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Not absolutely everything is Hexham (yet). 14:04:01 -!- mig22 has joined. 14:04:04 not everything, you say? weird. 14:05:58 -!- chickenzilla has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 14:06:34 -!- chickenzilla has joined. 14:09:32 But Labour MPs accused the Tories of trying to "gerrymander" the system and claimed the changes will produce major anomalies as seats are carved up to reduce the overall number.[...]The new Hexham seat for example would take in part of Gateshead, which currently forms a section of the Blaydon constituency that would completely disappear under the shake-up 14:12:08 if you move Hexham to Gateshead, what happens to whatever was previously at Gateshead? 14:19:24 this http://sacvs.files.wordpress.com/2012/09/watkins_punishment_600_410.jpg 14:21:59 Boston, not Hexham. 14:29:53 lt 14:29:56 gt 14:29:57 eq 14:31:29 "Boston, north Hexham" 14:33:46 -!- augur has joined. 14:37:34 hmm, so there's a 105 SEK pocket edition that I can buy, and also a 69 SEK pocket that "hasn't been published yet" 14:38:44 I guess that means the available one is the "pocket for nearsighted people with very large pockets" edition 14:43:43 http://www.theworldbyroad.com/expedition/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/shower-2.jpg 14:45:07 hmm, if the water gets electrified, will that really affect you? I suspect the pipe will be a better grounding than either of you or the water anyway 14:49:05 Yes, it’s completely safe, nothing whatsoever to worry about. 14:53:33 so basically it's an electric shower head? 14:54:25 -!- sirdancealot has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 14:58:34 -!- sirdancealot has joined. 15:03:39 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 15:03:45 Hello 15:04:25 We have experienced some difficulty to get the Star Trek Google Doodle to work in Internet Explorer and in Firefox. To experience the Google doodle as it were intended we recommend that you use Google Chrome for it to work 100% 15:05:47 Upgrade to Google Doodle Premium now for only 1 soul? 15:06:25 The FTC settlement included a disclosure provision where Intel must: "...publish clearly that its compiler discriminates against non-Intel processors (such as AMD's designs), not fully utilizing their features and producing inferior code." 15:06:50 -!- atriq has joined. 15:07:15 well i wouldn't call it opportunism 15:07:28 @messages? 15:07:28 Sorry, no messages today. 15:08:03 > 2+2 15:08:04 4 15:08:07 ... 15:08:11 > 2+2 15:08:12 4 15:08:30 lambdabot: it should be 5 15:09:52 > let 2+2=5 in 2+2 15:09:54 5 15:10:06 > let (+) = 5 in 2+2 15:10:07 5 15:10:13 Wow 15:10:20 lambdabot has some crazy instances 15:11:02 > 2+2 15:11:03 4 15:11:54 -!- sirdancealot has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 15:12:14 > 5-2 15:12:15 3 15:12:36 > let 2+3 = 5 in 2+2 15:12:37 *Exception: :3:4-10: Non-exhaustive patterns in function + 15:12:42 I see 15:13:06 > let 2+2 = 5 in 1+2+2 15:13:07 *Exception: :3:4-10: Non-exhaustive patterns in function + 15:13:27 > let 2+2 = 5 in 1+(2+2) 15:13:28 *Exception: :3:4-10: Non-exhaustive patterns in function + 15:13:45 ohhh I see 15:13:46 > let 2+2 = 5; 1+5 = 8 in 1+(2+2) 15:13:47 8 15:13:51 > let 5-2=2 in 5-2 15:13:52 2 15:14:36 > let x+y = y in 2+2 15:14:37 2 15:14:40 yeay 15:20:04 Haskell is a fun language 15:20:40 > let id 0 = 0; id n = (n * 2) in map id [1..10] 15:20:40 [2,4,6,8,10,12,14,16,18,20] 15:29:14 > runKleisli (Kleisli return >>> Kleisli (\x -> [1,2,3,x])) 1 15:29:15 [1,2,3,1] 15:39:56 -!- atriq has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 16:01:35 -!- ogrom has joined. 16:11:25 -!- mig22 has quit (Quit: mig22). 16:13:04 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 16:14:40 -!- epicmonkey_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 16:23:51 -!- atriq has joined. 16:52:13 atriq: why would you need to specify id 0 = 0? 16:52:24 Becuase it completely shadows id 16:52:26 It's a new id 16:52:33 Oh wait 16:52:40 Because I changed my mind half way through writing it 16:52:45 haha 16:55:06 -!- sirdancealot has joined. 16:56:21 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 16:56:31 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: impomatic). 16:58:37 -!- augur has joined. 17:06:46 -!- ais523 has joined. 17:27:17 -!- pikhq has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:38:22 -!- danko has joined. 17:42:08 hi 17:42:37 Hey 17:47:45 -!- copumpkin has joined. 17:48:48 -!- danko has left. 17:54:47 Pretty cool guy, that danko 18:03:45 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:05:48 -!- sivoais has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 18:06:44 -!- sivoais has joined. 18:25:24 so what happens when.. gorillas are given access to search engines 18:25:41 and cameras to make pics available as search results 18:26:04 Pretty much nothing 18:26:13 maybe they get suicidal 18:27:23 in general, what happens when we let animals have their own internets 18:28:37 Still, pretty much nothing 18:28:43 first we make them dependant on the internet 18:29:01 by making them abandon their old ways of doing things, and their old traditions 18:30:12 .... yeah... i dont think im thinking clearly 18:36:15 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 18:39:13 -!- impomatic has joined. 18:45:50 -!- ais523_ has joined. 18:45:56 -!- ais523 has quit (Disconnected by services). 18:45:58 -!- ais523_ has changed nick to ais523. 18:48:00 -!- AnotherTest has left. 18:48:17 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:02:07 -!- Vorpal has joined. 19:10:42 -!- FreeFull has joined. 19:11:02 I might accidentally qualify for a math minor. 19:13:26 How so? 19:17:01 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 19:17:45 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 19:22:05 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/Leibniz_Monadology_2.jpg 19:22:27 -!- oerjan has joined. 19:22:36 he finally got it right 19:22:44 i did? yay! 19:23:13 it only took me 14 years 19:24:04 axl rose too 19:25:55 -!- Slereah_ has joined. 19:26:15 I happened to take so many math classes that, without deliberately seeking to, I might qualify 19:26:23 I did not have minoring in math as a goal 19:26:26 Well done? 19:27:06 NOW IF HIS SCHOOL ONLY HAD REAL MATH 19:27:21 That reminds me 19:27:24 I start Groups soon 19:27:30 * oerjan is filling in for the other cynics today 19:28:00 Doing other stuff too 19:28:01 Um 19:28:12 Algebra type stuff 19:28:26 -!- Slereah has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 19:32:38 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subdirectly_irreducible_algebra 19:33:34 I'm only up to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_fraction 19:33:35 :( 19:34:13 that's ok, you'll get to the S'es soon enough 19:43:31 What do you think of the Google Nexus 7? I might buy one tomorrow... 19:46:56 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 19:49:06 java.awt.Robot looks like it could be fun 19:49:10 * Sgeo ducks 19:50:17 oh, greek is apparently very remotely related to any other living languages <-- what crackpot got _you_ today? 19:50:36 He may be thinking of Basque 19:50:48 ...doesn't precisely help. 19:52:01 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 19:52:05 oerjan: there's like one other living language in the whole hellenic language group, but it's dying 19:52:22 Greek had a lot of influence on Latin 19:52:35 And hence the romantic languages and English 19:52:53 olsner: um greek is indoeuropean. that means it's rather closer related to say english and swedish than to any language which isn't 19:52:57 the closest relation to other languages seems to be that it's indo-european, but "almost everything" is 19:53:23 The tree model is a poor approximation at best 19:54:48 This was typed in using a Clojure REPL that has access to awtbot 19:54:53 (Although I press Enter myself) 19:55:14 i actually recall a theory that implies that languages are _not_ all related - namely that in some places with very friendly climate new language families may be created by children getting lost before learning to speak. it supposedly might explain why new guinea as such an enormous amount of language families (iirc the theory also said there was a part of california that used to be like this) 19:55:31 *has such an 19:55:37 It was slow 19:56:33 yeah yeah, but learn a germanic language and a romance language and you have a head start on a large proportion of european languages, but knowing any or all of those seems to help very poorly when it comes to understanding greek 19:56:46 olsner: hey just because indo-european is the largest language family doesn't mean there are no others. 19:57:19 bah, you're just picking on the wrong ends of everything I've said :) 19:57:51 This is a test, this is only a test. 19:57:52 olsner: that's because they all share a lot of latin loanwords, but there are greek ones too. 19:58:26 -!- epicmonkey_ has joined. 19:58:49 -!- zzo38 has joined. 19:59:11 i wouldn't bet on it helping with russian or hungarian either :) 19:59:32 more than greek, that is 19:59:56 the greek loan words seem to be either less popular or a lot less useful, or just not in the relevant parts of the language 19:59:56 Or Basque or Finnish 20:01:58 what I'm referring to is things like using knowledge in {spanish,french,italian,latin} to decipher text in any of the other languages, which seems to usually work fairly well 20:02:17 ... and that the set of non-greek languages useful for doing the same in greek seems to be empty 20:05:46 olsner!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20:06:05 quintopia: wat! 20:06:10 hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 20:06:24 that's an awful lot of hi 20:06:29 why dont you learn armenian? 20:06:38 * Sgeo should try to have some fun with the Robot] 20:06:43 why would I want to do that!? 20:07:04 why dont you learn russian? 20:09:21 anyway, that was me reflecting on going to greece and my vaguely existing skills in other european languages being useless for understanding greek 20:13:39 i vaguely recall once reading armenian is closest to greek, although it may not have been very firm 20:14:34 -!- atriq has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 20:14:38 -!- Taneb has joined. 20:16:53 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_language implies they're usually considered separate branches of indo-european, but that other groupings have been proposed 20:18:11 well yes, closest branch. 20:19:21 -!- pikhq has joined. 20:20:02 oerjan: does norway have cabbage pudding? 20:21:14 -!- lexande_ has joined. 20:21:46 today i went to a talk where the speaker kept prefacing his theorems with "If ZFC is consistent, then" 20:21:56 people made fun of him for this a bit 20:23:20 "Hey guys, I've got a proof that ZFC is consistent!" 20:23:24 "Fuck you." 20:24:08 Why? Would some theorems fail if ZFC is inconsistent? If ZFC is inconsistent wouldn't everything be a theorem? 20:24:33 zzo38: If you prove ZFC consistent using ZFC, it is not consistent. 20:25:11 olsner: not exactly i think 20:25:13 pikhq: Yes I know that too; I was refering to lexande_'s message about the speaker who kept prefacing his theorems with "If ZFC is consistent, then" 20:25:52 hi zzo38 20:25:56 Is ZFC the one that's equivalent to Axiom of Choice? 20:26:00 http://www.nrk.no/mat/1.6150114 has a recipe in norwegian - by tina nordström :) 20:26:31 Taneb: it contains the AoC as an axiom 20:26:36 Oh 20:26:45 zorns lemma is equivalent to the aoc 20:26:49 zzo38, the theorems were like, if ZFC is consistent then there is a model of a multiverse of forcing with these properties 20:27:10 Taneb, ZFC is just the usual axioms of set theory/maths, including Choice 20:27:12 lexande_: O, OK. So that's why he did that. 20:27:17 I was thinking of Zorn's lemma 20:27:37 Or possibly the Well Ordering Principle 20:27:52 This is like yesterday when I got 5th Cell and Level 5 mixed up 20:27:54 and here's one in english: http://swedecheese.blogspot.se/2008/05/food-journal-number-39-klpudding.html 20:28:09 (it's simpler too) 20:29:44 olsner: i think no:kålruletter (rather old-fashioned) is about the same as sv:kåldolmar, however 20:30:06 I realized what I forgot in RogueVM which is banks of the screen grid (like screen pages on PC) 20:30:57 I expect two pages is sufficient, but if you don't agree, please notify me. 20:31:41 oerjan: I think that's essentially the same as cabbage pudding but in a different format 20:31:58 "The Axiom of Choice is obviously true, the well-ordering principle obviously false, and who can tell about Zorn's lemma?" 20:32:18 olsner: well yes it was mentioned in a pudding page 20:32:34 seems a lot trickier to make too 20:33:09 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:35:29 Why do I keep thinking that lifeboats are small things that hold maybe 4 people? 20:35:49 because in some cases they are? 20:39:16 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:41:02 Do you know a XML reading library in C? 20:42:36 i once did 20:43:50 http://i.imgur.com/Mev10.jpg 20:44:13 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 20:46:55 -!- Dude has joined. 20:46:58 -!- epicmonkey_ has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 20:47:20 -!- Dude has changed nick to Guest49957. 20:47:23 -!- Guest49957 has quit (Client Quit). 20:50:24 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:50:35 19:27:24: I start Groups soon 20:50:35 wait what 20:50:40 aren't you at sch--- wait it's september 20:55:05 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 20:55:44 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 20:59:39 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 21:01:09 .. A HUSH FALLS OVER THE AREN. .HE FIG.TERS APPROACH THE RING 21:03:54 -!- ais523_ has joined. 21:04:07 -!- ais523 has changed nick to Guest96629. 21:04:19 -!- ais523_ has changed nick to ais523. 21:04:49 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 21:05:54 * quintopia picks up the Hush and puts it back on its perch. 21:06:25 "Typically a crystal ball is connected to the chip at OSC1 and OSC2 pins." 21:06:43 is it an oracle chip? 21:07:16 -!- Guest96629 has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 21:08:36 I'm guessing OSC stands for oracular sensor chip (circuit?) or somesuch 21:09:32 Oracular Scintillator? 21:10:38 (obviously, the word "ball" was not originally there) 21:27:04 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 21:28:56 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 21:31:14 :t foldr (>>=) return 21:31:15 Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: b = a -> b 21:31:15 Probable cause: `>>=' is applied to too many arguments 21:31:15 In the first argument of `foldr', namely `(>>=)' 21:31:30 :t foldr (>>=) (return ()) 21:31:31 Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: b = a -> b 21:31:32 Probable cause: `>>=' is applied to too many arguments 21:31:32 In the first argument of `foldr', namely `(>>=)' 21:32:15 Heh, someone was trying to build a botloop in #clojure 21:33:01 * oerjan realized he wanted sequence_ instead 21:46:49 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 21:50:16 -!- MoALTz has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:51:24 -!- copumpkin has joined. 21:54:07 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 21:54:28 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:00:07 > pred '0' 22:00:09 '/' 22:03:01 > pred '/' 22:03:03 '.' 22:04:53 -!- ais523 has quit. 22:07:10 Arc_Koen: doesn't your brainfunct truth-machine have an off-by-one error? i.e. loops on '0' rather than '1' 22:09:28 @tell Arc_Koen doesn't your brainfunct truth-machine have an off-by-one error? i.e. loops on '0' rather than '1' 22:09:29 Consider it noted. 22:10:39 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:10:45 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 22:11:06 -!- augur has joined. 22:11:27 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:11:33 -!- augur has joined. 22:19:10 Do you like these ideas for scenarios of the Dungeons&Dragons game? * The sun rises in the wrong place. * Suddenly the money changes into different money. * The phase of the moon is now different shapes other than round, such as square and hexagon and so on. * A dwarf walks in to a bar (ouch). Heal him, please. * Help a beholder find his lost monocle/glasses. 22:21:06 * A war occurs over unclaimed land. * Some people assign the party to a completely impossible task (not because it is too difficult, but because of references to things that do not exist, or illogical things, etc). * Kjugobe and other illithids pursued by illithid slayers and evil druids. The illithid slayers and evil druid should probably be defeated. * The king is allergic to magic and wishes all spellcasters (arcane, divine, and psionic) d 22:21:24 * You find a map, but it is all wrong. 22:40:30 some of them 22:41:43 where some means none <= some <= all 22:41:56 OK yes that is what I thought you meant. 22:42:01 cool 22:42:22 However that is not specific as to what? 22:42:30 exactly 22:43:50 scenarios are quite strange 22:43:55 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:45:08 * The king of another city is attacking gibbering mouthers as well as anyone who enters his city. Hold the second one as you hold a pencil, in order to save the gibbering mouthers from the king's army. Bonus points if you give Potion of Confusing to gibbering mouthers who like that. * Someone wants to charge minstrels everywhere royalties. Stop their evil scheme. * A few magical items are found; you must not only figure out exactly what they do 22:45:13 I hope this message is not too long. 22:47:09 my useless contribution doubled it's size. 22:47:47 Is it exactly double? 22:48:10 nah 22:48:36 anyway, i think you could afford to make it 50 lines long... 22:48:58 excluding my part of it 22:49:46 zzo38: ... exactly what they do 22:50:11 What is the last word you have received in the long message? 22:50:28 i just told you. 22:51:35 oh and the previous one stopped at (arcane, divine, and psionic) d 22:51:47 * A few magical items are found; you must not only figure out exactly what they do (identification magic cannot be used), but also how to effectively use them for escape. 22:51:53 * The king is allergic to magic and wishes all spellcasters (arcane, divine, and psionic) destroyed (including the royal spellcasters). 22:51:57 Is it OK now? 22:52:02 looks so 22:52:39 "Shun magic, and shun the appearance of magic! Shun everything, and then shun shunning!" 22:53:12 I wonder what people who think that Rails is too "magic" think of Clojure stuff, considering the usage of macros 22:53:24 Do macros tend to feel less magic than run-time metaprogramming? 22:53:38 i think so yes 22:53:48 you can ask for the macro expansion 22:54:03 I don't know Clojure but I think in general, both macros and run-time can be useful. 22:54:22 and they're sort of visual analogies 22:54:35 at least in simple cases and with tasteful use of quasiquoting 22:56:56 * Sgeo is suddenly sad that Tcl doesn't have quasiquoting 22:57:01 zzo38: so it worked out at about 23 lines. 22:59:15 oerjan: Do you like this game? 22:59:26 * Some people assign the party to a completely impossible task (not because it is too difficult, but because of references to things that do not exist, or illogical things, etc). <-- this is a fairly good explanation of koans :D 22:59:41 How does quasiquoting work? 22:59:53 In those programming language? 23:00:05 itidus21: OK. 23:00:54 eg. The king assigned his best knight to find a man who could demonstrate the sound of one hand clapping. 23:01:22 ^well a man or woman 23:01:41 ^anyone or anything who could 23:03:53 zzo38: i'm not particularly interested 23:04:52 oerjan: OK. 23:08:08 hmm 23:08:44 so all this talk of scenarios reminds me of an interview with a final fantasy scenario writer where he explained that if scenario writing was automated he would be out of a job 23:09:42 so on the subject of humans jobs being automated by machines, the machines don't really make mistakes. and when they do they follow fairly pre-defined routines to deal with them 23:10:06 and if in practice they need help when they fail, then they are not infact entirely automated 23:10:32 but also, when humans do a job they always consider ways it can be done better or differently 23:10:49 and when they make mistakes it can inspire breakthrouhgs 23:11:20 I wrote them by hand. Some are based on ones from other sources, some are based on a computer game I have written, and some I just wrote my own. Automated programs can sometimes help a little bit but you still have to program it and modify its program to make a new one, and then if you don't like the result, modify it. 23:11:23 so machines are learning to react to feedback 23:11:36 however 23:11:50 i suspect that its just not the same 23:19:51 once a machine spends all it's time experimenting on work, it's no longer doing work 23:19:54 -!- lexande_ has quit (Ping timeout: 244 seconds). 23:20:35 -!- elliott has joined. 23:20:38 kmc: https://github.com/albertz/playground/blob/master/test_importearlyexit.py 23:23:41 itidus21: Now, how do you fully automate them if humans make mistakes 23:25:28 i guess that nothing truely gets perfected 23:26:16 because... i could barely parse that sentence.. thats my excuse 23:26:21 for being wrong 23:27:00 Is it really that wrong to want to use java.awRobot as a fun toy? 23:27:12 erm, java.awt.Robot 23:28:02 urd 23:28:03 *yes 23:28:06 you're morally culpable 23:29:40 ##java didn't like my implication that my reason for wanting to use java.awt.Robot was becuase it seemed fun 23:29:50 Sgeo: i want to make a robot in 2d using textured vector graphics which can position it's legs using inverse kinematics 23:30:19 but then again im not sure that i do 23:31:13 -!- augur has joined. 23:32:03 its one of many things 23:32:06 awtbot is a nice Clojure library for using it, but it has an idiotic with-robot macro. Maybe it was written before doto worked with all forms? 23:35:57 elliott, 23:35:58 elliott, 23:35:58 elliott, 23:36:02 elliott, 23:36:02 elliott, 23:36:17 23:37:20 and here i was thinking it might relate to robotics :P 23:37:26 i just looked up what its for 23:38:13 Sgeo: hi 23:38:52 sounds like it could be useful for writing aimbots in video games 23:50:08 -!- itidus21 has left ("/leave #esoteric /leave #esoteric [...]"). 23:55:28 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined.