< 1347840457 518568 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1347842372 155563 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1347842843 957230 :hogeyui_!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1347844289 42244 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think MZM layer mode is the same as PC textmode format (except for the header). < 1347849617 356719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1347851251 740083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1347854011 799015 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1347854797 580156 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1347856547 611703 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric : I requires a large number of cells. -- millions < 1347856640 860738 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1347856659 197774 :Tod-Autojoined2!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1347856825 76247 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's sinc < 1347856854 442522 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, just wikipedia'd it < 1347857224 562700 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :which operations are expected to be more efficient by internalising computer data? < 1347857413 628604 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is to say, given a pleasant autumn day and a garden by a creek, can a computer's data being uploaded to a human brain somehow improve the ability for a human to sit under a tree and listen to the birds sing? < 1347857491 114813 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_depressive_disorder is the worst thing < 1347857716 356090 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ostensibly my point is that humans do not need man-made augmentation except on a case by case basis for medical conditions < 1347857807 533833 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason for this dark alley of research to exist is for profit < 1347857884 711653 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the only real distinction between direct augmentation of the human form and technology is the efficiency. < 1347857901 350904 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the human form, honestly, has many faults. < 1347857935 80810 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is fucking *buggy*. < 1347857936 737961 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you find a way to harm people in a way that they are willing to be harmed and make it legal, you will invaribaly maximize profits < 1347857970 884000 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why but this rule seems to hold quite well < 1347857989 819218 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is human augmentation harmful? < 1347858013 543066 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: the only thing more faulty than non-man-made things is man-made things :D < 1347858061 538666 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, we have organs that are only notable because they fuck up and kill you. < 1347858072 451208 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of: we are not just mortal, but short-lived. < 1347858085 962436 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1347858101 168759 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i certainly don't want to be immortal < 1347858119 864393 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you wish to live right now? Do you wish to live tomorrow? < 1347858156 666329 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you anticipate any day where you will not want to live the *next* day? < 1347858166 393290 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1347858181 887002 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you answered "yes", then induction says you want to live forever. < 1347858197 285639 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i change though... so its ok < 1347858204 676113 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my perspectives will change with me < 1347858233 723936 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you are telling me you personally anticipate waking up one day and deciding you don't want to live the next day? < 1347858285 537660 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish the immortals all the best < 1347858290 402186 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i won't be joining them < 1347858300 193846 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :as to your question... well......... < 1347858319 685308 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I highly doubt you actually, genuinely believe this. You may well believe *that* you believe it. < 1347858376 348426 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I doubt you will one day decide "y'know, I want to die", barring mental disorders (another bug in the human form, FWIW) < 1347858397 306375 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait until the next world war.. < 1347858406 736044 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can all re-evaluate < 1347858443 4691 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok sorry.. im going too far < 1347858515 969065 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :to say that there is no point to living forever would not be really making the point strong enough < 1347858693 191060 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why would there be no point to living forever? < 1347858694 448915 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. < 1347858699 79720 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modulo heat death. < 1347858712 786431 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heat death of the universe kinda does make living forever pointless. < 1347858725 571553 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A universe actually devoid of everything is pointless. < 1347858729 40218 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But before that? < 1347858744 468644 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1347858756 765671 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. its ok to die :) < 1347858772 870248 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, regardless of how one can turn about and say how bout you die now < 1347858784 808710 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not evil to die < 1347858790 292408 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why should it be ok to erase a sentient being from existence? < 1347858795 782280 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not a sin in any religion etc < 1347858815 365206 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's not evil to die, why is it universally frowned upon to cause death? < 1347858816 578482 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :killing is different kettle of fish < 1347858822 172439 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know why really :D < 1347858824 981378 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, seriously, argument from religion? < 1347858843 159636 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not immoral or unethical to die that i know of < 1347858893 160507 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Religion would have you think the world was created by a benevolent and omnipotent being. A world where pain and suffering is typical of life. < 1347859039 702979 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm.. i wonder if this notion of dying being subject to ethical judgement has its own movement < 1347859056 933295 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it surely would.. im not even going to bother checking < 1347859322 670470 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, can I ask why most religions are based in the concept that mortality *is in fact undesirable*? Religions themselves may not be true, but it certainly says much that they were mostly invented as ways of saying "no, you are immortal!" < 1347859348 751623 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that what makes the most sense would be immortality, with the option of suicide. < 1347859350 811256 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i am immortal, then that will take care of itself < 1347859470 803043 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I can't imagine there being a limit to human creativity, and the things I can learn and understand, for.... a few million years at least? < 1347859475 874608 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, certainly at least a few thousand < 1347859497 403803 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... humans will probably stop being humans eventually < 1347859498 233725 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: There's a whole lightcone to explore. < 1347859533 228437 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :for better or worse, with or without space travel, assuming we are subject to evolutionary processes < 1347859555 754700 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :we will probably change < 1347859561 84151 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: We shape our reality much faster than evolution could. < 1347859589 18419 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least we think we do :D < 1347859608 204171 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have already created, in this conversation, more reality than evolution could in thousands of years. < 1347859612 216822 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm. < 1347859615 477295 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/reality/information/ < 1347859616 585739 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1347859659 565049 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :my thoughts on efficiency are that basically, we need a clever dictator to make things efficient < 1347859674 333089 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of relying on order from chaos < 1347859721 792776 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work economically though.. im not sure if having a dictator can help in that regard < 1347859737 439178 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An omnipotent benevolent one, perhaps. < 1347859742 837316 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Not that that's likely. :) < 1347859759 727648 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :you-- you will mine metals from underneath that rainforest < 1347859771 813292 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you... you will build circuits out of those metals < 1347859825 147274 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you... you will uh.. etc < 1347859865 965260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1347859942 738869 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. this dictator would make sure all plugs were compatible < 1347859960 75021 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would be no regional data formats, no regional plug standards, no proprietry formats < 1347860055 276897 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if this is not comfortable, then maybe efficiency itself is the problem < 1347860182 250325 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would be no possessions, no rights, etc. simply people efficiently doing what the dictator says < 1347860229 315098 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, Friendly AI? < 1347860252 214232 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess that would be just near-omniscient and extremely-potent < 1347860266 766452 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Sufficient, IME. < 1347860363 625544 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have experience with friendly AIs? < 1347860365 538578 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the development of the png standard (i wonder how many 1000s of man hours involved in all the paperwork around png) is partially a workaround to gif < 1347860401 229773 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so rather than... trying to make it more efficient to code work-arounds... it may be more efficient to eliminate workarounds < 1347860487 293510 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, no, as none exist < 1347860498 333023 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what did you mean by IME? < 1347860507 517875 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: In my estimation. < 1347860522 949467 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1347860532 331857 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used word wrong, sorry < 1347860537 946426 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, in my system... tomorrow every piece of source code would be uploaded to a giant open source database < 1347860554 149295 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it would be quite a mess.. im not sure how they would clean it up < 1347860648 853193 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems inefficient for the collective source coding of humanity to have so much redundancy < 1347860659 370933 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source code collection < 1347860659 692762 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1347860668 553871 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1347860730 717770 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if given the choice, most would prefer to have access to the worlds source code rather than some kind of surgery < 1347860739 151187 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :to increase their efficiency < 1347860754 643190 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe thats oversimplifying it.. i don't know < 1347861921 312313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dictatorship is certainly more efficient, but I do not think that necessarily makes it better than others. < 1347861935 209939 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1347862163 558205 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1347864173 466724 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-145-146.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes that feeling like a worthless human being sucks < 1347864575 542250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1347865368 103121 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au NICK :itidus21 < 1347865528 780354 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1347865548 882942 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: these things that suck.. im starting to wonder if you are experiencing them < 1347865617 730444 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329a93.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd < 1347865841 593108 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bZkp7q19f0 < 1347868831 749661 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1347868846 865605 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1347869176 316697 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1347871925 181610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1347872719 205133 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1347873344 874914 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1347873526 107854 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1347873552 968983 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1347874134 295582 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1347874142 104171 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1347874379 132311 :yiyus!~124271242@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1347876581 67869 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1347878230 917996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to figure out how another program can detect these .NSF music is finished, by using cheat finder in VirtuaNES (VirtuaNES does allow the cheat finder to be used with NSFs too!) < 1347878371 947988 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: although there is ps3, 3ds, wii, xbox360, modern pc, ps vita, i think NES is something beautiful. < 1347878384 719055 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is somehow sufficient < 1347878427 660149 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :it embodies a set of constraints for multimedia computer applications i think < 1347878436 664615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like it is working. In three files I have tested so far (all made by the same person, using FamiTracker), $0211 is 1 while the music is playing and 0 when it stops, at least seem to. < 1347878468 904437 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I think they make modern systems way too complicated. < 1347878497 58957 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, one thing modern systems are good for is using the NES more efficiently < 1347878510 409501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is possible to make it useful and powerful without too much complicated, and that is one thing I intend to make. < 1347878559 466216 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly we don't need any carts.. we can have the entire software library of nes as zip files or similar < 1347878615 289793 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes and you can make your own, too. The difficulty is if you want to make custom mappers, but I am designing a file format which would allow that too. < 1347878649 850654 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trouble with the custom stuff is theres no limits on it < 1347878670 997001 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you could have an entire pc as part of the cartridge < 1347878706 941591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you could, but it would be very complicated if you did that. Simple discrete logic would be simpler, and the mapper codes for such things would be smaller. < 1347878743 417544 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :who am i kidding i dont quite know what mappers are or how they work etc.. < 1347878745 274281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DotFami format probably wouldn't even have commands to do such complicated things as an entire PC, anyways. < 1347878815 534523 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not actually that interested in emulation. < 1347878838 825322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DotFami only allows up to 256 components, although the individual components may be a bit complicated. I intend that it can represent all the iNES mappers, as well as NSF, and simple custom discrete logic mappers. < 1347878850 854964 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :because trifling matters like needing a 3ghz machine to emulate a 25mhz snes or such seems completely absurd < 1347879026 541245 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :so theres things i want to do to nes roms which seems ridiculous to most. < 1347879087 23966 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to rewrite a game's internals, but present the same end-user experience as an orginal nes rom < 1347879186 375188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What example? < 1347879230 616162 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have to concede to not knowing the exact nes palette < 1347879236 206133 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and such things < 1347879308 685355 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but assuming an approximation of the nes palette, i would abandon the 6502 code and rewrite the graphics using calls to blit functions < 1347879424 83575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not have an exact palette; instead, the high 2 bits specify the high and low voltage levels, and the low 4 bits specify the phase, and these are combined to make the color. Color $0x specifies a blacker than black level, so $0D is blacker than black and may mess up the display of some TV sets (use $1D for the proper black). < 1347879486 174021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colors $20 and $30 are the same because $x0 uses the constant high level ($0x uses the constant low level), and $2x and $3x have the same high level. < 1347879497 368630 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :as for sound, if the game had a finite set of sounds, i will store them in formats like .wav, .mp3, .midi < 1347879530 573535 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and.. as for how the music on nes actually works... well.... < 1347879543 818693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could use .ogg .flac .it whatever. Or, use MIDI and have your own MIDI synthesizer. < 1347879545 625368 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't know the best approach < 1347879567 479146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how the music on NES works. < 1347879574 189064 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :the goal would be to reproduce all the sounds in the game with maximum efficiency < 1347879582 516906 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than trying to emulate < 1347879716 785331 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1347879914 774667 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :... i think what i want is to replace the primary cpu aspect of NES with native pc code < 1347879941 858594 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maintainng the constraints on sound, graphics and controller input < 1347879995 292989 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :VGA becomes famicom FGA... for obvious reasons < 1347880070 911986 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1347880130 863320 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i bought soft drink today < 1347880194 722346 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But liquids are (pretty much) incompressible! How does it work! < 1347880239 419211 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i explode a bomb inside the drink < 1347880268 846438 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhat like on some tv show < 1347880273 329458 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not quite < 1347880878 111690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1347883049 768331 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-114.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1347883589 777655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1347884737 836929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1347887771 287129 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1347887804 815282 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi all! < 1347887847 704430 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:224:d7ff:fecd:8770 JOIN :#esoteric < 1347888520 70288 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1347889759 208439 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1347891081 965346 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :grmbl < 1347891089 896526 :grmbl!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :copumpkin < 1347892033 264786 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1347892082 828629 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1347892083 341138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1347892085 933258 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1347892088 141209 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::\ < 1347892096 369508 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 / < 1347892096 872665 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1347892102 508120 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ellho atriq < 1347892105 91855 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1347892159 880357 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1347892160 249979 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages. < 1347892197 225197 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I've been thinking, is it possible to include '--' at all in a Maze program, without provoking an error? < 1347892364 309459 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not familiar enough with Maze to answer < 1347892385 406001 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Maze program are mazes < 1347892404 898203 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where ## are walls, .. are "paths" where the cars can drive < 1347892421 764129 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and '--' is supposed to "transform into a wall after a car has driven over it" < 1347892425 551647 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1347892458 160769 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the thing is, cars are supposed to "guess" what way they are have to go, using only walls < 1347892474 285666 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, they are not supposed to "need" instructions to tell them to turn) < 1347892551 212866 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I had been assuming that any tile a car can drive over either contains an instruction to tell the car what to do (such as "go up"), or exactly two of the adjacent tiles are walls < 1347892584 906114 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, of the four adjacent tiles, two are walls, one is the path the car comes from, and one the fourth is the path where the car must go < 1347892610 373264 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't see how this count (2 walls + 2 paths) can be respected with '--' < 1347892625 823530 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since -- is a path that becomes a wall < 1347892645 882068 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and there are no "walls that become paths" to balance it) < 1347892734 279612 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll write that on the talk page < 1347893044 545893 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone 'round here have laptop recommendations btw < 1347893056 667916 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not my one < 1347893119 842562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted < 1347893128 266996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i have a list of 3 laptops not to get < 1347893133 151042 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've slightly damaged the screen < 1347893138 519233 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1347893143 784349 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The screen itself is fine < 1347893148 909885 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The right hinge, though... < 1347893165 727974 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly qualifies as a lethal bladed weapon < 1347893313 545529 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it qualify as a folding knife < 1347893332 660235 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1347893353 874342 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More a tiny knife with a sheaf attached to the handle < 1347893363 922592 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the handle and sheaf are huge and work as a computer < 1347893454 41894 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a widescreen < 1347893881 420385 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1347894890 170183 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1347895372 660941 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1347895393 695729 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PART :#esoteric < 1347895434 218660 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1347896060 335373 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Works best in Safari/Chrome" is not a feature. < 1347896073 266473 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a problem. < 1347897189 905695 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1347897253 965754 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1347897840 757600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1347897842 169581 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1347897880 653764 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1347899492 473371 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if I could run a mile... < 1347899546 462069 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1347899569 510030 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Maps thinks that if I run a mile I'd end up at the Fox < 1347899826 345235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the Fox? < 1347899836 595167 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A pub < 1347899839 235312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And doesn't it kind of depend which direction you run to? < 1347899843 306427 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1347899906 510401 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I ran the other way, I'd end up about half way to Dilston < 1347899932 585414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could run a mile southeast and end up at a (horse) race track. < 1347900020 795974 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: Nettalk6 - www.ntalk.de < 1347900140 123913 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-114.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1347900143 248026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a bit over a mile to the west to end up at the local Mormon chruch temple. < 1347900407 26431 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, I don't drink, and I'm too young to buy alcohol < 1347900560 232491 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So running to the pub would be a tad useless < 1347900569 781657 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a shame. you can't hitchhike vogon ships if you haven't had the proper amount of beer from a pub just before! < 1347900697 411494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The temple is only open to members, so running there would be quite useless too. < 1347901090 387130 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1347901701 957346 :kwertii!~kwertii@unaffiliated/kwertii JOIN :#esoteric < 1347901829 986830 :JaBoJa!~JaBoJa@erx234.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1347902513 556003 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1347902647 401273 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 JOIN :#esoteric < 1347903828 608606 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1347903833 21162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm sure they'd be quite happy to consider your application < 1347903886 657984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, they seemed to have quite a lot of requirements. < 1347903964 462600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even enough to be a member, you need some kind of a "Temple Recommend". < 1347904012 305996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_(LDS_Church)#Entrance_requirements and especially the "Worthiness interview" list. < 1347904024 735111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1347904081 954264 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1347904213 659576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did have that "Open House" thing when it was built recently-ish, I remember seeing something about that. < 1347904251 594552 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C6B3.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1347904257 118542 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C6B3.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1347904289 114690 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1347904295 652475 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1347904458 690780 :JaBoJa!~JaBoJa@erx234.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1347904494 789552 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1347904970 744254 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1347905041 346305 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1347905661 272877 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1347905702 243664 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :[]{}\|-_`^ < 1347905757 312136 :[]{}\|-_`^!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :nortti < 1347906063 972713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cheat finder is not only for cheating, isn't it? < 1347906895 23824 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:2e3d:3ef0:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1347907747 275135 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-95-211.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1347907776 566926 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C6B3.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1347907862 256795 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1347908311 678721 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fun fact: WorldsPlayer requires JRE6. JRE7 won't work < 1347908488 322949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's news you can use < 1347908795 902862 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1347909244 513540 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1347909897 509579 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be useful for Phantom_Hoover if he ever decides to join us to see what the fuss was about < 1347909989 646426 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-157.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1347910086 306480 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-157.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1347910203 679887 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-157.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1347910234 35870 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-157.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1347910322 642399 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, why? < 1347910332 763426 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1347910337 769899 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worlds. < 1347910337 788539 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That thing. < 1347910365 505743 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god no, I don't want to get sucked into your weird nightmare. < 1347910709 837291 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of it isn't a nightmare < 1347910725 795164 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, there's a world somewhere with a tardis, it's kind of fun < 1347910913 874102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but what if I end up in a nightmare?? < 1347911014 676789 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1347911111 70367 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1347911507 587438 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1347911960 841858 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you can always just stick to the Worlds.com worlds, the only nightmare there is BowieWorld < 1347912003 66394 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and BlackHillsForest and BurkittsvilleDinner < 1347912014 919845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1347912022 155390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No good! How can I feel safe unless there's someone manning the walls between the safety of worlds.com and the nightmares? < 1347912042 861721 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that you just listed three nightmares that are within this supposed haven does not fill me with confidence. < 1347912088 991192 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, aren't BlackHillsForest and BurkittsvilelDinner named after/promotion materials for horror films? < 1347912098 47030 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if you see anything named after a horror film, just avoid it < 1347912102 541022 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Bowie. < 1347912116 692650 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bowie is a horror film < 1347912128 725574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we haven't realised, but we're living in one. < 1347912153 898754 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and the basement in AnimalHouse. < 1347912172 31701 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which connects to the bathroom stalls of I forget which, it's like a Club) < 1347912209 719080 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything in WorldsCenter except possibly FunHouse is safe. < 1347912252 953289 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I do emphasize the "possibly" < 1347912261 139303 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more weird and colorful than anything scary. < 1347912323 495988 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B131161.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1347912339 697722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK so I'm safe in worlds.com unless I visit any of the places that aren't safe, and I'm definitely safe in worldscentre unless I visit the unsafe place. < 1347912355 583609 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo this is not reassuring < 1347912430 476826 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one possibly unsafe place is marked as "VIP", which is only for paying people (although there are ways around that, and you start off with a free trial. But still, it's market) < 1347912432 376514 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*marked < 1347912440 834494 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think it's the only such entire pod in WorldsCenter < 1347912449 7583 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should note that WorldsCenter is relatively boring < 1347912496 59257 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This user-made tower may be safe and interesting, I think < 1347912535 830772 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe. But the portals means you can see into each room and decide if you want to explore it or not. < 1347912568 34861 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... I'm safe if I do only the most boring things. < 1347912616 456572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ubiquitous boredom/safety tradeoff. < 1347912658 644844 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the default world, GroundZero, is safe, unless you deliberately walk through a solid wall. < 1347912663 662751 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't do it by accident. < 1347912711 478951 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's through the wall < 1347912723 85416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I sometimes have trouble walking through solid walls even purposefully. < 1347912780 209355 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not much until you walk too far and when you do you're put into a green cave. < 1347912811 942916 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am working under the assumption that you are scared to death by green caves. < 1347912873 628861 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, helpful tip: don't do this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAOooKkWp4w < 1347913005 472075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Green cave" is some kind of a slang term for something unspeakable, right? < 1347913008 700961 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is an Escher tribute in the tower. < 1347913020 904428 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very clearly marked as an Escher tribute < 1347913162 744692 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go ahead and call the tower "safe" < 1347913164 747064 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird, but safe. < 1347913173 273784 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although funhouse is probably safer < 1347913212 984070 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Skypod in WorldsCenter isn't safe if you're scared of heights. < 1347913230 675883 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't actually fall though, there are invisible walls. < 1347913338 263721 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there's a user-made world called "LSD Dream Emulator" < 1347913371 868420 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's based off a PS game called "LSD: Dream Emulator" < 1347913443 259380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually extrodinarily boring. < 1347913468 179942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1347913519 278279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I saw a reference to that somewhere recently. < 1347913569 192042 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that staring at goats movie is funny < 1347913578 114943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel kinda ill when I see graphical glitches in computer games and such. (Also scared of encountering them in real life.) I wonder if this is common? < 1347913609 616577 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it's even funnier if you read the book and know which parts are actually completely true. < 1347913610 887894 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :graphical glitches in real life would be properly scary < 1347913620 790863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. everything that isn't actually part of the plot) < 1347913624 327133 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh, is any of it true at all? < 1347913637 872613 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think I was supposed to do something, I cheated and now things got weird. < 1347913645 721950 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, in that case, WorldsPlayer is not for you. < 1347913651 549661 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things get weird sometimes. < 1347913667 82021 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I'd honestly be hard-pressed to remember any of the crazy psy-ops stunts that weren't. < 1347913700 277620 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The characters are largely fictionalised and frequently made from 2 or 3 amalgamated real people, but the experiments and everything were all real. < 1347913705 197125 :yiyus!~124271242@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1347913763 150380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes, but when I see them in a computer, I get the feeling that it's only a matter of time there'll be some out of it, too. < 1347913795 106300 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what kind of glitches are we talking? < 1347913815 172628 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're seeing dead pixels you should see an optician, they can fix that. < 1347913840 579316 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maiko Girls Come Come Everybody. < 1347913848 907855 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^the name of an object in this World. < 1347913854 991194 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sometimes when I'm watching things full screen on the monitor I'll try to make them even more full screen (full field of vision?) < 1347913878 179852 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1347913882 607535 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but alas, the other setting is windowed < 1347913910 97090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Just, you know, generally. Things clipping through other things, or deforming grotesquely because of some kind of model mishap. < 1347913972 932563 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that book is now on my list of things to read < 1347914020 151811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or physics problems, things moving awfully fast or weirdly. < 1347914055 504217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, would weird geometry count? < 1347914092 716844 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You go down a hall, turn right, go down hall, turn right, go down hall, turn right, go down hall, turn right, you're nowhere near where you started < 1347914123 411098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a glitch, though. < 1347914128 170989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about that. It doesn't sound as bad. < 1347914142 545371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You only ever get that when it's deliberate. < 1347914199 640247 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think the only "scary" place in BowieWorld is the Garden. < 1347914214 576010 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bunch of disembodied hands that say weird things and fly up when you click them < 1347914251 963918 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1347914263 729541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is it just me that had real trouble handling the frankenturrets in Portal 2? < 1347914280 305495 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gyaaagh, those things. < 1347914289 183356 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They had my skin crawling, seriously. < 1347914351 261538 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad it wasn't just me. < 1347914399 212917 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the noise, they made, I remember that was particularly awful. < 1347914413 464295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always had to throw them far away from me when letting go. < 1347914484 334677 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's rather easy to walk through walls in Worlds, but also something that needs to be done deliberalely. < 1347914497 153340 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the weirder things in the Worlds.com worlds only occur to people who walk through walls < 1347914502 118896 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people seem to think frankenturrets are cute < 1347914525 361800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: There are all kinds of freako-sickos in the world, certainly. < 1347914530 933388 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, there are always deviants! < 1347914559 143019 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example: In AnimalHouse, if you venture onto the street from the front yard, you may be attacked by floating eyeballs, and end up in an attic. < 1347914570 833945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The developer commentary notes their withdrawing into a cube was initially just to make them be cubical when picked up, but it was so cute they added shaking animations and wide-eyed reactions to the turret to make the player sympathize with their plight." < 1347914575 886781 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the front yard is fenced in, can't get to the street from the front yard by walking normally. < 1347914602 274374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sympathize all right, but I was even more creeped out and tried to have as little to do with them as possible. < 1347914637 849156 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The eyeballs got me. < 1347914649 382655 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you're sure you don't want to get floating eyeballs to attack you? < 1347914668 123587 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, this attic has the Venus de Milo < 1347914685 436228 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of the nightmare-free zones? < 1347914717 871456 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, no. But you only see the nightmare if you walk through a wall, or a different nightmare if you head into the basement. < 1347914746 930208 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And basement isn't that much of a nightmare, it's just creepy red with weird geometry. < 1347914774 903002 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one part of it where you may end up seeing yourself. < 1347914984 656399 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, just to be sure of something: You don't consider Brittney Spears to be scary, do you? Because there's a Brittney Spears world. < 1347915513 343941 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are definitely interesting non-scary places to explore < 1347915963 693242 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1347915985 333860 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1347915996 933842 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1347916182 372902 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1347916195 733971 :cuttlefish!~cuttlefis@2607:fad8:4:0:224:d7ff:fecd:8770 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1347916880 304317 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1347917361 852833 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Goodnight < 1347917468 834594 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a class in worlds.jar called ArmyOfZombies. < 1347917561 482184 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should've obfuscated < 1347917617 268240 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1347917801 746814 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1347917829 226540 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-35.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1347917938 263243 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B131161.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.88.2 [Firefox 15.0.1/20120905151427] < 1347918285 642065 :ztirf!~ztirf@HSI-KBW-078-043-031-070.hsi4.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1347918678 733015 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1347919051 763638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CEO and the chief technical architect just locked themselves in a conference room for an hour to figure out... what kind of trash cans to buy < 1347919089 170339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@arr chitect < 1347919089 555264 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drink up, me 'earties < 1347919216 667395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Someone mentioned https://csawctf.poly.edu/ in another channel. < 1347919284 727826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1347920631 735459 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1347921348 361511 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1347921361 550347 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1347921827 11414 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1347922768 710979 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1347922983 401094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yeah, we've pondered creating a /usr/bin/python\r -> python symlink" < 1347922995 739252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1347923077 271646 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1347923981 905148 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1347924010 405994 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1347925644 253007 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, does a Halloween-themed theme part count as a nightmare? < 1347925653 807595 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1347925659 747498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by default < 1347925680 962472 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I should note that there are clowns. < 1347925755 565637 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rides appear to move your camera, leaving your body behind. < 1347926104 228021 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think web dev is secretly a great field for programming language nerds < 1347926226 141766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FP techniques are widely accepted in Javascript, largely because they're the only way to abstract and stay sane < 1347926243 806404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and metaprogramming is also widely accepted, even if the forms it takes are somewhat nasty < 1347926266 268471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the typical web project has code in a number of languages, so it's an easier sell to introduce one more < 1347926276 115393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to "this is a Java shop, why are you even considering using something that isn't Java" < 1347926292 215365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JavaScript is not really such a bad programming language, but its use with web pages is pretty bad in my opinion. < 1347926320 986002 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, this water ride cuts through FunHouse < 1347926340 924959 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And goes inside a shark < 1347926342 435566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use whatever language you like on the backend < 1347926363 96169 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-23-23-43-158.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are a lot of DSL-like things