< 1346803580 779541 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346804377 227042 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, [expr] in a Lisp-family language. Good idea or bad idea? < 1346804387 328834 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Using lists of course, not strings.) < 1346805910 277435 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346805921 601588 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-148-211.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346806727 648850 :yours_truly!~yours@bas9-hamilton14-3096719723.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1346806734 357101 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1346806803 483621 :yours_truly!~yours@bas9-hamilton14-3096719723.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346806948 521415 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Okay I guess. < 1346806959 705014 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I mean, it's basically giving you an arithmetic expression DSL. < 1346806975 166201 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Seems Lisp-like, even if it's not strictly speaking typical of Lisps. < 1346807026 676660 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, #clojure people are now badmouthing Noir < 1346807032 468633 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I be scared of Noir now? < 1346807110 179515 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1346807144 240033 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people will badmouth anything which actually gets used < 1346807150 203454 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try #haskell instead < 1346807181 941918 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.185.214 QUIT :Quit: http://RetroProgramming.com < 1346807341 948201 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hiredman: Moses: it is stateful and doesn't compose, is full of all kinds of (add-whatever calls) that need to happen in a certain order etc" < 1346807606 650605 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the creator of Noir is currently in #clojure < 1346811030 532791 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he/she have anything to say to this criticism < 1346812227 598050 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION isn't entirely sure
< 1346814121 788065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did William Shakespeare write all of them by himself or is something else? < 1346815108 29447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably he did write them. Not necessarily all by himself, though. < 1346815170 603941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless you got his name wrong. His name is Wilm Shaxpr. < 1346815290 42093 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wilm shapr < 1346815533 141831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shall only refer (again?) to http://sheldoncomics.com/archive/070810.html < 1346815635 666329 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1346815640 700746 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spelling wasn't really... a thing < 1346815642 96468 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back then < 1346815682 537850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is spellyng, butte a foolishe endeavoure < 1346815727 821957 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let no man put asunder what I believe is thee proper attyre for footballe < 1346816037 415939 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis JOIN :#esoteric < 1346816273 559721 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah. What insane bastard designed C++ IO. < 1346816288 902433 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its error handling is the most anemic I have seen in any language. < 1346816306 674449 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, what would you expect? Exceptions, given that that's a C++ feature? < 1346816307 581867 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1346816317 692901 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an error flag. < 1346816324 758402 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is all the information you can get. < 1346816327 243190 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was an error. < 1346816338 766347 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it a parse failure? Was it a catastrophic failure of disk? < 1346816342 790501 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have no way of knowing. < 1346816481 570451 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346816733 958865 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it used exceptions people would also bitch and moan < 1346816744 269952 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of C++ users disable exceptions < 1346816749 758406 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes, a single error flag is not adequate < 1346816770 658935 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm something of a C++ apologist and I still use C stdio more often than not < 1346816887 930649 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is nothing to excuse C++'s IO, not even in terms of "they couldn't quite see *that* it would be bad". < 1346816901 357232 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I think makes it nearly unique among C++ features. < 1346816916 321820 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least with the rest of them I can see that there was a good idea somewhere in there. < 1346816921 882608 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least good intentions. < 1346816950 806679 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways, I'm now taking a "C++ and object-oriented programming" class, so I feel bad just schleping out to C IO. < 1346817018 523575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: there's a place that'll pay well to use those as pavement < 1346817053 70482 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear IO streams were the motivation for references. < 1346817054 615734 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaand this (trivial) assignment is asking for error handling from its IO. < 1346817486 426693 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sHACHAF: really? < 1346817584 817439 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's true that I heard that, but only second- or third-hand. < 1346817726 476154 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the operator overloading of the bit shift operators is retarded. < 1346817728 855092 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retarded I say. < 1346818367 262188 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sHACHAF: I wrote a little program using Xlib and XInput2 < 1346818375 330263 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make my mouse cursor wrap at the edges of the screen < 1346818395 419565 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1346818398 78492 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :previously I was using Synergy for this purpose < 1346818400 782778 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it really better that way? < 1346818409 123562 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the screen better with wrapping? yes < 1346818425 111112 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my desktop is 4960 pixels wide < 1346818462 514269 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cutting the max travel distance in half is a big deal < 1346818595 198570 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of pixels. < 1346818795 310994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Gnu tide < 1346818922 20468 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-126-181.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346819220 316473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346819362 549189 :jon__!~jon@173-228-13-253.dsl.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346819383 977701 :jon__!~jon@173-228-13-253.dsl.static.sonic.net PART :#esoteric < 1346819416 627173 :evincar!~jon@173-228-13-253.dsl.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346819909 470762 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION re-pick-ups his lenses in clojure idea
< 1346820238 443049 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-126-181.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1346821044 957213 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346821191 235768 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346821218 33533 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1346821519 655467 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is getting kind of mean with #clojure
< 1346821984 195774 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1346823093 424992 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1346824374 336036 :Eladith!~eladith@gzrrplox.kortex.jyu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346825456 677982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can computer be made that some components use data due to the exact timing of propagation delay, not later or earlier, because data is only available at such exact moment? < 1346825693 783392 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346825728 484999 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't early computers actually use that effect for their RAM? < 1346825766 345878 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think the answer is "yes, and it has been done" < 1346825787 920379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they do, but I don't mean RAM; I mean for calculation of program counter. < 1346825818 928479 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Huh. < 1346825825 553078 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 - You COULD, with good enough timing and manual sterring of the counter < 1346825833 988635 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, each opcode contains the next PC position after it < 1346825848 199962 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you could read the bytes required while the PC was travelling the circuit? < 1346825859 684857 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it seems like the sort of thing that's possible. < 1346825868 87227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking make a linear feedback shift register? < 1346825886 120881 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps not at all likely to be done, but you're only asking about the possibility. ;) < 1346825898 425370 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: LFSR PC steering? < 1346825899 429104 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1346825903 66570 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's actually a very neat idea < 1346825906 170997 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how well that would work, or what other way, but I have some ideas < 1346825908 417379 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then you have to shuffle every app < 1346825917 253340 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in theory, yes, an LFSR could work with a properly arranged program < 1346825924 353119 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yes I am only asking about the possibility. < 1346825928 472984 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you still have the PC INSIDE the shift registers < 1346825930 106170 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what is the point < 1346825994 400423 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant such as, is just shifts over time by itself rather than requiring a clock, so it doesn't store the data and then wait for the next one < 1346826021 386367 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... < 1346826025 601479 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want to make a clockless CPU? < 1346826050 460804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is part of it < 1346826076 644160 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is actually a *very* interesting idea < 1346826205 132861 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's enough physics to stop you < 1346826214 177715 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, for instance, for rapid bursts of calculation < 1346826218 46602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I thought there might be. < 1346826218 379421 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :With specific instruction sets < 1346826222 127346 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could very well work anyway < 1346826249 344894 :keymanbr!musicman@187-15-158-104.user.veloxzone.com.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1346826251 681774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly, yes, it could. That is why I think of it. < 1346826253 590799 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346826259 771912 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 - i recommend you patent it < 1346826263 310168 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, Apple. < 1346826277 736225 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1346826285 457417 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to be safe against these kinds of corporate entities < 1346826331 145586 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care if others want to use it; I just don't want others to patent it. (I also don't want to waste money on a patent.) < 1346826338 526685 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1346826340 635588 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1346826342 23656 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :gtg < 1346826411 489222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore I wish to place it in the public domain. < 1346826924 44776 :keymanbr!musicman@187-15-158-104.user.veloxzone.com.br QUIT : < 1346828443 389547 :evincar!~jon@173-228-13-253.dsl.static.sonic.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1346828797 170923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346828799 345282 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.185.214 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346833652 878263 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1346835600 141723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346835652 642574 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346835680 301416 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1346835913 168760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1346835919 314517 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346835982 219981 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1346836465 596292 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-13-33.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346836782 821072 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-13-33.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1346838350 129086 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-80.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1346838806 759956 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/09/04/1825205/australian-attorney-general-pushes-ahead-with-govt-web-snooping < 1346838810 120724 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor australia. < 1346839619 389743 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346839863 933203 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be worse < 1346839902 150240 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an inevitable consequence of internet-dependancy < 1346840012 721595 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that the people who fight over these things do so primarily out of an inclination to fight, with the actual thing they are fighting over being secondary < 1346840469 270686 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1346841223 591170 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by it could be worse i mean, one nation doesn't deserve prosperity more than another, and any suggestion that a nation earned their prosperity by working harder than the others, or working harder defending their freedoms is a fanciful illusion < 1346841310 826286 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346841358 232131 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you on about < 1346841363 648256 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything < 1346841387 455426 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope what im saying applies to most arguments < 1346841415 781231 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1346841420 824137 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1346841434 813511 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what do you think of my nick?? < 1346841441 968388 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good right < 1346841453 252374 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shachaf: yes < 1346841684 345941 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap monqy < 1346841684 517345 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pokes monqy in the eye
< 1346841730 714885 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think whats happening is the youth today is putting more trust in technology than in the elderly < 1346841752 891954 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wise old person = computer illiterate person < 1346841793 783651 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you on about < 1346841809 578691 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I could ask you the same question! < 1346841826 952973 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1346842425 573842 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346842816 527491 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346843011 870611 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346843367 175972 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on about... pudding < 1346845126 840842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat: I'm reading a blog about debugging a problem found on Windows, and confirmed what the kernel was doing by looking at the ReactOS source code < 1346845134 580911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise it was that close a parallel < 1346845307 22159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346846260 50632 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1346847554 271884 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346847912 316851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1346847962 232998 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1346848691 202134 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do the category work anyway? is their a bot browsing all wiki pages and adding them to the right category pages? < 1346848858 270251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like an AI-complete task. < 1346848870 19436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There could be a person doing that, though. < 1346848901 540397 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346848948 319487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you mean based on the [[Category:Foo]] things? I'm under the impression the MediaWiki software natively takes care of updating category pages as those things are added. < 1346849149 57282 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346849177 324838 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346849260 240336 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that''s what I mean < 1346849726 883403 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-149-30.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346849970 698149 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-154-45.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346850071 691379 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-80.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1346850114 320247 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-149-30.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1346850713 18484 :MoALTz_!~no@host-92-8-154-45.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1346852501 940328 :jiella!~jiella@cs27103076.pp.htv.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1346853061 936985 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346853455 381772 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346854105 223520 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1346856160 198292 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1346856182 599874 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1346856204 299316 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i was just thinking, a heck of a lot of stuff isn't allowed to be made because it breaks copyright < 1346856222 861455 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1346856247 537645 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think there should be a license that you can produce commercial derivatives so long as you pay some amount of your profits to the license holder < 1346856259 27465 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does exist < 1346856268 934506 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not an actual license I think < 1346856286 3474 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but companies can hire other companies to produce their products < 1346856298 335733 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1346856311 819210 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am watching a fun video comparing ports of some video game < 1346856329 146908 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i started to think, would it be such a bad thing if companies could just make a port without asking? < 1346856337 540435 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1346856350 30456 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you were the person who had the original idea? < 1346856365 914295 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like it if everyone made (possibly better) ports of your idea? < 1346856369 18110 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the idea is they would still pay you a cut of the profits < 1346856387 824912 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how would that be regulated? < 1346856391 192590 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or.. < 1346856392 386770 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1346856407 384710 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they don't have to ask < 1346856422 497074 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would they pay money? < 1346856452 637685 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose I had a game company < 1346856460 601063 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my game was selling nicely < 1346856469 877681 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you made a port of my game < 1346856473 153412 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :a much better port < 1346856483 542799 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone would buy your port of my game < 1346856501 919603 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't win any money < 1346856516 476973 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahh < 1346856543 222650 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess in the cases i am thinking of, it was specifically arcade games being ported to a set of inferior platforms < 1346856544 627110 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would have to close my company and only rely on your income < 1346856582 903995 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346856589 984037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346856604 961967 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you're right. < 1346856618 357887 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things are fine as they are. if a company wants to do that they can. < 1346856643 388673 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.57 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346856651 352816 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus, not being allowed to copy implies more research for new stuff < 1346856658 189990 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346856659 893177 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so products of better quality < 1346856684 177464 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i guess htat theres not so many platforms these ays < 1346856685 420942 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :days < 1346856696 971339 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346856722 756985 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the differences between all the 8bit and 16bit platforms are actually fun to look at < 1346856757 256863 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can't hide their limits < 1346856820 167339 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this youtube channel i quite like has these videos comparing the same game on about a dozen platforms < 1346856827 816015 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1346856827 988250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1346857012 635980 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: the food chain is that you start with a good aaa 2d game, then it gets ported to some uk computer, looks like crap which is perfect fodder for youtube reviewers to act cynical < 1346857026 332129 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone wins < 1346857035 859647 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking, Level 5 studios would be good to make the Homestuck game < 1346857044 430546 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And so would Maxis, for completely different reasons < 1346857068 615693 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or CERN < 1346857085 813590 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1346857100 612492 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think CERN is particularly famous for its video game development skills < 1346857121 120582 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, many companies shifted to video games from other fields < 1346857156 703345 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From being an international not-for-profit experimental physics organization? < 1346857218 769651 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what better way to recreate the homestuck universe than to let anonymous teenagers interact with LHC < 1346857283 725043 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by the way < 1346857290 508387 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I said Level 5 I meant 5th Cell < 1346857342 484610 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im being defensive again about homestuck.. that thing seriously freaks me out < 1346857362 986433 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have... < 1346857369 411189 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried reading "Problem Sleuth"? < 1346857373 173588 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like your cup of tea < 1346857583 887309 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :japan has mech robots which turn into spaceships and carry samurai swords, usa has homestuck < 1346857606 907883 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :australia has steve irwin < 1346857679 218992 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they are all ways of venting culturally something inexplicable < 1346857695 200639 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mspaintadventures.com/?s=4 < 1346857789 755433 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346858328 265646 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-224-38.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346858417 74685 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-141-136.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346858449 108695 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-22-151-204.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1346858771 663390 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : australia has steve irwin < 1346858772 725922 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not anymore < 1346860060 269624 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://asia.cnet.com/goophone-i5-manufacturers-want-to-sue-apple-when-iphone-launches-62218590.htm < 1346860825 153986 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-224-38.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1346861396 235297 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-148.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1346861898 445935 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1346862852 65514 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my psychologist is right < 1346862866 99163 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :event happens "light out in the kitchen" < 1346862895 807436 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think about it and presume my brother turned it off < 1346862931 1798 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact, when my mom asks me to change the light i learn i was acting delusionally < 1346863401 938613 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevermind < 1346863419 636488 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounded a lot weirder when i said it < 1346863852 485272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, that does sound pretty weird. < 1346863932 74636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1346863935 579151 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i mean when i said it here < 1346863945 295594 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just said it and you just read it < 1346864033 769895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"submarine sandwich" is a weird term. < 1346864042 867516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As a "sub" it doesn't sound so weird. < 1346864075 782969 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/217130_3530847072634_1433380748_n.jpg < 1346864234 371551 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1346864241 956933 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346864253 322430 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346864265 715337 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be QUIT :Client Quit < 1346864340 160641 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346865065 910579 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-148.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1346866352 807930 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1346866476 487748 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346866587 817264 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey zzo38 < 1346866597 416132 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've started writing an interpreter for IINC < 1346866701 845591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1346866918 989520 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering why the mingle thing, though < 1346866927 798726 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not remember. < 1346867179 532660 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that was very instructive :) bye < 1346867191 348095 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Are you telling me you can build a time machine but you can't cook a cheese soufflé? You've got your priorities all wrong! < 1346867278 904598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346867299 935032 :atriq!~Taneb@host-78-148-2-219.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346867308 731167 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1346867769 976754 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :fnordPatent < 1346867837 28876 :FreeFull!~freefull@b0ffb703.bb.sky.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1346867838 254420 :FreeFull!~freefull@b0ffb703.bb.sky.com QUIT :Changing host < 1346867838 273036 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1346867932 194979 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.57 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346867936 157894 :augur_!~augur@206.196.185.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346868172 835808 :fnordPatent!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 NICK :itidus21 < 1346868808 75568 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346868912 4103 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346869098 869972 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : That is, I would recommend against (-> 5 (< 10) (if "whoa")) < 1346869105 215889 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to say that that is an amusing example < 1346869567 462808 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/rplevy/swiss-arrows < 1346869702 522117 :augur_!~augur@206.196.185.57 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346869743 550185 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346869767 573943 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346870241 20862 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346870648 530982 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an idea has struck me.. supposing if a large group of software companies got together and dedicated themselves to producing software which didn't violate any patents < 1346870689 183080 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :between them harnessing the capacity to challenge any patent which won't hold up < 1346870736 234979 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be the advantage for the companies involved? < 1346870745 872566 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :They wouldn't be able to sell any patents < 1346870759 113906 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346870782 137471 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could be unfettered by what for a lack of a better word i would call immoral patents < 1346870815 110833 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a capitalist system, people mainly care about money ;) < 1346870834 231575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am one of those companies (not yet created properly), but not only software; also hardware. < 1346870841 746669 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what such an immoral/unethical patent would be........ < 1346870857 806286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would wish to join such a group < 1346870862 211005 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :of companies < 1346870869 168299 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well the fundamental question is this < 1346870884 811848 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had sufficient funds could you overturn the amazon 1-click patent? < 1346870892 522197 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: You said earlier that you think the current patenting system is fine. Why are you still trying to improve now :p? < 1346870896 991841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346870910 377172 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: You could buy it from them perhaps. < 1346870923 186365 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1346870927 723607 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, could you invalidate it? < 1346870944 817043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the current patenting system. If I had sufficient funds I would buy their patents and then immediately abandon them to the public domain. < 1346870981 957990 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Maybe, if you hired an army of lawyers. Although Amazon has one too I believe. < 1346871004 786250 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the grounds that adding constraints to the effects of a mouse click isn't a method < 1346871028 785981 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: something like that, but it would still be very hard < 1346871039 21249 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the device is a mouse, it clicks < 1346871046 184497 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the human clicks < 1346871058 391503 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :/with/ the mouse < 1346871061 788084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invalidating it is an idea, but would it be less expensive to purchase it from them and then invalidate it yourself? < 1346871089 953129 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Unless they are unwilling to sell it whatsoever. < 1346871091 5622 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that that click results in a procedure completing automatically seems fairly invalid :D < 1346871111 881737 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, i see < 1346871118 912277 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you own a patent you can invalidate it? < 1346871136 33421 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lmao... fascinating < 1346871147 208565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Yes, in that case, you have no choice, I suppose. < 1346871147 753333 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im so dumb < 1346871150 827119 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: Yes; how does that surprise you? < 1346871165 122958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: I would guess you can invalidate a patent you own more easily, I think. < 1346871165 564452 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im no lawyer, im sure the argument i just made would fail < 1346871169 875556 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: note that was not a reply to your last message.. < 1346871223 400996 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well... i think that if enough patents were invalidated the motivation to patent things might decrease < 1346871296 151944 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas, if you bought the patents in order to invalidate them that would be a motivation to patent things < 1346871313 525497 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346871318 217327 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily < 1346871332 762162 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you can earn more money from a patent by not selling it < 1346871355 364491 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and by instead selling the product the patent allows/is) < 1346871380 790685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes you won't actually know how much money you will earn properly < 1346871394 666268 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ most of the time < 1346871450 794823 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :patents are confusing. < 1346871472 592313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: But what if they sell the patent, including an agreement that says that the company that sold the patent is still allowed to sell those products? And then you invalidate the patent, making the agreement useless since it is already true anyways. < 1346871508 729300 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1346871512 521950 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are a symbol of corporate power.. i guess i should just accept that corporations are powerful and let it be < 1346871652 790444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I make the company I don't patent anything. < 1346871687 110457 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to think more before i post so that i can make some sense < 1346871689 878166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have enough money I would try to invalidate all patents, purchasing them first if necessary. < 1346871780 86513 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-130-86.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346871832 516705 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently computer icons can be patented < 1346871944 945282 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also animated icons < 1346871990 184023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They probably can be trademarks, though, regardless of if they can be patented or not. < 1346872010 216816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Patent office does wrong thing always. < 1346872529 139998 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the form "Claims: The ornamental design for an icon for a display screen, as shown and described." < 1346872535 782966 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1346872661 940421 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346872668 586370 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of the fun is they're all in monochrome < 1346872678 792810 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the ones i can see < 1346872686 826084 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i suppose in practice is that doesn't matter < 1346872717 926455 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-130-86.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346872778 664018 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact it appears all the big companies, microsoft, apple, xerox, motorola have applied for icon design patents < 1346872872 867044 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.. they get around the color thing < 1346872908 195023 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FIG 2 depicts second embodiment of an icon for a display screen where the background is lined to indicate the color blue " < 1346872919 521869 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^_^ < 1346872970 253163 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't trademarks be easier? < 1346873208 978746 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this one is a patent for a font that looks vaguely like wingdings < 1346873284 306347 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok enough of that < 1346873494 745272 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of silly patents, I presume http://graphics.stanford.edu/~seander/bithacks.html#IntegerAbs is well-known in here already < 1346873515 424050 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, well.. there you go < 1346873534 140130 :MoALTz!~no@92.2.127.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346873703 428036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there is the non-patented version and the patented one, and anyways it is likely invalid, is they said. < 1346873803 11458 :MoALTz!~no@92.2.127.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346874927 55218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346875490 20768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346875643 267625 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1346875817 587491 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346876113 367125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1346876431 77640 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen how do the category work anyway? is their a bot browsing all wiki pages and adding them to the right category pages? <-- it certainly updated immediately when i changed things yesterday < 1346876431 333044 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1346876714 709381 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-<><:p (+ 1 2) [<> 2 1] [5 <> 7] [9 4 <>]) => '[(3 2 1) (5 3 7) (9 4 3)] < 1346876741 304544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is that? < 1346876750 417313 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure < 1346876763 617505 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using a macro in https://github.com/rplevy/swiss-arrows < 1346876866 771330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/217130_3530847072634_1433380748_n.jpg <-- XD < 1346876886 639638 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1346876894 854935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :I HAVE NOW | Official channel of PEZ | PEZ is the best candy. Why have you abandoned PEZ? | Do not fret, PEZ can forgive you. Give yourself freely to PEZ. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1346877015 669567 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1346877051 591941 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346877168 137041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please notify me of any of the following in the RogueVM specification: * Vague or unclear statements * Mistakes (including typographical errors) * Things you fail to understand about this virtual machine * Things that you think are not designed very well and could be improved < 1346877186 678268 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346877193 724224 :itidus20!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au NICK :itidus21 < 1346877273 689999 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Complaints < 1346877396 858879 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the RogueVM spec, and what is RogueVM? I'm interested now < 1346877413 7995 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know you've been talking about it, but I haven't payed much attention before < 1346877439 566422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I posted here before, but OK I will repeat if you needed it: http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/roguevm/roguevm.tex http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/roguevm/roguevm.dvi < 1346877456 448454 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1346877487 980143 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( I'd like a nice HTML page that my browser doesn't feel a need to store in my Downloads directory but is willing to display directly < 1346877499 894826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :view-source:http://zzo38computer.cjb.net/roguevm/roguevm.tex < 1346877519 544230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't HTML, but it should display it directly. < 1346877522 743537 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe my browser's just being annoying < 1346877547 160424 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very much not working :( < 1346877588 71779 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just going to imagine that RogueVM is a VM for creating roguelike games using a higher-level language targetted at the VM < 1346877590 289507 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is yoir browser? < 1346877596 424894 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome < 1346877596 861761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best would be to just download it on command-line instead of using a browser. < 1346877611 240586 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh here we go, they got downloaded < 1346877626 238814 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have Yap installed on here for some reason, so the .dvi seems like it will work < 1346877627 645810 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of browsers you should try konqueror < 1346877648 203894 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, I was right < 1346877654 635886 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, you need Computer Modern fonts too, but if you have Yap then you probably have those too. < 1346877720 586346 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346877733 929569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes it is VM for creating roguelike games using a higher-level language targetted at the VM. (It can be used for some other games too, I suppose, though.) < 1346877764 492762 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey Phantom_Hoover < 1346877768 793079 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-<><:p (+ 1 2) [<> 2 1] [5 <> 7] [9 4 <>]) => '[(3 2 1) (5 3 7) (9 4 3)] < 1346877778 273552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1346877836 48277 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, why are you using ASCII? < 1346877858 87516 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1346877863 486183 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Why not? < 1346877881 812672 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saying the game title is in UTF-8 would allow for games with more international names < 1346877882 721366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is better than EBCDIC. < 1346877902 98862 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: actually you should use PETSCII < 1346877912 378527 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should try UTF-1. < 1346877925 739169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You could assign one of the custom metadata fields for UTF-8 title. However some computers might be ASCII-only which is why it uses that. < 1346877938 970976 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sHACHAF: the real one or my one? < 1346877954 171189 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real one. :-( < 1346877973 571662 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346877983 586355 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :my one with unary representation is better < 1346877990 782495 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if a RogueVM interpreter in Clojure would be a sane thing to make
< 1346878018 445045 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Try if you want to! (But you don't have to.) < 1346878032 823301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :First it would be good idea correct the specification ensure it is not mistake. < 1346878149 278584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you wish to assign any of the ETC/8000xxxx file numbers, notify me what you would like I can list them in the document for that purpose. Please note all are optional both by the compiler and by the interpreter!! < 1346878177 720855 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346878194 543385 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, are you the new me? < 1346878209 775336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the new everyone. < 1346878238 976976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether I'm the new you particularly, who knows. < 1346878253 170610 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : hello < 1346878279 58004 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh I was doing that before it was cool. < 1346878282 708304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think. < 1346878295 455430 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay < 1346878298 11284 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would... < 1346878303 552785 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like to be the new me? < 1346878313 571522 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how difficult it would be to port existing roguelikes to RogueVM < 1346878387 971731 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346878410 984265 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, depends, remind me if that youth parliament thing comes with any actual power or influence. < 1346878411 517275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Some have features which are deliberately unsupported in RogueVM. For example ADOM (which no source-codes available anyways), having to do with the slot machines and the bug cave. < 1346878422 352758 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, none at all < 1346878425 80305 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's the old me < 1346878431 644402 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I was unironically cool < 1346878436 463802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :slot machines? bug cave? < 1346878439 908380 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie, not cool at all < 1346878447 833181 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played ADOM < 1346878449 61803 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you're ironically uncool? < 1346878517 415091 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the slot machines if you hold down the space-bar it does not waste a turn to activate the slot machine a second time. For bug cave, you have to have played the game a certain number of times before they will let you in. These things are relatively minor, so a similar game could be implemented where these two rules are not used. < 1346878527 550077 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sHACHAF, now I'm just being me < 1346878530 562250 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all that entails < 1346878541 255909 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I go on IRC, I go to Homestuck meet-ups < 1346878544 131812 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I badly program < 1346878574 781435 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reblog things on tumblr < 1346878576 220898 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RogueVM has a SEX instruction. I am immaturely amused. < 1346878593 755475 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It is short for "sign extend". < 1346879369 729646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are Homestuck meet-ups? (In retrospect, I suppose that's kind of predictable.) < 1346879375 559594 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1346879392 92611 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346879441 981356 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's popular among teenage people with no otherwise social life < 1346879443 173839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@read '\2026' < 1346879443 344685 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `dummy' failed with: Prelude.read: no parse < 1346879448 964320 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@read "\2026" < 1346879449 135984 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ê < 1346879465 510242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, lambdabot, that is not how utf-8 works. < 1346879539 890771 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did she do? < 1346879558 620188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume she truncated the character to latin-1 < 1346879568 925431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showHex 2026 "" < 1346879569 999021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "7ea" < 1346879573 549423 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah, that's not the right character :( < 1346879577 849545 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: people stuck at home? < 1346879580 779008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "\xea" < 1346879581 971612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\234" < 1346879586 829323 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, indeed < 1346879588 933412 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "\xea" < 1346879589 435703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@read "\xea" < 1346879589 614242 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ê < 1346879589 954690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: : hPutChar: invalid argument (Invalid or incomplete mu... < 1346879599 887305 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn it, even in the future nothing works < 1346879608 909539 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should write a lambdabot replacement! < 1346879611 817992 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1346879617 737493 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :True. < 1346879623 898900 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad you agree < 1346879627 298108 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway it's not the future anymore. < 1346879671 228971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> test "\2026" < 1346879672 146657 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `test' < 1346879672 787788 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it the post-future? < 1346879676 187733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "\2026" < 1346879677 63492 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: : hPutChar: invalid argument (Invalid or incomplete mu... < 1346879686 234383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show $ text "\2026" < 1346879687 116739 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\2026" < 1346879700 262623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1346879711 954574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1346879741 774162 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @where test (@where+ test ߪ) < 1346879741 945268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ߪ < 1346879747 21021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am actually just trying to find a way to get the utf-8 bytes of it < 1346879777 317449 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1346879781 799839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1346879788 145571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "…" < 1346879789 166938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\8230" < 1346879793 78929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1346879814 839315 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "..." < 1346879815 207596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0x2026 < 1346879815 892641 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "..." < 1346879816 232460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1346879822 576781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0x2026 < 1346879823 432442 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "\2026" is in decimal. < 1346879823 641680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8230 < 1346879827 559941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha! < 1346879855 801152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sHACHAF: no, it's actually hex, as i discovered when i found the actual character to paste :P < 1346879879 728594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well you meant the \ notation < 1346879880 657244 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: No, it's definitely decimal. < 1346879908 782990 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\x2026", which is what you wanted, is in hexadecimal. < 1346879941 400703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sHACHAF: yes, but i didn't actually know that was what i wanted, because i thought the 2026 i found on the wiki was decimal < 1346879978 747402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^asc … < 1346879979 300576 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :226. < 1346880010 717439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord … < 1346880011 228778 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :226 128 166 < 1346880016 620886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1346880025 754370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so it is 3 bytes, anyway. < 1346880113 230083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anything that needs four hex digits, is. (Technically from U+0800 to U+FFFF.) < 1346880143 305695 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it great how 4+6+6 is 16? < 1346880144 594464 :augur!~augur@206.196.185.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346880182 621337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 5+6 is only 11. :/ < 1346880215 389785 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should it be instead? < 1346880262 457426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; if it were 12, it'd be easy to deduce the number of bytes from the number of hex digits. < 1346880285 189706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least 3+3*6 is exactly the necessary 21. < 1346880296 831712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Intelligent design at work?) < 1346880303 252273 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-94-245.as13285.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346880527 291842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realizes he should just go read how UTF-8 actually works :P
< 1346880808 990577 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think noone knows how UTF-8 works < 1346880821 974141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats itidus21 -----###
< 1346880853 800802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually quite simple. i just don't know the actual _details_. < 1346880888 456594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have added two instructions: ADD2C and SUB2C. < 1346880954 363178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough to convert codepoints to it in my head, that is. < 1346881031 835288 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did you figure out how UTF-8 works yet? < 1346881131 759291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'm reading the history section first < 1346881151 506924 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If the high bit is 0 it's just a codepoint <128. If it's 1, the first octet indicates how many there are by having that many 1s and then a 0. So 110xxxxx/1110xxxx/11110xxx < 1346881164 43122 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the rest of the octets are of the form 10xxxxxx. < 1346881170 615132 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you put all the xs together. < 1346881193 542183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realize that was the table on top of the next section, right? < 1346881227 181262 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when do *I* want to encourage the attitude of figuring things out for yourself? < 1346881240 454405 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd much rather spoonfeed people on IRC by typing in by hand things that they can find for themselves on the INternet. < 1346881284 264888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i note that the table seems to stop at 6 bytes although only 4 are used in real UTF-8 while the scheme _could_ work up to 8... < 1346881322 363894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's arbitrary, or maybe it will be explained later. < 1346881343 700828 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is defined to take 21 bits. < 1346881351 289709 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, less than 21 bits, actually. < 1346881357 374140 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so you can encode it with UTF-16. < 1346881412 865867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i note new characters are assigned all the time. what's the estimated time until they manage to fill that up? < 1346881525 605790 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0x10FFFF < 1346881526 688567 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1114111 < 1346881532 772615 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A while. < 1346881539 464082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1346881557 757552 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but nothing to stop them making a utf-8-ii < 1346881597 950672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: right but you'd think they'd learn from the y2k and ipv4 trouble... < 1346881612 52023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess that hadn't actually happened by then < 1346881650 991401 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rate of inventing new languages is somewhat lower than the rate of new IP hosts coming online < 1346881656 281596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: btw the utf-8 part is really fine, as i said the scheme looks extensible up to 8 bytes < 1346881657 914653 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might be in trouble if they continue this emoji thing < 1346881667 294665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes but emoticons man... < 1346881674 267908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's what you said < 1346881772 18159 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point in the future i expect interactive emoticons < 1346881782 774912 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i havent figured out exactly how that will work < 1346881810 751717 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an implementation of Chris Pressey's Full Moon Fever for Synchronet? < 1346881837 169713 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't expect them, I demand them. < 1346881862 513964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it wouldn't be too hard to extend the scheme to arbitrary bytes, just say the length mark 0 can just flow into x'es in the next bytes. < 1346881908 994020 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ok heres one.. an emoticon which is the backface of a card. and if anyone clicks on it, it flips over for everyone < 1346881931 24683 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :a variant could be a die which gets rolled if clicked upon < 1346881945 502934 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an emoticon that responds to your inputs, you must keep it happy or it will commit suicide < 1346881976 299905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :emogothci < 1346881980 505243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ch < 1346882010 739971 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :its funny how when chatting to others about something good ideas come more readily < 1346882033 761088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: your idea is obviously possible already with some javascript. < 1346882058 36086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone connecting to a common game server < 1346882061 995005 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well my past ideas involved guns < 1346882067 200499 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they all sucked < 1346882075 607298 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this idea, this has merit < 1346882086 72900 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easier to survive, i guess < 1346882152 323940 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would be something like {img:a.png,onclick:img=b.png} < 1346882184 895272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: as i said, there is already javascript for achieving it, just a little more verbose. < 1346882198 263065 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346882216 24568 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have used yahoo chat a long time unlike irc so i am used to animated colour smileys < 1346882217 557836 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346882246 675711 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Linearly extrapolating from Unicode 1 (7161 characters, October 1991) to Unicode 6 (109449 characters, October 2010) means they'll fill it in 184 or so years. (I've gratituously ignored Unicode 6.1 of January 2012, which seems to show they're not really keeping up.) < 1346882274 401027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so it's slowed down? < 1346882305 753559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode#Versions has a table. < 1346882313 602059 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the challenge is to keep it in the context of a scrolling chat, rather than a virtual environment < 1346882324 304178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd plot it if I knew how to type it up in W|A. < 1346882333 64996 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :which your javascript comment would make possible as you say < 1346882342 425763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use your own software instead of W|A < 1346882372 121681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is always so reasonable. < 1346882380 701642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Did you find anything in the RogueVM document, which you have question or require changed? < 1346882409 200046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use gnuplot, but its settings to use "time" data are crummy. < 1346882413 842999 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I kind of got bored, to be honest < 1346882496 678338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Then try something else < 1346882525 868705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: O, well, you did not even write any messages on here past then until now, so I didn't know. Tell someone else if they would know better. < 1346882749 174733 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://users.ics.aalto.fi/htkallas/unicode.png < 1346882750 11175 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346882777 866480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should have version number labels at each point and so on. < 1346882802 573261 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346882815 8897 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346882877 876792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it stopped at 6 bytes because of an earlier larger limit < 1346882896 385009 :sHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :Shachaf < 1346882979 72528 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, early ISO 10646 had 31 bits. < 1346883019 828870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a mention of the "groups" (256 planes form one) somewhere. < 1346883035 5456 :Slereah!~jackal@ANantes-259-1-207-250.w90-49.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1346883504 477712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1346883841 253940 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric < 1346884219 432572 :Shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :shachaf < 1346884364 931659 :Vitriol!~Vitriol@user-109-243-201-106.play-internet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346884392 12248 :Vitriol!~Vitriol@user-109-243-201-106.play-internet.pl PART :#esoteric < 1346885600 840159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1346886729 420249 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346887398 597745 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric