< 1350519106 773673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: people elsewhere are talking about the best bagels in san francisco < 1350519151 884328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently http://www.deliboardsf.com/ has secret bagels < 1350519160 52610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are boiled in new york, baked in SF, and not listed on the menu < 1350519180 764652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand there's http://idlewords.com/2007/04/the_alameda-weehawken_burrito_tunnel.htm < 1350519248 372305 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1350519333 17304 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone asked a question in #clojure about whether the stdlib includes a feature < 1350519352 707142 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as we can tell, it's both a really bad idea and impossible. But my language would make it possible. < 1350519360 193576 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sort of makes me take pause. < 1350519453 495338 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone linked to http://www.ioccc.org/2012/tromp/hint.html < 1350519637 621811 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1350519879 775040 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I think the scoping I have in mind is technically dynamic but with a function to essentially temporarily clear currently bound stuff < 1350519888 381006 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://store.valvesoftware.com/product.php?i=CP201 < 1350519961 675367 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ < 1350519984 126289 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is something like this too ugly? < 1350519988 522543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :space gotta go to space < 1350520008 235432 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1350520009 254198 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(defn foo '[a b c] '(level '(+ a b c))) < 1350520015 918875 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In terms of needing that level there? < 1350520019 916205 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, hmm < 1350520031 195533 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O that level is in a very wrong place < 1350520148 325506 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that scheme? < 1350520157 104095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course not. < 1350520166 553007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Clojure. You don't even need to read it to know that it's Clojure. < 1350520167 96505 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1350520174 950824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nick is enough. < 1350520183 72314 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1350520213 117556 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Clojure < 1350520226 659454 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a variation based on Clojure + Tcl < 1350520233 784475 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsure how I'm going to deal with lexical scoping < 1350520307 846653 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1350520360 321472 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this ugly? < 1350520369 837121 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(deflfn '[a b c] '(+ a b c)) < 1350520371 254810 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like scheme < 1350520372 201066 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translates to < 1350520374 668955 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could it be ugly < 1350520388 469676 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deflfn is a weird word though < 1350520400 201767 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(def '(level '(fn '[a b c] '(+ a b c)))) < 1350520439 551823 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for the ioccc link you provided - that looks like it's Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download < 1350520449 915392 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that defn and anything similar should be providing a name < 1350520458 588554 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(def 'foobar '(level '(fn '[a b c] '(+ a b c)))) < 1350520466 678678 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(deflfn 'foobar '[a b c] '(+ a b c)) < 1350520549 685884 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with LAMBDA as 00, APPLY as 01, ZERO as 10 and ONE MORE THAN as 1 < 1350520729 576922 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350520838 912851 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am slowly turning into Gamzee. < 1350520858 224013 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me. Arc_Koen, keep reading Homestuck. < 1350520867 264122 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah hum maybe < 1350520876 495492 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I liked the humour < 1350520885 938026 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :buuuut it was kind of repetitive and slow < 1350520899 299077 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It speeds up < 1350521590 337931 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1350522147 843248 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s a shame the mailing list doesn't exist any longer < 1350523214 804792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I don't have true lexical scoping, but do have an easyish way to effectively say "Hey, consider this a separate scope", is that sufficient for a language to be comfortably usable? < 1350523279 755128 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1350523580 726033 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is suddenly not sure if he's reinventing picolisp or not < 1350523617 185273 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'm... not sure < 1350523640 53297 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you doing and why < 1350523658 441738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ask not what are you doing and why, but what aren't you doing and why not < 1350523659 746191 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language based off Clojure and Tcl where conditionally printing looks like < 1350523672 320403 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if blah '(println "true") '(println "false")) < 1350523678 640945 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example < 1350523687 315285 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl-esque < 1350523710 449118 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun i guess < 1350523979 50366 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't you have lexical scoping though < 1350523982 331969 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it's a bad reason < 1350524014 476963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i bet you're a bad person" - "monqy'" < 1350524026 892459 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sssh baby steps < 1350524056 227849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: HEY THAT WAS MONQY PRIME < 1350524057 372675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not you < 1350524060 284780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok? < 1350524080 238291 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1350524137 429024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it? < 1350524139 934121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it < 1350524140 672907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1350525042 833693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000 is a perfectly valid UUID! < 1350525053 40686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could've come about as random chance. < 1350525054 846884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop reading into things. < 1350525103 43229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So IOCCC 2012 is done. < 1350525111 873973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When's your contest coming along? < 1350525183 292477 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: guaranteed to be chosen at random < 1350525210 806819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh IOCCC 2012 is done? < 1350525219 108783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had a good idea for an entry < 1350525221 355012 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :next year i guess < 1350525257 40977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://www.ioccc.org/years.html#2012 < 1350525279 67334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :18:51 https://raw.github.com/gist/3909430/377bfe9b1a62e1c74acac0ec32ca4261c66379cd/%F0%9D%94%93%F0%9D%94%AF%F0%9D%94%A2%F0%9D%94%A9%F0%9D%94%B2%F0%9D%94%A1%F0%9D%94%A2.hs < 1350525310 67204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Why doesn't that export most of the identifiers? < 1350525379 467549 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot. < 1350526067 63875 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-202-84.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1350526148 997106 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350527288 93528 :jfguest!~jfguest@cpe-67-10-133-101.satx.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1350527918 123162 :jfguest!~jfguest@cpe-67-10-133-101.satx.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1350528339 2341 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1350528419 162102 :Max00355!~Max00355@pool-71-187-70-92.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350528495 134747 :Max00355!~Max00355@pool-71-187-70-92.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to write to a file with brainfuck? < 1350528611 536972 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350528616 878175 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1350528789 930436 :Max00355!~Max00355@pool-71-187-70-92.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1350529366 304460 :Max00355!~Max00355@pool-71-187-70-92.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350529531 520097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350530147 593316 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :BACK IN THE DAY, SON, WE DIDN'T HAVE FILES < 1350530154 814391 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND EVERYTHING WAS IN UPPERCASE < 1350530163 808867 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BACK IN THE DAY WE DIDN’T HAVE SONS < 1350530391 743882 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Max00355, well, you could direct the output of a brainfuck interpreter to a specific file < 1350530406 678366 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could use something like PSOX, although I abandoned it before hammering out the file stuff < 1350530922 992191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion++ < 1350530924 639850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is amazing < 1350531042 651437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/6QpIO.png < 1350531060 481668 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://gist.github.com/3909452 < 1350531231 161570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1350531430 955608 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting, the gist title was cut off from the first non-BMP character. < 1350531829 795571 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Max00355: Brainfuck itself has no particular mechanism for doing so. < 1350531886 805666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why you should always use brainfuck implementations where the tape has finite size and the array indexing is not bounds-checked < 1350531892 831615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can write to files < 1350531916 815409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i wanna write a brainfuck JIT spray < 1350532322 233558 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, let me blab about NFU. < 1350532338 337957 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :NFU is that set theory where comprehension is allowed for any "stratified" formula. < 1350532390 507827 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So {x where x = x} is a valid set. It contains everything. {x where {} is a subset of x} contains all sets. {(x,y) where x is a subset of y} is a valid set. < 1350532410 404135 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :{x where x is not in x} is not a valid set, because "x is not in x" is not a stratified formula. < 1350532473 289327 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stratified comprehension is the bulk of NFU. It has an axiom, the axiom of choice, that is equivalent to a function with a certain property. < 1350532505 867825 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Equivalent to the existence of such a function, I mean. < 1350532511 956593 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has another axiom, the axiom of counting, which isn't obviously equivalent to the existence of a function at all. < 1350532684 403321 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If S is a set, let Box(S) = {{x} where x in S}. < 1350532699 25338 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The axiom of counting states that if S is finite, then S has the same cardinality as Box(S). < 1350532985 998278 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "obvious" way to express that as a function is to say that if S is finite, then there is a bijection between S and Box(S). But that sounds really dangerous. < 1350533507 568308 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1350533537 976902 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350533804 441164 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1350535785 266629 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1350535870 963559 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1350536164 11490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there pine tar flavored bread in finland < 1350536333 385549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: johnw of #haskell-blah is on the C++ committee, voting on C++14 features. < 1350536337 500008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're missing the fun. < 1350536350 883679 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1350536654 380479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1350536657 96831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's new in C++14 < 1350536697 550761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they were voting on "return { 10 };" syntax today. < 1350536739 604779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, if your return type is a class, calls the constructor of the class? < 1350537086 199871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of other things. < 1350538954 178067 :impomatic!~digital_w@105.19.112.87.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: http://BASICcomic.com < 1350539548 71324 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1350540004 320230 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1350543078 181977 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-226.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1350543086 96036 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-226.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1350543857 848046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350544446 774112 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1350545128 286514 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350547374 944225 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1350547490 107483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350547854 182850 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1350548610 783198 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350549004 117211 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1350550555 305750 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1350551085 187479 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350551095 847012 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350551747 713323 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1350555109 549062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350555691 954782 :Max00355!~Max00355@pool-71-187-70-92.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly can brainfuck be used for besides printing out some ASCII characters? < 1350555781 921604 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inputting ascii characters < 1350555801 757176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calculating exciting stuff. < 1350555804 641101 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^pow2 < 1350555805 270583 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024 2048 4096 8192 16384 32768 65536 131072 262144 524288 1048576 2097152 4194304 8388608 16777216 33554432 67108864 134217728 268435456 536870912 1073741824 2147483648 42949672 ... < 1350555811 634262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, that's from brainfuck. < 1350555821 268560 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making benchmarks against your new language < 1350555847 859580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting brain-bricked, via the "make a derivative language, wait a few seconds" plan. < 1350555890 834710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow Not to forget the prettiest rainbows. < 1350555891 499864 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02N03o04t05 06t07o08 09f02o03r04g05e06t07 08t09h02e03 04p05r06e07t08t09i02e03s04t05 06r07a08i09n02b03o04w05s06. < 1350555984 726497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there's always the highly vibrant brainfuck adventure game development community. There's Lost Kingdom, and... well, I guess Lost Kingdom. < 1350556061 64297 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it be modded? < 1350556101 262944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall it was mostly automatically generated, so the code isn't perhaps too edit-friendly. < 1350556130 304485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The source is 2189420 bytes long. < 1350556238 119099 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet most games aren't that big. < 1350556433 836779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350557865 888717 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350557870 716307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1350557941 535029 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1350559200 799358 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350560318 454002 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1350560582 277213 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1350561767 979825 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350562155 406095 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350562174 581172 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1350562195 549205 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1350562231 38106 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :moi < 1350562246 966636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonjour mein freundes < 1350562260 457404 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1350562278 779084 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this international day or something? < 1350562304 260434 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Da. < 1350562309 208292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ad nibelung des moines < 1350562313 736588 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internation indoeuropean day < 1350562328 281300 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, Chris Pressey's back < 1350562348 38580 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it looks like he wants to make it up for the time he was missing! < 1350562610 56068 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mascarpone" < 1350562619 347844 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's why someone said "another cheesy language" yesterday < 1350562635 144760 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :netbsd 6.0 released! < 1350563024 449743 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1350563046 653805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In its natural habitat, one hopes. < 1350563048 208998 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back into the wilds of Northern Scotland < 1350563083 747322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Do you have roaming bands of BSDs in Scotland? < 1350563105 392207 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nah, they're quite solitary < 1350563123 70810 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too far south to get them here, though < 1350563462 108417 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :northern scotland, or as literally everyone else calls them, the highlands < 1350563499 222386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that where the HIGHLANDERS fight? < 1350563817 466690 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350563834 731817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1350564044 45419 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon matin à tous! I'm wearing my http://www.amazon.com/Save-Planet-Learn-Proto-Indo-European-T-shirt/dp/B0087LFWDY t-shirt today! < 1350564450 326663 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no, they do that in new york < 1350564472 156658 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1350565156 833351 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1350566209 750140 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350566322 432188 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1350567057 777602 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ping < 1350567057 974302 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1350568306 586123 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1350569414 353110 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UK court says Apple must now run adverts in major British papers and leave a banner on its website for 6 months saying Samsung isn't a tablet-design copycat. (zdnet.com) < 1350569415 960550 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1350569436 778609 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[Apple has lost an appeal against Samsung in the U.K. after the first judge claimed the Galaxy Tab 10.1 could not have infringed the iPad because it wasn't "cool" enough.]] < 1350569437 638448 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im < 1350569531 877360 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1350571116 585604 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1350571263 734013 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350572039 301309 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1350572067 134546 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is this real life you're talking about < 1350572086 198707 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surreal life < 1350572144 546456 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had an english teacher who pronounced surreal 'sooral' < 1350572175 917772 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soo ray al? < 1350572312 325553 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1350572337 799260 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she also pronounced poem 'poeeyem' but that's weirdly common in scotland < 1350572453 76919 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did she pronounce "film" with two syllables? < 1350572475 712321 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1350572610 744334 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1350572727 958728 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "fillem"? < 1350572745 456542 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, or "fillum" < 1350572761 110063 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, that's just you pronouncing fillem wrong! < 1350572766 706686 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1350572784 746452 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway see you later < 1350572788 111987 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See ya < 1350572803 817719 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and give a look at that mascarpone language it looks great < 1350572823 959522 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(was looking for a slightly more expressive adjective than just "great" but hey) < 1350572866 402962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about "awesome" < 1350572915 302688 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no page on the wiki. is there any public info floating somewhere on mascarpone? < 1350573073 971258 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly the same thing as Emmental, not sure < 1350573550 829930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1350573683 869417 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1350574629 230528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1350574692 938912 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinking about Featured Languages < 1350574878 799205 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna suggest not Underload, because Glass is stack based too < 1350574908 585135 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might put my weight behind Malbolge < 1350575099 42031 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quite different to Glass and /// < 1350575103 709508 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got examples < 1350575121 985642 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got a specification < 1350575206 875963 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's implemented < 1350575403 475345 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350575526 295118 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81e702.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350575625 685663 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: are you planning to become an admin < 1350575630 793359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want to be in charge of featured languages < 1350575646 576027 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I can be trusted with the responsibility! < 1350575687 110755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1350576186 349753 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1350576384 216702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a pipe organ? < 1350576513 961121 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not! < 1350576530 91725 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an electric keyboard with 2 pipe organ voices, though < 1350576544 64778 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Two???? < 1350576548 683167 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1350576554 969674 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pipe Organ 1 and Pipe Organ 2 < 1350576587 812695 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Synth Organ and Jazz Organ < 1350576725 605134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: fancy < 1350576763 344061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Do they sound different??? < 1350576768 748977 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1350576771 278624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to hear Pipe Organ 1 and Pipe Organ 2. How do you make two separate pipe organ voices. < 1350576778 929321 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you not know!! < 1350576845 509753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose they could have different stops, different swell shades, etc < 1350576845 595927 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1350576854 530739 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pipe Organ 1 sounds bolder, Pipe Organ 2 more italic < 1350576862 630854 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that only makes sense for me < 1350577090 448868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: i'm going to have to demand audio here < 1350577140 596892 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna have to refuse or at least arbitrarily delay < 1350577274 692951 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :harsh < 1350577280 648564 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will never know the smooth sounds of pipe organ 1 & 2 < 1350577284 844225 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"More italic", is that like as in the cursive typeface? < 1350577432 640352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hey, how's that thing? < 1350577528 203766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, what, WHAT. There's no "things". < 1350577724 232526 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1350577975 841091 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1350578042 673138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are you sure?? < 1350578198 440591 :mindlessDrone!~mindlessd@vpn33-209.rz.hs-offenburg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1350578212 818794 :mindlessDrone!~mindlessd@vpn33-209.rz.hs-offenburg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1350578238 3474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350578280 918685 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1350578303 739052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-jRj8qXpag#t=1m40s < 1350578376 44117 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome mindlessDrone < 1350578388 865695 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mindlessDrone: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1350578462 237442 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1350578482 21745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They tell you that it's the international hub, but really there are only two countries: Hexham and Finland. < 1350578489 314745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I'm not Hexhammish!) < 1350578511 952654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexland and Finham. < 1350578772 139791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, some people of esolang are Canada, too. < 1350578825 450366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people of esolang are *alleged* to be Canada. < 1350578834 20257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Innocent until proven guilty and all that.) < 1350578854 318272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What is there in Canada, really, once you take out the Hexham and the Finland? < 1350579018 352640 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1350579027 605281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Canada. < 1350579842 66909 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350580433 608293 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-226.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1350580442 654424 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-226.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1350580644 817655 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350580690 978287 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yes < 1350580813 142966 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1350580932 191867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd ask how it translates to sound, but I might not want to hear the answer. < 1350581226 607963 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in England but not Hexham < 1350581258 937739 :mindlessDrone!~mindlessd@vpn33-209.rz.hs-offenburg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG this is a programming language? I thought this is hardcore esoteric like walking over water < 1350581278 460814 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can walk in water < 1350581286 173554 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And over water if there is a bridge or something < 1350581296 230270 :mindlessDrone!~mindlessd@vpn33-209.rz.hs-offenburg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1350581342 78458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you walk on water if frozen to make ice? < 1350581367 227400 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back from lunch and what do I know? people here doubting my canadianness. < 1350581397 110916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mindlessDrone: What did you want about walking over water, anyways? < 1350581427 766367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang is not in itself a programming language, but rather involves prorgamming language; see wiki for information < 1350581449 909875 :mindlessDrone!~mindlessd@vpn33-209.rz.hs-offenburg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know ..i want to know how jesus may felt < 1350581510 678193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :try nailing yourself to some wood < 1350581520 14468 :mindlessDrone!~mindlessd@vpn33-209.rz.hs-offenburg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1350581552 39387 :mindlessDrone!~mindlessd@vpn33-209.rz.hs-offenburg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :i try to read the wiki ..but its so much text ... < 1350581658 177658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is supposed to be so much text ... < 1350581730 166631 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, I slip < 1350581944 526347 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1350582037 508303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's that thing. < 1350582076 596297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dsc.discovery.com/gear-gadgets/man-attempts-walking-across-sea-in-a-human-sized-hamster-wheel-photos.html < 1350582082 281265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing, maybe that's a bit Jesusy. < 1350582093 262691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, kind of, sort of. < 1350582146 458807 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1350582157 48426 :mindlessDrone!~mindlessd@vpn33-209.rz.hs-offenburg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1350582201 544203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyway wasn't he a carpenter's son or something? I mean, adopted, if you can call it that. I'm sure he could've fiddled together something like that. < 1350582245 202148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a slightly more creakier version but still. < 1350582453 439187 :mindlessDrone!~mindlessd@vpn33-209.rz.hs-offenburg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure ..sounds plausible < 1350582485 497335 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :[]{}\|-_`^ < 1350582490 500512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also possible that they mistaken him, they misremembered, they added the walking on water for metaphorical purposes, and various other things, including but not limited to, divine magic < 1350582533 578587 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :nortti < 1350582696 798397 :mindlessDrone!~mindlessd@vpn33-209.rz.hs-offenburg.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :a german comedian once sayed "maybe he was just buying water" because in german buying and walking are rhyming < 1350582755 877114 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1350582808 568165 :WeThePeople_!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350583027 803120 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1350583202 870331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Um... < 1350583207 359112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :England is *in* Hexham. < 1350583239 163425 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :^[ < 1350583251 818102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti has escaped the dungeons of doom. < 1350583262 171354 :^[!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1350583285 560467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many electronic piano/synthesizer have only a few fixed settings and cannot be changed much, sometimes there are a few possibilities. < 1350583295 435939 :WeThePeople_!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1350583320 734307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://ampnoise.com/mp3/MusicOnThePDP-1X_Pinafore.mp3 < 1350583345 759449 :^[!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :[-] < 1350583356 848501 :[-]!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :^[ < 1350583372 71716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote on paper some 32 byte registration of digital synthesizer, including FM section, additive section, square section, saw/triangle section, organ section, percussion section, and global section. < 1350583450 349217 :^[!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :nortti < 1350583576 985600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you can have multiple manuals, each with their own registration, and pedalboard, as well as other pedals and other controls < 1350583636 196535 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1350583965 427614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think I hit my personal record for getting a Slashdot post modded up to +5 < 1350583968 96028 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was less than 5 minutes < 1350583976 451169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(second post on an article about a court case, linking to the verdict) < 1350584254 990518 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I'm already old enough to have difficulty comprehending just how fast computer storage is increasing < 1350584269 114847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get a 64GB SD card for a reasonably affordable price, for insance < 1350584272 86175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*instance < 1350584300 352804 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grew up with floppy disks (5¼" were the most common when I started using computers, but 3½" were the first I really started using) < 1350584349 355245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never ued a 5¼" floppy disk. :-( < 1350584364 657421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was before I started using PCs < 1350584364 909130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I remember 3½" fondly, of course. < 1350584373 243858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SD cards don't freak me out as much as microSD cards. Aren't those up to at least 32G now too? < 1350584387 846355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a 32GB microsd card. < 1350584398 389545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCs were quite common when I was young, but didn't have anywhere near the market share they do nowadays < 1350584403 849335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It used to be in my phone but now my phone doesn't have a microsd slot. < 1350584405 12486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That gives me the shivers. < 1350584436 785658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You can get 64GB microsd these days. < 1350584453 664088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's, like, double-shivers. < 1350584464 622910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the size of a fingernail. < 1350584468 795174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my primary school used primarily Acorn computers, together with some BBC Micros < 1350584544 943104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "parallel class" (not sure what's the term; same grade, a different group) in primary school had a PC. We were kinda jealous. < 1350584547 492580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like SD card much, though, especially the small ones which don't have a write protect switch. < 1350584560 936246 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(On the other hand, we took more class trips.) < 1350584581 994649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their PC ran Windows 1.02; this was in the higher grades. < 1350584601 280808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, 32gb microsd is down to $20. < 1350584609 332849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the computers in my secondary school were PCs, mostly running Windows 95; some were on Windows 3.11, and they upgraded to 98 after a while < 1350584633 503645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also had a directory with "high-ascii" (sorry for the misnomer) characters in it, with Leisure Suit Larry 1 (I think) and some other games hidden in it. < 1350584647 984243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, the teachers couldn't get in there. < 1350584671 499036 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used a bbc micro in playschool < 1350584673 819087 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure it was obsolete then < 1350584679 616007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it probably would have been < 1350584681 739597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You had to memorize the numbers to type with alt-NNN. One of them was the empty space, too. < 1350584683 970856 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since this was like late 90s-early 2000s :P < 1350584687 996910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the time I finished secondary school, they decided to get rid of their BBC Micros < 1350584694 648666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they sold them to their students for £20 each < 1350584703 657842 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in year 1 or so we had an acorn(!!) < 1350584704 200154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we bought one and played with it for a while; I learned 6502 asm on it < 1350584714 2432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC Micro? That sounds like the future. < 1350584721 599373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the B and Y keys were broken, but that wasn't impossible to deal with < 1350584731 574513 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because function keys were rebindable < 1350584733 174916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they installed that Windows 1, and the MS-DOS Executive let you navigate to any directory. It was a problem. < 1350584751 54069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could get the B via copying-and-pasting from the "BBC" tagline it printed when it loaded < 1350584757 87295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1350584770 323646 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for Y you had to write a short BASIC program < 1350584775 647961 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I presumably even knew the Micro was obsolete, since I got a computer before then... < 1350584778 214721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like an esolang. < 1350584781 372177 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it ran windows 3.11) < 1350584787 20551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it wouldn't be a very good one < 1350584792 604368 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(did you know: windows 3.11 is not very good) < 1350584803 959802 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY < 1350584804 661399 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY < 1350584807 791914 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows 3.11 is awesome. < 1350584810 224544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I actually enjoyed 3.1, it did what it was intended to do quite well < 1350584810 304001 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how long did it take you to relearn how to type on a keyboard with b and y where they are rather than on the fkey row < 1350584812 94427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't use 3.11 < 1350584817 173681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/c4/Interface_age_scan_nov_1983_p30_bbc_micro_ad.jpg < 1350584817 462385 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not very long, actually < 1350584827 454233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm quite used to keys changing places when I move to a different keyboard < 1350584828 539301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same school where I was called to the principal's office, which was a bit worrisome, but then they just had printer problems. < 1350584830 614861 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i used windows 3.11 when i was 3, i'm the expert < 1350584834 147669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks pretty great. < 1350584839 658390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I did too, I think! < 1350584844 822962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: heh, I only got called to the headteacher's office when they wanted to reward me < 1350584849 292461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the punishment was mostly done by other people < 1350584864 86821 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that sounds unlikely < 1350584870 743432 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well I guess you aren't that much older than me < 1350584878 281180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I did. < 1350584879 707943 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also windows 95 had been out for a few years by the time i got that thing anyway < 1350585972 6037 :mindlessDrone!~mindlessd@vpn33-209.rz.hs-offenburg.de PART :#esoteric < 1350586776 518595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also remember not to SMARTDRV your Windows 3.1 system disk, because it will cause the loader to just eat a chunk of the Windows logo and choke. < 1350586791 76339 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not SMARTDRV. < 1350586798 72078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the online disk compression tool. < 1350586819 329245 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :DBLSPACE, I mean. < 1350586863 853583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can certainly SMARTDRV it.) < 1350586956 9967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's a valid configuration if you jump through the right hoops. < 1350586959 938395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't work out for me, though. < 1350587063 407768 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-226.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1350587078 918285 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-226.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1350587083 388438 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :smartdrv was the disk cache thing? < 1350587135 574386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1350587153 921474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doublespace played all kinds of weird tricks with hidden volumes called h: and whatnot. < 1350587263 225872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also loadlin, that's so nifty. My first dual-boot box had its dual-boot done by keeping DOS in the MBR, then using the fancy DOS 6 [menu] menuitem boot menu things to automagically blarp with loadlin. < 1350587302 836195 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :loadlin is cool < 1350587302 915523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And umsdos, isn't that even niftier? I think I had a slackware umsdos installation. < 1350587307 24659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then it went bork.) < 1350587313 787454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's umsdos < 1350587363 546677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the thing that lets you put Unixy things like uids and gids into a plain directory of a FAT filesystem, so that you can have your root in C:\LINUX. < 1350587395 634717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It puts the extra data into a FAT file called --LINUX-.---. < 1350587409 854929 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350587423 23095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can go peek at your /etc as C:\LINUX\ETC\ in DOS land. < 1350587436 595456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course ruin everything if you mess with things there too much. < 1350587476 467099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goes well with loadlin: no partitioning, no boot loader messing-up-with, no nothing. You just enter the drag^HLinux from dos. < 1350587500 840153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose compared to ext2 there might have been some slight performance issues maybe. < 1350587742 490278 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1350588315 287796 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try Jumping http://youtu.be/VSttd3edW98 < 1350588551 285529 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: drag^HLinux = draLinux? < 1350588586 547072 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, ^W. < 1350588619 322394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though "draLinux" doesn't sound like an unreasonable name for a distribution.) < 1350588622 829559 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to find info on this draLinux on google < 1350588628 532273 :AnotherTest1!~tim@94-224-25-226.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1350588632 25633 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found nothing < 1350588642 654944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rules state you must now make it. < 1350588670 88650 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-226.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1350588699 409422 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: good. I had no name for my distro < 1350588801 121243 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: should I use 2.4 kernels so I could use umsdos? < 1350589127 826174 :AnotherTest1!~tim@94-224-25-226.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1350589154 857215 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350589160 642962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, uh. I wouldn't, but you are certainly free to. < 1350589211 170284 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. I'm going to use mastodon linux as a starting point < 1350589244 620887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… YouTube top comment is a warning not to read the rest of the comments < 1350589249 823314 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YouTube's self-awareness is scary sometimes < 1350589264 661973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read the first page of actual comments, they mostly just said that the comments were fine again now < 1350589271 356463 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1350589324 968034 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-226.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1350589357 626644 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don’t you dare offer free education to our residents! http://chronicle.com/blogs/wiredcampus/minnesota-gives-coursera-the-boot-citing-a-decades-old-law/40542 Meanwhile: http://www.startribune.com/business/164349766.html < 1350589535 204986 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how well modern linux software will work with gcc 2.95 and libc4 < 1350589556 442087 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.95 might work. < 1350589563 499946 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually. < 1350589566 479346 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the program. < 1350589575 968493 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some stuff will work just fine, some stuff depends on C99. < 1350589586 255867 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and libc4? < 1350589594 511549 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same issue. < 1350589600 84003 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C99 libc. < 1350589606 135230 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also pthreads. < 1350589611 301940 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux 2.0 :D < 1350589611 412337 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are using gcc 2.95 and libc4 then presumably you are enough of a neo-luddite to not want to use modern linux software < 1350589635 951460 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux 2.6.0 is the first (official, stable) version of Linux where you can have correct pthreads. < 1350589649 470473 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 2.4.0 is the first where you can have threads that almost work if you squint. < 1350589652 857414 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IIRC) < 1350589660 49888 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll use 2.4 then < 1350589676 710939 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pssst, you want to use musl) < 1350589695 246001 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why? < 1350589699 595525 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1350589718 44618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LinuxThreads/libc5 was a working combination for threads, at least, pre-NPTL. I don't quite know about libc4 and threads. < 1350589731 642959 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Very non-conformant though. < 1350589738 351169 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and musl doesn't build with 2.95 if I remember correctly < 1350589743 37139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX, schmosix. < 1350589746 119907 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+gcc < 1350589754 99264 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1350589786 547011 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if any of the programs using threads are correct enough that you could tell that the thread implementation is broken < 1350589817 525959 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am still not sure if I want to make draLinux a serious distro or not < 1350589836 449382 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Each thread in LinuxThreads has a different pid. < 1350589844 476504 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1350589850 615397 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that. is. horrible < 1350589850 792085 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This isn't a *subtle* non-conformance error, it's a Big one. < 1350589855 870889 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1350589901 573865 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. is thread implementation part of kernel or part of libc on linux? < 1350589920 780089 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of libc, *but* with some support needed from the kernel. < 1350589930 578962 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1350589942 854640 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.4 doesn't support the flag for clone that indicates the new process needs the same PID as the parent. < 1350589981 943889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :patch it < 1350589984 25352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ksplice it < 1350589990 80160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we make the Imakuni?'s card in Dungeons&Dragons game? < 1350590001 490532 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :should it be hard to fix? I have not really poked anything newer than linux 0.2 < 1350590019 321430 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Red Hat 9 backported it. < 1350590032 482732 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could probably just filch their patch. < 1350590038 622530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about RHEL3? < 1350590056 563342 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always read RHEL as RHELL < 1350590062 873996 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RHEL3 was derived from Red Hat 9. < 1350590062 953472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350590065 352513 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I assume so. < 1350590065 477560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's how it's often pronounced too < 1350590076 404692 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ksplice never worked on 2.4 to my knowledge < 1350590084 58580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350590099 290431 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah. 2.4 to 2.6 involved Huge Changes. < 1350590126 299041 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Anyways, you should use musl because it is the Best Libc Ever. :P < 1350590156 83286 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ok. If I can get it to compile with something ancient I'll give it a shot < 1350590162 933033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well so does 2.6.9 to 3.4 and ksplice supports that whole range :) < 1350590165 695274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1350590167 19602 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Builds with PCC. < 1350590177 739526 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :going back to 2.4 would be a bigger deal still < 1350590191 250991 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: isn't pcc c89 only? < 1350590200 625043 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's been updated to C99. < 1350590206 427674 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1350590212 906218 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is worth a try < 1350590229 235236 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux 2.4+toybox+pcc+musl < 1350590258 401430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should the Haskell programs in their own pages in esolang wiki to use literate Haskell format so that you can download the file and then it will work? < 1350590300 21677 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC 2.95 however is C89-only. ;) < 1350590310 389650 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1350590320 95484 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair warning, you cannot build Linux with PCC. < 1350590347 801568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a bad enough dude to build linux with pcc < 1350590358 849616 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably need both pcc and tcc and patches for linux or gcc 2.95 < 1350590392 375507 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, you know < 1350590393 738481 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc 4 < 1350590401 37468 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not < 1350590408 594161 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be rational < 1350590451 962986 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I'm going to use linux 2.4 and coreutils without cp why not use ancient/obscure compilers < 1350590481 303287 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+? < 1350590505 603797 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it will of course use umsdos and loadlin < 1350590533 601213 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The better option would be to pay landley to do qcc. < 1350590545 597975 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. yeah < 1350590578 70113 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wouldn't it have the same problem as pcc (lack of gcc specific stuff)? < 1350590604 833922 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What he wants to do with it is make it usable as the only compiler in his Aboriginal Linux project. < 1350590618 653895 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and he considers it a regression if he can't build Linux From Scratch using that) < 1350590629 284463 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds good < 1350590645 662118 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to find out where and how I can send the money < 1350590663 196851 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And realize that paying a guy to do something fulltime for a few months is pricy. :P < 1350590682 363547 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... < 1350590726 317295 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-226.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1350590735 893581 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so qcc was tcc frontend bolted to qemy code generator, right? < 1350590767 44774 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-226.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1350590867 681959 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then the frontend boosted like crazy. < 1350590870 202161 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then binutils. < 1350590888 7006 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, in short, "fuck GNU" < 1350590919 341223 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1350590935 561417 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also hope toybox gets cp and mv soon < 1350590936 22829 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-25-226.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1350590956 316309 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :using sash for those things in my minidistro is getting annoying < 1350590978 42534 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it really not have cp and mv < 1350590999 106158 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On landley's todo list up there with "get email working". < 1350591004 153727 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have those but those are broken < 1350591009 256616 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nah, it's a relatively new project. < 1350591028 939416 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-203-72.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And landley's spent the past year unable to work on it as much as he'd like. < 1350591076 236157 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Dungeons&Dragons game (and for Icosahedral RPG) I could make up the "Imakuni?'s" spells like the Imakuni?'s cards, and I could make up the "Kjugobe's" psionic powers like the psionic powers that would be made up by my character. < 1350591178 990776 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350591196 165916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why would anyone bother to memorize an Imakuni?'s spell? < 1350591203 230355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, why would anyone embed a question mark in their name?) < 1350591293 415759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: In case you are strange you would do those things, I suppose. < 1350591333 763205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it may occasionally find useful as you would any spells, so you might want to write on the scroll to use as a scroll. < 1350591500 692077 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a dupdog interpreter because I was bored < 1350591504 3299 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've no idea if it works < 1350592014 844975 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ॐኙ┯䩛钳𒥣𥋃񊖃򔬃*** Exception: Prelude.chr: bad argument: 1218051" < 1350592025 992252 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's meant to say "Hello, World!" < 1350592035 561789 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close enough. < 1350592037 505716 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my program is wrong < 1350592336 611498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1218051 is *so close*, it's almost a characer. I mean, relatively speaking. They do go up to 1114111. < 1350592585 27060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: U+006D LATIN SMALL LIGATURE RN [m] < 1350592776 692196 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verily. < 1350592915 749775 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@remember shachaf U+006D LATIN SMALL LIGATURE RN [m] < 1350592916 1139 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1350592949 772300 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they call them like U+006D instead of U+6D? < 1350592999 88155 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, now that we have U+1F773 ALCHEMICAL SYMBOL FOR HALF OUNCE, why isn’t it U+0006D? < 1350593048 595905 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's some kind of a thing that it's max(4, needed) characters. < 1350593150 779207 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 'a' < 1350593151 277190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We do sort-of have U+100000 too, so maybe it should be U+00006D.) < 1350593151 628572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Int' < 1350593151 870250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type ... < 1350593155 665459 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 1000 < 1350593156 774363 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\1000' < 1350593162 554588 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 1114111 < 1350593164 81459 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1350593168 420295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1350593169 787115 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 1114111 < 1350593171 375325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1350593178 838572 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that error mean < 1350593198 3477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the let-definitions file, isn't it? < 1350593212 371699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly some sort of a race condition. Normally it's a very transient error, though. < 1350593215 783987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 1114111 < 1350593216 875456 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\1114111' < 1350593223 289301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There, I fixed it." < 1350593230 831132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Full disclosure: I did nothing to fix it.) < 1350593257 625311 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map chr [0..] < 1350593258 447984 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\NUL\SOH\STX\ETX\EOT\ENQ\ACK\a\b\t\n\v\f\r\SO\SI\DLE\DC1\DC2\DC3\DC4\NAK\S... < 1350593267 277010 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map chr [32..] < 1350593268 279921 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : " !\"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\\]^_`abcdefg... < 1350593277 184833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how it has the ASCII control character names. < 1350593283 674329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map chr [127..] < 1350593284 725804 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\DEL\128\129\130\131\132\133\134\135\136\137\138\139\140\141\142\143\144\1... < 1350593330 519346 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map chr [255..] < 1350593331 485489 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\255\256\257\258\259\260\261\262\263\264\265\266\267\268\269\270\271\272\2... < 1350593341 868927 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not going to print them, is it < 1350593388 857221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't look that way. < 1350593400 992331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Ā" < 1350593402 537423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\256" < 1350593406 445806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works as input, though. < 1350593464 839433 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1350593465 704134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I recall, it disallows unallocated code points in string literals, if not escaped, due to some reason related to not getting the lexical information about the characters from the unicode character database. < 1350593494 255807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "࿿" < 1350593495 396159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : < 1350593495 475353 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at chara... < 1350593499 600046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1350593502 915576 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "♥" < 1350593503 944954 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\9829" < 1350593511 216312 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "\♥" < 1350593512 502511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : < 1350593512 581732 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at chara... < 1350593517 384640 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "\♥" < 1350593518 436432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : < 1350593518 604494 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at chara... < 1350593524 877497 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :iOS6 maps? http://i.imgur.com/aaVkk.jpg < 1350593528 687820 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "\u0342" < 1350593529 791443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : < 1350593529 871034 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at chara... < 1350593532 729752 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1350593533 987489 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "44" < 1350593535 156153 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "44" < 1350593543 882902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Maybe they're just resting. < 1350593562 437903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "\x0342" -- maybe what you wanted? < 1350593563 509032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\834" < 1350593585 56203 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "\\♥" < 1350593586 118701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\\\9829" < 1350593603 137485 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord '♥' < 1350593604 170067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9829 < 1350593631 654556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, there are control character names (maybe slightly less standard) for 0x80..0x9F, IIRC, they could've added those names too, is what I was supposed to say after trying the 127.. thing. < 1350593770 448135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.adequatelygood.com/2010/3/JavaScript-Module-Pattern-In-Depth lambda the ultimate < 1350593845 763710 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt (-1) < 1350593846 543374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN < 1350593866 211711 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/0 < 1350593867 370583 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity < 1350593874 731512 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> -1/0 < 1350593875 563029 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -Infinity < 1350593883 488552 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-1/0) + (1/0) < 1350593884 891644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1350593908 189750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt (-1) == sqrt (-1) -- the nans strike again < 1350593909 274642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1350593916 784647 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (-1/0) + (1/0) < 1350593917 832946 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN < 1350593937 884768 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt -1 * 0 < 1350593938 902618 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> a) < 1350593938 981880 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `... < 1350593949 15459 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt (-1) * 0 < 1350593949 897989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN < 1350593962 922658 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, multiplying by zero doesn't get rid of it < 1350593967 962412 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt (-1) :: CReal < 1350593971 575394 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1350594007 380974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt ((-1) :+ 0) == sqrt ((-1) :+ 0) < 1350594008 639444 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1350594033 913865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt ((-1) :+ 0) -- because < 1350594034 964815 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0 :+ 1.0 < 1350594090 475823 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay Data.Complex < 1350594274 832150 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-65-48.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1350594284 369124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Complex should do type Zomplex = Complex Double (or however that's written). < 1350594379 165980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, there's a BLAS.C.Zomplex Haskell module. < 1350594408 335957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It defines things that operate on Ptr (Complex Double). < 1350594481 267192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's such delightful signatures like zgbmv :: CBLASOrder -> CBLASTrans -> Int -> Int -> Int -> Int -> Ptr (Complex Double) -> Ptr (Complex Double) -> Int -> Ptr (Complex Double) -> Int -> Ptr (Complex Double) -> Ptr (Complex Double) -> Int -> IO (). < 1350594633 523077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's haskell so i can tell right from the type what that does < 1350594634 257729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It does y = a*A*x + b*y, or y = a*A^T*x + b*y, or y = a*A^H*x + b*y, where a, b are scalars, x, y are vectors, A is a matrix, A^T is its transpose, and a^H its conjugate transpose, depending probably on the CBLASTrans.) < 1350594658 263860 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1350594663 362889 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And it does it FAST, because it's BLAS, and you have a BLASt.) < 1350594671 679405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whence the name "Zomplex" < 1350594672 797458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1350594685 374422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350594715 844139 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : my primary school used primarily Acorn computers, together with some BBC Micros < 1350594727 404608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my neighbour used an acorn until like 5 years ago < 1350594731 59347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the double-precision complex, I think for the blas/lapack single-letter names that go S for single-precision, D for double-precision, C for single-precision complex and Z for double-precision complex. < 1350594740 167992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking they just couldn't think of a suitable letter. < 1350594779 749750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, SGI's math library uses 'complex' and 'zomplex' with the same difference. Not sure who was first there. < 1350594786 30226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be T, if anything < 1350594908 633851 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350594987 455724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I was slightly inexact there, A needs to be a general band matrix, i.e. only some amount of its diagonals are stored. You can (obviously) tell from the GV. < 1350595016 252897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would of course be ZGEMV for the general matrix-vector operation. < 1350595232 790235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"General" to distinguish it from Hermitian (regular, band, packed-storage), orthogonal (regular, packed), Hessenberg (upper, upper-generalized), symmetric (regular, tridiagonal, packed), positive definite (regular, band, packed, tridiagonal), triangular (regular, packed, bad, generalized), trapezoidal, unitary (regular, packed), diagonal or bidiagonal matrices which all have their own ... < 1350595239 235828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... optimized storage formats and function versions. (List not exhaustive, I just got bored typing.) < 1350595242 179868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Numeric programming must be such fun. < 1350595263 680880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That one "bad" should've been "band". < 1350595277 90637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no special version/format for bad triangular matrices. < 1350595295 757945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I'm not sure what makes a triangular matrix bad. Maybe it has just one or two elements on the other side? < 1350595385 463666 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1350595405 379683 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350596107 897713 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1350597391 752242 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1350597612 875261 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350598250 326656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1350598318 356728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350598747 142176 :Max00355!~Max00355@pool-71-187-70-92.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is brainfuck useful for exactly? < 1350598764 692626 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything < 1350598772 421876 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-204-58.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Turing complete! < 1350598774 917292 :Slereah_!x@ANantes-259-1-204-58.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :So totally < 1350598823 720877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Max00355: proving other languages turing complete and not much else < 1350598890 310717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has some interesting derivatives, and a lot more really boring derivatives < 1350598891 176224 :Max00355!~Max00355@pool-71-187-70-92.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, but what I don't understand is how a self-interpreter could be made than. < 1350598902 85729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'd actually say that proving other languages TC is not that useful a use < 1350598908 300789 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Max00355: It's TC < 1350598913 633384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :minsky machines or tag/cyclic tag machines are normally easier to implement < 1350598919 772377 :Max00355!~Max00355@pool-71-187-70-92.nwrknj.fios.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I know that. < 1350598929 548851 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :any turing-equivalent language admits a self-interpreter < 1350598938 789033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: unless it can't take input < 1350598938 940768 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1350598946 102356 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1350598947 573937 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, then you just need to encode it in initial state, or whatever < 1350598949 844459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not being able to produce output isn't a problem) < 1350598952 931410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, OK < 1350598958 282800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it depends on your definition of interpreter < 1350598969 130562 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find myself agreeing with elliott here, repeatedly < 1350598969 718748 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1350598984 167525 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, does any TC language admit a self-interpreter? even if it's super-Turing? < 1350599003 246877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like you could make a construct more powerful than a UTM, but one insufficiently inflexible to emulate itself < 1350599016 145360 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a halting oracle where you have to embed the program to check in the source code, or something < 1350599036 119211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1350599044 79894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :superturing isn't normally considerd tc < 1350599053 871130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you consider BF to be a PDA? < 1350599062 252351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough, but you know what i mean < 1350599115 193945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Any webhamster who specifies pt (or cm, for that matter) for a non-print layout (that is any non-fixed-size layout) should go to jail for no less than double the font size (measured in football fields, of course). < 1350599117 342166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1350599150 618428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so would you say curly-L is strictly weaker than TC? < 1350599157 609834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you think it's pointing out that TC is poorly-defined? < 1350599216 953686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is this related? < 1350599271 693954 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this" = ? < 1350599281 452225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she shouldn't use pronouns on the internet < 1350599387 117264 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this = < 1350599387 405450 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm < 1350599387 484735 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : elliott: so would you say curly-L is strictly weaker than TC? < 1350599387 484939 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : or do you think it's pointing out that TC is poorly-defined? < 1350599397 796679 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :related to = < 1350599398 167915 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, does any TC language admit a self-interpreter? even if it's super-Turing? < 1350599398 612930 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : seems like you could make a construct more powerful than a UTM, but one insufficiently inflexible to emulate itself < 1350599398 692146 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : like a halting oracle where you have to embed the program to check in the source code, or something < 1350599399 661393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm < 1350599401 659380 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : superturing isn't normally considerd tc < 1350599403 832262 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : would you consider BF to be a PDA? < 1350599413 139338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's vaguely related < 1350599428 627938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :curly-L is the class of languages that can interpret some TC language, right? < 1350599447 628808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a case of establishing bounds either way < 1350599457 38792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I just realised I wasn't really thinking < 1350599457 159428 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1350599467 272574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, are all super-turing languages also TC? < 1350599473 884994 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, s/TC/capable of implementing a UTM etc./ in my statement < 1350599478 273089 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want it unambiguous < 1350599479 625693 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ish < 1350599481 752911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine that a language that was, say, /just/ a halting oracle wouldn't be < 1350599511 554436 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... you can implement a UTM emulator with that, sort of < 1350599518 404416 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TC if you can write a program that halts iff UTM, right? < 1350599522 434325 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1350599524 675962 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TC if you can write a program that halts iff UTM halts, right? < 1350599529 595415 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write a program that prints 1 iff UTM halts and 0 if not < 1350599533 584067 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sort of TC" < 1350599545 69574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm, right < 1350599548 557190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not vice versa < 1350599551 371857 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really TC < 1350599552 782731 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "sort of" < 1350599556 439838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1350599563 169132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's reminiscent of curly-L but in a different way < 1350599574 207086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have halts(p) and ifnot (bool) stmt and loop_forever() then you can do < 1350599581 303968 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifnot (halts(...)) loop_forever() < 1350599596 201304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ew" - audience < 1350599604 405580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION optimises that < 1350599608 114404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whilenot (halts(...)) ; < 1350599618 345168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: until (halts(...)); < 1350599623 527529 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1350599628 878131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you said "ifnot", not "unless" < 1350599631 407022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Arc_Koen < 1350599635 662873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so I was just copying your style < 1350599637 274632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was a joke < 1350599642 665488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know < 1350599644 260845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so was mine < 1350599649 167220 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what's a pda?) < 1350599654 723600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: push-down automaton < 1350599655 473628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, you're a joke < 1350599670 639800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: personal digital assistant < 1350599672 138013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how languages with two stacks are usually turing-complete, unless they have weird flow control issues? < 1350599679 923048 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: public display of affection < 1350599684 519530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you take one of those but give it only one stack, you usually get a push-down automaton < 1350599687 670784 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: pricy dice access < 1350599697 342501 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: pillar-dancing anemone < 1350599701 752319 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he asked an on-topic question, can't he get an on-topic answer? < 1350599708 356058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: park drive automobile < 1350599710 233487 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no < 1350599713 436 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well personal digital assistant I knew < 1350599713 80005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well yes actually < 1350599713 683911 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he did < 1350599718 790108 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i gave him lots of off-topic answers < 1350599721 954900 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but somehow I figured that's not what brainfuck was < 1350599737 653450 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: a simple example is a modification of BF where all tape cells to the right of the pointer instantly get set to 0 < 1350599757 696573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, my point was that BF is at least as powerful as a PDA, but it's not normally considered a PDA because it's /also/ TC < 1350599758 754256 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :creepy < 1350599798 451217 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that seems only logical < 1350599815 596002 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of brainfuck programs is strictly larger than the set of pda programs < 1350599820 529499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could replace < with [-]< < 1350599823 341929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everywhere < 1350599825 552711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get the same effect < 1350599827 483270 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(larger than in the sense of inclusion) < 1350599834 599016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, PDA is one of the few interesting sub-Turing computational classes < 1350599843 740030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can write some real programs in it, sometimes < 1350599853 761318 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of rectangles is strictly larger than the set of squares < 1350599853 841091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(primitive recursive is another, and there are not nearly enough esolangs that use it) < 1350599863 908658 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet rectangles are not normally considered squares < 1350599878 989661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, I'm considering making the Anarchy compiler give a warning if the input program isn't provably primitive recursive) < 1350599886 407571 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never really know the definition of primitive recursive < 1350599903 68055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: the simplest definition is that for all loops, you need to be able to cap the number of iterations before you start looping < 1350599911 250779 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (btw, I'm considering making the Anarchy compiler give a warning if the input program isn't provably primitive recursive) < 1350599912 867002 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make it total < 1350599912 947403 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, o < 1350599913 777785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this obviously implies that the program necessarily halts eventually < 1350599914 799500 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1350599917 164560 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the cool languages are total < 1350599934 495852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I strongly considered that but it turned out that making it total syntactically disallowed interesting things < 1350599941 91136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I decided static analysis for totality made more sense < 1350599943 878181 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1350599950 567730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hey, if you really want to write an infinite loop, you can, but it's a little nontrivial < 1350599954 886116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it disallow that you want? < 1350599988 945531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: most notably, tail-recursion (specifically recursion, don't really want general tail-calls for this) that simply mutates the input parameters < 1350600000 355416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can refactor that into a version that doesn't but it's a lot of annoying boilerplate < 1350600013 987184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, see C-INTERCAL's optimizer for an example < 1350600014 668142 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um, I think Agda allows that < 1350600020 894073 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe your checking sucks :p < 1350600021 619855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1350600024 707963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't allow it /in general/ < 1350600027 314041 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Coq does too < 1350600031 372374 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but monqy probably knows more than me there < 1350600039 859962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what specific restrictions does it put on it to keep it total? < 1350600043 705155 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1350600048 44612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for instance, foo (S n) = foo n is obviously OK < 1350600052 946054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because clearly if you don't mutate the parameters, you get an infinite loop < 1350600054 384965 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you know it can't keep taking that path forever < 1350600066 925606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because it's not codata) < 1350600075 546994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Anarchy can do that too without the warning < 1350600088 856206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking more along the lines of foo (x, y) | x > y = foo y x < 1350600093 469724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, = foo (y, x) < 1350600103 160779 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me not muddle curried and uncurried versions of things < 1350600105 858272 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds that definition dubious anyway < 1350600111 827503 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1350600143 957686 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: codata? < 1350600145 712509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well of course it's dubious < 1350600177 712730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be nice to be able to automatically resolve a bunch of those and determine whether it definitely halts, or whether the compiler isn't sure whether it definitely halts or not < 1350600189 435514 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus only a warning, in case the compiler fails to solve the halting problem in that particular case < 1350600272 123531 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a language with a halting oracle to which you give a pair (p, n) where p is a pointer to the beginning of a program (in that language) and n the length of the program < 1350600288 559013 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this means you can feed the halting oracle the program it's in < 1350600320 16199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: that just defies the laws of physics < 1350600326 628652 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1350600329 588600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can conditionally run an infinite loop < 1350600339 199372 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway, I think you can do something like that < 1350600343 218854 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need to use something stronger than booleans < 1350600367 147431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anarchy's type system is already straining at the edges of credibility anyway < 1350600370 226727 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :funnily enough we get the same paradoxes as with time travel < 1350600373 203609 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can implement it, but not in a compositional way < 1350600379 819929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: see http://esolangs.org/wiki/TwoDucks if you haven't already < 1350600380 164223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's very very bad < 1350600383 799875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd scrap it entirely < 1350600387 72922 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have < 1350600389 383131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it may be implementable compositionally too < 1350600397 505310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really this is for ease of use rather than mathematical purity < 1350600401 247687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be obvious :) < 1350600404 993702 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two are linked < 1350600406 694866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"warning: code is dead, cannot typecheck it" < 1350600461 268134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well it probably annoys mathematicians, and Haskell fans in particular < 1350600461 437666 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, question < 1350600473 35107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anyone who's listened to me talk to my boss will know how much I insist on things generally being compositional < 1350600477 335813 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.171 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1350600482 563004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems like a small price to pay for a language this great to use < 1350600490 199395 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't have invented Anarchy if I didn't really badly want to use it < 1350600552 262117 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine I have a language X_n defined as { p in {brainfuck programs} such that the deepest level of loop-nesting in p is n } < 1350600566 176676 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… not counting efficiency/computational complexity, in pure total programs, call-by-name and call-by-value are observationally indistinguishable, right? < 1350600568 312185 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for instance X_0 is brainfuck without [ ], X_1 is brainfuck without nested loops, etc. < 1350600573 747093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think that's because you only think about the Anarchy programs you want to write < 1350600577 433315 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the ones you'll miswrite by mistkae < 1350600578 934192 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mistake < 1350600596 226484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: if the question is "what's the first that's TC", I've wondered that myself < 1350600629 720254 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's indeed the question < 1350600635 395440 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did yourself answered? < 1350600638 915360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it's widely believed to be either 2 or 3 < 1350600644 240716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think it's ever been settled conclusively < 1350600644 319864 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sweet < 1350600664 9472 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was afraid none would be < 1350600671 513333 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, new question then: what about qdecl? < 1350600700 992933 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I limit the number of nested loops to, say, 200 or something, do you expect it would still be TC? < 1350600712 941571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps does anyone know how to make a quine with FurryScript? I have not figured it out by yet. < 1350600746 449037 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1350600782 816603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: well put it this way, you can write a BF self-interpreter, right? < 1350600798 556200 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never tried < 1350600800 993666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can bundle a self-interp with an input program, because you can do ++++>++>+++++>++>++++++> or whatever at the start of the program with no loops at all < 1350600813 777374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the question boils down to "what BF self-interpreter has the least deeply nested loops?" < 1350600854 568601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523++ # makes sense < 1350600863 938404 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds clever but I actually have no idea what your mean < 1350600894 551340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: let's see < 1350600897 618613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xmodmap: please release the following keys within 2 seconds: Control_L (keysym 0xffe3, keycode 66) < 1350600907 631163 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to read this as a threat < 1350600922 896808 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose we extend BF with a command that interprets the input tape as a BF program < 1350600927 49911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two things happen < 1350600927 830584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I hate it when that happens. :-( < 1350600939 617645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, Phantom_Hoover replaces our brain with a brick < 1350600939 696910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm too lazy to fix my things, so I run while true; do xmodmap -e 'remove Lock = Caps_Lock' -e 'keysym Caps_Lock = Escape'; disable-capslock; sleep 2; done < 1350600947 56049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :second, we can compile any BF program into one that uses no loops < 1350600952 520664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1350600954 292637 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1350600961 18069 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it doesn't require any loops to put the program on the tape < 1350600971 620844 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so we can just put the program on the tape, then run our new command < 1350600976 574670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you understand that far? < 1350600983 245892 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how will you do complete the second step when your brain is a brick? < 1350600996 633982 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye,s I do < 1350601019 621383 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh I get it < 1350601021 376405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: now, suppose that in order to avoid inferring the wrath of Phantom__Hoover, instead of adding this new command to BF, instead we write a BF program that interprets the tape as a BF program and runs it < 1350601044 132340 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I get it, ++++>++>+++++>thing was filling the cells with a brainfuck program < 1350601057 85223 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's nice < 1350601098 677527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, with a different instruction encoding, but there's no need to use ASCII < 1350601107 638422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this psionic power for Dungeons&Dragons game???? http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/options/Kjugobe_Psionic_Hack.p < 1350601403 353867 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: anyway, I'm not sure if anyone's seriously tried to write a two-nested-loop selfinterp, or even a three-nested-loop selfinterp < 1350601445 617999 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok < 1350601460 438091 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering because I wanted to prove Emmental TC < 1350601467 688173 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, i'm only a short train ride from birmingham, remember < 1350601469 377075 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think I can convert Qdecl programs into Emmental < 1350601471 818579 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're playing with fire here < 1350601483 705272 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I need a distinct symbol for every nested loop < 1350601498 517250 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are only 256 symbols soooooo < 1350601504 843030 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the minimum nesting has to be finite because otherwise any TC interpreter written in BF would have to be infinite < 1350601512 51182 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably small too < 1350601579 933608 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm though I'm wondering if I only needed a distinct symbol for nested loops... for instance consider a program like BEGIN BEGIN END BEGIN END BEGIN END END < 1350601588 768764 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with actual code inside of all those loops) < 1350601597 807800 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1350601664 411278 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.comedycentral.com/video-clips/5a1dsd/key-and-peele-bling-benzy---da-struggle < 1350601873 429919 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :brony < 1350601876 199791 :brony!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1350602527 225525 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Ahhh, other-channel-/nicking. < 1350602532 644235 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Always fun. < 1350602704 331585 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1350604157 783421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: huh, did you know that Debian changed official desktop environments? < 1350604166 772659 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it now < 1350604185 610462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xfce; http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=tasksel/tasksel.git;a=commitdiff;h=2a962cc65cdba010177f27e8824ba10d9a799a08 < 1350604237 878879 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“This ensures that the desktop will fit on CD#1, which gnome currently does not.” < 1350604239 321567 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best reason. < 1350604268 570479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: suspect that's code for "I don't like GNOME 3 and thought of a decent technical excuse" :p < 1350604315 538534 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eeyup. < 1350604350 173428 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it were my call, I'd have just made the commit message “Switched the default WM to XFCE, because Gnome is fucking terrible.” < 1350604382 202433 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only xfce was actually godo rather than just not being gnome < 1350604411 364513 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1350604416 777394 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't they just use godo instead < 1350604423 886409 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*good < 1350604429 212033 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :todo make wm called godo