 1351385573 103505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it an unusual sort of CSRF protection? < 1351385578 630280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1351385586 697039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps i actually understood how CSRF protection works in general < 1351385597 147039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does Django's work? < 1351385612 272346 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do djangos work? < 1351385620 804058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the server makes up a random value and sets it in a cookie < 1351385632 925454 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also arranges that all form submissions will include this value in a hidden < 1351385651 157575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when a request comes in, the server doesn't know what the "right" random value is < 1351385658 199059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just checks that the cookie matches the form field < 1351385674 961915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's CSRF protection in general, I think. < 1351385679 140630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1351385685 224818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is the usual way < 1351385690 597935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would it mean for it to know the "right" random value? That it would store a value in a database and look it up from your session cookie? < 1351385710 178731 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's still cookie-indexed, so I don't think you gain much. < 1351385711 697726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right -- I think in that case there's no point in it being distinct from the session ID < 1351385734 523061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You usually do want to avoid using the session cookie itself as the CSRF token. < 1351385740 383134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had a system where the session ID is submitted with every request, that would also be safe against CSRF < 1351385749 685580 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would be insecure in other ways < 1351385758 166527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally JavaScript doesn't have access to the session ID at all. < 1351385765 939440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i haven't thought through which specifically; it just seems like a bad idea < 1351385768 863011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's one of them < 1351385814 367418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one advantage of it not being part of the session is that you can protect not-logged-in views, including the login page < 1351385865 592751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, session /= login < 1351385867 767904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes. < 1351385878 76003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1351385997 129871 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know enough about web security < 1351385999 182829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta learn more < 1351386070 567040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found multiple web bugs in a web application that's running on my computer right now. :-( < 1351386079 51679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1351386086 996712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including broken XSS protection and pretty broken CSRF protection. < 1351386111 198377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, double-free or something. But I didn't have any luck tracking it down last time. < 1351386161 335053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably report it... < 1351386281 635495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is broken about them? < 1351386308 578561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A CSRF token is generated based on a very complicated algorithm seeded with time(NULL). < 1351386322 551482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a web page that you normally never visit. < 1351386386 598297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1351386423 993015 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the significance of the latter is that you keep the same one for a long time? < 1351386427 521539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you report those two problems? < 1351386556 739824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, because I was hoping to track down the other problem and make them all work together. < 1351386569 658568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Individually they're relatively minor bugs but code-execution-by-visiting-a-webpage-on-a-default-Debian-install would be more fun to have found. < 1351386628 176519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This might be silly reasoning. :-) < 1351386653 599578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1351386660 897804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I mention this is a custom-written C web server that runs as root (and some CGI scripts also written in C)? < 1351386668 520971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it cups < 1351386679 37776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1351386686 728482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expected that you'd find it from what I said. :-) < 1351386689 940633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1351386702 962470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I report the bugs? < 1351386707 823899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not remotely accessible by default, though, is it? but I suppose an attacker can always make you visit a link to it < 1351386717 355438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remotely accessible? < 1351386731 884219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the web server only accepts connections on localhost, or no? < 1351386764 749569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should report it < 1351386794 564354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should. < 1351386809 648266 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351386840 390317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have some XSS protection but it's broken. < 1351386891 912259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found at least three real bugs, and know of one more that I haven't managed to track down yet. < 1351387001 985319 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1351387014 215479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, https://cups.org/ has an invalid certificate. < 1351387145 533154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CUPS is an Apple thing, right? < 1351387260 211329 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They bought it, yes. < 1351387447 475352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you see http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/postxss/ ? < 1351387636 280025 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1351390384 644115 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the worst part of living on campus is the random screams piercing the night < 1351391509 922791 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, precisely, does your campus have random screams piercing the night? < 1351391616 781438 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the first time in a very long time, I have purchased a book on programming < 1351392043 208284 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> The Joy of Clojure < 1351392163 372087 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's it compare to The Joy of Sex? < 1351392408 314502 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I'm not keen to investigate. < 1351392473 139619 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Normally, I'd say it's quite inferior < 1351392476 941319 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with Sgeo, I'm unsure < 1351393388 442716 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351394867 535798 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1351394908 336905 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1351398483 968693 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Have you heard the news? (perhaps a bit slow, but still) < 1351398500 972021 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which news? < 1351398513 946286 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nov. 10. FiM. Just sayin'. < 1351398521 172201 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, of course I have. < 1351398555 186436 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :See also: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=4008180436991&l=9e2e2cbb5d < 1351398568 169138 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1351398573 375815 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did see that one. < 1351398584 464483 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we *are* "friends" on Facebook) < 1351398596 430286 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but things tend to go unnoticed on FB *shrugs* < 1351398604 407596 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you guess what the remaining component is? ;) < 1351398666 211487 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sense a distinct lack of horn? < 1351398673 394310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1351398744 888920 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0070QMUFA/ < 1351398750 425226 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall be what nightmares are made of. < 1351398766 596954 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1351398832 875882 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's even got blue eyes. < 1351399096 545394 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, how do you make nightmares, then? < 1351399194 256056 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nightmares are made out of him. Meaning, Gregor needs to be ground up into a fine powder, and this powder is then mixed with a dream. < 1351399229 556086 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :samsa? < 1351399272 509146 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bugs are boring nightmares. < 1351399275 498644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that is how you are going to do it. < 1351399284 639807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you believe in leap months? < 1351399331 607896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leap months? I don't think so (although it might depend on the calendar). < 1351399391 721363 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the name "INTERCALARIS" < 1351399441 538436 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which of course belongs between FEBRVARIVS and MARTIVS. < 1351399508 90393 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es JOIN :#esoteric < 1351399523 248753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so you want 29 Feb to be not called a day of a month, is that what you mean? < 1351399541 757499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What if there was a leap month called "Sanctuary". < 1351399543 132806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1351399550 33700 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm just being silly. < 1351399589 226023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what if we had 13 months of 28 days each < 1351399591 434900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 13 * 28 < 1351399592 808141 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 364 < 1351399597 517676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coïncidence??????? < 1351399631 46979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also various other calendar systems, and depending how important you want seasons to line up, what features of days of week, and other things. < 1351399633 777113 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not 5 months of 73 days? < 1351399642 928259 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the 11:11 phenomena? < 1351399654 245408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That is the Discordian calendar is it not? < 1351399654 632475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :energumenoqy brings up a good point < 1351399659 18172 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Is it? < 1351399669 571178 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is. < 1351399695 672293 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any coherence to the current calendar < 1351399696 142165 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure enough. < 1351399708 137275 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, any good reason that different months are different lengths? < 1351399711 315288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then the 29 Feb will be called St.Tib's day, so not belonging to a day of week or to a month. < 1351399737 937675 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :jung's archetiype is the key to all the abstract concepts < 1351399762 912518 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome energumeno < 1351399766 985142 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :energymeno: Can you please be more specific? < 1351399773 515729 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :energumeno: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1351399774 51698 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi sgeo! < 1351399785 396800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And does 11:11 phenomena have what to do with what? < 1351399796 611972 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me look it up in Wikipedia. < 1351399814 135806 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Only historical: the ancient Roman calendar had irregular months. < 1351399827 544680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Numerologists believe that events linked to the time 11:11 appear more often than can be explained by chance or coincidence." It is nonsense, as far as I am concerned. < 1351399838 128691 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did the ancient Roman calendar have irregualr months? < 1351399848 606589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Good question maybe Wikipedia has that too. < 1351399850 69863 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown. < 1351399859 781700 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly something to do with the moon? < 1351399860 462040 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly because ROMVLVS said so. < 1351399862 618125 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :the digital programming is a binary sequence < 1351399889 191945 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was augustus and julius being arrogant, or is that an urban legend < 1351399921 270688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :energumeno: I do not understand what point you are trying to make, although I guess it is correct yes the digital programming is a binary sequence, in computer machine codes, whatever < 1351399932 824474 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :frequencies are modulating something in our brains < 1351399943 198686 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Nah, Julius was just making a sane modification to already-extant Roman practice. < 1351399966 425167 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replacing an inconsistent intercalary month with a consistent intercalary day. < 1351399990 49815 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen the 23 film? < 1351399990 918310 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. I didn't know that. < 1351399992 103192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :energumeno: Yes I think it is, frequencies are modulating something in everything, I do not understand what you are trying to make. < 1351399998 496021 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a good point of references < 1351399998 877085 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And changed some month lengths slightly so the year was 365 or 366 days, instead of 355 or 377 or 378 days. < 1351400006 205471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I have not seen the 23 film. < 1351400038 137215 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the length of the month Intercalaris varied slightly) < 1351400040 161909 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :Film is about a hacker's history < 1351400045 136075 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I have a feeling energumeno is exactly the sort of person looking for the other kind of esoteric. < 1351400060 329933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I agree, but I try to answer question anyways. < 1351400072 769380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough < 1351400094 191320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, OK, I can see about that film on Wikipedia now. < 1351400105 634862 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo "yes and not" jajaja < 1351400176 287471 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me know if the number 3 starts appearing everywhere and everyone has a sense of deja vu < 1351400214 508346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Apophenia is the experience of seeing meaningful patterns or connections in random or meaningless data." Yes this can certainly happen. It is one way to give you ideas, certainly, even though there is not a real objective patterns. It is also synchronicity, I think? < 1351400277 789138 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For example almost every culture has a savior that has come back from heaven or the dead, or reincarnation is a main point of the belief. Jesus for example in the Christian texts and also Buddhists and Hindus have reincarnation as a principal part of their religion, these being principal parts of many religions." These are things I have noticed. < 1351400277 882747 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 apophenia is a compulsive finding about patterns < 1351400282 783648 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A book I read about more than 3 dimensions had a chapter on synchronicity, no idea why. It seemed to buy into that sort of mysterious gunk < 1351400297 40798 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But other than that it was a good book < 1351400307 563625 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :energumeno: O, yes, OK. < 1351400322 659546 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a life-death-rebirth deity, often linked to farming. < 1351400356 945422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I cannot understand either, it doesn't make much sense. Perhaps a sentence or footnote about synchronicity might go, but (at least without knowing much about the book) it doesn't seem like it ought to have a chapter of it. < 1351400391 702569 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might not have been a full chapter < 1351400394 106562 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember < 1351400539 791965 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I link wiki's refs here? < 1351400578 286499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :energumeno: What refs specifically? Link some, if we don't like it we can tell you < 1351400621 355638 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synchronicity's scientific refs < 1351400699 28352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, link some, I don't care. (Maybe others do, but I don't care) < 1351400713 917737 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synchronicity < 1351400714 720459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I will look if I want to. < 1351400719 546601 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I read that already. < 1351400729 880469 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok! < 1351400792 308506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can understand, it refers to a subjective grouping of events rather than objective. < 1351400891 573396 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm not at all. the first lawer of shynchronicity is that phenomena isn't pre-subjetive < 1351400925 876160 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :subjetivity is post-phenomena < 1351400963 866617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes, subjectivity is post-phenomena, but I don't think that violates what I have said. < 1351401113 853755 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :trouble is: how phenomena is rapping the law of space-time < 1351401165 184034 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Again, I do not understand you. < 1351401263 916276 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen PI film? < 1351401304 834212 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bug theory (yes the same that computing) is the explanation < 1351401327 645664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I have not seen. < 1351401366 378993 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :is very good (and very rare) < 1351401400 231733 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure what a "bug theory" is. < 1351401420 709514 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :heisenberg's indeterminacy theory < 1351401453 640395 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :the eye can't see himself < 1351401457 473654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle? < 1351401485 405195 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1351401500 989190 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1351401735 191546 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle can tell how you cannot know the position and momentum precisely simultaneously. < 1351401786 424935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some things about physics, and I like physics and mathematics. < 1351401832 629282 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, in other words I think, when a person is nearing the true, the true protects itself, the bug, the shynchronicity is the mask < 1351402408 202749 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spin numbers' dancing < 1351402411 175503 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the true"? < 1351402411 258783 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suffer this phenomena in my life continuosly < 1351402415 751793 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :palindromic numbers seeing... < 1351402419 960741 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :redundant people shynchronicities... < 1351402422 440110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :life-after-death-ville < 1351402422 918463 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand why shynchronicitie often primes about some people < 1351402423 220526 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc ufffff! < 1351402425 756678 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have interests in philosophy too. < 1351402426 4422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the welcome message says, you may have been looking for the other kind of esoteric, which is not known a lot by people on this channel. Nevertheless, we can and do discuss a variety of things in this channel, including things like that possibly. < 1351402428 385207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am mainly interested in mathematics, physics, computer programming, etc but I know some things about various other topics as well: astrology, religion, linguistics, various others too a few things. I also play Dungeons&Dragons game. < 1351402442 854357 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1351402446 358323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :energumeno: Probably just because you notice it, I guess. < 1351402508 940717 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran QUIT :Excess Flood < 1351402538 946003 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok zzo38, this is a baffling topic < 1351402600 575281 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran JOIN :#esoteric < 1351402605 834689 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I begin to be afraid... < 1351402657 508836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I don't know for sure; I just guess. < 1351402742 408428 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :23 film's hacker was a "real" history < 1351402760 61521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are various phenomena that are not yet known. The same applies to mathematics and to physics, and it is even proven. < 1351402963 305465 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :why people separate mathematics and physics? < 1351402984 649268 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :separates < 1351403000 7908 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, math covers a *lot* more than merely physics for one. < 1351403024 528987 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this is < 1351403040 184614 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :math is a tool for physics < 1351403054 286671 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1351403077 33254 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not the sum total *of* math, but that is one of its use cases, yes. < 1351403130 606033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A button to touch, a dial to turn, a key to hold < 1351403148 918936 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm math is a tool for all < 1351403175 375470 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :a conjunt of all < 1351403199 977231 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :to infinite abstractions < 1351403230 674394 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, math is used for a lot of things. Mathematics can also be studied for just itself too, even if the area studied is not currently being used for something else too. < 1351403353 18750 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think physics is applied mathematics simply < 1351403401 959901 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are others who said the same. < 1351403549 433900 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :some physicists would want to kill me... jajaja < 1351404170 819020 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1351404171 775063 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran QUIT :*.net *.split < 1351404191 337313 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1351404202 558324 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1351404202 814945 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :*.net *.split < 1351404208 129761 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :*.net *.split < 1351404208 211175 :MoALTz!~no@host86-132-136-34.range86-132.btcentralplus.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1351404208 408569 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :energumeno: Physics is one instance of applied mathematics, indeed. < 1351404208 489252 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computing is another instance. < 1351404214 169153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to infinity and beyond < 1351404214 269975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how do you feel about x["t"] === x.t < 1351404214 370862 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PART :#esoteric < 1351404214 451587 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, returning to coincidences' phenomena, i think the key is the "kaos theory" or how microscopical physics is influencing "over" macroscopic physics < 1351404214 532313 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1351404214 612865 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :how collective thinking is influencing "over" random < 1351404215 530033 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.buryl.com/Collective_thought.htm < 1351404216 69257 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think about that? < 1351404289 696357 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1351404390 508634 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes ok, but a instance is a materialized abstraction < 1351404410 443706 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :physics is a abstraction himself < 1351404463 766263 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instance is not appropiated for this < 1351404537 223942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1351404537 305758 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1351404537 305887 :MoALTz!~no@host86-132-136-34.range86-132.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1351404585 713003 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would say physics or computing are interfaces of mathematics... < 1351404643 661591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1351404701 955897 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351405043 216148 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1351405092 694156 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :well gentlemen I'll rest a while... < 1351405103 58863 :energumeno!~energumen@92.91.16.95.dynamic.jazztel.es PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye :-) < 1351405114 413574 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1351405264 202380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric 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:Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1351430216 745745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1351430643 75814 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1351437622 421599 :augur_!~augur@pool-71-191-107-6.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351437623 734433 :augur!~augur@pool-71-191-107-6.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351440237 573490 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351440370 180549 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1351440831 880879 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351441014 366247 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1351441569 53327 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow they are shutting down the new york city subway for this storm < 1351441589 459130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the subway almost never shuts down < 1351441593 912523 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351441767 622031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You know things about mod files, right? < 1351441937 775233 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-230-15.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1351442083 397926 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1351442346 87901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about that. I had to learn quite a bit about the .it format when writing that one player, and I've dabbled a bit with some of the others. < 1351443185 599353 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351443320 481658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I was wondering if you could, like, recommend a player. For Linux. < 1351443345 988986 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really need to update Phantom_Hoover's tumblr at some point < 1351443361 280101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to know a good player myself. I used to like Cubic Player on DOS, but opencubicplayer has underwhelmed. Lately I've just been using xmp. < 1351443438 599281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I just used this XMPlay thing in Wine. (It was for a purpose.) (It was awful.) < 1351443522 349585 :barts__!~barts@p4FD0E0A4.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351443719 770399 :barts_!~barts@p57AEB1B1.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1351444419 652 :atriq!~Taneb@115.Red-80-24-138.staticIP.rima-tde.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1351444489 528293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :CP had a würfel mode. < 1351444709 447039 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Run OpenMPT in wine < 1351444725 46522 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything else is inaccurate < 1351445018 111950 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah, I'm annoyed by this storm and I live several hundred k inland < 1351445035 607297 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to pull out my winter jacket tomorrow < 1351445070 6173 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What's a good language? < 1351445439 809753 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Sucker. < 1351445571 560532 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jim Florentine – Terrorizing Telemarketers 2 – Broken Record http://open.spotify.com/track/1FwqzJruXtMzcvQ0rRBH0v < 1351445604 262278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hungarian < 1351446351 507677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :magyar < 1351446445 698420 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Programming. :( < 1351446548 832313 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-135-7.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351446666 466198 :augur_!~augur@pool-71-191-107-6.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1351446826 963999 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-52.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1351446827 44715 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-52.elisa.ee QUIT :Client Quit < 1351446855 767806 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1351447015 637279 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1351447181 918987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should make a programming language called "what" < 1351447211 159225 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329a1a.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1351447236 914894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: :( < 1351447353 552406 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2083649206/the-d-programming-language-conference-2013-0 i am shocked that there is $15k worth of care for D in the world < 1351447355 858605 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: how much did you donate :P < 1351447402 892954 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The D community is a meritocracy comprising talented, ambitious, and opinionated hackers." < 1351447416 566941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahaha < 1351447417 916616 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know it's not a democracy or anything < 1351447431 892843 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love open source "meritocracies" < 1351447436 268444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka shouting matches < 1351447436 349196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just the regular sort of cracy. < 1351447437 343859 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's meritocracy! < 1351447441 931468 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means we hand out commit bits pseudo-randomly < 1351447454 4561 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can shun people without having to justify it < 1351447461 787490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a meritocracy you show your merit by being a huge asshole to everyone, especially on mailing lists < 1351447471 345259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they put up with you, it means your code is good < 1351447473 156014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed < 1351447506 374635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone who leaves because the community is full of assholes had no merit anyway < 1351447517 641088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nb: I have no idea what the D community specifically is like) < 1351447553 325702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that it seems to be 100% white men, from that picture < 1351447557 640354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1351447564 750875 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the KRYPTONITE SPONSORSHIP levels of the kickstarte are sold. :/ < 1351447572 151896 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word meritocracy was apparently coined sarcastically < 1351447614 969211 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: aren't you in range too? < 1351447649 417895 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351447650 447664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think the D community is fairly good as far as language communities go < 1351447667 9331 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like walter bright is a smart guy < 1351447671 241702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately their toolchain is shiiiiiiiiiiiiit < 1351447684 531995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the barrier to entry is being able to figure out how the fuck to compile D code < 1351447690 344378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: heh < 1351447735 879211 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1351447756 95839 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the article in question had similar objections to yours, but I don't remember < 1351447893 613727 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"KRYPTONITE SPONSORSHIP. Because indeed D gives superhuman abilities!" < 1351447908 872493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys do you know what kryptonite does < 1351447926 513599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes bike locks < 1351447936 442889 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1351447948 940453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does an incredible variety of things, depending on color. < 1351448050 878370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kryptonite#Variations lists 18 variations, many with more than one supposed effect. < 1351448053 295528 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there has to be some kind of opposite superman that feeds on krypton < 1351448058 430954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ite < 1351448065 37890 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1351448078 288601 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In post-Crisis continuity, Mister Mxyzptlk creates what he calls red kryptonite in the "Krisis of the Krimson Kryptonite" story arc" < 1351448079 224269 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok seriously < 1351448083 217036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the stupidest fucking arc name ever < 1351448098 121584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Blue kryptonite is the Bizarro analogue to green kryptonite. Using Bizarro logic, this, in general, hurts Bizarros while having beneficial effects on ordinary Kryptonians." < 1351448100 381100 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha i was right!! < 1351448120 116860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The regular green one either gives you (a regular human) cancer, or superpowers. < 1351448120 909664 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: In range of what? < 1351448136 986325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What odds are we talking here? < 1351448139 347631 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :50% cancer, 50% superpower? < 1351448142 107364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1351448149 217001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you already have cancer < 1351448164 33432 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it depends on where you're from, or something. But I'm no expert. < 1351448167 939487 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm merely in a cold area, but it's usually cold this time of year! I am evolved to meet the demands! < 1351448171 70540 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1351448176 649248 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it mean both together or is exclusive? < 1351448192 75828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it gives you cancer, but also gives you the superpower that you're immune to cancer < 1351448192 410491 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cancer is not a very good superpower < 1351448260 132889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can possibly make kryptonite if krypton is a noble gas. < 1351448305 158037 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Krypton can form bonds. < 1351448327 350649 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys does nvidia's propeirteirtiertary linux driver support kms < 1351448331 586075 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1351448332 585085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Kryptonite is not made out of krypton. < 1351448343 358437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lex luthor is bald because he has kryptonite cancer? < 1351448347 977167 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No. < 1351448357 751455 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: seriously? < 1351448360 394771 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :( < 1351448361 822194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what about ati < 1351448367 633730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's an alloy of "15.08% plutonium, 18.06% tantalum, 27.71% xenon, 24.02% promethium, 10.62% dialium, 3.94% mercury, and 0.57% of an unknown substance." < 1351448370 99927 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also no. < 1351448379 376910 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :( < 1351448385 232087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what about the open-source ones (are any of them good) < 1351448386 977487 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel is the only company for which the *official* drivers support KMS. < 1351448389 374636 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: where did you get that? < 1351448407 307913 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then "kryptonite" is not a very good name for it. < 1351448407 538802 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For ATI, the open source drivers work decently. Lower 3D performance, but higher everything else performance. < 1351448414 309935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: The same Wikipedia page where the variants come from. < 1351448415 518998 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't tell you about Nouveau. < 1351448427 259709 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's made out of one thing that doesn't exist, a noble gas, and an element with a half-life of at most 17 years < 1351448431 709479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How much lower 3D performance are we talking here? < 1351448432 92787 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and plutonium < 1351448446 556923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder you get cancer from it < 1351448460 706175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: O, so if you don't want 3D then you ought to use open source drivers. Is that it? < 1351448473 87278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's related to the *planet* Krypton, not the element krypton. I think. < 1351448480 818099 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Maybe a little lower framerate? I've gotten shitty performance for both on my GPU, so. < 1351448515 30951 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone suggested the theory that superman doesn't actually lose his powers but rather all of it goes to repairing cancer cells? < 1351448526 941288 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Still that doesn't seem to make it a very good name for it. < 1351448530 698290 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: You have. < 1351448610 921934 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, he must get supercancer for that to work < 1351448740 390731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so has anyone heard about a massive leather surplus in australia around the turn of the millennium < 1351448757 774069 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to be the only rational explanation for farscape's costumes < 1351449690 436728 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1351449969 548899 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1351450125 714353 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the oncoming storm < 1351450134 305545 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that one) < 1351450435 943943 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Nope. < 1351450452 973009 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colorado is pretty damned far from the east coast. < 1351450460 880462 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so it is < 1351450471 121530 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason I thought you were near Michigan < 1351450477 225914 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even close. < 1351450497 875433 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the storm warnings say to have 3 days of supplies... I hope that doesn't become necessar < 1351450515 127142 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I will try to hole up in the university rather than my house if bad things happen < 1351450519 995088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you? < 1351450523 239672 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though that seems unlikely) < 1351450525 110233 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :waterloo, ontario < 1351450528 110652 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1351450589 943328 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i read that as waterloo, waterloo < 1351450599 96641 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too < 1351451803 173342 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@dsl-olubrasgw2-fe6bf800-88.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1351452384 741381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Apparently Stripe is unlikely to run the "misuse of crypto" CTF < 1351452388 446694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we should do it! < 1351453134 336322 :barts__!~barts@p4FD0E0A4.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1351454158 570106 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spot where i used to live in NYC is under mandatory evacuation < 1351454183 31954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to figure out a good plan to progress in this Dungeons&Dragons game; I need to trap the chancellor and rescue the king. I have some ideas, such as somehow telling the chancellor something by psychic communication (I don't know what to say), to try scrying the chancellor and/or king if possible, I have a few other ideas too but I don't konw all else. < 1351454249 186980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have other idea what to do afterward, whether interrogation, anti-magic, to even modify my own memory, make fake plans, various ways to trick anyone trying to figure us out. < 1351454260 502037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then finally we can kill the demon. < 1351454286 16723 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@dsl-olubrasgw2-fe6bf800-88.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1351454433 998902 :barts_!~barts@p4FFB1AF4.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351454454 422655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any better ideas? < 1351454468 608708 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :today I learned: mandrake is a hallusiogenic plant < 1351454475 466349 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it would help to know some more things about the chancellor and about the king. < 1351454526 400296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Now you know! < 1351454552 775652 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes me wonder why was mandrake linux named mandrake linux < 1351454701 520323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know either. Maybe Wikipedia will tell you why? < 1351454794 929174 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1351454897 926724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seem to say. I don't see a link tell you why, either. < 1351455499 153764 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1351455954 978150 :barts_!~barts@p4FFB1AF4.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1351456013 198904 :barts_!~barts@p4FFB1AF4.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351456389 880779 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351456519 501209 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1351456762 610688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is this based on new information? < 1351456810 313152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which? < 1351456862 422091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:26 shachaf: Apparently Stripe is unlikely to run the "misuse of crypto" CTF < 1351457311 731345 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1351457361 841935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So a "lens" is just a mapM over some arbitrary structure. < 1351457389 317356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to modify you use Identity. If you want to read you use something like Writer to sneak the values out. < 1351457435 92124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty nifty the way it all works out. < 1351457585 75460 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351457684 332867 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: someone told me this recently, i think it was nelson but it might have been you < 1351457705 311465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351457717 40275 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1351457736 506974 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351457788 34216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I phrased it that way before? < 1351457820 33636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's actually Applicative-style Applicative f => (a -> f b) -> t a -> f (t b) < 1351457829 165066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i think it was nelson < 1351457842 111592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you restrict it to Functor instead of Applicative, you get an actual lens. < 1351457867 575818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's cool < 1351457875 217847 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if moving to HexChat was worth it < 1351457878 234790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Monoid m => Applicative (Writer m) < 1351457888 706261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which lets it return zero-or-more values. < 1351457899 595129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas the Functor instance lets it return exactly one value. < 1351457911 359835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty nifty how it all works out. < 1351457957 366712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's actually using Const instead of Writer.) < 1351457977 642106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you restrict f to Identity or Const, you get read-only or write-only versions. < 1351457980 35057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what is it? < 1351457987 544087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i can google that < 1351458008 15895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: HexChat is a program that lets you talk to people in Hexham. < 1351458037 713197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I apt-get upgraded chromium and now libpdf.so won't work. :-( < 1351458041 784589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you use libpdf.so? < 1351458048 235487 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah, that makes so much sense < 1351458074 134290 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rebranded and new direction for XChat-WDK I think < 1351458090 690139 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And considers itself to be a successor to X-Chat < 1351458198 101834 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....o...k..... http://www.hexchat.org/home/fakes < 1351458211 111583 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is now wondering if he should walk away slowly
< 1351458239 793421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I wrote a blog post about monads in brainfuck, do you think it'd get massively upvoted on proggit? < 1351458248 624285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably can't be bothered to either way, btw < 1351458251 248283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just curious < 1351458383 818545 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads is brainfuck? < 1351458421 135438 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1351458438 154896 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i've lost track of where proggit is in the haskell infatuation / haskell backlash cycle < 1351458471 581777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what 'monads in brainfuck' would mean at all < 1351458473 942202 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db427f9.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351458486 817169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it means 'monads in a functional language i've implemented on top of brainfuck' < 1351458496 569893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by "functional" i mean the old definition of "has functions" ;P < 1351458684 681967 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun assignment: run the simplex method by hand < 1351458691 256855 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing can go wrong right? < 1351458702 961211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps if you are going to have monads in brainfuck, first you need a category, so that you can have monads. < 1351458772 768612 :barts__!~barts@p50896B9B.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351458981 186131 :barts_!~barts@p4FFB1AF4.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1351459002 454785 :augur_!~augur@pool-71-178-135-7.washdc.east.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351459154 990052 :augur!~augur@pool-71-178-135-7.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1351459236 81979 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351459246 776529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nah, you can map the general concept onto BF < 1351459293 883051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just have to evaluate the higher-order functions by hand < 1351459332 765192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically things like replacing all < and > by << and >> in order to use the cells in between as working space < 1351459345 288318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the same sort of idea < 1351459356 535980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: categories generally aren't hard to find < 1351459446 512072 :augur_!~augur@pool-71-178-135-7.washdc.east.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1351459682 4603 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1351459932 604778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it < 1351459934 992605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you elaborate? < 1351459955 126058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying that "replace < with << and then use the space inbetween somehow" is an example of a monad in BF? < 1351460153 79343 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by replacing > with >> you have DOUBLED the infinity... that has to boost one's self-confidence! < 1351460184 16363 :guest_81723!bd06fc64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.252.100 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351460233 3864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of thing is also very common in computability theory proofs < 1351460239 763575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it would be interesting if there was a connection to monads there < 1351460301 199475 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hey if you feel like writing an article in your/Taneb's tumblr... http://esolangs.org/wiki/CubeCode < 1351460362 272352 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck with FBUDLR instead of ><+-., AND NO LOOPS < 1351460385 199515 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took two people to make it. < 1351460390 612681 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the saddest thing of all < 1351460417 988597 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many brainfuck derivatives are there? as a power of two. possibly using knuth arrows < 1351460458 868537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^\aleph_0 < 1351460464 13843 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the example program is pretty great though < 1351460467 990774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurf < 1351460521 895084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: when you said that I thought that maybe it's programmed or visualized in some kind of 3D graphical way and that might be a bit novel < 1351460524 785695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no < 1351460527 690199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurf < 1351460538 725301 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at least number_of_unicode_codepoints P 8, I think? < 1351460550 41956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :P 8? < 1351460569 219042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it even has to be Unicode, though < 1351460569 556307 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody had a hack that would record the registers of a program as it runs and make this into sound < 1351460572 255810 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuurf pretty much sums it all < 1351460572 421701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right? < 1351460581 564492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that something i just thought of and then forgot to do and then forgot who invented it < 1351460605 103252 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have definitely seen work regarding the actual noise produced by CPUs and what you can infer from it < 1351460630 804031 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, as in, number_of_unicode_codepoints! / (number_of_unicode_codepoints - 8)! < 1351460643 119968 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get the cubecode people to make a language such that the execution always sounds like "urf" < 1351460647 538544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have sometimes put a calculator near a radio receiver to make noise < 1351460670 216371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh < 1351460672 85203 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i thought that was usually denoted binomial[number_of_underscores, 8] in linear text < 1351460687 612151 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I have no idea how to denote stuff in linear text < 1351460697 921592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underscores? < 1351460703 156668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, nPr and nCr are common expressions < 1351460713 253525 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how bothersome < 1351460887 43662 :guest_81723!bd06fc64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.252.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found about BFJoust, by changing [a]b for ([a{}]b)%-1 you never reach a ], so there's no looping involved and you could thus play it yourself instead of having to program a complete AI < 1351461619 875089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guest_81723: i don't understand < 1351461638 343348 :guest_81723!bd06fc64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.252.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfjoust < 1351461767 89223 :guest_81723!bd06fc64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.252.100 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can avoid any looping on that game, thus changing [] from "while" to "if...else", thus making you able to play it yourself while the game is going < 1351461971 769425 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PART :#esoteric < 1351462023 407308 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1351462086 275186 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1351462123 21726 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :has 'exponential' computation like hash-life been explored yet? < 1351462142 271236 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exponential how? < 1351462239 110270 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a good screenshotting tool for Windows? < 1351462248 79883 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Superspeed - going faster in time - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hashlife < 1351462259 156058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: infix alphanumeric operators, what is this, Perl? < 1351462260 348857 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1351462267 742116 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashlife can't do exponential computation < 1351462271 390741 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1351462282 838884 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greenshot? < 1351462310 937635 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there's some precise complexity theoretic approach to it, but hashlife can only superspeed a pattern if it's highly ordered < 1351462317 423564 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1351462326 626358 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351462337 920235 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure - i understand that you need highly ordered structures < 1351462355 346752 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i feel it can be generalized < 1351462376 148207 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean 'generalised' < 1351462387 183381 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most other computational systems don't have the overhead life does < 1351462402 294856 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :spreadsheets? < 1351462412 24574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages virtually never do, and when they do it's called optimisation < 1351462479 138045 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i've created a data structure that exploits highly ordered patterns < 1351462487 824241 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursively < 1351462503 918938 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't suppose you're aware of computational complexity theory < 1351462514 772171 :barts__!~barts@p50896B9B.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1351462516 957098 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: why do you think that < 1351462533 490538 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm very much aware < 1351462557 215755 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, got the name wrong. kolmogorov and so on. < 1351462560 443270 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there this mystical temple in the jungle < 1351462598 205687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have hashlife in it < 1351462621 167825 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you get near the door, a deep, hollow voice would say "ARE YOU AWARE" < 1351462624 96919 :barts_!~barts@p4FD0E0A4.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1351462650 438872 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, tell me what you think of this. < 1351462653 356085 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Uniquely Represented Two-Way Immutable Sorted Multimap < 1351462663 403541 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm < 1351462682 17998 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could call that structure "the wise turtle" < 1351462683 508204 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :which also happens to be con fluently persistent < 1351462695 879897 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i call it the Spread data structure < 1351462700 921192 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because its acronym is "TURTWISM" and that sound like "TURTLE-WISDOM" < 1351462714 913392 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1351462727 656797 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spread: the best thing since sliced bread < 1351462749 562260 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "uniquely represented" doesn't tell me much about what it is < 1351462780 932896 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sorted"... well, your regular list/array/tree could be sorted as well < 1351462782 391841 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dgolovin/papers/btreap.pdf < 1351462815 45305 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "Two-Way Immutable"... I have actually no idea what it could mean < 1351462822 931585 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe a double-linked list or something < 1351462826 165838 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that cannot be modified < 1351462831 606263 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is actually a binary relation < 1351462850 878197 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, a table with two columns < 1351462857 248426 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know it must be good because the guy's surname is eastern european < 1351462890 330114 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think 3 of my 4 lecturers right now are eastern european < 1351462892 741397 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have a table with two columns that always has the same memory representation < 1351462899 926001 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is also immutable < 1351462907 743022 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can be changed to create new versions < 1351462924 572895 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it can embed the same structure recursively < 1351462967 328187 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe it the most general data structure which subsumes all other structures (graphs even) < 1351463002 491890 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm planning to run a higher-order spreadsheet implementation on top of it < 1351463025 477501 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximally reusing computations - hence the reference to hashlife < 1351463042 996049 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is so not aware of what a b-treap is
< 1351463069 405894 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically it's some kind of binary tree but with several values in each node? < 1351463082 887521 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, like an ordinary b-tree < 1351463090 17316 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this to maximise io < 1351463121 382667 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :a treap is a randomised data structure < 1351463159 590883 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you have a 'most general data structure' < 1351463168 858250 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you do consistent hashing it folds into a unique representation < 1351463173 26043 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :relations? < 1351463187 621005 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :a binary relation is pretty fundamental < 1351463188 277551 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at best it'd be so pointlessly general as to have no meaningful 'structure' < 1351463218 307557 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's good - i like that 'at best it'd be so pointlessly general as to have no meaningful 'structure' < 1351463262 343714 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :a function is a special binary relation < 1351463264 430105 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I have 'the world' < 1351463265 913645 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :a map also < 1351463274 961151 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1351463305 647394 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a whole zoo of special binary relations, which have certain special properties. < 1351463334 614797 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what the most general thing is < 1351463336 45089 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the entity < 1351463340 204786 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how general can you want it? or is it like in stargate - "What is this place?" "A confinement room in the infirmary." "Can you be less specific?" "Fine. We're on a planet called Earth." < 1351463414 750566 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the latter answer, while (I suppose) less precise, has more useful information for the otherworldly visitor < 1351463454 464227 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what really bothers me is this though: why aren't all planets named Earth? < 1351463458 334170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1351463487 779063 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them are made of sand < 1351463489 109979 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or snow < 1351463497 52103 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in stargate every planet but earth and the first other one they discovered has a name like "P3X986" < 1351463523 840431 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are most likely not the native names < 1351463559 293733 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a close translation :p < 1351463602 492773 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're actually all called p3x986 < 1351463610 836771 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, people from other planets usually talk "a dialect that resembles ancient mesopotamian/chinese/whatever but is in fact exactly like english" < 1351463620 469505 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're also called that in their native languages < 1351463650 896894 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so we're the odd planet then? what a plot twist < 1351463684 622434 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, we're the only planet where not everyone speaks english < 1351463802 931579 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: IIRC those are systematic names derived from the Stargate address. < 1351463811 52259 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will not excuse everything else. < 1351463840 110470 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that's why humans are special man < 1351463853 893703 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're the only ones with distinctive names for things < 1351463859 669315 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah I figured so. though I wonder how they can derive 5-digits names from addresses that are 7-symbols long (and there are more than 20 symbols I think) < 1351463874 931118 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when the aliens invade we're the only ones who can keep track of where they actually invaded < 1351463896 372528 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well other planets are usually no more than one village wide < 1351463914 483119 :guest_81723!bd06fc64@gateway/web/freenode/ip.189.6.252.100 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1351463917 87440 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the aliens might have trouble invading such a small target < 1351464012 435992 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: There's also the two letters. < 1351464019 518367 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, hrm. < 1351464037 724036 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we have one advantage: the aliens can live for millenia, and thus appear to be very slow at adapting (for instance they still go to war with heavy bodysuits that are completely useless against our "projectile weapons" (actually they are also completely useless against their own "energy weapons") < 1351464047 535206 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well I'm pretty sure the P stands for "planet" < 1351464090 436251 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they did send a stargate inside of a star once, though) < 1351464140 530904 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What's wrong?" "Nothing, sir. It's just I've never blown up a star before." "... Well. You know what they say. The first one is always the toughest!" < 1351464160 119126 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh < 1351464164 609701 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did they blow up a star < 1351464175 625651 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they let go of a stargate inside of it < 1351464198 649126 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think the stargate was opened on something dangerous < 1351464198 732322 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl QUIT :Quit: rapido < 1351464209 889325 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo "something" < 1351464210 560061 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably fill a pot with water or something < 1351464227 421503 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what about hot coffee < 1351464257 424603 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1351464261 299930 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1351464262 176583 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was there a context for that < 1351464273 547460 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did sgeo just inexplicably say he should fill a pot with water < 1351464282 713513 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had four full drinks of coffee today and yet at 9pm I was already very tired < 1351464284 664415 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :blow up stars => fill pots with water < 1351464293 733096 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, sounds consistent < 1351464306 176388 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know in case the star dehydrates you or something < 1351464328 911816 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear they're quite toasty < 1351464345 98484 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, hurricane < 1351464348 353124 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't there a stargate that lead into a black hole or something < 1351464355 227452 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yes there was < 1351464367 411487 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, yes i'm sure a single pot of water will save you from dehydration < 1351464376 87317 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :caused time to slow down a lot < 1351464401 531911 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1351464413 177693 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't particularly have many pots < 1351464428 255985 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, "OK I'll go talk to the president and will be back in 17 hours. Hey I'm back!" "It's... been 5 minutes, sir." "But I just spent the whole day in the pentagon!" < 1351464436 915393 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't they do that twice, even < 1351464463 106061 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second time had to be on purpose then < 1351464572 534629 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbbbbbut < 1351464589 672298 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time would only slow if the gravity was coming through the stargate too < 1351464603 42685 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case they... would realise something was up rather sooner than that < 1351464655 422749 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's never been clear what could go through the stargate and what couldn't < 1351464683 974072 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-58-128.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl QUIT :Quit: rapido < 1351464695 106306 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far we only know that men can travel one way (depending on what side dialed to the other), and radio waves can travel both ways < 1351464704 193885 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can women?? < 1351464811 490564 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that usually causes at least one man from the other world to make advances, but that aside they should be ok < 1351464918 557714 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1351464923 99206 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it'd be like < 1351464924 51129 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You're a very attractive woman." "Yeah, let's just fix your ship's unknown original engine with our McGyver-sponsored nuclear reactor, shall we?" is a plot that comes up every other episode < 1351464942 85628 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :women can only go through the opposite way to men < 1351464963 359301 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be so sad < 1351465005 617923 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the whole point of the stargate seems to be that when someone dials your planet they can invade and there's nothing you can do to stop them because it only works one way < 1351465165 677388 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can put up that wafer-thin metal iris thingy < 1351465251 717208 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah they invented that two days after the first time they were invaded < 1351465273 114892 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the aliens on the other hand have been using gates for millenia and never thought of that < 1351465311 503951 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in that one episode where they discover *one* planet where the aliens had protected the gate using a forcefield (but it never occurred to the aliens to reproduce that on other planets as well) < 1351465378 624431 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason I seem to have forgotten most of these episodes < 1351465532 909633 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because there was no time-travel in those! < 1351465799 92706 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wait, do they just invade by marching right through the gate < 1351466037 291449 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and do the shiny eyes thing < 1351466051 893282 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1351466076 644578 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did nobody think to, like, put some sawblades or spikes or some other elaborate deathtrap in front of it < 1351466142 202097 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not, the gates were originally put up by the good guys, no reason to fear them < 1351466143 636680 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sometimes they do try sending nuclear-ish "rays" trough the stargate < 1351466152 373407 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the goa'uld do have ships that they can use to attack any planet that tries to defend their gate < 1351466169 269864 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1351466186 225143 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wait, that planet where they discovered Thor for the first time did have an automated weapon aimed at the gate < 1351466189 665374 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is there even any drama then < 1351466210 368368 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow the goa'uld just figured "we shouldn't go to that planet" and never tried attacking it with a ship < 1351466212 706027 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first season finale was about fighting off the goa-uld ship, right? < 1351466217 685198 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1351466219 114224 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh look evil aliens are coming through the gate" < 1351466220 456295 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"welp" < 1351466230 99024 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually most season finales are about fighting off goa'uld ships < 1351466239 858229 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were pretty big. < 1351466256 255011 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: the earth gate had a thingie in front of it that could stop anybody from coming. < 1351466276 322624 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, at the end of every season, one goa'uld remembers he actually owns a whole fleet of ships (every one of which could, alone, destroy the earth) and decides to attack < 1351466293 290931 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't the gould just show up in their big ship and be like "right turn that off or we glass belgium" < 1351466316 411088 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did, like a billion times, but the earthanoids fought 'em off with their protagonist powers < 1351466355 850000 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something about this all that's so dumb i can't even get my head around it enough to mock < 1351466362 514909 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it takes one season for a goauld to figure that idea out, then they get killed with magic season finale plot powers, and some goauld newbie rises to power and uses the next season to do the same thing < 1351466399 622292 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of a dangerous way to fight a war < 1351466403 890544 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, some sort of "treaty" I think? < 1351466418 426913 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "treaty" was a joke, really < 1351466422 249358 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually wasn't belgium specifically threatened, I think I remember that < 1351466446 192408 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, I thought only in that the Asgard tried to make it look like they would be able to fight, but couldn't < 1351466450 486424 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah icing belgium rings a bell < 1351466476 291513 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a while < 1351466483 724456 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that, and also the goa'uld were basically like "ok, we won't attack you... unless it's a season final" < 1351466518 618589 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the treaty actually between the gould and the writers < 1351466536 688749 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the simple fact that the asgard would respect the treaty and not just wipe the goa'uld out was kind of admitting they couldn't actually fight < 1351466587 881213 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, they might just not want to kill people < 1351466617 697724 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, there are space vikings as well < 1351466626 305701 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the last very-very-advanced people to have such a policy was wiped out < 1351466635 733116 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, they look like small grey roswell creatures < 1351466646 220002 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of freespace for some reason < 1351466655 25410 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: well you didn't expect the whole galaxy to be filled only with mesopotamians and chinese people did you? < 1351466666 396621 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually the asgard are not from the same galaxy...) < 1351466743 870922 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait were the genocidal precursors who got wiped out called the ancients by any chance < 1351466766 15714 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sure you haven't seen this show < 1351466793 132508 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day the earth people discovered there was an eighth button on the stargate's keyboard, that somehow they had manage to not see all this time < 1351466808 113280 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this is totally a ripoff of freespace < 1351466815 354698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that do, explode the keyboard? < 1351466819 737893 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like mass effect... < 1351466827 885669 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are lots of buttons, 20-30 ish, it's just the length of the code that is normally 7 but can be 8 < 1351466833 709045 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1351466836 17211 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all ripoffs of each other < 1351466848 547451 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody had up to that point thought of pressing 8 buttons in sequence rather than 7 < 1351466880 902569 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes, there are 20-30 buttons on the dial-thingy, but the "lenght of the code" is represented as seven "chevrons" on the stargate < 1351466901 422478 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: sure, but the "chevrons" don't "lock" unless you juice up the gate with a "zero point module" < 1351466905 696825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought if you do that it would just execute the first seven and then use the last key as the first of another sequence of seven? < 1351466938 678829 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they actually hooked their own computers to the gate so you can define it to do anything you want < 1351466955 878231 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because the keyboard was missing) < 1351466987 210434 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how inconsiderate < 1351466999 146714 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(who built the keyboards) < 1351467009 923409 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when they're stranded on a random planet with no keyboard, they usually don't have computers, so they instead hook up the nuclear reactor they happened to have in their backpack < 1351467015 452823 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the ancients) < 1351467021 519441 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for fuck's sake < 1351467068 821069 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for what it's worth, the ancients aren't actually all dead, some of them are ghost angels < 1351467076 199695 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr their stargate hacking skills are very plot dependent < 1351467092 138710 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the ancients "are still there somewhere, but have a policy not to interfere in all the wars going on because interfering would be morally reprehensible" (even though there would be no war at all if they hadn't built the gates in the first place) < 1351467116 62645 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did this turn into a stargate discussion < 1351467131 72251 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :some time today < 1351467177 984 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blame Arc_Koen < 1351467182 323720 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe we were talking about wise turtles climbing binary trees and then all of a sudden there was a stargate in the conversation < 1351467272 116233 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not enough innuendo in this discussion < 1351467277 136622 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were talking about generality, and then planet naming conventions and then ... < 1351467284 287858 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stargate is a vagina < 1351467300 624471 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1351467302 739967 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : ok < 1351467310 494165 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey we had the giving-birth class today < 1351467319 584877 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for the record the goauld did attack the planet with the defense thing in front of the stargate < 1351467320 706315 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately there was no practice for that class < 1351467326 758756 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they brought a ship < 1351467342 87795 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to the plot it was because the defense thing was blowed up by the protagonists < 1351467344 281718 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: the defense thing and the planet had been there for several thousand years < 1351467368 326381 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they never mention how the goauld figured this out though < 1351467384 77975 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was gonna say that < 1351467404 593606 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there was a spy in the viking people? < 1351467413 107178 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok, it still makes more sense than the entire premise of universe < 1351467422 189213 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for the part where destiny refuels by diving into a star < 1351467424 413294 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit was awesome < 1351467448 578367 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried watching an episode from stargate universe < 1351467452 41095 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in universe, they decide that they already spawned one spinoff using the 8th chevron < 1351467459 292740 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was so COMPLICATED < 1351467466 557665 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but stargates are nonagonal, so clearly there was room for another spinoff < 1351467472 526773 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1351467482 40501 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but dialing nine chevrons is hard, so they had to get a high school kid to do it < 1351467484 978035 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously? I never really took a close look at the stargate < 1351467491 510307 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with little training he realized the trick < 1351467498 866235 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :to dial the ninth chevron you have to use a button that isn't on the stargate < 1351467506 118159 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just hooked up his pocket nuclear reacotr, didn't he < 1351467521 370826 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no see every stargate has a unique origin symbol < 1351467528 625470 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhh < 1351467532 306393 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to dial to destiny you needed to not use that stargate's origin symbol < 1351467535 388495 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead you had to use earth's < 1351467541 925118 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1351467545 935122 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the logic being that you had to be dialing from earth < 1351467555 608424 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, the earth stargate isn't the original stargate anyhow < 1351467572 438200 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they destroyed the original stargate once or twice < 1351467576 352810 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except during seasons four through six, when it was actually the antartic original stargate < 1351467596 306327 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've obviously been thinking way too much about this < 1351467597 884874 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it still had the same origin symbol because redoing the prop would have been expensive and the unique symbol on the stargate was kind of a symbol of the show < 1351467612 551043 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is weird alien shit always in the antarctic < 1351467629 5498 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: because it makes for good deus ex machina < 1351467642 269035 :Bike!~Glossina@65-102-1-43.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's weird and empty (supposedly!!) < 1351467645 460641 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because everything is under a huge chunk of ice < 1351467652 788719 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giving a good excuse to why we haven't found it < 1351467653 375302 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah, that woman who happened to be more than 65 million years old was in the antarctic as well < 1351467661 852342 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same reason something would be on the moon, or on mars < 1351467675 698964 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or under Earth's surface < 1351467725 52363 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but there were supposedly no humans 65 million years ago!" "yeah, and she can't have been brought back through time travel, because it is well-known that time-travel isn't possible" < 1351467743 398672 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when it is < 1351467747 264894 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even though *we* did do it once or twice during the holidays) < 1351467772 309124 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't have people running around doing time travel outside the time travel episodes < 1351467775 754458 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1351467819 96676 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1351467823 30847 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did not mention that < 1351467837 189423 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the best line in the entire series < 1351467842 300128 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's my sidearm I swear" < 1351467845 261838 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Refuse to use a time machine to save the entire galaxy, use the time machine to retrieve some power source to help boost a colony's defenses < 1351467898 868370 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like how the prime directive only applies if disobeying it would save billions < 1351467922 479430 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it somehow makes sense though, use time travel to change a major event and Bad Things happen to the space-time continuum, use it to save a handful of people and nothing significant will change < 1351467923 647101 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: also to prevent an entire expedition from dying < 1351467938 486636 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :changes to the timeline after the part where you go back in time are okay too < 1351467950 794753 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're saying the space-time continuum is somewhat elastic < 1351467963 15588 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also completely nonsensical stable time loops are also permitted < 1351467976 477447 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those were AWESOME < 1351467981 564236 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :when time travel doesn't work like that any other time < 1351467994 712500 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they got to play golf in the stargate < 1351468001 166312 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that was awesome < 1351468004 702656 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I wasn't talking about that < 1351468008 614264 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in the time travel episodes < 1351468014 137361 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where time does the many worlds thing < 1351468021 1549 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? < 1351468025 402613 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :except where it's needed to provide deus ex machina so that the guys can make it back through time < 1351468030 159409 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were talking about window of opportunity < 1351468032 396138 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1351468032 643869 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010/2001 uses a different model of time travel from 1969 < 1351468036 180605 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1351468047 540445 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1351468060 20249 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention Unending, Morpheus, the Atlantis one, and the movie < 1351468074 934459 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is morpheus the one where cody has dreams < 1351468081 57980 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/cody/whatshisname < 1351468083 237003 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's the one where they go back in time to get the ZPM < 1351468091 390723 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, Mobius < 1351468094 244242 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1351468096 324471 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quiet you < 1351468102 194276 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zpm? < 1351468105 891555 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero point module < 1351468111 79491 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember that < 1351468116 336974 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :magical power source < 1351468117 256199 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that from sg1? < 1351468124 38560 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :near the end of season 8 < 1351468128 711151 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mentioned in SG-1 a few times, more prominent in Atlantis < 1351468131 456066 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i'm only in the middle of season 7 < 1351468142 743956 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zpms first show up in the season 7 finale < 1351468153 806947 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then I'd rather not read too much about it < 1351468155 435068 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is fucking fantastic and why aren't you watching your way through the rest of the season < 1351468164 241060 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, wasn't stargate the one that got farscape's actors after it was cancelled as a final "fuck you it's not coming back" < 1351468169 797728 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1351468179 422926 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also watch season 8 in lockstep with atlantis season 1 < 1351468179 588895 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION narrows eyes
< 1351468184 523441 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then watch the rest of atlantis < 1351468196 619384 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :will I like atlantis? < 1351468200 534590 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1351468205 224458 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't understand anything from universe < 1351468214 890156 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then watch season 1 of universe < 1351468216 742068 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're done < 1351468221 256378 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I failed to do the lockstep thing, it's much too much work to figure out what the proper viewing order is < 1351468224 179531 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were is some kind of ship, somewhere, sometime < 1351468230 963839 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I thought season 2 was considered to be better < 1351468238 24249 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although season 1's Time was good < 1351468238 190445 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: not to me < 1351468247 966345 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :time was one of the best stargate episodes of all series < 1351468250 916327 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they arrived in a planet and they said "hey this is a thousand year old" and then "wait the history books are talking about us" < 1351468255 789039 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :air was really good too < 1351468283 477160 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use the music from Air to help me concentrate on homework < 1351468295 942893 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I'll watch a couple episodes now, see you later < 1351468300 89427 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall elliott saying universe is the voyager of stargate < 1351468306 551599 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a shame that seasons 9 and 10 are full of random shit because they have some really good episodes < 1351468310 30304 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: yes < 1351468323 474612 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like beachead and the pegasus project and unending < 1351468324 837387 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, and atlantis might be the DS9 < 1351468336 641247 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have yet to finish DS9 < 1351468343 955392 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly I think universe is more like the enterprise < 1351468352 94723 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why < 1351468353 830658 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: i enjoyed watching universe but i also enjoy watching voyager < 1351468359 951613 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf how is sgu still going < 1351468362 993897 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I suppose that it is closer to sg-1 seasons 9 and 10 < 1351468364 126352 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's not < 1351468364 583060 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not < 1351468366 206760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it isn't < 1351468371 676744 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it was killed one season late < 1351468373 970061 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The series finale was a cliffhanger < 1351468374 546528 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(after season 2) < 1351468375 700006 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how did it get two seasons < 1351468381 384830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought everyone had universally decided it was awful < 1351468388 56001 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the first half season < 1351468395 352184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I liked it < 1351468399 978051 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it started really sucking when they tried too hard to bring earth into it < 1351468410 379477 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the lucian alliance was this big fuckyou to anyone who wanted anything interesting out of it < 1351468416 544652 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the random aliens < 1351468420 598051 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think SGU survived only on the hope that it might eventually stop sucking < 1351468433 225177 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first half of season 1 didn't have all that random baggage < 1351468435 110660 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by the time it stopped sucking, it was cancelled < 1351468442 613306 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was just 'ohfuckhowdowesurvive' and was sweet < 1351468461 853417 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it actually stop sucking near the end? < 1351468464 472388 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never finished it < 1351468481 38773 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I'm not the best on matters of taste < 1351468507 678893 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more 'ohfuckhowdowesurvive' to a good extent, but largely the same threat over those episodes < 1351468550 745179 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok actually the one where rush goes all the way back to the planet in air was pretty good to < 1351468553 737390 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1351468579 875882 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I convince coppro to finish SGU < 1351468592 589756 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, oh, and as for why I haven't finished DS9: Haven't gotten around to it yet < 1351468594 885758 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgu tried to capitalise way too much on ~edgy danger~ < 1351468603 550281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was ok for a few episodes but then it was boring < 1351468617 601635 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: busy rewatching sg1 at the moment < 1351468624 314999 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also yugioh the abridged series < 1351468633 235946 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can we talk about something i've watched instead < 1351468638 157593 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1351468640 481797 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's talk about how no popular scifi tv series has ever lived up to ds9 instead < 1351468646 878105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe babylon 5 but i never got around to watching that < 1351468666 790470 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :farscape is pretty good! although i can't make judgements between things i like < 1351468683 212188 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: you could just watch everything we talk about < 1351468690 621578 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1351468692 870260 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im hipster