< 1346457610 670584 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what has the biggest number to do with that, though? < 1346457623 327014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the biggest number is needed for $'s < 1346457630 402264 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1346457692 507424 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, we can try with (m+1)n < 1346457821 332174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually hm < 1346457910 575334 :Dovregubben!~kurt@c-67-160-13-34.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346457999 527967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(m-1) is enough for the $'s < 1346458024 553819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(m-1)*n_$ + 2*n_: + n_rest < 1346458056 842072 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1346458067 69690 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure that's wrong < 1346458080 95256 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :simpel counter example: < 1346458088 720117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1346458122 416701 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum < 1346458149 507139 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION begins to understand why Ftack is so useless < 1346458156 123700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1346458195 143947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably should be max(m-1, 1) < 1346458237 149521 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahah < 1346458322 686111 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I have an idea < 1346458340 995334 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me just check that it is really a counterexample < 1346458366 156692 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's most definitely not < 1346458368 811357 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's fun < 1346458377 85895 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~H~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ < 1346458385 642889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1346458416 359578 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346458457 282689 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have to define "(m-1)*n_$" to be 0 if there are no numbers though, I think < 1346458473 186446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1346458489 768864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess if there are no numbers you are catting the moment you hit a $, so yeah < 1346458498 205134 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise we could include a $ as the last element < 1346458536 362087 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+1 symbol, +1 step, -1 in the bound < 1346458605 201065 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1346458614 354607 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not sure) < 1346458642 75058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you can also have $0whatever < 1346458675 253801 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but that's +3 symbols, +1 step < 1346458681 87066 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1346458687 624347 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, ok < 1346458715 91484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so max(m-1, 0) with 0 even if m doesn't exist < 1346458732 206569 :Dovregubben!~kurt@c-67-160-13-34.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346458757 210566 :Nisstyre_!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346458789 84508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1346458799 797974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is close to correct anyway, i think < 1346458808 331695 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? < 1346458836 690945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh $0$ < 1346458845 154280 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1346458851 488123 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works though < 1346458864 645634 :Nisstyre_!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346458871 806626 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bound is 1, step is 1 < 1346458874 474446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but we need the max < 1346458919 770320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :$1$ < 1346458947 67689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it works < 1346458969 486205 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that only :~!( can be applied to themselves < 1346458978 344146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i already did < 1346458999 961509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of those, : and ( give end states < 1346459000 465960 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm feeling so helpful right now < 1346459008 291615 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1346459014 84842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while ~ and ! keep shrinking < 1346459048 749986 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ +1 step +1 symbol +1 to the bound < 1346459137 481050 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!x + 1 step either + 2 or +m to the bound < 1346459173 696538 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, with a minimum of +1 < 1346459179 526836 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, both are useless < 1346459455 154047 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, ./fueuec thuemorse still ends up on a segfault, even with catching empty queues < 1346459520 153552 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and being a while loop) < 1346459520 319887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the suggestion to not use recursion? < 1346459565 617999 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait < 1346459617 65839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie seemed to have debugger proof that it overflowed the stack < 1346459659 594806 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346459666 5985 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should learn to use debuggers < 1346459687 630380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey me too! < 1346459689 336668 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe use an actual ide < 1346459712 638628 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TextEdit does have limitations < 1346459721 376903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a vim guy < 1346459743 377221 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, at least vim is related to programming < 1346459763 117025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't even have any of the advanced vim setup some people do < 1346459960 775972 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, you can use TextEdit? < 1346459974 133200 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346459979 757095 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why could I not? < 1346459983 441130 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a mac user < 1346459984 310444 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR it only writing RTFs, but I was young and stupid back then. < 1346460039 153040 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's a text editor < 1346460045 174110 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like windows's blocnote < 1346460064 278864 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe sliiiightly more advanced as it can do some basic text formatting < 1346460076 529096 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm definitely not using that < 1346460106 971059 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: it has an auto-spell check < 1346460119 250328 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't disable it, it will correct what you're typing without asking < 1346460132 473651 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't aware of that, it messed with a lot of ocaml programs < 1346460167 490927 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 'rec' which was systematically turned into 'ref', or the opposite < 1346460315 71031 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :urrh < 1346460323 376218 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :segfaulted on the alphabet < 1346460331 76464 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, this is a bug that should be corrected easily < 1346460582 74903 :subleq!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346460585 991110 :subleq!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1346460632 936272 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1346460657 789265 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome subleq < 1346460658 788998 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :empty program + ^D successfully prints an infinite amount of ? < 1346460661 206923 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :subleq: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1346460662 874728 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello subleq < 1346460677 981086 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :ChuckPonzi < 1346460690 315309 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net, just incase < 1346460703 969938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or try Wikipedia. < 1346460728 51324 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as if someone named subleq < 1346460746 906814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in csae. < 1346460747 240524 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i was being ironic < 1346460774 411605 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^just in case < 1346460860 527596 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: funny bug... ./fueuec '--65' works as it should, but ./fueuec --print '--65' reveals it doesn't -- 65 65 0 A 0 (waits for input) < 1346461012 251174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wut < 1346461019 615353 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy, uh? < 1346461059 324162 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's one (or more) function I've messed with which somehow prevents stuff to be sent back to queue < 1346461061 271833 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1346461064 51032 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1346461122 807399 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that makes both ) and - destroy the next element < 1346461319 675888 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now - and + interpret anything that's not a number as if it were a 0 < 1346461542 32825 :subleq!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i see all the old folks are here < 1346461543 870674 :subleq!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1346461566 28496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi subleq < 1346461629 507877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: something wrong with the use of matchwhat? < 1346461660 641850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you assume that is true you might get such an effect. < 1346461662 22214 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1346461675 709303 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, of course < 1346461694 989301 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :things would have gotten serious if I had used an union < 1346461720 297457 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/serious/fancy < 1346461736 739291 :subleq!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oklopol < 1346461770 829022 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :urrrrh < 1346461772 607286 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1346461781 732650 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used !*s as meaning "s is not empty" < 1346461796 736500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1346461837 225056 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, s != "" worked just fine < 1346461838 840203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i suppose s[0] != '\0' is more readable, and probably compiles down to the same thing. < 1346461839 672468 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1346461843 410934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1346461863 831679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so matchwhat _always_ returned true? :P < 1346461890 247464 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1346461896 926793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess unless the queue is empty < 1346461907 181452 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no, always < 1346461949 476328 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :matchwhat is structured as "if (neither string nor queue are empty) {...} else if (string not empty) { false} else true" < 1346461975 333594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a hunch that the entirety of matchwhat could be rewritten as a single expression < 1346461980 953157 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, thinking all strings were empty, he always returned true < 1346461985 899774 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346461992 552292 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in ocaml I wrote it another way < 1346462032 590156 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and could have wrote it many different other ways but heh one is enough < 1346462127 770657 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.41.216 PART :#esoteric < 1346462201 930041 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+HH still transforms into 0 though < 1346462211 317025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek < 1346462219 894559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :paste the code? < 1346462289 162948 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/XfgY < 1346462301 969510 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/XfgY?c actually < 1346462607 927594 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346462779 789942 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: adding printf("matchwhat: %s\n", (itsok?"TRUE":"FALSE")); in matchwhat shows matchwhat isn't even called < 1346462792 66369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1346462848 154871 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like I made a fancy error with !*s which wasn't given an occasion to mess around < 1346462850 900738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make (s != "") in C it makes if the address does not match the address of "" so it is different. < 1346462889 182341 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1346462969 311189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But !*s means if s points to a value zero so for string meaning, empty string. < 1346462978 62774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: does it get to if (op == '+') < 1346462984 504425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1346463008 815232 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll add a printf but I guess it does, since + 3 4 gives 7 < 1346463050 937415 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, uh, I agree this doesn't make any sense < 1346463091 476710 :ChuckPonzi!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1346463097 784162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: FSVO "nicer" < 1346463101 787308 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARRRH STUPID ME < 1346463121 626539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I value hours not spent on a plane much more than hours spent on a plane being able to watch movies. < 1346463122 838096 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was using a different name for exec file when compiling and executing < 1346463135 269457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooo < 1346463184 123281 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically I was using the last version which used that name, which probably was right after switching to !*s < 1346463211 405250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :With that said, Virgin America's was probably the nicest domestic flight I've been on. < 1346463328 661516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: fancy < 1346463355 130402 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, it works with the wiki page's sample programs < 1346463368 388052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1346463447 83465 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have any other remarks on the code... :-) < 1346463500 842307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not haskelly enough ;P < 1346463517 594286 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1346463546 222507 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hum, you have proven fueue was turing-complete? < 1346463555 252402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially. < 1346463588 893068 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has even proven that norway is turing complete < 1346463599 656230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1346463615 535361 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-94.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346463680 612780 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so up to now I was think those 46 46 46 111 117 116 32 111 102 32 115 116 97 99 107 33 10 things were supposed to be used by underload < 1346463691 140906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1346463700 936315 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-139-51.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1346463702 463896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ! < 1346463703 639 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of stack! < 1346463711 47468 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I just had the idea to < 1346463712 218840 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1346463712 424301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just copied it from fungot's underload < 1346463712 948359 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i already have < 1346463720 353122 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, ok < 1346463770 541923 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a second I thought "^ul !" meant "find the last ascii-looking sequence of numbers written on this channel and translate it" < 1346463779 50864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1346463816 911227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i then had to add the initial [] when i realized that the translation of : would gobble up the first 46 before it could get printed. < 1346463842 406151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since things happen slightly in parallel, more or less < 1346463924 716194 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if they are two : in the underload program? < 1346463936 316231 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't the first eat [] and the second 46? < 1346463970 838851 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, HEL-JFK and JFK-SFO are of comparable length < 1346463989 752326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :two consecutive underload functions aren't translated to two consecutive fueue subprograms. you need to use the AB translation to concatenate underload programs. < 1346464014 647563 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure about the subjective difference between 6h and 8h flights < 1346464019 123732 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both just register as "a long time" < 1346464024 895296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so only one of the :'s will be running at a time. < 1346464038 346636 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you see http://www.ethanzuckerman.com/blog/2012/08/30/long-flights-a-somewhat-serious-business-idea/ < 1346464074 570770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ! translation also would gobble up the [], in a very literal fashion since it happens precisely at the spot where i use a fueue ! to remove the popped element < 1346464092 741446 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1346464098 242620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hmm, I suppose that's true. < 1346464121 722344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is used to 10-12-hour international flights and 4-5 hours domestic flights. < 1346464131 761824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. < 1346464137 685224 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I'm not sure that's explicit on the wiki page, but I don't speak underload so i trust you < 1346464166 865904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't explain it much i guess :P < 1346464203 662592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I find myself unable to concentrate on anything in flights. < 1346464206 628528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose i should add something about A and B representing nested underload programs < 1346464236 317850 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why? < 1346464317 136140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I wish it wasn't the case. < 1346464332 924869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also rarely able to sleep. < 1346464408 837492 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nested? < 1346464414 139385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Conversation will be discouraged by a loud white noise machine that permeates the space, encouraging you to put on headphones and listen to whatever music you’ve brought with you." < 1346464423 614371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can also usually not get anything done while listening to music. < 1346464433 392 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's one of the dumber parts of this proposal < 1346464440 854433 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the commenters suggests that you rely on social norms to shut people up < 1346464447 512887 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the library < 1346464482 774593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and one of the most important of long flights is the loud baby in the row behind you. < 1346464494 605594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION accidentally a lot of words these days. < 1346464600 478952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i mean, to translate the underload program (:^):^ say, you translate A = (:^) B = :^ recursively and use the AB rule to combine them. < 1346464629 12613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can split it as A = (:^): B = ^ , doesn't matter much < 1346464659 717084 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you split it as A = (:^):^ B = empty ? < 1346464696 910756 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, you must continue splitting until you have only one-symbol programs? < 1346464704 78975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1346464711 744111 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :) < 1346464726 76533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you made me realize i actually forgot to represent the empty program in my translation < 1346464746 162472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is important, since you can have use for () which uses it recursively < 1346464768 47078 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what about music without words < 1346464809 115230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it's OK... Sometimes it still doesn't work. < 1346464840 941034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably figure it out and collect some non-disruptive music. < 1346465092 34266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: expanded the wiki table < 1346465196 456013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION OCD's on periods < 1346465264 298489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: oh and btw the subprograms must have matching parentheses, as always in underload, which is why the (A) rule is separate. < 1346465318 851492 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, but ( and ) are underload commands that are quite unrelated, are they? < 1346465333 541680 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the correct parenthesing is only an arbitrary rule, right? < 1346465350 257855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they always match. (A) is more or less similar to fueue (A < 1346465360 728830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait hm < 1346465365 773137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fueue [A] < 1346465453 340003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that fueue [A] does nothing, while underload [A] moves itself from the running program to the stack < 1346465460 514465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1346465464 974876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*underload (A) < 1346465516 962368 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I mention it was 4am? < 1346465525 166626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...not that i recall. < 1346465560 427646 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it is, so i'll take off < 1346465565 706408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night then < 1346465573 165253 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1346465662 305639 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think I corrected all bugs and memory leaks from fueue.c so i'd be thankful if you could replace it http://sprunge.us/iEAW < 1346465672 466820 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1346465679 52337 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric < 1346466000 245577 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346466767 349176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Review what I have written more of RogueVM; I have written a lot more by now. < 1346467408 869859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "ANSI Windows code pages, and especially the code page 1252, were called that way since they were purportedly based on drafts submitted or intended for ANSI. However, ANSI and ISO have not standardized any of these code pages." < 1346467498 432499 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1252 at least is *compatible with* the ISO charset it gets confused with. < 1346467652 209957 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346467678 669060 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1346468562 37610 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm using gitit < 1346468569 144034 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that i can export any dumb page on my wiki as LaTeX or man page < 1346468813 400925 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a S5 slideshow < 1346469408 242737 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-140-159.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346469413 7062 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-144-94.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346470444 407345 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1346471208 259365 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-90.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346471229 423665 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-140-159.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1346471507 94682 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-122.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346471533 935322 :pikhq_!~pikhq@70-56-224-90.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346472667 379270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1346473954 220122 :Concreto!~Pina@187.95.232.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346475443 726813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I wrote a lot more of RogueVM now: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/roguevm/roguevm.tex http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/roguevm/roguevm.dvi Now I have many more instructions, more about the display, a complex numeric print mode, and various other things added or modified in case they were wrong or missing before. < 1346475908 183023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a simple way to make CTR mode suitable for disk encryption? < 1346475964 670412 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I am going to sleep, but remind me about that question tomorrow. < 1346475980 874608 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask kmc Is there a simple way to make CTR mode suitable for disk encryption? < 1346475981 41216 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself! < 1346475983 245045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell kmc shachaf: I am going to sleep, but remind me about that question tomorrow. < 1346475983 410888 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1346475990 151487 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thachaf < 1346475990 318636 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1346475996 704836 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1346475999 789087 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> < 1346476000 402148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whoopse" -- kmc < 1346476010 858191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Back to normal-people sleep schedule, are you? < 1346476020 927891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell kmc 22:06 @ask kmc Is there a simple way to make CTR mode suitable for disk encryption? < 1346476021 92089 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1346476322 36238 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346476410 450737 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1346477124 379582 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1346477375 251861 :Concreto!~Pina@187.95.232.251 QUIT :Quit: who gives a shit? < 1346478789 988811 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.41.216 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346480551 980158 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1346481121 408279 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346481206 686604 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1346482126 276808 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346482194 301711 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346483537 168196 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89445.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346483782 158713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell kmc Also, can you easily turn a stream cipher into a block cipher? (Also, some other things.) < 1346483782 367283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1346483812 106829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will save conversation for tomorrow. < 1346484479 971967 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.41.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone used Joy? What do you think of it? < 1346485707 183805 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-140-70.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346485734 840758 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346486590 700861 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1346488733 265444 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-140-70.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1346491358 671189 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346491515 384667 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1346491515 553165 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1346491526 429962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> hi "atriq" < 1346491528 443476 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi atriq < 1346491532 150536 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src hi < 1346491532 318285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Maybe if you used more than just two fingers... < 1346491579 722070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen Remarks: You have another memory leak: consider ![...] or $n[...] -- in both, you throw away the block Token with deletetop(), but it doesn't free the Queue data in it; yet the only pointer to that data is lost. See http://sprunge.us/WiHK < 1346491579 926702 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1346491683 674918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Two Fingers" is a brand of tequila. I don't know where the name comes from. < 1346491750 794711 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ought to upload my Fueue interpreter somewhere < 1346491883 791405 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way I can pipe something directly to the clipboard? < 1346491900 486975 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo > /dev/clipboard or something like that < 1346491918 624442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> hi "atriq" < 1346491920 550728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : hatriq < 1346491921 738833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> hi "elliott" < 1346491923 677462 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : helliott < 1346491924 551467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> hi "oerjan" < 1346491926 376553 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : hoerjan < 1346491927 80604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> hi "kmc" < 1346491928 992963 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : h < 1346491930 801361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops. < 1346491931 913056 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1346491934 875280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> hi "keegan" < 1346491936 792967 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : heegan < 1346491936 960553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Depends on which clipboard you're talking about. For the X clipboards, there are several command-line tools. < 1346491950 282566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :'xclip' is one, if you happen to have it installed. < 1346491979 631042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses the primary selection by default, and the CLIPBOARD selection if you ask it to. < 1346492018 589721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"foo | xclip" will let the middle-mouse-paste paste the output of foo, for example. < 1346492029 724881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses xsel < 1346492037 753226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Because it usually seems to be installed. < 1346492048 845410 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not, here. < 1346492052 722641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though neither is xclip. < 1346492087 747802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks very similar, except with slightly more bells on it. < 1346492507 760718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen Remarks: I'm still a bit confused by is_empty not taking a Queue*; the "const Queue q" parameter declaration is especially confusing, since the 'const' can't really do anything too meaningful; it's passed a new Queue by value, so from the viewpoint of the caller, it couldn't modify it anyway. < 1346492507 925824 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1346492550 528276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen Remarks: In main, printf("Too many arguments.\n", argc); should either lose the "argc", or add a corresponding "%d" in the format. (The '-Wall' gcc flag would've noticed this.) < 1346492550 861306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1346492587 420129 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaargh < 1346492600 84378 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is getting syntax highlighting for Haskell on Tumblr so hard < 1346492801 835332 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346492876 580615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Perhaps you should start a more Haskell-friendly competitor, called Humblr? < 1346493226 273053 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone questions that some of us have or haven't done that. < 1346494657 632919 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no integer between 1 and 2! < 1346494925 124983 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :std::vector { 1, 3, 2} < 1346494934 466656 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: now there is < 1346494949 146238 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasp < 1346494949 690171 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :* insert = between > and { < 1346494982 565045 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and a name of choice of course) < 1346495033 463907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Can you do that nowadays? I remember a common complaint about std::vector and such that you can't use the {a,b,c} initializers with them. < 1346495056 750233 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, that's C++11's initialize list feature < 1346495061 172752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funky. < 1346495064 171022 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*initializer < 1346495093 322156 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :std::initializer_list I think < 1346495098 859087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I see. < 1346495102 809824 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, that was very very annoying < 1346495373 618561 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always admired the DATA statement in basic < 1346495474 217649 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: is the source code of stlisp available somewhere? < 1346496904 197645 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346496931 382467 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1346497605 882445 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: No. < 1346497610 567588 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The source code has gone missing. < 1346497825 227913 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :As I'm not a person who uses backups. < 1346498330 86926 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346499303 872070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You need me on your staff, because I'm a man who thinks." < 1346499358 24556 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-141-159.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346499615 432979 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1346499754 531261 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346499803 817728 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1346499803 984853 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1346499808 424945 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1346499808 591659 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 2h 17m 9s ago: Remarks: You have another memory leak: consider ![...] or $n[...] -- in both, you throw away the block Token with deletetop(), but it doesn't free the Queue data in it; < 1346499808 795975 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet the only pointer to that data is lost. See http://sprunge.us/WiHK < 1346499808 814687 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 2h 1m 41s ago: Remarks: I'm still a bit confused by is_empty not taking a Queue*; the "const Queue q" parameter declaration is especially confusing, since the 'const' can't really do < 1346499808 814848 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything too meaningful; it's passed a new Queue by value, so from the viewpoint of the caller, it couldn't modify it anyway. < 1346499808 814957 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 2h 58s ago: Remarks: In main, printf("Too many arguments.\n", argc); should either lose the "argc", or add a corresponding "%d" in the format. (The '-Wall' gcc flag would've noticed this. < 1346499810 647017 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1346499842 197532 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/guns/comments/z55a3/has_there_been_more_highprofile_gun_crime_lately/c61pen4 < 1346499848 108896 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ladies and gentlemen, /r/guns. < 1346500111 310040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say those things with that many newlines in the middle. < 1346500404 479016 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :So handing out a gun to everyone doesn't work out quite as expected? < 1346500642 197083 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you think I should change is_empty(Queue q) to is_empty(const Queue *q)? < 1346500706 762578 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, there is not really any argument why to use a pointer here; it would be like having something like is_empty(const char **s) to test emptiness of a string < 1346500723 920828 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is_zero(const int *n) < 1346500750 794924 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and how soon before they have a drug where side effects may include rectal ventriliquism. if your asshole starts talking call a doctor.. or get friends over cos it's gonna be a fun night" < 1346502272 466422 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1346502272 673916 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1346502279 784996 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :against my better judgement, i am awake < 1346502283 960472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Just as I was about to go to sleep. :-( < 1346502290 581501 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan ./fueuec '~!~)): [[48 [)):] [~!~)):] ~~) !][49 [~!~)):] [)):] )~]]' 11010011001011010010110011010011001011001... '110' seems a weird start for the thue morse sequence... < 1346502290 746991 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1346502293 659957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you sleep tonight yet? < 1346502298 947228 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346502307 934913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. You just woke up early? < 1346502310 922386 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my alarm went off by accident at 08:00 < 1346502316 537533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing better than I am, then. < 1346502322 983968 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i haven't been able to get back to sleep < 1346502327 254569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish my alarm could just wake me up. That would be great. < 1346502404 903869 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do instead? < 1346502435 554793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it beeps. < 1346502441 226758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Occasionally I wake up. < 1346502563 26453 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can you use an ESSIV for the nonce part of the counter < 1346502566 571041 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that enough? < 1346502606 827013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESSIV is "generate an IV based on the sector number"? < 1346502629 736234 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on the sector number and the hash of the key < 1346502630 594811 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1346502654 794966 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess this is not secure though < 1346502657 811665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's very broken since you can overwrite old blocks. < 1346502660 180025 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1346502673 278874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :x ^ y will give you the xor of the plaintexts. < 1346502675 319704 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you end up reusing the keystream otput from CTR < 1346502677 513775 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the internet should shut down overnight < 1346502718 249969 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas reusing the IV for CBC is not as much of a problem < 1346502723 695993 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still bad < 1346502743 629709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get the property that "someone can see if what you wrote to a block has ever been there before". < 1346502755 18577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is undesirable in normal uses of CBC but maybe doesn't matter in disk encryption. < 1346502776 314316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By the way, I don't see the advantage of thinking of the "nonce part" and the "counter part" of the CTR input, rather than just a "counter that starts at a random value".) < 1346502796 424321 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1346502802 561020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Alternatively, ciphertext_i = ENC(key, iv + i) ^ plaintext_i) < 1346502831 471527 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i tell you i saw a cold boot attack on a spy show on TV? :) < 1346502893 753842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1346502901 67142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that was called a cold boot attack. < 1346502962 246487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I called boot attack < 1346503230 89882 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's a pun < 1346503247 284603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:40 puns aren't worth much. < 1346503268 761709 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant "cold boot" < 1346503283 615017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1346503286 899425 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1346503302 67067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a fictional spy show or a nonfictional spy show? < 1346503303 212856 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i give an informal talk at MIT (a "SIPB cluedump") on how to screw up using cryptography? < 1346503316 625811 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the show is real; it is a work of fiction < 1346503317 292173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1346503317 461079 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1346503322 805764 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the show is Burn Notice < 1346503335 537906 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a fairly ridiculous show but lots of fun to watch < 1346503347 322442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you should come up with a bunch of CTF challenges that get cryptography wrong. < 1346503353 610282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then we can make a #esoteric CTF out of it. < 1346503358 998033 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish i could make nelhage and gdb do that < 1346503359 704547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since Stripe probably won't do it. < 1346503362 910676 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i won't have time < 1346503380 890373 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346503386 144651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph. < 1346503394 460236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do some if you do some! < 1346503404 221622 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's annoying to run a CTF < 1346503406 961573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether making good CTF problems is really hard. < 1346503409 481575 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people try to hack your shit < 1346503441 795321 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see https://blog.gregbrockman.com/2012/08/system-design-stripe-capture-the-flag/ < 1346503446 622116 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why this wasn't on the stripe blog < 1346503464 421214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1346503472 844691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He talked about it at the CTF event. < 1346503490 943001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Sure there is: large structs are conventionally passed as pointers in C, to cut down the amount of necessary copying. (Admittedly a compiler can sometimes optimize. But not without inlining, while still following ABI rules.) < 1346503496 803794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently several of the levels had alternate solutions that they didn't think of. < 1346503516 910106 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346503523 286364 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a queue is a struct made of one int and two pointers < 1346503524 401887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example level 5 was solved by nearly everyone using an unintentional bug, it seems? < 1346503605 114160 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which bug? < 1346503607 526658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Yeah; anything larger than a pointer quite often counts as large. Anyway, it's a convention, doesn't need to make all that much sense. < 1346503623 71954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you were supposed to make a response which consisted entirely of a string matching the regexp < 1346503633 133108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/somethingAUTHORIZEDsomething$/ < 1346503635 811914 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ought to benchmark to figure out whether a pointer or a struct copy would be faster < 1346503638 215177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But $ matches newlines. < 1346503645 448550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that. < 1346503661 855520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway there was an alternate way involving exceptions raise by certain HTTP responses which was actually what they intended. < 1346503667 879248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a bunch of other things that I don't remember. < 1346503667 897738 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just put a file with the contents " AUTHORIZED" on a level2 server, and then had the level5 server talk to itself, talking to the level2 server < 1346503673 118969 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1346503684 384058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I did something similar. < 1346503721 68615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have your email of level ideas? You should @paste it or something and get people to come up with more concrete levels. < 1346503732 805381 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1346503749 266919 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok, I guess I will change it then < 1346503780 999311 :Nisstyre_!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1346503791 13729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Any idea what "nm" stands for on http://nacl.cr.yp.to/box.html ? < 1346503813 511058 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty remarkable that stripe was willing to spend several developer-weeks on this < 1346503834 508617 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1346503845 555670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, of how you might do disk encryption with a stream cipher? < 1346503851 788294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION .zzo38.moed < 1346504001 633149 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about that either < 1346504112 630984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did level5 with a pingback URI of https://level05-2.stripe-ctf.com/user-wiosmyvnoi/?pingback=http://level02-2.stripe-ctf.com:54123 and echo AUTHORIZED | nc -l 54123 so that the error response of [[An unknown error occurred while requesting http://level02-2.stripe-ctf.com:54123/: wrong status line: "AUTHENTICATED"]] from the pingback attempt worked as an acceptable reply. < 1346504124 701539 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, cool < 1346504158 823562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh, that's the way you were supposed to solve it, I think. < 1346504163 204078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/AUTHORIZED/AUTHENTICATED/ but anyhow. < 1346504188 132046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I stumbled over the error message completely accidentally, though.) < 1346504324 725249 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1346504649 244988 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://phantomjs.org/ looks useful < 1346504659 303310 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for testing websites and the like < 1346504667 335567 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel I should make some sort of remark. < 1346504720 12087 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1346505041 311021 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite an interesting idea that the right way to do scraping these days is to instantiate a full headless browser and interrogate it with jQuery < 1346505137 57623 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrugs* < 1346505146 650217 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The modern browser is a VM, not a markup engine. < 1346505156 463285 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's both and a lot more < 1346505191 294661 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i am not surprised by this fact < 1346505211 360401 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am wondering if in particular i should do more scraping this way < 1346505250 47704 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some definite disadvantages as well < 1346505350 559450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you do much scraping? < 1346505355 704487 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that much < 1346505399 597156 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i worked in finance we had a whole team doing scraping :/ < 1346505451 43468 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they wanted to get all the information out of all the different brokerage accounts daily, if not in real-time < 1346505456 732186 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and integrate it into a master risk-management thingy < 1346505517 17896 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and different brokers provide a variably terrible experience in getting this data programmatically < 1346505537 319431 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of them would at least let you download a .csv or .xls file < 1346505586 503818 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :does a programming language with the name "MIX" exist? < 1346505600 522370 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1346505609 935507 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MIX standing for Modular, Interpreted, eXtensible language) < 1346505610 268769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's more of a CPU architecture. < 1346505611 724892 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the fictional CPU architecture invented by Knuth in TAoCP < 1346505622 833775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It certainly doesn't stand for that. < 1346505635 87459 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :labeling your language as "interpreted" is stupid < 1346505639 283090 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if someone writes a compiler for it? < 1346505653 78492 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if that's not a good idea? < 1346505662 112897 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if someone does it anyway < 1346505668 584702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They can't. < 1346505670 348877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in the spec. < 1346505674 806776 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1346505676 10877 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's MMIX you're thinking of, no? < 1346505681 511545 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: that's the new version < 1346505685 701403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: MMIX is the 2009 version of MIX. < 1346505692 561132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually it's 1992 or something.) < 1346505700 478668 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1346505707 491580 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the next version MMMIX. < 1346505710 615504 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :suckless MIX, reinvented, done right, for the modern era < 1346505722 266657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMIX 3000 < 1346505728 354905 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should look up the etymology of MIX, it's amusing < 1346505756 216917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIX is a funny architecture in a lot of ways. < 1346505766 344836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I know very little about it, but most of what I know is strange. < 1346505769 942363 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I need to come up with a better name < 1346505773 931553 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but learning it will make you a REAL MASTER HACKER < 1346505778 865125 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, XIM < 1346505782 314763 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :X.so seems applicable < 1346505804 416049 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless of course someone decides to port it to windows < 1346505809 822237 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it should be called X.dll < 1346505816 289417 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ex-S.O. < 1346505828 578654 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"MIX is a hybrid binarydecimal computer. When programmed in binary, each byte has 6 bits (values range from 0 to 63). In decimal, each byte has 2 decimal digits (values range from 0 to 99). Bytes are grouped into words of five bytes plus a sign. Most programs written for MIX will work in either binary or decimal, so long as they do not try to store a value greater than 63 in a single byte." O.o < 1346505829 448832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's "Standard Oil", right? < 1346505847 21913 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... < 1346505852 891151 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :XIM probably already exists < 1346505861 509797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :exxon = ex-S.O.N.J < 1346505864 659559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude < 1346505866 30502 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does < 1346505872 387959 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the time TAoCP was written, decimal computers were still popular < 1346505875 889953 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but not as a language. < 1346505883 446980 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :XIM = X Input Method < 1346505898 368457 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of the reasons why i question the idea that TAoCP will make you a master hacker < 1346505913 331651 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to just being an extremely hard and pointless exercise that only master hackers can pass < 1346505920 704692 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm just bitter because i gave up on reading it < 1346505934 57294 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a XIM library < 1346505937 107401 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :a XIM company < 1346505955 163948 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :a XIM interpal penapls profile(?) < 1346505955 329217 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, have you tried reading Mac Lane BtW. < 1346505958 912437 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1346505966 646908 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*penpals < 1346505990 370687 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried a while back and elliott said he would but I think he gave up after I said it was too maths to understand < 1346506105 782897 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapples profile < 1346506286 291340 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's important to obtain a pineapple profile before working on pineapple optimisation < 1346506314 95661 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346506730 436620 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346506952 858024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The assembly language for it is commonly called "MIX" too, in case that wasn't mentioned. < 1346506969 568684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I suppose it's not pedantically correct. < 1346507297 300998 :Eladith!~eladith@gzrrplox.kortex.jyu.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1346507472 646761 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-223.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346507483 72070 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-147-122.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1346507818 974152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346509474 591025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott Write a web scraping bot for me that visits stack overflow com dot every day so I am get gold star. < 1346509474 760316 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1346509496 276635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott I mean gold badge. GOLD BADGE = MEANING OF LIFE < 1346509496 519932 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1346509523 972784 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure even i could write that bot with ease, why don't you do it yourself < 1346509590 279006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo 'something something cron syntax curl -b ~/shachaf/cookie-file http://stackoverflow.com/' > something something crontab < 1346509632 176183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm even getting my mock command line syntax wrong. :-( < 1346509636 667312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should go to sleep. < 1346510220 442987 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get frequent flyer points that way, too < 1346510237 367033 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some airlines give you points for checking in at the airport on foursquare or whatever < 1346510763 551674 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you actually have to show your mileage card or how does it work? i never do but i have like a gazillion points < 1346510779 850718 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really even know what those look like. < 1346510790 315949 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for foursquare hax or in general? < 1346510798 604091 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general if applicable < 1346510800 778045 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general you can put in your mileage number when you book flights online < 1346510805 800160 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you don't? < 1346510808 786660 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never done that < 1346510823 61498 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can sometimes claim the points after the flight < 1346510832 478109 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't! why do i have points :D < 1346510836 970804 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i don't know < 1346510841 752367 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1346510842 793368 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you logged into the website when you book < 1346510860 259882 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't book myself, the university travel agency does < 1346510863 878013 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1346510868 421773 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they probably set up an account for you < 1346510869 795475 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they do it < 1346510872 752802 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah perhaps < 1346510879 136920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get any points for conference trips; the university has a rule that all the points go to the university. :/ < 1346510892 145662 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the use of the points? < 1346510904 60048 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should i say... point < 1346510913 541507 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...instead of use < 1346510914 616711 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use them to book free travel and other free things < 1346510925 523478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or discounts for things. < 1346510963 322320 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnair has discount deals with at least some restaurants, we've eaten our points from regular vacationing. < 1346510970 95384 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i do like free points < 1346510971 673567 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1346510975 405436 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :free things i mean < 1346511024 864825 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should check how this works, i do like food so wouldn't want to waste. < 1346511050 267626 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just sounds so incredibly complicated < 1346511055 281645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The points do evaporate (in something like three years or so) if not used. < 1346511060 63911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Physical fact. < 1346511070 46664 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything does < 1346511090 53271 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all evaporate at once right? < 1346511108 60285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just the ones that are old enough. < 1346511118 79837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, one trip's points all go at once. < 1346511124 688812 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1346511165 137118 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i guess that makes sense when the points come in a bunch when you take a trip. the idea of a thousand points with individual ages just seemed a bit silly. < 1346511194 141812 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes there are ways to keep them alive < 1346511201 773119 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like proper nutrition < 1346511234 79993 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to go make sure some stuff doesn't get stolen tonight. < 1346511240 407352 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wish me luck < 1346511240 425856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blugh. Can't sleep. < 1346511243 897381 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the US if you buy one share of stock every day, each share has an individual age and you need to keep track of this for tax purposes < 1346511248 672450 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither, or they won't pay me. < 1346511252 288536 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could have a point half-life and a random process, though, I'm sure physicists would be more interested in the system that way. < 1346511298 763541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like JetBlue's advertisements. < 1346511303 983484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Points Don't Expire*! < 1346511316 870841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Unless you don't use any points for a while. Then they expire. < 1346511317 373130 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps when wormhole travel is invented, points become quantum. < 1346511320 488867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I've seen one of those. < 1346511364 314447 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jetblue points are kind of boring and useless, iirc < 1346511365 938420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnair has this PlusShop where you can buy all this completely random stuff with points. Lamps, bicycles, frying pans. That kind of stuff. < 1346511379 536907 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the traditional airline rewards in the USA are based on miles flown < 1346511382 225154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's just money+points. < 1346511388 722606 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is strange, because pricing is not particularly well correlated to miles flown < 1346511393 512521 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this enables all kinds of hax < 1346511407 797620 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as "mileage runs" which are flights abnormally cheap for how far they go < 1346511412 734747 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are actually worth taking for this purpose < 1346511429 805827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I think Finnair points are just a fixed amount, depending on flight type (domestic, in Europe, intercontinental). < 1346511441 826568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mileage runs are only free if your time is worthless. < 1346511445 145274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Linux. < 1346511450 55821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except they're not free. < 1346511456 508617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also not a lot like Linux. < 1346511462 704492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are JetBlue useless? < 1346511472 461187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Points. < 1346511479 639224 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i know someone who has a high paying job in NYC and does mileage runs all the time < 1346511480 518677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm, apparently there's a bit more variation there than that. But it's not strictly distance, it's some kind of an arbitrary assignment. < 1346511502 267184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How worthwhile do they end up being? < 1346511508 175440 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you like flying, and visiting randomly chosen places for brief periods of time < 1346511517 217943 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you're able to do useful things on a plane, like work or sleep < 1346511527 210685 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it is more worthwhile < 1346511531 299506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true. < 1346511548 602663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though "abnormally cheap given their distance" is a bit of a strange criterion. < 1346511681 492375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Delta is one of the oneworld alliance members, anyway, so I wouldn't be getting points from the next trip. < 1346511684 356309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, is there something I should know about Delta? Are they considered some kind of a bad thing or something? < 1346511712 331073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they're considered a typical mediocre airline? < 1346511720 815207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suits me. < 1346511728 184222 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard that delta miles are unusually worthless < 1346511738 739751 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't mean you shouldn't fly on delta < 1346511770 578975 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to know way too much about all of this, http://www.flyertalk.com < 1346511817 540876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what it is, really, since one of the confirmation mails says Delta, and the other refers to KLM Royal Dutch airlines, pretty much randomly. And one of then even includes Alaska Airlines for a single hop. I suppose they're all kinds of joint-service deals. < 1346511821 322791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's ~/.../travel/* directory has a lot of in it by now. < 1346511826 375059 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1346511841 959759 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande knows a lot about this stuff < 1346511865 308180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of it is about flights, Boston, NYC, NYC<->BOS, etc. < 1346511880 60272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande isn't here, though. < 1346511895 522413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You seem to end up in actual conversations about these things in channels I'm in. < 1346511898 469569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I notice. < 1346513485 336981 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346513493 887512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1346513972 466732 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1346514187 446614 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346514205 515452 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basketball tactics are ridiculous < 1346514229 592459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just observed: a player managing to gain a large advantage by managing to avoid being fouled for 7 seconds, while the other team were trying to commit a foul against them < 1346514353 823710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the tactic used was basically to run away) < 1346514557 326022 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1346514614 845559 :Braber01!44bc6322@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.188.99.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346514700 636837 :Braber01!44bc6322@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.188.99.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PATH, Brainfuck and deritivies of brainfuck all use ascii values to print letters correct? < 1346514964 482343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braber01: ASCII is the most common interpretation < 1346514976 209631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not matching ASCII for the range 0-127 would be incompatible with pretty much everything < 1346514984 135090 :Braber01!44bc6322@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.188.99.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Just wanted to make sure < 1346514987 726934 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond that, it's unclear whether programs are meant to print single bytes or Unicode < 1346514994 345801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(single bytes is a lot more common) < 1346515163 979629 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, well, it's a bit of a toss-up between 1 and 31. < 1346515204 177361 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody ever uses any of those characters except for 10 and 04. < 1346515241 451171 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 11 and 27 I guess. < 1346515273 2834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tabs do get some use. < 1346515305 198258 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes fizzie hence the 11. < 1346515317 590708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a vertical tab. < 1346515325 144809 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Those* aren't used much. < 1346515333 544419 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :09, ops < 1346515334 546932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The horizontal one is 9. < 1346515362 538686 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :13s are around on other systems. < 1346515378 545578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in HTTP, and around. < 1346515473 264774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess a few 7s to annoy people, and Usenet has a kinda-convention to put 12s before spoilers, though I suppose that might be prety dead at this point. < 1346515568 972070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only HTTP; many internet protocols use CRLF line endings (HTTP, IRC, SMTP, gopher, etc) < 1346515584 354496 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I prefer that to the modern spoiler formats. < 1346515625 769214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CRLF is also use as line endings on DOS and on Windows, and CRLF is the printable line endings < 1346515684 333738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has the drawback that people who don't want to see the spoiler have to stop reading, since there's no "end spoler" convention. ROT-13 works better in that regard. < 1346515738 118569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually there is another way: Post the spoiler in another message with "SPOILER" title. < 1346515905 997220 :Braber01!44bc6322@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.188.99.34 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1346516509 284033 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89445.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1346517853 590492 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.41.216 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346518169 171419 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you know about HTTP Strict Transport Security? < 1346518172 849370 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned about this yesterday < 1346519516 404770 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346519534 419971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1346519536 257076 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1346519691 220775 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346519742 98797 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1346519742 260855 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1346519814 295671 :tswett_!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1346519860 475491 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net NICK :14WAACEG2 < 1346519860 493989 :atriq!~Taneb@78.146.170.75 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346519860 534149 :atriq!~Taneb@78.146.170.75 QUIT :Client Quit < 1346519860 693591 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346520231 486797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you please review the RogueVM document again? Since, I added a lot of things. Please tell me if I missed anything important. < 1346520245 552500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if anything is unclear. < 1346520245 718340 :14WAACEG2!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did my nick change? < 1346520247 376689 :14WAACEG2!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaa < 1346520251 288018 :14WAACEG2!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net NICK :atriq < 1346520262 927151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you change your nick? I don't know why. < 1346520286 148181 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't paying attention < 1346520288 733418 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't try to < 1346520294 843006 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I did < 1346520318 399619 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, nick-changing ghost. < 1346520331 564860 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard of that. < 1346520336 388205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't that on freenode change to GuestNNNNN or something. < 1346520352 156097 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes in old abandoned theatres when people login to IRC their nicks change < 1346520409 472945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks more like the server-imposed nick-collision avoidance thing that is sometimes done. Isn't 14WAACEG2 an otherwise illegal nick? < 1346520445 309008 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't self change nick to something that starts with a number. < 1346520446 139499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does look like otherwise illegal if it start with a digit. < 1346520454 331041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: From here, it looked like: < 1346520454 661456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:17 -!- atriq is now known as 14WAACEG2 < 1346520454 680119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:17 -!- atriq [~Taneb@78.146.170.75] has joined #esoteric < 1346520454 680293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:17 -!- atriq [~Taneb@78.146.170.75] has quit [Client Quit] < 1346520463 858439 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How odd < 1346520470 662367 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats an l not a 1 < 1346520481 584501 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not an l. < 1346520501 33409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to play a BBS door game "Franchise Basketball" but there are no free agents! < 1346520501 872783 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1346520589 790564 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose some kind of a freenode hiccup, two servers both accepting a connection (perhaps your client reconnecting or something) and then getting confuzzled when they both had a user with the same nickname. That kind of thing used to happen a whole lot in IRCnet during netsplits; it was a common way of "taking over" a channel, by killing everyone on it with an intentional nick collision. < 1346520612 847465 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey atriq < 1346520613 385470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Old IRCnet rule for nick collisions was to drop both users; and there are no services like ChanServ there.) < 1346520617 146072 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1346520660 817712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing that could do to avoid taking over a channel would be to use channel types which cannot be taken over in this way: !&+ (anything other than # type) < 1346520695 140029 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I think there are no more problems with my C interpreter < 1346520739 829141 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brillian! < 1346520740 665033 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1346520770 398304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, !channels weren't available at that time, &channels are local, and +channels don't support operators at all. (The latter could be considered an advantage by some, of course.) < 1346520795 233384 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about your haskell one? < 1346520802 90749 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much working < 1346520813 76744 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit slow, but I think that's a problem with Fueue < 1346520876 84894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes. Since & are local they cannot be overtaken by other servers, and since + are no operators they also cannot be overtaken. < 1346520902 464685 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, my ocaml interpreter appears to be much slower than the C one < 1346520909 870201 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's because of using recursivity < 1346520999 769077 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How quick is your C one, running oerjan's Thue-Morse sequence program? < 1346521146 361693 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weeeeeeell okay maybe not so fast < 1346521175 498050 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it takes about five seconds to cover my entire screen with 0s and 1s < 1346521188 793317 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I'm not sure it's the correct thue-morse sequence < 1346521201 376728 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that's quicker than my Haskell program < 1346521238 983079 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe 7 seconds actually) < 1346521411 670846 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-41.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1346521531 652016 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so stupid that desktop mice are wireless by default < 1346521561 2826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer is wired. < 1346521581 937633 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mouse never leaves my desk; why should I deal with batteries, wireless interference, multiple parts i can lose, etc. < 1346521600 836937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should buy the wired one instead, then! < 1346521612 727373 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did :) < 1346521620 618577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1346521751 549490 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but selection is limited < 1346521781 64209 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wired mice are mostly either very cheap and crappy, or are expensive, designed for gamers, and completely ridiculous < 1346521817 329688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer a three button wired mouse without wheel < 1346521868 724440 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why no wheel? < 1346521915 555929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that the wheel will not turn and make it difficult to use the mouse. < 1346522047 216011 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346522539 374102 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346522545 120370 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've not had that problem < 1346522589 936023 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised not to find a functional version of brainfuck on the wiki < 1346522597 802567 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with all the derivatives it has < 1346522603 537640 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346522766 845761 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1346523140 746470 :nortti_!~logibotti@62-183-153-2.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346524118 716702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the backgammon on X-BIT is computer player is not very good, because they are in jail a lot. < 1346524279 547072 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have won 24 out of 33. The system operator has played 6 times and lost all of them. < 1346524300 717638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody else has played this game. < 1346524338 61732 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is jail a backgammon term? < 1346524388 882325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, basically it means they are placed off the board at your home and must re-enter the board before making any other moves. < 1346524447 435293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This backgammon game does not implement doubling cube, but the person who showed me how to play backgammon didn't know how to use it either (I later read a book and learned how it is used). < 1346524613 1146 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1346524631 763172 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1346524636 719353 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1346524958 140347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this? Please select Your Language: [ 0] LANGUAGE [No Description Available] [ 1] LARGE [No Description Available] < 1346525392 163162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1346525418 233347 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a menu < 1346525446 796135 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like it presents two options [0] language [1] large < 1346525461 528706 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but I don't know what those options mean. < 1346525469 729936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried both and neither of them seem to work. < 1346525523 914892 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try playing Backgammon < 1346525535 149240 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have expected [ 0] Australian English [ 1] British English [ 2] American English [ 3] Italian [ 4] French [ 5] Chiense < 1346525558 904422 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^[ 5] Chinese < 1346525566 942561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit my sandal broke < 1346525567 145564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1346525571 168445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1346525571 335679 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen said 6h 28m 1s ago: ./fueuec '~!~)): [[48 [)):] [~!~)):] ~~) !][49 [~!~)):] [)):] )~]]' 11010011001011010010110011010011001011001... '110' seems a weird start for the thue morse sequence... < 1346525591 622224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: um you forgot the initial 48 < 1346525601 173549 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1346525621 129083 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what initial 48? < 1346525629 906609 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just copied the code from the wiki page :) < 1346525633 71062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1346525684 789434 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/30/Backgammon_lg.jpg < 1346525688 945896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT *COUGH* < 1346525690 856666 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what's going on < 1346525714 783162 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably this code '~!~)): [[48 [)):] [~!~)):] ~~) !][49 [~!~)):] [)):] )~]]' < 1346525737 868686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but there's a 48 at the beginning *cough* < 1346525758 680055 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: nothing's going on, it's the start position < 1346525787 844059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is the start position. Sometimes both players share the same dice but in this set the player have their own dice. < 1346525794 318161 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blacks move counterclockwise, while whites move clockwise < 1346525824 464817 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having your own dice probably makes cheating easier < 1346525826 523736 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: players almost always have their own dice, except in travel sets or sets that are smaller for whatever reason < 1346525891 321168 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'll try to be less cynical < 1346525900 812763 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so for instance, if you roll a 5 and a 1, you can move one pawn by 5; then one by 1 (or the opposite) < 1346525906 88416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pieces could be black and red, or other colors, instead of black and white. < 1346525925 401769 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except they can't be the same color < 1346525929 860879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, whatever number you roll you move a piece that many spaces. It must land on your own pieces, an empty space, or a space containing exactly one opponent's piece. < 1346525941 761621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can play in either order. If you roll double, you make four moves instead of two. < 1346525948 197895 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reading the Wikipedia page < 1346525963 980354 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a month ago I learned a russian variant < 1346525976 856527 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically the same except you start with ALL your pawns on the same file < 1346525980 719942 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you cannot capture < 1346525983 874537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you land on an opponent's piece then the opponent's piece goes to jail; it is usually placed on the bar in between the half of the board in order to indicate this. < 1346526012 808140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If all of your pieces are in your home, then you can move pieces off of the board. You still need the number to move off of the board, though. < 1346526026 241182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If all of your pieces are off the board and not in jail, you win. < 1346526049 199766 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you win first leg < 1346526062 389010 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it would be interesting to have a dice with a "roll twice" face < 1346526087 641644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are in jail, then you must move from the opponent's off the board into your opponent's home and cannot make any other moves until you are not in jail. < 1346526094 928144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can pass if you have no legal moves; otherwise you must move. < 1346526119 31494 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1346526200 603053 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another feature of the game (not always used) is doubling cube. You can offer to double the bet and if your opponent accepts, the game continues and however wins earns double points. If your opponent declines, then he loses the game instantly. < 1346526212 575579 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean "not always used"? :( < 1346526261 304442 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean sometimes backgammon is played without the doubling cube rule, such as if you are not counting the score. Usually doubling cube rule is used, though. < 1346526279 214602 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Backgammon has an established opening theory, although it is less detailed than that of games like chess." < 1346526290 886042 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That kind of annoys me < 1346526297 201159 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I don't like opening theory < 1346526362 409858 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one way to think about games is to see them as falling into 2 categories, win or not-win < 1346526387 358221 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really horrible choice there < 1346526412 201640 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you really don't need to study opening theory to start playing backgammon < 1346526412 366551 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1346526432 570578 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you want to progress, i don't think the opening is the best thing to study < 1346526492 828975 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing games have in common is that after the player-decisions and rules and random elements have all been processed, the final result is win, lose, or draw < 1346526511 65921 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except not all games < 1346526530 606970 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am interested in games where the final resuilt isn't win, lose or draw < 1346526535 109871 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes there is also the score. < 1346526541 703571 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346526555 974861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other times both players can win, or both lose, or something else, too. < 1346526564 933426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on the game. < 1346526592 279131 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah i am new to the reality of it < 1346526682 217708 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in go tournaments in europe, if there is a dispute and both players are showing bad faith, the referee can decide to have them both loose < 1346526713 746822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any tournament it is possible for both sides to be disqualified, I think. < 1346526726 904950 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is rare that the outcome of a game actually affects someones life < 1346526769 847709 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is Washizu Mahjong then you will win/lose millions of yen and also your blood. < 1346526792 772524 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1346526794 477979 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: they are not disqualified, they just lose one game < 1346526819 577627 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok so i am wrong 2 out of 2 of my claims so far! < 1346526844 268507 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1346526853 606557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: O, they are not disqualified. I thought it was. < 1346526879 655660 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, that being said, in real casinos if you will millions can you just walk out unhassled? < 1346526921 273134 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you need some kind of threat if they don't pay up? < 1346526979 961204 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can sort of imagine that its a bit like insurance companies which make their money by not paying out < 1346526998 188065 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, I think you can be disqualified for a few other reasons, such as making a deal with your opponent or stuff like that < 1346527045 161572 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those kind of things happen a lot more with chess tournaments < 1346527072 738138 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i have no idea since i have never gambled > $100 :P < 1346527113 764964 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never gambled > $100 either. Nor have I ever gambled at all in a casino, and I do not intend to. < 1346527148 687160 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i only played blackjack a few times in melbourne < 1346527163 220535 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they tell you to go away? < 1346527171 430744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The casino owners are always allowed to tell you to go away. < 1346527177 282316 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1346527190 444303 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"then I was thrown out because I knew how to play" < 1346527191 556509 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i guess i was looking sober at that time < 1346527217 929009 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no i wasnt thrown out... it was more because my friend was a gambler type who loved to throw his money away < 1346527235 991869 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346527237 940490 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow some people get satisfied by emptying their pockets < 1346527250 542621 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it makes them feel sick to save money < 1346527265 631093 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i don't think that's quite right" < 1346527275 953179 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you save money up and you still have some at the moment you die, then you could say it's wasted < 1346527288 776417 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps some of these people exist, but i don't think it describes the typical non-pathological gambler < 1346527317 470586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1346527321 269519 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well.. its not really casino gambling, more the poker machines < 1346527335 415782 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"poker" machines are basically slots right? < 1346527341 31208 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1346527347 292387 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pokies or slot machines < 1346527350 127404 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poker machines are like slot machines except you can select which cards to discard. < 1346527370 564027 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm well... in australia for some reaosn they call slot machines poies < 1346527373 12362 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pokies < 1346527388 525826 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'That's an odd name. I'd have called them "chazzwazzers".' < 1346527437 513981 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can play slot machines more or less anywhere in australia < 1346527459 200534 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you poke coins into them, duh < 1346527489 671316 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know if thats typical < 1346527502 173732 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've... never seen a slot machine. < 1346527523 631256 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some parts of the USA they have slot machines in gas stations and airports and such < 1346527528 285723 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevada, and indian reservations < 1346527537 658616 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So can you max out your luck stat and make a killing on the slot machines like in New Vegas. < 1346527540 386501 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. they have them everywhere here... and also brothels < 1346527566 457614 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what else can you expect from convicts < 1346527600 262443 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when i say everywhere i don't mean literally everywhere < 1346527620 334081 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but mostly if you can go there to drink < 1346527659 753626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We "always" have slot machines in gas stations, it's kind of a staple. Those, and quite a few bars. < 1346527672 533312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also the Pajatso thing. < 1346527677 495101 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1346527688 982589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Payazzo (or pajatso) is a traditional Finnish gambling arcade game, dating back to the 1920s, when it was introduced into Finland from Germany. The object of payazzo is to flick a coin into one of the winning slots. When the attempt is successful, the machine rewards the player with a couple of coins. If the attempt is unsuccessful, the player loses the flicked coin." < 1346527700 664506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I have read about that on Wikipedia. < 1346527713 371976 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some similarity to pachinko. < 1346527748 284870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.suomenpeliautomaattihistoriallinenseura.fi/pics/timo/50pjasso.jpg -- that's the one from the 70s, I've seen those. < 1346527774 84819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also very little similarity to a pinball machine. < 1346527779 464013 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they're everywhere < 1346527798 607587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pachinko is more similarity to pinball than pajatso is, though. < 1346527800 192759 :tswett_!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :tswett < 1346527807 71586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think there's a ball? < 1346527812 698573 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346527813 736330 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there is a ball. < 1346527829 748880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finnish gambling monopoly company has a web version of the game; you drag a finger, and then release, and it flicks the coin and animates something that looks a bit like physics. < 1346527836 755568 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reasonably sure the output is randomized, though. < 1346527844 643648 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1346527851 310336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it would be pretty trivial to move mouse in an exactly identical way. < 1346527872 419591 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I'm very sad to declare this but I just created a brainfuck derivative (on the plus side, it's functional instead of imperative) < 1346527886 773898 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably pretty different from brainfuck then < 1346527890 619718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Duck, I'm sure there's a brick coming. < 1346527896 493482 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean that you're reasonably sure that an online gambling system does not allow the client software to control the outcome? :P :P < 1346527961 776614 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/jEhM < 1346527968 978542 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how they pull that off < 1346528008 409214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shuffle a standard deck of cards and deal thirty cards in six rows of five, the first row face up and the rest face down. You can turn over a face-down card from any row or leave all the cards alone. If you turn over a card, you can look at it and must continue so that the total number of cards turned is the number of the row (1 for the first face-down row, 2 for the second face-down row, all 5 for the last row). < 1346528047 817567 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may turn cards from only one row; not from multiple rows. After doing so, cards from the initially face-up row in the same column as turned cards are turned face-down. Scoring is then as in video poker. < 1346528095 91751 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Is there some kind of a theoretical reason why not just assign individual numbers in the order of the (s that start the particular function. < 1346528100 85800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assume that the player has X-ray vision and can see all the cards even before they are turned. Further assume that there are no taxes, service charges, or comp bonuses. What is the probability of winning? < 1346528122 218210 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much money can the player expect to win or lose on average? < 1346528151 257592 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well I don't like the idea that a function's number depends on the numbers of functions which it cannot call < 1346528183 28881 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm ok I think I have an idea < 1346528195 779386 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would it be if the player did not have X-ray vision? < 1346528243 433893 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what about (1) (2) ((6)(7)3) (4) (((8)6)(7)5) main < 1346528259 655024 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a function number is "the smallest available number" < 1346528366 907384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm personally okay with that, but then again I would've been okay with just consecutive unique numbers too. < 1346528374 214057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell atriq A bit slow, but I think that's a problem with Fueue <-- I think programs like my thue-morse program could be sped up a lot if you kept track of long subsequences of non-triggering elements (e.g. blocks) < 1346528374 380724 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1346528403 234057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell atriq So that you could skip around the parts of the queue that are presently doing nothing < 1346528403 448211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1346528405 22627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Not related, but was your latest fueue.c around? < 1346528421 53316 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1346528474 831859 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/ENEA < 1346528613 943115 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I did not fix the too many arguments thing < 1346528824 478734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, one other remark I was thinking about were the // comments. They're legal C99 (and GNU Canything), but many folks still advocate being compatible with C90/C89, at least if not making use of any of the more substantial C99 features. < 1346528863 55771 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they're legal in MSVC too, even though they refuse to implement all of C99 < 1346528866 5590 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure though < 1346528874 893786 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should just write C code which can also be compiled as C++ ;) < 1346528890 473621 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-223.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a nicer policy. < 1346528895 549514 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-223.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't support broken C compilers. < 1346528895 753060 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all C code is valid C < 1346528897 867033 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-223.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSVC is broken. < 1346528898 740454 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the // comments are not legal in C89?? < 1346528899 447647 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all C code is valid C++* < 1346528903 277480 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-223.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Nope. < 1346528906 851009 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: correct < 1346528907 185837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: No, only /* comments */ are. < 1346528916 88512 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-223.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Much valid C code is not valid C++ code. < 1346528916 756391 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, I wasn't aware of that < 1346528945 287701 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's been lied to once more! < 1346528981 758131 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-223.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No implicit casts from void* basically jacks up idiomatic C. < 1346528987 752594 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost all compilers support // comments, though < 1346528993 748078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fueue.c code seems to be mostly valid C++, except for four instances of relying on the implicit conversion of void* to Token*. < 1346528995 87469 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ime < 1346529072 265049 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, and /* */ comments cannot be nested < 1346529081 731306 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, C code that uses new or delete as a name for something won't be valid C++ < 1346529091 229826 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people aren't always clear when talking about "what's in C" versus "what's supported by my C compiler" < 1346529094 642605 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: yeah < 1346529106 816863 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You didn't know that? < 1346529108 696838 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nestable multi-line comments are somewhat rare < 1346529119 401530 :hagb4rd!~perdito@p5797220A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346529124 561504 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think any of the languages which use /* comments */ support nesting < 1346529127 469151 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(correct me if wrong) < 1346529137 996947 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell, ocaml, and lua do < 1346529148 409536 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I may have known it a few years ago but somehow it wasn't flag as "relevant" by my brain < 1346529153 982060 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, lua doesn't < 1346529187 759960 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however I certainly did not know that // was not C89 < 1346529190 49566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: clang from llvm 3.0 with -Weverything has four things to say (ignoring the printf argument thing), and they're all fairly minor: 1) the 'break;' after 'return;' for H is unreachable; 2) and 3) it's going to add padding to your structures; 4) 'error_empty' could be declared with 'noreturn'. < 1346529190 382734 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a subtle difference between the way comments work in haskell and ocaml < 1346529205 676008 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{- " -} is a valid Haskell comment but (* " *) is not a valid ocaml comment < 1346529227 758749 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(* "*)" *) is a valid ocaml comment but {- "-}" -} is not a valid Haskell comment < 1346529254 948498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> {- "-"} -} "ok" < 1346529255 820321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ok" < 1346529262 228286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1346529268 72009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> {- "-}" -} "ok" < 1346529269 74238 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : < 1346529269 242551 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at end o... < 1346529280 704655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> {- " -} "ok" < 1346529281 705253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ok" < 1346529287 785956 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: and the reference manual lists (*) as the multiplication function, but (*) actually starts a comment < 1346529290 324885 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "{- Test -}" < 1346529291 195370 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "{- Test -}" < 1346529298 755346 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it does? < 1346529303 559078 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1346529307 172365 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1346529315 984192 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (*) 2 3 < 1346529317 19423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6 < 1346529328 512012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: in ocaml < 1346529333 598385 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :IAh < 1346529344 803058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just {-3} < 1346529345 636086 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : unterminated `{-' < 1346529350 325671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just { -3 } < 1346529351 234355 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `-' < 1346529353 445198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1346529375 290887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess record notation cannot start with - inside < 1346529386 636901 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just { (-3) } < 1346529387 541904 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : parse error on input `3' < 1346529397 365719 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well apparently http://caml.inria.fr/pub/docs/manual-ocaml-4.00/libref/Pervasives.html lists it as ( * ), but my pdf version lists it as (*) < 1346529397 698852 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do {-3 <- return -3; return True} < 1346529398 699592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : unterminated `{-' < 1346529401 989731 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do { -3 <- return -3; return True} < 1346529403 24198 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> GHC.Bool.Bool) < 1346529403 192254 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising fro... < 1346529430 414349 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you lambdabot, die in a hole < 1346529445 159231 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> takeWhere (< 3) [1..] < 1346529446 31850 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `takeWhere' < 1346529449 647234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd imagine you don't actually want return -3 < 1346529452 230186 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I will remove the useless break; (which is a remainder of the halts variable), but I'm not sure what you mean with 2) and 3) < 1346529453 642053 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> takeWhile (< 3) [1..] < 1346529454 641144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2] < 1346529455 641427 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole "haha j/k not actually standard haskell" thing has gone from amusing to fucking obnoxious < 1346529495 61436 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot is doing irreparable harm to people attempting to learn Haskell < 1346529497 139205 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> takeWhile (<3) "I love you" < 1346529498 19539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num GHC.Types.Char) < 1346529498 182734 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the literal `3... < 1346529514 426125 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's as if the experts are playing an inside joke on the beginners < 1346529517 552152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Well, it means just what it says: the compiler is going to add some padding there. Such is life. < 1346529524 20659 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :making lambdabot confusing for their own idle amusement < 1346529526 509351 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1346529555 426572 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> takeWhile (<3) $ read "I love you" :: Integer < 1346529556 513262 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Integer.Type.Integer' < 1346529556 531775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inf... < 1346529579 969036 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Technically, you can rearrange members to make it more unlikely, but all the padding is platform-specific. And of course the padding doesn't hurt, except for possibly (probably not, in this case) making the structure objects slightly bigger than they could be. < 1346529583 466005 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: as in "(pad something out) lengthen a speech or piece of writing with unnecessary material."? < 1346529597 752005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: As in, put some empty space in-between the members. < 1346529613 950667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: "padding struct 'struct Queue' with 4 bytes to align 'top'" and "padding struct 'struct Token' with 7 bytes to align 'block'". < 1346529618 557326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: you're not using unions, so all discussion of optimal padding is moot :) < 1346529626 260678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is also true. < 1346529629 400403 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's what I was thinking oerjan < 1346529634 766948 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I use unions? < 1346529648 128120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be a reasonable thing to do. < 1346529651 663640 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1346529652 498005 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> takeWhile (<3) $ [ read "I love you" :: Integer ] < 1346529653 596040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.read: no parse < 1346529667 601295 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> takeWhile (<3) $ [ read "123" :: Integer ] < 1346529668 601274 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] < 1346529677 466403 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int x[] = {-1}; int main() { printf("Hello, C!\n"); } /* -}(); main = putStrLn "Hello, Haskell!" -- */ < 1346529696 471921 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that < 1346529704 155211 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346529704 356998 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code that's both valid C and Haskell < 1346529706 857993 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346529707 526936 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you just write that < 1346529717 844926 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just now, a while ago < 1346529725 571622 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, the main() doesn't have a return statement! < 1346529729 184569 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net NICK :atriq < 1346529737 101696 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's not quite "valid C" in this condensed one-line form < 1346529740 115584 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-223.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Not mandatory. < 1346529749 620529 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you can make it into a totally valid C program that does anything you want < 1346529750 323247 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-223.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: In C99, there's an implicit return 0; at the end of main. < 1346529756 68818 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: really? huh. < 1346529770 582479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: C11 (and, again, GNU C earlier) adds the "anonymous union" feature, which would let you put in union { int val; char fun; Queue block; }; -- without a name -- as a member of struct Token, and then in Token t refer to the field as simply t.val, t.fun or t.block. But I wouldn't really recommend that. < 1346529782 565070 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I wrote one that's C, Haskell, Python, POSIX shell, Brainfuck, and DOS .COM program < 1346529786 885620 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :others here have done even more < 1346529830 264028 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In K&R C, I have no idea what's going on < 1346529830 471083 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1346529834 220178 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1346529834 386928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 24m 20s ago: A bit slow, but I think that's a problem with Fueue <-- I think programs like my thue-morse program could be sped up a lot if you kept track of long subsequences of < 1346529834 589499 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-triggering elements (e.g. blocks) < 1346529834 608247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 23m 51s ago: So that you could skip around the parts of the queue that are presently doing nothing < 1346529849 422037 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1346529854 440960 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1346529854 608944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages. < 1346529855 779280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: On the other hand, C99 also makes all those "main() { blah; }" programs, that used to be invalid due to missing return, instead invalid due to deprecating the "implicit int" feature. < 1346529857 864785 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net NICK :Ngevd < 1346529864 777401 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1346529864 943890 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages. < 1346529867 434501 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net NICK :atriq < 1346529881 826170 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implicit int made for some interesting stuff < 1346529963 427375 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc will also warn that the function 'int' has non-exhaustive patterns and isn't used < 1346529967 8910 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can fix these things as well < 1346529968 981580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"auto mobile;" is no longer a valid int variable. :/ < 1346529982 754855 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"auto fellatio;" < 1346530038 841818 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :auto mobile = 0; would be valid C++11 < 1346530058 22609 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe make it auto mobile =0; and pretend =0 is a duck < 1346530076 177004 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1346530201 786507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it walks like a duck it might be an automobile < 1346530223 62949 :augur_!~augur@206.196.187.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346530227 175142 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so now it's all gonna be q->top->val->fun? < 1346530265 857068 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds unreasonably too much arrow populated (uh, maybe the last arrow was supposed to be a dot, but still) < 1346530302 111005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad trombone < 1346530387 274723 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1346530395 910133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :q->top->u.fun < 1346530409 688129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea whether that's good practice < 1346530467 664859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I've seen one-letter union names in that context. < 1346530478 274124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I would've put in "d" as in data. < 1346530479 684585 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just used search and replace to correct everything and I'm pretty sure that's a very bad thing to do < 1346530501 961479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: TSK TSK TSK < 1346530523 429355 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc doesn't seem to mind, though < 1346530554 793963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the bright side, it'll still be much less verbose than java. < 1346530575 342275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Did you notice my anonymous-union comment? It's meant exactly to reduce the dottiness. < 1346530586 742897 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unions considered harmful < 1346530596 740853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: FILTHY CAPITALIST < 1346530606 733198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :union jack; < 1346530624 240291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, missing a name there. < 1346530626 579179 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I did, but you also said you would perhaps not recommand it < 1346530626 950307 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the united states of america would never stand for that < 1346530639 805174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Right, just checking. < 1346530651 546560 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was tempting though) < 1346530698 416658 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaand )$2[)$--------2~)~~[)[)~(~[~[$~H~]~)%+~91-):]~1+:])]]~[$~H~])%+-91)[65][65] is a cat < 1346530715 188799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that may not be entirely correct. < 1346530793 592012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You can add macros, but that's probably even worse. There's quite a few headers that do stuff like http://sprunge.us/FRJL < 1346530833 65650 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what, you don't believe me? http://pastebin.com/0UGHnVdY < 1346530856 535568 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is that corean C? < 1346530868 540306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The macro is there so that you can have struct in6_addr x; f(x.s6_addr); and have that expand to struct in6_addr x; f(x.__in6_u.__u6_addr8); but of course the macro will expand the token "s6_addr" absolutely anywhere, not just when it's being used to access a member. < 1346530880 934484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're counting on nobody having any other 's6_addr's except as a member. < 1346530883 274792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: shocking < 1346530897 853592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a #define val u.val is kind of horreeble. < 1346530899 935021 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :korean C? < 1346530921 437412 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right korea has a k in english < 1346530935 794196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those darn core people < 1346530951 719262 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, what's your native language? < 1346530956 890102 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :french < 1346530963 299973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: LEARN TO SPELL YOUR COUNTRY CONSISTENTLY < 1346530974 647473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'M SURE IT'S YOUR FAULT < 1346531005 428957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklo: ALSO WHY THE SHORT NICK IT'S AGAINST NATURE I TELL YA < 1346531009 401514 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it called 한국 < 1346531047 107161 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, the lower part of 한 looks way more like a C than a K < 1346531108 585172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly that is why. < 1346531141 451947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although istr the korean alphabet puts the letters top down in the characters < 1346531191 485588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :한 is a dude in a hat using a computer with a wall-mounted monitor, right? < 1346531218 215970 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Korea. Only culture that would have a letter for that. < 1346531243 883343 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then use it in their own name. < 1346531282 913875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just to clarify what i meant, iiuc 한 is three letters. < 1346531378 785993 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/Hangeul.svg < 1346531386 222979 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading them counterclockwise sounds like koc < 1346531399 799860 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that would be kocea afterall < 1346531412 471508 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1346531420 799627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, the letters being "dude in a hat", "using a keyboard/mouse", and "wall-mounted monitor". It's nice that they can combine them like that. < 1346531463 709488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swatteth fizzie -----### < 1346531841 571547 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1346532162 505438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: oh did you fix the bugs with introducing union? i think i realized what happened at that 2-3 line change < 1346532176 725447 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1346532190 406621 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there's something wrong with : and $ < 1346532206 318514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you paste the current code? < 1346532217 280431 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was pushfun and pushnum which had a problem, but they work fine when parsing the program at the beginning < 1346532218 281460 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346532290 657234 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/SdeJ?c < 1346532364 754559 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::[+ 2 3])) gives ))[ 0 0][+ 2 3] < 1346532372 13861 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346532466 929051 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "dude in a hat" symbol looks like Terezi's symbol upside-down < 1346532489 521798 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a while, everything is Homestuck. < 1346532494 762341 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help me. < 1346532518 465564 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, now that i'm using unions the "initToken" function doesn't make any sense any longer < 1346532533 141106 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it shouldn't be harmful either anyway < 1346532535 290244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor copyToken < 1346532552 93392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i think may be the main culprit < 1346532570 177613 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, of course < 1346532575 412429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :delete lines 483-484, replace 492-494 with something branching on the what < 1346532605 586168 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.151.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346532747 681546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the rest of the places with val in look ok < 1346532748 387603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's legal to just assign the union. < 1346532774 162142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes. but you need to do the special copying for blocks < 1346532796 714595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Disclaimer: didn't look at code. < 1346532808 72626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: so you could just have one case for blocks and another for the rest (which can just copy the whole union) < 1346532839 702211 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1346532989 428338 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it works < 1346532994 710029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1346533059 406996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION returns to iwc < 1346533059 464738 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least it prints the alphabet < 1346533091 909560 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the international whaling commission? < 1346533099 840137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.irregularwebcomic.net/ < 1346533162 574857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The irregular whaling commission sounds alarming. < 1346533229 477998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suggest you bring it up with the international webcomic < 1346533327 993586 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to abscond and... < 1346533334 400304 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the opposite of absconding? < 1346533336 976273 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insconding? < 1346533340 10735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn abscond < 1346533340 880645 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "abscond" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1346533341 94433 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :abscond < 1346533341 121322 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : v 1: run away; usually includes taking something or somebody < 1346533341 121502 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : along; "The thief made off with our silver"; "the < 1346533341 121607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : accountant absconded with the cash from the safe" [syn: < 1346533342 822348 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : {abscond}, {bolt}, {absquatulate}, {decamp}, {run off}, {go < 1346533344 927435 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : off}, {make off}] < 1346533349 213772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :intrude? < 1346533371 413927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1346533401 148497 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :runinto < 1346533416 487806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no antonyms < 1346533431 475348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ wn abscond -antsv < 1346533431 502405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antonyms of verb abscond < 1346533436 325407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[emptiness] < 1346533440 862683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How rude. < 1346533446 434288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we shall absquatulate forthwith < 1346533466 769532 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it'd be incond < 1346533481 714917 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have decided to play Backgammon < 1346533499 333948 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck! < 1346533501 377108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure the s isn't part of the preposition < 1346533527 333016 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :endocond < 1346533527 869480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :adscond maybe < 1346533546 174352 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "Etymology: < Middle French, French abscondre to hide oneself (1180 in Old French, used reflexively), to hide, conceal (a thing) (1308) or its etymon classical Latin abscondere to hide, conceal, to bury, immerse, to engulf, to keep secret < abs- (see ab- prefix) + condere to put together, to stow (see condite adj.2)." < 1346533561 624135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, < abs- (see ab- prefix) + condere. < 1346533621 937503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1346533644 952109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They say it's not from "sconding" anything. < 1346533665 969471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess ab- is just weird. :( < 1346533675 889737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sometimes it turns into just a-) < 1346533706 795682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ab-#Latin indeed < 1346533721 517425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In classical Latin, ab- became ā- before p- , b- , m- , and v- (compare e.g. āvertere to turn away: see avert v.), and alternated with au- before f- (compare e.g. auferre to carry away: see ablate v.; compare aufer v.), and with abs- before c- , q- , and t- (compare e.g. abscondere to put away, conceal: see abscond v.)." (OED) < 1346533763 586212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then it continues quite a lot.) < 1346533853 465093 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, to make my Fueue implementation more speedy < 1346533867 991381 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have added another constructor to the FueueItem datatype < 1346533877 151549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1346533882 946830 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FCache :: Seq FueueItem -> FueueItem < 1346533893 689097 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really just groping in the dark. < 1346533912 274015 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I'm not using that format for defining constructors < 1346533920 180592 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just FCache (Seq FueueItem) < 1346533927 435811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1346533965 164332 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is that when an FCache is encountered by the execution processes, it can be ignored with the exception of the very end of it, examined using viewr. < 1346533986 630780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1346533987 170355 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, not true. < 1346533995 453582 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the beginning needs to be examined sometimes too < 1346534030 947679 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, this is going to make run double in size < 1346534039 26950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the beginning needs to be examined only by the previous functions < 1346534042 814366 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1346534053 598442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it will probably slow down stuff when it's not needed < 1346534066 177902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also need to look at the _two_ last elements. < 1346534075 418376 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really just groping in the dark here < 1346534120 892197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you need to pack things into those Caches < 1346534132 118819 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I was getting to thet < 1346534134 71166 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*that < 1346534193 578323 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, this is an awful idea. < 1346534212 338949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1346534265 30349 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-141-159.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1346534276 327216 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-223.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. With the LuaJIT FFI, Lua becomes a decent language for interacting with C libraries. < 1346534513 524485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i think you actually _do_ need to look only at the last element < 1346534567 49091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because every case where a function might take two arguments it either does not depend on the type of the second, or the first required type is unstable < 1346534671 696944 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point < 1346534674 852904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the former: ~ < the latter: + * / $) < 1346534692 627988 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ is in both categories < 1346534704 203065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1346534710 581985 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even better < 1346535063 236447 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't need to check for numbers in a cache either < 1346535337 201892 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: how does that compare to Python ctypes? < 1346535386 31803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever a value doesn't get executed, it can be added to a following cache. < 1346535414 554007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or become a single-value cache, if there isn't one < 1346535437 140458 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking a preceeding cache < 1346535451 638491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes both can be used < 1346535457 509004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Or JAVA JNA! I'm sure that'd make a decent language too! < 1346535463 353224 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could even be merged? < 1346535465 959216 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1346535467 495455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346535472 935540 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"java isn't an acronym" < 1346535479 90916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops. < 1346535489 736672 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java Ain't Very Acronym-y < 1346535496 96899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least JNA is. I got maybe too excited! < 1346535496 600252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except a preceding cache has just been executed so it is possible that it no longer stable. < 1346535510 36428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is* < 1346535519 674879 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq++ < 1346535535 935352 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net NICK :atrir < 1346535540 199956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think merging with a following cache is more sound. < 1346535542 563004 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i have used JNI but not JNA < 1346535553 372943 :atrir!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go to sleep now, I think. < 1346535555 654823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course a cache can be merged with a following one. < 1346535557 861477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To give credit where it's due, JNA looked like a more reasonable FFI approach than JNI, especially considering the use-case of interfacing to existing libraries. < 1346535557 880365 :atrir!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be a good idea. < 1346535566 691352 :atrir!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1346535568 973577 :atrir!~Taneb@host-78-146-170-75.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Goodbye < 1346535609 983260 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you can't use Java, you can only leverage it" < 1346535658 852330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3. leverage, leveraging -- (investing with borrowed money as a way to amplify potential gains (at the risk of greater losses)) < 1346535673 234224 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1346535679 877159 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's also a synonym for "use" in US business-speak < 1346535698 843935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atrir-- < 1346535733 209053 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("atrir"+4)-- < 1346535759 103260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma ("atrir"+4) < 1346535759 272155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :("atrir"+4) has a karma of -1 < 1346535763 183154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1346535805 723868 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mprotect("atrir" & ~0xfff, 4096, 0777); < 1346535830 807251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1346535844 700116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if that even makes sense < 1346535864 257082 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mprotect(0, ~0, 0777); < 1346535888 464956 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well POSIX only guarantees mprotect() on pages obtained from mmap() < 1346535898 314893 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has a hardcoded page size of 4kB < 1346535904 942872 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it will probably work on Linux on most platforms :3 < 1346535919 299617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to ask "what, POSIX has a hardcoded page size?" < 1346535925 570485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :today's yafgc spoiler: so the devils need to save the zombies which are currently attacking them and apparently winning... < 1346535974 744241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Linux/SPARC does 8k pages. < 1346536033 158366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ grep -R PAGESIZE * < 1346536033 362421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :include/asm/elf_64.h:#define ELF_EXEC_PAGESIZE PAGE_SIZE < 1346536033 381026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :include/asm/elf_32.h:#define ELF_EXEC_PAGESIZE 4096 < 1346536033 381194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :include/asm/param.h:#define EXEC_PAGESIZE 8192 /* Thanks for sun4's we carry baggage... */ < 1346536052 194142 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are at least some 8ks somewhere in it. < 1346536065 642360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kconfig: default SPARC64_PAGE_SIZE_8KB < 1346536065 808313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kconfig:config SPARC64_PAGE_SIZE_8KB < 1346536065 828448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kconfig:config SPARC64_PAGE_SIZE_64KB < 1346536072 364657 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot the _ in the middle. < 1346536084 658569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *demons < 1346536111 375194 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, and 0777 is wrong < 1346536242 550227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that became PROT_READ | PROT_WRITE | PROT_EXEC | PROT_SEM | a couple other bits. (At least it didn't have both PROT_GROWSDOWN and PROT_GROWSUP as well.) < 1346536396 895639 :augur_!~augur@206.196.187.63 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346536476 474918 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "atrir" & ~0xfff is also a constraint violation. < 1346536479 757583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION "fixes" his sandal with tape < 1346536511 228611 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GROWSBOTHWAYS < 1346536544 421545 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346536555 667304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do wonder if there's a piece of code with the line int strings = "dummy"; strings &= ~0xfff; mprotect(strings, 4096, 7); /* make all string literals writable */ in it. < 1346536616 100454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps running a nuclear reactor somewhere. < 1346537136 767572 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-6-93.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346537358 299800 :inago!inago@84.79.144.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346537406 216569 :inago!inago@84.79.144.120 PART :#esoteric < 1346537483 683923 :Braber01!44bc6322@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.188.99.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346537523 449447 :Braber01!44bc6322@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.188.99.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would I convert a bf [ ] into path /\ < 1346537528 456756 :Braber01!44bc6322@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.188.99.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\/ ? < 1346537951 99879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braber01: path? hm < 1346537966 232577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no such esolang on the wiki < 1346537977 205556 :Braber01!44bc6322@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.188.99.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah the wiki isn't it's called PATH < 1346537986 950764 :Braber01!44bc6322@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.188.99.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/PATH < 1346538033 232621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i see < 1346538068 533717 :Braber01!44bc6322@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.188.99.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the wiki doesn't exactly explain how to convert [ and ] into path < 1346538088 475931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look too hard < 1346538112 392909 :Braber01!44bc6322@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.188.99.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It confuses the fuck out of me. < 1346538135 705507 :Braber01!44bc6322@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.188.99.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_text gen < 1346538257 101208 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : / \ < 1346538257 119698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ ^/v!\ }-{- \ \ / < 1346538261 898622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1346538282 135913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody irssi autoconnecting lines < 1346538294 62217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : / \ < 1346538294 80726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ ^/v!\ }-{- \ < 1346538300 117127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ / < 1346538352 783790 :Braber01!44bc6322@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.188.99.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that didn't quite make sense to me. esp when I need something like a value of 57. and don't want to put 57 +'s in a row. < 1346538358 368026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that method isn't composable < 1346538379 363820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm that's a problem for brainfuck as well... < 1346538385 637556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the "atrir" & ~0xfff consrtaint violation? < 1346538442 668938 :Braber01!44bc6322@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.188.99.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION examines the code for hello. < 1346538718 640613 :Braber01!44bc6322@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.188.99.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to be right back I'm going to hand trace this program to see If I can make sense of it. < 1346538835 441205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a PATH something, I think. < 1346538841 565873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some conversion or another. < 1346538848 758332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braber01: i can see that the example on the wiki is confusing because it doesn't exit the loop going rightwards, which means it's hard to nest them... < 1346538889 446715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it doesn't exit the loop the same way when exiting on the first iteration as on a later one < 1346538903 307663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe it wasn't PATH.) < 1346538916 22129 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.63 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346538949 579555 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Port Authority Trans-Hudson < 1346538956 24986 :Braber01!44bc6322@gateway/web/freenode/ip.68.188.99.34 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1346539001 229489 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, it was that Beam thing instead. < 1346539017 922433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yep! < 1346539077 243874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't explicitly know of anyone using it, but then I suppose the point of it is that I wouldn't. < 1346539106 485596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought PATH was some kind of a system of trains. Is that what that is? < 1346539141 682770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is probably one of the ways that I make myself less secure by doing everything in "Incognito Mode". < 1346539148 395246 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346539177 384821 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a rapid transit system which runs between Manhattan and the close parts of New Jersey < 1346539226 825211 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it goes through a not-quite-tunnel under the Hudson River < 1346539242 543660 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like a cast iron tube that they shoved through the silt on the river bottom < 1346539265 113671 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, four of them < 1346539425 721263 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 2001 one of the stations was destroyed when two large buildings fell on it < 1346539439 345965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've heard of that. < 1346539442 551155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I've noticed the following phenomenon: If I open a fresh Firefox Private Browsing window and go to some non-SSL websites -- say http://www.facebook.com/ -- at home, it'll redirect to the HTTPS version. < 1346539455 34088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In several non-home public-WiFi places, it doesn't do that. < 1346539467 78574 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's awkward < 1346539472 437243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there reasonable explanations other than "someone tampering with my traffic"? < 1346539484 167325 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will try to think of one < 1346539489 475374 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the problem which HSTS is supposed to solve < 1346539494 799952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1346539495 502942 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only learned about HSTS yesterday, so good timing :) < 1346539512 586176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, your question reminded me of it. < 1346539514 164571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Braber01 i edited the PATH example, the new method should be more consistent < 1346539514 331039 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1346539549 761301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're ABC-testing their HTTPS thing and my home IP happens to fall in one group while some other IPs happen to fall in the other. < 1346539560 669440 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, "SandForce SSDs heavily rely on compression for faster speeds and less write amplification" < 1346539568 476367 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's unfortunate with full disk encryption < 1346539679 424125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whther the property that "you can tell if sector A = sector B" is important. < 1346539695 249188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how much performance it's worth, if it comes to that. < 1346539701 539560 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean using ECB essentially? < 1346539719 409197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, on the sector level. < 1346539730 661841 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the performance on random data is still good < 1346539734 369904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe something bigger than a sector. < 1346539750 281810 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you take like a 2x hit to sequential write performance < 1346539754 737286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRIM is another thing that presumably leaks information which you do want. < 1346539782 104231 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the Intel 520 still beats the fastest comparable non-SandForge SSD at random writes < 1346539791 267349 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and isn't much slower on sequential writes < 1346539813 990691 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and read performance isn't affected < 1346539889 183703 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1346539910 139815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "For example, an attacker can abort an SSH connection or an HTTPS connection by forging a single TCP Reset packet." < 1346539916 706735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't know that. < 1346539925 907396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This seems like another property Mosh wouldn't have. < 1346539935 127169 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a sequence number issue there? < 1346539949 707837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably a MITM could do it. < 1346539961 298748 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sure < 1346539962 156871 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-223.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comcast did that to Bittorrent once upon a time. < 1346539962 885610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or someone on a public WiFi network. < 1346539976 208141 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the MITM can also just decide to stop relaying your packets < 1346540000 28922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who can read your packets can do it. < 1346540007 824873 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, you can't MITM Mosh at the transport layer, because the transport is encrypted < 1346540013 427881 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably IPSec also solves this problem < 1346540028 722156 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and UDP-based VPNs < 1346540042 603883 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(encrypted and authenticated, i should say) < 1346540048 565656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And CurveCP (whose web page that quote comes from). < 1346540144 545675 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346540172 354365 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1346540441 393919 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-6-93.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1346540839 710146 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if mosh supported roaming on both ends, you could kill a connection by sending two packets < 1346540843 942062 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i have explained this attack < 1346540859 489928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1346540891 298949 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also insert yourself into an existing connection as a network layer MITM < 1346540923 942606 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which could be useful for some esoteric attacks < 1346541120 935687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, GHC supports interruptible foreign calls? < 1346541144 308942 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, that's newish < 1346541147 235431 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember t he details < 1346541248 781791 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are they interrupted? < 1346541265 116790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIGPIPE, it looks like? < 1346541481 553937 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346541528 263711 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU JOIN :#esoteric < 1346542408 636292 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346542710 271604 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1346543043 266748 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have added commands PRINTM, INPUTM, MESGM which is like PRINT, INPUT, MESG but is using C-style strings; this can be used if you are compiling a C code or LLVM code into RogueVM. < 1346543073 270889 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. /usr/share/zsh-beta/functions/Completion/Unix/_make is insane. It parses Makefiles and expands variables and includes. < 1346543126 475694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that for tab-completion or what? < 1346543160 809453 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1346543344 316555 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yay for 10 PRINT "Hello" 20 GOTO 10 < 1346543369 498836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: ? < 1346543402 685001 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^HelloHelloHelloHelloHelloHello[...] < 1346543447 509751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it is a BASIC program that will write Hello forever (with line breaks) but I don't know why you write this to me at now < 1346543465 457301 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (unlines . repeat) "Hello" < 1346543467 461171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Hello\nHello\nHello\nHello\nHello\nHello\nHello\nHello\nHello\nHello\nHell... < 1346543473 486116 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is a special program in basic < 1346543485 842755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1346543546 621585 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sort of anarchistic < 1346543574 298127 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does nothing of value. while also being an infinite loop < 1346543614 972854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1346543615 306796 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and scrolls the screen away < 1346543644 646149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is paper then it will instead waste all of the paper. < 1346543786 545056 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its much more fun than "Enter distance: " "Enter speed: " ... "The car travelled an average speed of no-fucking-idea" < 1346543819 991026 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1346543821 534189 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even worse, a program which lets you enter student grades < 1346543829 340020 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and calculates averages etc < 1346544159 960578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am looking at LLVM document, so that once they add a byte size specification it could compile into RogueVM. < 1346544303 82365 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1346544379 118989 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1346544440 75996 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We request 16,000 random bytes of data from random.org. We then mix (using a bitwise XOR) those bytes with 16,000 internally generated pseudo-random bytes, in case there is a bias in the bytes from random.org. " < 1346544461 187312 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might the pseudorandomly-generated bytes be more problematic? < 1346544504 954581 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Either way, since they are not related to each other, it cannot cause more problem that they already have. < 1346544553 638873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if random.org has no bias, and the internal ones have no dependency on them, then the result will have no bias (basically one time pad theory) < 1346544588 937772 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that makes sense. < 1346544620 854569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what I meant. < 1346545469 450811 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1346545627 595931 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.63 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346545695 217644 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346545986 223644 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1346550798 200789 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But it's possible to take a biased source of entropy and unbias it < 1346550816 17857 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which random.org is guaranteed to do < 1346550817 256309 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only is it possible, it's a common CS interview question ;) < 1346550845 751369 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can turn independent flips of a biased coin into independent flips of a fair coin < 1346550862 927701 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure what you can do with non-independent inputs < 1346550870 12789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well assuming they're independent and equally distributed, that's easy < 1346550871 690846 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, if you get 01, that's a 1, if you've got 10, that's a 0 (or the other way around), if you get 11 or 00, you discard it < 1346550881 588296 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what the dependence is < 1346550891 649740 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :This will work as long as there is no correlation between consecutive bits < 1346550918 83278 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you can do it a bit more efficiently, but yeah < 1346550946 796764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if even index bits have a different distribution than odd index bits >:) < 1346550979 190387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that is the only difference in distribution, then you can easily account for that, though. < 1346551023 882973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally. < 1346551045 61830 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Which Many True Things are Said. < 1346551091 401639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :And KMC Turns Inside Out. < 1346551126 346389 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, if the source is 010101010101010101010101 (strong correlation between bits) then it won't work at all < 1346551129 975965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :More efficiently by looking for 1100/0011/11110000/00001111/etc.? < 1346551147 483970 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember < 1346551186 173188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I heard Haswell is going to have a 56-bit address space. < 1346551190 865524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that's not actually a correlation, or rather the expression would become 0/0 or something like that. < 1346551195 749884 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1346551207 739746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for people like sbahra who were using those bits! < 1346551210 561152 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :up from 48? < 1346551214 34797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1346551218 664184 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, well, the architecture tries to discourage you from doing that :) < 1346551222 168335 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was sbahra doing? < 1346551236 254211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something in concurrencykit < 1346551244 174462 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: After 0, there is a 100% chance of 1 < 1346551246 617568 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And vice versa < 1346551290 845636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's a big enough win that he's adding some runtime checks for whether those can be used or not. < 1346551311 391214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: the definition of corr(X,Y) makes that 0/0 < 1346551330 592377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: the thing is you cannot correlate with something which doesn't actually _vary_. < 1346551376 654304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another clue is that the odds and even bits are actually independent then. < 1346551406 640386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the case whenever all probabilities are 0 or 1. < 1346552437 134982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What instructions and other features do you think would be useful for virtual machine used for roguelike games and other similar grid based games? < 1346552512 15997 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346552523 977981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mouse button on my computer might be broken; sometimes when I push once it act as double clicked < 1346552559 260111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to fix this? < 1346552592 946407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Push it half, rather than once. < 1346552599 169160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll count the half-click as a single click. < 1346552626 359241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This mouse cannot go half. Also, I do not think that is the problem. < 1346552740 109461 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346552751 342686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn i hate it when i've opened several tabs, taking great care to wait until each stops using cpu, and then _suddenly_ and old one wakes up and use it all up. and i cannot even find out which. < 1346552762 825453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an old < 1346552871 149897 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti why are you oerjan < 1346552874 142838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall a couple years ago or so, tabbed browsing used to be nice :( < 1346552886 335 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346552906 206089 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.63 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346552941 183867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you even open too many tabs at once? The problem is the browser is doing a lot of stuff because it is too complicated. < 1346553011 432822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but it shouldn't matter when each tab is not using cpu :( < 1346553061 861574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes they shouldn't be using CPU a lot anyways. < 1346553094 781434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just went through r/science on reddit and open all the tabs i wanted to read before reading most of them. and i had _just_ finished opening all when one of them started the thrashing < 1346553131 21936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turn off the features which cause that < 1346553150 173619 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem is, it is too complicated. < 1346553193 9156 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346553196 890555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advertising blocker may be able to speed it up a bit and so can other things such as scripts off (or selectively), etc < 1346553447 238163 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ministat is such a great program < 1346553453 139077 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone here tell me about it? < 1346553523 139454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not me. < 1346553526 606271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even own a television. < 1346553547 579896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, not that sort of program. < 1346553571 280129 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c < 1346553596 367111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a program called "Yes, Minister" < 1346553612 438694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Followed by one called "Yes, Prime Minister" < 1346553617 226602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I remember correctly it was good. < 1346553620 975445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it's been a while.) < 1346553678 183830 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we get that here < 1346553687 889463 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to see it more often < 1346553776 256346 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occured to me when i was watching that once that politics and quantum physics have a lot of common ground < 1346553783 946386 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^mechanics < 1346553804 102292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what way? < 1346553887 841310 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i think that the trick to boiling an egg is filling a saucepan with regular tap water over a flame and adding an egg < 1346553910 111813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1346553914 561064 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this process really exemplifies the boiling of an egg < 1346553944 58301 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any more questions? < 1346553951 692902 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1346554004 250169 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah.. < 1346554029 779592 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad explained to me once that the point was that they would say a lot without actually saying anything < 1346554041 641589 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the egg thing was a bad example of that < 1346554051 557673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks itidus21 just earned a hit with the saucepan ===\__/ < 1346554065 945016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hot saucepan this time. < 1346554081 449592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With eggs in it. < 1346554092 793193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have any eggs. < 1346554113 595352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad. < 1346554114 126106 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i have been thinking about eggs.. < 1346554116 800598 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i do < 1346554240 837192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me review of RogueVM specification I have added a lot I need you to tell me if anything is wrong or if I missed anything important! < 1346554251 17420 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think it was an episode where the prime minister learns that if he announces something publically, it becomes official < 1346554272 655837 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where i was thinking about quantum < 1346554279 802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so that is how it works. < 1346554304 952669 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope and pray that the egg is not in any episode < 1346554379 390026 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just randomly tv watching one day < 1346554390 631892 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit like bird watching except birds follow a schedule < 1346554519 229202 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized that today is an important holiday for my people (hippies) < 1346554543 540577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What important holiday is that? < 1346554553 645224 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the day on which the Man burns < 1346554594 586149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should've gone! < 1346554598 431957 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1346554615 945556 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm doing important startuppy things here < 1346554632 665997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of hippie are you? < 1346554636 245969 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i had delayed my employment another week, i wouldn't be employee #1! < 1346554640 798963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't actually know what "hippie" means. < 1346554645 455797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's employee #2? < 1346554647 865621 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know how much, like, cachet comes with that? < 1346554658 57987 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a person you probably don't know < 1346554663 300136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1346554670 318006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I know any of employee -3-0? < 1346554685 438515 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe? < 1346554690 109400 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know who you know < 1346554742 491231 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of hippie am i? the kind who has already been to Burning Man once ;) < 1346555027 924557 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you go to the stripe web ctf meetup? < 1346555034 866546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1346555043 796749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I talked about it a bit while I was half-asleep in here yesterday. < 1346555048 878752 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they say anything about another CTF? < 1346555064 352144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They talked as if they're planning to keep making them. < 1346555072 457490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember whether they said anything concrete. < 1346555210 33401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should add the word "kentucky" to your vocabulary. < 1346555229 304662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :«KENTUCKY (adv.) Fitting exactly and satisfyingly. The cardboard box that slides neatly into an exact space in a garage, or the last book which exactly fills a bookshelf, is said to fit 'real nice and kentucky'.» < 1346555256 391077 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1346555631 457990 :hagb4rd!~perdito@p5797220A.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1346555737 521286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OHIO < 1346555754 202086 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no escaping from ohio < 1346555793 701533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohio! Washington? Nevada. < 1346555955 9363 :Concreto!~Pina@187.95.232.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346556000 855343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for Abstracto to join, so we can have a superfight < 1346556094 998080 :Concreto!~Pina@187.95.232.251 PART :#esoteric < 1346556680 848149 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1346557225 311280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 20:39 <@lexande_> hunpuns < 1346557335 785310 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhachaf < 1346557355 722505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, lexande_ is here. < 1346557515 900216 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard there was a discussion of frequent flyer miles but i guess i'm rather late for that < 1346557798 983728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, no miles for you! < 1346558388 636002 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's okay, i think i have enough for my purposes < 1346558894 58292 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346559330 645378 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346559833 668601 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are going to have kilometres instead. < 1346560129 651397 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAN's frequent flyer program uses kilometres actually < 1346560134 272764 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know of any other that does < 1346560157 309584 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1346560160 615882 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue kilometers? < 1346560179 352945 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even e.g. Air France and Lufthansa use miles < 1346560219 497667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like this word "tonne"/"metric ton". < 1346560237 552090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1346560251 184358 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aeroflot even < 1346560863 630278 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Миля < 1346560958 617189 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewards programs were invented in the USA because airlines were prohibited from changing prices directly, yeah? < 1346560979 99252 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did a similar regulatory environment exist in other countries, or did they just copy the US rewards systems later? < 1346561076 46060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I hadn't heard about that. Makes some sense. < 1346561101 35094 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1346561103 923450 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, no the first frequent flyer programs were post-deregulation < 1346561120 290640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1346561126 821010 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really < 1346561326 886893 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the airlines had government-granted monopolies on many routes it was not so necessary for them to go out of their way to incentivise customer loyalty < 1346561350 373063 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346561490 919206 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had read that it was a backdoor mechanism for price competition < 1346561494 458581 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently this was inaccurate < 1346561501 674349 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-223.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346561560 299931 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did have other backdoor mechanisms back in the day, mostly in the form of inflight product < 1346561618 368361 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also those little houses you still get on KLM business class, because they weren't allowed to give customers "gifts" but they were allowed to give customers free alcohol < 1346561653 273238 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess those aren't really backdoor mechanisms, just competing on other things < 1346561653 439894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Houses? < 1346561676 672861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/KLM_DelftBlueHouses.PNG < 1346561735 831640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1346561854 868211 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346561969 670212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1346561972 307338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq < 1346561972 690385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1346561973 859964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you there < 1346562007 958404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> hi "elliott" < 1346562010 650630 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : helliott < 1346562018 243964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1346562022 900054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1346562031 89906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't make that command. < 1346562037 664123 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was it who answered a few day ago about the RogueVM? At the time I did not write enough. Now I need help know if it is enough or if it is all wrong. < 1346562045 500546 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, if it is all wrong, then I should fix it please < 1346562122 128973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Because, if it is all wrong, then I should fix it please < 1346562131 607597 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :858) Because, if it is all wrong, then I should fix it please < 1346562140 511614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday: 23:09 That still does not tell me what codes I need to make this internet service. < 1346562147 171716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Did you ever figure that out? < 1346562160 627995 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I did not. < 1346562208 161756 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1346562279 510663 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.63 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346562292 526633 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346562294 391929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.npr.org/2012/09/01/160386904/in-bike-friendly-copenhagen-highways-for-cyclists < 1346562294 939586 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346562297 990253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty friendly. < 1346562487 801110 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nytimes i think had an article about this recently < 1346562670 178483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: please tell me you know http semantics < 1346562757 668366 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1346562771 219423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's ok i solved it without you < 1346562771 254315 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about http? < 1346562772 139661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :( < 1346562776 570519 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are u talking about < 1346562779 227134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is it ok for /foo/bar to be 200 but /foo to be 404 < 1346562786 379101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should i make /foo and /foo/ be 403 instead or whatever < 1346562807 859996 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kay, I'll just continue thinking about how much more performance I can squeeze out of this VM. < 1346562820 498372 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't know; i'd be surprised if that's in the spec < 1346562834 188216 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm worried that to do much more I'll need a JIT. < 1346562838 66603 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the interpretation of URLs as paths is pretty under-constrained < 1346562842 147366 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm *so close* to beating LuaJIT without one! < 1346562844 755997 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but idk < 1346562847 44344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i don't care about spec, only what the cult ideology is < 1346562866 476590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what are you doing < 1346562874 328066 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well wrong cult < 1346562882 279907 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask someone who lives in SF and has tight jeans < 1346562888 596285 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Squeezing the clock cycles from an interpreter. < 1346562891 387783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what's your cult < 1346562893 579876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: interpreters for what < 1346562898 415505 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1346562915 539988 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Moderately artificial VM spec. < 1346562931 692114 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cult of the least fixed point < 1346562966 744105 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already got it down to basically a threaded Forth interpreter in C. < 1346563033 727308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What VM is this? < 1346563075 872037 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The interpreter's https://github.com/pikhq/cmako, the VM's from https://github.com/JohnEarnest/Mako < 1346563084 488936 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the least fixed point is a great prophet but not my messiah < 1346563091 439556 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :John Earnest being the IRL name of RodgerTheGreat, who was last in here a few years ago. < 1346563356 101217 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been fun to work on, and at some point I got to where I need to start comparing any benchmarks I do with GCC and LuaJIT... < 1346563372 39050 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slower than both, of course, but by less than you'd expect. < 1346564087 403373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I saw a Union Pacific train when I was waiting at the Caltrain station! < 1346564090 67048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was very long. < 1346564143 105771 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of those three freight trains a day, for the benefit of which CAHSR is going to spend many billions more than otherwise necessary < 1346564609 43147 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :creating jobs! < 1346564672 736856 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :freight trains are very long < 1346564683 359660 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones that come through downtown Cambridge, MA on the surface are not so long < 1346564692 823946 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they go very slowly and people would get pissed off at waiting 20 minutes at the crossing < 1346564868 996010 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because there isn't all that much freight moving by rail east of the hudson < 1346565101 373679 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, especially not northeast of boston, which is the only place they'd be going if passing through downtown cambridge < 1346565203 688223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My DVD was making worrying noises, so I'm `dvdbackup`ing it. < 1346565213 362579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's still making those noises but hopefully it'll only make them once. < 1346565222 64894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvds don't make noises, shachaf!!! < 1346565285 527218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh no! < 1346565290 967246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did I put in my DVD drive, then? < 1346565303 988821 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who was phone < 1346565332 404677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.2G < 1346565335 615367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: kmc < 1346565343 813483 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 1.21G? < 1346565349 603681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sorry ':( < 1346565350 346830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's trying to get out but he's too polite to bother you about it < 1346565361 407412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. I'm so sad I'm crying upwards. < 1346565361 575454 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1346565374 403961 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i am trapped inside shachaf's DVD drive < 1346565381 815278 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trapped in fortune cookie factory < 1346565565 359661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.6G < 1346566072 375297 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1346566332 780443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is making all sorts of exciting noises. < 1346566339 660658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether I could play music with it. < 1346566455 508786 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep, ttyl < 1346566459 293076 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck with your dvd < 1346566496 3365 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346566610 7154 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346566629 938020 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-141-159.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346566659 93041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the version numbering system of RogueVM good? (page 12) < 1346566799 48239 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346566936 317704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346567183 513082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read it? < 1346567199 129338 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-141-159.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346567253 103309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote about the version numbers only a few minutes ago. < 1346567284 376584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, < 1346567285 553236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe no :( < 1346567288 609278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I am sure it is good! < 1346567318 927971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't a very good answer. < 1346567328 125436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/answer/reason/ < 1346567329 586031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1346567330 705653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am sorry < 1346567351 788529 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1346567418 526236 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis JOIN :#esoteric < 1346567612 922219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346568141 369357 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346568146 896811 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346568826 781730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346568901 668420 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-254-203.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346568972 185148 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1346568973 255007 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346569000 324070 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1346569026 354073 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1346569949 684625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1346570034 999032 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-141-159.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346571833 624727 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346571859 590094 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1346572052 61625 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-141-159.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1346572577 14083 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1346572651 831723 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346573005 960938 :augur_!~augur@206.196.187.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346573016 302470 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.63 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346573506 191843 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346573515 112127 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1346573564 549205 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles "crate", unsure which ones are actual crates and which ones are just rendered < 1346573816 295613 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346573825 261443 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-254-203.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1346573966 305948 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-141-159.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346575595 235501 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think crates exist in real life < 1346575603 882866 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't they just create the concept to have a handy structure to climb on in games? < 1346575625 947249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's ask a dictionary. < 1346575627 447268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn crate < 1346575627 948810 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "crate" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1346575628 113774 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :crate < 1346575628 281053 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: a rugged box (usually made of wood); used for shipping < 1346575628 299775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2: the quantity contained in a crate [syn: {crate}, {crateful}] < 1346575628 299942 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : v 1: put into a crate; as for protection; "crate the paintings < 1346575630 81573 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : before shipping them to the museum" [ant: {uncrate}] < 1346575639 451012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it doesn't mention games. < 1346575987 941121 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mother doesn't mention games < 1346576460 974763 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1346576535 739314 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1346577767 89156 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346578272 263967 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry that was kind of mean < 1346579094 958235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was kind of median. < 1346579478 271852 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/AnotherTest/X.so yay < 1346579530 427573 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1346579530 593766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1346579830 824759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sad. :( < 1346581183 631471 :juhani!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346581248 587719 :juhani!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :nortti < 1346582036 16595 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1346583036 336014 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346583057 891562 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Something a :: Something a (Maybe (Ptr (Something a))) (Maybe (Ptr (Someting a))) < 1346583073 11169 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why Ptrs < 1346583088 851145 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Something a :: Something a (Maybe (Something a)) (Maybe (Something a)) < 1346583111 665397 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :left :: Something a -> Maybe (Something a); left (Something _ a _) = a < 1346583128 407136 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right :: Something a -> Maybe (Something a); right (Something _ _ a) = a < 1346583187 103954 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo :: Something (); foo = Something () (Just foo) (Just foo) < 1346583499 743332 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been playing magic the gathering < 1346583501 778529 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone else play this game? < 1346583508 234423 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more of a Sopio fan < 1346583533 842727 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you like to play a variant of chess with portals? < 1346583555 164372 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :and projectile attacks? < 1346583563 653792 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't kallisti do that a while back? < 1346583569 172325 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346583572 438611 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org NICK :kallisti < 1346583573 938168 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org NICK :spirity < 1346583576 439800 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1346583578 402899 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net NICK :atriq < 1346583580 392227 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai < 1346583583 173303 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already have, heh < 1346583590 755218 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow imagine that. < 1346583600 136197 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of a few tweaks < 1346583626 761170 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go on? < 1346583655 524512 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't sure what the queen should be < 1346583696 78948 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be a piece that produces reflectors < 1346583703 215076 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are just little tokens. coins or dice or whatever. < 1346583733 283315 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also < 1346583746 134293 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be interesting to have a special rule that enables you to revive old pieces < 1346583764 881395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity: Can you just stick with one nick, please? < 1346583772 406960 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. I will stick with this one. < 1346583813 670055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you stick with one of the previous ones? < 1346583835 424601 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should I do that? < 1346583848 371076 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't kallisti mean "for the fairest" or something in Greek? < 1346583870 792802 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1346583882 216540 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I worship the god Eris < 1346583901 767067 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough < 1346583923 288011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should try irc.efnet.org < 1346583980 449139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds illogical. < 1346584005 128239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the Eris-Free network, after all. < 1346584057 346263 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346584078 733073 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1346584095 513927 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1346585141 928421 :nortti_!~logibotti@62-183-153-2.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346585235 956812 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346585302 877903 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1346585343 740612 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1346585381 897823 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :d indeed < 1346585697 81583 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1346586382 952456 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346586772 869891 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346587163 285176 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1346587179 268517 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346587290 127384 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be QUIT :Client Quit < 1346587373 941757 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346589293 99308 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346589306 332504 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346589752 53854 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1346589945 487135 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1346590340 300899 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346592231 101051 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346592232 364009 :AnotherTest1!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346593146 319063 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: the last thought i had about chess was to take away the board, and play on some arbitrary real world terrain < 1346593252 489417 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an extension of that idea would be that anywhere on earth counts as the board < 1346593267 177916 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What are you doing in my house!?" < 1346593269 982574 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Playing chess" < 1346593293 183296 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm trying to sleep!" < 1346593320 505530 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey, you didn't complain when Dan moved his rook into the Tate Modern" < 1346593332 871250 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why on earth would he do that!?" < 1346593346 635213 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To pin my bishop against my queen so I couldn't check him." < 1346593622 94857 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1346593980 57328 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the game of chess takes place on chessboard on mars surface, "what you're using insanely expensive computer equipment to play games?" < 1346594006 625974 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"don't worry, i will be a hero in 70 years" < 1346595251 510838 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346595279 118204 :AnotherTest1!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1346595298 968272 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346595458 267673 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1346596239 808657 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stalemate" "no! I was about to discover water under his rook!" < 1346596310 715762 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“If you know what I mean.” < 1346596515 835440 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1346596618 648372 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"talking about exploration rovers... I'm pretty sure I don't want to know what you mean" < 1346597802 157209 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346597830 212925 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1346598368 953451 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346598471 325906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why are we talking all in quotes?" < 1346598527 882674 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1346598531 704964 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'll be back." < 1346598541 38687 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1346598575 562592 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1346598602 467630 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello" < 1346598612 67263 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My name is Inigo Montoya" < 1346598616 261266 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You killed my father" < 1346598619 422247 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Prepare to die" < 1346598649 801195 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, we were still on this? < 1346599248 199945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't know." < 1346599445 420554 :augur_!~augur@206.196.187.63 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346599644 255952 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1346600159 620005 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out that upgrading X was actually useful < 1346600528 38865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How interesting." < 1346600535 699898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc int main(void) { char prog = 'X'; prog--; printf("downgraded X: %c(ayland)", prog); } < 1346600539 832733 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :downgraded X: W(ayland) < 1346600777 448054 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc int main(void { int x = 10; printf("%d", (x-- * x--) + x--); } < 1346600781 366471 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1346600801 313907 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc int main(void) { int x = 10; printf("%d", (x-- * x--) + x--); } < 1346600806 103734 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :110 < 1346600831 386265 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How curious < 1346600833 129334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this, some kind of undefinedness competition? < 1346600842 746464 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1346600848 58666 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is EXACTLY what this is < 1346601224 384120 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the same as GCC, for probably very simple reasons < 1346601274 589030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be so sure that "GCC" (every version, every platform) does the same thing there. < 1346601284 796757 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1346601381 78882 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: in nandypants, what do you mean "Adds a to the output stream"? < 1346601397 799242 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's going a long way back < 1346601411 529301 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what implementation is `runc? < 1346601427 949312 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The contents of the cell pointed to in tape A, Arc_Koen < 1346601450 91062 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In whatever format the implementer wants < 1346601450 257148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's just echo "$@" | gcc -x c - -o $t && $t. < 1346601464 955996 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1346601469 43183 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i got that, but what does the output stream do with it? print it as a 0 or 1? or wait to have 8 bits before printing it as a char? < 1346601504 745469 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementation dependant < 1346601507 779456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The !c in EgoBot has some kind of an unconditional main-wrapping around it. < 1346601509 190046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("x\n"); < 1346601510 21782 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really thought about it? < 1346601511 417236 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1346601512 251080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main(void) { printf("x\n"); } < 1346601514 205658 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1346601548 958039 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! int main(void {printf("x\n");}; main < 1346601553 309170 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main(void {printf("x\n");}; main < 1346601554 688366 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1346601586 342054 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1346601618 282780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like ##c's candide's ,cc, it's got all kinds of stuff like a lot of guesswork about what code goes where, support for giving options, input, doing editing and s///'s on the program, gdb integration and whatnot. < 1346601661 879923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't generate any output, it produces a list of all locals of main by default. < 1346601676 598813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, you need to have brackets after main to call it..l. < 1346601682 960197 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah < 1346601690 187577 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is not something I am very good at < 1346601693 463444 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main(void {printf("x\n");}; main() < 1346601695 116967 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1346601695 988361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:01 ,cc int x = 10; int y = (x++ * x++) + x++; < 1346601696 7086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:01 fizzie: [warning: operation on 'x' may be undefined [-Wsequence-point] warning: operation on 'x' may be undefined [-Wsequence-point]] < 1346601701 941027 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main(void) {printf("x\n");}; main() < 1346601704 208279 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1346601716 92806 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed a bracket < 1346601739 697832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to know what that actually compiled. < 1346601767 37567 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: you don't need to call main < 1346601775 285223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly a nested function inside the autogenerated main. < 1346601784 991468 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, in this implementation you do < 1346601792 297900 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main(void) {printf("x\n");} < 1346601794 389422 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1346601799 31961 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, ok < 1346601811 944416 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It runs C statements, not C programs < 1346601827 155293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably because it ends up as int main(void) { int main(void) { printf("x\n"); } } for !c. < 1346602058 18884 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Should I use my free EC2 micro instance for something? < 1346602065 144726 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could move IRC and other chat to it < 1346602173 954123 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm tempted to do the same. < 1346602459 725510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then all the CONFIDENTIAL #esoteric chatter would be OBSERVED by a MULTINATIONAL CORPORATION. < 1346602537 924369 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they would use timing attacks to steal my cryptos :( < 1346602556 15680 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 'they' i mean anyone with an instance on the same hardware < 1346602660 369965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They would use acoustic sidechannel attacs using the accidentally user-exposed microphone on the neighbouring machines, too. < 1346602792 804129 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mind is the scene of the crime < 1346603061 357755 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c while(1) fork(); < 1346603136 128009 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("Still alive?\n"); < 1346603138 171676 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still alive? < 1346603155 521284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Spaghetti fork: A fork with a metal shaft loosely fitted inside a hollow plastic handle. The shaft protrudes through the top of the handle, ending in a bend that allows the metal part of the fork to be easily rotated with one hand while the other hand is holding the plastic handle. This supposedly allows spaghetti to be easily wound onto the tines. Electric variations of this fork have become ... < 1346603156 19963 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c asm("nop"); < 1346603158 559068 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1346603162 12418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... more prevalent in modern times." < 1346603164 507130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why have I never seen an electronic spaghetti fork? < 1346603232 192192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or a cranked one, for that matter.) < 1346603280 471883 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%ul\n", sizeof(void*)); < 1346603282 717213 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8l < 1346603286 996507 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1346603313 789164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%zu\n", sizeof (void*)); /* let's be correct about it, okay? */ < 1346603316 438560 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 < 1346603346 356561 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%zu\n", sizeof main); /* And sillier about it too? */ < 1346603348 475212 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1346603360 590503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's indeed very silly. < 1346603385 189506 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... But main is a int(*)(int,char**). Surely that's not size 1. < 1346603393 579476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The sizeof operator shall not be applied to an expression that has function type --" < 1346603413 624830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing about function designators automatically yielding a pointer does not work when it's an operand of sizeof. < 1346603457 383626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C11 6.3.2.1p4 and 6.5.3.4p1.) < 1346603459 688818 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. It's actually getting the size of the function itself, and in GNU C a function has size 1 for confusing reasons having to do with pointer arithmetic on function pointers and void pointers being permitted. < 1346603483 690629 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%zu\n", sizeof(int(*)(int,char**))); < 1346603486 13965 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 < 1346603490 621145 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better. < 1346603495 53740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%zu\n", sizeof &main); /* is also okay */ < 1346603497 297173 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 < 1346603545 448328 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int x=0; printf("%d\n", x); < 1346603547 698741 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1346603572 738979 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c unsigned int x[4] = { 0 }; asm("cpuid" : "=b"(x[0]), "=d"(x[1]), "=c"(x[2]) : "a"(0)); printf("%s\n", (char *) x); < 1346603574 984745 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AuthenticAMD < 1346603636 966095 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Havin' fun? < 1346603640 950736 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1346603649 525710 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo You realize I'm more fun, right? < 1346603652 434355 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You realize I'm more fun, right? < 1346603659 121257 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i have used HackEgo < 1346603664 281399 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i run C code with HackEgo? < 1346603669 367735 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gcc < 1346603672 629672 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc: no input files < 1346603683 861607 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a one-liner function like EgoBot? < 1346603690 133430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just added that 'runc' there. < 1346603695 873627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just asked about it, too. < 1346603698 866879 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc printf("foo\n"); < 1346603702 651683 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1346603702 818233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346603704 939895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't main-wrap. < 1346603713 285264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc int main(void) { printf("foo\n"); } < 1346603713 617995 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc int main() { printf("foo\n"); } < 1346603717 563097 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1346603724 628671 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc int main() { unsigned int x[4] = { 0 }; asm("cpuid" : "=b"(x[0]), "=d"(x[1]), "=c"(x[2]) : "a"(0)); printf("%s\n", (char *) x); } < 1346603728 937838 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AuthenticAMD < 1346603733 722673 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My eventual goal was to replace EgoBot entirely with HackEgo functionality, but I'm a lazy punk. < 1346603734 393440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't those run on the same system, anyway? < 1346603734 929929 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1346603751 218155 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, they're fundamentally the same except that HackEgo has a persistent FS. < 1346603794 933423 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346604090 889259 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, GCC will optimize printf("%s\n", x) to puts(x) < 1346604158 398953 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1346604178 368427 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i could say that's due to some crazy partial evaluation supercompilation mumbo < 1346604186 323300 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's almost certainly due to GCC's hard-coded knowledge of printf < 1346604195 972131 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346604212 112596 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it is. < 1346604261 317357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC knows about timed hits. < 1346604313 440140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't optimize printf("%d\n", 1); to puts("1");, however. (At least mine doesn't.) < 1346604316 904871 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346604331 352049 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :timed hits? < 1346604366 465910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Super Mario RPG reference. < 1346604376 207032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also a tvtropes trope.) < 1346604416 278592 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1346604419 231953 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fuck < 1346604424 531323 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing my homework online < 1346604426 974878 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiple choice < 1346604436 863193 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is pretty blatently not one of the choices < 1346604517 81593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inspect Element and write your own. (Is not going to do anything sensible.) < 1346604536 951375 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1346605222 32882 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop out of school < 1346606122 429182 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the correct answer is here, not sure what I was thinking before < 1346606240 276429 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346606411 917411 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1346606913 21615 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346606918 518760 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1346606936 307191 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1346607081 905402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Like what? < 1346607142 785903 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know! < 1346607149 646639 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe move IRC and other chat to it < 1346607151 561257 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346607179 100501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could get a "real" VPS thing instead of an EC2 Micro instance. < 1346607206 113956 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but the EC2 micro instance is free, and I've already signed up for the service < 1346607235 298897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, running IRC on it sounds reasonable, I guess. < 1346607266 666089 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait - is #esoteric moving from freenode? < 1346607283 569027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes -- we're all going to go onto kmc's little EC2 Micro Instance. < 1346607301 76703 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't sound good, but I assume irony < 1346607312 973189 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: i meant that I would run my IRC client on said micro instance < 1346607319 636665 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1346607327 474977 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry wasn't following < 1346607330 96927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: I assure you there was no irony intended. < 1346607336 932388 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't very clear < 1346607387 408397 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatthefuck < 1346607404 96411 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.flounder.com/badprogram.htm#clipboard < 1346607414 262736 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've seen people use it for interprocess communication. This is absolutely beyond any shadow of a doubt the WRONG thing to do." < 1346607422 84541 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the fuck would anyone use the clipboard like that < 1346607439 161489 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people are stupid < 1346607484 546701 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more charitably, because people are interested in getting their particular thing working in their particular environment, and don't worry about it being robust or "good practice" < 1346607587 372450 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you reading about bad code? < 1346607592 190401 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :That always makes me sad < 1346607605 118255 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use of malloc/free in C++ programs -> so true < 1346607649 80119 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that's not "potentially harmful" < 1346607660 939569 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be "potentially fatal" < 1346607670 215074 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, that one's not so bad, assuming you're using it for POD and not objects < 1346607670 548721 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis JOIN :#esoteric < 1346607677 848562 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :delete something that was allocated with malloc (with C++ delete) < 1346607681 839079 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be fatal < 1346607687 306896 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's another matter < 1346607724 132656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you never want to do it with C++ delete. That's why I use C/C++ delete. < 1346607772 29444 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't "not using RAII" on the list? < 1346607793 542382 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. it isn't < 1346607957 590299 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's just windows applications < 1346608015 122323 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone here ever heard of "Anshu Avinash of the Programming Club" < 1346608021 995580 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :pclub.in or something < 1346608215 698724 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he's trying to steal my source code :( < 1346608215 754670 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well he might not. Not sure. < 1346608597 684964 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346608682 300510 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346608753 88890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could say that regular copying and pasting is a form of interprocess communication. < 1346609003 804201 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1346609049 633666 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346609101 61472 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346609265 659472 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1346609730 2545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1346609837 935407 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure's -> annoys me < 1346609843 490110 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.fogus.me/2010/09/28/thrush-in-clojure-redux/ < 1346610268 282923 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to Arco AM/PM Mini-market. We would like to advise our customers that any individual who offers to pump gas, wash windows, or solicit products is not employed by or affiliated with this facility. We discourage any contact with these individuals, and ask that you report any problems to uniformed personnel inside. < 1346610273 316548 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for shopping at Arco AM/PM, and have a pleasant day. < 1346610340 559084 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to Arco AM/PM Mini-market. We would like to advise our customers that any individual who offers to pump gas, wash windows, or solicit products is not employed by or affiliated with this facility. We discourage any contact with these individuals. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1346610361 840570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@arrco < 1346610362 6339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drink up, me 'earties < 1346610481 273490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the "AM/PM" for? Open often? < 1346610543 385977 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1346610555 587425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The web-shop of the Finnish national railway company (VR) is closed from 23:30 to 06:00. Because, as everyone knows, the Internet is closed at night. < 1346610586 358355 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346610599 800448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You get timetables 24H, but it's not possible to buy tickets during that time.) < 1346610614 188116 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the B&H Photo website closes for the Sabbath < 1346610663 138462 :sinbitt!~Tim@cpe-98-151-56-241.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1346610720 799253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and our bank said that extra mortgage payments are discouraged near the start/end of month when the scheduled payment goes, because if it happens too close to it, the system might get all confused, and then there might be trouble. (Completely coincidentally, there was a recent magazine article about the state of the COBOL, which mentioned the bank in question still having large COBOL ... < 1346610726 743666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... systems up and running.) < 1346610737 120977 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of people have large COBOL systems up and running < 1346610745 730823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't. < 1346610769 452509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's possible some of those systems can be a bit... inflexible. < 1346610793 256289 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1346610806 731325 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but replacing it would involve a huge amount of expense and trouble < 1346610814 752103 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will probably result in something that's even buggier < 1346610832 621149 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the 30 year old COBOL program's bugs are probably well documented < 1346610872 398098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did say their current development uses Java technologies, IIRC. < 1346610885 415368 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java truly is the COBOL of the 21st Century < 1346610906 411434 :sinbitt!~Tim@cpe-98-151-56-241.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1346610957 255771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're having some trouble finding "real" COBOL programmers, that would still happen to be alive. Apparently there's a reasonable supply of people who know it somewhat well, but the Real Men are dying off. < 1346611015 190895 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a problem < 1346611060 787247 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learning COBOL is actually fucking hard. < 1346611068 602522 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the problem imo :) < 1346611077 831653 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a little bit of the basics < 1346611101 677849 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like lisp, python, php, ruby, java which you can learn the basics in less than a week < 1346611164 16877 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the basics are that difficult < 1346611187 720516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mr. oman < 1346611217 987184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each program is divided into divisions. There's a division for information about the program, a division for things such as files that will be accessed, a division for declaring all variables that will be used, I think there's other divisions, and there's a division for the actual instructions that will be run < 1346611244 569092 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1346611249 265688 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last division is divided into I forget the term. Either paragraphs or procedures. < 1346611304 97295 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/cobol < 1346611319 638707 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are people who want to learn COBOL, and an article saying why you should learn COBOL < 1346611337 459232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cobol.com/ < 1346611357 950236 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't beleive in "why you should" articles. < 1346611357 978614 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's, like, MVC, man < 1346611373 229581 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially in "why you should learn" and "why you should beleive" < 1346611382 770939 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1346611422 943192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're always written by moralists. < 1346611436 38371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ih8u moralists" < 1346611501 792256 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Because there are always reasons for anything. < 1346611592 82644 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sponsors of every language can tell you each 20 reasons to learn their language. < 1346611608 123147 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some of them might even be the same. < 1346611688 326572 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 75% of the reasons are actually good reasons. < 1346611739 701412 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they are written from a personal viewpoint of the author. < 1346611779 141477 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"why you should not believe why you should articles" < 1346611782 591592 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ultimatively biases it. < 1346611793 119598 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Nice one ;) < 1346611823 706380 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are a COBOL programmer I'd actually want you to give me reasons NOT TO learn COBOL < 1346611849 282423 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if there are few reasons not to learn it, then I actually might. < 1346611863 684150 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: uh, of course the articles are biased, you have to take that into account when you read it < 1346611872 356039 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you in general refuse to read anything with an opinion < 1346611888 51961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I only read the unbiased weblog articles on the Internet. < 1346611890 94004 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If somebody really knows his stuff, he can tell me the weaknesses of it. < 1346611892 18079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a time-saving measure. < 1346611892 748732 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you will find a lot of information that doesn't contain opinion < 1346611902 893325 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Else he's just so biased of his language that I just won't listen to him. < 1346611914 522455 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: maybe that should be a different article though < 1346611916 362808 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1346611931 476208 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :biased or not, such articles can still make you aware of cool features that make the language worth learning < 1346611935 960417 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :note also, worth learning != worth using < 1346611937 878380 :nooga_!~nooga@178-37-138-66.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346611947 766466 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They provide an insight, yes. < 1346611950 894773 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed. < 1346611960 483531 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's write a "Why you should learn brainfuck" < 1346611976 723063 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1346611983 349219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "why you should make a brainfuck derivative" article is what the wiki is missing. < 1346611985 892226 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when it comes to languages I'm more interested in knowing where they are bad at. < 1346611997 803934 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also different from "reasons not to learn it" < 1346612003 963410 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are being very sloppy with language < 1346612023 633368 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning a new (programming) language is generally not a bad idea I think < 1346612036 151269 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people focus too much on languages, anyway < 1346612049 572875 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think most interesting "Why you should learn $X" articles will not be about languages < 1346612055 203248 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-141-159.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1346612055 704108 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I really leaen cobol? < 1346612061 29502 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Agreed @focus too much on languages < 1346612071 611171 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd rather read "Why you should learn " instead of "Why you should learn " < 1346612092 678808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard d3.js was an interesting library. < 1346612100 641141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard that too. < 1346612104 886811 :subleq!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that too < 1346612110 108441 :subleq!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't figure out how to use it though < 1346612116 694356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps I just looked at some examples and thought that it looked interesting. < 1346612122 519601 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard boost::spirit was interesting < 1346612134 308215 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me 30 minutes to compile the first example though < 1346612137 350933 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard a damn thing . < 1346612142 634192 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the second one didn't work < 1346612157 544516 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I didn't try the third one < 1346612227 19709 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boost::spirit is interesting but don't try to use it for actual work < 1346612233 350079 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1346612234 800410 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just like C++, or Haskell" < 1346612252 635217 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mbostock.github.com/d3/talk/20111116/airports.html < 1346612258 91627 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I actually used boost::spirit::classic(yay!) for X.so < 1346612270 475851 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, that's esoteric work I guess < 1346612272 850543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, boost::spirit < 1346612285 57416 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :the classic version is actually nice < 1346612289 80184 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but v2 is not < 1346612342 768186 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1346612345 191480 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1346612825 493568 :Nisstyre_!~yours@bas9-hamilton14-3096717720.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1346612891 915126 :Nisstyre_!~yours@bas9-hamilton14-3096717720.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346612930 602668 :Nisstyre_!~yours@bas9-hamilton14-3096717720.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1346613077 311869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346613162 540156 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1346613610 49284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hardware NSF design fills up the $4018-$403F area exactly with no bytes left over. < 1346614958 460315 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1346615168 490049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn COBOL if you want to learn Common Business Oriented Language. < 1346615190 196634 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSF? < 1346615229 548925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is talking about the National Science Foundation, of course. < 1346615229 717174 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn COBOL if you love using global variables for everything. < 1346615237 507334 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something to do with the NES, I believe, nortti < 1346615243 518557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: NES/Famicom music files. < 1346615264 886494 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm "The COBOL 2002 standard includes support for object-oriented programming and other modern language features.[1] < 1346615265 90990 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1346615292 702144 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1346615442 787816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However the interrupt routine uses 30 clock cycles and I am unsure if this can be reduced, or how many clock cycles other hardware NSF players use, etc < 1346615472 232210 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, I've got a Wolfram Alpha account now < 1346615488 274615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I heard you can use it to dig into your Facebook. < 1346615502 2241 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the PRECISE reason I'm making an account < 1346615548 707963 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I might be wrong < 1346615597 255065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Inconceivable. < 1346616091 40677 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1346616266 883202 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my friends network I have 4 clusters of 2 people < 1346616381 887924 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore S would be for Sound < 1346616399 353552 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a completely separate cluster of 8 people < 1346616433 817435 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm fairly sure Gregor is in a cluster unto himself < 1346616445 708163 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if Nintendo changed their name to NES Corporation, the acronym would hold as NES Entertainment System Sound Files < 1346616487 836010 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346616509 564033 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like KFC Fried Chicken < 1346616517 183155 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346616638 111717 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/15/nyregion/chicken-little.html < 1346616807 470884 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i feel inauthentic when thanking people, especially bus drivers < 1346616835 459025 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1346616856 824163 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think because i figure i would say it anyway even if i wasn't thankful < 1346616867 460088 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it was a rule < 1346616914 30967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't thank bus drivers. :/ < 1346616915 704003 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. misread inauthetic as nausetic < 1346616924 298479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of rare here. < 1346616929 696424 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1346616933 924679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except when buying a ticket. < 1346616960 106952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not when just beeping the card at the machine. < 1346616971 914193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people say "thanks" when exiting the bus, but that's like less than 10% I'd say. < 1346616977 705286 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i mean when getting off the bus. yeah < 1346616992 789638 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346617006 206356 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1346617035 384915 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that i dwell on such things is probably cause for concern < 1346617044 60556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually the driver's all the way in front, and our bus conventions call from exit through the middle or the back door, so it'd need quite a loud "thanks", and that just feels out-of-place. < 1346617138 799557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finns are known to be really impolite, though. < 1346617150 248142 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i think what actually happens is < 1346617162 548212 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the politeness information is probably just expressed by other means < 1346617207 202536 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe thats being deluded of me though < 1346617209 975660 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1346617376 466933 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.151.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say thanks to the driver... Unless they're a jerk! < 1346617396 420588 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.151.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can't drink that on the bus, company policy" (soft drink / water) < 1346617400 708505 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the fact that some drivers are jerks reminds you they're human < 1346617466 887552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. I don't know if it's expressed at all. But I suppose it's a cultural thing and not the kind of thing that we'd be inherently more rude in a thinks-less-of-others sense. I don't think bus drivers expect to be thanked (when getting off) here, either, since it's not a Thing That Is Done. < 1346617539 512690 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah..... if i was more normal.. i wouldn't have made this a topic < 1346617559 230783 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my views are not representative of normal < 1346617622 160734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's no direct translation of "please" when you're ordering/asking for something, though you can sort of optionally use the thanking word as a suffix there. < 1346617685 120819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not especially rude to just say what it is that you're e.g. buying, without any extra frills. < 1346617839 986130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is not a day of national mourning in Helsinki, this is Finns in their natural state: brooding, private, grimly in touch with no one but themselves." < 1346617865 172083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So began a "60 minutes" US TV program, talking about how tango has landed to Finland. < 1346617873 110795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It caused a bit of a stir. < 1346617882 973519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This was in 1992 or something.) < 1346617901 784138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I heard the sentence, sampled, in some piece of music somewhat recently.) < 1346617962 15041 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, USA should begin by getting a proper name for the nation < 1346617995 556478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhxZoV3t61c -- it's... kind of disparaging. < 1346618006 569939 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in NYC there are signs in buses and trains reminding you that assaulting the driver will get you 7 years in prison < 1346618047 597093 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow those signs never get seen on tv :D < 1346618057 154135 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are pretty small < 1346618081 337627 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux's seccomp now lets you give a fine-grained specification of which system calls are allowed < 1346618086 986811 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :using... a Berkeley Packet Filter program < 1346618118 152931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The metropolitan area transportation conglomerate recently introduced a rule that all buses need to have this strong-glass pane that goes up to the ceiling in-between the driver and the passengers. < 1346618123 141718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To cut down on... problems. < 1346618136 550021 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its interesting that people refer to USA as either US or A or USA < 1346618164 84585 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the states" is a fun one < 1346618176 419956 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody calls it U < 1346618179 830637 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it isn't < 1346618213 103316 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Great Satan < 1346618236 187641 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose occasionally some might call it north america < 1346618246 814931 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other countries in north america... < 1346618256 803503 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but theres even more countries in america :D < 1346618263 251949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What, isn't Canada just some kind of a part of USA? < 1346618286 407280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :America's hat, or what do they say. < 1346618291 402622 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well once Barack Obama and the UN finish their conspiracy to create a united North American government with a single currency, the Amero < 1346618300 665141 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause there's nothing the US wants more than to be in a currency union with Mexico < 1346618324 304702 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's as if the sudanese referred to sudan as africa < 1346618332 639588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I did see someone calling USA "Canada's underpants". < 1346618342 948843 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: heh, yes < 1346618355 497597 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe im missing the point though... its easy in australia where the nation is literally a continent < 1346618365 784930 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the easiest possible naming system < 1346618376 646177 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Roman province of Africa was only a bit of Tunisia and Libya < 1346618391 867542 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this? this is the state of south australia, in the nation australia, in the continent australia < 1346618413 988977 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the words "state" and "nation" are super ambiguous too < 1346618415 956408 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :while we're at it < 1346618437 995551 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next to it is the state of western australia... and to the north is the northern territory territory of the nation of australia in the continent australia < 1346618487 898613 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the middle of new south wales is a usefully named territory called the australian capital territory which unsurprisingly is where canberra is < 1346618498 976188 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, what about New Zeeland and Papua New Guinea? < 1346618513 272936 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i forgot < 1346618515 37886 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crud < 1346618518 748022 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are in oceania < 1346618528 33783 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what oceania is < 1346618559 102695 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 1 of 3 countries of the worl: oceania, eurasia and eastasia < 1346618565 197007 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*world < 1346618572 346354 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so close.... < 1346618583 206116 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name utopia is crumbling < 1346618591 126439 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1346618632 42079 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading the first paragraph makes it clear that its pointless to discretely define oceania http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceania < 1346618833 663479 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346619119 654588 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.151.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't we at war with Eastasia? < 1346619124 967405 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.151.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it Eurasia? < 1346619151 217071 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eastasia. you have always been in war with eastasia < 1346619160 175046 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi from eurasua < 1346619167 393151 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eurasia < 1346619255 436791 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose they just make up these words as they go < 1346619306 720048 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically sets of nations which aren't constrained by being a landmass < 1346619371 181020 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, they probably enjoy the ambiguity by using a name rather than actually specifying a set < 1346619429 499794 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe so that noone knows what they're talking about < 1346619505 11823 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we are at war with eurasia" "...does that mean?" "no, don't worry you're not part of eurasia (fingers crossed behind back)" < 1346619534 277127 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well.. maybe the fingers don't have to be crossed < 1346619648 597407 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.151.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're allied with Eurasia :-) < 1346619681 749517 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have always been < 1346619699 37913 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking about "present company excluded" yesterday, this seems relevant < 1346619852 927363 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all men and women are holding this country back, present company excluded" < 1346619944 420208 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgh, I had to listen to the elaborately-synchronised orchestration to the end-of-Fringe fireworks on a 15 second delay because the local radio station's stream had such high latency. < 1346619961 389741 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1346620421 478400 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, except for the divorce, and another plot hole, I kind of liked the Doctor Who episode < 1346620448 159992 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eggs < 1346620450 183607 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :term < 1346620451 644434 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in < 1346620452 311069 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ate < 1346620579 77161 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Clojure there's some sort of discussion about the Eclipse Public License < 1346620595 60118 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How it's not GPL-compatible because it protects freedoms better, supposedly? < 1346620616 931981 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.151.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what plot hole? < 1346620626 100598 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The EPL, however, requires that anyone distributing the work grant every recipient a license to any patents that they might hold that cover the modifications they have made. Because this is a "further restriction" on the recipients, distribution of such a combined work does not satisfy the GPL.[" < 1346620640 505596 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, why would the switch to the forcefield be inside the asylum? < 1346620648 330208 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems unwise < 1346620706 440174 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.151.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only just seen it. We had a power cut from 7:10 to 8:30 last night. Then iPlayer wouldn't work. It's almost as they everything conspired to stop me watching... < 1346620731 742288 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :g2g < 1346620766 626175 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds great @EPL. < 1346621013 678715 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is hacking in front of huge monitors, drinking mountain dew and listening to infected mushroom < 1346621016 885726 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm such a cliche < 1346621429 71493 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes in the late hours i think about the passing of pets and family. and the social, financial and mental problems which cause regrets of how the time was spent compared to how it could have been spent < 1346621430 110848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drinking some infected mushrooms and listening to Mountain Dew. < 1346621445 941407 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i spend 15minutes with an actual human, and think, damn humans really shit me < 1346621557 917986 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds uncomfortable for both of you < 1346621588 413010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought GPL already requires a patent license? < 1346621725 280791 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well i think some of my regrets are caused by idealized memories of people < 1346621772 102911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The local possibly-largest computer hardware (and other stuff) e-tailer sells nowadays these "rare american" soft drinks etc. (like cherry cola and coke in aluminum bottle-shaped imperial-units containers and Snapple and whatever) because obviously people drinking that stuff are more "authentic". < 1346621776 262946 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a regret such as "how come i wasnt nice to that guy?" .. then the realization "he raised my blood pressure when he started talking" < 1346621780 288450 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a hypothetical < 1346621786 895378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also sell that Gamer Grub stuff. < 1346621869 805106 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/02/19 < 1346621909 636191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they had a couple others on the same theme. < 1346621921 668470 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: was his voice too high-pitched or something? I wonder how many decibels are needed to get one's blood boiling < 1346621978 838897 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: its easy to forget what annoying means when around _relatively_ unannoying people < 1346621998 176954 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh XD < 1346622045 113399 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: sometimes I forget what annoying means when around an annoying person who's particularly less annoying than usual < 1346622057 867664 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, hm could you actually cook stuff with sound? < 1346622091 60980 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could in theory < 1346622095 839911 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :practically though? < 1346622097 174749 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :science will answer to that question but she's busy at the moment < 1346622160 972366 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so this device would be soundproof, and have a heck of a lot of noise inside? < 1346622163 698464 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this could figure as an xkcd's "What if we used sonar cookers instead of solar cookers" < 1346622216 977850 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, indeed < 1346622224 986868 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, have they done that? < 1346622240 47955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, why does it need to be sound proof? Who cares about side effects :P < 1346622244 307452 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe have a way to concentrate the sound... "loud amplification by stimulated emission of resonance" < 1346622278 840004 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one form of annoying sound is eating with mouth open < 1346622287 556758 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, I'm guessing if we can have such a silly idea, there's a good chance someone has had it before < 1346622294 248061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think there are some ultrasonic heating based things. < 1346622295 158584 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the effects are mitigated if you yourself are eating with mouth open < 1346622303 609907 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a hearty way < 1346622319 296070 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you eat with mouth open? < 1346622324 123432 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh, really? that is awesome < 1346622329 318314 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :got a source for that claim though? < 1346622340 328935 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well the chewing after putting the food in your mouth < 1346622368 265319 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, it would fall out... < 1346622370 808141 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't work < 1346622382 360174 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it is sticky like some sweets < 1346622402 403717 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it worse the food is inside a paper bag which is inside a plastic bag < 1346622417 105487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrasound "Ultrasonic welding" < 1346622442 99662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some other things based on ultrasound-induced cavitation. (Which releases heat.) < 1346622457 689364 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1346622485 870313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The welding thing is a bit far from first connotations of "sound" though. < 1346622537 599566 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so loud noises are not so good for cooking < 1346622583 387203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't see anything that'd really be based on pressure waves in air (cavitation happens in liquids); I'm sure you can get *some* heat energy somewhere, but it doesn't sound exactly practical. < 1346622628 936914 :nooga_!~nooga@178-37-138-66.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346622718 122297 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone has made a patent for ultrasonic cooking apparatus < 1346622798 505832 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anything patentable that is not patented? < 1346622835 966724 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh it does sound... maybe not practical though < 1346622844 177983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: People keep patenting new things, so if we take as granted that all the granted patents are for novel inventions (ha!), sure. < 1346622912 95150 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it keeps corporations busy :D < 1346622917 275708 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lawyers < 1346623151 390360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever I make, I don't patent. This way it saves money. < 1346623179 169622 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they keep maintaining the pretense that the modern patent system has anything to do with invention, or protecting IP < 1346623344 831868 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to begin with, its a form of protection you have to pay for... < 1346623372 791455 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind of strange compared to most laws about protection < 1346623532 54862 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you don't have to apply to an agency and pay in advance for legal protection for your body from being beaten up < 1346623543 382489 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346623558 657461 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason, you just get legal rights for free when it comes to being beaten up < 1346623681 129501 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my question is what-if patents were free? < 1346623693 750812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe next time you get beaten up, you should tell them that you did not pay for legal protection < 1346623702 161893 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1346623710 350168 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1346623713 225604 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346623764 349057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1346623789 618465 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i am good at getting through life without fights, but part of that is luck < 1346624348 34756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I worship the god Eris <-- *godess hth < 1346624355 560012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops *goddess < 1346625093 248006 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1346625688 39483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan_ < 1346625692 315778 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1346625695 716986 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan < 1346625712 504424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1346625884 913360 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346626452 402475 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i worship the goatass eris < 1346626467 379511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1346626621 550363 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346626846 625219 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C, is there a better way to write while (1) { if (foo) continue; ...; if (bar) continue; ...; if (baz) continue; ...; return x; } < 1346626849 702116 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than goto < 1346626887 379469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's bad about that? < 1346626909 641430 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing's especially bad about it; I am just wondering if there's a better way < 1346626916 438930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. It's more of an if+goto than a loop. < 1346626918 149602 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems kind of silly to have a loop which only runs all the way through once < 1346626928 647069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1346626948 112582 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the loop receives packets and i want to return the first one which passes a series of criteria < 1346626962 196469 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are too complicated to be expressed nicely in a single boolean expression < 1346626975 29479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you put them all in different functions or something? < 1346626985 603037 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be too much code < 1346627025 12843 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you use the ?: operator? < 1346627080 326799 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not nicely < 1346627135 862472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :SHACHAF < 1346627235 787977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you use macros? < 1346627242 335517 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a macro < 1346627249 919 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not nicely < 1346627277 795970 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think separating your predicates out into their own functions is vaguely nice. < 1346627282 878620 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can use nested functions in GCC! < 1346627400 766711 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :socket(2) is a weird syscall < 1346627423 313637 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why shouldn't it be open("/dev/net/inet/tcp", ...) < 1346627486 595522 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that what it is in Plan 9? < 1346627512 892422 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1346627551 966842 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Networking was kind of hacked onto Unix, I understand. < 1346627598 778854 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you don't say" < 1346627609 840225 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNIX was kind of hacked onto Space Travel < 1346627616 694599 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The socket API (in particular parts of it, like sending fds over sockets and all that) is kind of terrible. :-( < 1346627632 379488 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i feel like there should be an achievement badge for that < 1346627635 461164 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sent a fd over a socket" < 1346627734 344222 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about "did it in order to do something useful"? < 1346627752 896305 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they did that at RDB at one point. < 1346627758 998885 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"does exploiting CVE-2012-0056 count as something useful" < 1346627776 832127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: while (!foo) { ...; if (!bar) { ...; if (!baz) { ...; return x; } } } /* YOU CAN THANK ME LATER */ < 1346627814 787937 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C idiom of flattening things out is actually nice. < 1346627830 191666 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean things like void foo() { if (!x) return; ... } < 1346627859 403764 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Surely it'd be more like open("/dev/net/inet/tcp/hostname/port") :) < 1346627900 580570 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1346627907 904879 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would replace some other syscalls too < 1346627999 718667 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash has that. < 1346628009 523222 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: Yeah, but it's not on the C level. < 1346628026 190172 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1346628365 824746 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know lexande_ has been to the place I lived in in WA? < 1346628594 615884 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1346628702 686296 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, just discovered a weird quirk in C99 < 1346628712 128502 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can put declarations anywhere, but you still can't put a label on one < 1346628776 278912 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, so you might have statements that you can't goto? < 1346628784 922687 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they're not statements, they're declarations ;) < 1346628794 78364 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though they can appear anywhere and can have arbitrary code as initializers < 1346628794 577770 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expressions. < 1346628853 782761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1346628895 597481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The macros in C are often not powerful enough < 1346628957 482353 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: foo: ; fixes that. :) < 1346629139 156396 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346629184 346096 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, good point < 1346629384 840451 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's a good label syntax. < 1346629386 251229 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo:; < 1346629397 524907 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it so looks like a typo < 1346629507 593144 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Now mind your tongue, or we'll have it out and throw the rest of you away, like a nightingale at a Roman feast. Took the very words out of my mouth. You'd be lost for words. You'd be tongue-tied. Like a mute in a monologue. Like a nightingale at a Roman feast. Your diction will go to pieces. Your lines will be cut. To dumbshows. And dramatic pauses. You'll never find your tongu < 1346629548 575151 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. foo: ; } is a way to get a label to the end of a function. :-) < 1346629572 105753 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo: ;) < 1346629578 968245 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1346629580 297711 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo: ;} < 1346629584 853010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: never find your tongu < 1346629598 832276 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : You'll never find your tongue. Lick your lips. Taste your tears. Your breakfast. You won't know the difference. There won't be any. We'll take the very words out of your mouth. So you've caught on. So you've caught up. < 1346629610 284314 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: y u no use splitlong.pl? It comes with your client of choice. < 1346629616 431223 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Sounds like work. < 1346629628 365831 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I need it when I have oerjan? < 1346629636 995911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRECISELY < 1346629661 48233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION proceeds to tie SHACHAF's shoe laces for him < 1346629662 834138 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ørjan is very useføl < 1346629665 526782 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mkdir -pv ~/.irssi/scripts && cd ~/.irssi/scripts && ln -s . autorun && ln -s /usr/share/irssi/scripts/splitlong.pl .) and /script load splitlong < 1346629689 824067 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude, it's actually pre-installed! < 1346629855 94496 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Why not just make an "autorun" directory? < 1346629888 297291 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m not sure /script load looks into autorun. < 1346629901 615592 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so one is for now and one is for next run? < 1346629918 796059 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:51 -!- Irssi: Loaded script splitlong < 1346629930 65944 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:45 Now mind your tongue, or we'll have it out and throw the rest of you away, like a nightingale at a Roman feast. Took the very words out of my mouth. You'd be lost for words. You'd be tongue-tied. Like a mute in a monologue. Like a nightingale at a Roman feast. Your diction will go to pieces. Your lines will be cut. To < 1346629936 95609 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : dmb shows. And dramatic pauses. You'll never find your tongue. Lick your lips. Taste your tears. Your breakfast. You won't know the difference. There won't be any. We'll take the very words out of your mouth. So you've caught on. So you've caught up. < 1346629941 795487 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that really say "dmb shows"? < 1346629949 292467 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :splitlong.pl is awful. :-( < 1346629959 677712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see whether this works properly and all according to specification like it very well absolutely and definitely should for sure, am i right of course i am you dolts just testing and HI's not a ctcp SHACHAF, try something that actually exists instead and maybe you might get an answer but only if i feel like it OKAY? have a good day and did this get long enough... < 1346629966 48221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's a no. < 1346629978 12107 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: HI is totally a CTCP < 1346629980 760533 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want proof? < 1346629982 569902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOWAI < 1346630043 125973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one send replies anyway? < 1346630084 195499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ... < 1346630084 997056 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ctcp shachaf REPLY HELLO < 1346630089 504499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasbestos < 1346630160 352538 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Sorry for lying. :-( < 1346630164 576680 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually /nctcp < 1346630368 483727 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Huh. splitlong never resulted in anything like the “dmb shows” thing when i used irssi. < 1346630691 709601 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346634250 961067 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAND flash chips are binned by cycles before failure < 1346634255 405732 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how they test that on a brand new chip < 1346634328 119318 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://picayune.uclick.com/comics/ch/1986/ch861126.gif < 1346634342 562034 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1346634392 839671 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You haven't hated on XKCD in, like, ages, man. < 1346634598 712346 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.151.82 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1346634824 549383 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the recent ones have been remarkably bad < 1346634833 916293 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just dumb in ways we have seen many times before < 1346634839 155888 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1346634846 410968 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even interesting enough to mock now? < 1346634856 420818 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the ultimate in mediocrity", reports area man < 1346634856 439378 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct < 1346634864 310915 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus i'm trying to be less negative, as a person < 1346634873 5277 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1346634875 382793 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my opinion of xkcd is well-known here by this point < 1346634884 672947 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no point repeating it, if i'm not adding new information < 1346634892 689746 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have been enjoying what-if.xkcd.com though < 1346634922 162302 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I put in an RSS feed for someone's birthday? < 1346634925 945104 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1346634968 284905 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I can put "Happy Birthday" in it. < 1346634986 132534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What are you still alive?" < 1346634996 584470 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're... giving them an RSS feed? < 1346635009 112959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very chic < 1346635013 417188 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I run a couple of RSS feeds that my father subscribes to. < 1346635028 339340 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I'll put a birthday thing in one of them. < 1346635038 879597 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are RSS feeds for web comics. < 1346635039 837731 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clever < 1346635047 697955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to change your name to Fire Void? < 1346635081 142444 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this SSD has dropped in price 50% since February < 1346635131 952133 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much does it cost now? < 1346635140 10398 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should get an SSD. < 1346635153 110795 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel 520 240GB, $230 at Newegg < 1346635172 650556 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should get a big external hard drive and do backups. < 1346635175 61077 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no backups. < 1346635176 138690 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by all reports, one of the best SSDs < 1346635179 756906 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes < 1346635185 351884 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should do off-site backups < 1346635195 6185 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have $50 of Tarsnap credit. < 1346635234 61783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a program to combine multiple .NSF into one .NSF file, although there are some restrictions, such as the input cannot use any expansion chips other than MMC5 and Namco 163, and the output will use the Famicom Disk System expansion in addition to the ones used on the input. < 1346636286 778478 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to invent backgammon card. < 1346637201 432220 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Official channel of PEZ | PEZ is the best candy. Why have you abandoned PEZ? | Do not fret, PEZ can forgive you. Give yourself freely to PEZ. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1346637271 66924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall assume this was simple substitution applied to a text containing the phrase "Jesus is the best candy." < 1346637322 509972 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'fraid not ;) < 1346637326 263031 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just eating PEZ. < 1346637342 128446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ATE JESUS? YOU BASTARD! < 1346637358 835788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Doesn't everyone? < 1346637373 798554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that communion thingy < 1346637379 933740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never been do it < 1346637381 635626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to < 1346637416 270466 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the new, hip Catholic church, they use Charleston Chews instead of crackers. < 1346637490 463983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you know that canon law forbids them to do that? (Well, they already violate canon law by not having a pipe organ, so...) < 1346637506 627360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good, although i shall assume it's sickly over-sweet per my american candy stereotypes < 1346637524 97806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pipe organs are mandatory? < 1346637540 773940 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cannon law trumps canon law < 1346637543 69532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although many churches do not have it anyways. < 1346637550 302172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have thought they were quite hard to get by around jesus' time < 1346637564 588604 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's nougat and chocolate. It's actually one of the least sweet American candies, I'd say. < 1346637573 899679 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mass-produced, that is. < 1346637575 601121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is true; but it is not Jesus' time today! < 1346637591 354054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but surely canon law is eternal! < 1346637605 301457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, actually they do sometimes change it. < 1346637607 168489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is supposedly lutheran protestant, anyway < 1346637613 95030 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION points cannon. < 1346637621 49636 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think you mean, CANNON law is eternal. < 1346637623 793522 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees with kmc. < 1346637660 438549 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why aren't you in #cslounge-trains? < 1346637666 716711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, {en:canon, en:cannon} = {no:cannon} < 1346637670 15412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1346637671 777968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1346637676 979658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, {en:canon, en:cannon} = {no:kanon} < 1346637684 806921 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah < 1346637823 856574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_organ contains no mention of "canon" or "law" < 1346637846 376102 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it common to demonstrate an esolang's Turing-completeness by writing a Turing machine? < 1346637873 851663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Look at the wiki you can see which ways are more common. < 1346637884 998714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shall assume zzo38 belongs to The Holy Catholic Communion of Righteous Canadian Pipe-Organ Appliers < 1346637936 768102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i have done it (e.g. some of the fragment proofs for Underload), but whether it's the simplest way depends a lot on the esolang < 1346637964 295828 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm wait I was thinking "write a turing-machine that interprets the language" but that doesn't prove anything < 1346637986 354694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you want to choose something that has already been proved TC, and which is easy to interpret in your language < 1346637994 157509 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346638033 837426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be turing machines, but other nice possibilities are lambda calculus, ski calculus, underload, bitwise cyclic tag... < 1346638034 876219 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when I said "by writing a Turing machine" and you answered you had done it you meant you have written an interpreter for a turing machine in a esolang? < 1346638098 627793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i actually did was make a general procedure for translating a turing machine into an underload program containing only ~:()^ commands (iirc) < 1346638119 138224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, also minsky machines, which i needed to get rid of the ~. < 1346638168 303363 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I'm confused - I always thought that "being Turing-complete" was a formal way to describe what we'd thought of as "can do anything" but apparently you don't need input/output to be turing-complete, which is a bit weird since basically I am the kind of person who'd think that any programs that does not give a result is equivalent to the null program < 1346638187 94392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example for fueue underload was a very good fit, since it had very similar pieces even if they worked bizarrely differently < 1346638267 360820 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: nope < 1346638282 33688 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Turing-completeness is usually defined by accept/reject < 1346638292 609871 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Turing machines are < 1346638293 278288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: we have this sort of "I/O-complete" or "brainfuck-complete" idea floating around in our community for when you want to consider I/O. < 1346638296 22556 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a program that does not give output would be like a machine inside a black box - it may be working hard and compute a lot of stuff, but from the outside it's no more than a black box) < 1346638312 760085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: i _do_ like to allow more than single-bit output if possible :P < 1346638326 858725 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but single bit is all that is strictly necessary from a computation perspective < 1346638375 29572 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two are almost exactly equivalent < 1346638396 298426 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they are equivalent but I'm tired < 1346638402 929114 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do agree, I prefer programs that can do I/O < 1346638446 472041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: well the thing is that you need some notion of inital setup, and final result; these include _both_ the program itself and ordinary i/o, but apply to many more general systems that don't have i/o. e.g. pure lambda calculus has only a concept of reduction to something like a normal or weakly normal result which is still a lambda expression < 1346638506 738449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the initial setup is the lambda expression you start with, encoding what you want to compute, and the result is the reduced (weakly or strongly) normal form < 1346638531 703351 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so you're considering the final state of the machine as the output? < 1346638537 751100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1346638538 124356 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that works for me < 1346638570 29448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a turing machine that's the usual way, also including the final tape if you want more than accept/reject < 1346638758 357196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall the Bitwise Cyclic Tag page suggests you want to include all the deleted bits as output < 1346638786 241432 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: see the busy beaver function < 1346638803 719099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: oh also brainfuck is rather popular to interpret, for brainfuck derivatives that's often the simplest way of proving TC-ness < 1346638835 884220 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also write a thing that compiles brainfuck to your language < 1346638840 979286 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you can prove the compiler always works < 1346638851 356337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, actually i meant compiling < 1346638894 30057 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing a compiler for a TC language *in* your language isn't sufficient, though. :-) < 1346638904 650045 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1346638906 190416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed not. < 1346638912 900295 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION writes a C to C compiler in 'cat' < 1346638941 854057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not necessarily for the compiler to be written in your language either < 1346638947 903437 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh? What's the text of your cat program? < 1346638949 149382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only to have it as target < 1346638952 734800 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only ever manage to write quines. < 1346638956 401052 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1346638980 83954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*necessary < 1346638989 603431 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Malbolge the best esolang? < 1346639002 565773 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thank you guys that was certainly enlightening < 1346639002 583713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not TC... < 1346639015 277283 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1346639020 97107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night < 1346639023 81329 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, neither is ISO C. < 1346639027 95334 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Are you telling me you can build a time machine but you can't cook a cheese soufflé? You've got your priorities all wrong! < 1346639051 564390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: clearly Malbolge Unshackled is the best, then. < 1346639062 337246 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :malbolge shrugged < 1346639240 391967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is saying this mainly in the hope of some day finding someone willing to try programming it < 1346639274 161547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a TC proof would be nice too, i guess. < 1346639448 787358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it might help _slightly_ if i actually updated it to compile in ghc < 1346639861 484992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("Today's strip is brought to you by the number %lX.\n", 184594917); < 1346639863 896139 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today's strip is brought to you by the number B00B1E5. < 1346639868 227521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic. < 1346640630 51837 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346640971 724286 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define HV_LINUX_GUEST_ID_HI 0xB16B00B5 < 1346641025 976664 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hex constant chosen for HV_LINUX_GUEST_ID_HI was offensive, update to use < 1346641026 140975 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the decimal equivalent instead. < 1346641048 767543 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346641076 391308 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1346641149 32362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0xB16B00B5 < 1346641150 69645 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2976579765 < 1346642512 46755 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI ION < 1346642532 526475 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIFT YOUR CASE < 1346642566 141489 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DON’T HAVE A CAPS LOCK. :-( < 1346642606 705937 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FTL SEEMS LIKE A VERY NICE GAME. BUT NOW I’LL GET SOME SLEEP. < 1346642614 122370 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: /nick ION < 1346642621 338292 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT’S NOT CAPS LOCK DAY YET. < 1346642863 861290 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :192.168.1.NaN < 1346642881 110650 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, floating point IPs! < 1346642882 859838 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's perfect. < 1346642895 693727 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the exponent would represent. < 1346642935 511547 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: PHP? < 1346642978 789086 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me < 1346642986 757957 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :got this on the admin interface of a wireless router < 1346643089 720291 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1346643093 913803 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1346643305 435898 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1346643539 406352 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346643989 457476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please help me with the RogueVM document < 1346644202 676930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How easy would static analysis of 6502 machine codes in a .NSF file be? < 1346644219 33223 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends on what you want to analyze. < 1346644321 598804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To figure out what RAM is used, to figure out bankswitching is used, and to decompile it and recompile it at a different address. < 1346644400 12584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things are known not to be used. < 1346644583 429356 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recompiling at a different address may not be needed if you can simply know which ROM/RAM is free, and what it uses to do bankswitching. < 1346645043 838074 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: splitlong just did it again! < 1346645317 982820 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346645942 486723 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346646096 883967 :Nisstyre_!~yours@bas9-hamilton14-3096717720.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1346646171 113767 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346646302 32059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1346646472 561655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Are you someone making .NSF musics? (I fail to remember exactly) < 1346646492 154865 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Distance / ACK Timing: Sets the approximate maximum distance in meters from which clients can connect. May be useful in preventing distant "cantenna leeches" from connecting." < 1346646523 791094 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That seems likely to break. < 1346646528 66369 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346646538 719658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: O, that is what it does? Can they set the power for distance? < 1346646555 288796 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean? < 1346646569 259389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall reading somewhere that they could not send an email message more than 500 miles away, due to speed of light and time limits set in the configuration. < 1346646575 474592 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah I do songs for famicompos < 1346646585 71699 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using it to nsf converters < 1346646606 510278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I have written a program to combine multiple .NSFs into one .NSF although there are some restrictions. < 1346646650 23699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see my .NSFs at http://2a03.free.fr/?p=pub&dir=zzo38 < 1346646662 880522 :Nisstyre_!~yours@bas9-hamilton14-3096717720.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1346646680 635333 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me if you like any of these musics? < 1346646698 228842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you made any .NSF with multiple tracks or only one track? < 1346646712 817594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What expansion chips have you used? < 1346646721 27125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you used multiple expansions at once sometimes? < 1346646734 495404 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimme a sec, have to reinstall a nsf player winamp plugin :D < 1346646745 466325 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done vrc6 and vrc7 < 1346646763 942803 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "nsf with software mixer" :D < 1346646777 3973 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't do the software mixer, just the song) < 1346646785 158607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once tried to write a software synthesis in a .NSF file but I could not get it to work. < 1346646812 362002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what I have written and got to work is a ZZT music player .NSF file. < 1346647005 216288 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like wizardry.nsf < 1346647007 864674 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1346647017 404001 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be better with drumsamples tho :D < 1346647110 647320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it might be; viewing 00README.txt it will tell you none of them use DPCM samples at all (yet); I may later make some including DPCM, or make new versions of existing ones too < 1346647117 314480 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh another trick, when you play the same note on two channels it's best to very slightly detune them :D < 1346647137 815531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All .mml files are public domain you are free to modify if you wish. < 1346647154 713970 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: OK, I may do that. < 1346647196 358326 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :layering is especially nice on the vrc7 < 1346647218 975973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean by layering? < 1346647220 16231 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get like 3 layers going with detuning and one being played slightly late < 1346647235 958657 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing the same melody on multiple channels but with slight differences < 1346647245 565409 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like two different instruments < 1346647252 561172 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or detuned < 1346647254 768083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, yes I can understand that. < 1346647260 993262 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or one with vibrato and one without vibrato < 1346647296 743435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, yes, that too. < 1346647345 251535 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not done those but I have done some similar things; you can see the .mml files to see exactly what is done, if you want to. < 1346647496 667221 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1346647578 117686 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read the 00README.txt? < 1346647659 109751 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should try famitracker < 1346647705 162392 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use it but the other modshrine (virt, coda, chibitech, etc...) guys swear by it < 1346647707 948811 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Famitracker; my brother uses that. I happen to like PPMCK, and I have made a lot of improvements to PPMCK as well. < 1346647771 391415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know, Famitracker can only use one expansion chip at once. < 1346647792 573057 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you music doesn't have enough vibratos and volume slides and note cuts and bends etc :D < 1346647837 489260 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a tool where doing these things is easy and you can hear what you're doing very fast so you can put effects all over the place < 1346647843 2202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it does not have a lot of those. But that is just because I did not put them in. < 1346647866 769218 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a tool where putting them in is easy < 1346647879 345868 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your tool makes it hard you're never going to fill your song with them < 1346647924 773241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I am going to use them, I will add commands for those things more easily in PPMCK; although for now I can find entering the volume manually is easy enough. < 1346648027 418093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I need them I will add those features, of course. One feature I have added recently to PPMCK is the ability to enter DPCM samples inline (instead of loading from a file); I might use that. Features I have added a while ago include * and ? commands, and I now use those a lot. < 1346648287 125905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people prefer MCK, some prefer Famitracker, and some other people like NerdTracker. < 1346648296 611816 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly nerds < 1346648307 712041 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought nerdtracker was really old < 1346648311 584205 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kinda buggy < 1346648326 838294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is really old. < 1346648333 862246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about it. < 1346648345 546015 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I know is that when I tried it, it crashed :D < 1346648438 657060 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also gotta learn how to alternate long and short notes < 1346648502 384978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some musics I am writing more recently (not posted yet) I do use some crescendo, trill, and so on. < 1346648515 547209 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1346648525 981800 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more percussion? < 1346648582 360839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trills can easily be written using the EN command. I am not very good at percussion, although I have tried a bit and "internationale.nsf" is using percussion although the original I took it from had none (I made up the percussion myself), but still only noise and not DPCM. < 1346648612 215332 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's still lots of stuff that can be done to help noise :D < 1346648623 557929 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like have unequal volume on hihat lines < 1346648649 221978 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have snares have a really short burst of low low frequency noise < 1346648665 535958 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then switch the normal med~hi frequency for the tail < 1346648679 265702 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe try to give it a nice volume envelope < 1346648709 490429 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe you; but like I said I am not very good at percussion. I understand chords and that stuff because I studied it, but not percussion. < 1346648806 394478 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true that it's harder to get info for percussion < 1346648835 984071 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've analysed stuff like samba percussion and it's pretty complex :D < 1346649144 611806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The music I have composed myself is "zzo38_1" and it has no percussion, but it does include chords and moment of silence, and a few other things. I wanted to include some minor chords too but I ended up including only major chords (although there is a V/V (applied dominant) chord in there). < 1346649170 310611 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :o < 1346649187 853823 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno I though it was major chords that were an aquired taste :D < 1346649203 580914 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my music minor dominated for like years and is probably still most common < 1346649225 554535 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have included the chord numbers in the file; mostly to help me to write it but also if people want to look < 1346649240 36762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Did you write music in a minor key, or in a major key, though? < 1346649248 20010 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :minor key < 1346649280 710397 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's harder to use minor chords in major than major chords in minor, true :D < 1346649309 539194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chords in minor keys is more complicated. < 1346649327 179053 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think so? :D < 1346649337 952611 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bass is easier to write tho < 1346649406 665842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes it probably is harder to use minor chords in major than major chords in minor. In major key, minor chords are II, III, and VI (I wanted to use VI). In minor key, you can use the natural, melodic, or harmonic (usually harmonic, so that the major dominant chord is used), so you have more chords although that also makes it more complicated. < 1346649443 30415 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta admit stuff like III isn't particularly useful < 1346649493 288402 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I always though the natural vs melodic minor stuff was overanalyzed < 1346649516 881743 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just pick the one that sounds the best for the particular thing you're writing on the spot < 1346649526 567036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is one way to do it. < 1346649548 556630 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda like picking which flavor of candy you want to eat :D < 1346649725 515387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The books I studied use lowercase for minor and diminished chords, although I don't use that because it is difficult when hand-written. Some people just always use the uppercase and don't indicate major/minor. I use the uppercase, but when it is important to indicate major/minor/diminished I will write that too: + for major, - for major, x for augmented, o for diminished. < 1346649750 328210 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use "m" for minor < 1346649761 665446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In major keys it is rarely necessary to write that; but in minor keys it becomes more useful to write them) < 1346649767 93101 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I IIm7 V7b9 < 1346649786 175320 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially I use jazz chord notation together with roman numerals < 1346649789 915546 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: When writing the letter name of the chord I will use m for minor, but when writing the number I will use - for minor. < 1346649822 659814 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1346649825 390927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I normally use the roman numerals when I am writing music, though.) < 1346649826 224071 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah II-7 is also common in jazz notation < 1346649896 556943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the music is written in a major key I won't bother writing II-7 and will just write II7 since it is understood that it is minor. (If I do need to indicate it major, I can write II+ but often it will be V/V instead of II anyways.) < 1346649916 27533 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I don't use V/V < 1346649925 153309 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's ambiguous with inversions < 1346649970 291657 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I V/VII I7/bVII IV/VI IVm/bVI I/V V7b9 < 1346650065 330272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you just write V6 and so on for first inversions? < 1346650187 983981 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it's confusing it with, well, V6 < 1346650203 638661 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(G B D E for G6) < 1346650324 872299 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I use the notation I won't mean that; when I write V6 I mean the V chord in first inversion. I will write it something else if I mean what you are doing such as calling the E a non-chord tone or something like that. At least, this is the way I do it. You can do it your way if it works better for you. < 1346650411 849212 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just take jazz notation and replace letters with roman numbers < 1346650420 570466 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMHO the most consistent notation < 1346650446 108122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well OK. I am using the classical notation since that is what I have studied. < 1346650470 155766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course jazz notation works too, and so does jazz ntoation with roman numbers. < 1346650517 530333 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like how classical notation is inconsistent with sharps and flats < 1346650523 65608 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how they depend on your key < 1346650529 551839 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I do not think jazz notation with roman numbers is common; do you know if anyone other than you uses it?) < 1346650541 42806 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mark levine < 1346650546 372091 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jazz theory book < 1346650630 947074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes I know. I generally don't find it necessary to write the sharps and flats in the chord notation, though. Things other than the chords themself can be written with non-chord tones, and may be circled for reminder (sometimes it is also written what kind of non-chord tone, such as in analysis; I don't find this necessary). < 1346650679 756913 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok how do you write Valt7 in classical notation < 1346650709 313128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that means; I don't know jazz notation very well. < 1346650710 22346 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In, say, Bb minor < 1346650724 199172 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt7 is a 7th chord with a bunch of alterations < 1346650744 368603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I found it on Wikipedia. Let me look what it means. < 1346650773 530423 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically b9, #9, #11, #5 < 1346650830 812564 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irl it's usually played as 7#5#9 < 1346650877 428570 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :F♯ A♯ ∞ < 1346650891 838887 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So Falt7 is something like A, Db, Eb, Ab in the keyboardist's left hand while the bass plays F < 1346650916 678677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1346650997 97023 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: lexande_ has all the train answers. < 1346651003 949615 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :regarding? < 1346651036 42535 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trains. < 1346651045 399842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems that "altered chord" in jazz could mean more than one kind of chord, according to the Wikipedia article. < 1346651071 126257 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically? < 1346651108 135815 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: irl the classification is something like < 1346651117 656988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have never thought of writing such altered chords, but if I do I would probably just indicate that it is being altered and write the alterations on the notes rather than the chord notations. < 1346651122 982560 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"does it have a #9?" < 1346651136 502020 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ie a major third and minor third at the same time) < 1346651161 210144 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if yes -> does it have a normal 5th or a normal 6th? < 1346651175 311360 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it does, then it's a 7#9 or a 7b9 < 1346651193 740250 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it has a #5 (aka b13 aka b6) then it's an alt7 < 1346651273 424888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1346651400 278740 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in jazz chords are often classified by which scale you play over them... alt7 is played over the so called "super-locrian" scale (C Db Eb E F# Ab Bb) < 1346651473 830722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1346651882 249284 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah that's the reason I like jazz notation... you can write classical chords in jazz notation easily, but not vice-versa < 1346651912 152731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK; that is good for you then. < 1346652027 249317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also invented cadence symbols (books I have seen just write out the words) (I have once suggested this to someone to forward my suggestion to the Royal Conservatory): P for perfect, P with a slash through it for imperfect, PL for plagal, D for deceptive. Circled for closed, a half-circle around for semi-closed, and no circle for open. (What I am calling "perfect" here is sometimes called an "authentic" cadence, but I learned "perfect") < 1346652118 516828 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember what semi-closed was < 1346652253 498032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Semi-closed means one or both chords are not in the root position or the second chord does not have the tonic in the soprano. < 1346652306 784139 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was imperfect :o < 1346652366 515630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is also called imperfect; there are two different terminologies for cadences. < 1346652403 81404 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1346652407 725502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know why this is, but it is.) < 1346652491 500491 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I didn't use closed cadences at all when I was younger but now I do :D < 1346652630 650836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written some music which I did not put into the computer because it is too short. < 1346652883 50123 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's why I use a tracker < 1346652891 516530 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that I can write music on the computer :D < 1346652947 314715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My music "zzo38_1" was written directly on the computer, though. I did not use paper for that one. < 1346652962 154572 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That is why the chord symbols are included in the comments.) < 1346653064 278521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also written some music in the QBASIC PLAY command, without using paper or anything else. This is not polyphonic, though. But I have done so both using the built-in PLAY command for standard music, and my own PlayBP subroutine for Bohlen-Pierce. < 1346653153 538530 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://madbrain.devzero.co.uk/the_tomato_soup_case.mp3 <- this only has open cadences I think < 1346653165 255520 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: ho god bohlen-pierce < 1346653199 36866 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to use tools with a faster feedback loop < 1346653243 101987 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irl keyboard, midi sequencer, tracker, anything < 1346653398 751863 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no clue when it comes to composing music < 1346653422 279249 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a learned skill :D < 1346653442 614532 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear god no < 1346653444 19042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it easier to just write out the music first and then make corrections later. I do have an electric piano but I don't usually use it to write music. My father *only* writes music by playing it on the piano. < 1346653496 606915 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: what, you sing notes to yourself first until you have a melody that you like, then write it down? < 1346653499 412127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some composers were deaf and could still write music. < 1346653539 616284 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: yeah the classic beethoven thing but those are special cases < 1346653550 32229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Generally I just think about it rather than singing it out loud, but generally yes. Sometimes I will write the chords first though, and sometimes a combination of the melody and chords. < 1346653587 279423 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I will play it on the piano or computer, and if it is no good I will adjust it. < 1346653644 950981 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you know about koji kondo and nobuo uematsu? < 1346653661 682874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some things about them. < 1346653665 195821 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1346653697 647798 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude do you know about mitsuda yasunori, the chrono trigger dude? :D < 1346653703 950047 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't. < 1346653717 264612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1346653736 752883 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recently got chrono trigger for my hacked ds though < 1346653751 721697 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that will probably be a positive experience when i eventually < 1346653774 208106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When adding the percussion to the Internationale, I just added it based on seeing (not hearing) the dissonance in the music and writing percussion based on that. I don't know if that is the correct way or whatever to do percussion, but it sounded OK to me and to my brother. < 1346653835 92928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is how I do music. I don't do it live like many people do; I prefer the old way. < 1346653858 878552 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :old ways are probably the best < 1346653876 988833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Well, to me it is anyways; other people may prefer other ways. < 1346653888 952866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc int main(void) { unsigned buf[12], i; for (i = 0; i < 3; i++) { asm("cpuid" : "=a"(buf[4*i]), "=b"(buf[4*i+1]), "=c"(buf[4*i+2]), "=d"(buf[4*i+3]) : "a"(0x80000002u+i)); } puts((char*)buf); } < 1346653893 764996 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 6128 < 1346653900 794648 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always like to be bitter and cynical about ways of game design (while indefinitly procrastinating doing it myself) < 1346653900 965443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The truth is revealed! < 1346653907 886108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe it wasn't such a secret.) < 1346653922 460584 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual way of composing for percussion is something like telling the drummer "I want a bossa beat" < 1346653924 320520 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end < 1346653925 67326 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1346653960 853712 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: it could have the kind of military marching snare beat thing < 1346653969 991106 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i got a legitimate version of warioware diy. that has a feature to compose music. < 1346653980 208534 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only a few seconds worth i think < 1346654021 675778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Perhaps that is how they do it. But like I said I don't know much about percussion so I just did it by dissonance. (You can see and/or hear the percussion I have used if you want to.) < 1346654038 678215 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :..... < 1346654052 23691 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew when i was a child that nintendo was a seriously big deal < 1346654077 472403 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 years later, nothing has changed < 1346654098 953250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know very well whether a bossa beat or this beat or that beat is better. < 1346654115 201357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, it is not only by dissonance that I did it by; I did it by rhythm and dissonance.) < 1346654133 566489 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: usually it works by style < 1346654139 577602 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346654155 271524 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :swing jazz gets swing beat, bossa gets bossa beat < 1346654178 154025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What gets the "fat beat" I've been hearing about? Fat musicians? < 1346654203 946950 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :metal gets the drummer pounding the kick with his double pedal like it's a pinata :D < 1346654285 52044 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1346654366 338153 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if i was living alone, i would use the freedom to build instruments out of odds and ends < 1346654397 951758 :nooga!~nooga@77-253-23-159.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346654409 439268 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fusion jazz gets this complex break-beaty bossa-nova-ish swing-ish im-more-intelligent-than-you drumming :D < 1346654410 141521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it is sort of like what I have done with rhythm, so it may be march or waltz time or whatever, although I have also done by dissonance. < 1346654410 659273 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but living with family, it becomes inappropriate to do such things < 1346654436 410226 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :march time? < 1346654439 137869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably you (and/or other people) can do percussion better than I do; I am not very good at percussion. < 1346654450 522841 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: every object can make music < 1346654464 180984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Yes and I have sometimes done so as well. < 1346654465 319493 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: you need a tool where it's easy < 1346654482 348150 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like proper DPCM support or something :D < 1346654496 565552 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a couple of nice kick and snare samples that hit hard :D < 1346654511 324047 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that when making instruments the goal is to provide a finite set of sounds the instrument can make, which can be composed together < 1346654512 30810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have DPCM samples so I used noise instead. < 1346654546 546784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually I do have the ZZT DPCM samples. But they may not be that good of quality compared with proper drums.) < 1346654561 203630 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus: every object can make music but not every object can play in equal temperament over 2 octaves with multiple different nuances :D < 1346654588 259699 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: my favourite source is old MODs < 1346654612 192268 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes they have killer bass and drum samples < 1346654617 333181 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: my rants of always stating the obvious < 1346654619 149639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Well I do have some of those, so I can look and convert to DPCM and see if it is good. < 1346654619 317673 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially snares < 1346654649 764214 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the awesome ones that sounds like an explosion every 2 beats :D < 1346654656 994431 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1346654673 758682 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know much about drums so I don't know what kind of drums to use, whether I had a drum kit or not. < 1346654680 478631 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kick < 1346654682 353659 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :snare < 1346654685 407469 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hihat < 1346654688 603160 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the bass < 1346654704 478521 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hihat needs lots of high frequencies tho so it doesn't work well on DPCM < 1346654710 194728 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you wanted to make an arcade game, is microswitches and joysticks good, or is it just traditional? < 1346654713 172479 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's easy to do with noise tho < 1346654732 486565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, but I think I will go to bed now because it is late, but thanks for information. < 1346654733 398013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: zzo38 < 1346654745 599273 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iti: eh? < 1346654754 192233 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that its made for resilence < 1346654777 319514 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my domain of competence :D < 1346654784 296254 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a keyboard nut tbh < 1346654792 899980 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arcade machine peripherals designed to take heavy damage :D < 1346654801 538854 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :designed for use by jocks < 1346654943 14863 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1346654952 739669 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a TAC-2 in a box somewhere; it's a Totally Accurate Controller. (Sort of irrelevant, because it doesn't have microswitches; it has a ball.) < 1346654976 10876 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: my train of thought was, what would PC be like in arcade? how would it differ from internet cafe? oh crap it won't differ from internet cafe < 1346655113 15160 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they have some specific industrial strength components < 1346655119 182858 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to deal with dust < 1346655122 439101 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and being always on < 1346655139 928580 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's also why they used roms for the longest time rather than disks < 1346655283 284367 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magnetic disks, especially floppies, were really quite fragile, yeah... < 1346655296 217280 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ROMs still worrk. < 1346655307 784902 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mask ROMs probably will for centuries. < 1346656264 237382 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still i suspect theres room for innovation in arcade game interfaces < 1346656499 28846 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can think of a few inventions which would be absurd. a digital billiard table, where the entire table is a graphical display and some kind of sensors detect what the queue is doing < 1346656563 889512 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :such a system would have the advantage of allowing AI opponents < 1346657404 958144 :nooga!~nooga@77-253-23-159.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346657446 138600 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346657560 717982 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1346657580 588646 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the tactile response of actually hitting real balls :D < 1346657646 727903 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1346657689 640843 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i believe that a humble ball provides more accurate physics than what a super computer can muster < 1346657968 367481 :nooga!~nooga@77-253-23-159.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346658396 511178 :nooga!~nooga@77-253-23-159.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1346658636 17290 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1346658636 222829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1346659021 39626 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346659791 169851 :nooga!~nooga@77-253-23-159.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346659886 81273 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1346661465 136654 :nooga!~nooga@77-253-23-159.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1346662089 948307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346664733 970147 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346665072 215811 :Eladith!~eladith@gzrrplox.kortex.jyu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346665539 978326 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346666031 93335 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346667188 552313 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346667348 210381 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346667420 512563 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346667420 882143 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346667780 20312 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346667827 584859 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's anyone alive who met Eddie Morton < 1346668734 763082 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1346669244 484488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1346669258 4995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346669427 845049 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1346669644 210007 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346669723 27593 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1346670179 395877 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346670885 975675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346670891 670393 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346671150 1965 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1346671230 576462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CTCP] Received CTCP-PING reply from ais523: 77 seconds. < 1346671236 552377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's going to be one of /those/ days again, isn't it? < 1346671508 472534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: also, that was really difficult to do in this client, I had to copy-paste a literal control-A < 1346671537 493814 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: whoa, dude, that's weird. < 1346671542 345107 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:24 CTCP hi reply from ais523: < 1346671547 998966 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never gotten one of those before. < 1346671553 632973 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually it's a fancy NOTICE thing. < 1346671555 82951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: it was awkward to send in this client < 1346671564 244811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try giving it an argument < 1346671578 206016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that work? < 1346671590 450960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a big SHACHAF there. < 1346671609 221934 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: / /nick FIZZIE < 1346671614 195421 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1346671616 742630 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore the / < 1346671622 132704 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: /nick AIS523 < 1346671663 938704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't wanna. :( < 1346671681 969835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CTCP] Received unknown CTCP-WHOADUDE IT STILL LOOKS WEIRD, MAN request from SHACHAF. < 1346671696 215457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides not to send a reply < 1346671738 25853 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[CTCP] Received CTCP-PING reply from ais523: 1,346,671,725 seconds. < 1346671750 35250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because I sent myself a ping backdated to the epoch < 1346671751 204162 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of seconds. < 1346671752 812049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than connection trouble < 1346671758 843504 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google 1,346,671,725 seconds < 1346671759 556388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Result Found. < 1346671768 309034 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it'll be about 42 years. < 1346671836 435531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 years 9 months 3 days and around 12 hours < 1346671840 216728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on how this works with timezones < 1346672016 196248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PING argument isn't specified, so sometimes with two different clients connected to a bouncer you get rather funky PING replies as seen from the client that didn't send the request. < 1346672045 39375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some send seconds since epoch, some milliseconds since epoch, some seconds + space + micro/nanoseconds. < 1346672438 543936 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346672649 309964 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346673072 612478 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.151.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346673493 509799 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) < 1346673686 159031 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1346674259 307697 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rereading some Freefall: http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff2100/fc02009.htm < 1346674293 759821 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a while later: http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff2300/fc02227.htm < 1346674361 21042 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346674807 366830 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346675069 229292 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1346675683 500677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346675700 118393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346675706 313463 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-131.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1346676882 266062 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346676882 996182 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1346676885 943878 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1346677267 307976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1346677377 138344 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asAppliedTo :: (a -> b) -> a -> (a -> b); asAppliedTo f _ = f < 1346677425 750620 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let asAppliedTo :: (a -> b) -> a -> (a -> b); asAppliedTo f _ = f in (1+) `asAppliedTo` 0.5 < 1346677426 786515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Fractional t) => t -> t < 1346677516 922996 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let asAppliedTo :: (a -> b) -> a -> (a -> b); asAppliedTo f _ = f in (1+) `asAppliedTo` pi < 1346677517 931968 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Floating t) => t -> t < 1346677528 310247 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let asAppliedTo :: (a -> b) -> a -> (a -> b); asAppliedTo f _ = f in (1+) `asAppliedTo` ceiling 2 < 1346677529 309712 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Integral t) => t -> t < 1346677555 131230 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let asAppliedTo :: (a -> b) -> a -> (a -> b); asAppliedTo f _ = f in (1+) `asAppliedTo` (snd . properFraction) 2 < 1346677556 132056 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b. (RealFrac b) => b -> b < 1346677572 887354 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let asAppliedTo :: (a -> b) -> a -> (a -> b); asAppliedTo f _ = f in (1+) `asAppliedTo` significand 2 < 1346677573 889563 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (RealFloat t) => t -> t < 1346677609 430133 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (1 +) < 1346677610 430874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Num t) => t -> t < 1346677669 821965 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of a way to get a Real constraint using this method < 1346677720 419684 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scaleFloat 2 3 < 1346677721 496414 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12.0 < 1346677729 303818 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scaleFloat 8 1 < 1346677730 341203 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 256.0 < 1346677762 554948 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (`scaleFloat` 1) [1..10] < 1346677763 580150 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2.0,4.0,8.0,16.0,32.0,64.0,128.0,256.0,512.0,1024.0] < 1346677953 660631 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let q = id in (id 1, id 'a') < 1346677954 699678 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (1,'a') < 1346677978 926923 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let q = id in (q 1, q 'a') < 1346677979 928509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (1,'a') < 1346678400 893703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346679203 883204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346679222 266442 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346679397 362716 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-226.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346679432 190366 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1346679984 766640 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-232.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346679989 804137 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-226.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1346680091 372278 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346680091 538229 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaargh < 1346680101 113239 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1346680102 556058 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1346680337 519381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1346680341 234152 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346680359 384220 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1346680838 258006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1346680860 8654 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346680955 445750 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346681103 829662 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1346681604 130282 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.151.82 QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk < 1346682202 812109 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346682384 374509 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1346682553 284389 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1346682655 145111 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1346682960 824937 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-131.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1346684296 560645 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346684323 874136 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1346684677 482447 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1346684701 528556 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of my two favourite webcomics, one started when I was 14, the other when I was 6 < 1346684709 280940 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What could this mean? < 1346684716 341532 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, not 6. < 1346684717 547080 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :7. < 1346684957 917733 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346685257 469439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Your new favourite webcomic will be started when you turn 28, unless you already are. < 1346685280 184468 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what webcomic? < 1346685327 824355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: 18:05 < atriq> Of my two favourite webcomics, one started when I was 14, the other when I was 6 < 1346685340 13545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The 6 was later fixed to be 7.) < 1346685344 412995 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck and IWC < 1346685356 96610 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346685360 181503 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1346685361 251090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (*2) 7 -- your new favourite webcomic start ages < 1346685362 420467 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [7,14,28,56,112,224,448,896,1792,3584,7168,14336,28672,57344,114688,229376,... < 1346685368 165621 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I turn 28 in 10 years 2 months today < 1346685386 298725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully you'll live to see the one that starts when you turn 229376, I hear it's quite a good one. < 1346685407 297079 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will they still have webcomics in 2890? < 1346685415 719853 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :who will tell < 1346685425 843671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose they'll be some kind of direct neural-fed qualiomics, but anyway. < 1346685429 843600 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :a time traveler, perhaps.. < 1346685447 213664 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will they still have webcomics in 2050, for that matter < 1346685471 947531 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, in 2050 the internet will be about to disappear < 1346685477 980189 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like the minitel has < 1346685529 468367 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1346685534 803968 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it returns in 2890 < 1346685544 371636 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's conceivable that IWC has readers younger than it. < 1346685574 530506 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it bad I use GHCi as a calculator? < 1346685657 456057 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1346685683 340441 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it has 3 different exponentiation functions by defualt! < 1346685691 919428 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ((^),(^^),(**)) < 1346685692 917881 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b a1 b1 a2. (Num a, Integral b, Fractional a1, Integral b1, Floating a2) => (a -> b -> a, a1 -> b1 -> a1, a2 -> a2 -> a2) < 1346685723 614639 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do not find that is a problem, then it doesn't matter < 1346685727 133725 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably a feature < 1346685728 975829 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a problem < 1346685733 777503 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a feature < 1346685740 82421 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They represent slightly different things < 1346685766 441034 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the word "feature" means "intentional problem", does it not? < 1346685785 81563 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^) is raising to a non-negative integer, (^^) to any integer, (**) to any real (ish) < 1346685787 664277 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@info Floating < 1346685787 869883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating < 1346685795 197076 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, lambdabot < 1346685799 30209 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@info Applicative < 1346685799 195385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative < 1346685799 736616 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t [(^), (^^), (**)] < 1346685801 34283 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Floating a, Integral a) => [a -> a -> a] < 1346685816 775433 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay unification < 1346685846 716141 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't they just overload one of these operators? < 1346685857 668236 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell isn't like that < 1346685864 456240 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1346685886 277325 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t toInteger pi < 1346685887 358612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a' in the constraints: < 1346685887 523996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `Integral a' < 1346685887 542634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `toInteger' at :1:0-11 < 1346685928 635063 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (pi, toInteger pi) < 1346685929 809297 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a' in the constraints: < 1346685929 970090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `Integral a' < 1346685929 988541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `toInteger' at :1:5-16 < 1346685937 874179 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let x = pi in (x, toInteger x) < 1346685938 877800 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a' in the constraints: < 1346685939 44421 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `Integral a' < 1346685939 63071 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `toInteger' at :1:18-28 < 1346685942 575850 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1346685950 536330 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't look nice < 1346685950 867007 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point is, it's impossible < 1346685960 601701 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For something to be both Floating and Integral < 1346685972 26828 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so overloading doesn't exist? < 1346685990 436143 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1346685997 632516 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know there is something called overloading < 1346685998 976272 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it uses a kind of polymorphism < 1346686010 263952 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is for 1 function < 1346686026 406166 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait that was called polymorphism < 1346686039 328287 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should use run-time dispatch now < 1346686046 980883 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :for OO-languages < 1346686056 735386 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*imperative OO languages < 1346686159 305286 :nooga!~nooga@87-205-235-220.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346686175 959680 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet jerkcity has readers younger than it < 1346686183 612356 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would appeal to 14 year olds < 1346686332 372995 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/im-comic-sans-asshole < 1346686433 134783 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gutenberg actually only improved typography < 1346686444 422359 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koreans could print stuff earlier < 1346686486 756131 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was important though < 1346686512 360439 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he replaced the wooden shapes for the characters with iron shapes < 1346686516 995887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346686699 104182 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The world's first known movable-type system for printing was created in China around 1040 A.D. by Bi Sheng (990–1051) during the Song Dynasty;[1] following that, the first metal movable-type system for printing was made in Korea during the Goryeo Dynasty (around 1230)." < 1346686712 118480 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Korea < 1346686719 578147 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually pretty sure it was Korea < 1346686737 468900 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that had the actual first thing to print) < 1346686737 684113 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://achewood.com/index.php?date=11242004 < 1346686742 892583 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hacked by chinese < 1346686760 430391 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess I learned it wrong then < 1346686907 214819 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'The Chinese government should definitely maintain hacked.gov.cn and provide little validation badges like that "TRUSTe" thing so you can confirm that a site really has been hacked by Chinese.' < 1346686931 47830 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346687178 369987 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1346687247 14658 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1346687392 424446 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346688182 653372 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.68.215 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346688990 554618 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-84.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346688991 713813 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-232.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346689362 431085 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1346689394 632808 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1346691311 98952 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-144.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346691406 143949 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-159-84.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1346691730 524414 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.68.215 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1346691915 29034 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1346691946 218326 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346692406 944785 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1346692445 817682 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-187.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346692655 124580 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-146-144.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1346692957 929669 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346693520 80560 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-49.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346693567 216523 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-148-187.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1346695225 523061 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346695501 552288 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-17-190.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1346695590 700338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346695590 804264 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346695590 965081 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1346695590 983608 :ais523!~ais523@cpc6-king9-2-0-cust765.perr.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Changing host < 1346695590 983786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346696360 219490 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1346696408 120762 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1346696642 595132 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.68.215 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346697185 991527 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346697490 320398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1346697727 969683 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346698765 334236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what IRC channel(s) they would know better of the stuff I am asking for RogueVM? < 1346699047 860912 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C++ suffers from problems causing reasonable-looking sentences to cause listeners to snap and try to kill you" < 1346699051 743066 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As my friend Jacob Gabrielson once put it, advocating Object-Oriented Programming is like advocating Pants-Oriented Clothing." < 1346699073 107144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that how it works? < 1346699127 2187 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1346699203 637201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object oriented programming can sometimes be useful for some things. I do not believe it is best for all things. < 1346699338 754627 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think one problem is it's easier to think about objects than it is to think about computation < 1346699367 726716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think it is always easier. < 1346699403 2033 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any fool can start thinking up object names < 1346699441 159424 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't necessarily make it easier or more sensible. Sometimes the name will be no good. < 1346699443 238781 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, like, understanding oop alone won't enable you to write an OS < 1346699457 885703 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:10 < itidus21> any fool can start thinking up object names // and now I'm going to try to find why that message was hilighted < 1346699522 766153 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. hilight for foo < 1346699540 189212 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha... < 1346699593 554579 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here is my Scheduler class, it is a member of my OS , all i have to do is fill in the members and i will be all set < 1346699611 178769 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :better throw in a GUI class < 1346699707 899858 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no tidus, you should use design patterns. or else you're doing it wrong >:) < 1346699787 48450 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i just want to fill in the members.. i don't have time to study patterns < 1346699806 705764 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we all hate you!!!" < 1346699886 188868 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*phew* < 1346700035 280000 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but whether the name is good or not is subjective, which gives the fools ground for argument < 1346700119 152830 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: did you ever write a scheduler < 1346700120 158956 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or an os < 1346700121 866342 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any code < 1346700173 454349 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm arguing why oop may get a bad name, using myself as an exhibit < 1346700212 451044 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i didn't write a scheduler.. even the theory of them was probably too steep for me < 1346700230 431858 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1346700240 16126 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1346700251 59078 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need much theory to write a simple scheduler < 1346700290 680775 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-49.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naive schedulers are pretty simple. < 1346700319 693007 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-49.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Process scheduling? Circular linked list of processes. < 1346700346 720122 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: my ability at coding is just a reflection of my life in general < 1346700351 192120 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-49.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't be ideal, but it's functional and really simple. < 1346700432 883867 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-49.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In general, you only need theory to do the clever bits of things. Just thwacking out something that works is mostly just a matter of effort. < 1346700459 726313 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-49.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: sans theory, you are going to be writing *really inefficient code* in certain cases. But it'll function.) < 1346700495 590889 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for what i think you mean by did i write any code, i didn't < 1346700544 706316 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some problems you can't solve at all without some theory < 1346700553 893835 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you can write a 3D renderer without understanding a little bit about 3D geometry < 1346700716 843581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1346700738 969309 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am quite an unhappy person overall. maybe some people accept what they can't change. in my case, what i can't change leaves me feeling trapped or whatever < 1346700756 941784 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people, i guess they don't feel there is anything they can't change except death and taxes < 1346700777 16891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...this channel is not big enough for both itidus21 and me in the mood i'm in. < 1346700777 222919 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1346700780 886325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1346700781 89452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest asked 3h 48m 23s ago: Isn't '.' right after '+' in the ASCII table? < 1346700799 501253 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but im learning im delusional! < 1346700807 482594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord <$> "+." < 1346700808 188186 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a wonderful idea < 1346700808 523144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [43,46] < 1346700834 473523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell AnotherTest No. + = 43, . = 46 < 1346700834 749443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1346700858 727714 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like thinking you are living in a warzone and then learning that it's actually just a construction yard outside making all the noise < 1346700886 384129 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the feeling of recognizing momentarily that one is infact deluded < 1346700886 922633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: when you say you are learning you are delusional, do you mean that your shrink is telling you that? < 1346700918 715320 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but if i may give you an example < 1346700942 62709 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once thought someone who i was chatting to on the internet was in my backyard with a gun < 1346700955 782353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i guess that's delusional. < 1346700970 298645 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this was because i used to hear rodents or possums on the roof, and thought it was someone climbing around up there < 1346700980 796027 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured since my house is next to a park a hobo was sleeping on my roof < 1346700992 648732 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: maybe you would feel better about yourself if you spent your time talking about something you do understand < 1346701008 252479 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than saying wrong things about programming and then telling everyone how you're wrong < 1346701009 955988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you are australian and not this guy i use to talk with in real life... < 1346701020 237371 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ping me < 1346701029 487481 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1346701030 329005 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for itidus21 is Tue Sep 04 05:36:56 < 1346701040 761941 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure i could have changed my time to lie < 1346701042 788410 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again maybe you do actually understand programming and are just depressed or something < 1346701043 88844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was a joke, he would never be able to pretend to be you) < 1346701068 211802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wouldn't even be able to find this channel without my help < 1346701162 747446 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i understand the basics.... i can do small simple problems given enough time.. but once it gets into topics like math or unix , i have absolutely no clue < 1346701214 361933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i attract delusional people, presumably a plot by the universe to make me realize i'm delusional... < 1346701246 496176 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for functional stuff, i suppose that what happens is i have been not actually trying to do it, but searching for elusive meanings to it, like some grand idea < 1346701265 983076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also attract people who are willing to tell me i am, and thereby make me stop trusting them when i actually thought i needed their help. :( < 1346701326 106552 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i am also fiercely in denial about not being a genius < 1346701394 573064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: well chances are, merely from being on this channel, that you are smart enough to convince 50% of everybody you are a genius. < 1346701427 68300 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. i can throw words around pretty well! < 1346701441 450964 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have absorbed a lot of vocabulary at the least! < 1346701460 984472 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1346701468 120843 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :throw Word < 1346701512 772885 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1346701521 298949 :Eladith!~eladith@gzrrplox.kortex.jyu.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1346701521 760707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no great genius without some touch of madness. < 1346701522 929245 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(throw 'word) < 1346701527 390316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn housemate, don't ramp up the music volume < 1346701561 11706 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you really don't want to see the sort of "code" i produced in the past when trying to make a game.. < 1346701575 205916 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why it's so bad < 1346701580 898506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I do want to see. < 1346701584 769429 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because i avoided getting feedback on it < 1346701598 662745 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just learned like a wolf in the wild < 1346701601 6917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: maybe you are doing cargo cult programming... < 1346701618 813139 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1346701621 981058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to make something which _looks_ like programming, without knowing what it actually is < 1346701740 748801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn maybe i'm doing cargo cult living < 1346701769 745891 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm not sure what the best way to show code is < 1346701783 213685 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fake it 'till you make it < 1346701808 847043 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if i just post a random ugly chunk of code on pastebin < 1346701829 177077 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, sprunge is better. < 1346701848 683535 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use winxp... i don't know that kind of thing < 1346701866 837059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In addition, doing so, you won't show anyone who doesn't want to see because posts to sprunge are not listed in public) < 1346701902 221793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the trouble is i don't really want to live in the way everybody keeps advising me to do, _nor_ am i smart enough in that aspect to find my own way < 1346701925 684157 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which way do they advise you? < 1346701950 891067 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well.. maybe another day! < 1346701998 208792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: as close to "normal" as possible. < 1346702005 588264 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but which aspects of "normal" < 1346702032 112856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, too painful to discuss < 1346702035 136112 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1346702037 18525 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck < 1346702049 124612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :2999 Funny Things To Do To Your Opponent's Computer: < 1346702054 821984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Remove the plug and replace it with a fake plug. When they ask you what's wrong with their computer, tell them this: "I was trying to fix your computer for you, so I opened it up and looked inside, and a lot of the wires inside weren't connected, so I connected all of them, and then I turned it on, it was all smoke..." When they go to the store to fix it, they will realize that the computer is working fine, it is just the wrong plug. < 1346702062 265970 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Make a program that keeps changing the system time to a random time every five minutes. < 1346702070 290400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Change icons to point to different programs than what they actually say. < 1346702079 17594 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1346702089 178292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Alter the spell-checker so that none of the words are real words anymore. < 1346702093 297491 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did that with our school computers < 1346702105 724865 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time i hex edited the school computers so the Start button said "Strat" < 1346702110 816407 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(switched paint and word) < 1346702111 390895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Put 0a program on their comp0uter that types0 zeros0 at r0andom times, and/0or0 displays r0andom error00 messa0ges at0 random 0times0. < 1346702122 543511 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Steal the ball from their mouse and play pinball with it. Tell them it is a pinball. < 1346702129 487419 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1346702137 955096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Get a screenshot of their normal desktop and then replace the background picture with it. < 1346702149 91057 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :done that < 1346702155 605170 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Open up the case and rub your dick all over the inside < 1346702180 136770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Put the monitor upsidedown and put a sensor in it so that if it is turned right side up then the picture is still upsidedown. < 1346702193 388849 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1346702193 539185 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1346702202 319976 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346702207 478926 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: where did you find those? < 1346702227 734964 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote most of them by myself; others were from other people I forget who. < 1346702234 701147 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1346702235 535117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also forget which ones) < 1346702271 308041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :# If there is more than one computer in the room, switch the keyboard inputs. < 1346702280 242513 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the list available somewhere? < 1346702284 511247 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :done that < 1346702291 356632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are in my FORTUNE file. < 1346702307 992355 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1346702377 569279 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well one thing is that i have always thought about computers as having an associated display < 1346702446 183356 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my conception there may be slightly wonky. like i do realize that theres other forms of I/O but i'm fixated on the monitor < 1346702514 944522 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, when learning about computers at some age or other i was pretty much dismissing anything which wasn't part of a video game playing system < 1346702517 153362 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Install sysinternals' BSoD screensaver and turn off the "mouse movement closes screen saver" option < 1346702538 36657 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1346702628 239297 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I can't find you fortune file on your gopher site. is it there somewhere? < 1346702649 497498 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i tend to rely quite heavily on existing software... < 1346702671 352093 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if i can't download the software to solve some task, i see that as being equivalent to not being able to do the task < 1346702680 346887 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently the file is not available; you can only request one entry at random. < 1346702687 762910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I may change that later) < 1346702691 576955 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time < 1346702692 248904 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1346702785 32755 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in reality i suppose i gotta say im the happiest overall i've ever been < 1346702800 592335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1346702804 876497 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, in the past, i got higher highs, and lower lows < 1346702807 611793 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i miss the higher highs < 1346702888 100028 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that one trouble i had was bumping into the wrong crowd online < 1346702938 86551 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no question that these were seriously fucked up people < 1346702980 392119 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow that chatroom pushed me over the edge < 1346703002 724649 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sort of insanity that i haven't been able to shake < 1346703009 9630 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346703173 75716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I like the tactile response of actually hitting real balls :D < 1346703181 76804 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe balls < 1346703184 638412 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :859) I like the tactile response of actually hitting real balls :D < 1346703199 987772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that won't survive but hey < 1346703220 473749 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mustn't dwell on it though < 1346703267 916056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep pondering whether to visit the dalnet #esoteric < 1346703291 83865 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1346703292 421395 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't < 1346703302 436396 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1346703332 773467 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1346703352 823415 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :start talkng about esolangs there < 1346703372 360954 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, its not as if they actually know anything < 1346703388 820873 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having said this i havent actually been to such places < 1346703415 870832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: i thought that was the kind of place you were referring to, which is why i mentioned it < 1346703437 511660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something vaguely recalled about buddhism < 1346703447 858267 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya, the yahoo buddhism chatroom < 1346703468 117876 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just not right in their heads < 1346703503 62368 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, ill put it this way < 1346703526 710753 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only danger of any such chatrooms or such is psychological manipulation < 1346703748 458922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346703869 11005 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at #esoteric@dalnet there are only 3 people (including me) and no ops < 1346703964 591462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1346703978 75303 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not meaning that esoterica is bad, but it is surely wild and volatile < 1346703996 20070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess my chances of finding the secrets to the universe there are essentially non-existent, then. < 1346704049 837500 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its kind of like the way that harley riders have some perception of being in gangs < 1346704249 338413 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1346704344 11419 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(killuminati) how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsiepop < 1346704358 188086 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(killuminati) please, serious esoteric answers only < 1346704367 283698 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@#esoteric < 1346704367 864575 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1346704431 660695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that clearly depends on how many angels can dance on it < 1346704453 710084 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. there you can see he has swapped the word questions with answers < 1346704502 349552 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume < 1346704522 216296 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nortti) (oerjan) that clearly depends on how many angels can dance on it < 1346704532 940143 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(killuminati) okay stop trolling < 1346704694 96596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only angels have the patience not to bite into it! < 1346704714 930637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :using their famous tootsie roll pop licking dance < 1346704829 937746 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't mean any offence to zzo, or anyone, when being negative about esoterica < 1346704875 364090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo cares about esoterica? < 1346704886 235402 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know :-D < 1346704904 129460 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i saw him quit i worried if it was something i said < 1346704923 865730 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think people often worry if it was something they said when someone quits after you say something < 1346704946 620985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1346704952 646993 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep < 1346704968 576466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY ARE YOU AFRAID OF MY SCARYCAPS < 1346705023 515098 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1346705039 338300 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is the yahoo buddhism chatroom like < 1346705049 602579 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it full of, like, westerners who call themselves "buddhist" but know nothing about buddhism < 1346705053 790798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo managed to get all into the astrolog program purely (afaik) for the astronomical calculation possibilities < 1346705120 548547 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i think someone joked about when "they" finally wake him up < 1346705143 644734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er what < 1346705151 808346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wake who up < 1346705167 70062 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs wake up < 1346705192 567357 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.14704 < 1346705213 530439 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hmm.. .... i don't even know how to answer that... it was too weird to explain < 1346705278 602225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: that will only find the literal string "wake up", btw < 1346705299 451617 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had proponents of various forms of buddhism, platoists, a lot of arguing, sex lies and video tape :P < 1346705329 831577 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: probably yes, :P < 1346705428 207561 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs finally*wake < 1346705442 272145 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.7876 < 1346705460 848851 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1346705462 355995 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i write that query wrong? < 1346705474 839565 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs finally*wake < 1346705481 691302 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.18790 < 1346705491 728696 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe just no results < 1346705500 185228 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs *finally*wake* < 1346705504 599734 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: nothing to repeat \ http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.8439 < 1346705619 194372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: it's .* not * in regexps < 1346705644 122160 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs .*finally.*wake.* < 1346705651 639473 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1346705657 669518 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.28185 < 1346705659 178112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's no need for it at the beginning and end < 1346705661 217739 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt think that one out carefully < 1346705677 800741 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it didn't seem to hurt much < 1346705704 597062 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs wake.*zzo < 1346705710 976178 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.17009 < 1346705725 763669 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs zzo.*wake < 1346705733 220796 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.3525 < 1346705765 953207 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that one has me on the trail < 1346705915 492865 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2012-07-30 @ 01:14:20 < 1346706009 48841 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats all. really :P < 1346706069 497824 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nortti) (oerjan) using their famous tootsie roll pop licking dance < 1346706076 259869 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1346706088 149788 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :** VenusSatanas has joined #esoteric < 1346706223 853376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what horrible grammar, it should be VenusSatanis < 1346706244 140625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1346706248 199331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe not < 1346706273 201971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't copy that, right? >:) < 1346706314 27361 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I copied it < 1346706338 819965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats nortti- -----### < 1346706350 569289 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why" < 1346706380 796061 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have copied everything you havevsaod about that < 1346706520 339925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn the latin link in wiktionary doesn't work < 1346706595 770402 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or it could be intentionally wrong < 1346706633 533512 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an example of my delusions at play < 1346706723 493651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it can be either Satan or Satanas, but neither has a latin wiktionary item < 1346706743 53356 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a latin dictionary, but yeah... < 1346706748 799675 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the headwords alone aren't enough < 1346706787 229546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is obviously nominative singular so _should_ be the headword < 1346706818 227840 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@ < 1346707447 309975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: spam < 1346707493 387712 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(@^roshi) Boo < 1346709131 715587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1346709916 7685 :nortti-!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: night < 1346709930 252307 :nooga!~nooga@87-205-235-220.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1346710022 132503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1346711964 715177 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1346713734 622986 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1346714306 376042 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.68.215 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1346717334 948941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can "a is equal to this formula's Godel number" be implemented in Typographical Number Theory? < 1346718015 441398 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't that the whole point of Typographical Number Theory? < 1346718452 492708 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: Not really; they specified a formula to mean that itself is not provable; this is different. < 1346718617 65728 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in order to do that, you have to be able to talk about the formula's Gödel number. < 1346718651 891349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1346718661 56257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey I'm going to dump lines I need in here < 1346718662 593171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s/' < 1346718697 541801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM < 1346718701 299981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I deleted some spam today! < 1346718704 685116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means it's alright. < 1346718705 387887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1346718808 84834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: -- do I need to care about this? < 1346718809 512683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Pipermail assumes that message bodies contain US-ASCII text. < 1346718809 531407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Change this option to define a different character set to be used as < 1346718809 531593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# the default character set for the archive. The term "character set" < 1346718809 531703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# is used in MIME to refer to a method of converting a sequence of < 1346718809 531817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# octets into a sequence of characters. If you change the default < 1346718810 381541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# charset, you might need to add it to VERBATIM_ENCODING below. < 1346718884 619440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you know about Postfix? < 1346718888 832725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are these virtual domain things? < 1346718987 59432 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:33 TODO: -- do I need to care about this? < 1346718987 114937 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:33 # Pipermail assumes that message bodies contain US-ASCII text. < 1346718987 115112 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:33 # Change this option to define a different character set to be used as < 1346718989 905470 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:33 # the default character set for the archive. The term "character set" < 1346719019 217145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: Who are you? < 1346719026 802292 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm shachaf. < 1346719030 256513 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't tell anyone!) < 1346719053 628590 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't get welcomed in here for some reason. < 1346719062 549863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME shachaf < 1346719066 423689 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1346719228 32858 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:33:29 < elliott> # Pipermail assumes that message bodies contain US-ASCII text. < 1346719233 477351 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good grief, what is this, the 80s? < 1346719365 128338 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys < 1346719384 105557 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I'm in the middle of making a language but it's not complete yet, should I make a wiki page for it or not? < 1346719390 495821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the haskell.org pipermail definitely does _not_ format non-plain-ascii readably, i've noticed. < 1346719422 896921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: tradition says YES NO YES NO < 1346719424 275183 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote elliott unsafeCoerce < 1346719424 439862 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott says: I like how edwardk's answer to every question always goes "most abstract solution to the problem possible --> microoptimisation details". I swear I've seen him go < 1346719424 606617 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :from category theory to unboxed types and unsafeCoerce in a single line of IRC. < 1346719437 938880 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm that's an interesting answer oerjan < 1346719450 643600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Good grief, what is this, the 80s? < 1346719452 421482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1346719470 203982 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess i'll wait till it's a little more presentable < 1346719475 621527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: we will appreciate if you use preview rather than saving every tiny change, however. < 1346719492 626555 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes of course < 1346719502 56283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: I will present one guideline: the first version of the page should contain a little more detail than http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Ragaraja&oldid=33401. < 1346719525 441448 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I'll try to top that < 1346719544 989858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE < 1346719550 523144 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is their a name for languages which are based on data structure which behaviour is random? < 1346719622 624972 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: though it seems that older version of that page contain more details < 1346719646 121958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the oldest version of that page, in fact < 1346719665 732889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So what's up, I am out of the loop. possibly out of several loops. all of the loops? < 1346719736 279312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well Fueue has been up, several interpreters and programs were written, include a TC proof (by guess who) < 1346719759 545084 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was kind of weird < 1346719763 49884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*including < 1346719784 53612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess... SHACHAF. < 1346719812 751836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think atriq's interpreter is linked yet. (that's Taneb btw) < 1346719822 145035 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wake up one morning, check the fueue page, and it includes a section saying that it is turing complete... I come here, ask people what happened, and apparently the only sign was oerjan saying "another day, another TC proof" before going to sleep < 1346719823 749460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a very ... something ... guess. < 1346719858 141855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know about atriq. I'm not *that* out of the loop yet. < 1346719863 857472 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope I can see only mines on the page and I would very much like to see atriq's < 1346719869 74541 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very capital guess < 1346719878 724867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: oerjan likes to surprise us like that < 1346719885 478612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty sure i mumbled something about underload (minus S) possibly being convertible to fueue before that < 1346719917 964893 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Huh? < 1346719933 711618 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i found a truth machine in fueue on the truth machine's page, was that you? < 1346719936 60127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: Huh what? < 1346719947 485204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't think that was me < 1346719954 179113 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1346719982 621768 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I had an idea for a language where variables are shuffled every now and then < 1346719990 477711 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has that been done before? < 1346720000 983147 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What's wrong with guessing that I did a TC proof? < 1346720008 348953 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it because I don't care about esolangs? < 1346720009 52933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no Taneb did the truth-machine back in february < 1346720014 703135 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1346720016 929644 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1346720043 460909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: it's not what i was hinting, anyway. < 1346720053 699717 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, variables are shuffled, like "it's annoying but deal with it, and try to prove that this language is still usable" < 1346720096 647460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall precisely, there was one where the values of variables degraded... < 1346720105 495082 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like inflation? < 1346720142 512693 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can't find anything about "degrade" or "degrading" or whatever on the wiki, though) < 1346720158 217137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Nondeterministic may have similar languages < 1346720167 116701 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also it's 3am here and I vaguely remember 4 hours ago when I told myself "let's go to sleep now", so i'll be off) < 1346720182 807259 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally shuffling variables sounds original < 1346720218 564698 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well basically the date structure is a queue + nine variables (or another arbitrary number) < 1346720225 429233 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that there is no "pop" function < 1346720244 140337 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346720253 342671 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whenever one of the nine cells's value is 0, it is immediately filled with the next number in the queue < 1346720268 936505 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :immediately followed by all nine variables being shuffled < 1346720291 206775 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: /nick MONQY < 1346720303 302393 :hagb4rd!~perdito@p5797255E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346720303 467021 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1346720304 867692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: happy occasion < 1346720307 692474 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1346720308 28048 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1346720313 361663 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the occasion < 1346720315 740896 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Happy occasion! < 1346720316 992817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i died < 1346720321 923327 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It's time to capitalize on the occasion,. < 1346720335 597730 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick MONQY < 1346720338 904947 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, have a nice good end of the night or whatever time it is < 1346720339 32281 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: /nick ELLIOTT < 1346720345 186066 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: /nick OERJAN < 1346720345 726057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it's 2 am :( < 1346720371 487673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i cannot find the language i was thinking of < 1346720543 327944 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen several joke languages along the lines of "instructions have a random behaviour" but they were nothing more than jokes < 1346720578 927290 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :were they even jokes? < 1346720606 116107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is Sortle but it does the opposite of shuffling :) < 1346720664 699941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no the ywere odd jokes ha ha < 1346720666 238750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"•Each Sorted! program is, in fact, sorted, albeit randomly. Hence the name!" < 1346720719 92326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gerson kurz right < 1346720736 239968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346720933 251996 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric < 1346720965 447849 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused about Sortle < 1346720974 279756 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hello world example < 1346721000 507954 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When hello renames itself to "hello, world", doesn't that get re-inserted before quit, and so shouldn't it get evaluated again? < 1346721035 934959 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess I'm uncertain about where evaluation resumes < 1346721089 865430 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had a sort of idea, while looking at huby.. a language which enforces a specific coding style < 1346721170 325571 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of c or c++ in particular.. especially forcing you to use exact names for the arguments to main < 1346721220 316787 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so **argv would be valid, but *argv[] would be invalid and **argsv would be invalid < 1346721328 596356 :hagb4rd!~perdito@p5797255E.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only achieve the final state of sophisticated huby coding while beeing naked < 1346721389 864331 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. i was looking at huby and i thought... what if it had code around it to make it a c polyglot? < 1346721435 709761 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Quit: Changing server < 1346721445 444849 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i thought, what if you had to copy certain text exactly at the start and end of a huby program < 1346721785 388492 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 18:22 SIGCHAF: thanks < 1346721824 645706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: looking at the comments of the perl implementation, control passes to the next expression after the _new_ place of the currently evaluated one < 1346721837 804976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it was deleted entirely < 1346721842 785907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill -SIGCHAF SHACHAF < 1346721863 419815 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault (core dumped) < 1346721896 291493 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, spec should say that < 1346722525 17111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you put support to configure number of bits in a byte, in LLVM? < 1346722530 175346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked LLVM IRC < 1346722684 734147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did not respond to me. < 1346723161 15285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :RogueVM uses 32 bits in a byte so it would be useful to allow you to set bits in a byte to whatever you want, so this way it can combine for RogueVM, as well as systems with other numbers such as 36 bits, 7 bits, 18 bits, or whatever else it is. < 1346723212 636884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does it have a separate concept of words? otherwise why not just declare 32 bits to be a word. < 1346723230 220673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's 4 ordinary bytes < 1346723268 780070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you'd need to turn off byte-specific instructions somehow < 1346723282 586306 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone in here play Backgammon? < 1346723292 760420 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think I became interested in Backgammon because of here < 1346723457 13452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: RogueVM has no separate concept of words, but it calls 32 bits a byte, and 8 bits an octet. There are some instructions that deal with 64-bit numbers, but usually 32-bit numbers are dealt with. Addresses point to 32-bit words which is why it is called a byte. < 1346723502 890111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes those things about LLVM are the thing to consider; I would want it to be part of the machine specification, to specify the number of bits in a byte, defaulting to 8 (current LLVM always uses 8 as far as I know, and this cannot be changed). < 1346723650 654378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I know Backgammon; someone showed me how to play, once. I have thought of making Backgammon Card, too. I sometimes play on X-BIT. < 1346723705 274608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The backgammon against computer played on X-BIT does not implement the doubling cube, and the person who showed me how to play at first also did not know how to use doubling cube, although I have later read a book to learn what it means.) < 1346723747 721651 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Octets are mostly used in describing the file format of RogueVM (the file format is actually a ZIP archive). < 1346723763 177108 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-49.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You could just use more normal terminology: you deal in 8 bit bytes and 32 bit words. < 1346723788 140584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: A "byte" is defined as the unit that the address points to. < 1346723820 109550 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-49.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: A "byte" is more commonly defined as an octet, regardless of how addressing works. < 1346723869 49950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes that is also one way it is defined; but I use "byte" in the other meaning. (I think the PDP-11 or something actually had another different meaning of "byte" than these two.) < 1346723919 38317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for the comments anyways; perhaps I should mention it with "N.B." or something like that to avoid confusion. < 1346723935 591146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is currently mentioned in the introduction, but not with "N.B.".) < 1346724082 132071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346724578 493331 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346725581 34613 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a luck-involving game such as backgammon, do the future rolls of the dice count as "hidden information"? < 1346725723 599181 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1346725983 184197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i don't think so, no < 1346726822 211740 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1346726885 73217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t runST < 1346726886 263601 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (forall s. ST s a) -> a < 1346727538 303167 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346727565 891705 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1346728794 268887 :hagb4rd!~perdito@p5797255E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1346731216 158214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1346732358 557955 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346732499 968529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1346732521 923403 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1346732688 302268 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes feel like my thought processes are glacial: Slow but powerful < 1346732694 123222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the "slow" part that distresses me < 1346732707 931987 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I sometimes rely on cached mental formulas to do stuff quickly < 1346732726 618174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think slow sometimes (but sometimes faster) < 1346732740 11403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those other stuff too yes I do sometimes too < 1346732897 896443 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346733897 455934 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346735043 266366 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1346735389 275708 :Eladith!~eladith@gzrrplox.kortex.jyu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346735775 229824 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346735803 135130 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: seen kmc < 1346736669 501351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome elliott < 1346736670 684722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1346736672 20181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Eladith < 1346736673 558157 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1346736675 595126 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eladith: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1346737133 235615 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-10.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346737300 217599 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-49.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1346739369 258043 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: at least in my game theory book randomness and hidden information are different chapters :P < 1346739582 115903 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's only hidden information if it's not hidden to everyone? < 1346739922 880935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I do have some Postfix installations, if that counts. < 1346739992 838838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: too bad i worked it out i think < 1346739997 425652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why does it all suck and crap < 1346739999 93457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my real question < 1346739999 931326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of life < 1346740000 934885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1346740002 235136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sleep < 1346740031 439479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have life installations, so I don't really know about that. < 1346740069 312234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I added "N.B." for the byte meaning 32 bits in this document since it is an important note ("N.B." is Latin for "important note") < 1346740083 91441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.N. < 1346740107 551226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346740367 727358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Important, not." < 1346740807 133647 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346741599 515475 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1346741634 738606 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1346742441 221784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever made a C code including things like this: struct { void*x[sizeof(short)==2?1:-5]; } < 1346742468 769850 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile-time assert? < 1346742525 99325 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1346742558 270773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: Yes that is what it will do < 1346742572 807231 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think the conventional way to write it isn't quite like that. < 1346742580 381544 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not surprised that you would write it like that. :-) < 1346742612 24880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you cannot use sizeof in the preprocessor! < 1346742738 263828 :ozquera!~ozquera@91-67-47-96-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1346742762 608180 :ozquera!~ozquera@91-67-47-96-dynip.superkabel.de PART :#esoteric < 1346742780 689520 :nooga!~nooga@178-36-196-184.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346743094 144668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're writing C11 (I'm sure everybody is by now, it's already 2012!) you can write it as _Static_assert(sizeof(short) == 2, "my shorts are the wrong size"); < 1346743631 15610 :nooga!~nooga@178-36-196-184.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346745596 749640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346746286 280351 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346746678 390908 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346746687 6516 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "Juan de Vojnkov" someone on here? < 1346746693 668775 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Google+ thinks I may know him < 1346746918 693794 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god what is PEX < 1346746921 704091 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*PEZ < 1346747014 60840 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is it bad that I call the Windows key on my keyboard "the flag button"? < 1346747246 922966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By PEZ do you mean the candy dispenser things? < 1346747278 755042 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the thing that is referred to in the topic < 1346747288 559241 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which apparently has something to do with candy < 1346747289 432749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Well, it does mention candy. < 1346747289 766119 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe < 1346747318 579478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEZ are these spring-loaded things where you stack candy to, and then you turn the "head" of it, and candy comes out. < 1346747330 66180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of like killing small critters by twisting their necks, and then candy. < 1346747360 988628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hello_Kitty_PEZ_dispenser_open_II.jpg -- kind of like this in action. < 1346747388 59794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though from what I seem to recall, the candy used to be pretty much white always, no matter what the official flavour was. That's very pink. < 1346747428 153617 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How odd < 1346747440 754474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some Pez dispensers can sell for large amounts as collectibles. The highest verifiable sale of a Pez dispenser was a private sale of a Mickey Mouse softhead at $7000 between an Austrian dealer and a US collector." < 1346747458 887535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Conventions are also annually held in Austria, Finland, Sweden, and in the US in Missouri, California, Minnesota, Connecticut and South Carolina." < 1346747464 63091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Finland doing on that list? < 1346747466 598696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weirds. < 1346747490 651946 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're mixing Finland up with a thin lad < 1346747504 843063 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who collects Pezs < 1346747523 710620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, they sell also candy-only packages, so you can keep using your favourite dispenser. < 1346747551 463256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have a single PEZ device at home. < 1346747637 834724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for the key, I've heard it called the "logo key" by people who don't want to reference Windows, but apparently "flag key" is used too. < 1346747661 639941 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It confuses people who I'm talking to < 1346747668 442478 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I say "press the flag key" < 1346747672 237589 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The what?" < 1346747680 900377 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You know, the one with the flag on it" < 1346747689 171633 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, the start button" < 1346747695 661155 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yeah, on the keyboard" < 1346747801 214632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can start calling it the "super key", that's what it usually produces. < 1346747860 298544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Caution: Might also confuse people.) < 1346748322 626778 :nortti_!~logibotti@62-183-153-2.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346748372 428726 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was all I had to say < 1346748373 983449 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1346748376 190512 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1346750587 280957 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1346750622 855969 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1346751744 877664 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :shachaf < 1346752758 549038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :sHACHAF < 1346756685 269617 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs13950.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346757307 268474 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs13950.centertel.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1346757967 279424 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1346758724 134786 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346759453 516828 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346759512 11084 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346760004 934204 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346760023 843196 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan is http://esolangs.org/wiki/Entropy the language you were talking about? < 1346760024 424256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1346760246 591933 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346760340 575562 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1346760340 704176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages. < 1346760425 686955 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1346760472 905027 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346760656 563688 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: so I haven't seen your haskell fueue interpreter < 1346760707 814559 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing a thing with it < 1346760720 639641 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I really ought to make back ups, but I don't < 1346761303 974612 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PART :#esoteric < 1346761395 887090 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1346761742 40310 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-126-181.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346763473 547428 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah wait what < 1346763494 763424 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat is abandoned and XChat-WDK got renamed to HexChat and seeks to take over? < 1346763749 723465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former was I thought kind of old news. At least there hasn't been any releases in quite a while. < 1346763894 915834 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HexChat!? < 1346763909 392944 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For people from Hexham? < 1346764165 628466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For cursed people?! < 1346764180 211272 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For people cursed to be from Hexham!? < 1346764563 48559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fate worse than death?! < 1346764611 645767 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really < 1346764620 447114 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got a swimming pool and a bowling alley < 1346764627 632632 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a lot of restaurants < 1346764645 458071 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, unless you need tex-mex and want a 100m swimming pool, Hexham's pretty good < 1346764670 448563 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#hexham-tourist-board < 1346764784 296362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no tex-mex? I thought that was kind of everywhere. < 1346764793 258121 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1346764823 121038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was one in Järvenpää, which is kind of nowhere. < 1346764824 131450 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got French, Greek, two Italian (plus a take-away), Thai, Chinese.. < 1346764841 186264 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three Chinese and a take-away < 1346764842 858535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose it was kind of Tex-Mex/Finnish ice-hockey bar hybrid. < 1346764849 584314 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The take away has nice chips < 1346764850 957593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it did look a bit out of place. < 1346764875 156978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I suppose Järvenpää is larger, population 38,993. < 1346764913 684449 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't have a climbing wall, either < 1346764928 692660 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are two small football teams(!) < 1346765188 83565 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO TEX-MEX < 1346765189 751264 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :?!?! < 1346765206 811064 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1346765210 422916 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No fast food, either < 1346765220 339139 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? Wow. < 1346765228 617554 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe that's not so unusual for the UK *shrugs* < 1346765233 647638 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :McDonald's tried to open one, but they couldn't get planning permission < 1346765237 729318 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the US, a small town without some burger joint is incomprehensible. < 1346765238 603223 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is pretty unusual for the UK < 1346765269 810699 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. No fast food, and, because you're British, you don't know how to cook eggs. < 1346765273 905984 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the hell do you Hexhamites live? < 1346765283 379469 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slowly, and without eggs < 1346765307 978293 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course < 1346765330 886463 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to argue with that logic *shrugs* < 1346765353 185017 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got a few chippies, and they're kind of like fast food places < 1346765373 479183 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1346765694 807488 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even i can cook eggs.. i know 2 styles! hard boiled and fried. < 1346765752 934858 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad was keen on the idea of cooking eggs inside a sandwich maker, but that just doesn't work man < 1346765878 481924 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Fried” is at least five styles. If you don't agree, then you don't know how to cook eggs ;) < 1346765904 711023 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At lest six if you categorize “scrambled” within “fried”) < 1346765908 469103 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ill be specific, i know how to take a frying pan, put some oil in it, and break an egg into it < 1346765919 595931 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and end up with something edible < 1346765928 748018 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, even Brits can get that far, but they don't know how to cook an egg. < 1346765938 293441 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because {under,over} {easy,medium,hard} are all different. < 1346765978 604974 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they don't recognize that breaking a yolk can be a good thing. < 1346765995 221958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't know how to cook an egg either. < 1346766018 715152 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's reaaaaaaaally fun bringing foreigners to breakfast restaurants by the way. < 1346766027 410046 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“How do you want your eggs?” “... cooked?” < 1346766059 63323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though we do tend to have these "no-brand" in-a-non-mobile-trailer kind of fast food "places" quite often. < 1346766085 42921 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Food carts! Food carts can be FANTASTIC (or horrifying) < 1346766122 963450 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1346766123 305002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ours are on the determinedly non-fantastic end of the scale. Though I understand late night their queues make for the most popular places to get a knife in you. < 1346766155 970784 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super! < 1346766158 142504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least if you make the mistake of opening your mouth. < 1346766175 853428 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: the only brits I've seen cooking eggs took the frying pan, broke an egg on it, and then put oil on it < 1346766177 883476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grillikioski < 1346766195 969841 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: So they can't even get that part right??? < 1346766208 471093 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, if you ever find yourself in Portland, Oregon, do yourself a favor and don't shirk the food carts. < 1346766215 459732 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: oh, i at least took the effort of heating the pan first, and i got the oil out of a can with a broken nozzle < 1346766225 60078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What a coincidence: I'll be flying to Portland, Oregon this Saturday. < 1346766249 338825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then back out from there next... Thursday.) < 1346766251 834881 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: in their defense it was only a student house restaurant < 1346766257 355245 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh? Whyzzat? < 1346766270 237190 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a mess, i felt like a cook from one of those horror movies who serves nothing actually edible < 1346766272 719328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There's the Interspeech 2012 conference Sun-Thu. < 1346766307 310421 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where in Portland? < 1346766336 291021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Hilton Tower This Or That. < 1346766338 666859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hilton Portland & Executive Tower". < 1346766343 377012 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the Hilton. < 1346766356 79220 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a block o' food carts about four blocks up from that. < 1346766358 580614 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i can't cook eggs good enough to serve to others < 1346766411 396561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There will probably be colleagues interested about lunch, I'll recommend the cart thing. Though I seem to recall reading something about Portland's food carts in wikitravel or somewhere, so I suppose they're kind of known. < 1346766427 227120 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are. It's no myth. < 1346766476 959852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, off to go buy some just-in-case dollars. -> < 1346766894 46349 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346766921 157125 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346766996 872276 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346767506 179096 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89976.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346769083 46285 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1346769408 267734 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346770207 920533 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1346770687 234059 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346770780 566819 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346770808 233457 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1346770974 995058 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346770992 552085 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : But there are two small football teams(!) < 1346771005 193880 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by small do you mean they only have 8 players < 1346771554 89974 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346771564 738433 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1346771564 907074 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1346771572 471664 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1346771572 639150 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 19h 38m 58s ago: No. + = 43, . = 46 < 1346771704 942410 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1346772035 706576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1346772600 171498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord <$> "+." < 1346772601 495948 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [43,46] < 1346772611 208368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's right! < 1346772782 35110 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that depends of his definition of "right after" < 1346772913 682801 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for an alphabet consisting of only alphanumeric characters and + and ., ordered by their ASCII values; 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(... #php?) < 1346785045 975639 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1346785244 158546 :Nisstyre_!~yours@bas9-hamilton14-3096717720.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1346785267 402315 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the PHP of server-side web languages? < 1346785280 126188 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :php < 1346785280 626939 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP? < 1346785286 206253 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1346785344 690899 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :Nisstyre_ < 1346785412 905019 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the PHP of analogies < 1346785423 625209 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently windows is the php of operating systems < 1346785426 963134 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably car analogies < 1346785453 794657 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or monad tutorials < 1346785463 267640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What's the PHP of IRC bots? < 1346785464 181347 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes 15 minutes, throws out the tea, and steeps for 15 minutes < 1346785521 497961 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the php of esoteric programming languages? < 1346785523 166249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a script somewhere that could use fungot to continue sentences. It can be used to determine things. (Just things, in general.) < 1346785523 837510 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you read from it...... < 1346785525 238410 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what's < 1346785565 99828 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Windows is the PHP of operating systems, it turned up late, got real popular, got tons of shit supporting it and it's still shit." < 1346785594 520506 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what would apple be like? < 1346785608 29771 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux would be like the Perl of operating systems. < 1346785653 55541 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I had to change aux to auxm as Windows does not allow files named aux. After that the bare mode worked." "You should've seen my face when I realized you were speaking the truth :) Is windows the PHP of operating systems or what?!" < 1346785721 317390 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: what would be lisp of operating systems? < 1346785732 249220 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :forth of operating systems is forth < 1346785744 532881 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan 9 is the LISP of operating systems. < 1346785752 497875 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^quoting google < 1346785756 643016 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1346785779 149236 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I have been wanting to try plan9 for some time < 1346785783 355134 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: solaris - long gone :p < 1346785793 282569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genera is kind of also the LISP of operating systems. < 1346785809 150085 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: lisp isn't long gone < 1346785812 143908 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be an operating systems with lots of variants < 1346785815 356653 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: neither is solaris < 1346785821 602295 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes me think of linux < 1346785842 409858 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since Perl already is :( < 1346785846 845902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux: the everything of operating systems. < 1346785882 409170 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why there isn't a x86 port of genera? < 1346785885 998232 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is awesome < 1346785890 477013 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, more comprehensively < 1346785893 13431 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl is the scripting language of Tk, Visual Basic of Windows, (a form of) Lisp of Emacs, PHP of web servers, and Java and Javascript of web browsers. < 1346785904 489235 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet explorer is also the php of browsers < 1346785939 518254 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye! < 1346785942 357474 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1346785951 182129 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I am wondering why itidus21's message was hilighted < 1346785981 432483 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen a single valid use for Java in a browser in a long time. < 1346785982 156116 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can help < 1346785989 109877 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: ill try a binary search < 1346785994 111126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old highlight set for "visual basic" to catch all those interesting discussions? < 1346786006 648302 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl is the scripting language of Tk, Visual Basic of Windows, (a form of) Lisp of Emacs, < 1346786013 77699 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that hilights < 1346786019 274428 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Visual Basic of Windows, (a form of) Lisp of Emacs, < 1346786022 986863 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346786028 485386 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual Basic < 1346786033 545988 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1346786036 883361 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1346786044 237361 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : of Windows, (a form of) Lisp of Emacs, < 1346786047 931482 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346786052 546819 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : of Windows, (a form of) < 1346786055 634421 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1346786060 907793 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Lisp of Emacs, < 1346786063 412843 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346786066 500938 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1346786068 547257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs? < 1346786074 630930 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1346786076 134620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp? < 1346786078 676385 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346786087 955974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting. < 1346786181 130635 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have hilights for nortti, oonbotti, dfc, touhou, 666, forth, lisp, glibc < 1346786202 356091 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and foo < 1346786220 963583 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346786285 649305 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. pc98 also < 1346786961 178380 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey does anyone know if there's a way to force a column in a class:wikitable to be a certain larger? (so that no newlines are inserted) < 1346787218 795630 :nortti__!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346787494 339300 :nortti__!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you know why I'm banned from ##asm? < 1346787985 164785 :nortti_!~logibotti@62-183-153-2.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: nortti_ < 1346787998 442135 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1346788007 608090 :nortti__!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :nortti < 1346788857 75354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought of backgammon card rules: You use the cards 1 to 6 from a deck of cards of four suits (24 cards in total). You have eighteen stones, four of which are suited (one for each suit) and the rest unsuited. Each player is dealt five cards, four face down and one face up. Doubles are only redoubled if both cards are of the same color as well. < 1346789462 803446 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1346789505 966953 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346789595 306420 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, thing! < 1346789599 936169 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing-y thing! < 1346789610 688133 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell the channel Homestucks! < 1346789947 317843 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://m.engadget.com/2012/09/04/unreleased-nokia-lauta-qwerty-slider-emerges/ I hope it is really called lauta and that is not just something lost in translation < 1346790248 160797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: The underlines, but I guess you found that out. < 1346790495 420625 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346790654 903852 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346791752 104939 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.68.215 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346791879 489605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized, the reason the person who shown me how to play backgammon, did not know the doubling cube, as well as a few other variants, is because it is Persian rules. Persian rules do not use doubling cube, and a piece hitting an opponent's piece in your home cannot move again on the same turn. < 1346792065 598823 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1346792077 941454 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.68.215 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346792123 493233 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the doubling cube, many strategy or tactic games could use it as a variant < 1346792164 5448 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you can have something similar to backgammons 1-2-3 points in a leg (a simple victory, a gammon or a backgammon) < 1346792165 69719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There... is a Kickstarter for a Homestuck adventure game. By Hussie. < 1346792307 937362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also in the Persian rules, you cannot score three points per game; only up to two are allowed.) < 1346792328 394022 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1346792328 412805 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the thing < 1346792328 564661 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thingy thing < 1346792387 199034 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I have spoken of < 1346792424 882395 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this real life < 1346792432 320874 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1346792434 492105 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is < 1346792465 641740 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counterargument, what kind of real life includes a homestuck adventure game < 1346792481 351259 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, a really awesome one. < 1346792491 997419 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, they're going to cut all the cool corners. < 1346792541 879799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the Alchemiter. < 1346792740 719210 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also note that they inexplicably void shipping charges to Fiji. < 1346792787 272417 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Hussie ships Fiji < 1346792832 710792 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346792862 64997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, as of earlier today he ships everything. < 1346792945 303363 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the Titanic, the Red Oktober, ALL OF THEM < 1346792975 198289 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-126-181.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1346793019 142785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all ships are cannon < 1346793332 998190 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real life is overall stranger than homestuck < 1346793343 628353 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1346793349 889154 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a close one < 1346793362 518513 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact, homestuck is a part of real life, giving an indication of just how strange real life is :P < 1346793376 739188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK this thing has earned $156,000 in two hours. < 1346793387 821598 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1346793389 698182 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy < 1346793396 87803 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of those dollars are mine < 1346793408 854252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also itidus21 is right I'm afraid, Homestuck is mostly confusing due to lack of a time slider during flashes. < 1346793444 202031 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well real life has spacetime < 1346793454 925301 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck as paradoxspacetime < 1346793461 599669 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway < 1346793472 543474 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's getting to the time when I don't let myself post on Tumblr < 1346793496 530956 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no way that homestuck's finite reality can be as weird as the infinite reality it is embedded within < 1346793500 111575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1346793510 38736 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there < 1346793517 103612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly not! < 1346793517 223267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1346793521 294234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1346793521 627128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen said 9h 18m 17s ago: is http://esolangs.org/wiki/Entropy the language you were talking about? < 1346793535 67872 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is < 1346793563 635605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right it is < 1346793565 506074 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im afraid of homestuck in a way < 1346793575 407305 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why im getting all defensive < 1346793607 511510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i was looking just at Category:Nondeterministic, not Category:Probabilistic, so i didn't find it < 1346793658 845724 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was look just at "Random page" < 1346793662 214339 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : thats why im getting all defensive < 1346793671 142197 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I found a language that's random! < 1346793671 502787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1346793687 890125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you truly are an odd fellow iti < 1346793807 87214 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a bit sick in me head < 1346793813 42516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes probabilistic a subcategory of nondeterministic < 1346793990 469976 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you just did that < 1346794004 23338 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was thinking "wait, something's *different* < 1346794046 781205 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyway, i made a page for the language I was talking about yesterday when you brought up Entropy: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Knight_Shuffling_Tower < 1346794148 340605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: well it's the nondeterministic category, you cannot expect it to be the same each tim < 1346794151 589188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+e < 1346794157 886837 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1346794159 58563 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1346794159 607881 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1346794323 405703 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah I know why it felt weird < 1346794372 441189 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had category:probabilistic and category:nondeterministic opened in two tabs; nondeterministic had probabilistic as a subcategory but probabilistic did not have nondeterministic as a parent category < 1346794594 932430 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was wondering, are queue-based languages usually turing-complete? for instance on the stack page it is said that programs using two stacks are usually turing-complete; what about languages using a single queue? < 1346794817 453409 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the queue analogue of a pushdown automaton is turing complete < 1346794824 310623 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1346794839 676886 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can easily cycle through the whole queue, which makes it like a random-access tape < 1346794862 310602 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly you can treat two stacks as a tape which goes from the bottom of the first stack to the top, and then from the top of the second stack to the bottom < 1346794869 933387 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :such that you move on the tape by popping from one and pushing to the other < 1346794885 799135 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these are fun things to prove < 1346794897 448360 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had both of those on a problem set in computability and complexity < 1346794907 882538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact one of our very simplest TC languages, BCT, is queue-based < 1346794936 682089 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stephen wolfram trollface < 1346795000 479537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when your language isn't specifically more suited for emulating something else, emulating BCT is a good bet for proving TC-ness < 1346795078 853307 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :intersting < 1346795102 276784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, more general tag systems are what was used to prove rule 110 "universal" which stephen wolfram wrote about in his book < 1346795104 325792 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.185.214 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346795110 768325 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :new plan: I'm gonna prove the current version of kst turing-complete and then add some restrictions to make it less easily turing-complete < 1346795131 761621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(universal isn't quite the same as TC because this required an infinite setup) < 1346795188 249863 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know what wolfram's rules are - I started looking into it once and I don't even remember why I stopped < 1346795245 130223 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, in bct the datastring and the programstring are two strings? or is it the same? < 1346795287 797166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :two strings < 1346795324 818139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there was a variant which unified them, but i don't think anyone's managed to prove it TC. unless i did and forgot it :P < 1346795363 807420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1346795393 943155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: also implementing a tape as two stacks, then the stacks as (linked) lists is a nice way of getting a purely functional tape in ocaml or haskell < 1346795420 287237 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's what they call a zipper isn't it? < 1346795420 834295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one which can be extended automatically < 1346795459 909141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i guess that's true, although i think this may be older than the zipper concept, but maybe not. < 1346795533 491970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while getting a purely functional queue is a bitch in comparison < 1346795572 789069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(haskell's Data.Sequence uses "finger trees" for that) < 1346795584 252838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+module < 1346795675 737023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want to reverse the entire data structure when wrapping around, then you can use the tape trick modified. finger trees have less latency or something. < 1346795707 223689 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in Ocaml you can easily implement linked lists so I don't see why a purely functional queue would be so hard to do < 1346795728 273478 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea what he's talking about, though < 1346795763 34781 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a totally unrelated matter: if I come across a category, say http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Concurrent_programming , that's not on the Special:Categorization page, should I add it there or what? < 1346795815 437078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: the thing is you cannot purely functionally _modify_ a two-way linked list efficiently < 1346795823 426196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while it's easy with mutation < 1346795832 951887 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :two-way? < 1346795842 846015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :links both forward and backward < 1346795844 720753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1346795847 903423 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a queue needs only one way < 1346795864 515425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right. you cannot easily modify the end of a one-way one, either. :P < 1346795878 535300 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep probably not :/ < 1346795898 656534 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was think a deque would need two-way, but when I think about it a deque is kind of the same thing as two stacks < 1346795928 195321 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah hum maybe not < 1346795940 564876 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaand it's late so good night < 1346795956 540171 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if I'm still at 3am please swat me) < 1346796047 150968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: technically that category wasn't added properly, i see. we're supposed to discuss such things on Esolang talk:Categorization < 1346796064 949930 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's what I've come to understand < 1346796155 675056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a deque definitely needs something like two-way (or finger trees) < 1346796190 395969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took the chance with Probabilistic as that was added by our former administrator < 1346796233 377045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose Concurrent_programming is only a couple years younger < 1346796252 899934 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a one-way cyclic list < 1346796254 950138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm not sure exactly _where_ it would fit on the page, so i think it still needs discussion. < 1346796262 148470 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's how Ocaml Queue module is implemented) < 1346796312 836449 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concurrent_programming is a subcategory of programming techniques - in my opinion it's more something like a paradigm or something < 1346796325 458125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: no - how would you remove the end element with a one-way cyclic list? < 1346796333 553683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot get the second last easily < 1346796338 42022 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, true < 1346796376 748062 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can push at both ends and pop from one end out of two < 1346796385 572258 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that 75% works < 1346796435 626192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1346796445 438306 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that has nothing to do with the queue being cyclic < 1346797543 365580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hey does anyone know if there's a way to force a column in a class:wikitable to be a certain larger? (so that no newlines are inserted) < 1346797593 679405 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I was quite annoyed by the first column being one-word large and the second being one-page large < 1346797699 915812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the widest cell in the column, put style="white-space:nowrap" < 1346797813 951513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Qdeql&diff=31204&oldid=31190 shows how i used that in Qdeql before ehird added a simpler way to get preformatted code < 1346797828 343832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*get it for preformatted code < 1346797885 184918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means, btw, that if your column contains preformatted code, you may want to use the {| class="wikitable plainpres" method instead < 1346797887 531273 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346797930 910849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm which it is. let me fix that for you. < 1346797953 230191 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it so obvious that I did not understood? < 1346797957 621019 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :understand* < 1346797979 216391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um you didn't? < 1346797988 382722 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum I'm trying to < 1346798024 344280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's a method that was added specifically for our wiki, because we have all these tables with code in them :) < 1346798025 673156 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's http://esolangs.org/wiki/Knight_Shuffling_Tower : the function tables, especially the conditionals/loops one, have a very thin first column which is annoying especially for the for loop < 1346798272 154614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1346798293 155504 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you replaced "code" with "pre" < 1346798300 335201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and added plainpres < 1346798314 922424 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it change? < 1346798336 641119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it removes the border and margins around
s
< 1346798350 192512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they look almost like code
< 1346798388 586211 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm ok
< 1346798389 981905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can still be multiline.  also they don't change the background, which matters in ! fields
< 1346798415 500661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*! cells
< 1346798429 770897 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does space:nowrap does?
< 1346798471 422429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :white-space:nowrap is a more general way of preventing wrapping
< 1346798568 92559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to be added to the widest cell in the column, but it still got so ugly for the Qdeql tables that ehird made the new method which is easier
< 1346798595 624772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well actually much of the ugliness was to avoid the background changing
< 1346798638 611259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh not to mention the horrible  s
< 1346798647 335798 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lending credibility to my claim that MySQL is the PHP of databases is the fact that MySQL advocates and PHP advocates have similar responses when you confront them with bizarre behavior from their respective programs
< 1346798653 732202 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, in skimming a few "MySQL sucks" threads
< 1346798701 966251 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.flickr.com/photos/raindrift/sets/72157629492908038/
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< 1346799371 953453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds a mention of plainpres to Help:Editing
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< 1346799795 343078 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thanks for all the help
< 1346799817 705466 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also don't hesitate to come back for a round in frc :)
< 1346799827 368931 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have a good night everyone
< 1346799866 92558 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Are you telling me you can build a time machine but you can't cook a cheese soufflé? You've got your priorities all wrong!
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< 1346801140 34024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls his thesis advisor could make cheese soufflé
< 1346801173 517745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because his wife refused to make it for him
< 1346801209 336730 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized in RogueVM I have only assigned four addressing modes even though it is three bits, so now I have added four more modes: Double-indirect by address, two registers indirect, R0-R3 with 16-bit offset, R0-R3 with 16-bit offset and reverse.
< 1346801222 209364 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346801223 208634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wrote some things about assembly syntax.
< 1346801423 735922 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-211.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1346802287 701112 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one possible scenario is
< 1346802313 320453 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bob beats up tom 
< 1346802365 964321 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a con artist approaches tom infront of bob with a surefire getrich scheme
< 1346802380 244528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who are they? What getrich scheme is it?
< 1346802385 788397 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the con artist has convinced bob, but not tom
< 1346802396 990438 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably some pyramid scheme
< 1346802415 202980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does he have to wait until Tom gets back up?
< 1346802416 870460 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tom's arm now gets twisted to go along with the scheme
< 1346802432 212660 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh.. ^beats up occasionally
< 1346802438 905270 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1346802441 654638 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know a better way to say this
< 1346802529 940972 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it means, sometimes people are under pressure from people around them to accept unreliable financial opportunities 
< 1346802563 102775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1346802576 197073 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people making these schemes will quickly catch onto this fact somehow
< 1346802611 758274 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe theres no actual substance to what i'm saying
< 1346802971 363670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was playing Dungeons&Dragons game today. Out-ambush the ambushers, out-assassinate the assassins, ...
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< 1346804377 227042 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, [expr] in a Lisp-family language. Good idea or bad idea?
< 1346804387 328834 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Using lists of course, not strings.)
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< 1346806948 521415 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Okay I guess.
< 1346806959 705014 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I mean, it's basically giving you an arithmetic expression DSL.
< 1346806975 166201 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Seems Lisp-like, even if it's not strictly speaking typical of Lisps.
< 1346807026 676660 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, #clojure people are now badmouthing Noir
< 1346807032 468633 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I be scared of Noir now?
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< 1346807144 240033 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people will badmouth anything which actually gets used
< 1346807150 203454 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try #haskell instead
< 1346807181 941918 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.185.214 QUIT :Quit: http://RetroProgramming.com
< 1346807341 948201 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hiredman: Moses: it is stateful and doesn't compose, is full of all kinds of (add-whatever calls) that need to happen in a certain order etc"
< 1346807606 650605 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the creator of Noir is currently in #clojure
< 1346811030 532791 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he/she have anything to say to this criticism
< 1346812227 598050 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't entirely sure
< 1346814121 788065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did William Shakespeare write all of them by himself or is something else?
< 1346815108 29447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably he did write them. Not necessarily all by himself, though.
< 1346815170 603941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless you got his name wrong. His name is Wilm Shaxpr.
< 1346815290 42093 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wilm shapr
< 1346815533 141831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall only refer (again?) to http://sheldoncomics.com/archive/070810.html
< 1346815635 666329 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1346815640 700746 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelling wasn't really... a thing
< 1346815642 96468 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back then
< 1346815682 537850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is spellyng, butte a foolishe endeavoure
< 1346815727 821957 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let no man put asunder what I believe is thee proper attyre for footballe
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< 1346816273 559721 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah. What insane bastard designed C++ IO.
< 1346816288 902433 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its error handling is the most anemic I have seen in any language.
< 1346816306 674449 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, what would you expect? Exceptions, given that that's a C++ feature?
< 1346816307 581867 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1346816317 692901 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an error flag.
< 1346816324 758402 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is all the information you can get.
< 1346816327 243190 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an error.
< 1346816338 766347 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it a parse failure? Was it a catastrophic failure of disk?
< 1346816342 790501 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have no way of knowing.
< 1346816481 570451 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346816733 958865 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it used exceptions people would also bitch and moan
< 1346816744 269952 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of C++ users disable exceptions
< 1346816749 758406 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, a single error flag is not adequate
< 1346816770 658935 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm something of a C++ apologist and I still use C stdio more often than not
< 1346816887 930649 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is nothing to excuse C++'s IO, not even in terms of "they couldn't quite see *that* it would be bad".
< 1346816901 357232 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I think makes it nearly unique among C++ features.
< 1346816916 321820 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least with the rest of them I can see that there was a good idea somewhere in there.
< 1346816921 882608 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least good intentions.
< 1346816950 806679 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, I'm now taking a "C++ and object-oriented programming" class, so I feel bad just schleping out to C IO.
< 1346817018 523575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: there's a place that'll pay well to use those as pavement
< 1346817053 70482 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear IO streams were the motivation for references.
< 1346817054 615734 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaand this (trivial) assignment is asking for error handling from its IO.
< 1346817486 426693 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sHACHAF: really?
< 1346817584 817439 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's true that I heard that, but only second- or third-hand.
< 1346817726 476154 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the operator overloading of the bit shift operators is retarded.
< 1346817728 855092 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retarded I say.
< 1346818367 262188 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sHACHAF: I wrote a little program using Xlib and XInput2
< 1346818375 330263 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make my mouse cursor wrap at the edges of the screen
< 1346818395 419565 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah.
< 1346818398 78492 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :previously I was using Synergy for this purpose
< 1346818400 782778 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it really better that way?
< 1346818409 123562 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the screen better  with wrapping? yes
< 1346818425 111112 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my desktop is 4960 pixels wide
< 1346818462 514269 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cutting the max travel distance in half is a big deal
< 1346818595 198570 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of pixels.
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< 1346819909 470762 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION re-pick-ups his lenses in clojure idea
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< 1346821519 655467 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is getting kind of mean with #clojure
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< 1346825456 677982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can computer be made that some components use data due to the exact timing of propagation delay, not later or earlier, because data is only available at such exact moment?
< 1346825693 783392 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346825728 484999 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't early computers actually use that effect for their RAM?
< 1346825766 345878 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think the answer is "yes, and it has been done"
< 1346825787 920379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they do, but I don't mean RAM; I mean for calculation of program counter.
< 1346825818 928479 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Huh.
< 1346825825 553078 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 - You COULD, with good enough timing and manual sterring of the counter
< 1346825833 988635 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, each opcode contains the next PC position after it
< 1346825848 199962 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could read the bytes required while the PC was travelling the circuit?
< 1346825859 684857 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it seems like the sort of thing that's possible.
< 1346825868 87227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking make a linear feedback shift register?
< 1346825886 120881 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps not at all likely to be done, but you're only asking about the possibility. ;)
< 1346825898 425370 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: LFSR PC steering?
< 1346825899 429104 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1346825903 66570 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually a very neat idea
< 1346825906 170997 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how well that would work, or what other way, but I have some ideas
< 1346825908 417379 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you have to shuffle every app
< 1346825917 253340 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in theory, yes, an LFSR could work with a properly arranged program
< 1346825924 353119 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yes I am only asking about the possibility.
< 1346825928 472984 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you still have the PC INSIDE the shift registers
< 1346825930 106170 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what is the point
< 1346825994 400423 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant such as, is just shifts over time by itself rather than requiring a clock, so it doesn't store the data and then wait for the next one
< 1346826021 386367 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :So...
< 1346826025 601479 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want to make a clockless CPU?
< 1346826050 460804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is part of it
< 1346826076 644160 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is actually a *very* interesting idea
< 1346826205 132861 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's enough physics to stop you
< 1346826214 177715 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, for instance, for rapid bursts of calculation
< 1346826218 46602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I thought there might be.
< 1346826218 379421 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :With specific instruction sets
< 1346826222 127346 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could very well work anyway
< 1346826249 344894 :keymanbr!musicman@187-15-158-104.user.veloxzone.com.br JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346826251 681774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, yes, it could. That is why I think of it.
< 1346826253 590799 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346826259 771912 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 - i recommend you patent it
< 1346826263 310168 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, Apple.
< 1346826277 736225 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1346826285 457417 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to be safe against these kinds of corporate entities
< 1346826331 145586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if others want to use it; I just don't want others to patent it. (I also don't want to waste money on a patent.)
< 1346826338 526685 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah
< 1346826340 635588 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1346826342 23656 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg
< 1346826411 489222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore I wish to place it in the public domain.
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< 1346838806 759956 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/09/04/1825205/australian-attorney-general-pushes-ahead-with-govt-web-snooping
< 1346838810 120724 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor australia.
< 1346839619 389743 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346839863 933203 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be worse
< 1346839902 150240 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an inevitable consequence of internet-dependancy
< 1346840012 721595 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that the people who fight over these things do so primarily out of an inclination to fight, with the actual thing they are fighting over being secondary
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< 1346841223 591170 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by it could be worse i mean, one nation doesn't deserve prosperity more than another, and any suggestion that a nation earned their prosperity by working harder than the others, or working harder defending their freedoms  is a fanciful illusion
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< 1346841358 232131 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you on about
< 1346841363 648256 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything
< 1346841387 455426 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope what im saying applies to most arguments
< 1346841415 781231 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi
< 1346841420 824137 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1346841434 813511 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what do you think of my nick??
< 1346841441 968388 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good right
< 1346841453 252374 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shachaf: yes
< 1346841684 345941 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap monqy
< 1346841684 517345 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes monqy in the eye
< 1346841730 714885 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think whats happening is the youth today is putting more trust in technology than in the elderly
< 1346841752 891954 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wise old person = computer illiterate person
< 1346841793 783651 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you on about
< 1346841809 578691 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I could ask you the same question!
< 1346841826 952973 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
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< 1346843367 175972 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on about... pudding
< 1346845126 840842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat: I'm reading a blog about debugging a problem found on Windows, and confirmed what the kernel was doing by looking at the ReactOS source code
< 1346845134 580911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise it was that close a parallel
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< 1346848691 202134 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do the category work anyway? is their a bot browsing all wiki pages and adding them to the right category pages?
< 1346848858 270251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like an AI-complete task.
< 1346848870 19436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There could be a person doing that, though.
< 1346848901 540397 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346848948 319487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you mean based on the [[Category:Foo]] things? I'm under the impression the MediaWiki software natively takes care of updating category pages as those things are added.
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< 1346849260 240336 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that''s what I mean
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< 1346856160 198292 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1346856182 599874 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1346856204 299316 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i was just thinking, a heck of a lot of stuff isn't allowed to be made because it breaks copyright
< 1346856222 861455 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1346856247 537645 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think there should be a license that you can produce commercial derivatives so long as you pay some amount of your profits to the license holder
< 1346856259 27465 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does exist
< 1346856268 934506 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not an actual license I think
< 1346856286 3474 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but companies can hire other companies to produce their products
< 1346856298 335733 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1346856311 819210 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am watching a fun video comparing ports of some video game
< 1346856329 146908 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i started to think, would it be such a bad thing if companies could just make a port without asking?
< 1346856337 540435 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1346856350 30456 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you were the person who had the original idea?
< 1346856365 914295 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like it if everyone made (possibly better) ports of your idea?
< 1346856369 18110 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the idea is they would still pay you a cut of the profits
< 1346856387 824912 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how would that be regulated?
< 1346856391 192590 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or..
< 1346856392 386770 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1346856407 384710 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they don't have to ask
< 1346856422 497074 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they pay money?
< 1346856452 637685 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose I had a game company
< 1346856460 601063 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my game was selling nicely
< 1346856469 877681 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you made a port of my game
< 1346856473 153412 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :a much better port
< 1346856483 542799 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone would buy your port of my game
< 1346856501 919603 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't win any money
< 1346856516 476973 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh
< 1346856543 222650 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess in the cases i am thinking of, it was specifically arcade games being ported to a set of inferior platforms
< 1346856544 627110 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have to close my company and only rely on your income
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< 1346856604 961967 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you're right. 
< 1346856618 357887 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things are fine as they are. if a company wants to do that they can.
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< 1346856651 352816 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, not being allowed to copy implies more research for new stuff
< 1346856658 189990 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.57 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346856659 893177 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so products of better quality
< 1346856684 177464 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i guess htat theres not so many platforms these ays
< 1346856685 420942 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :days
< 1346856696 971339 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346856722 756985 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the differences between all the 8bit and 16bit platforms are actually fun to look at
< 1346856757 256863 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't hide their limits
< 1346856820 167339 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this youtube channel i quite like has these videos comparing the same game on about a dozen platforms
< 1346856827 816015 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages?
< 1346856827 988250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today.
< 1346857012 635980 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: the food chain is that you start with a good aaa 2d game, then it gets ported to some uk computer, looks like crap which is perfect fodder for youtube reviewers to act cynical
< 1346857026 332129 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone wins
< 1346857035 859647 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking, Level 5 studios would be good to make the Homestuck game
< 1346857044 430546 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so would Maxis, for completely different reasons
< 1346857068 615693 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or CERN
< 1346857085 813590 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I...
< 1346857100 612492 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think CERN is particularly famous for its video game development skills
< 1346857121 120582 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, many companies shifted to video games from other fields
< 1346857156 703345 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From being an international not-for-profit experimental physics organization?
< 1346857218 769651 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what better way to recreate the homestuck universe than to let anonymous teenagers interact with LHC
< 1346857283 725043 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by the way
< 1346857290 508387 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I said Level 5 I meant 5th Cell
< 1346857342 484610 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im being defensive again about homestuck.. that thing seriously freaks me out
< 1346857362 986433 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have...
< 1346857369 411189 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried reading "Problem Sleuth"?
< 1346857373 173588 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like your cup of tea
< 1346857583 887309 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :japan has mech robots which turn into spaceships and carry samurai swords, usa has homestuck
< 1346857606 907883 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :australia has steve irwin
< 1346857679 218992 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they are all ways of venting culturally something inexplicable
< 1346857695 200639 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=4
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< 1346858771 663390 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : australia has steve irwin
< 1346858772 725922 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not anymore
< 1346860060 269624 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://asia.cnet.com/goophone-i5-manufacturers-want-to-sue-apple-when-iphone-launches-62218590.htm
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< 1346862852 65514 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my psychologist is right
< 1346862866 99163 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :event happens "light out in the kitchen"
< 1346862895 807436 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think about it and presume my brother turned it off
< 1346862931 1798 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact, when my mom asks me to change the light i learn i was acting delusionally
< 1346863401 938613 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind
< 1346863419 636488 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounded a lot weirder when i said it
< 1346863852 485272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, that does sound pretty weird.
< 1346863932 74636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346863935 579151 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i mean when i said it here
< 1346863945 295594 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just said it and you just read it
< 1346864033 769895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"submarine sandwich" is a weird term.
< 1346864042 867516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a "sub" it doesn't sound so weird.
< 1346864075 782969 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/217130_3530847072634_1433380748_n.jpg
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< 1346866587 817264 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey zzo38 
< 1346866597 416132 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've started writing an interpreter for IINC
< 1346866701 845591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1346866918 989520 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering why the mingle thing, though
< 1346866927 798726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not remember.
< 1346867179 532660 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that was very instructive :) bye
< 1346867191 348095 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Are you telling me you can build a time machine but you can't cook a cheese soufflé? You've got your priorities all wrong!
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< 1346867769 976754 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :fnordPatent
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< 1346868172 835808 :fnordPatent!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :itidus21
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< 1346869098 869972 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : That is, I would recommend against  (-> 5 (< 10) (if "whoa"))
< 1346869105 215889 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to say that that is an amusing example
< 1346869567 462808 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/rplevy/swiss-arrows
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< 1346870648 530982 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an idea has struck me.. supposing if a large group of software companies got together and dedicated themselves to producing software which didn't violate any patents
< 1346870689 183080 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :between them harnessing the capacity to challenge any patent which won't hold up
< 1346870736 234979 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be the advantage for the companies involved?
< 1346870745 872566 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :They wouldn't be able to sell any patents
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< 1346870782 137471 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could be unfettered by what for a lack of a better word i would call immoral patents
< 1346870815 110833 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a capitalist system, people mainly care about money ;)
< 1346870834 231575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am one of those companies (not yet created properly), but not only software; also hardware.
< 1346870841 746669 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what such an immoral/unethical patent would be........
< 1346870857 806286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would wish to join such a group
< 1346870862 211005 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :of companies
< 1346870869 168299 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well the fundamental question is this
< 1346870884 811848 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had sufficient funds could you overturn the amazon 1-click patent?
< 1346870892 522197 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: You said earlier that you think the current patenting system is fine. Why are you still trying to improve now :p?
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< 1346870910 377172 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: You could buy it from them perhaps.
< 1346870923 186365 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1346870927 723607 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, could you invalidate it?
< 1346870944 817043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the current patenting system. If I had sufficient funds I would buy their patents and then immediately abandon them to the public domain.
< 1346870981 957990 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Maybe, if you hired an army of lawyers. Although Amazon has one too I believe.
< 1346871004 786250 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the grounds that adding constraints to the effects of a mouse click isn't a method
< 1346871028 785981 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: something like that, but it would still be very hard
< 1346871039 21249 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the device is a mouse, it clicks
< 1346871046 184497 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the human clicks
< 1346871058 391503 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :/with/ the mouse
< 1346871061 788084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invalidating it is an idea, but would it be less expensive to purchase it from them and then invalidate it yourself?
< 1346871089 953129 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Unless they are unwilling to sell it whatsoever.
< 1346871091 5622 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that that click results in a procedure completing automatically seems fairly invalid :D
< 1346871111 881737 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, i see
< 1346871118 912277 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you own a patent you can invalidate it?
< 1346871136 33421 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao... fascinating
< 1346871147 208565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Yes, in that case, you have no choice, I suppose.
< 1346871147 753333 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im so dumb
< 1346871150 827119 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Yes; how does that surprise you?
< 1346871165 122958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I would guess you can invalidate a patent you own more easily, I think.
< 1346871165 564452 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im no lawyer, im sure the argument i just made would fail
< 1346871169 875556 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: note that was not a reply to your last message..
< 1346871223 400996 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well... i think that if enough patents were invalidated the motivation to patent things might decrease
< 1346871296 151944 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas, if you bought the patents in order to invalidate them that would be a motivation to patent things
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< 1346871318 217327 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily
< 1346871332 762162 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you can earn more money from a patent by not selling it
< 1346871355 364491 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and by instead selling the product the patent allows/is)
< 1346871380 790685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes you won't actually know how much money you will earn properly
< 1346871394 666268 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ most of the time
< 1346871450 794823 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :patents are confusing. 
< 1346871472 592313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: But what if they sell the patent, including an agreement that says that the company that sold the patent is still allowed to sell those products? And then you invalidate the patent, making the agreement useless since it is already true anyways.
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< 1346871512 521950 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are a symbol of corporate power.. i guess i should just accept that corporations are powerful and let it be
< 1346871652 790444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I make the company I don't patent anything.
< 1346871687 110457 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to think more before i post so that i can make some sense
< 1346871689 878166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have enough money I would try to invalidate all patents, purchasing them first if necessary.
< 1346871780 86513 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-130-86.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346871832 516705 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently computer icons can be patented
< 1346871944 945282 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also animated icons
< 1346871990 184023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They probably can be trademarks, though, regardless of if they can be patented or not.
< 1346872010 216816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patent office does wrong thing always.
< 1346872529 139998 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the form "Claims: The ornamental design for an icon for a display screen, as shown and described."
< 1346872535 782966 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1346872661 940421 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346872668 586370 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of the fun is they're all in monochrome
< 1346872678 792810 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the ones i can see
< 1346872686 826084 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i suppose in practice is that doesn't matter
< 1346872717 926455 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-130-86.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1346872778 664018 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact it appears all the big companies, microsoft, apple, xerox, motorola have applied for icon design patents
< 1346872872 867044 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. they get around the color thing
< 1346872908 195023 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FIG 2 depicts second embodiment of an icon for a display screen where the background is lined to indicate the color blue "
< 1346872919 521869 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^
< 1346872970 253163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't trademarks be easier?
< 1346873208 978746 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this one is a patent for a font that looks vaguely like wingdings
< 1346873284 306347 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok enough of that
< 1346873494 745272 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of silly patents, I presume http://graphics.stanford.edu/~seander/bithacks.html#IntegerAbs is well-known in here already
< 1346873515 424050 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, well.. there you go
< 1346873534 140130 :MoALTz!~no@92.2.127.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346873703 428036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there is the non-patented version and the patented one, and anyways it is likely invalid, is they said.
< 1346873803 11458 :MoALTz!~no@92.2.127.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1346874927 55218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346875490 20768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1346875643 267625 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1346875817 587491 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346876113 367125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346876431 77640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen  how do the category work anyway? is their a bot browsing all wiki pages and adding them to the right category pages? <-- it certainly updated immediately when i changed things yesterday
< 1346876431 333044 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346876714 709381 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-<><:p (+ 1 2) [<> 2 1] [5 <> 7] [9 4 <>]) => '[(3 2 1) (5 3 7) (9 4 3)]
< 1346876741 304544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is that?
< 1346876750 417313 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure
< 1346876763 617505 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using a macro in https://github.com/rplevy/swiss-arrows
< 1346876866 771330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/217130_3530847072634_1433380748_n.jpg <-- XD
< 1346876886 639638 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1346876894 854935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :I HAVE NOW | Official channel of PEZ | PEZ is the best candy. Why have you abandoned PEZ? | Do not fret, PEZ can forgive you. Give yourself freely to PEZ. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki
< 1346877015 669567 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346877051 591941 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346877168 137041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please notify me of any of the following in the RogueVM specification:  * Vague or unclear statements  * Mistakes (including typographical errors)  * Things you fail to understand about this virtual machine  * Things that you think are not designed very well and could be improved
< 1346877186 678268 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346877193 724224 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au NICK :itidus21
< 1346877273 689999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Complaints
< 1346877396 858879 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the RogueVM spec, and what is RogueVM? I'm interested now
< 1346877413 7995 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you've been talking about it, but I haven't payed much attention before
< 1346877439 566422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I posted here before, but OK I will repeat if you needed it:   http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/roguevm/roguevm.tex    http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/roguevm/roguevm.dvi
< 1346877456 448454 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346877487 980143 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( I'd like a nice HTML page that my browser doesn't feel a need to store in my Downloads directory but is willing to display directly
< 1346877499 894826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :view-source:http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/roguevm/roguevm.tex
< 1346877519 544230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't HTML, but it should display it directly.
< 1346877522 743537 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe my browser's just being annoying
< 1346877547 160424 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very much not working :(
< 1346877588 71779 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to imagine that RogueVM is a VM for creating roguelike games using a higher-level language targetted at the VM
< 1346877590 289507 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is yoir browser?
< 1346877596 424894 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome
< 1346877596 861761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best would be to just download it on command-line instead of using a browser.
< 1346877611 240586 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh here we go, they got downloaded
< 1346877626 238814 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have Yap installed on here for some reason, so the .dvi seems like it will work
< 1346877627 645810 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of browsers you should try konqueror
< 1346877648 203894 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, I was right
< 1346877654 635886 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, you need Computer Modern fonts too, but if you have Yap then you probably have those too.
< 1346877720 586346 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346877733 929569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes it is VM for creating roguelike games using a higher-level language targetted at the VM. (It can be used for some other games too, I suppose, though.)
< 1346877764 492762 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey Phantom_Hoover 
< 1346877768 793079 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-<><:p (+ 1 2) [<> 2 1] [5 <> 7] [9 4 <>]) => '[(3 2 1) (5 3 7) (9 4 3)]
< 1346877778 273552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1346877836 48277 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why are you using ASCII?
< 1346877858 87516 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not?
< 1346877863 486183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why not?
< 1346877881 812672 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saying the game title is in UTF-8 would allow for games with more international names
< 1346877882 721366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is better than EBCDIC.
< 1346877902 98862 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: actually you should use PETSCII
< 1346877912 378527 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should try UTF-1.
< 1346877925 739169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You could assign one of the custom metadata fields for UTF-8 title. However some computers might be ASCII-only which is why it uses that.
< 1346877938 970976 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sHACHAF: the real one or my one?
< 1346877954 171189 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real one. :-(
< 1346877973 571662 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346877983 586355 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my one with unary representation is better
< 1346877990 782495 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if a RogueVM interpreter in Clojure would be a sane thing to make
< 1346878018 445045 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Try if you want to! (But you don't have to.)
< 1346878032 823301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :First it would be good idea correct the specification ensure it is not mistake.
< 1346878149 278584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you wish to assign any of the ETC/8000xxxx file numbers, notify me what you would like I can list them in the document for that purpose. Please note all are optional both by the compiler and by the interpreter!!
< 1346878177 720855 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346878194 543385 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, are you the new me?
< 1346878209 775336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the new everyone.
< 1346878238 976976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether I'm the new you particularly, who knows.
< 1346878253 170610 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : hello
< 1346878279 58004 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh I was doing that before it was cool.
< 1346878282 708304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think.
< 1346878295 455430 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay
< 1346878298 11284 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would...
< 1346878303 552785 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like to be the new me?
< 1346878313 571522 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how difficult it would be to port existing roguelikes to RogueVM
< 1346878387 971731 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1346878410 984265 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, depends, remind me if that youth parliament thing comes with any actual power or influence.
< 1346878411 517275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Some have features which are deliberately unsupported in RogueVM. For example ADOM (which no source-codes available anyways), having to do with the slot machines and the bug cave.
< 1346878422 352758 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, none at all
< 1346878425 80305 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's the old me
< 1346878431 644402 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was unironically cool
< 1346878436 463802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :slot machines? bug cave?
< 1346878439 908380 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie, not cool at all
< 1346878447 833181 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played ADOM
< 1346878449 61803 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you're ironically uncool?
< 1346878517 415091 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the slot machines if you hold down the space-bar it does not waste a turn to activate the slot machine a second time. For bug cave, you have to have played the game a certain number of times before they will let you in. These things are relatively minor, so a similar game could be implemented where these two rules are not used.
< 1346878527 550077 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sHACHAF, now I'm just being me
< 1346878530 562250 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all that entails
< 1346878541 255909 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I go on IRC, I go to Homestuck meet-ups
< 1346878544 131812 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I badly program
< 1346878574 781435 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reblog things on tumblr
< 1346878576 220898 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RogueVM has a SEX instruction. I am immaturely amused.
< 1346878593 755475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It is short for "sign extend".
< 1346879369 729646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are Homestuck meet-ups? (In retrospect, I suppose that's kind of predictable.)
< 1346879375 559594 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1346879392 92611 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.57 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346879441 981356 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's popular among teenage people with no otherwise social life
< 1346879443 173839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@read '\2026'
< 1346879443 344685 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `dummy' failed with: Prelude.read: no parse
< 1346879448 964320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@read "\2026"
< 1346879449 135984 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1346879465 510242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, lambdabot, that is not how utf-8 works.
< 1346879539 890771 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did she do?
< 1346879558 620188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume she truncated the character to latin-1
< 1346879568 925431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showHex 2026 ""
< 1346879569 999021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "7ea"
< 1346879573 549423 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah, that's not the right character :(
< 1346879577 849545 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: people stuck at home?
< 1346879580 779008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "\xea"
< 1346879581 971612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "\234"
< 1346879586 829323 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, indeed
< 1346879588 933412 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "\xea"
< 1346879589 435703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@read "\xea"
< 1346879589 614242 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1346879589 954690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: : hPutChar: invalid argument (Invalid or incomplete mu...
< 1346879599 887305 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn it, even in the future nothing works
< 1346879608 909539 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should write a lambdabot replacement!
< 1346879611 817992 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1346879617 737493 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1346879623 898900 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad you agree
< 1346879627 298108 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway it's not the future anymore.
< 1346879671 228971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> test "\2026"
< 1346879672 146657 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `test'
< 1346879672 787788 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the post-future?
< 1346879676 187733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "\2026"
< 1346879677 63492 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: : hPutChar: invalid argument (Invalid or incomplete mu...
< 1346879686 234383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show $ text "\2026"
< 1346879687 116739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "\2026"
< 1346879700 262623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh
< 1346879711 954574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1346879741 774162 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @where test (@where+ test ߪ)
< 1346879741 945268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ߪ
< 1346879747 21021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am actually just trying to find a way to get the utf-8 bytes of it
< 1346879777 317449 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1346879781 799839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm
< 1346879788 145571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "…"
< 1346879789 166938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "\8230"
< 1346879793 78929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1346879814 839315 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "..."
< 1346879815 207596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0x2026
< 1346879815 892641 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "..."
< 1346879816 232460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  can't find file: L.hs
< 1346879822 576781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0x2026
< 1346879823 432442 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "\2026" is in decimal.
< 1346879823 641680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  8230
< 1346879827 559941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha!
< 1346879855 801152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sHACHAF: no, it's actually hex, as i discovered when i found the actual character to paste :P
< 1346879879 728594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well you meant the \ notation
< 1346879880 657244 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, it's definitely decimal.
< 1346879908 782990 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\x2026", which is what you wanted, is in hexadecimal.
< 1346879941 400703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sHACHAF: yes, but i didn't actually know that was what i wanted, because i thought the 2026 i found on the wiki was decimal
< 1346879978 747402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^asc …
< 1346879979 300576 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :226.
< 1346880010 717439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord …
< 1346880011 228778 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :226 128 166 
< 1346880016 620886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right
< 1346880025 754370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so it is 3 bytes, anyway.
< 1346880113 230083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything that needs four hex digits, is. (Technically from U+0800 to U+FFFF.)
< 1346880143 305695 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it great how 4+6+6 is 16?
< 1346880144 594464 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346880182 621337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 5+6 is only 11. :/
< 1346880215 389785 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should it be instead?
< 1346880262 457426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; if it were 12, it'd be easy to deduce the number of bytes from the number of hex digits.
< 1346880285 189706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least 3+3*6 is exactly the necessary 21.
< 1346880296 831712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Intelligent design at work?)
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< 1346880527 291842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes he should just go read how UTF-8 actually works :P
< 1346880808 990577 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think noone knows how UTF-8 works
< 1346880821 974141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats itidus21 -----###
< 1346880853 800802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually quite simple.  i just don't know the actual _details_.
< 1346880888 456594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have added two instructions: ADD2C and SUB2C.
< 1346880954 363178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough to convert codepoints to it in my head, that is.
< 1346881031 835288 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did you figure out how UTF-8 works yet?
< 1346881131 759291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'm reading the history section first
< 1346881151 506924 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If the high bit is 0 it's just a codepoint <128. If it's 1, the first octet indicates how many there are by having that many 1s and then a 0. So 110xxxxx/1110xxxx/11110xxx
< 1346881164 43122 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the rest of the octets are of the form 10xxxxxx.
< 1346881170 615132 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you put all the xs together.
< 1346881193 542183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realize that was the table on top of the next section, right?
< 1346881227 181262 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when do *I* want to encourage the attitude of figuring things out for yourself?
< 1346881240 454405 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd much rather spoonfeed people on IRC by typing in by hand things that they can find for themselves on the INternet.
< 1346881284 264888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i note that the table seems to stop at 6 bytes although only 4 are used in real UTF-8 while the scheme _could_ work up to 8...
< 1346881322 363894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's arbitrary, or maybe it will be explained later.
< 1346881343 700828 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is defined to take 21 bits.
< 1346881351 289709 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, less than 21 bits, actually.
< 1346881357 374140 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so you can encode it with UTF-16.
< 1346881412 865867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i note new characters are assigned all the time.  what's the estimated time until they manage to fill that up?
< 1346881525 605790 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0x10FFFF
< 1346881526 688567 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1114111
< 1346881532 772615 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A while.
< 1346881539 464082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1346881557 757552 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but nothing to stop them making a utf-8-ii
< 1346881597 950672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: right but you'd think they'd learn from the y2k and ipv4 trouble...
< 1346881612 52023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess that hadn't actually happened by then
< 1346881650 991401 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rate of inventing new languages is somewhat lower than the rate of new IP hosts coming online
< 1346881656 281596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: btw the utf-8 part is really fine, as i said the scheme looks extensible up to 8 bytes
< 1346881657 914653 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might be in trouble if they continue this emoji thing
< 1346881667 294665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes but emoticons man...
< 1346881674 267908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's what you said
< 1346881772 18159 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point in the future i expect interactive emoticons
< 1346881782 774912 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i havent figured out exactly how that will work
< 1346881810 751717 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an implementation of Chris Pressey's Full Moon Fever for Synchronet?
< 1346881837 169713 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect them, I demand them.
< 1346881862 513964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it wouldn't be too hard to extend the scheme to arbitrary bytes, just say the length mark 0 can just flow into x'es in the next bytes.
< 1346881908 994020 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ok heres one.. an emoticon which is the backface of a card. and if anyone clicks on it, it flips over for everyone
< 1346881931 24683 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a variant could be a die which gets rolled if clicked upon
< 1346881945 502934 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an emoticon that responds to your inputs, you must keep it happy or it will commit suicide
< 1346881976 299905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :emogothci
< 1346881980 505243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ch
< 1346882010 739971 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its funny how when chatting to others about something good ideas come more readily
< 1346882033 761088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: your idea is obviously possible already with some javascript.
< 1346882058 36086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone connecting to a common game server
< 1346882061 995005 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my past ideas involved guns
< 1346882067 200499 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they all sucked
< 1346882075 607298 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this idea, this has merit
< 1346882086 72900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier to survive, i guess
< 1346882152 323940 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would be something like {img:a.png,onclick:img=b.png}
< 1346882184 895272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: as i said, there is already javascript for achieving it, just a little more verbose.
< 1346882198 263065 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346882216 24568 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have used yahoo chat a long time unlike irc so i am used to animated colour smileys
< 1346882217 557836 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346882246 675711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Linearly extrapolating from Unicode 1 (7161 characters, October 1991) to Unicode 6 (109449 characters, October 2010) means they'll fill it in 184 or so years. (I've gratituously ignored Unicode 6.1 of January 2012, which seems to show they're not really keeping up.)
< 1346882274 401027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so it's slowed down?
< 1346882305 753559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode#Versions has a table.
< 1346882313 602059 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the challenge is to keep it in the context of a scrolling chat, rather than a virtual environment
< 1346882324 304178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd plot it if I knew how to type it up in W|A.
< 1346882333 64996 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :which your javascript comment would make possible as you say
< 1346882342 425763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use your own software instead of W|A
< 1346882372 121681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is always so reasonable.
< 1346882380 701642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Did you find anything in the RogueVM document, which you have question or require changed?
< 1346882409 200046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use gnuplot, but its settings to use "time" data are crummy.
< 1346882413 842999 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I kind of got bored, to be honest
< 1346882496 678338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Then try something else
< 1346882525 868705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: O, well, you did not even write any messages on here past then until now, so I didn't know. Tell someone else if they would know better.
< 1346882749 174733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/unicode.png
< 1346882750 11175 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346882777 866480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should have version number labels at each point and so on.
< 1346882802 573261 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1346882877 876792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it stopped at 6 bytes because of an earlier larger limit
< 1346882896 385009 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :Shachaf
< 1346882979 72528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, early ISO 10646 had 31 bits.
< 1346883019 828870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a mention of the "groups" (256 planes form one) somewhere.
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< 1346884219 432572 :Shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :shachaf
< 1346884364 931659 :Vitriol!~Vitriol@user-109-243-201-106.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346884392 12248 :Vitriol!~Vitriol@user-109-243-201-106.play-internet.pl PART :#esoteric
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< 1346886729 420249 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346887398 597745 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346890597 71563 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd like a Lisp-like language where all functions and macros accepted keyword arguments only, as in all arguments need to be keyworded, and order of arguments does not matter
< 1346890648 572320 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting
< 1346890679 974398 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+ addend=2 augend=2) => 4
< 1346890842 426241 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :expression=(function=+ addend=2 augend=2) => result=4
< 1346890843 960023 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-238.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1346895260 541051 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia piloted a motorized hang glider over an Arctic wilderness area while guiding a flock of migratory birds toward their winter habitat'
< 1346895502 994971 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello Future Trout Magnet, There are 42.8 million Americans
< 1346896125 326432 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.185.214 QUIT :Quit: http://RetroProgramming.com
< 1346897015 390357 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :Nisstyre
< 1346899876 503859 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is now watching the dark underbelly of the Clojure communit
< 1346899885 222918 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, the mailing list is insanely difficult to join
< 1346902020 601993 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :try asking them if O(ln n) is equivalent to O(log_32 n).
< 1346902123 832953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor people
< 1346902501 689508 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1346902553 932246 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lols
< 1346902574 212593 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is researching obscure local political offices in preparation to vote in a primary election tomorrow
< 1346902614 790964 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, one random person appears to be unaware
< 1346902779 420919 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: textbook same - in practice could be more different.
< 1346903483 55825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0o678
< 1346903484 143981 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  55
< 1346903532 740529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (+) 0o678
< 1346903533 803169 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  63
< 1346903643 337305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally caleskell ruins the experiment
< 1346903758 885536 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rage
< 1346904198 113399 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, ?
< 1346904245 257919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you get 63?
< 1346904269 856670 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type o678
< 1346904270 881431 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `o678'
< 1346904320 34986 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, huh. I have totally missed that Haskell has 0o syntax.
< 1346904329 705488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think i shall leave that as an exercise :)
< 1346904354 365746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr
< 1346904354 533178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiver me timbers!
< 1346904356 930147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :heegan
< 1346904376 295296 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s, shachaf, up?
< 1346904395 271397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's iggrammatical, ion.
< 1346904399 725309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that's a great word!
< 1346904401 506550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iggramatical.
< 1346904411 293695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very cromulent, like ignobel
< 1346904417 313161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like I invented it!
< 1346904445 149453 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1346904457 906888 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITYM “that’s, ion, iggrammatical”.
< 1346904472 162045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, ion,'s iggrammatical.
< 1346904584 309211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion't know wuddat means
< 1346904806 187743 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (+) 1
< 1346904807 247124 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (t -> t)
< 1346904807 416907 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `...
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< 1346904825 496375 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::type 0o678
< 1346904832 208330 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type 0o678
< 1346904833 142908 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t t1. (Num (t1 -> t), Num t1) => t
< 1346904837 867096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type 678
< 1346904838 799308 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Num t) => t
< 1346904853 825168 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....right
< 1346904858 677086 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION walks away slowly
< 1346904862 889593 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type o
< 1346904863 909760 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr
< 1346904883 971383 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type 0 o 678
< 1346904884 957542 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t t1. (Num (t1 -> t), Num t1) => t
< 1346904907 631327 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, it doesn't, I think
< 1346904913 424098 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0 o 678
< 1346904914 523406 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0
< 1346904926 385315 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so ... huh
< 1346904949 348935 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (+) 0 o 678
< 1346904950 204493 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `t1 -> t'
< 1346904950 380750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `Simpl...
< 1346904958 387257 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION surrenders.
< 1346905098 224839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: the split is in a logical place when you realize it
< 1346905134 912075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :insidioerjan
< 1346905159 860804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, i believe (+) 0o678 works also outside lambdabot
< 1346905180 853757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although not without the (+)
< 1346905184 132616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had better.
< 1346905248 286547 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: At least my GHC does.
< 1346905263 923137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sg Eo!
< 1346905288 16970 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heo
< 1346905299 543385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> hi "Sgeo"
< 1346905300 395669 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Not in scope: `hi'
< 1346905301 965131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1346905309 800638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1346905378 268519 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let hi (dropWhile (`elem` "bcdfghjklmnpqrstvwxz") -> s) = text ("h" ++ s)
< 1346905378 460988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  ViewPatterns is not enabled
< 1346905412 219920 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let hi = text . ('h':) . dropWhile (`elem` "bcdfghjklmnpqrstvwxz")
< 1346905413 317090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined.
< 1346905417 506657 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> hi "sgeo"
< 1346905419 381375 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  heo
< 1346905546 159991 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, 0o678 isn't actually anything?
< 1346905565 397403 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's supposed to be octal... 8 is not an octal digit
< 1346905574 841044 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an... octit?
< 1346905604 66727 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :t 0o678
< 1346905604 235558 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: (Num a, Num (a -> t)) => t
< 1346905604 955046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `:'
< 1346905611 280967 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0o8 parses as 0 o8 but 0o7 parses as 7.
< 1346905616 927139 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is playing at tryhaskell.org, hopefully that doesn't do oddities
< 1346905620 509640 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a country
< 1346905660 35673 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: rage at the fact that lambdabot is advertised and used as a tool for beginning haskell learners, and yet its behavior is confusing and nonstandard in ways that amount to inside jokes
< 1346905660 208128 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (+) 0o67 8
< 1346905661 228640 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  63
< 1346905672 620822 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume ion knew that
< 1346905691 447442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion knows everything*.
< 1346905702 364192 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what i did last summer.
< 1346905724 217246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you think a Haskell CTF could have any interesting bugs you wouldn't have in other languages?
< 1346905807 80639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : What is "CTF"?
< 1346905809 52230 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what is there to rage about within Clojure?
< 1346905841 494724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Corrupt the flowers.
< 1346905853 272355 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Capture The Flag
< 1346905923 571676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consume the fruit
< 1346906051 727688 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Capitate the females
< 1346906133 132524 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Create The Forks
< 1346906142 744617 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Are there any good guides for making macros that write macros?
< 1346906142 915108 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: you scare me
< 1346906152 876417 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: only one level of recursion?
< 1346906159 374766 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not make macros that write macros that write macros
< 1346906555 298773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not make fix (macros that write)
< 1346906597 832859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :macros that write macros that macros write
< 1346906608 959493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not write macros that right wrongs?
< 1346906658 906184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1346907216 397155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some programming language, writing macros that writes macros works and in others won't work.
< 1346907239 240323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as, C macros does not have a code to write C macros.
< 1346907336 767248 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, and that alone, is why C macros suck.
< 1346907338 612343 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1346907481 224091 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O arglist metadata?
< 1346907580 124677 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real men write C with M4 macros.
< 1346908372 980321 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346909105 548286 :evincar!~jon@173-228-13-253.dsl.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346909726 1994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX macros are allowed to define macros, as well as change the way further text is read.
< 1346909752 823754 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which can be very useful.
< 1346909768 66522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\hi{monqy}
< 1346909934 136587 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A macro I sometimes use is this:  \def\ecall#1{\bgroup\edef\next{\egroup#1}\next}
< 1346909973 784463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which does define a macro the defined macro is lost before it is finished being expanded.
< 1346909989 424204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\define{macro}
< 1346910168 628678 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :defmacro! Everytime I look in your eyes
< 1346910219 634206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :defmackerel
< 1346910311 307236 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346910462 563923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly, expansion in TeX cannot cause changes to values of registers and meanings of control sequences and so on, with one exception: The \csname command will define the control sequence it expands as to mean \relax if it is currently undefined.
< 1346910654 588499 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Bye
< 1346910896 53124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So something like (Global -> Free ((->) Token) [Token]) won't do (actually there are other reasons this won't do).
< 1346911798 309548 :andromedian!~Galactic@unaffiliated/andromedian JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346912863 957426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, C macros that do not have a code to write C macros, is one reason of C macros not very good.
< 1346913146 426905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of idea make up a .NSF file which automatically composes some music and plays it, using the track number as a random number seed or other options perhaps.
< 1346914832 397141 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-238.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Real men write M4 in M4M4
< 1346915344 485222 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.99.87 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1346915766 774969 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: M4M4
< 1346916478 684967 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1346916651 348256 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No performance penalty
< 1346916651 518536 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Mirah directly targets the JVMs type system and JVM bytecode, it performs exactly as well as Java"
< 1346916671 862581 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I'm concerned, the JVM in and of itself is a performance penalty
< 1346916881 899372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says you. Java's faster than C. (If you just pick the right benchmark.)
< 1346916893 905045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote monochrom einstein
< 1346916894 75627 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrom says: einstein's theory implies that haskell cannot be faster than c
< 1346916930 346046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But does it say anything about Java?!
< 1346917075 305549 :andromedian!~Galactic@unaffiliated/andromedian QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1346917136 158877 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs java.*einstein
< 1346917171 889650 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.15424
< 1346917192 220727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useful.
< 1346917206 391378 :evincar!~jon@173-228-13-253.dsl.static.sonic.net PART :#esoteric
< 1346917207 967138 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs einstein.*java
< 1346917217 770042 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.11295
< 1346917272 207527 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.99.87 PART :#esoteric
< 1346917996 130531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blarh. I was all set to go to my 10:30am breakfast/lunch, and then the restaurant in this building is closed for some kind of "private event", and I don't have time to go elsewhere since there's a meeting at 11am; and to add insult to injury, there's a strong smell of food since they're apparently cooking and setting up for that event.  #firstworldproblems
< 1346918439 737012 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could've noticed the signs saying 'THE RESTAURANT IN THIS BUILDING IS CLOSED FOR SOME KIND OF "PRIVATE EVENT" ON THURSDAY' on any earlier day of the week.
< 1346918489 420879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see any signs.
< 1346918504 557087 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure there are signs.
< 1346918536 277050 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw signs on Monday. (And haven't been there since then.)
< 1346918572 134288 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't eaten in this building this week, and I enter from the bicycle stand door and take the stairs there, so I suppose I've just missed them.
< 1346918598 730232 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, the signs would've been near the restaurant.
< 1346918624 473160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would've been nice to have it in ruokalistat.net, but I suppose that's asking a bit too much.
< 1346918676 263913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They do have e.g. "Suljemme ravintolan tänään klo 14.00" for TUAS today. I guess it depends on whether the scrapers happen to pick the stuff up.
< 1346918728 819862 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I don't know how that site gets its info.
< 1346918757 545561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes there's nonsense, so I think it's just kludgy scripts scraping the sites.
< 1346918810 35350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are the yellow single-letter gluten-free/vegetarian/non-lactose indicators, sometimes those end up in the middle of the dishes, leading me to believe it's done by a regexp-replace.
< 1346919021 47405 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346919054 753627 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still in denial about school happening
< 1346919064 205782 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here I am sitting in school
< 1346919082 850441 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Accessing IRC apparently through my school's mail server
< 1346919152 171468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The Stripe CTF slides etc. are up.
< 1346919574 714086 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1346919904 14299 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346921239 213943 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover RE: Fiji shipping, Newfoundland has expensive shipping and I think so does Hawai'i
< 1346921239 556549 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1346925830 906047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: What's that lambdabot command that has a lot of output?
< 1346925835 623582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that shows a raw IRC message.
< 1346927405 59164 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346927407 40875 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@echo
< 1346927407 211268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = "freenode", msgLBName = "lambdabot", msgPrefix = "elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott", msgCommand = "PRIVMSG", msgParams = ["#esoteric",":@echo"]} rest:""
< 1346927408 404626 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1346927982 288233 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1346930394 6412 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.99.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346931781 531996 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: you're not sure if this is IRC or something which appears to be IRC?
< 1346931802 274685 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... i get it the apparent part was whether its via the mail server
< 1346931836 265829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently.
< 1346932088 482329 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-86.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346933300 902596 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346933438 580364 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-114-173.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346933651 133338 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-124-86.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1346933804 90610 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346933966 23327 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1346933966 228849 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages.
< 1346933981 445278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr
< 1346933981 615974 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avast!
< 1346933992 157223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time that happens, I get the urge to write a pointless sympathy message.
< 1346934010 671604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask fizzie thanks :')
< 1346934010 842484 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1346934025 771233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the "@yarr" thing, the no-messages thing, I mean.
< 1346934025 941705 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1346934038 721113 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that's not two.
< 1346934041 322849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1346934041 494931 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia asked 2m 24d 21h 54m 45s ago: could you run clustering and decoy analysis on the current hill plox?
< 1346934041 664191 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf asked 31s ago: thanks :')
< 1346934051 684579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a long time.
< 1346934053 198365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh...
< 1346934060 747597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have said something here less than that ago.
< 1346934072 493165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you probably missed the message back then!
< 1346934087 668420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right.
< 1346934650 579550 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Fueue interpreter has devolved into a mess of varying levels of indentation
< 1346934687 975471 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know what I'm doing now
< 1346934745 451186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you should endeavour to encode all the meaning into the indentations.
< 1346934777 662199 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think first I shall try to work out what the meaning wants to be
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< 1346946262 927100 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-224.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages?
< 1346946263 99419 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today.
< 1346946411 513556 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-224.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I sent you a message
< 1346946435 251786 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages?
< 1346946435 591199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1346946440 745692 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It appears so.
< 1346946444 539447 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-224.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1346946451 253302 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-224.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very important
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< 1346959522 107110 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Finnish ISP’s marketing material for an Internet plan touts that you’ll get up to five Gmail accounts. https://kauppa.dna.fi/tuotteet/laajakaista/Laajakaista/LKKXXL (“Tuotetiedot”)
< 1346959660 494076 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least he might not me lying
< 1346959660 665446 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1346959677 538714 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is more than most marketing materials can say
< 1346959680 785571 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1346959680 991617 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 23h 7m 30s ago:  how do the category work anyway? is their a bot browsing all wiki pages and adding them to the right category pages? <-- it certainly updated immediately when
< 1346959681 126700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i changed things yesterday
< 1346960174 477221 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a question from elsewhere: 'given the c99 standard, does it make sense (or is it even self-consistent) to have a representation for a signed bit field of length 1 that isn't two's complement? (and thus limited to {0, -1})'
< 1346960179 23379 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems appropriate for this venue
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< 1346960636 495090 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the text to brainfuck function called again?
< 1346960696 622588 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I'm afraid I have no idea what you're refering to
< 1346960727 976553 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^t2bf test
< 1346960731 266715 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope
< 1346960731 285219 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :!txt2bf its probably not called this
< 1346960739 840310 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!txt2bf brainfuck
< 1346960741 755676 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^txt2bf its probably not called this either
< 1346960754 41423 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm
< 1346960755 97199 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :>txt2bf a
< 1346960766 949897 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs shubshub
< 1346960790 782087 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.23467
< 1346960809 693489 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen aha
< 1346960813 690579 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​55 ++++++++++[>++++++++++>+>><<<<-]>---.+++++++.-------.>. [41]
< 1346960864 12363 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ++++++++++[>++++++++++>+>><<<<-]>---.+++++++.-------.>.
< 1346960864 560085 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha.
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< 1346962494 921380 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​50 +++++++++++[>+++++++++>+>><<<<-]>--.+.+.--.+.+.>-. [79]
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< 1346962641 764666 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The '-' before the last dot confuses me.  Wouldn't that output a trailing 255-byte, instead of null?
< 1346962653 86297 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming single-byte cells & wraparound)
< 1346962656 88477 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-224.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EOF = -1
< 1346962787 133776 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What confuses me is the >><< in the loop
< 1346962827 15390 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-224.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not perfectly desinged
< 1346962830 505259 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-224.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*designed
< 1346962848 577495 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-224.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I'd venture that to perfectly design it would be an excersize in futility
< 1346962853 366567 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Writing a brainfuck optimiser should be interesting
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< 1346966781 622037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: They're getting rid of QSem in the next release of GHC. Apparently it's broken.
< 1346966787 716911 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1346966798 544611 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :broken how?
< 1346966809 684578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently something to do with exception safety.
< 1346966822 228713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're supposed to use the package SafeSemaphore instead now?
< 1346966839 360247 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell: making stuff safe by putting "Safe" before it since 1992
< 1346966859 280895 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :caring a lot about safety while arguing about what it is
< 1346966894 251283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmcynicism
< 1346966906 499673 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that second one is not really a bad thing
< 1346966940 334223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC 7.6 is out, by the way.
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< 1346967838 113939 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: don't you think it's weird to use a signed number just to have -1? wouldn't it be way more efficient to cover something like {-1, 0, ..., 254}?
< 1346967852 406763 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Oh, cool.
< 1346967924 448574 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's new and cool in  GHC 7.6
< 1346967990 399455 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/7.6.1/html/users_guide/release-7-6-1.html
< 1346967995 936403 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, the CAPI thing is nice.
< 1346968018 969279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAPI?
< 1346968024 163171 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1346968026 469071 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​91 +++++++++++++[>+++++>+++++>+++++>+<<<<-]>>.>.<..>......<....<..>>......<....<....>..>.>---. [912]
< 1346968030 901760 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1346968034 223716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1346968138 412230 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++++[>+++++++>+++++>++++++++>++++++++<<<<-]>>--.>----.<-----------------------------------------.<.>>>-----.<<.>>-----.<<<++++++.++++++++.>.<-------.-.++++..----------.-------.>>>--.<<<+++.>.>.-----.<.<-.+.>>---------.-.>++++++.<<.>>++.+++++.---------.<.<.>.>++..<++++++++++.>.+.<<.>++++++.>-----.<-.<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+++.<---------
< 1346968138 789463 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :------------------------------------------------------------.>+
< 1346968138 808083 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is now possible to defer type errors until
< 1346968157 900790 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ghc_ebooks
< 1346968158 70943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1346968204 829343 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TO RELAX WITH FRIENDS HOW TO RELAX WITH FRIENDS HOW TO RELAX WITH FRIENDS HOW TO RELAX WITH FRIENDS Listen to good music from CDs, tapes
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< 1346968318 76447 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and introducing CD tapes which are surprisingly expensive
< 1346968318 759767 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“An infix alias for mappend in Data.Monoid has been introduced” Wait… wasn’t that in 7.4 or so already?
< 1346968371 307464 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :on account of the technology required to spin a cassette tape as fast as an optical disc
< 1346968403 765841 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it easier than it sounds?
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< 1346968490 598847 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I'm thinking "intertia"
< 1346968507 90705 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm, i respect that figuring out ghc 7.6 is gonna take some attention
< 1346968507 772150 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I really can't seem to type that one correctly
< 1346968511 906113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs.
< 1346968516 929767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC 7.6 breaks a lot of things.
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< 1346968565 987372 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :inert
< 1346968645 338684 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. the public education system taught me to spell separate and surprise..
< 1346968655 759565 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :using computer software
< 1346968677 962681 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a spell checker taught me maybe
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< 1346968813 746074 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I wish they’d actually break a *lot* of existing code so we’d get a bunch of things fixed once and for all.
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< 1346968950 327496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Instead we have to fix everything on every release. :-(
< 1346968984 598579 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1346969042 588453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly finds (<$)'s argument order annoying
< 1346969063 225592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ($>)
< 1346969064 287857 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `$>'
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< 1346969240 182045 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto-optical_drive
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< 1346969523 151408 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats much wilder than what i had in mind.. i was merely thinking of an audio cassette tape attached to a small cd
< 1346969763 586870 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite dizzying to consider progress
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< 1346972248 716821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : The '-' before the last dot confuses me.  Wouldn't that output a trailing 255-byte, instead of null?
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< 1346972259 433980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it outputs a trailing 10-byte, actually.
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< 1346974026 263860 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I was thinking
< 1346974041 940873 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that idea of "Lahey-space" for funges
< 1346974048 375641 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1346974076 404858 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of making the wrapping continuous, having it keep the property of "being on the same line"
< 1346974106 701641 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's the idea that most int / char / whatever integer types in many esolangs wrap
< 1346974119 593338 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for instance 255+1 may be 0)
< 1346974138 514801 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was thinking "what about apllying the idea of Lahey-space to that?"
< 1346974170 184309 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, 255+1 gives 0, but maybe 128*2 does not give 0
< 1346974172 265824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1346974252 332976 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know what it would be but I'm pretty sure there's something to be found here
< 1346974356 523876 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and with that thought I'm gonna head off to bed, see you :)
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< 1346975761 803982 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :  9 Power_On_Hours          0x0032   000   000   000    Old_age   Always       -       205969452541786
< 1346975789 977791 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my brand new drive has been powered on for approximately 23 billion years
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< 1346980075 164067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (sin . cos .)
< 1346980076 169290 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    The operator `.' [infixr 9] of a section
< 1346980076 341130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        must have lower precedence than that of the operand,
< 1346980076 368482 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :          namely `.' [infixr 9]
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< 1346991907 59572 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chainsawsuit.com/2012/09/06/new-pizza-hut-fraczas/
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< 1347004145 785257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Yay, you deal with the mmap thing this time.
< 1347004416 725436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Is it just me or do I hate #haskell?
< 1347004476 87907 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It’s not you, it’s Hitler.
< 1347005898 994558 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1347020108 465651 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1347020250 626682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jello.
< 1347020284 820164 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cello
< 1347020316 476858 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347020345 270180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yello(w).
< 1347020403 195092 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bordello
< 1347020408 605582 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :othello
< 1347020483 203420 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morello.
< 1347020487 501389 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :'ello
< 1347020492 639698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bargello.
< 1347020512 641383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I hadn't even heard of these 'ellos before.)
< 1347020514 382077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn morello
< 1347020514 934022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "morello" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1347020515 106374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :morello
< 1347020515 125118 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: any of several cultivated sour cherry trees bearing fruit
< 1347020515 125301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :         with dark skin and juice [syn: {morello}, {Prunus cerasus
< 1347020515 125404 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :         austera}]
< 1347020516 983386 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    2: cultivated sour cherry with dark-colored skin and juice
< 1347020518 687273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn bargello
< 1347020519 30032 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "bargello" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1347020521 153894 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bargello
< 1347020523 28536 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: needlepoint embroidery stitch that produces zigzag lines
< 1347020524 953911 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :         [syn: {bargello}, {flame stitch}]
< 1347020554 653332 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, one of bargello’s synonyms is bargello?
< 1347020585 278590 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> compare "bargello" "bargello"  -- copypaste check
< 1347020586 337108 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  EQ
< 1347020653 448723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just the whole set.
< 1347020660 975343 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that one of morello's synonyms is morello.
< 1347020693 211448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The command-line tool outputs "1. bargello, flame stitch -- (needlepoint embroidery stitch that produces zigzag lines)" which makes a bit more sense.
< 1347022169 838984 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, greek is apparently very remotely related to any other living languages
< 1347022190 85402 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that's the reason I had no idea until now which languages it was related to
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< 1347026023 360182 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.99.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if anyone is going to Spectrum 30 tomorrow? http://www.spectrum30.org.uk
< 1347026085 583005 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a has-a-Speccy-past friend, but I doubt he's going to UK just for that.
< 1347026314 630314 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is this the official channel of PEZ?
< 1347026395 349985 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.99.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had to google PEZ.
< 1347026447 410306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought PEZ was one of those universal kind of things.
< 1347026542 485934 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it just hasn't reached hexham yet
< 1347026596 968667 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or wherever impomatic is)
< 1347026627 798480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Hexham. Not absolutely everything is Hexham (yet).
< 1347026641 373610 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347026644 307658 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everything, you say? weird.
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< 1347026972 144149 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :But Labour MPs accused the Tories of trying to "gerrymander" the system and claimed the changes will produce major anomalies as seats are carved up to reduce the overall number.[...]The new Hexham seat for example would take in part of Gateshead, which currently forms a section of the Blaydon constituency that would completely disappear under the shake-up
< 1347027128 501987 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you move Hexham to Gateshead, what happens to whatever was previously at Gateshead?
< 1347027564 725322 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this http://sacvs.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/watkins_punishment_600_410.jpg
< 1347027719 623196 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.99.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boston, not Hexham.
< 1347028193 121737 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lt
< 1347028196 961952 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gt
< 1347028197 649230 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eq
< 1347028289 568291 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Boston, north Hexham"
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< 1347028654 715171 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so there's a 105 SEK pocket edition that I can buy, and also a 69 SEK pocket that "hasn't been published yet"
< 1347028724 658690 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that means the available one is the "pocket for nearsighted people with very large pockets" edition
< 1347029023 312813 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theworldbyroad.com/expedition/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/shower-2.jpg
< 1347029107 944323 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if the water gets electrified, will that really affect you? I suspect the pipe will be a better grounding than either of you or the water anyway
< 1347029345 775277 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it’s completely safe, nothing whatsoever to worry about.
< 1347029613 269163 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically it's an electric shower head?
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< 1347030225 43072 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-251.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1347030265 329105 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have experienced some difficulty to get the Star Trek Google Doodle to work in Internet Explorer and in Firefox. To experience the Google doodle as it were intended we recommend that you use Google Chrome for it to work 100%
< 1347030347 352899 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upgrade to Google Doodle Premium now for only 1 soul?
< 1347030385 201369 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The FTC settlement included a disclosure provision where Intel must: "...publish clearly that its compiler discriminates against non-Intel processors (such as AMD's designs), not fully utilizing their features and producing inferior code."
< 1347030410 755854 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347030435 925344 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i wouldn't call it opportunism
< 1347030448 115637 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages?
< 1347030448 286508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today.
< 1347030483 36331 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2+2
< 1347030484 227627 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4
< 1347030487 960871 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1347030491 302543 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2+2
< 1347030492 348489 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4
< 1347030510 954633 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: it should be 5
< 1347030592 981874 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2+2=5 in 2+2
< 1347030594 10602 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  5
< 1347030606 177513 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (+) = 5 in 2+2
< 1347030607 411955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  5
< 1347030613 498192 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow
< 1347030620 94349 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot has some crazy instances
< 1347030662 653819 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2+2
< 1347030663 677545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4
< 1347030714 537860 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1347030734 856249 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 5-2
< 1347030735 927397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  3
< 1347030756 262551 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2+3 = 5 in 2+2
< 1347030757 288483 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  *Exception: :3:4-10: Non-exhaustive patterns in function +
< 1347030762 606620 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see
< 1347030786 453652 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2+2 = 5 in 1+2+2
< 1347030787 728811 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  *Exception: :3:4-10: Non-exhaustive patterns in function +
< 1347030807 340641 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2+2 = 5 in 1+(2+2)
< 1347030808 706052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  *Exception: :3:4-10: Non-exhaustive patterns in function +
< 1347030825 88777 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh I see
< 1347030826 925808 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2+2 = 5; 1+5 = 8 in 1+(2+2)
< 1347030827 783958 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  8
< 1347030831 873186 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 5-2=2 in 5-2
< 1347030832 726993 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2
< 1347030876 11089 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x+y = y in 2+2
< 1347030877 316439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2
< 1347030880 419408 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeay
< 1347031204 717070 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is a fun language
< 1347031240 3077 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let id 0 = 0; id n = (n * 2) in map id [1..10]
< 1347031240 899196 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20]
< 1347031754 206650 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runKleisli (Kleisli return >>> Kleisli (\x -> [1,2,3,x])) 1
< 1347031755 231496 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,2,3,1]
< 1347032396 717529 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1347033695 550694 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347034285 24913 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22
< 1347034384 302719 :augur!~augur@129-2-182-167.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347034480 895814 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1347035031 494860 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347036733 635140 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: why would you need to specify id 0 = 0?
< 1347036744 841374 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Becuase it completely shadows id
< 1347036746 903937 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a new id
< 1347036753 205482 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait
< 1347036760 998042 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I changed my mind half way through writing it
< 1347036765 651359 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1347036906 748887 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347036981 864128 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1347036991 759397 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.99.87 QUIT :Quit: impomatic
< 1347037117 785784 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.131 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347037606 270206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347038837 908791 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347039502 996643 :danko!~danko@2.177.158.23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347039728 985351 :danko!~danko@2.177.158.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1347039757 459721 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey
< 1347040065 110351 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347040128 810881 :danko!~danko@2.177.158.23 PART :#esoteric
< 1347040487 248628 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty cool guy, that danko
< 1347041025 135508 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1347041148 623475 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1347041204 352508 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347042324 78628 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what happens when.. gorillas are given access to search engines
< 1347042341 296965 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cameras to make pics available as search results
< 1347042364 779153 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty much nothing
< 1347042373 951304 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they get suicidal
< 1347042443 265291 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, what happens when we let animals have their own internets
< 1347042517 375292 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, pretty much nothing
< 1347042523 345072 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :first we make them dependant on the internet
< 1347042541 441680 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :by making them abandon their old ways of doing things, and their old traditions
< 1347042612 62968 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... yeah... i dont think im thinking clearly
< 1347042975 538694 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1347043153 989938 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.99.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347043550 968502 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347043556 717098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1347043558 705870 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
< 1347043680 195993 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-251.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric
< 1347043697 788412 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347044527 138719 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347045042 822366 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347045062 141976 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might accidentally qualify for a math minor.
< 1347045206 593161 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How so?
< 1347045421 951694 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1347045465 420037 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4195c.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347045725 298019 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4195c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Leibniz_Monadology_2.jpg
< 1347045747 332237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347045756 267836 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4195c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he finally got it right
< 1347045764 214196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did? yay!
< 1347045793 871834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only took me 14 years
< 1347045844 660636 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4195c.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :axl rose too
< 1347045955 178065 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-193-122.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347045975 389554 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happened to take so many math classes that, without deliberately seeking to, I might qualify
< 1347045983 840827 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not have minoring in math as a goal
< 1347045986 926728 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well done?
< 1347046026 489745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW IF HIS SCHOOL ONLY HAD REAL MATH
< 1347046041 281298 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me
< 1347046044 502273 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I start Groups soon
< 1347046050 799574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is filling in for the other cynics today
< 1347046080 569435 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing other stuff too
< 1347046081 464671 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um
< 1347046092 911614 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algebra type stuff
< 1347046106 16048 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-207-250.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1347046358 257512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subdirectly_irreducible_algebra
< 1347046414 174510 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm only up to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_fraction
< 1347046415 135031 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1347046453 826992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok, you'll get to the S'es soon enough
< 1347047011 451096 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.99.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think of the Google Nexus 7? I might buy one tomorrow...
< 1347047216 101235 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347047346 371920 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :java.awt.Robot looks like it could be fun
< 1347047350 815792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks
< 1347047417 727722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, greek is apparently very remotely related to any other living languages <-- what crackpot got _you_ today?
< 1347047436 901067 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He may be thinking of Basque
< 1347047448 112855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...doesn't precisely help.
< 1347047521 871977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1347047525 179237 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there's like one other living language in the whole hellenic language group, but it's dying
< 1347047542 492614 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greek had a lot of influence on Latin
< 1347047555 289016 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hence the romantic languages and English
< 1347047573 50615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: um greek is indoeuropean.  that means it's rather closer related to say english and swedish than to any language which isn't
< 1347047577 891810 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the closest relation to other languages seems to be that it's indo-european, but "almost everything" is
< 1347047603 887977 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tree model is a poor approximation at best
< 1347047688 314084 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was typed in using a Clojure REPL that has access to awtbot
< 1347047693 923188 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I press Enter myself)
< 1347047714 203423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually recall a theory that implies that languages are _not_ all related - namely that in some places with very friendly climate new language families may be created by children getting lost before learning to speak.  it supposedly might explain why new guinea as such an enormous amount of language families (iirc the theory also said there was a part of california that used to be like this)
< 1347047731 466925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has such an
< 1347047737 13852 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was slow
< 1347047793 305225 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah, but learn a germanic language and a romance language and you have a head start on a large proportion of european languages, but knowing any or all of those seems to help very poorly when it comes to understanding greek
< 1347047806 434837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hey just because indo-european is the largest language family doesn't mean there are no others.
< 1347047839 120595 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, you're just picking on the wrong ends of everything I've said :)
< 1347047871 260403 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a test, this is only a test.
< 1347047872 660175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's because they all share a lot of latin loanwords, but there are greek ones too.
< 1347047906 22794 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347047929 704439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347047951 313205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't bet on it helping with russian or hungarian either :)
< 1347047972 554173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than greek, that is
< 1347047996 660297 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the greek loan words seem to be either less popular or a lot less useful, or just not in the relevant parts of the language
< 1347047996 679649 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-7-96.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Basque or Finnish
< 1347048118 197675 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'm referring to is things like using knowledge in {spanish,french,italian,latin} to decipher text in any of the other languages, which seems to usually work fairly well
< 1347048137 564185 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and that the set of non-greek languages useful for doing the same in greek seems to be empty
< 1347048346 392192 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
< 1347048365 8816 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: wat!
< 1347048370 921425 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
< 1347048384 858491 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's an awful lot of hi
< 1347048389 265357 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why dont you learn armenian?
< 1347048398 771093 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should try to have some fun with the Robot]
< 1347048403 515718 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would I want to do that!?
< 1347048424 191606 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why dont you learn russian?
< 1347048561 261756 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that was me reflecting on going to greece and my vaguely existing skills in other european languages being useless for understanding greek
< 1347048819 777322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall once reading armenian is closest to greek, although it may not have been very firm
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< 1347049013 720472 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_language implies they're usually considered separate branches of indo-european, but that other groupings have been proposed
< 1347049091 339565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes, closest branch.
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< 1347049202 563303 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does norway have cabbage pudding?
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< 1347049306 710978 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i went to a talk where the speaker kept prefacing his theorems with "If ZFC is consistent, then"
< 1347049316 1341 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :people made fun of him for this a bit
< 1347049400 534381 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey guys, I've got a proof that ZFC is consistent!"
< 1347049404 849964 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fuck you."
< 1347049448 798352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? Would some theorems fail if ZFC is inconsistent? If ZFC is inconsistent wouldn't everything be a theorem?
< 1347049473 755090 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If you prove ZFC consistent using ZFC, it is not consistent.
< 1347049511 714949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: not exactly i think
< 1347049513 600304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes I know that too; I was refering to lexande_'s message about the speaker who kept prefacing his theorems with "If ZFC is consistent, then"
< 1347049552 30004 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 
< 1347049556 330928 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-161-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is ZFC the one that's equivalent to Axiom of Choice?
< 1347049560 522197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nrk.no/mat/1.6150114 has a recipe in norwegian - by tina nordström :)
< 1347049591 141717 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it contains the AoC as an axiom
< 1347049596 288180 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-161-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1347049605 588196 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zorns lemma is equivalent to the aoc
< 1347049609 660731 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, the theorems were like, if ZFC is consistent then there is a model of a multiverse of forcing with these properties
< 1347049630 441767 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, ZFC is just the usual axioms of set theory/maths, including Choice
< 1347049632 914889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande_: O, OK. So that's why he did that.
< 1347049637 906216 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-161-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of Zorn's lemma
< 1347049657 426679 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-161-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly the Well Ordering Principle
< 1347049672 558749 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-146-161-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is like yesterday when I got 5th Cell and Level 5 mixed up
< 1347049674 518247 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here's one in english: http://swedecheese.blogspot.se/2008/05/food-journal-number-39-klpudding.html
< 1347049689 481356 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's simpler too)
< 1347049784 385511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i think no:kålruletter (rather old-fashioned) is about the same as sv:kåldolmar, however
< 1347049806 232978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized what I forgot in RogueVM which is banks of the screen grid (like screen pages on PC)
< 1347049857 977963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect two pages is sufficient, but if you don't agree, please notify me.
< 1347049901 286780 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think that's essentially the same as cabbage pudding but in a different format
< 1347049918 172345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Axiom of Choice is obviously true, the well-ordering principle obviously false, and who can tell about Zorn's lemma?"
< 1347049938 693589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well yes it was mentioned in a pudding page
< 1347049954 175070 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems a lot trickier to make too
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< 1347050129 893100 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I keep thinking that lifeboats are small things that hold maybe 4 people?
< 1347050149 120039 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in some cases they are?
< 1347050356 22995 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347050462 533367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know a XML reading library in C?
< 1347050556 490182 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once did
< 1347050630 126651 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/Mev10.jpg
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< 1347051035 539334 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:27:24:  I start Groups soon
< 1347051035 558101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what
< 1347051040 95992 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't you at sch--- wait it's september
< 1347051305 298904 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1347051669 683911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :..  A HUSH FALLS OVER THE AREN.    .HE FIG.TERS APPROACH THE RING
< 1347051834 380520 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347051847 140270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :Guest96629
< 1347051859 164096 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523
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< 1347051954 670808 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION picks up the Hush and puts it back on its perch.
< 1347051985 558459 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Typically a crystal ball is connected to the chip at OSC1 and OSC2 pins."
< 1347052003 941313 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it an oracle chip?
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< 1347052116 19015 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing OSC stands for oracular sensor chip (circuit?) or somesuch
< 1347052172 233955 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oracular Scintillator?
< 1347052238 193684 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously, the word "ball" was not originally there)
< 1347053224 10643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1347053474 14583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldr (>>=) return
< 1347053475 46951 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: b = a -> b
< 1347053475 217562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Probable cause: `>>=' is applied to too many arguments
< 1347053475 256243 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the first argument of `foldr', namely `(>>=)'
< 1347053490 909067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t foldr (>>=) (return ())
< 1347053491 939409 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: b = a -> b
< 1347053492 112001 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Probable cause: `>>=' is applied to too many arguments
< 1347053492 130642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    In the first argument of `foldr', namely `(>>=)'
< 1347053535 474294 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, someone was trying to build a botloop in #clojure
< 1347053581 375055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realized he wanted sequence_ instead
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< 1347055207 429120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pred '0'
< 1347055209 46388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '/'
< 1347055381 775941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pred '/'
< 1347055383 141377 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '.'
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< 1347055630 450289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: doesn't your brainfunct truth-machine have an off-by-one error?  i.e. loops on '0' rather than '1'
< 1347055768 969373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen doesn't your brainfunct truth-machine have an off-by-one error?  i.e. loops on '0' rather than '1'
< 1347055769 102295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1347056350 127096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like these ideas for scenarios of the Dungeons&Dragons game?   * The sun rises in the wrong place.   * Suddenly the money changes into different money.   * The phase of the moon is now different shapes other than round, such as square and hexagon and so on.   * A dwarf walks in to a bar (ouch). Heal him, please.   * Help a beholder find his lost monocle/glasses.
< 1347056466 183562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :* A war occurs over unclaimed land.   * Some people assign the party to a completely impossible task (not because it is too difficult, but because of references to things that do not exist, or illogical things, etc).   * Kjugobe and other illithids pursued by illithid slayers and evil druids. The illithid slayers and evil druid should probably be defeated.   * The king is allergic to magic and wishes all spellcasters (arcane, divine, and psionic) d
< 1347056484 368702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :* You find a map, but it is all wrong.
< 1347057630 554034 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them
< 1347057703 618683 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :where some means  none <= some <= all
< 1347057716 807244 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK yes that is what I thought you meant.
< 1347057721 528100 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1347057742 306232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However that is not specific as to what?
< 1347057750 505482 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly
< 1347057830 57479 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :scenarios are quite strange
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< 1347057908 756954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :* The king of another city is attacking gibbering mouthers as well as anyone who enters his city. Hold the second one as you hold a pencil, in order to save the gibbering mouthers from the king's army. Bonus points if you give Potion of Confusing to gibbering mouthers who like that.   * Someone wants to charge minstrels everywhere royalties. Stop their evil scheme.   * A few magical items are found; you must not only figure out exactly what they do
< 1347057913 969096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope this message is not too long.
< 1347058029 533592 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my useless contribution doubled it's size. 
< 1347058067 850096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it exactly double?
< 1347058090 501323 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah
< 1347058116 6955 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, i think you could afford to make it 50 lines long... 
< 1347058138 760246 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :excluding my part of it
< 1347058186 129938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ... exactly what they do
< 1347058211 502250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the last word you have received in the long message?
< 1347058228 32277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just told you.
< 1347058295 592388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the previous one stopped at (arcane, divine, and psionic) d
< 1347058307 303959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :* A few magical items are found; you must not only figure out exactly what they do (identification magic cannot be used), but also how to effectively use them for escape.
< 1347058313 736649 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :* The king is allergic to magic and wishes all spellcasters (arcane, divine, and psionic) destroyed (including the royal spellcasters).
< 1347058317 261673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it OK now?
< 1347058322 98068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks so
< 1347058359 187413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shun magic, and shun the appearance of magic! Shun everything, and then shun shunning!"
< 1347058392 978198 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what people who think that Rails is too "magic" think of Clojure stuff, considering the usage of macros
< 1347058404 893341 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do macros tend to feel less magic than run-time metaprogramming?
< 1347058418 41370 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so yes
< 1347058428 982433 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can ask for the macro expansion
< 1347058443 764541 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know Clojure but I think in general, both macros and run-time can be useful.
< 1347058462 916664 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're sort of visual analogies
< 1347058475 507840 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in simple cases and with tasteful use of quasiquoting
< 1347058616 721209 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is suddenly sad that Tcl doesn't have quasiquoting
< 1347058621 771567 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so it worked out at about 23 lines.
< 1347058755 298709 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you like this game?
< 1347058766 451330 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Some people assign the party to a completely impossible task (not because it is too difficult, but because of references to things that do not exist, or illogical things, etc). <-- this is a fairly good explanation of koans :D
< 1347058781 443853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does quasiquoting work?
< 1347058793 650704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In those programming language?
< 1347058805 433065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: OK.
< 1347058854 275512 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg. The king assigned his best knight to find a man who could demonstrate the sound of one hand clapping.
< 1347058882 154404 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^well a man or woman
< 1347058901 217880 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^anyone or anything who could
< 1347059033 744495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm not particularly interested
< 1347059092 33184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK.
< 1347059288 46710 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1347059324 706841 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all this talk of scenarios reminds me of an interview with a final fantasy scenario writer where he explained that if scenario writing was automated he would be out of a job
< 1347059382 691250 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so on the subject of humans jobs being automated by machines, the machines don't really make mistakes. and when they do they follow fairly pre-defined routines to deal with them
< 1347059406 137493 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if in practice they need help when they fail, then they are not infact entirely automated
< 1347059432 919269 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also, when humans do a job they always consider ways it can be done better or differently
< 1347059449 814659 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when they make mistakes it can inspire breakthrouhgs
< 1347059480 730229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote them by hand. Some are based on ones from other sources, some are based on a computer game I have written, and some I just wrote my own. Automated programs can sometimes help a little bit but you still have to program it and modify its program to make a new one, and then if you don't like the result, modify it.
< 1347059483 354282 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so machines are learning to react to feedback
< 1347059496 879058 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :however
< 1347059510 322899 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that its just not the same
< 1347059991 695061 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :once a machine spends all it's time experimenting on work, it's no longer doing work
< 1347059994 31287 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1347060035 278838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347060038 250676 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://github.com/albertz/playground/blob/master/test_importearlyexit.py
< 1347060221 794021 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Now, how do you fully automate them if humans make mistakes
< 1347060328 84082 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that nothing truely gets perfected
< 1347060376 557872 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :because... i could barely parse that sentence.. thats my excuse
< 1347060381 333614 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :for being wrong
< 1347060420 598361 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it really that wrong to want to use java.awRobot as a fun toy?
< 1347060432 577166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, java.awt.Robot
< 1347060482 365957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :urd
< 1347060483 246578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yes
< 1347060486 225132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're morally culpable
< 1347060580 296422 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :##java didn't like my implication that my reason for wanting to use java.awt.Robot was becuase it seemed fun
< 1347060590 94105 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i want to make a robot in 2d using textured vector graphics which can position it's legs using inverse kinematics
< 1347060619 206826 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then again im not sure that i do
< 1347060673 285551 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347060723 714000 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its one of many things
< 1347060726 926753 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awtbot is a nice Clojure library for using it, but it has an idiotic with-robot macro. Maybe it was written before doto worked with all forms?
< 1347060957 313827 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 
< 1347060958 253487 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 
< 1347060958 973427 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 
< 1347060962 45453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 
< 1347060962 215856 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 
< 1347060977 122817 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1347061040 401490 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and here i was thinking it might relate to robotics :P
< 1347061046 404493 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just looked up what its for
< 1347061093 763204 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hi
< 1347061132 424931 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like it could be useful for writing aimbots in video games
< 1347061808 197181 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PART #esoteric :"/leave #esoteric /leave #esoteric [...]"
< 1347062128 547002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347064399 970092 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you're not allowed to "use" things in Java, only "leverage" them
< 1347064685 971946 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you enjoy
< 1347064913 41995 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, someone has implemented Conway's game of life, and someone else a brainfuck interpreter... *in spacechem*
< 1347064913 496392 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1347064918 73099 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1347064918 532911 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 2h 32m 30s ago: doesn't your brainfunct truth-machine have an off-by-one error? i.e. loops on '0' rather than '1'
< 1347064919 42622 :evincar!~jon@70.42.240.22 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347064936 444209 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
< 1347064998 335843 :Dovregubben!~kurt@c-67-160-13-34.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1347065020 682394 :Dovregubben!~kurt@c-67-160-13-34.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347065021 140685 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 48
< 1347065022 470237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '0'
< 1347065049 85530 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1347065070 964192 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wrote an interpreter for brainfunct and I checked the truth-machine, it was working
< 1347065081 853439 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347065089 735100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote another interpreter and it didn't :/
< 1347065101 117849 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm maybe the functions are numbered differently
< 1347065116 288653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cat works
< 1347065141 796920 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1347065153 718974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "///////////////////////////////////////////////"
< 1347065154 571166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  47
< 1347065167 188133 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1347065175 269582 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I just copypasted it wrong
< 1347065181 46856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 47 initial /'s, so the .@ function following them is on 48
< 1347065221 917503 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1347065234 238733 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my interpreter just looped on 0
< 1347065277 910090 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, should be better now
< 1347065347 350448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it works
< 1347065364 753046 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny thing, the brainfunct program is tail-recursive but my interpreter doesn't acknowledge that, because of the 'for' loop
< 1347065395 833487 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should fix that by taking the last step out of the for loop
< 1347065417 205965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I/O be binary or text-mode?
< 1347065440 545044 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :textmode
< 1347065452 2056 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like all brainfuck-likes
< 1347065466 838697 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "///////////////////////////////////////////////"
< 1347065468 17925 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  47
< 1347065470 765002 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erk
< 1347066081 221985 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird, it should be tail recursive now, but it still says Stack_overflow
< 1347066193 438405 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length [1..]
< 1347066197 291686 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  mueval-core: Time limit exceeded
< 1347066525 758764 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :G. Steele seems to be much better than my current PG (Cahill) but they are too expensive.
< 1347066575 15670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts his haskell interpreter on the wiki page
< 1347066622 592433 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what, a Haskell interpreter in an esolang?
< 1347066636 23879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i distinctly expected that comment
< 1347066649 27529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, it's brainfunct in haskell
< 1347066651 413410 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then your expectations are correct.
< 1347066662 638857 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly was confused, not trying to make a joke. I am unconfused
< 1347066687 29038 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fought hard not to make the joke
< 1347066706 962494 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, hum, some guy wrote a brainfuck interpreter in spacechem
< 1347066711 587724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i couldn't resist keeping it in
< 1347066726 796500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: btw i support nesting
< 1347066733 926738 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1347066742 567077 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made one Haskell program on esolang wiki on its own page; the raw contents of the page are a valid Haskell program and the page can also be read like other wiki page. Such thing can be done with Haskell.
< 1347066743 247411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory anyhow, i haven't tested except by modifying the cat
< 1347066760 60176 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how useful nesting can be, though
< 1347066795 261023 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" This is great news for you, and bad news for malware generators, because:"
< 1347066806 436079 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, for all you know, blog post, I might be a malware generator!
< 1347066814 207237 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not in fact a malware generator.
< 1347066821 438258 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzzLzUCRmBw&feature=player_embedded
< 1347066848 351419 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Haskell sounds like a very hard to read ocaml
< 1347066879 655486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1347066893 649128 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocaml syntax is fugly
< 1347066898 481917 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell syntax is more complicated but nicer
< 1347066941 99775 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is it Literate Haskell?
< 1347066970 353826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This game is difficult I only have one C so if he is injured, I am probably going to lose.
< 1347066991 854746 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just checked and Literate Haskell is in the Report
< 1347066992 65476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, it is Literate Haskell. You can embed Literate Haskell in HTML, XML, MediaWiki, TeX, and other formats without much difficult.
< 1347066995 76923 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it wasn't
< 1347067007 355252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, now you know.
< 1347067033 567971 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and knowing is haf the battle
< 1347067062 295707 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm not sure brainfunct is equivalent to brainfuck, actually
< 1347067079 615890 :evincar!~jon@70.42.240.22 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347067132 659555 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lacks a test instruction - the truth-machine is a good example of this lack
< 1347067218 716679 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should start a band named The Regents of the University of California
< 1347067233 757460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are you going to do so?
< 1347067239 682731 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1347067276 29021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: you can simulate brainfuck with a smaller cell size, i think
< 1347067287 522872 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so?
< 1347067388 937404 :evincar!~jon@70.42.240.22 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347067400 391155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say you need k branch points in the program, and your brainfuck has cells 0 ... n-1, then you can add n*i where i is the number of your branch
< 1347067423 246760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :may need some off by one tweaking
< 1347067472 189501 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummmm I'm pretty sure I did not understand what you just said
< 1347067473 233876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for this you need brainfunct cell values 1 .. n*k
< 1347067545 476973 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is 3 in the morning and I'm tired and I have to get up in 4h and a half so I'll read the logs tomorrow to try to understand
< 1347067549 299492 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you
< 1347067554 513837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1347067566 501400 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Are you telling me you can build a time machine but you can't cook a cheese soufflé? You've got your priorities all wrong!
< 1347068025 643222 :evincar!~jon@70.42.240.22 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347068118 289258 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does HackEgo have the JVM? Can it be installed?
< 1347068151 972098 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`where java
< 1347068158 775405 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run where java
< 1347068163 136266 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: where: not found
< 1347068171 461714 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :buh
< 1347068180 278593 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: where: command not found
< 1347068236 460258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/j*
< 1347068239 718553 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/joustreport \ bin/jousturl \ bin/json
< 1347068243 592296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /bin/j*
< 1347068246 772504 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /bin/j*: No such file or directory
< 1347068252 673248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /
< 1347068255 732731 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ opt \ proc \ sbin \ sys \ tmp \ usr \ var
< 1347068285 829590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /bin/*jc
< 1347068288 149621 :evincar!~jon@70.42.240.22 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347068288 490866 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /bin/*jc: No such file or directory
< 1347068294 757175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`where gjc
< 1347068297 772579 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: where: not found
< 1347068317 102717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1347068355 491391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /usr/bin/j*
< 1347068359 4356 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/jar \ /usr/bin/jarsigner \ /usr/bin/java \ /usr/bin/javac \ /usr/bin/javadoc \ /usr/bin/javah \ /usr/bin/javap \ /usr/bin/javaws \ /usr/bin/jcf-dump \ /usr/bin/jcf-dump-4.3 \ /usr/bin/jcf-dump-4.4 \ /usr/bin/jconsole \ /usr/bin/jdb \ /usr/bin/jexec \ /usr/bin/jhat \ /usr/bin/jinfo \ /usr/bin/jmap \ /usr/bin/join \ /usr/bin/jps \ /usr/bin/jrunscript \ /usr/bin/js \ /usr/bin/jsadebugd \ /usr/bin/jstack
< 1347068364 16103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go
< 1347068371 218453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now reading Java documentation
< 1347068373 835009 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel sad at this
< 1347068386 436554 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I shouldn't have to read Java documentation
< 1347068469 909696 :evincar!~jon@70.42.240.22 PART :#esoteric
< 1347068586 774597 :Dovregubben!~kurt@c-67-160-13-34.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1347068622 502185 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ObjectFactoryBuilder
< 1347068644 684454 :Dovregubben!~kurt@c-67-160-13-34.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347068653 165765 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :StateFactory
< 1347068664 812724 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ValueFactory
< 1347068760 605929 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the workers in your factory are going to unionize
< 1347068779 67960 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1347068789 619565 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the Factory pattern have ... a name, exactly?
< 1347068800 625693 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's so esoteric about a function that returns an object?
< 1347068846 838107 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... hm
< 1347068875 884334 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347068887 875624 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like a problem easily solved by having classes be first-class
< 1347068984 982416 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1347069049 148027 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347069050 388400 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf
< 1347069056 500347 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't arch linux's ghc package 7.6.1 yet
< 1347069092 574911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1347069107 556096 :Dovregubben!~kurt@c-67-160-13-34.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1347069217 697046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1347069221 28603 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am very displeased shachaf
< 1347069434 497091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i _almost_ made my first brainfuck interpreter today
< 1347069442 474991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it was brainfunct instead.
< 1347069529 16482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sounds like you're brainfunct in the head
< 1347069558 332105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1347069559 12323 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA [audience applauds] [member of audience shot] [bomb explodes in the air] [confetti comes out of the bomb] [spontaneous party begins]
< 1347069580 799813 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[everyone wakes up the next day smelling of petrol and thinking about puppies]
< 1347069653 390753 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable
< 1347069707 542295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is alive??
< 1347069746 643601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as he gets fed enough brains
< 1347069772 685195 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1347069782 65760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[the face of a well-known politician covered in chocolate smiling forever]
< 1347069812 535054 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[an image of your death but instead of you it's a cardboard cutout of bill, the guy in the photocopier]
< 1347069826 82890 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is doall vs dorun always going to trip me up?
< 1347069840 162414 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For the Clojure impaired, doall is like sequence and dorun is like sequence_)
< 1347069906 607602 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347069925 462738 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, racist
< 1347069988 657436 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347070124 686846 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1347071801 242176 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
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< 1347072450 406283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sorry. :-(
< 1347072470 881483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The Arch maintainers tried, but I kept getting in their way.
< 1347072520 989829 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Thank you for your apology.
< 1347072529 857359 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you know about upgrading GHc with the binary distribution?
< 1347072537 492505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it correctly uninstall stuff if I just run it or do I need to rm -r /opt/ghc?
< 1347072538 730153 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347072550 872332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why rm?
< 1347072553 47685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disk space is cheap.
< 1347072563 97719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a bunch of things aren't 7.6-compatible yet.
< 1347072579 633543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: rm as opposed to what?
< 1347072608 90365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to not uninstall the old GHC.
< 1347072612 79601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have more than one, you know.
< 1347072616 251873 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom__Hoover
< 1347072641 160240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1347072666 538355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a combination VHS/DVD I want to know how to write software to replace the one on there, to add some features which are missing and to make it run faster.
< 1347073061 528932 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but /opt/ghc
< 1347073066 207393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not /opt/ghc-whateverversion
< 1347073072 291919 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/opt/ghc-7.4.1 apparently
< 1347073079 627347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So?
< 1347073086 326826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did it come to /opt/ghc from, anyway?
< 1347073265 811628 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: From me putting it there.
< 1347073287 77542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, put GHC 7.6.1 in /opt/ghc-7.6.1
< 1347073289 371787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED
< 1347073306 284745 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's inconsistent.
< 1347073327 376079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, so's your AXIOM SYSTEM!!!!!
< 1347073496 96071 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1347073572 43492 :Dovregubben!~kurt@c-67-160-13-34.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1347073614 313324 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So what's not 7.6 compatible?
< 1347073618 401127 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have this thing I want to write in 7.6.
< 1347073631 233195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just install 7.6 and keep 7.4.
< 1347073632 278755 :Dovregubben!~kurt@c-67-160-13-34.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347073643 405087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can find out "4 urselv!!"
< 1347073665 330477 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347073677 196811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't want to.
< 1347073690 61520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You have to tell me as an apology for stopping the Arch maintainers.
< 1347073696 283308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1347073703 477260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TypeCompose is broken in 7.6!!!!!!!
< 1347073749 873848 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no!!!
< 1347073752 755627 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use that package.
< 1347073756 888105 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does edwardk's stuff work?
< 1347073782 474461 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1347073830 195289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Want a "free tip" on making things not break with 7.6?
< 1347073849 129364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take "constraint: containers < 0.5" out of your ~/.cabal/config
< 1347073867 372814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ur wellcome :\"("
< 1347073897 454873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think I have that in my ~/.cabal/config.
< 1347073903 732021 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: So what's broken, seriously?
< 1347073928 388944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember.
< 1347073944 488848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy is broken unless you meddle with it.
< 1347073946 365127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which I did.)
< 1347073951 581462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you have to meddle it?
< 1347073958 431148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something about exceptions.
< 1347073968 692177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc-core is broken.
< 1347073975 988984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because they took out Control.OldException.
< 1347073979 725020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything that uses that is broken.
< 1347074043 903002 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, good thing about the Clojure ecosystem, which I assume is because of Java classpaths: There's no system-wide library installation
< 1347074051 520214 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just project-local installation
< 1347074072 468598 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not enough to solve all issues with dependencies, but it's a start
< 1347074324 710171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`1`0`9i90`i190`i190`i1u90348u5901809t89008210`0`0`89`8989`89189`18989`891889`8989289`89289`89289`89289`89289`892`8929`8939128989489`89589`9789`89589`8975897`897587`894892899899042045t89290845t9030r90u90gjrtgjr
< 1347074327 342157 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 1`0`9i90`i190`i190`i1u90348u5901809t89008210`0`0`89`8989`89189`18989`891889`8989289`89289`89289`89289`89289`892`8929`8939128989489`89589`9789`89589`8975897`897587`894892899899042045t89290845t9030r90u90gjrtgjr: not found
< 1347074331 497806 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey shachaf
< 1347074357 574861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy
< 1347074362 666498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky tmp]$ sudo rm -rf /opt/ghc/
< 1347074362 836069 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Password: 
< 1347074362 854635 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[elliott@dinky tmp]$ 
< 1347074365 637026 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1347074523 827543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :checking for path to top of build tree... utils/ghc-pwd/dist-install/build/tmp/ghc-pwd: error while loading shared libraries: libgmp.so.3: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
< 1347074523 998219 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :configure: error: cannot determine current directory
< 1347074525 139800 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Help
< 1347074550 526501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Should've mved instead of rmed.
< 1347074559 976408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You need libgmp3, not libgmp10.
< 1347074571 481596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you still had GHC 7.4 you could use it to compile 7.6!
< 1347074596 308656 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have enough time to compile GHC.
< 1347074603 723698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I need GMP 3?
< 1347074607 289595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes me unhappy.
< 1347074619 919454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :File a bug report on it.
< 1347074623 784344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, there already is one!
< 1347074631 636387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which says that the next release will use a newer GMP.
< 1347074644 618464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when was that written?
< 1347074710 287290 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I miss anything in RogueVM? I want to ensure I have not missed anything important!
< 1347074764 224905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: About a week ago?
< 1347074777 564465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think I've made up for the thing I did.
< 1347074792 895055 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: Replace libsystemd with core/systemd? [Y/n] y
< 1347074793 68335 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: Replace systemd-tools with core/systemd? [Y/n] y
< 1347074794 899769 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Help?
< 1347074814 980729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You know I've never used Arch, right?
< 1347074826 571868 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares?
< 1347074846 531717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should try rm -rf /opt
< 1347074867 220141 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ ls /opt
< 1347074867 737187 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :df_linux
< 1347074871 660293 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, I'd lose Dwarf Fortress!!!
< 1347074904 491674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :       df - report file system disk space usage
< 1347074914 161481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not darawfw froteres!
< 1347074935 149745 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :% ls /opt
< 1347074937 272150 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :amnesia  apt-local  google
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< 1347076740 968892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is GHC's kind-level programming still basically unityped?
< 1347076756 356520 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I'm expressing what I mean properly.
< 1347076817 90096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: There's this whole promotion thing...
< 1347076822 422808 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Here's what I mean:
< 1347076823 393835 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I do
< 1347076836 720454 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo a where Blah :: (C a) => a -> Foo a,
< 1347076841 766638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens to the (C a) when I do 'Blah?
< 1347076845 618546 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, GADTs don't get lifted.
< 1347076850 546493 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, translate that into the relevant ADT syntax.
< 1347076857 368093 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess I can just use an existence proof, actually.
< 1347076862 915984 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I don't think that will translate. Woe.
< 1347076878 651114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa is me, dude
< 1347076929 577290 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What's the extension to allow type-level literals again?
< 1347076965 979026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: GHC will tell you if you try to use one!
< 1347077013 835305 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Have you guessed what I'm trying to do yet?
< 1347077018 478749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1347077022 776695 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look around you, just look around you
< 1347077027 182069 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you worked out what we're looking for?
< 1347077119 241733 :kmc_!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347077137 277735 :Dovregubben!~kurt@c-67-160-13-34.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1347077238 298326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you have TypeEq handy?
< 1347077245 12985 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need it. For this thing.
< 1347077259 348909 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is "type instance Foo t t = ..." valid?
< 1347077261 308995 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so I might not need it.
< 1347077287 708441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh wait, there's
< 1347077288 560322 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :class m (<=) n Source
< 1347077288 768061 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comparsion of type-level naturals.
< 1347077308 917840 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why is there <= but no ==?
< 1347077315 840650 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hmm.
< 1347077340 849233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make == by using <= I suppose
< 1347077509 209141 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347078037 6727 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Hah! I did it! Well, partially, at least.
< 1347078059 979376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In spite of my best afforts!
< 1347078072 893659 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://sprunge.us/RAHN
< 1347078081 283629 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can RAHN but you can't HIDE.
< 1347078091 277809 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ran and Lan, right?
< 1347078160 985211 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such lovely types, too: test :: Record (Cons * * "x" Integer (Cons * * "y" Integer Empty))
< 1347078187 983222 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Data constructor `Empty' cannot be used here
< 1347078188 153945 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :      (it is defined and used in the same recursive group)
< 1347078189 251709 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, c'mon.
< 1347078260 64228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you like it?
< 1347078306 282077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read it.
< 1347078325 671355 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Now's your chance to change that!
< 1347079055 17064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : JoeyA: They make Haskell compilers in Haskell for the same reason that ugly men date beautiful women: 1) Because it's enjoyable; 2) Because they can. ;)
< 1347079062 860121 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You know, I didn't think it was possible, but #haskell actually got worse since I left.
< 1347079077 575565 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc the prophet
< 1347079097 597249 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell failed at its primary mission.
< 1347079102 882831 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now it is but an abomination.
< 1347079122 861169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its primary mission is what?
< 1347079131 548585 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: YayMe is one of Those Guys, right?
< 1347079192 323766 :kmc_!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its primary mission was to unify research in lazy functional programming behind one language
< 1347079196 449969 :kmc_!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it succeeded at that
< 1347079207 394781 :kmc_!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's a mission that's only relevant to like 100 people
< 1347079226 112783 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Its primary mission is to avoid popularity at all costs.
< 1347079235 721199 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1347079237 469250 :kmc_!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net NICK :kmc
< 1347079333 798386 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm trying GHC 7.6 but its kind system isn't advanced enough. :(
< 1347079340 693708 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need kind-level typeclass constraints, you see.
< 1347079351 551103 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And proper GADT lifting.
< 1347079369 39627 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to invent Ibtlfmm, to have kind-level typeclass constraints and various other things
< 1347079453 156386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek
< 1347079473 459979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because typeclass constraints on kinds is something I wanted too
< 1347079475 32222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is imagining elliott being tempted by Ibtlfmm
< 1347079488 540905 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't only you!
< 1347079534 459107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess that's reassuring?
< 1347079541 76440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1347081015 907447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :-(
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< 1347081062 705597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: : - )
< 1347082294 461874 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what's your opinion of the Eclipse Public License?
< 1347082317 202494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think so.
< 1347082409 380467 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1347082456 761491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Am I one of "Those Guys"?
< 1347082475 606037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a pokemon card puzzle requiring to retreat six times.
< 1347082909 130661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347085652 897238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever tried inverting some piece of music?
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< 1347086060 646421 :elliott!~dajfsa@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You didn't tell me *cabal-install* was broken.
< 1347086066 473020 :elliott!~dajfsa@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Come on, now my window manager is broken.
< 1347086135 253 :elliott!~dajfsa@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: And *mtl* is broken.
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< 1347089922 673905 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.99.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sgeo: what's your opinion on EPL. What's your preferred license?
< 1347089963 307960 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't read it, but from what I know about it, it seems like an interesting idea
< 1347090102 243729 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although... I do think I'd prefer my code to be usable from/with proprietary code, so I'd probably lean more BSD-ish. But EPL might be better than GPL for that goal
< 1347090108 475790 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the goal that GPL has)
< 1347090140 433682 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.99.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the fact the BSD license is short.
< 1347090217 679527 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, if Clojure, and about a million Clojure libraries, are under the EPL, does that make Clojure unsuitable for making proprietary programs?
< 1347090219 3653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott Worked fine for me.
< 1347090219 174072 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347090543 735022 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.99.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is shorter though -> "Do What The Fuck You Want To Public License" http://sam.zoy.org/wtfpl :-)
< 1347090594 197373 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm narciccistic enough to want my name attached to code I write
< 1347090594 216820 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347090706 876313 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I strive to only write things that are useless enough that the license is irrelevant
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< 1347091380 925053 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My gf linked me to http://www.esecurityplanet.com/hackers/yahoo-password-breach-puts-sql-injection-in-the-crosshairs.html
< 1347091411 563768 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DOES ANYONE IN THIS DAY AND AGE STILL BE VULNERABLE TO SQL INJECTION
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< 1347093048 361920 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-251.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
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< 1347103397 351129 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1347103466 543731 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-193-122.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi
< 1347103525 820654 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-251.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
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< 1347109211 517837 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages?
< 1347109211 689228 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today.
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< 1347112261 28599 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Simple. 
< 1347112270 72499 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Universities don't teach that.
< 1347112637 655549 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres several things
< 1347112685 415017 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you invest more time and energy in security systems, the people breaking the systems will simply adapt, and find new vulnerabilities
< 1347112762 545340 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1347112914 356593 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :universities aren't going to spontaneously change, students aren't going to spontaneously change, i don't forsee anything changing
< 1347113204 603727 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software development involves writing software to address the problems found in previous software development.
< 1347113365 669739 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/found/created/ ? :)
< 1347113794 13483 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Same how buffer overflows are still the most common kind of vulnerability
< 1347113818 362007 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess SQL injections aren't as fundamental
< 1347113843 232949 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess what im wondering is whether it is important to place blame, and also who is to blame for sql injection vulnerabilities
< 1347113864 35850 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is the whole system to blame
< 1347113882 403909 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Clearly the people who created SQL are to blame
< 1347113895 371472 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How dare they invent database technology
< 1347113923 545513 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i don't think blame is a perfect system, it's more like garbage collection
< 1347113961 418701 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION references itidus21 without incrementing the reference counter
< 1347113999 897620 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its better that rubbish be centralized in landfills rather than distributed across the suburbs :D
< 1347114022 279153 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but landfills are still a bother
< 1347114057 885413 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the root problem is that too many programmers just don't know or care enough about security
< 1347114077 877517 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but what is the cause of that :D
< 1347114084 973619 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, what is that a symptom of?
< 1347114112 266776 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if "everyone" cared about preventing sql injections, maybe we wouldn't let all these database apis make it so simple to create them
< 1347114118 943199 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, bad teaching
< 1347114134 862977 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have also noted the ugly reality that in such an arms race the bad guys will also adapt and find new ways
< 1347114167 979496 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: (im certainly trolling) what causes bad teaching?
< 1347114188 475427 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bad turtles all the way down
< 1347114189 582283 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Itself
< 1347114278 19816 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if things are allowed to have causes, or if things are allowed to be symptoms of other things, then the buck can be hard to stop
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< 1347119395 509010 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (0 $ 0 `on`)
< 1347119396 534602 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    The operator `on' [infixl 0] of a section
< 1347119396 704921 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        must have lower precedence than that of the operand,
< 1347119396 723427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :          namely `$' [infixr 0]
< 1347119463 394916 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((*) `on` (+ 1)) 7 8
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< 1347119467 816649 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((*) `on` (+ 1)) 7 3
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< 1347119480 151463 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((*) `on` negate) 7 3
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< 1347119504 571582 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exersize: do I get to set exersizes?
< 1347119508 438235 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discuss
< 1347119530 181048 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :exersize is probably not the right spelling
< 1347119541 418903 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1347119544 888467 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are right!
< 1347119553 312851 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the answer is "probably not"!
< 1347119556 505497 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well done!
< 1347119563 136438 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1347119570 512448 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did I win?
< 1347119576 367323 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno
< 1347119587 692386 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The right to go through to your kitchen and get a biscuit?
< 1347119626 422005 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have no biscuits
< 1347119691 318999 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go out to the store and buy some buscuits?
< 1347119697 269440 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*biscuits
< 1347119697 981488 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no!
< 1347119708 867729 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you not want a biscuit?
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< 1347119860 342303 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to have to go and buy it myself
< 1347119869 689758 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1347119876 738085 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next time you are shopping
< 1347119893 954250 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if you can convince the people
< 1347119897 498439 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who sell you stuff
< 1347119903 207839 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make me pay for the biscuit
< 1347119974 389845 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, the end result of buying biscuits is just running out of biscuits again
< 1347120006 923948 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But during the process of running out of biscuits
< 1347120011 621881 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get to eat biscuits!
< 1347120021 682846 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham has a biscuit store
< 1347120032 268736 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they sell cookies?
< 1347120153 805462 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows?
< 1347120172 717050 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes)
< 1347120195 52556 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between cookies and biscuits anyway?
< 1347120573 318211 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1347120738 256065 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much unless you're in the US
< 1347120897 481944 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1347120926 400671 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind
< 1347120933 630289 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my comment is unhelpful
< 1347120959 275267 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed :)
< 1347120996 589167 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh but it must be said
< 1347121030 339805 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best way to find out the difference between a biscuit and a cookie is to get both and compare them
< 1347121062 166674 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :one trouble here is...
< 1347121068 540571 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might like the one you eat first more
< 1347121075 152010 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it satiates your appetite
< 1347121082 553637 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second one is making you feel full
< 1347121264 824062 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347121267 14209 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if we take away all such bias factors 
< 1347121303 377497 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :one way to experience a cookie is to see it, another is to eat it
< 1347121320 969157 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :even to just look at the cookie we might be biased by which one we see first
< 1347121406 550141 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give up
< 1347121640 441289 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is what large sample sizes are for
< 1347121707 681688 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in the limit we find the actual thing?
< 1347121779 64799 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, thats a reference to your in the limit you find douglas hofstadter
< 1347121830 163012 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was..
< 1347121832 668923 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of mine
< 1347121844 996815 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1347121845 917042 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok you didn't say it
< 1347121853 372595 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. i mean maybe but probably not
< 1347121866 746885 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover was partially responsible for it
< 1347121878 723244 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By partially I mean almost entirely
< 1347121931 138721 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so are humans good at sampling?
< 1347121964 759443 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :another dumb question of mine
< 1347122094 76847 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really
< 1347122275 316833 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have at least a vague connection with this room. i don't really understand it.
< 1347122291 905167 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called friendship?
< 1347122326 371145 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh.. i'm not sure. but something else. like i had been thinking about topics which come up here.
< 1347122393 479419 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you are actually #esoteric
< 1347122432 852821 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i had been thinking about fairy chess, and i was fascinated by the NES, and i had a strange habit of buying foreign language dictionaries
< 1347122470 876573 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... i had been gradually converging on grammar and language as being important.
< 1347122517 640080 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i was buying up cheap books which had any relation to language
< 1347122615 66193 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i heard about state machines from the mugen fighting game engine
< 1347122655 185932 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still haven't gone back to take a closer look at it
< 1347122865 883577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347123017 460890 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye!
< 1347123018 357551 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-146-168-239.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1347123584 697706 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347123902 9077 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347125967 529935 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1347126096 839465 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-251.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347126100 421824 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-251.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1347126131 890749 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-251.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Haskell IDE do you people use (if any)?
< 1347126660 899593 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just have vim and ghci open in two windows
< 1347126695 177503 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is potentially a great language for very clever IDEs but i haven't seen a good one
< 1347126705 405234 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used leksah for a little while but it was buggy
< 1347126965 926332 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-251.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try leksah and hope it's not as buggy on my system
< 1347127033 86050 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-251.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I have the impression that most buggy software is buggy invariant of the system
< 1347127128 191510 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends
< 1347127134 181885 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inkscape is much worse on mac than on linux
< 1347127153 618767 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also possible that leksah got better in the intervening time
< 1347127169 961967 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-251.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is taking a long time to collect information about Haskell packages on my system
< 1347127177 743997 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the risk of unfounded generalization, i think haskell appeals more to the kinds of programmers who don't typically use IDEs
< 1347127196 226371 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to some degree this blinds people to the advantages a haskell IDE could have, compared to IDEs for other languages
< 1347127226 534912 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-251.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually don't, but I think a good IDE can definitely be useful (which is why I want one)
< 1347127236 58063 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would love to use something like the emacs Agda mode for Haskell
< 1347127239 978997 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kate is pretty good ide
< 1347127254 398964 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"what is the type of the expression which could go here"
< 1347127264 941983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347127271 69171 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"write out the pattern-matching cases for this function based on its type"
< 1347127290 251818 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"look up functions that could go here in Hayoo, add the package to my .cabal file, and import the module"
< 1347127304 740324 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jerkcity.com/jerkcity4997.html
< 1347127398 51714 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I'd feel more comfortable with lighttable for Haskell than I would for Clojure, merely because I can know that each function really is not doing side-effects
< 1347127407 685303 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless someone's abusing unsafePerformIO)
< 1347127451 882259 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-251.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might just use vim
< 1347127636 692702 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, I don't know how difficult it might be to do a lighttable thing for Haskell
< 1347127910 167923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1347128407 768144 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.66.134 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347128812 568109 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1347129674 68581 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what do you mean "there are no left turns" in Half-Broken Car in Heavy Traffic?
< 1347129768 494745 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a '<' command
< 1347129843 130069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: No I mean turning left relative to the straight direction the car only turn right no left
< 1347129853 301905 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347129861 562099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says so in the linked documentation too
< 1347129864 525116 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum I followed the external link and then I understood
< 1347129879 640453 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my confusion comes from the difference between "go left" and "turn left"
< 1347129908 306945 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be less confusing if directions were west and east instead of left and right
< 1347129948 269537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree. Ask the people who invented that programming language.
< 1347131156 864281 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347131184 321014 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347131576 999485 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Are you telling me you can build a time machine but you can't cook a cheese soufflé? You've got your priorities all wrong!
< 1347131597 499972 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347131830 602028 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-251.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1347131996 911547 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: So turn right three times
< 1347132015 460441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Yes I suppose so.
< 1347132057 125229 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-141-76.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347132075 715548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found on Wikipedia the chord I have not learned from the book, which is the Neapolitan chord, which is a major chord on the lower second scale degree.
< 1347132096 309894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is sometimes used in place of a IV chord.
< 1347132227 11447 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-146-155.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1347132231 50100 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cache rules everything around me
< 1347132246 216382 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1347132547 527344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347132811 866865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:49:55:  :t (0 $ 0 `on`)
< 1347132811 885435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:49:56:      The operator `on' [infixl 0] of a section
< 1347132815 977713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sacrilege!
< 1347132836 967246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone making an infixl 0 operator should be hanged and quartered.
< 1347132847 765250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also infix 0, naturally.)
< 1347132912 429549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this does not apply to _changing_ $ into infixl 0, in which case one would swap l and r.)
< 1347132953 444921 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the conditions under which one would be hanged and quartered are getting complicated
< 1347132967 563974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say
< 1347133045 860157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there should have been another precedence above the default 9, which . should have had instead.
< 1347133075 942539 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the precedences should be rationals
< 1347133108 839352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: has been suggested, at which point someone will immediately suggest a system for general partial orders.
< 1347133115 88745 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1347133118 976377 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just about to do that too
< 1347133147 759122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at which someone will point out that makes it awful to combine independent libraries.  (at least that's what happened a week or so ago.)
< 1347133195 591040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point, otoh, is that . and $ should be considered pseudosyntax and every fixity which conflicts with their natural use is wrong.
< 1347133266 90749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the above `on` being one, and parsec's  being the other example i recall.
< 1347133389 810289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically someone should have developed some guidelines before user-defined operators started proliferating, and it's really too late now.
< 1347133419 588659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the applicative operators mostly being 4 rather than the same as the corresponding monadic ones is another pet peeve of mine.)
< 1347133504 822988 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think this is a problem with Haskell; fixity must be integer 0 to 9, and does not allow redefinition of fixity of things defined in another file.
< 1347133515 91523 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They could be fixed by an extension, I suppose.)
< 1347133540 639440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can redefine functions in practice if you really want to, though.
< 1347133564 975644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on = Data.Function.on; infixr 0 `on`
< 1347133577 214241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is what I thought of too
< 1347133595 497826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should fixities be surreal numbers?
< 1347133599 739822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1347133629 559037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rationals _should_ be enough for everyone, being able to represent all countable total orders
< 1347133692 258369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh the last pointing out about partial orders was that if you define fixities by their relation to other operators, those other operators have to actually be imported...
< 1347133740 366854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you get unnecessary package dependencies
< 1347133742 185038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what I thought about using surreal numbers, by defining by relation to other operators
< 1347133826 270995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :surreal numbers presumably allow any total order, regardness of cardinality.
< 1347133857 950130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think so.
< 1347134021 7491 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1347134075 301838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the proof is sort of a generalization of the proof for rational numbers
< 1347134129 274857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for rational numbers, you need that between any non-interleaved finite set of rational numbers there is another one
< 1347134143 965243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for surreal numbers, the same is true without finiteness
< 1347134149 907996 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-141-76.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb
< 1347134157 717475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*any two
< 1347134165 420693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*another rational number
< 1347134168 970782 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-141-76.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347134219 699998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the game with left and right options the smaller and larger set represents a surreal number between them.
< 1347134315 86846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1347134346 576415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also need a well-ordering (not necessarily the same order) of the totally ordered set you want to embed
< 1347134699 724989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maybe not _strictly_ need one, you can get the real numbers embedded because they're separated by rationals, and i don't think this uses the real numbers being well-orderable.
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< 1347134783 941610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps there's a clever argument which only uses the axiom of foundation instead...
< 1347134827 365770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since there's no obvious guarantee that the total order respects set rank, i won't bet on it.
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< 1347135785 426760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't figure out what kmc's attitude toward C++ really is.
< 1347135789 837736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect there's more than one attitude.
< 1347135977 649046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen I think that your ocaml Brainfunct interpreter always treats @ with an undefined function (including 0, but not for >= 50) as using an empty function, is this intended behavior?  (It's more useful than crashing anyway, as my haskell one does and as yours does for values >= 50)
< 1347135977 819463 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347136003 368032 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1347136003 386759 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1347136016 868473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about for values >= 50, ideally?
< 1347136026 924790 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should be no-ops as well
< 1347136044 135927 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally I guess the tape and the functions are unbounded
< 1347136046 373859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.  i'll modify my haskell one.
< 1347136061 10846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my tape is already unbounded since it uses the zipper trick
< 1347136068 856461 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, nice
< 1347136092 217177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as well as haskell's infinite lists, but that just makes it slightly easier)
< 1347136107 811496 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still trying to figure out why my interpreter ends on Stack_overflow on a tail-recursive loop
< 1347136154 250581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well your for loop comment seems correct to me, as it makes the '@' case not be in a tail position
< 1347136175 857313 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if the @ call is the last command in a function, the interpreter should reflect that
< 1347136202 300134 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I modified my program to have the last command out of the for loop
< 1347136207 1553 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i've said it more than a few times
< 1347136213 71664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you did not include that on the wiki
< 1347136226 657591 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it did not work as intended so I did not edit
< 1347136233 638279 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think C++ is a bad language, which is bad in almost the opposite way that languages are usually bad
< 1347136236 133231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :akmc: It's basically a bad language, but it's interesting because it's bad in an opposite way to other languages?
< 1347136243 340127 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1347136257 594277 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and despite being a bad language, it is sometimes the right tool
< 1347136275 594537 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other modification I haven't put on the wiki page is   | ',' -> tape.(!ptr) <- (try int_of_char (input_char stdin) with | End_of_file -> -1)
< 1347136291 270231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1347136314 749478 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but using that in the cat program would make it way more complicated
< 1347136323 208853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1347136325 296024 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as there is no efficient test
< 1347136342 873635 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also interesting just because it has lots of things that other languages don't
< 1347136343 901152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure there is
< 1347136379 376823 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the simple, current version would try printing -1 as ascii so it would result in an error anyway)
< 1347136391 189367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee
< 1347136408 277659 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my categorization of programming languages, C++ is practically the only language in its niche
< 1347136564 253936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1347136573 812940 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ has an elegance and internal consistency which is lost on most of its users
< 1347136586 883760 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they mostly program in a hodge-podge of C and C++
< 1347136604 366848 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason they do that is that C++'s internal consistency isn't so much externally consistent with the real world
< 1347136637 244048 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's just very fun to write C++ in small doses and try to do excessively clever things
< 1347136646 869386 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is one reason i call it an esolang
< 1347136653 843805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true about most languages, isn't it?
< 1347136654 20141 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now you know
< 1347136660 809445 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how i feel about C++
< 1347136668 219111 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you will use this knowledge for good and not evil
< 1347136681 492158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did I ever ask you again about the stream-cipher-for-disk-encryption thing?
< 1347136704 953238 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, some languages try to limit the amount of cleverness you can use
< 1347136719 106151 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and others are just a mess such that clever things never really seem elegant
< 1347136746 231253 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ and Haskell are very similar in my mind
< 1347136756 938076 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoring the technical details of each language, and focusing on these kinds of factors
< 1347136771 377085 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now there's a statement which is bound to upset almost everyone ;)
< 1347136787 586507 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i promise i'm not trolling, i really do think C++ and Haskell are very similar on this level
< 1347136833 860657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Los Angeles is hot. :-(
< 1347136848 940695 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you go to los angeles
< 1347136915 189926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only temporary.
< 1347136966 977115 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, did you get to ride the Expo Line?
< 1347136982 136563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1347136991 427639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I?
< 1347136999 300894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear lexande_ was in a train the other day.
< 1347137013 136135 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's just another light rail line
< 1347137017 967894 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it opened since i was last in LA, is all
< 1347137093 580834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know someone who I thought was in Pasadena now but it looks like not yet.
< 1347137101 922235 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok heres a statement
< 1347137138 205498 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :99% of commercial software does not require a turing complete platform
< 1347137148 390416 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if i am using words entirely wrong here
< 1347137163 180501 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: 100% does not.
< 1347137167 652760 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because computers are not TC.
< 1347137168 335237 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1347137169 404187 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a vague idea what i meant
< 1347137190 313202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: My impressions of Los Angeles so far are "I wouldn't want to live here".
< 1347137230 936497 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: its gonna be brutal figuring out what i actually meant. im gonna make a coffee first. and then cause a lot of facepalms
< 1347137277 930282 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :grocery store, bbl
< 1347137524 176041 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-141-76.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb
< 1347137592 47461 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://sprunge.us/SRFA?ocaml
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< 1347138200 395426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i think +>,++++@<@/----.<-@/+@ should work although winghci doesn't have an easy way to test EOF's and i cannot be bothered to use a real command line
< 1347138215 450872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it works for the basic catting, anyway)
< 1347138347 953790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i can simply add a similar test for newline, i think
< 1347138364 433226 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1347138481 710800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit it also has trouble resetting stdin
< 1347138507 638846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunatelly :r fixed that
< 1347138512 339667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-l
< 1347138552 117799 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it raises invalid_argument "index out of bound" even though I set n_functions to 256... I'm head-computing what it does and it looks like it should be working
< 1347138632 436035 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1347138640 74846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait i know my problem
< 1347138716 652255 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohohoho wait I think my interpreter is sooooo broken
< 1347138753 356438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it worked, my fix for making undefined functions empty had a bug that made <= 0 give function 1 instead :)
< 1347138756 479172 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no it's not
< 1347138787 624295 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one moment I thought my interpreter never returned from function calls
< 1347138791 685848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1347138820 403259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i managed to get a cat that quits on newline with +>,++++@<@/->----.<@/+@
< 1347138851 154013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it should also quit on EOF, but it's too awkward to test in winghci)
< 1347138907 109061 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still doesn't work with my interpreter, but I'm pretty sure the error comes from the interpreter
< 1347138926 774364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it shouldn't ever run functions that large if you give it plain ASCII, anyway
< 1347138943 948545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just adds 4 after all
< 1347138953 563314 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know
< 1347139171 942094 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I won't try to debug my interpreter tonight, that'll wait for another day
< 1347139211 64701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :uploaded my changes
< 1347139301 320704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: er your - is wrong :)
< 1347139314 637756 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, waoh
< 1347139325 616923 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the most stupidest error i've ever had in a program
< 1347139332 175418 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that means a lot)
< 1347139339 756209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only command none of your previous programs tested, i think :P
< 1347139346 801586 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1347139414 316336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: hey don't worry, i almost managed to get + and - include an automatic > because i put the new value in the wrong zipper list
< 1347139423 603971 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1347139432 381312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i had simply copied and pasted the code for > to modify
< 1347139480 868985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the new cat work now?
< 1347139592 440629 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one sec - the invalid argument thing simply came from the program trying to read exactly one more command than there were characters in the current function
< 1347139606 647356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: your code looks tail recursive to me
< 1347139616 725565 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is now
< 1347139632 660194 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a stupid -1 / +1 error in the loop
< 1347139665 126939 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so the for loop still did everything, and the step after the loop tried to read an imaginary command
< 1347139667 425656 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1,0,1,2,3,...,253,254 
< 1347139676 667624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1347139706 627641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: i don't think any of our interpreters use 8-bit cells
< 1347139727 256024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine uses Int, although it would be a simple substitution to use unbounded Integer
< 1347139728 789463 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :urrh, still an error somewhere
< 1347139739 212551 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1347139743 37902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :paste new version?
< 1347139766 58157 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1347139770 552983 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1347139776 977748 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhmmm
< 1347139791 526027 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/bgNU?ocaml
< 1347139960 834855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION convinces himself that runs the right commands in a function
< 1347140003 739026 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :| x -> raise (Unknown_command x) is kind of ridiculous since all brainfuck specifications seem to agree that unknown characters are no-ops that can be used for comments
< 1347140028 667114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1347140045 218972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i allowed whitespace but nothing else
< 1347140086 112910 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just added that line without further thinking when the compiler told me "warning: non-exhaustive pattern matching"
< 1347140418 270324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see anything obviously wrong with your last paste
< 1347140609 278382 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'll add a lot of print_string to see where the index out of bounds come from
< 1347140618 536159 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that'll wait :)
< 1347140679 398673 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and I found http://esolangs.org/wiki/BrainCursion should I add a "see also" link or something?
< 1347140741 332699 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its about this point where i remember that #esoteric is actually discussing brainfuck and thus most rational comments do not apply
< 1347140771 159675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i don't think they're that similar
< 1347140784 43435 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, brainfuck programmers are a mythical entity
< 1347140788 733308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond both being brainfuck derivatives
< 1347140797 1311 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus: a friend showed me a link to someone who has implemented brainfuck in SpaceChem... now *that* is mythical
< 1347140826 854148 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. the uh.. consumer of brainfuck interpreters is the mythical part :P
< 1347140841 220802 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well my motivation for making brainfunct was "wait is it so that among all the brainfuck derivatives, the obvious functional version is missing?"
< 1347140875 232689 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and braincursion seems to be claiming more or less the same thing, even though I haven't really understood what was its point :p
< 1347140910 324643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: not really, it can only jump to the matching ( or ) i think
< 1347140911 46045 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess what i am saying is not quite true considering that people make interpreters in brainfuck
< 1347140919 346304 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a great interpreter writing language
< 1347140947 730814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait does it
< 1347141029 506996 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops no im wrong
< 1347141037 238076 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got x and y axis confused on esointerpreters
< 1347141080 391495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it doesn't even do matching, if the interpreter is to be believed
< 1347141086 924395 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmm does braincursion support nested loops correctly?
< 1347141110 83212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems not
< 1347141183 904467 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i think all the brainfuck programs that are going to be written have been written
< 1347141208 292240 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, the hypothetical end user of a brainfuck interpreter is just a useful uhhh
< 1347141212 952486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however this directly contradicts the computational class section of the article
< 1347141219 49688 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1347141231 339517 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful fellow
< 1347141269 508933 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that sections links to "reduction", in which it is said "be careful with the arbitrary thing at the arbitrary moment!!!" which is not respected by the loop emulation in braincursion
< 1347141294 44523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell spirity Did you mean for loops in BrainCursion to nest properly?  The interpreter doesn't.
< 1347141294 213273 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347141329 935963 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: according to the description of the language it doesn't either
< 1347141339 706191 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least not in such an easy way)
< 1347141360 773357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell spirity The description seems to imply they shouldn't, while the computational class section makes no sense if they don't.
< 1347141360 942257 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347141381 601641 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are spirity and Madk one?
< 1347141460 393760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, spirity and Seven Inch Bread is
< 1347141494 451736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the computational class comment is older than the interpreter, at least
< 1347141537 281211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it's by the original article author.  which is an IP, so may or may not be the same as the language author, but most likely is.
< 1347141565 613350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i hesitate to call the loops described "recursive".
< 1347141592 818593 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup that's what I did not really understand
< 1347141621 123945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no matter how you slice it, it's not very similar to Brainfunct.
< 1347141641 30473 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, "recursive" wouldn't mean much if it's still and explicit loop
< 1347141699 767571 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember when I had programming exercises to do at the university and it was explicitly said "this algorithm must be written in an imperative way" I often "cheated" by emulating recursion using a stack
< 1347141908 590043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: btw as a conoisseur of TC proofs, i find the phrase "arbitrary effect at an arbitrary point" and even the entire Reduction section _far_ too imprecise (and don't actually describe the technical meaning of reduction.)
< 1347141927 19460 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I completely agree with that
< 1347141974 505681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*connoisseur dammit :P
< 1347141999 384784 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me a while to understand what they meant with "arbitrary effect at an arbitrary point", and what's said about reduction basically is "reduction is a good way to prove a language TC except sometimes it's not a proof at all"
< 1347142029 216949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :real reduction is definitely a proof, but you have to apply to an entire program (sometimes including the I/O)
< 1347142037 597014 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the french word actually is "connaisseur" with an a :p)
< 1347142073 104654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A connoisseur (French traditional (pre-1835) spelling of connaisseur"
< 1347142083 649447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not wrong to use it in english, by tradition
< 1347142108 920646 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know but it does sound weird when the reader is french :p
< 1347142210 302253 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, I didn't know where the o came from. I thought it was just an original misspelling.)
< 1347142334 494739 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or something similar to "rendezvous" being written as a single word)
< 1347142354 185739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sometimes you can reduce each instruction separately, when the language's have essentially identical semantics for how sequences of instructions are combined.
< 1347142359 966099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*languages
< 1347143006 44954 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1347145493 24006 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but then it's basically the same thing as writing a compiler from the TC language to the new language isn't it?
< 1347145514 554494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1347145557 775148 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1347146533 435196 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-141-76.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1347146918 35904 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1347147490 765073 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is any modern C compiler going to object to non-ASCII UTF-8-encoded characters in a multiline comment?
< 1347147517 668134 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figure, even if it decodes them as 8-bit characters, it will be fine because they will not match "*/" as encoded in the ISO 646 invariant set
< 1347147526 72343 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it won't contain the ASCII */ then probably it will work OK.
< 1347147554 467229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you need to actually use the */ in the comment then use the overlong encodings)
< 1347147561 68947 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :overlong?
< 1347147623 919769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overlong encodings are not really valid UTF-8 but use it anyways if you need to.
< 1347147710 389314 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're alternate encodings for the charaters U+00 to U+7F
< 1347147758 132777 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i see
< 1347147774 441297 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you prepend some bytes which encode zeros
< 1347147812 961356 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It should "just work" regardless.
< 1347147813 132264 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.msdn.com/b/michael_howard/archive/2008/08/22/overlong-utf-8-escapes-bite.aspx
< 1347147885 45662 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The beauty of UTF-8 is that you'll never get valid ASCII out of it except when it's the chunk mapping to ASCII... So you'd have to really work to break on UTF-8 there.
< 1347147887 303380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are using UTF-8, another thing you could do if you want */ in a C comment is to put a zero-width space between.
< 1347147898 14081 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1347147905 521355 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do zero-width spaces work in fixed-with fonts?
< 1347147911 830775 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they like a no-op combining character?
< 1347147915 411577 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should do
< 1347147926 497548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they work in irssi anyway
< 1347147926 838556 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works fine here.
< 1347147931 426314 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1347147949 100907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are supposed to have zero width; in PuTTY on my computer it displays a replacement box even though it does not advance the cursor.
< 1347147952 694969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo (example)
< 1347147963 25332 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​(example)
< 1347148003 178794 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in that example, it appears on my computer the zero-width space replacement box overlapping the colon.
< 1347148008 697299 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :✧_✧
< 1347148026 747349 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What colon
< 1347148038 919589 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And for some reason it is gray rather than blue; this may be a bug in PuTTY)
< 1347148064 759838 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe your font still needs to have the empty character set for the zero-width space to work correctly
< 1347148068 175186 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: The colon before the IRC message. (The syntax of IRC require a colon to indicate long parameter that may contain spaces)
< 1347148086 740288 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What, you don't use an IRC client?
< 1347148102 705158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I do use an IRC client. But probably not the same one you used.
< 1347148127 199217 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't your IRC client more a syntax-highlighting IRC protocol displayer?
< 1347148157 294313 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly use irssi, because the irc client I wrote myself isn't that good =P 
< 1347148180 347908 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think someone should package GNU/Linux, Mosh, screen, and irssi as an EC2 AMI
< 1347148189 349614 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it super easy to set up persistent IRC in The Cloud
< 1347148202 496198 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also https://irccloud.com/ but i heard it is slow
< 1347148203 397010 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be tempted to, except I just got my Internet stable.
< 1347148211 56548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes mostly those are what it does; although it has other features too.
< 1347148299 860123 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mosh?
< 1347148307 645560 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, tmux > screen
< 1347148309 47882 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: mosh.mit.edu
< 1347148313 937624 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :screen, tmux, whatever
< 1347148332 725050 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this
< 1347148533 43554 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1347148785 836245 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO C allows "int main() { ... }", right?
< 1347148797 411691 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with no parameters)
< 1347148876 651267 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1347148894 52195 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a function definition, int main() is identical to int main(void), which is explicitly permitted.
< 1347148928 607948 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO C also *permits* non-specified types for main, IIRC.
< 1347148966 126360 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1347148974 244003 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghci allows Unicode line-drawing characters as operator names
< 1347148978 349779 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1347149071 302712 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (┌────────┐┌─────────────────┐┌────────┐) = (+) in 2 ┌────────┐┌─────────────────┐┌────────┐ 3
< 1347149072 498441 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  5
< 1347149257 975234 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347149622 939107 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (`div`) 2 3
< 1347149623 830335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `)'
< 1347149658 994520 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 `+` 3
< 1347149659 887201 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `+'
< 1347150726 817909 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 `(+)` 3
< 1347150727 759805 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `('
< 1347150730 86916 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah
< 1347150799 721927 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1347151116 628043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no way to use `` on anything but an alphanumeric identifier, alas
< 1347151360 133147 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Are you telling me you can build a time machine but you can't cook a cheese soufflé? You've got your priorities all wrong!
< 1347151449 234927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hello from Portland, Oregon.
< 1347151454 541186 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there not a good lint for C anymore?
< 1347151457 816167 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :splint doesn't support C99...
< 1347151461 88240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time zones are kinda weird.
< 1347151474 265322 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO FROM THE FUTURE
< 1347151500 998131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :portland, oregon, isn't that were Gregor is
< 1347151508 239860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1347151518 410408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor at least has been here, since he spoke of the food in here.
< 1347151544 322857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess he may be the kind of person who does moving and stuff.
< 1347151575 212267 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*is from
< 1347151584 780264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1347151629 136839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO FUTURE GOOD TO SEE YOU ARE STILL ALIVE
< 1347151744 680514 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woke up at 3am to catch the flight from Helsinki, and it's now 3:49am the next day in Finland, but here it's supposedly still Saturday, and it's just getting to be 6pm.
< 1347151825 426974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I am apparently faster than my bags, since I managed to catch the Seattle-Oregon transfer (even with baggage claim + customs + baggage recheck + security check in the way) with 10 minutes to spare, but my bag didn't; it took the next Seattle-Portland flight (an hour later).
< 1347151866 989852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out there was a direct AMS-PDX flight leaving ten minutes before my AMS-SEA, too; I'm a bit confused why they didn't book that for me. I guess this must've been cheaper. (Or maybe I was late.)
< 1347151877 935531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seattle-Portland transfer, I mean.
< 1347151903 663948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Travel is all so confusing. I think I'll go buy stuff. ->
< 1347153709 537546 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Almost assuredly price is the reason.
< 1347153760 647808 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who was booking it for you?
< 1347153769 872854 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Direct flights are expensive. To the point that a flight from A to B is usually more expensive than a flight from A to C with a layover at B.
< 1347153889 892654 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's usually the case
< 1347153893 317519 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is occasionally the case
< 1347154028 637022 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people on flyertalk seem to think that a) it's rarely the case, and b) airlines don't try very hard to keep you from just leaving the airport at B
< 1347154031 616496 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/travelbuzz/1349573-intentionally-miss-connection.html
< 1347154099 730191 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :expect the rest of your ticket to get cancelled and your checked luggage to get routed to /dev/null
< 1347154128 715595 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The checked baggage is an issue.
< 1347154137 773560 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah apparently the insider term for this is "hidden city ticketing"
< 1347154184 304184 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I know that it's frequently the case with A=IND, B=ORD.
< 1347154200 925962 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/08/magazine/mag-08subversion-t.html
< 1347154202 844373 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, wait, that's a slightly different case, but same idea. Buying A->B->C to get B->C
< 1347154226 238690 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. a flight from IND->SFO via ORD is $159, but a direct from ORD->SFO is $210
< 1347154244 74722 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i see
< 1347154256 460275 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SAME direct, mind you :)
< 1347154295 503932 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, your destination probably needs to be a major hub for that to work.
< 1347154320 485826 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1347154328 635854 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it works when your desired route is a near-monopoly
< 1347154404 194446 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, haha, this column is by nate silver
< 1347154406 220911 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't even notice
< 1347154513 249276 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :checked baggage is best avoided, anyway :)
< 1347154757 838896 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what dates were those flights on?
< 1347154780 744277 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would expect ORD-SFO to be reasonably competitive
< 1347154835 763208 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a search on Oct 16 finds AA, UA, VX, DL, US all $140 or less
< 1347154837 782590 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly non-stop
< 1347154881 418477 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time i flew DSM-DEN-SFO-LAX which was pretty silly
< 1347155124 860850 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the shortest commercial flight segment I ever took was MSN to MKE
< 1347155151 203846 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unplanned; another plane had crash-landed at Milwaukee and they diverted us to Madison temporarily
< 1347155928 224230 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has had it cheaper to fly out of COS rather than DEN before...
< 1347155945 194701 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keep in mind the flight from COS was a short connecting jump to DEN.
< 1347156073 232653 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347156231 106028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a university-wide quasi-exclusive thing about booking all air traffic via a particular Finnish travel agency.
< 1347156262 845663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They sent me four suggestions sorted by price and I chose the least annoying-looking one.
< 1347156279 660304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It has a direct PDX-AMS flight on the way back home.)
< 1347157171 75205 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I was looking on the 15th, a Saturday.
< 1347157185 412721 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: And also, direct flight.
< 1347157225 598363 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I just did THE SAME EXACT SEARCH, but now there are tickets for half the price X-D
< 1347157229 518364 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Air travel, folks.
< 1347157231 264245 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1347157274 220461 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :having prices that go up and back down makes sense
< 1347157283 227384 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a business perspective
< 1347157311 889143 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't really fault them for that, even if it is annoying to the consumer
< 1347157384 233525 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bing Travel (formerly Farecast) will attempt to predict whether the price is going to go up or down
< 1347157475 302341 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm quite accustomed to this nonsense.
< 1347157482 20925 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily I never have to pay for my tickets ^^
< 1347157614 208488 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :height scares the hell out of me
< 1347157634 155948 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i would rather not travel at all.. 
< 1347157643 389474 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spacial world in general scares me
< 1347157683 983997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feels weird just to swipe a credit card everywhere; at home we always stick them halfway in and then key in a PIN code. Or if not PINning, then at least sign a piece of paper.
< 1347157808 593481 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1347157924 926540 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel important with my debit card :3
< 1347157944 303785 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to have a mere keycard
< 1347158027 152302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :height scares the hell out of me, but not on planes fortunetely
< 1347158035 512877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a
< 1347158105 920083 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every part of flying sucks except the part where you're actually in the air
< 1347158144 341326 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347158213 682306 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off.  Probably rebooting or something.
< 1347158683 948065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: KLM's in-flight magazine had a multi-page feature about Trondheim.
< 1347158698 937178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1347158962 114015 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1347158984 183354 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was easier when i was younger, long bus rides
< 1347158996 381573 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was interested in the technological expansion
< 1347159009 106873 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the projects people were working on
< 1347159026 559904 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347159065 155958 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember the best busride ever was one long trip back from a camp when i was discussing video games with my friend
< 1347159099 86621 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :he told me his dad knew something about some video game console supiter jupiter
< 1347159122 164470 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering that sega had saturn and neptune, i have to wonder if it was actually a real thing
< 1347159196 852667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks of the jupiter ace, but you're too young for that
< 1347159233 566897 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, itidus21 isn't saying he used it himself.
< 1347159290 101595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_32X was initially supposed to be called jupiter
< 1347159375 787056 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this bustrip may have been in 1992... 
< 1347159394 36897 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure
< 1347159434 548730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently saturn is pronounced Satān in japanese...
< 1347159435 572252 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i started secondary college in 1994 and it was a primary school camp
< 1347159449 394942 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yup.
< 1347159456 514086 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so mr satan in dbz might be mr saturn?
< 1347159460 83941 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which sounds absolutely nothing like English "satan".
< 1347159489 61800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does it sound like "satan" in most european languages _other_ than english?
< 1347159512 862700 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: sahtahn would be a rough approximation of the sound of it...
< 1347159525 519702 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh..
< 1347159531 377668 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :dbz satan wasnt sataan
< 1347159542 476950 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Nah, it's definitely supposed to be Mr. Satan there.
< 1347159550 861061 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :" In 2009, his real name was revealed to be Mark (マーク Māku?), which is a pun on the word "Akuma", meaning "devil/demon" in Japanese. "
< 1347159558 90402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically it sounds like when norwegians are swearing _particularly_ forcefully.  got it.
< 1347159619 600428 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese long vowels (denoted by that mark over the vowel) aren't different vowels, they are just literally pronounced longer.
< 1347159663 372690 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they double vowels?
< 1347159672 96568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant the ah's to represent long a's
< 1347159692 260876 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I was saying "sahtahn" to approximate the sound in English phonology.
< 1347159706 739724 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then commented that a Japanese long a is just a longer Japanese a.
< 1347159712 181159 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Yes, they are pronounced twice as long as a normal vowel.
< 1347159719 788409 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Two morae instead of one.
< 1347159748 987788 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the topic in here is so sensitive to my random comments.. 
< 1347159756 34039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good, same in norwegian (while swedish has a bigger difference...)
< 1347159793 622118 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not good because i just dont actually do esolangs
< 1347159798 152733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for long vs. short a that is
< 1347159834 25721 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like my presence here is killing the channel... 
< 1347159867 294161 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: We mostly don't esolang here anyways.
< 1347159874 911804 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but...
< 1347159875 979611 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not you, it's the common trend.
< 1347159884 94236 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And predates you, I'm pretty sure.
< 1347159885 461039 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many major projects have formed in the history of #esoteric
< 1347159891 964221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's been more than usual esolanging lately
< 1347159913 637398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not a majority conversation
< 1347159919 958256 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the eso lang wiki itself, codu, hackego, fungot, the logs, the quotes
< 1347159920 469451 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: ok. the errors are just when installing the launcher
< 1347159957 872307 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :dwarf fortress sessions, 
< 1347160000 371096 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i simply don't contribute to such things
< 1347160026 709239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, no one was really talking when you started the topic
< 1347160083 483197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and japanese and linguistics have been discussed here long before you joined
< 1347160093 60795 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :true
< 1347160105 486189 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^
< 1347160126 12638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe since pikhq started learning it
< 1347160145 469156 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, IIRC, was actually a little *before* I joined this channel, actually.
< 1347160151 887844 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i guess i was wrong
< 1347160152 602856 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I sucked then.
< 1347160204 773494 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was interested in japanese for quite a while... 
< 1347160209 953325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i vaguely recall japanese have sucking vowels
< 1347160214 497449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*has
< 1347160230 437665 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Does it?
< 1347160231 843599 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see the japanese as an example of how interesting a foreign culture can be
< 1347160241 732362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just unvoiced ones
< 1347160258 440262 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its.. basically i see the whole world is turning to crap
< 1347160277 735727 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of absurd ideals being sought
< 1347160284 332782 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The vowels are IPA /a/ /i/ /u/ /e/ /o/.
< 1347160293 481044 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the humanity is being drained away
< 1347160340 110729 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its all about money
< 1347160376 301530 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean for example... colonization kills cultures
< 1347160408 717453 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most warhungry cultures expand the farthest
< 1347160640 593888 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean to say is, all the interesting aspects of japanese culture are a result of it's long term isolation
< 1347160757 275562 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :when cultures are concentrated and left alone to their own devices, things go better
< 1347160906 46870 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh my mom is so loud on the phone
< 1347160918 759225 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to block it out with music and headphones
< 1347160925 352261 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant think straight
< 1347161130 294737 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PART #esoteric :"ichi ni san yon go"
< 1347161842 240475 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-147-76.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347161880 43258 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b785b.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347161945 174456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing the rules for a game called "Sorcery Card". There are 24 ways to play.
< 1347162523 206341 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347162822 927420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347166296 276596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1347166665 532854 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (×) = (*) in 2 × 3
< 1347166666 594540 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  6
< 1347166697 285543 :hagb4rd!~hagb4rd@koln-4d0b785b.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1347166893 182903 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347167115 625834 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ket (*) = (x) in 2 * 3
< 1347167118 505604 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops
< 1347167121 647625 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (*) = (x) in 2 * 3
< 1347167122 721757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `t1 -> t2 -> t'
< 1347167122 930038 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type ...
< 1347167127 518156 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/
< 1347167911 922710 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347168281 909258 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah!  Blakeyrat is a total moron amirite?
< 1347168332 89994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably.
< 1347168456 385350 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reading his "The Linux CLI sucks" thread
< 1347168474 465959 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he keeps saying incredibly idiotic things
< 1347168509 979105 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about it sucks?
< 1347168528 731262 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.thedailywtf.com/forums/p/26646/302986.aspx
< 1347168538 284660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Linux CLI is good. In my opinion, he is very wrong.
< 1347168549 484241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have recently written some music yesterday and today.
< 1347168568 912860 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, what kind of music?
< 1347168582 133486 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, you're right, it is, and he is.
< 1347168645 151202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury:  http://2a03.free.fr/?p=pub&dir=zzo38  kind of music. (The zzo38_2 is the recent one; read 00README.txt for information)
< 1347168684 152649 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, chiptune
< 1347168712 858437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You will need NES/Famicom emulator (or a hardware NSF player) in order to play it.
< 1347168741 972668 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, 'fraid I can't be arsed
< 1347168780 268103 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll bookmark it in case my arsedness coefficient increases later
< 1347168793 810465 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1347168832 68499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to modify it, that is OK with me.
< 1347168974 859285 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlikely; I know shit all about the Famicom
< 1347168982 477365 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a ZX Spectrum fanboi
< 1347169002 379924 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno even what cpu the Famicom has.  Is it 6502?
< 1347169041 940049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, except it lacks decimal mode.
< 1347169094 122985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can still set and clear decimal mode, and if the flags are pushed on the stack it will still specify if it is set or not, but it won't affect the operation of addition and so on.)
< 1347169119 490225 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, the Z80 doesn't have a decimal mode.  It just has N and H flags and a magic "DAA" instruction
< 1347169127 742294 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Decimal Adjust Accumulator)
< 1347169140 783838 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, btw, is a pig to implement in an emulator
< 1347169183 70437 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do { bonghits } while (0);
< 1347169218 249744 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you doing while 0?
< 1347169231 998996 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an idiom for C macros
< 1347169252 769121 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that just equivalent to { bonghits }? (Brackets retained for scoping-ism)
< 1347169254 902009 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/257418/do-while-0-what-is-it-good-for
< 1347169255 787896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I learned of that I now do sometimes use do { ... } while(0) in a C macro.
< 1347169291 845453 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do! While! 0! Good gods, y'all!  What is it good for?  Absolutely nothing!
< 1347169351 738995 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second answer is actually a totally different use of do { ... } while (0)
< 1347169359 445517 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i don't think i've seen in actual code
< 1347169414 36597 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, that is another use, if you do not want to name a label.
< 1347169446 304066 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frankly, if something you want to do takes multiple statements to achieve, I don't think it should be a macro.
< 1347169455 477929 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is an idiotic viewpoint
< 1347169456 719041 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inline functions spring to mind
< 1347169477 549536 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :many uses of macros cannot be written as inline functions
< 1347169478 59576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, there are some things that macros will do better.
< 1347169488 806638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But some things are better with inline functions.
< 1347169498 634391 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example if it needs access to the scope or the control flow (return etc) at the call site
< 1347169518 641467 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :longer macros represent a greater savings of duplicated code
< 1347169545 290497 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think I would rather use 'goto' instead of do { ... break; ... } while (0);
< 1347169567 758850 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well if you need that then your control flow is excessively baroque and obtuse
< 1347169581 459655 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :goto is unstructured, you savage
< 1347169596 481848 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah guys i heard goto is considered harmful so let's write really ugly weird code to avoid it
< 1347169603 823197 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: you're just wrong
< 1347169604 901391 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: goto is fine, put the raptors away
< 1347169605 69918 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is excessively baroque and obtuse
< 1347169607 117175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, you can use goto there; unless you don't want a label, or if there are other purposes having to do with macros that you need this break
< 1347169617 640115 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wow, what a reasoned and convincing argument
< 1347169621 27924 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example if use many times in a macro and you don't want duplicate label names
< 1347169627 137321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, mosh doesn't do color prediction.
< 1347169627 164422 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you're just wrong".  I'll have to remember that one.
< 1347169633 126104 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: i can't argue against you because you aren't presenting any argument
< 1347169636 231701 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Errors are baroque and obtuse control flow.
< 1347169638 483246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I too would usually use goto in this case.
< 1347169641 149759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Editing a file with syntax highlighting over a slow connection is funny.
< 1347169658 167344 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he's arguing that he's correct.
< 1347169692 947330 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm arguing that 'doing clever things with macros' encourages you to write code so clever you can't maintain it
< 1347169705 895872 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you can go overboard with macros
< 1347169715 635744 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, you can make things much nicer if you use them right
< 1347169730 202408 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "only one statement per macro" is not a suitable guideline
< 1347169758 433555 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we'll just have to respectfully disagree there
< 1347169772 530649 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right then
< 1347169778 792188 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using macros to write multiple statements is not particularly virtuosic
< 1347169795 715026 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of library plumbing is done that way
< 1347170087 65896 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, using ewd rhetoric has about the same effect on people as if you went around riding fixies
< 1347170091 677884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think C macros is useful, although a bit weak.
< 1347170124 261747 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: I count over 4000 uses of the "do { ... } while (0)" trick in the Linux kernel codebase
< 1347170137 714032 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not holding up Linux as the be-all standard of a beautiful C program
< 1347170151 237800 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a huge codebase worked on by a lot of very smart people
< 1347170156 706498 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently a number of them disagree with you ;P
< 1347170176 243828 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :\E x. x \in C && pretty x?
< 1347170202 767361 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm not surprised.  There's no One True Brace Style, either, but we're still allowed to hold opinions on which is best
< 1347170222 236094 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but allow me some skepticism if you claim that my brace style is "baroque and obtuse"
< 1347170222 954791 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's my /opinion/ that "do { ... } while (0)" is Considered Harmful
< 1347170237 735397 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that's an arbitrary aesthetic judgement on your part, then fine
< 1347170241 883930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; and you can program using the brace style you prefer.
< 1347170245 363035 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree that the need for this extra while loop is ugly
< 1347170247 792044 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A brace style could be baroque and obtuse...
< 1347170251 625126 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is the solution to a problem which needs solving
< 1347170251 762173 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if(foo)
< 1347170252 482858 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{
< 1347170253 243130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In Haskell you can even omit the braces if you prefer.)
< 1347170255 366146 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :  bar; }
< 1347170273 308329 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say that's pretty obtuse, but it's valid C so what the fuck, do what you like
< 1347170290 970679 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: Yes, do what you like. I don't like that brace style either but use if you want to.
< 1347170313 544407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer:
< 1347170318 216007 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :void xyz(void) {
< 1347170318 766192 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you started this conversation you really did not seem to be describing an aesthetic preference
< 1347170329 956387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :  if(a) {
< 1347170334 262518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :    bc();
< 1347170336 961793 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :    de();
< 1347170337 874028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :  }
< 1347170338 727118 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :}
< 1347170356 174413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you hate this style then don't use it.
< 1347170379 947704 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: your rule about macros is fundamentally unlike a brace style question because I can rewrite any code to use whatever brace style you prefer, but there are many macros I fundamentally can't write with only one statement!
< 1347170394 174986 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are limiting the expressiveness of code and not merely imposing an aesthetic rule
< 1347170401 746948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do { ... } while(0)   is one statement, though.
< 1347170437 178890 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another reason to prefer macros over inline functions in C is that macros can be type-generic
< 1347170463 358816 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same macro can work on float or int, or it can work on every struct with a field of some particular name
< 1347170470 652295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes they can; there are other things you can do with macros too, though; not only those things!
< 1347170478 878520 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :again reducing code duplication, and making things clearer if used tastefully
< 1347170486 309163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But those are some of the things done, and I have done things like that too.
< 1347170494 667243 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things better with functions, though.
< 1347170499 978370 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1347170504 263360 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to consider each circumstance
< 1347170516 694907 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why blanket rules like "goto is bad!" or "multi-statement macros are bad!" are bad
< 1347170535 226338 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think that all else being equal, a multi-statement macro should get more scrutiny
< 1347170540 341822 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of "am i being too clever"
< 1347170546 91929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree; goto is not bad, and macros is not bad, etc
< 1347170550 690530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr
< 1347170550 860641 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrr!
< 1347170553 842636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote scrutiny
< 1347170554 13019 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ksf says: There's always going to be cases where good programs are rejected. But those who abandon close scrutiny for the sake of ease have earned neither ease nor maintainable programs.
< 1347170554 949460 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that was kind of hard for me to accept is that sometimes, the best way really is just to duplicate some code
< 1347170674 921354 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait
< 1347170685 49940 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :We are discussing the harmfulness of common C idioms
< 1347170688 45722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes that may be the case.
< 1347170689 144081 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :in #esoteric?
< 1347170705 485631 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sometimes macro is better at least my opinion.
< 1347170708 224111 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux programmers seem to have gone a bit overboard with this idiom
< 1347170716 300075 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do { current->hardirq_context++; } while (0)
< 1347170723 591671 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no need for it here, right?
< 1347170733 611548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case it would certainly seem you don't need it.
< 1347170750 110850 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it catches some cases of misuse better
< 1347170756 514435 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prevents you from using that expression as an expression
< 1347170768 419041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is one possibility.
< 1347170781 434859 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, every macro that expands to a statement is placed in do { _ } while(0)
< 1347170791 552728 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is some reason for it
< 1347170799 171872 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: couldn't you do that with ((void)(current->hardirq_context++)), or am I mistaken?
< 1347170808 396108 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly
< 1347170817 399356 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: here is a pretty good one:
< 1347170822 516935 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course, you could still use it in an expression, but not any expr you'd be likely to write)
< 1347170831 106928 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define might_sleep() do { __might_sleep(__FILE__, __LINE__, 0); might_resched(); } while (0)
< 1347170837 626454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Consistency can be a reasonable goal in itself.
< 1347170850 202135 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah
< 1347170859 90429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as you have to resort to code duplication, it's probably better to have the same pattern everywhere.
< 1347170863 466105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are pretty good at patterns.
< 1347170868 797950 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1347170885 79483 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it more likely they will DTRT when they add a second statement to your macro
< 1347170887 745611 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they should allow return from a void function to have an expression of a void function call optionally in order to specify tail call hint for the compiler.
< 1347170920 548077 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, cute
< 1347170944 882073 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But, they don't allow that.)
< 1347170994 636177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :C ought to have void values.
< 1347170998 77424 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure gcc ignores almost all voodoo constructs that programmers throw in to hint at optimizations
< 1347171002 866294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they would be much more useful in C++ than in C.
< 1347171019 738311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then they should allow in C++ as well.
< 1347171049 663607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Justification: template res_t foo(...) { struct { res_t res; run() { res = ...; } s; ...; return s.res; }
< 1347171070 183404 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can probably specialize a template on void.
< 1347171075 992487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1347171080 803526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you have to write the code twice.
< 1347171103 50828 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if gcc has rules specifically to detect silly tricks people do and turn them into code that's actually good on modern machines
< 1347171112 201496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: GCC does allow that, and I've used that idiom in one case.
< 1347171125 868138 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to specialize templates anyway, because your template probably won't all work the same way for rvalue-refs, lvalues, lvalue-refs, lvalue-const-refs, pointers, or the new atomic types
< 1347171127 813207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to specify an optimization hint, just to make things clearer.
< 1347171149 620887 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: They do? Do other compilers supporting GNU89 (such as Clang) supports that?
< 1347171172 138108 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it probably happens as special cases of some optimizer passes
< 1347171213 182918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, it works in Clang too.
< 1347171231 749889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any other compilers supporting GNU extensions?
< 1347171245 684376 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :icc supports some
< 1347171266 410013 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think some GNU extensions are very widely supported
< 1347171270 725474 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example // comments in c89 mode
< 1347171288 669866 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :icc uses edison's parser
< 1347171306 221050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Calling that a GNU extension is a bit strange.
< 1347171309 533707 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably edg implements common extensions
< 1347171316 217505 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... a extension supported by gnu
< 1347171331 194677 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: most of them can't be removed at the parsing stage, though
< 1347171341 49700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: gcc doesn't support // comments in c89 mode, actually.
< 1347171345 919965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It supports them in gnu89 mode.
< 1347171348 381799 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the entire front-end
< 1347171363 848643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always use GNU89 mode except compiling a program requiring a different mode.
< 1347171375 406858 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel mainly implements the back-end
< 1347171382 957571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Isn't that true of every mode?
< 1347171414 554136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I am not sure exactly you mean.
< 1347171455 805406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's not really.
< 1347171466 236557 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ah, right
< 1347171484 502075 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but strangely (i discovered today) it allows mixed declarations and code with -std=c89
< 1347171491 394945 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, declarations after statements
< 1347171496 4220 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only with -pedantic does it complain
< 1347171528 800395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-std=c89 without -pedantic isn't real -std=c89
< 1347171533 931974 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1347171541 295116 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta sleep, ttyl all
< 1347171552 579226 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nn then
< 1347171585 349694 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gcc developers officially take the standards as guidelines
< 1347171620 465233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I non-standard static analysis
< 1347171624 646627 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they try to implement the standards for you, but It's A Crapshoot
< 1347171637 431304 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the default is always -gnuXX
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< 1347208058 685268 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages?
< 1347208058 859859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today.
< 1347208111 55865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1347208772 334856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : A brace style could be baroque and obtuse...
< 1347208773 245785 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347208844 39261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do {{ /*********************** GLORIA ***********************/ {{
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< 1347208854 764080 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: something tells me that your nes sound files are very difficult to play.
< 1347208871 963697 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-236-175.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347208879 469311 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have several nes emulators, and i see the online file directory where the nes music is contained
< 1347208890 891878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :   }} /****************** IN EXCELSIS DEO *******************/ }}
< 1347208901 7538 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :however... the operation of appending one file onto another is beyond my ken
< 1347208906 384082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while (0);
< 1347208912 885763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: You need not append one file onto another to play them.
< 1347208923 879570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Appending one file onto another is only if you want to play ZZT files.
< 1347208936 54913 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bonus points for using the word ken
< 1347208936 78269 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a Famicom emulator.
< 1347208945 476327 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh
< 1347208952 837034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY YOUR BLATHER IS RUINING MY BAROQUE BRACE STYLE
< 1347208978 760916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: To play the .NSFs you need not append any files.
< 1347208979 145592 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you fix it?
< 1347208987 383212 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets let oerjan do his work
< 1347209003 75211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm finished but it got a bit broken up
< 1347209007 932203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do {{ /*********************** GLORIA ***********************/ {{
< 1347209009 926124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :   }} /****************** IN EXCELSIS DEO *******************/ }}
< 1347209011 735705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while (0);
< 1347209059 889216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I clarified the text and will upload a new version later today.
< 1347209069 146982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For now, just load the .NSF files without appending anything.
< 1347209091 495786 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i said fix it i meant can oerjan fix his baroque brace style :D
< 1347209098 137765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did
< 1347209122 975548 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1347209125 811135 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :success
< 1347209127 284329 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the text doesn't seem to be properly centered in the /***/ blocks
< 1347209147 292444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know that; but that is not what I meant.
< 1347209158 145985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant that you can load the .NSF without appending one file onto another.
< 1347209170 213709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: sadly GLORIA and EXCELSIS DEO don't have the same parity, so i cannot do that
< 1347209186 327002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*IN EXCELSIS DEO
< 1347209188 248444 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, choose a different proverb?
< 1347209193 963259 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever that is
< 1347209207 367974 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hymn lyric
< 1347209212 679101 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha... the nes emulator is happy with nsf
< 1347209221 923384 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding dong merrily on high, I think?
< 1347209240 192308 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dongs
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< 1347209288 119355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i know
< 1347209311 696312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do {{ /********************** LAUDATE **********************/ {{
< 1347209345 865365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :   }} /********************** DOMINUM **********************/ }}
< 1347209350 366719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while (0);
< 1347209378 713316 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah... virtuanes doesn't like it, but nestopia does
< 1347209404 658992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am using VirtuaNES; they should work with VirtuaNES.
< 1347209413 795948 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i set it up weird
< 1347209416 133282 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows
< 1347209430 349574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But any compliant emulator should play them.
< 1347209435 179942 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe my virtuanes is out of date
< 1347209453 439686 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did notice however that virtuanes had a nicer gui
< 1347209462 301124 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it didn't do anything
< 1347209482 729997 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to tell it to start the music! Unlike other emulators it will not start automatically.
< 1347209503 968919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go Option->Controller->NSF Player you can configure which key to start music.
< 1347209510 970446 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1347209527 852575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ding dong merrily on high, I think? <-- that may be where i heard it first (our english teacher in high school was a nice old scottish woman)
< 1347209530 215338 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when you indent, do you reduce the number of asterixes to match?
< 1347209562 814935 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ding dong merrily on high, hosana in excelsis
< 1347209563 896171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: obviously.
< 1347209569 68830 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok!
< 1347209573 851172 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait
< 1347209577 239606 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's something else?
< 1347209578 318583 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1347209579 192557 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is happening now
< 1347209581 493272 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DO NOT KNOW
< 1347209606 976034 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pie iesu domine, dona eis requiem
< 1347209610 757278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: there's a long "gloooooooooria" inside it, and in excelsis.  i don't think the "in deo" was there when she taught us, but i've heard it with it later
< 1347209630 577866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er
< 1347209634 564272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-in 
< 1347209692 629758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, i think her version had "hosana in excelsis" but i've heard oslo gospel choir sing "in excelsis deo"
< 1347209715 196811 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think hosana is hebrew?
< 1347209723 386006 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 (Untitled) #2 is a nice music
< 1347209793 159230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: OK. Did you read the comment? (The file 00README.txt has comments for all of this music)
< 1347209794 21401 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347209803 972447 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i peeked at it
< 1347209834 861617 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my nes rom folder is such a mess.. and is 374mb due to lots of repeats
< 1347209857 993630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could organize them into directories
< 1347209866 770197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hosanna is a liturgical word in Judaism and Christianity. In Judaism, it is always used in its original Hebrew form, Hoshana."
< 1347209887 957542 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not really put enough effort into the rom collection
< 1347209909 204598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :""Gloria in excelsis Deo" (Latin for "Glory to God in the highest") is a hymn known also as the Greater Doxology (as distinguished from the "Minor Doxology" or ..."
< 1347209931 716347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dumped ROMs may be given differing filenames from different sources, including based on method of dumping; homebrew ROMs tend to have only a single filename and do not have that problem. (You may have both kinds on your computer.)
< 1347209933 219259 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello guys! I wanted my first message on the channel today be about my love for coffee. so there it is: I LOVE COFFEE thank you for your time
< 1347209949 531674 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my strategy was to download torrents with as many nes files as possible
< 1347209982 49422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The hymn begins with the words that the angels sang when the birth of Christ was announced to shepherds in Luke 2:14"
< 1347209982 260017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: O, in that case, yes there are going to be lots of repeats, of dumped ROMs especially.
< 1347209989 386036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's where that's from
< 1347210001 75565 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but naturally, the people who build such torrents have not invested endless time making it perfect
< 1347210003 807224 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: welcome, I hope you'll enjoy loving coffee in this channel
< 1347210022 527841 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I promise you I will
< 1347210055 994842 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's up? any new TC proofs, a major breach in computational banana schience fiction?
< 1347210058 884396 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder who added "I HAVE NOW" to the topic and what it means
< 1347210079 976018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for GameBoy, homebrew ROMs downloaded from sources which also include dumped ROMs generally change the filenames of homebrew ROMs as well, though.
< 1347210091 910669 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know for NES)
< 1347210094 55479 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :searching the logs for "have you" might give a beginning of answer olsner
< 1347210109 987187 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might!
< 1347210127 145437 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like roms. i like the way they sever most dependancies
< 1347210201 563815 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: we are living in Pax Coffeana!
< 1347210213 425525 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically... i like that you don't have to install a rom... you don't have to even unzip it
< 1347210220 582295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those wars in ancient times were just because they couldn't get their morning coffee
< 1347210231 820639 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :with roms you can keep a set of games in their zip files
< 1347210234 820777 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when I was in prepschool we have had *one* algorithmic test in a whole year
< 1347210237 524945 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, the "I HAVE NOW" comes from a picture I saw and showed to oerjan
< 1347210243 702908 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: nice
< 1347210249 948873 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I answered every question except one *and it's been haunting me since then*
< 1347210268 255669 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like any system which has such an airtight file storage
< 1347210272 317744 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yesterday I had coffee with my grandmother; she makes very, very strong coffee
< 1347210279 219098 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/217130_3530847072634_1433380748_n.jpg
< 1347210292 614160 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: that's funny
< 1347210293 653138 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I drank two cups and yesterday night I was unable to sleep
< 1347210310 811673 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the solution to the unanswered question *appeared* to me
< 1347210316 693151 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at approximately 4am
< 1347210325 693482 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically it was pretty simple :(
< 1347210332 369001 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :today my dinner was 2 rolls with hommus dip, sliced ham, and mild american mustard
< 1347210366 164096 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly the zenith of luxury
< 1347210396 285287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : so what's up? any new TC proofs, a major breach in computational banana schience fiction? <-- you _have_ looked at Banana Scheme, right?  it's not new, though.
< 1347210396 558775 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bread rolls?
< 1347210400 25103 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya
< 1347210407 23351 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have, oerjan
< 1347210411 672683 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :not royce rolls
< 1347210413 174439 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I found it great
< 1347210428 418303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder who added "I HAVE NOW" to the topic and what it means <-- i did, it was a reference to a picture someone linked of a dog
< 1347210434 165537 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1347210448 360088 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read zzo's language with time travel
< 1347210462 152915 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was in category "uncomputable" and I wondered "what else can there be in that category?"
< 1347210468 407468 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I pretty much read all pages
< 1347210559 78587 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i have always liked wave patterns ever since i saw akira
< 1347210572 403614 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, http://esolangs.org/wiki/You_are_Reading_the_Name_of_this_Esolang is a nice name for a language
< 1347210604 668237 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that aspect of the akira story was exciting
< 1347210636 21379 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time you read it you get that nice feeling of "appropriately, I *am* just now reading the name of that esolang"
< 1347210700 547202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Do you like any of other musics in there? And, yes, the ROMs are generally a single file which works in any compatible emulator or hardware, so that is OK. NES/Famicom games are being written even very recently, even though Nintendo no longer supports them.
< 1347210794 756855 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nintendo is a big believer in investing absurd amounts of money into useless novelty gimmicks such as virtual boy and 3ds, although i am still curious to play a 3ds one day
< 1347210826 567456 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhmm
< 1347210844 960027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have designed (but not implemented) a hardware NSF player. The hardware is the same for any .NSF file, it can use any combination of expansion chips, including banked, NTSC, PAL, multi tracks. Push left/right select track number, START to play music, A button to stop.
< 1347210846 744879 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i am just replaying zzo38 #2 at the moment
< 1347210881 747120 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: the 3DS has sold pretty well
< 1347210883 316816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Have you ever written any .NSF music?
< 1347210927 629896 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah..... i guess i do want one.. because 3d does sound fun
< 1347210931 673241 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny to use 'useless novelty gimmicks' as a criticism when talking about video games
< 1347210971 62489 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no i havent.
< 1347211001 567280 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you're right. it's a bit of cognitive dissonance in part
< 1347211032 905938 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-224-125.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347211083 106875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the 3DS if you take photographs using the camera and it is connected to the internet, then Nintendo can look at them (it says so in their license agreement). I don't know why; it is no sense. The license agreement also says young children should not use the camera so that Nintendo cannot see them.
< 1347211155 500636 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh itidus21
< 1347211220 228828 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: my concern is partially the fact that it supposedly gives a lot of people headaches, and can't really be played for hours on end, and 3d setting is advised to be turned off around children
< 1347211236 60501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 3DS does have a program for a one-time fee of $8.00 to write and run programs in BASIC.
< 1347211243 62800 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also that the virtual boy flopped completely
< 1347211262 252074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Yes, that too. You can turn off and adjust the 3D setting by a slider at any time, though.
< 1347211270 384895 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ...that's not available in EU yet :(
< 1347211274 266210 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took me a while to figure out what the problem with 3D games is but then i realized you’re talking about stereo games.
< 1347211325 995058 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: i don't see how the virtual boy is relevant
< 1347211335 254638 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 3DS has been on sale for more than a year
< 1347211345 398906 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do not need to speculate to determine if it is a flop
< 1347211347 491085 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was nintendo's first attempt at selling stereo graphics
< 1347211394 770377 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys i think 3D movies are a fad, I think _Avatar_ won't do very well at the box office
< 1347211412 264400 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, what's your opinion on the Fancy L problem?
< 1347211431 641329 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just honestly can't understand how you think itidus21
< 1347211433 80358 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have determined that many people prefer the 2D version of the movies in this area, although 3D version is still played and some people like it.
< 1347211452 430087 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm mentally ill really.
< 1347211459 687262 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres no two ways about it
< 1347211512 155595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have invented a "NTSC stereovision" protocol where at first is synchronization signal, three gray frames followed by black, white, black, white, black, white, black, white, black, white, and then the left frame alternates with right frame; nine unchanging frames turns off stereovision.
< 1347211530 320018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be used with digital as well.
< 1347211548 27140 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also usable with VGA, PAL, etc.
< 1347211576 411752 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, http://esolangs.org/wiki/%E2%84%92
< 1347211591 964223 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 3DS sales were poor initially but have picked up, to "solid" if not "runaway success"
< 1347211597 845277 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After a very rocky start, Nintendo has announced it sold 4.5 million Nintendo 3DS handhelds in the United States during its first year. Believe it or not, that's better than the much-loved Nintendo DS did with its first year."
< 1347211602 604545 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i know how to give you insight into how i think
< 1347211623 754376 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Have you ever written any music at all or try to or intend to? I used PPMCK to write these .NSF musics although other programs exist too.
< 1347211649 872637 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nice, but i think 14.99 FPS is not enough
< 1347211698 176430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I suppose you are correct. Still, the similar thing can be used with formats other than NTSC.
< 1347211705 473077 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sincerely don’t see why you keep creating protocols and cable specifications based on analog legacy video systems. Why not a fast packet-based digital bus?
< 1347211713 52499 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how does it interact with interlacing
< 1347211735 855733 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you send a full left frame in 2 interlaced half-frames, and then a full right frame?
< 1347211747 441548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes.
< 1347211760 893686 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you did a left half-frame and then a right half-frame, you could get better framerate
< 1347211761 380855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, using formats without interlacing it may work better.
< 1347211769 598817 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the interlacing artifacts would be horrible in 3D
< 1347211770 851603 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know
< 1347211781 596540 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this is entirely safe for work http://oi48.tinypic.com/2iji4ar.jpg
< 1347211786 408686 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes that is another possibility; but I also don't know if interlacing artifacts will be horrible in 3D.
< 1347211802 303439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still it could use with other formats such as the "Digi-RGB" format of my design.
< 1347211821 436846 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a picture says 1000 words i like to think
< 1347211840 170525 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have 4 notepads open
< 1347211874 599633 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reminded of how awful the lack of virtual desktops is.
< 1347211906 105245 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digi-RGB is four pins for red, four for green, four for blue, one for clock, one for synchronization, and the others for power/ground. The aspect ratio is always a power of 4/3, which ensures that the correct screen resolution is always known.
< 1347211954 952733 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is it 12-bit color?
< 1347211964 274874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than some electrical specifications and stuff, this is basically entirely how it works. It is a very simple protocol.
< 1347211967 312331 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the icons behind all that are a mess too
< 1347211975 607473 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Restricting it to sRGB might also be not the best idea.
< 1347211975 781201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No; I forgot to mention: There are two clocks per pixel.
< 1347211977 561115 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you have multiple clocks per pixel
< 1347211978 644792 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1347211996 442648 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does sound simple
< 1347212006 607282 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i have anvil studio for playing with midi files but is a long time since i did that
< 1347212051 373857 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as 8bit music goes i am interested in the way creativity thrives under constraints
< 1347212058 923302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the host wants to turn off the display for power saving, you can fix the synchronization signal high.
< 1347212157 193532 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i have a copy of warioware diy for ds which has a music editor for short music about 16 seconds long i think
< 1347212167 955773 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe its 8 seconds 
< 1347212173 569 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and repeated twice for 16
< 1347212203 65050 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: There is also program to convert MIDI to .NSF, I think, by Tom 7 Entertainment System. There is also PPMCK (I use a version of PPMCK which I have made improvements to), Famitracker, NerdTracker, and possibly others.
< 1347212217 544823 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in midi i just clicked on random spots
< 1347212251 94714 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.. actually some of the midi music i came up with isn't all that bad
< 1347212255 709461 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its merely terrible
< 1347212258 495900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ZZT music player I have written for Famicom will also be .NSF format.
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< 1347212295 38981 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the bull in a museum approach to music composition
< 1347212297 909322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other programs I have heard for writing .NSF musics is Impulse Tracker to .NSF, and SuperNSF (which includes a software synthesizer, I think)
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< 1347212360 502790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that music collection of my .NSF music files, the .mml are the source files and are just plain text files; you can look at them if you are interested in it.
< 1347212364 479059 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i have started to ponder about the relationship between things... 
< 1347212412 740678 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, with the sound track of a movie, the main relationship between the music and the footage is that someone decided to put them together
< 1347212426 284815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1347212446 525532 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an unsettling idea really
< 1347212483 880155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, sometimes the people make the music specifically for this movie
< 1347212503 107617 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its almost as if the director is trying to trick you into listening to their favorite songs, and asking you to pay for the privelige
< 1347212503 626858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sometimes they just make various music and then see which one they want.
< 1347212506 278164 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its rather clever
< 1347212595 412211 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... next time you want to show someone your favorite music
< 1347212605 54709 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply set it to an interesting footage!
< 1347212613 720187 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1347212625 878009 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im half-joking
< 1347212690 981458 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah good point.... maybe if i had actually composed music i would understand a bit more
< 1347212728 737595 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :when in doubt, people like me always assume the option which involves humans being brain-dead
< 1347212729 784039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try to write a .NSF music if you want; first you will need some software which will compile it. Two main styles are MML and trackers; some prefer one and some prefer another.
< 1347212786 526036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then, you have to learn the 2A03 audio and the expansion audio.
< 1347212799 131851 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :people often assume, "when he did that, he did not think about it..."
< 1347212822 776499 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is probably a fallacy in itself
< 1347212823 472293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Yes that does sometimes seem to be the case that they did not think about it very well.
< 1347212832 673435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not always, though.)
< 1347212978 753555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than MML and trackers, another possibility is using MIDI recording.
< 1347213027 743223 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory of mind of a stranger can't be very accurate
< 1347213040 331275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree
< 1347213183 810917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you used any other programs for writing music, other than Anvil Studio?
< 1347213231 974378 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am bad at arriving at a point. but i mean i don't understand what an artist or composer does. i almost have trouble believing in art at all. and no i haven't
< 1347213260 422273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think different composers can compose music using different ways
< 1347213288 285742 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However I know some things about music theory, so I can use that too.
< 1347213315 967572 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think people can impart their uniqueness on what they do
< 1347213353 82525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I think so too.
< 1347213392 24194 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess what i really mean by that is, the way one person does things will always be different from how everyone else does it
< 1347213406 448458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
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< 1347213533 880433 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe this is always true, except, when measuring what people do, somehow theres a finite number of options
< 1347213596 805356 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in anatomy, no animal is ever precisely matching the anatomy of it's species
< 1347213612 265861 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always somewhere in a continuum of evolution
< 1347213694 567481 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :an eye is an eye but it is evolving beyond some other eye, and evolving towards some other eye
< 1347213745 243645 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think that, although it is continuous only the discrete ways are realized as I think quantum physics works like this?
< 1347213768 682674 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore it applies to everything, whether it is physics or chemistry or biology or electronics
< 1347213771 164671 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea
< 1347213775 660723 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1347213817 718202 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: hmmmm trick question
< 1347213866 346789 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally feel "is said language turing-complete or not?" is not enough of a question to describe a language's computational class
< 1347213879 944866 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, Turing-machines don't even have i/o
< 1347213909 130202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have now typed the changes of the character sheet of Dungeons&Dragons game; I helped another player to fill their character sheet and now I have put it into the computer too. This also include entirely story text too, and all character sheets, footnotes, etc
< 1347213925 834353 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am thinking that in the acts of rolling a dice, or flipping a coin, a person cannot express their uniqueness... but on the other hand something tells me that they can
< 1347213929 442078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: OK; does computation class include I/O class though? Perhaps I/O class is another difference thing.
< 1347213978 6013 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: computation class includes rogue, paladin, cleric, mage, sorceror, and assassin
< 1347213991 500914 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, I never said it had to be linear :) classes are set, so there is not necessarily an absolute order on them
< 1347213996 920896 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, can I be a cleric?
< 1347214000 63143 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if people were not expressing some form of being unique then elections would have everyone voting the same way
< 1347214010 500887 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: you want to be the healer?
< 1347214013 154124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: ha ha no I do not think so.
< 1347214016 750899 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, yeah
< 1347214023 186263 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're pretty cool guys
< 1347214028 997519 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A cleric does not necessarily have to be the healer, although generally it would be.
< 1347214048 612278 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could I be a mezzer?
< 1347214073 854769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In D&D game I am in, there are two player characters, one fighter and one wizard (actually multi-classed).
< 1347214085 530034 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just made a new programming language called Healing Serj. It is Cleric-complete.
< 1347214145 734987 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In D&D game I do the psychic healing myself.
< 1347214158 844736 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what race
< 1347214188 747101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My character is illithid wizard, other character is human fighter
< 1347214241 659668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you have to read the file to learn what happened in this game. Actually it started with a different player who is now out and the new player who is human fighter came in afterward.
< 1347214250 807030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a different player and a different character.
< 1347214283 20149 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if you read my file
< 1347214288 532496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What file?
< 1347214304 966626 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :character reference
< 1347214319 47399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK do you have URL (or netcat transfer)?
< 1347214343 443132 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have google account?
< 1347214346 210493 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No.
< 1347214362 398830 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1347214383 255377 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the file currently only exists as a google doc and it is constantly changing
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< 1347214416 208814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can do netcat transfer of the current version?
< 1347214446 403241 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not from my phone.
< 1347214449 76882 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1347214454 361618 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had idea.
< 1347214499 560065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would prefer a text file rather than a Google Docs file anyways
< 1347214510 856886 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too
< 1347214515 708444 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didnt make the thing
< 1347214517 659540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But use a different format if it is necessary.
< 1347214560 465232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then put it on your computer and then transfer it to text format, and then host it or upload it to another host or netcat transfer it to me directly.
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< 1347214934 449639 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant download it :/
< 1347214986 460053 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then copy it to the clipboard and paste it.
< 1347215008 522452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that won't work either, retype it or take a screenshot.
< 1347215027 943085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using a camera if necessary)
< 1347215059 404257 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't Google Docs allow converting to other formats, though? So why can't it work?
< 1347215112 706983 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does but not for mobile
< 1347215199 677732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then transfer it to your desktop computer.
< 1347215293 385800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With mine, I am only one changing it, and it is available for public, you can download the .tex and .dvi files (the .dvi may not be up to date)
< 1347215351 390884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in addition you can easily download it by wget or netcat so it is not necessary to use a web browser.
< 1347215444 314795 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au NICK :itidus21
< 1347215504 213791 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will wait until it is more uptodate and not changing as much
< 1347215661 675592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1347215868 395714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have Dungeons&Dragons character? What is their name?
< 1347215887 848535 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My character's name is Iuckqlwviv Kjugobe (I generated at random on my graphing calculator)
< 1347215895 687259 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1347215900 911975 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you pronounce it
< 1347215914 394475 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is an elven mage named lola
< 1347215977 181861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I can pronounce it, but some people find it difficult.
< 1347216029 479695 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a fighter, a social, or a thinker.
< 1347216034 338090 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :mymoney's on thinker
< 1347216043 605108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1347216069 166096 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you like puzzles and traps and mysteries
< 1347216073 503718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1347216080 515655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other player character is fighter.
< 1347216085 740164 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i must be psychic
< 1347216109 721466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My character is also psychic^Wpsionic.
< 1347216127 250960 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :psichonic
< 1347216131 388537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do both do various things, just mainly my character is thinker and other character is fighter
< 1347216206 643223 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant you as a player, though it doesnt surprise me that your character is just like you
< 1347216237 715049 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny, the vulcans think time travel is impossible, but places where "the laws of physics don't apply" are fine
< 1347216259 411446 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, as me as a player is the one thinking about the game mostly.
< 1347216318 450554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my character is not just like me; nor is the other player's character exactly like her, either.
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< 1347217642 236267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, you tell me when you have the file I will look if you want me to.
< 1347218453 825965 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there tests for pseudorandom number generators programmed in 6502 machine code?
< 1347218460 392875 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.reversegif.com/14022.gif
< 1347218532 942794 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idgi
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< 1347219270 382434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a good simple pseudorandom number generator usable to shuffle a deck of cards which can be programmed in a 6502 machine code?
< 1347219325 443580 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.wolfram.com/mathgroup/archive/2003/Feb/msg00456.html here is some discussion of simple PRNGs
< 1347219372 599386 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MWC256 is pretty good but it involves 32-bit math and wants 1kB of state
< 1347219451 239369 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-123-15.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347219733 593409 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could capture the RNG's output from an emulator and then run it through http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/General/dieharder.php
< 1347219912 447364 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This program is for Famicom and should make one using 8-bit math and not as much RAM; MMC5 can be used for multiplication if it helps, another idea is the microphone but that is only Japanese systems and doesn't generally work with emulators, and I don't know how sensitive it is anyways.
< 1347220034 722121 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys, if I'm willing to learn a (non-esoteric) concurrent programming language, what would you recommand? I thought maybe occam-pi but I would be glad to have a second opinion
< 1347220137 229667 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Also won't work on all real Famicoms.
< 1347220166 326888 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The AV Famicom didn't have a microphone, instead opting for NES controller ports.
< 1347220175 862139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not think the microphone is sensitive enough anyways as far as I know.
< 1347220188 397975 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the AV Famicom is the Japanese version of the top-loading NES)
< 1347220430 334957 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1347220448 187390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes for those reasons, probably should not use microphone.
< 1347220624 955854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For what I am doing I need to shuffle a standard deck of cards, however the ranks are not relevant, only the suits are used.
< 1347220889 714441 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there are other features of the 2A03 audio, of PPU, and/or of common mappers, which may be used to help random numbers.
< 1347221089 579443 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :most games from way back then used user interaction delays as sources of randomness
< 1347221126 841951 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "fifteen frames between loading this menu and the user pressing a key"
< 1347221169 794156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did intend to use that as the seed for the random number generator.
< 1347221232 942911 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can use this http://codebase64.org/doku.php?id=base:small_fast_8-bit_prng
< 1347221240 337659 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1347221241 374959 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347221856 695778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: erlang or haskell perhaps? (from hearsay really.  the latter is my favorite PL but i don't really use the concurrency parts.)
< 1347221882 959246 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I did not even realize haskell had concurrent programming
< 1347221909 543219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure functionalness really helps make some aspects of it easier (i hear :) )
< 1347221927 389999 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :easier to learn?
< 1347221935 191274 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: I'm told it's really good, but I've not played with it enough.
< 1347221943 430290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, easier not to mess up with deadlocks and the like
< 1347222003 532531 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look into it, thank you
< 1347222093 714395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erlang afaik has a single concurrency model based on message passing and automatic distribution.  haskell has a lot of different possibilities but mostly for single multicore chip work (there is distribution research but it's not really part of normal haskell yet i think)
< 1347222126 701813 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc haskell has both concurrent IO actions and parallel evaluation of pure function applications
< 1347222131 86874 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :different constructs for each
< 1347222143 33601 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, there isn't much for distributed programming
< 1347222149 381047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the infamous STM monad
< 1347222170 185816 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people talk about Cloud Haskell as a replacement for Erlang, but it's still research grade as far as I know
< 1347222178 427617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell supports the IO monad, the STM monad, and the function monad.
< 1347222185 987928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's all monads, you see.
< 1347222187 71316 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in #haskell they downplay all that "trivial" boring engineering work needed to actually use stuff
< 1347222192 762259 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm yes that's what I wasn't attracted by erlang much. I have no use for *actual* distribution - is it possible to use concurrent programming in haskell with more concurrent parts than cores on my computer?
< 1347222194 596293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(software transactional memory, where everything that could break the model is disallowed by types)
< 1347222205 450643 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: yes, you can easily spawn 1,000,000 threads in GHC
< 1347222221 123609 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are lightweight threads which map onto a configurable number of OS threads (usually one per core)
< 1347222221 647528 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sads at how expensive threads are on the JVM
< 1347222247 403714 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that does sound very attractive
< 1347222256 200677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "is disallowed by types" is a bit silly.
< 1347222263 64067 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can do blocking IO from those million threads, and the GHC runtime translates that into efficient event-based system calls (e.g. select, epoll, kqueue)
< 1347222267 606581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like saying that everything that does IO is disallowed by types.
< 1347222282 764723 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's pretty sweet
< 1347222294 3511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only thing types do in that case is catch errors early.
< 1347222299 354559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that new clojure language may also be good for concurrency with encouraged but not enforced pure functionalness, but i haven't looked at it
< 1347222336 66805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well i was trying to find a phrase that didn't require understanding monads already :)
< 1347222348 871571 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, it's a huge amount of work to learn Haskell well enough to write complicated robust performant programs
< 1347222374 521720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has nothing to do with monads!
< 1347222375 397039 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of the lore you need to know is poorly documented and basically exists as oral history in #haskell
< 1347222378 432014 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and #haskell sucks
< 1347222414 72982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that really true?
< 1347222416 768186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first sentence, I mean.
< 1347222421 888397 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so
< 1347222434 991580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of Haskell people who don't use #haskell at all...
< 1347222446 205240 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i don't know how they get by
< 1347222460 515652 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly there's not that much overlap between #haskell users and core Haskell library developers
< 1347222468 500839 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or people who are using Haskell in real world applications
< 1347222470 591605 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i can tell
< 1347222475 195930 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe my other claim is bs
< 1347222487 384379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION won't dispute the second one.
< 1347222493 368187 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was doing more haskell i felt like a lot of the things I knew, i couldn't find any specific reference for
< 1347222499 854703 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :much less a top-level "Here are the things you should learn" document
< 1347222509 32356 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as performance, understanding evaluation model, GHC tricks, etc
< 1347222511 855901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true.
< 1347222521 545594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should write a Haskell book!
< 1347222524 646689 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1347222539 826543 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can I do (!! 4) [0..10] but not (!! 4 [0..10])
< 1347222553 154401 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (!! 4 [0..10])
< 1347222554 200260 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show ([a] -> a)
< 1347222554 218916 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of...
< 1347222554 545324 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to wonder if there's a similar "need to be in the IRC channel" issue with Clojure
< 1347222566 845662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (!! 4 [0..10]) "hello monqy"
< 1347222567 931533 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  'o'
< 1347222568 839607 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that parses as (!! (4 [0..10]))
< 1347222576 993884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shouldn't do that. :-(
< 1347222583 216002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't do it in #haskell, at least.
< 1347222590 70183 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck lambdabot
< 1347222620 491589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : a lot of the lore you need to know is poorly documented and basically exists as oral history in #haskell <-- what about stackoverflow?
< 1347222624 701197 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah maybe
< 1347222752 805388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Should I do https://www.coursera.org/course/crypto ?
< 1347222766 308537 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1347222774 141723 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, why does  (!! 4) [0..10] work when the type is [a] -> Int -> a
< 1347222800 668287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(`operator` arg) = (\x -> x `operator` arg)
< 1347222803 491154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: (!! 4) is syntactical sugar for \x -> x !! 4
< 1347222830 317377 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, because !! is an infix operator
< 1347222834 84946 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1347222844 463842 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+ x) and (x +) are special syntactic forms
< 1347222847 326884 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for any infix operator +
< 1347222849 977465 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are called "sections"
< 1347222868 303309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_except_ - , for which (- x) doesn't work (it gives negation instead.
< 1347222870 49173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1347222879 954051 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (- 4)
< 1347222880 979252 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  -4
< 1347222908 62395 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :((-) 4)
< 1347222911 363168 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((-) 4)
< 1347222912 385794 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (t -> t)
< 1347222912 597074 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :   arising from a use of `...
< 1347222918 304576 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((-) 4) 4
< 1347222919 196206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0
< 1347222945 155687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could've picked *any* number other than 4 for the second argument...
< 1347222950 441430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((-) 4) 3
< 1347222951 578432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1347222957 639125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (4 -) 3
< 1347222958 567383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1347222960 864429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (subtract 4) 3
< 1347222962 18372 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  -1
< 1347222968 897837 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :() deinfixes
< 1347222971 325619 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you shouldn't actually try to learn from lambdabot
< 1347222979 894605 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it implements a bizarre variant of Haskell with a bunch of nonstandard definitions
< 1347222983 54742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: also shachaf's complaint and kmc's swearing above is because lambdabot has a special instance which makes it able to treat functions as numbers.  which means some of the examples work differently
< 1347222983 738490 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I mostly use ghci
< 1347222987 190594 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the amusement of the regulars in #haskell
< 1347222998 759475 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: stop making my point a half second before i finish it :)
< 1347223004 356371 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they find it entertaining to confuse beginners, or something
< 1347223010 225071 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What sort of function will it treat as a number?
< 1347223030 925168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think oerjan means "numbers as functions".
< 1347223034 206176 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :numeric literals in Haskell are overloaded
< 1347223038 376994 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 has type (Num a) => a
< 1347223045 992519 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can take on any type in the typeclass Num
< 1347223058 393877 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lambdabot has an instance (Num a) => Num (b -> a)
< 1347223072 638629 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 4 :: Char -> Int
< 1347223073 739284 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Char -> Int
< 1347223081 477525 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is equavalent to (const 4) i.e. \x -> 4
< 1347223082 790985 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well that would explain why the chatter count in haskell is about 950, c++ is about 650, and c is about 450 ... on freenode
< 1347223084 236268 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4 5
< 1347223085 280464 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4
< 1347223096 234736 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4 "sucks"
< 1347223097 128218 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4
< 1347223108 291924 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then addition is like (f + g) x = (f x) + (g x)
< 1347223109 316935 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :one could naively assume that haskell was the preferred language of freenode chatters
< 1347223110 381729 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so forth
< 1347223114 882197 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why?
< 1347223118 459003 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (4 + 5) "foo"
< 1347223119 320631 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  9
< 1347223120 681382 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: why which
< 1347223125 164111 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does lambdabot do that
< 1347223139 83546 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the regulars in #haskell find it amusing to play with these ideas
< 1347223149 379029 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really fair for me to say they find it amusing to confuse beginners
< 1347223153 282858 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it certainly does confuse beginners
< 1347223163 406805 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nobody much seems to care
< 1347223171 625173 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't beginners use ghci though =P
< 1347223171 643699 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell is full of people who talk past each other about what's the best way to teach Haskell
< 1347223175 240709 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You care, at least.
< 1347223176 948545 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing ever changes, nobody writes anything down
< 1347223186 553745 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but I quit #haskell
< 1347223193 330979 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after making some attempts to get people to fix things
< 1347223203 468494 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: a lot of them join #haskell for help
< 1347223207 868590 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i popped in just to check the count
< 1347223210 845166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yes, but sometimes beginners ask haskell questions in irc and then it's nice to have lambdabot to demonstrate
< 1347223211 16694 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then someone tries to use lambdabot to help them
< 1347223216 516134 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then lambdabot does something confusing
< 1347223227 140326 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and five people try to explain the confusing thing all at once
< 1347223227 300346 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :943 or so....  thats really quite a packed channel
< 1347223233 609372 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they start arguing about which explanation is better
< 1347223241 918607 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds funny
< 1347223244 828541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: you can check the count with /list #haskell
< 1347223246 903094 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But unhelpful
< 1347223250 258057 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm
< 1347223251 962104 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets old ;P
< 1347223316 10287 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, I did /list kmc and now it's listing all the channels
< 1347223336 602809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i guess /list can be a _little_ dangerous >:)
< 1347223353 463945 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I somehow didn't get flooded off by the /list
< 1347223396 586664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is possible freenode is a little more careful about sending /list responses
< 1347223481 244248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to me that it is simply ignoring the kmc argument, which seems singularly unhelpful
< 1347223535 6888 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoring the kmc argument, just like #haskell
< 1347223546 378705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!
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< 1347223701 747022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek lag
< 1347223806 717834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was a side effect of me using /rawquote, it disappeared when i did a /whois
< 1347223836 613645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, irssi registered lag but there wasn't _really_ any...)
< 1347223923 708259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no, it is happening again.  it's because /rawquote swallows pings
< 1347223973 57347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks /rawquote is wrong but can never remember the correct command to send things directly to the server from irssi (it is _not_ /raw)
< 1347224179 518545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347224186 252734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347224224 377050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so /rawquote swallowed a ping reply from the server, causing irssi to timeout :P
< 1347224246 586157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was /quote btw but i had to google it)
< 1347224257 505056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :irssi's help is _not_ good.
< 1347224280 819965 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so, have you? :)
< 1347224283 377558 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :#python has more users than #haskell curiously
< 1347224383 656719 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing
< 1347224383 675366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :I HAVE NOW | Official channel of ESME | ESME is the best programming language. Why have you abandoned ESME? | Do not fret, ESME can forgive you. Give yourself freely to ESME. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki
< 1347224435 912046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i notice ESME is not _actually_ all caps but it feels like it should be
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< 1347225143 923928 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fd-imaging.com/the-worlds-tiniest-tiff-image/
< 1347225196 694315 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1347225209 102791 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/teensy.html
< 1347225214 114556 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a classic
< 1347225218 936352 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-)
< 1347225343 182795 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, update
< 1347225351 731641 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And tswett
< 1347225360 533372 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sorry about not mentioning updates before
< 1347225427 81712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, good old sgeobot
< 1347225539 20568 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOST SHOCKING TWIST YET
< 1347226057 434513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :twisted elecric cords
< 1347226059 859593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+t
< 1347226067 41733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+h
< 1347226071 641260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no
< 1347226087 514428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-*+h
< 1347226413 573320 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B131C9B.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347226583 726005 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mgifos
< 1347226631 62502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least on my computer the command is /RAW to send directly to the server, it does no further processing and only sends it directly to server; if you want CRLF you have to add that yourself too. (If you don't want this then you don't use /RAW)
< 1347226711 744060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what they are in irssi and other programs.
< 1347226788 995261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think /raw is common, and it's annoying that irssi calls it something else
< 1347226812 578783 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :/quote in irssi
< 1347226819 981581 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does send the CRLF
< 1347226834 709892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: um yes it does.  /rawquote doesn't, however.
< 1347226852 367152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is how i got disconnected a while ago
< 1347226880 271082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so that is why it doesn't work.
< 1347226946 759325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically i got back the following answer after doing /rawquote help
< 1347226949 155647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:51 helpPING Unknown command
< 1347227062 759442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means irssi never got back an answer to its automatic PING, which means it timed out.  despite lots of other lines flowing back and forth.
< 1347227792 595249 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: My irssi doesn't have /rawquote
< 1347227801 169073 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure it's not part of a script
< 1347228086 919041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's listed with /help, but it has no help itself
< 1347228223 39152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We decided to remove /rawquote because it serves no purpose."
< 1347228246 243864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my irssi is a little old then
< 1347228280 473692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.8.12
< 1347228732 40789 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, so far this year, two IRC channels I'm in have experienced significant drama
< 1347228736 898271 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder when #esoteric's due
< 1347228750 673464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday.
< 1347228751 928820 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chokes
< 1347228762 865340 :impomatic!~digital_w@146.90.199.184 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347229000 988241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: sorry, not dramatic enough
< 1347229040 839406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chokes, then explodes
< 1347229059 605692 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks in this Sorcery Card game, you could instantly win if you are dealt the XXI XX XIX XVIII XVII XVI of trumps, since you can deal more damage than their starting hit points are.
< 1347229230 474212 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could evolve levels of a game with a fitness function that leads to the player having a certain amount of trouble, no more, no less.
< 1347229244 233671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try.
< 1347229258 458468 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such that as the player improves, the levels will on average get harder, and if the player starts slipping, they start getting easier.
< 1347229278 376799 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, since it's such a random walk, it's likely not going to feel like that over the short term
< 1347229286 90527 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like that; they should get harder by selecting a difficulty setting instead.
< 1347229306 942737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course one of the difficulty settings could be, automatic.)
< 1347229651 592971 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you are too fast to be dramatic! if i'm only choking there will be that long, painful time when i'm not dead yet but people feel helpless and don't know how to save me. besides, many people enjoy explosions, so where's the drama?
< 1347229746 188447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'sa gritty action-o-drama!
< 1347229869 557886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I wonder if you could evolve levels of a game with a fitness function that leads to the player having a certain amount of trouble, no more, no less. <-- i have a theory that's how the real world works.  also someone decrease my level _just_ a tad, please?
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< 1347231211 805043 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zra recursive acronym...
< 1347231718 908309 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking about evolution in gaming
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< 1347233582 383736 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Are you telling me you can build a time machine but you can't cook a cheese soufflé? You've got your priorities all wrong!
< 1347235031 123347 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something wrong with this?   x@(Surreal l _) <= y@(Surreal _ r) = null (filter (y <=) l) && null (filter (<= x) r);
< 1347235335 937594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs free.*applicative
< 1347235374 172510 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.23349
< 1347235463 298961 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347235504 1227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs free.*applicative
< 1347235519 519349 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.937
< 1347235532 741692 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you do that twice?
< 1347236620 694177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason the first link didn't load
< 1347236697 395665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: iirc that looks good
< 1347236765 316439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But it doesn't work. It compiles but it won't give the correct answer.
< 1347236779 412537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh?
< 1347236814 6198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well iirc x > y iff there exists something in l >= y or something in r <= x
< 1347236839 54008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems equivalent to what you wrote
< 1347236953 300547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what's your counterexample?
< 1347237051 455756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, nevermind it is working OK. The problem was the wrong addition.
< 1347237056 716052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1347237135 530283 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other problem was multiplication not being defined.
< 1347237140 327806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it works now.
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< 1347239384 815161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<**>)
< 1347239385 910964 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall (f :: * -> *) a b. (Applicative f) => f a -> f (a -> b) -> f b
< 1347239415 772653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarrrr
< 1347239415 944320 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Har de har har!
< 1347239894 786033 :impomatic!~digital_w@146.90.199.184 PART :#esoteric
< 1347242271 252338 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au NICK :halflife2
< 1347242375 95494 :halflife2!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au NICK :itidus21
< 1347243362 274351 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a bad sign that there's a wifi network called "Wecanseeyounaked"? 
< 1347243493 804762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, they can see everyone naked
< 1347243523 855531 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a cool superpower
< 1347243710 296133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also a "Booblies".
< 1347243720 939471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's some kind of a combination of boobies and lies.
< 1347244257 943801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1347247034 196279 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Curse your name not being actually kmc.
< 1347247060 42818 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw "Keegan McAllister" posting about taralli in my RSS reader, thought you should know about it, and then put two and two together.
< 1347247078 350640 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the answer?
< 1347247079 398585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :slavek kmc, the famous czech computer scientist
< 1347247135 211670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :disclaimer: m may not actually be a vowel in czech.  l and r are, however.
< 1347247346 347091 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are l and r pronounced in Czech?
< 1347247405 90035 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1347247551 105979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, usually normally, it's just that they can carry a syllable
< 1347247662 833826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strč prst skrz krk <- tongue twister
< 1347247994 291420 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ooc, why did you think of telling me about it
< 1347247999 449737 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it because i mentioned toroidal desktop here before?
< 1347248008 949946 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes.
< 1347248034 558004 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The thought was "Oh, that'd probably be much nicer for him than his current setup."
< 1347248053 547004 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed it is ;)
< 1347248093 128098 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :URL?
< 1347248108 696330 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2012/09/taralli-screen-edge-pointer-wrapping.html
< 1347248125 966920 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks
< 1347248421 385726 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tried it. You lose the display’s four sweet spots.
< 1347248504 445915 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning the points which are easy to hit?
< 1347248738 11686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i also thought a toroidal screen would make the edges harder to hit...
< 1347248762 387692 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it does
< 1347248788 278435 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think it's worth it, especially on a desktop 5000 pixels wide
< 1347248938 607811 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't need to hit edges that often
< 1347248971 206768 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mainly use the mouse for clicking stuff on web pages
< 1347248982 213549 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and copy-pasting text
< 1347249003 59130 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stuff at the edges of the screen  -- scroll bars and the browser tab bar -- i have keyboard shortcuts for
< 1347249086 818488 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying out Vimium now :)
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< 1347249159 97805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried a (also synergy-driven) wrapping desktop once, with a desktop 4544 pixels wide, but somehow could never (well, in the day or two I had it) learn to take the short way around.
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< 1347252359 179542 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Horse_ebooks tweet: "Awaken The Unused 98% Of Your Infinite"
< 1347252360 46203 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1347252373 555692 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm fine with the 2% of my infinite that I'm actually using.
< 1347252386 928444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1347252391 281744 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's still perfectly nice and infinite.
< 1347252405 403823 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2% of infinity is quite impressive still.
< 1347252419 743456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah caring about the difference is a cardinal sin
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< 1347252860 33195 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :womp womp
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< 1347256985 254495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :2% of infinite is still infinite (but depending on what kind of infinite number systems is being used, it might be less).
< 1347257606 775178 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only assume that tswett learned of horse_ebooks because Hussie.
< 1347257922 347990 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: So we punned.
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< 1347258945 298727 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : What is a good simple pseudorandom number generator...
< 1347258947 464007 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if the PRNG doesn't have to be very secure, just use a LFSR
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< 1347261164 382545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Finalize monad must have a use in category theory in general?
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< 1347264066 536580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Isn't it kind of bad that taralli breaks the well-known consequence of Fitts's Law, in that it removes the ideal locations of the edges and esp. corners of the screen?
< 1347264788 654631 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some idea: I once read somewhere someone had a computer program on punched cards and the customs agent took some of the cards. My idea is program (or programming language) that you can shuffle the cards and take out up to 10% and the program still works.
< 1347264985 142684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I didn't see taralli.
< 1347265001 300450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will try it.
< 1347265017 729814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude, this is weird.
< 1347265223 124946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It segfaults if you don't run it under X. :-(
< 1347265407 478114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: But can this PRNG be used for easily shuffling a deck of cards, and are most permutations possible?
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< 1347265880 858062 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :One could use arcfour-N to generate permutations
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< 1347269034 844781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are you sure you should check event.xcookie.type == GenericEvent?
< 1347269039 238374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As opposed to event.type.)
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< 1347270481 709305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is there a reason you do all the work to check for a RawMotion event? As far as I can tell the program gets no other events, and doing extra wrapping probably isn't harmful anyway.
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< 1347272136 60335 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: theres 2 possible approaches i can think of.. one is to say order doesn't matter... another is to have a means of re-sorting the cards when necessary
< 1347272222 150920 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part about being able to remove 10% of the cards sounds more tricky
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< 1347277757 47413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott 04:41  shachaf: Okay, so you want Nothing returned when neither modifies either to indicated that the compound didn't modify anything.
< 1347277757 66448 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347277766 920218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott (It made perfect sense in context!)
< 1347277766 939211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
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< 1347278477 674981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anarchy's beginning to look more like a real language now
< 1347278487 150189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though all I'm doing is tweaking the spec to avoid warts
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< 1347279015 833198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and writing the grammar to type correctly
< 1347279247 727588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one interesting feature that came about is that functions have something of a "natural parameter order"
< 1347279271 925803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. strchr needle haystack has a somewhat cleaner implementation than strchr haystack needle
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< 1347282280 453148 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: quite indirectly, yeah.
< 1347282292 659077 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :horse_ebooks via Robert J! Lake via Solatrus via the Bandcamp page.
< 1347283089 822372 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4180 * 24
< 1347283090 834106 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  100320
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< 1347290597 705036 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear, on any other programming website
< 1347290613 184783 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That which a Truth-machine is designed to showcase would be a given
< 1347290915 344636 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :???
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< 1347292583 372115 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, it's not possible to write a truth-machine in Chef?
< 1347292614 170900 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently output is only possible once the program has terminated... which it doesn't in case of an infinite loop
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< 1347295148 339607 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, Truth-machine
< 1347295214 895794 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: what did you mean "That which a Truth-machine is designed to showcase would be a given"?
< 1347295225 624541 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably
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< 1347299408 330914 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my, they made the intro theme worse in season 3
< 1347299418 492910 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, to what?
< 1347299420 405696 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Red Dwarf?
< 1347299423 610129 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: enterprise
< 1347299434 203236 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a season 3?
< 1347299435 397631 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY HAVE?
< 1347299520 766411 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they added some cheesy backing track, I suppose they intended to make it "fuller" or something but it sounds more like they found the make-a-beat button on the keyboard
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< 1347302480 935774 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also changed the theme tune to Thomas the Tank Engine, fwiw
< 1347302484 824271 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they made it CGI
< 1347302603 180307 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember enterprise ever switching to the Thomes the Tank Engine theme
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< 1347303102 584453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : @ask elliott (It made perfect sense in context!) <-- if you say so.
< 1347303212 652 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I watched thomas the tank engine in english when I was a kid or if it was translated ... can't remember what it was called in swedish though
< 1347303230 693277 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I watched it in English
< 1347303252 787645 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's amazing
< 1347303263 515571 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also watched it in England
< 1347303285 199161 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the latter rather accounts for the former
< 1347303316 549195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "lokomotivet thomas" in norwegian, anyway
< 1347303322 423096 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Finnish, the show is called Tuomas-veturi.
< 1347303394 233443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexham = helsinki, by a symmetry which switches finnish and english.
< 1347303438 7183 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham also has a very poor to nonexistent underground/light railway
< 1347303458 449463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1347303501 278999 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"underground railway" makes me think of a subculture of railway enthusiasts running an illegal private railway
< 1347303559 848916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to like london, back when it was underground
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< 1347303999 256334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I never watched it at all.
< 1347304108 170634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1347304113 583494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm not sure if i have)
< 1347304192 586740 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking
< 1347304201 604975 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched some on youtube this year
< 1347304219 612497 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you make of it?
< 1347304243 148757 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i was aware of it before... but...
< 1347304279 706672 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'm not all that fond of the political philosophies espoused by any shows about workers having to work
< 1347304312 839273 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhh...  
< 1347304356 356680 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is it has ringo, it has trains, and it has cool landscapes
< 1347304383 4073 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what do you think of El Nombre?
< 1347304383 824606 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and perhaps a world first, anthropomorphic trains
< 1347304394 141570 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading a thing about how Thomas the Tank Engine espoused the Blairite work ethic
< 1347304408 934514 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I was really young at the time and I was more confused than anything else.
< 1347304418 659139 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's based on a book! It's very pre-Blair!
< 1347304426 168105 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: thats good... i didnt just imagine it!
< 1347304449 829487 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347304513 791621 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had 7 or 8 books before Tony Blair was born!
< 1347304530 573003 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Blairite work eithic espoused Thomas the Tank Engine
< 1347304556 146581 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh darn
< 1347304563 662348 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ethic
< 1347304592 923771 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason i read blair as thatcher
< 1347304645 343271 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1347304667 145101 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway though.. i always say stupid things like that...
< 1347304676 735233 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i like thomas the tank engine
< 1347304708 486378 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do i ...
< 1347304737 496509 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway... a show which is good is the live action animated version of the wind in the willows
< 1347304769 1959 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like these anthropomorphic animal based shows
< 1347304833 258066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is today's http://www.mezzacotta.net/garfield/ nothing more than a typo correction?
< 1347304895 459578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next up: günther the gas chamber
< 1347304935 508665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-h, maybe.
< 1347304945 86562 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with h
< 1347304947 589882 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :---
< 1347304956 537380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1347304958 469714 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit my macro
< 1347304972 443806 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :---##
< 1347304977 924631 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347305024 29617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it can be either
< 1347305072 632503 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347305152 917736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: seen kmc
< 1347305165 847645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: occasionally
< 1347305181 697332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You're not a very useful bot. :-(
< 1347305187 955145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say
< 1347305195 670166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't?
< 1347305197 548829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my specialty is puns, not information
< 1347305203 838641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1347305206 429955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I have a pun?
< 1347305213 736368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek
< 1347305230 296047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347305230 466830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's no good either. :-(
< 1347305238 499927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Tell me a pun.
< 1347305247 406630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just too puny
< 1347305247 745192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No.
< 1347305248 943412 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fresh baked puns can't be just served up
< 1347305272 261069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Want to hear the best joke in the world?
< 1347305277 937665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a category has more than one final object, or more than one initial object, are they isomorphic?
< 1347305279 640710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1347305281 174418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: Where does a general keep his armies?
< 1347305295 431586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A: In his sleevies!
< 1347305307 828323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's not a pun
< 1347305313 626566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know.
< 1347305315 369301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, yes.
< 1347305323 566486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already said no I won't tell you a pun, please.
< 1347305374 933856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there is exactly one morphism each way, and their compositions must be the identities
< 1347305398 776162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is what I thought.
< 1347305432 1710 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when category theory is all worked out, our descendants will evolve new levels of conciousness with which they must solve greater and greater riddles.... and the accomplishments of humans in what we currently call 2012 won't seem very helpful except in a retro kind of way
< 1347305529 252102 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no very helpful except in a retro kind of way you say
< 1347305556 488663 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh look, they used their bodies to think. how quaint"
< 1347305568 480845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep getting this feeling that itidus21 says things that _might_ be true, but which there's nearly no evidence for
< 1347305572 236207 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1347305591 151547 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347305599 552125 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyting i thought i'messed. my body is working the things out
< 1347305624 300288 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that might be true in the same sense that random sentences from fungot might be true?
< 1347305624 812088 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :without any active control of my mind
< 1347305625 464242 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: my understanding is an fsa two counters ( bignums), rationals or complex numbers? ( credit card numbers?)
< 1347305638 715576 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i every smile i thought of was a fake smile
< 1347305640 676142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: maybe slightly more coherent
< 1347305642 417087 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just see my random posts as a kind of venting i can't help myself but blurt out...
< 1347305650 888582 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah
< 1347305654 486911 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its tied in with the anxiety thing
< 1347305679 684641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: btw heard it before
< 1347305680 796249 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.175 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347305702 327988 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: none of thats true etc..
< 1347305704 77266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Doesn't stop it from being the best joke in the world!
< 1347305716 214546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Though, you know: The beauty of the pun is in the Oy of the beholder.
< 1347305738 652539 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i misread
< 1347305752 625551 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay if there is nothing between true and false it is not true
< 1347305758 428031 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1347305792 169907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: regarding category theory, i have this feeling there is a whole world of things going on in algebraic geometry that are immensely powerful yet so abstract that i could never hope to understand them.  and i have a math doctorate!
< 1347305793 362064 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i am trying to avoid thinking about things myself
< 1347305793 907877 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats y i don't like digital media :P
< 1347305812 154541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any idea that things will ever be all worked out is naive, i think
< 1347305815 392277 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its all due to anxiety
< 1347305825 561490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even without considering godel and turing)
< 1347305831 578541 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the same reason i cant sit there and read a book..... 
< 1347305847 336067 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant even sit there and  think
< 1347305847 675654 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Togliatti surface is an algebraic surface of degree five: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Togliatti_surface.png
< 1347305883 783644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't just sit there and read a book, or sit there and think, either; to read much of a book I prefer to lie down.
< 1347305892 70983 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so rather than think about things, i just blurt them out
< 1347305894 983862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For thinking it is various; sometimes walking around
< 1347305906 950313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I am lying down or sleeping
< 1347305913 69306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes sit down.
< 1347305968 307184 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea
< 1347305988 918816 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seen zzo38 seen
< 1347306047 443913 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes by writing.
< 1347306064 622843 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I am think about things by writing it is often not clear to anyone else, what it is for.
< 1347306146 988120 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to think by writing
< 1347306162 816275 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I try to think by thinking I usually only achieve the illusion of thinking
< 1347306168 238538 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1347306184 279577 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :absent-mindedness is concentration on sth else
< 1347306195 275542 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.175 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347306206 801403 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :meditation is supposed to be able to help you think by thinking
< 1347306219 54965 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think
< 1347306237 554766 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait..don't we have to stop thinking during such a session?
< 1347306245 651043 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean im not a guru
< 1347306251 536945 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in today's episode of Enterprise: vulcan zombies
< 1347306253 913367 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither am i
< 1347306254 85382 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, do we call them chairs because we sit on them, or do we sit on them because they are called chairs?
< 1347306282 675700 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We call them chairs because that is the word for them, I think. Isn't it?
< 1347306295 821956 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they chairs are chairs as long as we _think_ of them as chairs and not tables
< 1347306299 352613 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: we sit on chairs mostly to conform with  social conventions
< 1347306305 799724 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or fireplaces
< 1347306328 640484 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then the question turns to why social conventions converge on chairs
< 1347306336 20439 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :we sit on chairs because our floors are improperly heated
< 1347306341 519478 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not really social.. its just functional
< 1347306365 975469 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid chaos everyone has to agree what is a chair
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< 1347306383 629539 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's play #esoteric-chairs
< 1347306462 719351 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually did put "some" thought into this once, 
< 1347306478 844556 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :just not enough to matter
< 1347306500 58246 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :into the definition of chair?
< 1347306513 862545 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what to quite call it
< 1347306524 633759 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.. into the hell of a chair!
< 1347306537 905255 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks quizzical.
< 1347306553 886356 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the doors of perception are cleansed everythings appears to man as it is infinite
< 1347306561 88026 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can throw a few more words in to show how the ideas were forming to me
< 1347306564 403250 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is less then 1 i guess
< 1347306583 177434 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :psychogeography.. i was wondering what that infact was... parkour.. drifters..
< 1347306615 961660 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and from my bookmarks i see the words derive and flaneur
< 1347306704 270699 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt quite figure out whatever it was i was trying to figure out
< 1347306713 309318 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, combining parkour and flaneur sounds interesting
< 1347306851 226198 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. a slow walking kind of parkour, I imagine it would be very fluid and graceful and involve monocles
< 1347306965 71361 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds hilarious
< 1347306970 868009 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pythonesque, almost
< 1347306990 647872 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The flâneur and the traceur (a parkour practitioner) both have their origins in Paris. In the nineteenth century the flâneur walked the city in order to experience it and over 150 years later traceurs in the Parisian suburbs found new ways of moving through the very same spaces."
< 1347306992 607018 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just imagine people in monocles slowly walking up a wall and down the other side
< 1347306998 992850 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the time for the flaneurtraceur is nigh
< 1347307075 995469 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure joy
< 1347307288 564467 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :walking the walls up and down is a small time. but no clue where to get a monocle at this time
< 1347307324 813608 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy a cheap pair of glasses and snap them in two
< 1347307330 506209 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And tie a cord to it
< 1347307335 394648 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was hopping around wiki at that time
< 1347307438 564103 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the general question, applied back to chairs i guess was, if you choose to ignore knowing that such things are chairs and you can sit on them, are there new ways you can define the environment and the ways you move around it
< 1347307496 731513 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that sentence was quite long winded
< 1347307498 635826 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is: you would surely place your ass on it to sit down, even without knowing it is a chair
< 1347307516 928100 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we don't have to agree to it beeing a chair
< 1347307535 68366 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not a social convention
< 1347307548 478186 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a social convention wp
< 1347307574 71645 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be not to piss on a grave
< 1347307579 720348 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example
< 1347307598 741086 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok heres a specific example. in  a restaurant its not ok to sit on the table
< 1347307613 815209 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although some gravestones would make perfect toilets)
< 1347307630 673358 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a social convention yes
< 1347307640 490925 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if i can trust tv which i can't, if a woman sits on your desk she is flirting
< 1347307645 646942 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but o dont think this leads us anywhere
< 1347307662 260829 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the table could be a chair....
< 1347307667 690829 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no way leads any where
< 1347307676 937096 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one way is the way with heart
< 1347307680 762903 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other is not
< 1347307718 545590 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :although both lead nowhere
< 1347307727 514072 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;)
< 1347307768 792665 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that the table is there for a reason too
< 1347307775 484928 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was forgetting that
< 1347307820 7146 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're looking for things not having any purpose: y don't take a i-pad
< 1347307832 235708 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1347307848 180189 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay..you can sit on it
< 1347307929 506104 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :another thought i had was whether theres things humans can do which we just havent thought of
< 1347308024 91815 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a certain scale the body is mostly muscles and bones, and.. presumably each joint gets used regularly
< 1347308055 840372 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems unlikely that there is much more we can do with it
< 1347308077 777760 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can get some banana
< 1347308081 702954 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think parkour does challenge this a bit
< 1347308119 620684 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some circus performers can do some amazing things
< 1347308208 869471 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :brachiation!
< 1347308322 603448 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then theres the fun which can be had with machines
< 1347308547 770618 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :roller skates, skateboards, pogosticks, bicycles, unicycles, stilts, grappling hooks, segways, elevators, escalators
< 1347308550 404019 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :The plural of ski is either ski or skis. Frequently the plural is erroneously written skiis, owing no doubt to the fact that the double i occurs in skiing, the present participial form.
< 1347308557 599837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically there are professions whose _job_ it is to find out such things, which means it's unlikely to have been ignored for not looking...
< 1347308642 935190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm in norwegian the plural is ski, although it's not a neuter noun (which would have made it regular.)
< 1347308678 29707 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had to google it cos skis just seems so weird
< 1347308801 764006 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all atriq's fault for asking me a question about chairs
< 1347308811 752569 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the 8 esolangs I have created
< 1347308816 930423 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 are imperative
< 1347308820 475603 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 are functional
< 1347308830 475510 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the remaining 1 is string-rewriting
< 1347308835 821280 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not actually that esoteric
< 1347308859 873999 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say it's about as esoteric as Thue
< 1347308964 422381 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for me, the interest is not in actually moving about in the environment, but in video gaming
< 1347309013 754640 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fueue and Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download are my two favourite esolangs I have created
< 1347309057 557102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: but then why restrict to what can be done with a body? >:)
< 1347309144 523338 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe because of piracy is killing intellectual property rights
< 1347309170 608214 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if anyone's talking at eachother or if we're just talking
< 1347309269 445462 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well real fast nora's hair salon 3 sounds interesting
< 1347309310 427344 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a functional programming language with the same motivation as BIT
< 1347309353 601494 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably find food to eat
< 1347309360 53576 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than pretending that food is optional
< 1347309400 262952 :augur!~augur@206.196.186.175 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347309421 709536 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an example.. (better math notation skills would be handy here.. ) given  (x,y) then (x(succ),y) and (x(pred),y) mean walking right and left respectively
< 1347309425 889862 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i have this right? :D
< 1347309470 137927 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so
< 1347309478 441388 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't handle collisions at all, though
< 1347309481 586127 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. the verb walking
< 1347309485 429244 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And assumes distances are discrete
< 1347309522 601779 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is hard to avoid in a video game
< 1347309578 218264 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it look so elegant expressed that way though ... 
< 1347309616 767883 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason
< 1347309661 848250 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess its the same as (x+1,y) and (x-1,y)
< 1347309662 189497 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x,y) -> (x++, y), (x--, y)
< 1347309813 968006 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's goodnight from me!
< 1347309816 734164 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight!
< 1347309817 928733 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-84-46.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1347309840 776545 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i have thought about this a bit
< 1347309857 279878 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@  itidus21: but then why restrict to what can be done with a body? >:)
< 1347309882 751020 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only i did something eh
< 1347309993 282777 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347310257 757867 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, the question of why things in a computer are modelled upon things in real life
< 1347310376 569595 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at some windows apps, many things have an analogy to real life.. notepad, calculator, paint(like a canvas), folders, 
< 1347310502 153769 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that is because if they wouldn't reflect the (actual state of) ideas of this world, we weren't even able to realize and abstract their patterns
< 1347310555 251022 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that just like how given (x,y) -> (x+c,y) where c != 0 inevitably coincides with  walking... an array of values displayed as colours whereby we can change the values of those colours inevitably coincides with a canvas
< 1347310627 890229 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw i don't really know what the -> there means :D
< 1347310629 724968 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thats ok
< 1347310648 462541 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know its something to do with it being a function
< 1347310674 560095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\(x,y) -> (x+c,y)) (a,b)
< 1347310675 536065 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  (a + c,b)
< 1347310745 361022 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1347310767 387895 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your game is almost done
< 1347310841 998832 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything big starts small
< 1347310848 525538 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the universe..so they say
< 1347310952 105353 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds to the "things to do when I have enough savings to buy a time machine" : check if the universe was really small at some point
< 1347311157 933365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can anyone have enough savings to buy a time machine, if the price is infinite?
< 1347311249 719644 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :since my thought process isnt always clear, whats fascinating to me about such things is that, given a coordinate, any change to the coordinate is motion, any absence of changes to the coordinate is stasis
< 1347311254 922050 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I expect my future self to come with a solution and bring it to me
< 1347311290 668926 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant quite explain why such things are puzzling to me
< 1347311296 590653 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347311318 818297 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that it involves no work on my part to make changes to coordinates mean motion
< 1347311344 190995 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347311372 171943 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347311372 812535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: just be careful not to accidentally become the small thing the universe grew from
< 1347311422 47143 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well *that* would be rewarding
< 1347311441 978452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps, but also likely fatal
< 1347311484 363605 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that would be a much more ironical way of dying than, say, a cancer or a car accident
< 1347311488 595228 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it takes no work on my part to make changes to an array of color values mean painting on a canvas
< 1347311529 829653 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, "you used a self-generation time travel paradox to invent a time machine, and then the same paradox happened to create the universe (by killing you)"
< 1347311580 953656 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. coordinates and color values are ways of treating numbers.... but i don't know what that means
< 1347311584 452163 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, if that's what happened and I don't fulfill my destiny, then isn't there a risk that the universe suddenly cease to exist?
< 1347311599 496951 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think thats where the work comes in
< 1347311618 791491 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :defining coordinates and colours
< 1347311645 720683 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> type coordinates = int * int
< 1347311646 652130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  : parse error on input `type'
< 1347311652 146894 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1347311701 257521 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm
< 1347311723 665550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the only universes which exist are those in which such an extremely unlikely paradox happened.
< 1347311727 340550 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, as its part you cannot dispatch this monad
< 1347311730 761911 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Arc_Koen adds to the "things to do when I have enough savings to buy a time machine" : check if the universe was really small at some point
< 1347311752 692633 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finding that out is equivalent to checking if it's finite at all.
< 1347311764 157347 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It probably isn't.)
< 1347311804 806541 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean like some kind of "until you look at it it's much more complex"ish quantum thing?
< 1347311828 572649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd imagine that if the proliferating universes theory is correct, then each sub-universe, being created by one particular incident, is likely finite
< 1347311843 891624 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least its much more simple until the mathematics look at it
< 1347311850 389580 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :proliferating? as in breeding?
< 1347311903 278760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.
< 1347311919 852555 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe and if the universe is goin all possible ways any time.. a vast amount of universes exits.. yes all of them
< 1347311925 857019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one theory is that every black hole created in this universe creates a new one in its singularity
< 1347311963 468348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although because of time dilation, the new one is past the end of ours
< 1347311965 345295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1347312037 813615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's something else about universes created by colliding branes
< 1347312046 578291 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so given two octets, i can mean a coordinate (x,y) with 65536 unique positions, or a very small canvas with 256 unique colours per pixel, or i can mean two ascii text characters.. 
< 1347312077 941701 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be kind of depressing. instead of having a god or something of the like above us, we might have spawned between two molecules of a bottle of beer from a bigger universe :(
< 1347312081 317074 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these all seem to be total functions (of course i am rambling and i dont know what the words im using really quite mean)
< 1347312133 59258 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one theory is that every black hole created in this universe creates a new one in its singularity <-- yes like that one. singularity goes a long way ;)
< 1347312140 742240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how beer got mentioned in this
< 1347312284 44993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: everything is encoded as something else, until you reach bits, and then you get to build those out of physical components, which are "encoded" with quantum particles.
< 1347312284 899188 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, when I look at the landscape aroung my house and how it is very different in the day and in the night, but always so beautiful, and all that is caused by a star in the sky... that's how I like my universe
< 1347312339 581811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and encoding things as something else is the basic trick to proving languages turing-complete...
< 1347312345 759160 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to check out this stellarium app (you may know it) i realized how fast the we're turning on earth. had some hard time to focus on beteigeuze while not paused
< 1347312386 173624 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah they had this question "what would happen if the earth stopped spinning all of a sudden"
< 1347312394 125276 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never had a chance to use a real telescope
< 1347312478 33033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think nothing much immediately; then our magnetic field would disappear; then our atmosphere.
< 1347312479 433565 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i will go and get one, after i've studied the sky virtually for some time
< 1347312508 293200 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think the conclusion was "everything would get sublimated, including the earth's mantel"
< 1347312517 153547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat
< 1347312532 350332 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the magnetic sphere is created by the fluid (turning) part of the core.. thats true
< 1347312557 156133 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can anyone tell me why the earth is that hot inside?
< 1347312564 626516 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as they say
< 1347312569 903557 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still that hot?
< 1347312582 484487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are far too many google hits for this question :P
< 1347312616 202197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: i've read that it's about half leftover heat from its creation, half radioactive isotopes
< 1347312630 443650 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea. and thats a poor explanation
< 1347312649 213529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1347312670 939980 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard a theory at last.. quite interesting. an underdog.
< 1347312705 545231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1347312708 139364 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he talked about the small interaction of .. cmon which particle was it
< 1347312720 486508 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :leptons?
< 1347312730 693411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :neutrinos?
< 1347312740 248583 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. i think neutrinos!
< 1347312745 472496 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right
< 1347312758 875898 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was too obvious :(
< 1347312762 20343 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was about neutrinos heating up the earth
< 1347312770 885411 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and neutrino as a power source
< 1347312806 84463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it was dark matter.  i saw there was a theory that there might be places with enough of it to keep planets livable without stars
< 1347312814 201703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other day
< 1347312831 665036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: i'm pretty sure they've calculated that to be insignificant.
< 1347312889 203560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc a neutrino passing through a light year of lead has about 50% chance of being absorbed.
< 1347312913 567290 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes hes theory was _based_ on that fact
< 1347312926 168461 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are the rest of themß
< 1347312932 179904 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a light year of lead sounds like it might collapse into a black hole or something
< 1347312940 692187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...they're going straight _through_, duh
< 1347312970 142547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah yeah.  although it doesn't have to be thick in the other directions...
< 1347312986 591331 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how thin would it have to be not to collapse into a black hole?
< 1347312991 528259 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or maybe it was dark matter.  i saw there was a theory that there might be places with enough of it to keep planets livable without stars
< 1347313015 530183 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gist of the theory is that dark matter could be made up of particles that are their own antiparticles and so annihilate with themselves.
< 1347313046 162280 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they'd gather in large gravity wells and provide heat through annihilation.
< 1347313078 47139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: anyway surely someone has calculated how much uranium etc. is needed to keep the earth hot and found it not to be unreasonable.
< 1347313092 476354 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ooh, I totally know this but I forget exactly what it is.
< 1347313096 777740 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that thin though.
< 1347313109 941349 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: cool
< 1347313114 33791 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think about it: near the middle, the lead's being pulled in both directions equally.
< 1347313137 336863 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the bits compressing it would mostly be at the end.
< 1347313152 559001 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH it would still flow into a sphere pretty quickly.
< 1347313170 798962 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easily belived they already found an answer. but i'm sure there is somthing more to be known. and it's worth further investigation
< 1347313196 860903 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There probably is, but not by you or any of your friends.
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< 1347313236 856369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what is known is that _very_ few neutrinos interact with the matter in our neutrino detectors.  which means our earth would have to contain something that absorbed neutrinos better than ordinary matter in order to get any significant heating.
< 1347313313 999800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there isn't any reason to believe the matter inside earth is _that_ different, is there...
< 1347313322 428818 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hä? do you know the amount of neutrino passing the earth? and the power of 50% NOT going through? no? me neither
< 1347313325 892973 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if its that
< 1347313330 411128 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont have the numbers
< 1347313343 35722 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can only recall parts of his argumentation
< 1347313354 631486 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to read more.. go and find some sources on thr
< 1347313378 266127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: um the earth isn't 1 light year in diameter.  it is about 1/20 light second.
< 1347313406 996283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink (40000 km / pi) -> light seconds
< 1347313426 744720 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.042470699671009158153
< 1347313501 189368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.5**(0.04247 / (365.2425*86400))
< 1347313502 753673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  0.9999999990671482
< 1347313543 536290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1-0.9999999990671482
< 1347313544 462980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  9.328517958095972e-10
< 1347313585 120885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about a billionth of the neutrons passing through the earth in the middle might be absorbed, if it were made of lead.
< 1347313723 53618 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay. so how much energy would that be in kJ? do we know how much energy/mass a neutrino has?
< 1347313909 450887 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : h? do you know the amount of neutrino passing the earth? and the power of 50% NOT going through? no? me neither
< 1347313942 514398 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Yes I do.
< 1347313984 405981 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :share it with me and my friends. please.
< 1347313994 901586 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A single solar neutrino has an energy on the order of 100keV-1MeV.
< 1347314013 434598 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thats fuck of a lot
< 1347314017 602865 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt it
< 1347314020 959189 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, no it isn't.
< 1347314032 410890 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what's Frink for 'in '
< 1347314053 343995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: see above :P
< 1347314067 930944 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 1.6 ten-trillionths of a Joule.
< 1347314072 749561 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1347314083 259044 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 MeV -> joules
< 1347314094 722860 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.602176487000000e-13
< 1347314109 290203 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile, 6.5e10 of those pass through the Earth at any given time.
< 1347314117 741012 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So taking the average and multiplying:
< 1347314145 217697 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 450keV * 6.5e10 -> joules
< 1347314155 133092 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.004686366224475
< 1347314165 882458 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg
< 1347314232 298355 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... what is that, the kinetic energy of a paperclip held by someone on a walk?
< 1347314243 172136 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and that's per second.
< 1347314279 131897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION always approves of other people doing the work for him
< 1347314301 601494 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I don't know offhand what the radiative heat losses of Earth are, nor what proportion of that balances heat from the core, but I'm willing to bet that both are far, far, far, far more than 4 millijoules.
< 1347314311 923078 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*4 milliwats
< 1347314314 827818 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*watts
< 1347314316 363795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tip: volcanos
< 1347314332 333512 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :(
< 1347314348 451159 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want the radioactive theory to be approved .. please!
< 1347314352 108611 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1347314352 992682 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd, oh, also, the way I got that highly technical data? Wikipedia.
< 1347314366 225745 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe your friend should check it before trying to do science.
< 1347314403 520321 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop talking about my friends casper
< 1347314426 847790 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to point out the fact the reason for the hot earth is not finally clear
< 1347314452 239340 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? And why would that be?
< 1347314454 691070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he may have seen the movie 2012, the top google hit for "neutrinos heating earth's core" is http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2009/11/13/in-2012-neutrinos-melt-earths-core-and-other-disasters/
< 1347314477 654753 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds about right for hagb4rd's level of scientific expertise.
< 1347314534 460851 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 0.004 mW * 60s * 60 * 24 * 365.24 * 4.5e9
< 1347314544 892508 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.68021248000e+11 m^2 s^-2 kg (energy)
< 1347314545 63328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: fortunately they have plans for how to measure the amount of radioactivity in the earth's core, so they should be able to make it clear.  guess how they'll measure it?  with neutrinos.
< 1347314563 702354 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :)
< 1347314591 256834 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that'd only measure beta decays?
< 1347314596 547517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :beta radiation comes with neutrinos, you see.
< 1347314609 254462 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1347314611 553932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: well ok may be exaggerating slightly for dramatic effect.
< 1347314631 566125 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How're they planning to detect alpha decay?
< 1347314633 441294 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes me recapitulate the first round
< 1347314650 424600 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe its not the power of the neutrino
< 1347314656 458697 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the side effect
< 1347314667 760380 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to watch this over again
< 1347314680 63078 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we'll speak again
< 1347314704 951042 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :protip: 2012 is not scientifically accurate
< 1347314711 582421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: well ok but that's how _ordinary_ beta radiation works.  and most of the neutrinos get away from the earth, so it will be a tiny fraction of the heating that's due to them.
< 1347314717 944788 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut the fuck up hoover
< 1347314725 728956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see paperclip above)
< 1347314780 960353 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd, I'm just trying to help.
< 1347314803 201507 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the neutrino doesn't have a side effect, it's the side effect of beta decay.
< 1347314838 5486 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you talk as you would know every fact on this material.. ignoring the armies of true scientist gathering to capture just one of them to prove their mathematical disaster they have constructed
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< 1347314881 912002 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to get rid of it
< 1347314910 70969 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've captured plenty of neutrinos, mate.
< 1347314924 296834 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did you think those massive detectors were just for show?
< 1347314938 220195 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you think they got the energies without capturing some?
< 1347314944 814456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's not quite 50% residue
< 1347314947 958044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Earth's internal heat comes from a combination of residual heat from planetary accretion (about 20%) and heat produced through radioactive decay (80%)"
< 1347314950 145300 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you think they know they exist.
< 1347314957 900930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_gradient
< 1347314987 802934 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is about higgs? do they got one?
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< 1347314999 360615 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a box? No.
< 1347315001 183101 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is dark matter? what is matter?
< 1347315008 962870 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are tables, man
< 1347315009 511962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: your "you talk" comment looks distinctly crackpot, i hope you didn't write it yourself.
< 1347315061 721795 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was pointed to hover
< 1347315066 398132 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it
< 1347315074 260218 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however
< 1347315078 291924 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im disgusted
< 1347315083 692948 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well done
< 1347315096 600667 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1347315125 484523 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you mean to type all of those into 5 different tabs
< 1347315135 208919 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they make no sense whatsoever when taken together.
< 1347315149 699626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he _is_ disgusted.
< 1347315199 593314 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347315205 194462 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i can tell some really stupid argument is going on
< 1347315205 231996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1347315216 784652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am here to laugh at whoever is stupider but am too tired to tell which side that is
< 1347315217 806816 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it got so stupid i think hagb4rd's brain died
< 1347315219 510085 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: help me out
< 1347315227 610031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Laugh at me instead.
< 1347315227 782408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: sorry for insulting you.  i don't think neutrinos are among the things that are still in doubt in physics, however.  they were detected decades ago.
< 1347315239 736129 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i never noticed oerjan uses two spaces after dots
< 1347315242 54317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neutrinos are faked by NASA.
< 1347315242 907632 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it only when you're being serious
< 1347315247 671514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of their _properties_ still are, of course.
< 1347315260 329589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the property of existence!
< 1347315261 560560 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however. yes.
< 1347315273 501830 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never said they were not discovered
< 1347315275 207480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If neutrinos are real how come there are still photons.
< 1347315282 924032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i use little punctuation when not serious i guess :P
< 1347315303 666315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf -----###
< 1347315305 243096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how hard will i get kicked if i add a quote
< 1347315310 6366 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-123-15.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1347315318 512152 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because when he was young they used typewriters for irc
< 1347315320 124063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not very hard.  there might be some swatting.
< 1347315327 787484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1347315341 130522 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the great thing about this channel
< 1347315346 71107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is practically impossible to ever get kicked from it
< 1347315351 411651 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also the terrible thing about this channel
< 1347315366 840482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry
< 1347315368 542870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made an error
< 1347315372 245373 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the terrible thing about this channel is oerjan
< 1347315372 452044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: help me out <-- but for once i _am_ on one of the sides :/
< 1347315376 276194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BURN!!! !! ! ! !!
< 1347315383 313964 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you can get kicked quite easily if you try to get someone kicked who should be
< 1347315389 846107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan come on
< 1347315393 158713 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was worth at least a kick
< 1347315402 121335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: KICK ME
< 1347315412 850661 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1347315413 12620 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to work for your punishment, shachaf
< 1347315414 926614 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get in line
< 1347315446 478064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is part of the neutrino conspiracy.
< 1347315449 822637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is suddenly imagining shachaf as something from a lewis carroll book
< 1347315450 174470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why he won't kick me.
< 1347315467 995794 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: which side are you on
< 1347315468 23732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF U BELIEVE IN NEUTRINOS U MUST KICK ME :"(
< 1347315472 780686 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what is the argument actually
< 1347315485 484896 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just went "oh i should do my daily glancing at #esoteric logs to see how terrible the channel has become" and woah
< 1347315504 377200 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: btw you have an extra _
< 1347315507 745343 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1347315516 54920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you see my @tells?
< 1347315522 141515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that sentence great?
< 1347315522 180077 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rebooted and freenode didn't disconnect me fast enough
< 1347315526 27971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: whether neutrinos have any significant part in the heating of earth's interior.
< 1347315529 996371 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_Hoover
< 1347315530 14865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I still want an answer to my question.
< 1347315530 169435 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's a pretty good sentence
< 1347315541 309704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's way too much science for me
< 1347315543 245198 :myndzi!~myndzi@71-35-133-36.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347315551 305539 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there were numbers too
< 1347315555 990145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck numbers
< 1347315556 236204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1347315558 833554 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd probably scare you
< 1347315559 173009 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are they even for
< 1347315573 236963 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers are for ruining fun
< 1347315578 234942 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're like bits but moreso
< 1347315586 478781 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make sense to your little programmer brain
< 1347315593 684030 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i see a conversation between the two best people who have nicknames with numbers in them in this log
< 1347315614 452883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well you have to admit that it's a pretty good argument against them heating up the core to calculate "um i get about 4 milliwatts"
< 1347315631 788165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Am I one of those people. :'(
< 1347315632 810092 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :millis are the small ones right
< 1347315648 464286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1347315653 580441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a dumb C++ programmer so i don't know these things
< 1347315659 802393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rely on wise mathematicians to keep me straight
< 1347315662 650406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be a good argument even it were mega, really.
< 1347315665 924155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if you hold a paperclip and walk forwards then its kinetic energy is ~4mW
< 1347315673 208653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: shit
< 1347315678 779620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :templateT elliott(T T) { return T; }
< 1347315678 945471 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i never knew paperclips had enough power to heat the earth
< 1347315682 240665 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cosmic
< 1347315683 129982 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make sense to you or do i have to object-orient it
< 1347315688 230541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, does that compile?
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< 1347315710 444492 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: btw why am i tired at like 23:30
< 1347315714 882107 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:23 in fact
< 1347315715 429279 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1347315724 905109 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 23:31 here
< 1347315729 202703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know i think C++ is actually an ok language in some respects
< 1347315731 805453 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel bad about saying this
< 1347315735 356100 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually i have 00:22 here
< 1347315742 688266 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did the clocks change
< 1347315744 942535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :??!?!?!?
< 1347315748 182169 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the clock is off by an hour for some reason
< 1347315756 50736 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no my clock is in GMT+2
< 1347315759 404354 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea why
< 1347315766 935430 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well
< 1347315768 676131 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1347315769 358241 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i've got the authors: Johannes von Buttlar and Konstantin Meyl
< 1347315783 11063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: your house has undetectedly slipped into the north sea
< 1347315794 908163 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:30:32:  even when category theory is all worked out, our descendants will evolve new levels of conciousness with which they must solve greater and greater riddles.... and the accomplishments of humans in what we currently call 2012 won't seem very helpful except in a retro kind of way
< 1347315808 761091 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i
< 1347315811 569581 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i honestly can't tell whether this would make sense if i was less tired
< 1347315815 581550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because of neutrinos
< 1347315816 95880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think you can all work out category theory
< 1347315818 860012 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it makes no sense but
< 1347315822 997499 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neutrinos as a category
< 1347315823 546233 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing makes much sense to me right now
< 1347315827 353993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um
< 1347315828 796753 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1347315834 636484 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum physics uses groups and shit
< 1347315838 904831 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably that works
< 1347315842 48553 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can i come visit in trondheim
< 1347315854 899022 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i'm all soured and cynical
< 1347315915 983632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i am too soured and cynical myself to see visitors
< 1347315920 547536 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trondheim is the perfect name for a place to be soured and cynical
< 1347315923 413991 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: great! see you then
< 1347315934 872551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that _is_ true.
< 1347315953 364490 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok i'll just go on a trip to norway and HAPPEN to pass through trondheim
< 1347315967 731477 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and HAPPEN to spend all day covering every inch of the place until i run into oerjan BY COMPLETE COINCIDENCE ISN'T IT AMAZING?!?!?!?!??!!!
< 1347315977 346010 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but will you and oerjan be able to share his cardboard box
< 1347315984 422167 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what cardboard box
< 1347315994 873187 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean there's not much demand in trondheim for a beggar who can't even integrate
< 1347316027 294773 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan
< 1347316030 855540 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have some life wisdom to dispense
< 1347316032 50447 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you ready
< 1347316032 737850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt most of the beggars in trondheim can integrate, being romanian roma
< 1347316056 806101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly they're not much in demand either
< 1347316059 479852 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you ready
< 1347316064 125038 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't say there was much supply for integrating beggars either
< 1347316065 904639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEVER
< 1347316067 961720 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1347316068 473152 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well
< 1347316070 216595 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :here it is
< 1347316076 479058 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how everything sometimes seems like crap
< 1347316078 221198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well let me tell you
< 1347316082 522120 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that all goes away when you're tired!!!
< 1347316085 457376 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my life tip of the ay
< 1347316086 142830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :life wisdom never comes when you're ready anyway
< 1347316100 619168 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of the day
< 1347316192 62902 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... be tired all the time?
< 1347316196 524124 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://esolangs.org/wiki/SMITH_Turing-completeness_proof_sketch someone is encroaching on ur teriotry
< 1347316228 895123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=AAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!&curid=1671&diff=33689&oldid=20842 great editg
< 1347316230 296580 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :edit
< 1347316319 536004 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oddly enough another thing that goes away when you're tired is your left ear
< 1347316329 390687 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itst the mysteries of creaiotn that bind us all together
< 1347316355 233844 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:52:00:  they added some cheesy backing track, I suppose they intended to make it "fuller" or something but it sounds more like they found the make-a-beat button on the keyboard
< 1347316358 505362 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i love that fucking button
< 1347316383 196202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm imagining a wonderful crappy keyboard beat underneath the enterprise theme now
< 1347316384 683174 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
< 1347316393 204721 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jammin'
< 1347316497 350522 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347316543 282301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: oddly enough another thing that goes away when you're tired is your left ear <-- well i've noticed mine starts ringing when i'm tired and many people are speaking...
< 1347316759 876811 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what more proof do you need
< 1347316788 947301 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1347316869 418358 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to touch the wounds
< 1347316886 263498 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1347316917 988577 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hum proving that all programs in a certain language are bound to terminate is a proof that that language is not turing complete?
< 1347317012 586047 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1347317027 133654 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, proving that not all programs in a language terminate is not a proof of turing completeness
< 1347317037 148940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e., there are languages with non-halting programs that are still not powerful enough to be TC)
< 1347317040 855884 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but you must have non-halting programs to be TC)
< 1347317070 613860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :subtle cough is a simple example
< 1347317101 427941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people might not consider it simple :)
< 1347317119 962333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a _small_ example, then :P
< 1347317183 967220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this assumes that the language is actually implementable and that termination means that the implementation also terminates.
< 1347317239 297474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you get into semantics of what termination means for very abstract models
< 1347317240 659363 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the greatest variety of phenomena from the smallest amount of principles
< 1347317321 775426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also recall 0x29a which was TC but the functional subset alone wasn't
< 1347317331 716602 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: however, proving that not all programs in a language terminate is not a proof of turing completeness      I think HQ9+ misses an infinite loop instruction
< 1347317360 470460 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am reminded of oerjan's HQ9+ variant
< 1347317414 411357 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, what the hell does the + do?
< 1347317432 450358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Increments the accumulator, doesn't it? 
< 1347317466 228915 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what* accumulator?
< 1347317475 351105 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the accumulator that is incremented by +
< 1347317480 906529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: that's the joke.
< 1347317481 248277 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's not get bogged down in ontology
< 1347317484 945101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: the accumulator
< 1347317526 3145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it's all very philosophical.
< 1347317567 855857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I tried to have a Portland food cart lunch today, but all the other people wanted to go somewhere where they can sit down and have a beer. Perhaps tomorrow.
< 1347317606 84861 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well thanks for your help
< 1347317639 464896 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and gnight
< 1347317644 572174 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Are you telling me you can build a time machine but you can't cook a cheese soufflé? You've got your priorities all wrong!
< 1347318086 276915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if i used a time machine to work for Carême?
< 1347318099 308505 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i am going to bed now
< 1347318106 325906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night then
< 1347318107 350237 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
< 1347318124 713044 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a nice day everybody except the bad people
< 1347318159 217688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you answer my cryptography question yet. :'(
< 1347318163 549003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also am I bad people?
< 1347318167 818990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn elliott always excluding us villains
< 1347318174 886086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what question
< 1347318188 730393 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't worry i was thinking of people who weren't you
< 1347318194 475623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1347318224 124764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Stream ciphers and disk encryption and all that.
< 1347318249 720705 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1347318253 509470 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember it
< 1347318254 536074 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so goodnight
< 1347318353 205978 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347318360 797328 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347318434 833478 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
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< 1347318814 290886 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347319085 5718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I SEE KMC_
< 1347319440 301129 :kmc_!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi guys
< 1347319469 333853 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal
< 1347319487 702607 :kmc_!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net NICK :kmc
< 1347319494 867406 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still getting the hang of tmux
< 1347319793 497449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc
< 1347319844 793322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So I wrote that program in Haskell (mostly).
< 1347319864 769203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halfskell halfC, anyway. There are no XInput bindings.
< 1347319968 255033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did all my kmc:s before get through?
< 1347320207 785210 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1347320242 748034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the ones i saw got through
< 1347320268 783291 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks logs
< 1347320275 680772 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're right that I probably don't need to check the event type
< 1347320313 303641 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott yes, it does break these consequences of Fitt's law, but personally I don't use the screen edges that much -- I already have keyboard shortcuts for tab bar and scrolling
< 1347320313 322336 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347320319 257159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, 7-zip can unpack many file types, and the common ones (tape archive, gzip, zip, etc) can be used with packing as well.
< 1347320327 533380 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott i mainly use the mouse for clicking links in the middle of web pages, ymmv of course
< 1347320327 561813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347320348 97033 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what did you write in Haskell? a screen wrappy thing?
< 1347320369 103056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes.
< 1347320373 617498 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1347320386 156071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly a port of the C code.
< 1347320409 698580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The X11 bindings are both incomplete and low-levelish.
< 1347320469 254352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :7-Zip can even unpack Macintosh disk images, which I have once had to do; the music for PySol is in this format for some reason I don't know.
< 1347320524 286894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slbkbs.org/wrap/Main.hs http://slbkbs.org/wrap/cbits.c
< 1347320627 740198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Anyway I'm trying it and it's weird.
< 1347320635 578452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's be more useful if I had more screens.
< 1347320986 664846 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347321008 673060 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am used to it and so i use it even on the small laptop screen
< 1347321009 868617 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah
< 1347321209 696891 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned that you can set the window title in screen/tmux with \ek\e
< 1347321220 730853 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what this escape code is called
< 1347321234 74379 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the one used by xterm to set the window title
< 1347321241 550313 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not in the xterm escape codes file
< 1347321425 886549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there ROM chips having a second address/data bus?
< 1347321696 367837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://habrahabr.ru/post/151203/
< 1347321700 663894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy people.
< 1347321810 818982 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this is a gif which is also a wav?
< 1347321838 822988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1347321860 366660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They used my GIF player thing for it. It almost makes me want to make it not so dreadfully inefficient.
< 1347321907 288481 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :гиф
< 1347321911 740733 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wrote jsgif?
< 1347321923 991525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1347321950 762468 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1347321953 12205 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what for?
< 1347321995 751076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was annoyed at not being able to step frame-by-frame through animations.
< 1347322024 283380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was some of the sorting algorithm animations on Wikipedia.
< 1347322033 808401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I decided to do something entirely client-side.
< 1347322349 975075 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, I downloaded 152 GB last night
< 1347322354 518938 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope my ISP is ok with that
< 1347322420 916026 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah i know how that is.. 
< 1347322448 63599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of GBs.
< 1347322463 629811 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :some nights you get so web-drunk that 152gb just gets downloaded before you know it
< 1347322498 835422 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i have about 108 GB of DVDs i want to rip, and no space for them
< 1347322627 775620 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that 152gb is feasible
< 1347322655 395563 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was all port hahaha
< 1347322657 671383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1347322721 994540 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took about 16.5 hours
< 1347322757 434787 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that downloading could be fun if you had no reason to stop
< 1347322809 565659 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :who am i kidding
< 1347322852 904805 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how to rip DVDs :/
< 1347322883 299222 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want to decrypt the VOBs and leave them intact otherwise; it looks like vobcopy can do this
< 1347322894 579020 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cyber-criminal
< 1347322921 415934 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair abuse
< 1347322947 175799 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1347323000 835067 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the laws may be clear on these matters, i think maybe new words are needed to help discriminate the various types of property trading now possible in digital age
< 1347323147 965035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: apt-get install dvdbackup
< 1347323151 69558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ dvdbackup -M
< 1347323158 543662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you have libdvdcss.)
< 1347323162 296705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION >>= undefined
< 1347323190 19944 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me, I need to get vlc from debian-multimedia
< 1347323193 924609 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ffmpeg
< 1347323273 868490 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: cool
< 1347323327 905570 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :questions like: did you pay? were you expected to pay? is there a physical embodiment? is it computer data? do they know you took it? did they expect you not to take it? does the person who traded it away still have it?
< 1347323380 608159 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :words like buy and download simply don't represent all these ideas very unambiguously
< 1347323642 831908 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION consumes a delicious butter-sugar-chocolate food disc
< 1347323735 135954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you like a defibrillator with that?
< 1347323738 367344 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You gluttonous consumer
< 1347323944 161152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gluteus maximus
< 1347324124 991630 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347324507 537945 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i ate one cookie, i'm gonna die of a heart attack for sure
< 1347324630 935321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't die of a heart atteck, it wasn't delicious enough!
< 1347324729 505764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a
< 1347324880 474514 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1347325338 466671 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347325540 245595 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Excess Flood
< 1347325648 665148 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do common UNIX-like systems all support invoking the "default" C compiler as cc?
< 1347325864 89144 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The default compiler may be cc, but your default compiler is always gcc.
< 1347325903 107130 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even on recent OS X? what about solaris?
< 1347325913 748538 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'm asking "can i write cc in a shell script and have it dtrt"
< 1347325916 726476 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have no idea
< 1347325935 85721 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not use CC anyway
< 1347325960 622904 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$CC isn't typically set in the shell
< 1347325964 923804 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shell, not makefile
< 1347325972 829671 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps bonghits will fix my build script
< 1347326008 584477 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, so set it at the top
< 1347326040 406391 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't get me anything
< 1347326098 909852 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's easier to fix then
< 1347326161 86612 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347326288 978956 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes but i'm only invoking cc once in this script
< 1347326304 889823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.gsp.com/cgi-bin/man.cgi?section=1&topic=c89 says there should be one named c89
< 1347326322 947957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in posix
< 1347326375 341109 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about posix
< 1347326383 782293 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun
< 1347326395 235483 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :cygwin does not provide c89.
< 1347326409 850748 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you give a shit
< 1347326410 358002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even funner
< 1347326426 254489 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That tool does not exist in current POSIX, only older versions of POSIX.
< 1347326428 263035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cc link in the above redirects to gcc fwiw
< 1347326434 521450 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX 2008 specifies c99 however.
< 1347326438 926338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: sheesh.  so what ... ok
< 1347326441 184672 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: does it provide cc?
< 1347326453 845777 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1347326456 858130 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the POSIX c89 / c99 also have standard command-line syntax?
< 1347326469 415332 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :See above
< 1347326471 781899 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes.
< 1347326477 596360 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: They function as you expect.
< 1347326486 483651 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not provide cc I don't think.
< 1347326516 370999 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, real-world UNIX-like systems generally have cc.
< 1347326528 515841 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :${CC:=cc} would be the right thing.
< 1347326535 845135 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ${CC:=c99} if you mean C99.
< 1347326541 596407 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :cc is usually assumed to be gcc, or be a compiler that works like gcc
< 1347326545 128537 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like clang
< 1347326557 830544 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(${CC:=cc} evaluates to CC, or cc if CC is unset, and if CC is unset, sets CC to cc.)
< 1347326613 760563 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1347326627 798069 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll use ${CC:-cc}
< 1347326634 744406 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems reasonable.
< 1347326646 18871 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst-case scenario someone has to tell it the compiler.
< 1347326743 485702 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you can do what configure scripts do
< 1347326752 628553 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Checking for usable C compiler..."
< 1347326775 255580 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know why configure scripts do that
< 1347327150 220363 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to fail earlier, maybe
< 1347327564 882959 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: It's dain bramage.
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< 1347328526 510629 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok heres a strange question
< 1347328550 795000 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am monolingual.
< 1347328580 461212 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people are bilingual.
< 1347328619 501032 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasioanlly some people know quite a lot of languages and known as polyglots
< 1347328630 887158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :riiiiiight
< 1347328671 389670 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to WP, Nikola Tesla could speak Serbian, Czech, English, French, German, Hungarian, Italian, and Latin.
< 1347328694 24646 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dr Jos Rizal (18611896), could speak 22 languages.
< 1347328735 316113 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, a whole 4 language families on Tesla.
< 1347328766 671412 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the thought i have is, are there computer-programmer equivalents to this Dr Jose Rizal
< 1347328784 167182 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, you mean programmers that know 22 languages?
< 1347328787 3614 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, trivially.
< 1347328802 27032 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereby, it is not simply that they have read 22 sams programming books
< 1347328817 830934 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Again, trivially.
< 1347328819 368803 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they have some advanced capacity 
< 1347328825 145044 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya.. ur right
< 1347328828 289225 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivially
< 1347328834 478426 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Gregor's nearing that point in programming languages *implemented*.
< 1347328844 258308 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oy, how many programming languages have you done?
< 1347328858 953986 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Count esolangs, those were interesting and nontrivial.
< 1347328862 485096 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming languages are mostly dialects of each other
< 1347328953 768397 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently daniel tammet learned icelandic in a week
< 1347328973 507866 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I understand, he learned basic icelandic in a week.
< 1347328982 444431 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sam's Learn Icelandic in 7 Days
< 1347328994 683960 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably not that difficult eh :P media exaggerations?
< 1347329001 487681 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which TBH is about the rate anyone could learn basic bits in nearly any language.
< 1347329002 762423 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything for a story
< 1347329019 160690 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except maybe ones with really hard (for them) phonemes...
< 1347329154 260588 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess what i am pondering is whether programming is something you can be good at to such a degree that they make a film like rainman about you
< 1347329168 119089 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :being good at programing != knowing a lot of programming languages
< 1347329182 261878 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing how common this confusion is
< 1347329184 44346 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well thats fair enough. i won't dispite that
< 1347329189 222855 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^dispute
< 1347329192 106988 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in truth, which programming language you use just doesn't matter much
< 1347329192 125397 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Rainman was not exactly a documentary. :)
< 1347329206 480737 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hnn
< 1347329231 936341 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you want someone like that, uh...
< 1347329234 622935 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fabrice Bellard.
< 1347329239 413370 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need I say more.
< 1347329383 748444 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when programmers get famous in popular (non-programmer) culture, it's not typically for being extraordinarily good at programming
< 1347329413 905811 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually they made something boring and derivative which became extremely popular
< 1347329414 587656 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i think they don't have a name for what fabrice has done
< 1347329423 138516 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :either through luck or through clever but non-programming-related decisions
< 1347329429 407945 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mark zuckerberg, linus torvalds, bill gates
< 1347329439 885654 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories:
< 1347329440 227516 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :    1972 births
< 1347329440 246266 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :    Living people
< 1347329440 246433 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :    cole Polytechnique alumni
< 1347329440 246538 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :    French computer programmers
< 1347329440 607646 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :    People from Grenoble
< 1347329442 310740 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :    French computer scientists
< 1347329444 259297 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops... newlines
< 1347329450 82584 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these people might be excellent programmers (i've heard gates in particular is), but that's not actually why they're famous
< 1347329541 914707 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems one article title labeled him "super-productive programmer" but i sure hope that title doesn't become common
< 1347329580 353416 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn prolific
< 1347329580 965406 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "prolific" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1347329580 984021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolific
< 1347329580 984188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    adj 1: intellectually productive; "a prolific writer"; "a fecund
< 1347329581 2573 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           imagination" [syn: {fecund}, {fertile}, {prolific}]
< 1347329581 2744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    2: bearing in abundance especially offspring; "flying foxes are
< 1347329582 966505 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :       extremely prolific"; "a prolific pear tree" [syn: {prolific},
< 1347329584 967567 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :       {fertile}]
< 1347329742 431210 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I name Bellard as it in particular just because any *one* project of his would be a moderately impressive feat.
< 1347329760 926672 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or insanely impressive...
< 1347329764 51676 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :qemu, for instance.
< 1347329780 139887 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is strictly speaking an overgrown side project of tcc.
< 1347329786 543799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 
< 1347329790 291335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did it work?
< 1347329805 192463 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was an overgrown side project of an ioccc entry
< 1347329832 818043 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(qemu grew out of Bellard's attempts to write a somewhat more generic backend scheme for tcc... He realised that if he just stuck a disassembler on the front of it he'd have an emulator, and tada.)
< 1347329997 840265 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah
< 1347330009 31028 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did what work?
< 1347330023 328161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The DVD thing.
< 1347330031 344397 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have the DVDs yet
< 1347330034 503503 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are arriving tomorrow
< 1347330057 480002 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wire: The Complete Series on 23 DVDs
< 1347330106 773337 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :23dvds... thats quite a signifigant number of dvds
< 1347330149 352498 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 4 Blurays.
< 1347330150 374621 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is possibly the most profound thing i have ever heard in my life
< 1347330177 480885 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't have it on blu-ray
< 1347330188 460500 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can get _Man on Wire_ on blu-ray which is also good
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< 1347330459 446481 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if these are DVD-5 but it is plausible
< 1347330463 554639 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about 61 hours of video
< 1347330579 889291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVDV
< 1347330608 773844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is this related to the hundreds of GBs you downloaded recently?
< 1347330695 989516 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1347330716 768966 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is that like DVDA"
< 1347330851 384596 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is slowly installing perl and git on a FreeBSD EC2 micro instance
< 1347330858 952061 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is gentoo before gentoo was a thing
< 1347330881 948537 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i spent yesterday pimping my bash prompt, what else should i add?
< 1347330935 719456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Last command exit status indicator?
< 1347330994 57896 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have that,
< 1347331005 110347 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual $ turns into a red '!' if the last command failed
< 1347331012 337651 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347331034 59158 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also displays the hostname and the working directory (with custom abbreviations)
< 1347331043 392859 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the latter is used as the tmux / screen window name
< 1347331128 592306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like a productive day.
< 1347331140 615628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's prompt is '\u@\h:\w\$ '
< 1347331142 17564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or so.
< 1347331238 480146 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should switch to zsh, it has better hooks for fancy stuff
< 1347331263 147030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should too.
< 1347331269 356783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've tried a couple times but it's such a hassle.
< 1347331294 956369 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so
< 1347331325 51507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember.
< 1347331330 909560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things don't work right.
< 1347331339 704137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION = old and set in ways. :-(
< 1347331360 556529 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, before yesterday i was using a prompt i had stole from i think Red Hat 6.x
< 1347331370 839242 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably used that prompt for 10 years
< 1347331379 711227 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROMPT="%(?..%B%F{red}[%?]%f%b) %B%F{blue}$USER@%2m%f%b:%B%2c%b %F{magenta}%*%f%# "
< 1347331382 55197 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no i used some wacky gentoo prompt for a while
< 1347331412 880666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, those had fancy colours.
< 1347331633 85005 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347331658 832231 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obligatory link to http://eseth.org/2009/nethack-term.html
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< 1347335596 185731 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2012/08/06 this somehow feels cogent
< 1347336341 47414 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :much much less funny when i realize that zyngis is a reference to zynga, and that zynga's logo is a dog
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< 1347340944 676187 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah stupid freebsd, this is taking forever and it's not even funrolling my loops
< 1347341007 372393 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Content-type: application/octet-stream
< 1347341010 657543 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Content-type: dunno/lol
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< 1347341871 421619 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh wow http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/09/10/aig-stock-sale-vindicates-treasury-bailout.html
< 1347345323 881016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like this word "metric ton"; it should not be called a "ton", a "tonne", or a "metric ton"; it should be called a "megagram", isn't it?
< 1347345383 267919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kilokilogram
< 1347345463 759135 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer megagram.
< 1347345482 993502 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same number of syllables, but much more systematic.
< 1347345530 681101 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, whoever put US traditional units in my most recent chem assignment should be shot.
< 1347345536 1233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My megagramma has a megagramo' stuff in her system attic.
< 1347345562 306429 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Science = fuck you, I want sane units.
< 1347345563 299984 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought "metric ton" was a figure of speech
< 1347345571 479854 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, it's a megagram.
< 1347345602 300855 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a non-SI unit accepted for use with SI.
< 1347345604 803840 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because fuck you.
< 1347345644 745241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A metric tone us one defined using decibels instead of cents.
< 1347345723 849887 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that? I don't think that works.
< 1347345742 538074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 dB ~= 400 cents?
< 1347345774 311004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, is that how it works?
< 1347346099 659139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does that come from? 
< 1347346217 767098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cents are pretty metric already, actually.
< 1347346224 272020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cent_(music)
< 1347346260 490586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It's very simple, really.
< 1347346271 21622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An octave is called an octave because it's divided into 12 parts.
< 1347346287 892039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the link was enough.
< 1347346294 16139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those parts are called semitones.
< 1347346302 807463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seven semitones make a fifth, and five semitones make a fourth.
< 1347346317 572406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A perfect fifth and a perfect fourth, that is.)
< 1347346322 117553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That certainly makes sense.
< 1347346326 488250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fifth/equal-tempered perfect fifth/
< 1347346345 348283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: OK, fine.
< 1347346365 385616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A perfect fifth is a factor of 3/2, but they approximate it by 2^(7/12)
< 1347346387 826692 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a just perfect fifth is 3/2. An equal-tempered perfect fifth is 2^(7/12).
< 1347346409 531377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone ever use decibels for ratios of frequencies? 
< 1347346432 742537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know.
< 1347346434 61812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to use decibels for ratios of frequencies?
< 1347346454 80104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt anyone ever uses cents for anything but ratios of frequencies.
< 1347346467 55543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite the fact that 2 is a much more sensible base for your logarithm than 10!
< 1347346480 836006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's much more natural, when you're dealing with integers.
< 1347346550 646258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently people use "dB-Hz" for measuring bandwidth; it's relative to 1 Hz.
< 1347346605 45070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :30 dB-Hz is a kilohertz.
< 1347346632 804860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though there's no citation for this, so maybe someone just invented it for Wikipedia.
< 1347346815 677990 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, screw the decibel. Base 10 log is silly.
< 1347346829 450241 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ln and lb por favor
< 1347346860 745524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't forget to divide by 12.
< 1347346905 870215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, now I can see how dB-Hz can be used like that. But I have never heard of it before.
< 1347346925 173133 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = "(" + x + ")/12"
< 1347347065 225902 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :more fun is multiplication by 10
< 1347347088 246860 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = x + "0"
< 1347347101 327044 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i know it won't always work
< 1347347211 193550 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :x = "5.0" ...
< 1347348040 556464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know they are integers, it could be used, such as a shell script     dd count=`wc -l`0 ...
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< 1347351290 941542 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disagree with reason 2 in Joel's software link, "They create to many exit points in a function", you still have just as many exit points if not more with C only code not using exceptions
< 1347351735 701408 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, Joel exists purely for the purpose of being disagreed with
< 1347351764 188160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: You should have a nick with numbers in it.
< 1347351779 673045 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?  Just because everyone else does?
< 1347351795 639165 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't change his nick
< 1347351827 764468 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to keep it the same as my NAO username
< 1347351840 776067 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so's I get alerted when Rodney reports my deaths
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< 1347356007 638605 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow... apparently someone at the /New Yorker/ knows about diareses ("reënter")
< 1347357207 239845 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au NICK :itidus
< 1347357225 88815 :itidus!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au NICK :tidus
< 1347357233 506973 :tidus!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au NICK :itidus21
< 1347357262 302194 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... tidus was registered at least
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< 1347362036 337310 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was watching a show this morning
< 1347362091 800968 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i live in america" "i thought you lived in new york" "new york is in america" 
< 1347362986 444789 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I'm pretty sure you're wrong, I have a map of the United Kingdom here and there's a city named York... Sur New York must be in the uk too
< 1347363123 629747 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was some old show with zsa zsa gabor
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< 1347365842 197600 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :New York is the name for the new construction in York made in the late 1700s.
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< 1347375718 186813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my god viddler have started charging for any account using over 2GB of bandwidth per month.
< 1347375728 802352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Way to commit financial suicide, guys.
< 1347375931 786547 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh?
< 1347376064 62712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If more than 2GB of bandwidth is spent watching your videos, they email you saying you have to pay up or they'll delete the account.
< 1347376126 238368 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you think everyone will just leave viddler?
< 1347376127 986626 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 2GB is nothing
< 1347376233 396291 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, the charge is $50/month for 200GB of bandwidth.
< 1347376306 835447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that was being asked of a fairly small Let's Play outfit.
< 1347376385 218358 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So whilst holding customers who don't have backups to ransom might work, something tells me it's not going to work for long.
< 1347376758 211590 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: so first people pay 50$ for 200GB, and then suddenly they're told their 50$ cover only for the first 2GB, and the remaining 198GB have to be paid again?
< 1347376784 478452 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, 2GB is just the threshold for a free account.
< 1347377879 841273 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Youtube threshold is infinity.
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< 1347378058 599090 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages?
< 1347378058 654516 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1347378061 403400 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow
< 1347378064 193759 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm popular
< 1347378066 978835 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1347378066 998356 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen said 16h 48m 32s ago: "Brook... with the gimmick that the program can produce and immediately execute a potentially infinite length program written in Brook." I'm not sure what you mean -
< 1347378067 16903 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I look at the instruction set I feel like it's basically Fueue, except the program and the data queue are separated. what am I missing?
< 1347378067 35945 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen said 16h 32m 1s ago: oh and I noticed the truth-machine fueue program from the truth-machine wiki page doesn't work. it first tries to print "-48", then (assuming the interpreter hasn't
< 1347378067 36104 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :crashed already) turns into a cat (because the two main blocks are never unblocked, the ($ turns into [$], and the + never has two arguments
< 1347378087 312396 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out the two messages were from the same user, sorry :(
< 1347378101 825471 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, Brook is a lot more like brainfuck with a different kind of loop
< 1347378132 881596 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also, I never tested the truth-machine in Fueue
< 1347378139 205394 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than just writing it out
< 1347378141 668456 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but did you mean that brook could modify its own code?
< 1347378145 322213 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1347378156 924103 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sort of emits a new program which is run first
< 1347378168 649930 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And has access to a different tape
< 1347378177 866386 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I tested it with both my interpreters, the C one turned into a cat while the ocaml one raised Failure "char_of_int"
< 1347378207 186212 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I looke dmore closely and noticed yoru program tried to print -48, and the blocks were never unblocked
< 1347378220 651072 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that's a problem
< 1347378228 88714 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was probably asleep when I wrote it, heh
< 1347378237 202783 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike what my user page says, I'm not a super human.
< 1347378244 339692 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just provide an alternative male perspective.
< 1347378266 676115 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a truth-machine is quite hard to implement in fueue, because of the "one complete no-op rotation" you have to have in order to get input, and then this input alone is supposed to de-no-op the queue
< 1347378294 493646 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, yeah
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< 1347378369 816650 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and input are numeric values, which can only interfere with +, -, *, /, %, $, but none of those commands would deblock anything
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< 1347378414 955274 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I was wondering: where does the "F" in fueue come from ?
< 1347378428 120193 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It stands for "functional"
< 1347378496 652434 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, makes sense
< 1347378530 869961 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'll try to look into Brook again but as someone pointed out on the talk page it's quite hard to understand :p
< 1347378563 62860 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was designed to be tricky
< 1347378568 452909 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hard to prove Turing-complete
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< 1347382942 873174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a keynote computer music guy from CMU today.
< 1347383007 250294 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Roger B. Dannenberg guy, been doing Audacity apparently.
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< 1347386489 734355 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heard this today: "I googled it on Amazon"
< 1347386801 553127 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.160.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone here edit code on Android? I've installed a few code editors, just wondering which one you prefer to work with?
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< 1347386830 75401 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :edit code on android? sounds incredibly painful
< 1347386974 880584 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.160.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a bluetooth keyboard?
< 1347387020 451427 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, with a real keyboard
< 1347387044 353035 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plenty of android devices have laptop-style keyboards
< 1347387047 331252 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. eee pad transformer
< 1347387055 961552 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :android runs on lots of different kinds of hardware
< 1347387077 887401 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in lithuania i rode a bus which had an android-based seat back entertainment system
< 1347387085 205284 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was loaded with very obviously pirated music and movies
< 1347387369 28659 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.160.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone tried one of those Laser projection keyboards?
< 1347387483 266960 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have one; the bluetooth interface is proprietary
< 1347387529 325601 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some third party reverse engineered the protocol for the one i have, and they made a demo app but want you to pay money for actually using it
< 1347387534 86660 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the performance in the demo app is shit
< 1347387692 960723 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words, happy reverse engineering to build your own?
< 1347387726 203148 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it takes a while for changes to ripple through the timelines"
< 1347387739 181681 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww, star trek is not supposed to be so timey wimey bally
< 1347387807 249594 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other models might have better interfgaces
< 1347387831 107113 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :doctor who is at least overtly timey wimey
< 1347387951 948759 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, and apparently they're going to be away from the enterprise while they're off time travelling, long enough to need an excuse ... can't they just return from the time they left?
< 1347387956 213389 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to the time
< 1347388141 507691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347388224 478932 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: here, have some best practices: http://code.jonwagner.com/2012/09/11/best-practices-when-to-not-use-asynchronous-programming/
< 1347388389 537450 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.160.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is that the celluon keyboard?
< 1347388409 678064 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one i have? i don't think so, not sure
< 1347388419 949008 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got it for free from someone who also couldn't get it to do anything useful ;P
< 1347388425 472966 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's sitting at the bottom of a box somewhere
< 1347388435 345812 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks cool tho
< 1347388483 576756 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.160.231 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently one of them can be set as a virtual piano keyboard.
< 1347388491 591173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<atriq> Unlike what my user page says, I'm not a super human. <-- shocking
< 1347388545 998011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Arc_Koen> I think a truth-machine is quite hard to implement in fueue, because of the "one complete no-op rotation" you have to have in order to get input, and then this input alone is supposed to de-no-op the queue
< 1347388572 53445 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i found out that would be awkward.  although not so awkward that distinguishing _one_ character is impossible.  hm...
< 1347388628 363305 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :john_smith
< 1347388649 770654 :john_smith!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1347388650 748615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically only $ is capable of doing nothing, then triggering on a single number appearing 
< 1347388689 948733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after one round
< 1347389008 725803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: OKAY THANKS
< 1347389036 679929 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant
< 1347389160 454854 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.toothycat.net/~hologram/Turing/HowItWorks.html YES!
< 1347389164 963970 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic The Gathering is TC.
< 1347389188 953180 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet
< 1347389191 818400 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So are bathroom tiles, fwiw
< 1347389213 965398 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, Wang Tiles are)
< 1347389231 471111 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe wang
< 1347389242 988034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How much of the keyboard thing is done in software?
< 1347389247 285148 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1347389262 412342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think after that wolfram TM etc. brouhaha i think i'd reserve the word "universal" instead of TC for those bathroom tiles
< 1347389285 544944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :things get fishy when there's infinite setup or finish
< 1347389325 197654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess there's a TC decision problem in there
< 1347389334 757518 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not strictly speaking halting
< 1347389390 637798 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there's a way of translating turing machines to sets of tiles that tile the plane and only repeat if the turing machine halts or something
< 1347389458 570007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm they repeat?  i thought they couldn't tile the plane at all then, but i never learned that bit of the proof
< 1347389465 136606 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1347389472 623133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if oklopol were here he could tell us
< 1347389535 512550 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not advanced enough in the arcane arts of mathematics to understand it, most likely
< 1347389543 5724 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I officially learnt about groups today
< 1347389709 333406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1347389734 742943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION turns atriq upside down, then twists him leftwards, then mirrors him
< 1347389760 333157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION then dies as atriq explodes as antimatter
< 1347389779 84589 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION becomes PURE ENERGY
< 1347389792 39375 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not as awesome as it sounds at all
< 1347389815 101365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no rest anymore
< 1347389854 563770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1347389854 582304 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi QUIT :*.net *.split
< 1347389924 465228 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347390184 440134 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Pokemon cards are turing complete
< 1347390402 915596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Magic: the Gathering is TC; now you told me for sure.
< 1347390418 327380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :About Pokemon card, though, there is a limit to the number of cards so it might not be.
< 1347390702 704349 :mjrosenb!~mjrosenb@INDIUM.CLUB.CC.CMU.EDU QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1347390795 720094 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yu-Gi-Oh?
< 1347391034 596294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know that game well enough.
< 1347391173 258032 :myndzi!~myndzi@71-35-133-36.tukw.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1347391220 206265 :myndzi!~myndzi@71-35-161-1.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347391638 273699 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Sopio is
< 1347391710 665074 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can use Junkyard Dave and get two queues like that, but then you'd need an infinite hand, which you can't have
< 1347391732 716494 :myndzi!~myndzi@71-35-161-1.tukw.qwest.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347392013 76593 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the MtG turing machine uses life counters (or whatever those numbers mean) to store cards' indexes in the queues, and pops the top card by hurting all cards by one and seeing what died
< 1347392054 527290 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you'd need infinite credit. it would make it turing complete but on the other side it'd have some ruinous affect on inflation
< 1347392157 792502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Arc_Koen: plz test )$!![[)[~~~~()+1])])][[)[~H~+32])])][)~[0]]
< 1347392229 730547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well one of you at least
< 1347392339 109938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347392407 311283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION downloads the c interpreter
< 1347392414 838888 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prints P for 0, Q for 1
< 1347392425 569079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1347392436 522827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord <$> "01PQ"
< 1347392437 352679 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [48,49,80,81]
< 1347392446 241333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep that's correct
< 1347392461 788059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then halts without more input, right?
< 1347392467 111580 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1347392493 469729 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, converts capital letters to lower case
< 1347392497 314707 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One letter at a time
< 1347392505 548263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, then to replace the ~H~+32 part
< 1347392796 779232 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1347392830 672485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to get fueue input working
< 1347392841 48013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fix the truth machine
< 1347392844 971733 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Basically.
< 1347392868 589399 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: And lazily expands the queues.
< 1347392900 753040 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive
< 1347392930 568535 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I liked that, the most-alive card is one that expands the tape by spawning the appropriate other card when it dies
< 1347393001 319283 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: wait, the C interpreter is not the right version
< 1347393032 596626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. well it worked for this program.
< 1347393090 251795 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I'm not sure actually
< 1347393110 215701 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember that important changes had been made since that version but I can't remember which
< 1347393123 60526 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's already imperative instead of recursive
< 1347393133 398320 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you meet any problems please elt me know
< 1347393148 629457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1347393295 717474 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, I think the main differences are the use of union types, and a memory leak fix
< 1347393305 23432 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is particularly important for infinite loop
< 1347393817 679831 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is the !! used to delay input?
< 1347393856 262299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used to fix the spot where the input will appear
< 1347393882 824886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by being the last thing to execute
< 1347393914 268950 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not simply rotate the initial program to have the spot already at an extremity?
< 1347393918 367469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess ... right
< 1347394126 874142 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah
< 1347394143 384273 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when using --print it turns out the program goes a *very* long way before halting
< 1347394207 64306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically has do duplicate a number of blocks equal to the character read, then run them once, then run the leftovers once
< 1347394295 9749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1347394349 432139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see any other way than )$[...] of getting an input number into a form that can be handled
< 1347394394 420911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe something with <$[...] could work but that's going to be even worse
< 1347394490 6219 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm does fueue accept empty blocks?
< 1347394493 792426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a ) is needed at some point anyway
< 1347394522 939612 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: are empty blocks legal?
< 1347394528 309072 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1347394540 356901 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think
< 1347394552 464819 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never actually thought about this
< 1347394556 729882 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they are
< 1347394564 982574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's just that since you don't need any other argument to create an empty block, there's no use having a function _other_ than [] for it
< 1347394593 463112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347394612 80385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like underload doesn't have anything but () for it either
< 1347394750 318443 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1347394801 545676 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahah
< 1347394808 728808 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'll have to revise my interpreter then
< 1347395623 617868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh how does one get vim to ignore special characters in the substitution _string_?
< 1347395637 68436 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, the c interpreter had problems with deblocking empty blocks, but that's fixed
< 1347395673 322730 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't you have something to escape problematic characters?
< 1347395690 272656 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1347395692 15114 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1347395693 39527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know _which_ characters are the problematic ones :(
< 1347395715 910137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[)[~~~~()+1])])][[)[~H~+32])])][)~[0]])$
< 1347395718 467056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1347395733 744784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot cut and paste from the : line :(
< 1347395853 510480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think it's the ~
< 1347395907 209262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew :sno fixed it
< 1347396030 234757 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347396200 378276 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it still writes P for 0)
< 1347396214 341683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as intended
< 1347396474 386223 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd
< 1347396587 203492 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: could you replace fueue.c with http://sprunge.us/EIBh please? modifications include fixing a memory leak, using union types, and fixing an issue with empty blocks
< 1347396649 373733 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Done.
< 1347396669 105722 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe I should find a way to upload files myself I feel bad depending on you like that - is zzo38computer.cjb.net really your physical computer?
< 1347396672 205282 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you
< 1347397060 569049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is my physical computer.
< 1347397081 834569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works! [[)[~~~~()+1])])][[)$-----~1-[~:)~)[)[~:)~)]~:]:]~[~[$~H~~%~+])~48-):])~)~:])][)~[0]])$
< 1347397084 289978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually it is a router, but ports 70, 80, 194, and some others are connected to my computer.)
< 1347397296 296270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1347397306 296381 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-137-36.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1347397321 983635 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess, 70 is gopher?
< 1347397436 889427 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :niiiiice
< 1347397580 759915 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes
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< 1347398203 936157 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is someone familiar with MarioLANG? I think http://esolangs.org/wiki/Truth-machine#MarioLANG is missing =====
< 1347398237 713669 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :without it I guess when input is '1' Mario would just die without outputting anything
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< 1347400287 667813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: would seem so...
< 1347400572 920166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sleuth skills tell me it was made by atriq http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Truth-machine&diff=30464&oldid=30434
< 1347400652 534903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something i'm also wondering is if you can take an elevator the other way after using it; that would also mess up things.
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< 1347402783 848457 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I did not really understand how elevators worked exactly
< 1347402784 26235 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347402842 210541 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess the reason there are different symbols for the start and end of an elevator is that it only works one way
< 1347402890 34411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1347402952 128692 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, I'm guessing items are one-use only
< 1347403018 40910 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my confusion about elevators come from the first example: http://esolangs.org/wiki/MarioLANG#Commands_Explained
< 1347403051 138931 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did he need a ! (stop walking) and why are there three # and three "
< 1347403064 821488 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooooh
< 1347403069 339392 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I get it
< 1347403075 375618 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an elevator as in the game
< 1347403084 116895 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when Mario steps on it it actually moves
< 1347403095 432975 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it stop moving when it meets the "
< 1347403111 528850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*crunch*
< 1347403139 718358 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's like ground, except it can move once - but it's like ground, not like an object
< 1347403155 215640 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in atriq's program it would probably work like a wall
< 1347403272 480348 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the talk page is all about the elevator
< 1347403544 249651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not about the same question though
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< 1347403603 426744 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's about "your description of the elevator is incomplete and ambiguous"
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< 1347404040 293051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lack of an implementation doesn't help.
< 1347404287 412378 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd make one if it were less ambiguous
< 1347404336 529483 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"move one space. take item. look what's under your feet. fall. move one space again"
< 1347404414 322504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however the truth machine _does_ seem to be in conflict with what's already written, not ambiguous.
< 1347404437 610979 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup the truth machine is completely wrong
< 1347404457 109700 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if items are one use only then I guess loops are not really possible
< 1347404479 705947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think they can be, with the language being claimed TC
< 1347404483 89104 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki page says it's turing complete but there is nothing that looks like a proof
< 1347404525 897325 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I'll guess I'll make a truth-machine with a comment about items
< 1347404526 980980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it seems to have most of brainfuck + a flexible means of flow control, so it should be.
< 1347404575 936157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but indeed those are items, so cannot be one use only
< 1347404606 815549 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is simply no unbounded storage without unlimited items
< 1347404753 823698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm and the examples on the page itself do seem to imply you need to stop walking to safely use an elevator...
< 1347404812 20022 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup
< 1347404831 727449 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347404838 141711 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in super mario - if you keep walking you'll fall off while the elevator is moving
< 1347404909 328120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm wondering about the exact meaning of [ if you pass over an elevator...
< 1347404941 521936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll make a truth machine with less assumptions
< 1347405035 783041 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347405057 924779 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: [ skips commands
< 1347405063 706789 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elevators are parts, not commands
< 1347405071 411895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep thought so
< 1347405095 588362 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be like "if [condition], skip the wall" "will do" "BAM"
< 1347405190 294357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except parts _are_ also listed under commands.
< 1347405230 762447 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1347405233 880127 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I confused commands for instructions
< 1347405241 292818 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347405271 348433 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm assuming if you make an elevator get down through a ground, mario will not phase through
< 1347405283 639692 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I wonder if mario dies if the elevator goes up through the ceiling
< 1347405421 753768 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347405454 110080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i edited it, is this one better?
< 1347405550 137352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it assumes the elevator doesn't go faster than Mario is walking, otherwise it needs to be taller
< 1347405960 401446 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup that sounds good
< 1347406066 12723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines Arc_Koen listening to MarioLANG code through a screen reader
< 1347406466 319694 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow! this language is fun
< 1347406620 267596 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking about an object-oriented language based on mario kart
< 1347406637 548548 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 8 participants in a 128 meters long race
< 1347406648 237686 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every kart has an acceleration, speed, and position
< 1347406675 164741 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can do things at times specified by the program
< 1347406684 99938 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like using objects against other participants)
< 1347406736 992271 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course everybody wants to win so karts cannot decelerate willingly (but can be slow down or stopped by objects used by other karts)
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< 1347407043 707166 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, my mistake, these are DVD-9's
< 1347407047 970744 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's like 180 GB
< 1347407097 224007 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway have a good night
< 1347407108 178081 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Are you telling me you can build a time machine but you can't cook a cheese soufflé? You've got your priorities all wrong!
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< 1347408178 638304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a new irritating near-ultrasound in my room and it disappears when i turn off the laptop :(
< 1347408234 744909 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its not your laptop but your laptop makes it happen?
< 1347408261 23007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it
< 1347408271 989667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s difficult to pinpoint the sound
< 1347408275 96701 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1347408323 493094 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :use your tricorder
< 1347408331 804811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat :P
< 1347408405 853181 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm ok ok .. maybe what you need is a microphone which can detect this noise
< 1347408426 361179 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :imsaguy
< 1347408427 83639 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fry some stereocilia
< 1347408430 750957 :imsaguy!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
< 1347408453 672414 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the microphone needs a way to be tracked within space
< 1347408474 786482 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can sweep the microphone around the room and create a map of the noise levels
< 1347408590 674879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the sound has always been there, and i just now noticed it...
< 1347408596 344654 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :files the issue as resolved on redmine
< 1347408629 172242 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: highly unlikely
< 1347408638 424667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er perhaps it's resonating with something in the room of the new housemate
< 1347408644 496953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*or
< 1347408649 380987 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmmmmm i will say this much
< 1347408672 268295 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mum's radio... occasionally it has some specific interference
< 1347408707 421101 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds almost like a decreasing frequency like pee-eooooOOOOOOOOOWWWW
< 1347408728 633642 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my onomatopoeia probably doesn't help
< 1347408797 453808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sound resembles slightly the sound of glasses vibrating while they touch, but much weaker (and i checked the kitchen)
< 1347408813 788158 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im so bad at conversation
< 1347408841 375656 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway.. it seems that the revealed facts are 1) that it correlates with the on-ness of your laptop
< 1347408856 722287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the strength changes greatly when i turn my head
< 1347408885 713826 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its not actually from your laptop right?
< 1347408895 146933 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you took your laptop outside it would go away
< 1347408895 657275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot tell for sure
< 1347408904 185190 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc
< 1347408924 534977 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1347408932 263964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _does_ seem strongest next to the fan, although the usual fan sound overwhelms it
< 1347408982 984339 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to eavesdrop on walls, what i saw on tv is that the best solution is a thin paper cup
< 1347408992 942219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1347408994 863173 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something of that sort
< 1347409141 778529 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :your theory about housemate's room sounds the best
< 1347409205 66881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it doesn't actually get stronger toward that wall
< 1347409308 486202 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you should try standing on different sides of doors, with the laptop in different locations
< 1347409314 433978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lifted it and now it's started that clicking it sometimes does again
< 1347409322 550957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1347409338 743987 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost like a game of clue/cluedo
< 1347409709 908913 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between Clue and Cluedo
< 1347409717 970019 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, people here know about Magic the Gathering being TC?
< 1347409735 140907 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo does, but I don't.
< 1347409748 766607 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I mentioned it earlier today.
< 1347409766 698582 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Clue is the US name for Cluedo, IIRC.
< 1347410034 297395 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't percieve cluedo as entertaining
< 1347410244 417512 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically any game which ends up being about finding the most efficient algorithm, i find that whole view of gameplay very lifeless
< 1347410286 232555 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You must hate chess.
< 1347410294 747539 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume itidus20 wouldn't like BFJoust
< 1347410304 430883 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Although I wouldn't call that "finding an efficient algorithm"
< 1347410442 289170 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when a baseball player hits a homerun, i do like the fact that they run around the bases even though the other team can't do anything to them
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< 1347410779 492353 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think growing up i always expected games to have more to them
< 1347410801 737596 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering how big a part they are of international culture and all
< 1347410900 145615 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the universe itself dissapointed me in regards to games
< 1347410921 417091 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess similarly to the way that in the end matter turned out to be just atoms
< 1347410942 956139 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe particles is the word
< 1347411044 989098 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :memories and emotions turned out to be neurons
< 1347411075 162715 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything in this way is dull and dissapointing
< 1347411098 804598 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaddya mean, disappointing?
< 1347411113 183491 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you prefer a universe run by Ancient Greek physics?
< 1347411393 954856 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm.. brb making coffee
< 1347411488 528553 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a universe that doesn't actually behave in any way.
< 1347411886 529865 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ramblings of a depressed anxiouser
< 1347411903 553224 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was getting off topic though
< 1347411907 427806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if itidus20 would like nomic
< 1347411913 656092 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is games do behave in a specific way
< 1347411927 926591 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and humm
< 1347411942 104895 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummm
< 1347411957 582832 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the secret is that nothing needs to change except my point of view
< 1347411967 392731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very much not about finding an efficient algorithm :)
< 1347411991 22232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you happen to find a scam that requires one, of course
< 1347412048 458134 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think i hate chess itself, but more struggle with multiplayer games
< 1347412054 497265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<itidus20> oerjan: the secret is that nothing needs to change except my point of view <-- ah i've tried that.  and then my body starts protesting.
< 1347412065 94323 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1347412078 496671 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20, try Game of Life. It's a 0 player game!
< 1347412080 753987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something unbelievably irritating happens that destroys my patience to keep the change
< 1347412107 476570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very nice the first minutes, however.
< 1347412113 331328 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am unable to detach from real life while playing multiplayer games
< 1347412140 229378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably i'm doing it wrong somehow.
< 1347412191 576026 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :however there is something written somewhere about some important person who would lose his temper if he lost at chess
< 1347412197 584535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: ah there's a paradox then - single-player games have even more fixed rules (unless you're just making things up)
< 1347412225 924814 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my issue isn't even with the games, but with the socializing
< 1347412226 138292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so become even more about perfecting your algorithm
< 1347412274 195510 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its kinda like... if i would step out of your way on a street.. then i don't want to defeat you in a game
< 1347412285 128743 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1347412286 182374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20: i also have trouble with multiplayer games where i need to out-think other people to have any chance of winning
< 1347412297 754719 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :something screwy like that
< 1347412328 333231 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brother has been trying to help me with this
< 1347412350 939900 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :when we played some game he was like "if you don't defeat me i will kick your ass"
< 1347412351 490218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to respond something but got a pain in my heart, so i guess intuition doesn't want me to
< 1347412408 77969 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347412411 146323 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he has matured a lot since we were kids
< 1347412453 325498 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :he used to use the "if i hit reset i didnt lose" approach :D
< 1347412456 762893 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :on people
< 1347412544 878386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learns about ]p in vim
< 1347412549 84253 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uh.. i think in general i need to learn to be competitive
< 1347412579 698142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something tells me i've made haskell editing more painful without it...
< 1347412587 758980 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally one can't enjoy a game if one is not competitive...
< 1347412598 485117 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that is why i described them as dissapointing
< 1347412615 181075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.  i have sort of a moral disgust against being competitive.
< 1347412630 268421 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why do you win?
< 1347412655 317302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by playing reasonably well and having luck, i guess.
< 1347412669 11319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i play much these days.
< 1347412672 457150 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm
< 1347412701 372442 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i guess being competitive over a game of chance is silly
< 1347412746 609280 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-j
< 1347412748 195044 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's ]?
< 1347412750 109950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or by being so much smarter i don't _have_ to try that hard, occasionally.
< 1347412760 277179 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And itidus20 have you ever played Backgammon?
< 1347412767 785691 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a combination skill and luck game
< 1347412772 180960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ]p is like p, but adjusts indentation
< 1347412774 909089 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if that's the sort of game you'd like
< 1347412777 377566 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does p do?
< 1347412783 23050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastes
< 1347412799 171210 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i have revised my views... it seems that i am not dissapointed with the universe... 
< 1347412857 829097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am!
< 1347412865 916321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION crawls back under rock
< 1347412866 797694 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't get the maximum enjoyment from games because of reasons like not wanting to anger my opponent or not playing with a sense of competitiveness
< 1347412867 857888 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O wait how did I just change itidus20's mind?
< 1347412888 647623 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't trying to, or anything
< 1347412893 358302 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or disagreeing with anything
< 1347412923 840272 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :also.. i think i get impatient with losing
< 1347412979 46179 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a single player game that is
< 1347412986 861046 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure how i feel about losing in multiplayer
< 1347413119 851797 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i love to consider things like games being constituted of a combinatin of skill and luck... but i get worn out before i can analyze such ideas in full
< 1347413233 240914 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in Backgammon, each player rolls dice, which determines what moves they can make. Sometimes the dice might be unhelpful. However, there are usually choices.
< 1347413271 636890 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus, in an individual game, luck might play a large role, but in theory, it should even out, resulting in the more skilled player winning more often on average.
< 1347413277 467049 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is this document which was on a 486 machine i once spewed so much writing into... no idea what i wrote... and i lost it
< 1347413284 570955 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always wonder just what the hell i said
< 1347413719 640073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Turns out screen doesn't support non-BMP characters.
< 1347413777 97757 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i must kfc
< 1347413807 637 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried watching a peta page showing workers kicking live chickens but it wasn't enough to stop me
< 1347413823 276170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have kfc in australia?
< 1347413846 184633 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.. we have pizza hut, kfc, subway, mcdonalds, burgerking (as hungry jacks)
< 1347413885 918439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<itidus20> Sgeo: i love to consider things like games being constituted of a combinatin of skill and luck... but i get worn out before i can analyze such ideas in full
< 1347413903 178841 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can someone be so self-aware of all their problems and yet be totally unable to act upon them
< 1347413906 758002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean seriously
< 1347413911 904741 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you not thought
< 1347413935 223732 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"maybe i could stick at something and see if something interesting comes out of it"
< 1347413943 222070 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill reply within a few hours
< 1347413947 822183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it can't be much worse than what i do now"
< 1347413949 903621 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :kfc calls
< 1347414129 19059 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347415437 883127 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sucks :/
< 1347416418 898192 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1347416642 538376 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
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< 1347417334 291601 :meredithMM!~meredithM@176.92.143.134 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hey check out the newest mega uploaad style site at http://orfeas.civil.auth.gr/
< 1347417334 462630 :meredithMM!~meredithM@176.92.143.134 PART :#esoteric
< 1347417366 684167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1347417502 46353 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it'll also be closed by a court?
< 1347417624 831235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah it's in greece they cannot afford courts any more
< 1347417711 840991 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be closed by a tribunal of mules.
< 1347417725 692617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds kick-ass
< 1347418451 977605 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i should not have clicked that link
< 1347418454 232505 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i hacked now
< 1347418543 544021 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it all happened so fast i didnt even stop to look at which chatter posted it
< 1347418551 829387 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didnt click on it cos i was afk
< 1347418591 954707 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1347418694 947665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: U R HAX0R Y3S
< 1347418788 170963 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hacked by greek
< 1347418832 641864 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like an official govt domain
< 1347418840 834241 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they get hacked or did they just leave some internal app open due to stupid
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< 1347419062 68612 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: its possible that its legitimate right?
< 1347419150 834128 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1347419173 165024 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah it might be govt run honeypot site
< 1347419204 905416 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MEGA WAREZ UPLOAD SITE @ https://copyright.cybercrime.fbi.gov
< 1347419312 515615 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ip of meredithMM is in greece at least
< 1347419357 498982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is it really an upload site?
< 1347419367 939639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or looking like one
< 1347419384 789841 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda
< 1347419387 683688 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't look very long
< 1347419630 952227 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1347419642 772889 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that it was advertised by a bot doesn't necessarily mean it's bad
< 1347419659 831009 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does kind of imply something or other
< 1347419823 858068 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but theres this
< 1347419827 818179 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://4chandata.org/g/Hey--g--just-wrote-this-file-sharing-app-lets-you-transfer-files-behind-firewallrouters-etc-and-trying-to-crash-test-it-http--orfe-a2063
< 1347419912 386596 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347419988 824596 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... i mean.. i gotta stop posting
< 1347420225 957626 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That site doesn't look like "mega uploaad" at all.
< 1347421307 808471 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly it occurs to me that our senior project idea may be bad
< 1347421597 997688 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is?
< 1347421598 851719 :kmc_!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347421619 835328 :kmc_!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc
< 1347421621 974251 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc_
< 1347421626 739263 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1347421716 415593 :kmc_!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Client Quit
< 1347421738 236878 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1347421778 575962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347421880 248588 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc did you get my msg?
< 1347421907 555006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1347422046 844064 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-137-36.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347423360 910233 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.160.231 PART :#esoteric
< 1347423877 473415 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under what circumstances will email things such as gmail file away fake From headers as spam?
< 1347423887 108322 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I just sent a fake From, and it wasn't filed as spam
< 1347423923 44784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Sgeo did you get my msg?
< 1347423923 63868 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347423945 123927 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I can only assume that there was no such message
< 1347423945 178878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1347424026 394815 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1347424026 413794 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf asked 1m 43s ago: did you get my msg?
< 1347424050 73410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote Sgeo
< 1347424050 97593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. You speak an infinite deal of nothing
< 1347424387 466341 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Automatic mailers use fake From headers
< 1347424396 290827 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :...well, that happens to include automatic spam mailers
< 1347424685 416543 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote itidus
< 1347424685 443702 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. Wrong!  You cheating scum!
< 1347424688 835551 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote itidus21
< 1347424688 863289 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. It can only be attributed to human error.
< 1347424693 285836 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote itidus20
< 1347424693 313697 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. My mind is going. I can feel it.
< 1347424738 524200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote Jafet
< 1347424738 543411 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet says: In soviet russia, State safely executes you
< 1347424755 407098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote oerjan
< 1347424755 426451 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan says: i only do impractical things
< 1347424759 886053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a quote!
< 1347424769 382765 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote shachaf
< 1347424769 402695 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf says: Haskell's type system is the perfect mix of useless and stupid.
< 1347424774 337242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-(
< 1347424776 30155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1347424776 496665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1347424776 890480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1347424777 646086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1347424780 345727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote
< 1347424796 94832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi
< 1347424799 441545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls
< 1347424803 963479 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :9) <Madelon> Lil`Cube: you had cavity searches? <Lil`Cube> not yet <Lil`Cube> trying to thou, just so I can check it off on my list of things to expirence
< 1347424814 26774 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1347424830 422053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What!
< 1347424837 961016 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :588) <ais523> if all my Facebook friends were to visit a page, it wouldn't make any difference at all
< 1347424838 378304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote dons
< 1347424838 405541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dons says: that's 3 things i've never seen in the one sentence before: my assembler .. a bunch of type classes .. a natural syntax
< 1347424842 250466 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :693) <oerjan> well, i have to assume if i'm going to make any asses
< 1347424844 440014 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :516) <monqy> this reminds me of a time where this guy made up a pretend language that was in his fantasy world and then roleplayed as someone from his fantasy world who used the language and then tried to talk to me about the language
< 1347424846 171798 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :200) <elliott> oerjan: What, can girls aim their penises better?
< 1347424848 441844 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs
< 1347424890 323480 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the quotes must have been cleaned up
< 1347424945 607414 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au NICK :itidus21
< 1347425026 831937 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-137-36.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1347425172 463 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote tidus
< 1347425177 369762 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :435) <itidus20> to assume that someone can be described by a rule without exception... is to assume they are omnipotent  <oklopol> for instance stones are omnipotent, as they don't do anything, without exception \ 457) <itidus20> monqy: last night in my dreams I saw a false photo album of my childhood... looking ghostly \ 458) <monqy> itidus20: i saw a dancing cgi skeleton named malaria. i danced and played with him.
< 1347425205 67919 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird
< 1347425216 455843 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh i see
< 1347425222 245689 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote vs `quote
< 1347425222 264967 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes for this person. You speak an infinite deal of nothing
< 1347426132 435129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found for "get high and watch bill nye".
< 1347426134 590141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can this be?!?
< 1347426150 863130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't know anything about science!" Bill denied.
< 1347426177 334001 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog bill nye
< 1347426203 424844 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably used the wrong thing
< 1347426208 481577 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.22233
< 1347426249 373205 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog hackego
< 1347426255 84883 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.18732
< 1347426430 791449 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`esolang brainfuck
< 1347426433 427248 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: esolang: not found
< 1347426442 620050 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :deprecated!
< 1347426527 42757 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1347426567 456179 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`zalgo.hs
< 1347426570 350792 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: zalgo.hs: not found
< 1347426710 61486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wiki brainfuck
< 1347426713 42118 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wiki: not found
< 1347426721 54436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show
< 1347426729 907956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fungot :(
< 1347426736 914385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin
< 1347426740 777200 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ @ \ No \ WELCOME \ WeLcOmE \ addquote \ allquotes \ anonlog \ calc \ define \ delquote \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ google \ hatesgeo \ joustreport \ jousturl \ json \ k \ karma \ karma+ \ karma- \ learn \ log \ logurl \ macro \ maketext \ marco \ paste \ pastefortunes \ pastekarma \ pastelog \ pastelogs \ pastenquotes \ pastequotes \ pastewisdom \ pastlog \ ping \ prefixes \ qc \ quachaf \ quoerjan
< 1347426757 404500 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1347426762 900946 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log bill nye
< 1347426763 415295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin | tail
< 1347426778 377786 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-09-12.txt:05:02:12: <kmc> No results found for "get high and watch bill nye".
< 1347426781 973036 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :translatefromto \ translateto \ units \ url \ welcome \ wl \ word \ words \ wtf \ WELCOME
< 1347426802 700956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin | paste
< 1347426806 350414 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.29921
< 1347426834 983678 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME
< 1347426839 153732 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIK
< 1347426865 351190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quoerjan
< 1347426868 773501 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :7) <oerjan> what, you mean that wasn't your real name? <Warrigal> Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that. \ 18) <fungot> oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! \ 21) <oerjan> In an alternate universe, ehird has taste \ 22) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: <oerjan> In an alternate
< 1347426870 822121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quachaf
< 1347426874 796041 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :575) <shachaf> elliott: GHC bug? Come on, it's the parentheses.  <shachaf> The more parentheses you add, the closer it is to LISP, and therefore the more dynamically-typed. \ 618) <shachaf> Real Tar is GNU tar.  <shachaf> You just ignore whichever features don't make you feel superior enough. \ 652) <shachaf> VMS Mosaic?  <shachaf> I hope that's not Mosaic ported to VMS.  <shachaf> Hmm. It's Mosaic ported to VMS.
< 1347427020 367864 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quoerjandom
< 1347427023 720189 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :842) < oerjan> Gregor: hey no fair doing ungoogleable citations
< 1347427152 603385 :Eladith!~eladith@gzrrplox.kortex.jyu.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving
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< 1347427607 665837 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I officially fucking hate Pusher
< 1347427690 128095 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pusher is a hosted API for quickly, easily and securely adding scalable realtime functionality to web and mobile apps.
< 1347427691 860388 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347427709 475687 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pusher is a hosted API for quickly, easily and securely adding scalable realtime functionality to web and mobile apps.
< 1347427713 932912 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1347427736 474326 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and it doesn't work in the Android browser unless Flash is installed.
< 1347427784 558908 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a hosted API?
< 1347427836 197991 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure that i want to know the answer to the question i just asked
< 1347427861 763176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a very hostile question
< 1347427905 479882 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1347427927 898757 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds highly dubious
< 1347428059 688445 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Note that the standard actually discourages developers from using Application Extension Blocks, and instead recommends that they embed the GIF format in their own file formats"
< 1347428070 548219 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why have them at all?
< 1347428289 230073 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure that i want to know the answer to the question i just asked.. 
< 1347428317 288294 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a hosted API is one where you send messages to a server somewhere and it responds
< 1347428337 589810 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah.. sort of like an alternative name for web services eh
< 1347428340 421950 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than accessing it by using a library on the computer you're using the API on
< 1347428342 624889 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be wrong
< 1347428352 584396 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not pissed at the hosted nature.
< 1347428374 354688 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pissed at the client-side Javascript library being poorly thought out.
< 1347428388 3121 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a way that actually has a real impact on users.
< 1347428405 231818 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pusher says they'll take care of all the compatibility stuff, but they lie
< 1347429359 206492 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@sgeo http://geektyrant.com/storage/2011-post-images/pusher-remake-trailer.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1329273428443
< 1347429359 271202 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list
< 1347429489 461335 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ricecooker.kerbau.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/2010_03_pusher_cd-570x570-300x300.png
< 1347429554 802074 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think its only a matter of time now for gif to become flash
< 1347430019 582418 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really think that
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< 1347437296 64492 :ntshan!~neil@z65-182-57-105.ips.direcpath.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347437448 854932 :ntshan!~neil@z65-182-57-105.ips.direcpath.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Scala considered esoteric?
< 1347437469 786667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you consider it esoteric?
< 1347437496 636861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You, ntshan, have the power.
< 1347437502 349627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's keep lining things up.
< 1347437526 582928 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn esoteric
< 1347437527 579097 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "esoteric" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1347437527 607188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric
< 1347437527 607354 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    adj 1: confined to and understandable by only an enlightened
< 1347437527 635213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           inner circle; "a compilation of esoteric philosophical
< 1347437527 635391 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           theories" [ant: {exoteric}]
< 1347437553 728688 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So brainfuck hackers are enlightened?
< 1347437630 756216 :ntshan!~neil@z65-182-57-105.ips.direcpath.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh well...adoption is increasing (scala)
< 1347437856 666508 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The biggest lie in computing is the idea that there exists any library anywhere that is not an utter piece of garbage.
< 1347438052 610001 :ntshan!~neil@z65-182-57-105.ips.direcpath.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :disagree...a fair amount of my dev experience is not reinventing the wheel
< 1347438847 176273 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347438886 75184 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1347439144 411470 :ntshan!~neil@z65-182-57-105.ips.direcpath.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1347439957 25750 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: so following your last night discussion about backgammon, I think you might like Orwell Chess: http://www.chessvariants.org/large.dir/contest84/orwellchess.html
< 1347439977 430752 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a three-player variant on a cylindric board, using dice
< 1347440115 624609 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came across it a couple years ago but never had an opportunity to play
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< 1347440826 394874 :ntshan!~neil@z65-182-57-105.ips.direcpath.com PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1347442714 692500 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347445228 466873 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is ais523's turing machine controversial?
< 1347447402 560596 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org NICK :kallisti
< 1347447733 562358 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-193-122.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it needs another machine to prep it I think?
< 1347447740 992659 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-193-122.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what I remember
< 1347447745 498327 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-193-122.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a non-TC one
< 1347447852 797470 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347449433 380647 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.160.231 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347449903 874006 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347450168 353942 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find the idea of finite things even more bizzare than infinite things
< 1347450217 321051 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sitting on a finite chair and it serves its purpose just fine
< 1347450301 299233 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is constituted of a potentially infinite number of parts
< 1347450329 699508 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :each seemingly either bigger or smaller
< 1347450404 127545 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer to think of it as "just a chair"
< 1347451247 889127 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-137-36.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347453001 197640 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133E39.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347453668 114654 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347453884 998041 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1347455498 185267 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347455515 375040 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1347457588 674795 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347457864 192788 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347458387 268364 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347458645 151247 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1347459993 220312 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> range &>:.:_@
< 1347459994 5959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  <no location info>: parse error on input `@'
< 1347460422 321103 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133E39.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]
< 1347461809 504087 :Canaimero-f8c!~usuario-n@200.82.151.141 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347461832 391588 :Canaimero-f8c!~usuario-n@200.82.151.141 PART :#esoteric
< 1347462081 126189 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erk, so close
< 1347462093 466824 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to make a truth-machine in Another Pi Language
< 1347462130 316525 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program is 32-bit long and I found the first 17 bits in the decimals of pi
< 1347462139 114721 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in the binary digits of pi
< 1347462159 665176 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at position 30800ish
< 1347462317 691300 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I found the first 22 bits on a webpage that had more digits (though did not number them so I have no idea of the position)
< 1347462340 823518 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 more bits and that would be the first Another Pi Language program!!
< 1347462620 187566 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13387E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347463027 306242 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1347468330 52336 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347468498 909083 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird,  properDivs x = nub $ init $ map (foldr (*) 1) $ subsequences $ primeFactors x  doesn't work once you get rid of the x
< 1347468702 910691 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: over 10**13 digits of pi have been calculated
< 1347468708 469512 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you hvae plenty to look through
< 1347468712 52365 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :have*
< 1347468736 632456 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I need to find a web page with enough binary digits
< 1347468804 789695 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first page I looked into had only 32000ish and I found a 17bit sequence in it; the second had way more digits and I found a 22bits sequence in it, but I don't know how many digits there were exactly
< 1347468859 934083 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming the binary digits really are random, I should probably calculate an how many digits I need to find my 32bit sequence with reasonable probabilities.
< 1347468933 322057 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The search string "0123456789" was not found in the first 2,000,000,000 decimal digits of Pi."
< 1347469082 212464 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and 10^10 and 2^32 are about the same
< 1347469093 911785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ask Google. "0123456789 occurs at 6214876462", from MathWorld.
< 1347469151 539736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's not the number you care about.
< 1347469259 218519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_are_the_digits_0123456789_in_pi "Best answer" "There are no 0s in pi" riiight.
< 1347469275 488359 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess I need the first 40 000 000 000 binary digits
< 1347469353 309875 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sequence I'm searching for is 0110 0001 1100 1110 1111 1101 1100 1110
< 1347469366 530203 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or 61CEFDCE in hexadecimal)
< 1347469367 127848 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347469494 573299 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pi.nersc.gov/cgi-bin/pi.cgi?word=61CEFDCE&format=hex *waiting*
< 1347469507 616199 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :string does not occur in first 4 billion binary digits of pi 
< 1347469523 529354 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well I said I needed the first 40 billions!
< 1347469581 96523 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh great it found the first 28 bits
< 1347469588 978899 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pi.nersc.gov/cgi-bin/pi.cgi?word=61CEFDC&format=hex
< 1347469589 659937 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first (decimal) zero is surprisingly far into pi, position 32 or whatever it is
< 1347469614 457136 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 32 when you have 1/10 doesn't see so far does it?
< 1347469638 946249 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm unfortunately my program doesn't work without the last 4 bits
< 1347469652 57889 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I've been wondering... what's with the limes on the wiki?
< 1347469811 178696 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's not at all surprising, 0's occur in pi at rate 1/32. the proof doesn't fit in this irc message but i'm sure you can work it out.
< 1347469811 835590 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :search string (61CEFDC) found at binary index =  2869529096 
< 1347469832 519172 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha oklopol
< 1347469848 320671 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to use that argument to "prove" a joke language Turing-complete
< 1347469883 925969 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is anything fits on a wiki page :(
< 1347469919 405775 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup that's why it's still not proven TC :(
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< 1347471212 993855 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347471428 927912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347471539 732080 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1347471559 349789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...at the precise moment i was planning to go early to bed in order to aim for a normal sleeping cycle next week, a housemate enters the house with a half dozen friends.
< 1347471592 249380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the _first_ time since he moved in.
< 1347471616 484056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the universe wants me to miss next week's appointment.
< 1347471636 412053 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so about this appointment
< 1347471639 211152 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what appointment
< 1347471641 189045 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello oerjan
< 1347471652 587647 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you participating in the beer drinking and friending it up
< 1347471685 137330 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why do you have a housemate and how many housemates do you have and what's their name and what are all these questions
< 1347471780 859441 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B13387E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]
< 1347471793 939352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are two housemates, i think their names are jürgen (he's german) and sondre.
< 1347471808 906297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have them because my landlady wants money.
< 1347471817 895432 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :greedy bitch
< 1347471845 732862 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347471866 446292 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would just stop paying out of spite. you should pay how much you *want* to pay, not how much *the man* tells you to pay.
< 1347472165 4034 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347472181 21921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should go down well.
< 1347472592 780145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<FreeFull> Weird,  properDivs x = nub $ init $ map (foldr (*) 1) $ subsequences $ primeFactors x  doesn't work once you get rid of the x
< 1347472615 446307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to replace the $'s by .'s as well, if that's your problem
< 1347472797 69013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t primeFactors
< 1347472797 871278 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `primeFactors'
< 1347472929 550866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map product . mapM (scanl (*) 1) . group . sort $ [2,2,3,5,5]
< 1347472931 387969 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [1,5,25,3,15,75,2,10,50,6,30,150,4,20,100,12,60,300]
< 1347472982 426181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :avoids the duplicates
< 1347473346 257190 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-239-99.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347473416 986584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<jiella> so I've been wondering... what's with the limes on the wiki? <-- the former wiki admin wanted a pretty picture, and found one on the internet (formerly on wikimedia iirc).  nothing more to it.  (i tried to make a pun out of it and it went horribly wrong.)
< 1347473492 27295 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's to prevent the wiki from getting scurvy
< 1347473504 239053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1347473505 191549 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it doesn't eat any cabbage
< 1347473543 795977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to be right, absolutely no cabbage on the wiki
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< 1347474033 474457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr
< 1347474033 530439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeh scurvy dog...
< 1347474060 15890 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347474091 492479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o
< 1347474096 951033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how did you do that.
< 1347474110 145898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr
< 1347474110 165762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye Aye Cap'n
< 1347474151 846704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Would you believe it's luck?
< 1347474162 653943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_possibly_.
< 1347474175 208503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once convinced someone in #haskell that lambdabot's @slap had a special-case that would always refuse to @slap me.
< 1347474191 609860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "> @"
< 1347474192 476496 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "> @"
< 1347474202 349288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord <$> "> @"
< 1347474203 181450 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [62,32,64]
< 1347474206 820162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1347474214 67216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!echo (test)
< 1347474216 468093 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​(test)
< 1347474231 824042 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think @yarr doesn't have a lot of possibilities, so it's not *that* unlikely that pure luck gives something relevant
< 1347474240 661706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord <$> "> ​("
< 1347474241 524205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  <no location info>:
< 1347474241 542696 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     lexical error in string/character literal at chara...
< 1347474245 831142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr
< 1347474245 862930 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want me grog!
< 1347474246 327313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr
< 1347474246 346452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll keel haul ya fer that!
< 1347474247 173001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr
< 1347474247 192083 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :May the clap make ye incapable of Cracking Jenny's Tea Cup.
< 1347474247 691411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr
< 1347474247 710468 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well me 'earties, let's see what crawled out of the bung hole...
< 1347474248 294793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr
< 1347474248 313420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeh scurvy dog...
< 1347474250 853998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr
< 1347474250 873018 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smartly me lass
< 1347474253 342159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr
< 1347474253 360951 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shiver me timbers!
< 1347474255 884372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr
< 1347474255 903479 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What be a priate's favourite cheese?
< 1347474255 921975 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yarrlsburg!
< 1347474271 100136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok the only way i could think of that you might have cheated wasn't right :P
< 1347474290 302161 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yarrlsburg :D
< 1347474295 958363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ignore + oerjan
< 1347474326 627954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2+2
< 1347474336 448800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then
< 1347474350 152264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i cannot prove you didn't use that method.
< 1347474362 678576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ignore - oerjan
< 1347474368 219841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2+2
< 1347474369 32605 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  4
< 1347474389 966923 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@v
< 1347474389 996978 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\"#$%&'()*+,\""
< 1347474403 78373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@brain
< 1347474403 97294 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, Brain, but pants with horizontal stripes make me look chubby.
< 1347474425 484072 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did PEZ become ESME?
< 1347474449 987330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: mutation.
< 1347474488 118597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ESME well be assumed.
< 1347475577 66346 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Pusher was written in ESME
< 1347475584 434681 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :</insulting-pusher-excessively>
< 1347475596 746398 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1347475600 852307 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ESME is a language?
< 1347475698 85158 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. It's a "language".
< 1347475705 405009 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a pun fail there too, hmm? I've already made some embarrisingly bad puns out of the lime thingy
< 1347475727 567238 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't dignify it by putting it in the same category as PHP and COBOL.
< 1347475746 300256 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't think of any puns related to limes, how do you do it?
< 1347475746 654968 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not the PHP of Esolangs, that's an insult to PHP.
< 1347475768 802150 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esme
< 1347475772 385469 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :insults to PHP are generally considered a good thing though
< 1347475784 619189 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the thing is though that every time I read something on the wiki, I get the stupid lime & coconut song stuck in my head
< 1347475846 459976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you just need to do some sublime thinking
< 1347475857 332869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was the pun that went horribly wrong btw)
< 1347475869 92306 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :jiella: if you ask nicely, can probably get elliott to make the wiki play lime in the coconut in the background
< 1347475904 425156 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If an esolang is like the speech of a vapid person, Esme makes Snooki's talking sound like a PhD thesis.
< 1347475927 860262 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so maybe I shouldn't insult people in my attempt to make fun of Esme.
< 1347475956 571396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just what esme does to you.
< 1347475993 93200 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: aww, yours was about sublime too :(
< 1347476000 854198 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel so unoriginal now
< 1347476019 809264 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, read of Esme and weep
< 1347476046 323967 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: noooo, I think I'll manage
< 1347476059 67882 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the perl example though, it has an inkling of something very horrible
< 1347476215 751552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :jiella: blimey!
< 1347476249 144008 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__, what if snooki reads this
< 1347476264 378348 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1347476264 719640 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she would... probably be happy that she's still relevant to some people
< 1347476350 559248 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1347476908 752887 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the pun that if all the content in the wiki is under a lime then it's a sublime wiki
< 1347476925 934414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.
< 1347476960 202738 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347477011 668313 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-56.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347477264 193327 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that was indeed a bad pun
< 1347477422 80519 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad puns are the best though
< 1347477441 818250 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :errr, sort of
< 1347477553 962906 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's just me
< 1347477653 972636 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133295.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347478072 233839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S NOT JUST YOU
< 1347478203 603049 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1347478451 425553 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347478753 420708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the department of suspiciously specific spam: a spambot was advertising a way to smoke that !doesn't contain 4000 chemicals"
< 1347478756 262929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/!/"/
< 1347478834 761103 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347479547 95889 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, hi. What's the controversy surrounding your UTM>
< 1347479548 361069 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1347479771 647971 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages?
< 1347479771 706653 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today.
< 1347479798 384847 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell atriq not to be sad
< 1347479798 403691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347479810 725646 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1347479810 744735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd said 12s ago: not to be sad
< 1347479816 137652 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no!
< 1347479817 503378 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: primeFactors is part of Data.Numbers.Primes
< 1347480045 617086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1347480071 914614 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan. have you done some more mario programming at last?
< 1347480094 245867 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any results you can share?
< 1347480119 695433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not since this morning no.  it doesn't interest me _that_ much.  i'm currently looking at jolverine.
< 1347480132 914698 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1347480397 367164 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is oerjan writing his own mario game
< 1347480425 483212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i "fixed" the truth machine for MarioLANG
< 1347480890 864507 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-56.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1347481598 169310 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, a lot of my truth-machines should be taken with a grain of salt
< 1347481959 154050 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grrr.
< 1347481977 344816 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote them while over-excited and probably bored and tired
< 1347481986 174895 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, oerjan, any idea what the game referenced in Darths & Droids 775 is?
< 1347482018 889787 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah
< 1347482026 625024 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The forum doesn't have a clue either
< 1347482050 327547 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly Star Trek?
< 1347482077 400808 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can think of exactly one named pilot in Star Trek.
< 1347482083 674619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can't remember what his name actually was.
< 1347482124 482519 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Checkov, Sulu...
< 1347482156 487135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pilots are usually named "Pilot"
< 1347482160 694710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION deliberately misinterprets
< 1347482197 145893 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, wait I thought only one of them was a pilot.
< 1347482204 168153 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know!
< 1347482206 103968 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah!
< 1347482216 124396 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also 'shellshocked pilot' makes it sound more like a fighter pilot.
< 1347482220 643696 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is what I was talking about.
< 1347482233 425126 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah
< 1347482250 289453 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-239-99.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1347482310 827266 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and I this shuttle set is built out of a repurposed ferengi shuttle set
< 1347482324 46313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Lost_ is the only show I know of where the pilot is titled "Pilot" but this also works as a normal episode title
< 1347482329 269705 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or repainted more than repurposed, perhaps
< 1347482346 760068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Seinfeld_ had an episode called "The Pilot" in season 4
< 1347482349 876036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's, like, meta, man
< 1347482369 701471 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it refers to that pilot?
< 1347482395 735405 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, (the named pilot I was talking about was the guy who Ezri investigates the death of in a DS9 episode.)
< 1347482409 914457 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a huge star trek fan, I'm afraid
< 1347482419 766474 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, I've watched the newest movie and maybe two episodes?
< 1347482429 930377 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be afraid, star trek is nice
< 1347482429 993692 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch ds9! ds9 is good
< 1347482432 947413 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just ask olsner 
< 1347482446 292508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :star trek, isn't that for nerds or something
< 1347482467 408759 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1347482469 642323 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefly?
< 1347482489 623083 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes!
< 1347482524 710397 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reluctant doctor = Simon Tam, pilot = Wash, shellshocked pilot = River Tam, nurse = oh dear I don't know
< 1347482538 602971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhh
< 1347482544 243380 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know very little of firefly
< 1347482550 208148 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has fencing
< 1347482551 402112 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fighting
< 1347482553 105645 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Revenge
< 1347482556 887091 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Escapes
< 1347482559 35787 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True love
< 1347482565 226528 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not many miracles
< 1347482581 62466 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the comic was about a game? not a sci fi series?
< 1347482590 429565 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was under the impression that river tam mostly just kicked people and ticked boxes on whedon's list of fetishes
< 1347482599 596466 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1347482612 217195 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :She became the pilot at the end of the movie after spoilers happened
< 1347482612 559038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how many seasons firefly could have run before becoming shitty
< 1347482643 752444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the film basically demonstrates the hypothetical viability of a second season
< 1347482649 3334 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond that, idk
< 1347482712 673636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, D&D has this running joke where the characters reference other roleplaying games they've played.
< 1347482734 437972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they're all real-world films or TV shows or whatever.
< 1347482742 504139 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1347482747 779098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first one was Princess Bride and I think they just rolled with it.
< 1347482765 571978 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it was a mash of Twilight and Van Helsing
< 1347482778 262821 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably
< 1347482803 696653 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :twilight? wasn't that ages after your last d&d game?
< 1347482823 102726 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION only knows that twilight movies
< 1347482823 442268 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1347482832 1117 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're talking about the webcomic Darths and Droids
< 1347482845 79001 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw
< 1347483518 588716 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what would be cool?
< 1347483532 713809 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A program that translated Turing machines into turing-complete languages
< 1347483537 834358 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And possibly vice versa
< 1347483938 119157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
< 1347484324 300571 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347484338 912150 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any way a scammer could get a .gov address?
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< 1347484373 861514 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guess probably
< 1347484384 168151 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd also guess
< 1347484386 601500 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight
< 1347484387 629539 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-227.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1347484402 774538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the US government is the largest employer in the USA
< 1347484433 610281 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We got mail claiming to be a survey from the Dept. of Education
< 1347484438 648058 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad says it sounds fishy
< 1347484452 595333 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It mentions a .gov address, and said address does in fact mention a survey
< 1347484487 515103 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :judging by what we've heard about your school, there is obviously no dept. of education where you are
< 1347484492 269926 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they want any confidential info
< 1347484501 514875 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvious scam
< 1347484586 455372 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First name, age, gender, schooling of 5 youngest children under 20
< 1347484685 767727 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1347484830 786329 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was also a $5 bill enclosed
< 1347484844 633465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1347484848 275908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds fishy
< 1347484855 783430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it a crisp $5 bill or like
< 1347484859 369915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ratty one with drugs stains
< 1347484860 735292 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crisp
< 1347484890 378164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if gravatar has code to avoid generating swastikas
< 1347484894 374011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they sometimes get pretty close anyway
< 1347485033 157548 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A counterfeit-detection pen costs ~ $4.29
< 1347485044 331583 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my dad wants one now that he know it exists
< 1347485050 168721 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1347485057 576500 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody is going to counterfit fives anyway
< 1347485059 280149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's funny
< 1347485092 233509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked the thing i saw on CSI (which probably happens irl) where you bleach a real $5 and then print a counterfeit $20 on it
< 1347485102 144263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it has the real paper
< 1347485110 602213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't do this with Euro notes because the more valuable ones are bigger
< 1347485132 36181 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Poland, 5zł is a coin
< 1347485482 861157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1347485512 915974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's less than €2 though
< 1347485530 710328 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it'll buy you about 5 beers
< 1347485535 643257 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more
< 1347485604 787981 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at the rules for use of US currency imagery
< 1347485614 175123 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[Window Title]
< 1347485614 357017 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft Windows
< 1347485614 376033 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Main Instruction]
< 1347485614 376215 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close programs to prevent information loss
< 1347485614 376321 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Content]
< 1347485615 24132 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your computer is low on memory. Save your files and close these programs:
< 1347485616 729946 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Chrome
< 1347485618 779298 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Close program] [Cancel]
< 1347485620 697055 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Footer]
< 1347485624 780719 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops
< 1347485632 411817 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all negatives, plates, positives, digitized storage medium, graphic files, magnetic medium, optical storage devices and any other thing used in the making of the illustration that contain an image of the illustration or any part thereof are destroyed and/or deleted or erased after their final use."
< 1347485672 901524 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird that I was literally able to copy/paste a dialog box
< 1347485696 88804 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's always been supported, it's a neat feature
< 1347485864 974653 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways... the destruction of magnetic media
< 1347485866 508512 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O
< 1347485898 761759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense
< 1347485902 38177 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, just the files, or the entire drive?
< 1347485904 45617 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard drives are cheap compared to the risk
< 1347485908 358899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the whole drive
< 1347485939 678183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to physically destroy files with confidence otherwise
< 1347485966 459023 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "erased" too
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< 1347485981 506196 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So physical destruction isn't required, apparently
< 1347485990 453955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1347485991 515408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame
< 1347485999 467324 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"any other thing" ... sounds like you have to destroy/delete/erase the internet if you download the imagery
< 1347486123 849141 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least the parts of the internet that came in contact with some part of the illustration
< 1347486168 17812 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUAHAHA
< 1347486559 104838 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad things happen if you take things too literally
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< 1347491106 796591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: If gravity was "used" in the making (for example, to keep people on the floor), you have to destroy it.
< 1347491147 454855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, "that contain an image or any part". Aw.
< 1347491177 223145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, presumably they destroyed all computers and such that had the image in RAM.
< 1347492795 759050 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133295.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427]
< 1347492797 316222 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: lime puns are lame
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< 1347498081 366413 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I be mad at Pusher for not supporting the Android browser, or Google for making the Android browser not support websockets
< 1347498168 722381 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should do a careful reconsideration of whether pusher is right for you
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< 1347500541 938560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask your doctor if pusher is right for you
< 1347500690 840642 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Are you telling me you can build a time machine but you can't cook a cheese soufflé? You've got your priorities all wrong!
< 1347500802 371584 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not.
< 1347500815 68626 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's websocket based, and the only fallback is Flash-based.
< 1347500832 941928 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, a site built using Pusher won't be accessible on Android
< 1347500841 287566 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to know who deserves more of the blame.
< 1347500900 284602 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a little long-polling thing in PHP
< 1347500921 20689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks
< 1347500925 240662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't they fall back to longpolling
< 1347500932 87569 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if it will meet my needs, especially since the only way I can think of to make it work is to hit the hard drive a lot, and we're sort of wanting to do a real-time thing
< 1347501006 785733 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey I found an alternative to pusher
< 1347501026 27288 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it called shover?
< 1347501134 806819 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pubnub.com
< 1347501142 655869 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed opportunity there
< 1347501316 533936 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be more expensive though :(
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< 1347512965 615868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the 2A03 audio output can be used for something in the Famicom cartridge other than mixing the audio?
< 1347513038 784511 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: out of all possible replys, i chose the meta-reply
< 1347513633 997838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of what?
< 1347513663 883111 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm.... hmmm hmm
< 1347513687 846008 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i considered saying i had let my blood sugar slip low and what i ate to recover it
< 1347513726 613784 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it didnt seem to be very contributative to the 2a03 topic
< 1347514203 193735 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would happen if trying to use the analog signal as a digital signal?
< 1347514881 37797 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does generate square waves at specified periods and duty.
< 1347514897 909897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And possibly in combination with CPU clock to do something?
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< 1347526008 289848 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :<!-- mr. speaker, what i have to say in reply to the leader of the opposition mr. speaker is that the current crisis was the result of the policies of the opposition party, mr. speaker and we have a mandate from the elbonian people to correct the mistakes of the opposition mr. speaker-->
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< 1347526079 150077 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure you said mr. speaker enough
< 1347526711 543146 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :heres a random sample http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3QiwaU3CMM
< 1347526714 493708 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes i do
< 1347528743 349987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [ 1 | True ]
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< 1347528753 185855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
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< 1347533610 871297 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1347543639 710216 :heroux_!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl NICK :heroux
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< 1347548968 532413 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347548994 198984 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages?
< 1347548994 376773 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today.
< 1347549077 34706 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-134-34.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1347550034 784577 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell atriq hi
< 1347550034 957014 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347550068 256902 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb
< 1347550073 407119 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I will never be atriq again!
< 1347550084 992791 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb hi
< 1347550085 178686 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347550090 984236 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net NICK :Ngevd
< 1347550092 4398 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah
< 1347550098 360186 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Ngevd hi
< 1347550098 566824 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347550104 40078 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-134-34.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1347550135 905508 :Ngevd!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb|Hovercraft
< 1347550149 329411 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb|Hovercraft hi
< 1347550149 499621 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347550154 994894 :Taneb|Hovercraft!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb|Kindle
< 1347550159 603242 :Taneb|Kindle!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm running out of nicks
< 1347550168 178094 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :muahahahaha
< 1347550173 638478 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell Taneb|Kindle hi
< 1347550179 535036 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb|Kindle hi
< 1347550179 711818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347550183 134427 :Taneb|Kindle!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb|Away
< 1347550199 783132 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb|Away come back friend!
< 1347550199 951878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347550204 426780 :Taneb|Away!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net NICK :ettioll
< 1347550211 251065 :ettioll!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why I still have this one
< 1347550221 755965 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ettioll thats not how you spell elliott
< 1347550221 959565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347550227 415157 :ettioll!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net NICK :noqmy
< 1347550230 755434 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ditto
< 1347550244 421317 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell noqmy hi
< 1347550244 764065 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347550251 638902 :noqmy!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net NICK :RocketKSquirrel
< 1347550264 919891 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell RocketKSquirrel his middle name is J
< 1347550265 262310 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347550272 304852 :RocketKSquirrel!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net NICK :quitopib
< 1347550282 191518 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quitopib i give up
< 1347550282 534664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347550288 212060 :quitopib!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net NICK :atriq
< 1347550292 133725 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear-messages
< 1347550292 305938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages cleared.
< 1347550293 670481 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So do I
< 1347550377 64319 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll leave all the others
< 1347550389 118318 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be fun if I ever use most of those nicks again
< 1347550483 491335 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask atriq why not have fun in the PRESENT MOMENT?
< 1347550483 662829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347550500 658938 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia Because that would be silly.
< 1347550500 828746 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347550513 514520 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi atriq 
< 1347550513 855603 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1347550517 980144 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1347550518 834012 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi quintopia
< 1347550519 5716 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1347550521 222024 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a message for moi?
< 1347550524 970443 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O
< 1347550526 904993 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ditto
< 1347550530 995868 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1347550531 168069 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq said 30s ago: Because that would be silly.
< 1347550534 934522 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1347550535 109824 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia asked 51s ago: why not have fun in the PRESENT MOMENT?
< 1347550539 538268 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw you really do like me!
< 1347550578 14746 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-136-241.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347550606 956818 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
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< 1347551034 12831 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-2-136-241.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1347551083 243713 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347551091 474094 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1347551194 536630 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi tim
< 1347551218 500194 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should change my nickname sometime
< 1347551230 886899 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :to what
< 1347551240 455914 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :something else
< 1347551242 173526 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sorceror"
< 1347551561 3899 :david_werecat!~david_wer@nat-vlan10.algonquincollege.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1347551798 508650 :david_werecat!~david_wer@nat-vlan10.algonquincollege.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347552628 89390 :nortti|!nortti@ie.freebnc.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1347552883 580672 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :WranglingWombat
< 1347553933 359949 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "TimTheEnchanter"
< 1347553966 647395 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe
< 1347553970 643656 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but too long
< 1347553993 550816 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :small but strong; that is what I want
< 1347554018 672148 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. I might just keep this one.
< 1347554223 155800 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go for the rot13 of your initials, plus an e randomly in the middle
< 1347554238 89716 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, my initials are N. G. v D., with an e, that's ngevd.
< 1347554242 720346 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 ngevd
< 1347554244 426700 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq
< 1347554254 967280 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? A really good nick!
< 1347554262 504229 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, aren't they N. G. E. v D.
< 1347554274 727793 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :teb?
< 1347554290 34875 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, I'm just N. G. E. v D., but the G comes from someone who was G. E. M.
< 1347554291 572476 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :with t and b in rot13
< 1347554301 276099 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-88-249.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!rot13 teb
< 1347554301 956927 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gro
< 1347554318 210065 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could use geo I guess
< 1347554338 243354 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :gro doesn't work out well though
< 1347554858 489873 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not geo
< 1347554863 596307 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be confusing
< 1347554863 769219 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.61.46 QUIT :Quit: impomatic
< 1347554868 417224 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with sounding like sgeo
< 1347554881 157441 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and looking like ego
< 1347554887 370335 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is short for gregor
< 1347555052 790039 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :!md5 AnotherTest
< 1347555065 690745 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't it do md5? :(
< 1347555082 93258 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to take the first 3 characters
< 1347555210 329610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use md5
< 1347555229 257137 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I know
< 1347555248 825414 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't use rot13 either...
< 1347555259 460391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, there is a difference
< 1347555266 154434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rot13 has some advantages for (non-security) applications
< 1347555294 700954 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :!sha256 AnotherTest
< 1347555296 278317 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1347555313 883264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :md5 has no advantages over other hash functions, afaik
< 1347555382 736553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even when security does not matter at all, you should avoid the thing associated with bad security if it has no advantages
< 1347555488 88787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, md5 is faster than sha1, i thought it was the other way
< 1347555498 767065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, if you want a non-cryptographic fast hash function, there are much faster choices
< 1347555545 513800 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use sha1
< 1347555559 125270 :david_werecat!~david_wer@nat-vlan10.algonquincollege.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1347555571 918446 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-15.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if WHIRLPOOL is still OK
< 1347555575 161786 :WranglingWombat!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin
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< 1347556260 743547 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347556403 306950 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1347558067 449290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347558694 35071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347558815 759866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whose name cannot be expressed in the Basic Multilingual Plane? (Does that include the private use area?)
< 1347558976 559883 :fizzie`!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-BMP names are the new non-ASCII names.
< 1347559099 541640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1347559150 841242 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347559314 351803 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1347559545 895454 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK fizzie`
< 1347559547 122362 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1347559653 892778 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :rot13 is great for hints that you can write down and read later, because it's just hard enough that you don't read it by accident, but you can still decode it mentally.
< 1347559662 515669 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(geocaching)
< 1347559665 743542 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347559723 56641 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any ASCII characters outside the BMP?
< 1347559746 116661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so; ASCII are all 0 to 127
< 1347560096 933799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to tell MediaWiki to search user contribution only which are creating new pages?
< 1347560310 93226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm Special:NewPages has a username field but it doesn't seem to work...
< 1347560354 624010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it does
< 1347560372 444329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just none of the people i checked first had made any new pages recently :P
< 1347560397 434488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I want to omit any edits which are not new pages
< 1347560417 453465 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But including even old ones; as long as the edit created a page)
< 1347560453 594042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it _does_ show only new pages, but unfortunately not old new pages :/
< 1347560491 1990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's a timeout, or maybe it only started getting updated after a mediawiki upgrade...
< 1347560671 868946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the whole NewPages only goes back to 9 June
< 1347561065 483141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, US-ASCII is mapped to the first 128 Unicode codepoints
< 1347561099 506335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is convenient because the ASCII character encoding coincides with UTF-8
< 1347561117 990637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i strongly suspect (but have not verified) that all characters in all national variants of ISO 646 are in the BMP
< 1347561131 19302 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347561162 564405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably all of ISO 8859 as well
< 1347561214 15363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what about the euro character?
< 1347561234 710465 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at ROT13 I found this    http://www.miranda.org/~jkominek/rot13/inform/rot13.inf   which does ROT13 as you type. On Famicom, something similar could be done just by arranging the CHR ROM in the right way! For example, the "A" key is row 6, column 0, bit 4, so put "M" glyph in the corresponding CHR ROM area.
< 1347561246 782361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the euro character is in the BMP at U+20AC
< 1347561264 11202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BMP ends at U+FFFF
< 1347561276 414350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "plane" is 2^16 codepoints
< 1347561318 253524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I suspect there are people with Chinese names using obscure characters
< 1347561346 786871 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading an article about how the Chinese government was trying to stop the practice of inventing a new character for your child's name
< 1347561425 408207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i know this korean lady whose name is supposedly written with an unusual character...
< 1347561438 549796 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347561517 671686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also when the artist formerly known as "the artist formerly known as Prince" was known thus, his name was an invented symbol which was, to my knowledge, never incorporated into the Universal Character Set
< 1347561550 951945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :全 looks like she described it
< 1347561563 206569 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there are unicode codepoints that no-one has ever used, except in stuff like listings of unicode characters
< 1347561681 548217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiocular O!
< 1347561702 260873 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I've seen that one used lots of times
< 1347561712 831650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "全"
< 1347561714 127333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "\20840"
< 1347561725 139410 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347561726 720034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showHex 20840 ""
< 1347561727 974439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "5168"
< 1347561739 419048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's still BMP...
< 1347561773 533080 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of BMP, a character set could allow for custom characters encoded as bitmaps
< 1347562050 270422 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: only because it's my favorite
< 1347562131 57578 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once tried to make a text editor which used literal bitmaps http://oi48.tinypic.com/29c5ag5.jpg
< 1347562153 883066 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why?
< 1347562155 592940 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it never got to dealing with things like scrolling.. it was very very primitive
< 1347562172 90400 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :didnt save etc
< 1347562642 720589 :jiella1!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347562784 614735 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
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< 1347563757 228133 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should've made it self-hosting and then continued the development from the editor itself
< 1347563763 363563 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks great for code
< 1347563851 883382 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basis of it was this half baked game engine i was doing with GDI in windows
< 1347563884 335627 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally one of the most obvious applications of a game engine is a text editor
< 1347563959 653227 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously
< 1347564209 767818 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt really have a clue what i was doing when i made it.. if i do have the source code somewhere it is more like a rotting ship of theseus which would inevitably be completely rewritten
< 1347564230 869136 :nortti-!znc@ie.freebnc.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347564232 698463 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(had to google that)
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< 1347564580 276221 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com NICK :shachaf
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< 1347565755 523373 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett TOPIC #esoteric :I HAVE NOW | Official channel of ESME | ESME is the best programming language. Why have you abandoned ESME? | Do not fret, ESME can forgive you. Give yourself freely to ESME. | PT6TRPA6PM6K | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki
< 1347565796 878584 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Download code for Scribblenauts Remix for iOS.
< 1347566057 518343 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-137-218.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb
< 1347566504 758236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night
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< 1347569288 897712 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1347570763 199273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the Famicom Keyboard keys will not work with VirtuaNES because it expect a Japanese keyboard layout, so the @ and : keys won't work. Do you know how to remap them?
< 1347570990 741503 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.autohotkey.com/
< 1347571003 335571 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly http://www.autohotkey.com/docs/misc/Remap.htm
< 1347571098 513963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to do by patching the EXE file?
< 1347571386 786885 :ssue!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tgbsixghxafxrqeh JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347571398 196494 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Sure
< 1347571404 515393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked at the source-codes and it is not stored in some table; it uses DirectInput.m_Sw[DIK_......]
< 1347571413 921693 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can try
< 1347571457 204463 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It allows the backslash key to be used in place of the yen key but that is the only thing.
< 1347571479 779979 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...in old Japanese charsets there was no backslash, just the yen symbol
< 1347571488 460151 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infact Japanese fonts still have the yen symbol at the \ codepoint
< 1347571499 942201 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for them escape codes and Windows file paths are full of yen symbols.
< 1347571578 972420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to require DIK_COLON, DIK_UNDERLINE, DIK_CIRCUMFLEX, and DIK_AT.
< 1347571741 41039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have those keys but it seems some keys are unused such as ` = ' F9 F11 so it should be remapped to those ones? The context menu key is not used either, nor is backspace. It should map = to the Famicom's ^ key, ' to the Famicom's : key, perhaps backspace to Famicom's @
< 1347571762 123538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Famicom has the STOP key where the backspace is on a PC keyboard; but the PC's END key is mapped to the Famicom's STOP key.)
< 1347571834 248003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to patch the .EXE file, it might help to knkow what the DirectInput DIK_*** constants are.
< 1347571954 344754 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't use a different emulator?
< 1347572063 889791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can use FCEU but it does not have a memory view command.
< 1347572086 376974 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1347572158 743486 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also try switching to the japanese layout and using the on-screen keyboard to find out which key is which
< 1347572196 329274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know which key is which.
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< 1347573713 564851 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Goodnight
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< 1347578204 805448 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so a couple of seconds after stopping the xindi death ray weapon at the end of a 24 episode arc, this series is now about something completely different
< 1347578217 759698 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :time traveling nazis, it seems
< 1347578757 363928 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Watching Enterprise, are we?
< 1347578901 121038 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1347578947 466780 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear it's bad
< 1347578966 498468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that one episode I watched because I heard it was good.
< 1347578971 351352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was good.)
< 1347578980 124042 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, turns out it was just a short two-episode detour in nazi timeline before actually finishing the season finale
< 1347579036 191716 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of it is bad, some of it is ok ... it might be incredibly writer-dependent or something
< 1347579046 9552 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :their captain is all bad though
< 1347579130 181492 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also hear Brunt and Weyounds and that racist policeman are all in it again.
< 1347579136 360101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh.
< 1347579143 192270 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ignore that 'd' in Weyoun.
< 1347579149 904592 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, jeffrey combs is in like all the series
< 1347579159 42645 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he in tos too
< 1347579165 918441 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably!
< 1347579229 178350 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know there was a guy in tos who was born in the 1880s or something
< 1347579262 714064 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I think that was mentioned in here
< 1347579864 971686 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347581272 278980 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1347581627 155641 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7be8.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1347581690 340663 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347582210 291093 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347582250 846762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slbkbs.org/fluids.jpg
< 1347582371 949872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :water: used by nazis
< 1347582381 667579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also good filename
< 1347582504 989035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watched Dr. Strangelove the other day.
< 1347582669 599409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can use intonation with Famicom audio? Make the highest note have period 90.
< 1347582747 37562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually 180, because of a left shift; and because it adds two, the number you need to put into the register is actually 89.)
< 1347582871 712316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even that is not quite right; the actual period is 1440.
< 1347583107 256640 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded
< 1347583232 213305 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347583343 496064 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, see I was about to say something about almonds containing cyanide which was used in the gas chambers
< 1347583379 222610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I realised that I don't actually know if they used cyanide, and I'm not googling "nazi death chamber gas" from this IP.
< 1347583389 850097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1347583396 281443 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably on enough watchlists already.
< 1347583423 790043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, zyklon b is a preparation of hydrogen cyanide
< 1347584921 951685 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen
< 1347585236 345259 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347585265 116102 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347586830 835613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am making "Elemental Solitaire" game on Famicom.
< 1347586892 765490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already got some of it working, including CHR ROM, PRG ROM, music, deck shuffling, title screen, sprites flashing. Now I will add some more, until it is completed.
< 1347587591 173499 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have repeatedly called PubNub "PubSub"
< 1347587591 723396 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1347587605 401024 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, apparently not in here
< 1347587611 799138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why stop when it is completed?
< 1347587674 169468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make the program not too large to fit on NROM.
< 1347587687 52004 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347587696 244312 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347587896 721907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347588634 804024 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347588781 321990 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347588786 855321 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347588848 860531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far it uses less than 2K for PRG ROM and CHR ROM together. When it is finished, it might be less than 4K.
< 1347590813 98790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAMBDA LAMBDA LAMBDA LAMBDA APPLY APPLY ONE MORE THAN ONE MORE THAN ONE MORE THAN ZERO
< 1347590816 411586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE MORE THAN ZERO APPLY APPLY ONE MORE THAN ONE MORE THAN ZERO ONE MORE THAN ZERO ZERO
< 1347590846 817844 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BADGER BADGER BADGER BADGER BADGER BADGER BADGER BADGER BADGER BADGER BADGER BADGER MUSHROOM MUSHROOM
< 1347590879 414694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ \ \ \ ((3 1)((2 1) 0))
< 1347590936 927724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm trying to decode Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download because Koen and I are confused about the intended application order
< 1347592036 462732 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1347592444 375019 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1347593216 51522 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347593376 229264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnwinnableByDesign   The situation described under "Why Would You Even Do That?" is not good enough. There should be some objects which you need to vaporize with this button, as well as those which you need to keep.
< 1347593721 33969 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1347594904 610018 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347595195 444792 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NetHack's not on that page :(
< 1347595670 837581 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have an account, add it, if you think it belong, isn't it?
< 1347596913 643030 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347596923 991263 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347596946 597331 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347598896 522013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4^4
< 1347598897 450217 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  256
< 1347599134 11166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad that's settled
< 1347599640 974144 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347599645 723231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr <$> [72, 101, 108, 108, 115, 44, 32, 119, 111, 114, 108, 100, 33, 10]
< 1347599646 821127 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "Hells, world!\n"
< 1347599659 383268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm...
< 1347599668 904275 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347599674 631167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume i made a mistake
< 1347599832 628354 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1347599902 779880 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr <$> [72, 101, 108, 108, 32, 109, 111, 44, 32, 119, 111, 114, 108, 100, 33, 10]
< 1347599903 632176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "Hell mo, world!\n"
< 1347599908 293340 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh
< 1347600137 86040 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr <$> $ ord <$> "Hello, world!\n"
< 1347600137 976042 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  <no location info>: parse error on input `$'
< 1347600155 717265 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (chr <$>) $ ord <$> "Hello, world!\n"
< 1347600156 632780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "Hello, world!\n"
< 1347600160 824658 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p
< 1347600479 630337 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr <$> ['\0'..]
< 1347600480 654820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Int'
< 1347600480 825352 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type ...
< 1347600492 920945 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, du
< 1347600496 291439 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr <$> [0..]
< 1347600497 223900 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "\NUL\SOH\STX\ETX\EOT\ENQ\ACK\a\b\t\n\v\f\r\SO\SI\DLE\DC1\DC2\DC3\DC4\NAK\S...
< 1347600615 562398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr.[0..]==['\0'..]
< 1347600617 982634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  False
< 1347600624 366810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, of course.
< 1347600639 424104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take(length['\0'..]).chr.[0..]==['\0'..]
< 1347600640 337314 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[a]'
< 1347600640 545942 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type `GHC.Types...
< 1347600659 829146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take(length['\0'..])(chr.[0..])==['\0'..]
< 1347600662 196101 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  True
< 1347600880 782588 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ['\0'..]
< 1347600881 783306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "\NUL\SOH\STX\ETX\EOT\ENQ\ACK\a\b\t\n\v\f\r\SO\SI\DLE\DC1\DC2\DC3\DC4\NAK\S...
< 1347600907 532176 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr [0..] == ['\0'..]
< 1347600908 595994 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Int'
< 1347600908 760546 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred type ...
< 1347600932 293599 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map chr [0..] == ['\0'..]
< 1347600933 391520 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  False
< 1347600939 948093 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1347600956 557190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> uncurry(==).zip(chr.[0..])['\0'..]
< 1347600958 503163 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True,True...
< 1347600958 521588 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: [0..] is unbound, ['\0'..] is bound. :)
< 1347600963 421543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> and.uncurry(==).zip(chr.[0..])['\0'..]
< 1347600964 486987 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  Couldn't match expected type `[GHC.Bool.Bool]'
< 1347600964 657178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :        against inferred typ...
< 1347600968 212443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> and$uncurry(==).zip(chr.[0..])['\0'..]
< 1347600970 259605 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  True
< 1347600971 108494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU GET THE IDEA
< 1347601168 496432 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with the . in place of <$>?
< 1347601209 910671 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caleskell has (.) = (<$>)
< 1347601384 813831 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length ['\0']
< 1347601385 866238 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1
< 1347601391 614883 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Derp
< 1347601393 701668 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length ['\0'..]
< 1347601394 673704 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1114112
< 1347601409 478072 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's fast
< 1347601409 646790 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 2^21-1
< 1347601421 36689 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^21-1
< 1347601422 63868 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2097151
< 1347601426 953357 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess not.
< 1347601440 287550 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^21
< 1347601441 140666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 17*2^16
< 1347601441 310642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  2097152
< 1347601442 501591 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  1114112
< 1347601477 217037 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't there a bunch of code points that are invalid?
< 1347601484 276075 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't tell me that Char includes those
< 1347601490 983125 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, duh, it's not 2^21-1 characters in Unicode, it's 17 16-bit planes.
< 1347601500 29501 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: They are *unassigned* code points.
< 1347601505 998754 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unassigned != invalid.
< 1347601520 231169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: No, some are invalid.
< 1347601524 779197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xD800, for instance.
< 1347601525 463539 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 0xDC80
< 1347601526 524381 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '\56448'
< 1347601533 736268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 (17*2^16)
< 1347601534 834906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  20.087462841250343
< 1347601550 372049 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, duh, there's stuff like the surrogate pairs.
< 1347601559 221080 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surrogate pairs are explicitly invalid.
< 1347601691 378876 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Huh. In principle you could do *slightly better* than UTF-63 then.
< 1347601713 349969 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With really stupidly complicated coding schemes.
< 1347601728 62870 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's not.
< 1347601745 497976 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> logBase 2 (3*17*2^16)
< 1347601746 557860 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  21.672425341971497
< 1347601757 99947 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I'm not sure what I was thinking there.
< 1347601769 759847 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Definitely not anything sane.
< 1347601783 361207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: You can also do better because you can (a) use that extra bit, so exactly 21 bits per codepoint instead of 21+1/3, and (b) only to represent need slightly over 2^20 codepoints.
< 1347601838 208838 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the multiple of lb(17*2^16) nearest a round number, I wonder...
< 1347601860 575455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are surrogate codepoints disallowed in all the planes or just the BMP?
< 1347601867 37697 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (* (logBase 2 (3*17*2^16))) [2..]
< 1347601868 59623 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  [43.344850683942994,65.0172760259145,86.68970136788599,108.36212670985748,1...
< 1347601995 97504 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, a little *over* 4096.
< 1347602078 119392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is 0x1D800 a valid codepoint?
< 1347602092 920626 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-1024 is the best encoding.
< 1347602115 314725 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think it's valid but unassigned?
< 1347602135 237595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was hoping to avoid thinking about how UTF-16 works. :-(
< 1347602138 618995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No such luck, eh?
< 1347602144 691061 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno.
< 1347602197 218630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so you get 10 bits per UTF-16 code unit.
< 1347602228 768125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess it's valid.
< 1347602282 734574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, it comes out bigger than 20 bits either way.
< 1347602318 313394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-9000
< 1347602336 841088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember if the Haskell spec says anything about Chars corresponding to invalid characters
< 1347602341 984392 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but GHC does allow them, as demonstrated above
< 1347602355 657441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Text doesn't, though.
< 1347602362 923611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since it uses UTF-16.)
< 1347602365 599111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, because it uses UTF-16 efb
< 1347602367 1423 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-1024 gives you 47 codepoints in a mere 128 bytes.
< 1347602384 861686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shuold all use UTF-EBCDIC
< 1347602385 405655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it does an extra pass when you encodeUTF8.
< 1347602421 571287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, my iconv doesn't know about utf-ebcdic
< 1347602442 237845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '\^X'
< 1347602443 326139 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  '\CAN'
< 1347602447 661783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude
< 1347602471 336843 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-64 gives you 47 codepoints in... 126 bytes? Dammit!
< 1347602474 755645 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wasting more bits!
< 1347602553 642515 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a kind of UTF-INTERCAL a while ago, which is based on EBCDIC but is not the same as UTF-EBCDIC.
< 1347602567 603051 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-90008 works, though.
< 1347602614 783352 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah.
< 1347602866 1832 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-63? UTF-32 isn't sufficient?
< 1347602881 76103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-63 is really UTF-21.333...
< 1347602894 467914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or UCS-2.666...
< 1347602895 955583 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347602912 384016 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't entirely understand
< 1347602917 850023 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan on sleeping soon though
< 1347602978 252545 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: UTF-64 packs 3 Unicode codepoints as 21 bits each, and wastes a bit.
< 1347603091 636820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't waste much, fortunately!
< 1347603125 695134 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1347603143 260725 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wastes a bit more than a bit, apparently, because a Unicode codepoint is *slightly more* than 20 bits, rather than 21 bits.
< 1347603143 638250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a bit.
< 1347603153 693462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes.
< 1347603163 262927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why couldn't they arrange it to be exactly 20 bits?
< 1347603169 199072 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But packing more efficiently is really nontrivial.
< 1347603174 265182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 planes?
< 1347603178 495266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who comes up with that?
< 1347603196 881100 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x10FFFF jerks
< 1347603222 748155 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idongettit
< 1347603234 674894 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x10FFFF looks familiar
< 1347603240 962952 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Largest codepoint.
< 1347603248 957324 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is in 17 planes of 16 bits each.
< 1347603259 356903 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the first one.
< 1347603274 711308 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which has some of its values scavenged for UTF-16 to work.
< 1347603279 187927 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(jerks)
< 1347603292 461368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^16 - 2048
< 1347603293 401448 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  63488
< 1347603303 244089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :JERKS
< 1347603321 656888 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-16 is such a terrible encoding.
< 1347603344 684617 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And honestly has little excuse for existing.
< 1347603369 185285 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most things that adopted UCS-2 and later migrated to UTF-16 for legacy reasons came *after* UTF-8.
< 1347603414 752403 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even those things that did UTF-16 before 1993 could've migrated to UTF-8 readily.
< 1347603421 190966 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With less pain, in fact.
< 1347603455 459634 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java's really offensive. It was released in '95.
< 1347603490 677588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many files are there for chess games with TeX? Do any of them include AI?
< 1347603577 934468 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Windows could've switched easily...
< 1347603598 470318 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-2 as some stupid cruft for compatibility with NT 3.1?
< 1347603741 46374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some games involve chance, some games involve skill, some games involve hidden information. I like a game involving all three.
< 1347603750 689482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This includes games with cards.
< 1347603830 9380 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion about this?
< 1347604448 923730 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: my brother accidently his headphones so he got new ones and gave me his old ones. the problem is the cable is broken. 
< 1347604501 867528 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main options are to do nothing, get someone to repair them, or repair them myself
< 1347604652 914387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fix them by yourself if you know how. If you don't know how, learn how, unless you would rather get someone else to repair them.
< 1347604717 487560 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trouble is not so much that i can't afford someone else, but my profit margin is probably quite slim..
< 1347604724 625738 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cable is scary complicated
< 1347604797 85091 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one thing it appears all the wires merrily touch each other
< 1347604883 857022 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i only like games whose names start with "mine"
< 1347604921 469265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <oklopol> zzo38: i only like games whose names start with "mine"
< 1347604934 317664 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :860) <oklopol> zzo38: i only like games whose names start with "mine"
< 1347604952 373608 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not too far from the truth even, since i only play minesweeper and minecraft.
< 1347604978 330881 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also minebombers is an awesome game
< 1347605125 67177 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.61.46 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347605367 86997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what was it impomatic wondered about again
< 1347605401 854205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* impomatic wonders if the topic is inspired by Philip K Dick?
< 1347605418 218619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not my part of it, anyway
< 1347605452 156488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs PEZ
< 1347605457 366673 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if the total recall remake is inspired by Philip K Dick?
< 1347605484 929171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cannot recall much about total recall. 
< 1347605485 610920 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir: cannot create directory `/hackenv': File exists \ http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.16941 \ /hackenv/bin/paste: line 14: /hackenv/paste/paste.16941: No such file or directory
< 1347605489 563397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff
< 1347605496 961628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs PEZ
< 1347605508 663288 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.12806
< 1347605579 535510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs changed the topic
< 1347605584 296695 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.22269
< 1347605608 624449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought that would be too long :(
< 1347605695 318244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: you'll have to ask Gregor
< 1347605769 603174 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :<olsner> why did PEZ become ESME?
< 1347605779 67496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_that_ was me.
< 1347605781 756303 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha ha ha
< 1347605817 58745 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question itself is funny
< 1347605874 625320 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs esme
< 1347605884 333741 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.26853
< 1347605947 872260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T GO THERE
< 1347606154 736170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It [doesn't] works by tapping out "ESME" into Morse code, then writing "Esme" in to the papers.
< 1347606265 693750 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.61.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I've been trying to figure out which book the topic reminded me of. Maybe Ubik or A Scanner Darkly?
< 1347606306 79622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea
< 1347606484 726489 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google abandoned fret forgive
< 1347606486 471112 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://irc.netsplit.de/channels/details.php?room=%23esoteric&net=freenode
< 1347606486 640476 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: #esoteric freenode - Chat Room on IRC - Programming, Computers - irc.netsplit.de
< 1347606548 398475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it works!
< 1347606778 742921 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347607536 800981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The `pastelogs will stop if there is too many lines how to make it skip up to a specified date to continue from there?
< 1347607633 386690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's been implemented
< 1347607645 993603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/pastelogs
< 1347607650 992742 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ cd /var/irclogs/_esoteric \  \ pasterandom() { \     if [ "$1" -gt 150 ]; then \         echo "No." \         exit \     fi \     for i in $(seq "$1"); do \         file=$(shuf -en 1 ????-??-??.txt) \         echo "$file:$(shuf -n 1 $file)" \     done | paste \ } \  \ if [ "$1" ]; then \     if expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1; then \         pasterandom "$1" \     else \         lines=$(grep -P -i -- "$1"
< 1347607828 713286 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1347607867 794515 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have "[too many lines; stopping]
< 1347607870 680073 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mörning
< 1347607875 302572 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soup
< 1347607883 299106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make up command of specifying the first date?
< 1347607911 828659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me
< 1347607924 602228 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well was fun talking to you guys i gotta go now though
< 1347608564 824953 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1347608600 746067 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347608818 108265 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347609045 127647 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1347609045 465548 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages.
< 1347609047 576029 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay
< 1347609053 756682 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, don't you dare
< 1347609083 539231 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: we had to fix up your hair salon a bit
< 1347609108 523451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackage is down? :(
< 1347609114 544140 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems so
< 1347609206 773470 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid I'm not the best at explaining things
< 1347609238 781976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one use parsec with applicative notation...
< 1347609270 854337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Same as you would use others. Parsec work very well with applicatives
< 1347609283 631575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i cannot find the bloody instance!
< 1347609303 390926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what i was trying to load hackage for
< 1347609325 222413 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd assume it'd be connected to the Monad instance
< 1347609330 965053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no.
< 1347609330 983433 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure = return, (<*>) = ap
< 1347609334 339178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes.
< 1347609343 251404 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, defined in terms of
< 1347609349 169906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course i don't want to _write_ it.  it should be there already.
< 1347609361 305277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is there already, isn't it?
< 1347609366 372988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately when parsec was originally made, they made operators that clash with it
< 1347609378 103205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then hide those ones.
< 1347609378 678623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not when i load Text.Parsec
< 1347609393 371644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What version do you have?
< 1347609446 192138 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, you can use awk or sed to remove the file other than the first date wanted and the one after that one, and then xargs for grep on each one, and do the same as it already does. For example:   BEGIN { x=0 } FirstDate==$0 { x=1 } x
< 1347609448 567970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i don't know how to find out :(
< 1347609503 626369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think the command "cabal info" will tell you which versions are currently installed, but I don't know if it work when Hackage is down
< 1347609511 186030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on the verge of closing vim and taking a break but i have a principle of not closing a file that doesn't compile
< 1347609525 831429 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leave it open and wander off
< 1347609527 64040 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?
< 1347609565 126135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: um i have no intention of leaving the computer, which means it is impossible to avoid seeing it in the meny
< 1347609568 533519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*u
< 1347609572 184067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er taskbar
< 1347609576 907888 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thingy
< 1347609606 653172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the universe's way of punishing me for trying to have fun programming
< 1347609616 379092 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why you should have no less than 5 computers on your person at any one time like a sensible person
< 1347609763 232769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you add this AWK program to the pastelogs to make it works with specifying the start date for loading files?
< 1347609779 785890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run run run ls
< 1347609783 472617 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: run: command not found
< 1347609803 58721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does the big comment around most of non-working program trick
< 1347609840 508992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: anyone can add programs to HackEgo 
< 1347609857 979804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you add a file on there? Is it possible to connect to codu.org directly on some port number to just send the data and then it make a file of it?
< 1347609890 282743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help
< 1347609894 555296 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`<command>", or "`run <command>" for full shell commands. "`fetch <URL>" downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert <rev>" can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1347609899 406227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :use `fetch
< 1347609951 812228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, that's how it works. Wouldn't it be better if they designed to work without URLs so that you do not have to send the file twice?
< 1347610039 537513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _can_ do it with shell commands, but that's not exactly easier
< 1347610099 891612 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :one does not simply add a file on there
< 1347610130 19556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the filename be specified, or do you have to rename it afterward?
< 1347610151 711602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it uses the filename at end of url
< 1347610163 247930 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.61.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any idea how to add a new font to Android without rooting? I need a slashed zero!
< 1347610170 743167 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :404 -One does not simply request mordor.html-
< 1347610175 13864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all feature requests go to Gregor :)
< 1347610176 950760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what for directory name? What if the filename at end of URL is wrong can you use # and a filename?
< 1347610212 704724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it goes into the current directory /hackenv/
< 1347610237 12413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um not sure if there's anything before in the path.
< 1347610363 827870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is not on now?
< 1347610374 766142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1347611120 161664 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish to thank this channel
< 1347611138 810827 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For helping me understand groups long before I really needed to
< 1347611138 980091 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also being cool and stuff
< 1347611146 752571 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But one thing
< 1347611158 779490 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a group from mathematics the same thing as a monoid from Haskell?
< 1347611178 628956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, monoids don't need inverses
< 1347611213 383590 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cool
< 1347611246 84516 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow
< 1347611250 836023 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really glad I asked that now
< 1347611256 630681 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had totally missed inverses
< 1347611305 266639 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347611310 263000 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1347614321 243974 :Cryovat!~null@sky.prism.winterday.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1347616077 333048 :ssue!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tgbsixghxafxrqeh QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347617186 582917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
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< 1347618054 179712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of a kind of compression by a integer; when it is time to read more data you know what the range will be (not necessarily before that), and then you divmod by the range; the remainder is the data read and the quotient is the data to continue reading next time. I have implemented something using binary division.
< 1347618252 746050 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically I used like this (r=remainder, b=bit array, x=range):  For i=high bit to low bit of b: r=(r<<1)|b[i]; b[i]=r>=x; r%=x;  Would this work OK?
< 1347618421 503606 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1347619188 961541 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-unbwcdvgbnbuytur JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347621703 271294 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like today's Lightning Made of Owls
< 1347621726 420258 :fizzie`!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am confused about "today" due to a ten-hour timezone change.
< 1347621743 81886 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most recent
< 1347621771 244825 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mezzacotta.net/owls/
< 1347621776 798288 :fizzie`!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My name has also acquired some sort of a gnat.
< 1347621782 844787 :fizzie`!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie NICK :fizzie
< 1347621858 885079 :kinoSi0!~kinosi@p190156-ffoma1yoyogi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347621994 900758 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
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< 1347623487 816925 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1347626025 199406 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm I've been having the following thought
< 1347626054 165940 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically for a program to be reversible, it must not allow information to be destroyed right?
< 1347626075 844736 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's nothing wrong with information being created
< 1347626083 377613 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now if we run that program backwards
< 1347626104 264245 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you meet the creation of new information
< 1347626115 988424 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reverse operation is very simple : destroy it
< 1347626146 179039 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would mean the inverse of that reversible program is not reversible
< 1347626233 233170 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347626383 177944 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, a re-reversible program
< 1347626388 709058 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't create information?
< 1347626640 532275 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup that's what I think
< 1347626679 233620 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think for instance an instruction like "push a random number on stack" is possible on a reversible program, but not in a re-reversible program
< 1347626681 814964 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that
< 1347626703 949520 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means we have to use the word "reversible" with caution
< 1347626726 470163 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that just means that a program can be reversible without being deterministic
< 1347626800 700452 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347626867 139394 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we may need to add a note about that on the wiki?
< 1347626916 737522 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, Category:Reversible_computing seems to be missing from the Esolang:Categorization page
< 1347627044 306235 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.61.46 QUIT :Quit: impomatic
< 1347628279 38154 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Real_Fast_Nora%27s_Hair_Salon_3:_Shear_Disaster_Download
< 1347628347 911478 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the strangest name for esolang I have ever seen
< 1347628393 620099 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: I do fail to understand the pun!
< 1347628433 687970 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: ?
< 1347628442 315459 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the name
< 1347628449 268998 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the origin of the name
< 1347628472 799411 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is still stange
< 1347628540 373037 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mind sharing? :)
< 1347628602 734418 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a spammer that created page http://esolangs.org/wiki/Real_Fast_Nora%27s_Hair_Salon_3:_Shear_Disaster (If I remember correctly)
< 1347628613 775808 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is by the way real movie
< 1347628613 809325 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok
< 1347628780 345433 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :&g #anime
< 1347628780 619190 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1347628780 619362 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate typos
< 1347629078 739664 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
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< 1347629078 740036 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster
< 1347629078 740229 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The page the spammer created is the one that still exists
< 1347629311 969248 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1347629311 969409 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1347629311 969527 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so "real fast" applied to "download"
< 1347629311 969633 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you shoudl send a thanking mail to that spammer
< 1347629311 969737 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1347629311 969860 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a video game, but I'm not sure
< 1347629311 969964 :Gregor`!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347629311 970271 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes at least that would solve the plot problem
< 1347629311 970375 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's a film
< 1347629311 970483 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :urrh
< 1347629311 970588 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1347629311 970693 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to this text I've just recieved, I'm owed 3350 for the PPI I took out.
< 1347629311 970797 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what?
< 1347629311 970901 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347629311 971030 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Payment Protection Insurance is the current gimmick UK scammers are using
< 1347629341 887014 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something to do with mortgages, I think
< 1347629394 797575 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/246646_526302850729844_328991127_n.jpg
< 1347629424 665884 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already seen it, heh
< 1347629424 826797 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.
< 1347629425 481425 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: you say real fast nora's hair salon 3 is turing-complete but there's nothing that looks like a proof
< 1347629444 791394 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, it essentially is Lambda Calculus
< 1347629451 712341 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except with no brackets
< 1347629480 529929 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced with "It then takes the next complete expression and wraps it in a lambda."
< 1347629491 118317 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The APPLY is a very long way around brackets
< 1347629512 689302 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APPLY x APPLY y z is x (y z), APPLY APPLY x y z is (x y) z
< 1347629551 994140 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZERO is an expression
< 1347629560 862687 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ONE MORE THAN x is an expression
< 1347629565 391158 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APPLY x y is an expression
< 1347629569 474380 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAMBDA x is an expression
< 1347629582 258424 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347629583 522735 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is APPLY basicaly ` of unlambda?
< 1347629583 984218 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm ok
< 1347629592 199401 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, precisely
< 1347629626 937213 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, and about input and output
< 1347629638 242432 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download is directly inspired by Lazy K
< 1347629669 882858 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is <program> equivalent to something like "output := APPLY <program> input"?
< 1347629682 514825 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1347629695 50680 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it do interactive I/O?
< 1347629707 880993 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so a program must be a LAMBDA
< 1347629708 237742 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, via laziness, about as much as Lazy K can
< 1347629786 787930 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Lazy_K#Input_and_output
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< 1347630583 842475 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-101-113.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1347633157 779568 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I'm not sure how there can be any "interactive IO".
< 1347633181 107004 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laziness. The actual input can be delayed inevitably
< 1347633255 113338 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but output cannot be anticipated
< 1347633284 126152 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it can
< 1347633322 322982 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reverse-laziness?
< 1347633329 737823 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ish, yeah
< 1347633344 86317 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be named Zealous K then
< 1347633361 135414 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More like forwards laziness at the other end
< 1347633365 734983 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm
< 1347633379 655210 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have to take that into account to write an interpreter?
< 1347633390 159485 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1347633402 659079 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to take that into account to make an interpreter with interactive IO
< 1347633546 343906 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so the only thing I have to care about are: <program> ::= LAMBDA <expr>       <expr> ::= ZERO | ONE MORE THAN <expr> | APPLY <expr> <expr> | LAMBDA <expr>
< 1347633588 487929 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then apply the program to input, and output the result
< 1347633597 835732 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1347633604 783968 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAMBDA ZERO should be a cat
< 1347633607 11855 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that seems pretty straightforwart
< 1347633642 995384 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm yes
< 1347633654 388945 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION realizes how unfamiliar he is with lambda-calculus
< 1347633661 175613 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1347633673 681449 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may be a good idea to familiarise yourself with lambda calculus first.
< 1347633682 159541 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be ok
< 1347633738 342065 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAMBDA APPLY ZERO LAMBDA LAMBDA ZERO should be an "at", or a cat that ignores the first character
< 1347633817 668465 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1347633838 631365 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be wrong, of course
< 1347633857 616393 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAMBDA LAMBDA ZERO is the constant function that yields identity
< 1347633861 346716 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so, K)
< 1347633887 106550 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, KI
< 1347633893 321016 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1347633897 569624 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :K would be LAMBDA LAMBDA ONE MORE THAN ZERO
< 1347633905 944044 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1347633958 97740 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, LAMBDA APPLY ZERO KI means to apply input to KI
< 1347633974 7338 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1347633981 752969 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that a "at"?
< 1347633995 525228 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1347634002 199825 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means apply KI to input
< 1347634015 718787 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh right
< 1347634044 497416 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so applied to the first char it gives the identity function
< 1347634061 670787 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1347634076 162002 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum?
< 1347634076 747583 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes the input (as a church list)
< 1347634085 484682 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, right
< 1347634104 689638 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, \f -> f 'c' (\f -> f 'a' (\f -> f 't' (\f -> ...
< 1347634114 533519 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And applies KI to it
< 1347634129 974491 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :KIab is Ib is b
< 1347634141 726868 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1347634162 673445 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the \f -> ... thing means, though
< 1347634197 730688 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell's notation for lambda calculus
< 1347634237 79402 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhkay
< 1347634246 801278 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :λf.f 'c' (λf . f 'a' (λf . f 't' (λf. ...
< 1347634255 194265 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a more conventional notation
< 1347634275 661770 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION carefully closes realfasthair.ml
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< 1347638274 235313 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait
< 1347638293 107962 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we bother so much about languages being turing-complete or not
< 1347638328 672 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the church turing thesis does not contain so much as a proof of the "being turing-complete means you can do everything with it" thing?
< 1347638372 477785 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no because you would have to define what "everything" is
< 1347638392 651647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :church turing thesis is not like a mathematical statement that can be proven or disproven
< 1347638408 807999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a definition
< 1347638490 638771 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says that for mathematical purposes we take the fuzzy term "everything you can do" to mean "any function computable by a turing machine"
< 1347638516 951501 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One can't proceed from the informal to the formal by formal means."
< 1347638579 5940 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347638587 529368 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm that sounds very disappointing
< 1347638620 679644 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought they had a formal definition for "everything"
< 1347638667 770769 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, "any function computable by a turing machine"... what if someone comes up with an example like the ackerman function, but even worse, that can't be computed by a turing machine?
< 1347638691 88760 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what you just said sound like "Mr Turing knew he was very smart, so he asked everyone to take for granted that his model was ultimate."
< 1347638732 913556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's dr. turing to you, punk
< 1347638738 237839 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1347638784 935938 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's more correct to say that the thesis could be disproven
< 1347638800 842442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone comes up with such a function, and then convinces the world that the function is "effectively calculable"
< 1347638832 371564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is not a mathematical disproof either
< 1347638845 293973 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's quite easy to describe a function which is not computable
< 1347638853 74098 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the busy beaver function
< 1347638861 72317 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it grows faster than any computable function
< 1347638872 878968 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about http://esolangs.org/wiki/CLooP#.23hyper.3B
< 1347638881 349739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's up to the philosophers to argue about whether that is "effectively calculable"
< 1347638917 366921 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know there's this idea that if you drop a computer into a black hole, you can do an infinite amount of computation in a finite time
< 1347638922 544433 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't get the result back out
< 1347638927 555558 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I just lost faith in computer science
< 1347638960 190225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps in time you will reach a fuller understanding of the relationship between mathematics, philosophy, and empiricism
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< 1347639110 747402 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1347639118 74043 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Arc_Koen an idiot now i haven't been watching
< 1347639122 108064 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, plz enlighten
< 1347639133 427151 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, he's like itidus21 but with computer science rather than philosophy
< 1347639146 923215 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I feel insulted?
< 1347639148 175724 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm he just looks a bit confused
< 1347639156 966212 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought we had another anothertest on our hands
< 1347639168 211923 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, I'm joking
< 1347639168 588546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually pretty tricky to wrap your head around this stuff
< 1347639174 160462 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, no you're good for now
< 1347639182 785479 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :)
< 1347639198 259198 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still it is very disappointing
< 1347639210 906326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean basically
< 1347639211 965778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Arc_Koen> I thought they had a formal definition for "everything"
< 1347639215 235540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that definition is turing machine
< 1347639244 331503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you like lambda calculus, they are equivalently powerful
< 1347639248 694086 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically Turing came up with his Turing machine, Church with his lambda-calculus, they proved the two models were equivalent, and then what?
< 1347639253 608323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or any of 1,000 other things
< 1347639258 376573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: and then computer science happened
< 1347639274 552294 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, no other way round
< 1347639277 382069 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :church was first
< 1347639293 344128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :original gangsta
< 1347639336 956793 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok; that's a pretty good start and all, but have every computer scientist just said "ok, let's take those models as the ultimate thing, and never question them"?
< 1347639343 762289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1347639352 132274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an entire field of studying "what if" more powerful things existed
< 1347639368 332817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arithmetical_hierarchy
< 1347639386 708947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly most people would call this maths and not CS
< 1347639395 495289 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CS is maths kmc 
< 1347639407 563904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars
< 1347639437 413595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: even if CS is a subset of maths my statement makes sense
< 1347639465 65107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_machine
< 1347639478 650429 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercomputer
< 1347639514 482204 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup I gave the oracle machine a look when I ran into Category:Uncomputable on the wiki
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< 1347639582 579785 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well all that stuff sounds very interesting, thank you guys
< 1347639653 407722 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still it does sound like "oh btw, did I mention the bridge you've been walking on for the last few years has never been tested? It could potentially collapse at any moment.")
< 1347639810 533418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1347639835 890466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever you're doing anything formal, you have axioms
< 1347639843 595600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the axioms are not proven, by definition
< 1347639855 836328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can argue about whether the axioms match "the real world" but that is a philosophical argument and not a formal one
< 1347640023 87582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't prove that induction works either
< 1347640027 474908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should bother you a lot more
< 1347640037 419884 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can though
< 1347640042 87026 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof by induction
< 1347640058 8540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah induction always worked before, so it must work now
< 1347640064 239904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anti-induction never worked before, so it must work now
< 1347640091 816141 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm well my answer to "why does induction work?" would be "it's logical"
< 1347640137 14337 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant prove anti-induction! not even by induction! it must be false.
< 1347640138 787239 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you're probably gonna tell me about the axiom of choice, but at some point I will lose interest because really, that does sound like philosophy
< 1347640160 896462 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing machines never sounded like philosophy to me before, though
< 1347640207 804301 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I really thought they had a formal definition of the intuitive "turing-complete means you can use it to compute anything"
< 1347640233 185713 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had never really bothered to look for it before today, though
< 1347640307 900472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if there were such a formal definition
< 1347640308 522989 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the church-turing thesis is our religion and godel is our saint
< 1347640323 537532 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would still be in a position to argue about whether that formal definition matches our intuitive idea of "everything you can do"
< 1347640446 172089 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah but I wouldn't care about that much
< 1347640453 832102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the same thing
< 1347640462 942615 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, "everything you can do" is obviously a very unformal way to say things
< 1347640497 317746 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :here look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effective_method
< 1347640501 681939 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not expect my brainfuck program to build a time-traveling machine, or to produce coffee
< 1347640506 116612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an attempt at like a semi-formal definition of what we're talking about
< 1347640536 900891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now imagine that you try to formalize the ideas of "series of rote steps" and "completed in a finite number of steps" and such
< 1347640638 205080 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : In simple terms, the Church–Turing thesis states that a function is effectively calculable if and only if it is computable by a Turing machine.
< 1347640644 527686 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then "it cannot be proven"
< 1347640656 285728 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm skeptic. do they have a proof that it cannot be proven?
< 1347640701 396836 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Riemann hypothesis, for instance, has not been proven yet, but nobody said it couldn't
< 1347640714 860981 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and of course it may be wrong but that's not proven either)
< 1347640726 925704 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm ok with that
< 1347640728 390053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't formally prove something which is not stated in formal terms
< 1347640743 753143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One can't proceed from the informal to the formal by formal means."
< 1347640751 550496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what they mean by "cannot be proven"
< 1347640767 954947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you sit down to formalize the idea of "effectively calculable"
< 1347640771 905329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you invent something like a turing machine
< 1347640774 966333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're back where we are now
< 1347640787 768533 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, ok
< 1347640790 227128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the church-turing thesis is not the same kind of thing as the riemann hypothesis
< 1347641287 671062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Arc_Koen> turing machines never sounded like philosophy to me before, though
< 1347641293 359176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing machines are not philosophy
< 1347641304 408678 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what I meant
< 1347641305 973777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are a mathematical object, like sets or the natural numbers etc
< 1347641317 85129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can prove things about them with whatever degree of rigor you like
< 1347641332 771604 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but (also like sets and the natural numbers) you can have philosophical arguments about to what degree these things model "the real world"
< 1347641389 308994 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but like, /obviously/ there's a Platonic turing machine in the perfect realm of the forms, dude
< 1347641427 333888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bonghit noises*
< 1347641458 184516 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is
< 1347641466 280773 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the Platonic turing machine feel love?
< 1347641470 554486 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, not /all/ neoplatonist thinkers in the Western Renaissance developed their philosophy under the influence of drugs.
< 1347641476 118517 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so that's not actually true...
< 1347641478 427424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just descartes ;)
< 1347641494 734723 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh, descartes... and the flax fire
< 1347641497 973967 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we discussing the matrix of solidity
< 1347641518 16969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :five tons of flax
< 1347641519 211636 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1347641534 300793 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ITYM five tons of VAX
< 1347641542 921960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eight megs and constantly swapping
< 1347641549 165454 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1347641553 172155 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually munches all computer storage?
< 1347641556 482069 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B132D0A.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347641563 190584 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've spent too long on Tumblr
< 1347641565 574723 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This feels normal
< 1347641567 837163 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great OS, shame about the text editor
< 1347641631 975311 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also on one of the many painful lectures on the church turing thesis i've endured there was some discussion about why "whether the real numbers are what geometry actually talks about" is never questioned while the church turing thesis keeps being debated
< 1347641662 283299 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the reason was stated to be the obvious one: the first attempt at a formal definition was wrong.
< 1347641690 320475 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wanted to mention this because i thought it was a nice observation. kinda obvious i guess.
< 1347641705 322112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the first attempt? primitive recursion?
< 1347641708 932319 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1347641715 793647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weren't there some wrong attempts at real numbers too?
< 1347641728 843050 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also plenty of wrong attempts at set theory
< 1347641728 869783 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i just started wondering about aht
< 1347641729 862261 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that
< 1347641741 648968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people do keep arguing about set theory but they get weird looks from most other mathematicians
< 1347641744 882061 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well set theory also kind of keeps getting questioned by silly people :P
< 1347641761 491576 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i guess silly people also question the reals... but usually for other reasons
< 1347641772 980538 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, true
< 1347641782 213652 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION questions the reals
< 1347641800 964805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, one real contains an infinite amount of information
< 1347641803 46275 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just fucked up
< 1347641819 262059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost all real numbers can never be defined, used, or thought about it any way
< 1347641829 806105 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must have a typo there because you just claimed that a _single number_ is somehow... infinite
< 1347641835 453570 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's insane
< 1347641836 512501 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1347641846 683849 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean they can't seriously think that????
< 1347641848 897850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that the number has infinite magnitude, but that it contains an infinite amount of information
< 1347641858 361435 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's even insaner!
< 1347641864 52715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just write out the decimal expansion
< 1347641871 339930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a real number can have an infinitely long, non-repeating decimal expansion
< 1347641874 305468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact almost all of them do
< 1347641876 13275 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean come one where do you put it unless the magnitude???
< 1347641885 180096 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait are we still doing a bit
< 1347641898 406631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm the tortoise
< 1347641898 633210 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they're blatantly non-computable, so they must go in magic places.
< 1347641925 153952 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I don't know, I think the only reason we have real numbers is because rationals didn't include the diagonal of a square, and transcendental numbers didn't include Pi, e or other random constants
< 1347641956 177265 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computables are so much better.
< 1347641957 368581 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1347641981 786744 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, without sqrt(2) and Pi, who would have ever complained about rational numbers? and we currently don't have *needs* for something more than reals, but what-if?
< 1347641982 758675 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your definition of transcendental number?
< 1347641990 95066 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum
< 1347641995 464983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :man 2 sqrt
< 1347641996 658542 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: We can't even use the reals.
< 1347642003 496651 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because usually it's the complement of algebraic numbers
< 1347642007 736867 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant non-transcendentals
< 1347642010 643597 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: There exist reals which require a halting oracle to compute.
< 1347642010 984644 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it in fact does contain pi
< 1347642011 493643 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1347642025 825525 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: wait, what?
< 1347642054 668819 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is in fact strictly *necessary* for there to be reals which cannot be computed.
< 1347642055 10931 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaitin's_constant
< 1347642060 776674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact almost all reals cannot be computed
< 1347642071 173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are countably many turing machines and uncountably many reals
< 1347642097 28069 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. Wrong cardinality.
< 1347642101 727388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each of those reals contains an infinite amount of (Kolmogorov) information
< 1347642107 765868 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well that doesn't bother me
< 1347642111 916818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT SHOULD!
< 1347642119 526280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :real numbers is a word masturbation
< 1347642122 276171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are educated stupid
< 1347642146 166818 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've personally never tried to compute the digits of Pi, yet I've been "using" that number for a very long time
< 1347642154 421584 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What bothers me is when people refer to the floats as "real numbers".
< 1347642168 520391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"god is real, unless declared integer"
< 1347642180 780917 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are floats that aren't in the set of reals, and vice versa.
< 1347642191 789630 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://what-if.xkcd.com/11/ Why does Munroe's equation imply there are 16 hours in a day?
< 1347642195 367432 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, to store data on computer one needs to "approximate" continuous as discrete
< 1347642205 344945 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: NAN is not a real, but it is a float.
< 1347642224 451269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not a number, i am a free variable!
< 1347642228 272161 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell has libraries for exact real numbers
< 1347642253 789511 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, it does occur to me that not all real numbers can be represented, even with such a library
< 1347642265 947855 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: By necessity.
< 1347642275 106448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just "not all" but "almost none"
< 1347642277 759425 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: The computable numbers are countable.
< 1347642278 945888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a set of measure zero
< 1347642282 390140 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I know
< 1347642296 100163 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Ok, I get that you prefer computable numbers to reals, but come on, analytic completeness is handy
< 1347642301 318766 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the real problem isn't that float has a few special values, that's just computer blah blah. the real big difference is that the floats aren't even a decent subset of the rationals
< 1347642308 196318 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: it's hard to keep your mouth open and pointed at the sky while asleep, so he only counts waking hours
< 1347642313 751228 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: yeah, well, i'm a computerologist and not a mathematician
< 1347642317 189637 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't exactly put calculus on a sound footing in the computables
< 1347642321 596761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that so?
< 1347642323 805909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have heard that you can
< 1347642325 674176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but did not try
< 1347642330 187069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can take limits of computable numbers
< 1347642336 594972 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of computable sequences of computable numbers
< 1347642347 204874 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but said limits are not guaranteed to exist
< 1347642356 17370 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you have a wacko definition of computability
< 1347642357 523663 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, it's also hard to live for 300 years.
< 1347642366 228477 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: isn't there some kind of computable analytic completeness for the computable reals which works just as well in computable analysis?
< 1347642372 314456 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that says something like a limit of a computable sequence of computables is computable...
< 1347642375 659875 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...where did I get the number 300 from? It's 195
< 1347642379 281497 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which i know 0 about but i've heard the term a lot)
< 1347642392 678084 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but really, that causes more problems than it solves
< 1347642431 181002 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a number of properties the floats straight-up don't have.
< 1347642431 522898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why shouldn't a limit of a computable sequence of computables be computable?
< 1347642441 65726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: like reflexivity of equality? ;P
< 1347642446 79681 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x == x does not hold. a+b == b+a does not hold. And so on.
< 1347642447 986691 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes.
< 1347642479 844551 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm not 100% sure, but all my mathmo's reflexes are screaming "this is not well-founded"
< 1347642490 124288 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/founded/formed/
< 1347642516 671621 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to get the nth digit of the limit, you step through the sequence until the (known, computable) convergence bound is close enough, and then you get the right digit of that number
< 1347642541 100959 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, for one thing, recursing this is going to give us some kind of ordinal induction shit
< 1347642593 919641 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it
< 1347642606 700633 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you elaborate
< 1347642640 112352 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not convinced that the computables are going to be a recursive set and that worries me
< 1347642676 22755 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even recursively enumerable for that matter
< 1347642699 272914 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that's true
< 1347642701 566179 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: because once you've got new computables from limits, you can then make sequences with those
< 1347642726 615573 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can do this lots of times, possibly big-fat-ordinal-ly many times
< 1347642733 411466 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see how that'd be a problem if they were some new kind of computable
< 1347642744 935062 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or possibly not, it depends on your defn of computable number)
< 1347642745 104299 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: A set is computable iff it is recursive.
< 1347642746 637588 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1347642765 12655 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i figured we defined convergence so that you have actual closure under limits
< 1347642796 864724 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah but I'm not convinced the set of computable numbers (where limits are included in the defn thereof) is a computable set
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< 1347642881 945398 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the definition of a recursive set is for subsets of the naturals, not subsets of the reals, so we have a problem there
< 1347642892 321353 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The set of computable functions is trivially computable. The set of computable numbers is defined by the subset of the set of computable functions that results in numbers. Thus, the set of computable numbers is a computable set.
< 1347642945 119577 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the point is that trying to stick analytic structure on the computable numbers (or any countable subset of the reals, in fact) gives me the screaming blue willies
< 1347643006 533594 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to compute the computable functions: map ASCII strings to naturals. For each natural, test if it parses in $language. This is an inefficient, but functioning, generator of computable functions.)
< 1347643044 501673 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that only demonstrates that they are recursively enumerable, i think
< 1347643060 328292 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think we need to identify reals with functions
< 1347643070 799543 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the computable numbers are a subset of the reals, not a subset of the naturals
< 1347643087 128817 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm.
< 1347643089 281654 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and R is basically 2^N, right?
< 1347643103 697251 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually.
< 1347643104 824721 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah.
< 1347643137 396401 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, the computable reals biject with the naturals.
< 1347643144 56093 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Telling if a given number is computable might be... Nasty.
< 1347643163 986571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, what form does the turing machine get that number in
< 1347643187 918662 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait soundnfury would know that
< 1347643192 551019 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you people talking about no
< 1347643193 570336 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :w
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< 1347643197 188284 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :telling if a given number is computable sounds like blah blah blah rice's theorem
< 1347643201 853559 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.116.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello
< 1347643209 743032 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sure, they're countable.  But viewing them as a kind of natural number doesn't give you analytic structure
< 1347643212 460462 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yeah.
< 1347643276 708032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think "is the set of computable numbers computable" is not a well posed question
< 1347643279 89202 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kay, the set of computable numbers might only be recursively enumerable?
< 1347643287 340439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because how do you feed a possibly not-computable number into your turing machine to ask if it's computable?
< 1347643308 943346 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes.
< 1347643313 601201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like asking if the set of computable languages is computable
< 1347643377 689947 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'course, the set of reals is clearly not computable. :)
< 1347643437 778346 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you have some oracle that has a real number x, and you're allowed to ask it questions about x (where I haven't defined what 'questions' are but I probably should),
< 1347643446 488764 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't generally determine whether x is computable
< 1347643467 630093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1347643468 145086 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you, however, guarantee that if it is you'll eventually determine that?
< 1347643470 129173 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Mr Oracle, is x computable?"
< 1347643481 772370 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: yeah, not that
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< 1347644155 706919 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you compute x, a great empire will fall!"
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< 1347644381 668113 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but in any case i do agree with soundnfury, it doesn't sound like you'd get an equally nice theory.
< 1347644468 497826 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, I have been agreed with on #esoteric
< 1347644487 564434 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... who are you and what have you done with the real #esoteric?
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< 1347645098 469380 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm wondering about the same thing since i seem to recall we haven't agreed on much sofar :D
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< 1347645334 826519 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey soundnfury what do you think of germaine greer
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< 1347646460 786023 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone knows a good way to convert a .spc tracker file to any sort of wave format
< 1347646471 21264 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPC is an SNES tracker file btw
< 1347646479 928398 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :the issue is my phone doesn't play those
< 1347646481 459990 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use a SNES emulator?
< 1347646490 887379 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"convert" is probably not the right verb
< 1347646493 786004 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe mpt supports that?
< 1347646505 724750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is mpt?
< 1347646510 859428 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"play and record" would be closer
< 1347646514 722143 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, I think the audio chip is a separate program in SNES, so you only need to emulate that chip and not the entire SNES)
< 1347646518 304743 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure whatever the terminology
< 1347646520 873274 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a tracker/player
< 1347646528 833569 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want a wav file so I can put it on my phone :P
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< 1347646541 341121 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of using the wav file, compress it somehow first
< 1347646546 516656 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or get a snes emulator for your phone
< 1347646562 290828 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the first: duh, but wav is easy to compress from
< 1347646564 490796 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://www.purezc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3612
< 1347646567 988535 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do SPC files include a length? Do they contain a program, like NSF and so on do?
< 1347646571 133351 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for the second, I like the stock media player
< 1347646580 412658 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to play the game on the phone either
< 1347646594 699148 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, they are a memory dump of the sound chipset memory iirc
< 1347646610 313978 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do seem to be able to include infinite loops, so I need to restrict that somehow
< 1347646620 531696 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, thanks
< 1347646711 464346 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, well that doesn't seem to end up with a wave file, but rather an .it file
< 1347646730 859779 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you open the .it in mpt and output it to a wave
< 1347646757 379501 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :(after editing it to make sure it only includes the parts you want)
< 1347646770 611013 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1347646784 423401 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely there is a simpler way to do this?
< 1347646793 610750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they just play in vlc
< 1347646797 430306 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and display a length there
< 1347646797 824231 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1347646799 187717 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1347646802 291424 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :play it in vlc
< 1347646816 339109 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :record it from your sound card with your favorite recording program
< 1347646825 613890 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah could work
< 1347647032 245968 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, why is it that many modern onboard sound solutions lack a virtual input for the sound output
< 1347647034 660786 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
< 1347647043 29117 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :my SB Live has it of course
< 1347647049 700893 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldnt know. i've never had that problem
< 1347647117 231967 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey there is vlc for android
< 1347647122 971628 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it can play these files too
< 1347647144 147581 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly it is still in beta and last I tried it, it was very buggy
< 1347647443 606631 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1347648009 332886 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must be missing something that makes "play in VLC, record what's being played" a reasonable thing to do, as opposed to just telling VLC to write the audio to file instead of/in addition to playing it.
< 1347648129 713130 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh you can do that?
< 1347648131 285446 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome
< 1347648148 265596 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how?
< 1347648178 957884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has that whole stream/save GUI dialog; and the command line that I forget how to use.
< 1347648183 276676 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1347648204 181311 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how would converting it work if the tracker file has an infinite loop in it?
< 1347648258 966110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do the "also play locally", you can press stop when you've had enough, I'd think.
< 1347648265 537444 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1347648278 901737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://wiki.videolan.org/Extract_audio if you want the command line magic.
< 1347648299 76323 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could add a bit of fade at the end after or something
< 1347648313 898310 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the music consists of intro followed by infinite loop
< 1347648571 485411 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also vlc on phone doesn't do tracker files it seems
< 1347648573 456286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad
< 1347648738 685622 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i pretty much don't understand how RFNHS3:SDD works. this description is terrible.
< 1347649378 369107 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-101-113.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1347651031 766577 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone remind me that extrapolation is a very bad thing?
< 1347651067 951986 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1347651080 284294 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when do you want that remainder to strike you?
< 1347651092 481662 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Round about now would be nice
< 1347651144 138468 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll ask lambda bot to remind you of that
< 1347651156 707460 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks
< 1347651159 492878 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell atriq EXTRAPOLATION. IS. VERY. BAD.
< 1347651160 189058 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347651175 168433 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347651188 446495 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about context?
< 1347651201 120589 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some cases I'm pretty sure extrapolations can be good
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< 1347651218 191942 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been trying to predict how long Act 6 Intermission 3 of Homestuck is going to be.
< 1347651218 710091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1347651222 485957 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1347651222 656166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen said 1m 3s ago: EXTRAPOLATION. IS. VERY. BAD.
< 1347651230 689394 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen Thank you.
< 1347651231 29923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347651243 717596 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I make it 204
< 1347651261 573730 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying very hard right now not to type "@tell atriq you're welcom"
< 1347651262 454704 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1347651270 626566 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1347651271 211159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq said 40s ago: Thank you.
< 1347651290 697493 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell atriq You're welcome!
< 1347651291 270319 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347651291 986226 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.61.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm...
< 1347651294 759679 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, I'm weak
< 1347651298 414047 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.61.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1347651298 582256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages.
< 1347651299 945036 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear-messages
< 1347651300 59163 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages cleared.
< 1347651302 871022 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND I AM STRONG
< 1347651310 184324 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND RUDE.
< 1347651338 697623 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know of that command
< 1347651363 990282 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1347651842 758786 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn something every day
< 1347651842 930572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1347651849 766306 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1347651849 784863 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen said 8m 37s ago: You're welcome!
< 1347651855 652031 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAH
< 1347651858 962257 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAH
< 1347651860 661730 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
< 1347651866 229539 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nixon Help!
< 1347651866 398439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't try to take on a new personality; it doesn't work.
< 1347651885 488424 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It. Doesn't. Work.
< 1347651886 477275 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo aaaaaaaaaa
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< 1347651986 736035 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where's fungot?
< 1347652051 782792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may have a thing.
< 1347652053 797695 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing a thing.
< 1347652055 358906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing.
< 1347652090 276015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to thing but thing's a long time.
< 1347652097 131109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, now it thinged.
< 1347652119 242937 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347652125 521912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm kinda slep.)
< 1347652134 271961 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot slep?
< 1347652134 989939 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: did you let it!), and c1 x is x.
< 1347652338 274423 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-101-113.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1347652343 405882 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wokked up some kind of 30 hours ago, but don't want to get all misdiurnaligned.
< 1347652574 464382 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sleeping for 30 hours seems worse than being a bit misaligned
< 1347652653 427473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There weren't really opportunities.
< 1347652663 519417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should've'pt'n'e'lane.
< 1347652689 283890 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what were you doing?
< 1347652716 582240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was this interactive multimedia system, I mostly just fiddled with that.
< 1347652724 174628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those seats don't run. I mean, recline much.
< 1347652798 991270 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"an interesting problem crossed my path, and when I looked up to the clock, 30 hours had passed already"
< 1347652829 517310 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, "interactive multimedia system"... does that mean you've been playing VIDEO GAMES?
< 1347652858 355222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No, it's the personal video/audio on demand kind of thing. (Okay, it had some games.)
< 1347652884 183177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also including Bejeweled®.
< 1347652923 87335 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wait, they have an implementation of lode runner in here? let's try it... holy crap we're tomorrow!"
< 1347653027 71445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person in the next seat was playing some kind of "learn a language" word-matching phrase-filling whatevernot kind of game, and doing that for Finnish.
< 1347653032 519058 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was sorta weird.
< 1347653430 463157 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up a word "anticategory" for a semigroupoid(category except identity) which has no endomorphisms.
< 1347653543 507111 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did he finnish the game?
< 1347653608 270495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: She, and at least some levels, yes.
< 1347653623 350245 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1347653741 78373 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1347656133 610514 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1347656135 436707 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish
< 1347656325 927990 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: I suspect fizzie was too slep to notice the pun
< 1347656344 553124 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it did take me 40 minutes
< 1347656915 900570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No, I noticed it.
< 1347656927 237416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I just didn't want to dignify it with a response.
< 1347657146 496517 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you just did
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< 1347657580 918053 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-1-69.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
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< 1347659006 788521 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :After I make the Elemental Solitaire Famicom game, then I might make up the hangman game on Famicom, using the Famicom keyboard.
< 1347659051 940758 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347659177 841414 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function
< 1347659186 396714 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why do you like famicom
< 1347659259 816222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to try to write some software on it.
< 1347659308 194011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The only hardware I have is a clone, which has a 60-pin slot and some games built-in, many of which do not work properly.)
< 1347659335 548819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also have no way to program a ROM cartridge. But, I do have emulator, so I can use that.)
< 1347659506 370207 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it hard to write for
< 1347659515 795660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhat.
< 1347659521 375793 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :6502 assembly?
< 1347659525 139854 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1347659536 465572 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And decimal mode doesn't work.
< 1347659540 553963 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that LFSR PRNG work out for you
< 1347659558 306375 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decided not to use it; I am using something else.
< 1347659594 475813 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1347659684 415146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather, it uses ARCFOUR to shuffle the deck many times per frame, and has a limit equal to the number of cards remaining in the deck (at first 52); this limit is reduced when cards are dealt, causing the memory for cards already dealt to remain static until the game is restarted.
< 1347659741 520688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It seems easier to simulate modulus arithmetic if doing it this way, for one thing.)
< 1347659757 423660 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ARCFOUR
< 1347659777 65860 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The open-source and non-trademarked version of RC4
< 1347659799 98492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually only a part of the ARCFOUR algorithm is used; not all of it.)
< 1347659828 364228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347659956 646244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:34:14: <Arc_Koen> basically for a program to be reversible, it must not allow information to be destroyed right?
< 1347659959 625530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:34:35: <Arc_Koen> but there's nothing wrong with information being created
< 1347659971 142054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, those are equally forbidden.
< 1347659984 128151 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really?
< 1347660017 520339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the code to shuffle the cards:   http://sprunge.us/PNJM
< 1347660025 989251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess you could have a weaker version of reversible as you say
< 1347660027 51126 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point was that a program could be "reversible" (not sure that's the right word) without its reverse being reversible as well
< 1347660032 447417 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :)
< 1347660102 471150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although hm
< 1347660121 812166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Can I access sprunge.us over Gopher?
< 1347660127 119542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :most programming languages don't actually create information most of the time
< 1347660137 713073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they are deterministic
< 1347660171 114875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Unfortunately not because it seems to requires a Host: header.
< 1347660173 964298 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, well you can ask for input, or use functions like a random number, or stuff
< 1347660186 254617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Gopher doesn't have that?
< 1347660191 267825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, what a useless protocol.
< 1347660198 521474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Internet *NEEDS* a Host: header!
< 1347660205 146781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, you can do it without a Host: header, as follows:   gopher://sprunge.us:80/0http://sprunge.us/PNJM
< 1347660217 328824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, you can do it without a Host: header, as follows:   gopher://sprunge.us:80/0GET%20http://sprunge.us/PNJM
< 1347660219 662663 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure many programming languages have functions to "put stuff back on the input buffer"
< 1347660221 581428 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might work.
< 1347660247 947894 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though "take stuff back from the output buffer" is impossible if it has been flushed
< 1347660253 803668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: With IPv6 you don't need, which is why some gopher is IPv6-only.
< 1347660271 726778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha
< 1347660304 893048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher will make a comeback!
< 1347660325 337412 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for a problem with the sprunge.us it is using Google server which has a bug making headerless HTTP not working properly.
< 1347660329 659170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell Google to fix this.
< 1347660339 683180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google please fix this
< 1347660343 533368 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pleasefixtheiphone.com/
< 1347660343 704915 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Most wanted ever | Please fix the iPhone
< 1347660439 620534 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so did you read the whole log before you joined?
< 1347660490 856515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Arc_Koen> oh, so "real fast" applied to "download"
< 1347660501 778882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i _am_ reading the whole log.
< 1347660524 887731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i was imagining Nora as the fastest hairdresser ever :(
< 1347660549 149720 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it was kinda catchy
< 1347660553 262506 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1347660650 135707 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I had an idea for a nondeterministic program
< 1347660673 88420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Nora apparently died in the first movie, so I guess not.
< 1347660700 588713 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that'd use Pascal's triangle - that is, have an "instruction pointer" bounce off several nodes before hitting an instruction to execute
< 1347660712 114950 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/rogram/language
< 1347660758 70473 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe some of the instruction would make the instruction pointer bounce back into that structure. or maybe there can be flow control instructions on the node
< 1347660776 100729 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like switches or whatever)
< 1347660819 571349 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1347660832 310679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bean_machine ?
< 1347660851 956208 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1347660859 58995 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, if that's what I think it is)
< 1347660875 50133 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a quick question for everyone, but I want to ask it someplace that's not logged
< 1347660886 993911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i got to it by googling "pascal's triangle binomial distribution balls"
< 1347660899 520832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i couldn't remember what it was called
< 1347660916 137799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's ok it's just hemorrhoids
< 1347660954 678365 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: maybe you can paste it in a place that's cleared every day
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< 1347661196 623880 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: is #sgeosquestion logged?
< 1347661209 497562 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :just asking hypothetically
< 1347661469 912828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<atriq> LAMBDA APPLY ZERO LAMBDA LAMBDA ZERO should be an "at", or a cat that ignores the first character
< 1347661516 271536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x (\y \z z)
< 1347661529 801768 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh
< 1347661531 650156 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: can you explain why RFNHS3:SDD is turing-complete?
< 1347661542 305181 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so \x expr means lambdax.expr
< 1347661546 997628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: because it encodes lambda calculus, duh
< 1347661559 388652 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get the numbers thing
< 1347661569 82429 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather
< 1347661571 514007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: it's de bruijn notation, i wrote
< 1347661571 766342 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how application works
< 1347661582 846535 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand de bruijn notation really
< 1347661617 844694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you replace "n" by the variable of the n'th surrounding lambda.  starting at 0'th in this case.
< 1347661672 590303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait
< 1347661686 816430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh
< 1347661703 811486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ (0 \ \ 0)
< 1347661717 747537 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: though I appreciate the de bruijn link, your explanation on the channel was far more explicit than the one on the wiki page, if I recall correctly
< 1347661718 986754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ x (x \y \z z)
< 1347661767 312227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: well the thing is that actually doing the application with de bruikn indices is a bit complicated - you need to adjust some of the numbers
< 1347661780 287828 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1347661787 183820 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1347661800 222005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i couldn't be bothered to write it all out
< 1347661801 105767 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause of names clash or something?
< 1347661808 636986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not clash.
< 1347661822 743874 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I know what you mean
< 1347661841 303487 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: so basically, by default the variable in a lambda expression is named ZERO
< 1347661848 5440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when you copy an expression to a different level, all the numbers that refer outside the expression need to be added a constant to
< 1347661876 972102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while those that refer _inside_ the expression are kept as is
< 1347661884 539152 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you have LAMBDA (... LAMBDA(...)), the ZERO in the innermost lambda is the variable of the innermost lambda; so the variable of the toplevel lambda is ONE MORE THAN ZERO
< 1347661932 840766 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular the variable of a lambda may be named differently in different parts of the expression
< 1347661933 656074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok atriq's at looks right when i fixed my error
< 1347661948 624937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: exactly!
< 1347661962 457706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't i write that on the wiki...
< 1347661968 224410 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more or less
< 1347661976 793257 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you did write that on this channel :)
< 1347661994 249923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no
< 1347661999 507991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1347662293 138327 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: λx.(x λy.xy) would be written as λ(ZERO λ(ONE ZERO))
< 1347662359 313956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: expanded the wiki explanation a bit, probably still hard to read :P
< 1347662368 489949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(λ.0 (λ.1 0))
< 1347662389 510887 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except it would actually be LAMBDA APPLY ZERO LAMBDA APPLY ONE MORE THAN ZERO ZERO)
< 1347662427 900564 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I feel like I'm hurting my computer when writing like that
< 1347662440 194355 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thats your brain
< 1347662448 543816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: rsi-ffic
< 1347662458 677988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you programming in Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download?
< 1347662467 982643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a webapp framework for Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download yet?
< 1347662483 604546 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what a webapp framework is
< 1347662489 276540 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is in the Unimplemented category
< 1347662494 942484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a framework which helps you write web applications
< 1347662495 111987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION for a microsecond considers replacing ESME by Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster in the topic
< 1347662560 668332 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps send a message to people making sprunge tell them to remove the HTTP headers.
< 1347662576 485538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need RFNHS3:SDD.NET
< 1347662615 745063 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't forget the Download PART
< 1347662636 840936 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise people will think the hairdresser is real fast!
< 1347662706 700875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:46:35: <atriq> No
< 1347662706 719369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:46:42: <atriq> It means apply KI to input
< 1347662721 971052 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's a yoga thing
< 1347662723 296391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think atriq is _still_ confused about the term "apply to"
< 1347662766 145498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one applies a function to an argument, but he seems to be using it in reverse
< 1347662808 198924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but his actual examples show he means RFNHS3SDD to have the usual order
< 1347662870 871517 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can only imagine this isn't helped by everything potentially being a function and an argument
< 1347662880 632081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1347662897 98450 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@
< 1347662922 979563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no, itidus21 don't faint, it's _okay_ to be right occasionally!
< 1347662952 258608 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APPLY LAMBDA APPLY ZERO ZERO LAMBDA APPLY ZERO ZERO
< 1347662955 642106 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey look, infinite loop
< 1347662956 70570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats himself for being evil -----###
< 1347662977 486968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\(0 0) \(0 0))
< 1347662984 718276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1347663037 733271 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually the example that made me began to not understand how ocaml worked
< 1347663041 804780 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let x x = x in x x
< 1347663091 610214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that's the same...
< 1347663094 439316 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok it could be less confusing as "let f x = x in f f"
< 1347663104 501718 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes it is
< 1347663110 590213 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh
< 1347663112 772162 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not
< 1347663115 786192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym = x x
< 1347663122 347864 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1347663123 806716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which btw cannot type
< 1347663129 797760 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that was the problem
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< 1347663142 561514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you give option -t to ocaml
< 1347663148 652775 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what?
< 1347663175 424567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there's an option to allow cyclic types, i used it for an unlambda -> ocaml "compiler"
< 1347663198 115209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite sure it was called -t
< 1347663208 839127 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well -t is not in the toplevel otpions
< 1347663223 998685 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :  -rectypes  Allow arbitrary recursive types
< 1347663224 241745 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe
< 1347663316 365460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's it
< 1347663322 555111 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :# let x x = x in x x;;
< 1347663322 811848 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- : '_a -> '_a = <fun>
< 1347663323 38913 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :# let x x = x x in x x;;
< 1347663323 257733 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^CInterrupted.
< 1347663327 399709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/unl2caml/
< 1347663328 363502 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with otpion -rectypes)
< 1347663348 4738 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the second line I interrupted because apparently it was indeed an infinite loop)
< 1347663384 345865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1347663442 981936 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :# let y = (let x x = x in x x) in y y;;
< 1347663443 234909 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :- : 'a -> 'a as 'a = <fun>
< 1347663450 789216 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummmm never had "as 'a" before
< 1347663467 875477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell has the newtype declaration instead, which requires you to explicitly wrap things but is deleted on compilation
< 1347663531 275437 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :# (let y = (let x x = x in x x) in y y) 3;;
< 1347663531 743192 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: This expression has type int but an expression was expected of type
< 1347663531 761702 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :         'a -> 'a as 'a
< 1347663534 930925 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell
< 1347663541 530676 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was supposed to yield a 3
< 1347663593 606256 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"let x x = x" makes x the identity; "in x x" is id id which is id; so y is id; so y y is id; so (...) 3 should be 3
< 1347663628 576145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: 'a -> 'a as 'a  means a function which takes its own type as argument and result.  you cannot pass it an int.
< 1347663642 700252 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhh nice
< 1347663661 662411 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so hum
< 1347663665 661940 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could pass it itself
< 1347663670 566976 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and... that's about it?
< 1347663719 454457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lots of other things fit, e.g. any pure lambda expression
< 1347663748 987827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'a -> 'a as 'a  basically is the closest thing you can get to untyped lambda calculus
< 1347663809 587360 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.61.46 QUIT :Quit: impomatic
< 1347663811 17671 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329a93.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be nice to have such comments automatically beeing associated with these 'expressions' by a bot, to be accessible for other users looking for help/comments
< 1347663857 312449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: `pastelogs, hth
< 1347663971 324202 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329a93.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm can you make make an example for "'a -> 'a as 'a" and "means a function which takes its own type as argument and result.  you cannot pass it an int"
< 1347664027 225221 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347664045 426406 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell atriq so your church incrementation excerpt translates to λxyzt.x z (y z t), right?
< 1347664046 111862 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347664053 103112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:13:31: <kmc> <Arc_Koen> I thought they had a formal definition for "everything"
< 1347664056 206397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:13:35: <kmc> that definition is turing machine
< 1347664058 852713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:14:04: <kmc> or if you like lambda calculus, they are equivalently powerful
< 1347664070 586028 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, now you're getting to the interesting part of the log :)
< 1347664086 823841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not everything, is it?
< 1347664093 965647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no context for that.
< 1347664100 524526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can talk about things more powerful than Turing machines, though.
< 1347664132 652346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of what makes the church-turing thesis so believable is that every time they have invented another way to compute that can actually be realistically achieved, it turns out to be at most that powerful
< 1347664158 675539 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what about those quantum computers
< 1347664192 601361 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not more powerful.  exponentially faster in some cases, but given enough time, they're the same strength.
< 1347664221 208245 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that's disappointing
< 1347664222 134868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof: a classical computer can simulate a quantum computer using exponential time
< 1347664244 295415 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we probably have to wait for the time-travel machine then
< 1347664252 179992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's just complex matrix calculations, after all)
< 1347664330 163800 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329a93.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we use the effect of quantum entanglement in some way to speed up things in some way?
< 1347664373 843980 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329a93.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-some way
< 1347664387 619497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: well that's the theory of quantum computing.  at most exponential speedup, however.  (and not for all calculations, prime factorization is the most famous one.)
< 1347664397 166545 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. It's called quantum computing
< 1347664413 635322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just have to quote the tagline of scott aronson's blog...
< 1347664415 722222 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329a93.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay.
< 1347664424 972291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*aaronson
< 1347664442 577929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Quantum computers are not known to be able"
< 1347664442 596469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to solve NP-complete problems in polynomial time, 
< 1347664445 465955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and can be simulated classically with exponential slowdown.
< 1347664459 511424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't irssi have dwim pasting :(
< 1347664470 676088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-" +"
< 1347664544 59915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Arc_Koen> @tell atriq so your church incrementation excerpt translates to λxyzt.x z (y z t), right? <-- that looks correct for incrementation, anyway
< 1347664681 931641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh this recent post looks a bit relevant, and funny :P http://www.scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=1121
< 1347665594 346285 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure he explains much
< 1347665687 409383 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329a93.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you want a Turing machine to toast bread, you need to connect it to a toaster; then the TM can easily handle the toaster’s internal logic (unless this particular toaster requires solving the halting problem or something like that to determine how brown the bread should be!). " *laugh
< 1347665890 904862 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1347666152 301837 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, the TM may still be working on the logic long after your hunger passes
< 1347666201 917168 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another argument in favour of quantum toasting
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< 1347666713 288672 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :invariable
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< 1347667268 613392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any FPGA/CPLD where the software to program it is built-in to the device itself instead of requiring a PC?
< 1347667432 779200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Arc_Koen> (still it does sound like "oh btw, did I mention the bridge you've been walking on for the last few years has never been tested? It could potentially collapse at any moment.")
< 1347667467 339098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_vacuum hth >:)
< 1347667513 375028 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_field_theory, a false vacuum is a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metastability sector of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space that appears to be a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_state, but is unstable due to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instanton effects that may http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_tunnelling to a lower energy state.
< 1347667519 831412 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks wikipedia, that explains a lot
< 1347667532 980433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what kind of copy/paste is that.
< 1347667571 359336 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhm I've been using colloquy for a couple weeks and its behaviour is often... unexpected
< 1347667573 597509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the introduction is not very helpful.
< 1347667683 120567 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying very hard to believe that what follow is
< 1347667694 93392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i guess not.
< 1347667717 203358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :try the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schild%27s_Ladder link in there instead.
< 1347668175 4856 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the part about it being in quantum field theory may be a red herring to understanding what a false vacuum is
< 1347668418 388790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that _does_ tend to hide the sheer horror of it under incomprehensible math, yes.
< 1347668506 377260 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well see you
< 1347668513 872056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye
< 1347668523 746762 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thanks for all the interesting new stuff
< 1347668531 206687 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it all sounds so fun all these big words
< 1347668551 652414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/120914.html :P
< 1347668551 722441 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: that's dr. turing to you, punk
< 1347668688 348751 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats a pretty good comic
< 1347668763 579942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can this be used to make a program on microcontrollers (and on the FPGA itself) to do dynamic programming on FPGA?   http://dfusion.com.au/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=AT40K+Bitstream+Format
< 1347668810 254483 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well this is the problem with the universe http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/120907.html
< 1347668878 379596 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :dora is the healthy one
< 1347669120 15308 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and heres what the comic points to
< 1347669144 690603 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just happened to have open http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorites_paradox
< 1347669222 529919 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the thing of it is, if one package can be unique, with a special recipient and a magical journey
< 1347669259 472640 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you add more packages, at what point do they cease to be unique, and on magical journeys
< 1347669366 592167 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine that talkshow hosts feel the same way about celebrities
< 1347669655 984965 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, help me my brain starts learning every time i attend lectures.. but they have hooked me up to youtube lecture streams as in a clockwork orange (i admit i dont want to learn)
< 1347670577 138993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...thank you for making me regret pasting that link.
< 1347670592 855856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just what iti does
< 1347670600 907676 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i react like this to everything
< 1347670714 836224 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the micro scale i am typing... on the macro scale i am dying
< 1347670775 736226 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, can i really treat dying as a verb i am doing?
< 1347671118 871135 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well.. if i bite into a cooke am i doing hysteresis?
< 1347671135 250625 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^cookie
< 1347671253 701760 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha..
< 1347671364 700282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Noras-Hair-Salon-Shear-Disaster/product-reviews/B004FK5E8E
< 1347671599 525132 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains a lot
< 1347672106 95069 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347672111 590700 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sumotorrent.com/en/details/6113662/Noras Hair Salon 3 Shear Disaster 2011 DVDRip XviD-ph2.html
< 1347672307 844773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch this movie for us itidus21
< 1347672516 644801 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in another universe i did... all that is needed now is to find this other me
< 1347672588 520989 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so began the quest to find another universe
< 1347673394 291528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in context "everything" meant "everything in the real world"
< 1347673407 758744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we did discuss the arithmetic hierarchy later, though
< 1347673431 585120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, how goes?
< 1347673573 429232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is back in the bay area.
< 1347673620 200089 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bay of biscay?
< 1347673634 565766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any other?
< 1347673886 35513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bagel area
< 1347673950 920639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION probably ought to figure out what to do next.
< 1347673980 22864 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1347674841 210990 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would a 32 bit version of the 6502 look like
< 1347675056 851802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogs playing poker
< 1347675096 938891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 32-bit processor with only 3 registers would be amusing
< 1347675131 638197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's basically x86, isn't it?
< 1347675138 284034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c
< 1347675152 388400 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahah :D
< 1347675161 165566 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that's why it's called 386
< 1347675175 52775 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :86 is kinda half way between a z80 and an ARM
< 1347675230 189770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 86*2-80 -- ARM?
< 1347675231 243658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  92
< 1347675303 730685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPv4 is running out.
< 1347675316 535276 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a strong believer in path dependance in PC hardware..(was just reading about the word path dependance) and i have tried to rant about it in some places i think
< 1347675353 110238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is itidus21 a bot?
< 1347675385 231450 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what do you think about path dependence?
< 1347675386 177375 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: http://www.scheme.com/ tspl2d/ fnord the hopes of fixing the font problem, is what i'm saying is it's trivial to write
< 1347675410 42994 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1347675455 537401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot should have a mode like sourbot_ where you can seed it with a word.
< 1347675455 898097 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if i want.
< 1347675462 348462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you want.
< 1347675462 858428 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's time to poof. it's like fnord
< 1347675471 750498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style
< 1347675472 86274 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
< 1347675474 158604 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1347675474 808711 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: hyphens or not. listening ( reading) feels uncomfortable because i suppose i could
< 1347675476 37430 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1347675476 846632 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: ( that's cl, though, if i let it loose in e.g. his fnord book " combinatory logic" is stupid? try using poc.
< 1347675477 323061 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot
< 1347675478 220717 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: but stuff like fnord. and here, " i", a book on my head as something i can never remember which argument i'm allowed to do ' korsossa' a module system,
< 1347675480 862976 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fungot wants to talk about fnord.
< 1347675481 543637 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: you're probably part of a type does not exist in your paste is an example line of code that is either working or very close
< 1347675489 121632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Are you an op in here?
< 1347675499 538909 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, am I, fungot?
< 1347675500 246350 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: and check with xev what keys are bound to a procedure in the procedure's scope. if you
< 1347675509 708107 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he says no.
< 1347675578 650988 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think for example PC's don't need to be based on circuit boards.
< 1347675623 57156 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again that may be because i don't realize what all that stuff on circuit boards does
< 1347675681 488315 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1347675918 412950 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i think pc's are too upgrade focused.. i think that the machines could possibly be more efficient if you just ordered one efficient mass of electrical components which didn't care about space or extensability
< 1347675936 941922 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^extensibility
< 1347676076 797481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't *have* to be based on circuitboards, and indeed the bulk of the circuitry isn't actually on a board (it's in the chips), but boards are easy to manufacture and design.
< 1347676166 899263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, circuit boards are still used even on computers not meant to be upgradeable
< 1347676173 62985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the macbook air and "ultrabooks"
< 1347676175 296181 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also cell phones, etc
< 1347676193 209038 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm.. ok ill skip onto my next point then.
< 1347676197 539297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a tremendous fixed cost to engineering a bunch of stuff together onto one chip
< 1347676199 276286 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347676203 400184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only do it if you're selling a bajillion of something
< 1347676216 966369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you try to buy standard parts and integrate them at board level
< 1347676218 355194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, look up 'system on a chip' though, it's basically what you were talking about.
< 1347676230 788794 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple sells a bajillion iphones and cares very much about making them thin, light, poer-efficient, etc.
< 1347676233 715478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they design some custom chips
< 1347676240 963263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should release a new dip called "system on a chip".
< 1347676274 758190 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would sell well among people who were on a good salary
< 1347676295 756529 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even then you'll still need a board to solder USB ports etc. onto.
< 1347676315 362221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: you can make an AVR microprocessor blink prime numbers to an LED with only the chip, a battery, a resistor, and the LED
< 1347676318 289994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no circuit board
< 1347676433 712401 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if they sat down (as they always do before working) and decided to do a design which incorporated all the parts of a pc in one dependant design
< 1347676445 934791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes they have standing desks
< 1347676525 215372 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, how often do you think Clojure people copy Haskell stuff without realizing that Clojure functions can do things that Haskell functions can't?
< 1347676527 348212 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine they could cut down on bus latency if they had enough design freedom
< 1347676549 903391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You'd only do that if you were really board.
< 1347676654 213789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 are you an electrical engineer now
< 1347676718 552932 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a cosmology professor
< 1347676806 860809 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no.. >.<
< 1347676909 301185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: it is pretty common these days to combine multiple semiconductor dies into a single package that a circuit board designer would call "a chip"
< 1347676925 849421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. processor and ram stacked together into a single package with a single set of legs (well, more likely, balls) to talk to the outside world
< 1347676982 68310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a level of integration between die-level and board-level
< 1347676996 325159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AMD makes this 12-core CPU which is basically just two of their 6-core CPUs stuck together in one package which fits in one socket
< 1347677008 294827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had a box with 4 of those at my last job... it was pretty sick
< 1347677027 837907 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other day i heard someone argue that cpu is a bottleneck and gpu is not... that sparked this train of thought that they are mad
< 1347677040 904750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it depends on what you're doing...
< 1347677046 921523 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah @_@
< 1347677051 440991 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does..
< 1347677056 22008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for bitcoin mining the GPU is the only important component
< 1347677068 916330 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people build boxes with four $500 graphics cards, $20 CPU, $20 of RAM
< 1347677086 165594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't even need the IO bandwidth to/from the graphics cards
< 1347677086 844363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :$20 can get you a lot of RAM these days.
< 1347677093 994356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION 's laptop has $40 worth of RAM.
< 1347677103 418372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people will cut pins off of the graphics cards so they fit in the slower PCIe x1 slots
< 1347677117 257057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one extreme
< 1347677319 633641 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that the form of productivity they are doing with those graphics cards is that they are changing the world by accumulating money
< 1347677381 943187 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure of the right wording for this
< 1347677465 462624 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure that kind of bitcoin mining is profitable anymore
< 1347677495 174870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are any other kinds of bitcoin mining profitable?
< 1347677501 868118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also even if you accumulate a bunch of bitcoins, the exchange you use to turn them into real money will probably get hacked and you'll lose everything
< 1347677515 315457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if you turn them into real money first.
< 1347677525 225627 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PART :#esoteric
< 1347677620 6387 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, on some level it is productive to transfer or create money
< 1347678866 458320 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hmm.. could it be that some software is best written for gpus then?
< 1347678876 660169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, yes
< 1347678884 979532 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some algorithms execute much much faster on GPUs
< 1347678900 626709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPUs have what's called a SIMD architecture: single instruction, multiple data
< 1347678903 763928 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my understanding is that most software runs exclusively on cpus
< 1347678913 874998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning that you can operate on a lot of data at once, if you're doing the same thing to each piece of data
< 1347678944 720183 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm
< 1347678963 318636 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could call them something fancy like gpu-apps
< 1347678968 917744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the case of bitcoin mining, you are applying the same hash function (double SHA256) to a lot of different inputs
< 1347678990 101612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to find an input such that the output has a certain unusual property
< 1347679019 377893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of the viability of the currency, the core bitcoin idea of using hash chaining as a distributed timestamp service is really fucking clever
< 1347679035 118065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the coolest new ideas i've heard in computer science in the past few years
< 1347679087 555699 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that what hashcash does?
< 1347679107 503872 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in the "searching for input where output has X propert" thing
< 1347679137 517521 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, GitHub for Windows has an ugly metro-ish UI
< 1347679209 296248 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some compilers should have a -gpu parameter
< 1347679269 908783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hmm, it does use hashing for proof of work
< 1347679279 182393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't provide a distributed timestamp service or anything so fancy
< 1347679307 940124 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bitcoin protocol lets you establish cryptographically that you had a specific piece of data at a specific time
< 1347679314 215962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :without anyone trusting a central entity
< 1347679322 926257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems useful beyond cryptocurrency
< 1347679338 479560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an application to naming (namecoin) and there would seem to be applications to intellectual property, etc
< 1347679344 379902 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i see its called gpgpu
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< 1347680816 523840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For algorithms which execute much faster on GPUs, is that what Checkout esolang is for?
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< 1347681187 160433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think so
< 1347681435 278867 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347681452 996709 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :APPLY LAMBDA foo APPLY itidus21
< 1347681464 483497 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that.. 
< 1347681535 930183 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric : what i mean is
< 1347681546 923819 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can apply itidus to foo
< 1347681565 652864 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think i said it wrong
< 1347681613 935138 :invariable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable
< 1347681634 612137 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg, applying itidus21 to ESME results in a country practice
< 1347681666 330779 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.iwt.net.au/sideprojects/esme-groove.jpg
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< 1347686241 637056 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There exists a language called Smarty.
< 1347686286 887807 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a template language. How boring
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< 1347687398 219594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, compiler feature idea: if the user supplies code that's incorrectly indented, it just reindents the source as it compiles it
< 1347687425 76907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is continuing on their crusade to annoy both Python fans and non-Python fans equally with programming language style
< 1347687455 175351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if the source is read-only, it'd refuse to compile it unless it were correctly indented already
< 1347687480 343472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe
< 1347687493 814020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Go has a One True Style which is enforced by some tool
< 1347687498 309094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think it's part of the compiler per se
< 1347687521 61114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that this lets me do other things too
< 1347687532 319319 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the user supplies bad code, delete it
< 1347687539 433055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, there'd be an "unreachable" keyword that you can use to mark code that should be unreachable
< 1347687550 228386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it actually /is/ unreachable, then the compiler comments it out for you with special reversible comments
< 1347687571 623441 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and comments it back in again if it turns out to be not unreachable, so your editor's syntax highlighter can warn you)
< 1347687590 942275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you might see zzo38's Checkout question a page or so above
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< 1347688004 302418 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Off-topic, but what's controversial about ais523's UTM?
< 1347688045 256754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses an infinite tape that's initiated with a complicated pattern
< 1347688085 449717 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the question is whether it's legal to have a pre-initialized tape?
< 1347688088 655641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the question becomes how much of the universality is in the setup and how much is in the actual TM
< 1347688096 904954 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wolfram thinks so.
< 1347688138 500923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well his rule 110 automaton also used infinite setup, although iiuc that was at least periodic on each side
< 1347688197 296189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :("his" in the sense he maybe invented the automaton, not the proof of universality, which he only paid for.)
< 1347688231 709573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then sued the prover when he tried to publish it independently
< 1347688271 861618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm personally much more confident on TC-ness when input and output are finite.
< 1347688272 710759 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the 2,3 machine
< 1347688288 269545 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematicians and their sillyness
< 1347688293 12287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: i'm saying they have the same issue, although the 2,3 machine more so
< 1347688326 347677 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: clearly he is so bored in his work that he has time to go around suing people
< 1347688351 201947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: ... you know nothing about wolfram, i take.
< 1347688370 666303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has an ego about 10 sizes bigger than the solar system.
< 1347688405 87860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he sued so that it would be first published in his own book, which is full of hype.
< 1347688416 307322 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh that book
< 1347688431 576760 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not that book
< 1347688438 548559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a new kind of science"
< 1347688457 882514 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A kind of nuisance
< 1347688495 59657 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wolfram published an article on particle physics[6] but claimed to be bored and left Eton prematurely in 1976"
< 1347688501 271335 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so he really does get bored....
< 1347688539 437027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: sorry but you aren't original :P http://www.amazon.com/review/R31DLUYNKIUR0C
< 1347688604 661234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 of 16 people found the following review helpful.  but just 1 star.
< 1347688679 100233 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is also interesting http://www.amazon.com/review/B004FK5E8E
< 1347688700 337989 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it is a universal principle that everyone of sufficient complexity tends to make fun of Wolfram.
< 1347688725 601706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it's the reviewer that gives the star.
< 1347688756 324803 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that Isaac Newton was also a jackass
< 1347688787 832454 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which doesn't make Wolfram comparable to Newton except in that regard)
< 1347689014 137899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Jafet> Wolfram thinks so. ← I used to think this, but I changed my mind; the mathematicians at Wolfram Science who actually /read/ the proof think so
< 1347689024 964229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as I can tell, Wolfram actually doesn't know and isn't interested
< 1347689061 290400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shell.cas.usf.edu/~wclark/ANKOS_humor.html
< 1347689114 711213 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh? I thought he did all the actual math at WR.
< 1347689132 742997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever would make you think that?
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< 1347689168 527825 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, what did you think all the other people at Wolfram Science (or is it Wolfram Research?) actually /do/?
< 1347689287 53586 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They run around picking up after his brilliant discoveries
< 1347689294 277573 :drocta!62ff0f37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.255.15.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh
< 1347689328 697775 :drocta!62ff0f37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.255.15.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I made https://github.com/drocta/TILDE-ATH
< 1347689331 866105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: anyway, the main controversy is whether the initialization is /too/ complex to be considered TC
< 1347689358 853553 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm....?
< 1347689377 904878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: a system has two parts, an inference rule and an initial condition, right?
< 1347689385 254086 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 2,3 machine has a very very simple inference rule
< 1347689405 918551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in order to get it to emulate an arbitrary Turing machine, you need a very very complex initial condition
< 1347689420 361444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the debate's about whether initial conditions that complex should be "allowed"
< 1347689442 578845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO, it's obvious that that one should be from an engineering point of view, but mathematicians need precise definitions and they didn't formulate one in advance that applies to this
< 1347689455 815179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's still a computable initial condition, presumably
< 1347689469 253947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so you still get an initial condition even for a machine which ends up not halting
< 1347689474 458748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind of a significant point
< 1347689487 62268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the problem is it's infinitely long
< 1347689499 11338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are some obvious ways of cheating if you're allowed an infinitely long infinite condition
< 1347689509 480952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which?
< 1347689509 990413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "simulate the program, keep printing 0s while you're simulating and 1 if it happens to halt"
< 1347689525 165956 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's entirely computable, in that you can compute the first n bits of the initial condition no problem, likewise the nth
< 1347689538 920007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet it encodes haltingness into the initial condition rather than the actual program
< 1347689552 211073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :messing with infinities tends to lead to problems in maths
< 1347689562 633541 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the approach I'm trying to go down is to generate a finite description of the infinite condition
< 1347689569 150085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :together with an expansion program that's obviously sub-TC
< 1347689580 19017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last few years have been trying to define "obviously sub-TC" :)
< 1347689597 397313 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ideally the condition should be independent of the program.
< 1347689608 163194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need to mess with infinites then you need to do it properly
< 1347689632 24175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, I came up with a definition, http://esolangs.org/wiki/1cnis - but have not been able to prove that that definition fits the initial condition I actually came up with…
< 1347689638 851993 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the MtG UTM manages to encode the infinitely long initial condition somehow?
< 1347689640 455304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/-/–/
< 1347689648 350959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :drocta: what is TILDE-ATH?
< 1347689653 775703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it doesn't, it just initialises it with blue
< 1347689659 147143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I contacted the author about it to explain
< 1347689659 335290 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And wouldn't MtG's ability to encode the initial condition + ... oh, uh
< 1347689661 548330 :drocta!62ff0f37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.255.15.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ATH
< 1347689662 605666 :drocta!62ff0f37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.255.15.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is
< 1347689667 188950 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Magic machine is a straight-up turing machine
< 1347689671 952772 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a blank tape (spooler)
< 1347689677 775981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinite both ways
< 1347689698 407868 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ATH is a fictional programming language, in Homestuck (in Homestuck it's real)
< 1347689704 157659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spooler alert
< 1347689712 971878 :drocta!62ff0f37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.255.15.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that.
< 1347689726 842013 :drocta!62ff0f37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.255.15.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on loops that continue so long as an object is "alive"
< 1347689728 209870 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++ATZ
< 1347689737 159259 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1347689748 795535 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was more triggering on when something's not "alive"
< 1347689755 957977 :drocta!62ff0f37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.255.15.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does both
< 1347689759 513672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, #esoteric: #acehack told me about the Magic 2,3 machine before #esoteric did
< 1347689762 260315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must be slipping ;)
< 1347689781 765187 :drocta!62ff0f37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.255.15.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ATH(VARNAME){loop this while alive}EXECUTE(executethisondeath);
< 1347689797 151427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, there is actually a mistake in ANKOS that is Wolfram making the same mistake as the Magic machine person made
< 1347689800 962414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told him about it over the phone
< 1347689816 971702 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if this was today, then i think #esoteric in fact was a bit earlier
< 1347689818 900880 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :luckily, I'd managed to fix it in my head in a few seconds, so the theorem is correct, just not the proof
< 1347689822 476309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: it was yesterady
< 1347689825 321576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*yesterday
< 1347689832 929781 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay then i don't know
< 1347689833 99165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :around midday
< 1347689854 519714 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And somehow or other there is a valid(?) program with two colors and weird nesting 
< 1347689858 707048 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an idea of Magic: the Gathering cards of programming language, once; now, this Magic 2,3 machine can even work without requiring any choices. However, what if you want to make input/output?
< 1347689860 127557 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my best guess is 4 years ago but possibly also yesterday
< 1347689864 808789 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347689871 417350 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i was eating pizza and then i woke up
< 1347689877 786909 :drocta!62ff0f37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.255.15.55 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, common idea is that the colors were different threads.
< 1347689886 51649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <oklopol> my best guess is 4 years ago but possibly also yesterday
< 1347689890 249034 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually Magic 2,3 machine still require cards to played in a certain way to start, and then it works without any choices.
< 1347689895 429697 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :861) <oklopol> my best guess is 4 years ago but possibly also yesterday
< 1347689901 771715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it still has choices of whether to play "may" actions or not
< 1347689916 525161 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1347689917 802426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but moving away from that probably means you can't phase the Teysas…
< 1347689920 735892 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magic 2,3 machine.
< 1347689927 175326 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you meant the 2,3 challenge :D
< 1347689942 50880 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but the same person proved it with another machine, right?
< 1347689954 891039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, but he said he was working on a 2,18
< 1347689957 927637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I'll be interested in
< 1347689959 645499 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1347689965 755716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if, something can be made using that, including both input and output?
< 1347689970 839545 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But as it stands, MtG is NOT proven TC?
< 1347689985 943976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I assume the 2,18 in question is uncontroversial: I haven't seen it, but that seems about the right number of colors for an uncontroversially TC 2-state Turing machine)
< 1347689994 68108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, the proof as it stands is flawed
< 1347690003 806372 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should post that to Reddit
< 1347690110 192380 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only when it's fixed
< 1347690120 237872 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, am i to understand that someone implemented the 2,3 machine in mtg?
< 1347690123 666551 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: yes
< 1347690128 793799 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, the fact that the current proof is flawed
< 1347690133 106212 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the 2,18 version
< 1347690140 553553 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in what sense was it implemented?
< 1347690142 930895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.toothycat.net/~hologram/Turing/HowItWorks.html
< 1347690158 481320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: in the sense that if four players have specially constructed decks and are cooperating with each other
< 1347690162 559535 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :404
< 1347690167 473241 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: As specified the assumption is the players always take choices offered to them.
< 1347690175 584207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they can set up a gamestate with an infinite series of triggered actions
< 1347690185 707799 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they always take optional choices, it emulates the 2,3 machines
< 1347690186 765331 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay now it works dunno what happened
< 1347690191 303404 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1347690201 188429 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an edge case.
< 1347690207 951040 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assumping the machine counts.
< 1347690228 89290 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347690242 660267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly we just need to partition Mark Rosewater to make a card that makes all optional abilities compulsory ;)
< 1347690266 53673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Actually I had a similar idea of exactly the same effect, even without reading about the Magic 2,3 machine.
< 1347690273 22683 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Surely this'd be *easy*.
< 1347690279 209681 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, he is a mathematician.
< 1347690302 887694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: somehow I'm not surprised :)
< 1347690364 937596 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many cards does it need?
< 1347690382 844009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all /that/ many
< 1347690399 523020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it needs six copies of the same legendary in play at once, which is slightly nontrivial but not impossible to arrange
< 1347690421 580278 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can steal them from other players or copy them, and use a separate card to make having multiple identically-named legendaries in play at once legal)
< 1347690422 597541 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that why the card was made legendary?
< 1347690426 657678 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you make the assumption all players are trying to set it up, it's not that much work.
< 1347690428 355078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I doubt it
< 1347690431 658019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: indeed
< 1347690446 671675 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we once made this board game which was awesome, you put pieces on the board and a chain reaction was triggered, so you could get multiple points on one turn.
< 1347690461 561205 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and our record was like 20 or something
< 1347690477 472163 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i implemented it on the computer and it inflooped after 5 turns and got infinity points.
< 1347690503 837721 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a Limited game, if you manage to draft (or open, or collect, etc) six same card then you are not limited by the rule 4 of same card; you can use 6. Otherwise you have to use only however many you have
< 1347690529 411424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it can't be done in limited because it uses cards from more than one block
< 1347690548 927539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have once played in a Limited game that involved two blocks.
< 1347690564 121024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: What if you make up the rule, that you are disqualified if the game doesn't end?
< 1347690633 149413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Usually a Limited game is only one block, but occasionally it is two blocks, or possibly even three or more. Constructed games are usually always two blocks, but may be unlimited to the number of blocks, or some other rule.)
< 1347690639 152989 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nondeterministic. but i guess you could require that there are no infinite plays or you lose.
< 1347690646 607979 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what fun to check.... :D
< 1347690660 309068 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disqualified if you cannot prove that your move ends
< 1347690695 584562 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1347690719 303446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2*pi / 0.01720209895
< 1347690720 193347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  365.2568983263281
< 1347690734 903011 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the game TC? If so, the no infinite plays thing might be difficult </understatement>
< 1347690749 656620 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder when wolfram's 1000 page book called "krhm actually it's MY 2,3 machine not alex's" comes out
< 1347690761 961495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What are you calculating?
< 1347690776 342832 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "A " ++ fix ("new kind of " ++)
< 1347690778 312746 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "A new kind of new kind of new kind of new kind of new kind of new kind of ...
< 1347690793 302198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://www.nature.com/news/the-astronomical-unit-gets-fixed-1.11416 had this number
< 1347690794 386648 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my supervisor told me he was once invited to be invited speaker in one of wolfram's seminars
< 1347690814 458468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the astronomical unit broken?
< 1347690829 306878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's something like the average number of radians earth traces out per day
< 1347690839 274046 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: can't be tc due to memory being limited to the number of pieces on board.
< 1347690848 722686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well it was complicated to calculate
< 1347690858 137230 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love SMBC!
< 1347690865 56995 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a paper that contrived a TC game with finite pieces
< 1347690870 817077 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought astronomical units is the distance from here to the sun.
< 1347690929 421685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, but earth's orbit is elliptical so you need to choose one of the distances
< 1347690937 455877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think JPL ephemerides are not in astronomical units anyways so at least those ones are unaffected but are some ephemerides in astronomical units?
< 1347690962 341037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I thought you have to choose the average? (Do you have to know what kind of average?)
< 1347691060 471940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well it's like with the meter, it was originally defined as 1/10000000'th of the meridian from the pole to equator through paris - but that's awkward to measure all the time so they redefined it, although in that case they even calculated it wrong the first time
< 1347691109 48613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O yes I heard of that; they did it wrong the first time even by their definition. Better definitions anyways would be by something such as speed of light, I think it is now
< 1347691117 54279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1347691232 480654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh there were other problems fixed by the recent fixing of au to meters
< 1347691262 351204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old definition didn't mesh with relativity and depended on the changing mass of the sun
< 1347691262 558926 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the global economy
< 1347691296 866337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ephemerides need a unit of distance and of time. I think they use kilometres per day, although you could use lightseconds per second, or metres per second, or whatever (I happen to like using the speed of light as the ephemeris units, although this may cause problems in floating point precision I don't know for sure)
< 1347691309 589810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the meter now is defined in terms of the oscillation period of a cesium atom
< 1347691315 418189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, so they fix that too now, is good
< 1347691368 253181 :drocta!62ff0f37@gateway/web/freenode/ip.98.255.15.55 QUIT :Quit: Page closed
< 1347691398 528871 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say it's also defined in terms of the speed of light, but the speed of light is an arbitrary unit conversion and not a fundamental physical constant
< 1347691418 355235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm not sure that it's the atom itself which oscillates, just one of its kinds of emitted radiation
< 1347691421 926428 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a much better definition would be "the distance from the mass center of earth to the mass center of the sun, in the reference frame of the mass center of the definition user's right eye"
< 1347691467 571036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: sounds usable.
< 1347691487 749516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you're right
< 1347691579 30788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you say it is defined in terms of the speed of light if you then define seconds in terms of the cesium atom? Therefore something must relate the distance and time, so you can have the units.
< 1347691603 765763 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1347691613 944596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :heegan
< 1347691641 872591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like humanistic units; you must define them in terms of physics instead, is much better.
< 1347691659 273456 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :applying myself as a function to the topic... i almost forgot what i was about to say
< 1347691661 796061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way you always know what they are even if you removed your right eye or whatever
< 1347691664 790179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a humanistic unit?
< 1347691673 362291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, i'm just saying that "speed of light" is like "number of inches in a meter"
< 1347691737 970834 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if sci fi has been written wherein many aspects of the universe are constant, like a chessboard or a video game
< 1347691738 689215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No I don't think so! The speed of light is an actual speed, not a unitless number. Isn't it?
< 1347691781 881132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in traditional unit systems it is so, but in studying relativity it is convenient to use a unitless 1 as the speed of light
< 1347691787 394470 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can do that
< 1347691799 833022 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, yes; I agree with that. That isn't what I meant, though.
< 1347691801 873214 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: sorry, i meant to say "rightmost eye"
< 1347691808 41043 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can speed be unitless?
< 1347691812 568445 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :this fixes the issue you mentioned.
< 1347691813 424281 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in a video game, the size of a planet tends to remain constant indefinitely.. for as long as there are people to play the game
< 1347691819 258541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: because distance and time are actually the same kind of thing
< 1347691828 93901 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant that the speed of the light is the same speed no matter what number you use to represent it.
< 1347691854 895681 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i imagine this is true of things like dwarf fortress, minecraft, terraria, chess, secondlife, etc
< 1347691856 764831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's as if all along we had one unit for north-south distance, and a different unit for east-west distance, and then one day someone figured out that you can relate these
< 1347691901 623568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do agree it is useful to use a unitless 1 since space and time just different dimensions (although the sign is opposite)
< 1347691906 16955 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, Second Life's size isn't constant
< 1347691914 742401 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Space keeps getting added to it
< 1347691928 912883 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They need room for all the penises
< 1347691930 967184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess "amount of possible space" might be constant
< 1347691932 690977 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i suppose that my statement doesn't stand.
< 1347691949 310349 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. i didnt quite get at the essence of the question
< 1347691959 890544 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is unsure if they use ints or uints or something to specify regions
< 1347691979 472466 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they do, then yeah, Second Life has a finite size, but it's MUCH larger than currently accessible size
< 1347691994 847877 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can create and lose blocks in minecraft and minesweeper
< 1347692028 731918 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok i know what i mean
< 1347692038 290368 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should always know what you mean
< 1347692041 184500 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in minecraft, a block is a perfect unit
< 1347692042 372013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then invent "mine card" game.
< 1347692065 654640 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There exist half-blocks.
< 1347692081 231124 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I don't know if those conceptually count as blocks to the engine
< 1347692085 789786 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but that's blasphemy
< 1347692088 585244 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm and i suppose tat the actual objects are not always aligned to the blocks exactly
< 1347692099 710482 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you can stand on several blocks at once
< 1347692100 977301 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use half-blocks usually people destroy your house
< 1347692131 413439 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they conceptually count as blocks to the engine, you can't place stuff on them for instance
< 1347692143 476544 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least you can't place a half-block and put a full block on top.
< 1347692276 55976 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it seems that notch hasn't quite grasped that you can reuse parts of your code so almost all items have some bugs and features unique to them.
< 1347692281 488790 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, as we see in games like rogue, the block as a ruler becomes a problem on non axis aligned lines
< 1347692284 962295 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's hard to state anything definitive.
< 1347692340 734591 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok lets ignore my last statement
< 1347692374 615151 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would using the speed of light as ephemeris units (you still need distance and time units; I mean the speed of light is 1 in these units) make calculation of apparent positions simpler in some ways?
< 1347692389 926746 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, it's only problematic in visual terms
< 1347692401 528079 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the world of the game itself, there is no problem
< 1347692407 666723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know that foreign import wrapper allocates a new executable+writable page and copies some machine code into it at runtime?
< 1347692425 638348 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's special cased that you can put two half-blocks of the same kind on top of each other
< 1347692426 693982 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i guess in minecraft you can use blocks as rulers in any direction... but in a game like chess, not so easy
< 1347692433 892341 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't mix two of different kinds though
< 1347692467 584915 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I think once I have made a game that has a similar rule
< 1347692494 476398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where if you push two half blocks of the same kind together you get a full block of that kind; if they are different then they block each other
< 1347692576 655640 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't get a full block in minecraft, you get something that looks like a full block but is much harder to break
< 1347692663 481106 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think i did know that, yes
< 1347692666 343460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work on iPhone
< 1347692677 747535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they careful to remap the page read-only after they're done writing to it?
< 1347692689 855398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as far as I see.
< 1347692692 832830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great
< 1347692765 426688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make self-modifying codes to improve the speed and possible save memory?
< 1347693011 913771 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but i don't want them to fall into the wrong hands
< 1347693040 501926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't want what to fall into the wrong hands?
< 1347693080 489388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you think there are any serious security implications?
< 1347693102 19072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's presumably called from C, but the page is randomized and the code in it is GHC-generated.
< 1347693178 301827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you have a memory corruption bug somewhere else, the existence of a writeable executable page can help you exploit that bug
< 1347693206 688049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know LLVM has no commands for self-modifying codes and it is something I wanted it to have, for example one thing you could have is if some RAM variable is actually the operand to another instructions, and another possibility is something like INTERCAL's ABSTAIN and REINSTATE commands
< 1347693208 460286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :True.
< 1347693237 777062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might have some control over what GHC writes there, or you might be able to write there yourself
< 1347693280 978277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if you can write to anywhere you like in the address space, you can doubtless do many other things
< 1347693312 374872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC code has many indirect jumps
< 1347693345 366983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be possible to do something like ROP where you build fake thunks or something
< 1347693366 681487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That could make for a fun CTF thing!
< 1347693376 348873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1347693384 712040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a CTF that only 3 people would complete or care about ;)
< 1347693423 881554 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if instead of the GHC RTS you were working with a toy lazy language
< 1347693428 541994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i could see it as one of the later levels in io
< 1347693438 438829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. Half the fun of a CTF is learning about new things that work differently from the things you know.
< 1347693442 226015 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1347693447 529599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1347693451 38222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does CTF mean?
< 1347693451 212536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you know about Supervisor Mode Execution Protection?
< 1347693463 550211 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i dont want self modifying codes which improve speed and save memory to fall into the wrong hands
< 1347693493 139228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: OK.
< 1347693496 143543 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.61.46 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crashing...
< 1347693498 375778 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha
< 1347693501 909754 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but...
< 1347693513 319685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think I've heard of it.
< 1347693513 829570 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess its safe enough here
< 1347693516 572493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :new in Ivy Bridge chips, when enabled an attempt to execute in kernel mode a page accessible by user code will fault
< 1347693524 317076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "user/kernel bit" such that the kernel can't execute code in user pages?
< 1347693539 606908 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont have any such codes.. but i think i could at least think about what it means
< 1347693539 945725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes some sense.
< 1347693548 760403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it is just a single control register bit
< 1347693572 3221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which interprets the existing "user" bit on pages this way
< 1347693577 827070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in addition to its old meaning
< 1347693582 326245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the old meaning?
< 1347693597 338748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the old meaning is that pages without the user bit set can't be accessed by user-mode code
< 1347693604 204472 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ok to hell with it
< 1347693627 254271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah.
< 1347693628 643095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the pages *with* the user bit set can't be executed by kernel mode code
< 1347693637 656464 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: when i applied my brain to the question, the answer seems to be to have conditionals with feedback..
< 1347693658 944109 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the condition which is selected the most often is optimized
< 1347693664 279954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the effort and CPU time "wasted" on security is kind of annoying.
< 1347693667 449311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course, if the kernel really wanted to execute such a page, it could disable the feature or unset the user bit, but the idea is to prevent an attacker from tricking the kernel into executing such a page)
< 1347693682 812162 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure how that might go exactly
< 1347693697 763447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Yes you could do that too; some CPU instruction set might include commands for branch prediction, is one way, but that is other things too.
< 1347693717 323531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now you can't just put kernel mode shellcode in your exploit program and get the kernel to call it
< 1347693719 454419 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess thats called branch prediction 
< 1347693725 645965 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
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< 1347693758 419844 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means some of the techniques from userspace NX exploitation will be useful
< 1347693772 346779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ROP, JIT spraying, etc.
< 1347693818 620810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it may be wasted effort but I prefer to live in a world where people dream up things like ROP and JIT spraying, it's just more interesting
< 1347693862 993103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like esoteric programming except that it's useful, e.g. for getting rich or sabotaging the iranian nuclear program
< 1347693863 919625 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But my idea was rather to make like INTERCAL's ABSTAIN but to directly modify the machine code instructions
< 1347693932 867292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact the idea behind ROP is basically that every compiled executable gives rise to an esolang, whose primitive instructions are every sequence of code bytes ending in an (intended or unintended) return instruction
< 1347693940 347122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else I like other than self-modifying codes, is also self-modifying microcodes!
< 1347693952 153783 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: to improve i think that .. ok ok .. uhm uhm..
< 1347693971 502187 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it could plan for changing environment... 
< 1347693981 790627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's really one big class of very-similar esolangs.
< 1347694006 69089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think for sufficiently-large executables they tend to be TC, too.
< 1347694020 863425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1347694028 420359 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how exactly
< 1347694042 176727 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the bigger issue is not computational completeness but completeness in terms of the system calls you need for successful exploitation
< 1347694056 655051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes.
< 1347694063 700286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't need very much there, either
< 1347694119 888563 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well i think self modification implies somehow that something in the program's context is changing... either the platform, or the input
< 1347694136 549938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't itidus21 great?
< 1347694136 904131 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the wasted effort is on bad security
< 1347694147 248923 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a problem with wasting effort on good security
< 1347694164 31349 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :laughs aloud
< 1347694174 317457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they used something similar to dump the Nintendo DS BIOS, by finding some data used as code which pushes some things to the stack and can be made to copy the BIOS codes; normally if the instruction pointer is not in the BIOS area it will never read the BIOS so they changed it
< 1347694184 928439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Do you consider the things discussed here good or bad security?
< 1347694224 82092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: What do you mean, such as, an example?
< 1347694224 798105 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but I don't have a problem with them!
< 1347694293 642755 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think that on an unchanging platform, with unchanging input, all optimization can be done at compile time
< 1347694327 934130 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes in that case probably you can just make the answer directly
< 1347694362 656609 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if there is input.. there can be different versions of the program adapted to different inputs
< 1347694431 776621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and you may not know at compile time; is a reason to do self-modifications. I have thought of such things for making some emulator which you can specify the hardware in input file, can modify itself to skip whatever is not used
< 1347694444 599105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta sleep, ttyl all
< 1347694470 63621 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, as an example, if you know how long a file is you don't really need to check for end of file
< 1347694516 167645 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you know how long a string is, you can read all symbols as data
< 1347694544 741185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes; but would it be more efficient maybe not necessarily, depending what you are doing. Also possible, if you know the multiple of length, unroll the loops
< 1347694807 487068 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trouble to me with self modifying code is the question of when this self modification happens
< 1347694829 524039 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense to keep it modifying nonstop
< 1347694865 718604 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then maybe its not really self modifying
< 1347695195 384740 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once thought of a storyline or video game idea where the source code is self modifiable, and so, whoever has access to the source has power
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< 1347702953 577983 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a good way to combine shell and python in one source file?
< 1347702980 97321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :python <<EOF
< 1347702993 264613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or by "good" do you mean "esoteric"?
< 1347703022 801970 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking for a good way actually, but wouldn't object if it ended up esoteric either
< 1347703427 806095 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the python code can't access stdin if you do it like that... python /dev/fd/3 3<<EOF seems to work
< 1347703568 30497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively you can embed the sh in the py.
< 1347703603 556834 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, most of it is python, so that might be better
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< 1347706256 287792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the flying flipping fuck, I am going to hurt the author of clojure.algo.monads
< 1347706298 457795 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :His macro that provides an equivalent to "do"? It puts the last item in an implicit return
< 1347706488 243529 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :user=> (domonad sequence-m [] '(1 2 3))
< 1347706488 261959 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :((1 2 3))
< 1347706495 536465 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, but that is absolutely fucked up
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< 1347707120 16674 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what does that even mean?
< 1347707410 604575 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means that domonad does not in fact emulate do
< 1347707426 856060 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a version of do that is only useful in subsets of all situations that do is useful in.
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< 1347708282 973834 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What would domonad even be good for
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< 1347709703 766168 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
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< 1347710869 33805 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :domonad is still usable in those situations, it's just uglier
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< 1347710977 745035 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I was ranting about a Clojure library earlier
< 1347710979 963964 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You missed it
< 1347710992 449760 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1347711349 336049 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm beginning to think Clojure developers like the idea of various functional idioms, but don't actually understand them.
< 1347711721 475428 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shurely some mistake?
< 1347713012 636080 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, anyone have any laptop recommendations?
< 1347713059 101675 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. Tops are usually not worn on laps.
< 1347713077 477860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Har har har.
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< 1347724723 67506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:10:10: <Sgeo> It means that domonad does not in fact emulate do
< 1347724723 237721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :11:10:26: <Sgeo> But a version of do that is only useful in subsets of all situations that do is useful in.
< 1347724750 133306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can easily convert do ...; whatever  into do ...; x <- whatever; return x
< 1347724808 960867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact an implicit return is essentially what you get for monad comprehensions
< 1347725280 293984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, shachaf: you can also pass a whole python program to python -c
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< 1347725943 91777 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347725944 517643 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Ook!&diff=33796&oldid=32048
< 1347726128 63052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO IT BEGINS
< 1347726139 447689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY AM I OUT OF POPCORN
< 1347726155 79531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably because i never buy it)
< 1347726302 399683 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhh what did he just do.
< 1347726342 411580 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what has begun?
< 1347726398 244610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it looks like an isolated outbreak.
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< 1347727448 470098 :Gregor`!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor
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< 1347729189 177700 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1347730402 360084 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome carado
< 1347730413 262052 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :carado: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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< 1347735920 808819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thoughts from the sauna: I've been thinking (and it's been categorized like that) that the Finnish 'd' (which occurs natively only in consonant gradation) is just the voiced version of 't', i.e. voiced dental plosive, but now that I thought of it, the place of articulation is more like alveolar, and according to some Wikipediaing that's actually a real thing.
< 1347735925 792611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"/d/ is the equivalent of /t/ under weakening consonant gradation, and thus occurs only medially, in the infinitives of the verbs nähdä (to see) and tehdä (to do), or in non-native words; it is actually more of an alveolar tap rather than a true voiced plosive, and the dialectal realization varies widely; see main article."
< 1347735942 94170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Main article is a bit long to quote unless you happen to be surprisingly interested in Finnish phonology.)
< 1347736014 129682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I can't really distinguish too well between t̪/t or d̪/d when I manage to make the non-"natural" ones.
< 1347736094 19472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnology
< 1347736255 219654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which, why is the "Received Pronunciation" called that? Who/what is it received from? God? Aliens? Xenu?
< 1347736258 186665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Nth in our popular series of "questions better suited for Wikipedia".)
< 1347736342 600124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn received
< 1347736342 979654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "received" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1347736343 113060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :received
< 1347736343 281708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    adj 1: conforming to the established language usage of educated
< 1347736344 339571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           native speakers; "standard English" (American); "received
< 1347736346 290611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           standard English is sometimes called the King's English"
< 1347736348 330643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[5 @more lines]
< 1347736358 576214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more
< 1347736358 745492 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           (British) [syn: {standard}, {received}] [ant:
< 1347736358 916437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :           {nonstandard}]
< 1347736358 935205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    2: widely accepted as true or worthy; "a received moral idea";
< 1347736358 935354 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :       "Received political wisdom says not; surveys show otherwise"-
< 1347736358 935463 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :       Economist
< 1347736523 124389 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That pretty much just makes me wonder why "received (adj)" means that.
< 1347736682 469101 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's official. No one in the Clojure world actually has a clue about Maybe.
< 1347736693 653084 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just re-read the definition that I thought I liked
< 1347736706 679454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently just from the "6. (8) receive -- (accept as true or valid; "He received Christ")" kind of sense of receive (verb).
< 1347736726 740293 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's as if Nothing were defined as "Just Nothingval"
< 1347736854 879692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1347736902 702994 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it doesn't help that this person doesn't know Haskell. But I should educate him
< 1347736926 514004 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to work out whether this thing is even a monad
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< 1347737061 997299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why are you complaining about Clojure in #haskell?
< 1347737067 980597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because no one responded to your bait in here?
< 1347737084 341166 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-31.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is clojure the java-lisp thing
< 1347737084 508636 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1347737088 463285 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-31.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1347737088 635159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen said 20h 17m 23s ago: so your church incrementation excerpt translates to λxyzt.x z (y z t), right?
< 1347737091 531048 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, yes.
< 1347737129 547040 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-31.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen That looks like Church addition... hmm
< 1347737129 716547 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347737156 476643 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-31.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen Oh, that's because it is
< 1347737156 648496 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347737371 946990 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-31.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I submit Fueue to the 2006 essies?
< 1347737378 708077 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1347737412 117347 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-31.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under the category Turing-Equivalent language
< 1347737432 557012 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-31.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, wait
< 1347737437 126070 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-31.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the 2004 contest
< 1347737528 171606 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-31.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I submit it to that?
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< 1347739380 212779 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION files a bug report http://dev.clojure.org/jira/browse/ALGOM-7
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< 1347740185 777715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are the Monad Police.
< 1347740318 195387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does clojure even have a type system
< 1347740355 665242 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's strongly but dynamically typed
< 1347740563 264177 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh fuck
< 1347740575 961063 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My demonstration doesn't actually count as a demonstration of breaking the monad laws
< 1347740639 784472 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll note that no actual type theorists ever talk about "strong" typing
< 1347740661 303786 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly mainstream programmers trying to make up bullshit distinctions
< 1347740669 148341 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :between strong and static typing
< 1347740741 101689 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strong typing is just too mainstream
< 1347740917 771843 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION invents the keyboard where you need to apply 50 lbs-force to press a key
< 1347740920 737684 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tada, strong typing.
< 1347740958 72635 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much force does it actually take to press a key?
< 1347740963 740787 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-31.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION invents the keyboard that has motorized wheels which move whenever you press a key
< 1347740969 54515 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-31.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tada, dynamic typing
< 1347740995 122489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonono, the keybindings rearrange themselves whenever you press a key.
< 1347741026 687002 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If everyone had that OLED keyboard, that might be useful for some games
< 1347741038 926689 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put everyone on a level playing field when it comes to typing speed
< 1347741041 769729 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duck typing is when the keyboard's at the bottom of a pond and you have to dive every time you press a key.
< 1347741050 434999 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Phantom_Hoover> How much force does it actually take to press a key?
< 1347741052 210126 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the keyboard
< 1347741055 74180 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scissor switches take a lot
< 1347741125 65402 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Apparently they're normally cited in grams-force.
< 1347741130 924597 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupidest unit ever.
< 1347741173 716667 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :our keyboard standardisation will break down as soon as we colonise mars!
< 1347741209 131515 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-31.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't a gram-force a ten-thousandth of a newton?
< 1347741238 393238 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd've thought it'd be a hundredth of a Newton.
< 1347741250 80417 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-31.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not great at these unitmobobs
< 1347741259 961469 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: No, a gram-force is the force of gravity on an object weighing one gram.
< 1347741282 797890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, does that account for regional gravitational differences?
< 1347741310 351598 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, it's based on a hypothetical ideal earth gravity...
< 1347741333 789311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. 10ms^-2?
< 1347741363 462596 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems 1 gram-force is 9.807 mN.
< 1347741408 32700 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 1 kg-force is 9.807 N.
< 1347741426 801001 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Earth is insufficiently metric.
< 1347741429 218969 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :western-centric!!!
< 1347741785 350842 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remind me, is surface gravity higher at the poles or equator
< 1347741856 747243 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the poles, id say
< 1347741894 421976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is.
< 1347741894 761244 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they are closer to the center of the earth than the equator
< 1347741929 205290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but like shell theorem and shit
< 1347741967 387067 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monad police arrest this man / he talks in maths / he buzzes like a fridge
< 1347741987 332101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did anyone here ever play Typing of the Dead?
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< 1347743508 898679 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-31.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight
< 1347743509 614673 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-153-31.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1347743798 903430 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347743826 211066 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347745335 62287 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they pump hair gel into the water supply in San Francisco?
< 1347745341 287989 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All evidence suggests that they do.
< 1347745441 925155 :Guest46903!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347746108 203114 :nooga_!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347746148 877409 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am actually scared of failing Intro to Drawing
< 1347746150 237316 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347746170 91950 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hand-eye coordination can best be described as "non-existent"
< 1347746173 417534 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each class is painful
< 1347746215 988452 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shmertz!
< 1347746216 158049 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them.
< 1347746220 927187 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1347746221 136824 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq said 2h 31m 31s ago: That looks like Church addition... hmm
< 1347746221 159902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq said 2h 31m 4s ago: Oh, that's because it is
< 1347746236 144073 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you atriq
< 1347746242 903118 :nooga!~nooga@86-63-101-113.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds
< 1347746246 471149 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just watched iron sky
< 1347746273 262377 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was very fun, yet not as good as it was supposed to be
< 1347746350 54462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the fact that (partial +) doesn't work is annoying
< 1347746534 456478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.seafloorexplorer.org/ is kind of fun
< 1347746818 392215 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, apparently the behavior in partial is changing in 1.5 :)
< 1347746869 121504 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.61.46 PART :#esoteric
< 1347746924 9819 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347747062 346190 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347747104 341441 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds
< 1347747334 6055 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, a machine consisting of two "registers" (actually variables A and B holding an unbounded non-negative integer), and a finite list of instructions taken from the set {"A++", "B++", "A--", "B--", "A<-0", "B<-0", "A<-B", "B<-A", "if A=0 goto x", "if B=0 goto x", "if A=B goto x", "halt"}
< 1347747342 328085 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of all those machines have been proven to be turing-complete?
< 1347747586 902998 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347747614 266028 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347747795 766130 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIPE depleted.
< 1347748045 495126 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347748292 537675 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In #clojure
< 1347748293 556208 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<casion> thanks to sgeo, I've learned more about haskell in here than in #haskell ;)
< 1347748302 352349 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<casion> half-joking :)
< 1347748435 298954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in #haskell you talk about clojure stuff and in #clojure you talk about haskell stuff
< 1347748443 537530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1347748552 279577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: we should adjust the mass of the earth until it's exactly 10
< 1347748591 670155 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems reasonable, and I see nothing wrong with the idea.
< 1347748696 694243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly the moon is only about 62% of the mass we'll need
< 1347748904 778082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, i think it's more complicated than that
< 1347748930 698826 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What about Venus?
< 1347748947 411909 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Mercury.
< 1347748957 931317 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mercury works better.
< 1347748964 43938 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of a great paper on arXiv (which i can't find :/) which was an engineering feasibility study of some alternatives for surviving the explosion of the sun in a few billion years
< 1347748974 987397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well not exactly "explosion" but you know what i mean)
< 1347748985 607645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, how Earth could survive such an event
< 1347749020 565659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347749034 157550 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink (10/9.81)*5.972e24
< 1347749048 636653 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.0876656472986748214e+24
< 1347749056 812839 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait
< 1347749059 95165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :flink frink
< 1347749073 248512 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink (0.19/9.81)*5.972e24
< 1347749081 729543 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume installing the JVM on HackEgo would be a royal pain?
< 1347749083 403554 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.1566564729867482161e+23
< 1347749136 773890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. 116000Yg
< 1347749169 371205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait no, 116
< 1347749184 307829 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... mars
< 1347749210 603686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mercury would fall far short, venus would be overkill
< 1347749252 291495 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/frink
< 1347749255 131953 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ exec /hackenv/lib/frink -e "$@" \
< 1347749262 886843 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /hackenv/lib/frink
< 1347749264 304877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn housemates are both having long phone conversations after midnight.
< 1347749265 817161 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ELF...
< 1347749280 501854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1347749290 819209 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, for some reason, I thought Frink was a Java thing
< 1347749348 70262 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste cat /hackenv/lib/frink
< 1347749351 223919 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1521 \ cat: cat /hackenv/lib/frink: No such file or directory
< 1347749367 912935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> Speaking of which, why is the "Received Pronunciation" called that? Who/what is it received from? God? Aliens? Xenu?
< 1347749374 95895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Queen, obviously.
< 1347749376 351305 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste /hackenv/lib/frink
< 1347749379 408819 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.25872
< 1347749592 516861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The word received conveys its original meaning of accepted or approved – as in "received wisdom"."
< 1347749624 300430 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347749843 696609 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1347749853 540486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the joy of datasheets http://i.imgur.com/SaeT1.png
< 1347749854 731692 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347749980 686637 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does frink operate?
< 1347749984 147756 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run java
< 1347749990 440852 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: java [-options] class [args...] \.    (to execute a class) \    or  java [-options] -jar jarfile [args...] \.      (to execute a jar file) \ where options include: \     -d32.  use a 32-bit data model if available \     -d64.  use a 64-bit data model if available \     -server.  to select the "server" VM \...The default VM is server. \  \.   -cp <class search path of
< 1347749995 605568 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh huh
< 1347750037 578155 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/org/clojure/clojure/1.4.0/clojure-1.4.0.zip
< 1347750040 508872 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-09-15 23:00:40 URL:http://repo1.maven.org/maven2/org/clojure/clojure/1.4.0/clojure-1.4.0.zip [4553941/4553941] -> "clojure-1.4.0.zip" [1] 
< 1347750050 181814 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unzip clojure-1.4.0.zip
< 1347750053 627873 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unzip: not found
< 1347750057 645196 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gunzip clojure-1.4.0.zip
< 1347750061 593968 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gzip: clojure-1.4.0.zip: unknown suffix -- ignored
< 1347750088 898141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zip != gzip
< 1347750116 527187 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I need to unzip
< 1347750122 435809 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no unzip
< 1347750305 132867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have a different program that unzips, such as 7-Zip or whatever else?
< 1347750325 41586 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`7zip
< 1347750328 509848 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 7zip: not found
< 1347750338 39713 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`7z
< 1347750341 553985 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: 7z: not found
< 1347750393 248103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $PATH
< 1347750396 389148 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin
< 1347750410 592854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /usr/bin/*zip*
< 1347750413 976831 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/gpg-zip
< 1347750421 432532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /bin/*zip*
< 1347750425 706643 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/bunzip2 \ /bin/bzip2 \ /bin/bzip2recover \ /bin/gunzip \ /bin/gzip
< 1347750440 974360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bunzip clojure-1.4.0.zip
< 1347750444 317740 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bunzip: not found
< 1347750448 4877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bunzip2 clojure-1.4.0.zip
< 1347750451 110349 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bunzip2: Can't guess original name for clojure-1.4.0.zip -- using clojure-1.4.0.zip.out \ bunzip2: clojure-1.4.0.zip is not a bzip2 file.
< 1347750462 212696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*
< 1347750526 915935 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does tar have something?
< 1347750541 208641 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it tends to have decompression stuff, but can that be used on its own?
< 1347750566 773947 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you use jar to unzip stuff, or does that not work?
< 1347750582 113406 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good question
< 1347750585 688759 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`jar
< 1347750592 261857 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: jar {ctxui}[vfm0Me] [jar-file] [manifest-file] [entry-point] [-C dir] files ... \ Options: \     -c  create new archive \     -t  list table of contents for archive \     -x  extract named (or all) files from archive \     -u  update existing archive \     -v  generate verbose output on standard output \     -f  specify archive file name \     -m  include manifest information from specified manifest file
< 1347750621 237043 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`jar -x clojure-1.4.0.zip
< 1347750625 399572 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illegal option:   \ Usage: jar {ctxui}[vfm0Me] [jar-file] [manifest-file] [entry-point] [-C dir] files ... \ Options: \     -c  create new archive \     -t  list table of contents for archive \     -x  extract named (or all) files from archive \     -u  update existing archive \     -v  generate verbose output on standard output \     -f  specify archive file name \     -m  include manifest information from specified
< 1347750640 335016 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`jar x clojure-1.4.0.zip
< 1347750644 910024 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illegal option:   \ Usage: jar {ctxui}[vfm0Me] [jar-file] [manifest-file] [entry-point] [-C dir] files ... \ Options: \     -c  create new archive \     -t  list table of contents for archive \     -x  extract named (or all) files from archive \     -u  update existing archive \     -v  generate verbose output on standard output \     -f  specify archive file name \     -m  include manifest information from specified
< 1347750651 957787 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google can jar open zip files
< 1347750652 467975 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ostermiller.org/opening_jar_files.html
< 1347750652 637517 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Opening .jar Files
< 1347750660 381562 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry >:)
< 1347750678 514909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: `run
< 1347750688 53952 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run jar -x clojure-1.4.0.zip
< 1347750697 394416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`man jar
< 1347750699 854636 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh
< 1347750701 84256 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :man: can't open the manpath configuration file /etc/manpath.config
< 1347750704 794328 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :rename the zip file to .jar
< 1347750706 188363 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :manpath
< 1347750706 357270 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....?
< 1347750711 496993 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or copy it
< 1347750712 894977 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1347750716 746785 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ clojure-1.4.0.zip \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs
< 1347750720 844840 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1347750723 977809 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1347750727 248803 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ clojure-1.4.0.zip \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs
< 1347750749 669941 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :" In fact, any program that can open zip files can open jar files. The jar format is identical to the zip file format."
< 1347750773 60912 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mv clojure-1.4.0.zip clojure-1.4.0.jar
< 1347750776 154120 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: missing destination file operand after `clojure-1.4.0.zip clojure-1.4.0.jar' \ Try `mv --help' for more information.
< 1347750786 711939 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv clojure-1.4.0.zip clojure-1.4.0.jar
< 1347750789 969127 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1347750791 496447 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run jar -x clojure-1.4.0.jar
< 1347750819 516400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1347750822 976290 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ clojure-1.4.0.jar \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs
< 1347750831 719388 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't No output yet.
< 1347750841 738109 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1347750846 20213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither did the first one
< 1347750854 350472 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1347750854 521114 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well it was worth a shot
< 1347750857 458159 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ clojure-1.4.0.jar \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs
< 1347750868 529689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it did
< 1347750908 583245 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we can just grap unzip?
< 1347750953 349045 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 7zip
< 1347750953 518508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What mapper should be use with this?   http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=9312
< 1347751011 368346 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/p7zip/p7zip/9.20.1/p7zip_9.20.1_x86_linux_bin.tar.bz2?r=http%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Fp7zip%2Ffiles%2Fp7zip%2F9.20.1%2F&ts=1347751002&use_mirror=softlayer
< 1347751019 377901 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://downloads.sourceforge.net/project/p7zip/p7zip/9.20.1/p7zip_9.20.1_x86_linux_bin.tar.bz2?r=http%3A%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Fp7zip%2Ffiles%2Fp7zip%2F9.20.1%2F&ts=1347751002&use_mirror=softlayer
< 1347751023 622278 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-09-15 23:17:03 URL:http://softlayer.dl.sourceforge.net/project/p7zip/p7zip/9.20.1/p7zip_9.20.1_x86_linux_bin.tar.bz2 [2152153/2152153] -> "p7zip_9.20.1_x86_linux_bin.tar.bz2?r=http:%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Fp7zip%2Ffiles%2Fp7zip%2F9.20.1%2F&ts=1347751002&use_mirror=softlayer" [1] 
< 1347751028 159760 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously
< 1347751051 963924 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame sourceforge
< 1347751079 314713 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv "p7zip_9.20.1_x86_linux_bin.tar.bz2?r=http:%2F%2Fsourceforge.net%2Fprojects%2Fp7zip%2Ffiles%2Fp7zip%2F9.20.1%2F&ts=1347751002&use_mirror=softlayer" p7zip.tar.bz2
< 1347751082 622444 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1347751129 646899 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tar -xjf p7zip.tar.bz2
< 1347751134 238453 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1347751141 819069 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls p7zip
< 1347751145 506008 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access p7zip: No such file or directory
< 1347751148 812296 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls
< 1347751152 816959 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ clojure-1.4.0.jar \ foo \ karma \ lib \ p7zip.tar.bz2 \ p7zip_9.20.1 \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs
< 1347751190 454186 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this
< 1347751190 658282 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run p7zip_9.20.1/bin/7z
< 1347751193 838890 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: p7zip_9.20.1/bin/7z: cannot execute binary file
< 1347751206 482792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A failing attempt to extract a .zip file
< 1347751250 742019 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run file p7zip_9.20.1/bin/7z
< 1347751254 211670 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :p7zip_9.20.1/bin/7z: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.0.30, stripped
< 1347751548 390643 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :halp
< 1347751612 127525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:15:34: <Arc_Koen> so, a machine consisting of two "registers" (actually variables A and B holding an unbounded non-negative integer), and a finite list of instructions taken from the set {"A++", "B++", "A--", "B--", "A<-0", "B<-0", "A<-B", "B<-A", "if A=0 goto x", "if B=0 goto x", "if A=B goto x", "halt"}
< 1347751617 340337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:15:42: <Arc_Koen> the set of all those machines have been proven to be turing-complete?
< 1347751634 432440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like an equivalent formulation of a 2-register minsky machine, so yes
< 1347751638 496999 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup I'm writing a TC proof for Maze under that assumption
< 1347751676 390770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need "if A=B goto x", or any assignments
< 1347751690 450027 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses two cars, one for each register; all instructions are very easy to translate, except for the if .. goto which need to solve a wire-crossing problem
< 1347751697 67224 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1347751710 663604 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can just get rid of the if and not bother with the wire crossing?
< 1347751715 296259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only increment/decrement and branch
< 1347751732 545725 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was gonna set up a system with a third car holding a value to indicate which direction the car was going
< 1347751735 780090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm you definitely need the =0 ifs
< 1347751743 555485 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, ok
< 1347751756 259171 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can only get rid of the if A=B goto x then?
< 1347751767 464031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the <- ones
< 1347751788 465128 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even A<-B and B<-A ?
< 1347751793 685161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially those
< 1347751797 368008 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1347751805 633837 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :waow, it's very easy to be turing complete
< 1347751810 575603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it is.
< 1347751828 619603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to initialize A and B at the start, of course
< 1347751902 844864 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I'm assuming the car is holding 0 at the beginning
< 1347751913 872404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also try 3-cell brainfuck, which has less wirecrossing i believe :)
< 1347751915 987426 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there are a lot of things which are not really precise in Maze specifications
< 1347751944 537064 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance for the truth-machine I was gonna write the loop as a 2x2 square
< 1347751963 775227 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I thought maybe it was safer to write it as a 3x3 square with a wall in the central cell
< 1347751992 867714 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 3-cell brainfuck has while loops
< 1347752003 579431 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh
< 1347752011 23511 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, they cannot be crossed
< 1347752011 873007 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1347752036 495435 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm gonna use that then
< 1347752048 945300 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :urhh, I have to write everything again with three cars, in that case
< 1347752103 694549 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm but then I need a way to decide which car is the "current" car
< 1347752191 704387 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347752212 256530 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347752270 404424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that the 3-cell brainfuck tc-proof only uses balanced loops, so it's always known at a program position which cell is the current one
< 1347752284 971300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't _have_ to implement dynamic <>
< 1347752298 610289 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think it can be quite easy to implement
< 1347752333 818263 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that'd give an explicit proof
< 1347752341 55385 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever is the correct english word for that
< 1347752365 800581 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, a proof that not only proves it's possible, but gives an explicit way to do it)
< 1347752381 644440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :construction?
< 1347752488 492774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you could do general gotos if you had a car keep the current statement number as its value, and used a giant tree of IF THEN ELSEs
< 1347752533 279883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would then be possible to keep the maze part fixed and have all the program data in the functions
< 1347752544 85331 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my idea was to actually allow to cross wires, with the crossing being ruled by a third car, which value indicate in which wire the car is going
< 1347752553 699488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1347752563 746479 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but that may be overcomplciated)
< 1347752577 969213 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what you mean by the giant tree of if then elses though
< 1347752612 621869 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: e.g. "python -c '" followed by the whole thing and then a ' on a line of its own?
< 1347752624 522971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IF ** THEN IF ==1 THEN =5 ELSE IF ==2 THEN =1 ELSE ... ELSE IF ==1 THEN ...
< 1347752631 250404 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that'll cause difficulty with single-quoted strings in the python code
< 1347752645 872621 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, should I take my attempts to get Clojure working into an msg with HackEgo?
< 1347752650 380566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a single function which does all the branching line number calculation
< 1347752666 774868 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Clojure?
< 1347752707 772468 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, a functional Lisp on the JVM
< 1347752716 810391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other functions which guide the line number car to the right **'s to tell the other cars what the actual instruction is
< 1347752739 96525 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fwiw, I ended up replacing my shell needs with os.popen ... if anyone needs to use my program on pathes with spaces or other special characters in them, they'll simply be screwed)
< 1347752754 721319 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't use os.popen, use subprocess module
< 1347752763 370623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :putting the control flow in the maze is nicely visual, though :)
< 1347752773 790509 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I'm following
< 1347752773 961346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can pass a list of args rather than a single string to be interpreted by the shell
< 1347752777 437185 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :subprocess.OHMYGODALLTHECHARACTERSIMWASTING
< 1347752790 15898 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :os.popen is shorter :)
< 1347752796 725851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: you have a car whose value is the current program line number
< 1347752804 855799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a great justification for choosing one piece of software over another
< 1347752817 906340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in python you can just do "import subprocess; p = subprocess"
< 1347752824 108242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or of course "from subprocess import foo, bar"
< 1347752825 339039 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole python stdlib is filled with "oh, btw we did it all wrong, now use <other lib>"
< 1347752829 878983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true
< 1347752830 219970 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so it's always known at a program position which cell is the current one" you mean I really don't need to implement > and <, but only +-., applied to each of the three cells?
< 1347752835 505414 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is true of most languages as well
< 1347752838 469565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: yep
< 1347752859 643021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: well the proof doesn't actually use ., since it does just computation
< 1347752867 352096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure is still in the stage of learning what they did wrong
< 1347752878 17260 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1347752880 971875 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose python users should be happy that the python maintainers admit they did it all wrong, and should also be happy that various future versions have fixes for some of the bugs
< 1347752899 837755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i never got a good way of getting arbitrary length output out it
< 1347752900 357190 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to php where it's derples all the way :)
< 1347752913 595995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*out of it
< 1347752928 452451 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have a line-number car, and what does it do in case of a goto?
< 1347752973 852159 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh awesome
< 1347752987 59963 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, now I'm starting of implementing "come from" instead of "go to"
< 1347752996 269659 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/starting/thinking
< 1347753021 742726 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found just the jar on Maven
< 1347753050 970198 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm no that didn't make sense
< 1347753053 560913 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://search.maven.org/remotecontent?filepath=org/clojure/clojure/1.4.0/clojure-1.4.0.jar
< 1347753061 24747 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-09-15 23:51:00 URL:http://search.maven.org/remotecontent?filepath=org/clojure/clojure/1.4.0/clojure-1.4.0.jar [3421683/3421683] -> "remotecontent?filepath=org%2Fclojure%2Fclojure%2F1.4.0%2Fclojure-1.4.0.jar" [1] 
< 1347753070 676374 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION facepalms
< 1347753084 399354 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv "remotecontent?filepath=org%2Fclojure%2Fclojure%2F1.4.0%2Fclojure-1.4.0.jar" clojure-1.4.0.jar
< 1347753086 851126 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1347753141 822517 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of the funnier examples is options parsing, where it seems every major python release has come with a new incompatible library for options parsing, deprecating whatever was there before
< 1347753209 170423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Arc_Koen> so I have a line-number car, and what does it do in case of a goto? <-- it runs a function which calculates the new line number.  hm i guess you might need some cleverness since you need to test different registers in different statements
< 1347753225 203592 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run java -cp clojure-1.4.0.jar clojure.main -e "(+ 1 1)"
< 1347753237 376163 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2
< 1347753240 341805 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay!
< 1347753257 692488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that if you use gotos you only need 2 registers, as previously stated
< 1347753342 179891 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh this is easier to type
< 1347753342 921734 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run java -jar clojure-1.4.0.jar -e "(+ 1 1)"
< 1347753354 128020 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2
< 1347753417 978638 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i distinctly remember sgeo going on about clojure sucking some months back
< 1347753421 97479 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened
< 1347753442 958373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there need to be signals the line number car can go to for signaling A++, A--, B++ and B--.  and functions to decide based on line number to decide whether it hits each of them
< 1347753445 473747 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :he might still be going
< 1347753462 229658 :nooga_!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
< 1347753469 72381 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I don't remember. It's at least partially possible that some of the ranting was about the JVM, and I decided just to hold my nose
< 1347753489 136953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there are signals for the A and B cars to go to for signalling whether or not they are 0, at different times, at which the line number car does branching calculations.
< 1347753593 759618 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you remember what any of the ranting was about, specifically?
< 1347753610 16749 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I have new rants about the intellect of the community, but that's separate
< 1347753836 725257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are they
< 1347753854 941123 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't generally take notes of the exact details of what people rant about
< 1347753880 672849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU'RE SO STUPID YOU CANNOT FIND YOUR WAY OUT OF A SLEEPING BAG hth
< 1347753916 943883 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess more about one specific person. I mean, how do you manage to make a monad library and just break the monad laws for one of the provided monads?
< 1347754009 590903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably by concluding that haskellers are full of shit when they tell everyone it's very important to follow the laws and then fail to give any concrete reason for it
< 1347754143 336902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: btw was chris pressey's message on Talk:Maze what got you started on this?  It's essentially the same as what you are doing. :)
< 1347754150 764914 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is
< 1347754157 530658 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I've implemented >
< 1347754337 102575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347754365 761360 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi alex
< 1347754494 487871 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who calls ais523 alex
< 1347754518 490117 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think you can sensibly do something similar to what algo.monads does, though. Wait, hmm, not like that
< 1347754530 524962 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to think a bit
< 1347754542 833794 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: his mom, probably
< 1347754552 526939 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott 
< 1347754574 222422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless she's the only person in the world to inscrutably use his middle name
< 1347754576 290276 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q: does ais523 even have parents. do parents even exist?
< 1347754601 2633 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno
< 1347754604 480965 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never had any
< 1347754620 385027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :his grandmother _thinks_ she's using his middle name, but has forgotten that the i isn't for isaac
< 1347754637 18165 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i've known people to utter that pornographic obscenity "mother" from time to time
< 1347754665 361527 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1347754670 722772 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ais523" reminds me of "sam512"
< 1347754675 785303 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1347754757 471332 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the same person
< 1347754758 793622 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :obv
< 1347754768 709307 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :two different personalities in the same body
< 1347754928 165510 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://everything2.com/title/The%2520Teach%2520Yourself%2520to%2520be%2520a%2520Dummy%2520in%252024%2520Hours%2520Bible
< 1347754979 983228 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i really want to click that link
< 1347754986 101499 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe.
< 1347755003 237271 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a really weird Perl subroutine.
< 1347755008 759726 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming that it really is valid Perl
< 1347755030 77146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://everything2.com/title/Primality+testing+with+Perl+regexs
< 1347755090 185834 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh this is pretty simple actually
< 1347755149 426369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/^(11+)\1+$/ is a perl "reg"ex matching composite unary numbers
< 1347755154 229417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/^(11+)\1+$/ is a perl "reg"ex matching composite unary numbers
< 1347755198 584105 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O what
< 1347755221 971534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(11+) captures 2 or more '1' digits
< 1347755237 998312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\1+ matches one or more copies of what was captured
< 1347755244 454690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\1 meaning "first capture group"
< 1347755270 10809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a unary number is composite if you can take off 2 or more 1s, and then represent the rest of the number by n copies of that
< 1347755277 98021 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in which case it is divisible by n+1)
< 1347755405 14067 :augur!~augur@pool-108-18-244-223.washdc.fios.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347755578 959016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :exercise: prove that the language of all composite unary numbers is not actually regular
< 1347755640 257769 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if composite numbers were regular, primes wouldn't be half as interesting as they are
< 1347755642 407636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :q.e.d.
< 1347756273 58781 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess regexes aren't always efficient
< 1347756277 72244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1347756317 92860 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl regexes can do a lot of things, you can even embed arbitrary perl code in them
< 1347756328 682192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also some cases even of actual regular expressions are very slow on some common interpreters
< 1347756331 773796 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://swtch.com/~rsc/regexp/regexp1.html
< 1347756345 424734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof: if it's regular then there is a DFSA recognizing it.  for a long enough string of 1's it must repeat state, which means there is some number k that can be added to any sufficiently large number and keep it as prime or composite.  but if p is a large prime then p+k*p is then also prime, a contradiction.
< 1347756676 969334 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1347756954 530527 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Of course, common interpreters are often very poorly implemented.
< 1347757015 234542 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... As that article describes. :)
< 1347757299 188688 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, [ and ] translated into maze as well
< 1347757308 604117 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maze successfully passed its Turing final exam!
< 1347757530 725178 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run java -jar clojure-1.4.0.jar -e "(use 'clojure.template) (macroexpand-1 '(do-template [a b c] (+ a b (- a c)) 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9))"
< 1347757552 432474 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​(do (+ 1 2 (- 1 3)) (+ 4 5 (- 4 6)) (+ 7 8 (- 7 9)))
< 1347757705 728463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice
< 1347757738 155242 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION couldn't think of a useful and easily demonstratable demonstration off the top of my head, but I think it's useful in general
< 1347757785 271213 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Sgeo> How common is do-template/
< 1347757785 442730 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Sgeo> *Commonly used
< 1347757790 891971 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<amalloy> Sgeo: ~never
< 1347757819 941335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it for
< 1347757855 313339 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine using it for defining a bunch of similar functions with different distinct parts
< 1347757869 16931 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, and what parts are different fixed
< 1347757903 950052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't you just describe all macros
< 1347758000 272996 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, but if I have a series of these things, I might not want to write a macro name repeatedly. I could just write a macro that takes a bunch of forms the way do-template does, but why not just use do-template?
< 1347758004 357425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: yay!
< 1347758117 702540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks he just finished his construction proving reversible brainfuck TC
< 1347758143 607944 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversible brainfuck?
< 1347758161 367293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like brainfuck, except [ jumps when _not_ zero
< 1347758206 440041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this makes it reversible (apart from possibly I/O, dependent on how you look at it)
< 1347758546 228808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about reversible boof?!
< 1347758711 984855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no clue, sorry
< 1347758914 108520 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347759035 210289 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run java -jar clojure-1.4.0.jar -e "(repeat 5)
< 1347759036 648151 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run java -jar clojure-1.4.0.jar -e "(repeat 5)"
< 1347759038 424926 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file
< 1347759071 287025 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​(5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5
< 1347759281 102911 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run /proc/self/exe
< 1347759313 785493 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :exe: cannot set terminal process group (-1): Inappropriate ioctl for device \ exe: no job control in this shell \ exe-4.1$
< 1347759401 64505 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /proc/self/cmdline
< 1347759404 385042 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat
< 1347759462 119418 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you have a link to your proof that 3-cell brainfuck is turing complete?
< 1347759694 670567 :augur!~augur@pool-108-18-244-223.washdc.fios.verizon.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347759727 156279 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I posted my proof
< 1347759727 327446 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347759741 80744 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347759784 737306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /proc/$PPID/cmdline
< 1347759787 659718 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh
< 1347759971 153337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Collatz_function
< 1347760000 474254 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right
< 1347760018 31425 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that link is missing both from the brainfuck page and your user page
< 1347760048 935635 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :n-cell brainfuck is similar to an n-counter minsky machine.
< 1347760149 752237 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's easy to say now that both have been shown turing complete ;)
< 1347760208 896481 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are obviously similar. Now they're proved to be equivalent.
< 1347760218 16853 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For n=3)
< 1347760267 703862 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :pops the champagne
< 1347760391 575620 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :98 bottles of champagne
< 1347760490 490590 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spasms and shrieks. emits hq9c+
< 1347760514 719051 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o
< 1347760520 148346 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no forget that
< 1347760521 340412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: no it is in the brainfuck page under computational class
< 1347760523 207678 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i did have an idea
< 1347760538 476439 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a use for the accumulator.
< 1347760555 347818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: n-1 or n-2 counter minsky machine, actually.  that restricted control flow _hurts_.
< 1347760612 467157 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... I checked that but somehow the sentence "Oerjan has made a conversion from iterated Collatz functions to 3-cell brainfuck." did not make me realize the proof was at the Collatz functions page
< 1347760623 981434 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so you need to encode the input as fractran does.
< 1347760635 582733 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say that's because it is 4am
< 1347760639 354243 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight to you all
< 1347760658 285594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also linked on my own article, although as "brainfuck"
< 1347760662 164463 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the accumulator could be used as input for the h and 9 functions in hq9+, being reset to zero after
< 1347760699 716369 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in the case of 9, in the case that the accumulator is not zero, it would count accumulator bottles of beer
< 1347760740 220494 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for h it would do something or other
< 1347760757 604174 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or nothing@
< 1347760759 60733 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :!
< 1347760764 658374 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well let's say I did not spot it, once again because of the time!
< 1347760778 339398 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind.. creeps back into my corner
< 1347761048 608431 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: that's dr. turing to you, punk
< 1347761152 128711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Reversible_Brainfuck#Computational_class
< 1347762332 308908 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347762350 901708 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /
< 1347762354 276668 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ opt \ proc \ sbin \ sys \ tmp \ usr \ var
< 1347762361 641647 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347762453 244456 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'import Data.List;import System.Process;import System.Posix;main=do x<-readProcess "ps"["axo","pid,ppid"]"";s<-getProcessID;let{ps=map((\[a,b]->(read a,read b)).words)$tail.lines$x;c=unfoldr(\p->case lookup p ps of Just pp->Just(pp,pp);_->Nothing)$fromEnum s};print c' | runghc
< 1347762458 39322 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc: can't find a package database at /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf.d
< 1347762553 60601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs <gregor.*ghc
< 1347762585 805948 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir: cannot create directory `/hackenv': File exists \ http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.23181
< 1347762592 204646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs <gregor.*ghc
< 1347762603 403842 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.9081
< 1347762608 411846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOUR BOT
< 1347762620 892820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean hi
< 1347762635 562983 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just have to exploit it in a less elegant language.
< 1347762640 92959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: <Gregor> I removed ghc because it was friggin' enormous
< 1347762657 412007 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc --version
< 1347762661 459848 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Glorious Glasgow Haskell Compilation System, version 6.12.1
< 1347762680 608467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except not the actual binary
< 1347762688 35508 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why
< 1347762705 908469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC should ship the base compiler for free and charge for extensions.
< 1347762734 2317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: <Gregor> I removed ghc because it was friggin' enormous
< 1347762736 988434 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad transformer SDK
< 1347762744 204672 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why keep the binary
< 1347762754 907964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: wtf does that do
< 1347762766 33201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it wasn't in the directory he deleted with everything else in it
< 1347762777 928923 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :o kay
< 1347762870 186814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it traces a process tree or something?
< 1347762902 385354 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recursive ppid
< 1347762907 692920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes.
< 1347763013 958408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run i=$$; while [ $i -ne 0 ]; do echo $i; i=$(ps -p $i -o ppid=); done
< 1347763017 637138 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :276 \ 274 \ 272 \ 1
< 1347763096 232638 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So inelegant
< 1347763127 246992 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo /proc/272/cmdline
< 1347763130 732904 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/proc/272/cmdline
< 1347763137 424444 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /proc/272/cmdline
< 1347763142 803585 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/init
< 1347763216 473161 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run stat /init
< 1347763219 485097 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :stat: cannot stat `/init': No such file or directory
< 1347763299 842637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /proc/272/cmdline | tr '\000' ' '
< 1347763302 677573 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/init
< 1347763307 971018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat /proc/$PPID/cmdline | tr '\000' ' '
< 1347763311 87420 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sh -c 'env' 'PATH=/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin' 'HACKENV=/hackenv' 'http_proxy=http://127.0.0.1:3128' '/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits' 'bash' '-c' 'cat /proc/$PPID/cmdline | tr '\''\000'\'' '\'' '\''' | cat
< 1347764038 234590 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: You can "hack" in PM, btw.
< 1347764110 394319 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good to know. But collaborative hacking is better.
< 1347764156 394198 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, the binary is only there because everything else was in /opt/ghc :)
< 1347764184 197728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can you "hack" a working GHC onto the server?
< 1347764235 933944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thx"
< 1347764265 351939 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DOLBY"
< 1347764273 60243 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I could. I choose not to.
< 1347764294 742687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Would you "hack" yourself so that you choose to install GHC?
< 1347764307 860882 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I could. I choose not to.
< 1347764351 424937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hack, n. to connect a bunch of LEDs to an Arduino
< 1347764365 695640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine, v.
< 1347764368 469045 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting how that definition is for a verb, right —
< 1347764377 215908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1347764377 387063 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Corrected yourself before I could finish ^^
< 1347764502 228906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine, v. Punish (someone) by making them pay a sum of money, typically as a penalty for breaking the law.
< 1347764547 792928 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine fare
< 1347764555 992347 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shacha, f.
< 1347764571 544263 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difficult verb in that sentence, as always, is "making them"
< 1347764584 953081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :funpun, s.
< 1347764587 157859 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the transitive verb of making someone do something is always awkward
< 1347764838 549802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causative
< 1347764867 226094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are no regular causative inflections in English, nor in any of the major European languages, which resort to idiomatic uses of certain verbs like English make or have, French faire or laisser, or German lassen."
< 1347765006 885533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen I think your [ in Maze is buggy, (1) It checks the rightmost cell not the middle, but only on the initial iteration (2) There shouldn't be any delays at the end of the straight down path.
< 1347765007 56673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1347765086 973084 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347765281 182387 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347765496 943109 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347765587 923404 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347765594 301127 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347766806 747200 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit
< 1347766872 92744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :butts
< 1347766917 140478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no iffs?
< 1347766992 327375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1347767284 866954 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds
< 1347767597 800209 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a bot in #jesus that would ban people if they said anything that matched the regex an[^t]s
< 1347767620 889446 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Among other regexes)
< 1347767690 812274 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :membranes?
< 1347767741 247674 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :doorjambs
< 1347767747 202051 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm
< 1347767748 817993 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't like angst.
< 1347767757 79961 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's a good one
< 1347767770 278094 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I wrote ambs, not anbs
< 1347767772 917376 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fails
< 1347767776 697856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they never read manuscripts
< 1347767814 81407 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The intelligence of civilization waxes and wanes.
< 1347767837 413283 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ants.
< 1347767846 133702 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm
< 1347767846 992259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ands
< 1347767853 575651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sands
< 1347767886 843224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did they remove it?
< 1347767902 533650 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1347767990 978663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did it strip control characters?
< 1347768009 314334 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Unicode zero-width spaces?
< 1347768035 229193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if your nickname, username, domain name, or cloak included such words?
< 1347768096 420870 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, irc doesn't have unicode.
< 1347768121 982273 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I don't remember, it was a time ago
< 1347768371 829078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, IRC is ASCII, although you can use any encodings compatible with ASCII in your message texts.
< 1347768568 600867 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347768694 80187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some IRC servers do not allow to send certain words in PRIVMSG and NOTICE, and if you send it in a QUIT your entire quit message will be erased, but allows it in NS INFO and so on. I have also been told some IRC servers disconnect you if you send certain words to the server at all, regardless of message. But what if you put it in your reverse DNS?
< 1347768971 412358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1347768988 665668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Freenode like this?
< 1347769001 484067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you know about & channels?
< 1347769004 535442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode doesn't have them.
< 1347769038 961750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope
< 1347769043 81052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i forgot what they are
< 1347769052 885139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some networks have channels that start with & instead of #
< 1347769058 689169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're specific to one IRC server.
< 1347769138 602074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they server-local?
< 1347769142 797317 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah
< 1347769145 624136 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java interop confuses me
< 1347769150 147440 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :require vs import vs use
< 1347769156 346506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you might use the & channel for server status, for discussion of only one server, etc. There are four channel types in IRC: !#&+ and # is the only one subject to takeovers during a split.
< 1347769163 737498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Is Java Inte a new kind of ROP?
< 1347769369 112080 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No no, java uses exceptions for control flow.
< 1347769614 386680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are ! and + channels like
< 1347769647 180053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1347769674 873980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Channels with + do not support MODE; it is fixed at +nt. Channels with ! are like # except that there is some hidden numbers before the name which is used by servers, so if you try to takeover during a split you will end up with a new channel instead.
< 1347769704 325250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, # is the only one which is vulnerable to takeovers.
< 1347769836 843336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Where are you getting that?
< 1347769844 668081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1459.txt
< 1347769854 375056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Channels names are strings (beginning with a '&' or '#' character) of length up to 200 characters.
< 1347769908 536085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the ! and + channels are a different RFC. I don't know.
< 1347770375 756278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is mega ad hoc
< 1347773090 522419 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does something with the dual intentions of being useful to him and perplexing to #esoteric
< 1347773163 342538 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :poik
< 1347773186 398597 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what is it
< 1347773204 139571 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll find out
< 1347773216 357430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Clojurmplaining?
< 1347773249 248761 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i'm about to leave and then not join this channel again for another few weeks so probably not
< 1347773278 98294 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in less than 15 minutes, I just gave it away.
< 1347773278 777846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: How's the C++?
< 1347773307 516760 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad
< 1347773318 845144 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it actually might not work as I'm hoping, hmm
< 1347773353 344380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm abusing /timer to issue a thing to lambdabot in #esoteric to tell me when the water I'm boiling is done boiling)
< 1347773772 376996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#cslunch has a bot specifically for that
< 1347773790 501506 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-114.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347773856 197303 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O
< 1347773892 403597 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I use it?
< 1347773927 482972 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot
< 1347773957 547883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :%time 15 rice
< 1347774016 673264 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, I'll use it, thanks
< 1347774036 502015 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does #cslunch have lunch
< 1347774060 495209 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Sgeo: Water done boiling"
< 1347774061 575081 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "Sgeo: Water done boiling"
< 1347774103 84364 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1347774134 12489 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, actually, sending it privately doesn't work
< 1347774144 733780 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't respond in private to setting it, but it does when the timer completes
< 1347774175 638573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347774387 542824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: #cslunch seems to exist.
< 1347774402 951243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to figure it out.
< 1347774497 157330 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the food topic channel associated with #cslounge
< 1347774516 33386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a more creative name than #cslounge-food, is all
< 1347774530 216854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you leave all associated channels when you left?
< 1347774608 677011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1347775682 579441 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, is "going on tangents" one of the reasons you left #haskell ? Because #cslounge is now debating over the meaning of the word "forum" after someone used "forum" instead of "channel"
< 1347775780 771626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, tangents are fine in general
< 1347775795 578535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my complaints with #haskell are more specific than that
< 1347776529 149697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be pretty hard to have any interesting conversations with any interesting people if you minded tangents
< 1347776557 429061 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is the wrong room to be in if you hate tangents.
< 1347776699 223341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep :)
< 1347776744 950835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tangents are hardly a sin.
< 1347776772 279334 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, we were on topic today.
< 1347776776 127247 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a rarity.
< 1347777110 757639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's debate the merits of tactile vs. linear keyswitches
< 1347777130 787444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which keyswitch is which?
< 1347777141 775274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_-
< 1347777366 500240 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is your "sin" comment also a pun?
< 1347777369 308826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yes.  yes it is.
< 1347777384 501001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of cos it is
< 1347777411 305454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Everything I say has at least one pun hidden in it.
< 1347777418 989276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you look deeply enough.
< 1347777441 309785 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything i say has at least one gun hidden in it
< 1347777475 834223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you see a loaded pun in the first act, it'll be used in the second act.
< 1347777534 827660 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jerkcity.com/jerkcity1151.html
< 1347777611 910742 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, Comic Chat was weird.
< 1347777664 68839 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet nobody here's tried IRCing with it. Maybe I should be the first to do so.
< 1347777680 469557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my time in #haskell i saw at least one comic chat user
< 1347777696 588536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what Comic Chat is.
< 1347777703 904821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I once set my font in irssi to Comic Sans.
< 1347777708 639034 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/62/MsComicChat.png This sums it up.
< 1347777711 975579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That has to count for something, right?
< 1347777718 298997 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, yes.
< 1347777718 640757 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always find it odd to see comic chat screenshots that aren't full of obscene nonsense
< 1347777732 779958 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comic Chat used Comic Sans.
< 1347777776 143619 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, minor correction, *shipped with*.
< 1347777802 840496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, just because drugs make music sound better, is no excuse to make awful music that's only tolerable when you're on drugs
< 1347777818 500186 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just throwing that out there
< 1347777819 599291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which drugs are we talking about?
< 1347777824 704070 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no experience with the former, but have to agree with the latter.
< 1347777832 955104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd ask which music, but it's terrible, so why bother.
< 1347777836 197667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of them but marijuana in particular
< 1347777852 83834 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :loltrance
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< 1347777892 475925 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, trance is one of the lesser offenders here, as far as electronic genres go
< 1347777902 25628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, i find psytrance pretty enjoable to listen to while sober
< 1347777914 104657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by "psytrance" i mainly mean "infected mushroom"
< 1347777918 703471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :accept no imitations
< 1347777937 295620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have just written a script which plays a random genre from di.fm and i am sort of regretting it
< 1347777972 354358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Space Dreams - DIGITALLY IMPORTED - ambient space music for expanding minds
< 1347777973 803995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :el oh el
< 1347777978 97995 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't really know what dubstep is.
< 1347777985 989716 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or trance, for that matter
< 1347778053 4894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gizmodo.com/5894092/dubstep-explained-with-hilarious-animation
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< 1347779503 650156 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(who the hell tried that?)
< 1347779503 736157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.seattlepi.com/national/article/Woman-accused-of-giving-husband-lethal-sherry-1165596.php
< 1347779510 70031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can't drink anymore." "Is that a challenge?"
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< 1347779518 466324 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose it'd be more of an enema.
< 1347779530 861276 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the best way to take any drug is to dissolve it in DMSO and then just stick your hand in
< 1347779543 135152 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Win.
< 1347779552 479460 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DMSO vodka.
< 1347779554 680117 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best thing.
< 1347779619 460839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you put your hand in DMSO you will taste garlic a moment later
< 1347779628 827571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like fun.
< 1347779642 642498 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like a highly dangerous thing
< 1347779660 395008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :allegedly it is pretty safe by itself
< 1347779670 813180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it lets other stuff through your skin
< 1347779685 159537 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a lot of evil things that could be done with something liek that
< 1347779700 545415 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Yup.
< 1347779713 451287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :squirt gun full of LSD and DMSO
< 1347779733 746670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :LSDMSO
< 1347779759 783798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also someone should just genetically engineer e. coli to produce psilocybin
< 1347779762 954701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could go wrong
< 1347779780 774415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is a hilarious apocalypse scenario
< 1347779797 415206 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it's better to just convert cellulose to ethanol.
< 1347779812 439297 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thereby turning all plants into booze.
< 1347779821 617712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1347779825 505355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way you get drunked with every brain cell u lose, right?
< 1347779835 607322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your aim gets hecked
< 1347779840 917196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no. :-(
< 1347779851 217679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Everyone is trying to get me to move to Boston these days.
< 1347779858 742603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people besides me?
< 1347779864 210120 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you considered moving to antiBoston?
< 1347779872 731472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, all the other Bostonpeople.
< 1347779877 315284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Thank you.
< 1347779945 890394 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :boston is great
< 1347780014 278638 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that boston came second on a biased list of world's most livable cities.
< 1347780039 625325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing
< 1347780056 357102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Have you ever tried DMSO?
< 1347780063 300179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
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< 1347782449 842187 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au NICK :bf
< 1347782464 389766 :bf!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is brainfuck, and brainfuck is bf.
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< 1347786539 279279 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi
< 1347786551 357392 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, GHC 7.6 now has a lambda case extension
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< 1347786842 693687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you see http://blog.ezyang.com/2012/01/problem-set-the-codensity-transformation/ ?
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< 1347791177 555780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 7h 16m 11s ago: I think your [ in Maze is buggy, (1) It checks the rightmost cell not the middle, but only on the initial iteration (2) There shouldn't be any delays at the end of the
< 1347791177 743051 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :straight down path.
< 1347791209 456296 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, indeed
< 1347791212 986643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to clarify, it doesn't do _any_ test of a cell other than on the initial iteration
< 1347791213 174083 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :t 3
< 1347791214 226124 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  <no location info>: parse error on input `:'
< 1347791239 60077 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to make the rightmost cell the "current" cell to ease things, but I forgot
< 1347791248 646548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that does look simpler
< 1347791264 997156 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes you're right it doesn't do tests besides the first iteration, I'll change that
< 1347791320 158779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 3
< 1347791321 163295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Num t) => t
< 1347792240 232017 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: as for %D and others being usable in functions, that's one of the things the page is very imprecise about; I suspect you could use ## or -- or whatever as well in a function
< 1347792305 882062 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IF ==0 THEN << ELSE >>"
< 1347792351 906326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: erm the original text before you formatted said a lot of "maze only" and "functions only"
< 1347792369 688474 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm right
< 1347792383 556277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just fixed the remaining exception
< 1347792405 734269 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're sure it was the only one?
< 1347792414 980187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually comments should also be allowed everywhere
< 1347792450 707447 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1347792469 355886 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though if I was to implement Maze I wouldn't bother with comments in the maze
< 1347792497 611487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 99 bottles has lots of comments
< 1347792500 150198 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd store everything in a 2d array and only check where the car is going
< 1347792519 595256 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but I mean, it's like in Befunge - as long as you don't drive through the comments, there is no need to mark them as such
< 1347792525 882264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed
< 1347792612 428663 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, other bug in '[': if the condition is met in the first occurrence (so cars must continue downwards without bothering), they'd be desynchronized by the timings
< 1347792620 591851 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right that's what you meant
< 1347792623 496650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that was my (2)
< 1347792674 716765 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 4 5
< 1347792675 577823 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  3
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< 1347792780 361115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye for now
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< 1347792785 622506 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you later
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< 1347803493 61758 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-18-235.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
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< 1347812685 379420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you know that Ivy Bridge contains a hardware RNG? http://spectrum.ieee.org/computing/hardware/behind-intels-new-randomnumber-generator/0
< 1347812756 274714 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't the first example on the page http://esolangs.org/wiki/Real_Fast_Nora%27s_Hair_Salon_3:_Shear_Disaster_Download be LAMBDA LAMBDA LAMBDA APPLY ONE MORE THAN ONE MORE THAN ONE MORE THAN ZERO APPLY ONE MORE THAN ONE MORE THAN ZERO ONE MORE THAN ZERO ?
< 1347813342 187801 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think JNAerator may be more tuned to generating code made to be accessible in Java vs making it easy to use from Clojure
< 1347813344 204808 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shock*
< 1347813351 506698 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No actual shock intended)
< 1347813455 463416 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://saveie6.com/
< 1347813514 38882 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3
< 1347813631 56477 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to love the way that the site uses XHTML and CSS.
< 1347813674 731955 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does?
< 1347813691 146779 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I didn't notice that when using links2
< 1347813821 363716 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"IE6 is the only browser that gets the box model right. Content + padding + border = overall width. What else should it be?"
< 1347813827 26409 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it supposed to be?
< 1347813840 683159 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's ... wrong with whatever it is that IE6 is described as doing there?
< 1347814232 378534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :VIA PadLock has had a hardware on-chip RNG since January 2003.
< 1347814314 23168 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: In the CSS model, the width is content only
< 1347814319 523384 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :padding and border are on top of widht
< 1347814323 455883 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:W3C_and_Internet_Explorer_box_models.svg
< 1347814350 705915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah
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< 1347814533 410400 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The IE model does make sizing easier
< 1347814547 332867 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think nowadays you can switch box models in CSS though?
< 1347814631 901228 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1347814691 393878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can box-sizing: border-box; though.
< 1347814727 468563 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.css3.info/preview/box-sizing/
< 1347814772 810868 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Internet Explorer 8, WebKit browsers such as Apple Safari 5.1+ and Google Chrome, Opera 7.0 and later, and Konqueror 3.3.2 and later support the CSS3 box-sizing property. Gecko-based browsers such as Mozilla Firefox support the same functionality using a proprietary "-moz-box-sizing" property,"
< 1347814778 955370 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(From Wikipedia)
< 1347814785 459977 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are we allowed to have Firefox over this?
< 1347814796 894239 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hate
< 1347815137 925968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: They're probably dropping the prefix as soon as https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=243412 gets closed.
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< 1347815298 587553 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so, never?
< 1347815490 886904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well now... they've closed a few of the depends.
< 1347816303 30648 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do both <embed> and <object> exist?
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< 1347816620 518164 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages?
< 1347816620 612844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today.
< 1347816623 89388 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)
< 1347817140 207437 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, Acid3 requires a web server that knows what it's doing
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< 1347817671 600861 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :please sign this petition: http://saveie6.com/
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< 1347818326 993588 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Where will I get IE6 for Linux from
< 1347818348 701746 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you use linux
< 1347818351 771696 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't get ie6
< 1347818356 203126 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: ie4linux
< 1347818371 210784 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: On ARM?
< 1347818380 692485 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :use qemu
< 1347818389 66075 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's slow
< 1347818416 11185 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then sign the petition so ie6 will be ported to other architectures
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< 1347818550 28584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need IE6 on Linux?
< 1347818578 134374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :qemu is surprisingly fast
< 1347818593 396323 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://saveie6.com/
< 1347818610 750747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<nortti> shouldn't the first example on the page http://esolangs.org/wiki/Real_Fast_Nora%27s_Hair_Salon_3:_Shear_Disaster_Download be LAMBDA LAMBDA LAMBDA APPLY ONE MORE THAN ONE MORE THAN ONE MORE THAN ZERO APPLY ONE MORE THAN ONE MORE THAN ZERO ONE MORE THAN ZERO ?
< 1347818623 990316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i checked the example was correct...
< 1347818630 743401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours is, lessee...
< 1347818696 917228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\ \ \ (3 (2 1)), or \x y z -> x (y z).  that is composition, not church addition.
< 1347818706 167864 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\xyz.q(xy)
< 1347818716 287587 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indices are zero-based
< 1347818720 170744 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1347818722 341617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh
< 1347818736 157672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's wrong even so
< 1347818772 668164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: i'm not sure if you've been on since i made the implementation
< 1347818787 20142 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh, I saw that!
< 1347818799 262179 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't looked at it in detail, though
< 1347818804 998307 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been a crazy homestuck this weekend
< 1347818823 724048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy homestuck, or crazy with homestuck?
< 1347818830 188375 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of both
< 1347818873 415087 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Been hanging out with all the other readers of homestuck
< 1347818883 83961 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the North-East of England
< 1347818889 106261 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who are willing to be hung out with
< 1347818897 26262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, a con
< 1347818906 389850 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today was a con
< 1347818909 840207 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday was a meet-up
< 1347818986 208109 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, less a con and more "let's see if we can get 200 people in anime costumes into two small rooms"
< 1347818990 466881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we now know who here is a con man
< 1347819004 240352 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon it's zzo38
< 1347819008 338365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1. (1) victimize, swindle, rook, goldbrick, nobble, diddle, bunco, defraud, scam, mulct, gyp, gip, hornswoggle, short-change, con -- (deprive of by deceit; "He swindled me out of my inheritance"; "She defrauded the customers who trusted her"; "the cashier gypped me when he gave me too little change")
< 1347819030 411804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mulct".
< 1347819051 775294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no:mulkt means en:fine
< 1347819060 161056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn mulct
< 1347819060 523815 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "mulct" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1347819060 743011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mulct
< 1347819060 839321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: money extracted as a penalty [syn: {fine}, {mulct},
< 1347819060 857804 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :         {amercement}]
< 1347819060 857962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    v 1: deprive of by deceit; "He swindled me out of my
< 1347819062 580791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[6 @more lines]
< 1347819079 35419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently no:mulkt also means en:mulct.
< 1347819081 987145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, the n 1 meaning
< 1347819105 302878 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, but it's a silly word.
< 1347819109 678020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although no:bot is more common
< 1347819123 8210 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway
< 1347819127 478056 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should not be allowed to dance
< 1347819128 709912 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever
< 1347819136 298546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY
< 1347819139 915484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no:bot" is some kind of an IRC bot.
< 1347819150 313503 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn wn
< 1347819150 522768 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "wn".
< 1347819152 974805 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn win
< 1347819153 485807 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "win" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
< 1347819153 580988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :win
< 1347819153 599785 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    n 1: a victory (as in a race or other competition); "he was
< 1347819153 599946 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :         happy to get the win"
< 1347819153 600053 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    2: something won (especially money) [syn: {winnings}, {win},
< 1347819155 469975 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[20 @more lines]
< 1347819158 402240 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more
< 1347819158 591815 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :       {profits}] [ant: {losings}, {losses}]
< 1347819159 479796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    v 1: be the winner in a contest or competition; be victorious;
< 1347819161 430685 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :         "He won the Gold Medal in skating"; "Our home team won";
< 1347819162 973486 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@less
< 1347819163 451878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :         "Win the game" [ant: {lose}]
< 1347819165 356837 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: let list oeis
< 1347819167 451413 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :    2: win something through one's efforts; "I acquired a passing
< 1347819169 410239 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[15 @more lines]
< 1347819171 659049 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@too much
< 1347819171 978515 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `todo' failed with: @todo has no args, try @todo-add or @list todo
< 1347819218 689494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<atriq> I reckon it's zzo38 <-- hm this idea gives me cognitive dissonance - it is both obviously true and obviously false
< 1347819241 203723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the other "con" meaning, that is
< 1347819254 328876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i doubt zzo38 would ever defraud anyone 
< 1347819332 748101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you go to cons?
< 1347819702 326146 :subleq!~gavin@208.186.116.206 QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1347819781 951372 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-114-28.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347819952 779939 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-121-172.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
< 1347820185 629222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I go to anime convention in August
< 1347820204 686927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah
< 1347820294 491085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adjusts the real fast nora implementation slightly
< 1347820350 317090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this makes it impossible for the program to make any use of the particular number calculation mechanism used
< 1347820356 739800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know some things about hardware design with discrete logic:   http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?p=99641#p99641   How simple do you think such a design would be? How much would it cost?
< 1347820418 536062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically v, which is borrowed from unlambda, is a function which is entirely unusable in a pure language without continuations
< 1347820433 44285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since applying it to anything gives itself back
< 1347820450 909869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if it is even possible to use an audio signal to clock anything?
< 1347820469 546560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that would be a rather slow clock, wouldn't it?
< 1347820493 847242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a cpu that is
< 1347820580 289769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unlambda of course perversely ties it in with i/o, so you _have_ to use it.)
< 1347820605 714069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but then unlambda is impure and has continuations.)
< 1347820943 437998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347820977 940607 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pure language is kind of like a particle collider
< 1347821037 369321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE
< 1347821051 806896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes it is a slow clock, but read what I wrote I did not intend it to clock a CPU, I intend it to clock a 4-bit counter, which is then mixed with the audio.
< 1347821066 884128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1347821071 576977 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually had thoughts behind that statement
< 1347821082 231555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that even work, though?
< 1347821101 172312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: i feel it may tend to understate the messiness of particle collisions
< 1347821140 262276 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a function q :: Int -> IO [Int].
< 1347821143 560826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i cannot see any reason why that couldn't be made... but i'm no circuit designer.
< 1347821149 485589 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you work out what it does?
< 1347821162 392464 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Throwing stuff at it and seeing which countries you destroy
< 1347821208 222215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah q is harmless.  it's blofeld you should be wary about.
< 1347821268 772639 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a Doctor cosplayer today, and a doctor (from yesterday's episode) cosplayer too
< 1347821275 395514 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The audio is already amplified, it may be a square wave (with different volume settings and duty settings) but can also be triangle wave, what happen if that is used for clock?
< 1347821339 968152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1347821380 220383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I can't decide whether to add CVE-2012-0056 to my kernel exploits talk
< 1347821409 573220 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an interesting and unusual sort of vulnerability, but for exactly this reason it will be annoying to explain, and will break the flow of everything else (which is mostly about memory corruption)
< 1347821421 516287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: hey, all the *function* does is return an inert IO action ;)
< 1347821435 907806 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1347821453 462464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO actions don't kill people.  Runtime systems with IO actions kill people.
< 1347821457 658061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1347821473 274743 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming languages don't kill people, interpreters do
< 1347821548 544666 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm evil and that contains unsafePerformIO
< 1347821631 7657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \k -> let x = unsafePerformIO k in x `seq` (return x `asTypeOf` k)
< 1347821631 984033 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `unsafePerformIO'
< 1347821702 616291 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO a -> IO a
< 1347821972 573752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i don't know what to answer on today's iwc poll.  i'll have to wait until a night i can see the big dipper.
< 1347821994 968530 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, did I thread-title well?
< 1347822030 394080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i haven't got to that forum section yet
< 1347822036 564108 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :K
< 1347822047 685263 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only read the forum twice a week
< 1347822053 141826 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1347822068 236740 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At one point, I was only reading them twice an hour
< 1347822075 559424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1347822087 753207 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how I'm in the top 25 posters
< 1347822094 690789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY
< 1347822122 917165 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-18-235.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric
< 1347822166 488878 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functional programming works best with a little impurity mixed in (but not too much)
< 1347822184 611084 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think everything works best with other things thrown at it
< 1347822195 149280 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hence why we're  not all using Lazy K in our day-to-day lives
< 1347822281 477796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be lazy, k?
< 1347822302 785126 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. So psyduck is a pokemon.
< 1347822307 593100 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1347822309 198823 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes?
< 1347822328 112533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY'RE ALL PSYCHOS
< 1347822349 983187 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just knew it from that ... thing in Canada
< 1347822354 988113 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, the term
< 1347822371 596340 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by Canada I mean IRCnomic
< 1347822410 227844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<atriq> oerjan, did I thread-title well? <-- ACCEPTABLE
< 1347822417 206323 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So proud!
< 1347822424 662991 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg04249.html
< 1347823005 139989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i agree
< 1347823011 966707 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people always say that as though it's a damning criticism of haskell
< 1347823018 557051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as though haskell has no way to handle IO, state, etc.
< 1347823042 356430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo Haskell's is the pragmatic moderate position
< 1347823049 678179 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell allows impurity if you really want to
< 1347823057 466611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than "side effects everywhere for no reason" it's "effects where you need them, and pay attention"
< 1347823079 276981 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347823089 532429 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i blame the haskell beginners who write breathless excited blog posts where they completely misunderstand the language and what its "purity" actually means
< 1347823102 852782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm just bitter
< 1347823539 785257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo people should stop talking about "pure" vs "impure" functions
< 1347823552 246448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in haskell you have functions and you have actions; they are separate and complimentary things
< 1347823577 373404 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no!!! Basketball is difficult! My best PG and SF are injured! I have only one SF remaining! And, I only have one PF and one C remaining! I want to buy more but it is too expensive!!!!
< 1347823593 654568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 you are employee of the month
< 1347823603 589134 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check.
< 1347823619 216008 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so.
< 1347823646 913534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i buy basketball players in bulk over the internet
< 1347823649 567187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there is "employee of the month", either in this computer game or in places where I do work.
< 1347823673 135401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You're doing the talk again?
< 1347823684 865767 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You buy basketball players in bulk over the internet?
< 1347823727 384455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, this is the one where a program overwrites its memory by writing to /proc/mem?
< 1347823933 452895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of Csound can use audio signals to clock other signals?
< 1347824138 212505 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "ping"
< 1347824139 367176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  "ping"
< 1347824150 850830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1347824185 243862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/of/if/
< 1347824279 58672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was the author of Nyquist (the synthesis language) at this speech conference giving a talk about computers and music. (They like to schedule keynotes that are a bit "different".)
< 1347824313 688582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: your Maze [ looks good now :)
< 1347824335 950982 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you :)
< 1347824758 129248 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know if any Famicom cartridge uses the Audio Out pin for any purpose other than mixing with its own audio, although it seem that it could be used for other things too, such as: * Controllable filter * Controllable volume (which affects even triangle and DPCM, and gives more levels for square) * Amplitude modulation or frequency modulation of other audio
< 1347825086 382204 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm too lazy to implement an interpreter for Maze. Do you know of another language I might want to work on? :)
< 1347825451 136014 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eodermdrone:P
< 1347826116 909640 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm
< 1347826136 748148 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we sure any graph can be represented as an eodermdrome string of characters?
< 1347826147 390883 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously it has to be connex, but appart from that
< 1347826212 289138 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
< 1347826258 153037 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance if the graph is a "star" (A, B, C, D, E, with A connected to every other and others not connected between them), I don't see how it can be represented in an eodermdrome way
< 1347826339 893404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: ABACADAE? 
< 1347826390 27043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And certainly one string can't represent any graph; e.g. if the graph has more than 26 nodes.
< 1347826392 583506 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh you can duplicate edges, ok
< 1347826416 384103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is an arc between any two letters which are consecutive in the string, but not otherwise."
< 1347826427 509363 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes
< 1347826682 333896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Annoys me every time I see it: esolang wiki Eodermdrome article mentions that the initial state graph is planar, yet the illustration has crossing edges. (And it would need relatively minor changes to avoid those.)
< 1347826807 909473 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, there's no such thing as a "string of whitespace that contains punctuation marks".
< 1347826992 839506 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it is planar. That particular representation has crossing edges.
< 1347827004 619365 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's fizzie's point.
< 1347827011 367848 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should br drawn without crossing edges.
< 1347827017 217508 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see why anyone should worry
< 1347827027 887049 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not stopping it from actually being planar
< 1347827088 451206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say I had logically immaculate reasons for being annoyed by it.
< 1347827094 948137 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay
< 1347827111 671065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't "look planar" when it has "unnecessary" crossing edges, is all.
< 1347827134 96790 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how oerjan's bct.sss (a BCT interpreter in ///) starts by making ///'s syntax nicer.
< 1347827652 523419 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I notice that the /// quine is completely unexplained.
< 1347827727 724172 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: is it not obvious?
< 1347827746 382276 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I get it.
< 1347827753 1941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> Annoys me every time I see it: esolang wiki Eodermdrome article mentions that the initial state graph is planar, yet the illustration has crossing edges. (And it would need relatively minor changes to avoid those.) <-- yeah that annoys me too, especially as i carefully made the previous ascii version have none :(
< 1347827753 903283 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those slashes go that way, and *those* slashes go *that* way.
< 1347827784 920402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: :P
< 1347827794 940389 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed.. the significant realization is that there are two kinds of slashes being used
< 1347827805 46422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: it does use _almost_ the same principles as the bct interpreter, though.
< 1347827846 170284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i needed to use 3 /'s instead of 2 to start tokens, though.
< 1347828069 205074 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION refactors the quine.
< 1347828075 639239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
< 1347828095 462312 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, this will cause it to cease to be a quine.
< 1347828103 701504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay
< 1347828159 359112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw ///\\ is the quoting prefix in the quine, iirc
< 1347828246 853725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph elliott has still not fixed the broken /// links
< 1347828388 256907 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION introduces syntactic sugar for ///\\
< 1347828396 378723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good move
< 1347828398 684685 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as syntactic sugar for... everything.
< 1347828411 191092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's essentially what . is in most of my other programs
< 1347828422 58193 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :(, |, and ) are all replaced with /.  ! and _ are \/ and //, respectively.
< 1347828438 704593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well sugar for whatever the quoting prefix is)
< 1347828439 372710 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the first two lines are, of course:
< 1347828443 169453 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ ///
< 1347828445 462074 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric ://
< 1347828449 864546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P
< 1347828464 257952 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sending those two messages was not trivial.
< 1347828467 50338 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... it was trivial.
< 1347828474 790040 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not absolutely trivial.
< 1347828528 908591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see the point of ! and _ there
< 1347828539 271861 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes substitutions easier to read.
< 1347828556 526505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean _ = \\ ?
< 1347828556 620608 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of \/\/\/\\\\ for ///\\, you can see !!!__ for ///\\.
< 1347828648 304161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and things starting with ///\/ are other tokens.
< 1347828688 403527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to find out yourself where they end :)
< 1347828707 968039 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ I don't know what . is //
< 1347828716 206768 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ Whatever this is, I don't know what it is, either //
< 1347828748 651500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...okay...
< 1347828923 826203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall when i made the bct interpreter, i considered introducing syntactic sugar for combinations of escaping with \ and escaping with //\\ (its quoting token), but i thought better of it
< 1347829045 758156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it has spots with \ escaped //\\ escaped \ escaped //\\ escaped something
< 1347829054 579185 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uh, _ is quoted \, = is quoted _, and # is quoted =.  ///\\ is replaced with a triply quoted version of itself, followed by a doubly quoted backslash and a singly quoted backslash.
< 1347829068 945822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait, maybe the last was just //\ for a general token
< 1347829188 449978 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, no, remove one quotation level from what I just said.
< 1347829248 579111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the code contains a \\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/ replacement
< 1347829258 713868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is escaped
< 1347829271 69125 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the replacement for ///\\ ends with an unescaped backslash, doesn't it?
< 1347829280 821872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i distinguish quoting from escaping.  quoting is prepending ///\\ while escaping is prepending \
< 1347829307 287340 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, s/quote/escape/ in everything I said.
< 1347829314 192347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@show \\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/
< 1347829314 380019 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/"
< 1347829328 601634 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@read "\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/"
< 1347829328 789494 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `dummy' failed with: Prelude.read: no parse
< 1347829331 716431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh
< 1347829345 440850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/"
< 1347829346 563484 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  <no location info>:
< 1347829346 751248 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     lexical error in string/character literal at chara...
< 1347829360 766881 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Quit: kwertii
< 1347829363 9465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is something fishy here
< 1347829378 760031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait the last / doesn't belong
< 1347829385 117877 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@read "\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"
< 1347829385 305001 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `dummy' failed with: Prelude.read: no parse
< 1347829393 826076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"
< 1347829395 25178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  <no location info>:
< 1347829395 212984 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     lexical error in string/character literal at chara...
< 1347829399 234339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAA
< 1347829416 27710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait
< 1347829419 967596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "\/"
< 1347829420 964698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :  <no location info>:
< 1347829421 152536 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :     lexical error in string/character literal at chara...
< 1347829425 531119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that explains it
< 1347829463 335657 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly, we need @sssshow and @sssread commands.
< 1347829472 296912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly.
< 1347829503 486433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@show \\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
< 1347829503 767863 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"
< 1347829541 31925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may not be helping
< 1347829565 149403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def unesc bf ,,[.,,]
< 1347829565 433813 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined.
< 1347829573 356186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unesc \\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
< 1347829573 701149 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\
< 1347829619 366743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now imagine that in front of some arbitrary character c
< 1347829628 824126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :\\\/\\\/\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\c
< 1347829650 964009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unesc \\\/\\\/\\\/\\\\\\\\\\\c
< 1347829651 266943 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :\/\/\/\\\\\c
< 1347829657 872989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^unesc \/\/\/\\\\\c
< 1347829658 155010 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :///\\c
< 1347829664 631756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :uc?
< 1347829691 175805 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-81-154.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
< 1347829745 792528 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So ///\\c is replaced with a doubly escaped version of itself, followed by a singly quoted backslash, then a singly quoted c.  So...
< 1347829765 728708 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is probably the only channel where you see people implement handy utility programs.. in brainfuck
< 1347829769 342321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no ///\\c is replaced with a doubly escaped version of itself, period
< 1347829775 828410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: XD
< 1347829779 114752 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, right.
< 1347829798 50139 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And how the Flynn–Fletcher does that help anything...
< 1347829818 634129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you can copy it twice without losing data...
< 1347829873 189946 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you copy something, again.  You stick a pair of slashes before it, and one after, and wait for it to be executed.
< 1347829907 753112 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, in this case, you can, of course, do twice without losing data.
< 1347830001 797072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be more precise, you can first make two copies, then make a new copy of one of the copies.  and the two versions will look _different_.
< 1347830032 304804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one will be quoted with ///\\, while one will be quoted with \/\/\/\\\\\
< 1347830097 151387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you can now do a substitution on just one of the copies, to replace its quoting with just \-escaping
< 1347830134 15468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_then_ you can copy/move the other version into a designated spot of that
< 1347830175 568294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while still losing no data, as that still remains ///\\ quoted
< 1347830211 634641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and finally you replace that remaining ///\\ with \/\/\/\\\\\ again.
< 1347830236 615055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at which point you will have constructed something which prints as the original program
< 1347830279 15128 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347830325 507026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all very similar to the principle of all the looping programs since the second one made, except you construct something printable instead of something executable.
< 1347830344 671736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as the original)
< 1347830465 172847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_< any questions? >_>
< 1347830484 927271 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1347830504 9239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good
< 1347830507 360156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bring it on
< 1347830565 191210 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm that was something about reversible brainfuck but I can't seem to remember what
< 1347830644 823131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my TC-proof perhaps?
< 1347830657 943473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently
< 1347830675 348868 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was certainly related, yes
< 1347830722 757538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :->
< 1347830752 89979 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, isn't there some remarkably simple modification you can do to BF to make it reversible?
< 1347830798 653257 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like... make it so that brackets are entered if the value is 0 and skipped if the value is not 0.
< 1347830804 996861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the guilting only works in PM.
< 1347831127 341267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: um like http://esolangs.org/wiki/Reversible_Brainfuck you mean? *cough*
< 1347831156 76825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what guilting?
< 1347831169 969889 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah.  That's exactly the same as what I just described, right?
< 1347831170 817157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know. elliott told me to tell you.
< 1347831180 654141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: aha
< 1347831188 220088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the /// links right
< 1347831234 745827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yep
< 1347831353 677539 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so it's possible to be turing-complete and reversible at the same time?
< 1347831371 832331 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shoking
< 1347831446 890146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: for turing machines themselves that's an old result
< 1347831481 621700 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reversible turing machines ?
< 1347831534 959111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you can make turing machine tables that are reversible
< 1347831585 355067 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are Turing machines that are both universal and reversible?
< 1347831587 749416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can make an idealized reversible computer which uses no energy
< 1347831595 376704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only when you want to forget stuff that you need to take in energy
< 1347831595 753474 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting rid of heat could be interesting.
< 1347831640 942232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for such a machine, the bit bucket is physically real :P
< 1347831677 595593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*computer
< 1347831772 695412 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also quantum computation is reversible
< 1347831788 403298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for making observations (?????? this is where i run out of knowledge)
< 1347831827 574929 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Under the many-worlds interpretation, that part's reversible, too.
< 1347831841 715590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah...
< 1347831850 680765 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given the talk about eigenratios that's happened, I'm pondering an assembly language that admits an extremely efficient self-interpreter.
< 1347831858 201607 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it would be pretty easy.
< 1347831890 48876 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec <register> - execute one instruction, using the memory pointed to by <register> as the register bank.
< 1347831921 854423 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But wait, that doesn't work.  You could write a one-instruction infinite loop with that.
< 1347831947 655626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a problem how?
< 1347831963 317725 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think we should have an upper bound on the amount of time that executing a single instruction can take.
< 1347831964 298290 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :jmp $ is also a one-instruction infinite loop
< 1347832002 123317 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah, true.  But that one works by executing a single instruction infinitely many times.  Each individual execution is finite.
< 1347832020 727825 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :With this instruction, however, executing that one instruction, once, could take arbitrarily long.
< 1347832057 11571 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, it would just take one instruction time to update the pointed-to program counter and continue after the exec instruction?
< 1347832154 181984 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, suppose that $2 points at a piece of memory whose instruction pointer points at the exec instruction.
< 1347832220 689706 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then if you tell the interpreter to exec $2, it will look up the instruction pointer at $2, load its pointee (which is exec $2), and execute exec $2, and in doing so, it will look up the instruction pointer at $2, and ...
< 1347832777 275695 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1347832978 626368 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.113.125.81 PART :#esoteric
< 1347833585 490712 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-114-28.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1347833768 409091 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whelp, I've made a subleq self-interpreter.  It works by copying parts of the interpretee into itself.
< 1347833769 574289 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can we make esolang that can program hardware instead of only software?
< 1347833786 105293 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure it's impossible to write a subleq self-interpreter that doesn't do that.
< 1347833814 741175 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: those exist.  Two-dimensional esolangs where all state is local.
< 1347834044 989119 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think BackFlip is a good example.
< 1347834068 504480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, backflip
< 1347834081 812180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never managed to make any real programs in that
< 1347834109 760314 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, real computation.  of course it doesn't have io
< 1347834199 232154 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you've heard of Wireworld, I assume?
< 1347834567 371452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I have heard and know about both BackFlip and Wireworld.
< 1347834602 435054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I mean making actual hardware gates from it.
< 1347834743 965726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as: discrete logic connected manually, CPLD (such as a JEDEC file), FPGA (such as AT40k bitstreams, since someone has documented their format), ASIC, compiling into a hardware description language, or something else.
< 1347835184 795150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But regardless, these are for digital electronics. What if, you make esolang for analog electronics?
< 1347835279 365854 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proce!  }:D
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< 1347835354 711676 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Game of Life count as an esolang?
< 1347835376 257609 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it counts as a programming language at all, whether or not esoteric.
< 1347835412 385369 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The semantics of Proce are perhaps best defined in terms of analog electronics.
< 1347835517 511531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make up a Proce->SPICE compiler, if such thing would be possible?
< 1347835539 327055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If such thing would be possible, then it would be possible.
< 1347835547 954602 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly possible, yes.
< 1347835586 575804 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each signal is simply a wire.  i! is an integrator, + is an adder, * is an amplifier, r! is a rectifier, and so on.
< 1347835637 155800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1347835662 445422 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: game of life is turing complete :)
< 1347835727 788172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I saw once the turing machine in game of life.
< 1347835752 487549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I requires a large number of cells.
< 1347835857 23983 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think most people would consider Turing-completeness as necessary /or/ sufficient for the descriptor “programming language”
< 1347836108 203157 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I guess I'd say that to be a language, the input has to consist of text.
< 1347836174 838853 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the act of programming in such cases becomes loading the initial GoL cells, and uh.. afterwards im not quite sure
< 1347836178 148562 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Or speech or gestures.
< 1347836192 290158 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or symbols?
< 1347836231 701120 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno.
< 1347836269 643343 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if the input is an arbitrary real number, and the "language" is simply a continuous function R -> R?
< 1347836277 951894 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Smalltalk texty enough? What about where someone drags building blocks together?
< 1347836297 954429 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could it be Turing-complete?  Would it then be a language?
< 1347836332 250652 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GoL can be fitted to that definition
< 1347836338 293028 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a Turing-completely dynamical system whose step function is a holomorphic function of the complex numbers.
< 1347836358 216621 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are certainly languages for describing GoL patterns.  Such languages would themselves probably be considered Turing-complete programming languages.
< 1347836360 971885 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With an isomorphism from boards with a finite number of live cells to real numbers
< 1347836372 713317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Is it possible to prove whether or not there is a Turing-completely dynamical system whose step function is a holomorphic function of the complex numbers?
< 1347836387 930500 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is there a Turing-complete dynamical system whose step function is a holomorphic function of the complex numbers?  Thanks.
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< 1347836415 464365 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a holomorphic function?
< 1347836417 8091 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, make that a computable function.
< 1347836428 582592 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: a differentiable one.
< 1347836441 367916 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, in the complex numbers, is the same thing as a smooth one.
< 1347836449 465974 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I think is the same thing as an analytic one?
< 1347836468 294678 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is.
< 1347836485 64889 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Differentiable = holomorphic = analytic, for functions of the complex numbers.  According to Wikipedia.
< 1347836497 379337 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Mandelbrot set definitely looks like the sort of thing that could be computational.
< 1347836511 167887 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way to make a smooth function which at integer inputs matches a GoL function?
< 1347836535 441753 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a way to make a smooth function which, at integer inputs, matches any function Z -> R whatsoever.
< 1347836545 837807 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that's not true.
< 1347836559 465160 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe it is.  But in any case.
< 1347836570 889785 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's definitely possible for any bounded function Z -> R.
< 1347836706 890665 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If F : Z -> R, then f(x) = sum_{n in Z} F(n) sinc(x - n) ought to coincide with it.
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< 1347844289 42244 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think MZM layer mode is the same as PC textmode format (except for the header).
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< 1347856547 611703 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :<zzo38> I requires a large number of cells. -- millions
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< 1347856825 76247 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's sinc
< 1347856854 442522 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, just wikipedia'd it
< 1347857224 562700 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :which operations are expected to be more efficient by internalising computer data?
< 1347857413 628604 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is to say, given a pleasant autumn day and a garden by a creek, can a computer's data being uploaded to a human brain somehow improve the ability for a human to sit under a tree and listen to the birds sing?
< 1347857491 114813 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_depressive_disorder is the worst thing
< 1347857716 356090 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ostensibly my point is that humans do not need man-made augmentation except on a case by case basis for medical conditions
< 1347857807 533833 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason for this dark alley of research to exist is for profit
< 1347857884 711653 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the only real distinction between direct augmentation of the human form and technology is the efficiency.
< 1347857901 350904 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the human form, honestly, has many faults.
< 1347857935 80810 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is fucking *buggy*.
< 1347857936 737961 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you find a way to harm people in a way that they are willing to be harmed and make it legal, you will invaribaly maximize profits
< 1347857970 884000 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why but this rule seems to hold quite well
< 1347857989 819218 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is human augmentation harmful?
< 1347858013 543066 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the only thing more faulty than non-man-made things is man-made things :D
< 1347858061 538666 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, we have organs that are only notable because they fuck up and kill you.
< 1347858072 451208 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of: we are not just mortal, but short-lived.
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< 1347858101 168759 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly don't want to be immortal
< 1347858119 864393 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you wish to live right now? Do you wish to live tomorrow?
< 1347858156 666329 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you anticipate any day where you will not want to live the *next* day?
< 1347858166 393290 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm
< 1347858181 887002 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you answered "yes", then induction says you want to live forever.
< 1347858197 285639 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i change though... so its ok
< 1347858204 676113 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my perspectives will change with me
< 1347858233 723936 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you are telling me you personally anticipate waking up one day and deciding you don't want to live the next day?
< 1347858285 537660 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish the immortals all the best
< 1347858290 402186 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i won't be joining them
< 1347858300 193846 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :as to your question... well.........
< 1347858319 685308 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I highly doubt you actually, genuinely believe this. You may well believe *that* you believe it.
< 1347858376 348426 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I doubt you will one day decide "y'know, I want to die", barring mental disorders (another bug in the human form, FWIW)
< 1347858397 306375 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait until the next world war.. 
< 1347858406 736044 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can all re-evaluate
< 1347858443 4691 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok sorry.. im going too far
< 1347858515 969065 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :to say that there is no point to living forever would not be really making the point strong enough
< 1347858693 191060 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why would there be no point to living forever?
< 1347858694 448915 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well.
< 1347858699 79720 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modulo heat death.
< 1347858712 786431 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heat death of the universe kinda does make living forever pointless.
< 1347858725 571553 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A universe actually devoid of everything is pointless.
< 1347858729 40218 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But before that?
< 1347858744 468644 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :back
< 1347858756 765671 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. its ok to die :)
< 1347858772 870248 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, regardless of how one can turn about and say how bout you die now
< 1347858784 808710 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not evil to die
< 1347858790 292408 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why should it be ok to erase a sentient being from existence?
< 1347858795 782280 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not a sin in any religion etc
< 1347858815 365206 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not evil to die, why is it universally frowned upon to cause death?
< 1347858816 578482 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :killing is different kettle of fish
< 1347858822 172439 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know why really :D
< 1347858824 981378 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, seriously, argument from religion?
< 1347858843 159636 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not immoral or unethical to die that i know of
< 1347858893 160507 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Religion would have you think the world was created by a benevolent and omnipotent being. A world where pain and suffering is typical of life.
< 1347859039 702979 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm.. i wonder if this notion of dying being subject to ethical judgement has its own movement
< 1347859056 933295 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it surely would.. im not even going to bother checking
< 1347859322 670470 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, can I ask why most religions are based in the concept that mortality *is in fact undesirable*? Religions themselves may not be true, but it certainly says much that they were mostly invented as ways of saying "no, you are immortal!"
< 1347859348 751623 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that what makes the most sense would be immortality, with the option of suicide.
< 1347859350 811256 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i am immortal, then that will take care of itself
< 1347859470 803043 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I can't imagine there being a limit to human creativity, and the things I can learn and understand, for.... a few million years at least?
< 1347859475 874608 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, certainly at least a few thousand
< 1347859497 403803 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... humans will probably stop being humans eventually
< 1347859498 233725 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: There's a whole lightcone to explore.
< 1347859533 228437 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :for better or worse, with or without space travel, assuming we are subject to evolutionary processes
< 1347859555 754700 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :we will probably change
< 1347859561 84151 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: We shape our reality much faster than evolution could.
< 1347859589 18419 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least we think we do :D
< 1347859608 204171 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have already created, in this conversation, more reality than evolution could in thousands of years.
< 1347859612 216822 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm.
< 1347859615 477295 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/reality/information/
< 1347859616 585739 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1347859659 565049 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my thoughts on efficiency are that basically, we need a clever dictator to make things efficient
< 1347859674 333089 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of relying on order from chaos 
< 1347859721 792776 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work economically though.. im not sure if having a dictator can help in that regard
< 1347859737 439178 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An omnipotent benevolent one, perhaps.
< 1347859742 837316 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Not that that's likely. :)
< 1347859759 727648 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you-- you will mine metals from underneath that rainforest
< 1347859771 813292 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you... you will build circuits out of those metals
< 1347859825 147274 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you... you will uh.. etc
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< 1347859942 738869 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. this dictator would make sure all plugs were compatible
< 1347859960 75021 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would be no regional data formats, no regional plug standards, no proprietry formats
< 1347860055 276897 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if this is not comfortable, then maybe efficiency itself is the problem
< 1347860182 250325 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would be no possessions, no rights, etc. simply people efficiently doing what the dictator says
< 1347860229 315098 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Friendly AI?
< 1347860252 214232 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess that would be just near-omniscient and extremely-potent
< 1347860266 766452 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Sufficient, IME.
< 1347860363 625544 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have experience with friendly AIs?
< 1347860365 538578 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the development of the png standard (i wonder how many 1000s of man hours involved in all the paperwork around png) is partially a workaround to gif
< 1347860401 229773 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so rather than... trying to make it more efficient to code work-arounds... it may be more efficient to eliminate workarounds
< 1347860487 293510 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, no, as none exist
< 1347860498 333023 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what did you mean by IME?
< 1347860507 517875 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: In my estimation.
< 1347860522 949467 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1347860532 331857 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used word wrong, sorry
< 1347860537 946426 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, in my system... tomorrow every piece of source code would be uploaded to a giant open source database
< 1347860554 149295 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be quite a mess.. im not sure how they would clean it up
< 1347860648 853193 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems inefficient for the collective source coding of humanity to have so much redundancy
< 1347860659 370933 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source code collection
< 1347860659 692762 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98
< 1347860668 553871 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol
< 1347860730 717770 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if given the choice, most would prefer to have access to the worlds source code rather than some kind of surgery
< 1347860739 151187 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :to increase their efficiency
< 1347860754 643190 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe thats oversimplifying it.. i don't know
< 1347861921 312313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dictatorship is certainly more efficient, but I do not think that necessarily makes it better than others.
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< 1347864173 466724 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that feeling like a worthless human being sucks
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< 1347865368 103121 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au NICK :itidus21
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< 1347865548 882942 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: these things that suck.. im starting to wonder if you are experiencing them
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< 1347865841 593108 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0
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< 1347878230 917996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to figure out how another program can detect these .NSF music is finished, by using cheat finder in VirtuaNES (VirtuaNES does allow the cheat finder to be used with NSFs too!)
< 1347878371 947988 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: although there is ps3, 3ds, wii, xbox360, modern pc, ps vita, i think NES is something beautiful. 
< 1347878384 719055 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is somehow sufficient
< 1347878427 660149 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it embodies a set of constraints for multimedia computer applications i think
< 1347878436 664615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like it is working. In three files I have tested so far (all made by the same person, using FamiTracker), $0211 is 1 while the music is playing and 0 when it stops, at least seem to.
< 1347878468 904437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I think they make modern systems way too complicated.
< 1347878497 58957 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, one thing modern systems are good for is using the NES more efficiently
< 1347878510 409501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible to make it useful and powerful without too much complicated, and that is one thing I intend to make.
< 1347878559 466216 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly we don't need any carts.. we can have the entire software library of nes as zip files or similar
< 1347878615 289793 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes and you can make your own, too. The difficulty is if you want to make custom mappers, but I am designing a file format which would allow that too.
< 1347878649 850654 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trouble with the custom stuff is theres no limits on it
< 1347878670 997001 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you could have an entire pc as part of the cartridge
< 1347878706 941591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you could, but it would be very complicated if you did that. Simple discrete logic would be simpler, and the mapper codes for such things would be smaller.
< 1347878743 417544 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :who am i kidding i dont quite know what mappers are or how they work etc..
< 1347878745 274281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DotFami format probably wouldn't even have commands to do such complicated things as an entire PC, anyways.
< 1347878815 534523 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not actually that interested in emulation.
< 1347878838 825322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DotFami only allows up to 256 components, although the individual components may be a bit complicated. I intend that it can represent all the iNES mappers, as well as NSF, and simple custom discrete logic mappers.
< 1347878850 854964 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :because trifling matters like needing a 3ghz machine to emulate a 25mhz snes or such seems completely absurd
< 1347879026 541245 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so theres things i want to do to nes roms which seems ridiculous to most.
< 1347879087 23966 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to rewrite a game's internals, but present the same end-user experience as an orginal nes rom
< 1347879186 375188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What example?
< 1347879230 616162 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have to concede to not knowing the exact nes palette
< 1347879236 206133 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such things
< 1347879308 685355 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but assuming an approximation of the nes palette, i would abandon the 6502 code and rewrite the graphics using calls to blit functions
< 1347879424 83575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not have an exact palette; instead, the high 2 bits specify the high and low voltage levels, and the low 4 bits specify the phase, and these are combined to make the color. Color $0x specifies a blacker than black level, so $0D is blacker than black and may mess up the display of some TV sets (use $1D for the proper black).
< 1347879486 174021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colors $20 and $30 are the same because $x0 uses the constant high level ($0x uses the constant low level), and $2x and $3x have the same high level.
< 1347879497 368630 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for sound, if the game had a finite set of sounds, i will store them in formats like .wav, .mp3, .midi
< 1347879530 573535 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. as for how the music on nes actually works... well....
< 1347879543 818693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could use .ogg .flac .it whatever. Or, use MIDI and have your own MIDI synthesizer.
< 1347879545 625368 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't know the best approach
< 1347879567 479146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how the music on NES works.
< 1347879574 189064 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goal would be to reproduce all the sounds in the game with maximum efficiency
< 1347879582 516906 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than trying to emulate
< 1347879716 785331 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm
< 1347879914 774667 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :... i think what i want is to replace the primary cpu aspect of NES with native pc code
< 1347879941 858594 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maintainng the constraints on sound, graphics and controller input
< 1347879995 292989 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :VGA becomes famicom FGA... for obvious reasons
< 1347880070 911986 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm
< 1347880130 863320 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i bought soft drink today
< 1347880194 722346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But liquids are (pretty much) incompressible! How does it work! 
< 1347880239 419211 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i explode a bomb inside the drink
< 1347880268 846438 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat like on some tv show
< 1347880273 329458 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not quite
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< 1347887804 815282 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all!
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< 1347892082 828629 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages?
< 1347892083 341138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today.
< 1347892085 933258 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/
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< 1347892096 872665 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : 
< 1347892102 508120 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellho atriq
< 1347892105 91855 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey
< 1347892159 880357 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1347892160 249979 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages.
< 1347892197 225197 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I've been thinking, is it possible to include '--' at all in a Maze program, without provoking an error?
< 1347892364 309459 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not familiar enough with Maze to answer
< 1347892385 406001 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Maze program are mazes
< 1347892404 898203 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where ## are walls, .. are "paths" where the cars can drive
< 1347892421 764129 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and '--' is supposed to "transform into a wall after a car has driven over it"
< 1347892425 551647 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1347892458 160769 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the thing is, cars are supposed to "guess" what way they are have to go, using only walls
< 1347892474 285666 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, they are not supposed to "need" instructions to tell them to turn)
< 1347892551 212866 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I had been assuming that any tile a car can drive over either contains an instruction to tell the car what to do (such as "go up"), or exactly two of the adjacent tiles are walls
< 1347892584 906114 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, of the four adjacent tiles, two are walls, one is the path the car comes from, and one the fourth is the path where the car must go
< 1347892610 373264 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't see how this count (2 walls + 2 paths) can be respected with '--'
< 1347892625 823530 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since -- is a path that becomes a wall
< 1347892645 882068 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and there are no "walls that become paths" to balance it)
< 1347892734 279612 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll write that on the talk page
< 1347893044 545893 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone 'round here have laptop recommendations btw
< 1347893056 667916 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not my one
< 1347893119 842562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted
< 1347893128 266996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i have a list of 3 laptops not to get
< 1347893133 151042 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've slightly damaged the screen
< 1347893138 519233 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well
< 1347893143 784349 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The screen itself is fine
< 1347893148 909885 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The right hinge, though...
< 1347893165 727974 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly qualifies as a lethal bladed weapon
< 1347893313 545529 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it qualify as a folding knife
< 1347893332 660235 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No
< 1347893353 874342 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More a tiny knife with a sheaf attached to the handle
< 1347893363 922592 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the handle and sheaf are huge and work as a computer
< 1347893454 41894 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a widescreen
< 1347893881 420385 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1347895393 695729 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PART :#esoteric
< 1347895434 218660 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347896060 335373 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Works best in Safari/Chrome" is not a feature.
< 1347896073 266473 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a problem.
< 1347897189 905695 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347897253 965754 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347897840 757600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347897842 169581 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
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< 1347899492 473371 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could run a mile...
< 1347899546 462069 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm
< 1347899569 510030 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Maps thinks that if I run a mile I'd end up at the Fox
< 1347899826 345235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the Fox? 
< 1347899836 595167 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pub
< 1347899839 235312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And doesn't it kind of depend which direction you run to? 
< 1347899843 306427 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1347899906 510401 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ran the other way, I'd end up about half way to Dilston
< 1347899932 585414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could run a mile southeast and end up at a (horse) race track.
< 1347900020 795974 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de
< 1347900140 123913 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-114.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left
< 1347900143 248026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a bit over a mile to the west to end up at the local Mormon chruch temple.
< 1347900407 26431 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I don't drink, and I'm too young to buy alcohol
< 1347900560 232491 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So running to the pub would be a tad useless
< 1347900569 781657 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a shame. you can't hitchhike vogon ships if you haven't  had the proper amount of beer from a pub just before!
< 1347900697 411494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The temple is only open to members, so running there would be quite useless too.
< 1347901090 387130 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant
< 1347901701 957346 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347901829 986830 :JaBoJa!~JaBoJa@erx234.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347902513 556003 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen
< 1347902647 401273 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347903828 608606 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347903833 21162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm sure they'd be quite happy to consider your application
< 1347903886 657984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, they seemed to have quite a lot of requirements.
< 1347903964 462600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even enough to be a member, you need some kind of a "Temple Recommend".
< 1347904012 305996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_(LDS_Church)#Entrance_requirements and especially the "Worthiness interview" list.
< 1347904024 735111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1347904081 954264 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347904213 659576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did have that "Open House" thing when it was built recently-ish, I remember seeing something about that.
< 1347904251 594552 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C6B3.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347904257 118542 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C6B3.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello
< 1347904289 114690 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey
< 1347904295 652475 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347904458 690780 :JaBoJa!~JaBoJa@erx234.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PART #esoteric :"Leaving"
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< 1347905661 272877 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347905702 243664 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :[]{}\|-_`^
< 1347905757 312136 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :nortti
< 1347906063 972713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cheat finder is not only for cheating, isn't it?
< 1347906895 23824 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347907747 275135 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds
< 1347907776 566926 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C6B3.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving.
< 1347907862 256795 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347908311 678721 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: WorldsPlayer requires JRE6. JRE7 won't work
< 1347908488 322949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's news you can use
< 1347908795 902862 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347909244 513540 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347909897 509579 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be useful for Phantom_Hoover if he ever decides to join us to see what the fuss was about
< 1347909989 646426 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-157.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347910086 306480 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-157.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1347910203 679887 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-157.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1347910322 642399 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why?
< 1347910332 763426 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right.
< 1347910337 769899 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worlds.
< 1347910337 788539 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing.
< 1347910365 505743 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god no, I don't want to get sucked into your weird nightmare.
< 1347910709 837291 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of it isn't a nightmare
< 1347910725 795164 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, there's a world somewhere with a tardis, it's kind of fun
< 1347910913 874102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but what if I end up in a nightmare??
< 1347911014 676789 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1347911111 70367 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347911507 587438 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347911960 841858 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you can always just stick to the Worlds.com worlds, the only nightmare there is BowieWorld
< 1347912003 66394 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and BlackHillsForest and BurkittsvilleDinner
< 1347912014 919845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_>
< 1347912022 155390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No good! How can I feel safe unless there's someone manning the walls between the safety of worlds.com and the nightmares?
< 1347912042 861721 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that you just listed three nightmares that are within this supposed haven does not fill me with confidence.
< 1347912088 991192 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, aren't BlackHillsForest and BurkittsvilelDinner named after/promotion materials for horror films?
< 1347912098 47030 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if you see anything named after a horror film, just avoid it
< 1347912102 541022 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Bowie.
< 1347912116 692650 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bowie is a horror film
< 1347912128 725574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we haven't realised, but we're living in one.
< 1347912153 898754 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the basement in AnimalHouse.
< 1347912172 31701 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which connects to the bathroom stalls of I forget which, it's like a Club)
< 1347912209 719080 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything in WorldsCenter except possibly FunHouse is safe.
< 1347912252 953289 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I do emphasize the "possibly"
< 1347912261 139303 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more weird and colorful than anything scary.
< 1347912323 495988 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B131161.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347912339 697722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so I'm safe in worlds.com unless I visit any of the places that aren't safe, and I'm definitely safe in worldscentre unless I visit the unsafe place.
< 1347912355 583609 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo this is not reassuring
< 1347912430 476826 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one possibly unsafe place is marked as "VIP", which is only for paying people (although there are ways around that, and you start off with a free trial. But still, it's market)
< 1347912432 376514 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*marked
< 1347912440 834494 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think it's the only such entire pod in WorldsCenter
< 1347912449 7583 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should note that WorldsCenter is relatively boring
< 1347912496 59257 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This user-made tower may be safe and interesting, I think
< 1347912535 830772 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe. But the portals means you can see into each room and decide if you want to explore it or not.
< 1347912568 34861 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... I'm safe if I do only the most boring things.
< 1347912616 456572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ubiquitous boredom/safety tradeoff.
< 1347912658 644844 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the default world, GroundZero, is safe, unless you deliberately walk through a solid wall.
< 1347912663 662751 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't do it by accident.
< 1347912711 478951 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's through the wall
< 1347912723 85416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I sometimes have trouble walking through solid walls even purposefully.
< 1347912780 209355 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much until you walk too far and when you do you're put into a green cave.
< 1347912811 942916 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am working under the assumption that you are scared to death by green caves.
< 1347912873 628861 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, helpful tip: don't do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAOooKkWp4w
< 1347913005 472075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Green cave" is some kind of a slang term for something unspeakable, right? 
< 1347913008 700961 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an Escher tribute in the tower.
< 1347913020 904428 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very clearly marked as an Escher tribute
< 1347913162 744692 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go ahead and call the tower "safe"
< 1347913164 747064 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird, but safe.
< 1347913173 273784 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although funhouse is probably safer
< 1347913212 984070 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Skypod in WorldsCenter isn't safe if you're scared of heights.
< 1347913230 675883 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't actually fall though, there are invisible walls.
< 1347913338 263721 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there's a user-made world called "LSD Dream Emulator"
< 1347913371 868420 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's based off a PS game called "LSD: Dream Emulator"
< 1347913443 259380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually extrodinarily boring.
< 1347913468 179942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1347913519 278279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw a reference to that somewhere recently.
< 1347913569 192042 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that staring at goats movie is funny
< 1347913578 114943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel kinda ill when I see graphical glitches in computer games and such. (Also scared of encountering them in real life.) I wonder if this is common? 
< 1347913609 616577 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it's even funnier if you read the book and know which parts are actually completely true.
< 1347913610 887894 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphical glitches in real life would be properly scary
< 1347913620 790863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. everything that isn't actually part of the plot)
< 1347913624 327133 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh, is any of it true at all?
< 1347913637 872613 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think I was supposed to do something, I cheated and now things got weird.
< 1347913645 721950 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, in that case, WorldsPlayer is not for you.
< 1347913651 549661 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things get weird sometimes.
< 1347913667 82021 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I'd honestly be hard-pressed to remember any of the crazy psy-ops stunts that weren't.
< 1347913700 277620 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The characters are largely fictionalised and frequently made from 2 or 3 amalgamated real people, but the experiments and everything were all real.
< 1347913705 197125 :yiyus!~124271242@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347913763 150380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes, but when I see them in a computer, I get the feeling that it's only a matter of time there'll be some out of it, too.
< 1347913795 106300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what kind of glitches are we talking?
< 1347913815 172628 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're seeing dead pixels you should see an optician, they can fix that.
< 1347913840 579316 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maiko Girls Come Come Everybody.
< 1347913848 907855 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^the name of an object in this World.
< 1347913854 991194 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sometimes when I'm watching things full screen on the monitor I'll try to make them even more full screen (full field of vision?)
< 1347913878 179852 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347913882 607535 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but alas, the other setting is windowed
< 1347913910 97090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Just, you know, generally. Things clipping through other things, or deforming grotesquely because of some kind of model mishap.
< 1347913972 932563 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that book is now on my list of things to read
< 1347914020 151811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or physics problems, things moving awfully fast or weirdly.
< 1347914055 504217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, would weird geometry count?
< 1347914092 716844 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You go down a hall, turn right, go down hall, turn right, go down hall, turn right, go down hall, turn right, you're nowhere near where you started
< 1347914123 411098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a glitch, though.
< 1347914128 170989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about that. It doesn't sound as bad.
< 1347914142 545371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You only ever get that when it's deliberate.
< 1347914199 640247 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think the only "scary" place in BowieWorld is the Garden.
< 1347914214 576010 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bunch of disembodied hands that say weird things and fly up when you click them
< 1347914251 963918 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1347914263 729541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is it just me that had real trouble handling the frankenturrets in Portal 2? 
< 1347914280 305495 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gyaaagh, those things.
< 1347914289 183356 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had my skin crawling, seriously.
< 1347914351 261538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad it wasn't just me.
< 1347914399 212917 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the noise, they made, I remember that was particularly awful.
< 1347914413 464295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always had to throw them far away from me when letting go.
< 1347914484 334677 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rather easy to walk through walls in Worlds, but also something that needs to be done deliberalely.
< 1347914497 153340 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the weirder things in the Worlds.com worlds only occur to people who walk through walls
< 1347914502 118896 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people seem to think frankenturrets are cute
< 1347914525 361800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: There are all kinds of freako-sickos in the world, certainly.
< 1347914530 933388 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, there are always deviants!
< 1347914559 143019 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example: In AnimalHouse, if you venture onto the street from the front yard, you may be attacked by floating eyeballs, and end up in an attic.
< 1347914570 833945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The developer commentary notes their withdrawing into a cube was initially just to make them be cubical when picked up, but it was so cute they added shaking animations and wide-eyed reactions to the turret to make the player sympathize with their plight."
< 1347914575 886781 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the front yard is fenced in, can't get to the street from the front yard by walking normally.
< 1347914602 274374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sympathize all right, but I was even more creeped out and tried to have as little to do with them as possible.
< 1347914637 849156 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The eyeballs got me.
< 1347914649 382655 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you're sure you don't want to get floating eyeballs to attack you?
< 1347914668 123587 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, this attic has the Venus de Milo
< 1347914685 436228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of the nightmare-free zones?
< 1347914717 871456 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no. But you only see the nightmare if you walk through a wall, or a different nightmare if you head into the basement.
< 1347914746 930208 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And basement isn't that much of a nightmare, it's just creepy red with weird geometry.
< 1347914774 903002 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one part of it where you may end up seeing yourself.
< 1347914984 656399 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, just to be sure of something: You don't consider Brittney Spears to be scary, do you? Because there's a Brittney Spears world.
< 1347915513 343941 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are definitely interesting non-scary places to explore
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< 1347917468 834594 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a class in worlds.jar called ArmyOfZombies.
< 1347917561 482184 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should've obfuscated
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< 1347919051 763638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CEO and the chief technical architect just locked themselves in a conference room for an hour to figure out... what kind of trash cans to buy
< 1347919089 170339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@arr chitect
< 1347919089 555264 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drink up, me 'earties
< 1347919216 667395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Someone mentioned https://csawctf.poly.edu/ in another channel.
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< 1347922983 401094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yeah, we've pondered creating a /usr/bin/python\r -> python symlink"
< 1347922995 739252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah.
< 1347923077 271646 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D
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< 1347925644 253007 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, does a Halloween-themed theme part count as a nightmare?
< 1347925653 807595 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1347925659 747498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by default
< 1347925680 962472 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I should note that there are clowns.
< 1347925755 565637 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rides appear to move your camera, leaving your body behind.
< 1347926104 228021 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think web dev is secretly a great field for programming language nerds
< 1347926226 141766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FP techniques are widely accepted in Javascript, largely because they're the only way to abstract and stay sane
< 1347926243 806404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and metaprogramming is also widely accepted, even if the forms it takes are somewhat nasty
< 1347926266 268471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the typical web project has code in a number of languages, so it's an easier sell to introduce one more
< 1347926276 115393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to "this is a Java shop, why are you even considering using something that isn't Java"
< 1347926292 215365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript is not really such a bad programming language, but its use with web pages is pretty bad in my opinion.
< 1347926320 986002 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, this water ride cuts through FunHouse
< 1347926340 924959 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And goes inside a shark
< 1347926342 435566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use whatever language you like on the backend
< 1347926363 96169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are a lot of DSL-like things
< 1347926426 828668 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's a bit at the end where it takes you into a "spooky" room
< 1347926433 482042 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the flipside of web dev is that the reason you can get away with all that is because you will be told, "this must be done in 2 weeks, we didn't spec it properly, we're already over budget, so we don't care how you make it work, just do it"
< 1347926455 418202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that really depends on the company
< 1347926591 433394 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, there's a lot of variance
< 1347926647 299672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure it's more common with web dev than other areas of programming
< 1347926650 777302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have the experience to know
< 1347926673 489416 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erx234.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347926768 162113 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think web dev is the most publicly visible (to non-technical people) segment of programming, and that tends to attract a whole lot of people and money who are utterly disinterested in technical details. If you have a spot at a good firm, it's fine, but if you're trying to freelance, there's a LOT of low-end work to wade through.
< 1347926800 220711 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i am not talking about freelancing
< 1347926855 989416 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we're going to say "it's a great field for language nerds if you're at a good firm"... well, that could apply to any field
< 1347926861 734534 :JaBoJa|2!~kvirc@erx234.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347926867 359410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really
< 1347926892 862474 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a great embedded systems company might be a great place to work, but you won't get to use much of anything other than C
< 1347926903 372040 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATS?
< 1347926909 10069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looooooooool
< 1347926922 800042 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, with some exceptions
< 1347926950 697630 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're writing video games or word processors or music sequencer apps, there's no reason you couldn't do so in <favorite language> if you were at an enlightened firm
< 1347926961 933064 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm saying web developers have greater freedom to choose language, and also better "typical" languages, than (say) kernel programmers, high-frequency traders, or enterprise business software developers
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< 1347927006 338597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that C is a bad language for kernel development (that's a different argument anyway), but it doesn't scratch that PL nerd itch
< 1347927010 950774 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I'm biased, since I'm a web developer who has been trying to convince people to do a project in Lisp for the better part of a decade now :) 
< 1347927044 458115 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1347927060 85061 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reply is always: "Sure, Lisp is cool and all, but if you get hit by a bus, who will pick up where you left off? Do it in Rails and we can find 5 million people tomorrow."
< 1347927079 228551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure
< 1347927081 475075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a valid argument
< 1347927117 92009 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few tiers down from that, there's a whole mass of "let's hire overseas programmers to do it in PHP for $15 an hour" web dev
< 1347927117 815175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you still get to use ruby, javascript, and maybe C++, every day if you like
< 1347927122 800076 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :another variant of that argument might be, but if you start being annoying who will replace you when we fire you?
< 1347927152 395916 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe "start being annoying" is wrong
< 1347927153 575631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/cperciva/status/247848282880106496
< 1347927164 156345 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: well, no business should have a single point of failure. I agree with the principle.
< 1347927185 54387 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :kwertii: anyway i don't care about your employers >:)
< 1347927221 331060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some businesses inevitably have a single point of failure
< 1347927224 197907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :startups have many
< 1347927238 567678 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: wasn't asking you to care, not sure where you're going with that 
< 1347927269 366907 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: of course. and the process of developing the business should include reducing the single points of failure to the greatest extent possible, to minimize risk for all involved
< 1347927304 110447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and no
< 1347927316 672327 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: There are a few enlightened people in high freq trading. One I can think of off the top of my head, Jane Street Capital, works mainly in OCaml
< 1347927319 111993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by starting a company or joining a startup, you are deliberately taking on risk
< 1347927341 371416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not comfortable calling the people who use the languages i like more "enlightened"
< 1347927354 901784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is about flexibility, not about one language over another
< 1347927376 471027 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever you want to call it :)
< 1347927395 660486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the most popular language in web dev is also one of the worst languages to ever become popular
< 1347927457 531892 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :taking on risk is inevitable, but there are many degrees of risk. a company built around <obscure language> is a lot riskier than a company built around C, PHP, or Ruby, all else being the same. it's just much harder to find staff who can comprehend obscure languages.
< 1347927486 874277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need to convince me of that
< 1347927509 645104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point about risk was a tangent from the PL discussion, i did not mean to imply that you should use the most obscure language for your startup
< 1347927523 14073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there are some benefits to using a somewhat obscure language, though, as paul graham pointed out)
< 1347927535 429320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dude's kind of a blowhard but he makes some good points from time to time)
< 1347927573 623929 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :if PG were right, there'd be a lot more startups built on Lisp, and there'd be VC firms specializing in Lisp. it seems that language choice is a rather minor factor in the massive number of variables that go into a startup, though.
< 1347927584 33982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with that too
< 1347927600 510712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about http://paulgraham.com/pypar.html
< 1347927613 257892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not about lisp circa 2012 but about python circa 2004
< 1347927622 20782 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I've read it, and most of the other pg essays
< 1347927625 42467 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has a point
< 1347927672 845286 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was referring to the other essay where he talks about what a huge competitive advantage it was to be using Common Lisp at ViaWeb in the 90s
< 1347927691 730053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that is massively over-fitted
< 1347927716 420639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure that Lisp is a competitive advantage over vintage C++ for web dev
< 1347927737 360734 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that it could be painful for someone who can code in lisp well to be forced to code in c
< 1347927756 995376 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and be daydreaming about what it would be like if they could use lisp
< 1347927774 127169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i think he is extrapolating too much from a success in a very early stage of the web
< 1347927786 688146 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd love to have the resources to start a web shop on CL or Clojure. The average quality level of the programmers is much higher, as per the python essay. But it's much, much harder to scale. You (apparently) get a better return on capital with 100 mid-skill Ruby programmers than you'd get from the 40 Lisp programmers you could hire for that money. 
< 1347927797 545221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically there were no good web dev languages at the time, and he kinda hacked one together in lisp (er, "on lisp"? ;)
< 1347927811 268024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today there are many cood web dev languages, ergo no need for Lisp in particular
< 1347927815 454610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :many good*
< 1347927831 192628 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus it'll take you years to find 40 Lisp programmers, but you can get 100 mediocre Ruby programmers in a few months
< 1347927862 805811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think choosing Python for a company in 2004 would have been a really good idea
< 1347927872 707050 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just because it was semi-obscure -- but because it became much popular within a few years
< 1347927877 204974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the have your cake and eat it too scenario
< 1347927894 625610 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I'm thinking / hoping for Clojure over the next few years
< 1347927916 977169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you start out with the high quality programmers, and then by the time you need to scale you can do so
< 1347927929 956595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously this is tricky to time ;)
< 1347928054 835838 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp is older than c right?
< 1347928057 973169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1347928087 772089 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :of still-used languages, only FORTRAN is older (if you're not counting assembly as a language)
< 1347928099 846962 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet, lisp remains obscure
< 1347928117 640662 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :even assembly is less obscure
< 1347928128 474682 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(guessing :P )
< 1347928166 839444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of people learn a little tiny bit of "lisp"
< 1347928171 75721 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :few use it for any real projects, though
< 1347928215 159735 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe modern computer power will help
< 1347928226 648643 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure (a Lisp for the JVM) is starting to become popular
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< 1347928315 835575 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the issue is that most programmers can't grasp what makes Lisp different from other languages. they just think it's an imperative language with a funny parentheses based syntax. so they say, "eh, so what" and move on.
< 1347928327 102674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1347928333 682981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it annoys me to no end how people can't get past the parentheses
< 1347928341 2964 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the range of libraries available for Common Lisp and Scheme has been quite poor compared to (say) Java or C. 
< 1347928358 955853 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe when enough time passes, someone will write a book to guide peopel
< 1347928362 465558 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CL community is openly hostile to newcomers, which doesn't help.
< 1347928366 662526 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp hasnt been around long enough
< 1347928378 830130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the advocates of lisp focus way too much on syntax (omg Lisp has none!)
< 1347928381 367199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a lie btw
< 1347928389 892582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every special form constitutes syntax
< 1347928413 426422 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it (let ((x 3) (y 4)) ...) or (let (x 3 y 4) ...)?  well, CL and Scheme differ on this point, and that is a syntactic difference
< 1347928422 60074 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, open hostility to newcomers... now this seems to be more likely part of the cause for lisp obscurity.. maybe they enjoy obscurity
< 1347928460 411899 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think a world in which lisp was coopted by the mainstream would be much fun for anyone
< 1347928465 369771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is it foo(name=blah, contents=blam) or foo(title=blah, body=blam)?
< 1347928484 441730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Library X and library Y in Python differ on that, and that's a syntactic difference.
< 1347928492 589701 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo(name(blah) (contents(blah)))
< 1347928496 852401 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: in that sense, every macro you write introduces new syntax. I think the point of the "no syntax" argument is rather that everything is an S-expression
< 1347928498 680492 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno... i dont know lisp
< 1347928501 714058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway that's a silly argument.
< 1347928525 993107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can define syntax in a way that lisp has a lot of it, or not a lot of it, and it won't change anything about lisp.
< 1347928535 681840 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: as opposed to the 20-odd special syntax arrangements in Algol-derived languages - foo + bar; versus foo++; versus foo(bar); etc
< 1347928554 93624 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kwertii: sure but S-expressions are only one of the layers of what i'd call syntax
< 1347928569 90598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if Lisp is only S-expressions then Lisp is only a data language (like XML) and not a programming language
< 1347928576 511960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to say what the token 'defun' means and what the token 'let' means and such
< 1347928579 559629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway
< 1347928580 405389 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'd call those things you mentioned "semantics" rather than syntax
< 1347928580 687145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is right of course
< 1347928600 222239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see i think the difference between (let ((x 3) (y 4)) ...) and (let (x 3 y 4) ...) is obviously a syntactic one
< 1347928671 91620 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: totally semantics. the syntax of both is just atoms and lists.
< 1347928695 692602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an arbitrary difference of opinion
< 1347928696 136149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The syntax of booth "foo + bar" and "foo++" is just characters!
< 1347928732 674759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1347928740 302438 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's arbitrary in some sense, but these terms have been kind of well defined in linguistics and comp sci already
< 1347928746 753163 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :though you're right, the line is not always clear
< 1347928760 542657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, but many computer scientists include abstract syntax in the definition of syntax
< 1347928776 258663 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, and that's why you need ridiculously complicated parsers to tokenize a language like that and make ... an S-tree graph out of it
< 1347928785 830396 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s-exp tree
< 1347928802 735266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kwertii: I think "C syntax -> AST" is a much simpler transformation than "AST -> optimized machine code"
< 1347928869 297743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway this is a silly argument, like I said.
< 1347928871 558079 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :point is, C/whatever-language syntax is just a set of transformations on an s-exp tree. if you call those transformations "the syntax of C", then you can see where people come up with "Lisp has no syntax" (which isn't strictly true, but that's where it comes from)
< 1347928886 28590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all just functions on the natural numbers
< 1347928890 158340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to say that lisp "has no syntax", fine. If you want to say that it "has syntax", fine.
< 1347928913 501910 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i want to say it has syntax and syntax?
< 1347928924 206914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say that too, itidus21.
< 1347928932 779910 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks
< 1347928937 680204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 has a special exemption such that he/she/it can say whatever he/she/it wants.
< 1347928945 594045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would say that Lisp has three layers of syntax where most languages have two (lexical and parse tree)
< 1347928960 306859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should dedicate his life to the noble cause of converting arguments about words to either nothing or arguments about meaning.
< 1347928976 935698 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, people like syntax to be something static, and reserve "semantics" for runtime behavior
< 1347929000 885796 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I know that CL does have some notion of compile time versus run time
< 1347929035 55420 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you plan to get a philosophy degree? :)
< 1347929046 823339 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have one. it's not worth the trouble
< 1347929053 801032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems weird to say that we have no idea whether we should write (let ((x 3)) ...) or (let (x 3) ...) until runtime
< 1347929069 192401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kwertii: Philosophists spend way too much time arguing about things that aren't meaning. :-(
< 1347929079 584643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think everything is really arguments about words
< 1347929085 389136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorrychaf
< 1347929088 377400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kwertii: Raymond Smullyan is a good philosophist, though.
< 1347929095 255676 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: they spend plenty of time bickering over trivial distinctions of meaning between obscure technical terms that only 50 people in the entire world care about.
< 1347929100 28005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote formalist
< 1347929100 355870 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SaulGorn says: A formalist is one who cannot understand a theory unless it is meaningless.
< 1347929115 384550 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I love Raymond Smullyan! Never met anyone who's heard of him, though, and Taoism is laughed out of the room in most academic phil depts in the US.
< 1347929126 81238 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i downloaded some of his books
< 1347929128 365776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you have met at least two of us
< 1347929129 501768 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :three!
< 1347929131 925340 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :havent e-read any of them
< 1347929139 824410 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found him on the wiki page of american taoists
< 1347929141 241986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kwertii: I don't care for philosophy departments much.
< 1347929152 694047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Have you heard of Raymond Smullyan from a source other than me?
< 1347929154 822293 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: me, neither. thus, I work as a programmer rather than in a phil dept
< 1347929164 735666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, from _The Mind's I_
< 1347929168 208683 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i think i forgot the name
< 1347929173 868631 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, yes.
< 1347929178 95367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_The Mind's I_ is good.
< 1347929184 89138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially the Raymond Smullyan parts. :-)
< 1347929186 624757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And also other parts.)
< 1347929245 703499 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oi49.tinypic.com/35i0p5s.jpg
< 1347929256 928000 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is my (unread) smullyan books 
< 1347929260 488343 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta go out now bye
< 1347929268 927960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ttyl
< 1347929282 527465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should read some of Smullyan's books!
< 1347929294 8131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably
< 1347929295 989876 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suck at reading
< 1347929309 53817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smullyan's books are so much fun to read, though.
< 1347930247 878111 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worlds stores a file with a silly encryption system
< 1347930260 601529 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, admittedly, I only broke it with a Java decompiler
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< 1347931020 327349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION high fives Sgeo
< 1347931034 676964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love breaking silly encryption with a java decompiler
< 1347931045 578217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :420 break silly encryption with a java decompiler every day
< 1347931730 572986 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, just reading what the algorithm is
< 1347931744 711959 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I guess makes it not really encryption
< 1347931753 159307 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More of ... an obfuscation
< 1347931760 999038 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no key.
< 1347932040 439584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1347932054 171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how i cheated at yahoo games poker in high school
< 1347932427 369713 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, did you get arrested
< 1347932472 791393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kid, we only got one question. Have you ever been arrested?
< 1347932587 576631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1347932593 210862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not real money :/
< 1347932602 727235 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trollcoins only
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< 1347938811 496078 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :another interesting american taoist on the wiki page was ursula something, who wrote some books the earthsea something
< 1347939026 179484 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^wikipedia
< 1347939450 132722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :very specific
< 1347939470 757393 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^en.wikipedia
< 1347940258 284912 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347940805 144698 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how I feel about ClojureScript macros being Clojure
< 1347940817 753939 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of weird, having one language at runtime and a different at compile-time
< 1347940820 637102 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sort of un-lispy
< 1347941614 897685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347942242 350887 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF
< 1347942256 963647 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This class provides a public static... I guess factory is the best term.
< 1347942258 974702 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overloads it
< 1347942269 105064 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But one of the overloads just throws an exception
< 1347942284 295144 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no, I misread ut
< 1347942284 956272 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it
< 1347942425 361369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme also has one language at runtime and another for macros, sort of
< 1347942446 764379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has several languages for macros, and you can use regular scheme in a cumbersome way
< 1347942800 132028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has several languages for macros?
< 1347943157 211795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax-rules and syntax-case
< 1347943195 469191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think syntax-case is not in r5rs, but is commonly implemented and there is a portable implementation of it
< 1347943198 542053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something
< 1347943397 134470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it called if an assembler (which includes macros) has a section which can compile code into memory and then it is executed by an emulator before (or while) the output file of the section for file output is written?
< 1347943480 759632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called madness
< 1347943498 162849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madness?
< 1347943499 14303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :emulator alligator
< 1347943528 510120 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I madness?
< 1347943563 661623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mad, call I it; for, to define true madness, what is't but to be nothing else but mad?
< 1347943626 285929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an area of the mind that could be called unsane, beyond sanity, and yet not insane. Think of a circle with a fine split in it. At one end there's insanity. You go around the circle to sanity, and on the other end of the circle, close to insanity, but not insanity, is unsanity.
< 1347943667 484573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have read of a "pathocircle" which is a circle with one point missing
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< 1347947480 313755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You say assembler like that is madness? Well, the assembler I use to write Famicom programs is like that. So, perhaps it is madness, too.
< 1347947734 90553 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Did you write said Famicom assembler?
< 1347947776 835966 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be a unique feature in an assembler, I think.
< 1347948046 617753 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact, on May 1st 2012, Sweden made http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4-HO-MET illegal.
< 1347948101 905628 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also probably illegal under the US Federal Analog Act, when bought or sold for human consumption.
< 1347948115 103854 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not any international law.
< 1347948341 683712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took that once
< 1347948351 985089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It is MagicKit assembler, although I have added various features and fixed various bugs, including that one I mentioned above. I also added macros to check if it is on the first or last pass, and some other things too.
< 1347948559 431497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore my program is "Unofficial MagicKit".
< 1347948684 248483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also was thinking about custom mappers.
< 1347948691 89800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc was taking 4-HO-MET before it was illegal.
< 1347948701 906177 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeppppp
< 1347948752 796056 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: ooc, why do you mention 4-HO-MET?
< 1347948815 660958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One feature I have added is NES 2.0 headers. Someone wanted me to make NES 2.0 headers the default, but I don't want to.
< 1347948869 571451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: have you seen http://ugcs.net/~keegan/complexity.html
< 1347949055 351820 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Features I intend to add but not yet have done so, are UNIF format, DotFami format, character encoding translation tables, and a few other things.
< 1347949152 721566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: When does a drug stop being experimental?
< 1347949169 641316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow.
< 1347949310 841122 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an idea in the Dungeons&Dragons game. Some assassins try to kill me, and I have a correspond spell to communicate with anyone regardless of distance, so I have idea: During the day time when it is light, I can use this spell to tell them it is dark.
< 1347949434 433022 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this?
< 1347949570 364518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you know it is the 40th birthday of BART?
< 1347949575 889187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are banners up at stations and everything
< 1347949585 808701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the system actually opened on 9/11/1972 but i guess they wanted to avoid that date
< 1347949629 461872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My cjb.net account seems broken
< 1347949732 510389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think my account expired but now I don't know how to create an account.
< 1347949779 70135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Nope, haven't been to SF in a while.
< 1347950137 994832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess EPA is pretty far from the end of BART
< 1347950228 380461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep.
< 1347950231 745913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Millbrae, I guess.
< 1347950266 781315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way I usually get to SFO is Caltrain to Millbrae and then BART.
< 1347950327 552333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah
< 1347950338 452411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SFO BART is ridiculous
< 1347950354 344915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have just extended the SFO people mover to Milbrae
< 1347950446 660027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using big money airport tax funds to do so
< 1347950482 625663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they should extend PATH to Newark Airport
< 1347950511 918006 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No I haven't. have you read TiHKAL?
< 1347950517 548940 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that link?
< 1347950535 142852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the link is a quiz "Complexity class or experimental drug"
< 1347950541 437807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have read PiHKAL and parts of TiHKAL i think
< 1347950572 554753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was thinking TiHKAL was a CS book.
< 1347950574 245891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like TAPL.
< 1347950581 266445 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe
< 1347950583 342825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is clearly not very good at that quiz.
< 1347950583 361257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see
< 1347950601 39346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Types in Higher-Kinded Algebraic Logic
< 1347950636 409323 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: tell who it is dark, the assassins?
< 1347951046 269149 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:42 < kmc> the link is a quiz "Complexity class or experimental drug"
< 1347951049 262698 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol'd
< 1347951075 408071 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: my god
< 1347951087 101613 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which doesn't actually exist)
< 1347951112 666196 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christian upgringing. it's in the lexicon.
< 1347951126 541927 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :((??))
< 1347951200 973863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Yes.
< 1347951499 338419 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but what if they don't believe you
< 1347951566 110607 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :d
< 1347951706 292223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought of that too
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< 1347952368 585323 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay
< 1347953907 947533 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric
< 1347954013 366580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Account creation on cjb.net seems disabled, so I asked someone else to make a subdomain of one of theirs; they cannot do so, so instead we made up a new domain name: zzo38computer.org
< 1347954387 483252 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i miss writing html
< 1347954408 988615 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least outputting html
< 1347954415 868457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely write HTML
< 1347954432 553489 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a wonderful thing
< 1347954442 709492 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost anyone could do it
< 1347954513 153405 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I like Hiccup
< 1347954595 90109 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :<html><head><title>This Is My Post

I don't know hiccup.


< 1347954638 719094 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you just feel trolled when you see html code? < 1347954704 378077 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like theres something evil about posting it < 1347954710 240516 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(html [:html [:head [:title "This Is My Post]] [:body {:bgcolor "#FFFFFF"} [:h1 "I do know Hiccup."] [:br] [:img {:src "shrug.jpg}]]]) < 1347954730 266082 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(comment "I only think that's correct, I do not know for certain < 1347954734 804931 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :") < 1347954739 938633 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, forgot to close a string < 1347954746 972377 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(html [:html [:head [:title "This Is My Post]] [:body {:bgcolor "#FFFFFF"} [:h1 "I do know Hiccup."] [:br] [:img {:src "shrug.jpg"}]]]) < 1347954764 25510 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(html [:html [:head [:title "This Is My Post"]] [:body {:bgcolor "#FFFFFF"} [:h1 "I do know Hiccup."] [:br] [:img {:src "shrug.jpg"}]]]) < 1347955072 953162 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, ok, so I don't know hiccup that well < 1347955099 780294 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That img could be replaced with (image "shrug.jpg") < 1347955387 339531 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1347955397 801399 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee < 1347955566 659808 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME UnknownCharacter < 1347955578 211069 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNKNOWNCHARACTER: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1347955615 219225 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just passing by < 1347955621 457417 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thanks for welcoming me < 1347955624 562213 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh its just a bot command < 1347955640 823110 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes for grandoise welcomings < 1347955643 59866 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, fuck u then < 1347955682 444296 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :srory < 1347955685 450474 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^sorry < 1347955695 221472 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sorry, 2 < 1347955712 841111 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's make out to make up only if u r a hot girl < 1347955726 507868 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure if there are any girls here < 1347955740 348509 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's lymia, or did she leave < 1347955742 452319 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let alone hot ones < 1347955744 58159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she hasn't talked in a while < 1347955760 702408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was tiffany but we successfully scared her off < 1347955774 65132 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love girls whose names start with t < 1347955845 6158 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at any rate < 1347955855 922239 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i came here to tell you all a story < 1347955879 958966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on... < 1347955919 343630 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a story about how i fell in love... and a few years later died in a pool of blood and tears < 1347955985 411769 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1347955988 338842 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, im dead but my spirit remained. somehow I am able to chat through the internet. < 1347955988 532401 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must be nice < 1347956017 741504 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was nice at the beginning. All the promises, the innocense, the freedom. < 1347956047 273867 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that all changed one fated stormy night. < 1347956076 448810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the beginning of being dead or the beginning of being in love < 1347956092 851849 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of being in love < 1347956116 313290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1347956198 296278 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found out that she didn't love me anymore. That she never really did. Confused and without any desire to do anything but let out the blackest of emotions out of my heart. < 1347956210 28722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you kill her then < 1347956215 804516 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I broke mind, spirit, soul < 1347956259 925275 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :she had broken my heart... < 1347956296 925840 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway anyway skip to the blood and tears < 1347956321 516546 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i was crying already. < 1347956335 470164 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so who stabbed whom < 1347956340 320960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you both stab each other < 1347956357 251016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1347956362 610937 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the rain covering my tears... i sat down on some stairs leading to a parking lot < 1347956379 449319 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you type a bit faster please < 1347956380 244364 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i wondered why this all happened. < 1347956390 173763 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm getting bored between messages < 1347956398 754553 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont rush me, emotions cant be rushed < 1347956408 128620 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but typing can < 1347956423 293825 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :typing can be an emotion < 1347956438 28239 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you dont wanna listen to the story < 1347956440 310270 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then dont < 1347956443 437432 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i do < 1347956445 727765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the point < 1347956454 932941 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway go on < 1347956503 331743 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Devastate I was. Lost in my thoughts. Feeling an immense pain in my chest. Growing tighter as I thought about her grin < 1347956511 370941 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: please let the man tell his story. < 1347956535 12855 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf kallisti < 1347956544 475680 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :psionics? < 1347956552 151599 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been known to happen. < 1347956570 217806 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for fuck's sake story story story < 1347956606 912611 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :remembering her indifference. It hurted ... it twisted my insides. < 1347956617 487707 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted for it to stop. And then suddenly, I knew how. < 1347956639 381219 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill her? < 1347956656 252830 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seppuku? < 1347956658 711852 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew also that if I did what I was planning on doing. I may stop having a heart < 1347956668 688577 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I didn't care... I just wanted the pain to go away. < 1347956669 471168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :organ donation? < 1347956679 837371 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nop, i killed myself. < 1347956684 990185 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1347956686 929524 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a knife. < 1347956692 530831 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, where < 1347956701 918127 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope you donated your organs < 1347956732 83605 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol... okay, I didn't kill myself... but i wish i had thought of that. < 1347956754 66790 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well how does the story land you here? < 1347956770 428645 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i lost my train of thought. sorry < 1347956793 303956 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean.. can you guide the story through to arriving at #esoteric ? < 1347956827 124809 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he thought it was the other sort of esoteric and hoped he could get spiritual guidance < 1347956834 610308 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some heavies can only be taken away by talking about it. < 1347956844 273491 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or i think thats how the quote goes. < 1347956872 462232 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, here I am talking about it. Letting the pain go away. < 1347956873 414512 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best way to deal with heavies is a spy or sniper, don't let anyone tell you different < 1347956891 913597 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does seem that way.. he hasn't made any references to brainfuck, lisp, turing, or haskell < 1347956900 570627 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, this is how the story really goes. < 1347956930 306863 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was suffering a lot. I wanted the pain to stop. < 1347956967 274042 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I decided to break all the promises that I did to her, Destroy all of our dreams, just forget she ever existed. < 1347957002 124329 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much emotion said there cause at this point... at felt indifferent as well. < 1347957017 149626 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, the emotions will come back from time to time. < 1347957036 76869 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It haunts me. Makes me wonder if what I lived that night was how I imagine it to be. < 1347957061 743642 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for dying in a pool of blood and tears < 1347957071 926936 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that probably didn't happen < 1347957076 620926 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hasnt happened yet... but somehow I know it will. < 1347957113 350012 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... to deal with your suicidal thoughts as a result of a bitter and traumatising breakup, you came to a channel about weird programming languages < 1347957114 102180 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd never know what truly happen... my emotions have clouded my memory. So, id never know either. < 1347957131 609307 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, phantom < 1347957132 523937 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't you talk to a psychiatrist, or one of those helplines they have? < 1347957145 856518 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they kinda annoy me < 1347957146 971615 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no < 1347957154 600712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1347957167 448338 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, im an artist. < 1347957184 279875 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I chose to be a story teller this time to express my self. < 1347957189 466591 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, help someone came here looking for advice < 1347957199 254140 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did? < 1347957212 12156 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just telling a story in the first person xD < 1347957225 28096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, my unicode setup isn't good enough to handle unknown characters < 1347957259 640557 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let your wonder guide you in finding the mysteries and the unknown. < 1347957315 323308 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1347957323 680135 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel isn't about the other sort of esoteric btw < 1347957330 282334 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha, it was fun. < 1347957330 511740 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case you hadn't realised < 1347957336 739417 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was fun anyway. < 1347957336 807344 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the topic isn't helpful right now < 1347957350 166357 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(was esme the name of your mysterious rejectress) < 1347957358 482157 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if he realizes what this channel is about < 1347957378 442454 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realize it, but i just ignore the purpose of this channel < 1347957380 448643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it _does_ say "programming language" in plain text, that's better than normal < 1347957384 158204 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i am aware of it < 1347957386 561512 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nop. < 1347957396 586761 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Her name isnt esme. < 1347957409 173826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it must be ralda < 1347957419 465319 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :close < 1347957420 646669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only logical < 1347957424 880167 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :talda? < 1347957433 344298 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :told'ya? < 1347957434 371004 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup, thats it < 1347957471 457260 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any huevos, I think imma let you computer geeks do your stuff < 1347957475 15363 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now < 1347957502 684458 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so long and thanks for listening < 1347957510 739687 :UnknownCharacter!~blueword_@c-67-172-233-44.hsd1.ut.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1347957517 868712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was surreal < 1347957682 156513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is the world unusually noisy today :( < 1347957718 11812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, why is the _low_ noise unusually annoying < 1347958108 24935 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to ask if someone pointed him to a hotline, but I see it was mentioned < 1347959171 266601 :soundnfury!~edward@static-87-243-208-102.adsl.hotchilli.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1347967238 305135 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1347967265 722168 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1347967823 588730 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1347969155 651564 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1347969692 793104 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1347969757 142168 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1347969771 507507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1347969780 956547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fixed your fibonacci a little < 1347969929 587071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before fixing, was it so that F_{n-2} + F_{n-1} was *almost* but not quite F_n? < 1347969940 283044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no. < 1347970007 477847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say that a couple of while loops had their tests reversed. < 1347970063 413728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which caused things not to happen at the right time, and it _looked_ like it essentially started turning into a fork bomb. < 1347970109 451339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i had four cars by the time i decided something had to be wrong :P < 1347970157 172580 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1347970163 615186 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I guess I should've added comments < 1347970189 279161 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :left column is supposed to be the "smaller" number, and right column is the bigger < 1347970207 500434 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :left column is added to a clone of right column, then destroyed < 1347970228 10803 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the clone becomes the new right column, and the original right column becomes the left column < 1347970231 588957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did figure it out eventually, i realized it made little sense for a loop to the left that only ever went at most once around < 1347970247 316817 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :things is I had started doing the opposite - right column added to left column < 1347970268 720480 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed so that the smaller one got added, because then it's more efficient < 1347970276 13221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1347970276 140638 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since it takes less time to add a smaller number) < 1347970404 67450 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I were to implement it I guess I would allow function names to use the separator as a third letter, cause two-letter names don't mean much < 1347970437 772344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :two letters should be enough for everyone! < 1347970563 652647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One letter seems to be generally speaking enough for mathematicians, so two sounds like plenty. < 1347970567 459966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(What language is this?) < 1347970574 685195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maze < 1347971109 827206 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well when I program in ocaml, most variables are only one letter < 1347971116 235676 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those are the "small" variables < 1347971148 204151 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :variables that get used a lot (because they are global, or whatever) I give meaningful names < 1347971203 780083 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the option I forgot about in the talk page, in case of multiple choices: make the car continue straight < 1347971239 297831 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, as long as it can go straight, it goes straight < 1347971259 198453 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if an instruction tells it to turn, of if there is a wall ahead, will it try the other ways < 1347971282 345572 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in this case if there is a T intersection, with turn right and turn left available but not go straight, then it's still blocked < 1347971331 51072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1347971382 926792 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if the car is forced into a wall by a direction or a splitter, I guess it would either result in an error, or the car would actually driver over the wall < 1347971413 122847 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the purpose of walls is to guide the car when it has no directions, so I guess they shouldn't matter when the car actually has a direction < 1347971452 395603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1347971478 13395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't think a car should actually _get_ through the wall. < 1347971532 514768 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess it would result in an error at the next tick, when the car tries to execute the instruction it is currently on < 1347971558 209863 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it would destroy the car, but in this case holes are kind of pointless < 1347972356 404761 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1347972540 871768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Purely going on movie physics, it sounds like the car should explode. < 1347972926 362894 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I was little I had this video game where you could destroy a wall, stand where it used to be, save the game, shut it off, then on again, and the wall would be back there... with you on top of it < 1347972977 338426 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then the wall basically acted as an empty cell as long as you were standing on it (that is, once you get off it, you can't get on again) < 1347973035 870710 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so, you can't walk into a wall, but you're allowed to "already" be on it < 1347973101 598363 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we had a law like that in france... underages were allowed to smoke, but not to buy cigarettes < 1347973303 306442 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1347973375 472692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible that our current law re alcohol is similar. It's illegal to sell or give the stuff to minors, but I don't think it's illegal for them to actually possess or drink it. (Could be wrong here.) < 1347973509 16964 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :may be the same here - though I guess the policy when minors are caught drinking is "call the parents" < 1347973707 897787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, seems that possession and transportation is also illegal for them. < 1347973714 383890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm sure there's something else that's similar. < 1347973769 591494 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1347973874 268006 :yiyus!~124271242@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1347973884 360621 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: yeah i prefer that sort of coding < 1347973933 253116 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I sort of thought that our age limit for "strong" (> 22 vol%) drinks was 21, but seems that it's 20. < 1347973933 271602 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works well with functional programming, I guess < 1347973968 275702 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1347973994 258958 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its a better game in fjidjiojeiojdewiojdiewjdiwejdiwejdiwjio why does my mom have to check up on me and leave my door ajar then wash her hands loudly < 1347974100 880878 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1347974109 263132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit nvg's python version is too old to run jolvering >_< < 1347974122 301936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*jolverine < 1347974135 454703 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1347974144 16625 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :half-life 3: the anxiety transferance gun < 1347974218 762556 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :gabe newell is a cyborg at this point < 1347974263 256677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: LAter < 1347974970 703792 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1347975276 586208 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1347976716 205939 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1347981346 240269 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1347982346 223788 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-100.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1347982454 239516 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-100.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I thought of a brilliant way to obfuscate haskell < 1347982466 140535 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-100.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rebindable Syntax, Overloaded Strings < 1347982488 710574 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-100.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fromInteger _ a _ = a; fromRational _ x y z = x z (y z); fromString _ = unsafeCoerce < 1347982588 887978 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1347982607 23991 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1347982733 17931 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1347982738 827663 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1347982861 700163 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-100.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This lets you do crazy things < 1347982869 787990 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-100.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including computationally everything < 1347982885 492807 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-100.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fromString _ = fix also works < 1347983151 588177 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-100.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then with 0, 0.0, and "0", you can do ANYTHING < 1347983168 518692 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-100.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except IO < 1347983172 360840 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-100.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some other things < 1347983555 864113 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-100.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW TO ABUSE THIS AND MAKE #haskell PANIC < 1347984110 932321 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-100.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what... < 1347984113 931059 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-100.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1347984171 261186 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-100.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ackermann function? < 1347984198 683726 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-100.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Collatz sequence? < 1347984784 701911 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1347984815 999255 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1347985113 824095 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1347985115 892514 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1347985127 200726 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1347985145 618986 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-11-100.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1347985513 691301 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1347985666 280972 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1347986074 947156 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1347986217 25625 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1347986984 484293 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1347987526 951842 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1347988006 748047 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1347988406 28913 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1347989912 963175 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1347989983 105608 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: wow < 1347989994 152283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are a maniac < 1347989997 155175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tip my hat to you < 1347990077 265293 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: sweet < 1347990118 202815 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how does something like 0"0" lex in haskell? you might not need any whitespace even < 1347990225 802956 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you probably need parens for grouping though < 1347990397 155876 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do anyone of you happen to have xorg shape extension header file? < 1347990432 982634 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my system doesn't seem to have it < 1347990519 212611 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and X11/extensions/XTest.h < 1347990560 544957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have /usr/include/X11/extensions/XTest.h < 1347990603 255420 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As do I < 1347990649 682089 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can those be downloaded separately from somewhere? < 1347990683 332679 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, you don't need a space < 1347990690 364907 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I'm not going to compile xorg on this macgine < 1347990694 185754 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*machine < 1347990703 463486 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5073040/how-to-find-x11-extensions-xtest-h < 1347990758 13944 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have that package installed < 1347990822 308503 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :matti@konata:~$ pacman -Qo /usr/include/X11/extensions/XTest.h < 1347990822 402360 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/include/X11/extensions/XTest.h is owned by libxtst 1.2.1-1 < 1347990826 474289 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you should install Arch < 1347990857 570440 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if my computer had enough ram to boot the installer :/ < 1347990875 928095 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no installer < 1347990912 722764 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if your computer can't run the live environment, you should consider buying a new one. < 1347990933 90061 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1347990940 507038 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs slitaz fast ennough < 1347990960 852661 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well slitaz without x11 and much of busybox replaced with toybox but still < 1347991060 461468 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1347991077 398069 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you actually /do/ with such a computer < 1347991128 380847 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I program, irc, surf web, listen to music, play video, play touhou, tweak < 1347991151 853066 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course try to squeeze last bit of performance out of it < 1347991160 556847 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiat < 1347991175 826880 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You play touhou on a computer that can't even run X11? < 1347991182 423356 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or were you just talking about running everything off RAM < 1347991190 859882 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can run x11 < 1347991206 624953 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just usually don't do it as it slows down the computer < 1347991236 637872 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I only play pc98 touhous. I like those more compared to windows touhous < 1347991261 585125 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if my computer can't run x11 why would I need the header files for x11? < 1347991262 932604 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I bet you don't like them just because they need more RAM < 1347991294 270233 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, for all I know you might have a dumb terminal to act as the server or whatnot < 1347991300 570 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if you did! < 1347991317 284157 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. I liked pc98 touhous more even when I had computer with enough ram to play them smoothly without any kind of hacks < 1347991339 447227 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you do to your computer!? < 1347991391 584822 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing. the hd controller just broke < 1347991503 213501 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is upgrade to the machine I used before this but after my ibook g4 broke < 1347991513 997282 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had 100MHz P1 and 40MB of RAM < 1347991523 714770 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran DSL on it < 1347991607 388241 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :worked pretty well but I wouldn't switch back to it unless I had < 1347991621 13092 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :video playback was terribly slow < 1347991741 83396 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. almost forgot. I also run two instances of my ircbot and my web server on backgtound < 1347991790 776685 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My crappy cell phone from ten years ago probably had more megahertz and megabytes than that < 1347991807 825012 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1347991818 725331 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nokia 9300 has same amount of ram < 1347991821 36304 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, yours has more memory I think. < 1347991842 187547 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the venerable N-GAGE ran at 104MHz < 1347991859 568995 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and something like iphone 3g has same amount of meghertz < 1347991883 228539 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you were talking about that P1 computer and not my main computer < 1347991892 982320 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes < 1347991902 674211 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the specs on your main computer then < 1347991914 483364 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :700MHz P3, 64 RAM < 1347991922 317979 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that can't run Arch's live environment? < 1347991974 732973 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost every distro requires at least 128MB nowadays < 1347992039 631463 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno if the wiki's up to date but it says 64MB minimum on one page. < 1347992069 644814 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well arch cd ran out of memory when it was starting up x11 < 1347992079 238047 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So don't start X11 < 1347992093 771947 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did that automaticaly < 1347992107 672205 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf did you download exactly < 1347992131 22716 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The main Arch media is just for installation and it boots into a root shell < 1347992131 997965 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No X < 1347992136 396423 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1347992140 298822 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1347992149 644190 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There used to be an "installer" but it was character-based < 1347992166 730902 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also burning CDs sucks, I prefer USB memory < 1347992185 286492 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this thing has usb 1.1 and can't boot directly from it < 1347992260 538650 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the more reason to get a new computer < 1347992262 762782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slackware 3.4 has a special LOWMEM.TXT for machines that have 4 megabytes or RAM or less. < 1347992264 251900 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Optical media is obsolete to me. < 1347992267 83394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's slightly old, though. < 1347992383 301385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't recall which computer I had when I was installing that thing. It was either the 486sx/33 with 8M of memory, or the p233mmx with something ridiculous (64M? 256M!? maybe 64M...) of memory. < 1347992486 832298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: you can download the -dev .deb and extract it < 1347992760 203009 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1347992926 79340 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is 64M ridicilous? < 1347993004 638443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just recall it felt like some really big number. So maybe it was the 256M. < 1347993006 601350 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: can I replace all the gnu just in arch with busybox alternatives? < 1347993007 972496 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1347993017 423804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps 128M. < 1347993035 819318 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/just/junk/ < 1347993236 287043 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I just trim down the kernel a bit, I could *totally* have a Linux system for you running in 4 megs of RAM. < 1347993244 660142 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(warning: do *not* run the compiler. Ever.) < 1347993261 628182 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just use the updated linux 0.0.1 from 2008 < 1347993262 47827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even tcc? < 1347993269 863273 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no < 1347993288 319029 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ack work with linux? < 1347993343 210390 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :with ack I refer to ack compiler, not that grep replacement < 1347993372 885357 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs nicely on my minix 1.5 box with 2MB of RAM < 1347993383 500083 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or another option is really old 1.x gcc < 1347993470 827661 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: tcc would work. < 1347993480 737434 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm using gcc because tcc won't build Linux. < 1347993515 719943 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't tcc use more than 4MB? < 1347993530 854770 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes it will. linux 2.4 < 1347993585 538810 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: That was heavily patched, and I'm using 3.0 anyways. :) < 1347993586 948839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1347993614 834604 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias ld='swapon /dev/fd0;ld' < 1347993615 873249 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, 3.5 < 1347993639 813839 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :put the swap on a network drive or something < 1347993661 4458 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, busybox will run *happily* in a meg of RAM. < 1347993673 272499 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming a sane libc, of course. < 1347993686 777340 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like µClibc or musl? < 1347993690 520694 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1347993699 567285 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is dietlibc sane? < 1347993736 87431 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1347993747 230245 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's small, but blatantly non-conformant in several areas. < 1347993748 218995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: o_o < 1347993753 770509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once used swap over NFS < 1347993787 159501 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also honestly not *that* much smaller than musl. < 1347993795 128279 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is bionic sane :P < 1347993822 510423 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :musl is ~3 times as much dietlibc, but that's largely because musl offers many functions that dietlibc doesn't. < 1347993837 138090 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and if you don't use those functions, they aren't in your binary when static linked anyways) < 1347993840 342244 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Hell no. < 1347993875 19084 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can someone break libc so badly < 1347993937 541293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ach du libc < 1347993953 772880 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google libgreat < 1347993955 480549 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/lispmeister/libgreat < 1347993971 384872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bionic isn't really supposed to be a libc right < 1347993991 128278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a userspace library to help in the writing of dalvik and other android system stuff < 1347993996 110572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which bears some resemblence to a libc < 1347994011 690127 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think bionic is the libc used by ndk/jni code on android < 1347994035 707497 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but ndk code is supposed to be mostly computation and not system stuff < 1347994043 868780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think they advertise it as a full POSIX / C compliant environment < 1347994045 291455 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug < 1347994077 906675 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, does anyone advertise as that? < 1347994084 117200 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except microsoft) < 1347994088 751554 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apple does < 1347994105 114200 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mac os x I mean < 1347994176 995050 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's not a full POSIX / C environment, but there's no real reason it shouldn't be, if not strictly compliant, at least close... < 1347994182 868022 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Linux not POSIX compliant? I'm vaguely aware it's not certified as such, or something < 1347994194 943150 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Except that Google only cares about having enough of a libc that Dalvik runs. < 1347994209 453248 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX isn't completely linux compliant < 1347994214 567959 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wikipedia says it isn't < 1347994221 294534 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but minix 2 is < 1347994223 110482 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1347994237 668831 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... And they have a strict no-GPL-in-userspace policy, making use of extant Linux libcs a fucking pain. < 1347994258 140631 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, now that musl's MIT licensed they could use that, but that wasn't an option way-back-when, and switching libcs is still a damned pain.) < 1347994274 598100 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1347994280 885053 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no-GPL-in-usespace? what? < 1347994283 779385 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*userspace < 1347994287 90778 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also same for busybox < 1347994298 541117 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they have their broken toolbox < 1347994302 675948 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Linux itself cannot be POSIX compliant, but I'm pretty sure it supports enough functionality that a POSIX environment could be had reasonably. < 1347994320 923437 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *think* musl might actually be, if you assume a set of POSIX utils? < 1347994336 25753 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck, I think glibc might be POSIX compliant modulo weird-ass edge cases. < 1347994391 689543 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is because gnu dd automaticaly assumes 1024b block size instead of 512b < 1347994414 740295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX_ME_HARDER < 1347994417 579587 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Oh, wait, getopt. < 1347994434 624789 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to force some environment flags down glibc's throat for getopt to conform. < 1347994450 108811 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah. getopt < 1347994455 510832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIXLY_CORRECT does some of the things. < 1347994460 847400 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably other similar breakage. < 1347994478 431122 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'd bet solidly on there being bugs in pthreads. < 1347994478 619641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like enables the 512-byte blocks. < 1347994497 113965 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because pthreads are somewhat complex, and more so in glibc. < 1347994581 748320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"somewhat" < 1347994602 823281 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :musl pthreads are a mere 10k. :) < 1347994682 864002 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.musl-libc.org/cgi-bin/cgit.cgi?url=musl/tree/src/thread/sem_open.c being the most complex chunk of source in it. < 1347994703 347023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be surprised if someone, somewhere had run the (freely available) PCTS on some of these things, though. (At least some old versions are freely-freely available. VSX-PCTS2003 "is available for no fee to organizations submitting products for certification", which might not quite count.) < 1347994748 719628 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is PCTS? < 1347994760 393843 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSIX Conformance Test Suite. < 1347994766 650307 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1347994963 365527 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, that's only for POSIX 2003... < 1347994981 795453 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :musl doesn't even pretend to conform to old standard versions. < 1347994986 10583 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is POSIX-compliant these days, such that there's a POSIX 2003? < 1347995002 858606 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 2003, I turned 7. < 1347995006 593475 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait < 1347995008 752288 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other one < 1347995009 302118 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 < 1347995010 849091 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1347995012 130854 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 < 1347995013 541636 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: POSIX 2008 is the latest version. < 1347995013 560068 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1347995014 817107 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop < 1347995020 723137 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 2003 I turned 6 < 1347995035 452176 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, are there any POSIX 2008 compliant things out there? Maybe the BSDs? < 1347995098 434844 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certified as such, I dunno. < 1347995100 315590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to http://get.posixcertified.ieee.org/docs/testsuites.html the only test suites are for 2003. < 1347995112 697819 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually compliant? Quite possibly. < 1347996059 991187 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1347996086 380184 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1347996716 527999 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear I've done this before < 1347997150 84782 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have done this many times before... < 1347997174 434602 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, are you going crazy < 1347997190 536929 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAH YES I AM < 1347997197 978870 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least forget to save things < 1347997222 197758 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :brains have autosave < 1347997238 102329 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1347997244 98491 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I get one of these brains < 1347997264 172016 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ingest them and thus gain their powers < 1347997264 473790 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'm making a predecessor function in SK calculus < 1347997303 510545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have integers? < 1347997314 716806 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Church numbers < 1347997326 406074 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, numbered churches < 1347997357 263111 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham has too many churches < 1347997364 329653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of Church numbers? < 1347997382 226497 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\fx.x, \fx.fx, \fx.f(fx), etc < 1347997442 915976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the predecessor of \fx.x? < 1347997450 923977 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\fx.x < 1347997457 627181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1347997508 201339 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you consider that cheating, there's an implementation on the wikipedia page for church numerals < 1347997525 860935 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not cheating at all < 1347997540 438374 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that's in the lambda calculus < 1347997551 146843 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the SK combinator calculus < 1347997558 446925 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :translating that to SK is a trivial exercise < 1347997561 727002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: there's an implementation hidden in the unlambda deadfish >:) < 1347997576 808599 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it's a really tedious exercise < 1347997582 334767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere close to the ?d , presumably < 1347997780 692873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _might_ be precisely the lines strictly between the lines of the ?d and the ?o, but no guarantee < 1347997837 73946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is ``s``s`ks ``s`k`s`ks ``s`k`s`kk i `ki < 1347997858 328535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :increment again... < 1347997877 326981 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erq38.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1347998007 342327 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erq38.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any esoteric markup languages? < 1347998055 526749 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JaBoJa, not as far as I am aware < 1347998060 689426 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome JaBoJa < 1347998082 926554 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :JaBoJa: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1347998106 398009 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to make one once, didn't get very far < 1347998120 359978 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erq38.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :What it looked like? < 1347998148 120892 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much < 1347998161 673955 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically a series of instructions about putting things in boxes < 1347998523 211509 :kenyerlin!~canaima@186.90.217.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1347998589 397008 :kenyerlin!~canaima@186.90.217.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :las niñas digan yo < 1347998698 828000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome kenyerlin < 1347998698 922379 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erq38.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1347998702 341983 :JaBoJa|2!~kvirc@erq38.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1347998704 84119 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kenyerlin: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1347998709 95242 :kenyerlin!~canaima@186.90.217.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::):-*:-*=-O8-) < 1347998793 912418 :kenyerlin!~canaima@186.90.217.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola como estan < 1347998822 607705 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that appears to be increment < 1347998856 641149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i just finished checking < 1347998882 734554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: that means the lines i mentioned, which are in the corresponding spot for ?d, should be decrement < 1347998936 505994 :kenyerlin!~canaima@186.90.217.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :son de venezuela :) < 1347998940 327214 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1347999294 609669 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erq38.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1347999297 619910 :JaBoJa|2!~kvirc@erq38.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ < 1347999420 479096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I'm allowed to like the Clojure ecosystem, not directly because of its access to Java libraries, but because its access to Java libraries brought other people over, and those people made nice elegant Clojure libraries. < 1347999707 562138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but you're not allowed to meta-ponder it like that. < 1347999720 490811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION crawls back under rock < 1347999828 223372 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, #clojure thinks of me as the annoying monad person. And one person says it's because I complain without actually taking action to fix anything. < 1347999944 354948 :kenyerlin!~canaima@186.90.217.78 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1347999954 719495 :kenyerlin!~canaima@186.90.217.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1347999999 215118 :kenyerlin!~canaima@186.90.217.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nnm < 1348000020 315851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kenyerlin: no hablo español < 1348000053 745026 :kenyerlin!~canaima@186.90.217.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :q idioma < 1348000249 559412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of us speak english here < 1348000264 840692 :kenyerlin!~canaima@186.90.217.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1348000446 856860 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure, but I think the majority might actually be non-native English speakers. < 1348000460 848494 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348000463 572093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1348000476 192028 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language do they speak in Hexham? < 1348000488 9592 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexhammish. Clearly. < 1348000558 790664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hexham on the exam < 1348000601 311910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Axeman of Hexham. < 1348000669 631299 :kenyerlin!~canaima@186.90.217.78 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348000723 142710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximize the hammocks < 1348000728 588198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348000773 888127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Update your links (if you have any) to my computer! My domain name has changed from zzo38computer.cjb.net to zzo38computer.org < 1348000801 630272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i used the external links search page to fix some more on the wiki < 1348000821 275405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow it looks immediately more professional when it has a top-level name right after it. < 1348000854 704106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK, thanks. I tried to use that < 1348000866 849769 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note this includes all protocols. < 1348001400 122375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night, maybe < 1348001611 512616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: There're slides/videos for nominolo's GHC JIT thing, it looks like. < 1348001934 529641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348002248 896007 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348002357 665012 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1348002367 738946 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1348002483 269287 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348002502 675604 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348002656 439459 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-74-252.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348002663 521397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, Slashdot's owners have just been bought out < 1348002719 937327 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :sourceforge's too < 1348002822 261388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're the same owners :) < 1348002828 944549 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1348002841 481054 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Slashdot is still vaguely relevant, whereas Sourceforge isn't really < 1348003133 150839 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348003207 315105 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1348003922 57846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hey now, I just got a new "project of the month is this and that" email from them. < 1348005438 304418 :nooga!~nooga@maverick.aircity.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1348005604 710561 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1348005844 917761 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348006475 517775 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348007014 313867 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"] < 1348007861 422462 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348008224 823923 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1348008229 364167 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348008704 944592 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348009765 310627 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1348010862 605769 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1348012097 75503 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Goodnight < 1348012298 208505 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au NICK :itidus21 < 1348012306 11387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :buhh < 1348012406 497938 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348013285 34558 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am writing some C program and Famicom program to make a slideshow of name tables, pattern tables, and .NSF musics, at request of someone who ask me to do this. < 1348013386 155815 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :8:08 play drum machines every day < 1348013405 246194 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is pondering how to best fake return-type polymorphism in a dynamically typed language < 1348013440 770749 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure out what's the optimal kind of cpu design for when your system is 32 bits but you don't have cache < 1348013454 969031 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting to look suspiciously a lot like an ARM :D < 1348013490 406756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't have cash, you can't afford any kind of CPU design. < 1348013496 376044 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those things are expensive. < 1348013622 164170 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahah < 1348013652 387179 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you have cache the optimal design turns into something like a POWER < 1348013666 708293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: what about ARM is optimized for no cache in particular? < 1348013676 809477 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some other monstruous out of order risc design with some huge ass vector processing unit < 1348013709 342868 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: thumb mode (16 bit opcode mode) < 1348013721 948606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah < 1348013769 16234 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :register file not too small not too large < 1348013784 522274 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 or 2 instructions per cycle < 1348013794 232916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another reason for 16 bit instructions is that some small embedded ARM chips have only 16-bit data bus < 1348013802 195944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or had, anyway) < 1348013964 262533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i can tell, the main design criterion for ARM was basically "okay, RISC is pretty cool, now how can we be clever to work around the drawbacks" < 1348014006 185816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular arbitrary conditional instructions + selective update of condition codes < 1348014024 225261 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid pipeline stalls caused by branching < 1348014039 165030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly Thumb does away with the arbitrary conditionals :/ < 1348014043 953194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thumb-2 has them in a jankier way < 1348014091 264775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also having the program counter accessible like any other register is pretty cool < 1348014108 198992 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah dunno about having PC as a register < 1348014131 851730 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't work well with my current design at least < 1348014177 686006 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also considered a miniature vliw, with 32 bits instructions but 2 operations per instruction < 1348014222 632052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, ARM and VAX both have PC in R15; RogueVM has PC in R0. I would like to make up some CPU architecture too, but it would cost a lot to make the chip. < 1348014233 578790 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure there's much gain over a 1 op/16bit instruction design if you have to load instructions at the same time < 1348014257 410793 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: you could do something that could run in a FPGA < 1348014262 37470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Should I write my programs for RogueVM instead of x86? < 1348014265 60338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put instructions on a separate bus if you want to load instruction and data at the same time. < 1348014284 607585 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: that's why most CPUs have cache < 1348014286 455557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It depends what programs you are trying to write. For some cases, neither is best. < 1348014300 168013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What if I want to write Web 2.0 applications? < 1348014317 532617 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: 2 internal buses... without having a gazillion pins (which would be expensive) < 1348014374 182546 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: In that case I recommend quitting. But if you want to do anyways, perhaps don't use a machine code; use an interpreted or compiled programming language. < 1348014395 110839 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with a PC register is that it gets complicated once you start doing out of order and stuff < 1348014407 278263 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ARM PC is barely a register at all anymore < 1348014416 144364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But it's gotta scale, though. < 1348014424 974288 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has all sorts of occasions where using it as a register is forbidden < 1348014427 910508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need json encoding as an instruction < 1348014448 89730 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in the end you kinda get cheated out of a register < 1348014464 816173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes I think it can gets complicated, but I can make one that is different. < 1348014506 604138 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interest of having a PC register is probably doing PC relative addressing < 1348014555 540214 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348014559 187532 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be useful for uhh < 1348014567 49950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonghits < 1348014580 889390 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes.. < 1348014607 518474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :RogueVM is never meant to be hardware (it is software only), so it does not have those problems when PC is R0. If you use R15 as a stack pointer, you may return from a subroutine using the (single-byte) instruction: MTR R0 R15+1 < 1348014626 862595 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah for software VMs the design considerations are different < 1348014635 916872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With hardware CPU, the best way to do may depend to use least gate and most speeds. < 1348014653 229760 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you want to use as few opcodes as possible and as many parameters/addresses/etc as possible with a vm < 1348014657 630315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though it may make it strange, I think. < 1348014671 98995 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so turning flow execution into a memory location you write to probably makes sense < 1348014708 507748 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: yeah for hardware cpus... RISC tends to win < 1348014735 205298 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except maybe before cache where everybody was CISC < 1348014742 693403 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because denser code = faster code < 1348014761 23400 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not true anymore once your loop is in code cache) < 1348014798 756453 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for VMs it helps to have complicated instructions because you reduce the interpretive overhead < 1348014812 527584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's assuming you are doing a straight up interpreter and not something fancier < 1348014817 600200 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1348014821 941037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For hardware CPU, I want one with self-modifying microcodes. < 1348014827 613793 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oho < 1348014831 472134 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss Cybertown < 1348014838 750203 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: that's an interesting idea < 1348014855 549496 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have ideas about VMs. one such idea was to just build a VM on top of an API < 1348014894 521583 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i didnt think of it that way before entirely < 1348014901 2279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter for LuaJIT decodes the next instruction just before dispatching the previous instruction < 1348014914 973161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in hopes of keeping the ALU busy through a mispredicted indirect jump < 1348014917 802284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have many other ideas for designing CPU hardware, too. < 1348014936 152672 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i also have an idea of a nes vm < 1348014937 375626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interpreter for LuaJIT does all sorts of nifty things. < 1348014981 577071 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i was reading http://wiki.luajit.org/New-Garbage-Collector today < 1348014983 127709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good stuff < 1348014989 486762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the luajit guy is some kind of wizard < 1348015013 853386 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: the problem is making it all worth it < 1348015110 273586 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik the optimal circuit design is to fill it with a whole bunch of slow but efficient pipelined ALUs, but you'll never be able to write a program for that < 1348015124 520680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it would be worth it if: * It is for sale * GCC and/or LLVM can target it * Patent-free * Fast * Not too expensive * Not too much power use * A few other things too. < 1348015159 557049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.luajit.org/New-Garbage-Collector#Bitmap-Tricks < 1348015177 372502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write a JIT-thing sometime. It sounds like fun. < 1348015178 97912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: But you would need some way to read instructions too, and then you will be able to write a program for that, I think. < 1348015220 422585 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, supposed you doubled down on adders < 1348015253 37912 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and made something like a 1024bit SIMD or something crazy like that < 1348015278 686610 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but every pipelined addition takes 10 cycles to execute < 1348015292 895886 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd need 10 things going on at the same time to be efficient < 1348015300 685128 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no compiler could target that < 1348015310 374538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long before x86 SIMD registers are extended to 1024 bits < 1348015330 197529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ALU and instruction reading is not good enough; also have multiplexing (like Muxcomp esolang), self-modifying LFSR-based PC microcodes, and a few more. And then, make multi-core, and then you would have enough. < 1348015340 463567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are they at now, 256? < 1348015343 565664 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: they're being extended to 256 atm < 1348015363 651247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1348015367 292515 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haswell will let you do integer operations on them. < 1348015373 951835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now you can only do some kind of boring floating point thing. < 1348015390 170145 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 x float isn't boring :D < 1348015400 560040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 floats isn't cool < 1348015410 220573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's cool? 8192 floats < 1348015419 673916 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahah < 1348015427 395777 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would never fit on any chip ever :D < 1348015459 695751 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION . o O ( that would never fit on any chip ever :D ) < 1348015486 842506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: What if they were 2-bit floats? < 1348015497 685118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many bits do you need for a float to be meaningful? < 1348015505 482675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :0, 1, 0.5, NaN < 1348015505 749305 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1348015506 218837 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, so you get to chose between 0, 0.5, 1, and 2? < 1348015511 527383 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahah nan < 1348015515 928403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta have NaN < 1348015518 153801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No sign bit? < 1348015526 442628 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a sign bit! < 1348015533 446773 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :+0, +Nan, -0, -Nan < 1348015544 961103 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :-N, +N < 1348015564 630010 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah 32bit floats are kind of a sweet spots < 1348015577 636115 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's support for 16bit floats here and there but it's kinda specialized < 1348015581 440065 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(gfx stuff) < 1348015607 224572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you write a fast inverse square root for 2-bit floats? < 1348015615 745423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's called a lookup table < 1348015638 187430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :More of a look-out table. < 1348015641 652540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i spent an hour looking at profiler output and learned nothing < 1348015648 306453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you profiling? < 1348015652 13807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i spent five minutes adding 'print time.time()' to my code and found the slow bits < 1348015659 927502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a django app < 1348015675 657584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, one of those secret things. < 1348015680 512792 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some trick to using profilers < 1348015682 349200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when do people profile django apps? < 1348015687 989310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never had a really enlightening experience with one < 1348015698 469762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I've derived some useful information from instruction-level profiling before. < 1348015698 791284 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :int a=5; sign x=+,y=-; a*=y; < 1348015712 223002 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :floats are really nice for sound processing < 1348015724 773927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: There is nothing sound about floats. < 1348015735 848356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what kind of information? < 1348015745 910996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've taken to calling them "floating-point values" instead of "floating-point numbers". < 1348015763 888180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :floating point-values < 1348015767 97161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If some CPU is made by FPGA, use some FPGA with a open specification, so that it can be dynamically reprogrammed with exactly what it decide by itself to need for some computations at some time. < 1348015772 459961 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything's made up and the points don't matter < 1348015782 381962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't remember the details. < 1348015790 35009 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: except there are no open specification FPGAs afaik < 1348015801 932195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some cases it was as simple as "this is the slow part", which is useful enough. < 1348015819 144434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today python cProfile + kcachegrind failed to give me that basic information < 1348015831 690766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Some have been reverse-engineered partially, I think. < 1348015834 731274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead it gave me a lot of confusing bullshit < 1348015842 938788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions which take a lot of time and seemingly have no callers < 1348015844 39828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I remember correctly it involved dividing one CPU hardware counter value by another. < 1348015852 821320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all buried within the std lib < 1348015865 247587 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know about profiling Python. < 1348015877 772653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the rule of thumb about Python was "it's all slow". < 1348015898 382415 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah the big problem with cpu design is latency < 1348015899 585242 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I could make a open specification FPGA then I think a lot of people would buy it; some people because they like open source, some because they like dynamic programming, and some for both reasons. < 1348015917 653075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but some bits are slower than others < 1348015929 980631 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I've never gotten useful information from GHC's profiler, but I've never tried very hard. < 1348015933 51040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a web app it's often that you're making too many SQL queries in some particular place < 1348015943 380041 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not the host language's fault < 1348015951 67712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in addition, if we can use a same format instead of changing it too often, they can even replace the FPGA chip with a newer model and it will still work OK. < 1348015956 209160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably if you add all the cost centres by hand or something it can work out, but I've never gotten information from it "easily". < 1348015997 590635 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: probablem is that, what if the new model has 4x more gates but they had to add in 1.2x more latency? < 1348016178 880237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i've never had good success with ghc's profiler either < 1348016198 99109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: If it was like that, there are a few possibilities: One is to include one smaller area with 1x latency. Another is to continue producing the older model too. Third is to have to rewrite the program anyways. Regardless, though, the bitstream format should be kept the same as much as possible. < 1348016206 777957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i have successfully profiled c code in the past but i don't really remember the story < 1348016211 510778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This way you can use all the same software to program it with. < 1348016215 875564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oftentimes manual sampling in gdb is all you need < 1348016243 502531 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: ah yeah perhaps < 1348016266 975837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yep, that's my experience too. :-) < 1348016279 265892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are so many little things you do while trying to optimize C code, and profiling can be one of them. < 1348016337 164858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So even if the latency does change, you would not need an entirely new computer program to program the FPGA (you only need to change the setting), also if using dynamic programming you would only need to take into account the different latency and otherwise work the same. < 1348016349 901095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Have you used "perf"? < 1348016354 555311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a little < 1348016366 105220 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that the internet optimizes my music access rates < 1348016406 58426 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh for fuck's sake < 1348016428 569234 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg youtube < 1348016438 896774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What did those Clojure people do this time? < 1348016495 414760 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's me being weird this time < 1348016533 728368 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you on worlds.com again? < 1348016555 20043 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now appear to think that my idea of a type to hold a value of a type to be determined later is possibly an applicative functor, and at the very least a functor... wait, hmm < 1348016599 563076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean, how to hold a value of a type to be determined later? Wouldn't it be something with a class constraint? < 1348016638 439989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How else are you supposed to determine the type after the value is written? < 1348016647 649279 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of before < 1348016660 867074 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to replicate return-value polymorphism in a dynamically typed language. My idea comes down to just returning a type that holds a function and that function is called with the desired type, producing the result value < 1348016738 26315 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: I guess it could be a workable platform for stuff like games and synths < 1348016767 210955 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :games: game defines its own "sound chip" and "video chip" dedicated to its own specific needs < 1348016798 151459 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :synth: obviously defines its own custom targetted pipeline too < 1348016905 666854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl has return-value ad-hoc polymorphism < 1348016918 249466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a function can determine whether it is being called in scalar or array context < 1348016922 53362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes it could be good for those things, and perhaps find other use too. < 1348016922 598660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Limited to three types, though. < 1348016935 770055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is pretty different from type classes. < 1348016968 448998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Haskell it would be the equivalent (sort of) of returning (Scalar,Array,Hash) < 1348016982 994054 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: hm, you'd need something that's not IO-limited or memory-bandwidth-limited < 1348016993 3415 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: or calculation-latency limited < 1348017011 953508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :data T x y = T (forall y. x y -> y); Would something like this to do something? < 1348017049 925361 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1348017060 633420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No. < 1348017091 378960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't shadow in data type declarations, man. It's not polite. < 1348017093 708449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You are right; it might not do something. < 1348017108 193187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "shadow in data type declarations" mean? < 1348017130 214975 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1348017135 593165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a mistake anyways. < 1348017137 328374 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: essentially it would be good for the kind of stuff the CELL is used for < 1348017142 867089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant: data T x = T (forall y. x y -> y); < 1348017163 836718 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348017207 324421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: OK < 1348017240 530261 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kinda why AVX (new x86 SIMD) did float first < 1348017253 920745 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where most of the bigtime usage is < 1348017271 133066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That y inside the parentheses isn't the same as the y outside. < 1348017273 663281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oh. < 1348017275 77384 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(games, multimedia) < 1348017282 996430 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other usages tend to be IO-limited < 1348017290 20490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That was a mistake. I didn't mean to put the y outside. < 1348017302 504981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That might be useful... I don't know for that. < 1348017304 936516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: OK < 1348017315 315273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know for sure either. < 1348017338 864255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like class Extract f where extract :: f a -> a < 1348017368 282985 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I insane? < 1348017385 589459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it would be something like that, but not quite, because it is a data type instead of a class. < 1348017396 776617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1348017400 48079 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: In what way? That way, or the other way? < 1348017417 453440 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no its only code and math... it's not a reflection on you personally < 1348017539 115995 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i mean by that is, you can't be insane simply by choice of programming languages, or by choice of engineering problems < 1348017900 359773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Yin Wang (the guy explaining the Yin-Yang call/cc problem) also hates layout syntax too. < 1348018078 251730 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one neat idea I've had is to have, say, 32 ALUs, with 32 registers and 64 multiplexers < 1348018116 489450 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each instruction is simply the OP for each alu and which register each multiplexer reads from < 1348018183 316863 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could do a routine where each alu keeps the same op every cycle and it's just values trickling down the pipeline < 1348019049 228589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1348019563 330329 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that the linux community should plan for the release of windows8 with a plan for converting windows users < 1348019699 998529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares < 1348019702 593664 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a slogan like "we don't completely hate you" < 1348019741 273560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft is no longer the evil empire < 1348019746 446627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are rapidly becoming completely irrelevant < 1348019751 670384 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... < 1348019761 259594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you care about Software Freedom or whatever, then worry about converting iphone users < 1348019772 607481 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but iphones are stupid :P < 1348019780 461712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :iphone users all the time, telling them to convert. They never listen. < 1348019851 543659 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admit i don't care about the fate of people using mobile devices < 1348019882 107378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't understand < 1348019893 491475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in another 10 years the majority of people will only own iphone-like devices < 1348019900 121643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will have a small iphone that fits in their pocket < 1348019907 480541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a tablet one with a detachable keyboard < 1348019910 465105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one that's part of their car < 1348019911 244190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1348019919 86947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but none of these will be user-controlled general purpose computers < 1348019966 517986 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sort of see what you're saying. < 1348019991 528893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :focusing on converting windows desktop users is hilariously '90's < 1348020014 48090 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im worried about the welfare of the code written by desktop users < 1348020042 47119 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1348020044 348091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :written? < 1348020049 938402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most users don't write any code < 1348020059 994178 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1348020065 548636 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1348020070 408399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most users don't care about software freedom < 1348020074 842925 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm not saying they should care < 1348020084 393145 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aparently they tried to switch to ipads in some schools and it didn't work < 1348020085 73123 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the kind of people who worry about "converting windows users" usually think they should < 1348020126 260855 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone writes code and the code no longer works on anyones computer a few years later, then the users are missing out :D < 1348020149 486739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is one reason I am going to make up the computer, which should have simplicity and people who know how can learn to make up their own compatible computer, or if they don't want to do that, purchase it from my company. It can also use emulators. < 1348020151 809395 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know if code does stop working though < 1348020176 307251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what you're talking about < 1348020181 629445 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not exactly the first time < 1348020214 545704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I don't know either; if require you could try to use an emulator. But in some cases the code will always work, for example TeX can be updated to work on a new computer, and any Plain TeX document will continue to work exactly the same way 100 years in future as they do now (but possibly compiles faster). < 1348020375 291319 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :each time an API is updated, a bunch of new books are published, articles and tutorials are written, and forums probably fill up discussing it.. but the cycle begins again on the next update < 1348020436 776108 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if API hosts could be honest and predict when the client code would stop working < 1348020478 888522 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of an expiry date system on APIs < 1348020482 933941 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck C++. < 1348020499 513183 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ IO is the worst IO of any language I have seen. < 1348020543 734124 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Plain TeX basically doesn't expire :D < 1348020547 296209 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this metric < 1348020660 493798 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Java's IO considered decent? < 1348020699 166492 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that I want to use Java, but Clojure tends not to wrap Java stuff like that) < 1348020700 256976 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'unno. It can't be worse than C++ IO. < 1348020710 222726 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ IO is *actually worse than C's*. < 1348020715 336172 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so i was set off by accidently clicking a win8 article, and at the end i realized the product is expiry dates on software. < 1348020725 759962 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to god-damned work at that. < 1348020804 900626 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://tinyurl.com/6m6ent2 < 1348020840 451586 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 : sounds like same thing as apple does < 1348020876 759703 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: hmm.... i dont see how such dates would actually help people... but it could motivate people to code on the VM level more < 1348020893 638742 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 : it doesn't help people < 1348020897 79933 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or platform independant languages < 1348020922 191976 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it helps microsoft not compete itself to death with old, well designed versions of windows (XP and 7 in particular) < 1348020943 838069 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im still on xp :D < 1348020950 794957 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah exactly < 1348021054 93781 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you end up doing is that you keep your core features in portable C++ then keep doing interface for each crap platform/bunch of libraries du jour as they come and go < 1348021070 247482 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should not have to go down to C just to tell if "read an int from text" actually errored or not. < 1348021134 914118 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm always under the impression the text file IO in C/C++ is crap < 1348021155 150762 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: C++'s is worse. < 1348021168 589801 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is anemic, but it is possible to write correct programs in it. < 1348021205 244194 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erq38.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348021214 562571 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like "C sucks at strings" and "text files = bunch of strings" < 1348021215 988112 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is full-featured, but the only types of errors you have are "bad", "fail" and "eof". And they don't even get used well... < 1348021233 198162 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, sometimes, an EOF will set the fail error condition. < 1348021259 295129 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erq38.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348021279 175643 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least in C, it is possible to handle certain types of errors. < 1348021310 332665 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, you try to read an integer, from text, in... < 1348021310 426801 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about all the stuff like XML and JSON < 1348021320 49657 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C, you'll get told there was a parse error. < 1348021330 488682 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C++, you'll get told there was an error, which could be one of many things. < 1348021357 866806 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to mention, the syntax for C++ IO is itself terrible. < 1348021372 463525 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE GOD DAMNED BITSHIFTING IN AND OUT OF THE IO STREAMS < 1348021380 213678 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha yeah < 1348021394 183464 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so, they set an example for everyone that improper use of operator overloading is proper. < 1348021405 347692 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there better text file IO libs? < 1348021445 723041 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they didn't mess up the vectors and maps < 1348021552 266375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will invent a language where the only conditions are "awesome" and "fail" < 1348021571 152671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will call it... the internet < 1348021575 472201 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ IO is *really damned close* to that. :( < 1348021594 616858 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, C++ only has "good" < 1348021595 573908 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, whoever made the fail() method return true if the failbit *or* the badbit were set, is a dick. < 1348021608 458991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days, to call something merely "good" instead of "awesome" is a serious insult < 1348021641 348956 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for the ranting, but I'm having to do an assignment in C++ again. < 1348021659 558241 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And finding myself actually wishing for the sanity of C. < 1348021677 926084 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I feel wrong writing C-in-C++) < 1348021781 977466 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This makes me think that Maybe is a bad idea, and that Either is probably better. < 1348021792 722456 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap : (Box a -> b -> c) -> (a -> b) -> a -> c; ap x y z = x {z} (y z) < 1348021820 816202 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Maybe's alright for some things. < 1348021829 292620 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esoteric set theory. < 1348021856 355532 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :read_and_parse_and_everything_else :: IO (Maybe [String]) -- is god damned retarded. < 1348021880 394437 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The issue is conflating multiple kinds of errors into one, without *any* way of telling otherwise. < 1348021881 92817 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, in a dynamically typed language, I don't think having the distinction is useful, because if you want a Left that doesn't contain information, it's easy to just stuff it with nil < 1348021902 722749 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Ah. < 1348021904 989453 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kay, yeah. < 1348021926 724980 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that should clearly be ListT (ListT (MaybeT IO)) Char. < 1348021951 462725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is ListT any good? < 1348021983 886683 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember kids: in C++, "no such file", "ran out of disk space", and "parse error" are *basically* the same thing! < 1348021996 247994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come they didn't use exceptions < 1348022148 160496 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, you can turn on exceptions. < 1348022157 75925 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, there are 3 types of exceptions it'll throw. < 1348022160 576397 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail, bad, and eof. < 1348022180 689594 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some things set fail on eof. < 1348022306 873263 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348022331 354768 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1348022344 69402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1348022745 231499 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erq38.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348022812 42199 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erq38.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348023044 677465 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that idea i had.. oh yeah.. after the profile topic it occured to me that another type of programming game genre aside from soccer and battling to the death might be racing < 1348023113 667417 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or metajousting! < 1348023137 131541 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bfjoust is a sort of race, after all < 1348023181 834885 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i forgot, golf is racing < 1348023190 150993 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a more boring name < 1348023199 306885 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is golf racing < 1348023212 298649 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1348023216 428691 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why im not normal! < 1348023220 101828 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i make such analogies < 1348023220 400554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make few strokes? < 1348023232 563050 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goal in golf is usually to do something in less code, not to do it in fewer cycles < 1348023240 942169 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.. if you consider a game like snakes and ladders without the snakes and ladders < 1348023250 42993 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it is boring < 1348023272 595562 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :where.. the uhhh < 1348023283 610283 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1348023295 322555 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :being a strategyless game already < 1348023296 321542 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the inverse of how many hits it takes you to sink the balls < 1348023299 482240 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it already is boring < 1348023316 291335 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether that actually makes real sense i don't know < 1348023402 270991 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the board is 100 tiles, starting at the first "tile" < 1348023419 417146 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. thinks to myself.. i really have to go out.. < 1348023434 855141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why you are not normal! Do you expect people of this channel are very normal? I think not. < 1348023443 138742 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you trying to invent a programming game < 1348023446 306252 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :smell you later < 1348023449 981329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: If the board is 100 tiles and there are no teleports, the game ends in at most 99 moves. < 1348023475 777918 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on average, what, a third of that? < 1348023476 27105 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Assuming a standard six-sided dice) < 1348023487 92961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, yes. < 1348023489 849273 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget what numbers are on the spinner < 1348023519 136676 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know the game with the spinner, or the slice ratios. < 1348023571 824668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you have spinner with different numbers and slice ratios and teleports, then it would be more complicated to determine the mean, median, standard deviation, and so on, as well as the probability of winning from a given position. < 1348023585 64356 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erq38.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ < 1348023618 432225 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1348023621 344969 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it usually uses dice < 1348023623 256869 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1348023632 818509 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no strategy in it < 1348023637 350680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially if you add slices which have multiple numbers on them to the spinner, in which case the player selects the best choice. < 1348023643 300883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, you are correct about that. < 1348023656 444187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking not of strategy but of probability and statistics. < 1348023678 268543 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With teleports it may be possible that higher numbered positions are not always better. < 1348023715 456474 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to make snakes and ladders better, so that it is not completely determined by dice rolls? < 1348023745 232593 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Milton Bradley version of Chutes and Ladders has 100 squares, with 19 chutes and ladders. A player will need an average of 39.6 spins to move from the starting point, which is off the board, to square 100. < 1348023749 432931 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps; I have some ideas: Add cards, and add some ability for the players to use these cards not only to make moves but also to manipulate the teleports. < 1348023779 724788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then the cards are hidden information; also add the backgammon doubling cube. And add multiple pieces per player. < 1348023787 348298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might improve the game. < 1348023787 366817 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :with you, it's always about adding cards! is there a way to do it just changing the board? < 1348023853 752587 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haunting House does a lot of what you say. < 1348023864 551837 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has no dice. < 1348023869 335745 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a racing game. < 1348023883 79378 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has no chutes or ladders, but it does have forced movement < 1348023892 462017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe the standard game prohibits teleports with another teleport at the destination. However, you could generalize the rules to allow it; if you teleport to a teleport, the second teleport is not active (it is only active if you get there by a dice roll). < 1348023931 127649 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I would consider Haunting House a massive rewrite of chutes and ladders < 1348023945 533041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1348023983 993535 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I can think of middle ground: what if a player had cards to let them choose between moving their own piece, or moving the start or end of a ladder or chute to an adjacent (Moore neighborhood) square. < 1348024005 847697 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no dice. Just cards. < 1348024032 634882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is an idea. I don't know quite how well it works, but it is an idea. And then perhaps improvements can be made from that too < 1348024066 367040 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what < 1348024122 573539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think of it right now. But one possibility is the backgammon doubling cube (although you don't have to actually use a cube; you could mark it on paper or whatever). < 1348024134 742649 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it do < 1348024182 615214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On your turn, if you are not the last player to double, you can offer to double the score of the winner. The opponent may accept, in which case the game continues and whoever wins earns double points, or resign, in which case it is not doubled. < 1348024208 375069 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no score in chutes and ladders? < 1348024230 37518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know; when no score is used, a game is worth 1 point. < 1348024240 414411 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1348024304 89531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With your idea of moving the teleports, you could use tiles which are placed on the board and have letters on them so they are paired, and then you have two possibilities to make the game: [1] Snakes remain snakes and ladders remain ladders. [2] Sources remain sources and destinations remain destinations. < 1348024347 741463 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the latter < 1348024440 202773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also a third possibility, where both conditions must hold (and you are not allowed to make a move which results in this changing) < 1348024459 589185 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehhhh < 1348024531 460792 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like possibility [2], though, like you do. < 1348024617 965981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just enumerating some of the possibilities. < 1348024636 205064 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Haunting House pretty much makes all the changes I would make. It's ALMOST everything I would want in a racing game. < 1348024661 385237 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1348024707 644327 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll play you next time i'm in your neighborhood < 1348024743 141012 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the book Winning Ways the authors show how to treat Snakes and Ladders as an impartial game in combinatorial game theory even though it is very far from a natural fit to this category. To this end they make a few rule changes such as allowing players to move any counter any number of spaces, and declaring the winner as the player who gets the last counter home. Unlike the original game, this version, which they call Adders-and-Ladders, inv < 1348024794 92148 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.braingames247.com/playgame/4059/adders-and-ladders.html < 1348024850 452908 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348024880 8861 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348025169 372872 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moving up the snakes and down the ladders is like making a chess variant which is FIDE except the bishops move like FIDE knights and the knights move as FIDE bishops. It is better to simply make the variant modifying the initial position, isn't it? < 1348025358 697582 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i couldn't get the game to run < 1348025360 342119 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course, with snakes and ladders, you generally use a fixed board, so you could use the same game to play the variant where you move up the snakes and down the ladders, instead of using a second board where they are transposed.) < 1348025378 561229 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does make a large difference in amount of time the game takes if you move the snakes and ladders < 1348025380 852588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I can't either, but that isn't important. I just read the description. < 1348025412 410205 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which tells me that just adding a rule that lets you move the sources and destinations would significantly increase the strategy < 1348025432 602697 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes, that is true. Depending on the teleports it does change the average number of moves (like I said, with no teleports at all, the game ends in at most 99 moves) < 1348025468 361010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, yes, adding such a rule could work if done correctly. Using cards that allow it, held in your hand and hidden from the other player, may work. < 1348025484 217518 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but the interesting thing is how you can lengthen the game by adding ladders and shorten a game by adding chutes < 1348025488 531563 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like games that involve skill, chance, and hidden information, together. < 1348025514 905269 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1348025524 816396 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can have a lot of chaos < 1348025526 671726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yes. Like I said before: In the presence of teleports, higher numbered spaces are not always better. < 1348025530 320839 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you remove chance < 1348025563 168941 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance, you like MTG or at least pokemon < 1348025569 944669 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :which does not usually involve chance < 1348025574 793738 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like both Magic: the Gathering and Pokemon. < 1348025590 552241 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1348025593 360530 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have some chance < 1348025601 89342 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of initial deck order < 1348025610 155419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In both games there is chance in shuffling the cards. If playing Limited, there is also chance in what cards you manage to get. < 1348025640 862921 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also in both games there are some cards involving coin tosses (a lot more in Pokemon card, but Magic: the Gathering has a few, too) < 1348025652 760035 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like < 1348025680 24797 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could craft a card game where the players intentionally pick the order of the cards < 1348025688 200708 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would be very strategic < 1348025767 23654 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1348025782 456442 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a game with hidden information, skill, and no chance. < 1348025782 877534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once read about a variant of Magic: the Gathering (it works with Pokemon and other similar card games too) where both players are given equivalent decks but each can choose the initial order of the cards (the opponent won't see them) instead of shuffling. < 1348025793 495631 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes exactly! < 1348025823 95194 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/34887/revolution there is this game < 1348025825 943347 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a betting game < 1348025834 119981 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no chance < 1348025850 142988 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's essentially a complex rock-paper-scissors < 1348025871 286760 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1348025875 423259 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a complex minority game < 1348025885 46817 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mix of the two < 1348025895 233021 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348025896 717010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1348026023 285021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At some anime convention (many years ago, not this year) I have played a game where the board consists of a few areas which are initially set up at random, each player is dealt a single card (from a shuffled deck) which is kept secret, and the rest of game involves no chance and no hidden information. < 1348026108 683149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could win either by accumulating a number of points or by owning properties equal to what your card says (they always total the same ammount). < 1348027544 631027 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds a lot like the discworld game < 1348027561 215548 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that may have randomness? i dont remember < 1348028033 923101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nsfslideshow.asm is written. Now I need to write nsfslideshow.c and then I think my job is finished. < 1348030625 31213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know discworld game. < 1348030669 48230 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah I've invented the worst set of sounds for a constructed language < 1348030744 886709 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :pzeirrvzqmziqwmiqudhuodjaniewudbuiqnwiubewybeuibiwuniusbqwiusqysvwqtysvtwqysgiewhdoiwehiownxioqmmzxiohdknuhfdshkjehlirwmcilwhmcuilrwemcljcfhuwhclmefhumcghiwmr < 1348030827 585450 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's got like everything :o < 1348031451 196303 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't mean to interrupt < 1348031459 570759 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so to spaek < 1348031545 343367 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like an 8 tone system :D < 1348031610 877154 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a¯ a- ah a_ a´ a/ a` a\ (hi, med, med-low-breathy, low, high-rising, low-rising-creaky, high-falling, low-falling) < 1348031926 352161 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 16 vowels : (front) i é è ê a (front rounded) eu u (central) e ù (back rounded) ò o ou (back pharyngeal/wide) êu û (back pharyngeal/wide lax rounded) â ôu < 1348031933 838326 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus nasal vowels ofc < 1348032112 235818 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :29 consonants: p t ts tch k b d g mb nd ng hm hn hgn hrn m n gn rn f s ch h hr v z j gh r < 1348032127 806404 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not counting semi-vowels like y, w) < 1348032153 592897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then, make a file describing what you have. < 1348032198 903333 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at the grammar step... I have all sorts of interesting ideas but it's hard to tie it all together < 1348032236 671795 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least your language will be nicer than esperanto and lojban, but not klingon < 1348032266 981269 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that the rich inventory of sounds makes it possible to keep the words short < 1348032352 322868 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1348032376 291531 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it takes more time to go though a syllable but you have less syllables in words < 1348032458 381289 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the most complicated a syllable can get is consonant + diphthong < 1348032463 298574 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. thinking aloud: natural language io is based on the ear and the mouth. despite each ear and each mouth being unique, they are sufficiently alike to communicate with a common set of rules < 1348032526 926463 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to english where you can get consonant + consonant + consonant + diphthong + consonant + consonant + consonant :D < 1348032554 288021 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that audio communication of natural language is limited to things common to all ears and mouths < 1348032585 140064 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah tends to use the sounds that are easy to pronounce and easy to recognise < 1348032591 403724 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if some mutant human was able to hear ultrasound, then too bad.. noone will be exploiting his ability to hear ultrasound < 1348032611 784575 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if some mutant human was able to speak in ultrasound then too bad < 1348032613 603673 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's surprising diversity in what is easy to pronuonce < 1348032637 38047 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, different languages have different strategies < 1348032697 255453 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some languages concentrate on a few easy, fast sounds, so that lots of syllables isn't a problem < 1348032700 788169 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like japanese < 1348032782 989147 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :others let syllables have a zillion elements so that the information content ramps up quickly < 1348032786 981217 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :english is like that < 1348032941 265960 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet others have like 6 different sources information per syllable, each of which can vary more or less independantly, for a huge number of combinations < 1348033056 648339 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best example is chinanteco where each syllable has consonant, vowel, nasalisation, length, tone, accent, ending glottal stop < 1348033097 83209 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus: well, you're not going to play chords on a flute :D < 1348033112 537133 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: I suggest you mandate that all strings in it are gzip'd. < 1348033113 296699 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1348033134 181910 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1348033163 216779 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually natural language kinda does that a bit < 1348033193 282867 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeats of same information are compressed by being replaced by pronouns < 1348033232 160011 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or by nothing at all! < 1348033241 220821 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more common words are shortened down by slurring, abbreviation, etc < 1348033301 182684 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: also you can get CCCC codas not just CCC < 1348033344 220661 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :texts and stuff like that yeah < 1348033418 184119 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big one in english is that most short words are CVC instead of CV < 1348033426 931943 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a huge boost in number of combinations < 1348033615 12169 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yeah, but still, natural languages have quite low entropy; you should try and reduce that, to make it the worst language. < 1348033618 490757 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1348033740 223392 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it already exists < 1348033741 523528 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or existed < 1348033745 145073 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :called Ubykh < 1348033756 195848 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one's a huge cheat < 1348033761 795042 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies! < 1348033780 95249 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reanalyse dee as "dyuh" < 1348033789 411905 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doo as "dwuh" < 1348033797 899064 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and day as "dya" < 1348033805 949060 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doh as "dwa" < 1348033810 572193 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just thinking about their uvular shit < 1348033814 932016 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin 16 different versions of q < 1348033839 808873 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :repeat for all consonants and you divide your vowels by 3 and multiply your consonants by 3 < 1348033845 892968 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahah < 1348033859 55474 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but theres also georgian < 1348033859 990428 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur: *wince* < 1348033865 979245 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you can definitely get... at least 8 < 1348033867 741921 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gvrtskpvnis! < 1348033978 422563 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :q qh q' * q qw qj... < 1348034011 224097 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more if you allow pharyngeals < 1348034028 101380 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :q' is really hard for me tho < 1348034120 746457 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? huh. its quite easy for me < 1348034180 941796 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uvular fricatives are much easier to me than stops < 1348034268 541162 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :q' and G are really hard imho < 1348034585 641974 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :order of difficulty for me: R > X > N > q > qh > NG > G > q' < 1348034713 756064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know DMSO is a panacea that the FDA is keeping from the people because it's too good for healing injuries? < 1348034743 963745 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heard that kinda story before < 1348034745 446345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that makes so much sense < 1348034782 506180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A page on angelfire.com with a yellow backgroudn and animated GIFs taught me this. < 1348034865 855451 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augur : might depend on the variety of q... seems to me that there's the "kinda like a velarized k" version and the "german ch turned into a stop" version < 1348034908 601926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether dhmo.org was modeled after dmso.org < 1348034987 631459 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1348035456 127739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the "Grotesque" chess game where all the black pieces are on the board, but white only has a king and a pawn (still on its initial square)? < 1348035948 678152 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.103.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348036247 848364 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1348038279 500354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348038885 417189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you know that edwardk uses a type class to make error messages less scary? < 1348039060 542954 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, anyone else who cares but I forget who that is: update < 1348039071 686516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott UPDATE < 1348039071 995367 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1348039285 645680 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1348039339 617610 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1348040054 634936 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1348040594 172373 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348040594 300292 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348040594 350830 :Sanqui!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348041262 47974 :Sanqui!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky JOIN :#esoteric < 1348041262 48105 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1348041262 48182 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1348042162 127387 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348042360 914160 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348042415 967678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348046939 110654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348047338 64407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348047349 999968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348047615 928893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1348047625 173306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348049831 363200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348049843 699360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348050437 521506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :I HAVE NOW, ARRR | Official channel of ESME | ESME is the best programming language. Why have you abandoned ESME? | Do not fret, ESME can forgive you. Give yourself freely to ESME. | PT6TRPA6PM6K | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1348050612 569107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :I HAVE NOW, ARRR | Happy birthday to :-) | Official channel of ESME | ESME is the best programming language. Why have you abandoned ESME? | Do not fret, ESME can forgive you. Give yourself freely to ESME. | PT6TRPA6PM6K | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1348050733 900618 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348050734 617822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1348050748 352080 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@cookness-diamond.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348050879 500603 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348051541 714816 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348052766 88667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine mr. munroe, i give up. < 1348052909 865507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot get to the end of that thing without exhausting my creaky old laptop's swap. _and_ getting my rsi recharged for days. < 1348052989 688386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You quitter. It's just 165888x79872 pixels. < 1348053068 309956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and i was only following the landscape, too; who might know what's deep in the isolated sky or earth? < 1348053086 642364 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie does, doubtless. < 1348053092 130537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1348053099 218095 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's floating whales all the way up there, for example. < 1348053113 947355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as things you'd more normally expect to find in air. < 1348053117 603716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found a jellyfish, although that was close to the ground < 1348053135 350063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, there's that too. < 1348053150 928744 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a couple of "minimaps" around the interwebs. < 1348053157 817128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally. < 1348053168 221360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a very large percentage of the whole space is used. < 1348053176 141754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking! < 1348053186 343190 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://iclub.site40.net/xkcd.html < 1348053216 787726 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348053231 780862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: That one seems to be one of the rather memory-unfriendly ones, seeing that it loads all of the images. < 1348053249 765732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mrphlip.com/xkcd1110/ has clickable separate thumbnails. < 1348053290 113716 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, sometimes I think Munroe only writes the crap xkcds as a front for making the cool ones. < 1348053342 702340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's curious that 11n11w, 11n11e, 11s11w and 11s11e all exist, but seem to be just all-black/all-white squares. < 1348053426 361099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wait, is this a crap or a cool one? < 1348053460 500700 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a cool one with crap elements. < 1348053611 350988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds the small part he actually managed to explore < 1348053614 316343 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be a terribly bad idea to use Notepad++ to edit a Lisp < 1348053626 402848 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION assumes probably < 1348053651 851140 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1348053670 12638 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'd be missing out on tight access to a REPL < 1348053693 92149 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modifying code while it runs is one of the things that draws me to Lisps < 1348053702 79940 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although in Clojure's case it's kind of iffy, really < 1348054094 122874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of the comic, I like how it's all more or less in scale. The big building is clearly Burj Khalifa of Dubai, and comparing to that, the radio mast (KVLY-TV mast of Blanchard, North Dakota) looks to be approximately the right size. (The cave-pyramid doesn't seem to be the Great Pyramid of Giza, though it could be one of the smaller ones.) < 1348054978 270030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1348056752 244438 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have a question about thue < 1348056770 463306 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if there are multiple ways to apply a rule, what happens? < 1348056794 147595 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348056816 130957 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance with the program "aa::=x \n ::= \n aaaa" < 1348056846 77822 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first time the rule is applied, will we get xaa, aax, axa, or xx? < 1348057176 157053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My *guess* would be "any one of the three first options", since the rule selection itself is explicitly nondeterministic, but the documentation doesn't exactly seem to say it out loud. < 1348057253 14553 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it was specified that behaviour in that case is nondeterministic. < 1348057286 959580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reference Python interpreter seems to first make a list of all matches of all rules, and then pick a single match to replace; either the leftmost, rightmost or random, depending on mode. < 1348057312 340691 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1348057336 181635 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was gonna go with "pick a rule at random, try to apply it; if you can't, pick another rule instead" < 1348058486 766632 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that works < 1348058555 789442 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348058770 528305 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348059066 71127 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348059692 658644 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348059899 606087 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1348060124 858158 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1348060319 831256 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348060345 213273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1348060474 683628 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1348060499 969224 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348060924 125510 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348060951 960799 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348061708 575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348061721 955341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348061770 948760 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348062345 710810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348062359 296457 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348062991 360866 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348063786 346854 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org QUIT :Quit: Changing server < 1348063805 893726 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1348063807 365815 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org QUIT :Changing host < 1348063807 422623 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1348065122 292756 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1348065244 289132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, i found some code that looks like: switch (x) { case FOO: ... lbl: ... break; case BAR: ... goto lbl; } < 1348065257 134267 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... < 1348065263 708416 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1348065313 924441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they have four or five case branches with a common suffix of code < 1348065322 819642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... not necessarily how i would write that < 1348065651 326540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348065676 973387 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348065758 450182 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-251.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1348065765 798283 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-251.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1348065823 497594 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning. < 1348065990 97019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348066689 263440 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.103.170 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1348066796 348544 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi boily < 1348067053 423819 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-109.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1348067117 952338 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-109.elisa.ee QUIT :Client Quit < 1348067329 253531 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348067686 313815 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hi. < 1348067813 989956 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-251.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Betelgeuse is 1000 times larger than our sun, but it's only 15-20 solar masses < 1348067820 889020 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-251.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's density must be much lower? < 1348067832 30769 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-251.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet it should produce heavier elements? < 1348068838 505331 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: The density of a star isn't uniform < 1348068876 955637 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-251.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: oh yes of cousre < 1348068878 949210 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-251.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*course < 1348068900 553474 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The heat is making the outer layer expand a lot more < 1348069148 964082 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348069270 34512 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348069271 697089 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Client Quit < 1348069289 11362 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348069315 668894 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1348069479 965623 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1348069593 925207 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348069758 971822 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1348069851 957774 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1348069873 157964 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348069945 103850 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even outer to the outer layer, the density is 0!! < 1348070430 283843 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-212-114.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1348070603 369167 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 6.67 * 26 < 1348070604 391994 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 173.42 < 1348070664 226013 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-212-114.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1348070721 997922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348072197 159897 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348072557 279616 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1348073530 199196 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@esi206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348073693 592281 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1348073698 52505 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@esi206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348073745 751613 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348073813 626482 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348073930 642457 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1348073989 582365 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@esi206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348074163 745687 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348075144 860278 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348076102 624709 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348076616 776261 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348076683 777028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348077384 217593 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1348077427 721568 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348077845 311639 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-62.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348077885 194537 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348077885 380299 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-62.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1348077905 302276 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-62.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348077912 926885 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348077956 996652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348077989 252071 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348078084 548025 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-62.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1348078085 138575 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1348078236 956543 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348078390 949231 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348078851 153903 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-62.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1348078851 698556 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1348078872 917393 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1348079205 266597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so quiet. < 1348079218 193834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1348079218 604299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1348079218 921320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1348079219 223755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1348079219 448417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1348079222 762134 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-62.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, me and lambdabot are livin' it up < 1348079222 823137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@brain < 1348079223 169422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wuh, I think so, Brain, but isn't Regis Philbin already married? < 1348079225 499967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`shachaf < 1348079226 714912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@protontorpedo < 1348079227 87664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it become a mishmash of code? < 1348079245 338226 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :845) elliott___: we have been calling a book new for 2000 years and it took einstein to figure out relativity < 1348079289 796693 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :92) I don't know that I've ever heard apocalypi described in terms of depth ... < 1348079294 225813 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :338) Yeah, I went through a whole series of existential crises when I was 8 or so. < 1348079294 541696 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: shachaf: not found < 1348079296 52609 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :297) [After a long monologue] i think i have to escape this heated discussion before it becomes a flamewar < 1348079296 554134 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :451) rest in peace lambdabot???? monqy: it'll probably be back later nap in peace < 1348079369 2758 :atrapado!~za@2001:470:699e:1::11 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348079417 76944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Are you the ion in http://bash.org/?152037 ? < 1348079498 89243 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don’t think so. < 1348079508 192564 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t remember a “dm” from anywhere. < 1348079689 962260 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348079973 121616 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-251.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348080278 960235 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348080326 726563 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348080586 91856 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348082819 357751 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348082822 25963 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348082977 293032 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-62.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348083001 970747 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-62.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348083329 103135 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-62.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The trials of an obfuscated Haskell author... < 1348083330 390741 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-62.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: < 1348083330 484940 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-62.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : t10 < 1348083330 503561 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-62.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : = < 1348083330 503823 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-62.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : (((t10 -> t0) -> (t0 -> t0) -> t0) < 1348083330 503930 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-62.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : -> (t10 -> t0) -> (t0 -> t0) -> t0) < 1348083816 995873 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348083970 846537 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348083983 210657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348084286 147573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and even outer to the outer layer, the density is 0!! < 1348084297 198143 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1348084336 487622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would expect density 0 doesn't really exist anywhere < 1348084366 918224 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, approximately 0 < 1348084395 375482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely think i read that the outer parts of betelgeuse are less dense than the solar atmosphere around earth's distance < 1348084434 290374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks wikipedia < 1348084437 745631 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that just solely depend on the definition of where the outer parts stop? < 1348084460 76953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you'd say they stop when they stop radiating? < 1348084508 929168 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my knowledge of physics is far too thin to answer that question) < 1348084515 533720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may remember wrong, though < 1348084569 42275 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348084582 359921 :Lara!uid512@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qbvucjzrzttyolcx JOIN :#esoteric < 1348084603 630605 :Lara!uid512@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qbvucjzrzttyolcx PART :#esoteric < 1348084727 619134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Consequently, the average density of this stellar mystery is less than twelve parts-per-billion (1.119 × 10−8) that of the Sun. Such star matter is so tenuous, in fact, that Betelgeuse has often been called a "red-hot vacuum".' < 1348084834 972626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't give a comparison with the solar wind, though < 1348085311 480512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: insufficient unsafeCoerce? < 1348085340 173606 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-62.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, nah, I made a legitimate mistake < 1348085356 638789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, as long as it wasn't illegitimate < 1348085940 952106 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1348086353 275001 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348086379 877564 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr . read <$> words " 0 33 100 108 114 111 87 32 44 111 108 108 101 72" < 1348086381 792807 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\NUL!dlroW ,olleH" < 1348086461 287182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nuldlrow. < 1348087113 296244 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1348087175 712079 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a Ftack program? < 1348087391 733565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :super stack! < 1348087404 976128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well part of one < 1348087429 241199 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-62.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, goodnight! < 1348087440 718709 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-80-62.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348087844 232915 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348087880 594879 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348088792 167762 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches Oerjan as he goes on his daily tablifying spree < 1348088976 209341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1348088998 448535 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tablifting? < 1348089026 213828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lifts three tabs at once  < 1348089186 317416 :atrapado!~za@2001:470:699e:1::11 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348089528 588776 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't sound like a very threatening illicit act, but maybe oerjan is a pro tablifter. < 1348090017 910870 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1348090030 610312 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348090193 104184 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348090820 59158 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Seelp < 1348091296 805193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds that :.,$g/^/.,$s/^/ / in vim actually works to turn vertical lines diagonal :P < 1348091514 408232 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348091911 534157 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b6e.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348092210 932260 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to destress somehow < 1348092261 89818 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why destress when you can distress? < 1348092277 249257 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348092817 378620 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@cookness-diamond.volia.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348093452 772283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudden terrifying insight: Javascript's 'this' is less like C++ or Java 'this' and more like Perl's $_ < 1348093487 158979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not a whole lot like $_, is it? < 1348093546 620977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for example, jQuery.each(collection, function () { this.foo(); }) < 1348093559 815997 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also use an explicit argument if you like < 1348093622 178112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :jQuery does f.call(elem, elem) or something like that? < 1348093627 390910 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1348093634 269943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how you set 'this'? < 1348093653 54595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Normally when you call object.method() it's set automatically to object. < 1348093668 385867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can override it with fn.call(thisval, ...) or fn.apply(thisval, args) < 1348093676 848735 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1348093712 79164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If jQuery does that, I'd call that a jQuery quirk more than a JavaScript thing. < 1348093747 825500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :jQuery conventions are pretty different from JavaScript "conventions". < 1348093752 274692 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1348093758 458286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had the impression this kind of thing was common in javascript < 1348093759 987908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps not < 1348094242 200070 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HATE INTEGRATED VIRTUAL NETWORKS < 1348094269 990043 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really need to lead into it more than that < 1348094278 836963 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that just sounds crazy < 1348094290 505800 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an integrated virtual network anyway? < 1348094295 468799 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a company < 1348094336 360046 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They bought Cybertown back in 2003 and put it on a subscription model. Late last year, they decided to make it free again. January of this year, it went down for a supposed server move, and never came back up. < 1348094338 877869 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, the inverse of a derivative neural network < 1348094344 29954 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*virtual < 1348094348 472919 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're stull officially waiting for news, I think. < 1348097928 194088 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1348099003 990323 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348099425 213369 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348099430 901108 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348100040 75979 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348100146 752794 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you thinking what I'm thinking? < 1348100148 694377 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@brain < 1348100148 882420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I thought Madonna already had a steady bloke! < 1348100300 428216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (659-463) < 1348100301 368085 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 196 < 1348100314 368403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 196 `divMod` 7 < 1348100315 337759 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (28,0) < 1348100323 95961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :COÏNCIDENCE? < 1348100399 559308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (`divMod` 7) [463-463,168-70] < 1348100400 560243 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(0,0),(14,0)] < 1348100413 236000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1348101468 455969 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348101474 441992 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :First Images for a New Duck Hunt Energy < 1348101495 929811 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^First Images in a New Hunt for Dark Energy < 1348101930 166368 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget the Parallel Universe -- Doppelgangers Are Among Us : For example, can you guess which American writer is a dead ringer for Albert Einstein? The celebrated American writer and humorist Samuel Clemens, better known by the pseudonym Mark Twain, bears a striking resemblance to the father of modern science. < 1348101966 502327 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :right... < 1348102718 655955 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348102730 701362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (`divMod` 7) [652-463,19-70] < 1348102731 696497 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(27,0),(-8,5)] < 1348102743 466279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. oh right < 1348102763 551623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (`divMod` 7) [652-463,19-110] < 1348102764 613367 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(27,0),(-13,0)] < 1348102785 649024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1348102947 351407 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: see, and I guess you haven't even checked to see how much alike they looked < 1348102963 370734 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because it sounds stupid < 1348102977 76202 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the very reason why the earth stayed flat for so long! < 1348102990 20869 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348103097 845261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (`divMod` 7) [680-463,229-110] < 1348103098 866383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(31,0),(17,0)] < 1348103287 163002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (`divMod` 7) [715-463,145-110] < 1348103288 248021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(36,0),(5,0)] < 1348103641 883801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (`divMod` 7) [715-463,194-110] < 1348103643 75416 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(36,0),(12,0)] < 1348103653 970345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (`divMod` 7) [715-463,82-110] < 1348103655 154578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(36,0),(-4,0)] < 1348103752 827953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (`divMod` 7) [484-463,3-110] < 1348103753 925264 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(3,0),(-16,5)] < 1348103756 284519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (`divMod` 7) [484-463,33-110] < 1348103757 353012 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(3,0),(-11,0)] < 1348103955 286035 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-147-76.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348104167 693008 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348104196 92015 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348104260 827695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (`divMod` 7) [729-463,278-110] < 1348104261 812005 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(38,0),(24,0)] < 1348104676 285983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (`divMod` 7) [589-463,334-110] < 1348104677 340664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(18,0),(32,0)] < 1348104770 341405 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348104990 204662 :JaBoJa|2!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348105175 998454 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@esi206.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1348106953 996866 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1348107781 467121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348108046 914848 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348108381 426216 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: a flat earth is ideal. a round earth is, to use my choice of words, dissapointing < 1348108403 891275 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if impractical < 1348108411 380072 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that flat earth isnt that great < 1348108422 893401 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if it was a finite flat earth < 1348108426 121901 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea that I could take my bike and ride in ANY direction and still be sure I will always meet new people is kind of comforting < 1348108463 794287 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand, riding in a random direction and ending up falling off the side of the flat earth... :( < 1348108466 708516 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: this is a great example of what i meant when i said the universe is dissapointing < 1348108480 867032 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make space programs much less cheaper, of course < 1348108525 955585 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"let's send a chimpanzee into space!" *push* "done" < 1348108555 815213 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find that learning the true state of things tends to be boring and dissapointing < 1348108656 25010 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, when it comes to notions of afterlife, i believe that people aren't meta enough about it < 1348108686 816947 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had that thought earlier < 1348108689 666579 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came home < 1348108697 105506 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the neighbour's cat jumped into the garden < 1348108708 229717 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I opened the door, and it came in with me < 1348108721 998226 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's veeeery curious so it wants to explore every door < 1348108747 133078 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when I had to go to the toilets I didn't let it enter < 1348108750 581671 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1348108770 790488 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess now it must be thinking "there's something fascinating about that door! I wonder what's behind" < 1348108784 280756 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause it's the only room he's not allowed to enter < 1348108806 691032 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's the same about the universe < 1348108819 320841 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's so much fuss about dark matter and stuff we know nothing about < 1348108828 479443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a bonus, my last proof may teach some others to hate internal window scrollbars. < 1348108867 861650 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean your last WOAH JOLVERINE < 1348108888 115897 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. i have yet to get answers about why complexity leads to conciousness, why observing things creates conciousness, < 1348108894 72413 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what red is < 1348108903 641900 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what five is < 1348108913 271107 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the wiki policy when it comes to choosing between "Jolverine_Turing-completeness_proof" and "Jolverine/Turing-completeness_proof" < 1348108937 282213 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter because it makes us look smart. < 1348108949 711209 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348108950 416114 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348108950 540780 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348108950 643879 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348108950 786911 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348108950 868889 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT 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:oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i should sleep < 1348109588 567464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good time of day < 1348109634 866144 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then massive tidying the house up cause it really needs it and then at 3pm I gotta go to that incarcerated people association and tonight I must watch that horror movie a friend lend me SLEEPING IS FOR LOSERS WHO NEEDS IT < 1348109646 307653 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348109648 834787 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 QUIT :Quit: that's dr. turing to you, punk < 1348110121 745922 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348110480 263261 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348110672 661728 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348110763 196139 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite right < 1348111587 975929 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348111604 143273 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348111865 932045 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1348112052 728267 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348112836 963874 :JaBoJa|2!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl NICK :JaBoJa < 1348112953 368728 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of dissapointments, is the lack of humanoids or reptiles on mars or the moon, and also, the lack of any kind of islands in the clouds (but i presume noone ever expected that) < 1348113237 627217 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are islands in the clouds in early summer morning, when a fog is on the water. < 1348115641 827015 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348115653 136526 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello back < 1348117551 702567 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1348117667 287161 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348118074 57502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I greppeded logs on the "any /subpages in the main namespace" topic, and at least back when it was discussed once the idea was that there'd be none. < 1348118084 605042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that might have changeded. < 1348118117 667694 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1348118143 949004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some talk on how subpages would interact with articles/languages that have /s in the names. < 1348118214 207466 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-147-76.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1348118326 269724 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah I got confused with that < 1348118473 505846 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348118516 238921 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348118852 216909 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1348120601 833245 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348120812 993253 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348120879 428936 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348120938 135415 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348120995 885921 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348121054 82170 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348122016 913015 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348122132 816507 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348122553 425823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/73258510/sad-pictures-for-children/posts/311890 < 1348122588 247815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1348122597 378532 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1348122603 215391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice talk by roconnor about dependent types today. < 1348122606 906811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pity you missed it. < 1348122804 98384 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :URL? < 1348122837 722272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i gave a talk today, about kernel exploits < 1348122843 606701 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :URL? < 1348122852 404588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, did you end up updating it? < 1348122857 140454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: t0rch.org < 1348122859 690777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ugcs.net/~keegan/talks/kernel-exploit/talk.pdf < 1348122860 970726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no. < 1348122862 398518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, a bit < 1348122865 329697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, yes. < 1348122923 382785 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, although a video would be nice. < 1348122950 490339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The r6 talk wasn't filmed. < 1348122951 974870 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348123014 22438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually we had a double talk about dependent types and then NixOS. < 1348123153 485985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "how many times have I called exec" seems like a bizarre way of preventing this sort of bug. < 1348123304 353781 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348123370 324085 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348123585 259894 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, I've liked the idea behind NixOS < 1348123606 38674 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: that's dr. turing to you, punk < 1348124046 661988 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348124459 192351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes! < 1348124463 367632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, I'm sad I missed NixOS < 1348124470 817447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just today I was telling people how cool the idea behind Nix is < 1348124479 746094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we = some group in SF? < 1348124483 714975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahaskell < 1348124487 168203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1348124488 584835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was at Stanford this time. < 1348124511 995429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently roconnor has actually been running NixOS as his primary OS for years. < 1348124516 283604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1348124521 271913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1348124529 115427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1348124533 486116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION might try it sometime. < 1348127852 68777 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why was I under the impression that it's impossible to write a Functor in Haskell that breaks the Functor laws? < 1348127870 34368 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could swear I saw a typeclass that had laws that couldn't be broken in Haskell without cheating. < 1348127892 997730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By definition, you can't write a Functor instance that breaks the Functor laws without cheating. < 1348127957 424301 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about if I redefine "cheating" to mean "using any function whose name in the standard library begins with "unsafe"" < 1348127967 832793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway lots of instances break the Functor laws. < 1348127989 222132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (undefined :: Int -> Int) `seq` () < 1348127990 370753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1348127993 926092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (fmap id (undefined :: Int -> Int)) `seq` () < 1348127995 54049 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : () < 1348128051 882088 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1348128373 400503 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348128444 838018 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the thing is that some typeclasses might have laws enforced by Haskell's type system, and a translation to Clojure would be incomplete without mentioning the laws that now won't be statically enforced. < 1348128707 346629 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-138-52.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348129948 237836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348130008 305999 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348130017 94759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice timing < 1348130043 474946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just read your sleeping is for losers remark < 1348130080 447653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: ^ < 1348130125 330430 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1348130146 804774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess he fell asleep again < 1348130200 264673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : There was some talk on how subpages would interact with articles/languages that have /s in the names. < 1348130234 807004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me, has elliott got /// fixed again? :P < 1348130255 953553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. < 1348130287 417334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would "fixed" mean? http://esolangs.org/wiki//// working? That sounds quite ambitious. < 1348130297 446153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it worked before! < 1348130309 643269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's even a link on the main page, which used to work < 1348130334 137249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then at some point it stopped. < 1348130400 908023 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348130414 133797 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello again < 1348130708 525805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi de ho < 1348130788 244351 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-174-33.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1348130847 216887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Why was I under the impression that it's impossible to write a Functor in Haskell that breaks the Functor laws? < 1348130856 442068 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348130873 794653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think you automatically get the rest if you have fmap id = id < 1348130883 648260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1348130893 657713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But "fmap id = id" is a pretty huge requirement. :-) < 1348130919 983060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1348130997 284929 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-212-114.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1348131045 107011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmap (fmap id) = id < 1348132222 748001 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :If cat could be used as programming language (like described here: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Cat ) then where it reads data from. I've always thought it reads from stdin, but in this case it reads from the script, not console from which I call the script. < 1348132251 457083 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any other input stream for interpreter input? < 1348132379 366561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JaBoJa: i would call cat a language without input. < 1348132437 326431 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I'm wondering why does it work, while my program copying from cin to cout does not work as an interpreter. < 1348132438 372592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since other languages without input behave essentially the same < 1348132475 786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well your interpreter takes the program as _its_ input. < 1348132481 6746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say that works. < 1348132590 927712 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how should I write own cat? < 1348132594 993987 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meow) < 1348132600 893620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my unlambda in unlambda interpreter works similarly. and then takes the input of the program as what's remaining. (this technically disallows comments and whitespace at the end of the program i guess.) < 1348132675 820825 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JaBoJa: well if you _can_ read from file you should probably support a filename argument < 1348132685 277258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise, just copy input to output. < 1348132695 827403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're not very strict on these matters here :P < 1348132761 74661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Cat Program article is mostly there as somewhere to link to from cat programs written in _other_ esolangs, though. < 1348132849 68213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JaBoJa: you could look at ///, it is rather similar to Cat, except that a couple of characters _don't_ just get copied to output. < 1348132933 207258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that implementation just uses perl's <> operator, which conveniently takes filenames on the command line but defaults to stdin if none are given < 1348132995 154478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, the $_ = join '', <>; < 1348133013 585189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :command reads whichever files into the $_ variable < 1348133088 667186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact if you replaced the entire while loop with just print $_; that would be a good cat (although perl can do that even simpler) < 1348133143 762392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JaBoJa: most esolang cat programs just copy input to output, anyway < 1348133166 362611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only a few esolangs support file input :) < 1348134555 356902 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading from file seems to be the only way to write own interpreter. At least under the Linux I'm using. < 1348134935 758924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that makes no sense. < 1348135001 670214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you haven't described what you are trying to do, besides that it'll be a cat. < 1348135485 647151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :SORRY, WE'RE OUT | Official channel of ESME | ESME is the best programming language. Why have you abandoned ESME? | Do not fret, ESME can forgive you. Give yourself freely to ESME. | PT6TRPA6PM6K | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1348136529 281592 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348138260 716339 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ < 1348138898 210752 :JaBoJa!~JaBoJa@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348138941 963276 :JaBoJa|!~JaBoJa@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348138942 150368 :JaBoJa!~JaBoJa@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348139764 249296 :JaBoJa|!~JaBoJa@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl NICK :jaboja < 1348139953 982897 :JaBoJa|!~JaBoJa@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348139954 77139 :jaboja!~JaBoJa@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348139962 408211 :JaBoJa|!~JaBoJa@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl NICK :jaboja < 1348139972 208907 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348140003 897993 :JaBoJa|!~JaBoJa@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348140003 991900 :jaboja!~JaBoJa@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348140082 442661 :JaBoJa|!~JaBoJa@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1348140108 877104 :JaBoJa!~JaBoJa@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348140109 64724 :JaBoJa|!~JaBoJa@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348140114 294611 :JaBoJa!~JaBoJa@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1348140153 858941 :JaBoJa|!~JaBoJa@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348140154 46228 :JaBoJa!~JaBoJa@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348140161 845252 :JaBoJa|!~JaBoJa@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl NICK :jaboja < 1348140309 552652 :jaboja!~JaBoJa@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do there exist any peyo-c (or c++) implementation? < 1348140637 572776 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1348140873 187342 :jaboja!~JaBoJa@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348140879 900039 :JaBoJa!~JaBoJa@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348140902 592654 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348140907 46122 :JaBoJa!~JaBoJa@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Client Quit < 1348140911 455426 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348142459 108461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1348142848 947403 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348142997 35675 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-147-76.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348143281 835259 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1348143602 70001 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-147-76.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348145615 149339 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan was it with you I discussed how queues were not as fitted as stacks for functional use? I was reading the Random language TC stuff and I realized a queue can be implemented as a pair of stacks (one where to push and one where to pop) so it works just as fine :) < 1348145615 575420 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1348145665 81153 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1348146529 753131 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348146537 285872 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348146542 765604 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1348146542 900205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1348146565 402326 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I forgot about that one! < 1348146567 179957 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehehe < 1348146573 88587 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia said 6d 21h 41m 7s ago: hi < 1348146825 740217 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348147482 553626 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1348147799 328132 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348148082 679537 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1348148095 187423 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1348148137 593038 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348148309 716097 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348148756 909647 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348149112 571991 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348149708 284663 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348151339 170884 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348152852 211956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cnn.com today is running important stories like "How to wait in an iPhone 5 line" and "Dog hates his new shoes" < 1348152870 442873 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1348152998 311748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm always amazed how apple manages to convince the "news"media to run hours of free advertisements for their products < 1348154551 286074 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-75-69.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348154558 705056 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-75-69.opaltelecom.net NICK :atriq < 1348154608 737449 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the news will do anything for a story < 1348154612 441916 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-75-69.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different computer, different settings < 1348154614 930735 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh < 1348154635 290007 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-75-69.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, this computer doesn't right now have a mouse < 1348154651 775376 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh we had the news showing people lining up for iphone 5 here < 1348154759 356310 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-75-69.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1348154768 132527 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348154772 107298 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-75-69.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone know how I can rig up an XBox controller to work as a mouse? < 1348155161 741234 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats an odd question. why not use a mouse? < 1348155171 60968 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-75-69.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brother stole my mouse < 1348155193 924901 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-75-69.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1348155212 179546 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.... cool... life's fun < 1348155631 275110 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :another question is is it possible to rig up some keys on your keyboard to work as a mouse < 1348155640 140802 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you can replace it < 1348155644 896477 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-75-69.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it is < 1348155654 407203 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-75-69.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to actually use this XBox controller < 1348155665 914056 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just that xbox tends to be a microsoft thing < 1348155710 278809 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i have been reading lately, in directx they have replaced directinput with xinput which is designed for xbox360 controllers < 1348155739 636322 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google xbox controller as mouse < 1348155740 803522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.instructables.com/id/Use-an-Xbox-360-controller-as-a-mouse/ < 1348155740 991347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Use an Xbox 360 Controller as a Mouse < 1348155782 340686 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :" While this might not seem practical, it is handy when you don't have a suitable surface to use a regular mouse on. For example, when the computer you need to operate is hooked up to the TV in your living room running a bunch of emulators" worth a look < 1348155883 336727 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-75-69.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use that link < 1348155886 427031 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-75-69.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't click it < 1348155985 743545 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm anyway its targetting windows users < 1348155992 918052 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1348156004 207270 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-75-69.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My googling indicated that most users of Ubuntu < 1348156009 499417 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-75-69.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have the opposite problem < 1348156025 843608 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a mouse as an xbox controller? < 1348156040 244824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: wired xbox controllers are standard USB HID devices < 1348156046 629355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :both the original xbox and the 360 < 1348156058 292183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the original they used a weird physical connector but in the 360 they went to the normal USB plug < 1348156069 751810 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-75-69.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, using an XBox controller as not a mouse < 1348156071 948079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also get a USB adapter for the 360 wireless controllers... i don't know if its interface is standard < 1348156112 510079 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-75-69.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one's USB < 1348156132 574119 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dread the thought that if i want to stick with windows that i may have to oneday upgrade from xp < 1348156135 953184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so just search for using a generic usb joystick as a mouse < 1348156235 528945 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think consensus is that 7 is not terrible. < 1348156248 777301 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But who knows, maybe in 2020 ReactOS will be half usable < 1348156305 65862 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way i see it, customers losing out is a natural consequence of the practice of business < 1348156399 197734 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i think what happens is customers feel pain or suffering whenever a pricetag is placed between them and the things they desire < 1348156469 458042 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so business operates by separating consumers from as many desirable things as possible with pricetags < 1348156472 241939 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-75-69.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1348156486 224912 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348156503 732463 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net NICK :atriq < 1348156512 463449 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Power cut :/ < 1348156529 424675 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so you're a person I should have been updating < 1348156534 652305 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ironically a healthy planet and mentally healthy society is a desirable thing < 1348156539 94276 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I utterly didn't realize atriq = Taneb < 1348156546 133245 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore business separates us from it with pricetags < 1348156559 480268 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it was in the topic the other week < 1348156567 61931 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot < 1348156638 86464 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No problem < 1348157034 746863 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348157151 937146 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348158144 862217 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348158210 12293 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348158460 163581 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348158804 865502 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348159823 866845 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1348159844 269469 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1348159850 178075 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1348160759 838986 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :>++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+++++++..+++.[-]>+++++[<++++++>-]<+++. < 1348160806 876321 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf >++++++++[<+++++++++>-]<.+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.+++++++..+++.[-]>+++++[<++++++>-]<+++. < 1348160809 371667 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1348160896 201123 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :We eat clay | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1348161039 231839 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348161270 276422 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-138-52.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1348161733 755295 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor < 1348161832 58619 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348161840 153079 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'allo. < 1348161859 65016 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348161872 847486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, clay. < 1348161893 331131 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348161904 997444 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Claylicious! < 1348161916 572879 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tastes just like inorganic matter and sadness. < 1348162104 501783 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, did you get clay on the pants of Narcissus? < 1348162141 452531 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heck no! The Enchanting Pants of Narcissus remain 100% clean and amazing. < 1348162154 345750 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh thank god < 1348162280 280431 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :All four pair. < 1348162284 168316 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're quite popular. < 1348162288 839115 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of buying more. < 1348162570 434248 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, The purpose of science is to serve mankind. You seem to regard science as some kind of dodge ... or hustle. Your theories are the worst kind of popular tripe, your methods are sloppy, and your conclusions are highly questionable! < 1348162654 415833 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1348162672 140931 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was that addressed at me, or some other Taneb who actually sciences? < 1348162687 499975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't wanna talk to a scientist, y'all motherfuckers lyin' and gettin' me pissed < 1348162701 808861 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just a quote and i had to address it at someone < 1348162852 848901 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only other Taneb is a dead racehorse < 1348162858 242318 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :some article "Fake Scientists We (Maybe) Wish Were Real in Pictures" < 1348162861 191583 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is in fact a quote from Ghostbusters. < 1348162913 261678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :17 awesomest nostalgic pop-culture references < 1348162967 895804 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg you were into popular things as a child??? me too!!! < 1348162981 103879 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the popular things back then were so much better than the popular things now < 1348163000 382203 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was only ever into unpopular things < 1348163009 50679 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Cubix < 1348163022 253373 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its inconcievable that the popular things of today are as good as the popular things of several decades ago < 1348163025 374896 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnit < 1348163058 301565 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-191.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1348163062 131140 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1348163358 369929 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1348163369 957345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm into obscure, nerdy things like video games and sci-fi action movies < 1348163387 282561 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day society will accept me and then there will be a big industry for video games and sci-fi movies < 1348163428 299390 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Some day, in the far off year of 2012. < 1348163448 472704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the distant future, the year 2000 < 1348163450 241873 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was asking for that < 1348163451 585982 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now if you will excuse me, I've got an appointment for a swirly; can't miss, or worse things shall happen! < 1348163461 840581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1348163536 53173 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Have you *seen* 60s TV? < 1348163577 158062 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm... maybe some reruns.. but im not even sure what 60s TV is < 1348163584 64684 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348163586 161973 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its possible i haven't < 1348163603 319799 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gilligan's Island is an example of a show that was popular in the 60s. < 1348163608 873518 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i've seen the brady bunch... < 1348163616 432869 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another example. < 1348163620 133726 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1348163628 774747 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that was early 70s. < 1348163631 347532 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude. Gilligan's Island is amazing. You'd better not be dissing Gilligan's Island. < 1348163635 961397 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1348163639 94906 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be a Professor of Everythingology. < 1348163650 202436 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1348163664 403554 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :also.. ahh what else do i see on.. the love boat, bewitched, i dream of jeannie < 1348163696 242931 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348163707 813585 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Anyways. Many media have actually been improving *dramatically* with passing years. < 1348163725 972084 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that i can't stand most shows made this decade < 1348163738 880486 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-191.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1348163742 323085 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1348163744 141552 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i liked tv when it was less real < 1348163745 946202 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1348163746 902778 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, once upon a time TOS was considered legitimately good, not just campy and silly. < 1348163764 172081 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Sturgeon's Law dictates that that will pretty much always be true. < 1348163771 637853 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :99% of everything is, in fact, crap. < 1348163794 864919 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like seeing people behaving realistically on tv... it makes me cringe < 1348163801 658897 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1348163820 56192 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you prefer they behave? < 1348163826 659992 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think people act realistically on tv? (Just pseudo-realistically) < 1348163830 899865 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, counterpoint, Star Trek since DS9. < 1348163860 961744 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... psuedo realism is really ugly < 1348163871 169408 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ugh. < 1348163884 34703 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: They took a mind-blowingly popular franchise and fucked it up. < 1348163902 368007 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i think people in 2012 sitcomso about young adults act like sociopaths < 1348163943 879370 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some imagined value of sociopaths < 1348163972 398331 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've never read the tvtropes page on comedic sociopathy have you < 1348163981 889846 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i have not < 1348163991 853285 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please do it < 1348164020 846787 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(seriously, TNG's ratings were stellar for pretty much of its run. Which is kinda amazing, considering this is a show that was made because some people liked a 60s TV show a *bit* too much.) < 1348164039 204330 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't TOS pretty early to the whole "science fiction as metaphor for real social issues" thing, as far as TV goes < 1348164064 689376 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: As far as TV shows go, it's like the second show to do it. < 1348164072 323794 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the first being, of course, Twilight Zone) < 1348164083 640987 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, when it wasn't s/science fiction/fantasy/) < 1348164084 512346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 twilight zone < 1348164091 690541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, not much point distinguishing the two really < 1348164091 957466 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, <3 Twilight Zone. < 1348164116 522217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of TZ episodes are less traditionally sci-fi or traditionally fantasy and more what you might call magical realism < 1348164123 297272 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when you're using it to shine a light into social issues... < 1348164139 573099 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348164143 941670 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to consider "magical realism" a form of "fantasy", but then my notion of "fantasy" is fairly broad. < 1348164157 814206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have a distinction between fantasy and sci-fi? < 1348164159 872849 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: :D i actually like a lot of these shows.. i must be thinking of some cousin of this phenomena < 1348164175 783057 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think maybe what i don't like is dramatic sociopathy if it exists < 1348164179 653813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantasy is sci-fi with elves; sci-fi is fantasy in space < 1348164186 625346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure someone has made something with space elves < 1348164189 437372 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well for hard sci-fi Sam Hughes' definition that "it matters how things work" is acceptable. < 1348164198 627566 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought fantasy should have medieval elements < 1348164205 993615 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But space opera is basically just fantasy with a different flavour, yes. < 1348164213 281537 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's probably incorrect, because start wars does have medieval elements < 1348164217 235700 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*star < 1348164219 309075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some magic-and-elves fiction goes deep into how magic "works" < 1348164234 764479 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Ish. < 1348164241 756018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i expect so, it's not really my cup of tea) < 1348164256 58493 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :seinfeld, MASH, the young ones, manage to be some of my favorite shows < 1348164273 200949 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Some "sci-fi" is definitely a totally different sort of thing from fantasy, some "sci-fi" is so blatantly fantasy that the only reason it's not called that is IN SPAAACE. < 1348164294 914926 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :space has a terrible power < 1348164309 775331 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, oftentimes Trek is space fantasy, in my estimation. < 1348164318 823007 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: there may be mroe going on in my aversion to certain shows than i accounted for < 1348164323 489099 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^more < 1348164325 923514 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(often, hell. Usually.) < 1348164348 400217 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Star Trek were hard sci-fi, Spock could not be alive. < 1348164369 269296 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1348164375 229246 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star Trek is ALWAYS space fantasy. < 1348164383 868120 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vulcans have copper-based blood. Humans have iron-based blood. Spock is half-human half-Vulcan. Need I say more. < 1348164410 880579 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Actually... Yeah, pretty much. < 1348164418 136051 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it ever nudged towards hard sci-fi. < 1348164420 736777 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technobabble is magic but with -ium and -on at the end. < 1348164423 173043 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i think it may be that i don't like any modern sitcom which is not comedic sociopathy < 1348164429 389212 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More magic in space. < 1348164460 52044 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why fantasy should have a medieval elements? It is common, because people are copying existing themes but I've read fantastic books without any medieval elements. Sometimes making use of existing comtemporary magical believs is enough to make a story an interesting fantasy book. < 1348164484 795060 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JaBoJa: I concur. < 1348164510 216787 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348164594 681258 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather, i like most of the shows listed under tvtropes SadistShow < 1348164643 595092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"medieval" typically implies european, too < 1348164664 810493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :versus fantasy based on old shit from asia, middle east, africa, aboriginal australia, etc. < 1348164667 839718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of which can be fun < 1348164685 458467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be noted that i don't actually read much sf/f and just have vague ideas of what's out there < 1348164727 328936 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sf often has elements of old cultures too, eg. star trek has romulus and remus which is obviously based on the Roman culture < 1348164736 186245 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of other old < 1348164740 397869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blastr.com/2009/10/ron-moore-calls-star-trek.php < 1348164740 490837 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're missing quite a bit of good stuff, and absolute tons of shit. :) < 1348164783 3578 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Utterly unsurprising. < 1348164784 850462 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is battlestar galactica any good if you liked ds9 btw < 1348164859 777094 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new BSG was good for the first few seasons. < 1348164870 961506 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, like all new sci-fi, it turned into soap opera in space.. < 1348164882 358687 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then into rather bad soap opera in space. < 1348164885 471322 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last season was utter, unforgivable garbage. < 1348164898 71823 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same happened to SG:U woooh X_X < 1348164918 970868 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SG:U made it ALMOST a whole season before turning into soap opera in space. Almost.) < 1348164931 32021 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect they ended up using just about all the vitality the Stargate franchise had in it. < 1348164944 745637 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering SG1 ran for 10 god-damned seasons. < 1348164987 857224 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did anything not turn into soap opera in space? < 1348165010 432013 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, SG1 had hardly any space in it. :P < 1348165066 233240 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SG1 came dangerously close once or twice, but managed to stay OK. < 1348165072 807507 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Roughly the same goes for Atlantis. < 1348165077 653840 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nothing pre-2000ish did. < 1348165087 313368 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a recent phenomenon, for the most part. < 1348165123 214373 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they should make a series focusing on the mechanics of space battles < 1348165161 706425 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soooo, they should get Niven to do a TV series? < 1348165176 185886 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :u < 1348165177 498421 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :h < 1348165189 862713 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :niven didn't really go into precise space combat technicalities < 1348165209 905637 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. Duh. I dunno why I was thinking that. < 1348165216 217742 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess im thinking of like ... say.. space invaders < 1348165239 33473 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or better yet, an asteroids based on war < 1348165252 576323 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Realistic space combat is somewhat hard to televise... < 1348165257 828362 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :read project rho, it has basically everything of import mixed with a dash of snide superiority and racist undertones < 1348165260 485851 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only problem with this idea is that they need people to actually watch the shows. < 1348165263 890678 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could called it spacewar < 1348165267 767295 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think actual space combat will be quite different from space invaders < 1348165270 587868 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Secondarily, they usually want the shows to be remotely watchable in the first place. < 1348165272 80466 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What with the typical expectation being "FIGHTERS IN SPAAAACE" < 1348165283 217350 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, TOS wasn't that far off because they never had the budget to show two ships anywhere near each other. < 1348165289 322206 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Hah. < 1348165304 84008 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice observation, actually. < 1348165321 227722 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why of course, i got it off tv tropes < 1348165333 431231 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TAS actually did that, though. < 1348165337 555238 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(source, I watched TAS) < 1348165402 561266 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think multiplayer asteroids sums up best what i mean < 1348165406 495133 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, E17... < 1348165421 861985 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They recently announced a date *to announce the release date* of E17. < 1348165425 158420 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :except in 3d with fancy raycasting < 1348165455 858611 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Had they previously announced on which day they would make this announcement? :) < 1348165473 128510 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No. < 1348165477 757307 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*snaps* < 1348165564 125737 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: and then put the opponent a couple of light-years away < 1348165574 246799 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1348165580 547786 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1348165587 227486 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :realistic space combat! < 1348165600 857189 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : They recently announced a date *to announce the release date* of E17. < 1348165610 1572 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's standard practice these days, haven't you heard < 1348165629 292603 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that's just stupid < 1348165646 834479 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's occuring to me as i type this that space combat games were a thing and that i just missed it altogether < 1348165685 494488 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wing commander, all the 3d starwars games made before the release of episode 1 < 1348165697 143578 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348165697 365836 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: indeed < 1348165773 783623 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thunderbirds < 1348165796 342102 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, freespace 2 < 1348165802 694827 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody remembers freespace 2 < 1348165814 197079 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does that name sound familiar though.. < 1348165827 224701 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if my brother ever played it < 1348165835 714993 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1348165860 166414 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :just imagining things < 1348165956 361493 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348166317 736088 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1348166332 492247 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1348167115 378780 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348167787 401325 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't think E17 pays attention to standard practice. < 1348167794 585014 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's in its second decade of development. < 1348167958 101907 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/usr/bin/rev < 1348167958 197088 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric : !dlrow olleH < 1348168002 517678 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(reverse variant of cat language) < 1348168098 272157 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348168495 567360 :xiaoding1!~GaoMing@58.199.170.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348168510 984283 :xiaoding1!~GaoMing@58.199.170.73 PART :#esoteric < 1348168512 619411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes tie fighter <3 < 1348168524 948601 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had some janky third-party level editor for tie fighter < 1348168531 271822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was fun as hell < 1348168538 770461 :xiaoding1!~GaoMing@58.199.170.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348168540 749620 :xiaoding1!~GaoMing@58.199.170.73 PART :#esoteric < 1348168549 862581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a bunch of star destroyers show up and start shooting at each other for no reason < 1348168739 405002 :xiaoding1!~GaoMing@58.199.170.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348168843 345365 :xiaoding1!~GaoMing@58.199.170.73 PART :#esoteric < 1348169277 426858 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, in FS2 they call that Battle of Endor Syndrome. < 1348169312 222489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348169346 552620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348169549 679827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :We eat clay | No I don't! Well hardly any. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1348169610 83297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1348169610 377007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen said 6h 39m 55s ago: was it with you I discussed how queues were not as fitted as stacks for functional use? I was reading the Random language TC stuff and I realized a queue can be < 1348169610 500266 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :implemented as a pair of stacks (one where to push and one where to pop) so it works just as fine :) < 1348169610 520166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 5h 32m 13s ago: you could have just reminded me rather than making a bunch of edits I'll have to revert < 1348169657 773404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott *MWAHAHAHA* ok i promise to revert them when you fix it. < 1348169658 15422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1348169671 377885 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, the stacks in that case would have to tied together in the middle, which is difficult, I think < 1348169678 729816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1348169742 186876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: when the pop stack is empty you need to shuffle the entire push stack onto it. < 1348169900 60033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's a working method, we've discussed it here before. < 1348169953 434968 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shuffling's probably O(n) < 1348169959 613651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ? < 1348170028 291650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. athewordthatalwaysslipsmymind O(1) in _average_ per pop & push operation, though. < 1348170087 608597 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, yeah < 1348170127 507859 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shufflign? < 1348170129 719039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fingertrees are supposed to have O(1) push and pop. i'm not sure if that's just average, though. < 1348170132 569268 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's just reverse < 1348170147 547533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i mean shuffle as in move over < 1348170163 237789 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if front is empty and back is of length n, then when you reverse back into front you're ok for the next n pops < 1348170197 376438 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348170227 114288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. it works. but it may not be good enough if you need realtime behavior. < 1348170287 221122 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 2-stack method is fast but with irregular pauses < 1348170321 533596 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :push x (front, back) = (front, x :: back) pop (h :: t, back) = (h, (t, back)) pop ([], []) = error pop ([], back) = pop (List.rev back, []) < 1348170416 926587 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :List.rev is O(n) < 1348170422 962503 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where the slowness is < 1348170427 50750 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: ? < 1348170440 683864 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, he's referring to FS2/Battle of Endor Syndrome < 1348170443 191957 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making your own missions and just having a bunch of massive ships plugging away at each other. < 1348170456 755862 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With no way for the player to meaningfully influence the outcome. < 1348170751 542177 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348170814 175324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :We eat clay | No I don't! Well hardly any. | Taneb is atriq just so you know | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1348170927 198758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :We eat clay | No I don't! Well hardly any. | Taneb is atriq just so you know | My other Taneb is a dead racehorse | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1348171211 503381 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net NICK :atriq < 1348171257 66215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU RUINED THE TOPIC < 1348171269 269722 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1348171270 661170 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINE < 1348171272 924313 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BE THAT WAY < 1348171282 902730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always. < 1348171310 854993 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net TOPIC #esoteric :We eat clay | No I don't! Well, hardly any. | Taneb is atriq, just so you know | My other Taneb is a dead racehorse | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1348171317 20884 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was bugging me < 1348171334 276558 :ion!ion@heh.fi TOPIC #esoteric :We eat clay | No I don't! Well, hardly any. | 我能吞下粘土而不伤身体。| Taneb is atriq, just so you know | My other Taneb is a dead racehorse | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1348171493 820221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn single-spacists < 1348171504 218571 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the commas < 1348171682 176219 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1348171726 787367 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but but < 1348171738 204816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't the protagonists on the forest moon of endor have a critical influence on the outcome? < 1348171846 991105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is the word "amortized"? < 1348171862 488434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1348171876 178607 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to be careful about distinguishing between average-case analysis and amortized analysis, though < 1348171898 708177 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"amortized O(1)" means that even in the worst case, a sufficiently long series of operations is *guaranteed* to average out to O(1) < 1348171974 292268 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if xe're still talking about the two-stack queue then yes that's it < 1348172063 757405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an interesting relationship between amortized analysis and lazy data structures < 1348172088 752554 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: Okasaki's book < 1348172183 890994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this arises when you're working with functional / persistent data structures < 1348172218 81808 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone might hold on to an "old version" of the data structure and use it again in the future < 1348172246 225862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with the two-stack queue, i can hold on to the ([], back) state and execute that pop over and over < 1348172250 85156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which breaks the amortized guarantee < 1348172282 526920 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, when I type "okasaki" in google it gives me crappy unrelated results, and suggests that I try "okazaki" instead. so I do, and it gives me relevant results with "okasaki" in the title < 1348172294 466907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but laziness involves updating thunks in place, which means the work is shared with "old version"s < 1348172335 713842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you use this to avoid spending the amortized "credits" more than once < 1348173055 648046 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: that's dr. turing to you, punk < 1348173075 261686 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348173085 768228 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1348173482 884597 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348173537 41436 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348173580 152244 :monqy_!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348173598 431588 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1348173602 793453 :monqy_!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net NICK :monqy < 1348173946 396970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :JaBoJa: you know rev only reverses each line separately, right? < 1348173994 822862 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1348174128 624860 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1348174139 377582 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348174140 577956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rev | tac < 1348174152 777699 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self.. putting it simply minimize validation to allow cheats and glitches to work, and accidents to be interesting, and random data to be valid < 1348174280 565511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also let the uranium flow freely < 1348174305 655504 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is there any way to use such a construct as an interpreter of shell script? < 1348174330 256114 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which? < 1348174367 244353 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rev|tac < 1348174559 904817 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348174596 64287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what you mean < 1348174606 388159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just reverses every line and reverses the order of lines < 1348174718 44116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :even rev or cat alone don't really work for #! i think: the #! line itself gets printed < 1348174802 472543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if that is ok, you can probably do it with more than one shell line initially... < 1348174811 378866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't remember the syntax < 1348174838 580532 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried, | does not work in interpreter definiotion (i.e. #!...) < 1348174894 436146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew that. but you can put #!/bin/sh and then have some exec command as the next line < 1348174962 404435 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it counts as cheating, as it becomes sh-script, not cat-script :P < 1348174983 642056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah. but | is a sh construction. < 1348175010 587662 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I understand now :) < 1348175057 262866 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1348175231 172935 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-81-114.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1348175280 14075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write a shell script which is valid for all of sh, tac | sh, rev | sh, rev | tac | sh < 1348175285 324178 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does something different and interesting in each case < 1348175422 789788 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348175466 873223 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other day I bought a recycling can from amazon < 1348175470 775411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it came in a cardboard box < 1348175480 375101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took the can out of the box, broke down the box, and put it in the can < 1348175482 120630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was amazing < 1348175586 71004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like something escher would have painted, if he'd thought of it < 1348175975 143223 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348176017 69647 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348176246 362009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote the other day I bought a recycling can from amazon it came in a cardboard box i took the can out of the box, broke down the box, and put it in the can it was amazing < 1348176257 388361 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :862) the other day I bought a recycling can from amazon it came in a cardboard box i took the can out of the box, broke down the box, and put it in the can it was amazing < 1348176615 601051 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should've taken pictures < 1348177299 485827 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :LexShrapnel < 1348177721 305498 :LexShrapnel!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1348178189 548301 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone name a type of hoover, quick < 1348178240 157951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :electrolux < 1348178270 692380 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :volta < 1348178304 825677 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these are brands < 1348178307 86110 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, kirby's a type of hoover < 1348178311 988658 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant brand < 1348178386 242199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1348178689 348265 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348178762 351592 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348178872 219814 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348179869 730960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1348181287 900902 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348181615 503144 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348182196 944550 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348183163 403415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad beef < 1348183226 570455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bade beef farewell 15 years ago. < 1348183917 784766 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-147-76.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348184210 170041 :JaBoJa|2!~kvirc@esb200.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348184375 159247 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@erv164.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1348184603 395211 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guys. < 1348184612 804177 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm lost in a world of neotango electronica fusion. < 1348184615 902245 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's weird and confusing. < 1348184616 883673 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help me. < 1348184620 988180 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what did beef do < 1348185812 14318 :JaBoJa|2!~kvirc@esb200.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl NICK :JaBoJa < 1348185896 152203 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348185925 190683 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348186832 473182 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1348186997 430953 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-182-160.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348189238 38977 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@esb200.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348192123 84328 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348195529 97359 :IMEVER!~rhett@180.175.164.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348195716 584213 :IMEVER!~rhett@180.175.164.183 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348196478 318037 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1348197867 967800 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348198101 230582 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348200170 854596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348200543 845428 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I figured out how to beat the assassin in the Dungeons&Dragons game! I asked the referee what is phase of moon in the game; he asked me to select the phase of the moon instead, so I said it is a new moon and he accepted that. < 1348200636 978339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should've selected blue moon. < 1348200645 38237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or one & a half moons. < 1348200649 796737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gallery.guetech.org/zork0/calendar11.jpg < 1348200655 853865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chainsawsuit.com/2012/08/07/cool-moon/ < 1348200656 593976 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a phase of the moon? I do not think it is valid. < 1348200657 62853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gallery.guetech.org/zork0/calendar10.jpg < 1348200663 257011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen the Zork calendar already < 1348200665 875971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a copy < 1348200670 79166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gallery.guetech.org/zork0/calendar13.jpg < 1348200671 642506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1348200681 350871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: An actual original copy from the game? < 1348200706 810623 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-147-76.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1348201038 446121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, it is a picture I found on computer. < 1348201078 24375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oh. I found a picture on computer too. < 1348201391 876652 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348201391 895173 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348201392 59709 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348201706 281918 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348201706 300471 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1348201706 300615 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1348201930 262757 :xiaoding!~GaoMing@58.199.170.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348201953 167663 :xiaoding!~GaoMing@58.199.170.73 PART :#esoteric < 1348201971 974150 :xiaoding!~GaoMing@58.199.170.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348201979 445477 :xiaoding!~GaoMing@58.199.170.73 PART :#esoteric < 1348202239 631959 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1348205069 954788 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348205097 311692 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348205187 801171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this basketball game on X-BIT, I managed to win 89 to 49 yesterday. < 1348205196 369058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually it is not by that many points. < 1348205373 912561 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My team (Canada) plays at Raleigh tonight. Let's see... They have a better F than I do but I have a better C. (However, their best F is not in their starting lineup.) < 1348205495 282961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :89 to 49? That's a lot of tos. < 1348205636 756937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have enough G but not enough F and C. I have only one PF, but I think F is also usable as PF and SF, and G is usable as PG and SG, but I think C can only use C, and in addition there are less C available to purchase, so this makes difficuly. < 1348205663 67867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You should acquire some R. < 1348205675 932407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :R? I don't think this game has those. < 1348205712 765102 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the team players are only classified as: G, PG, SG, F, PF, SF, and C. < 1348206503 330395 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of canada has one basketball team? < 1348206562 114182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Maybe some N, then? < 1348206585 638690 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I am sure that it is not the case. However, this is just a computer game. < 1348206597 729696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: There is no N either, as far as I can see. < 1348206676 329134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about: E, TC, OP, O, Σ, ꙮ, VV, K, T, SF, JN, P, L, and U? < 1348208973 307265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have SF < 1348209077 3454 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348209080 540005 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is attempting to understand WTF an application server is < 1348209116 132922 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348209490 667810 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348211859 660199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348212337 263553 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348212770 134441 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348213973 852730 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348214506 949189 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1348215524 312086 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348216494 635350 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1348217318 282445 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-152-214.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348217849 964573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0&&&) < 1348217851 15590 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `Control.Arrow.&&&' [infixr 3] of a section < 1348217851 108826 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have low... < 1348217852 688883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1348217865 216643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1348217866 720440 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 9h 38m 27s ago: that is literally the least motivating promise ever made. but i will look into it tonight < 1348218073 273665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those people and their misuse of @ask vs. @tell. < 1348218241 404421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's an inside joke. < 1348218318 177525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? In that case, ha ha, I laugh. < 1348218447 377730 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348218543 42559 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348218551 452324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0`on`) < 1348218552 493783 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `Data.Function.on' [infixl 0] of a section < 1348218552 587948 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lowe... < 1348218574 504483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All you need is lowe. < 1348218843 392495 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid robut < 1348218882 174526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: um it did just as expected... < 1348218918 758749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm triggering that error message on purpose to see the [infixl 0] information < 1348218932 997188 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348218958 32887 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Brace yourselves gentlemen. According to the gas chromatograph, the secret ingredient is... Love!? Who's been screwing with this thing?" < 1348218980 113308 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348218994 481084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bad thing about love is that it's so secret we cannot find it < 1348219084 281559 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a quote from the simpsons when trying to determine an ingredient in some alcoholic cocktail < 1348219569 52254 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely remembers actually seeing that episode. < 1348219650 166897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I only do it with a select few who can "appreciate" it. < 1348219782 237810 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the drink was called a flaming moe < 1348220915 347529 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1348221282 206120 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-152-214.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1348224628 905478 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348224671 284839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION learns there is a star named Zubenelgenubi < 1348224712 540591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds vaguely Lovecraftian. < 1348224712 822153 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1348224738 243426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it means "the southern claw" < 1348224884 655850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Alpha Librae -- has the traditional name Zubenelgenubi" -- hey, Alpha Librae exists in Star Control 2. < 1348224900 109221 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in what language? < 1348224903 32089 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beta Librae is the Supox homeworld, that's probably where I remember it from. < 1348224911 323122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: mangled arabic < 1348224911 981080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: "The name, from Arabic الزبن الجنوبي (al-zuban al-janūbiyy), means "southern claw" --" < 1348225063 199866 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348225157 545799 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The two brightest components of Alpha Librae form a double star -- The brightest member, α2 Librae, is itself a spectroscopic binary system. The second member, α1 Librae -- too is a spectroscopic binary -- The system may have a fifth component, the star KU Librae -- thus forming a hierarchical quintuple star system." < 1348225163 72837 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds quite complicated. < 1348225186 697286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All this for a dot on the night sky. Such wate. < 1348225188 595406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Waste. < 1348225245 148799 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was deep up until 'wate'. < 1348225253 882217 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That kind of ruined it. < 1348225348 913631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. :/ < 1348225817 941578 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :One small step for man, one giant heap for mankind. ^leap < 1348225999 618096 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1348226036 443468 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt really know the actual version had a typo.. but i think have heard so before < 1348226082 245586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure it's called a "typo" when it's done by a person speaking. < 1348226105 629021 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1348226106 231825 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in this new age it won't be long before it is < 1348226222 542366 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1348226393 289732 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-109.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1348226996 971995 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348227143 131570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (`mod` 7) <$> [1055-1020, 211-176] < 1348227144 188191 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,0] < 1348227160 566362 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348227267 841599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 98-14 < 1348227268 804791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 84 < 1348227340 857440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (938+84, 290+84) < 1348227341 843017 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (1022,374) < 1348227396 885190 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (2+0+0,0+00+2+0) < 1348227397 994559 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (2,2) < 1348227497 831212 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0.0+000+0+0,0+00+0+0+0) < 1348227499 93939 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (0.0,0) < 1348227554 709535 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.0 > 0.000 < 1348227555 874854 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1348227592 240032 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.0 < 0.000 < 1348227593 356523 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1348227605 294427 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.0 equal 0.000 < 1348227606 482278 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `equal' < 1348227615 533763 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :== < 1348227624 772677 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.0 == 0.000 < 1348227626 102109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1348227631 859424 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1348227648 263963 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :using this information i was able to save the city once again < 1348227796 790931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1054+84, 28+84) < 1348227797 756099 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (1138,112) < 1348228080 90974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was someone at ##c the other day confused why float a = 3.141593; if (a < 3.141593) puts("low"); was always printing 'low'. (Example slightly simplified.) < 1348228108 291248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating points sure are nasty. < 1348228212 294369 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 52*50-42*10^5 < 1348228213 599795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -4197400 < 1348228218 788958 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1348228235 802286 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 52*50-42*(10^5) < 1348228236 987521 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -4197400 < 1348228250 738416 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect i did something wrong here < 1348228282 769870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no clue what those numbers are for, but the result sure seems reasonable. < 1348228295 553212 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 52*50-42*10^4 < 1348228296 897117 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -417400 < 1348228307 584686 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngyang ngyang < 1348228340 263194 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 42*10^4-52*50 < 1348228341 371408 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 417400 < 1348228347 918668 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1348228375 764062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (894+84, 246+84) < 1348228376 912199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (978,330) < 1348228823 495830 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 84 * 72 * 88 / 42 / 11 - 14 < 1348228824 618844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1138.0 < 1348228964 448074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (`mod` 7) <$> [1055-849, 211-30] < 1348228965 416599 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [3,6] < 1348228994 955595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (`mod` 7) <$> [849-849, 128-30] < 1348228995 897855 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,0] < 1348229016 752904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp(1)**pi - pi < 1348229017 856599 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 19.99909997918947 < 1348229027 174399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambdabot must have that same floating-point bug xkcd mentions. < 1348229173 740136 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr . read <$> words "84 72 88 42 11 14" < 1348229176 90265 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "THX*\v\SO" < 1348229745 364942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1348229763 869547 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was terrible.... < 1348229987 446405 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2600 x 42 / 52 / 50 < 1348229988 749273 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0 < 1348229996 976931 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1348229998 402516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that 'x'? < 1348230005 402274 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :LOL < 1348230012 967927 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1348230046 503906 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 2x2 = 2*2 in 2600 x 42 / 52 / 50 < 1348230047 627010 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : : Parse error in pattern < 1348230063 920968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (`mod` 7) <$> [869-850, 49-128] < 1348230064 706005 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm.. now im just being dumb < 1348230064 912539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [5,5] < 1348230079 939530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think "x" works as an operator, syntax-wise. < 1348230083 283699 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2600 * 42 / 52 / 50 < 1348230084 376955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42.0 < 1348230107 957407 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr . read <$> words "52 50" < 1348230110 21434 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "42" < 1348230125 386701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type x < 1348230126 495119 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr < 1348230139 652328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be one of those "things" that bot has. < 1348230157 246219 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my things are stupid < 1348230172 612473 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bots things are just common sense < 1348230280 283505 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. '4' * '2' * 42 = 2600... thats kind of cool < 1348230298 223971 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :waitno it doesnt < 1348230306 219329 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1348230412 263324 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :crawls back under my rock < 1348230445 738262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :'4' * '2' = 2600, though. I don't know how cool that is. < 1348230450 50787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> product $ ord <$> "42" < 1348230451 123141 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2600 < 1348230469 147554 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :2600 is pretty cool < 1348230488 79590 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my thing isn't so much < 1348230534 40661 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1348230559 948886 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i would be interested in is a case where the text of a number is the same as the string of the number < 1348230574 921976 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :by something like the product or the sum < 1348230618 511886 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^oops < 1348230623 891549 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hewuihduiwehduiwehduw < 1348230628 136885 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum $ ord <$> "150" < 1348230629 265305 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 150 < 1348230635 822446 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1348230660 169946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(49+53+48.) < 1348230683 288528 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter (\n -> n == sum (map ord (show n))) [0..] < 1348230687 38949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1348230696 828649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also 151, 152, ..., 159 for obvious reasons. < 1348230697 392354 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 10 $ filter (\n -> n == sum (map ord (show n))) [0..] < 1348230698 369757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [150,151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159] < 1348230730 756969 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter (\n -> n == sum (map ord (show n))) [0..10^6] < 1348230734 15692 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [150,151,152,153,154,155,156,157,158,159] < 1348230736 4849 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter (\n -> n == product (map ord (show n))) [0..10^6] < 1348230739 385591 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] < 1348230742 973614 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :take 12 $ filter (\n -> n == sum (map ord (show n))) [0..] < 1348230750 17539 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 12 $ filter (\n -> n == sum (map ord (show n))) [0..] < 1348230753 973716 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1348230754 579466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently that's all, folks. < 1348230761 603182 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1348230766 975182 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :spooky < 1348230792 567646 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> take 10 $ filter (\n -> n == product (map ord (show n))) [0..] < 1348230796 488803 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1348230800 103307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that the individual values are ~50, the product grows too quickly, while the sum of course grows too slowly. < 1348230811 6719 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i write that right? < 1348230832 289193 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. (To both of you.) < 1348230833 923505 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you did it already < 1348230836 2580 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1348231028 131262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> flip showHex "" <$> filter (\n -> n == sum (map ord (showHex n ""))) [0..10^5] < 1348231030 297984 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["9a","9b","9c","9d","9e","9f"] < 1348231105 13679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> flip showHex "" <$> filter (\n -> n == sum (map (ord . toUpper) (showHex n ""))) [0..10^5] < 1348231106 208305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348231107 363534 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] < 1348231122 297705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. Though I suppose one could argue the "0x" prefix could also be counted in that. < 1348231153 38133 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> flip showHex "" <$> filter (\n -> n == product (map ord (showHex n ""))) [0..] < 1348231154 125383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1348231175 682704 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-" < 1348231195 853681 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :crawls back under my rock < 1348231273 569372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was some kind of unrelated breakage, I'd say. < 1348232525 441359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah there's a bug in the jolverine loop < 1348232533 641538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Will fix it later < 1348232773 58499 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348232841 713633 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1348232848 383584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348233101 11254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348233107 294064 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348233122 661154 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1348233419 116586 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348233644 124001 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1348233784 223409 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Arc_Koen < 1348233794 994981 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1348233796 324336 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are things going? < 1348233861 276948 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type <$> < 1348233862 162766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `<$>' < 1348233867 535953 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type (<$>) < 1348233868 455880 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b (f :: * -> *). (Functor f) => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1348233901 301227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src (<$>) < 1348233901 486306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f <$> a = fmap f a < 1348233908 65391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348233908 342946 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that. < 1348233916 551428 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1348235033 675889 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348235959 537283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (×) = (*) in 2600 × 42 / 52 / 50 < 1348235960 660050 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42.0 < 1348236032 654219 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348236052 148617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you go all *fancy* with your x's. < 1348236082 456384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348236242 922874 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348237567 326413 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-109.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1348237658 695460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/62959000/jpg/_62959824_hacked.jpg < 1348238106 939633 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric : :O < 1348238198 873704 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, I'm not sure my CPU would be able to decode binary with that in it < 1348238203 21294 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that why it's a hack? < 1348238386 80104 :ais523__!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348238388 473175 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :HACKED is embedded in the bitstream in bitmap space, perhaps < 1348238565 134817 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoaaaa < 1348238568 659766 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1348238569 314561 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds really advanced < 1348238584 301846 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: r u hax0r? < 1348238593 921179 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrn me hax kthx < 1348238750 960842 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hackego < 1348238754 114926 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. < 1348239009 257245 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7BB.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1348239021 910056 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7BB.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1348239436 739995 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. < 1348239481 284649 :ais523__!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1348239597 365799 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: that's dr. turing to you, punk < 1348239705 417054 :function!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable < 1348240357 808267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as collision resistance goes, how much worse is "first half of sha256 hash" compared to "both halves of sha256 hash xored together"? < 1348240423 721517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it shouldn't matter for an ideal hash, but might make life easier for an attacker exploiting some cryptographic weakness of sha256 < 1348240441 75751 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I don't think we have any knowledge of sha256 being any worse than ideal < 1348240443 326307 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it should be the same < 1348240453 960255 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you don't *puts on NSA sunglasses* < 1348240456 654943 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1348240467 840087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how's it going copumpkin < 1348240475 745257 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :xoring them together might be very slightly more future-proof in case someone finds some bug in the first or second half :P < 1348240479 817179 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that seems unlikely < 1348240488 152933 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :not too badly < 1348240498 288373 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed out on a great talk by edwardk yesterday < 1348240528 472010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1348240535 805353 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should pay more attention to these things < 1348240556 612272 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't love haskell anymore :( < 1348240560 616964 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wub < 1348240569 717485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1348240573 456289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not actually true) < 1348240706 598948 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-140-71.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348241192 271683 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-109.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1348241607 130576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What are you doing with the first half of sha256? Human-readable identifiers? < 1348241635 336773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1348241643 356767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :long and boring story < 1348241644 700382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Truncation at least is a thing that I've seen done somewhere for SHA-256. (And SHA-224 of course is a truncated SHA-256.) < 1348241695 592964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of which, how about a protocol which converts a large number of arbitrary bits into a human readable story < 1348241711 331752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether there's anything more to be confident about with some function that takes an explicit output length, like PBKDF2, than just truncating/xoring a hash. < 1348241726 116309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Human-memorizable, in particular? < 1348241727 944083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a standard for parsing this which is insensitive to whitespace, punctuation, and unimportant words < 1348241730 950903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1348241735 926156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can memorize, say, an entire RSA private key < 1348241766 428024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is an extension of the "four random words" approach to passwords < 1348241774 151388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've talked about that a couple of times before in other channels. < 1348241779 235187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1348241798 643553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you conclude < 1348241841 318726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone in another channel had a thing where he split his password into a few bits and then found words in /usr/share/dict/words whose md5sums ended with those bits, or some scheme like that. < 1348241883 344695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I concluded that 2048 is an awful lot of bits. :-( < 1348241908 26146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1348241923 106775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would probably want some error-correcting codes or something too. < 1348241928 760612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1348241934 274816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck yeah, error correcting codes < 1348241983 438167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand people manage to memorize some pretty large texts, so it's probably feasible. < 1348242001 44391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Insert world record of pi memorization result here.] < 1348242024 355950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you could probably write a paper on this < 1348242037 781437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm not so interested in world record capabilities ;) < 1348242040 646466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are approaches to memorizing numbers like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic_major_system which have a fair amount of redundancy and let you make up your own sentences. < 1348242052 936020 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7BB.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: text (sentences) is easier to memorize I would say than pseudo-random bytes < 1348242060 198879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But don't work that well in certain edge cases.) < 1348242083 159010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Yes, but it doesn't have nearly as many bits per character. < 1348242091 344007 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7BB.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For most people it would be easier to remember 3.1415927 (the number known as pi) as:" < 1348242094 346154 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7BB.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's wrong < 1348242102 598585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my (unjustified) assumption is that the structure of a story makes it easier to remember stuff, even though it adds to the length of the text you're memorizing < 1348242109 540032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: That's not the number known as pi. Are you some kind of physicist? < 1348242110 988225 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7BB.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for me it is < 1348242120 266485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if it's done in such a way that you don't have to remember the connective bits of the story correctly < 1348242127 968694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether rhymes would help or hurt. < 1348242134 674541 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7BB.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1348242136 878409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1348242143 4420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get fewer bits though < 1348242152 242325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that's the "hurt" part. < 1348242163 149168 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should invent a protocol which converts binary blobs into a sequence of dirty limericks < 1348242169 968830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the entropy of rhyming text is. < 1348242172 589950 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7BB.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that was a wikipedia quote by the way < 1348242184 576626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Complexity_of_Songs < 1348242290 73987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're trying to memorize 2048 bits you're probably going to get some pretty bad edge cases for whatever scheme you use... < 1348242521 183589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should come up with a scheme for this and memorize my private keys! < 1348242527 618862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That way the NSA has more to torture out of me. < 1348242599 296175 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7BB.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard of this technique where you had to visualize numbers and put them in a "story" < 1348242608 378193 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7BB.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have however not actually tried it out < 1348242672 619819 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7BB.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :M. Tullius Cicero also did this(historians claim) < 1348242672 901572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/ST/hash/documents/Kelsey_Truncation.pdf < 1348243061 152087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://csrc.nist.gov/publications/drafts/800-107/Draft_Revised_SP800-107.pdf < 1348243601 59198 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-156-132.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348243734 530597 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1348243757 796619 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-140-71.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348243912 720681 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348243938 937256 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348243987 487789 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348243991 902830 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348244020 866952 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348244044 225509 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348244305 210212 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1348244606 310093 :nvt!nvt@kapsi.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1348244797 894919 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348245559 338272 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-156-132.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348245610 660573 :nvt!nvt@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348246201 264869 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-157.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348247974 321953 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-12-26.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348248029 984836 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one simple approach is to pick a set of "interesting" words and extract the information from the unique "interesting" words in order of first appearance < 1348248040 429881 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-12-26.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1348248040 757100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1348248043 697243 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-12-26.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1348248086 1868 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how big is reasonable for a list of interesting words that aren't too similar, i.e. excluding plurals and such < 1348248091 667992 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say 14 bits < 1348248139 110029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then to encode a 2048 bit key, you need a story with about 150 unique interesting words < 1348248222 847505 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-12-26.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1348248232 665063 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-12-26.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I famous enough to have a page for myself on the wiki? < 1348248274 362043 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-12-26.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1348248278 882973 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-12-26.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I am < 1348248323 821128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but instead you could use the choice of unique words together with the pattern in which they are repeated < 1348248324 304440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :14 bits per word? < 1348248338 661899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i.e. a dictionary of 16,384 interesting words < 1348248393 837592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems reasonable. < 1348248403 425432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for english anyway < 1348248406 253679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :english has a ton of words < 1348248409 272519 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This requires you to always have access to the wordlist, which I guess isn't so bad. < 1348248439 274330 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i am not trying to design a scheme that anyone can implement from memory < 1348248443 522160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that would be more valuable though < 1348248469 666028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably valuable enough to come up with one standardized scheme and get it everywhere. < 1348248641 252522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's serious diminishing returns to having a larger word file. < 1348248659 753639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :13/12 bits would mean that you'd need 160/170 words instead of 150. < 1348248857 655794 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1348249186 662766 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1348249523 93120 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348250684 148624 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-157.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348251174 6964 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-157.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348252080 302332 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1348252104 803036 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348252331 232819 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :[]{}\|-_`^ < 1348252420 182761 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :nortti < 1348252523 820338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÄÅäåÖö-_`^ < 1348252792 86795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :«»“”¬¦¥¼ < 1348252824 848028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should figure out and implement that memorization thing so I can use it! < 1348252849 202104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1348253089 758704 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1348253096 45480 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348253201 474728 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1348253220 734226 :Gregor!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1348253225 259623 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1348253443 982154 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1348253648 622757 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C7BB.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348254547 624214 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1348254937 999381 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-109.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1348255888 469158 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1348257524 807584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348259223 783620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348259407 522749 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1348259522 699568 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1348259628 95733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho hum < 1348260574 731073 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to get emacs and nrepl.el working nicely on my system < 1348260619 158891 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe ritz? < 1348261091 713397 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ho hum vår sång är dum? < 1348261137 977915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know that one < 1348261263 192641 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSgngZ9CpTM < 1348261329 374185 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be "hei hå" or something in norwegian < 1348261453 560533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, it's late in the evening and i won't disturb the silence... < 1348261501 609183 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should enable on-demand plugins < 1348261519 551063 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but you're not using Opera, maybe your browser doesn't have that < 1348261577 170814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea what you're talking about < 1348261617 352202 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a thing where plugins never start playing (or even downloading) until you allow it < 1348261645 630298 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: is it like konquerors load plugins only when specified? < 1348261662 54999 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: sounds similar, but I've never used konquerors < 1348261667 898468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how is that relevant? my speakers are off by default, anyway < 1348261715 283503 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you should try. it isn't best on the stadards front but it is fast and powerful and you can integrate almost anything into it < 1348261716 61773 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, sounded like you couldn't safely follow the link < 1348261754 797679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that's a link to a song, so it would be pointless to follow it when i'm not going to put on sound < 1348261793 76621 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :even without sound you can tell what song it was from either of the name or the video < 1348261833 935096 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not important, I just linked to that because I used youtube to figure out what the proper name was and to confirm it was the song I was thinking about < 1348261844 608544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: °͜° < 1348261848 555301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's that scene < 1348261868 533644 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1348262362 552302 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-12-26.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1348262516 540059 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@esb200.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348262730 615101 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348262757 885213 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348263009 282260 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348263376 302506 :JaBoJa|2!~kvirc@ers19.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348263414 132542 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday at FreeGeek I had some .NSF musics to play, they said try Rhythmbox, so I tried and yes it can play .NSF musics, although the expansions may not work perfectly. < 1348263545 37160 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@esb200.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1348263547 132688 :JaBoJa|2!~kvirc@ers19.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl NICK :jaboja < 1348264494 840497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348264518 369874 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348265049 921800 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348265080 288991 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-157.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348265610 286207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348265803 780563 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348265806 524905 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348265825 451923 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com NICK :Guest56942 < 1348265892 575771 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348265893 445157 :Guest56942!~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1348266334 738491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348266596 971561 :jaboja!~kvirc@ers19.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anybody ever tried to create an esoteric charset? < 1348266655 894356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every charset is esoteric. < 1348266684 389142 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're unsatisfied with the common ones, there's also EBCDIC < 1348266742 561881 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"solved problem, move along" :P < 1348267332 363615 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348267842 336652 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1348268004 308200 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1348268041 275086 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1348268056 364576 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, they totally are! < 1348268072 437361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Who totally are? < 1348268075 980143 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean seriously, why did ascii have \, | and ~? < 1348268092 600454 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and `. < 1348268110 183065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\, is a terrible character. < 1348268115 27209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :~? and `. are also terrible. < 1348268118 507954 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they're double-width! < 1348268122 932046 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1348268176 52774 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This explains so much. 😼 < 1348268199 100712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :much, but wrongly < 1348268223 947371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MVLTE SED ERRANTER < 1348268314 980001 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about that erranter < 1348268347 218701 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably go with falso < 1348268357 861329 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perperam, maybe < 1348268472 848394 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :erranter falso perperam < 1348268576 217873 :jaboja!~kvirc@ers19.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :EBCDIC is interesting... Internet Explorer understands it, but Firefoks and Chrome don't. < 1348268690 187954 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised IE supports it, is it even possible to write HTML in ebcdic? < 1348268699 352506 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one standard ie supports < 1348268771 318670 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... I suppose if the http headers specify the charset, it's no problem to decode the ebcdic before sending it on to the HTML stuff < 1348268784 10062 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I accidentally flooded #clojure < 1348268792 938580 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :good work < 1348268794 314690 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out the bot will gladly loop forever printing stuff < 1348268860 608648 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not "forever" < 1348268888 718113 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :only until it gets kicked? < 1348268912 694777 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was doing the side-effects to realize the first 32 elements < 1348268924 427118 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I mapped a side-effecting function onto an infinite lazy seq < 1348268931 472014 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-147-76.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348268943 888972 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope you derided them for having side-effects in their language < 1348268959 10656 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this wouldn't have happened in Haskell!" < 1348269096 217582 :jaboja!~kvirc@ers19.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jagiello.vot.pl/ebcdic.php < 1348269103 887845 :jaboja!~kvirc@ers19.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IE only) < 1348269171 903328 :jaboja!~kvirc@ers19.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP used to send correct charset via HTTP (setting it only via meta tag does not force IE to parse it as EBCDIC) < 1348269182 817085 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww, opera doesn't have ebcdic < 1348269212 554925 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that as many as two people in this channel intentionally use IE, and maybe about seven total have it available. < 1348269385 547151 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348269518 351150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :EBCDIC is not very good. ASCII is better. However, different thing, other character sets might works better. Also, if I designed ASCII the order would differ a bit, such as having 'A' after '9' so that you can write hexadecimal numbers. < 1348269683 234477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I plan to make the FCHDL (Famicom Hardware Description Language) which is a Haskell library which can compile a Famicom mapper code in DotFami .cart format. < 1348269887 958903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'd probably go with falso <-- but that would be less meta < 1348269925 775916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you do if it was your job to design the 7-bit ASCII code including orders? < 1348269934 885400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quit. < 1348269973 498677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you not like to make up the ASCII? < 1348270083 417395 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348270186 802899 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348271842 889707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you detect open bus in software? I want to be able to design a computer and have it detect whether or not anything is connected to the external memory port, if you push START (or use auto-start mode) to check the optical disc, external memory, etc to see if there is any program to load. But there is another possibility: The external memory does not necessarily have to be an executable program < 1348272009 807901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1348272856 800037 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if Clojure's community is a good thing or a bad thing < 1348272865 113743 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the one hand, lots of libraries, many of them good < 1348272870 379190 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, so many idiots < 1348272905 268316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: put a weak pull-up resistor on the bus, and require that any connected device drives the bus low when idle < 1348273487 378406 :jaboja!~kvirc@ers19.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ < 1348274096 89662 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348275413 872143 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348275494 631203 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1348275970 975447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: OK, well, I suppose it could be used on one pin to specify whether or not a program can be loaded from the device. < 1348276173 742867 :JaBoJa!~JaBoJa@public-gprs307350.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348276398 431817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, if you have a dedicated pin then the cartridge can just short that pin to ground < 1348276453 653501 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just do a standard protocol like USB < 1348276754 314771 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't USB. It is a memory address/data bus, and a few other things such as clock, audio, and some general purpose I/O. < 1348277136 728565 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348277871 521991 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348278092 138784 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm having a bit of a doubt < 1348278167 155665 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing machines do not have a finite number of possible states, right? < 1348278199 488571 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise all programs would be known to halt because they would necessarily either stop or be periodic < 1348278219 105835 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I mean, they wouldn't necessarily halt but the halting problem would be solved < 1348278234 842562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "head" of the machine has a finite set of states < 1348278243 432611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the tape can grow without bound < 1348278247 556546 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1348278267 643280 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a language which doesn't have this infinity possibility, that's what we call a finite-state automaton? < 1348278296 486343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are non-infinite machines other than finite state automata < 1348278310 727477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, the pushdown automaton is intermediate in power between a finite state machine and a turing machine < 1348278310 745984 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1348278328 506170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also be careful, the word "language" in computability theory does not mean the same as "programming language" < 1348278336 271706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in computability a language is just a set of strings < 1348278345 59610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't assign meaning to the strings; we just ask whether they're in the set or not < 1348278414 768532 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1348278425 329611 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "programming language" you call "machine"? < 1348278437 789928 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1348278440 430819 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean intuitively I'd say the "machine" is a particular program < 1348278445 465189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1348278455 378783 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the programming language would be "the set of all machines" < 1348278459 629058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :languages are types of machines, then < 1348278464 96336 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1348278466 809525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for turing machines there is a universal machine < 1348278481 350338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :any turing machine can be emulated by passing some initial state to the universal machine < 1348278487 221026 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348278496 640174 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1348278520 406463 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course "initial state" can be seen as an input, so basically a unversal turing machine is an interpreter? < 1348278524 245680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1348278553 58214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you're viewing turing machines as functions, the input is the initial state of the tape < 1348278607 917097 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1348278623 661571 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I looked up what exactly a push-down automaton was - it's just a turing machine hooked to a stack < 1348278631 94867 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except with a finite tape < 1348278636 198101 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the stack can be infinite < 1348278672 744390 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet that's not enough to be as powerful as a turing machine? < 1348278794 896790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not a turing machine hooked up to a stack < 1348278800 990420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a finite state machine hooked up to a stack < 1348278816 855097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsm: (state, input character) -> state < 1348278855 778604 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pda: (state, input character, top of stack) -> (state, thing to push or not) < 1348278865 359167 :JaBoJa!~JaBoJa@public-gprs307350.centertel.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it logically determined for every UTM program if it halts or not? Or does there exist programs with stop problem unsolvable like continuum problem. < 1348278887 510001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing machine: (state, character under head) -> (state, new character under head, direction to move on tape) < 1348278935 179912 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a turing machine with finite tape is equivalent to a finite automaton < 1348278964 401383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like a turing machine with n independent state variables is equivalent to a turing machine with one state variable < 1348278990 247007 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1348278995 379292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only requirement is that the set of states is finite < 1348279011 185161 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the input character can be taken from an infinite alphabet? < 1348279012 528616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can use finite-length tuples over finite sets of states < 1348279013 340948 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1348279027 80525 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so input is bounded < 1348279055 293107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1348279067 82459 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"] < 1348279118 301963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where sneaky < 1348279118 559135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dropFromEnd n xs = zipWith const xs (drop n xs) < 1348279127 795292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :☝ best function < 1348279246 765618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: there is a wrinkle in what i said though < 1348279262 998903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a deterministic finite state machine is defined by a function (state, input character) -> state < 1348279291 814509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a nondeterministic finite state machine has a set of "possible" new states < 1348279301 629637 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1348279313 587238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out that, if some language is recognized by a NFA, you can make a DFA to recognize it < 1348279316 635033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and vice versa) < 1348279319 597722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is not true for pushdown automata < 1348279329 202083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nondeterministic pushdown automata are strictly more powerful than deterministic ones < 1348279351 640312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is true for turing machines < 1348279363 63713 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the wikipedia page said, but they explained why in one sentence and it was grammatically incorrect and not really helping < 1348279374 516951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(until you start talking about the execution time rather than just what's possible or impossible) < 1348279389 331804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which thing did wikipedia try to explain? < 1348279409 938683 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why you couldn't turn a nondeterministic pushdown automaton into a deterministic one < 1348279423 824132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i don't remember offhand < 1348279444 185622 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike finite-state machines, there exists no general alogorithm of turning a NDPDA into an equivalent DPDA, because that the problem of determining whether a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Context-free_language is deterministic is decidable, which is not.[1] < 1348279466 23347 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(please excuse the weird way my irc client copies links) < 1348279667 474371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :finding a proof of this is surprisigly hard < 1348279670 983039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i just suck at googling it < 1348279672 262001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cstheory.stackexchange.com/questions/9673/why-is-non-determinism-push-down-automata-necessary < 1348279984 36396 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in their example they say you have a word as input < 1348280005 266241 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said you had only a character - if the word's length is not bounded, then it's not the same, is it? < 1348280648 180591 :JaBoJa!~JaBoJa@public-gprs307350.centertel.pl QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1348280864 263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a finite state machine or pushdown automaton processes one character at a time < 1348280895 105923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the input is a word of finite length, but it can be any finite length, there is no bound to how big the word could be < 1348280902 88325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(of course you can make a machine which rejects all words bigger than n) < 1348280921 598736 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm but does it have to process the next character at every tick? < 1348280932 90528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a deterministic automaton yes < 1348280980 476864 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some presentations, a nondeterministic automaton can have "ε transitions" which move from one state to another without consuming a character < 1348280991 388171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is a just notational convenience < 1348281027 210810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you could just add everything reachable from ε transitions to the set of possible next states < 1348281056 640563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good book on this stuff is _Introduction to the Theory of Computation_ by Sipser < 1348281076 233027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it presents everything in order using consistent notation etc < 1348281090 473467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :much nicer than reading a bunch of wikipedia pages < 1348281104 427812 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1348281117 673870 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep I definitely should read books < 1348281287 31676 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1348281303 78753 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still, if there are an infinity of possible words < 1348281351 368755 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, you said the epsilon thing was only for nondeterministic automatons < 1348281481 548753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'm not sure the ε transitions can be removed from a NPDA < 1348281496 734382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use them to push or pop more than one stack character per input character < 1348281536 549679 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a dpa with a finite number of states I'm pretty convinced it cannot be removed < 1348281552 874828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of states is always finite < 1348281559 534768 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1348281575 360266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's not impossible to talk about infinite number of states < 1348281580 139383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not what people usually talk about < 1348281584 248081 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so where exactly does the "finite-state automaton" name come from? < 1348281598 707495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a finite number of states < 1348281606 476718 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. a finite amount of state < 1348281698 779480 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so that "finite" means it really is finite, opposite to a turing machine which tape can be in an infinite amount of states < 1348281736 373883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1348281771 89573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pushdown automaton also has an infinite number of states icluding the stack < 1348281806 377467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when i said "the set of states is always finite" i meant the states not including the stack, i.e. the things typically drawn as nodes in a graph < 1348281809 402209 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1348281813 203915 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking they should have bothered to find a different word for the "states" in the automaton and the total "states" the machine can be in < 1348281819 871519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah exactly < 1348282103 290815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you lose a game of Double Fanucci against a dragon, you will die, isn't it? However, I lost against a half-dragon, so I only lost five perica instead. < 1348282177 71815 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a half-dragon? I thought we called them lizards < 1348282269 486199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is different half dragon though. < 1348282283 45129 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides, i'm guessing half-dragons are less powerful than whole dragons, so losing against a half-dragon should be more severely punished < 1348282367 843661 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, losing against a half-dragon implies you would have lost against a whole dragon as well) < 1348282418 633040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it would imply; it depend how the cards are dealt. < 1348282484 826451 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as on how good you are at the game. < 1348282537 419472 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well except if it's a game of chance, and you're considering that the winner will bully the loser, in which case yeah I guess being bullied by a whole dragon is more scary < 1348282584 139593 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, are you playing Zork? < 1348282586 858870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a card game, so there would be chance involved, but skill is also involved < 1348282608 591971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is not Zork. It is what I wrote in my character background story for Dungeons&Dragons. < 1348282639 12131 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i have been thinking that some of those x-bit sports you have been playing could be played without a computer by a few people around a table < 1348282654 193793 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dont want to interrupt right now < 1348282706 860883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Play by cards? < 1348282741 293988 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the boxing and the basketball < 1348282795 628977 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking more of having a GM < 1348282834 556376 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(zzo38: my point was that, if you're playing, say, a go tournament (or chess tournament, or any other game) and every game you play affects your ranking, then loosing against a "strong" opponent will make you loose less ranking points than losing against a "weak" player) < 1348282841 167439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure you could, but I would think it would be better by cards < 1348282887 180047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: OK. But how good you are at these kind of games (chess, cards, go, whatever) is not your physical strength. < 1348282890 167793 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to just stick with Eclipse < 1348282906 559510 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, a box tournament then < 1348282912 396887 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1348282992 379966 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though yeah, if you can be physically "damaged" during the game then playing against someone too strong might be dangerous - though if the damage is already implied by the fact that you have lost, it could not make a difference < 1348283046 383653 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this like playing chess against a wookie? < 1348283079 546827 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the way you said "play by cards" just gave me the idea that any card game which doesn't include a pile, but rather have the cards dealt among the players at the beginning, could be played by email < 1348283101 10560 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you send the card you want to play along with the letter < 1348283101 352912 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not chess.. i don't know what the actual game is called < 1348283121 634092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: OK, if you prefer that way. < 1348283133 918485 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^Dejarik < 1348283142 722030 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: against a wookie, I think it's less dangerous to loose than to win (in case the wookie is a sore looser) < 1348283151 746474 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1348283251 738564 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, a dragon is not like a wookie < 1348283571 640101 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :less hair, more scales < 1348283716 944462 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I had an idea for a nondeterministic language today < 1348283731 756707 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically it would be a monopoly-like board game < 1348283756 635230 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where all the players are controlled by the computer, with dice being rolled < 1348283780 607768 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the cells on the board, or the cards to be drawn, would affect the memory and trigger some computations < 1348284012 684574 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348285876 872272 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@65-128-147-76.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348286676 488119 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348286679 17625 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :erfjoirgejroijg < 1348286682 342759 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :werjero < 1348286696 688874 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oioieoiroeiro < 1348287042 955671 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome dajfsa < 1348287051 201293 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dajfsa: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1348287406 213738 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1348287557 873531 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1348287558 759710 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qqq < 1348287561 490102 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :q qq q q qq < 1348287562 721546 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: q? < 1348287566 145143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@!@! < 1348287569 866116 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric ://///////////// < 1348287719 476730 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :qqqq < 1348287737 218207 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :q qq q q qq q q q qq < 1348288005 733578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::wq < 1348288047 10087 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (intercalate " " . map (flip (replicate 'q'))) [1..] < 1348288048 61498 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Int' < 1348288048 217795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type ... < 1348288055 933000 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1348288058 401200 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (intercalate " " . map (flip replicate 'q')) [1..] < 1348288060 280973 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "q qq qqq qqqq qqqqq qqqqqq qqqqqqq qqqqqqqq qqqqqqqqq qqqqqqqqqq qqqqqqqqq... < 1348288086 940900 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers unwords < 1348288557 962514 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :machine code uses goto? when writing functional programs it's better to have recursive calls be the last thing in a function... I wonder if, on a computer where machine code would use comefroms instead of gotos, it would be better to have recursive calls be the first thing in a function < 1348288644 323850 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that thought was sponsored by the It Is 6 am And I Havent Slept Yet industry) < 1348288790 418067 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :head llac optimization < 1348288850 490883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :has there been much work on esoteric quantum programming languages < 1348288902 726074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is quantum brainfuck at least < 1348288904 850230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1348290649 133818 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348290715 901057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348291127 993321 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348291265 494609 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348293129 423837 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my interrogations about turing-completeness and input/output were legitimate I think < 1348293169 799950 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider a language which has a function "print" and a function "read" which allow to output and input some stuff < 1348293190 116131 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it also has other functions, and considering those other functions only you manage to prove it turing-complete < 1348293229 39826 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then someone asks you to write a program in that language that takes an input n, and outputs fib(n) < 1348293229 131732 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr < 1348293244 884339 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it may not be possible < 1348293273 318957 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And? Claiming that a language is TC does not claim that it is possible to do that. < 1348293344 857665 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I thought turing-completeness was a way to describe what algorithms the language could implement < 1348293380 462415 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there you have a language you said was tc and yet it cannot do something as simple as giving you fib(n) < 1348293389 223077 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. Input is not usually considered to be part of algorithms, and even if it is, it's certainly outside the scope of Turing-completeness. < 1348293396 293940 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can give you fib(n) < 1348293406 40757 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question of how you get “n” is different. < 1348293428 743657 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can it give me fib(n)? < 1348293439 178167 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can ran computations, but it has no ways of giving me a result < 1348293452 396122 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't have to. < 1348293458 234195 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So long as it's calculated that result, it's done. < 1348293464 905288 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where I disagree < 1348293473 727328 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your disagreement is irrelevant, you're simply wrong. < 1348293487 641967 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa that's really interesting talking with you < 1348293500 980020 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to go sleep anyway, have a nice day < 1348293521 572572 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: that's dr. turing to you, punk < 1348293541 208618 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*shrugs* < 1348294931 668439 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1348294938 934792 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1348295703 246046 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1348295773 344155 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348296497 178623 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-12-26.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348297576 576950 :xroslight!~xroslight@27.197.68.255 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348297590 219462 :xroslight!~xroslight@27.197.68.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :我能吞下粘土而不伤身体 < 1348297709 613965 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much of a memory hog is Eclipse, exactly? < 1348297741 590783 :xroslight!~xroslight@27.197.68.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :不知道 < 1348298144 665825 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1348298213 927949 :xroslight!~xroslight@27.197.68.255 PRIVMSG #esoteric :这里都是中国人吗? < 1348298343 82363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348298409 196299 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-147-76.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348298601 34037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1348299685 133044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome guy_who_maybe_should_speak_English < 1348299696 334890 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :guy_who_maybe_should_speak_English: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1348299726 574726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thizzie < 1348299827 498163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floozie. < 1348299833 254495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn floozie < 1348299833 865318 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "floozie" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1348299834 53794 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :floozie < 1348299834 146984 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: a prostitute who attracts customers by walking the streets < 1348299834 165468 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [syn: {streetwalker}, {street girl}, {hooker}, {hustler}, < 1348299834 165637 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : {floozy}, {floozie}, {slattern}] < 1348299837 115443 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not that. < 1348299850 266268 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched this is spinal tap today. it occured to me at some point that the main motivation for programming to be performance art is so that programmer fashion can happen < 1348299929 108402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348301024 56506 :xroslight!~xroslight@27.197.68.255 PART :#esoteric < 1348301821 535368 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348301834 947408 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348301869 530823 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348302351 2836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348303580 27057 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348303609 321335 :atriq!~Taneb@host-92-17-12-26.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1348304025 571472 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348305096 260465 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1334D6.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348305425 128694 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1348306435 516866 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348311207 621935 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1348311230 470507 :yiyus!~124271242@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1348311435 283201 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1348311830 661199 :JaBoJa|!~JaBoJa@public-gprs378518.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348311878 378801 :JaBoJa|!~JaBoJa@public-gprs378518.centertel.pl NICK :jaboja < 1348313683 306737 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348313707 192451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348314256 744471 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348314669 650665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348315883 326642 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-165.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348316549 184970 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B1334D6.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427] < 1348316680 774275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Now the Jolverine loops work again < 1348317323 317340 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1348317323 374597 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1348317719 299951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so if you're looking for a (reasonably sensible) syntax for something that can be a list or tuple or both, what should it be? < 1348318037 233723 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rojoerj < 1348318044 567250 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :,, ,, , , , < 1348318048 875366 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ? | ( | ) ? ? < 1348318053 961998 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :``` < 1348318059 414751 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ``: not found < 1348318111 786452 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::Q < 1348319091 86139 :xiaoding!~GaoMing@27.115.83.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348319096 263812 :xiaoding!~GaoMing@27.115.83.149 PART :#esoteric < 1348319223 40587 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how about {x,y} < 1348319224 569340 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or [x,y] < 1348319225 983056 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or (x,y) < 1348319235 3113 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :former is probably my favourite although {} are often overloaded for other purposes < 1348319240 155131 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is also an option < 1348319246 78173 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[x,y] i find ugly for tuples, (x,y) i find ugly for lists < 1348319258 884006 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: however i would question what your distinction between list and tupl eis < 1348319265 755822 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :& if such an overloaded literal actually makes sense given that < 1348319281 506243 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qqqqQQqqqQ*$(@(##(@#*(@#*(@#*(@*(*(@((@~)------------oooooooooooooooooooooooooo===>>>>>>$>$>$>$>$ < 1348319343 385784 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice rant by arc_koen in the logs < 1348319459 624060 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.228.168 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what is the internet < 1348319575 492714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dajfsa: Internet is the TCP/IP computer network connected by everything. < 1348319749 939991 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :+x,y- < 1348319907 625602 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348320007 898868 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1348320007 999948 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1348320010 141010 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1348320394 662585 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348320421 866384 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348320554 975647 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. many things in the logs! < 1348320595 739451 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as? < 1348320885 431046 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348320958 77524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wikipedia article for call/cc describes to access the continuation from outside of call/cc, and I think I have made that work with Haskell too by making up a newtype of it. < 1348320981 570628 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, isn't that in Control.Monad.Cont? < 1348321057 935467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: There is Cont and ContT in there, but I mean I could make something like this: newtype C r x = C (C r x -> Cont r x); which I think would be the correct type to return the current continuation from callCC. < 1348321077 150440 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1348321087 274337 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still haven't understood call/cc < 1348321125 561852 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read the Wikipedia it describe. The esolang wiki article for Unlambda also links to some related information. < 1348321135 351544 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: such as whales! < 1348321139 987091 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log whale < 1348321174 279318 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1348321179 984158 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log whale < 1348321193 281194 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-07-23.txt:00:17:06: very like a whale < 1348321204 244813 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log wales < 1348321216 490269 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2010-12-26.txt:05:18:39: rms doesn't quite give the same air as jimbo wales < 1348321229 164581 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log wails < 1348321236 539556 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-09-22.txt:13:40:29: `log wails < 1348321249 589441 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [w]ails < 1348321256 82238 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-09-22.txt:13:40:29: `log wails < 1348321260 554700 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [w]ails < 1348321267 644226 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-09-22.txt:13:40:56: 2012-09-22.txt:13:40:29: `log wails < 1348321273 119836 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine < 1348321291 231423 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log [w]ells < 1348321299 399069 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007-11-30.txt:20:08:20: Giving the old ones energy would make them temperature wells; creating and destroying particles would make them pressure wells. < 1348321309 877067 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:Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348342611 136764 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348342771 344844 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who even is dajfsa < 1348343050 305331 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348343699 890012 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348344680 504642 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1348345321 278546 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348347442 481090 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348347955 196854 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1348348183 651726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.msr-inria.inria.fr/events-news/feit-thompson-proved-in-coq < 1348348542 338556 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-165.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1348348642 744992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wow. i think this is actually quite big. < 1348348714 559612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: roconnor was just talking about that at his talk the other day. < 1348348720 356667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He did some of it, I think. < 1348348851 788468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he's listed in the sidebar of that page... < 1348348903 790274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not directly related though < 1348348912 526778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(afaict) < 1348348923 274348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Galois Connections, Poset-Enriched Categorical Logic, and Type Theory < 1348349017 605925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to me that the larger the proof of a theorem, the more important it is to get it formally verified < 1348349032 319650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although of course the more difficult, too < 1348349232 396671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: was it you who changed C-INTERCAL to use an actual bool type? < 1348349260 242264 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :COPUMPKIN < 1348349312 5410 :COPUMPKIN!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1348349743 727116 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERNET < 1348349746 652041 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERNET, TELL ME < 1348349749 390508 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I buy an accordion? < 1348349774 154312 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you able to play the accordion, or are you able to get accordion lessons? < 1348349790 182633 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am able to play the piano and various other instruments, and am not incompetent. < 1348349800 184596 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the answer is hell < 1348349801 584126 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freaking < 1348349802 700338 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1348349812 76036 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm SO CHEAP. < 1348349824 805172 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, it was your idea < 1348349837 249930 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, go to anime conventions dressed as an esolang < 1348349845 517937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: thanks for giving me my first r/math post, btw :P < 1348349864 628496 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(should totally be a thing that happens) < 1348349867 694938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, first reddit post whatsoever < 1348349904 110886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feit-Thompson theorem has been, like, TOTALLY checked in Coq < 1348349935 648675 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first reddit post was a Muse/Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff mashup on /r/homestuck/ that received one downvote and no comments < 1348350002 836536 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1348350106 861688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: :( < 1348350157 762948 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 notes on Tumblr, though! < 1348350173 642565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I like Debian's condensed version of INTERCAL's development history: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/version.cgi?info=1;collapse=1;found=0.29-2;package=intercal < 1348350181 520335 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When me posting a screenshot of a tweet got 12... < 1348350224 120077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1348350273 940027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I watched some episodes of that television series. < 1348350279 698938 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one? < 1348350290 217495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poset-Enriched Categorical Logic: The Television Series? < 1348350314 95361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Breaking Bad_ < 1348350323 606361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1348350331 901592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you watching it from the beginning? < 1348350342 467593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones I watched were the first ones. < 1348350495 416096 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1348351185 822657 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348351386 170298 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348351463 125401 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've just blown someone's mind by playing along with someone else's joke < 1348351513 602207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how evil. < 1348351537 112342 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've convinced her that Power Rangers was originally a British series < 1348351540 467914 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that it was awful < 1348351878 840724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :power rangers is actually a spinoff of dr. who < 1348351950 179403 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :power doctors, doctor rangers, ranger who < 1348351959 334396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'For example in Mighty Morphin, alien wizard Zordon recruits "teenagers with attitude" to harness the power of the dinosaurs to overcome the forces of evil space alien Rita Repulsa.' < 1348351970 658386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really cannot make this show sound more awful than it actually is < 1348352071 544859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, Dr. Who? < 1348352176 927129 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked Power Rangers when I was a kid. < 1348352193 41775 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think I did recognize how repetitive it is < 1348352194 377474 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :alien "wizard", recruits teenagers, fights evil space aliens... that's doctor who indeed < 1348352234 55347 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348352332 639247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi monqy < 1348352342 653096 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1348352889 980350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:27 If you guys were to explain monads to a newbie, how would you do it? < 1348352908 368106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably leave now. :-( < 1348353185 406544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Badly. < 1348353529 266268 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348353922 907421 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348354168 63514 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhhiii < 1348354189 569137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome segorev < 1348354200 421638 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :segorev: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1348354253 721078 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1348354260 846706 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1348354289 646147 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We also talk about: maths, Haskell, Homestuck, Dwarf Fortress, Finland, television, Gregor's taste in clothes and accessories... < 1348354301 976815 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know) < 1348354305 290952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham < 1348354315 411869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Hexham a kind of Finland? < 1348354329 898391 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My taste in clothes is AMAZING, TYVM. < 1348354341 365295 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham's a kind of Dwarf Fortress < 1348354353 739494 :benuphoenix!benuphoeni@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e1f7 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348354355 487787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is television a kind of maths? < 1348354359 88617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even own one. < 1348354362 143848 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows? < 1348354406 277069 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you own kinds of maths? < 1348354408 309406 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Television /involves/ math :) < 1348354427 940887 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Television? TV?) < 1348354437 267621 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :You wouldn't steal a kind of maths! < 1348354457 8368 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Television and math? Is this stuff compatible? < 1348354502 759018 :benuphoenix!benuphoeni@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e1f7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :question: if a system wih 12GB of ram costs $1000 and the same system with 16GB costs $1200, is the sstem with more ram worth it? < 1348354523 869921 :benuphoenix!benuphoeni@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e1f7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tggggggggghtjuuy0v= < 1348354530 382769 :benuphoenix!benuphoeni@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e1f7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1348354533 846427 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much would it cost to buy the additional RAM separately? < 1348354543 883311 :benuphoenix!benuphoeni@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e1f7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1348354566 553756 :benuphoenix!benuphoeni@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e1f7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but imd need the unit beforehand < 1348354567 885845 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that ECC RAM or something? Because normal DDR3 RAM is *much* cheaper than that. < 1348354626 629748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : tggggggggghtjuuy0v= <-- what _is_ with the weird words people use today < 1348354655 425313 :benuphoenix!benuphoeni@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e1f7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 4gb ddr3-1333 chip costs? < 1348354675 841344 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1333? That’s even cheaper than what i was thinking of. < 1348354704 202849 :benuphoenix!benuphoeni@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e1f7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this system bad now that it uses 1333? < 1348354773 717573 :benuphoenix!benuphoeni@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e1f7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's gotta be something else < 1348354807 886081 :benuphoenix!benuphoeni@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e1f7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on road. i'll get back to you when i get home < 1348354808 204299 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :benuphoenix: In Finland, 16.90 € http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/15419/cbdjm/Kingston-Valueram-2GB-1333MHz-DDR3-CL9-muistimoduli < 1348354816 456410 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops, sorry < 1348354819 694382 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread. < 1348354853 528761 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :benuphoenix: 19.90 € http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/4110/dghjq/Kingston-HyperX-blu-4-GB-1600-MHz-DDR3-CL9-muistimoduli < 1348354879 807158 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, the 4 GiB Valueram 1333 MHz and HyperX 1600 MHz modules have the same price. < 1348354908 290117 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does byte start with a t in finnish? < 1348354949 343654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tybä < 1348354993 335847 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :gigatavua, apparently < 1348355040 113984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not big on b's, come to think of it < 1348355144 176546 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they even have it at all? < 1348355160 933951 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Even though everyone learned that you don’t “translate” international unit symbols, Microsoft™ followed by the Finnish media began changing B to t for some reason. < 1348355180 386491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: television is mostly cardboard and drugs and only a little bit math < 1348355190 815955 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+in school < 1348355212 67345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION read that as "only a little bit meth" < 1348355220 985371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch more breaking bad < 1348355226 99807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blamc < 1348355391 60054 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Finnish is written with [an] alphabet that includes the distinct characters Ä and Ö, and also several characters (b, c, f, q, w, x, z and å) reserved for words of non-Finnish origin." < 1348355535 261222 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wax < 1348355562 690918 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a ridiculous Finnish word that everyone should know? < 1348355575 822275 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yliesierikoisapulaisvaravaurioraivausvuorovarausratkaisupäällikkö < 1348355580 745040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"suomi" < 1348355583 527407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means "silly person" < 1348355589 88479 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, what does that mean? < 1348355645 319045 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google reckon's it's probably Finnish for something but has no idea what < 1348355667 466509 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to add spaces to help it parse out the words in the word < 1348355681 475270 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone on the Intertubes translated it as “chief superior pre-special assistant vice damage-clearing turn reservation solution executive” but i’m not sure that’s 100 % correct. < 1348355699 388251 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(“pre-special”, huh?) < 1348355750 649650 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're the finnish person here, you should know right? < 1348355761 361761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is Finnish! < 1348355773 320247 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: prove it < 1348355777 970806 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know what it means in Finnish but i’m not familiar enough with title jargon in English. < 1348355795 857083 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, there's about half a dozen finns online at any one time < 1348355850 933297 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, the proper translation for esi- in this case would be fore-, not pre-. < 1348355879 216127 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fore-special? < 1348355910 195884 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fore- isn’t really attached to the following word, you’d need to change the word order as well to translate it properly. < 1348355917 100353 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the esi- < 1348355924 667282 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yliesi is like over-pre-something? < 1348355956 427834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :overformynderiet < 1348355958 926051 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on < 1348355975 694056 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it about half two in the morning in Finland < 1348355978 134595 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time ion < 1348355978 642726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for ion is Sun, 23 Sep 2012 02:19:38 +0300 < 1348355991 257864 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT MEANS GOODNIGHT < 1348355993 716849 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348356011 836921 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did he quit because it is late in finland? < 1348356033 263585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, everyone knows hexham is in finland < 1348356038 221658 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here’s a long single word. The previous one was a compound word. kumarreksituteskenteleentuvaisehkollaismaisekkuudellisenneskenteluttelemattomammuuksissansakaankopahan < 1348356070 302095 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that not compound? is it all suffixes and conjugations? < 1348356091 969794 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1348356122 87416 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it breaks google translate somehow, maybe they have a finnish parser that is actually trying to parse the word < 1348356183 440904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't google translate work purely statistically with no builtin language knowledge? < 1348356255 940297 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, afaik < 1348356291 982975 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, I took the time to rate this translation "unhelpful" < 1348356350 663694 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Kerbal Space Program hate me ;_; < 1348356557 706347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's probably written in a brainfuck derivative < 1348356570 473801 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's written in c# < 1348356589 972726 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a Gerbil Space Program < 1348356597 15356 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is in many ways a brainfuck derivative < 1348356603 549872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a little known fact < 1348356627 207212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the greatest success of the gluing things to skateboards principle < 1348356636 330987 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking about it, wouldn't gerbils need practically just as big rockets to get into orbit as the human space program? < 1348356699 439381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the size of the rocket would be proportional to the mass of the payload < 1348356781 721619 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but is the mass of the payload proportional to the size of humans? < 1348356875 570593 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348356886 584355 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently the average adult gerbil weighs about 70 g ... they're a lot more smaller than I thought < 1348356921 57954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner clearly has been thinking of gerbils as fearsome human-sized monsters < 1348357067 422678 :benuphoenix!benuphoeni@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e1f7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is better: intel h67 chipset or intel b75 chipset?\ < 1348357227 433315 :benuphoenix!benuphoeni@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e1f7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ion, oerjan? Continuing conversation from before... < 1348357434 497442 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea < 1348357463 515089 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can tell you which language I'm currently mostly interested in: Clojure. This is completely unhelpful for your question, though. < 1348357520 762512 :benuphoenix!benuphoeni@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e1f7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh...h67 is sandy bridge and b75 is ivy bridge < 1348357531 181423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Wait, you're interested in Clojure?! < 1348357532 853799 :benuphoenix!benuphoeni@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e1f7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i want the ivy, right? < 1348357631 820102 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(dotimes [n 500] (println "Yes, shachaf.")) < 1348357642 132079 :benuphoenix!benuphoeni@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e1f7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially with an ivy processor < 1348357642 634657 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephoartigasia_monesi < 1348357646 791777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :benuphoenix: You want Haswell, dude. < 1348357655 808898 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what's wrong with Clojure? < 1348357682 660603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Nothin' < 1348357697 430479 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, actually I was just thinking approximately rabbit-sized) < 1348357811 321306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: so not like these, then? http://www.webcomicsnation.com/shaenongarrity/narbonic_plus/series.php?view=archive&chapter=14370 < 1348358139 145309 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming the gerbils were also working on this in the '60s, they'd need about a thousand gerbils' weight in computers < 1348358148 916424 :benuphoenix!benuphoeni@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e1f7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can't wait < 1348358530 569947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you know about SMEP? < 1348358571 125626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prevents the CPU from executing user-accessible memory in kernel mode < 1348358614 909865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you mentioned it in here a few days ago, I think. < 1348358621 568973 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348358632 838012 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1348358644 353557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this will result in kernel exploits being more interesting :) < 1348358715 344517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it does not actually provide much security, because userspace NX exploitation is already such a well-developed field < 1348358854 82715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how much overhead all these things have. < 1348358865 331745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMEP should have basically no overhead < 1348358874 952026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're talking about processor performance < 1348358889 314084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but things like -fstack-protector do have some. < 1348358892 187647 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1348358898 336195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean overall compared to "if we didn't have to worry about security". < 1348358901 677011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did some measurements for the mosh hardening project < 1348358908 19832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :results vary < 1348358912 682466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively "if we had better ways to deal with security issues than things like -fstack-protector". < 1348358929 137871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which we do, of course. But anyway.) < 1348358939 343964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes and no < 1348358941 836575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :defense in depth :) < 1348358950 517252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1348359054 114266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had this argument with ezyang when he suggested that SafeHaskell provides browser-quality sandboxing "for free" < 1348359078 777783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically, sure < 1348359084 700630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is very suspicious of things like SafeHaskell. < 1348359090 195887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And SecureECMAScript and all those. < 1348359097 216342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how much do you trust the GHC runtime system, a 50,000 line 20 year old concurrent C program? < 1348359114 574016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not to mention the implementation of SafeHaskell itself, which is very new < 1348359351 157733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course we all know that writing secure C code is easy if you are not an idiot < 1348359360 764174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(an idiot is anyone who ever makes a mistake) < 1348359417 465672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i write all my C code using randomly generated identifier names and no whitespace < 1348359426 47941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can't understand it, you have no business programming in C to begin with < 1348359430 924348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fresh < 1348359431 341212 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahp < 1348359440 632691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halp < 1348359445 720818 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't the JVM supposed to be a secure sandbox, in theory? < 1348359450 61168 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least for usages such as applets? < 1348359455 179140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1348359458 269018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (ord 'l' - ord 'h') * 26 < 1348359459 424418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 104 < 1348359461 739291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg clojure < 1348359485 138648 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Don't disclojure, man. < 1348359488 564965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1348359525 267439 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1348359555 273497 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, well, "supposed tp" doesn't always seem to work out :( < 1348359557 37751 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wish it did < 1348359564 725847 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*to < 1348359566 637781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, in theory JVM is secure, but it might have a bug, and anything which might have a bug is no better than nothing at all < 1348359576 636407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i run all my programs in ring 0 < 1348359587 315191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, linux might have a privilege escalation bug, so there is no point to even running any code in userspace < 1348359593 868131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok troll mode disengage < 1348359607 617907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The switch is stuck! < 1348359613 326612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pushes harder < 1348359641 105220 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=14xcsz43Kuw#t=16s < 1348359687 526022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "tr"++cycle"ol" < 1348359689 487595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "trolololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololololol... < 1348359715 762457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a trollcycle is a bicycle where the brakes don't work < 1348359728 554224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That's just a rollcycle < 1348359731 486649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1348359754 866108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope y'all're watching that video!!!!!! < 1348359756 454587 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run java -jar clojure-1.4.0.jar "(str [1 2 3])" < 1348359765 84852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1348359774 332834 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzz < 1348359777 964626 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exception in thread "main" java.io.FileNotFoundException: (str [1 2 3]) (No such file or directory) \.at java.io.FileInputStream.open(Native Method) \.at java.io.FileInputStream.(FileInputStream.java:137) \.at java.io.FileInputStream.(FileInputStream.java:96) \.at clojure.lang.Compiler.loadFile(Compiler.java:6909) \..at clojure.main$load_script.invoke(main.clj:283) \.at < 1348359790 474137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls < 1348359792 90102 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... uh < 1348359795 328779 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ clojure-1.4.0.jar \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs < 1348359808 631189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv clojure-1.4.0.jar /tmp/junk < 1348359812 29913 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1348359813 776651 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348359824 816612 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv /tmp/junk/clojure-1.4.0.jar ~ < 1348359827 873989 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mv: cannot stat `/tmp/junk/clojure-1.4.0.jar': No such file or directory < 1348359835 940092 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1348359855 33338 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1348359858 391629 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs < 1348359867 627774 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /tmp/junk < 1348359870 972660 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /tmp/junk: No such file or directory < 1348359873 423764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This channel doesn't need a Clojurebot. < 1348359890 453237 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a better clojurebot than clojurebot < 1348359895 974752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348359953 642271 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't entirely get what happened with /tmp/junk < 1348360010 848131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't either. < 1348360891 293982 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348362794 761042 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348362829 516604 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348363090 156303 :benuphoenix!benuphoeni@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e1f7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1348363095 747457 :benuphoenix!benuphoeni@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:feae:e1f7 PART :#esoteric < 1348363790 84779 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348364172 813102 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348364178 141549 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348364378 312907 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348364575 71230 :augur_!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348365108 313059 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348365268 790438 :augur_!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348365432 251931 :augur_!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348365622 997583 :augur_!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348366969 957259 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348367163 748313 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348367821 121807 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348367926 227373 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348368048 5474 :segorev!~cherep@217.172.23.118 QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1348368285 688083 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au NICK :itidus21 < 1348369054 805701 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348369126 508100 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hullo < 1348369720 730995 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know the call/cc yin yang? < 1348370582 331273 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348370587 302798 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348370832 411124 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348370837 318242 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348371498 128452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: getcc :: MonadCont m => m (m a) is a fun Cont thing. < 1348371691 967351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1348371799 749120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need fix to implement it, though. < 1348371819 859853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since you can use it to make infinite loops, of course.) < 1348371838 769646 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the delimited continuations library that currently exists for Clojure allows for the continuations to be passed to untransformed code < 1348371842 353830 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that would be cool < 1348371867 46449 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for some bizarre reason I'm under the impression that it should be theoretically possible < 1348371893 545661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the most unclojury topic in the world? < 1348371903 337179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet Sgeo could relate it to Clojure. < 1348371937 198928 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1348372186 532565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In C, a compound literal designates an unnamed object with static or automatic storage duration. In C++, a compound literal designates a temporary object, which only lives until the end of its full-expression. As a result, well-defined C code that takes the address of a subobject of a compound literal can be undefined in C++." < 1348372197 873192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes < 1348372226 837757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's fun. < 1348372230 754645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(compound literal is something like (struct foo) { 1, 2, 3 } ) < 1348372249 604460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that work with arrays? < 1348372261 451840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(int[3]){1,2,3} < 1348372275 476230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1348372278 670868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neat. < 1348372279 346300 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't C++ used to just compile to C? < 1348372279 647622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to GCC manual < 1348372298 351929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: C++ is a language not an implementation < 1348372311 779376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right that some C++ implementations work this way, including the first implementations < 1348372322 762204 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Cfront was the original compiler for C++ (then known as "C with Classes") from around 1983, which converted C++ to C' < 1348372352 54250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comeau C++ works this way too < 1348372367 96336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC worked that way too. < 1348372381 805823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not really. < 1348372394 470384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :compound literals weren't in C until C99 < 1348372400 113480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably if a C++ < 1348372402 23728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1348372431 548471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably a C++-to-C compiler translates C++ compound literals to something else in C < 1348372449 710073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but compound literals aren't in C++ either -- supporting them in C++ mode is a GNU extension < 1348372470 270466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :will there eventually be a version of C++ based on C99? is C++11 based on C99? < 1348372993 243243 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348373038 328067 :segorev!~cherep@193.34.208.210 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348373518 860290 :segorev!~cherep@193.34.208.210 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348373596 767538 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1348373782 838884 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, what do you think about emacs? < 1348374376 225933 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know the question was addressed to kmc, but, emacs is a substandard nes emulator < 1348374391 26314 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i have never used it < 1348374517 576576 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU GRUB 2 is a much better bootloader than Emacs. < 1348374730 304244 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was in 6th grade, I thought my book saying that some people consider emacs to be almost like an OS meant that I could literally boot into it from the CD. < 1348374742 771894 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping that that would help me fix my inability to boot my computer. < 1348374790 712675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for the Clojure tie-in. < 1348374815 644412 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure is currently my main motivation to learn Emacs... so that's a sort of tie-in. < 1348374834 180421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We got it! < 1348374843 169557 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You asked for it! < 1348374849 329622 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf professional clairvoyant??? < 1348374869 329277 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :When i was in 6th grade i hadn’t ever seen a CD in real life. < 1348374885 130664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: not professional :'( < 1348374890 747459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: will you pay me for it????????? < 1348374892 243259 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could've fooled me! < 1348374893 36294 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1348374893 130221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(answer: no) < 1348374895 822082 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would give you my money < 1348374902 936071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you have a money < 1348374903 801322 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can turn it into future telling < 1348374905 977301 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can < 1348374914 792770 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have money though < 1348374953 803491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy::;what if i giv emo you moa a money? < 1348375034 960289 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :give money to yourself and then maybe you will be able to tell the future for yourself < 1348375038 37008 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the future like < 1348375067 77299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the future i havea as much amoney as the present :'( < 1348375196 791383 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the future there will be flying cars and public holograms < 1348377179 158710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The MMC5 Famicom mapper can use ExRAM as an extra nametable or attribute table, but when used in this mode, it is write-only, and if the PPU is not rendering, it will write zero instead of the value you are trying to write. Do you know what logic causes this to happen? < 1348378058 737577 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348378086 21322 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348378302 101594 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1348379506 503075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does a RAM chip normally do if some of the address lines are not connected? < 1348379575 587513 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1348379746 638512 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Client Quit < 1348380358 264620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348383204 739594 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-174-33.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348383204 863634 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348383204 889378 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348383205 72100 :Sanqui!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348383205 341686 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1348383220 140712 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348383367 270471 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348383879 263508 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is newtype CList a = CList ((a -> CList a -> a) -> a) a Functor? < 1348383886 532788 :nvt!nvt@kapsi.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348383933 900899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Doesn't look like a Functor, since it's invariant (?). < 1348383963 783830 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's meant to be a homogenous church list < 1348383996 645338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typed Church lists are generally homogeneous, aren't they? < 1348384003 778088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty foldr < 1348384005 127438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (a -> b -> b) -> b -> [a] -> b < 1348384006 520125 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps < 1348384017 343035 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1348384019 36781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :type ChurchList a = forall b. (a -> b -> b) -> b -> b < 1348384062 804628 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, an infinite church list, apparently < 1348384084 203881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b -> b) -> b? < 1348384095 728247 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> CList a -> a) -> a < 1348384104 81420 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've just woken up < 1348384114 270168 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't read edwardk when I'm half asleep < 1348384120 41352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying for a Scott list instead of a Church list? < 1348384120 323396 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I shouldn't follow my dreams < 1348384123 570729 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/list/stream/g < 1348384126 503468 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1348384128 236173 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? < 1348384159 42153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "Boehm-Berarducci", as Oleg apparently pointed out? < 1348384178 50592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, no. < 1348384182 11150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.haskell.cafe/100508 < 1348384184 347852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's ChurchList. < 1348384212 756646 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-174-33.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1348384212 776300 :Sanqui!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky JOIN :#esoteric < 1348384212 776424 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran JOIN :#esoteric < 1348384212 776500 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1348384398 387043 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My attempts to do a church list without making a new type result in infinite types < 1348384438 396665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're probably trying for a Scott list instead of a Churchy list. < 1348384464 981680 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Churchy is foldr. < 1348384480 580060 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1348384483 657930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such that clist (:) [] == actualList < 1348384493 977902 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix (pair 1 . unsafeCoerce) seems to work < 1348384513 663348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's not pairs. < 1348384517 490878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will stop now. < 1348384520 183320 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1348384526 572869 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not doing a Church list < 1348384537 816651 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing something which until now I thought was called a church list < 1348384550 349233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK -- you need recursive types for a recursive Scott encoding. < 1348384935 973402 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1348385158 143531 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, shachaf < 1348385162 443343 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've been a real help < 1348385207 516630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1348385234 548775 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With my SECOND HASKELL OBFUSCATION < 1348385448 192207 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \h t c n -> c h (t c n) < 1348385449 283964 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t t1 t2 t3. t -> ((t -> t2 -> t3) -> t1 -> t2) -> (t -> t2 -> t3) -> t1 -> t3 < 1348385463 119450 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap (const ap) (ap (const (ap (const ap))) (ap (const (ap (const const))) (ap (const (ap id)) const))) < 1348385464 222782 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b a b1 b2. b -> ((b -> a -> b1) -> b2 -> a) -> (b -> a -> b1) -> b2 -> b1 < 1348385607 394398 :nvt!nvt@kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348386280 260234 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348386298 938522 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1348386305 676787 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna need unsafeCoerce anyway < 1348386367 449513 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woo! Core dump! < 1348387041 139614 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you do and why did you do it < 1348387073 505166 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more questions: why didn't you not do it < 1348387090 774955 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guilt and shame: you could have avoided it < 1348387111 155401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Could I have avoided guilt and shame? < 1348387123 186546 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you guilty of something shameful < 1348387140 383642 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, I used to many unsafeCoerces, for fun, because MY MIND COMMANDED TO ME, yes and I did < 1348387159 683128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I don't know. :-( < 1348387168 951912 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you may or may not have already avoided it < 1348387378 110097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point monqy. < 1348387384 836799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good poinqy. < 1348387390 952295 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-0-183.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1348387453 657448 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Identity 1 >> Identity 'a' < 1348387454 769286 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show < 1348387454 957374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Data.Functor.Identity.I... < 1348387461 496890 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runIdentity (Identity 1 >> Identity 'a') < 1348387462 679020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'a' < 1348387471 730648 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> const id 1 'a' < 1348387472 809842 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'a' < 1348387821 276991 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-165.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348388138 739132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1348389340 406333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348389509 65578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:25:53: I don't entirely get what happened with /tmp/junk < 1348389509 84226 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:26:50: I don't either. < 1348389572 682394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am guessing that it disappeared when HackEgo's chroot was wiped out; only the HackEgo directory is kept in the repository. < 1348389581 354006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /tmp < 1348389593 334846 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1348389610 503412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls / < 1348389614 251074 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ dev \ etc \ hackenv \ home \ lib \ lib64 \ opt \ proc \ sbin \ sys \ tmp \ usr \ var < 1348389628 282057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo test >/tmp/test123 < 1348389631 754767 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1348389635 453909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /tmp < 1348389639 639560 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1348389647 550104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo test >/tmp/test123; ls /tmp < 1348389651 130920 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :test123 < 1348389663 563275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pwd < 1348389666 527406 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1348389681 157747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything you want kept needs to be put in there < 1348389746 909796 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo test >/blah < 1348389750 819827 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: /blah: Permission denied < 1348389773 810184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /var < 1348389776 970147 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :irclogs < 1348390329 763856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is newtype CList a = CList ((a -> CList a -> a) -> a) a Functor? < 1348390387 27531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that scott thing aside, i think that should be newtype CList a = CList (forall b. (a -> CList a -> b) -> b) < 1348390408 610635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it might be a functor < 1348390537 363630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmap f (CList l) = CList $ \p -> l (\a as -> p (f a) (fmap f as)) or so < 1348390607 590830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if that lambda needs to be extracted to get an explicit type annotation < 1348390657 556527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not, since that's similar to legal stuff with runST < 1348391545 163097 :atriq!~nathan@host-78-148-13-125.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348391633 998554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Your FAQ is at the top of the Google results for «haskell faq» now! < 1348392444 383183 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348393175 381073 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1348395115 955157 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348395785 617071 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1348395792 400293 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1348395981 696137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'da < 1348395983 95117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1348397097 291196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0 :+ 1) ** (0 :+ 1) < 1348397098 414880 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.20787957635076193 :+ 0.0 < 1348397912 723489 :xzy!~xzy@218.79.228.12 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348397936 852076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome xzy < 1348397940 492000 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xzy: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1348398013 658463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's very quiet this time of week/day < 1348399034 478791 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348399499 595219 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348399500 932895 :asiekierka_!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1348399540 157361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A time of week/day that's not a weekday. < 1348399655 239508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well basically _both_ the time of week and time of day are about pessimal now < 1348399959 341267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I had a week-wrapped graph too, but http://xn--nxa.zem.fi/~fis/test7h.png says 9-10am Finnish time (it's now about 14:32) is more pessimal. < 1348399976 753046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that this is much better. < 1348399990 542344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's also slightly old.) < 1348400010 374955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok that's worse < 1348400044 217571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, http://xn--nxa.zem.fi/~fis/test12.png seems to suggest the difference is smaller; that's IIRC a newer plot. < 1348400059 581845 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Newer, not new.) < 1348400077 599686 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348400123 824440 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348400131 459326 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-0-183.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1348400136 421175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it had cpressey and alise in it :P < 1348400164 776753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one before had ehird and AnMaster, so... < 1348400577 10565 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348400980 900264 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0 ** 0 < 1348400982 33335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0 < 1348400986 452060 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1348401001 473381 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't that give an error? < 1348401007 76736 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0 ^ 0 < 1348401008 239060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1348401034 920805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0 ^^ 0 < 1348401035 946251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0 < 1348401047 369873 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :>0 ´pow´ 0 < 1348401054 406016 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh pow doesn't exist? < 1348401075 120401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, and if it did, that wouldn't be the right syntax < 1348401102 14785 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry my haskell knowledge is virtually zero < 1348401117 295100 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0^^0 < 1348401118 93096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the three operators above < 1348401118 357706 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0 < 1348401124 458855 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why is that 1? < 1348401134 372897 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be undefined or something? < 1348401155 834578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is more useful for it to be 1. < 1348401168 32468 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isNaN 0/0 < 1348401169 1507 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Real.Fractional GHC.Bool.Bool) < 1348401169 190117 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use o... < 1348401182 425582 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isNaN (0 / 0) < 1348401183 846337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1348401202 406199 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isNaN 0^0 < 1348401203 426655 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num GHC.Bool.Bool) < 1348401203 614482 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `GHC.R... < 1348401206 23454 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1348401215 126602 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isNaN (0^0) < 1348401216 327755 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1348401236 9690 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it more useful for 0^0 = 1? < 1348401261 577577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ^ and ^^, presumably it makes no sense to waste time checking the first argument for equality to 0 < 1348401277 452334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for **, you have to ask the IEEE floating point standard < 1348401303 313072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for ^ , because it makes polynomials work naturally < 1348401441 475923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [sum [a*x^n | (a,n) <- zip [0..] [1,2,3]] | x <- [0..5]] < 1348401442 697893 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,3,20,63,144,275] < 1348401508 560726 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348401832 677977 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I round infinity, this happens: < 1348401833 747815 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> round (1/0) < 1348401834 821489 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 179769313486231590772930519078902473361797697894230657273430081157732675805... < 1348401842 282904 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1348401864 718479 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty round (1/0) < 1348401865 768040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b. (Integral b) => b < 1348401900 426774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length . show $ round (1/0) < 1348401902 742806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 309 < 1348401908 952354 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is infinity integral anyway? < 1348401917 261905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't < 1348401924 233462 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why is there no type error? < 1348401926 132019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :round always gives an integral result < 1348401929 567134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t round < 1348401930 758431 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. (RealFrac a, Integral b) => a -> b < 1348401936 306544 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isInfinity (1/0) < 1348401937 466432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `isInfinity' < 1348401950 735506 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isInfinite (1/0) < 1348401951 793169 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1348401979 93795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall that round(1/0) thing from before... < 1348401979 187221 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t isInfinite < 1348401980 514552 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (RealFloat a) => a -> Bool < 1348401984 25753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10^309 < 1348401985 248024 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000... < 1348401994 184945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10^309 :: Double < 1348401995 357981 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity < 1348401999 762355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10^308 :: Double < 1348402000 888245 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0000000000000006e308 < 1348402005 469661 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 10^309 < 1348402006 740173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Num t) => t < 1348402023 963183 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b6e.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 1**1 < 1348402025 288330 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Floating t) => t < 1348402030 814329 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fininity is a RealFloat? < 1348402034 413110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.79769e308 :: Double < 1348402034 600734 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*infinity < 1348402035 508481 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.79769e308 < 1348402040 419151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.7977e308 :: Double < 1348402041 550782 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity < 1348402064 166338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically converting the largest possible Double to Integer < 1348402069 542292 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fininity < 1348402070 759781 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `fininity' < 1348402084 32987 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sin(1/0) < 1348402085 313628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN < 1348402086 815192 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that works < 1348402104 424654 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google fininity < 1348402105 862886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.spellingcenter.com/fininity < 1348402106 50613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: fininity. Suggestions for fininity provided by Spelling Center of the the Free O ... < 1348402109 966513 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> even (1/0) < 1348402111 40265 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `t' in the constraints: < 1348402111 228202 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `GHC.Real.Fractional t' < 1348402111 246753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1348402116 694275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the round thing is probably an accident < 1348402167 858222 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> floatDigits (1/0) < 1348402168 949943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 53 < 1348402177 952493 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :That must be an accident too? < 1348402232 404132 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google finninity < 1348402233 345197 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitter.com/pyyvaara/statuses/200636046323617795 < 1348402233 531061 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Twitter / Pyyvaara: Just met a Finn! She was jamming ... < 1348402237 944602 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> decodeFloat (1/0) < 1348402238 979349 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (4503599627370496,972) < 1348402251 22665 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> decodeFloat (2/0) < 1348402252 51554 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (4503599627370496,972) < 1348402265 256291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> floatDigits (undefined :: Double) -- no accident < 1348402266 343912 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 53 < 1348402274 553670 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4503599627370496 ^972 < 1348402275 803014 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 182012343000035853826900847249801744536541097171706064167428854069310344820... < 1348402289 757397 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isInfinite (4503599627370496 ^972) < 1348402290 869711 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1348402304 316298 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isInfinite (4503599627370495 ^972) < 1348402305 554442 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1348402319 377698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isInfinite (10^309) < 1348402320 455575 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1348402327 57525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BIT OVERKILL THERE < 1348402335 665129 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> isInfinite (decodeFloat (1/0 - 1 ) ) < 1348402336 668012 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Float.RealFloat < 1348402336 855784 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (GHC.Integer.Type.... < 1348402350 236155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isInfinite isn't definite for integrals < 1348402353 786051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*defined < 1348402375 27754 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or tuples, for that matter < 1348402393 102714 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :let inf = decodeFloat (1/0 - 1 ) in isInfinite (first inf ^ second inf) < 1348402405 445879 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let inf = decodeFloat (1/0 - 1 ) in isInfinite (first inf ^ second inf) < 1348402406 675580 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Control.Arrow.Arrow (,)) < 1348402406 863079 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `Control... < 1348402409 748086 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1348402413 692274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realize that's not what decodeFloat does, right? < 1348402422 818671 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1348402459 489002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :If decodeFloat x yields (m,n), then x is equal in value to m*b^^n, where b is the floating-point radix, [...] < 1348402492 122727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4503599627370495 * 2^972 < 1348402493 247136 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 179769313486231550856124328384506240234343437157459335924404872448581845754... < 1348402546 785768 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exponent (0/1) < 1348402547 937542 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1348402576 754947 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exponent ( 1 ^10000) < 1348402577 993447 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1348402592 688166 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exponent ( 4503599627370495 * 2^972 ) < 1348402593 833923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1024 < 1348402595 185658 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I see < 1348402606 921211 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's nice < 1348402649 593827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4503599627370495 * 2^972 :: Double < 1348402650 680807 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.7976931348623155e308 < 1348402769 208635 :bastien_!~bastien@ALille-553-1-78-68.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1348402954 25137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Later < 1348403138 911414 :bastien_!~bastien@ALille-553-1-78-68.w86-192.abo.wanadoo.fr PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1348403301 960042 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348403698 121274 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348403910 328761 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1348404330 553247 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1348404808 63949 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b6e.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348405457 111570 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348406015 305340 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348406888 649210 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348406916 349129 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348407543 228417 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1348408052 50211 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b6e.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348408137 703350 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1348409305 397681 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 6.67e-11 * ((5000 * 6000) / 1000^2) < 1348409306 554879 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2.001e-9 < 1348410194 748041 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348411367 220166 :Effilry!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348411535 442093 :Effilry!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Changing host < 1348411535 498710 :Effilry!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1348411545 2162 :Effilry!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly NICK :FireFly < 1348412019 558024 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348412035 268403 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348412431 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< 1348418298 757737 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you know about gcc -finstrument-functions < 1348418326 169945 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1348420167 141160 :chicken1!~chicken@88-190-32-81.rev.dedibox.fr NICK :chickenzilla < 1348421023 174954 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b6e.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348421630 266086 :SHUPFS!~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348424061 755951 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1348424602 577040 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-78.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1348424902 682011 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-150-106.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348424929 411712 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-150-106.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone recommend some software for using a desktop recorder thingy as a webcam? < 1348425145 612517 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-23-97.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348425873 313232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't say that I recommend such software, atriq < 1348425881 166810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Nope. < 1348425896 675691 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348426042 186952 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348426272 303024 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348426367 782451 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-78.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1348427379 984508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you know of a tool which is like strace or ltrace but traces regular userspace function calls? < 1348427387 493962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be possible to build such a thing with Valgrind or Pin < 1348427401 690959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i have not yet found a premade strace-like solution < 1348427478 611194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: As in every call(/jump) instruction? < 1348427515 634463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1348427533 218583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably only calls < 1348427550 1692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, like, tail calls, man! < 1348427554 660257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1348427555 514380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, nothing comes to mind. < 1348427573 715891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you would log calls and jumps, but ignore them when the target is in the middle of a function < 1348427577 862435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gdb might be able to do it by single-stepping? < 1348427584 367243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(defined according to the placement of symbols in .text) < 1348427590 95831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that will be hellaciously slow though < 1348427595 600016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus again, not a ready-made solution < 1348427610 905153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1348427629 148869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a breakpoint at every function entry will be very slow < 1348427646 296356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, valgrind is also very slow. < 1348427663 43860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :strace would be very slow if it did its stracey thing at every function call, too. < 1348427696 418532 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends what you mean by the "stracey thing" < 1348427710 338772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involves context switching to the strace process, and then some additional ptrace system calls < 1348427722 18036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of which should be necessary for userspace call tracing < 1348427734 14778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or for system call tracing for that matter -- but system calls are slow either way < 1348427749 132654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but they're the equivalent of what gdb would do. :-) < 1348427755 872105 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is aware that's not a very good argument. < 1348427945 332578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is valgrind actually that slow even with the null tool? < 1348427960 900440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default memcheck tool is slow because it has to do a bunch of memory accounting < 1348428046 739877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Callgrind will not be able to collect any information, including calls, but it will have at most a slowdown of around 4, which is the minimum Valgrind overhead" < 1348428139 538287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1348428195 832585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am on this train of thought because i realized that I find strace to be much more useful than GDB, as a debugging tool < 1348428330 952602 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-97-150-106.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348428765 984142 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-150-106.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348428862 720701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348428881 172294 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1348429878 452780 :xzy!~xzy@218.79.228.12 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1348430550 420529 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-150-106.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/557161_435025123200414_1140631525_n.jpg < 1348430553 725173 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-150-106.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I count as sane? < 1348430624 611987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :insane, and very very hungry. stay away from that guy. < 1348430636 210154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Depends on the type of debugging. < 1348430793 856015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at a different abstraction level, and the kernel-userspace boundary happens to be really nice for "what is this program really doing, in the end?" < 1348430805 453446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1348430832 131355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i attach userspace tracing to some random program, i won't know what the functions are anyway < 1348430856 39700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also, i like that strace immediately gives you some probably useful output, which you can then post-process in ad-hoc ways, search in vim, etc < 1348430877 106364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't particularly have to decide what 'experiment' you're going to run < 1348430894 534300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1348430935 716685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way I just tested how slow 'ls' gets if you put a breakpoint on every function < 1348430942 417309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took almost 2 minutes to list a small directory < 1348430985 582366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sbout gdb in recotd mofe? < 1348430991 457574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :record mode < 1348430997 80372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1348431019 180437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reverse-debugging thing. < 1348431039 892720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't it have all the same information? < 1348431069 338147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the function call history? < 1348431070 948121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i guess so < 1348431073 702182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea how it works < 1348431259 249963 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348431291 421802 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@esc63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348431857 283973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348432273 580534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such thing as discrete logic hardware optimizer? < 1348432916 969303 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-165.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348432973 237601 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348432993 863096 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1348432998 699356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1348433001 755549 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-150-106.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1348433121 202742 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to make the call/cc yin yang with Haskell, yesterday. < 1348433140 656304 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-150-106.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hurrah! < 1348433288 569424 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :surprisngly many people don't seem to notice away message < 1348433342 789224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking! < 1348433586 297820 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend semt me messages for 10 hours while I was /away IRL < 1348433871 124042 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@esc63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348433919 139190 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@esc63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348433945 386426 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@esc63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348434005 998098 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@esc63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348434249 893855 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@esc63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348434254 851375 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-97-150-106.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348434319 93482 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@esc63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348434477 463707 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348434820 601809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 10x programmer isn't cool < 1348434825 981611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's cool? a 10,000x programmer < 1348434876 361346 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348435044 411114 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348435045 23970 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@esc63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348435110 61388 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@esc63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348435110 772956 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@esc63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348435193 250979 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1348435401 642292 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348436085 717863 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rages at the GIL < 1348436182 249188 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :threading the python? < 1348436684 363067 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1348437895 188216 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more accurately < 1348437895 996913 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be < 1348437899 862859 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the GIL weren't going to screw me over < 1348437968 810876 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) life with python < 1348440365 861461 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1348440496 204391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348441037 912589 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grrr < 1348441224 915326 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my town organizes a game that ends tomorrow where you have to find a way to write 2012 as the result of a calculation using only consecutive numbers 1, 2, 3, ... in growing order (starting with 1) and operations +, -, *, /, ^, sqrt, factorial, and parentheses < 1348441250 518444 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they provide an example of such a calculation, with result 2011. < 1348441296 71049 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the example uses only 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, so it trivially gives a solution for 2012 in 7 (using the same calculation, -6 + 7) < 1348441319 522592 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finding a solution in 6 is easy - actually there seem to be a lot of them < 1348441371 202159 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I couldn't find one in 5... so since it's the last day I decided to make a program to compute all possible calculations; for 6 it found many solutions, but for 5 it terminated without any. < 1348441534 393073 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case of a tie for the shortest answer, they will randomly select one of the tying players... finding in 6 was way to easy to avoid that :( < 1348441598 473166 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically if you can write 2012 as some of those operations using each number from 1 to 5 only once, you'll win? < 1348441614 290045 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1348441622 797790 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only once, and in the right order < 1348441669 238913 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found ((1+2)!)!*3-(4+6!/5) in one minute but the 6 comes before the 5 so it doesn't work < 1348441674 998188 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, in the right order < 1348441678 950715 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1348441727 395094 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is somehow ambiguous though - for instance they list "- (subtraction)" as a valid operation but not "unary negation", yet I'm not sure they'd refuse a solution starting with -1 < 1348441772 690034 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it all works with integers, and they don't say if ": (division)" is integer division or real division < 1348441823 439510 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd assume real < 1348441856 219545 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also what I assumed < 1348441865 651203 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can get 2015 :( < 1348441871 110365 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1348441879 820917 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can give you the 2011 example to help < 1348441893 77721 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do find a solution in 5 though, please don't tell me < 1348441916 513206 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(at least not until tomorrow) < 1348441916 843807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what i'd do if they'd included logarithms too :P < 1348441944 286473 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :((1+2)!)! +(3!)^4-5 = 2011 < 1348442700 168516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make circuits described using discrete logic to be compiled into a native code which can emulate this circuit? < 1348442942 903548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i guess you know the answer to that < 1348443291 251675 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b6e.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348444044 390707 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: all my solutions start from 2016 = 6! + 6^4, with 6 being either 6 or 2*3 or 3! or (1+2)! etc., and the other numbers making - 4. < 1348444239 378833 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1348444872 116098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 6^4 < 1348444873 274423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1296 < 1348445096 404031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl1 (*) [2..] < 1348445097 466366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,6,24,120,720,5040,40320,362880,3628800,39916800,479001600,6227020800,871... < 1348445140 735281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt <$> scanl1 (*) [2..] < 1348445141 822855 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.4142135623730951,2.449489742783178,4.898979485566356,10.954451150103322,... < 1348445154 899822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt <$> scanl1 (*) [2..] :: [Float] < 1348445155 877167 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.4142135,2.4494898,4.8989797,10.954452,26.832815,70.99296,200.7984,602.39... < 1348445184 335232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 71^2 < 1348445185 404798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5041 < 1348445192 636621 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in short im gonna assume the answer is yes. the interesting part of the question is the word possible. given that its almost certainly possible.. then looking at whether it's worthwhile. if it's not worthwhile then it's almost urgent in #esoteric i think < 1348445217 408408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt 2012 < 1348445218 401194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 44.85532298401161 < 1348445238 720298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: OK. < 1348445245 977747 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1348445280 356299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm with itidus21 on this. as long as i don't have to do any of this urgent work. < 1348445280 825468 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it may be too useful for #esoteric < 1348445320 146763 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well you calculated the square root of 2012 < 1348445320 927273 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost, not quite. < 1348445327 655990 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was of utmost urgency < 1348445332 311072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1348445618 318374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3^6 < 1348445619 340928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 729 < 1348445670 928989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3^4 < 1348445672 12427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 81 < 1348445696 785750 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 6^3 + 4^3 < 1348445698 78328 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 280 < 1348445732 863465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4^5 < 1348445734 14994 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1024 < 1348445992 582706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 720/8 < 1348445993 559657 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 90.0 < 1348445997 386532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 720/16 < 1348445998 396485 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 45.0 < 1348446036 292298 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think division can actually be used < 1348446051 264974 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the order thing < 1348446226 501299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^15 < 1348446227 602744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 32768 < 1348446490 411960 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b6e.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [(x^(1/y)) | x <- [1..10], y <- [1..5]] < 1348446491 697879 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `t' in the constraints: < 1348446491 792338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `GHC.Real.Fractional t' < 1348446491 885907 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1348446517 199887 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b6e.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y this not works? < 1348446529 275299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [(x**(1/y)) | x <- [1..10], y <- [1..5]] < 1348446530 343202 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.0,1.0,1.0,1.0,1.0,2.0,1.4142135623730951,1.2599210498948732,1.1892071150... < 1348446574 337450 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ^ takes a natural number exponent < 1348446673 904768 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b6e.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [(x^^(1/y)) | x <- [1..10], y <- [1..5]] < 1348446675 103364 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `t' in the constraints: < 1348446675 290825 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `GHC.Real.Fractional t' < 1348446675 319991 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1348446699 282636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ takes an integral one < 1348446719 209815 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was unexpected < 1348446722 412941 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b6e.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1348446878 185856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ^^ ** go from being restrictive of the exponent to being restrictive on the base < 1348447379 783160 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1348447701 786057 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1348448319 885495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1348449209 345623 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-180-94.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348449717 670174 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> x^5 < 1348449718 908706 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : x * x * (x * x) * x < 1348449747 685404 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> x^^(1/5) < 1348449748 908395 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `t' in the constraints: < 1348449749 95295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `GHC.Real.Fractional t' < 1348449749 123533 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1348449755 619549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr should have a thing where it uses observable sharing to show you the true graph. < 1348449784 658587 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would it look like? let a = x * x in a * a * x? < 1348449807 48060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I DUNNO, MAN, THAT'S YOUR JOB < 1348449832 511546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should draw a 2-dimensional graph. < 1348449858 766428 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> x^^(1/5) :: Expr < 1348449859 771871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `t' in the constraints: < 1348449860 38653 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `GHC.Real.Fractional t' < 1348449860 57202 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1348449868 177840 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it Expr isn’t Fractional? < 1348449885 102510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@instances Fractional < 1348449885 120971 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (x :: Expr)^^(1/5) < 1348449885 878340 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double, Float < 1348449886 143509 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `t' in the constraints: < 1348449886 238128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `GHC.Real.Fractional t' < 1348449886 331239 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1348449892 680872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@instances Integral < 1348449893 464251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int, Integer < 1348449896 97523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@instances Num < 1348449896 754465 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double, Float, Int, Integer < 1348449944 814774 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. My bad. I’m brainfarting. < 1348449951 416199 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> x^^(-5) < 1348449952 515306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : recip (x * x * (x * x) * x) < 1348449961 649030 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was supposed to be -5, not 1/5. < 1348449972 412317 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> x**(-1/5) < 1348449973 525600 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : x**negate (1 / 5) < 1348450128 675870 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348450155 332011 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348450554 379855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The place I'm in is playing a television program. < 1348450577 240175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't make out the words but I can guess where the laugh track will play just from how people are talking. < 1348450963 431036 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@esc63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348451035 418082 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 QUIT :Quit: that's dr. turing to you, punk < 1348452569 384124 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348452937 948295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1348452952 40754 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it actually a laugh track or is it live studio laughter? < 1348452995 999931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1348453000 320580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Here is a plausible conversation that never actually happened: < 1348453006 453281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounded exactly the same every time. < 1348453032 834778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's probably a separate track regardless of whether it was recorded while people were watching the show or elsewhile. :-) < 1348453057 852188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is it possible to make circuits described using discrete logic to be compiled into a native code which can emulate this circuit? ← sure, you can do it with programs like GHDL (which compiles hardware descriptions to gcc intermediate representation, and uses gcc to take it the rest of the way) < 1348453309 775916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should learn how UNIX session and controlling terminal stuff works, one day < 1348453334 427654 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to fork, and have the child exec a shell (connected to the user's terminal) that keeps running even if the parent dies < 1348453373 662150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in nohup? < 1348453381 951972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no. < 1348453467 163524 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348453487 14087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's the problem < 1348453498 833460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the magic incantation for detaching and daemonizing is well documented < 1348453505 41253 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i haven't been able to find what I'm trying to do < 1348453511 369279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i will have to actually understand what's going on :/ < 1348453807 912760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sorry. :-( < 1348453813 445843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you understand you should tell me. < 1348453823 956249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't have to look it up, if it ever comes to that. < 1348453841 166905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll write a blog post! < 1348453868 736629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Your weblog's URL is way too long. < 1348453880 77260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION types it by hand each time. < 1348453891 860153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i type "main\t" ;) < 1348453915 736335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Incognito Mode so it's not in my history. < 1348453947 251380 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1348454658 284508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais513: OK < 1348454671 583878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What format of hardware descriptions can it use? < 1348454680 691628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it use discrete logic format? < 1348457211 237747 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1348457426 970902 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348457821 313791 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-78.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1348457857 352758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes. Something lingering, with boiling oil in it, I fancy. Something of that sort. I think boiling oil occurs in it, but I'm not sure. I know it's something humorous, but lingering, with either boiling oil or melted lead. Come, come, don't fret — I'm not a bit angry." < 1348457970 252271 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348458070 618769 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@esc63.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ < 1348458370 865216 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348458874 780280 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348458910 156792 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-78.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1348459281 358812 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the Samsung Galaxy S3 supports GLONASS < 1348459310 141641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Russia has a 25% import duty on non-GLONASS GPS devices, or something < 1348459349 737756 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-180-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's rather cheap to add now. < 1348459360 20322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why's that? < 1348459465 895982 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-180-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC they extended the signal sent by the satellites so that it's not *vastly* different from GPS if you listen to the right band. < 1348459497 806221 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-180-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda like how Galileo support is easy to add to a GPS receiver. < 1348459642 396830 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348460037 476166 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-165.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348460322 915790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I wrote a GHC extension to allow things like 1e6 to be integer literals. < 1348460331 20432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: elliott says you'll hate me. < 1348460336 485613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why. < 1348460449 400080 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348460662 958065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't hate you! < 1348460668 913017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how hard was it to write? < 1348460678 355130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some fancy way to write syntactic extensions now? < 1348460839 992878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It was ~8 lines. < 1348460866 752673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The codebase is pretty messy, though. :-( < 1348460880 631261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every time I read GHC code I get a strong urge to clean things up. < 1348460892 621034 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-180-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION mutters at the French revolution a bit < 1348460903 492882 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-180-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason why the kilogram is a base unit with an SI prefix is them. < 1348460919 766298 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-180-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"grave" sounded like a German title of nobility, which was against their ideals. < 1348460929 4008 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-180-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, s/grave/kilogram/ jerks < 1348460935 668072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't know about any fancy way. < 1348460999 929035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just found some code in compiler/rename/ that handled OverLits and changed HsFractionals with denominator 1 into HsIntegers. < 1348461025 172043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some code for handling OverloadedStrings in the same directory, so I'm hoping this was the right place to put it. < 1348461035 565143 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-180-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the gram was before then a synonym for the milligrave) < 1348461036 943577 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-180-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(jerks) < 1348461343 371473 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-117-165.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348461697 740355 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348462780 392009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jours sans-culottides < 1348462812 662212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so that is why kilogram is base unit? < 1348462848 745317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, now I can see the above text. At first, I just saw "the gram was before then a synonym for the milligrave" and thought of it too. < 1348463730 249426 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1348463793 545658 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone in here was talking about a cpu with an execute instruction a while ago < 1348463820 371285 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the TMS9900 cpu had one of those that worked almost exactly like that < 1348463825 391784 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348463925 548388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That works like how? < 1348464160 458256 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :runs one instruction using register values from some memory buffer < 1348464369 318990 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348464387 519762 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348464821 915987 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-180-94.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah. Having a different name for the kilogram makes the whole thing rather cleaner. < 1348464978 409072 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :z/Architecture has a similar thing as well (and there, trying to EXECUTE another EXECUTE instruction causes an exception) < 1348466271 324673 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and any cpu with hardware single-stepping can kind of simulate an execute instruction < 1348466320 818423 :pikhq_!~pikhq@97-121-161-61.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348466341 304604 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-180-94.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348466579 259719 :pikhq_!~pikhq@97-121-161-61.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348466620 41968 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-129-178.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348466748 185583 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348467132 831676 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a Famicom cartridge with CIRAM A10 connected directly to PA6, then in a software emulation compiled from the hardware description, can this automatically be optimized out? < 1348467270 257420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348467519 450941 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348467644 234740 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348467872 187715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/7266 < 1348469285 264322 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348469765 280916 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348469788 263849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1348469797 689386 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1348469990 313519 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348470007 103974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1348470008 631075 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1348471873 324775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348472717 275386 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348472726 112216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1348472727 582477 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1348472790 774526 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1348473507 518685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1348473510 146027 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348473531 386077 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1348474635 711905 :Catman_!71d2e137@gateway/web/freenode/ip.113.210.225.55 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348474662 5767 :Catman_!71d2e137@gateway/web/freenode/ip.113.210.225.55 QUIT :Client Quit < 1348474735 390744 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348474772 996690 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348475357 340089 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348475658 261377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1348475669 370995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348475933 416048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Client Quit < 1348475939 664238 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348476806 899961 :ais523__!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348476818 124162 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1348476819 568560 :ais523__!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1348476937 756921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348481846 622201 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348482112 401401 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348482118 58607 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348483175 213068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1348484848 254228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348484866 407693 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1348484869 11954 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348485367 71366 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348486328 999643 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348486587 25756 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348486837 622589 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....Bitmanagement is claiming that BS Contact is "state of the art computer graphics" < 1348486854 5407 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a VRML viewer < 1348486867 763719 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :..Well, maybe it supports newer stuff these days *shrug* < 1348486925 664463 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man what an idiot < 1348487300 679227 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :300 euros for a VRML viewer that used to be free? < 1348487323 949378 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, they have a trial version that puts an annoying flying logo in every scene) < 1348487671 1976 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-236-26.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348488108 298960 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1348488600 201357 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so whats the reality? < 1348488609 129001 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it held up by a patent or something? < 1348488620 830215 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doubt it < 1348488626 863790 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, what is dependant on this bs contact thing < 1348488631 898712 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cybertown < 1348488649 510251 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they suddenly increased the price? < 1348488656 623990 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348488657 272552 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that was back in the Blaxxun days. Blaxxun is dead now, and I think Bitmanagement owns the Intellectual Property < 1348488681 611446 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blaxxun now Bitmanagement owns the software, Cybertown just uses/used it < 1348488844 95279 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what they're claiming is "State of the Art computer graphics with continued development since 1995 e.g. texturing with flash, physics or multi user" < 1348490278 675998 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this so far? http://esolangs.org/wiki/REVER < 1348490310 950181 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-225-200.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348490367 182836 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1348490414 492598 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-236-26.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348490420 972349 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348490604 312192 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric : it's completely useless for real-world development, it's therefore a perfect esolang < 1348490662 809647 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :real-world meaning paid-to-code-with < 1348490959 388102 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1348491231 681758 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348491544 239251 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1348492357 38940 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-148-104.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348492419 873736 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348492526 982580 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-225-200.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348492592 277200 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348492745 249792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348492804 25483 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1348492926 447830 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yinYang = join $ liftA2 runCT (getCC <* lift (putChar '\n')) (getCC <* lift (putChar '*')); < 1348493621 61022 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in brainfuck i like the + - < > instructions < 1348493646 722382 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or equivalents < 1348493682 958580 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348493780 16107 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that you could have a machine with 4 plastic buttons + - < > and a finite toroidal tape and do a lot with it < 1348493793 129840 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess its quite strange such things don't exist < 1348493873 935048 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it would be useless < 1348493913 512730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, but mechanical calculators are real fancy. < 1348493936 992851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one that looks really much like http://www.arm.ac.uk/history/instruments/Mechanical-calculator.jpg at my grandmother's house. < 1348493938 950829 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348493941 888128 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was actually thinking of a chessboard where both players control things via 4 such buttons :D < 1348493959 592107 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah calculator humm < 1348493974 211935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's somewhat rusty and doesn't really want to move, but it's still fancy. < 1348493989 530821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some kind of a thing for division in it. < 1348494083 619965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I think http://mrhonner.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/odhner-mechanical-calculator.jpg is an even more exact match; I remember those thumb-twiddly bits and the crank with a pin. < 1348494088 239827 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly it's a clone of that. < 1348494088 969629 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok picture it like this.. a chess player goes to make his move.. he presses < and > until he reaches the piece to move.. then he presses + and - until he sets the piece to be empty < 1348494115 881436 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he presses < and > until he reaches destination square, and finally presses + and - until the move has been completed < 1348494142 432319 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what is in my imagination < 1348494252 278457 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he" because few self respecting women would engage in such pursuits.. i don't mean to be sexist though < 1348494326 760553 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact i doubt anyone with self-respect would play chess in such a way < 1348494571 55081 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.154.152 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348494669 296595 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-123-225.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348494826 985144 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-148-104.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348494841 852311 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-123-225.as43234.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1348494939 15613 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-123-225.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348495399 779716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it when someone says something blatantly sexist and suffixes it with "i don't mean to be sexist though" < 1348495716 532737 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348496011 419967 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-115-118.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348496176 963802 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-123-225.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348496833 347937 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348496856 445535 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! < 1348496873 833793 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1348496878 613769 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1348496881 926519 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was doing so well! < 1348496882 815035 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1348496988 477980 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did it all go wrong? < 1348497005 902337 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I opened IRC < 1348497012 225886 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And immediately said "Hello!" < 1348497028 841950 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cursed by your own hubris. < 1348497114 79539 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, have you seen the Homestuck update? < 1348497128 631594 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg an [s] < 1348497146 851212 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reckon that's a no < 1348497152 439233 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See you in a couple of hours! < 1348497164 741469 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omh < 1348497166 349509 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1348497168 539817 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a walkabout < 1348497437 424412 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, do the listy thing < 1348497446 176462 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're the Heir of Lists < 1348497577 998243 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the listy thing? < 1348497587 373657 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless this is intended to be a non sequitur < 1348497589 530262 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case go ahead < 1348497592 232215 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For Homestuck fans < 1348497592 535446 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also every new character sucks < 1348497598 480709 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I get the reference < 1348497604 239094 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just seems like a non sequitur < 1348497634 172550 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-232-248.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348497800 898735 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1348497802 34751 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-2-115-118.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348497815 424013 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has gamebro mixed with the la2t frontiier < 1348497827 14168 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-7.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348497830 397384 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:39:52 < coppro> also every new character sucks < 1348497840 765189 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go away < 1348497853 564153 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those characters is severely autistic. < 1348497859 835235 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1348497871 955460 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another is pretty awful < 1348497874 406766 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1348497896 407041 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Cronus does suck < 1348497901 137820 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1348497905 238277 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i have someone on /ignore < 1348497908 968945 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: standard internet homestuck spoilers rule: the statute of limitations for spoilers expires immediately < 1348497913 578556 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1348497918 199139 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just talk to myself < 1348497918 293096 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1348497922 767453 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's awful < 1348497927 104554 :MoALTz__!~no@host-92-8-232-248.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348497929 99181 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-148-7.as43234.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348497931 233236 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cronus < 1348497945 89979 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hilariously awful < 1348497953 335634 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what the fandom thinks Eridan is? < 1348497958 752289 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhhhhh < 1348497960 144258 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that guy < 1348497961 838151 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best# < 1348497964 554727 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, just go away and play the update < 1348497966 466010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello atriq < 1348497968 872982 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1348498013 357785 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i see nepeta's things < 1348498020 982429 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if her death is finally going to be confirmed < 1348498037 210550 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it already was? < 1348498045 980290 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WE NEVER SAW MOST OF THE BODY < 1348498057 762464 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHICH BIT OF THE BODY DID WE SEE < 1348498067 656657 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU CAN SOMETIMES TELL FROM JUST A SMALL BIT OF THE BODY < 1348498069 725202 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIKE THE HEAD < 1348498073 358866 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR THE LUNGS < 1348498079 436707 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CATS CAN LIVE WITHOUT THEIR HEADS SOMETIMES < 1348498084 63173 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that was a chicken < 1348498192 60422 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006189 < 1348498220 714194 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's actually a very small dersite drawn over her hair < 1348498237 510172 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jack stepped on him way back in act 3 < 1348498326 367677 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see Gregor owns an accordion now < 1348498420 301406 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh < 1348498434 37337 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Facebook) < 1348498436 514361 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I became Gamcestor and finished his bit, now I'm Meenah again. < 1348498445 760823 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do i dooo < 1348498447 350253 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that "Uh" < 1348498483 115217 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I don't see it < 1348498488 669905 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you found all the keys? < 1348498492 978088 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Uh is quite an Uh < 1348498552 471446 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, I think so? < 1348498555 527034 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's that puzzle door then. < 1348498561 577578 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back before Cronus < 1348498675 224334 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really that surprising of an Uh, really < 1348498676 845689 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still < 1348498695 668354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean the keys to open the door or the keys to type on the computer or the keys to play piano? < 1348498706 526995 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first < 1348498725 576484 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Keys to type on the computer was Problem Sleuth < 1348498742 235672 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piano was Doctor Brinner < 1348498772 52157 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh for < 1348498776 403063 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what can i do now i'm karkat < 1348498784 14478 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go out the door < 1348498790 867953 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1348498823 886909 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just turn around now, you're not welcome any more < 1348498832 901475 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, go out the door < 1348498844 663189 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a magic dream door < 1348498893 480052 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: wait, computer and piano? < 1348498896 531551 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are these things!! < 1348498908 464024 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A COMPUTER IS WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING AT < 1348498915 91362 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S A BIT LIKE A FANCY TYPEWRITER < 1348498921 335473 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND A BIT LIKE A NOT VERY GOOD PHONE < 1348498934 925741 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT IT DOES THE TALKING FOR YOU IF YOU TELL IT WHAT TO SAY < 1348498939 880310 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND IT CAN TALK VERY FAST < 1348498948 325516 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the topic of keys, press the one left of the 'a' < 1348498995 705571 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WOW THANKS < 1348499003 231790 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW I DON'T NEED TO HOLD DOWN THE SHIFT BUTTON < 1348499006 705568 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU ARE AMAZING < 1348499008 649620 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1348499020 684358 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, Terezi's theme's gotten rad. < 1348499020 928491 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348499024 994487 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: where is this computer? < 1348499033 933571 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In front of you! < 1348499034 974368 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1348499042 163828 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might be looking at it < 1348499048 901145 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should have a screen with lights < 1348499057 445289 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some wires leading to other bits of the computer! < 1348499125 991561 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: :P < 1348499139 148771 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem sleuth problem sleuth problem sleuth < 1348499141 688834 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, it's not working < 1348499141 783208 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On another note < 1348499143 823026 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PS did not just appear < 1348499156 877812 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I still read Misfile? < 1348499158 812237 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's awful < 1348499165 244210 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I wanna hear bubstep :( < 1348499266 583221 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also also < 1348499276 654558 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did a picture of me eating a yorkshire pudding < 1348499282 42353 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get 4 likes on Facebook < 1348499341 293662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's the pudding. < 1348499351 743945 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the listy thing: Uh, I think everyone who is both here and on the list already knows < 1348499357 998230 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when were there so many nathan van doorn < 1348499394 413799 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what list? < 1348499402 869425 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nathan van doorn is its own plural, like sheep) < 1348499420 401207 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the one with the red picture with the clock < 1348499424 42372 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The list of people I tell when Homestuck updates, unless I forget. < 1348499428 176628 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1348499436 122234 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one of those < 1348499438 675978 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call it my RSS reader < 1348499479 170902 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348499481 742049 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo is far superior < 1348499495 740213 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is sometimes quicker < 1348499542 274075 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the picture in question is http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/557161_435025123200414_1140631525_n.jpg < 1348499570 960507 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :protip, it's easier if you use your hands < 1348499603 913317 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nonsense < 1348499654 724016 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I can bring a modified copy of LilHal in here < 1348499668 997457 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in... < 1348499674 115953 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dirk's Auto-Responder? < 1348499696 421741 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(LilHal is the IRC bot I wrote in Tcl to tell the channel when there's an update. Yes, named after the AR) < 1348499780 473778 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's faster than many people's notifiers, I think < 1348499798 339161 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what about a separate channel for updates? < 1348499802 418568 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it say the names of people? < 1348499812 749224 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, #esoteric-en < 1348499814 788033 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric-homestuck < 1348499870 232381 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, it private messages people < 1348499875 765091 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1348499894 936813 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And says it out loud in channel, but that can be disabled < 1348499950 446324 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should pm a bot with @tell person update >:-) < 1348499966 505003 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348499969 608432 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no im being silly < 1348499974 629145 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, that'd be too slow < 1348499980 500256 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a start, I'd have to be talking < 1348500038 568740 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's currently active in SwiftIRC, could just use it there unless/until we get one running here < 1348500040 313568 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it would be tragic < 1348500044 999696 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing my idea < 1348500170 595918 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not comfortable with the idea of being on more than one IRC server at once < 1348500183 420127 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freenode/Esper was too weird for me < 1348500383 220905 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what annoys me? < 1348500396 680886 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I'm annoyed that people assume there's only one kind of sign language < 1348500527 752794 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats probably a good annoyance < 1348500546 654084 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm annoyed that this annoys me < 1348500597 248383 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much nested annoyance < 1348500667 511426 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get this from the first 2 lines annoyed_by(annoyed_by(people assume there's only one kind of sign language)) < 1348500728 424851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :butts < 1348500766 19988 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure how to haskell this. but i don't mean to impose. i feel much better now. < 1348500769 489389 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1348501060 491717 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I am on 12 networks right now < 1348501073 852385 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is a ridiculous amount of networks < 1348501089 170576 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's roughly similar to the number of channels I've been in < 1348501104 411036 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably significantly less) < 1348501109 242544 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in 81 channels right now < 1348501113 462666 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in 2 < 1348501126 425170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm also in 2 channels < 1348501135 569929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to be in more but i keep rage-quitting them :/ < 1348501147 947981 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I very rarely rage-quit channels < 1348501152 241085 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just sort of phase out < 1348501158 97536 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or leave IRC entirely < 1348501221 569344 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might switch computer in a sec < 1348501235 317828 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that reminds < 1348501236 47385 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me < 1348501255 15585 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the odds that linux gaming will become mainstream in the next 2 months? < 1348501270 629227 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on when Valve releases Steam for Linux < 1348501275 614777 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it will take more than 2 months < 1348501304 748796 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I ought to install Windows on my other computer < 1348501315 41350 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I can play games with my friends < 1348501469 687026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : What are the odds that linux gaming will become mainstream in the next 2 months? < 1348501472 772425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1348501481 263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012 is the year of Linux on the desktop < 1348501483 924243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE MAYANS WARNED US < 1348501535 873058 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :December isn't within 2 months yet < 1348501619 387005 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348501649 3895 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gonna switch computer now, brb < 1348501650 178390 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348501661 787331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1348501662 998867 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1348501780 182798 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348501881 855553 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348501991 847327 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C64A.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1348501995 590853 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C64A.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1348502001 395464 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sup < 1348502011 461845 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could be the biggest thing ever < 1348502031 596865 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C64A.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :this = ? < 1348502037 233351 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :disaffected windows 8 users might flock to steam to play games without paying for windows updates and malware < 1348502051 55329 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^to play steam on linux < 1348502059 665093 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah < 1348502059 758992 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C64A.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1348502075 914443 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's enough Windows 8 users for any of them to be disaffected < 1348502085 28342 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1348502090 985404 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :still < 1348502094 350180 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :even win7 < 1348502124 940479 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The valve linux blog only has two things on it right now < 1348502126 147024 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :when people hear "you can play all your favorite games on a free OS which isn't owned by a corporation" < 1348502135 945936 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :they will shit bricks < 1348502141 178572 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a good way though < 1348502143 887906 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No they won't < 1348502148 17788 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'll say "and? < 1348502156 136047 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm used to Windows" < 1348502163 782263 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this is absoluetly massive @_@ < 1348502170 933523 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actual vaguely correct use of quote marks) < 1348502182 13321 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this could be like the killer app on linux < 1348502210 356927 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Valve is getting the graphics card manufacturers to improve the drivers < 1348502224 330290 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i inferred that would happen < 1348502244 657896 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1348502267 522539 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admit it won't get me to jump off winxp < 1348502271 464201 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But does it let you to connect between Linux and Windows computers? And other computers too? < 1348502295 23158 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but im on a good windows os < 1348502300 435365 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not disaffected < 1348502311 219889 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you can already connect Windows and Mac < 1348502314 797496 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using Steam < 1348502326 311213 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you couldn't connect Linux Valve are dicks < 1348502369 378604 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. i hope gabe can be trusted with this kind of power < 1348502405 961434 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :steam isn't exactly rights-friendly < 1348502669 537236 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one day microsoft will be reduced to selling apps for linux < 1348502699 425105 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant to say my speculation isn't very useful < 1348503110 104795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's adorable that people still think the big software freedom fight is with Microsoft over control of the desktop < 1348503145 296167 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When the real villain is General Mills < 1348503157 771176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right < 1348503239 300521 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The question is... < 1348503253 747462 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the truth, or an obscure Homestuck reference? < 1348503333 711791 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4 points if you can tell me how it's a Homestuck reference, because it is) < 1348503461 461601 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :General Mills is presumably isomorphic to Betty Crocker. < 1348503477 822284 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost < 1348503925 573039 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well i remember your comments about this now, vaguely, and the main thing about the mobile/portable/touchpad war seems to be about patents and ridiculous lawsuits < 1348503937 706149 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically a clusterfuck of courtcases < 1348503986 117636 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :each of which paints a picture of the future < 1348504346 639635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now for sure I completed the job for someone making a NES/Famicom ROM of their pictures and music. They will need to make the cartridge by themself, I think. < 1348504576 683972 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C64A.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :In haskell, what would be the preferred way of checking whether an integer can be divided by an another integer < 1348504628 683551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: I would think using modulo, like it would in other programming languages, but I don't know < 1348504631 590500 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x y -> x `mod` y == 0 < 1348504632 655259 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Integral a) => a -> a -> Bool < 1348504644 875886 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C64A.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay :) < 1348504844 269991 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1348504850 843921 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.154.152 QUIT :Quit: impomatic < 1348505414 816030 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348505962 624534 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348507774 92456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348507777 465100 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348507878 838094 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C64A.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :are [2,3,5,7,11,13,17,19,23,29,31,37,41,43,47] the prime numbers in the range [0..50] < 1348507914 240319 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-78.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1348508401 373331 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348508532 818189 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348508918 526704 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Yeah, I don't see many Windows users jumping ship for Linux thanks to Steam. < 1348508939 296842 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be happy to see it since Steam + wine is less than ideal, but I still expect plenty of wine-games, so *eh* < 1348508942 137229 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1348509022 350065 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Steam for linux isn't even out yet < 1348509114 367195 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: “I'll” expands to “I will” *NBC The More You Know* < 1348509148 542986 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1348509160 140644 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And “see” in that context is synonymous with “foresee” < 1348509169 500007 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing is that uhhh < 1348509190 582105 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, no it isn't. < 1348509208 2146 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, it is. Plenty of people use it like that. Maybe not in the UK *shrugs* < 1348509215 38369 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind changing tracks.. oh humm... valve could launch it's very own linux i suppose < 1348509220 658347 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, but in that context it doesn't mean 'foresee'. < 1348509224 374287 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348509226 310479 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yes, it does. < 1348509238 509379 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'will' takes care of the time difference, you don't need to extend it further with 'foresee'. < 1348509255 572546 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Oh, hahah, I'm talking about a different “see” X-D < 1348509261 711298 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^disregard < 1348509268 372483 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I meant on the previous line. “I don't see many Windows users jumping ship…” < 1348509271 503704 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1348509275 937416 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right then it is. < 1348509287 607734 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let us dance the jig of language ambiguity. < 1348509308 204607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1348509315 202855 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-159.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348509316 727803 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If KSP gets ported to Linux then I can probably ignore Windows almost all the time. < 1348509355 435213 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand what people are complaining about with Steam games and Linux. I'm yet to find one that doesn't work. < 1348509381 671942 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, wiki spam < 1348509385 550119 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a wannabe game developer my biggest two fears are patent infringement and my code failing to work on the main market's OS < 1348509396 422608 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been stung by Wine too many times to see it as a viable option any more. < 1348509410 711399 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morrowind ran fine, but that's about the only thing that has. < 1348509417 709765 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: When was the last time you used it? They continue to improve by leaps and bounds. < 1348509419 491165 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSP? < 1348509440 911725 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I tried it for TF2 a few months ago. It was not good. < 1348509449 477909 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, Kerbal Space Program. < 1348509456 678654 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1348509466 218950 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1348509471 351981 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For TF2?! OK, admittedly, I don't have TF2, but IIRC that's based on the same engine as HL2, and I have a few games that use that engine (including HL2), all of which run beautifully. < 1348509473 820504 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/The_Correct_Way_To_Discover_Credit_Immediately someone create an esolang with this name. thx < 1348509475 86746 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1348509501 489442 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an esolang where programs look like spam messages? < 1348509504 326592 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, HL2 had a lot of rough edges IIRC. < 1348509512 577564 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't remember the details. < 1348509521 120765 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I have never even had the slightest issue with HL2. < 1348509542 253457 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's setup-dependent of course but the last time I tried to get help off the Wine guys they were snippy and refused to do anything because I was trying a pirate copy. < 1348509552 755396 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon: Shear Disaster Download was originally a spam page < 1348509578 779270 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1348509583 639237 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1348509588 368282 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a name like that? < 1348509591 493504 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't be anything else < 1348509603 262458 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assumed you were a fan of the film < 1348509615 273910 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never seen it < 1348509618 465835 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or making fun of it < 1348509660 121920 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that counts as found-object art < 1348509852 286130 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an uptodate gfx card, steam access, and free time.. but all the game descriptions sicken me < 1348509886 321336 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i don't want to acknowledge modern gaming < 1348509970 742785 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what with it's voice chats and multiplayer and achievements, and dlc, and drm < 1348510014 819813 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :On-disc DLC FTW! < 1348510040 376855 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would be even cooler is on-chip dlc < 1348510049 94873 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh heww yeah < 1348510080 961414 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“This Intel chip does not ship with SSE3 support, but by using this $50 DLC, you can enable it!” < 1348510084 947799 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1348510106 919832 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The download is a 2KB .exe file. It just twiddles some bits and shows a progress bar. < 1348510120 195465 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the progress bar time is taken by sleep(), just to make you think it's doing something. < 1348510125 462857 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.... and.. ... and... this is a dangerous future < 1348510138 487403 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my brother's friends stuck an Intel Inside sticker on his bmx. So I gave my brother my Powered by AMD sticker and he put it on his bike < 1348510171 588541 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you just need a Cyrix sticker for somebody else ;) < 1348510208 639583 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow thats even cooler than card pegged onto bikewheel < 1348510294 180781 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b6e.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348510301 539895 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-159.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348510309 253198 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C64A.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348510956 476971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IBM mainframes have that basically < 1348510971 802009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you buy a mainframe it comes with a bunch of processors but they are not all activated < 1348510973 958461 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Card pegged onto bikewheels? < 1348510980 479906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can call them up to pay more money and get more processors turned on < 1348511008 870113 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can also turn them on in a mode where they will only run Linux or only run XML processing offload, and that costs less money < 1348511036 686529 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: im hopeless at english. ill figure it out < 1348511057 936318 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, no, that was meant at kmc < 1348511064 628133 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc> IBM mainframes have that basically < 1348511069 265119 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1348511094 375798 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IBM mainframes probably have a noisemaker somewhere, just so that admins feel secure in the knowledge that their machines are doing something. < 1348511107 482140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :blinkenlights < 1348511111 566374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, my GHC patch LGTM. < 1348511115 497292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1348511127 200595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks Good To Marlow, I guess. < 1348511157 860468 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the patch do? < 1348511162 850915 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lesbian Gay Transexual Mobsters? < 1348511186 979947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Integer literals like 1.2e6 < 1348511201 860144 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, cool < 1348511205 677341 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1348511209 640949 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1348511212 194643 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like < 1348511225 585201 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It wreaks my obfuscation plans < 1348511228 591568 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1348511230 211194 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't < 1348511231 388037 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At all < 1348511242 987735 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.firebox.com/product/4364/Turbospoke-Bike-Exhaust-System < 1348511543 962759 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :errrr where's the exhaust < 1348511549 161867 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need exhaust. < 1348511743 973129 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone care to hear the voyages of the KSS Proportionate Response V as I try once more to make it go between two planets without exploding, running out of fuel or developing crippling stability problems < 1348511818 436094 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do tell the tale! < 1348511843 372713 :Dovregub1en!~kurt@c-67-160-13-34.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348511862 146721 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I aborted the first launch while the engines were spinning up because it turns the physics engine into a slideshow. < 1348511959 808653 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I've either fixed that or made it much, much worse. < 1348512006 599636 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly the latter. < 1348512027 174087 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348512062 464642 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's off the ground, at least. < 1348512088 446349 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than that I can't tell on account of getting about two frames a second. < 1348512163 662534 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the context is < 1348512202 613435 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm launching an interplanetary lander in KSP. < 1348512233 624839 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's the gerbil space program? < 1348512276 345122 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1348512298 246861 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348512309 227713 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god what is happening < 1348512373 670938 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it makes sense for the gerbils < 1348512384 311517 :sivoais_!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348512443 680909 :Dovregubben!~kurt@c-67-160-13-34.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348512444 188599 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348512444 549630 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348512444 751953 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348512444 984546 :Gregor!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348512445 450432 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-unbwcdvgbnbuytur QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348512445 529277 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348512446 310373 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1348512509 799112 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-unbwcdvgbnbuytur JOIN :#esoteric < 1348512509 818650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1348512549 381158 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :$18!? < 1348512554 763704 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EIGHTEEN DOLLARS? < 1348512561 647248 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's, like, 12 pounds < 1348512576 953807 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:34 netbsd is too well, obvious.openbsd, I wear neither orange nor otherwise I buy cough drops en masse.what remains to be because < 1348512582 522933 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a demo, but it has, like, nothing. < 1348512608 244172 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I paid for it because I was like "A GAME WHERE YOU GET TO FLY PROPER ROCKETS I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS SINCE I WAS 5" < 1348512620 510683 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gerbils are now in orbit. < 1348512640 190381 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :go gerbils < 1348512728 220158 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1348512747 332931 :kinoSi0!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348512758 803590 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348512831 836147 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348512855 343390 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348512879 893530 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh great < 1348512897 179141 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a part fell off at some point and it's developed crippling stability problems < 1348512932 279909 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348512977 182090 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least the transfer stage's still stable. < 1348512997 532480 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where they will remain for another two or three months while I wait for the planets to align. < 1348512998 300258 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348512998 998019 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348512999 261965 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348512999 516002 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348512999 516081 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348512999 742943 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348513185 483552 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1348513187 304637 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trippy < 1348513270 760668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can you control those proper rockets using a poorly designed 16-bit CPU < 1348513321 63075 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1348513344 143146 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an autopilot but you can only write scripts for it < 1348513396 926858 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway 0x10c is all sci-fi and shit < 1348513405 670569 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ksp is just barrels and duct tape < 1348513416 14897 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit where is ehird < 1348513417 799994 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how we fix things on russian space station < 1348513423 950098 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1348513425 639854 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duct tape is more useful than shit for many purposes < 1348513425 829187 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1348513426 400777 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where has he been latel < 1348513431 520758 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, hiding < 1348513438 815403 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's Left And Never Come Back < 1348513528 993875 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :coooool < 1348513612 290972 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very nice quintopia < 1348513740 592504 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133972.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348513931 910674 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348513959 173486 :nortti_!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348513983 545807 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348514005 882919 :Gregor!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 274 seconds < 1348514007 92896 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 274 seconds < 1348514008 95690 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 274 seconds < 1348514008 274298 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 274 seconds < 1348514008 296297 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 274 seconds < 1348514008 680073 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 274 seconds < 1348514008 826812 :FreeFull!~freefull@5ace4e85.bb.sky.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348514008 962822 :FreeFull!~freefull@5ace4e85.bb.sky.com QUIT :Changing host < 1348514008 981398 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1348514032 272998 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1348514273 863116 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blegh < 1348514308 263058 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 NICK :quintopia < 1348514316 326076 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1348514316 344948 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1348514337 52782 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348514856 225735 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1348514977 272462 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348515043 167702 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1348515181 147160 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348515191 691928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In chess when the rules were less precise someone once promoted a pawn into an opponent's piece, and castled a promoted rook, which are not supposed to be allowed. But a variant can be made which allows such things? < 1348515325 28041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348515714 674209 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should be glad everybody play with the same rules < 1348515726 209753 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 and kallisti don't < 1348515727 35209 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever < 1348515728 714842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i want different rules dammit! < 1348515733 734329 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the game of go there are always problems in international tournaments as to which rule to use < 1348515742 947885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, we're talking about life, right? < 1348515757 296500 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, we seem to be discussing the last xkcd < 1348515767 368170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Well, yes, you have to play by the rules of whatever game you are playing. But of course you can play a different game (as long as all players (and tournament official, if applicable) agrees). < 1348515772 531309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok. < 1348515798 313630 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the rules are very similar but people have disagreements regarding details < 1348515801 263262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that xkcd reminded me of zzo38's chess variants < 1348515832 768530 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what we were actually talking about < 1348515840 644415 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not < 1348515847 554967 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was something about chess < 1348515863 473696 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and promoting a pawn into an opponent piece sounds like something that can be useful in very, very specific and rare situations only, so saying it's a different game is a bit of a stretch < 1348515866 925517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote all description of REVER esolang except the streams. I don't know exactly how it should work, but my idea is at least: Streams are (usually finite) queues of integers. Input streams are normally read-only and output streams are write-only. Streams operations can also be piped with other streams. Other than that, I don't know. < 1348515920 743962 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :piping a stream back into itself sounds like it could do something < 1348516012 578226 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Well, it is a variant of chess without a lot of new uses. I did not mean these are the only different rules; there can be others too, such as it doesn't matter if the king and rook has moved yet, but the king has to be on K1 and the rook on QR1, KR1, or K8. And then you can have more such as promoting only to lost pieces, sometimes miss a turn if you play the right card, etc < 1348516026 38792 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, REVER has other things besides streams < 1348516046 227867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I did not mean to itself, and I don't even know if that would work with the various restrictions REVER is supposed to have. < 1348516054 525084 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an esolang where the only fundamental objects are queues of bits? < 1348516109 480111 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hummm < 1348516110 740434 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a esolang where the objects are queues of references of queues. And I think cyclic tag machines uses a queue of bits. < 1348516115 469021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : yinYang = join $ liftA2 runCT (getCC <* lift (putChar '\n')) (getCC <* lift (putChar '*')); < 1348516127 906460 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we're definitely not talking about regular chess are we? I might need more context then < 1348516143 952835 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we're talking about everything at once < 1348516158 228932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Yes, like it is often the case in IRC. < 1348516163 310197 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: no, we're talking about queues of bits < 1348516163 581374 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What about that? < 1348516209 51195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the same as yinyang? it looks closer to the unlambda ``.*`cd`r`cd program. although maybe that _is_ also yinyang < 1348516222 967713 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: whih < 1348516225 736740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i somehow assumed the use of let* in the scheme complicated things < 1348516233 313187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes I think that Unlambda program is also yinyang. < 1348516235 58349 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the language with queues of queues < 1348516245 427910 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fueue? < 1348516259 463105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* ``r`cd`.*`cd < 1348516260 357741 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Q-Ref (one of my own) has queues of references of queues. < 1348516284 843067 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fueue has queues which can contain queues < 1348516289 91309 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tried to google fueue and found https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women_in_piracy < 1348516302 760796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: This does the same thing too. Do you know the definition of runCT and getCC which I used (or perhaps you can figure out by yourself)? < 1348516307 911649 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :har har < 1348516348 114260 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and by "google" I meant using a completely different search engine) < 1348516364 896270 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I googled it on Amazon" < 1348516411 237755 :ssue_!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yfncsikfbguqukmo JOIN :#esoteric < 1348516443 240210 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-unbwcdvgbnbuytur QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348516443 357221 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1348516443 941384 :ssue_!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yfncsikfbguqukmo NICK :ssue < 1348516444 226428 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh :( I thought I was looking it up on the eso wiki and failed to find the fueue article, turns out that was wikipedia < 1348516447 684664 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :duckduckgoogle < 1348516463 719 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-78.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1348516467 280868 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ping < 1348516488 443950 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I duckduckwent it? < 1348516500 110707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i banged it < 1348516512 932022 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :past tense of bing=bang? < 1348516514 915315 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: ahoy. < 1348516524 65866 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, no ed is necessary < 1348516526 237622 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bang it < 1348516529 294999 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like it ought to be bung < 1348516537 531452 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're bung < 1348516542 686435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i think you are confused about english grammar < 1348516545 220536 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :bung would be the participle < 1348516546 914726 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :had bung < 1348516554 560076 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, bing bang bung < 1348516564 593383 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :off by one :) < 1348516601 906029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if this getCC has some use in proper programs too < 1348516614 392543 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAA < 1348516616 207528 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "get current continuation"? < 1348516619 596597 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: THEY ARE COMMING < 1348516667 15323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t callCC < 1348516668 146533 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (m :: * -> *) b. (MonadCont m) => ((a -> m b) -> m a) -> m a < 1348516694 686897 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It is what I meant it to mean but it is really just a name for the function. < 1348516716 317437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Mu < 1348516717 293662 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(* -> *) -> * < 1348516780 662057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Flip < 1348516781 806949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: type constructor or class `Flip' < 1348516785 432893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1348516851 876876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k (<-) < 1348516852 895075 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `<-' < 1348516856 790889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1348516972 702951 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think <- is a reserved word in Haskell < 1348516976 426171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1348516983 184810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the oh right was for < 1348517013 51163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect lambdabot may not have a type allowing this to be written < 1348517032 482334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Fix < 1348517033 489703 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `Fix' < 1348517036 868877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you try to write? Write your own types (even if lambdabot cannot use it). < 1348517037 311129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Mu < 1348517038 538607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `Mu' < 1348517079 795812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i already know how to write it, i'm more interested in seeing if lambdabot can accept it < 1348517113 53751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know what it is though. What are you trying to make? < 1348517117 781576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :getCC < 1348517138 580474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1348517146 790742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs a = a -> m b afaik < 1348517184 250713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is like what I used, with a newtype wrapper, with the field named runCT < 1348517197 942227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's what runCT was for < 1348517241 231943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1348517245 950662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ContT < 1348517247 159199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a (m :: * -> *) r. ((a -> m r) -> m r) -> ContT r m a < 1348517442 963734 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348517517 912032 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turns out "comming" doesn't mean "coming" < 1348517661 280703 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1348517669 48125 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 241 seconds < 1348517693 348771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shocking < 1348517772 905308 :sivoais_!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1348517783 183980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : butts <-- do you actually have a script for doing this randomly? < 1348517807 636040 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348517923 152281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was playing Dungeons&Dragons game today very short time < 1348518177 636820 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1348518336 431444 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think... < 1348518347 68933 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have a way of dividing by two with Lambda Calculus < 1348518369 646767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: it shouldn't be _that_ hard... < 1348518375 384374 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't < 1348518384 125836 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just didn't see a solution immediately < 1348518390 145509 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an obvious one? < 1348518434 855129 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than \n -> second (n (\x -> first x (pair false (succ (second x))) (pair true (second x)))) < 1348518447 508021 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1348518455 88899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'd do something like n (\(x,y) -> (y, x+1)) (0,0) with pairs expanded < 1348518510 637757 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see how that works < 1348518529 866250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yours isn't the same? it looks pair-based too < 1348518573 680958 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't < 1348518585 852281 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine has a boolean and it checks the boolean to see if now is the time for succing < 1348518589 741160 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise it doesn't < 1348518591 350957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1348518597 552186 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yours has a conveyor belt type thing? < 1348518612 721126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess yours has a better chance of scaling to other divisors < 1348518658 275203 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348518662 101205 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, back the the space gerbils. < 1348518665 487778 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*back to < 1348518721 925225 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :butts < 1348518739 362240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no it's spreading < 1348518745 872052 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine annoyingly doesn't want to type-check < 1348518755 331322 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n :: ((a -> a) -> a -> a) < 1348518811 14865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you need some forall's if applying n to something is going to give a church numeral of the same type < 1348518948 470404 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1348518961 605160 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should've put enough engines on this thing that I can't go and make a cup of tea during the planetary transfer burn. < 1348519009 418408 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348519018 155540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: yours above appears to lack an argument to n < 1348519060 569639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1348519075 149704 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So apparently Mitt Romney thinks airplane windows should open. < 1348519087 634852 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Potential future president of the USA. < 1348519094 647412 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinks airplane windows should roll down or something. < 1348519112 162670 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348519124 724112 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1348519132 682720 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how else are you meant to cool yourself down < 1348519140 95314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he should make such windows on his own private airplane. < 1348519140 969113 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or they should have little fans or something < 1348519344 213683 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1348519644 283293 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did make a cup of tea, and this thing's still only a fraction of the way there. < 1348519674 238400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows tea and spaceships don't mix, see H2G2 < 1348519827 81375 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Out of fuel already. < 1348519830 667357 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bit disappointing. < 1348519968 24127 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cats fighting in the street... they shriek like birds < 1348520227 263527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have scary birds i take < 1348520248 953400 :heroux_!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348520383 645699 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Numberwang/Implementations is that a subpage or a page with a slash in its title? < 1348520389 230587 :nortti!nortti@ie.freebnc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348520399 120567 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1348520399 261739 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1348520399 986547 :nortti-!nortti@ie.freebnc.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1348520400 385166 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 257 seconds < 1348520418 682602 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my apologies I did not mean to kill lambdabot) < 1348520441 597323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it's a page with a slash in its title; subpages get an automatic link back to the top < 1348520470 848155 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm ok < 1348520479 656893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare e.g. http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Zzo38/FurryScript (on esolang, User: namespace has subpages but not main namespace) < 1348520541 449467 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what the hell is "if n % 1 == 0:" for, at the beginning of the code? I thought the remainder of a euclidian division by 1 was always 0. < 1348520562 562736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not the only user subpage and I am not the only one who has it, but that is one example. < 1348520618 802538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i dunno < 1348520649 194430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> rem <$> [-1, 0, 1] <*> [1] < 1348520655 856626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1348520681 343725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: don't worry, lambdabot dying was just my bad karma. < 1348520701 530416 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an incentive for me to stop talking to you? :( < 1348520766 878460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm a tricky question. i don't fully understand how my karma works, or else it wouldn't be so bad... < 1348520814 159013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: oh hm i remember: the n may not be an integer. < 1348520826 48568 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhhkay < 1348520844 828422 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "in case it's not an integer, multiply it by ten"? < 1348520855 941106 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it all makes sense now! < 1348520868 719352 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean it can be a decimal < 1348520884 426236 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thought it could be a string or whatever other kind of data < 1348520931 632790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, although i am somewhat worried if that will always terminate... oh wait it will, although the number may be misrepresented < 1348520958 321161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :say 0.1 is not perfectly representable in binary < 1348520973 474587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever 0.1 is replaced with, will be. < 1348520978 971095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.1 * 10 < 1348520994 814834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats lambdabot in absentia -----### < 1348521045 290973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i really mean is that it might not always calculate the same as summing the digits in the original string < 1348521069 282506 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1348521195 392710 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thank you and have a good night! < 1348521604 87308 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348521660 634294 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1348521820 972314 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348521848 666190 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348521849 13053 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348521877 7619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348521889 778548 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348521894 286165 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348522141 380958 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348522209 925409 :kinoSi0!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348522237 703238 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348522334 966795 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348522363 862432 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348522363 927651 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348522364 56273 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 QUIT :Read error: No buffer space available < 1348522401 323083 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1348522414 881858 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348522717 232801 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348522733 397092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you know about Base32? < 1348522744 55674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like Base64 but using only A-Z2-7 < 1348522756 724331 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348522799 325727 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :decoders are allowed to interpret 0 as O and 1 as I < 1348522896 108600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :K00L < 1348522926 325911 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1348523155 855520 :monqy_!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348523169 935905 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1348523174 509998 :monqy_!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net NICK :monqy < 1348523193 687459 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-129-178.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348523308 306391 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348523320 395106 :kinoSi0!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348523322 768202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348523324 268239 :FireFly!~firefly@firefly.xen.prgmr.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1348523352 76009 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348523379 276206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348523392 26360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 arrested after having sex in public park, witnesses watch for 15 minutes" < 1348523399 332054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an important detail < 1348523428 186961 :kallisti_!~eris@spirity.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1348523432 598173 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-129-178.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348523432 683570 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348523433 113238 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348523455 734856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a++ would watch again < 1348523456 105071 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, police blotter. You make every newspaper a newspaper from Florida." < 1348523637 148605 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348523746 506291 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1348523791 887989 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Zzzz < 1348524152 644684 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348524178 675162 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I can't decide who in that story is creepier. < 1348524185 647546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, right? < 1348524197 138035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, sounds reasonable. < 1348524209 607798 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna have to go with the witnesses. 'cause at least the perpetrators were getting laid. < 1348524241 256035 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I think if you're having sex in public, you are implicitly consenting to being watched < 1348524248 51594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed that's the point of it for some people < 1348524292 885610 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was talking about base32. < 1348524299 350079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure you were < 1348524303 730090 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*scoffs* < 1348524316 2646 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Don't go trying to hide behind your fancy mathematics. < 1348524321 334800 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348524386 371249 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348524502 59108 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, after a lot of orbital fuckery, the Proportional Response V is now on a relatively accurate course into Joolian orbit. < 1348524556 89706 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348524556 166221 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-yfncsikfbguqukmo QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348524556 411830 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348524683 261220 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1348524738 279905 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :augur < 1348524810 365869 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vwiyzhpqreopwhlr JOIN :#esoteric < 1348524977 134314 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348525007 464027 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348525070 72284 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, also, further calculations suggest that this mission will not be able to return home. < 1348525127 150743 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348525156 375659 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It and its crew will remain tragically stranded on the beach moon of Laythe, condemned to an eternity of sunning themselves without a care in the world. < 1348525208 747481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1348525252 459444 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they've reached gerbil heaven? < 1348525266 746750 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348525278 480265 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or still on their way to < 1348525289 600198 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348525310 454647 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, i guess < 1348525332 889796 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They deserve it by now, they've been at this for 332 days. < 1348525437 141311 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1348525485 830753 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps not; they're currently roaring in towards Jool, and they're angled wrong to use the moons' gravity to slow down. < 1348525502 583149 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348525507 335635 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've failed to figure out what the normal gerbil life span is, but 332 days might be appropriate < 1348525564 787368 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem pretty sprightly. < 1348525632 565151 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just took one out on an EVA to check if anything had fallen off the rocket and he seemed pretty sprightly. < 1348525833 57244 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I totally can use the moons for gravity assists. < 1348526116 145094 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1348526142 265613 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, as the gerbil crew would say: squeak < 1348526222 447800 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately I was only able to accomplish these assists by flying headlong into Jool, because the trajectory plotter isn't quiiiite working properly. < 1348526253 602143 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh*, I guess I can just aerobrake and then waste all my fuel. < 1348526358 148893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this game run on linux < 1348526378 735943 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1348526385 817283 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's actual news from the gerbil space program < 1348526389 848780 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard talk of a port, but nothing more than rumours. < 1348526627 502457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :any port in a storm < 1348526648 194022 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://imgur.com/r6FIP < 1348526652 235439 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aerobraking in progress. < 1348526668 371334 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :godspeed < 1348526687 858185 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'll probably have to savescum like hell for this, because there's no way to actually calculate aerobrake results. < 1348526937 425389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's great < 1348526944 35631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"why don't you go outside and see if anything fell off the rocket" < 1348526991 184910 :rodgort`!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348527001 965140 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately, nothing had < 1348527010 572305 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1348527010 855165 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org QUIT :Changing host < 1348527010 875055 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1348527016 279818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any point checking? < 1348527025 654579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if something had fallen off, could you do anything about it? < 1348527025 843674 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1348527038 453236 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much as yet. < 1348527056 901347 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 399 seconds < 1348527057 916792 :kallisti_!~eris@spirity.org QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348527059 268841 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can disable individual fuel tanks and maybe try and rebalance it a bit, but that's all. < 1348527114 854789 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you can jettison stages if they take minor damage and try and get by on what's left; that's what I had to do after the ascent stage broke. < 1348527126 448013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1348527154 764355 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVA's not very developed yet though, it's mostly just there to look cool. < 1348527178 3490 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does allow crew transfers and walking around on moons though. < 1348527184 253962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you rig together an adapter between systems manufactured by different contractors out of duct tape? < 1348527216 230232 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not yet. < 1348527268 313243 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now comes the harrowing process of trying to actually rendezvous with anything from the ridiculous orbit I've put myself in. < 1348527288 535843 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://0.tqn.com/d/space/1/0/K/8/1/GPN-2002-000055.jpg actually looks pretty legit < 1348527292 939711 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is some expert duct tape tearing < 1348527310 163465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume this is an essential part of astronaut training < 1348527373 533506 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am praying so hard right now that the autopilot can transfer me to the moons rather than me having to do it myself. < 1348527991 822890 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It cannot! < 1348528415 764375 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81e92a.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348528756 46612 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348528762 132893 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133972.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.89 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427] < 1348528851 150550 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1348529439 930231 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1348529440 491419 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1348529451 368615 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1348529816 166089 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348529829 403164 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348530188 894757 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid, stupid, stupid. < 1348530196 224515 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I completely cocked up that aerobrake. < 1348530219 294301 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dumped most of my velocity, which just means it's harder to shed. < 1348530221 763623 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Savescum time! < 1348530435 916726 :tertu!~TeruFSX@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348530575 756264 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348530692 243213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :space travel is hard < 1348530730 612982 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, it's not exactly brain surgery < 1348530779 283047 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1348530779 301599 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1348531334 216582 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Important lesson of the day: orbital twiddles are best done near the top of eccentric orbits. < 1348531635 35024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps bonghits will fix your orbits < 1348531906 834080 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good news, though: I did some more calculations and I realised the earlier ones were bullshit! < 1348531938 915382 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gerbils can totally get off the beach if I turn the high-thrust engine back on. < 1348532054 1329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::w < 1348532073 194950 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt they'll be able to get back though. < 1348532114 769377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a small step for a gerbil < 1348532229 442112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1348532230 850345 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348532462 268051 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348532587 654646 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I can make for moon rendezvouses now. < 1348532615 325363 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hooooly hell. < 1348532720 127456 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a gravity assist from Laythe I can go from 70 million kilometres from the sun to 600,000. < 1348532745 330286 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately it would entail going through Laythe. < 1348532936 236851 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to go to the sun??? < 1348533060 916177 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1348533079 63334 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be stretching my delta-v butchet a bit much. < 1348533177 92551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you trying to go? < 1348533188 519358 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The various moons of a gas giant. < 1348533301 896694 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a convenient gravity assist I'm on a pretty reasonable orbit now. < 1348533310 599815 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll stop here for the night. < 1348533709 69046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348535395 308247 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348535430 634990 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348535693 231672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to fnord the river and my fuckin' oxen died < 1348535754 546355 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnuckin'? < 1348535764 476812 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :finger nuckin good < 1348535847 811585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSP uses PhysX < 1348535869 414015 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if you can hook it up to a big Tesla box to have ultra accurate orbital calculations < 1348535932 961053 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you use ephemeris for orbit calculation? < 1348535978 367616 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you want to go to the moon of a gas giant it is going to be far away, and lack of air, isn't it? < 1348536544 674099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might be air < 1348536548 865906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what kerbals breathe anyway < 1348536583 677627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :europa has oxygen atmosphere, but not very much of it < 1348536605 916896 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you need extra oxygen? < 1348536788 567405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is said to be a lot of oxygen in the ocean there < 1348536921 266626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oxygen is bad for you in large quantities. < 1348536959 729637 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of things are poison for you in too large quantities < 1348537003 258425 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-129-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Really? Isn't straight O2 used in medicine sometimes for breathing? < 1348537018 279448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Who said anything about the 2? < 1348537046 114184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Straight O is pretty dangerous. < 1348537050 458472 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-129-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, when you say "oxygen" it's generally assumed you are referring to the diatomic gas, not the free ion. < 1348537057 388956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Actually too much O2 is bad for you in some cases. < 1348537057 953489 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-129-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Straight O is *incredibly* dangerous, yes. < 1348537066 724558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example it's a very bad idea to go SCUBA-diving with it. < 1348537122 881126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :free ion! < 1348537148 891370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about Ofast < 1348537158 934628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i breathe funsafe-math < 1348537187 912070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is not air, so probably you cannot breathe funsafe-math. < 1348537215 41927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So apparently writing GHC patches is really easy. < 1348537217 573081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should do one! < 1348537217 800258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can breathe some things that are not air < 1348537223 686049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :such as other mixtures including oxygen < 1348537226 354854 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some liquids < 1348537234 435438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breathing liquids is nifty. < 1348537235 542906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I've thought about it < 1348537238 371143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear it's pretty dangerous, though. < 1348537241 838715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ACIO? < 1348537270 461236 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-129-178.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The danger with breathing liquid is that the too-high viscosity can overwork your diaphram. < 1348537303 409996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : kmc: So apparently writing GHC patches is really easy. < 1348537305 675001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : I hear it's pretty dangerous, though. < 1348538599 870228 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i wonder if you can hook it up to a big Tesla box to have ultra accurate orbital calculations < 1348538616 971830 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KSP uses patched conics anyway so the orbital simulations are for all intents and purposes exact. < 1348538758 884504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok fine, accurate non-orbital calculations < 1348538831 928121 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Kerbal's atmosphere does contain oxygen, and their jet engines rely on it to work. < 1348538838 169931 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks < 1348538849 449649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the jets do, sure < 1348538854 511186 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but presumably they have rockets that don't < 1348538874 786971 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I was speaking wrt atmospheric composition earlier. < 1348538893 608488 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laythe has an oxygen atmosphere too. < 1348538920 75736 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I have to go to bed, like, now. < 1348538922 868909 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348539068 44715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't tell what group of people today's xkcd is strawman-mocking < 1348539134 243916 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1348539180 409055 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348539336 955268 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1348540616 173038 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 NICK :quintopia < 1348540628 810795 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1348540628 829362 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1348543625 805094 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348543712 507374 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348544081 866188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348544609 504529 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-78.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1348545394 594213 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finally broke into the Cybertown jail < 1348545505 610689 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't that strike you as a bit backwards < 1348545505 919672 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 8 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1348545865 141056 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-jailed persons were not allowed to enter the jail < 1348545877 341765 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you tried, ... not sure what happened. Thrown in jail? < 1348545897 33719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1348546642 326297 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At any rate, I think Cybertown is too dead for anyone to actually complain < 1348546653 246671 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they pulled the Jail from existence a number of years ago < 1348546660 455136 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just using a copy that the Internet Archive grabbed < 1348546665 270884 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 IA so much right now < 1348547801 394055 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know of that video of a guy walking out of his car as it gets hit by another car? < 1348547924 907882 :tertu!~TeruFSX@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348547965 473017 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it someone pulled over by a cop? < 1348548167 851366 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1348548184 656151 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i remember is this guy just opens the door and walks out of the car as it spins < 1348548421 71564 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could try asking on reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue < 1348549307 888254 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the clip from RED? < 1348549383 835000 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYBM8VsxHEg he kind of just opens the door and walks out of the car as it spins < 1348549913 953385 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-78.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1348549939 36544 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no this was a real crash < 1348549949 932690 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think the guy was actually IN the car but < 1348549958 757373 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looked like he was < 1348550036 643907 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah in that clip, i guess the car didn't even get hit. < 1348550041 681533 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i have to go, good luck < 1348550073 624884 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see ya sexyboy <3 < 1348550074 533598 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::X < 1348551944 784102 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au NICK :itidus21 < 1348552847 889464 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: you seem to specialize in virtual environments < 1348553234 837633 :nortti!nortti@ie.freebnc.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1348553239 351335 :nortti_!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :nortti < 1348553257 954929 :nortti-!nortti@ie.freebnc.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348554166 333641 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348554212 206327 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, Maven doesn't list any VRML utilities < 1348554812 278489 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, tswett: Boring update. < 1348555377 420840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if JIT spraying is practical on ARM / Thumb or if instruction alignment is too restricted < 1348555456 65427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if you can only jump to intended instructions, some JITs might produce a sequence of instructions where jumping into the middle does something interesting < 1348555489 942241 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric programming is to exploit development as particle physics is to nuclear weapon design < 1348557196 39152 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: when was the last time someone wrote an exploit based on the developments in the brainfuck world? :| < 1348557477 318586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was the last time someone designed a weapon using neutrinos < 1348558357 546589 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can Selenium see what resources are being downloaded for a web page ala Google Chrome's development tools? < 1348558628 124627 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION decides that it makes far more sense to ask in #selenium < 1348563416 102515 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello > 1348563690 982853 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348563692 167019 :glogbot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1348563693 154810 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric < 1348563693 355709 :SimonRC!~sc@fof.durge.org JOIN :#esoteric > 1348563695 111437 JOIN :#esoteric > 1348563695 629792 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348563716 380237 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1348563923 438647 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348563924 92332 :Sanqui!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348563938 91857 :Sanqui!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky JOIN :#esoteric < 1348564601 118945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348564682 162417 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-0-183.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1348564974 162472 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-0-183.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1348565266 267666 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-0-183.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric > 1348565791 730392 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348565793 205618 :glogbot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1348565794 225563 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric > 1348565795 863875 JOIN :#esoteric > 1348565796 379797 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348567399 788755 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1348567653 148518 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1348569328 206295 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348569704 722122 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au NICK :itidus21 < 1348570122 266480 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vwiyzhpqreopwhlr QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1348570122 499134 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1348570140 121931 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oyllnhbywcyvlexd JOIN :#esoteric < 1348570578 364285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/10do93/errors_vs_bugs_and_the_end_of_stupidity/c6cnb8u?context=3 < 1348570581 777764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : :P < 1348570697 972044 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1348571122 193411 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348572787 482012 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348573307 538926 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1348573378 922375 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i really want to eat a cake just to show that my digestive system is working < 1348573558 171426 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really liking this line: "Lazy" and "stupid" and "bad at ____" are terms about the map, not the territory. < 1348573564 356099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a convetion that, just like ^@, ^A, ..., ^_ map to NUL, SOH, ..., US, then ^`, ^a, ..., ^~ could map to the 0x80, 0x81, ..., 0x9e controls? (Okay, the 0x9f is a bit of an issue, due to 0x7f being what it is.) < 1348573636 288919 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wiki page for map-territory relation starts talking about Jiddu Krishnamurti and Alfred Korzybski < 1348573689 349489 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is only one degree away from theosophists and scientology < 1348573758 76092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: is it the case that you don't like the line because it conflicts with the beliefs you use to keep up your incompetence self-image? < 1348573776 355790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just a cynical hunch, here) < 1348573786 66274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a hypocritical one, too) < 1348573937 427051 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't know if alfred korzybski is a good guy or not.. WP says he influenced many people.. william s burroughs who kills and writes about drug addiction, l ron hubbard who boasted that you can get rich by starting a religion, john grinder who started NLP < 1348573952 423927 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on the other hand quite a many great authors < 1348573995 153773 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i actually don't know the details on jiddu < 1348574232 748430 :webchatuser!55497f52@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.73.127.82 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348574362 446768 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just hit a nerve about these things.. < 1348574438 462499 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe george orwell would not approve of celandine13's newspeak < 1348574458 729519 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1348574804 399454 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, i know those names for all the wrong reasons < 1348574900 181827 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always react to urls... i always regret it < 1348574914 345037 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets not make too much of this < 1348574927 813544 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like sometimes i rant about patents or about windows 8 < 1348575049 464241 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-0-183.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1348575134 22643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1348575221 166804 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348575244 348202 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1348575324 722994 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it weird that the wiki is esolangs.org but the main page's title is "Esolang, the esoteric programming languages wiki"? < 1348575586 293135 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1348575621 489441 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348575625 936019 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it is weird or not, but I keep forgetting whether I need to put in the plural or not. < 1348575909 931379 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/ajPL -- "such an illegal act like that should stop"! < 1348575920 899057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Tunde guy sure keeps repeating him(?)self. < 1348575926 642420 :webchatuser!55497f52@gateway/web/freenode/ip.85.73.127.82 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1348575996 844160 :tertu!~TeruFSX@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348576149 781228 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a language is known to be at most as powerful as a linear bounded automaton, should I put it in that category, or leave it as "unknown computational class"? < 1348576211 284007 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it is known that every program in that language can be translated into a linear bounded automaton, but whether any linear bounded automaton can be translated into this language is unknown (and likely to be false) < 1348576232 885184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's "likely to be false", it perhaps doesn't belong in the category. < 1348576277 492228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least based on a strict reading of the category description. < 1348576315 912919 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1348576951 961373 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The linear-bounded automata category is pretty sparse, and I'm a bit dubious about some of those. 2DP for example sounds more finite-state to me. (At least based on the current logic: "-- because of its fixed playfield and data size." Though I do note there doesn't seem to be a limit on the number of heads made by NEWHD.) < 1348576952 742260 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348577034 478749 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a raw nerve seeing anything related to that.. im too mentally unstable to explore such topics. it was only a few months ago that i had to explain to police and my doctor that i thought my brother was doing behavior modification to me < 1348577063 807747 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not intended a well reasoned critique < 1348577076 854244 :tertu!~TeruFSX@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348577595 644501 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't blame him. < 1348577723 266759 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, bitbitjump is also in the linear-bounded automata category, yet it seems to be no more than a bounded storage machine < 1348577975 660814 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: I would've mentioned BitBitJump except I couldn't quite bother figuring out what was going on with it. The examples keep talking about infinite memory. < 1348577992 790209 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1348578000 831209 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, basically each instruction contains a "goto" < 1348578015 372109 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this goto is only 8-bit long < 1348578053 638246 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I don't quite see how we're supposed to access memory with addresses larger than 8-bit < 1348578461 863388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see 8 bits specified anywhere, though. < 1348578502 491041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have a fixed word length at the beginning, but then that somehow disappears. < 1348578575 599150 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then I have no idea! < 1348578586 966007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the reverse-a-string and brainfuck interpreter examples that mention "unlimited memory" just mean the assembly form programs can run with any word size. Maybe. < 1348578614 248103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's mostly from interpreting "As in the example above, the interpreter in its assembly form is not bound to the memory limitation of the BitBitJump instruction." < 1348578885 644775 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348579495 21695 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i quite liked bytepusher < 1348579521 482715 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but after a short while i felt like it was really depressing way to program < 1348579626 405847 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats .. .... ill try to contribute later < 1348579853 776221 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348579860 495034 :kinoSi0!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348579888 185331 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348580002 659972 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has a brilliant idea < 1348580008 19365 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a specific use case < 1348580011 944322 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's so beautiful < 1348580035 452634 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...although come to think of it, I'm sure it already exists, but not for the reason I have in mind < 1348580057 97298 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Web service that redirects requests. First trying at one URL, but if it doesn't exist, another one. < 1348580101 776302 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you were trying to find esokangs.org, but since it doesn't exist, let us redirect you to this nice online dating site" < 1348580222 919107 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite what I had in mind < 1348580256 529509 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fixed list of URLs to serve as roots. Client requests http://myservice.example.com/bla.wrl < 1348580277 552761 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First it tries to find it on the Internet Archive at a specific place, latest time. If that doesn't work, then tries each list of web routes < 1348580288 228368 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each root on the list < 1348580544 964956 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does wonder if it may be better to just physically try to gather the files into one place < 1348580719 921789 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Our terms of use specify that users of the Wayback Machine are not to copy data from the collection." < 1348580723 565247 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there goes that idea. < 1348581260 166545 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348581299 560006 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348581753 946992 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348582182 399691 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1348582185 79073 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Memos are a thing? < 1348582219 3321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever gotten one. If you mean freenode memoserv. < 1348582249 735719 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ... have a memo from MemoServ < 1348582258 830409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A thing is certainly what they are. < 1348582259 847870 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one from you? < 1348582269 714006 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, yes < 1348582279 804636 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, "yes" is literally what it said < 1348582291 279624 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, not rigorously. < 1348582293 776712 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1348582305 206333 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote it back in the days when I was silly and didn't test things much < 1348582574 75036 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it morally acceptable for a server to, upon receiving an HTTP request, itself make some requests before responding? < 1348582581 367573 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly realizes that he might not need to < 1348582595 198632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, proxy servers are immoral. < 1348582596 960965 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on what HTTP supports < 1348582661 222869 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I guess I should read about HTTP 300 works < 1348582695 459078 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, not 300. < 1348582696 696094 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1348582729 96482 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no response that says to the client "Try these URLs and use whichever works"? < 1348582970 720746 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, liveweb.archive.org doesn't have a coherent robots.txt < 1348582990 307261 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If we confuse them, maybe they'll leave us alone!" < 1348583031 82902 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-129-178.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1348583090 894907 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-0-183.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1348583348 855165 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-0-183.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348583397 206531 :NihilistDandy!~ND@ip094118.uvm.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348583519 70571 :JaBoJa!~jaboja@erw90.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348583817 707184 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-0-183.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1348584002 274688 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With OverloadedSyntax and MonadComprehensions < 1348584002 506918 :JaBoJa!~jaboja@erw90.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348584007 45553 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do things end up? < 1348584073 758880 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not overloaded syntax... < 1348584081 24092 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mixing two things up < 1348584084 61313 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I? < 1348584179 222252 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RebindableSyntax < 1348584416 871211 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling I won't even need to use Compojure < 1348584418 317300 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just Ring < 1348584421 165701 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Raw Ring < 1348586018 431095 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-0-183.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1348586087 758376 :NihilistDandy!~ND@ip094118.uvm.edu QUIT :Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"] < 1348586690 204827 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348586737 725778 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1348586745 182014 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net NICK :atriq < 1348586750 990702 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot to turn off my other computer... < 1348586765 122387 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348586910 555246 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bitch! < 1348586948 160312 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way I can turn off my computer from up here? < 1348586969 683988 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I know my password etc? < 1348587230 36483 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, you mean, by connecting via ssh? < 1348587238 35656 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then I think it's the shutdown command? < 1348587339 853324 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1348587344 898913 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to learn how to use ssh < 1348587381 472096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ssh username@hostname < 1348587397 55903 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The computer might not have sshd running though < 1348587436 974110 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1348587443 66082 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't set anything up < 1348587585 207984 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348587889 211798 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348588392 771322 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I didn't do that) < 1348588485 441653 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :pumpkin < 1348588490 759834 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1348588571 400815 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348588642 245810 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "up here"? Different building, or same building? < 1348588648 848017 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ya see being british theres - i'm no stranger to that. i grew up listening to radio. we'd a fuckin' ventriliquist star on the radio. a ventriloquist! i'm sure there was two guys - just showed up. hello archie! how ya doin bobbie? i wonder if they bothered bringing the doll at all. ah fuck it, leave it at home. < 1348588664 925541 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably not as funny as i hoped) < 1348588995 204879 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1348589000 115813 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same building < 1348589006 544814 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just I can't be bothered to go downstairs < 1348589417 431210 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: maybe it's time to build a downstairs riding robot < 1348589453 839016 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would involve getting up < 1348589489 615191 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't grow up with stairs so i can't imagine what sort of games one thinks up to play with stairs < 1348589509 349853 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1348589512 465487 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not many, oddly < 1348589532 136584 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "see if you can get to the top floor without touching the stairs" < 1348589539 600839 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1348589551 143476 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1348589591 284426 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe that growing kids figure out a game to play with everything < 1348589613 529323 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"toss the skull" < 1348589692 538102 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im serious too of course < 1348589760 374986 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how hard it'd be to set this computer up as a proxy server < 1348589783 375264 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this was an experience < 1348589796 261146 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1348589804 170418 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Writing a simple guess the number game in Clojure with Eclipse+Counterclockwise) < 1348589837 477465 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cardboard roll left over with wrapping paper was always good to have swordfights, balloons made adhoc volleyballs, record players were good at making objects spin around, chairs made of foam could be shunted around like cars, hockey could be played with rubber balls + brooms < 1348589948 812507 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :filling buckets with quamquots and throwing em at each other seemed fun at the time, lawn bowls played on carpet with marbles < 1348589953 764456 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348590118 295553 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :stacking cushions up over a chair and trying to leap over it, trying to get around on the furniture without touching the floor, i never personally did the thing with two tins joined by a wire as a makeshift radio, but there is paper planes too < 1348590124 911337 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: lambdabot went missing for some time yesterday night, so I left you a /ms message < 1348590213 103758 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can read them with "/ms read 0" or something < 1348590261 274951 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hrm, that should be a 1, actually) < 1348590318 568960 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently 0 only works if you have no messages (in which case it tells you that you have no messages); if you do have messages, it tells you 0 is an invalid index number < 1348590359 502477 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348590375 968627 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a feeling that learning to "pretend the floor is lava" is something we are genetically compelled to try < 1348590414 454503 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps some dark chapter of human history < 1348590430 588277 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :best... left... forgotten... < 1348590434 765921 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think there is a collective memory stuck in our unconscious mind, reminiscent of a time where the flood actually was lava? < 1348590538 258683 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe we're all potential thieves or spies, trained to avoid motion sensors on the ground. < 1348590559 488560 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`specialeffect lightning and dreariness < 1348590569 707530 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: specialeffect: not found < 1348590614 992904 :nooga!~nooga@91.202.103.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348590640 28290 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348590658 563612 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: something like that. i like your wording < 1348590696 809032 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have said "a time when" I guess... stupid french language with no distinction between time and space < 1348590905 232094 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, I saw it < 1348590942 969190 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :also.. for what it's worth i think quite a bit of super mario brothers gameplay boils down to "pretend the floor is " < 1348591012 974102 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the cleverness was in abstracting that < 1348591215 866907 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348591246 70325 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1348591336 709252 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348591428 284874 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348591448 7411 :nooga!~nooga@91.202.103.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1348591563 23105 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only started playing spuer mario bros quite recently... < 1348591587 536350 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, it's actually a fan-reprogrammed version of super mario bros where mario carries a portal gun...) < 1348591642 752737 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mariO < 1348591686 174797 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have the minus world? < 1348591722 261521 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1348592317 899231 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:5139:ee4a:8cc4:765d JOIN :#esoteric < 1348592329 961948 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:5139:ee4a:8cc4:765d QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348592373 935999 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:5139:ee4a:8cc4:765d JOIN :#esoteric < 1348592687 931299 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:5139:ee4a:8cc4:765d QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348592688 126184 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348593384 820827 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Have you played the portal-inspired maps, or just the original ones? < 1348593405 4411 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: TBH, the portal gun adds nothing whatsoever to the original game, but the portal-like game with Mario physics is fun. < 1348593442 425347 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :buftux < 1348593458 394554 :buftux!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1348593595 844190 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348594241 723212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, /r/programming is running a big ad soliciting donations for http://www.girlswhocode.com/ < 1348594244 717527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool < 1348594262 377336 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348594289 402448 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348595052 263885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl (+) 0 $ iterate (*20) 1 < 1348595053 260887 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,21,421,8421,168421,3368421,67368421,1347368421,26947368421,53894736842... < 1348595819 727808 :nooga!~nooga@91.202.103.254 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348595823 166293 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348595887 869873 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-24-143.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1348595898 714447 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-24-143.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1348595950 768895 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi. < 1348596194 710266 :nooga!~nooga@91.202.103.254 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348597374 274962 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1348598756 145810 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-24-143.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348598855 973077 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:5139:ee4a:8cc4:765d JOIN :#esoteric < 1348598894 628346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'the USSD code to factory data reset a Galaxy S3 is *2767*3855# can be triggered from browser like this: ' < 1348598941 911249 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348598993 342150 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348599017 235722 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, can you recommend a gateway hat < 1348599062 39053 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean “gateway” in the sense of gateway drug? < 1348599067 59949 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1348599070 356299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea of putting this in a QR code < 1348599072 785972 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or gateway anime. < 1348599078 72590 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as in hat shaped like a gate < 1348599148 419869 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been recommended that I start wearing hats < 1348599195 80487 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: http://www.villagehatshop.com/jaxon_wool_pork_pie.html < 1348599225 617188 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which… they only seem to have in medium, so unless you're a size medium, ignore that :) < 1348599234 512545 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1348599239 731621 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have no idea what hat size I am < 1348599245 657179 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm very new to this < 1348599274 810020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/underwire/2012/09/heisenberg_660.jpg < 1348599448 695603 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Well, figure that out first. < 1348599471 205146 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348599557 155410 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: http://www.villagehatshop.com/jaxon_hats_c-crown_stingy-brim_fedoras_pinstripe.html < 1348599751 855983 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fedora eventually became a gilligan < 1348599986 110874 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-12.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1348600623 85421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348601498 942878 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348601674 263220 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348601908 461658 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-190-28.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348603083 270231 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-190-28.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1348603090 923640 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-180-199.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348603526 672786 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348604274 761095 :pikhq!~pikhq@97-121-180-199.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348604275 398912 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-132-98.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348605087 610698 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1348605130 654498 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes, I've played the portal inspired ones < 1348605140 358530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348605147 123812 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were kinda fun, but sometimes a little repetitive < 1348605197 583310 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also tried the other maps (I think players made them), they were fun as well but usually redundant - that is, there is an "obvious way" you're supposed to do it, but you can often find shortcuts < 1348605198 68967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Kinda fun, but sometimes a little repetitive | 我能吞下粘土而不伤身体。| Taneb is atriq, just so you know | My other Taneb is a dead racehorse | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1348605213 903677 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello Oerjan < 1348605224 881843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello arc_koen < 1348605227 26495 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that japanese stuff? < 1348605248 914187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it meant something with clay < 1348605255 274662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was already in the topic < 1348605255 764563 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1348605270 73781 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't. Well, mostly not" or something < 1348605275 12931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it was chinese < 1348605283 981346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no, it wasn't that < 1348605303 374835 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: what's the minus world? I had never played before so I wouldn't know < 1348605308 565898 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-132-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's definitely not Japanese. < 1348605327 373105 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the last character looks japanese < 1348605340 404654 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the middle stuff don't, though < 1348605343 383898 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-132-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Simplified Chinese. < 1348605347 99614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate gave a coherent result for chinese as i recall < 1348605393 26313 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-132-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The shinjitai of 體, 体 is also the Simplified of 體. < 1348605407 395590 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that "wrapping area" I accessed by accident from world 4, that leads to worlds 6, 7 and 8 via green pipes < 1348605422 368395 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: 1-2 has warping area too < 1348605425 227419 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-12.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1348605435 966010 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :made the game kind of boring though... now I feel like I could just complete world 8 without going through the remaining three < 1348605436 546331 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you go through the wall instead of properly, and go into the pipe before the screen scrolls completely < 1348605442 344549 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You end up in a glitched out world instead < 1348605449 994552 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That loops forever < 1348605450 966631 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1348605465 878671 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the 4th-levels did loop forever < 1348605494 882681 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, there was a repetitive sequence of tiles that repeated forever, until you had passed it "the right way" < 1348605519 480196 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Kinda fun, but sometimes a little repetitive | No hablo chino. | Taneb is atriq, just so you know | My other Taneb is a dead racehorse | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1348605526 85772 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went through ten or so times through it the easy way before I tried the other -_- < 1348605603 231906 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the portal guns adds nothing in the original maps, but can be used to "cheat" - for instance the first time I did that underwater level, I hadn't realized I could swim, so I had to climb all the walls using portals < 1348605627 906973 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which was very hazardous with all the jellyfishes around) < 1348605989 538052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:26:15: i have a feeling that learning to "pretend the floor is lava" is something we are genetically compelled to try < 1348605992 620484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:26:54: perhaps some dark chapter of human history < 1348605998 645664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when we lived in the trees, i presume < 1348606017 761983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_actual_ lava wouldn't work for this. < 1348606035 403543 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The floor is full of tigers and stuff" < 1348606050 410729 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the air near lava is hot too < 1348606058 346812 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also heat radiation < 1348606064 870606 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lava was just an absurd lemma for dangerous below < 1348606071 384962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ConvectionSchmonvection if you have plenty of time < 1348606082 312898 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretended lava works so much better than actual lava! < 1348606085 735453 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not sure if that is correct use of lemma < 1348606090 42664 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why people near lava wear those reflective suits < 1348606118 678100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: i'm pretty sure it's not the usual use < 1348606129 96526 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in one of the canary islands, the population had to hide from pirates inside a lava tunnel < 1348606132 800844 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok. heh < 1348606144 530311 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(older, cold lava, of course) < 1348606296 946553 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been on Tenerife < 1348606302 886328 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Tenerife has lava tunnels? < 1348606309 215677 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it does < 1348607059 822961 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :dog < 1348607121 41531 :dog!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1348607124 526089 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :dog < 1348608275 731422 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: goodnight < 1348608296 896087 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: so how do I go to this 1-2 wrapping world? < 1348608399 24634 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WG_xxm-HSRY < 1348608489 428773 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1348608499 932627 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need the glitch to go to it < 1348608523 966461 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I remember this "you can't go back" thingy, but I think it doesn't exist any longer on the current version of mar0 < 1348608729 593557 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I can see the world after the wall < 1348608735 640962 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know how to get through to it < 1348608795 614438 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhoho < 1348608801 314373 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :used the portals to climb to the ceiling < 1348608804 401557 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm n the warp zone! < 1348608821 90655 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what now < 1348609200 971516 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok, finite state automaton < 1348609224 285382 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it can "access" a memory as large as its input < 1348609781 734974 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, I don't really know what a transition graph exactly is, but wouldn't that mean that Bipoint is equivalent to FSAs? < 1348610135 819274 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey if I want to implement a deque, is it more usual to call its functions push_front, push_back, pop_front, pop_back, etc., or push_front, push_rear, pop_front, pop_rear, etc.? < 1348610297 204998 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348610318 735129 :dog!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348610406 388504 :dog!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348610531 518971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it's equivalent to FSA as far as recognizing input is concerned, although obviously not as far as giving output < 1348610654 215479 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it's been so long I had forgotten automata had input < 1348610658 114265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i think the output-giving FSAs are not as often teached as the recognizing ones (the former are called transducers, the latter are what is equivalent to regular expressions) < 1348610718 70692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*taught < 1348610789 124861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just learned from wikipedia that it's undecidable whether two FS tranducers are equivalent... < 1348610811 185633 :dog!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348611250 54352 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION empties a truckload of transducers into the esolang wiki. < 1348611922 507877 :dog!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348611950 28817 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1348611963 151252 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348611984 789319 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348612942 303019 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm I thought Kipple had no popping mechanism < 1348612967 830739 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance I thought that "a>b" would push a copy of the topmost element of a onto b < 1348612995 206806 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's what the description seemed to imply < 1348612998 371419 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "Input is pushed onto stack i before the program is executed" < 1348613018 627394 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems to imply that reading a character would pop it < 1348613038 280703 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(otherwise only the last character inputted can be read) < 1348613325 369205 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnight < 1348613329 682901 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 QUIT :Quit: that's dr. turing to you, punk < 1348613766 868451 :dog!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT : < 1348614203 239463 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348614209 317009 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Client Quit < 1348614230 219917 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348614531 204561 :tertu!~TeruFSX@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348614532 105666 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-oyllnhbywcyvlexd QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348614580 789996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen Arguably (but certainly also counterarguably) the fact that the things are called stacks sort of mildly implies that the act of reading involves popping a value. (And the cat example only makes sense that way.) < 1348614580 985069 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1348614631 442282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one, two, three, argue! < 1348614666 887204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arg, arg. < 1348614710 398745 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348614750 206593 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"arguably" is a nice word ... is there anything that can't be argued about? < 1348614810 519922 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no arguing about taste, I've heard. < 1348614846 712342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disagree! < 1348614877 935125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And clearly all sentences that involve "clearly" are unarguable. < 1348614887 240594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. < 1348614895 236923 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously. < 1348614919 994018 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348614922 371566 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Naturalismo. < 1348614932 482336 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's trivial. < 1348614948 949980 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And because all sentences using the word “clearly” are unarguable, clearly eugenics is pretty great, right guys? < 1348614967 988595 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably, yes. < 1348614973 740033 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even has good (eu-) in the name < 1348614991 281141 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was bad it would be called malgenics or something < 1348615008 882016 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods sagely. < 1348615150 588959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: dysgenics, duh < 1348615165 281157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't mix your greek and latin < 1348615258 663025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that also means all EU projects/directives/legislation/bureaucracy/etc. are good things. < 1348615786 664300 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Please tell me that somewhere, someone, somehow, for some reason, has created the portmanteau “EU-genics” < 1348615852 398803 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did find http://philosophers-stone.co.uk/wordpress/2011/02/nazi-eu-genics-sterilisation-scalpels-rolled-out-in-uk/ < 1348615864 65749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Danish grounded outlet: happiest electric outlet? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0a/107-2-D1_-_Danish_electrical_plugs_-_Studio_2011.jpg/237px-107-2-D1_-_Danish_electrical_plugs_-_Studio_2011.jpg (middle) < 1348615906 872793 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:5139:ee4a:8cc4:765d QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348616187 941830 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:98e0:5c32:3aa6:7f5a JOIN :#esoteric < 1348616688 776776 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Sleeptime < 1348616941 16071 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-apisyymxityrbyab JOIN :#esoteric < 1348619949 883804 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348620133 303531 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348620638 779570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348620685 680677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1348622266 236400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i realized something today < 1348622275 376029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ORMs are a leaky abstraction because the normal way to manipulate data in your language (e.g. list comprehensions) doesn't translate to efficient database operations < 1348622288 367567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the value of something like LINQ is not that it gives you a nice syntax for database queries, but that it makes this the default for everything else, too < 1348622379 36560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why I write my entire program in SQL. < 1348622403 212725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the pro move < 1348622449 29195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www2.sqlonrails.org/ < 1348622456 529812 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC has those "generalized SQL-like list comprehensions" that I never heard of anyone using < 1348622466 390452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet they were contributed by one of the database DSL projects < 1348622478 611211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember SPJ's name associated with them. < 1348622495 368047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/simonpj/papers/list-comp/index.htm < 1348622528 781937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sql on rails is an obvious joke because there is no way to build webscale applications without leveraging NoSQL technology < 1348622659 713585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should probably write your business logic in SQL but interface to a NoSQL database for cloudscale storage < 1348622898 500082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I watched the first two seasons of that television series. < 1348622962 833778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1348623563 724195 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Skilled users can just fix GCC itself so that it implements nested function calls in a way that does not interfere with PaX.' < 1348623670 736270 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone once wanted a webpage to keep track of what items they require in the store and what they already have; I wrote it in SQLite Report Generator. So I don't know why you need NoSQL. Yes you can write an entire program in SQL, what I did is similar, I guess, but not quite. How else can you write an entire program in SQL? Probably it depend what SQL is used, since there is some different kinds of SQL? < 1348623777 409668 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-132-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: XD < 1348623782 491633 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-132-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that's even possible. < 1348623805 769052 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-132-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC nested functions are by necessity creating functions on the stack. < 1348623907 651503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can it be optimized? < 1348623946 401565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't they be lambda lifted < 1348623980 489667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they can't, if you want to be able to take the address of the nested function < 1348623999 58429 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't return that pointer but you could still use it locally < 1348624010 301893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it still needs to act kinda like a closure < 1348624023 253134 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-132-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are in fact a really weird form of closure. < 1348624025 757637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but a closure with bounded object lifetime) < 1348624037 374886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't allow taking the address, though, then I think you could do them as syntactic sugar < 1348624046 647723 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-132-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1348624057 577292 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-132-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the only real reason for them is so you can pass them as callbacks. < 1348624138 152331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You shouldn't disallow taking the address since the address can be used! But in the cases where it knows if you are not going to take the address, or other thing, it might be optimized. < 1348624211 578875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, if you use its address but the nested function does not use any local variables (other than static) then it might be changed to global static < 1348624234 12278 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-132-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC does that. < 1348624249 630326 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-132-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My lambda-in-C thing relies on that behavior, actually. < 1348624635 206943 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348624923 780680 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi david_werecat < 1348624929 445884 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like temple run? < 1348625035 56854 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, never heard of it. < 1348625057 82760 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1348625101 384911 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a fancy phone, so I couldn't play it even if I wanted to. < 1348625126 497939 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats too bad < 1348625189 208094 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348625464 273306 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348625633 770667 :SHUPFS!~user@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Quit: ERC Version 5.3 (IRC client for Emacs) < 1348626461 250693 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you know that PaX makes use of GCC plugins? < 1348626512 691461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Nope. < 1348626517 869633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@context < 1348626518 101580 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1348626556 480013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the kernel hardening features are implemented with custom compiler passes < 1348626560 444403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty hardcore < 1348626571 704749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, I see. < 1348626762 556749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are kernel hardening features? < 1348627068 898111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :features to make the kernel harder to exploit < 1348627077 127190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and/or make programs running under that kernel harder to exploit) < 1348627259 535957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should put hardeining features in GCC that make it auto-insert hardening code when it detects that it's compiling GCC. < 1348628046 222154 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1348629681 159174 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1348629760 719302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which tests of random number generator does ARCFOUR pass? < 1348630508 482296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, PaX found an unintended bug in the intentionally-buggy kernel module I'm playing with exploiting < 1348630540 194046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What module? < 1348630541 714599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@context < 1348630541 908329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1348630549 19588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one i wrote < 1348630584 799281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, you wrote C code with an unintentional bug in it? < 1348630588 645264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might as well give up on programming. < 1348630700 636184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1348630918 643050 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll never be more than an idiot code monkey drone < 1348631377 207105 :tertu!~TeruFSX@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348631433 393025 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hey, I forgot to announce an update monqy wait is kallisti supposed to be on my list I forget < 1348631439 512844 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also tswett < 1348631452 52828 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not recent, this was a number of hours ago, should have said something < 1348631457 319495 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I am not on your list < 1348631461 661315 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am waiting for the series to conclude. < 1348631478 708359 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I enjoy it more when I'm not waiting. >_> < 1348631484 271283 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I assume it will one day end. < 1348631496 184160 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if < 1348631500 583363 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just went on for 20 years < 1348631575 331647 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a lot of detailed analysis you will likely never see < 1348632532 287096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :craigslist's website is so shitty that they're now getting sued over it < 1348632579 819553 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1348633344 569322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2410128,00.asp < 1348633938 236928 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It really was a shameful mistake, though < 1348633946 340494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was using memcpy instead of copy_from_user < 1348634584 357961 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Conducting a PowerPoint presentation is a lot like smoking a cigar. Only the person doing it likes it. The people around him want to hit him with a chair." < 1348634817 116164 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-132-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, Powerpoint. < 1348634852 873302 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-132-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presenting is just reading a teleprompter behind you, right? < 1348635152 880948 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348635227 396242 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348635250 821222 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348636867 563940 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Quit: kwertii < 1348637098 506646 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp. < 1348637102 511252 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtu.be/LfFhHZq4oJU I have an accordion. < 1348637116 528372 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How are you suckers ever going to catch up with my amazingness now? < 1348637174 739107 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348637226 990818 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no way < 1348637233 336957 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no offense but just no way < 1348637259 796354 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :None taken *ha ha* < 1348637269 984905 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry to be so frank < 1348637292 571993 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-132-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your awesomeness made me spill water on my lap. < 1348637308 879445 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mic amp’s gain was too high, the sound is distorted. < 1348637315 165824 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you suck Gregor < 1348637384 729660 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: (a) I apologized for the sound in the description, (b) the “mic” is my phone, so it's not like it can do any better. < 1348637408 106245 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but i tried my best! :(" < 1348637421 726178 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"and even apologized for not being better!" < 1348637439 588782 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Gregor this is such ugly decline < 1348637454 911930 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :please upload another accordion vid to get back to the top. < 1348637489 479948 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, you buy me the professional video equipment. < 1348637505 532398 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348637522 347901 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could just make sure ion isn't here so no one notices the bad sound quality? < 1348637532 936427 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348637556 109705 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway that was pretty nice after two days < 1348637572 315721 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time i played the accordion i was like holy fuck this is heavy and that was it < 1348637580 851512 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i was 9 < 1348637597 573923 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This accordion was literally the first accordion I have ever picked up X-D < 1348637606 162710 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's definitely heavy, my left shoulder still hurts >_> < 1348637613 610580 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my friend used to play but he switched to drums because he grew up and became boring < 1348637630 555449 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laaaaaame. < 1348637651 370688 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1348637667 107446 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1348637682 806081 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i switched from piano to the electric guitar. not quite as bad but i'm not proud of it. < 1348637709 302120 :SHUPFS!~hercules@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348637717 13635 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piano -> piano+viola -> piano -> piano+accordion < 1348637728 581019 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1348637732 509165 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude < 1348637734 318405 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simultaneously? < 1348637735 674261 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1348637747 537208 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: That would be… quite the trick. < 1348637795 269062 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :accordion is kind of annoyingly asymmetric < 1348637804 668540 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :piano was so nice in that respect < 1348637822 496941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know someone who plays acoustic guitar, and I saw someone on television once who can play both acoustic guitar and electric guitar < 1348637835 588991 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is accordion is kind of annoyingly asymmetric? < 1348637866 221258 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're such a markov chain but umm leftie does different than rightie < 1348637876 807277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1348637897 465359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to play accordion but I think I may understand what you mean now. < 1348637910 59573 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The left hand buttons play chords, and are not arranged chromatically. < 1348637923 710506 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I saw someone on television once who can play both acoustic guitar and electric guitar" they are kind of pretty damn similar :D < 1348637925 479470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then how are they arranged? < 1348637927 996001 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not really suitable for the same kind of music as e.g. a piano. < 1348637946 229748 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: THAT WAS THE JOKE. < 1348637952 62600 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Vertically is the circle of fifths, horizontally is a selection of chords: Principle, major, minor, seventh, diminished. < 1348637953 613939 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't most accordions also have some kinda chromatic register or whatever for leftie < 1348637959 157433 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: what was? < 1348637972 542943 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“I saw someone on television once who can play both acoustic guitar and electric guitar” < 1348637981 100932 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: was that a joke??? < 1348637985 945995 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yes, I know it is similar; that person plays both though (some people play only one). But they do play different kind of music. And I think even electric guitar involves acoustics? < 1348637995 61217 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That couldn’t possibly be anything other than a joke. < 1348638004 119964 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm like 100% sure it wasn't a joke. < 1348638008 346407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it was a TV show. < 1348638011 916855 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1348638029 352723 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tv shows are not jokes. < 1348638034 105699 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are tv shows. < 1348638034 919682 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m 100 % sure it was a joke. I don’t know whether it was intentional, though. < 1348638053 512528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: OK. Fine. < 1348638073 34479 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be like that ion. < 1348638086 270694 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm gonna go see ya. < 1348638091 840845 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FWIW, i found it funny. < 1348638165 942093 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one cares < 1348638184 327471 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can eat sandwiches with two pieces of bread and sandwiches with three pieces of bread. < 1348638194 134064 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone cares < 1348638223 36538 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t believe in the existence of sandwiches with three pieces of bread. < 1348638233 127859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can play piano, and I don't know how to play other music instrument very well. < 1348638246 334166 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you upload a vid? < 1348638259 101533 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a recording < 1348638281 31712 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: it's an elegant way to do 1.5 sandwiches < 1348638294 881269 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZBXA4ye_us&fmt=18 < 1348638309 37090 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you gain an extra 25% topping < 1348638323 351995 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :err i mean 33% < 1348638336 372287 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: No. < 1348638341 310773 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice 5/4ing < 1348638390 366415 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm somewhat confused < 1348638393 90271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sometimes I do write music on paper < 1348638435 313497 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i see a score? < 1348638474 235512 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://johan.kiviniemi.name/music/delusions_of_grand_piano.pdf < 1348638477 454501 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :given 3 slices of bread, the maximum fillings space is to cover each piece separately in toppings/fillings < 1348638506 471858 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can stack them.. which.. gives you 2/3 as many fillings < 1348638511 502864 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, tswett foo bar < 1348638528 229563 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: just to clarify, both the recording and the score thing were for zzo38 :P but this works too < 1348638545 507573 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Yeah, i figured that, i felt like spamming anyway. :-P < 1348638548 375097 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not have a scanner and the scores are a bit messy anyways, but I put some music I made into computer, into .NSF file one is "zzo38_1.nsf" I wrote directly on the computer, but "zzo38_2.nsf" I wrote on paper first and then put into computer, but you can also download the MML file. < 1348638548 807305 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1348638551 568182 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can present them as 1.5 sandwiches, which gives you 1/2 as much filling as the first < 1348638551 816746 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: yes? < 1348638568 742935 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: got a band? < 1348638582 923973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some people who have a scanner so if I could find the paper of the music, I could scan it. < 1348638601 622866 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be nice < 1348638630 723036 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i'm really gonna go. < 1348638644 461497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But two musics I have written, one I wrote directly on MML, one on paper and then I put it in MML < 1348638718 110725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people say it is too difficult to compose music with MML, but other people don't believe them. < 1348638729 9222 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you don't believe them < 1348638752 317571 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I’m in one and i’ve had a bunch of projects with ad hoc groups out of my circle of friends over the years. Nothing serious with ambitions so far. < 1348638779 479695 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I am one of them; I think it can easily to compose music by MML, as easily as to normally compose music; at least to me this is easiest way for me. < 1348638819 985649 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that a talent with thinking music helps with esolangs < 1348638828 968621 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :some might say i was making excuses thouhg < 1348638891 851201 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, epdeet < 1348638901 123257 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. Thanks. < 1348638907 724085 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :music never sits still < 1348638951 185442 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Are you sure? Sometimes there is some silence and it must sit still < 1348638954 363904 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to my mind to be a bit like animation where it is dependant on playback speed < 1348638976 233828 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :John Cage – 4′33″ < 1348638997 139808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Yes in that case, there is all silence and it must sit still. < 1348639022 338962 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know is i like many music < 1348639033 163555 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have absolutely no idea why < 1348639067 824757 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some cases i attribute it to simply being exposed to the song again and again < 1348639093 810377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also like many musics, and some I don't like much, but I always like classical music. < 1348639095 470900 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't explain it right < 1348639108 801627 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i am exposed to some songs i dont like it < 1348639223 622257 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason my brain can’t stand the style of singing often used in classical music. The most painful aspect is the huge vibrato, i think. But i like classical otherwise. < 1348639269 956172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't always sing. Often it is instrumental only. < 1348639288 423045 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I’m listening to Rachmaninov’s piano pieces right now. < 1348639391 964799 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: piano < 1348639801 43840 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two Dogs Dining http://youtu.be/EVwlMVYqMu4 < 1348640421 206461 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348640798 973313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I am aware of the unsafe nature of the internet,I was compelled to use this medium due to the nature of this project.Permit me however I am a project coordinator with an oil & Gas consortium I have access to very vital information that can be used to transfer a huge amount of money from an Oil & Gas project account to a secured account ." < 1348640804 494716 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds legit, as always. < 1348640846 434590 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, they do not specify the particular "huge amount" in question. It's always so impolite; I can't now sort all my lucrative offers by the amount of profit promised. < 1348641216 751202 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have boring email spam.. 5 about diablo 3, 4 from fuckbook < 1348641306 696014 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does one update a branch (git) from a remote repository? < 1348641335 705085 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :git fetch < 1348641363 300176 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That updates the state of the remote repo. < 1348641372 885346 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can merge from or rebase against one of the remote branches. < 1348641379 309880 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :git pull does both fetch and merge. < 1348641395 407565 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what git fetch does < 1348641400 957977 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does not download newly added files. < 1348641410 329575 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and git pull merged it into master < 1348641413 70146 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't want that. < 1348641495 400848 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it merge in the currently checkedout branch. < 1348641524 956199 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1348641550 294463 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't it be better to rebase? < 1348641608 596187 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1348641625 672352 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm working on branch B, and somebody updates branch A, I can rebase my branch B to branch A < 1348641635 27791 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I have the commits from branch A also in my branch? < 1348641773 514243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"git pull" does merge into currently checked-out branch, to answer one question in the middle. < 1348641793 467238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and rebasing can easily be better. < 1348641882 209026 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :git fetch + get rebase should be enough I think. < 1348641967 500828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have very complicated git use experience, but at least "check out the remote-tracking branch, git pull, check out my local branch, rebase on the tracking" seems to have worked rather well, especially in the case where the local branch is meant to be merged back sooner or later. I suppose technically you shouldn't need the tracking branch. < 1348644035 932581 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"] < 1348646270 653871 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348646981 184911 :jix_!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1348647044 554863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348647271 267645 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1348647661 410995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1348649927 242177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348650906 257579 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1348650929 573000 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Quit: kill -INT 1 < 1348651132 209723 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1348651589 212546 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348652337 275768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348653785 361518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1348654019 733441 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1348654269 246077 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348654284 759157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348654493 105643 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1348655422 245183 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348655684 248561 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348655684 986689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1348655814 252390 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348655819 270045 :ais523__!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348656938 567280 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1348657265 950906 :ais523__!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1348657304 328287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1348657997 253226 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348658016 154809 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348658135 300667 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348658178 287198 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1348659130 798111 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348659158 208777 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348660986 278096 :SHUPFS!~hercules@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1348661506 218635 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348661517 829874 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1348661518 26726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1348661523 798946 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1348661523 995395 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 13h 2m 23s ago: Arguably (but certainly also counterarguably) the fact that the things are called stacks sort of mildly implies that the act of reading involves popping a value. (And the < 1348661524 192650 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat example only makes sense that way.) < 1348661543 991992 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348661560 968851 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348661611 615565 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yes everything that involves i only makes sense that way < 1348661711 350874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would've wanted to say that the Fibonacci example also would've made sense in that way only, but that would've involved understanding some Kipple code. < 1348661743 752309 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1348661752 814499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's possible it works with both interpretations for all I know.) < 1348661793 512728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the (t>@ (@>o) 32>o) is not going to terminate ever if > doesn't pop. < 1348662002 279973 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1348662019 965547 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking into the fibonacci code seems to imply that + does make a copy < 1348662030 351271 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming > doesn't) < 1348662075 18341 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if we look at stack a only, the program starts with "1>a tb+a" < 1348662093 206889 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, wait, I meant "1>a a+0 tb+a" < 1348662107 700739 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess a+0 is supposed to duplicate a's top element < 1348662154 563038 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, but then there are only two elements in a, so a cannot give one element to t, one element to b, and then again one element to be added to b's top element < 1348662165 8102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to say that, after cleverly avoiding it yesterday, I am now *still* going to have to understand some Kipple code. < 1348662225 308198 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the problem is, the description of the language is quite simple < 1348662238 941395 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there are examples, which look different and not as simple < 1348662272 507834 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance there is no mention of the "sharing operands" ability of kipple's operators, which is something pretty unusual in programming languages, I think < 1348662293 581011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unusual and I find it also very confuzzling. < 1348662306 754094 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a kipple code is supposed to be a sequence of numbers, stack identifiers, and operators < 1348662326 794472 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "-" description doesn't even mention that it has a left operand. < 1348662332 136533 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the interpreter must consider numbers and stack identifiers as no-ops, and apply operators to the left and right operands < 1348662348 597216 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I think it is reasonable to assume that "-" works exactly like "+" < 1348662467 904803 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though at this point I may be assuming too much to understand how it works precisely) < 1348662472 206676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's true that if + and - were to pop when the operand is a stack identifier, it sounds terribly difficult to e.g. dup anything. < 1348662478 995252 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what idea? < 1348662493 673668 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1348662518 322854 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong channel < 1348662526 588699 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no don't go! < 1348662572 90013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: The official spec, though, is pretty clear. < 1348662578 935879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Push operator takes the operand to the left and pushes it onto the specified stack. E.g. 12>a will push the value 12 onto stack a. a>b will pop the topmost value from stack a and push it onto stack b. Popping an empty stack always returns 0. aa." < 1348662585 221746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Add operator pushes the sum of the topmost item on the stack and the operand onto the stack. If the operand is a stack, then the value is popped from it. E.g. if the topmost value of stack a is 1, then a+2 will push 3 onto it. If a is empty, then a+2 will push 2 onto it. If the topmost values of stack a and b are 1 and 2, then a+b will pop the value 2 from stack b and push 3 onto stack a." < 1348662623 221234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the + seems to only pop from the right, so to speak. < 1348662643 873503 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1348662665 474583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Wiki summarization could do with some clarifications/improvements. < 1348662680 729972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since the official spec is only in the Archive. < 1348662761 182030 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, I think I'll add some clarifications < 1348662777 576183 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :popping an empty stack gives 0, that explains the fibonacci < 1348662890 816989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think for it to work, the streams in REVER have to be stacks rather than queues. < 1348663022 292649 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok, now the fibonacci programs seems to work properly, after a few iterations I get n: [24 23 22 21 20] t: [0 1 1 2 3] a: [3 5] b: [] c: [] < 1348663096 760927 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, apparently the numbers will be outputted in reverse order, though < 1348663135 355836 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"while t is not empty, t>@, (@>o) 32>o" < 1348663151 377908 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, or the stack o is reversed when the program halts < 1348663232 96956 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that would make sense - though I don't understand why prevent interactive io this way, he could just have said "when a value is pushed onto stack o, it is printed as a side effect" and "when popping from i while it is empty, it takes a char from standard input instead of giving 0" < 1348663852 36394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really understood the no-interactivity thing either. < 1348663860 905494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a personal idiosyncracy. < 1348664594 257679 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348664852 308912 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm wonder what a+a would do < 1348664864 811527 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, what operand is evaluated first < 1348664915 364122 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I mean if a = [1], does it set it to [1+1] or to [1+0] < 1348665078 357049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The program 1>a<2 a+a will result in a containing the values [1 4] and not [1 3]." < 1348665090 155782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the former, then. < 1348665550 169422 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what lang are you discusing < 1348665581 926913 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kipple < 1348665695 580672 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1348665702 957271 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348665737 233309 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just said that to make the interpreter more complicated :o < 1348666888 717680 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1348666972 570907 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348668051 74280 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348669605 696481 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok here is a language. it's called "You don't know Jack". the only valid program is the name of the true identity of jack the ripper, and the program prints "Hello, world!" < 1348669641 488110 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obviously Steven Malloy < 1348669650 423260 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's obviously Steven Malloy < 1348669652 92653 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is left to interpretation whether there is more than one valid program < 1348669660 310836 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... < 1348669673 459498 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And couldn't you find out the right string by reading the compiler source < 1348669679 988556 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or interpreter source < 1348669712 591385 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean... as anyone who has played a trivia bot knows, peoples names are never spelled how we expect them to be < 1348669722 574392 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there may be more than one correct string < 1348669733 206283 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still < 1348669737 376253 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1348669753 272142 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. first someone has to write a compiler/interpreter for that to happen < 1348670227 293791 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad joke since i haven't actually any non-joke esolangs to my name < 1348670340 906831 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in regards to how music is sometimes still, animation is the same way. in some cases it's too easy to accuse animators of reducing cost when they have no moving images in a scene < 1348670510 781590 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we're not reducing costs, we're doing it manga-style!" < 1348670653 971999 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what im talking about :D < 1348670657 291323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Police arrested a Cambridge man with 4 lbs. of marijuana and $5,400 in cash after stopping him for “excessive window tint.”' < 1348670678 545365 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i don't :( < 1348670785 504546 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: thank god. we need to get those people off the road. < 1348670800 313494 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1348670825 813135 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my random outbursts are unsolicited yet... in grand theft auto you never found anything in the car < 1348670834 64128 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like dead bodies in the trunk < 1348670836 145986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of being a drug dealer if you can't have a ridiculous car that screams "i'm a drug dealer" < 1348670839 319950 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or money or drugs < 1348670844 415000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not true itidus21 < 1348670848 736642 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: getting arrested, as always < 1348670848 969855 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: cool < 1348670861 428293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was at least one mission where you have to pick up a car with a body in the trunk < 1348670865 623713 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get it to the car crusher < 1348670868 110966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pulp fiction style < 1348670884 458986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and people (cops? rival gang? whatever) would be ramming your car, causing damage < 1348670897 394698 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it got enough damage the trunk would pop open and you would see the dead guy inside on the 3rd person camera < 1348670970 808018 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i'll accept that argument < 1348671050 68439 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-apisyymxityrbyab QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348672005 726597 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, wait, if they were ramming into you all the way wouldn't they just take the body out of the car after you left it? < 1348672044 276713 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvbvtjpblslttltm JOIN :#esoteric < 1348672143 674038 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: you leave it in a car crusher. they will leave it if they want to live. < 1348672175 251180 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah man, once a car crusher starts there is no force of man nor god that can stop its descent < 1348672215 613691 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in video game land < 1348672326 698482 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the car crusher is actually made out of repurposed doors from half-life < 1348672498 852668 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1348672994 757628 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!dlroW olleFatal error: exception Invalid_argument("index out of bounds") < 1348673025 800532 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for whatever reason the 'H' disappeared < 1348673176 779602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to get away from the people who are following you < 1348673179 948509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1348673216 892066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a game where if you have a dozen cops chasing you, you can drive into a garage and have them repaint the car < 1348673226 568886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the cops waiting outside will just leave < 1348673236 193638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh, damn guys, the car we were chasing was red, this one is blue" < 1348673273 796019 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a pretty silly mechanic really < 1348673298 552337 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in gta4 they got rid of this and introduced a new system < 1348673339 664282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now there is a radius on the map of where the cops are looking for you, and you have to stay outside that area for some amount of time < 1348673420 792437 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tinted windows on a red car? what a lack of taste! < 1348673602 568613 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once read up on it < 1348673607 904858 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :gta wasn't always like that < 1348673629 875128 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there was a bug once which caused the cops to go crazy pursuing you < 1348673663 527034 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would love for that to happen at least once in my life < 1348673677 817341 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lucky accident which makes me rich or famous < 1348673818 218168 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were those tourists in NYC who got into an unlicensed taxi at the airport < 1348673834 558248 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cops went after the taxi and a high-speed chase ensued < 1348673859 748856 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :long story short, the tourists got to manhattan for free and in record time < 1348674187 311600 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my kipple interpreter works! < 1348674200 825555 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't respect the specs at all, though < 1348674211 600469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Such disrespect. < 1348674248 785182 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i and o are interactive, and stack identifiers can be any string, not just one character < 1348674273 82989 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the string must consist of a-z, A-Z and @ only, though) < 1348674306 633044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking you could've made the IO stack a single thing, with output pushery and input poppery. < 1348674314 980583 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I thought too < 1348674325 480482 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I thought maybe it was better to make them actual stacks < 1348674351 71347 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :input only happens when try to pop i while it's empty; pushing o prints the character *and* pushes it < 1348674411 885205 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and I didn't want to brave the specs as much as merging the two stacks) < 1348674463 944763 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though if I do I guess I should improve @ as well to ease number input < 1348676368 739847 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1348677022 63174 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348678416 826949 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348678462 934580 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348678641 10308 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348680623 929508 :SHUPFS!~hercules@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348681032 196887 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1348682332 321338 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: keeping i and o as actual stacks allows me to do stuff like that: " i>a+0 a>o a-48 a? a>b (a>o>a) " < 1348682354 759974 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the (a>o>a) is an infinite loop of printing a's top element < 1348682365 545359 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348682387 20763 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("give a to output, then take it back to give it again next iteration") < 1348682394 10524 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348682508 953118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it would certainly be a shame to have to write (a+0 a>o) or something. < 1348682548 484479 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok if you put it like that < 1348682566 188745 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's that language based on input and output which name I have forgiven < 1348682587 954029 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it would be way more easy to implement it with i and o being actual stacks < 1348682843 865787 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348683886 930237 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Buddhist Iron Man Found By Nazis Is From Space" < 1348683894 377026 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348683897 557233 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise the Daily Sport was still about < 1348684116 255463 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1348684614 455064 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348684867 982740 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348685745 38630 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348688914 306425 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348689196 90165 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348689254 765194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348689356 383799 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1348689979 744695 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems opera has made opera mini for android usable again < 1348690051 952073 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it no longer crashes regulary and it doesn't seem to leak memory < 1348690058 865119 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1348690089 898175 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: nice < 1348690108 73663 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :about time. < 1348690115 852769 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it bad that I am surprided about browsee not leaking memory < 1348690126 158543 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*surprised < 1348690129 444972 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's bad :) < 1348690156 465977 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well except links2 < 1348690190 23053 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be horrible rendering wise but it is solid as rock and just works < 1348690220 475794 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well after you tweak it for a week but still < 1348690266 211347 :SHUPFS!~hercules@S0106001111de1fc8.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1348690843 822882 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348691144 959541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://hpaste.org/75174 < 1348691249 918438 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348691756 674129 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the builtin webkit browser in Android is good < 1348691769 77204 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again most webkit browsers are < 1348691926 309938 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-215-85-41.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1348691995 548463 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Safari isn't very good < 1348692021 505713 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my friends recently switched from Safari to Internet Explorer and was amazed at the speed < 1348692032 625488 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1348692033 395123 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1348692042 653170 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's gonna slowly traverse through to Chrome so he doesn't shock himself. < 1348693038 251209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are born on Feb.29 (a.k.a. St. Tib's Day), then officially the rule is your birthday is on Mar.1 if it is not a leap year. However, there is another solution which does not involve the calendar: Regardless of your date of birth, celebrate when the ecliptic longitude of the sun equals what it was at the time of your birth. < 1348693054 22395 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1348693107 831878 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1348693141 611233 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a very you thing to say < 1348693146 717870 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing it was you who said it < 1348693325 283666 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an official rule for birthdays? isn't the whole birthday thing just a convention anyway, and you can really celebrate it whenever you want < 1348693327 815667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that would probably mean some people occasionally have to celebrate on a different calendar day than they were born, even if not on Feb. 29... < 1348693377 608924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like people don't move celebrations to more convenient times < 1348693382 981816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I know, it is the non-calendar way. Of course you may not like it and you can use whatever you prefer I don't care. < 1348693407 771852 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just made one possibility, as well as mentioning the official way. But there are other ways too. < 1348693439 336616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :official in canada, and possibly elsewhere. < 1348693470 107638 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna celebrate my birthday on bonfire night < 1348693563 206933 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348693582 59018 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is) < 1348693595 450765 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when the bonfire is in celebration of Guy Fawkes or whatever) < 1348693602 582484 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, his capture) < 1348693614 11175 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so, the closest Saturday to November 5th) < 1348693619 654993 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in Hexham at least) < 1348693632 197492 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(WHICH COINCIDES WITH MY EIGHTEENTH BIRTHDAY) < 1348693705 717391 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :() < 1348693753 411673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't get so drunk you fall into the bonfire. < 1348693764 987226 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNLIKELY < 1348693770 134684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1348693880 663189 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1348693966 741721 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1348694610 239870 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a channel in a different server, there's 6 of us pretending to be the same person < 1348694616 791976 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one of us is actually that person) < 1348694785 385348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Taneb and ngevd in on this? < 1348694789 931899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*are < 1348694794 721148 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1348694796 901348 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're asleep < 1348694799 901232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1348694820 561284 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're trying to figure out who the first impostorr was < 1348694830 143347 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By making there more impostors < 1348694835 220897 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hasn't worked < 1348694863 875974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :impost hoc, erco impropter hoc < 1348694902 726779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1348695032 957139 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight! < 1348695040 367732 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348695354 430412 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1348695885 883728 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348697766 588903 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348697971 676509 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1348698162 678453 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that "Hm okay."! you're supposed to either say "yes it's obvious" or "Hm it's likely but let's prove it" or "If you think so then prove it!" or something < 1348698163 124398 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Goodnight! < 1348698503 59520 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :Nisstyre_ < 1348698519 886825 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :Nisstyre < 1348699447 767820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't fully aware of the concept of a moore machine. i had somehow internalized that transducers could have multiple output per input. < 1348699460 621119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but those cannot. < 1348699654 785865 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1348699661 676359 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1348699739 968119 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348700135 246851 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey do we have a fancy binary-to-decimal converter on lambdabot? < 1348700159 26449 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> dec 01000001100000011 < 1348700160 25628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `dec' < 1348700170 21766 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0b01000001100000011 < 1348700170 986961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `b01000001100000011' < 1348700223 836630 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> eval 0b01000001100000011 < 1348700224 783736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `eval'Not in scope: `b01000001100000011' < 1348700260 952287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showInt 2 (const True) digitToInt "01000001100000011" < 1348700261 893822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Base.String' < 1348700262 86905 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred typ... < 1348700266 271696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showInt 2 (const True) digitToInt "01000001100000011" "" < 1348700267 214945 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Base.String' < 1348700267 408709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred typ... < 1348700269 934011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1348700272 388118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t showInt < 1348700273 362440 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Integral a) => a -> String -> String < 1348700278 195612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1348700285 28246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 2 (const True) digitToInt "01000001100000011" "" < 1348700285 970383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Char' < 1348700286 163634 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type... < 1348700289 199665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what < 1348700293 403238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t showIntAtBase < 1348700294 342610 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Integral a) => a -> (Int -> Char) -> a -> String -> String < 1348700303 66116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait duh < 1348700316 803359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> readInt 2 (const True) digitToInt "01000001100000011" < 1348700317 779733 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(33539,"")] < 1348700357 530547 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, it's so clear and intuitive, too. < 1348700376 961847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's flexible. < 1348700403 117574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it doesn't support non-Strings < 1348700518 987033 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> readInt 2 (const True) digitToInt "01010011000101011" < 1348700519 993371 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(42539,"")] < 1348700523 166684 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeay < 1348700540 639719 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> readInt 2 (const False) digitToInt "01010011000101011" < 1348700541 589747 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] < 1348700561 842385 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's 16-bit, I'm sure I can find that in Pi < 1348700568 541280 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type readInt < 1348700569 592704 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Num a) => a -> (Char -> Bool) -> (Char -> Int) -> String -> [(a, String)] < 1348700572 538691 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be the first Another Pi Language program! < 1348700609 396918 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell of a type is that... I think ocaml's read_int has type unit < 1348700617 119280 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, unit -> int < 1348700684 607288 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, your readInt doesn't even return an int?? < 1348700782 820139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type readInt 2 (const False) digitToInt < 1348700783 802823 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall t. (Num t) => String -> [(t, String)] < 1348700797 206725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that better/simpler? < 1348700829 254939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if you want, < 1348700831 530360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type readInt (2 :: Integer) (const False) digitToInt < 1348700832 539188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :String -> [(Integer, String)] < 1348700999 180047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it returns [] if it doesn't parse and [(n, restOfString)] if it parses. (theoretically it could return multiple element if there was an ambiguous parse) < 1348701012 259434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the API for the Read typeclass < 1348701024 826152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1348701135 26494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> readInt 2 (const True) digitToInt "010abc" < 1348701135 964388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(90,"")] < 1348701144 22950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1348701156 540404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> readInt 2 (`elem` "01") digitToInt "010abc" < 1348701157 553000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(2,"abc")] < 1348701241 695326 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348701401 588570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!perl print oct("0b01010011000101011") # then there's this < 1348701401 901835 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348701402 97971 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :42539 < 1348701810 684683 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348702010 431709 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348702256 950537 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348702372 452720 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348702399 726700 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348703022 937747 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:98e0:5c32:3aa6:7f5a QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348704477 332802 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81e92a.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348704910 631902 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348705288 544983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I kinda want to write a GCC plugin! < 1348705291 743656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know what it would do < 1348705369 929934 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote head < 1348705370 127570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : says: head [] = peek . intPtrToPtr . fromIntegral . unsafePerformIO . randomRIO $ (0, 2^32) < 1348705429 405898 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-132-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks < 1348705439 596062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks unsafe < 1348705463 368850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does this program to do? Receive random data from memory and then crash? < 1348705465 858100 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-132-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :void*head(list*x){return *(void**)rand();} eh? < 1348705482 341092 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it would if there was an extra unsafePerformIO at the front < 1348705577 496931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night, knock on wood < 1348705608 820572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It might not crash! < 1348705638 292521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What sort of interface do GCC plugins use? < 1348705642 181438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad < 1348705647 517093 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gcc plugin one < 1348705649 415077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1348705654 283672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://forums.grsecurity.net/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=3043 < 1348705658 280539 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I suppose it might not crash, but it seems likely to crash as far as I can understand. < 1348705700 460110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :void f() { read(open("/dev/urandom", O_RDONLY), f, 4096); } < 1348705712 886847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently GHC supports plugins as of 7.2? < 1348705720 125097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should write a GHC plugin instead! < 1348705757 698839 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's boring and useful < 1348705771 378103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubtful < 1348705967 450692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why is there a generic memcpy() rather than copy_user_to_kernel, copy_kernel_to_kernel, and so on? < 1348705987 270745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd think that you'd know which one you're doing most of the time, and you could have optional checks for it. < 1348706050 349002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think memcpy() is effectively copy_kernel_to_kernel < 1348706053 2419 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a familiar name < 1348706087 53531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copying userspace to userspace with memcpy would generally not be safe < 1348706134 483132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, and I guess PaX provided that optional check. < 1348706147 646454 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when copying from/to userspace, the kernel must explicitly check that the entire range lies within the userspace area of memory (e.g. under 0xC0000000 on i386), but the more fine-grained checking of "is every page mapped" is still up to the MMU < 1348706183 346952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that page faults within copy_{from,to}_user must be handled differently from other faults in kernel mode, which would oops the kernel < 1348706266 72644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux has a general mechanism for annotating any instruction in the kernel with "if a fault happens here, jump here instead of oopsing" < 1348706413 697461 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy_{from,to}_user use this, and return the number of bytes that were not copied < 1348706429 351568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and system call implementations will do something like if (copy_from_user(foo, bar, n)) return -EFAULT; < 1348706490 74284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess the three cases that are relevant are covered by copy_from_user(), copy_to_user(), memcpy(). < 1348706553 248893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you might legitimately want to copy from userspace to userspace < 1348706563 497335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that the code for doing so needs some additional checks that the kernel memcpy does not need < 1348706591 608843 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs the bounds checks, and then it needs those "fixup" annotations in case of unmapped pages < 1348706601 180210 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right -- I mean that those three cases are covered explicitly. < 1348706659 352387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet the fourth is implemented in the library as well < 1348706704 864416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v3.5.4/arch/x86/lib/usercopy_64.c#L55 < 1348706787 873922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are shortcuts for a single scalar -- put_user, get_user, etc. < 1348706810 885247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and strncpy_from_user! < 1348706863 637250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://blogs.oracle.com/ksplice/entry/anatomy_of_an_exploit_cve mentions the problem with interfaces that look like familiar things from userspace but have extra side conditions < 1348706899 677125 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, tswett potato < 1348706919 957380 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, i-CAN-haz-MODHARDEN.c (an exploit for CVE-2010-2959) uses a faulting copy_from_user in an interesting way < 1348706935 59222 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this about potatos < 1348706945 253011 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, you potato too < 1348706969 112713 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope this is not a racist joke at my irish heritage Sgeo < 1348707000 264241 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Homestuck IRC channel I'm in at one point said "potato" for updates. I forget why. < 1348707012 300141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, it sends a packet from a partially unmapped buffer, in order to make some kernel code return after overflowing a kernel heap buffer but before zeroing that buffer < 1348707014 777218 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you like it if i said... jew food? < 1348707089 138616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That Ksplice Post Importer fellow sure wrote a lot of posts! < 1348707093 496150 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1348707165 989054 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: village. < 1348707188 807551 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some more accepted term for "potato" than "potato" that I'm not aware of? Maybe "potatoe" < 1348707274 836968 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott 17:53:08 Is there some more accepted term for "potato" than "potato" that I'm not aware of? Maybe "potatoe" < 1348707275 69311 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1348707278 364902 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he knows < 1348707328 490030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :poтaтo < 1348707468 111929 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boil 'em, mash 'em, stick 'em in a stew < 1348708026 961115 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an irishman i can say conclusively that the correct term is 'awful yellow thing that should just be burnt before it can inflict more suffering' < 1348708353 868161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ritaljhhk7s < 1348709218 571058 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-132-98.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an American, "Potato... Is that a kind of corn?" < 1348709982 313779 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1348710016 939554 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348710992 460723 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348712210 254779 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348712254 564603 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard challenge of the moment: try to come up with a 32 bit version of the 6502 that isn't grossly inefficient (without using out of order execution) < 1348712330 313373 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really hard :D < 1348712441 788003 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@esc98.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1348712490 79792 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really has too few registers < 1348712644 452036 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't put in instruction latencies anywhere < 1348712719 433243 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing has alignment requirements < 1348714201 501692 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348714941 592400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote newsham excitement < 1348714941 789148 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newsham says: It's harder to get the same excitement you got from learning something new. Remember when recursion could blow your mind? Now you gotta use delimited continuations. < 1348715032 438380 :madbr!boulam@24.157.253.190 QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1348715210 692087 :JaBoJa!~kvirc@esc98.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl QUIT :Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/ < 1348715479 118020 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some sort of proof about being able to fake any monad with continuations? < 1348715773 956141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is exactly true; it is only partially. There is Cont monad, but you can also make many of monads using Codensity, and Cont really is a kind of Codensity as (Cont x) is like (Codensity (Const x)). < 1348715980 800040 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what Codensity is < 1348716056 119161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Codensity f x = Codensity (forall z. (x -> f z) -> f z); < 1348716140 37338 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348716248 875706 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348716364 107908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish there was a transform on executables such that, when the new executable tries to allocate memory and there isn't enough, it pops up a dialog saying that. If the user then closes other things then clicks ok on the dialog, the program resumes < 1348717415 622867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The instances for Codensity are the same as for Cont. < 1348717972 664839 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, monqy potatoe < 1348718124 248132 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Homestuck could do me a favor and stop updating for a while... < 1348718525 870772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote kmc: < 1348718526 66135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: says: "monads are like containers, as long as you forget everything you know about containers, and treat it as a synonym for 'monad'" < 1348718530 928235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote kmc> < 1348718531 123152 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc> says: laziness unifies control flow and data flow the way that relativity unifies time and space < 1348718536 404156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote kmc_ < 1348718536 599120 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc_ says: $ ($) <$> < 1348718546 375338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get your nicks straight, @rememberers! < 1348718556 669941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote kmc: < 1348718556 863822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: says: (): worst monoid ever < 1348718558 664061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote kmc_ < 1348718558 856835 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc_ says: agda is super mutant haskell < 1348718585 464021 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure that laziness is not intended for imperative control flow < 1348718673 806115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = say "hi" >> main < 1348718876 673335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true < 1348718879 408749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :about monads and containers < 1348719516 895922 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combine a highly flammable element with the stuff that lets flames flame and you get a substance that can put out fires. < 1348719526 853568 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is amused by this for some reasons. < 1348722589 165203 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t $ ($) <$> < 1348722590 131897 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `$' < 1348722593 24365 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah < 1348722651 723998 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote kmc__ < 1348722651 921510 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. It can only be attributed to human error. < 1348722863 264688 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1348722929 330066 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: hey < 1348722936 372592 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want to read some draft legislation? < 1348722957 36019 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably get to sleep. < 1348722975 302205 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1348723090 876597 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348723738 956092 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a site ceases to exist, and because of that, Internet Archive notices that there's no robot.txt and suddenly allows everyone access to all the stuff that was on the site, is it acceptable to use that? < 1348723976 998305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't use the historical robots.txt? < 1348724009 994948 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1348724043 899123 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there wasn't a coherent robots.txt < 1348724044 778924 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. < 1348724051 414646 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://web.archive.org/web/20110713042823/http://www.cybertown.com/robots.txt < 1348724876 239676 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii QUIT :Quit: kwertii < 1348727643 125721 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone playing magic the gathering? < 1348727657 909912 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348727889 412430 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au NICK :itidus21 < 1348728342 552291 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes play Magic: the Gathering cards < 1348729368 810576 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348729396 182034 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348730188 880431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348731183 907362 :kinoSi0!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348731371 762101 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348732276 299562 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1348733084 469033 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find it is tempting to think of anything with the same number of states as being identical. such as thinking heads and tails are exactly the same thing as 0 and 1 and exactly the same thing as black and white, but surely it cannot be so < 1348733173 213305 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-132-98.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348733222 529291 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arpdoot < 1348733249 347636 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, don't know if I should ping < 1348733475 118563 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-143-156.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348733749 649584 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1348733750 844232 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348733778 313546 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1348734057 405303 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348734158 26843 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-0-183.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1348734232 641911 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1348735598 565200 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1348735770 448887 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-174-33.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1348740294 276275 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1348740866 211692 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348741393 955380 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348741470 278384 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348741779 915058 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1348742024 152908 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348743206 432909 :ion_!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348743301 913184 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348743302 608484 :ion_!ion@heh.fi NICK :ion < 1348743481 300832 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-0-183.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1348745398 209722 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348745621 741296 :kinoSi0!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348745648 920661 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348746156 481813 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348746619 740577 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.52.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348746793 825334 :davidwerecat!~david_wer@205.211.52.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348746954 709372 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.52.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348747155 758990 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1348748209 786172 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaay steam for linux beta in october < 1348748235 62333 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it's only supported on ubuntu but it's a start < 1348748488 274962 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:35 < Lumpio-> I think the builtin webkit browser in Android is good // it is complete shit on htc wildfire (2.2) < 1348748558 460059 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1348748632 616740 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348748652 836390 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1348748757 436655 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1348749109 874581 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: 2.2 is also two and a half years old < 1348749131 56018 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consumer hardware usually falls behind enough to become sluggish in that time. < 1348749178 992712 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardware runs slower as time goes by? < 1348749186 382152 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... explains a lot < 1348749338 407731 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1348749483 47323 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: no. software just gets even more horribly bloated < 1348749505 554204 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's what the sloppy hardware manufacturers WANT YOU TO THINK. < 1348749537 459955 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1348749546 716613 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well why does it still run old software fast? < 1348749550 981401 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The circuit paths get clogged up over the years by stray electrons, quantum wells dry up < 1348749570 230603 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old software has been broken in. < 1348749596 426549 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1348749669 951272 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348749689 419017 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1348749771 428116 :Slereah_!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1348750251 53257 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348750267 527442 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1348750725 543134 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348752416 256397 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348752587 211792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348753620 835817 :davidwerecat!~david_wer@205.211.52.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348753667 717243 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.52.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348753688 622733 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348753756 247122 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1348753812 127795 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348754177 314386 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1348754384 919 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348754477 707801 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348754489 29044 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348754854 83923 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348754996 535072 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1348755183 534614 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348756829 258909 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348757460 736742 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1348757522 390200 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348758424 925414 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348758524 838800 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1348758599 552268 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I finally stopped reading Misfile today < 1348758655 287205 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1348759168 970630 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348759562 333189 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348759594 731988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: You were so offended by the concept of christmas presents, right? < 1348759631 917482 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348759650 127272 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348759881 789814 :davidwerecat!~david_wer@205.211.52.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348760034 716030 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.52.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348760254 2506 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133FBD.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348761006 593394 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: nah, my RSS doodad will take care of it. < 1348761008 690607 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks anyway. < 1348761456 663838 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348761946 643213 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348762608 485034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There seems to be 189 participants in the "Campus 2015" competition, where the objective is to "find new concepts and create a lively and interactive environment for research and learning activities wherein work, studies, leisure, and living are interwoven in a natural way and create the foundation for a university city of the future", or in practice plan 50000 m^2 of floor space for the ... < 1348762614 971076 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... School of Arts, Design and Architecture who would presumably be moving in from their current place. < 1348762652 841435 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I play mtg < 1348762680 252304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Aalto University is a combination of three universities; one of technology, one of business, and one of arts. They all currently more or less live in their old campusises.) < 1348762719 405224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the submissions have been submitted under a pseudonym. Now, I haven't seen the entries, but purely based on the names, I hope "Purple Chicken" wins. < 1348762785 291055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose a campus designed by THE HUG could possibly be very friendly too. < 1348763154 486534 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1348763266 89262 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think no matter what you do, an individual must undergo suffering < 1348763315 692134 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate making general claims. i always need to take them back. < 1348763454 146299 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm attracted to the grandeur of the general claim < 1348763636 859225 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348763989 192018 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348764179 583868 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348764301 181914 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B133FBD.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1348764344 967421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1348764361 702651 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hehe, I've been meaning to stop reading it for a while, never actually bothered < 1348765212 59910 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Realised I wasn't enjoying reading it at all a couple of weeks ago < 1348765258 757906 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think when you realise that reading something is a chore, it's a signal to stop reading < 1348765268 948182 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you need to read it, for homework or something < 1348765401 526773 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1348766592 737003 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-91.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1348766596 107325 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-91.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1348766642 498198 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348767287 628409 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my sister is in the weirdest school play ever < 1348767305 358460 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from what she showed me of the script it's a depressing ripped-from-the-headlines slice of life drama < 1348767337 882806 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then there's one scene where some obnoxious child is pestering her mother and then i swear to god, slenderman comes out of the fucking cupboard and drags her in < 1348767411 464426 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read quite a long way ahead and it appears that this is never explained nor adequately developed upon < 1348768411 456410 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...huh < 1348768803 670766 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know of slice of life as an anime genre, slenderman is an fps-like game < 1348768871 867550 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh iti is there anything you can't be wrong about < 1348768893 863324 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1348768949 282727 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up slice of life at tvtropes < 1348769085 804963 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah i quite like this trope < 1348769634 762161 :davidwerecat!~david_wer@205.211.52.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348769710 233355 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.52.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348770336 900390 :davidwerecat!~david_wer@205.211.52.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348770514 262503 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.52.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1348770617 554348 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348770873 110203 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sounds very Slice of Life, yes. < 1348770887 533468 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: One of those average days… slenderman comes out and eats your child… very normal. < 1348770924 915065 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's in many ways a kinder alternative to putting them into care < 1348771002 980153 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the boogieman - protecting children from a broken childcare system since 1862 < 1348771045 14123 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case, more protecting the childcare system from annoying little shits < 1348771049 548234 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know Slenderman as a nickname for a character in a slice of life drama about an insane guy with a friend who turns out to be insane too < 1348771114 676505 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got bored after the second season < 1348771132 495832 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gripping stuff < 1348771281 460098 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He thought his camera was cursed or something < 1348771298 286180 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean marble hornets right < 1348771302 460791 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348771320 86104 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he had a strange compulsion to film himself at all time < 1348771321 156138 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1348771321 817232 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1348771328 605143 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348771332 715347 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net NICK :atriq < 1348771337 187836 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1348771344 996470 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :slenderman got atriq < 1348771353 658153 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and turned him into taneb < 1348771480 679198 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1348771483 31825 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not again! < 1348771509 979586 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-21-91.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348772841 537557 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348773533 396008 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348773559 229422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348773801 942070 :davidwerecat!~david_wer@205.211.52.170 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348773815 593373 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348773986 538369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : as an irishman i can say conclusively that the correct term is 'awful yellow thing that should just be burnt before it can inflict more suffering' <-- i guess that explains those famines < 1348774080 871512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is there some sort of proof about being able to fake any monad with continuations? < 1348774089 46920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :delimited ones, yes < 1348774104 780950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is this yellow thing the sun? < 1348774126 429142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i thought it was a potato < 1348774131 46248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1348774137 516776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see the context. < 1348774143 209962 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348774171 184911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, you probably wouldn't speak of burning a sun. Or. Hm. < 1348774239 446710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348774279 341561 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, a sun that isn't burning isn't much of a sun. < 1348774303 8729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was filinski not felleisen < 1348774304 916444 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1348774312 37645 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's not much of a burning, it's more of a fusing < 1348774331 474070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary;jsessionid=C7DD144AB578DC0ADF2245B7EC33F65F?doi=10.1.1.43.8213 < 1348774848 178986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie: i think no matter what you do, an individual must undergo suffering <-- i am trying hard not to believe that, but so far my evidence is sadly inadequate. < 1348774887 981484 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suffering is relative < 1348774895 816631 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: its a very broad statement < 1348774905 22687 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not nearly specific enough < 1348774906 213267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: i'm trying hard not to believe that, too :P < 1348774949 920259 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :after further reflection, i think the thing of it is, must undergo challenges < 1348774965 269234 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and challenges can be percieved as suffering < 1348774976 413186 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^perceived maybe < 1348774977 185176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this sort of meditation exercise which can make me convinced everything is ok with the world. and then collapses horribly. < 1348774984 576103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that you've copy-pasted it, I wonder if I'm supposed to read the "you" as referring to me, but the "individual" as to something < 1348774991 389753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone else, I mean. < 1348775014 144376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that no matter what I do someone else just keeps suffering as a direct result. < 1348775027 727619 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah thats definitely not the case < 1348775033 893011 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why i had to back up < 1348775040 758037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :horribly enough that it's months between every time i try it. < 1348775052 214732 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got in a bitter argument about someone once who tried to claim that < 1348775084 72057 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i think you and individual as synonyms though < 1348775734 752521 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, people who have lived a life of luxury will suffer in situations where those who have lived a life of poverty would be enthralled < 1348775744 299306 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance < 1348775773 903326 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my stumbling over words doesn't help < 1348775937 16040 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: sometimes i wonder, does the quality of past experiences matter in the present < 1348775989 697901 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god are you idiots philosophising < 1348775990 322744 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1348776001 22150 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i wonder.. < 1348776017 656781 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the present constructed based on the past < 1348776041 668311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: well ok _that_ way of avoiding suffering is relative, and temporary. (after a while, the mind readjusts to the new conditions.) < 1348776135 45920 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic idea is that you can't solve the problems of being human < 1348776144 305412 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a human will have problems in their life < 1348776150 328812 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess thats the better way to say it < 1348776157 379991 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problems can be solved one by one < 1348776161 797032 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they can't all be solved at once < 1348776181 459036 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not by .. uhhh < 1348776194 354336 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a committee < 1348776195 774323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: that's a common idea, yes. doesn't mean it's right. < 1348776225 474580 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a person needs to be able to own their problems < 1348776245 385377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just means that it's how most people rationalize not having been able to find a real solution. < 1348776274 142436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :buddha of course claimed he had one. < 1348776294 571491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like that one too much though. < 1348776351 529873 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok and.. < 1348776357 199146 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1348776365 412432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and about 5 years ago, i thought i had found one. (see above meditation comment.) < 1348776370 897482 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :others can solve our problems.. but... theres no magical efficiency < 1348776385 119054 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it comes to trying to optimize solutions it gets absurd < 1348776521 58481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably should start /ignoring itidus < 1348776543 871487 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if im making myself anxious.. maybe you also < 1348776557 390531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :watching your depression feeds mine < 1348776572 295986 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok humm < 1348776583 89723 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm... < 1348776589 304167 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i have a real topic < 1348776591 172462 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably insane to some degree < 1348776601 974114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You all are very productive at causing Phantom_Hoovers to flee, there's always that. < 1348776608 804439 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do events work? < 1348776610 398620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yay! < 1348776615 417577 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :via a message loop? < 1348776617 11937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it could be used to generate energy or something? < 1348776622 721836 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should find one of those people who you give a lot of money and they say that you're only insane if it's what you really want to be < 1348776640 23860 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a low level, events work via interrupts right? < 1348776731 630583 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^well hardware events < 1348776759 805160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: well on common architectures, afaik < 1348776777 44325 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so what am i trying to ask.. need to think < 1348776802 243936 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the question is of how to not-poll < 1348776831 529872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Via interrupts! < 1348776834 881916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :events work in all kinds of ways < 1348776856 753912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Events work in mysterious ways. < 1348776899 143866 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a hypothetical < 1348777013 11666 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i had , while(a==5) { b++;c++;d++;e++;f++;g++; } .. except i wanted the loop to stop at the very moment where the condition no longer held < 1348777038 127311 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bad example perhaps but maybe it has multiple threads or something < 1348777061 850483 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if its c++ then the ++ operator is possibly overloaded to change a < 1348777068 788593 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:-) < 1348777199 146791 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe thats just not possible without doing a conditional after every step < 1348777244 48926 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't, and shouldn't, be possible, since the correctness of the program depends heavily on what your definition of a step is. < 1348777312 398268 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the impossible things sometimes look so nice since they would make things work more efficiently < 1348777312 707463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As an unrelated thing: Can you do Number a, b, c; c = a**b; resulting in c being a to the b'th power, in C++, by an overloaded Number::operator*() returning a NumberExp_ wrapper, and an overloaded Number operator*(Number a, NumberExp_ b) doing exponentiation? (If so, should you?) < 1348777369 644934 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh iti is there anything you can't be wrong about no < 1348777383 15320 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i rest my case < 1348777442 447395 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You probably could, and doing so is punishable by death. < 1348777460 840646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that would not have the usual precedence wrt normal multiplication, would it < 1348777478 840421 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks gregor. i guess the solution then is to use subroutines < 1348777523 240705 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or #define BREAKPOINT if(a!=5)break and then sprinkle BREAKPOINT over your code. < 1348777589 648936 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im thinking about a language which would have such a loop < 1348777600 241385 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got really riled by something < 1348777604 152428 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, seriously annoyed < 1348777609 320831 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think I got angry < 1348777611 992879 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now I am sad < 1348777633 811325 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348777639 249463 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to remember that last thing atriq got riled by. < 1348777649 427821 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you managed to rile atriq < 1348777651 640508 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gj < 1348777654 613369 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not itidus21 < 1348777656 111981 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :people assuming that theres only one kind of < 1348777659 279387 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different people < 1348777659 972060 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :something < 1348777683 529930 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey atriq < 1348777688 229550 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes? < 1348777694 925440 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know dmm once said buffy wasn't very good < 1348777701 921664 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1348777707 476345 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have never watched Buffy < 1348777726 925182 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, the last thing that made me really angry was DMM's opinion on Monopoly < 1348777742 241353 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1348777748 457725 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow < 1348777752 707599 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was that < 1348777755 625501 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you told us how you wept at hearing your beloved monopoly savaged so < 1348777761 869523 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i can say is it's best not to play monopoly online < 1348777769 553318 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were a joss whedon person < 1348777784 651002 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a Firefly and Avengers person < 1348777823 733942 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love firefly fans < 1348777831 203108 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This does not equate to being a Joss Whedon person < 1348777831 398284 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all so delightfully bitter < 1348777847 367776 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not that bothered < 1348777877 752148 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, hello there < 1348777885 344642 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not you, the other FireFly < 1348777894 87574 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one with Nathan Fillion in it < 1348777896 241798 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did being cancelled make you feel, FireFly < 1348777902 100480 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have Nathan Fillion in you? < 1348777909 821033 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not < 1348777939 617541 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wants to though < 1348777963 587805 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway < 1348777987 980019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats fizzie -----### < 1348777992 678208 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My anger has transformed into sads < 1348777993 375177 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Poor fizzie :( < 1348777994 626918 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1348777999 64884 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i found it < 1348778002 99051 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric : That I'm annoyed that people assume there's only one kind of sign language < 1348778004 999807 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you angry atriq < 1348778011 35196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd swat FireFly but my tab completion is acting up < 1348778013 122869 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was mild annoyance, itidus21 < 1348778018 264116 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is worse? < 1348778028 128491 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's positively miffed < 1348778035 816191 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, one of my friends plagiarised Homestuck really awfully < 1348778049 27082 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a "-stuck" fan adventure to begin with < 1348778062 224401 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would one of your friends be in a position to plagiarise homest-- how can you plagiarise homestuck in one of those < 1348778067 255968 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't just mean how is it possible < 1348778071 51881 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a character's description was lifted phrase by phrase from Dave < 1348778071 607649 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you be dumb enough to do it < 1348778080 639686 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that was deliberate < 1348778083 295674 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I got annoyed < 1348778088 910572 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he got annoyed that I got annoyed < 1348778089 106691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm now it's completely correctly < 1348778090 160555 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the monopoly board. the way it folds neatly to 1/4 it's size. and it was wonderful for the imagination < 1348778092 148215 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was what we in the trade call a `callback' < 1348778103 800379 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I didn't want to back down because I thought I was right < 1348778107 614712 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think adults could imagine how much fun a child has playing monopoly < 1348778112 321244 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1348778115 359956 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he didn't want to back down because everybody else sided with him < 1348778122 81768 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall not enjoying monopoly at all < 1348778150 363670 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly atriq you're such a lightweight < 1348778159 218308 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then he tried to fix it and he DID SOMETHING WRONG < 1348778164 928662 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That turned out to be RIGHT ALL ALONG < 1348778167 902466 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And aaaaargh < 1348778181 469190 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've had a bad day and too much caffeine < 1348778186 109938 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just earlier today i got in a bitter dispute with some guys over whether one set of ships in a freespace mod was justified in looking like another set of ships < 1348778198 823135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION taunts atriq with an interpretive dance in nicaraguan sign language < 1348778199 205973 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: if you knew how i felt about homestuck, you might well swear to destroy me and everything i value < 1348778199 892076 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for someone who doesn't drink tea or coffee that equates to any caffeine at all < 1348778207 281477 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1348778207 877610 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even remember who i've argued with earlier than that, it's all one long blur of anger < 1348778215 43381 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're entitled to your opinions, itidus21. < 1348778231 143316 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it frightens me that comic < 1348778245 775549 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you accidentally see that one flash with jade's dream < 1348778250 44850 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shouldn't, but it's okay that it does < 1348778259 431553 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except the flash with Jade's Dream < 1348778259 913062 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in an eerie unsettling way like what i expect alistair crowley's writing might do < 1348778264 279306 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the Squiddles album < 1348778296 76069 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think homestuck is an annoying religion for disaffected teenagers? < 1348778329 680525 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats probably it < 1348778331 506718 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I've been thinking, it seems rather logic to me that Fueue programs should end when they try to input but reach EOF < 1348778350 166798 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck IS an annoying religion for disaffected teenagers. < 1348778355 132752 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1348778357 701449 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, hmm, I disagree < 1348778363 572175 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i feel better < 1348778405 360428 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, that means it can't output anything after it's run out of input < 1348778411 152682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: there are many programs you cannot write if a program halts immediately on EOF. such as tac... < 1348778414 493417 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like a "You inputted 107 characters" < 1348778432 776789 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :input in Fueue is a mean to "save" the program from an infinite no-op loop; if there is no input available, then it means there's nothing left to save the program from this no-op loop < 1348778454 527866 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's either that or you add a special EOF function < 1348778457 896084 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348778472 14065 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that this function could be ')' ("deblock"), for instance < 1348778478 327040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or EOF value... < 1348778479 641568 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or assign a number to represent the EOF "character" < 1348778487 810506 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And write Fueue programs to handle it < 1348778546 478179 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like assigning a number - it means inputting that number is the same as inputting eof < 1348778555 973816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i have no idea how to handle Fueue input that is a negative number :) < 1348778586 511832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: um you use a number not equal to any character, duh < 1348778598 541954 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well you could place it just after a - < 1348778612 208154 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah, you mean in the program? < 1348778617 860910 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, and why not < 1348778626 622483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: ...then you couldn't handle the positive ones. < 1348778637 331165 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. < 1348778672 453694 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well don't we have a nice "compare with 0" function? < 1348778675 327283 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: The past tense of “input” is “input” >_> <_< < 1348778687 141205 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how $ reacts to negativ numbers, actually < 1348778690 962015 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I deny that to the utmost degree, Gregor < 1348778703 264272 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, implementation dependant, probably an error < 1348778732 78801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: yes but... if you compare with 0 you destroy all other information about the number < 1348778740 408524 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :put in < 1348778756 89140 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: double it, then compare the copy with 0 < 1348778777 150125 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how we do it in most stack languages, right? < 1348778785 990743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: you cannot copy it because : won't wait until the number has been input < 1348778801 720826 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1348778801 915037 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fueue is a ridiculous language. < 1348778808 154771 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what happens when you do : and then want to do something with the number < 1348778812 494998 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I highly recommend that you do not try to seriously program with it < 1348778827 439579 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, oerjan did prove it was turing-complete < 1348778835 619531 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which really surprised me < 1348778866 926953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: the problem is only while you are actually inputting a character, once you have managed to get it into a stable form you can use : just fine. < 1348778881 660844 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though once again I'm of the opinion we need to include some notions of input and output to the whole turing-completeness thing < 1348778898 51967 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool, so i'm experiencing not understanding youth culture < 1348778900 79656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, and the associativity would be wrong too. < 1348778917 34606 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You only need the ability to provide initial data < 1348778963 639903 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, Homestuck is a subculture at best < 1348778988 263075 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yes, I'm just saying we should consider the fact that this initial data can be read with what a language specs describe as "input" < 1348779008 151247 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Turing-Machine lacks input < 1348779008 529486 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, compare those two models: < 1348779012 274117 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambda Calculus lacks input < 1348779019 890117 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wang Tiles lack input < 1348779025 866743 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wang Tiles are really odd, though) < 1348779080 12708 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: that's my point; when proving a language is equivalent to the set of turing-machines, I find it's not what the language is supposed to be that we're proving tc < 1348779145 507214 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can say a turing-machine does have input, in the form of the initial content of the tape (and the program is the automaton hooked to it) < 1348779161 25643 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: No, the code is the input < 1348779169 80037 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data is code, code is data < 1348779182 663928 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, yeah < 1348779196 982281 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can designate certain parts as code and certain parts as data if you really want to < 1348779198 363732 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when you're proving that brainfuck's subset <>+-[] is turing-complete, I feel you're not proving *actual* brainfuck, as the *usable* programming language, is turing-complete < 1348779224 52872 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-143-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: The more appropriate way of modelling I/O on a Turing machine is to claim it's got three tapes, one of which you can only read and move, and one of which you can only write and move. < 1348779245 79271 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-143-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit of a hack, but that's basically what's going on. < 1348779247 359636 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the third tape? < 1348779251 144549 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that's my point; if a language specs say that it has an input instruction, then the data shouldn't be considered part of the code, but what's accessible via that input instruction < 1348779264 599241 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-143-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: That's the normal tape. < 1348779281 735873 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you're adding IO < 1348779285 219931 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-143-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've got an in tape, an out tape, and a RAM tape. < 1348779286 98304 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-143-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1348779296 143135 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well, yes, I would very much agree with that representation < 1348779302 728905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: proving a subset of a language TC proves the entire language TC (as long as it's computable in the first place) < 1348779305 822245 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Then you can have data in both places < 1348779319 161096 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what I'm saying is you've proven something else TC < 1348779342 852148 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by not considering the language's input and output facilities, you're "defining" input and output as something else < 1348779345 405798 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-143-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, incidentally, you can with some difficulty emulate multiple tapes on a single-tape Turing machine. < 1348779350 690435 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How would you do IO with lambda calculus? < 1348779367 503336 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-143-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning that I/O is basically irrelevant for TC-ness. < 1348779383 697742 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-143-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Probably the Lazy K way. < 1348779388 564085 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1348779395 410789 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-143-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Input is an argument, output is the result. < 1348779411 316556 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to me that input might involve editing the program < 1348779431 528797 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that .. humm < 1348779441 3023 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: for instance, what did you use as "the argument" and "the result" in your proof that 3-cell brainfuck is tc? < 1348779449 240049 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok guys.. just ignore what i said ur on a good topic keep going < 1348779463 723384 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I'm going to a pre-release for Return to Ravnica < 1348779472 290126 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get a bunch of boosters, an intro pack, and a promo card. < 1348779476 981427 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you play a tournament < 1348779485 599984 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think the promo card is only legal for that tournament though) < 1348779506 727565 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-143-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: The promo is generally legal. < 1348779516 908666 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see < 1348779518 446078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: the initial and final cell value, mostly. you do have some point - i know how to turn input into the right format but i think it may be impossible to turn a final cell value into an arbitrary output string. < 1348779542 211266 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-143-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're merely a slightly weird foil. To be illegal they'd have to have a weird border, weird card back, weird size, or some such. < 1348779553 544901 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-143-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, obviously, be declared explicitly illegal. < 1348779557 551299 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1348779578 94057 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the problem is, when someone says "hey I just proved this new language to be TC", we don't know what he's talking about < 1348779584 130784 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-143-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, funnily enough, the promo is *not* legal for that tournament. < 1348779587 59402 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sad that my 2012 blue/green/black graveyard deck is leaving Standard. :( < 1348779593 63849 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any local places that play Extended < 1348779631 47662 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that must vary by location. the place I'm going to said that it will be legal < 1348779631 961819 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-143-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the tournament format for a prerelease is limited, the only legal cards are the ones in the boosters you get. < 1348779639 67801 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then someone else will prove a second language TC, using that first language's TCness... but there's a chance he's not using the same definition of input and output, so I'm not sure the proof stands < 1348779652 783354 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: On the other hand, a^b with an overloaded operator^ is even worse: a + b * c^d == e <=> (a + b * c)^(d == e) ! < 1348779664 826472 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-143-156.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: DCI rules say otherwise. < 1348779705 534218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : it seems to me that input might involve editing the program <-- precisely! as i did for ///, btw < 1348779706 163848 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like someone says "Simon likes eggs" because he's seen Simon taking part in an egg-throwing battle < 1348779719 502912 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then someone else says "Simon likes eggs, therefore he likes omelettes" < 1348779834 344704 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: have you looked at the new set? it's pretty interesting < 1348779845 332618 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ironically LC still puzzles me a great deal. < 1348779908 721791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: my philosophy of TC-ness is that you include _both_ input and code in the initial setup for your computational model, and are permitted to use both as part of what you convert e.g. a turing machine including input tape into. and similarly for output. < 1348779927 465429 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i am suspending finding out what LC actually is so i can imagine it is something even better < 1348779947 863618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, since distinguishing input and code doesn't make sense for all models e.g. LC, you should never consider them truly distinct < 1348779976 43470 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to think that the alternate universe Darths and Droids linked to from strip 50 are randomised. < 1348779996 868588 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my philosophy is that the claim "this language is TC" should always be accompanied by a more precise description of what is meant by "this language" < 1348780008 626956 :atriq!~nathan@host-2-99-89-197.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348780055 257849 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric : i find it is tempting to think of anything with the same number of states as being identical. such as thinking heads and tails are exactly the same thing as 0 and 1 and exactly the same thing as black and white, but surely it cannot be so < 1348780074 32473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: oh hm i guess the point brainfuck is dubious is that you could either consider the final tape contents part of the output (as is done for turing machines) or not (as is done for many other languages) < 1348780074 295731 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this probably counts for program and code too < 1348780080 582969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*point where < 1348780088 231016 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely < 1348780088 426490 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^program and input < 1348780125 809587 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348780154 691858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i think my 3-cell method suffices only for the former if you want arbitrary results, although the latter works for recognition machines < 1348780170 189151 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW MANY OF THESE DAMN THINGS ARE THERE < 1348780204 322061 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: yeah, I'm planning to play prereleases oto < 1348780205 304163 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well collatz functions are definitely on my list of "things you should look at" and your proof comes right after them < 1348780205 928435 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*too < 1348780206 379128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless someone can find a clever way of converting an unbounded cell value to an output string in 3-cell brainfuck. < 1348780213 796979 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: pikhq: I've never played limited before. should be interesting < 1348780220 606453 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's lots of fun < 1348780229 345200 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there's no 4 card limit, and you can have a huge sideboard and you don't have to swap one-to-one < 1348780243 818272 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1348780252 87614 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa.. < 1348780253 158072 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1348780275 476723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm starting to think that the alternate universe Darths and Droids linked to from strip 50 are randomised. <-- um no. there's a long chain of them. < 1348780292 9405 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I definitely tried following this before! < 1348780315 526921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they _have_ sometimes added information to older ones, iirc < 1348780340 596886 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are like 20 of these I've never seen! < 1348780365 301790 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.darthsanddroids.net/hypnotoads/0050.html < 1348780372 60894 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second bullet point is golden in this one < 1348780377 660548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: afair there is one for every 50 D&D + one because they somehow forgot to delay the one they'd been intending when they hurriedly made the avatar one < 1348780415 199124 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh < 1348780423 354933 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspected they were updating them < 1348780446 541524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, expect another one in 15 strips :) < 1348780551 797622 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you think Fueue would be TC, using its input system as input, if EOF halted execution? < 1348780705 533048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: sure, just use an LR(0) input format so that the EOF is never read. (e.g. an unlambda 1 interpreter could be made, ignoring final comments.) < 1348780722 866936 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :LR(0)? < 1348780757 732501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :LR(0) means a grammar where you don't need to look at the next token to know whether a production has ended. < 1348780805 110305 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... that didn't sound honest < 1348780883 716465 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("can you hold a conversation with french-speaking people?" "sure, as long as they use an english-encoding of their french sentences") < 1348780891 270647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: you probably want to be requiring that the input is interpreted precisely as in a normal program language then? in which case the answer is no, you cannot implement tac or wc. and in which case it also has nothing to do with TC-ness. < 1348780927 129060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: the whole _point_ of TC-ness is that you're allowed to apply an arbitrary (terminating) encoding to the incoming and outgoing information. < 1348780941 831729 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm yes ok that makes sense < 1348781096 585784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : the second bullet point is golden in this one <-- DMM made a relevant comment on that, let me look it up... < 1348781303 361340 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1348781412 507576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i think it got deleted < 1348781463 258477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was basically "i see nothing needing editing", anyway < 1348781479 959642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti: I always play limited. < 1348782929 569961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that it is impossible to determine in 3-cell brainfuck whether an unbounded cell value is even or odd without destroying most of the information in it < 1348782959 261413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/determine/extract/ < 1348783000 361846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do arbitrary calculations but you cannot get the information out of that one cell < 1348783018 702308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(counterproofs welcome) < 1348783058 455238 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348783921 93457 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Sleepzzzzzzzz < 1348784797 701942 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :job for tomorrow: prove that 3-cell reversible brainfuck is not TC < 1348784850 729942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1348784937 70773 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you think of a way to prove that a language is not TC, other than a) writing a compiler to a known not-TC language (and by language I include automata) and b) solving the halting problem for it < 1348784989 345302 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'll count "proving that it does not allow for infinite loops" as a subset of solving the halting problem) < 1348785000 60051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1348785033 730210 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and there was supposed to be an interrogation mark! it's a question!) < 1348785080 844176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :showing that there is some problem it cannot solve, i guess < 1348785112 843982 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348785117 782665 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348785123 949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although how would you do that without having (a) or (b)... < 1348785134 423044 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com NICK :Guest7740 < 1348785153 826538 :Guest7740!~copumpkin@209-6-232-56.c3-0.sbo-ubr1.sbo.ma.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1348785207 269063 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not supposed to be a very interesting, nor formal, question - it's ok if a) or b) can be inferred from the proof, I was just wondering about other "ideas" for proofs < 1348785223 607048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not familiar enough with the known theory to remember if there is a well-known example of a non-TC language whose halting problem _isn't_ decidable. < 1348785240 15647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a proof none exist < 1348785321 863512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the two non-TC proofs i mentioned in my article page were done essentially by (b), although for subtle cough you might consider it (a) as well. < 1348785369 877920 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and by writing a compiler I include a human description of the translation) < 1348785370 822656 :pumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1348785420 693349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the non-TC subsets of underload were essentially about always halting < 1348785432 423469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-essentially < 1348785497 85232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added REVER to Truth-machine implementations < 1348785557 887168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: oh and there's always the matter of not having unbounded memory, although you could consider that as compiling to FSAs... < 1348785594 819295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or linear bounded automata, if it's only that it cannot grow after the beginning < 1348785631 106018 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the bounded-storage machine category on the wiki is empty! < 1348785637 392462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1348785669 404781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, it was never properly discussed < 1348785679 256341 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of weird considering I'm sure at least a handful of handfuls of languages on the wiki were inspired by their first implementation < 1348785691 626285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To you think the truth-machine in REVER is OK? < 1348785695 681420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no one ever acted on my delete request < 1348785718 904575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: what? < 1348785748 479694 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, imagine I have an idea for a new language < 1348785761 369530 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I write an interpreter / compiler / whatever for it < 1348785769 149221 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then I write an esolang wiki page < 1348785791 172684 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I basically use my implementation as the specs < 1348785839 620811 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: OK, but what is your idea? < 1348785840 714284 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally integers are bounded, and if it's, say, tape-based, then the tape is bounded as well (cause I was too lazy to make it an unbounded lazy structure) < 1348785876 489110 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: actually I have a few ideas in mind! < 1348785889 10710 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I should write my user page and put them there < 1348785985 419886 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language based on mario kart (or any other race), where instructions affect certain cars, either "at a certain time" or "at a certain location" (and cars are objects with a position, a speed, an acceleration, and probably even the next derivative) < 1348785985 948964 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1348786055 606230 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nondeterministic/probabilistic language based on a monopoly-like game, where a program is a setup of the board + number of players and such, and the players roll dice and are affected by the board < 1348786142 419630 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nondeterministic/probabilistic language similar to Knight Shuffling Tower: there's a main data structure (probably a queue), but its "pop" function pops into a variable... except there are a handful of variables which all have the same name (and one is selected at random every time a variable must be used) < 1348786174 595070 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think I had a few others as well but they're not coming to mind at the moment :( < 1348786200 306820 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have idea, write it on List of ideas. < 1348786236 534475 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the whole esolang thing is growing out of control in my head - every time I take part in a new activity, it goes "hey, this would be a cool idea for an esolang!"... < 1348786251 55578 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance the other day I played a monopoly-like game with friends < 1348786270 973994 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it turned out to be pretty different from the actual monopoly, though, because there was SO MUCH inflation in it) < 1348786477 631598 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the regular monopoly there isn't really any inflation - you get income every time you reach start, but you invest it in ownership (or whatever it's called). all other operations are 0-sum: money transits from a player to another < 1348786581 937880 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that game your income was a function of your number of houses, and you could buy bonds on houses, and the simple fact of buying more bonds made the value of bonds increase < 1348786670 517633 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and investment was mostly free as your score was the sum of your cash, bonds, and houses (so buying a house is basically converting cash into a house, but does not affect your score) < 1348786747 912678 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, that was fun :) we were three humans and one computer, and the computer took a good lead at some point, BUT THEN I WON which of course made it all the more fun < 1348786802 321713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally. < 1348786808 417116 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I've been meaning to read the REVER page ever since you started posting it on the wiki, but I never know where to start - I feel it lacks a "language overview" or something < 1348786846 796247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: But I don't know what to write in the overview. Anyone who does read it, could add it if they know what to write in the overview. < 1348786850 889806 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basically starts with "it's reversible, you can write comments, and most operations have the same operators as in C < 1348787009 412108 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know not very good to write overview like that; I only have the first sentence which isn't much. < 1348787015 682352 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for instance I start reading the beginning, then I start scrolling down, then I see something that looks interesting (namely "bijections"), so I search what is a bijection (cause being able to take an inverse is neat but you have to have the other thing first) aaaaaaaand I don't find it < 1348787037 358309 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :example programs can also help < 1348787074 237780 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I made a section for the examples I didn't put any in yet. But I did write the example for truth-machine on that page. < 1348787079 308819 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or some kind of BNFish description (though in languages "that look like C" such a description might look like something horrible) < 1348787198 387954 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also I have some childhood issues with the word "subroutines" so that doesn't help) < 1348787367 100487 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw zzo38 I was trying to remember the name of a language which main operation is to move stuff from input to output and from output to input, and I seem to recall you created that language (though I may be wrong) < 1348787381 692354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1348787424 316751 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then maybe it isn't you - I haven't found it on your wiki user page < 1348787653 287718 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sometimes my mind associate some people with some stuff even though there seem to be no link between the two) < 1348787846 489380 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348788331 703003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm didn't i see that the other day < 1348788441 117370 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348788649 782263 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am making Famicom Hangman. If the microphone is available, it will use it as part of the random number generator. < 1348788862 584137 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348788889 901686 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348789366 166247 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: that's dr. turing to you, punk < 1348789607 705329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC headline: "Nazi Buddha originally from space" < 1348789610 50967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :article disappoints < 1348789953 307396 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can that disappoint without outright lying < 1348789989 219341 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically not a lie. < 1348789994 378938 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically not as cool as it sounds. < 1348790115 128737 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348792525 907533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:34 kmc left #haskell? < 1348792528 775961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:35 :( < 1348793246 674029 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348793355 573390 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1348793705 224498 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reports of kmc's departure are greatly understated. < 1348793911 898806 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348794277 252655 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fizzie where's that colour averaging thing you made < 1348794655 754036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Clark County is home to many tax-conscious conservatives, who came to income-tax-free Washington but settled close enough to the border to shop in sales-tax-free Oregon." < 1348794704 952322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so do they only have to pay federal taxes then? < 1348794719 153247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, do they have to pay property tax too? < 1348794730 167120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably both < 1348794744 446209 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other income-related federal taxes like social security and medicare < 1348794749 803784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which aren't part of federal income tax proper < 1348794786 358561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not, but the federal income tax tacks it on. < 1348794802 772824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't know the law in WA specifically, but in general if you buy stuff tax-free in another state (or online) and bring it home, you might owe something to the state where you live < 1348794806 781898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"use tax" < 1348794829 755594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how it is in CA. < 1348794847 684389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, in WA too. < 1348794882 989365 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in NY they make a guess about how much shit you bought online based on your income < 1348794899 487009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and charge you that by default < 1348794906 546711 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can / might be required to itemize it under some circumstances < 1348795018 800660 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is also why Amazon has no engineering offices in Cambridge MA < 1348795040 818209 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they did, then all Amazon purchases from MA would be subject to sales tax, because the company has operations in the state < 1348795095 456045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it sounds like the MA government is going to start requiring them to pay tax regardless < 1348795111 266829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now they will open an engineering office < 1348795124 487536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hire MIT grads to work in the code mines < 1348795299 676039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :government gotta get paid < 1348795810 448726 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rowan_Williams_-001.jpg < 1348795816 805012 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :loving the cropping of this picture < 1348796083 403037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1348796334 585147 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348796443 976163 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19746994 love the infographic < 1348797405 413452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe in Famicom Hangman I should have a time limit to push a letter, or a time limit to solve the puzzle, or both < 1348797575 149229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have other ideas, then I might put that in too. < 1348798614 812241 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be able to read mail < 1348798671 58578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read mail? Why? How do you expect it? < 1348799001 433517 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348800726 964196 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348801265 899084 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1348801633 503289 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348802491 961254 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348802670 859968 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1348802706 207463 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348804555 377147 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348804748 577269 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348804874 580329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you know how PaX KERNEXEC works on amd64? < 1348804892 505985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Nope. < 1348804916 393616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's KERNEXEC? < 1348804949 758991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the feature which prevents executing userspace memory while in kernel mode < 1348804953 402404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1348804958 670600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on i386 this is easily accomplished with segmentation < 1348804978 477763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on amd64 they instrument each ret and indirect jump/call in the kernel < 1348804992 56265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically they 'or' the target with 0x8000000000000000 < 1348805012 512940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the target was a userspace address, the resulting address is non-canonical and there is a general protection fault < 1348805048 3566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, makes sense. < 1348805057 803433 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is more efficient than a test + conditional branch, but is still kinda slow < 1348805062 177132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll stop working when we all get real 64-bit CPUs! < 1348805069 978421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make matters worse, you need to keep 0x8000000000000000 around in some register < 1348805087 222990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true! < 1348805132 793294 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348805138 600628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if ksplice could use gcc plugins usefully < 1348805161 424568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course it would only work for distros using newish GCC < 1348805185 185592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i wonder if there is a good channel for geeking out about systems and security things < 1348805204 735282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's ##systems which is pretty quiet. < 1348805239 516120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad < 1348805265 112310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i am easily annoyed by macho hacker personalities, which are common in security < 1348805278 739073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's mainly pkhuong and sbahra. < 1348805314 728239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should start your own channel! < 1348805317 816286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1348805336 844762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be in it so you could tell me all the "shachaf: Did you know" things. < 1348805562 767928 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of systems, i made a small stripboard circuit with a MAX232 equivalent and a GPS receiver and i’m running a stratum 1 NTP server now (for no particular reason). < 1348805574 24738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiny < 1348805838 154201 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, uh < 1348805848 955640 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think of the parens scoping discussion? < 1348805878 802680 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, are you in there becasue of me. < 1348805985 380448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1348805998 304265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that I'd rather avoid discussions with that particular individual. < 1348807751 966911 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348807786 325478 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348814420 968297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy hi are you < 1348814421 202770 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1348814479 349714 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-0-183.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1348814527 145023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The part of the (AMD) manuals which speaks of canonical addresses specifically says that you shouldn't play tricks with them. < 1348814545 544064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose to be exact it just says not to stuff things in the unused bits, but I suppose that sorta-counts too. < 1348816197 82643 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1348816819 129789 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1348816819 362438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1348816822 406467 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1348816822 601338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf asked 40m 2s ago: hi are you < 1348818708 924181 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348819178 855820 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1348819183 759360 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1348819186 934687 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say ":)" < 1348819192 80675 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ) < 1348819192 887071 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I really mean ":(" < 1348819195 740454 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ( < 1348819710 135597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I say :), and you say :(", isn't that from a Beatles song. < 1348819924 882615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi are you monqy < 1348819958 862976 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348819986 931439 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348820044 644373 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minecraft froze and took my mouse with it, so I panickd < 1348820048 843035 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+e < 1348820059 857527 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I need help with Ubuntu. Dare I join #ubuntu? < 1348820223 247251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't sound necessarily productive. < 1348820237 591463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have 1514 people in there. < 1348820247 758067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably a different number by now.) < 1348820253 543301 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1512 < 1348821112 301796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348821966 521325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd XD < 1348822011 470015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348822013 549054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348822068 32151 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1348824928 997352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1348830322 68787 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what VRML feature I just noticed to be rare to nonexistent in other 3D chat things? A feature to make something always appear to be facing the camera < 1348830418 189962 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The primary time to ask questions is when the teacher is in human form. At all other times please raise your hand. (this gesture is not yet implemented) < 1348830448 485758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without the virtual-world context, that would be a very interesting statement to encounter. < 1348833236 665778 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348833305 841346 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1348833313 990002 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1348834713 259232 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348834776 238639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348834783 656522 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348835127 941388 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348835133 447944 :ais523__!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348836949 638548 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348837734 654023 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I prefer Toshiba tech support to Samsung < 1348837739 440325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I show this image here? I think I showed this image here. Anyway, sunlight, it's fancy: http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/sunshine.jpg < 1348837743 35049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also on the topic: naming files "csb.jpg", "p1.jpg", "test.jpg", "random.jpg" and so on makes it pretty hard to find a particular file later on.) < 1348837746 22121 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AARGh < 1348837749 814590 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEY SPELT MY NAME WRONG < 1348837761 482016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though it turns out that random.jpg is a picture of a computer with hostname 'random'.) < 1348837766 782754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1348837775 487626 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know nothing of having your name spelt wrong < 1348837790 446246 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys I think I beat you all on the topic < 1348837811 760811 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :last time my father had to write my name on an official paper, he asked me to show him my id < 1348837827 302527 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was once booked into a hotel under the name "Random" < 1348837836 500247 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you guys have it easy < 1348837869 201659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone says my name wrong until they've been corrected for at least a month < 1348837877 661915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is (or at least was; maybe he/she changed it) a child in New Zealand named "Number 16 Bus Shelter". < 1348837882 482926 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this includes people who have only ever heard my name, never seen it spelt < 1348837891 867105 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pronunciation, not spelling. < 1348837895 994351 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPLETELY different. < 1348837907 606812 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like mouth spelling! < 1348837913 516908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We speculated that that's where e was conceived.) < 1348837964 128843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10523288 -- includes other great child names, such as "Fish and Chips", "Sex Fruit" (rather descriptive), and the topic of the article, "Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii". < 1348837986 911348 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this the e who writes poems? < 1348837994 214649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A lawyer for Talula Does The Hula From Hawaii had reported the nine-year-old was so embarrassed about her name that she had not revealed it to her friends and was other wise known as 'K'." < 1348838078 430159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are probably similar lists from every country; I know I've seen one from Finland. (Even though both countries have rules about not allowing "offensive" names.) < 1348838115 514281 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :offensive to common sense < 1348838668 702543 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On that occasion the mother had named her daughter O.crnia but was prepared to concede to a condition of a parenting order so it could be adjusted to Oceania. < 1348838704 320403 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the judge who made the girl's name official couldn't interpreted my handwriting wrong" < 1348838874 202440 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to see Black Holes and Revelations/The Resistance/The 2nd Law as a cycle of concept albums < 1348838905 622901 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348838962 498077 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348839016 385372 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except Exogenesis Symphony happens either after the 2nd Law or millenia earlier < 1348839056 761860 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it goes quite well with "Animals" < 1348839058 706416 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1348839063 17152 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Explorers" < 1348840014 421863 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348841214 734860 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-0-183.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1348841250 635313 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348841919 417377 :io_!~io@66.85.173.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348842924 66595 :ais523__!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1348843315 660567 :io_!~io@66.85.173.21 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348844044 405731 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348845885 316179 :i50640235!~unknown@32.141.234.180 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348845927 667261 :i50640235!~unknown@32.141.234.180 PART :#esoteric < 1348846194 731916 :ISteffyxo!~unknown@32.141.234.180 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348846309 640060 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1348846318 329519 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1348846323 874503 :ISteffyxo!~unknown@32.141.234.180 QUIT :Client Quit < 1348846523 983357 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348846551 969653 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348847310 538534 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1348847356 217065 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Client Quit < 1348847609 293697 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1348848712 230853 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1348852424 223065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daily piece of useless information: according to OED, 'triage' is pronounced as /ˈtraɪɪdʒ/, and "in sense 2 [assignment of degrees of urgency to wounds or illnesses] also /trijaʒ/, /ˈtriːɑːʒ/". (I would've gone with the something like the latter options even in general.) < 1348852598 706956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, Steam's Portal 2 update log mentions the item "Fixed performance issue with lasers", and I can't figure out whether that's "fixed (performance issue with lasers)" or "fixed (performance issue) with lasers". < 1348852764 332879 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former I suppose < 1348852774 781236 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you never know! < 1348852842 82897 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine Valve fixing things with lasers, it sounds appropriate. < 1348852900 871869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348853115 901053 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348853133 893526 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348853175 483950 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348853848 589383 :strong!~strong@92.253.114.50 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348853885 996288 :strong!~strong@92.253.114.50 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1348855523 528043 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :OK people, we need a new featured language. NOW. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1348855635 866196 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just feature slashes < 1348855886 442898 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just go back and forth? That's a good idea X-D < 1348855994 604683 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348856019 159078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think you should pick a different one every time. < 1348856026 935192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless none are eligible. < 1348856057 397295 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think that was the joke, zzo38) < 1348856215 638915 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is arule not to nominate yourself, but I think it ought to be allowed if none others are eligible. < 1348856235 143669 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's an immediate need for that < 1348856248 872208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean now. < 1348856258 292591 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna double-suggest Malbonge, Underload, and Deadfish < 1348856343 818043 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it is possible to ask someone really nicely to nominate your language < 1348856445 7793 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like everything about Funciton except for the interpreter being in C#. < 1348856514 451005 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re-implement it in ORK < 1348856676 34744 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what qualifies a language to be featured? < 1348856684 211915 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People suggesting it < 1348856690 268521 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1348856690 463032 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it being good enough. < 1348856696 369383 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1348856697 287985 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And elliott making it featured < 1348856701 357241 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what makes it good enough < 1348856710 322921 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esolang:Featured_languages/Candidates < 1348856710 707966 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Test™. < 1348856739 184091 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1348856740 205516 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1348856760 963324 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will nominate Aubergine, even though I don't even know if it will pass The Test™ < 1348856776 767972 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just like it a lot < 1348856793 197409 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not try to understand The Test™. Just know that The Test™ is watching you. Waiting. Testing®. < 1348856821 528245 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :‽ < 1348856873 347280 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not fear The Test™. < 1348856875 756999 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Love The Test™. < 1348856879 60827 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give yourself to The Test™. < 1348856913 76470 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh, Test™! I do so love you! Take me now! Or let me take you! *swoon* < 1348856925 488049 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*The Test™ < 1348856941 241336 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348856979 234373 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i fail? :( < 1348857017 436986 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Misspelling the name of The Test™ only affects how many Post-Test Morale Beatings™ you will receive. < 1348857117 6509 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia, feel free to nominate Aubergine. < 1348857476 691173 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348859159 784499 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19760977 < 1348859162 474987 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's news now? < 1348859233 564422 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348859252 964171 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348859328 132831 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did < 1348859334 964118 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1348859336 394827 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: < 1348859339 975612 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw < 1348859602 65947 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, Kipple is in the list, but I think its wiki page needs clarifications < 1348859611 121464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then fix it. < 1348859977 593063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348859996 963504 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1348860058 6152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: your request about 3-cell reversible brainfuck looks complicated :) < 1348860074 250357 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1348860084 764693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _think_ one can define reversible collatz functions, and do reversible minsky machines with them. < 1348860124 708379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then one needs to do ordinary reversible brainfuck and/or turing machines with the minsky machines < 1348860138 550545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and reversible collatz functions with the 3-cell brainfuck < 1348860170 613043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically the usual path of reductions needs to be redone reversibly < 1348860195 741940 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ordinary=unbounded number of cells, but possibly with bounded values < 1348860403 771554 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think atriq needs a wiki page < 1348860405 199135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary?doi=10.1.1.159.2776 is prior work from the minsky machine part onwards < 1348860419 915995 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, why do you say that? < 1348860450 314440 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: because you're probably the most active user < 1348860455 640234 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you are pretty known I think < 1348860456 561155 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really not < 1348860459 125000 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you want it yourself < 1348860470 981332 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think you even said that once) < 1348860494 974123 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wondered if I ought to make a page < 1348860504 254545 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And decided against it? < 1348860505 405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing on the first page at least for collatz functions < 1348860557 669946 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: okay. I do find you deserve it though < 1348860670 982013 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what to think < 1348860779 60807 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well this is just my opinion of course < 1348860797 465713 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm not a member of this community for a very long time < 1348860807 230960 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike most others < 1348860832 43707 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been hear just over a year < 1348860838 641588 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*here < 1348860901 964364 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348861253 867994 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone else's thoughts? < 1348861541 507620 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had such a page, what would be in it? < 1348861553 667619 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit about me? < 1348861568 13585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would of course have to mention the Hexham Anomaly < 1348861576 746024 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1348861617 275892 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my lost programming language < 1348861628 307038 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not actually lost, merely kind of embarrassing) < 1348862402 883969 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok, new version of my kipple interpreter, going eve further away from the specs - now "i", "o", and "io" all refer to the same stack, which is actually not a stack < 1348862423 546041 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there is a special stack called "i@" which is actually not a stack either, and can be used to input numbers < 1348862448 434044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To boldly go where no Kipple interpreter has gone before. < 1348862474 375690 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many esolangs < 1348862476 980863 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have any other ideas they are very welcome < 1348862514 578568 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though at some point I might need to rewrite it all over, rather than adding stuff here and there in the code and hoping it will still work < 1348862538 591118 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :note than now, (i+0) is a cat program < 1348862576 498846 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you "vote" for a featured language that is already a candidate? < 1348862586 878518 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell elliott < 1348862595 209657 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok < 1348862609 105765 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because it takes a value from the input stack, duplicates it, and push the result to the input stack, which happens to be the output stack, and continue doing so until the input stack is empty, which happens when end of file has been reached) < 1348862729 17364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest, vote eodermdrome! < 1348862793 493349 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of voting for that, but the one problem that I have is that there is no implementation available < 1348862807 811240 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries... OK, it turns out it is not a cat program, because the input stack is actually kind of a stack, which means i+0 only "peeks" at the top of the input stack (effectively reading a char from input and pushing it on the stack), and pushes a copy to output... so next iteration the same char will be read again... so it's actually a program that reads one char from input and prints it in an infinite loop < 1348862824 22801 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that the featured language should have an implementation that can be downloaded < 1348862843 817858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really written any substantial Kipple ever, so I don't have any ideas. I have just a vague feeling that the major impracticality in writing a larger Kipple program is the lack of any sensible way to do subroutines. (Then again, that's not very practical in many other languages either.) < 1348862844 299521 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1348862845 59979 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (i>o) or (o>i) or (io>io) or (i but cut way down" < 1348863042 385471 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that doesn't render an implementation unneeded, right? < 1348863067 742944 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's necessary < 1348863087 769288 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how about a special execute stack that would execute chars pushed onto it as if they were kipple instructions < 1348863156 60431 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-16-10.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348863254 429447 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it would be more handy to have an execute command that would execute a stack as a kipple program, but I like the idea to have special stacks only, and no more commands < 1348863309 234462 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had such a visual interpreter for spiral once < 1348863324 194455 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :until those people at the computer repair place erased it < 1348863345 352808 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe it acts as a regular stack, until a special "trigger" character is pushed onto it, at which point it executes itself < 1348863382 396898 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can push your subroutines to stacks, and when you want to execute a subroutine, you push a copy a the right stack to the execute stack, then push the trigger character to the execute stack < 1348863465 435289 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you could say that if it requires a special character, you could have *any* stack be executable, when the trigger character is pushed on them < 1348863486 961696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think none of those are the best idea. < 1348863516 156191 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then to be able to use the trigger character on a stack, you'd have to escape it somehow < 1348863516 410015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps, make one command which trigger the stack, what it does depend on which stack is selected (if it is not a special stack, it does nothing). < 1348863527 564455 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1348863530 295467 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that < 1348863551 970062 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though currently the input/output stack is already interactive, so they can't really be triggered < 1348863610 663050 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so that would mean using separate stacks for input and output again) < 1348863726 230886 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could change it so that, it is input if you read the empty I/O stack, but otherwise you just read back the output, once triggered then its contents are send to output and it then becomes empty. Would this work? < 1348863866 286434 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1348863876 9638 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my first version had separate input and output stacks < 1348863915 302093 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the output stack was a regular stack, except with the side effect that when something had to be pushed onto it, it was printed out (but still pushed on the stack) < 1348863973 477873 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the input stack was also a regular stack, except that if it was empty and something tried to pop it it would return a char read from stdin instead of 0 (other stacks return 0 when empty) < 1348864000 615514 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348864026 636700 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the new version I merged those two stacks, so trying to pop io would read a char from input, and trying to push x io would print x out (but not push it on any stack) < 1348864120 83569 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're suggesting that it become a regular stack, except that if it's popped when empty it returns a char from stdin instead of 0, and if it's triggered its content is outputted and it is then cleared? < 1348864131 825323 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I guess that would work < 1348864155 800766 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do have some problems though - it is sometimes possible to "peek" instead of pop < 1348864189 84597 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A peek is just a dup followed by a pop on a stack < 1348864212 850080 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it's troublesome when the in and out stacks are merged < 1348864236 176897 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like an anti-lazy evaluation < 1348864248 423799 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance imagine the kipple program (i blabla) < 1348864264 658573 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a loop that says "execute content of the loop until i is empty" < 1348864283 558538 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348864318 535799 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to know whether input is empty when using interactive io, my current solution is to read on char from io : if it's end of file then the stack is considered empty; else it is considered not empty, but that char must be kept for the next time someone tries to read i < 1348864379 440233 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(otherwise the program "(i>o)", which is supposed to be a cat, would print only every other character) < 1348864392 764453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty much how i feel too much of the time http://www.mezzacotta.net/owls/?comic=489 < 1348864435 453000 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan you're... < 1348864458 892166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DON'T FINISH THAT SENTENCE OR I'LL KILL YOU < 1348864474 655986 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha you don't know where I live < 1348864481 951145 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(come to think of that, you probably do) < 1348864487 187912 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1348864488 615021 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i mean _all_! < 1348864496 49375 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somethings telling me Belgium < 1348864506 690612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere on earth, close enough. you _did_ read the comic, i assume. < 1348864533 968324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION slips off to steal the dea^Wpeace moon from darths & droids < 1348864562 793953 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that was a complete coincidence (sponsored by the Heart of Gold spaceship) < 1348864669 932322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1348864816 656219 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh and I forgot to say, I added a super-useful-essential-and-revolutionary stack which is called "dump" and is always empty (everything that is pushed to it is destroyed instead) < 1348864867 748117 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it should be called "0" instead, seeing as popping it always gives a 0 but that would require too much modifications on the code for such a useless stack < 1348864911 596353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be called "zero". Or "null". < 1348864924 313849 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that idea < 1348864931 808128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does sound a bit like /dev/zero. < 1348864948 631548 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a good idea? < 1348864974 604451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi >/dev/zero; echo success < 1348864985 451530 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :success < 1348865006 296472 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whois Taneb < 1348865010 120917 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: whois: not found < 1348865011 112126 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1348865014 656201 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is Taneb < 1348865022 288601 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not in the topic I have no idea < 1348865026 860584 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Taneb < 1348865029 604225 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. < 1348865035 895881 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that narrows it down < 1348865038 650401 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elliott < 1348865041 746432 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things? < 1348865046 313391 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1348865049 863194 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd < 1348865053 458168 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​򔳷wUf2.Ƨ\Ӗ!~iꆡ.B < 1348865061 85507 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't help at all < 1348865076 856176 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? help < 1348865079 931300 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :help? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1348865096 462990 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1348865098 943880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Data written to a null or zero special file is discarded. Reads from the null special file always return end of file (i.e., read(2) returns 0), whereas reads from zero always return bytes containing zero (\0 characters)." I suppose it's arguable which it resembles more. < 1348865100 161369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? misspellings of croissant < 1348865103 37862 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1348865139 753307 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? reasons to not buy chocolate filled crossaints < 1348865142 373727 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasons to not buy chocolate filled crossaints? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1348865165 894017 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh < 1348865170 490808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clear proof that none exist < 1348865172 908631 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never saw ꆡ before < 1348865179 362473 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like a trident with a bit sticking out < 1348865181 461188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cross-saints. < 1348865182 249183 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :im now not sure which is the correct spelling < 1348865204 355782 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? itidus21 < 1348865207 24552 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 just made some instant coffee. < 1348865210 874649 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? itidus20 < 1348865212 830458 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how < 1348865214 111526 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus20's entry has been censored. < 1348865222 247377 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? itidus19 < 1348865225 489381 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus19? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1348865230 61962 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you ever itidus19? < 1348865239 889643 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: what a fantasist interpretation. It's clearly an ear with a bit sticking out < 1348865269 11793 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: What sort of ear looks like that? < 1348865270 254870 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theory i can be itidus22... but i think i didnt actually register it < 1348865271 602981 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348865273 764478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn itidus19 disappeared into a space-time anomaly < 1348865277 52702 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1348865281 907273 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't make fun of my ears :( < 1348865350 750575 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a carry-over from chat networks where beginning or ending an id in _ is illegal < 1348865375 625033 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :why that is has never been explained to me < 1348865409 325506 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :_FreeFull < 1348865417 338826 :_FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1348865429 546389 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a result, people valued such ids immensely and apparently some have indeed been traded for cash < 1348865505 723091 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1348865509 286211 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1348865521 255678 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1348865524 293452 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a lying Norwegian. < 1348865531 564876 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? haskell < 1348865534 358327 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \ arising from a use of implicit parameter `?haskell' < 1348865543 411141 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ocaml < 1348865546 527146 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ocaml? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1348865562 709036 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? homestuck < 1348865565 624781 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :random example found in google http://ilegal-id.blogspot.com.au/2012/06/long-undy.html < 1348865565 819560 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :homestuck? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1348865577 487621 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? HackEgo < 1348865580 957260 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. < 1348865607 733393 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Homestuck is a cult religion for disaffected teens. < 1348865610 809546 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1348865614 362235 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: sometimes reality is more ridiculous than fiction < 1348865614 565556 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? homestuck < 1348865617 509776 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck is a cult religion for disaffected teens. < 1348865639 782200 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wikipedia < 1348865640 160887 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? atriq < 1348865640 545801 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Homestuck is a cult religion for disaffected teens. Gamzee drives the bus. < 1348865643 839303 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1348865653 559392 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you ignoring me? :( < 1348865656 552906 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? atriq < 1348865662 158347 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq or two < 1348865663 860984 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too close together, perhaps < 1348865669 369417 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1348865670 256242 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq or two < 1348865685 576320 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol lol < 1348865689 244773 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1348865698 523355 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Finland < 1348865701 857937 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least nine of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus. < 1348865710 466253 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Hexham < 1348865713 618824 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham is a European town. There are nine people in Hexham, and at least two of them are in this channel. Taneb looks after the ham. < 1348865719 453155 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1348865727 777099 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More information about this mysterious "Taneb" < 1348865740 123960 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: iirc, you are Taneb < 1348865748 193091 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, who knows? < 1348865758 887452 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(me, and evidently you) < 1348865760 550835 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that doesn't really help < 1348865761 130472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS INFORMATION IS CLASSIFIED < 1348865766 375963 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I certainly don't < 1348865774 243858 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know, is soon I must sleep < 1348865777 292484 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-78-135.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: GOODNIGHT < 1348865833 782074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :In his house at Hexham, atriq waits dreaming. < 1348865839 324272 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i guess it helps a lot < 1348865881 405872 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could be strange though is reading about someone and not realizing it is you < 1348866022 725271 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes have the opposite problem with people with similar names to mine < 1348866049 421723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Isn't it "dead atriq waits dreaming"? < 1348866056 609500 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Did I write this? I have no memory of that!" < 1348866138 24368 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :sighs.. and prepares to say something weird < 1348866181 590783 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if.. some species, presumably humans, had an organ which was a tictactoe board < 1348866199 300197 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to humans all being different, it would have to differ somehow between individuals < 1348866224 501626 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not so much a tictactoe board but an embodiment of the game of tictactoe < 1348866245 425519 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of evolution of the toe? < 1348866275 914738 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq tac toe < 1348866288 434620 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe tic-tac toes would have mint glands < 1348866357 930019 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that its like how almost everyone has 8 fingers, and almost everyone has dna < 1348866371 470312 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet each finger differs < 1348866405 997041 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so .. theres nothing profound to be found in this < 1348866419 95912 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 fingers? I counted 10 at last count < 1348866421 921227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1348866560 981170 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :using analysis.. i think it is impossible to take any physical sample of 2 humans and find them to be identical < 1348866653 148427 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are youa llowed to take them from the same human? < 1348866700 876576 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess so.. < 1348866724 833058 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may well generalize to all matter < 1348866773 542801 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if there are two distincts samples, then Ocaml's == operator would always return false < 1348866792 172250 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I'll follow atriq's neat example < 1348866801 246602 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy the rest of the night! < 1348866891 281544 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this not helping headache < 1348866951 763367 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: about you comment on *brainfuck, I did not mean to say I put it in the brainfuck-equivalent category because it was TC; I meant that 1) it was trivial to translate a brainfuck program into *brainfuck, and 2) the other way around was probably irrelevant seeing as how *brainfuck's additions were not really useful at all < 1348866979 800808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't agree. < 1348867010 796214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also allowing pointers probably gives it a more than linear speedup to brainfuck in some cases. < 1348867017 48597 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then it probably doesn't belong to that category < 1348867026 6624 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I hadn't considered that < 1348867026 410289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar to having extra tapes in a turing machine < 1348867126 822849 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i really like your idea about a null stack < 1348867148 939648 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus: I almost not implemented it because I thought it was not useful at all < 1348867155 27851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: Isn't it "dead atriq waits dreaming"? <-- i considered it, but the dead atriq is a racehorse. < 1348867178 223873 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you could use any stack as a null stack and just "pretend" it's empty < 1348867206 408846 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect theres more to this idea < 1348867219 587514 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though if you actually want to free memory because you're inside a very long (or infinite) loop and don't want leaks...) < 1348867244 611263 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i just cant get my head around it < 1348867295 511232 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm gonna read some pages of my book and go to sleep - if you have any idea you want to share, feel free to @tell me or to leave a message on User_talk:Koen < 1348867303 527073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: In that case you could manually dump it every now and then; 0>z? is pretty elegant-looking. < 1348867306 223457 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you < 1348867334 241267 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reasons I always forget about the ? command < 1348867366 410172 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, every ten minutes I tell myself "hmm, kipple seriously like a way to destroy information..." < 1348867374 277667 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/lack/like < 1348867402 977574 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: that's dr. turing to you, punk < 1348868686 48895 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can peek instead of pop, what you can have is, if you peek an empty I/O stack, you get input which is then pushed onto the stack, so if you peek and then trigger then it copies input to output. < 1348868773 858068 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348869131 528670 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1348869560 899415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I have the dream where I recognized something as myself even though it is not; it is myself in real life but different from the myself in the dream. Actually, involving some memories from one myself remembered by the other myself even though they are actually two distinct people. < 1348869580 699817 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I could tell it is different, too; just that I knew some of their memories. < 1348870599 241697 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348870915 363527 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i was pondering < 1348870932 475020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have been advised to play http://haxathon.com/ < 1348871067 231857 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have some special value 5 whereby, a * 5 = 5, a + 5 = 5, a - 5 = 5, a / 5 = 5, for all values of a, and you had another similar special value 4, then it would seem 4 * 5 = 4 ? 5 < 1348871140 339080 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe what i am doing is really just writing fallacies < 1348871176 721273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: well that's more or less how you prove a group has just one identity, a ring just one zero, and similar things < 1348871249 14862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1348871464 795616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Should I play that? < 1348871508 509626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1348871509 317748 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348871510 661589 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't started yet < 1348871518 399993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a blog post i should finish up before i fall down any more rabbit holes < 1348871910 526868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote rabbit < 1348871910 734235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squarism says: wo utilizing any tricks, i want 20 miljon rabbits to mate with each other once.. how many mate event will there be < 1348871933 984732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote rabbit < 1348871934 218836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Squarism says: wo utilizing any tricks, i want 20 miljon rabbits to mate with each other once.. how many mate event will there be < 1348871988 827590 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-143-156.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1348872108 973191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today the zero width non-breaking space character came in handy < 1348872275 253153 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1348872396 436002 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: *victory* < 1348873928 657331 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mvbvtjpblslttltm QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348874893 896971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348874931 234690 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Interesting. < 1348874951 947772 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348875216 553150 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348875586 710008 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1348876486 981760 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348877408 475794 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348878392 636241 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-aqcjbfhzwtreqodm JOIN :#esoteric < 1348881316 215692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1348881353 455960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: In a situation where the client can get incoming packets but not receive outgoing packets, would mosh continue to work? < 1348881361 576435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For reading text, that is. < 1348882443 56098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote Cale.it < 1348882443 290742 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddarius says: Now I can just point people at a readable and relevant paper instead of having to Cale it. < 1348883056 991063 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348883385 780694 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.digipen.edu/?id=1170&proj=1470 < 1348883541 942846 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348884544 583078 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all this time I thought we were talking about postmodern analysis of junk mail delivery methods and simulations of elephant breeding patterns < 1348885039 747713 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348885273 498963 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348886056 146884 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com NICK :TodPunk < 1348886260 799293 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348888642 732663 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1348889569 628902 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ntpq -np with the GPS clock http://heh.fi/tmp/ntp-peers < 1348889872 168967 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spiffy. I should totally set myself up with a GPS clock sometime. < 1348889889 694563 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must be a weirdo: I actually care about having accurate time. < 1348889920 700051 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, everyone with an NTP server, please join the NTP pool. :-) http://www.pool.ntp.org/ < 1348889955 886291 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, my system is not publicly accessible. < 1348889965 951243 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaand not much of an NTP server. < 1348889977 235040 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though it is currently a stratum... 3? time source. < 1348889998 668542 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be fine for the pool. < 1348890135 578646 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, definitely a stratum 3 source. < 1348890256 459115 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1348890297 827624 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It amuses me that I own a time keeping device that would've been the envy of universities a few decades ago. < 1348890314 112608 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1348890718 261317 :evincar!~jon@173-228-13-253.dsl.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348891142 772383 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348893227 622431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348897724 595128 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1348900834 526263 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348900965 637792 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348901117 227957 :evincar!~jon@173-228-13-253.dsl.static.sonic.net PART :#esoteric < 1348901142 639505 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1348902493 485835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been thinking maybe I should hook my old Garmin to this box for timekeeping, because it hasn't really gotten any use lately, what with there being GPS in the phone too. < 1348902547 883168 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go for it (as long as it has a PPS output). < 1348902826 659176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hasn't generally been very indoor-use-capable, though. But I suppose I could always try it out. < 1348902875 674276 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1348902905 362069 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1348902931 463622 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surprisingly, my reception is fine 4–5 meters from the nearest window on the ground floor of a multiple-floor brick building. < 1348903466 421924 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1348904166 777348 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348904187 242862 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348904213 460123 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348905400 372296 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348905851 308634 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1348907433 436583 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Quit: kill -INT 1 < 1348907631 611301 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348908408 518367 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1348909044 540756 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348910620 314693 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Quit: Operating system upgrade < 1348910879 643583 :ion!ion@83.145.237.222 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348911479 914253 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348911737 46696 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1348917756 113888 :ion!ion@83.145.237.222 QUIT :Quit: OS upgrade, act II < 1348918043 553304 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348918266 424462 :ion_!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348918374 727810 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348918375 523341 :ion_!ion@heh.fi NICK :ion < 1348918614 991670 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348918642 142651 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348921237 72967 :xiaoding!~GaoMing@27.115.82.230 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348921677 777494 :xiaoding!~GaoMing@27.115.82.230 PART :#esoteric < 1348923710 750546 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348923831 268437 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1348925164 602940 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348925330 350745 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1348925958 809105 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WinRAR includes around a dozen standard filters that improve compression of several common inputs, but surprisingly also allows new filters to be defined at runtime by archives!" < 1348926215 239102 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAR has VM < 1348926270 785195 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/10nh6s/fun_with_constrained_programming_the_winrar_vm/ < 1348926282 455288 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the LoseThos guy is in that thread < 1348926315 178379 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as if it's the only compression format that uses a VM < 1348926329 379041 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't know much about compression formats < 1348927329 392183 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1348928681 838860 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348928708 529971 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1348929007 895978 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net NICK :atriq < 1348929010 129694 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1348929119 804322 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1348929313 644060 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-0-183.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1348932293 274090 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348932304 114605 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help i'm trapped in england < 1348932686 609753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348932722 677364 :yorick!~yorick@unaffiliated/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348933017 797909 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348933044 908757 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348933373 199081 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi PART :#esoteric < 1348934211 33635 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh when will the new Doctor Who be available < 1348934232 942127 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: Person decides that argument from authority is a good idea < 1348934241 368019 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it airs on sundays, doesn't it? < 1348934251 723211 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"but dont be picking apart that website, that guy has been doing computers and writing software for longer then youve been alive, no offense" < 1348934295 292286 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Nope, it airs today < 1348934299 704646 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:20 BST < 1348934308 697292 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will be on iplayer once it ends on TV < 1348934329 940706 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The episode is 45 minutes so it'll be around 20:05 BST < 1348934336 93820 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the bbc thing that only works from britain? < 1348934354 794277 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1348934577 673327 :oberon!5d259c41@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.37.156.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348934601 611352 :oberon!5d259c41@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.37.156.65 NICK :Guest38437 < 1348934605 194242 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares, if you're not in britain you don't deserve to get to watch the bbc < 1348934610 949876 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you filthy foreigner < 1348934657 832357 :Guest38437!5d259c41@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.37.156.65 QUIT :Client Quit < 1348934809 668708 :commodore_!5d259c41@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.37.156.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348934838 683605 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-0-183.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1348934924 749200 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1348934999 178789 :commodore_!5d259c41@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.37.156.65 QUIT :Client Quit < 1348936420 107052 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to reply to her < 1348936949 165552 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348938241 758172 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348939194 214356 :Dovregub1en!~kurt@c-67-160-13-34.hsd1.wa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1348939930 965195 :xiaoding!~GaoMing@27.115.82.226 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348939956 969279 :xiaoding!~GaoMing@27.115.82.226 PART :#esoteric < 1348940034 258909 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348941090 188131 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should learn to be more assertive. < 1348941113 349692 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__, why? < 1348941120 262127 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think saying "And, do you own this chat? If not, why should I be silent?" counts as assertive < 1348941194 703030 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I said "No offense." afterwards < 1348941874 824985 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, I feel like I'm pandering to someone who believes that, because her good friend made something, that thing is the be-all and end-all. < 1348941908 292943 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that no one else in the large Facebook group should look at anything else, and I shouldn't talk about alternatives in the group < 1348941918 66134 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, that's bad < 1348941932 6979 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a dream that I was Facebook friends with kmc < 1348941963 945338 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" if that is not good enough for you to us then please do your own thing and stop posting about it in this chat" < 1348942017 63106 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was called Kenneth or Keagan (I can't quite remember) McConaugh (give or take spelling) < 1348942116 751953 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: so my gp got me to see psychologist who works in the same building. so the guy asks me whats the biggest thing you would like to change or fix or whatever (i forget exact words), and i said something similar to " I think I should learn to be more assertive." < 1348942153 867887 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats my point? i understand where you're coming from < 1348942213 164824 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, i am starting to think assertiveness is largely a self help fantasy < 1348942257 797506 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well after we talked for a while he recognized that i had anxiety problems < 1348942324 239635 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what he wanted to do was teach me to make informed choices or something like that < 1348942326 866213 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :blahhhhhh < 1348942413 816454 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think she takes personal offense to even the slightest criticism of this thing < 1348942856 947277 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am an extremely unassertive person. but i think the phrase is not as helpful as it purports to be < 1348942970 665424 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1348943565 33532 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://assets.diylol.com/hfs/1f9/163/8ab/resized/socially-awkward-penguin-meme-generator-talk-to-girl-on-facebook-chat-they-start-typing-proceed-to-delete-everything-you-started-typing-until-they-send-3aee3a.jpg < 1348943568 588090 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348944222 899293 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that all the time < 1348944235 579283 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well I didn't click your link but the description seems pretty straightforward < 1348944254 315801 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I'll Cut what I was going to say < 1348944261 4095 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To paste it back in after I reply < 1348944275 954689 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I do that on irc < 1348944299 171781 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but facebook had this warning when the other person was typing < 1348944867 981064 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bluh < 1348944875 784409 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does New York law define "resident"? < 1348945067 305003 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, resident of a county < 1348945273 695679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as voting is concerned, at least, you "have the right to choose either one [of your multiple 'homes'] as their residence for voting purposes, as long as they have legitimate, significant and continuing attachments to the one they choose". < 1348945297 674912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I came across this bit in a blog just the other day.) < 1348945316 466153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For other purposes, I suppose the standard might well be different.) < 1348945433 781178 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm concerned about voting < 1348945457 847290 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't sure about "continuing" at this point < 1348945468 806167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I write things I'm sometimes reasonably sure I'm not even going to say, and then down-arrow to leave those in the input buffer, unsaid. < 1348945478 840596 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what if the home is technically uninhabitable at this point in time? < 1348945489 965891 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I haven't set foot in my parents' house for decades, but I feel attached to it" < 1348945525 835914 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess as long as a judge doesn't accuse you of treachery you're fine < 1348946332 33750 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1348946486 725503 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@137.205.52.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348946510 451053 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@137.205.52.68 NICK :Guest2596 < 1348946715 393863 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1348946754 741938 :Guest2596!~Phantom@137.205.52.68 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1348947313 937668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1348947619 519092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote and all this time I thought we were talking about postmodern analysis of junk mail delivery methods and simulations of elephant breeding patterns < 1348947630 693034 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :863) and all this time I thought we were talking about postmodern analysis of junk mail delivery methods and simulations of elephant breeding patterns < 1348947805 744100 :Phantom!~Phantom@137.205.52.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348947820 534869 :Phantom!~Phantom@137.205.52.68 QUIT :Client Quit < 1348947900 174472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :simulator alligator! < 1348947946 727743 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vi har ingen elediller eller krokofanter, men vi har en grevling i taket! < 1348947970 724950 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348948347 493533 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, going back to the other day, is your name pronounced "Pheentome"? < 1348948357 866205 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not < 1348948381 952927 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i am now in your 'eng' 'land' it is an odd place < 1348948388 183711 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which bit? < 1348948395 399542 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first thought was "aaaaaagh my eyes i should've brought shades" < 1348948397 851667 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coventry < 1348948405 978875 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A weird place indeed < 1348948412 549588 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you doing in Coventry? < 1348948426 647647 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being at university < 1348948431 178452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: oh that must have been the daystar! < 1348948433 36893 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably get some shades < 1348948439 616828 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get pointy anime one < 1348948440 311040 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1348948464 122535 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no because someone might read either homestuck or the thing homestuck got that off and then they would be insufferabl < 1348948467 345790 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*insufferable < 1348948479 413233 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, do you have that in norway < 1348948520 286018 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i see it lurking near the horizon when there's a parting in the clouds, its wan light a chilling warning < 1348948521 757525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the summer, yes < 1348948527 477714 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a warming warning < 1348948529 263612 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1348948733 187569 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you get confronted just say you got them because you thought they looked call < 1348948746 312192 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then they say they want you to watch TTGL < 1348948751 392383 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To which you say "piss offQ" < 1348948755 154963 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the Q < 1348948756 783667 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's important < 1348948760 889162 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And totally not a typo < 1348948819 725906 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1348948928 197428 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it wrong to feel sad that someone who is a bit too easily offended on others' behalves defriended me? < 1348948981 994792 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1348948985 753110 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean no < 1348949001 782303 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that probably depends on what you mean by "defriended" < 1348949006 892319 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe! I don't know! < 1348949007 996468 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah! < 1348949013 439692 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop asking me these questions! < 1348949119 211485 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: how much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? < 1348949147 503793 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A woodchuck wouldn't chuck any wood because a woodchuck wouldn't chuck wood! < 1348949151 211299 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a good friend with whom I went hiking on many occasions... last time we started together... and at some point we split and got home separately. that was more than three months ago and he won't talk to me... HE EVEN REFUSED TO DRINK A BEER I OFFERED which is probably the silliest thing ever to refuse!! < 1348949177 517493 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And he's hanging out with all his teetotal friends < 1348949215 837447 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was thinking maybe I should wait till christmas and buy him a present or something < 1348949228 729707 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could just buy him a present < 1348949240 13265 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrap it up nice < 1348949243 233582 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when he asks why < 1348949248 219111 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say it's because you miss him < 1348949272 629626 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird thing is, I still see him every now and then at the local game of go club - he's someone who jokes a lot, and last time he made a lot of joke about the game I was in the middle of, so we laughed together, yet he still won't talk to me < 1348949354 197988 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, thank you so much to OberoN, I kept trying to find what stack-based language I was thinking about all the time, and it turns out to be Ozone.) < 1348949374 917138 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1348949376 64925 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348949404 244865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1348949947 451312 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348950419 998331 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: a woodchuck would chuck as much wood as a woodchuck could if a woodchuck would chuck wood, I guess < 1348950445 617978 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway < 1348950453 776928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly -----### < 1348950458 2042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIDICULOUS < 1348950466 33966 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it wrong to feel absolutely terrified because someone fancies you? < 1348950521 421378 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: its actually surprisingly right < 1348950556 923833 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its one of those feelings normal people have < 1348950565 767130 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's relieving < 1348950568 453253 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I make it stop < 1348950589 963245 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually what the hell am i saying.. is the terror due to a lack of reciprocal feelings? < 1348950599 281561 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1348950604 652218 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no clue how to proceed < 1348950640 276677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok just find a good place to hide the body < 1348950765 562988 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: i think that... my brain wants to think about legend of zelda.. but... < 1348950778 528709 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's likely that she will get over you < 1348950791 423572 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :she won't be as hurt by not having you as you anticipate < 1348950824 30989 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh so i say.. but in another chatroom i am in is a guy terrified by a female stalker < 1348950852 202687 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is he my future self? < 1348950929 429809 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy talking to some random female who joined chatroom and says "Well, as long as this isn't karissa in disguise." < 1348950971 156712 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but its not so much paranoia because she does indeed go there looking for him < 1348951135 107012 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :no woman has ever truely fancied me. i don't know what it's like < 1348951247 835031 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine a female, English Gregor who is really creepy < 1348951258 189256 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a few years younger < 1348951380 69291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...does this include the fashion sense? < 1348951392 550825 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only to the extent of hats < 1348951421 707146 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not seen her wearing objects similar to the PANTS OF NARCISSUS < 1348951484 801701 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say your best option is to just do nothing... and curse your brain for doing this to you < 1348951539 369776 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348951566 20836 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348951634 629403 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348951636 103193 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Client Quit < 1348951643 628307 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348951687 372494 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, advise! < 1348951706 788796 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about what < 1348951713 199664 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This! < 1348951717 371088 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without reading the logs! < 1348951721 323489 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just advise! < 1348951740 631241 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blindly and naively! < 1348951757 546255 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Only the most ignorant may be truly wise." < 1348951764 354332 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry i read logs < 1348951810 164335 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1348951810 881498 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1348951813 403391 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok just think < 1348951818 123527 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'if gregor fancied me' < 1348951824 878139 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'what would scare him off' < 1348951830 486686 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1348951835 865211 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, any tips for atriq? < 1348951842 507273 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This reminds me of a quote < 1348951842 861893 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think this is good ideas? http://wiki.nesdev.com/w/index.php?title=User:Zzo38/DotFami&curid=818&diff=4701&oldid=4608 < 1348951849 79199 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fall in love < 1348951853 251823 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :604) Dammit, Gregor, this is not the time to fall in love \ 625) 678) Dammit, Gregor, this is not the time to fall in love 187) Gregor: You should never have got her pregnant. what whaaaaaaaaaaaat < 1348951882 363179 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1348951894 442005 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell her you should never have got her pregnant < 1348951913 962963 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something tells me that may not work < 1348951930 558196 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must seed the seeds of doubt < 1348951959 295252 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i get her pregnant? did i not? who am i anyway? the pronouns of this situation are so ambiguous! < 1348951967 932302 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who do i fancy anyway? i think it's gregor < 1348951980 517867 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: ok i have a theory < 1348951987 236218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1348951990 125108 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she flies to purdue, gets eaten by its giant mutant poultry, everyone else lives happily ever after < 1348952073 26256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: is that the "chicken out" solution? < 1348952080 301904 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1348952081 804428 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is < 1348952092 124094 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in seinfeld, george tried various attempts to escape susan < 1348952133 760481 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i'm getting adverts on gmail for greenwich college < 1348952174 673126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: http://lesswrong.com/lw/k9/the_logical_fallacy_of_generalization_from/ < 1348952181 263199 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we're all missing the point < 1348952187 602621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seemed relevant < 1348952192 520781 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a remote control helicopter < 1348952245 677713 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 3D glasses < 1348952256 273870 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no atriq < 1348952265 581886 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :she'll think you're stalking her and feel flattered < 1348952267 339535 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks oerjan < 1348952269 533376 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348952408 56696 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348952424 218510 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348952578 872125 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: its almost impossible to end up in a relationship with a woman without actually wanting it. so your actual fears are irrational < 1348952643 70259 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm are you sure of that? < 1348952650 140291 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about if your parents forced you to marry her < 1348952659 970178 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh humm < 1348952676 480218 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not familiar with that kind of situation but I'm assuming you would have to get in some sort of relationship with her < 1348952699 533335 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that would suck < 1348952730 756097 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what if she's blackmailing you < 1348952766 122307 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR WHAT IF YOU CAN'T ESCAPE BECAUSE THE FLOOR IS LAVA < 1348952804 62987 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm.... ok ok .. logically it is possible to be forced into a relationship with a woman without wanting it < 1348952838 119483 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even unlikely - she could be your colleague < 1348952868 82437 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I don't know how close you need to be to be called "in a relationship", but if you have to spend 8 hours a day working with her... < 1348952868 277031 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, and you're vulcanologists < 1348952910 501358 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: problem is, she's probably not aware the floor is lava, so it'd be very hard for you to escape but very easy for her to follow you < 1348952930 255703 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty shitty vulcanologist then < 1348952971 845471 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I ask you, WHO would want to be in a relationship with a girl who refuses to acknowledge that the floor is lava?? < 1348953049 722534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey it'll be a short relationship, anyway < 1348953056 313268 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all of us demand vulcanology in a partner < 1348953133 534940 :Toni_Funchal!~Toni_Func@83-223-164-117.cpe.netmadeira.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1348953138 607624 :Toni_Funchal!~Toni_Func@83-223-164-117.cpe.netmadeira.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1348953157 451422 :Toni_Funchal!~Toni_Func@83-223-164-117.cpe.netmadeira.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there someone to talk? < 1348953174 843393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Toni_Funchal < 1348953177 748496 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Toni_Funchal: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1348953183 253421 :Toni_Funchal!~Toni_Func@83-223-164-117.cpe.netmadeira.com PART :#esoteric < 1348953188 123089 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum < 1348953322 71942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://blog.cmpxchg8b.com/2012/09/fun-with-constrained-programming.html < 1348953324 920430 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348953644 235933 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there something called "constraint programming"? "constrained programming" sounds more like an oulipo thing < 1348953664 593555 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like making palindrome programs) < 1348953668 628537 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348953714 193144 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Toni_Fuchal could have soon become an esolang enthusiast and prove eodermdrome tc within two monthes < 1348953735 967391 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no you had to be 0.1 second too late on the `welcome command! < 1348953739 627993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already proved eodermdrome tc, thank you very much < 1348953744 535610 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1348953759 599934 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then who needs Toni_Fuchal < 1348953796 609423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we just need someone to implement it so the proof can be tested < 1348953813 477673 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, I knew that! I just momentarily forgot it!) < 1348953832 677077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :suuuuure < 1348953872 307600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to write something but the housemate started coughing < 1348953886 619636 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I swear, that "A version including ascii drawing of relevant subgraphs" sentence sounds very very familiar < 1348953938 609735 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps you saw it last time you read the article < 1348953944 281762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, now accusing me of plagiarism! < 1348953975 930044 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am not! please believe what Phantom__Hoover says < 1348954019 492074 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :always believe what Phantom__Hoover says < 1348954020 864537 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :give in < 1348954049 736047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry, but i cannot trust a known hatheist < 1348954062 469399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: nice < 1348954096 979793 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you can't prove a damn thing! < 1348954108 774341 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what is hatheist? < 1348954121 538008 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the hatheist < 1348954129 270099 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my greatest work... never to be < 1348954182 168164 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Hatheist lists two kinds of hatheists < 1348954233 333048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: this refers to neither, although it may be a subset of both < 1348954245 108511 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1348954302 281950 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scene: it is a warm summer's day in scotland, although one obscured by cloud and the fact that it is september < 1348954325 889657 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pope is on a tour of the uk, and is passing through edinburgh for some reason < 1348954362 705077 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a moment of gregorian fancy siezes me and i can think only of his hat, and how i long to have it for my own < 1348954369 625281 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so begins and ends operation hatheist < 1348954422 596347 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :had it gone according to plan i would have at least two pope hats in my possession, along with finally getting excommunicated from the church < 1348954434 879915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote the scene: it is a warm summer's day in scotland, although one obscured by cloud and the fact that it is september < 1348954437 656898 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :864) the scene: it is a warm summer's day in scotland, although one obscured by cloud and the fact that it is september < 1348954440 210830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1348954442 876571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1348954445 973237 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1348954455 40642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote the scene: it is a warm summer's day in scotland, although one obscured by cloud and the fact that it is september < 1348954458 678057 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :864) the scene: it is a warm summer's day in scotland, although one obscured by cloud and the fact that it is september < 1348954651 589418 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say I can't be excommunicated but then I remembered I can be excommunicated < 1348954886 81972 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1348954994 151660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1348955007 555000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with latae sententiae, you already may be! < 1348955104 193553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a person who uses physical force against the Pope;" < 1348955283 512860 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348955537 556254 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: are you the object of gregorian fancy? < 1348955564 462974 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the object of the alternate universe gregorian fancy < 1348955583 914981 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gregor of hexham < 1348956323 822711 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone at #jollamobile got a great idea. build a bomb shelter out of nokia 3310s < 1348956347 78533 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348956368 307118 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348956720 649481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a 3110 a long time, and was therefore envious of friends with 5110s or 6110s: they had Snake (or whatever it was called), and infrared. < 1348956750 901306 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348956992 826689 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348956993 21456 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348957010 919964 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348957663 950124 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, i remember when my parents had 3110s < 1348957722 933574 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use 3110 currently < 1348957747 142636 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad always called it a noikia no matter how many times i corrected him < 1348957754 250278 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1348957781 258109 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should build a phone and label it NOIKIA < 1348957831 875039 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they upgraded to something new but i don't seem to be able to find it < 1348957834 393872 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like protesting against affordable furniture < 1348957840 298355 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that would be NOIKEA < 1348957855 993707 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't have an arial and it had an ir thing on the top < 1348957896 501230 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually come to think of it they mustn't've had 3110s because i distinctly remember playing snake on those and being like "omg this is the next generation" when i played snake on their new phones < 1348957906 833922 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds "build my own phone" to the list of things to do at some point in his life < 1348957913 561323 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvxvba forang! < 1348957945 680822 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: how long is that list? < 1348957981 231202 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is very long, but I have never put it on paper and I can never remember more than three items at a time so one could say it is never longer than three items < 1348957998 536229 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however I do recall that it involves a lot of building stuff < 1348958003 743340 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember playing snake on my dad's black and white motorola "flip" phone way back when < 1348958018 659151 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why "flip"? < 1348958025 259722 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds "dispose of to-do list before everything on it has been done" to his to-do list < 1348958028 283895 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember my first and current until yesterday phone being one of those < 1348958035 504995 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was awestruck by it when i got it too < 1348958042 361718 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i was disappointed at the lack of snake < 1348958050 674306 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: but then if you do complete it a paradox will happen!! < 1348958063 928897 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it didn't fold in half the microphone flipped down in a thin plastic thing that came only halfway up it, and the rest was in the main body of the phone < 1348958064 433619 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, bye < 1348958078 46433 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: that's dr. turing to you, punk < 1348958204 312224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I wanted to do some day is make up a Famicom hardware clone with 60-pins, Famicom expansion port, NES controller ports, with an extra pin on second port (detached from the others so that you can connect devices that don't have it) used for microphone, and internal ROM which is activated when no cartridge is inserted. < 1348958289 785977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then it come with: player 1 controller, player 2 controller (including microphone and SELECT and START button), keyboard, 72-to-60 adapter, manual for programming it, and a cartridge to program with your own software to test it. < 1348958319 497244 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd buy that < 1348958357 12535 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day i will (not) build a mechanical game of life cell and waste away staring at its beauty < 1348958382 958015 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so you can play famicom with new controllers? < 1348958397 309977 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nes < 1348958415 853081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would buy that too. So, if I ever make that, I wil tell you, so that you can buy it too. < 1348958439 561885 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: how is mechanical game of life created? < 1348958457 170716 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, cogs and stuff < 1348958482 124672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: One reason for having this is so that you can replace the controllers; the protocol is the same except the microphone (which is why I want to add an extra pin to the second port). < 1348958506 936687 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :electromechanical would be pretty easy but completely mechanical seems pretty hard < 1348958532 252134 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :a watchmaker could do it < 1348958564 651189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The microphone is read on the first port even though it is on the second controller, the extra pin on the second port is actually connected internally to the first register. < 1348959147 353356 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1348959152 837927 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this proof involves sets of sets of sets < 1348959339 3632 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty tame < 1348959368 570858 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can a set contain itself? < 1348959673 178669 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the null set contains itself < 1348959700 235539 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: no < 1348959703 237721 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1348959705 103994 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: thankfully < 1348959705 494299 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1348959726 386271 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am proving that every infinite subset has two disjoint subsets that are equinumerous to the original set < 1348959730 823756 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the null set is the flattening of the set containing the null set < 1348959786 446335 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :could we not define a set that contains only one set which is itself? < 1348959918 442956 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Zermelo-Frankel set theory does not allow such sets due to the Axiom of Foundation/Regularity. There are non well-founded set theories, which typically replace the Axiom of Foundation with some statement that implies the negation of foundation. The Anti-Foundation Axiom comes to mind. < 1348959927 963289 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight! < 1348959928 157845 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the simplest example of a non well-founded set is [the thing i just described]" < 1348959930 135075 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348960034 862843 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348961400 922034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell atriq Can a set contain itself? <-- NO FAIR ASKING SUCH QUESTIONS JUST BEFOR QUITTING. Also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axiom_of_regularity < 1348961401 154780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1348961416 394551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell atriq *+E < 1348961416 590069 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1348961542 894457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am proving that every infinite subset has two disjoint subsets that are equinumerous to the original set <-- how does that involve sets of sets of sets? < 1348961841 273514 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348961868 252839 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1348962325 927359 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348962337 425806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eek, the evil car is back < 1348962340 515635 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :In ZFC, no set contains itself. You can create a "definition" of such a set, but your "definition" won't actually define anything. < 1348962403 276044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell atriq Also, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-well-founded_set_theory < 1348962403 470945 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1348962793 626310 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: > let k = 15 ; mns :: [[Int]] ; mns = [ [ abs (complement (m .&. n)) | m <- [0..k] ] | n <- [0..k] ] in intercalate "\n" $ map (concat . map (\n -> if 1 == n then "X" else " ")) mns < 1348962801 441667 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoops :D < 1348962806 920052 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The suggested method, which I am using, involves breaking the set into infinite countable subsets, with Zorn's lemma. Thus I am working on the collection of all sets of countable subsets of X. < 1348962807 639583 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let k = 15 ; mns :: [[Int]] ; mns = [ [ abs (complement (m .&. n)) | m <- [0..k] ] | n <- [0..k] ] in intercalate "\n" $ map (concat . map (\n -> if 1 == n then "X" else " ")) mns < 1348962809 484105 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX\nX X X X X X X X \nXX XX XX XX \nX X X X \nXX... < 1348962812 621118 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo < 1348962818 916878 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let k = 15 ; mns :: [[Int]] ; mns = [ [ abs (complement (m .&. n)) | m <- [0..k] ] | n <- [0..k] ] in text $ intercalate "\n" $ map (concat . map (\n -> if 1 == n then "X" else " ")) mns < 1348962820 804930 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX < 1348962820 999895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : X X X X X X X X < 1348962821 105 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : XX XX XX XX < 1348962821 212 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : X X X X < 1348962821 318 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : XXX... < 1348962844 307869 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sierpinski triangle :D < 1348962847 581489 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do one with /\ < 1348962864 59018 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :with what < 1348962921 340133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let k = 15 ; mns :: [[Int]] ; mns = [ [ abs (complement (m .&. n)) | m <- [0..k] ] | n <- [0..k] ] in text . reverse $ intercalate "\n" $ map (concat . map (\n -> if 1 == n then "X" else " ")) mns < 1348962923 278516 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : X < 1348962923 472693 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : XX < 1348962923 472927 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : X X < 1348962923 473037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : XXXX < 1348962923 473208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1348963036 96539 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt it cool tho? < 1348963055 536915 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just nand of NxN < 1348963096 493620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let k = 15 ; mns :: [[Int]] ; mns = [ [ abs (complement (m .&. n)) | m <- [0..k] ] | n <- [0..k] ] in text . reverse . unlines $ map (map (" X" !!)) mns < 1348963098 420458 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.(!!): index too large < 1348963103 363850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1348963137 454376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t complement < 1348963138 437643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (Bits a) => a -> a < 1348963178 678116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are there indices other than 0 and 1 in there... < 1348963305 821007 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1348963352 259277 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1348963361 601219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see it now < 1348963385 608633 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually its (1 ==) . nand < 1348963392 958168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the abs? < 1348963433 504441 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Int is signed, so if you flip all the bits, you flip the sign < 1348963434 833903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1348963447 821380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but... < 1348963460 872870 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but? < 1348963479 306923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let k = 15 ; mns :: [[Int]] ; mns = [ [ abs (complement (m .&. n)) | m <- [0..k] ] | n <- [0..k] ] in text . reverse $ intercalate "\n" $ map (concat . map (\n -> case n of 1 -> "X"; -1 -> "Y"; _ -> " ")) mns < 1348963481 265355 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : X < 1348963481 460289 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : XX < 1348963481 460380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : X X < 1348963481 460426 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : XXXX < 1348963481 460470 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1348963488 174698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1348963496 456787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let k = 15 ; mns :: [[Int]] ; mns = [ [ complement (m .&. n) | m <- [0..k] ] | n <- [0..k] ] in text . reverse $ intercalate "\n" $ map (concat . map (\n -> case n of 1 -> "X"; -1 -> "Y"; _ -> " ")) mns < 1348963498 324809 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Y < 1348963498 519155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : YY < 1348963498 519232 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Y Y < 1348963498 519278 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : YYYY < 1348963498 519347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1348963517 953265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok no apparent 1's... < 1348963574 985318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let k = 15 ; mns :: [[Int]] ; mns = [ [ complement (m .&. n) | m <- [0..k] ] | n <- [0..k] ] in 'X' `elem` (concat $ intercalate "\n" $ map (concat . map (\n -> case n of 1 -> "X"; -1 -> "Y"; _ -> " ")) mns) < 1348963575 766872 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348963576 2739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[a]' < 1348963576 197784 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : against inferred type `GHC.Types... < 1348963620 506631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let k = 15 ; mns :: [[Int]] ; mns = [ [ complement (m .&. n) | m <- [0..k] ] | n <- [0..k] ] in 'X' `elem` (intercalate "\n" $ map (concat . map (\n -> case n of 1 -> "X"; -1 -> "Y"; _ -> " ")) mns) < 1348963622 508830 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1348963627 582906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok there are none < 1348963643 998017 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there couldnt be any < 1348963654 131246 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :n > 0 has initial 0 in the bits < 1348963689 261778 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1348963690 504478 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :point is < 1348963695 190278 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how cool is that < 1348963705 138342 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1 ==) . nand gets you sierpinski's triangle < 1348963718 906798 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :check out The Philosophical Computer < 1348963732 863182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let k = 15 ; mns :: [[Int]] ; mns = [ [ m .&. n | m <- [0..k] ] | n <- [0..k] ] in text $ intercalate "\n" $ map (concat . map (\n -> case n of 0 -> "X"; _ -> " ")) mns < 1348963734 720176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX < 1348963734 914653 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : X X X X X X X X < 1348963734 914852 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : XX XX XX XX < 1348963734 914976 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : X X X X < 1348963734 915085 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : XXX... < 1348963804 632694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit simpler < 1348963934 907799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let k = 15 ; mns :: [[Int]] ; mns = [ [ m .&. n | m <- [0..k] ] | n <- [0..k] ] in text $ intercalate "\n " $ map (map (\n -> case n of 0 -> 'X'; _ -> ' ')) mns < 1348963936 8163 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX < 1348963936 202984 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : X X X X X X X X < 1348963936 203158 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : XX XX XX XX < 1348963936 203331 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : X X X X < 1348963936 203437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1348963974 640949 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1348964016 556088 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1348964070 895066 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that (0 ==) . and < 1348964071 126764 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1348964078 113923 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1348964084 573336 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1348964090 45890 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it makes sense < 1348964090 965325 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1348964124 925261 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the really interesting thing is that these are the nand/and tautologies/contradictions for all propositions < 1348964327 317584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1348964373 489695 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348964465 601911 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder. In NFU, is there a function f whose domain is the set of all non-empty sets, and whose image is the set of all singleton sets, such that for all non-empty sets S, f(S) is a subset of S? < 1348964559 341952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely recall new foundations is incompatible with axiom of choice < 1348964562 988309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1348964568 809563 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: NFU *has* the axiom of choice. < 1348964593 580641 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, fuck < 1348964610 425566 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, there is. Consider the set P = { { (S, {x}), x in S}, S is non-empty }. P is a set of pairwise disjoint non-empty sets. < 1348964673 211502 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, there is a set C, called a choice set from P, which contains exactly one element of each element of P. In other words, for all non-empty sets S, C contains a pair of the form (S, {x}), where x is in S. < 1348964688 433765 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So C is the "universal choice function" we're after. < 1348964734 460879 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: wikipedia says that it disproves choice < 1348964748 331594 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Wikipedia says that NFU disproves choice? < 1348964800 649917 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: yes, because there is no function x \mapsto {x} < 1348964807 780460 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is required to avoid Cantor's Paradox < 1348964814 681318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Much of this entry discusses NFU, an important variant of NF due to Jensen (1969) and exposited in Holmes (1998)." < 1348964835 83434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then wikipedia proceeds not to define NFU properly... < 1348964858 298719 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :/ < 1348964891 666137 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah wait < 1348964894 5502 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :based on reading < 1348964898 151646 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I guess I can believe that NFU disproves one *formulation* of the axiom of choice. < 1348964900 209062 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NF disproves choice, but NFU is not a strict superset < 1348964903 501899 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :of NF < 1348964909 312029 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1348964913 561461 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1348964915 913279 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :carry on < 1348964930 993535 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1348964940 449507 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I wonder if we can go the other way: given this universal choice function, can we prove the axiom of choice? < 1348964982 325437 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :For all non-empty S, let f(S) be a singleton subset of S. Is it true that "for each set P of pairwise disjoint non-empty sets, there is a set C, called a choice set from P, which contains exactly one element of each element of P"? < 1348965015 870040 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm not mistaken, the answer is yes: let C be the union of f(T) for all T in P. < 1348965549 793520 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really seems like given stratified comprehension as an axiom, NFU has very few other axioms. < 1348965580 504144 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are probably a couple of axioms so "obvious" I've completely forgotten them, like extensionality. < 1348965622 705816 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But given that stratified comprehension is the "basic" axiom and the ones I've forgotten are "obvious" axioms, the only axiom I've seen so far that is neither basic nor obvious is the axiom of choice. < 1348965747 677788 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348965954 781478 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well comprehension, extensionality and choice are afair the only axioms of naive set theory < 1348965963 161810 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1348965971 786329 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't aware that naive set theory had choice as an axiom. < 1348966016 367216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you cannot obviously deduce it (without going through the actual inconsistencies :P) < 1348966040 661522 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, here's another neither-basic-nor-obvious axiom. < 1348966085 116002 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If n is a natural number, let S be a set of cardinality n, and let 1 -> S be the set of all singleton subsets of S. < 1348966091 256839 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then n = |S| = |1 -> S|. < 1348966108 784904 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The n = |S| part is obvious, of course, but |S| = |1 -> S| is not. < 1348966171 692446 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can this axiom also be expressed as the existence of a function? Yeah, I think so. < 1348966210 870326 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the function { (x, {x}), x is a natural number }, isn't it? < 1348966295 343554 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348966399 939471 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION loves Zorn's lemma < 1348966536 756556 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eats zorn's lemon < 1348966691 850110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION peels a bananach algebra < 1348966723 342192 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :One more NBNO axiom. The Axiom of Small Ordinals: "For any sentence phi in the language of set theory, there is a set S such that for all x, x is a small ordinal such that phi iff (x in A and x is a small ordinal)." < 1348966727 598432 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :...what? < 1348966931 866984 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. If phi is a statement about small ordinals, then there is a set A such that each small ordinal is in A if and only if it satisfies phi. < 1348967147 982654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1348967417 102793 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like there's exactly one NBNO axiom remaining, the Axiom of Large Ordinals. < 1348968334 724363 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1348969064 991619 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348969342 756720 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1348969976 242614 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :*.net *.split < 1348970178 169891 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348970285 844766 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1348970804 538356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1348972895 848886 :evincar!~jon@173-228-12-215.dsl.dynamic.sonic.net PART :#esoteric < 1348973209 85837 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :help my brain < 1348973304 380174 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can we help it? < 1348973321 682558 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :haealp < 1348973325 495433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: In what way? What help? < 1348973357 142839 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so Forsome takes [S], a box of a type. That type is S. It then takes f, a function taking a box of an S, and returning a type. It finally returns a box of a type. < 1348973372 532822 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type of Forsome is an expression involving Forsome. < 1348973413 332740 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its first argument is [Box [Type]], which is a box of type, and also is the expression for the phrase "a box of a type". < 1348973452 897599 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric : itidus21: http://lesswrong.com/lw/k9/the_logical_fallacy_of_generalization_from/ <-- the thing to remember though is that inspite of what is true and what isn't, science keeps developing more and more dangerous things, due to it's unwitting constant participation in arms races < 1348973456 986765 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It then takes f, a function taking a box of an S, and returning a type. What is "an S"? Well, S = Box [Type], so "an S" is a box of a type. < 1348973477 862876 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly i haven't read the article itself yet, and it's not necessarily denying that < 1348973479 662950 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So f (here) is a function taking a box of a box of a type, and returning a type. < 1348973581 771253 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is f? It's the function taking [[S]] (a box of a box of a type) and returning the type "a function taking a box of an S, and returning a type" (a type). < 1348973608 376304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :describing types in english is so cumbersome, if only someone had invented a concise symbolic syntax for them < 1348973642 742298 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And modified the human brain to make that symbolic syntax as easy to understand as English, in all cases. < 1348973650 388664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a box of a type? < 1348973673 232944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah because the english sentences one produces this way are so easy to understand < 1348973676 557796 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: for all type S, a "box of an S" is a one-element set whose element is an S. < 1348973780 825238 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The distinction is important in NFU. < 1348973795 50809 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still do not understand very well. < 1348973810 487476 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I haven't given you any of the context. < 1348973818 505274 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1348973827 561214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that is why < 1348974307 447252 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello log reader! i know that theres plenty of things wrong with what i'm saying. i haven't been awake very long and i had some kind of nightmare. < 1348974339 574881 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of nightmare? The kind of nightmare with plenty of things wrong with what you are saying? < 1348974555 276768 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one where i'm in an alternate universe where haskell curry joined the circus, and all of programming was affected < 1348974570 749838 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: that was my fault. I'm sorry. < 1348974766 149685 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1348974787 352599 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah it was the one where marty mcfly travels to a future which is dominated by something more exciting than the internet < 1348974806 583311 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^world wide web sorry < 1348974830 562760 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1348975095 258027 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or being chased through a kafkaesque maze by a female gregor < 1348975121 482449 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've had some REALLY interesting mentions on this channel of late >_> < 1348975129 482228 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope female me has hair as fabulous as male me. < 1348975193 215267 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One hopes. < 1348975226 721931 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i think she dresses like tom baker < 1348975234 570417 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though you don't < 1348975254 773640 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^i think < 1348975323 330873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something like http://subterfugue.org/ but working on modern linux < 1348976129 873690 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-0-183.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1348976565 609408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is https://github.com/dustin/labrea which is a bit different, but also very cool < 1348977023 97519 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the Ptolemaic just intonation to work with Famicom with the exact ratios in all octaves (if using equal temperament, you get approximate ratios which are less precise in higher octaves). < 1348977561 459912 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cue ominous choral music < 1348978404 236584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What ominous choral music? < 1348980513 858440 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"行今if君欲it、an他界a待s君。為不君呉上onit、君噛the手that餌s君。" Okay, English written with Chinese characters is really silly looking. < 1348980690 177922 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"行 今 if 君 欲 it、an 他界 a待s 君。為不 君 呉 上 on it、君 噛 the 手 that 餌s 君。" < 1348980695 887350 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And only slightly less strange space'd < 1348980744 752409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it say? < 1348980760 37451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate gives pinyin but i can't read it as english < 1348980784 868318 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Go now if you want it, an otherworld awaits you. Don't you give up on it, you bite the hand that feeds you." First couple lines of "Otherworld", from the FFX soundtrack. < 1348980789 489180 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random boredom. < 1348980795 36153 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, that song! < 1348980807 97035 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't thought about that song in, like, 10 years < 1348980809 925129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good one though < 1348980820 489709 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda partial to Uematsu music. < 1348980823 612695 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1348980827 67049 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if english written with arabic alphabet works ok < 1348980846 195029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do so many cool things with arabic letters, typographically / calligraphically speaking < 1348980885 422452 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it weren't for the random has-to-be-alphabetic bits, English in Chinese characters basically works. Except, of course, you really need to know your characters to do it. < 1348980911 85723 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, that whole phrase only repeats 君... < 1348981349 683058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :naming stuff is hard < 1348981354 816977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a good way to name things < 1348981393 120935 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Throw the Scrabble tiles on the floor, whichever ones land face up, mixed up their order and use that as their name. < 1348981412 574148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fresh < 1348981412 768637 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahr < 1348981997 601139 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1348984914 954309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up Famicom Hangman it works so far! Only things left to add is tme limit and 7166 more phrases (I already have 514). < 1348984968 333063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Some people name programs after Italian foods. < 1348985005 33579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that is one way. < 1348985512 799077 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have phrases (single words is also OK) to add to Famicom Hangman you can suggested it. Rules are: Maximum length is 32 (but recommended maximum 30; text is centered and the edge is outside of the NTSC safe area). Letters (all converted to uppercase, although input is case-insensitive), digits, spaces, and some punctuation is allowed: - , . ? ! / & ' " < 1348985528 350491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nine kinds of punctuation) < 1348985563 202221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, : and ; are also allowed, making eleven kinds of punctuation) < 1348985579 955035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, and also parentheses, I forgot that. < 1348988164 307328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using chrome element inspector to fix typographical errors in the page i'm reading < 1348988493 881555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you tell it to save the changes, though? < 1348989868 410343 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348989910 579383 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a dream that I was playing a sidescrolling platformer/shoot-em-up with randomly generated levels < 1348989910 774474 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1348990041 208847 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but was it good < 1348990053 264980 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't very good at it < 1348990085 471672 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had lava and turrets < 1348990089 680370 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait < 1348990094 851383 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They weren't turrets < 1348990097 662875 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were people < 1348990114 883985 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean < 1348990147 308526 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :were there people shaped like turrets? did a wizard turn people into turrets? < 1348990169 420543 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means they were people who acted like turrets < 1348990175 219970 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. standing still shooting at me < 1348990194 789320 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they had bad legs < 1348990204 395005 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1348990792 13571 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1348990934 947171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348992297 601503 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348992313 718358 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348992553 983922 :Indecipherable!~Indeciphe@41.30.67.68 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348992806 548594 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1348992906 215572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348992999 514796 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-188-237.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1348993433 143594 :Indecipherable!~Indeciphe@41.30.67.68 QUIT :Quit: used jmIrc < 1348993843 830994 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348994061 776362 :barts!~barts@p57AEA1EF.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1348994088 526124 :barts!~barts@p57AEA1EF.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi guys < 1348994136 250094 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1348994140 246667 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome barts < 1348994151 503554 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :barts: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1348994223 247718 :barts!~barts@p57AEA1EF.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hi < 1348994225 805476 :barts!~barts@p57AEA1EF.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1348994272 114078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1348994448 578431 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1348997056 900863 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348997076 419129 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did I think it would be a good idea to port mcmap to Haskell < 1348997302 257679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1348997863 699257 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask fizzie If I, in the near future, were to ask you questions regarding the implementation of mcmap, could you easily answer them? < 1348997863 894022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1348997871 248616 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1348998050 102931 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :because doing what normal people would consider useless things is highly esoteric < 1348998271 141361 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1348998373 120114 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think just as images can be stored as lossy and lossless, maybe programs can be stored as lossy and lossless < 1348998581 200919 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be honest i think its the sort of nonsense zzo38 might have a cogent opinion on < 1348999862 148365 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1349000340 461514 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1349000353 945685 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1349000596 300739 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1349001008 740984 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1349001401 18031 :aloril_!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1349002354 724599 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1349002514 177641 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1349003291 823993 :barts_!~barts@p57AEBCE6.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1349003483 398139 :barts!~barts@p57AEA1EF.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1349003757 464537 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1349003766 724680 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallo < 1349004183 743296 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1349004483 756514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1349004578 434129 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ggggh the coffee maker is full of delicious coffee < 1349004583 566699 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love coffee < 1349004591 87991 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't < 1349004593 455488 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coffee is bad < 1349004595 242509 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are ba < 1349004596 111881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1349004596 306774 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if I drink coffee I won't be able to sleep tonight < 1349005868 463693 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1349006132 339497 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1349006320 181620 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1349006320 376473 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1349006324 47562 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1349006351 465566 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@massages < 1349006351 698674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages. < 1349007009 595944 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell < 1349007038 574829 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internet connection in these halls has an upstream more than twice as fast as the downstream < 1349007072 868320 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol < 1349007102 88455 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They got the package that says "we're hosting a bunch of websites! Yay" < 1349008126 325851 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They say you're not allowed t run servers too, it makes no sense < 1349008150 732049 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How... how do they know if you're running a server? < 1349008155 32641 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1349008164 367863 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's loads of ways they can know if you're running a server < 1349008176 854305 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Coventry University has an evil plan to take over the world < 1349008371 148722 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they're gonna use all the upload speed to take over the internet < 1349008389 737860 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1349008397 937258 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason this doesn't make sense is because the philosophy department created the plan and nobody can be bothered to shut them up < 1349008692 894318 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blaxxun. Y U NO EXIST ANYMORE? < 1349010523 206703 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1349010523 928609 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1349010527 966483 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What number's opaque? < 1349010531 620417 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :255? < 1349010531 815099 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0? < 1349011538 286679 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1349011713 580019 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're not sure, go with 127.5. < 1349011713 778892 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :−42 < 1349012052 901802 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Java, Math.OPAQUE < 1349013115 468497 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1349013719 102594 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1349014413 366821 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-116-150.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1349015782 306834 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-0-183.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1349016723 108389 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is "whitespace" invariable? < 1349019807 604849 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1349019866 739091 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1349020254 368781 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1349020308 963460 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-26.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1349020315 395307 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-26.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1349020377 950220 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-12.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1349020391 623877 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-26.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Wikipedia, programming language pages have this side bar thing which shows some basic but useful information (paradigms, creator, year of creation etc.); maybe we could do this on the esolangs wiki too? < 1349020402 466649 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1349020402 661078 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1349020440 688659 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1349020441 263467 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1349020582 358691 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1349020822 882518 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1349020854 330975 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1349020894 514110 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1349020968 852340 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-26.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe it's called an "info box" < 1349021636 82409 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A couple of photos from the GPS receiver connected to my NTP server. http://imgur.com/a/WtaOp < 1349022082 335884 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: maybe bf derivatives should have their own infoboxes. < 1349022573 619592 :AnotherTest1!~tim@94-224-22-26.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1349022574 75405 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-26.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1349022782 550630 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1349023188 198301 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1349023513 518913 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1349023556 862306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1349023819 844896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ultimate GPS Breakout" is kind of an impressive name, I'll give it that. < 1349023820 118243 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1349023824 464852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1349023824 660121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq asked 7h 12m 41s ago: If I, in the near future, were to ask you questions regarding the implementation of mcmap, could you easily answer them? < 1349023845 470836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell atriq That really depends on the questions. < 1349023845 666598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1349023860 943832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell atriq With a nonzero likelihood, yes, I suppose. < 1349023861 138680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1349024183 377933 :AnotherTest1!~tim@94-224-22-26.access.telenet.be NICK :AnotherTest < 1349024258 420031 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-26.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Perhaps that could be a field in the input box? "Derived from:"/"Derivative of:" < 1349024326 702376 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I was thinking of mappings from 8 BF primitives to derivative codes < 1349024606 926172 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-26.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*info box < 1349024749 554103 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-26.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any wiki admins interested in this idea? < 1349025061 871301 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-26.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask ais523 On Wikipedia, programming language pages have "info boxes" which show some basic but useful information. Maybe we could do this on the esolangs wiki too? (To give you an idea of the information that the boxes would contain; I was thinking of: paradigms, creator, year of creation, derived from, influenced by, influenced, specification, reference implementation etc. < 1349025062 102536 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1349025242 592146 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT : < 1349026949 963064 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1349026955 851135 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: congratulations on your IOCCC win < 1349027034 562633 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks < 1349027059 963572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1349027083 467058 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was actually in hurry and ended up with reusing a year old code (very subtly modified though) < 1349027108 213203 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I never thought that it would win < 1349027147 346655 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is yours? < 1349027180 71493 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best short program: Seonghoon Kang - Decodes spelled out numbers < 1349028745 908363 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1349029046 171598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1349029092 267073 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-116-150.as43234.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1349029116 265433 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where’s the source? < 1349029133 112402 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-116-150.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1349029601 974344 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1349029852 949095 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1349030014 431791 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1349030527 659407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1349030710 982071 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1349031089 782111 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1349032231 305170 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I wrote down your idea for a "trigger" operator http://esolangs.org/wiki/Kkipple < 1349032303 98518 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also included an "execute" stack which executes its content as Kkipple code when triggered, though I'm not sure it really fits with the rest of the language < 1349032532 198964 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1349033653 164068 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-22-26.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1349033917 872787 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1349033918 818970 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1349033947 599957 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1349033991 816859 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1349034008 250585 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1349034172 621134 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I thought the @ stack could be used not only to ease outputting numbers, but for input as well < 1349034217 201550 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I made it that pushing a number onto it would push the ascii codes of its digits instead, and triggering it would merge the digits inside into a number < 1349034303 240382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1349034315 233515 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem is, getting digits from input into it is kind of hard, for instance if input is '1', io>@* will actually make the number 49 and not 1 < 1349034364 90312 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simplest solution seems to have two different stacks, one for turning digits into a number, and one for turning a number into digits < 1349034390 267106 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe only one stack, but triggering it would toggle it between the two roles < 1349034395 503060 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello oerjan < 1349034398 671807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1349034444 539704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brain is unlikely to be of help today because the housemate has a cold and is constantly talking in the phone < 1349034453 251594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*one housemate < 1349034535 474073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means, by synchronicity, that any mathematical chain of thought is 100% likely to be interrupted by unbearable noise. < 1349034573 673278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The close the door < 1349034593 820087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the door is closed. the walls are "paper thin". < 1349034664 113781 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you open the door, though, the thinness of the walls won't matter any longer! < 1349034721 716904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i discovered to my surprise the walls actually _do_ stop the other housemate's music, probably because he has no real bass speaker. < 1349034750 296578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, most of the time. < 1349034913 79832 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1349034916 522338 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey folks < 1349034938 616344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: hey you cannot speak, it's untraditional! < 1349034966 610936 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, except fuck you < 1349034973 302367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait a minute, have you been gone? it's hard to tell when you never speak. < 1349034978 456201 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck you in the ass with a big rubber dick! < 1349034985 488453 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed PC < 1349034991 911562 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I had to turn down the IRC for a bit! < 1349034993 472530 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric never changes < 1349034995 776719 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when it does < 1349035005 498701 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :War never changes. < 1349035014 333506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: i have ops and i'm not afraid to ... shutup elliott < 1349035032 522990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that was a bit too ambiguous < 1349035042 98122 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree, oerjan should kick chickenzilla < 1349035049 880783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck that guy < 1349035058 549533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did he do < 1349035063 391802 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1349035065 653850 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does anyone do < 1349035087 435016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLOT AGAINST ME < 1349035088 635960 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly drip mucus < 1349035093 606319 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because cold :( < 1349035118 321219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully irc is not a sound-based chat < 1349035132 367679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else i would soon ban you for coughing < 1349035140 580955 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :COUGH < 1349035143 540223 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :COUGH COUGH COUGH < 1349035145 567862 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C < 1349035146 488234 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :O < 1349035147 309202 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :U < 1349035147 875216 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :G < 1349035148 593365 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :H < 1349035159 332526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although spamming might also work. sometimes. < 1349035160 950895 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coff < 1349035162 449779 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :So anyway < 1349035171 986769 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything interesting happened in the last two years? < 1349035179 640135 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you solve the halting problem? < 1349035184 514572 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess im gonna die cuz i cant stop coffin < 1349035189 300698 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: D < 1349035199 242971 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: D < 1349035203 125138 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: D < 1349035211 774132 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: < 1349035227 608761 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1349035228 388310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor elliott, coughed is lower jaw off < 1349035232 505370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*his < 1349035246 817003 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see that soundnfury guy isn't here. did you chase him away < 1349035248 717800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added one idea to list of ideas < 1349035290 690255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm my underload stuff was last year, wasn't it. < 1349035323 690815 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it turns out nobody implemented the languages I was too lazy to implement! < 1349035332 743224 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am disappointed in your lack of doing my own work < 1349035336 558466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My idea is ANSI codes self-modifiable funge. < 1349035351 281318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: i did prove some things turing complete. also i did implement some languages, probably not yours though. < 1349035357 445730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is that a yes. come on keep me updated on all the bullshit that happens here < 1349035388 325433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i haven't noticed soundnfury since last he bitched against haskell or something < 1349035413 491260 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys i don't understand haskell < 1349035418 861427 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost as if it's some kind of esoteric languag elOL < 1349035422 682369 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :joke (c) me 2012 < 1349035439 136872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slereah: elliott took over as wiki admin, we have featured languages now < 1349035449 692987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :two of them or so < 1349035449 888624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it depends what you mean by have < 1349035463 96442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i note that as a wiki admin you are responsible for updating those, oerjan < 1349035474 547877 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:37:14: yup, thats it < 1349035474 742390 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:37:51: any huevos, I think imma let you computer geeks do your stuff < 1349035474 742558 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:37:55: now < 1349035474 742664 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:38:22: so long and thanks for listening < 1349035478 412543 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this log looks good < 1349035497 480484 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:03:07: -!- UnknownCharacter has joined #esoteric. < 1349035497 675483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:03:17: i loveeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee < 1349035497 675668 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:06:06: `WELCOME UnknownCharacter < 1349035497 675810 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:06:18: UNKNOWNCHARACTER: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1349035497 869916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also elliott is rarely here, probably because he's spending most of his time in an alternate reality where i am wiki admin. < 1349035498 363696 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:06:55: i was just passing by < 1349035499 964377 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:07:01: but thanks for welcoming me < 1349035501 968892 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:07:04: oh its just a bot command < 1349035504 175304 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:07:20: it makes for grandoise welcomings < 1349035505 955873 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:07:23: well, fuck u then < 1349035507 956573 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow good < 1349035526 886509 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:08:02: srory < 1349035527 81678 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:08:05: ^sorry < 1349035527 277005 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:08:15: im sorry, 2 < 1349035527 277194 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:08:32: let's make out to make up only if u r a hot girl < 1349035529 304624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :best log ever < 1349035596 95442 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is really good < 1349035606 555690 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:19:22: with the rain covering my tears... i sat down on some stairs leading to a parking lot < 1349035606 750535 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:19:39: can you type a bit faster please < 1349035606 750706 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:19:40: and i wondered why this all happened. < 1349035606 750812 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:19:50: i'm getting bored between messages < 1349035606 750916 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:19:58: dont rush me, emotions cant be rushed < 1349035649 900830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi are you elliott < 1349035653 477799 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1349035657 163739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:25:32: lol... okay, I didn't kill myself... but i wish i had thought of that. < 1349035667 656280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi are you < 1349035675 846352 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:28:11: it does seem that way.. he hasn't made any references to brainfuck, lisp, turing, or haskell < 1349035709 689392 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, elliott is here reading the logs out load < 1349035716 35670 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*loud < 1349035724 489218 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1349035725 31060 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:31:53: so... to deal with your suicidal thoughts as a result of a bitter and traumatising breakup, you came to a channel about weird programming languages < 1349035747 975046 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1349035751 376882 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:32:12: couldn't you talk to a psychiatrist, or one of those helplines they have? < 1349035751 571407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:32:25: they kinda annoy me < 1349035751 571606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:32:26: so no < 1349035751 571714 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:32:47: plus, im an artist. < 1349035756 287883 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, just like every one else then < 1349035756 482617 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is my favourite log ever < 1349035761 798688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: we shall now reenact all the embarassing moments of past weeks < 1349035783 444892 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ghosts of logs past, here to haunt us yet again < 1349035834 449469 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:35:58: i wonder if he realizes what this channel is about < 1349035834 644275 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:36:18: i realize it, but i just ignore the purpose of this channel < 1349035908 373369 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys < 1349035909 974672 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :12:06:47: you could say that a couple of while loops had their tests reversed. < 1349035912 432954 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :great metaphor oerjan < 1349035917 175642 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1349035918 598852 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the sudden flux of copypasta! < 1349035921 445620 :Slereah!x@ANantes-259-1-223-46.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take it easyyyy < 1349035923 912166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1349035924 888931 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i am visiting < 1349035935 55418 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rules mean nothing < 1349035941 686176 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is a tourist he does not know our ways < 1349035948 216775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME elliott < 1349035950 944252 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially not this one. < 1349035954 844809 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELLIOTT: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1349035957 38115 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shoves elliott in a pot < 1349035978 272230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i wonder if english written with arabic alphabet works ok <-- semitic alphabets (absomethings) only work well for languages that don't put much information into vowels < 1349035979 923968 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE < 1349035985 17119 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1349036002 344134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*abjads < 1349036011 128348 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, abjad < 1349036012 35017 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELcome < 1349036015 50591 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Abjads kinda-sorta work for English. < 1349036015 424019 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: WELcome: not found < 1349036024 925483 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 'bjds knd-srt wrk fr 'nglsh < 1349036025 972139 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wElCoMe < 1349036028 632683 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wElCoMe: not found < 1349036030 220870 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:15:44: half-life 3: the anxiety transferance gun < 1349036030 415618 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:16:58: gabe newell is a cyborg at this point < 1349036073 804997 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I thought it would find a pattern of uppercase/lowercase in the inputted welcome, and apply it to its welcoming message < 1349036081 938707 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's highly disappointing < 1349036097 221838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: we apologise for the inconvenience < 1349036119 585451 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 'f crs, thy 'ls rlly sck fr rdng. ' mn, rlly, ths 's *'nsnly* hrd t rd. :) < 1349036134 247348 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: I think you're free to add the missing 120 or so variants if you want to < 1349036160 843966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and you're cheating on some of the y's too < 1349036180 21551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess abjads do that anyway < 1349036181 512224 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's definitely not going on my to-do list < 1349036207 398238 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`w e l c o m e < 1349036210 351113 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:16:49 up 0 min, 0 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 \ USER TTY FROM LOGIN@ IDLE JCPU PCPU WHAT < 1349036238 874662 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, w already is a command... but it does the wrong thing < 1349036248 866313 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's rewrite it < 1349036271 999414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think you should keep it how it is. < 1349036275 972229 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-12.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1349036282 384081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make up w_e_l_c_o_m_e if you want to. < 1349036312 669357 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to < 1349036326 615239 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, yeah, yeah. < 1349036328 154123 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then don't make up any. < 1349036442 381369 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :one possible but awful solution is to make ` case insensitive but implement ambiguity resolvers for any ambiguous cases < 1349036446 705973 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, Dan Weinreb died. < 1349036453 664198 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unexpected. < 1349036477 849266 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who designed the goddamn doors in these halls < 1349036490 836353 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sad. < 1349036497 841599 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're carefully designed to slam, seriously < 1349036628 604298 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION begins to get an evil grin as i ponder the type case_sensitive_identifier < 1349036636 229273 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^as he ponders < 1349036830 860281 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What are people?????????????????????????????????? < 1349036851 907414 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1349036852 968276 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1349036855 95013 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am people < 1349036859 161093 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qq qq q q qq qqqq qqq < 1349036864 434238 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1349036869 595356 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :q : ) < 1349036872 698475 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :q hat < 1349036885 532497 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat. < 1349036916 185548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dajfsa: What is that? Do you have anything real to write? < 1349036921 588730 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well dont breathe thuogh. you could die < 1349036927 372415 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: :( maybe < 1349036946 105663 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think deadfish should be the new featured language < 1349036953 921228 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly b/c i am a dead fish myself < 1349036975 887409 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dead fish with a fed dish (the dish was fed to the dead fish) < 1349037021 985545 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ int_i i = 0; I++; } < 1349037027 95630 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will hurt your eyes < 1349037049 28226 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im crying itidus21. crying. crying tears < 1349037055 328406 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from my eyes < 1349037067 48352 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's incredibly painful to parse < 1349037098 613751 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given my longtime wish to see LaTeX on iOS (and past experiments with porting it myself), I was thrilled to see that TeX appears to have finally made it natively to iOS in the form of TeX Notebook. Naturally once the novelty of being able to typeset on my iPad had worn off I started a spot of digital archaeology to find out how this was done - in summary, it appears (though I could be wrong) that the App's typesetter itself is an x86 emulator, wh < 1349037098 808284 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ich loads a frozen image of MSDOS6+Tex, and the typesetting is done there. < 1349037124 393104 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ludicrous. < 1349037129 768954 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1349037230 77836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am concluding that dajfsa is _probably_ british. and may be Phantom_Hoover, or otherwise elliott. < 1349037288 762076 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: im actually bird. from outer space. ISS bird. bird originally from canada < 1349037290 282106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog dajfsa> < 1349037299 51955 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bird big fan of human rights. i mean birdian rights. < 1349037312 220589 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, you are hexagon philanthorpist. < 1349037320 670046 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-09-22.txt:12:47:33: ``` < 1349037325 640731 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quack < 1349037333 180833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs dajfsa> < 1349037342 986983 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.28948 < 1349037352 699955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1349037354 338165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs dajfsa < 1349037361 996761 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.17482 < 1349037385 615950 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, maybe oerjan is not actually a person and instead a figment of our imagination. < 1349037388 652791 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOH, maybe so are ducks. < 1349037401 562661 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OTOOH I don't have that many hands. < 1349037536 365083 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Have you ever heard of video games ? < 1349037558 868607 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think elliott is more likely than Phantom_Hoover. < 1349037592 507563 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1349037598 632986 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well it is all relative... America is more likely than Greenland, for instance. And yet they both exist. Why is that? < 1349037628 986490 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (There is also the matter of ice cream.) < 1349037632 946472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :america likely? what a ridiculous idea! < 1349037654 514687 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's about the probability of enunciation. And daggers. < 1349037657 752355 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1349037657 947691 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1349037660 282288 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have daggers in Portland.............. < 1349037666 21871 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have atriq in a museum < 1349037671 979202 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone knows people only come from Hexham. < 1349037679 491442 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't have humans without six pigs. < 1349037697 332433 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There aren't pigs. Let alone six. There are gerbils however < 1349037716 264027 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually the real thing I would doubt is that fountains can even survive without water (hence oxygen) < 1349037732 955187 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-149-125.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexjerboa? < 1349037736 968685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rubbish, there are liquid methane fountains on titan < 1349037789 742092 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Um, you're a liquid methane fountain? Come on have a little respect. < 1349037820 262969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'm a pun fountain, haven't you noticed? < 1349037831 905375 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pountain. < 1349037846 630342 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clowntain (fountain of clowns; like a mountain) < 1349037855 286618 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouting is bad for your health anyway < 1349037905 866542 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heeeeey now..... I didn't order a planet just to get bogged down by wolves who own the sky < 1349037913 281419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. although coughing is worse. < 1349037922 924310 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :mountain clowns have a lot of clowt < 1349037947 384473 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a "hard line" phone? < 1349037952 216323 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Uh , you are not one of the wolves right? I trust business to ferrets < 1349037974 975731 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wall socket < 1349037998 647016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone asked this on BBS Scene global onelinerz < 1349038001 990703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a metal cancer dog, does that count? < 1349038019 431216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> rot13 "oerjan" < 1349038020 537328 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `rot13' < 1349038023 85609 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i better double check < 1349038027 818227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @let rot13 = @where rot13 < 1349038028 344604 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. What is a metal cancer dog ? < 1349038029 585329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1349038030 590492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> rot13 "oerjan" < 1349038032 896327 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "brewna" < 1349038034 372306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> rot13 "shachaf" < 1349038036 507868 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "funpuns" < 1349038043 700211 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1349038046 523533 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when does @let foo = @where bar work? < 1349038058 322125 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And who are anthills anyway < 1349038080 725154 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :dear god < 1349038095 121050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> rot13 "itidus21" < 1349038097 265649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "vgvqhf21" < 1349038102 434627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> rot13 "dajfsa" < 1349038104 519931 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "qnwsfn" < 1349038104 751334 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1349038111 829894 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where friends < 1349038112 25208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about friends. < 1349038115 592661 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@guesstimate < 1349038115 790251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1349038123 542601 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i had to check on rot13.com that you didn't special case that < 1349038148 293653 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who doesn't love special cases? Or cesial spaces? < 1349038157 990576 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the best rot13 ever < 1349038179 926968 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> print $ print $ print $ print $ print 4 < 1349038181 90829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1349038189 942452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: A pun fountain on the fun mountain. < 1349038209 929908 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't do that fizzie. We know how are you....... < 1349038212 851397 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that that doesn't work without Caleskell, or whatever Caleskell does to make IO printable < 1349038214 275346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix print < 1349038215 534899 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1349038228 58545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do actual IO in lambdabot. < 1349038229 910591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> putStrLn " " < 1349038231 277807 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1349038233 763188 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> print $ (undefined :: IO (a -> IO b)) < 1349038234 979609 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a' in the constraint: < 1349038235 174864 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `Data.Typeable.Typeable a... < 1349038242 874758 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lmao ; ) < 1349038247 363966 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> print $ (undefined :: IO (Int -> IO Int)) < 1349038248 471964 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1349038260 492917 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, why did I expect that to work < 1349038263 751521 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :later: shachaf's book of fun puns < 1349038275 197834 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> undefined :: IO Int < 1349038276 285944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1349038311 813189 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how the Showable instance manages to grab the name of the types... < 1349038328 890762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Typeable constraint < 1349038352 484643 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excel is an "Excel"lent program for managing your spreadsheets, pick up Microsoft Excel today! < 1349038354 260532 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1349038359 943277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is dajfsa itidus21? < 1349038374 476543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no. < 1349038381 986679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is oerjan shachaf? < 1349038385 800495 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. And yes. < 1349038389 216066 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But no, no. < 1349038390 112259 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1349038393 500557 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. No. Maybe? Yes. < 1349038404 273178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no f way itidus21 could speak like that for any length of time. < 1349038428 454806 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my newly acquired ip spoofing skills at work < 1349038446 311035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is elliott elliott? < 1349038469 996711 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1349038473 153993 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "elliott" == "elliott" < 1349038474 141927 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1349038477 210748 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What is an f way? < 1349038479 533557 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it like a q way? < 1349038482 487252 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :q qq q -q -qq qqq -qqqq -qq qq- < 1349038483 310709 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A equals A. Existence exists. < 1349038484 788856 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I follow the Q Way Path to the Eternalle in the Sky. < 1349038494 452644 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Tell us more, Ayn! < 1349038494 906327 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess there is no -q < 1349038498 321679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: how objective of you < 1349038500 373738 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is -q if you believe in it. < 1349038555 234031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Mu < 1349038556 290281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(* -> *) -> * < 1349038587 351447 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Asdf < 1349038588 379502 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: type constructor or class `Asdf' < 1349038607 665220 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :q q q q q q q q q q q q q q q q.. another uneventfuy day at the seti office.. q q q q (qq)_q_q_q ___ wow! < 1349038637 951082 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-116-150.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1349038653 350935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Mu < 1349038654 414878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `Mu' < 1349038659 314411 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1349038664 861221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ff < 1349038744 855304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: i think you are concentrating on the wrong parts to spoof < 1349038783 665987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Fix < 1349038784 695209 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `Fix' < 1349038792 703373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> uncps (uncps (cps (cps (*2)) . cps (cps (+1)))) 5 < 1349038794 646140 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12 < 1349038800 397935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mu < 1349038801 586637 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `mu' < 1349038810 744036 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cps 3 < 1349038812 89399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show ((t1 -> t2) -> t -> t2) < 1349038812 283700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising ... < 1349038815 687738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh whatever < 1349038819 357845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "cps" and "uncps" means? < 1349038825 604825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cps f g = g . f < 1349038828 374166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncps f = f id < 1349038834 234244 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1349038839 730069 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there is no hidden side to me capable of suddenly being dajfsa < 1349038852 936894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they need such definitions? < 1349038864 442813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: ARE YOU SURE < 1349038869 974031 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not < 1349038871 490166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you can write (flip (.)) and ($ id) < 1349038895 152093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38; Why does anything need a definition? < 1349038896 823731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I do sometimes write ($ id) in some Haskell programs) < 1349038910 192892 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What is "spoof"? < 1349038915 340700 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Since they are longer definitions, or class definitions < 1349038927 188869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or type definitions < 1349038944 571984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of writing ($ id) you can write ap id (const id) < 1349038958 652723 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Should not cps be cps x k = k x? < 1349038964 994984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (`id` id) id `id` id 42 < 1349038965 992674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 42 < 1349038974 567641 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes that would work too if you want to use SKI combinator < 1349038992 564877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :($) is really the infix id < 1349039017 401068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But with a more specific type < 1349039033 600833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (`id` id) (+) `id` id 42 `id` 7 < 1349039034 585674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 49 < 1349039048 390619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ($ id) (+) $ id 42 $ 7 < 1349039049 574250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for GHC.Show.Show (a -> a) < 1349039049 769342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `... < 1349039058 474637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMPLETELY DIFFERENT < 1349039093 597304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It may also have different fixity as well as a more specific type. < 1349039149 15620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (`id` 42 `id` 7) (+) -- sadly this still doesn't work, i think < 1349039150 44508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `GHC.Base.id' [infixl 9] of a section < 1349039150 239625 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lower pre... < 1349039158 184083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of (flip (.)) you can write ap (const (ap (ap (const ap) (ap (const const) id)))) (ap (const const) (ap (ap (const ap) (ap (const const) id)) (const id))) < 1349039166 219318 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol < 1349039196 908544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well yes you can use SKI combinators if you want to, I think that is what that is isn't it? < 1349039203 341219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>>>) `asTypeÒf` flip (.) < 1349039204 326399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1349039208 280204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1349039212 135568 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (>>>) `asTypeOf` flip (.) < 1349039213 111698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a a1 b. (a -> a1) -> (a1 -> b) -> a -> b < 1349039223 316365 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second tyme lucky - chinese proverb < 1349039308 719359 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-94-10.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1349039762 165412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (x $ y) f = f x y; (x * y) f = x f y in (42 $ 7 * 5) (,,) < 1349039763 324206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (42,7,5) < 1349039819 198998 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Q < 1349039833 303590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :K < 1349039839 560907 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric : @ask fizzie If I, in the near future, were to ask you questions regarding the implementation of mcmap, could you easily answer them? < 1349039849 630176 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell atriq Only god can answer quuestionas about mcmape < 1349039849 825573 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1349039878 844227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any uses of the unstable 6502 instructions in which the unstable parts of the operation are irrelevant? < 1349039881 247836 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Blaxxun. Y U NO EXIST ANYMORE? < 1349039883 443906 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo : You are bad < 1349039888 320349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ok i'm now positive dajfsa is elliott, if there was any doubt remaining < 1349039928 292054 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Friends are suns < 1349039942 187976 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What was Trotsky any way < 1349039972 103401 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Black Sun. Blaxxun. < 1349039976 792184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bitmanagement Software. < 1349039981 153027 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1349039982 191703 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't quite fit the pattern < 1349039987 323495 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1349039989 80744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Mismanagement < 1349040001 964033 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaxxun < 1349040037 801834 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IVN is the king of mismanagement < 1349040041 621767 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to slap IVN < 1349040047 477292 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: somehow i doubt managing bits is as fun as it sounds < 1349040050 113947 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1349040065 799823 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't mean to type that at you < 1349040152 671988 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1349040207 611060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: well it's too late now, you chased carado away < 1349040508 938771 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so.. i guess you can bend a number < 1349040522 758886 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can divide it < 1349040541 285555 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you just get more numbers really < 1349040619 247086 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhnnn nurghh < 1349040628 285103 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnynrrrghhh < 1349040655 141290 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :grjeong < 1349040708 398194 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1349040774 67219 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can move objects with my mind. < 1349040796 101767 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT can you move the lava out of the floor? < 1349041055 336193 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1349041062 604283 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1349041064 731401 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am mind < 1349041067 470296 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who minds < 1349041220 212707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to mind, perchance to think < 1349041738 764284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You need me on your staff, because I'm a man who thinks." < 1349041817 512096 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Geoffrey Pyke, reportedly.) < 1349041962 120606 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a man who sinks! < 1349041984 148076 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this pun works in french as well) < 1349042010 62634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a game Discordians play, it's called "Sink". < 1349042075 682458 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nd with that I'm gonna sink into my bed, gnight < 1349042084 628210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"UPON SINKING: The sinked shall yell 'I sank it!' or something equally as thoughtful." (From the rules.) < 1349042107 137461 :dartman!~dartman@d175-39-7-104.sbr800.nsw.optusnet.com.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1349042123 998747 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: that's dr. turing to you, punk < 1349042137 690825 :dartman!~dartman@d175-39-7-104.sbr800.nsw.optusnet.com.au PART :#esoteric < 1349042248 943717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't that be yelled by the sinker rather than the sinked, really? < 1349042266 57199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that part of the discordianism. < 1349042351 665020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit unclear. < 1349042381 380337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"NAMING OF OBJECTS is some times desirable. The object is named by the finder of such object and whoever sinks it can say for instance, 'I sunk Columbus, Ohio!'" -- another rule. < 1349042385 412392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it is supposed to be unclear so that people think of it differently. < 1349042427 685120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall second that, seeing the rest of the descirption < 1349042508 690900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even the Discordian calendar some people think of it differently, there is a perpetual Gregorian to Discordian calendar but the description describes the Julian calendar though; but these definitions have the same result until 2100 AD. < 1349042740 935762 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1349042819 145673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever made a audio with a "masked saw wave"? What I mean by a "masked saw wave" is, if s is the array for the sound sample and k is a constant, then: s[t]=t&k; < 1349042839 496421 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's t < 1349042844 760479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time < 1349042880 40457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1349043075 627090 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is 4-bit digital-to-analog, then you can use k=15 for saw wave, k=7 for saw wave half volume and one higher octave, k=8 for square wave, k=4 for square wave half volume and one higher octave, and some combination of them canbe used too. < 1349043232 944950 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: that's dr. turing to you, punk < 1349043415 153298 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bending thing was based on an idea i had about 2d origami < 1349044390 496715 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1349044546 253609 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In January 2002, while a junior in high school, Gallivan demonstrated that a single piece of toilet paper, 4000 ft (1200 m) in length, can be folded in half twelve times." well i'll be damned < 1349044650 839559 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had an argument once with a smug idiot who insisted you can't ever fold paper that much < 1349044660 672875 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't concede < 1349044720 677418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1200/2^12 < 1349044721 688965 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.29296875 < 1349045162 60681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mythbusters I think also folded a big sheet of paper. < 1349045183 464074 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically thou fizzie you are a big sheet of paper < 1349045185 104115 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :life thoughts < 1349045195 821651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose. < 1349045222 765392 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it thoughts, therefore it is < 1349046427 440546 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1349046678 169081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you select high intensity CGA palette in QBASIC? < 1349047254 563952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had an idea for a MMU with configurable page permissions policy < 1349047276 851379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc.zzo38.moed < 1349047293 537479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(kmc: What do you mean?) < 1349047311 402791 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Dont lie ......... < 1349047319 67241 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the operating system configures a lookup table for a function whose inputs are the CPU mode, the type of access (rwx), some bits from the page table entry, some of the high bits of the address, and maybe other stuff < 1349047321 613726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is at the AAAAAIRPORT < 1349047331 932940 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: So did soundnfury get bored and leave or something? < 1349047332 670993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the function says whether access should fault or not < 1349047338 759208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i have no idea < 1349047347 495792 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're useless, kmc. :( < 1349047354 327557 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree wholeheartedly < 1349047388 278799 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think what it boils down to is my problem is i have to work my brain just to maintain a grip on reality < 1349047420 694293 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all the time < 1349047434 250387 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :just during certain moments < 1349047465 497556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would let you encode global policy like W^X, kernel can't execute user memory, user can't access top half of memory < 1349047477 684389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as giving flexibility as to what the page table bits mean < 1349047515 833192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically if we started with a scheme this general, there would be no need for specific additions like NX, SMEP, SMAP < 1349047521 254955 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that's a bit of 20/20 hindsight < 1349047570 603610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMAP adds new instructions which the kernel uses to access user memory, which accesses are forbidden otherwise < 1349047585 226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess to implement that in my scheme you would feed some spare bits from the instruction encoding and/or a prefix into that look up table < 1349047622 207951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Xbox 360 only allows encrypted memory to be executed, if I remember correctly. < 1349047627 4119 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sort of thing could be useful for userspace sandboxing as well < 1349047705 770611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example a NaCl-like system could force all control flow instructions to specify a certain input to the permissions function < 1349047715 395096 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds sort of like @ kmc < 1349047715 837108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then use page table bits to delineate where untrusted code is allowed to jump to < 1349047735 420442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well @ is the least upper bound of all ideas in computer science < 1349047759 187648 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1349047814 417700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's pretty useless though < 1349047821 834319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you read about how they managed to get code running on the Xbox 360? < 1349047836 436384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because generally "you can jump anywhere within this page" is not a sufficient security rule < 1349047845 81322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: was it a timing attack on the MAC comparison function? < 1349047877 405073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't believe so. < 1349047896 454538 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-16-111.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1349047908 119282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a bug in the system call dispatch code, I think. < 1349047933 144073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which bug? < 1349047960 317205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It only checked the lower 32 bits of an address, or something like that. < 1349047964 815959 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote this sounds sort of like @ kmc well @ is the least upper bound of all ideas in computer science < 1349047965 265359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1349047968 922768 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :865) this sounds sort of like @ kmc well @ is the least upper bound of all ideas in computer science < 1349047977 850110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a presentation about it. It was quite involved. < 1349047996 120624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxjpmc8ZIxM < 1349048027 973086 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: anyway with this you can sort of see dereferencing as a lookup capability < 1349048049 156263 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you are given the capability to query a database that is just a version of another database (memory) filtered by a predictae < 1349048065 861914 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of prefer making capabilities as small as possible by construction though < 1349048093 281948 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead of giving the capability (Address -> Maybe Byte) you'd give (SafeAddress -> Byte) where SafeAddress is in some way constructed to ban such things < 1349048099 605739 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously x86 is not very well built for this though < 1349048148 889499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a:Address) -> SafetyProof a -> Byte < 1349048176 14843 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, but I'm not the biggest fan of that either. < 1349048183 484762 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: doesn't the safety depend on when it's evaluated? < 1349048186 880356 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a :: SafeAddress) beats (a :: Address, SafetyProof a) in my book. < 1349048224 22236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does (a :: PrimeNumber) beat (a :: Number, PrimenessProof a)? < 1349048368 761091 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It depends on your use-case. < 1349048387 778578 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: There's not much use talking about or using unsafe addresses, because an address has no use except to point to some information. < 1349048404 795214 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if Address only exists to be used in a tuple with a SafetyProof of it, then I'd rather there just be a SafeAddress to start with. < 1349048417 803576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1349048438 962175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what it would be like if all proofs were passed implicitly somehow. < 1349048454 647213 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note that you need a way to construct SafeAddress. So in the end SafeAddress kind of ends up isomorphic to Byte.) < 1349048472 987978 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which is the Right Thing, because (Byte -> Byte) means "if you have permission to access a byte, then you can access it".) < 1349048578 61376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty cps (cps (*2)) < 1349048579 174993 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a t2 t21. (Num a) => ((a -> t2) -> t21) -> (a -> t2) -> t21 < 1349048648 68384 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: (Do you like how I managed to rephrase your idea in a way that turned it into the identity function?) < 1349048651 609704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The power of @. < 1349048694 996168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @ < 1349048695 264274 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . ? @ activity activity-full admin all-dicts arr ask b52s babel bf bid botsnack brain bug check choice-add choose clear-messages compose devils dice dict dict-help djinn djinn-add < 1349048695 459286 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :djinn-clr djinn-del djinn-env djinn-names djinn-ver do docs dummy easton echo elements elite eval fact fact-cons fact-delete fact-set fact-snoc fact-update faq farber flush foldoc forget fortune < 1349048695 459536 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fptools free freshname ft gazetteer get-shapr ghc girl19 google googleit gsite gwiki hackage help hitchcock hoogle hoogle+ id ignore index instances instances-importing irc-connect jargon join karma < 1349048695 459646 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma+ karma- karma-all keal kind learn leave let list listall listchans listmodules listservers localtime localtime-reply lojban map messages messages? more msg nazi-off nazi-on nixon oeis offline < 1349048695 459793 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oldwiki palomer part paste ping pl pl-resume pointful pointless pointy poll-add poll-close poll-list poll-remove poll-result poll-show pretty print-notices protontorpedo purge-notices quit quote rc < 1349048695 992438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the power of @ < 1349048697 268405 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :read reconnect remember repoint run shootout show slap smack source spell spell-all src tell thank you thanks thx ticker time todo todo-add todo-delete topic-cons topic-init topic-null topic-snoc < 1349048699 270453 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :topic-tail topic-tell type undefine undo unlambda unmtl unpf unpl unpointless uptime url v vera version vote web1913 what where where+ wiki wn world02 yarr yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw yow < 1349048700 704423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the power of @ < 1349048753 281899 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1349048753 476432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\"#$%&'()*+,\"" < 1349048775 516025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, cps f = (. f) < 1349048783 71199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas theotherthing f = (f .) < 1349048801 405311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (. f) . (. g) . (. h) < 1349048801 605112 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(. f) . (. g) . (. h) < 1349048806 472381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl ((. f) . (. g) . (. h)) id < 1349048806 669187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :h . g . f < 1349048841 767125 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't understand why cps f is (. f) rather than ($ f). < 1349048895 250683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty \f -> (Prelude.. f) < 1349048896 291015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall b c a. (a -> b) -> (b -> c) -> a -> c < 1349048900 932880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty \f -> ($ f) < 1349048902 15207 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a b. a -> (a -> b) -> b < 1349049043 599943 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-16-111.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1349049125 410009 :augur!~augur@c-69-250-16-111.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1349049155 223474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ < 1349049172 995932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1349049175 47897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 < 1349049176 156965 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1349049179 585253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ < 1349049185 41993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have to have magical artist powers. < 1349049192 368683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @ < 1349049192 564276 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . ? @ activity activity-full admin all-dicts arr ask b52s babel bf bid botsnack brain bug check choice-add choose clear-messages compose devils dice dict dict-help djinn djinn-add < 1349049192 759195 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :djinn-clr djinn-del djinn-env djinn-names djinn-ver do docs dummy easton echo elements elite eval fact fact-cons fact-delete fact-set fact-snoc fact-update faq farber flush foldoc forget fortune < 1349049192 759360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fptools free freshname ft gazetteer get-shapr ghc girl19 google googleit gsite gwiki hackage help hitchcock hoogle hoogle+ id ignore index instances instances-importing irc-connect jargon join karma < 1349049192 759468 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma+ karma- karma-all keal kind learn leave let list listall listchans listmodules listservers localtime localtime-reply lojban map messages messages? more msg nazi-off nazi-on nixon oeis offline < 1349049192 759571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oldwiki palomer part paste ping pl pl-resume pointful pointless pointy poll-add poll-close poll-list poll-remove poll-result poll-show pretty print-notices protontorpedo purge-notices quit quote rc < 1349049194 565389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :read reconnect remember repoint run shootout show slap smack source spell spell-all src tell thank you thanks thx ticker time todo todo-add todo-delete topic-cons topic-init topic-null topic-snoc < 1349049196 565699 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :topic-tail topic-tell type undefine undo unlambda unmtl unpf unpl unpointless uptime url v vera version vote web1913 what where where+ wiki wn world02 yarr yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw yow < 1349049197 900447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1349049225 890733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var $ cycle "test\n" < 1349049227 12029 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : test < 1349049227 208809 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : test < 1349049227 208990 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : test < 1349049227 209100 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : test < 1349049227 209202 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : test < 1349049229 12928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[8 @more lines] < 1349049241 792716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @run var $ cycle "test\n" < 1349049242 940013 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : test < 1349049243 134803 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : test < 1349049243 135005 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : test < 1349049243 135113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : test < 1349049243 135215 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : test < 1349049244 940818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[8 @more lines] < 1349049270 311658 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var (cycle "q") < 1349049271 356411 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq... < 1349049273 196407 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var (cycle "q\n") < 1349049274 159791 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : q < 1349049274 354111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : q < 1349049274 354301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : q < 1349049274 354410 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : q < 1349049274 354516 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : q < 1349049276 159185 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21 @more lines] < 1349049276 391621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's not just the prefix < 1349049276 976507 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more < 1349049278 159304 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : q < 1349049279 36602 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more < 1349049279 231048 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more < 1349049279 946945 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more < 1349049280 160996 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : q < 1349049282 161648 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : q < 1349049284 155726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : q < 1349049286 156992 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : q < 1349049288 157699 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[16 @more lines] < 1349049290 158870 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : q < 1349049292 159120 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : q < 1349049294 160439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : q < 1349049295 574473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: kick oerjan < 1349049296 161811 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `more' failed with: thread killed < 1349049300 715544 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kick lambdabot < 1349049365 592809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot is claiming entrapment < 1349049403 101427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Help, how do I say that something is associative and has an identity? < 1349049417 743652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a monoid, isn't it? < 1349049436 535426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I want to include categories. < 1349049451 957548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. < 1349049472 609302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But even a monoid can be made a category of one object isn't it? < 1349049481 65161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1349049481 260018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "it's a category" < 1349049484 810238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I could say category but people would get confused. < 1349049492 946951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm talking about monoids. :-( < 1349049510 965535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I used a lower-case 'c' I'd be technically correct. < 1349049512 769391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then say it is a monoid, if you are talking about monoids. < 1349049520 482449 :dajfsa!~dajfsa@95.149.243.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Monoidagory < 1349049521 745212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm talking about categories too! < 1349049532 207325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wrote that it's associative and has an identity.