< 1346717334 948941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can "a is equal to this formula's Godel number" be implemented in Typographical Number Theory? < 1346718015 441398 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't that the whole point of Typographical Number Theory? < 1346718452 492708 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: Not really; they specified a formula to mean that itself is not provable; this is different. < 1346718617 65728 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in order to do that, you have to be able to talk about the formula's Gödel number. < 1346718651 891349 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1346718661 56257 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey I'm going to dump lines I need in here < 1346718662 593171 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUBLIC_ARCHIVE_URL = 'http://%(hostname)s/pipermail/%(listname)s/' < 1346718697 541801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM < 1346718701 299981 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I deleted some spam today! < 1346718704 685116 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means it's alright. < 1346718705 387887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1346718808 84834 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: -- do I need to care about this? < 1346718809 512683 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Pipermail assumes that message bodies contain US-ASCII text. < 1346718809 531407 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# Change this option to define a different character set to be used as < 1346718809 531593 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# the default character set for the archive. The term "character set" < 1346718809 531703 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# is used in MIME to refer to a method of converting a sequence of < 1346718809 531817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# octets into a sequence of characters. If you change the default < 1346718810 381541 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :# charset, you might need to add it to VERBATIM_ENCODING below. < 1346718884 619440 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you know about Postfix? < 1346718888 832725 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are these virtual domain things? < 1346718987 59432 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:33 TODO: -- do I need to care about this? < 1346718987 114937 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:33 # Pipermail assumes that message bodies contain US-ASCII text. < 1346718987 115112 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:33 # Change this option to define a different character set to be used as < 1346718989 905470 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:33 # the default character set for the archive. The term "character set" < 1346719019 217145 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: Who are you? < 1346719026 802292 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm shachaf. < 1346719030 256513 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't tell anyone!) < 1346719053 628590 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't get welcomed in here for some reason. < 1346719062 549863 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME shachaf < 1346719066 423689 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1346719228 32858 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:33:29 < elliott> # Pipermail assumes that message bodies contain US-ASCII text. < 1346719233 477351 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good grief, what is this, the 80s? < 1346719365 128338 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys < 1346719384 105557 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I'm in the middle of making a language but it's not complete yet, should I make a wiki page for it or not? < 1346719390 495821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the haskell.org pipermail definitely does _not_ format non-plain-ascii readably, i've noticed. < 1346719422 896921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: tradition says YES NO YES NO < 1346719424 275183 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote elliott unsafeCoerce < 1346719424 439862 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott says: I like how edwardk's answer to every question always goes "most abstract solution to the problem possible --> microoptimisation details". I swear I've seen him go < 1346719424 606617 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :from category theory to unboxed types and unsafeCoerce in a single line of IRC. < 1346719437 938880 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm that's an interesting answer oerjan < 1346719450 643600 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Good grief, what is this, the 80s? < 1346719452 421482 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1346719470 203982 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess i'll wait till it's a little more presentable < 1346719475 621527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: we will appreciate if you use preview rather than saving every tiny change, however. < 1346719492 626555 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes of course < 1346719502 56283 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: I will present one guideline: the first version of the page should contain a little more detail than http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Ragaraja&oldid=33401. < 1346719525 441448 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I'll try to top that < 1346719544 989858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: WHAT HAVE YOU DONE < 1346719550 523144 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, is their a name for languages which are based on data structure which behaviour is random? < 1346719622 624972 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: though it seems that older version of that page contain more details < 1346719646 121958 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the oldest version of that page, in fact < 1346719665 732889 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: So what's up, I am out of the loop. possibly out of several loops. all of the loops? < 1346719736 279312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well Fueue has been up, several interpreters and programs were written, include a TC proof (by guess who) < 1346719759 545084 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was kind of weird < 1346719763 49884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*including < 1346719784 53612 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I guess... SHACHAF. < 1346719812 751836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think atriq's interpreter is linked yet. (that's Taneb btw) < 1346719822 145035 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wake up one morning, check the fueue page, and it includes a section saying that it is turing complete... I come here, ask people what happened, and apparently the only sign was oerjan saying "another day, another TC proof" before going to sleep < 1346719823 749460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a very ... something ... guess. < 1346719858 141855 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know about atriq. I'm not *that* out of the loop yet. < 1346719863 857472 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope I can see only mines on the page and I would very much like to see atriq's < 1346719869 74541 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very capital guess < 1346719878 724867 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: oerjan likes to surprise us like that < 1346719885 478612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pretty sure i mumbled something about underload (minus S) possibly being convertible to fueue before that < 1346719917 964893 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Huh? < 1346719933 711618 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i found a truth machine in fueue on the truth machine's page, was that you? < 1346719936 60127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: Huh what? < 1346719947 485204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't think that was me < 1346719954 179113 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1346719982 621768 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I had an idea for a language where variables are shuffled every now and then < 1346719990 477711 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has that been done before? < 1346720000 983147 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What's wrong with guessing that I did a TC proof? < 1346720008 348953 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it because I don't care about esolangs? < 1346720009 52933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no Taneb did the truth-machine back in february < 1346720014 703135 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok < 1346720016 929644 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1346720043 460909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: it's not what i was hinting, anyway. < 1346720053 699717 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, variables are shuffled, like "it's annoying but deal with it, and try to prove that this language is still usable" < 1346720096 647460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall precisely, there was one where the values of variables degraded... < 1346720105 495082 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like inflation? < 1346720142 512693 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can't find anything about "degrade" or "degrading" or whatever on the wiki, though) < 1346720158 217137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Nondeterministic may have similar languages < 1346720167 116701 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also it's 3am here and I vaguely remember 4 hours ago when I told myself "let's go to sleep now", so i'll be off) < 1346720182 807259 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :occasionally shuffling variables sounds original < 1346720218 564698 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well basically the date structure is a queue + nine variables (or another arbitrary number) < 1346720225 429233 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that there is no "pop" function < 1346720244 140337 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346720253 342671 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whenever one of the nine cells's value is 0, it is immediately filled with the next number in the queue < 1346720268 936505 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :immediately followed by all nine variables being shuffled < 1346720291 206775 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: /nick MONQY < 1346720303 302393 :hagb4rd!~perdito@p5797255E.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346720303 467021 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1346720304 867692 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: happy occasion < 1346720307 692474 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1346720308 28048 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1346720313 361663 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the occasion < 1346720315 740896 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Happy occasion! < 1346720316 992817 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i died < 1346720321 923327 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: It's time to capitalize on the occasion,. < 1346720335 597730 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick MONQY < 1346720338 904947 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, have a nice good end of the night or whatever time it is < 1346720339 32281 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: /nick ELLIOTT < 1346720345 186066 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: /nick OERJAN < 1346720345 726057 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it's 2 am :( < 1346720371 487673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i cannot find the language i was thinking of < 1346720543 327944 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen several joke languages along the lines of "instructions have a random behaviour" but they were nothing more than jokes < 1346720578 927290 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :were they even jokes? < 1346720606 116107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is Sortle but it does the opposite of shuffling :) < 1346720664 699941 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no the ywere odd jokes ha ha < 1346720666 238750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"•Each Sorted! program is, in fact, sorted, albeit randomly. Hence the name!" < 1346720719 92326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gerson kurz right < 1346720736 239968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346720933 251996 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric < 1346720965 447849 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm confused about Sortle < 1346720974 279756 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hello world example < 1346721000 507954 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When hello renames itself to "hello, world", doesn't that get re-inserted before quit, and so shouldn't it get evaluated again? < 1346721035 934959 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess I'm uncertain about where evaluation resumes < 1346721089 865430 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had a sort of idea, while looking at huby.. a language which enforces a specific coding style < 1346721170 325571 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of c or c++ in particular.. especially forcing you to use exact names for the arguments to main < 1346721220 316787 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so **argv would be valid, but *argv[] would be invalid and **argsv would be invalid < 1346721328 596356 :hagb4rd!~perdito@p5797255E.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only achieve the final state of sophisticated huby coding while beeing naked < 1346721389 864331 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. i was looking at huby and i thought... what if it had code around it to make it a c polyglot? < 1346721435 709761 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Quit: Changing server < 1346721445 444849 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i thought, what if you had to copy certain text exactly at the start and end of a huby program < 1346721785 388492 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 18:22 SIGCHAF: thanks < 1346721824 645706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: looking at the comments of the perl implementation, control passes to the next expression after the _new_ place of the currently evaluated one < 1346721837 804976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it was deleted entirely < 1346721842 785907 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill -SIGCHAF SHACHAF < 1346721863 419815 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Segmentation fault (core dumped) < 1346721896 291493 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, spec should say that < 1346722525 17111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you put support to configure number of bits in a byte, in LLVM? < 1346722530 175346 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I asked LLVM IRC < 1346722684 734147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did not respond to me. < 1346723161 15285 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :RogueVM uses 32 bits in a byte so it would be useful to allow you to set bits in a byte to whatever you want, so this way it can combine for RogueVM, as well as systems with other numbers such as 36 bits, 7 bits, 18 bits, or whatever else it is. < 1346723212 636884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: does it have a separate concept of words? otherwise why not just declare 32 bits to be a word. < 1346723230 220673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's 4 ordinary bytes < 1346723268 780070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you'd need to turn off byte-specific instructions somehow < 1346723282 586306 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone in here play Backgammon? < 1346723292 760420 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I think I became interested in Backgammon because of here < 1346723457 13452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: RogueVM has no separate concept of words, but it calls 32 bits a byte, and 8 bits an octet. There are some instructions that deal with 64-bit numbers, but usually 32-bit numbers are dealt with. Addresses point to 32-bit words which is why it is called a byte. < 1346723502 890111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yes those things about LLVM are the thing to consider; I would want it to be part of the machine specification, to specify the number of bits in a byte, defaulting to 8 (current LLVM always uses 8 as far as I know, and this cannot be changed). < 1346723650 654378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I know Backgammon; someone showed me how to play, once. I have thought of making Backgammon Card, too. I sometimes play on X-BIT. < 1346723705 274608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The backgammon against computer played on X-BIT does not implement the doubling cube, and the person who showed me how to play at first also did not know how to use doubling cube, although I have later read a book to learn what it means.) < 1346723747 721651 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Octets are mostly used in describing the file format of RogueVM (the file format is actually a ZIP archive). < 1346723763 177108 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-49.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You could just use more normal terminology: you deal in 8 bit bytes and 32 bit words. < 1346723788 140584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: A "byte" is defined as the unit that the address points to. < 1346723820 109550 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-49.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: A "byte" is more commonly defined as an octet, regardless of how addressing works. < 1346723869 49950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes that is also one way it is defined; but I use "byte" in the other meaning. (I think the PDP-11 or something actually had another different meaning of "byte" than these two.) < 1346723919 38317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for the comments anyways; perhaps I should mention it with "N.B." or something like that to avoid confusion. < 1346723935 591146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is currently mentioned in the introduction, but not with "N.B.".) < 1346724082 132071 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346724578 493331 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346725581 34613 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a luck-involving game such as backgammon, do the future rolls of the dice count as "hidden information"? < 1346725723 599181 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1346725983 184197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i don't think so, no < 1346726822 211740 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1346726885 73217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t runST < 1346726886 263601 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall a. (forall s. ST s a) -> a < 1346727538 303167 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346727565 891705 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1346728794 268887 :hagb4rd!~perdito@p5797255E.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1346731216 158214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1346732358 557955 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346732499 968529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1346732521 923403 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1346732688 302268 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes feel like my thought processes are glacial: Slow but powerful < 1346732694 123222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the "slow" part that distresses me < 1346732707 931987 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I sometimes rely on cached mental formulas to do stuff quickly < 1346732726 618174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think slow sometimes (but sometimes faster) < 1346732740 11403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those other stuff too yes I do sometimes too < 1346732897 896443 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346733897 455934 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346735043 266366 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1346735389 275708 :Eladith!~eladith@gzrrplox.kortex.jyu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346735775 229824 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346735803 135130 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: seen kmc < 1346736669 501351 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome elliott < 1346736670 684722 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1346736672 20181 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Eladith < 1346736673 558157 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1346736675 595126 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eladith: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1346737133 235615 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-34-139-10.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346737300 217599 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-34-150-49.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1346739369 258043 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: at least in my game theory book randomness and hidden information are different chapters :P < 1346739582 115903 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it's only hidden information if it's not hidden to everyone? < 1346739922 880935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I do have some Postfix installations, if that counts. < 1346739992 838838 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: too bad i worked it out i think < 1346739997 425652 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why does it all suck and crap < 1346739999 93457 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my real question < 1346739999 931326 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of life < 1346740000 934885 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1346740002 235136 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sleep < 1346740031 439479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have life installations, so I don't really know about that. < 1346740069 312234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: I added "N.B." for the byte meaning 32 bits in this document since it is an important note ("N.B." is Latin for "important note") < 1346740083 91441 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.N. < 1346740107 551226 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346740367 727358 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Important, not." < 1346740807 133647 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346741599 515475 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1346741634 738606 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1346742441 221784 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever made a C code including things like this: struct { void*x[sizeof(short)==2?1:-5]; } < 1346742468 769850 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compile-time assert? < 1346742525 99325 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1346742558 270773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: Yes that is what it will do < 1346742572 807231 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think the conventional way to write it isn't quite like that. < 1346742580 381544 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm not surprised that you would write it like that. :-) < 1346742612 24880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you cannot use sizeof in the preprocessor! < 1346742738 263828 :ozquera!~ozquera@91-67-47-96-dynip.superkabel.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1346742762 608180 :ozquera!~ozquera@91-67-47-96-dynip.superkabel.de PART :#esoteric < 1346742780 689520 :nooga!~nooga@178-36-196-184.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346743094 144668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're writing C11 (I'm sure everybody is by now, it's already 2012!) you can write it as _Static_assert(sizeof(short) == 2, "my shorts are the wrong size"); < 1346743631 15610 :nooga!~nooga@178-36-196-184.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346745596 749640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346746286 280351 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346746678 390908 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346746687 6516 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "Juan de Vojnkov" someone on here? < 1346746693 668775 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Google+ thinks I may know him < 1346746918 693794 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god what is PEX < 1346746921 704091 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*PEZ < 1346747014 60840 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, is it bad that I call the Windows key on my keyboard "the flag button"? < 1346747246 922966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :By PEZ do you mean the candy dispenser things? < 1346747278 755042 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the thing that is referred to in the topic < 1346747288 559241 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which apparently has something to do with candy < 1346747289 432749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Well, it does mention candy. < 1346747289 766119 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe < 1346747318 579478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PEZ are these spring-loaded things where you stack candy to, and then you turn the "head" of it, and candy comes out. < 1346747330 66180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of like killing small critters by twisting their necks, and then candy. < 1346747360 988628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hello_Kitty_PEZ_dispenser_open_II.jpg -- kind of like this in action. < 1346747388 59794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though from what I seem to recall, the candy used to be pretty much white always, no matter what the official flavour was. That's very pink. < 1346747428 153617 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How odd < 1346747440 754474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some Pez dispensers can sell for large amounts as collectibles. The highest verifiable sale of a Pez dispenser was a private sale of a Mickey Mouse softhead at $7000 between an Austrian dealer and a US collector." < 1346747458 887535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Conventions are also annually held in Austria, Finland, Sweden, and in the US in Missouri, California, Minnesota, Connecticut and South Carolina." < 1346747464 63091 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Finland doing on that list? < 1346747466 598696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weirds. < 1346747490 651946 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're mixing Finland up with a thin lad < 1346747504 843063 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who collects Pezs < 1346747523 710620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, they sell also candy-only packages, so you can keep using your favourite dispenser. < 1346747551 463256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have a single PEZ device at home. < 1346747637 834724 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for the key, I've heard it called the "logo key" by people who don't want to reference Windows, but apparently "flag key" is used too. < 1346747661 639941 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It confuses people who I'm talking to < 1346747668 442478 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I say "press the flag key" < 1346747672 237589 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The what?" < 1346747680 900377 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You know, the one with the flag on it" < 1346747689 171633 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, the start button" < 1346747695 661155 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yeah, on the keyboard" < 1346747801 214632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can start calling it the "super key", that's what it usually produces. < 1346747860 298544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Caution: Might also confuse people.) < 1346748322 626778 :nortti_!~logibotti@62-183-153-2.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346748372 428726 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was all I had to say < 1346748373 983449 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye < 1346748376 190512 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1346750587 280957 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1346750622 855969 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1346751744 877664 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :shachaf < 1346752758 549038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :sHACHAF < 1346756685 269617 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs13950.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346757307 268474 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs13950.centertel.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1346757967 279424 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1346758724 134786 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346759453 516828 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346759512 11084 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346760004 934204 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346760023 843196 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan is http://esolangs.org/wiki/Entropy the language you were talking about? < 1346760024 424256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1346760246 591933 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346760340 575562 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1346760340 704176 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have any new messages. < 1346760425 686955 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1346760472 905027 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346760656 563688 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: so I haven't seen your haskell fueue interpreter < 1346760707 814559 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing a thing with it < 1346760720 639641 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I really ought to make back ups, but I don't < 1346761303 974612 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PART :#esoteric < 1346761395 887090 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1346761742 40310 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-126-181.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346763473 547428 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Woah wait what < 1346763494 763424 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :XChat is abandoned and XChat-WDK got renamed to HexChat and seeks to take over? < 1346763749 723465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former was I thought kind of old news. At least there hasn't been any releases in quite a while. < 1346763894 915834 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HexChat!? < 1346763909 392944 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For people from Hexham? < 1346764165 628466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For cursed people?! < 1346764180 211272 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For people cursed to be from Hexham!? < 1346764563 48559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fate worse than death?! < 1346764611 645767 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really < 1346764620 447114 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got a swimming pool and a bowling alley < 1346764627 632632 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And a lot of restaurants < 1346764645 458071 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, unless you need tex-mex and want a 100m swimming pool, Hexham's pretty good < 1346764670 448563 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#hexham-tourist-board < 1346764784 296362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, no tex-mex? I thought that was kind of everywhere. < 1346764793 258121 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1346764823 121038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was one in Järvenpää, which is kind of nowhere. < 1346764824 131450 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got French, Greek, two Italian (plus a take-away), Thai, Chinese.. < 1346764841 186264 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three Chinese and a take-away < 1346764842 858535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I suppose it was kind of Tex-Mex/Finnish ice-hockey bar hybrid. < 1346764849 584314 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The take away has nice chips < 1346764850 957593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it did look a bit out of place. < 1346764875 156978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I suppose Järvenpää is larger, population 38,993. < 1346764913 684449 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't have a climbing wall, either < 1346764928 692660 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are two small football teams(!) < 1346765188 83565 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO TEX-MEX < 1346765189 751264 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :?!?! < 1346765206 811064 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1346765210 422916 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No fast food, either < 1346765220 339139 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? Wow. < 1346765228 617554 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe that's not so unusual for the UK *shrugs* < 1346765233 647638 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :McDonald's tried to open one, but they couldn't get planning permission < 1346765237 729318 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the US, a small town without some burger joint is incomprehensible. < 1346765238 603223 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is pretty unusual for the UK < 1346765269 810699 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man. No fast food, and, because you're British, you don't know how to cook eggs. < 1346765273 905984 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How the hell do you Hexhamites live? < 1346765283 379469 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slowly, and without eggs < 1346765307 978293 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course < 1346765330 886463 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hard to argue with that logic *shrugs* < 1346765353 185017 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've got a few chippies, and they're kind of like fast food places < 1346765373 479183 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1346765694 807488 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even i can cook eggs.. i know 2 styles! hard boiled and fried. < 1346765752 934858 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad was keen on the idea of cooking eggs inside a sandwich maker, but that just doesn't work man < 1346765878 481924 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Fried” is at least five styles. If you don't agree, then you don't know how to cook eggs ;) < 1346765904 711023 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At lest six if you categorize “scrambled” within “fried”) < 1346765908 469103 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ill be specific, i know how to take a frying pan, put some oil in it, and break an egg into it < 1346765919 595931 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and end up with something edible < 1346765928 748018 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, even Brits can get that far, but they don't know how to cook an egg. < 1346765938 293441 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because {under,over} {easy,medium,hard} are all different. < 1346765978 604974 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they don't recognize that breaking a yolk can be a good thing. < 1346765995 221958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't know how to cook an egg either. < 1346766018 715152 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's reaaaaaaaally fun bringing foreigners to breakfast restaurants by the way. < 1346766027 410046 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“How do you want your eggs?” “... cooked?” < 1346766059 63323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though we do tend to have these "no-brand" in-a-non-mobile-trailer kind of fast food "places" quite often. < 1346766085 42921 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Food carts! Food carts can be FANTASTIC (or horrifying) < 1346766122 963450 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1346766123 305002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ours are on the determinedly non-fantastic end of the scale. Though I understand late night their queues make for the most popular places to get a knife in you. < 1346766155 970784 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super! < 1346766158 142504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least if you make the mistake of opening your mouth. < 1346766175 853428 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: the only brits I've seen cooking eggs took the frying pan, broke an egg on it, and then put oil on it < 1346766177 883476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grillikioski < 1346766195 969841 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: So they can't even get that part right??? < 1346766208 471093 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, if you ever find yourself in Portland, Oregon, do yourself a favor and don't shirk the food carts. < 1346766215 459732 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: oh, i at least took the effort of heating the pan first, and i got the oil out of a can with a broken nozzle < 1346766225 60078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What a coincidence: I'll be flying to Portland, Oregon this Saturday. < 1346766249 338825 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then back out from there next... Thursday.) < 1346766251 834881 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: in their defense it was only a student house restaurant < 1346766257 355245 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Oh? Whyzzat? < 1346766270 237190 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a mess, i felt like a cook from one of those horror movies who serves nothing actually edible < 1346766272 719328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There's the Interspeech 2012 conference Sun-Thu. < 1346766307 310421 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where in Portland? < 1346766336 291021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some Hilton Tower This Or That. < 1346766338 666859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hilton Portland & Executive Tower". < 1346766343 377012 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the Hilton. < 1346766356 79220 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a block o' food carts about four blocks up from that. < 1346766358 580614 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically i can't cook eggs good enough to serve to others < 1346766411 396561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There will probably be colleagues interested about lunch, I'll recommend the cart thing. Though I seem to recall reading something about Portland's food carts in wikitravel or somewhere, so I suppose they're kind of known. < 1346766427 227120 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are. It's no myth. < 1346766476 959852 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, off to go buy some just-in-case dollars. -> < 1346766894 46349 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346766921 157125 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346766996 872276 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346767506 179096 :derdon!~derdon@p5DE89976.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346769083 46285 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1346769408 267734 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346770207 920533 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1346770687 234059 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346770780 566819 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346770808 233457 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1346770974 995058 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346770992 552085 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : But there are two small football teams(!) < 1346771005 193880 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by small do you mean they only have 8 players < 1346771554 89974 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346771564 738433 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1346771564 907074 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1346771572 471664 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1346771572 639150 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 19h 38m 58s ago: No. + = 43, . = 46 < 1346771704 942410 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1346772035 706576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1346772600 171498 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord <$> "+." < 1346772601 495948 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [43,46] < 1346772611 208368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's right! < 1346772782 35110 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that depends of his definition of "right after" < 1346772913 682801 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for an alphabet consisting of only alphanumeric characters and + and ., ordered by their ASCII values; 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(... #php?) < 1346785045 975639 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1346785244 158546 :Nisstyre_!~yours@bas9-hamilton14-3096717720.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1346785267 402315 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the PHP of server-side web languages? < 1346785280 126188 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :php < 1346785280 626939 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP? < 1346785286 206253 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1346785344 690899 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :Nisstyre_ < 1346785412 905019 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the PHP of analogies < 1346785423 625209 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently windows is the php of operating systems < 1346785426 963134 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably car analogies < 1346785453 794657 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or monad tutorials < 1346785463 267640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What's the PHP of IRC bots? < 1346785464 181347 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes 15 minutes, throws out the tea, and steeps for 15 minutes < 1346785521 497961 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the php of esoteric programming languages? < 1346785523 166249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a script somewhere that could use fungot to continue sentences. It can be used to determine things. (Just things, in general.) < 1346785523 837510 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can you read from it...... < 1346785525 238410 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*what's < 1346785565 99828 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Windows is the PHP of operating systems, it turned up late, got real popular, got tons of shit supporting it and it's still shit." < 1346785594 520506 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what would apple be like? < 1346785608 29771 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux would be like the Perl of operating systems. < 1346785653 55541 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I had to change aux to auxm as Windows does not allow files named aux. After that the bare mode worked." "You should've seen my face when I realized you were speaking the truth :) Is windows the PHP of operating systems or what?!" < 1346785721 317390 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: what would be lisp of operating systems? < 1346785732 249220 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :forth of operating systems is forth < 1346785744 532881 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plan 9 is the LISP of operating systems. < 1346785752 497875 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^quoting google < 1346785756 643016 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1346785779 149236 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I have been wanting to try plan9 for some time < 1346785783 355134 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: solaris - long gone :p < 1346785793 282569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Genera is kind of also the LISP of operating systems. < 1346785809 150085 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: lisp isn't long gone < 1346785812 143908 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be an operating systems with lots of variants < 1346785815 356653 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: neither is solaris < 1346785821 602295 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes me think of linux < 1346785842 409858 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since Perl already is :( < 1346785846 845902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux: the everything of operating systems. < 1346785882 409170 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why there isn't a x86 port of genera? < 1346785885 998232 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is awesome < 1346785890 477013 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and, more comprehensively < 1346785893 13431 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl is the scripting language of Tk, Visual Basic of Windows, (a form of) Lisp of Emacs, PHP of web servers, and Java and Javascript of web browsers. < 1346785904 489235 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet explorer is also the php of browsers < 1346785939 518254 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye! < 1346785942 357474 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-19-133.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1346785951 182129 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I am wondering why itidus21's message was hilighted < 1346785981 432483 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't seen a single valid use for Java in a browser in a long time. < 1346785982 156116 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can help < 1346785989 109877 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: ill try a binary search < 1346785994 111126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old highlight set for "visual basic" to catch all those interesting discussions? < 1346786006 648302 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tcl is the scripting language of Tk, Visual Basic of Windows, (a form of) Lisp of Emacs, < 1346786013 77699 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that hilights < 1346786019 274428 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Visual Basic of Windows, (a form of) Lisp of Emacs, < 1346786022 986863 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346786028 485386 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visual Basic < 1346786033 545988 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1346786036 883361 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :humm < 1346786044 237361 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : of Windows, (a form of) Lisp of Emacs, < 1346786047 931482 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346786052 546819 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : of Windows, (a form of) < 1346786055 634421 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1346786060 907793 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Lisp of Emacs, < 1346786063 412843 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346786066 500938 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1346786068 547257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emacs? < 1346786074 630930 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1346786076 134620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lisp? < 1346786078 676385 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346786087 955974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting. < 1346786181 130635 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have hilights for nortti, oonbotti, dfc, touhou, 666, forth, lisp, glibc < 1346786202 356091 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and foo < 1346786220 963583 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346786285 649305 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. pc98 also < 1346786961 178380 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey does anyone know if there's a way to force a column in a class:wikitable to be a certain larger? (so that no newlines are inserted) < 1346787218 795630 :nortti__!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346787494 339300 :nortti__!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you know why I'm banned from ##asm? < 1346787985 164785 :nortti_!~logibotti@62-183-153-2.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: nortti_ < 1346787998 442135 :nortti!~juhani@87-93-68-142.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1346788007 608090 :nortti__!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :nortti < 1346788857 75354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have thought of backgammon card rules: You use the cards 1 to 6 from a deck of cards of four suits (24 cards in total). You have eighteen stones, four of which are suited (one for each suit) and the rest unsuited. Each player is dealt five cards, four face down and one face up. Doubles are only redoubled if both cards are of the same color as well. < 1346789462 803446 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1346789505 966953 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346789595 306420 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, thing! < 1346789599 936169 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing-y thing! < 1346789610 688133 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell the channel Homestucks! < 1346789947 317843 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://m.engadget.com/2012/09/04/unreleased-nokia-lauta-qwerty-slider-emerges/ I hope it is really called lauta and that is not just something lost in translation < 1346790248 160797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: The underlines, but I guess you found that out. < 1346790495 420625 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346790654 903852 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346791752 104939 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.68.215 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346791879 489605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized, the reason the person who shown me how to play backgammon, did not know the doubling cube, as well as a few other variants, is because it is Persian rules. Persian rules do not use doubling cube, and a piece hitting an opponent's piece in your home cannot move again on the same turn. < 1346792065 598823 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1346792077 941454 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.68.215 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346792123 493233 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :about the doubling cube, many strategy or tactic games could use it as a variant < 1346792164 5448 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you can have something similar to backgammons 1-2-3 points in a leg (a simple victory, a gammon or a backgammon) < 1346792165 69719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There... is a Kickstarter for a Homestuck adventure game. By Hussie. < 1346792307 937362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also in the Persian rules, you cannot score three points per game; only up to two are allowed.) < 1346792328 394022 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1346792328 412805 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the thing < 1346792328 564661 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thingy thing < 1346792387 199034 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I have spoken of < 1346792424 882395 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this real life < 1346792432 320874 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... < 1346792434 492105 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is < 1346792465 641740 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counterargument, what kind of real life includes a homestuck adventure game < 1346792481 351259 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, a really awesome one. < 1346792491 997419 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, they're going to cut all the cool corners. < 1346792541 879799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like the Alchemiter. < 1346792740 719210 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also note that they inexplicably void shipping charges to Fiji. < 1346792787 272417 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Hussie ships Fiji < 1346792832 710792 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346792862 64997 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, as of earlier today he ships everything. < 1346792945 303363 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the Titanic, the Red Oktober, ALL OF THEM < 1346792975 198289 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-2-126-181.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1346793019 142785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all ships are cannon < 1346793332 998190 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real life is overall stranger than homestuck < 1346793343 628353 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1346793349 889154 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a close one < 1346793362 518513 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :infact, homestuck is a part of real life, giving an indication of just how strange real life is :P < 1346793376 739188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK this thing has earned $156,000 in two hours. < 1346793387 821598 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1346793389 698182 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy < 1346793396 87803 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of those dollars are mine < 1346793408 854252 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also itidus21 is right I'm afraid, Homestuck is mostly confusing due to lack of a time slider during flashes. < 1346793444 202031 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well real life has spacetime < 1346793454 925301 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck as paradoxspacetime < 1346793461 599669 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway < 1346793472 543474 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's getting to the time when I don't let myself post on Tumblr < 1346793496 530956 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no way that homestuck's finite reality can be as weird as the infinite reality it is embedded within < 1346793500 111575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1346793510 38736 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there < 1346793517 103612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly not! < 1346793517 223267 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1346793521 294234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1346793521 627128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen said 9h 18m 17s ago: is http://esolangs.org/wiki/Entropy the language you were talking about? < 1346793535 67872 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is < 1346793563 635605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right it is < 1346793565 506074 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im afraid of homestuck in a way < 1346793575 407305 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why im getting all defensive < 1346793607 511510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i was looking just at Category:Nondeterministic, not Category:Probabilistic, so i didn't find it < 1346793658 845724 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was look just at "Random page" < 1346793662 214339 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : thats why im getting all defensive < 1346793671 142197 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I found a language that's random! < 1346793671 502787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1346793687 890125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you truly are an odd fellow iti < 1346793807 87214 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a bit sick in me head < 1346793813 42516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes probabilistic a subcategory of nondeterministic < 1346793990 469976 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you just did that < 1346794004 23338 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was thinking "wait, something's *different* < 1346794046 781205 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyway, i made a page for the language I was talking about yesterday when you brought up Entropy: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Knight_Shuffling_Tower < 1346794148 340605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: well it's the nondeterministic category, you cannot expect it to be the same each tim < 1346794151 589188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+e < 1346794157 886837 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodnight < 1346794159 58563 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-93-209.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1346794159 607881 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1346794323 405703 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah I know why it felt weird < 1346794372 441189 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had category:probabilistic and category:nondeterministic opened in two tabs; nondeterministic had probabilistic as a subcategory but probabilistic did not have nondeterministic as a parent category < 1346794594 932430 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I was wondering, are queue-based languages usually turing-complete? for instance on the stack page it is said that programs using two stacks are usually turing-complete; what about languages using a single queue? < 1346794817 453409 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the queue analogue of a pushdown automaton is turing complete < 1346794824 310623 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1346794839 676886 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you can easily cycle through the whole queue, which makes it like a random-access tape < 1346794862 310602 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly you can treat two stacks as a tape which goes from the bottom of the first stack to the top, and then from the top of the second stack to the bottom < 1346794869 933387 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :such that you move on the tape by popping from one and pushing to the other < 1346794885 799135 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and these are fun things to prove < 1346794897 448360 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had both of those on a problem set in computability and complexity < 1346794907 882538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact one of our very simplest TC languages, BCT, is queue-based < 1346794936 682089 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stephen wolfram trollface < 1346795000 479537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when your language isn't specifically more suited for emulating something else, emulating BCT is a good bet for proving TC-ness < 1346795078 853307 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :intersting < 1346795102 276784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, more general tag systems are what was used to prove rule 110 "universal" which stephen wolfram wrote about in his book < 1346795104 325792 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.112.185.214 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346795110 768325 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :new plan: I'm gonna prove the current version of kst turing-complete and then add some restrictions to make it less easily turing-complete < 1346795131 761621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(universal isn't quite the same as TC because this required an infinite setup) < 1346795188 249863 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know what wolfram's rules are - I started looking into it once and I don't even remember why I stopped < 1346795245 130223 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, in bct the datastring and the programstring are two strings? or is it the same? < 1346795287 797166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :two strings < 1346795324 818139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there was a variant which unified them, but i don't think anyone's managed to prove it TC. unless i did and forgot it :P < 1346795363 807420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1346795393 943155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: also implementing a tape as two stacks, then the stacks as (linked) lists is a nice way of getting a purely functional tape in ocaml or haskell < 1346795420 287237 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's what they call a zipper isn't it? < 1346795420 834295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one which can be extended automatically < 1346795459 909141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i guess that's true, although i think this may be older than the zipper concept, but maybe not. < 1346795533 491970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while getting a purely functional queue is a bitch in comparison < 1346795572 789069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(haskell's Data.Sequence uses "finger trees" for that) < 1346795584 252838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+module < 1346795675 737023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you want to reverse the entire data structure when wrapping around, then you can use the tape trick modified. finger trees have less latency or something. < 1346795707 223689 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in Ocaml you can easily implement linked lists so I don't see why a purely functional queue would be so hard to do < 1346795728 273478 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea what he's talking about, though < 1346795763 34781 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a totally unrelated matter: if I come across a category, say http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Concurrent_programming , that's not on the Special:Categorization page, should I add it there or what? < 1346795815 437078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: the thing is you cannot purely functionally _modify_ a two-way linked list efficiently < 1346795823 426196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while it's easy with mutation < 1346795832 951887 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :two-way? < 1346795842 846015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :links both forward and backward < 1346795844 720753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1346795847 903423 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a queue needs only one way < 1346795864 515425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well right. you cannot easily modify the end of a one-way one, either. :P < 1346795878 535300 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep probably not :/ < 1346795898 656534 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was think a deque would need two-way, but when I think about it a deque is kind of the same thing as two stacks < 1346795928 195321 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah hum maybe not < 1346795940 564876 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaand it's late so good night < 1346795956 540171 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if I'm still at 3am please swat me) < 1346796047 150968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: technically that category wasn't added properly, i see. we're supposed to discuss such things on Esolang talk:Categorization < 1346796064 949930 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's what I've come to understand < 1346796155 675056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a deque definitely needs something like two-way (or finger trees) < 1346796190 395969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i took the chance with Probabilistic as that was added by our former administrator < 1346796233 377045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose Concurrent_programming is only a couple years younger < 1346796252 899934 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a one-way cyclic list < 1346796254 950138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm not sure exactly _where_ it would fit on the page, so i think it still needs discussion. < 1346796262 148470 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's how Ocaml Queue module is implemented) < 1346796312 836449 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concurrent_programming is a subcategory of programming techniques - in my opinion it's more something like a paradigm or something < 1346796325 458125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: no - how would you remove the end element with a one-way cyclic list? < 1346796333 553683 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot get the second last easily < 1346796338 42022 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, true < 1346796376 748062 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can push at both ends and pop from one end out of two < 1346796385 572258 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that 75% works < 1346796435 626192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1346796445 438306 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that has nothing to do with the queue being cyclic < 1346797543 365580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hey does anyone know if there's a way to force a column in a class:wikitable to be a certain larger? (so that no newlines are inserted) < 1346797593 679405 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I was quite annoyed by the first column being one-word large and the second being one-page large < 1346797699 915812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the widest cell in the column, put style="white-space:nowrap" < 1346797813 951513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Qdeql&diff=31204&oldid=31190 shows how i used that in Qdeql before ehird added a simpler way to get preformatted code < 1346797828 343832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*get it for preformatted code < 1346797885 184918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means, btw, that if your column contains preformatted code, you may want to use the {| class="wikitable plainpres" method instead < 1346797887 531273 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346797930 910849 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm which it is. let me fix that for you. < 1346797953 230191 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it so obvious that I did not understood? < 1346797957 621019 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :understand* < 1346797979 216391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um you didn't? < 1346797988 382722 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum I'm trying to < 1346798024 344280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's a method that was added specifically for our wiki, because we have all these tables with code in them :) < 1346798025 673156 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's http://esolangs.org/wiki/Knight_Shuffling_Tower : the function tables, especially the conditionals/loops one, have a very thin first column which is annoying especially for the for loop < 1346798272 154614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1346798293 155504 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you replaced "code" with "pre" < 1346798300 335201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and added plainpres < 1346798314 922424 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it change? < 1346798336 641119 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it removes the border and margins around
s
< 1346798350 192512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they look almost like code
< 1346798388 586211 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm ok
< 1346798389 981905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can still be multiline.  also they don't change the background, which matters in ! fields
< 1346798415 500661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*! cells
< 1346798429 770897 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what does space:nowrap does?
< 1346798471 422429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :white-space:nowrap is a more general way of preventing wrapping
< 1346798568 92559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to be added to the widest cell in the column, but it still got so ugly for the Qdeql tables that ehird made the new method which is easier
< 1346798595 624772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well actually much of the ugliness was to avoid the background changing
< 1346798638 611259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh not to mention the horrible  s
< 1346798647 335798 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lending credibility to my claim that MySQL is the PHP of databases is the fact that MySQL advocates and PHP advocates have similar responses when you confront them with bizarre behavior from their respective programs
< 1346798653 732202 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, in skimming a few "MySQL sucks" threads
< 1346798701 966251 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.flickr.com/photos/raindrift/sets/72157629492908038/
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< 1346799371 953453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds a mention of plainpres to Help:Editing
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< 1346799795 343078 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thanks for all the help
< 1346799817 705466 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: also don't hesitate to come back for a round in frc :)
< 1346799827 368931 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have a good night everyone
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< 1346801140 34024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls his thesis advisor could make cheese soufflé
< 1346801173 517745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly because his wife refused to make it for him
< 1346801209 336730 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized in RogueVM I have only assigned four addressing modes even though it is three bits, so now I have added four more modes: Double-indirect by address, two registers indirect, R0-R3 with 16-bit offset, R0-R3 with 16-bit offset and reverse.
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< 1346801223 208634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wrote some things about assembly syntax.
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< 1346802287 701112 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one possible scenario is
< 1346802313 320453 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bob beats up tom 
< 1346802365 964321 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a con artist approaches tom infront of bob with a surefire getrich scheme
< 1346802380 244528 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who are they? What getrich scheme is it?
< 1346802385 788397 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the con artist has convinced bob, but not tom
< 1346802396 990438 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably some pyramid scheme
< 1346802415 202980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does he have to wait until Tom gets back up?
< 1346802416 870460 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so tom's arm now gets twisted to go along with the scheme
< 1346802432 212660 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh.. ^beats up occasionally
< 1346802438 905270 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK.
< 1346802441 654638 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know a better way to say this
< 1346802529 940972 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it means, sometimes people are under pressure from people around them to accept unreliable financial opportunities 
< 1346802563 102775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1346802576 197073 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people making these schemes will quickly catch onto this fact somehow
< 1346802611 758274 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe theres no actual substance to what i'm saying
< 1346802971 363670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was playing Dungeons&Dragons game today. Out-ambush the ambushers, out-assassinate the assassins, ...