< 1346544159 960578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am looking at LLVM document, so that once they add a byte size specification it could compile into RogueVM. < 1346544303 82365 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1346544379 118989 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1346544440 75996 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We request 16,000 random bytes of data from random.org. We then mix (using a bitwise XOR) those bytes with 16,000 internally generated pseudo-random bytes, in case there is a bias in the bytes from random.org. " < 1346544461 187312 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might the pseudorandomly-generated bytes be more problematic? < 1346544504 954581 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Either way, since they are not related to each other, it cannot cause more problem that they already have. < 1346544553 638873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if random.org has no bias, and the internal ones have no dependency on them, then the result will have no bias (basically one time pad theory) < 1346544588 937772 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that makes sense. < 1346544620 854569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what I meant. < 1346545469 450811 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1346545627 595931 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.63 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346545695 217644 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346545986 223644 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.63 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1346550798 200789 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But it's possible to take a biased source of entropy and unbias it < 1346550816 17857 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which random.org is guaranteed to do < 1346550817 256309 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only is it possible, it's a common CS interview question ;) < 1346550845 751369 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can turn independent flips of a biased coin into independent flips of a fair coin < 1346550862 927701 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not sure what you can do with non-independent inputs < 1346550870 12789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well assuming they're independent and equally distributed, that's easy < 1346550871 690846 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, if you get 01, that's a 1, if you've got 10, that's a 0 (or the other way around), if you get 11 or 00, you discard it < 1346550881 588296 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on what the dependence is < 1346550891 649740 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :This will work as long as there is no correlation between consecutive bits < 1346550918 83278 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you can do it a bit more efficiently, but yeah < 1346550946 796764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if even index bits have a different distribution than odd index bits >:) < 1346550979 190387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that is the only difference in distribution, then you can easily account for that, though. < 1346551023 882973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally. < 1346551045 61830 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Which Many True Things are Said. < 1346551091 401639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :And KMC Turns Inside Out. < 1346551126 346389 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, if the source is 010101010101010101010101 (strong correlation between bits) then it won't work at all < 1346551129 975965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :More efficiently by looking for 1100/0011/11110000/00001111/etc.? < 1346551147 483970 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember < 1346551186 173188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I heard Haswell is going to have a 56-bit address space. < 1346551190 865524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that's not actually a correlation, or rather the expression would become 0/0 or something like that. < 1346551195 749884 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1346551207 739746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for people like sbahra who were using those bits! < 1346551210 561152 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :up from 48? < 1346551214 34797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1346551218 664184 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, well, the architecture tries to discourage you from doing that :) < 1346551222 168335 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was sbahra doing? < 1346551236 254211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something in concurrencykit < 1346551244 174462 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: After 0, there is a 100% chance of 1 < 1346551246 617568 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And vice versa < 1346551290 845636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's a big enough win that he's adding some runtime checks for whether those can be used or not. < 1346551311 391214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: the definition of corr(X,Y) makes that 0/0 < 1346551330 592377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: the thing is you cannot correlate with something which doesn't actually _vary_. < 1346551376 654304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another clue is that the odds and even bits are actually independent then. < 1346551406 640386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the case whenever all probabilities are 0 or 1. < 1346552437 134982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What instructions and other features do you think would be useful for virtual machine used for roguelike games and other similar grid based games? < 1346552512 15997 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346552523 977981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mouse button on my computer might be broken; sometimes when I push once it act as double clicked < 1346552559 260111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to fix this? < 1346552592 946407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Push it half, rather than once. < 1346552599 169160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll count the half-click as a single click. < 1346552626 359241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This mouse cannot go half. Also, I do not think that is the problem. < 1346552740 109461 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346552751 342686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn i hate it when i've opened several tabs, taking great care to wait until each stops using cpu, and then _suddenly_ and old one wakes up and use it all up. and i cannot even find out which. < 1346552762 825453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an old < 1346552871 149897 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti why are you oerjan < 1346552874 142838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall a couple years ago or so, tabbed browsing used to be nice :( < 1346552886 335 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346552906 206089 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.63 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346552941 183867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you even open too many tabs at once? The problem is the browser is doing a lot of stuff because it is too complicated. < 1346553011 432822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but it shouldn't matter when each tab is not using cpu :( < 1346553061 861574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes they shouldn't be using CPU a lot anyways. < 1346553094 781434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just went through r/science on reddit and open all the tabs i wanted to read before reading most of them. and i had _just_ finished opening all when one of them started the thrashing < 1346553131 21936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turn off the features which cause that < 1346553150 173619 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Problem is, it is too complicated. < 1346553193 9156 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346553196 890555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Advertising blocker may be able to speed it up a bit and so can other things such as scripts off (or selectively), etc < 1346553447 238163 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ministat is such a great program < 1346553453 139077 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did someone here tell me about it? < 1346553523 139454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not me. < 1346553526 606271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even own a television. < 1346553547 579896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, not that sort of program. < 1346553571 280129 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c < 1346553596 367111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a program called "Yes, Minister" < 1346553612 438694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Followed by one called "Yes, Prime Minister" < 1346553617 226602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I remember correctly it was good. < 1346553620 975445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it's been a while.) < 1346553678 183830 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we get that here < 1346553687 889463 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to see it more often < 1346553776 256346 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occured to me when i was watching that once that politics and quantum physics have a lot of common ground < 1346553783 946386 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^mechanics < 1346553804 102292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what way? < 1346553887 841310 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i think that the trick to boiling an egg is filling a saucepan with regular tap water over a flame and adding an egg < 1346553910 111813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1346553914 561064 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this process really exemplifies the boiling of an egg < 1346553944 58301 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any more questions? < 1346553951 692902 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1346554004 250169 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah.. < 1346554029 779592 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dad explained to me once that the point was that they would say a lot without actually saying anything < 1346554041 641589 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the egg thing was a bad example of that < 1346554051 557673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks itidus21 just earned a hit with the saucepan ===\__/ < 1346554065 945016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A hot saucepan this time. < 1346554081 449592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With eggs in it. < 1346554092 793193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have any eggs. < 1346554113 595352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad. < 1346554114 126106 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i have been thinking about eggs.. < 1346554116 800598 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i do < 1346554240 837192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me review of RogueVM specification I have added a lot I need you to tell me if anything is wrong or if I missed anything important! < 1346554251 17420 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think it was an episode where the prime minister learns that if he announces something publically, it becomes official < 1346554272 655837 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where i was thinking about quantum < 1346554279 802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so that is how it works. < 1346554304 952669 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope and pray that the egg is not in any episode < 1346554379 390026 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just randomly tv watching one day < 1346554390 631892 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit like bird watching except birds follow a schedule < 1346554519 229202 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realized that today is an important holiday for my people (hippies) < 1346554543 540577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What important holiday is that? < 1346554553 645224 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the day on which the Man burns < 1346554594 586149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should've gone! < 1346554598 431957 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1346554615 945556 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm doing important startuppy things here < 1346554632 665997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of hippie are you? < 1346554636 245969 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i had delayed my employment another week, i wouldn't be employee #1! < 1346554640 798963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't actually know what "hippie" means. < 1346554645 455797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's employee #2? < 1346554647 865621 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know how much, like, cachet comes with that? < 1346554658 57987 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a person you probably don't know < 1346554663 300136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1346554670 318006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I know any of employee -3-0? < 1346554685 438515 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe? < 1346554690 109400 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know who you know < 1346554742 491231 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of hippie am i? the kind who has already been to Burning Man once ;) < 1346555027 924557 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you go to the stripe web ctf meetup? < 1346555034 866546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1346555043 796749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I talked about it a bit while I was half-asleep in here yesterday. < 1346555048 878752 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they say anything about another CTF? < 1346555064 352144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They talked as if they're planning to keep making them. < 1346555072 457490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember whether they said anything concrete. < 1346555210 33401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should add the word "kentucky" to your vocabulary. < 1346555229 304662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :«KENTUCKY (adv.) Fitting exactly and satisfyingly. The cardboard box that slides neatly into an exact space in a garage, or the last book which exactly fills a bookshelf, is said to fit 'real nice and kentucky'.» < 1346555256 391077 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1346555631 457990 :hagb4rd!~perdito@p5797220A.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1346555737 521286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OHIO < 1346555754 202086 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no escaping from ohio < 1346555793 701533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohio! Washington? Nevada. < 1346555955 9363 :Concreto!~Pina@187.95.232.251 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346556000 855343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waits for Abstracto to join, so we can have a superfight < 1346556094 998080 :Concreto!~Pina@187.95.232.251 PART :#esoteric < 1346556680 848149 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1346557225 311280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 20:39 <@lexande_> hunpuns < 1346557335 785310 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhachaf < 1346557355 722505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, lexande_ is here. < 1346557515 900216 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard there was a discussion of frequent flyer miles but i guess i'm rather late for that < 1346557798 983728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, no miles for you! < 1346558388 636002 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's okay, i think i have enough for my purposes < 1346558894 58292 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346559330 645378 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346559833 668601 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are going to have kilometres instead. < 1346560129 651397 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :LAN's frequent flyer program uses kilometres actually < 1346560134 272764 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know of any other that does < 1346560157 309584 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1346560160 615882 :coppro!~scshunt@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue kilometers? < 1346560179 352945 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :even e.g. Air France and Lufthansa use miles < 1346560219 497667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not like this word "tonne"/"metric ton". < 1346560237 552090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Good night < 1346560251 184358 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aeroflot even < 1346560863 630278 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Миля < 1346560958 617189 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewards programs were invented in the USA because airlines were prohibited from changing prices directly, yeah? < 1346560979 99252 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did a similar regulatory environment exist in other countries, or did they just copy the US rewards systems later? < 1346561076 46060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I hadn't heard about that. Makes some sense. < 1346561101 35094 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1346561103 923450 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, no the first frequent flyer programs were post-deregulation < 1346561120 290640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1346561126 821010 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really < 1346561326 886893 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the airlines had government-granted monopolies on many routes it was not so necessary for them to go out of their way to incentivise customer loyalty < 1346561350 373063 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346561490 919206 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had read that it was a backdoor mechanism for price competition < 1346561494 458581 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently this was inaccurate < 1346561501 674349 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-253-223.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346561560 299931 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did have other backdoor mechanisms back in the day, mostly in the form of inflight product < 1346561618 368361 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also those little houses you still get on KLM business class, because they weren't allowed to give customers "gifts" but they were allowed to give customers free alcohol < 1346561653 273238 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess those aren't really backdoor mechanisms, just competing on other things < 1346561653 439894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Houses? < 1346561676 672861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/KLM_DelftBlueHouses.PNG < 1346561735 831640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1346561854 868211 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346561969 670212 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1346561972 307338 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq < 1346561972 690385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1346561973 859964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you there < 1346562007 958404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> hi "elliott" < 1346562010 650630 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : helliott < 1346562018 243964 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1346562022 900054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1346562031 89906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't make that command. < 1346562037 664123 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was it who answered a few day ago about the RogueVM? At the time I did not write enough. Now I need help know if it is enough or if it is all wrong. < 1346562045 500546 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because, if it is all wrong, then I should fix it please < 1346562122 128973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Because, if it is all wrong, then I should fix it please < 1346562131 607597 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :858) Because, if it is all wrong, then I should fix it please < 1346562140 511614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday: 23:09 That still does not tell me what codes I need to make this internet service. < 1346562147 171716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Did you ever figure that out? < 1346562160 627995 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I did not. < 1346562208 161756 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1346562279 510663 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.63 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346562292 526633 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346562294 391929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.npr.org/2012/09/01/160386904/in-bike-friendly-copenhagen-highways-for-cyclists < 1346562294 939586 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346562297 990253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty friendly. < 1346562487 801110 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nytimes i think had an article about this recently < 1346562670 178483 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: please tell me you know http semantics < 1346562757 668366 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1346562771 219423 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's ok i solved it without you < 1346562771 254315 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about http? < 1346562772 139661 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :( < 1346562776 570519 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are u talking about < 1346562779 227134 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is it ok for /foo/bar to be 200 but /foo to be 404 < 1346562786 379101 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should i make /foo and /foo/ be 403 instead or whatever < 1346562807 859996 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kay, I'll just continue thinking about how much more performance I can squeeze out of this VM. < 1346562820 498372 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't know; i'd be surprised if that's in the spec < 1346562834 188216 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm worried that to do much more I'll need a JIT. < 1346562838 66603 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the interpretation of URLs as paths is pretty under-constrained < 1346562842 147366 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm *so close* to beating LuaJIT without one! < 1346562844 755997 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but idk < 1346562847 44344 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i don't care about spec, only what the cult ideology is < 1346562866 476590 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: what are you doing < 1346562874 328066 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well wrong cult < 1346562882 279907 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask someone who lives in SF and has tight jeans < 1346562888 596285 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Squeezing the clock cycles from an interpreter. < 1346562891 387783 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what's your cult < 1346562893 579876 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: interpreters for what < 1346562898 415505 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1346562915 539988 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Moderately artificial VM spec. < 1346562931 692114 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cult of the least fixed point < 1346562966 744105 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've already got it down to basically a threaded Forth interpreter in C. < 1346563033 727308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What VM is this? < 1346563075 872037 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The interpreter's https://github.com/pikhq/cmako, the VM's from https://github.com/JohnEarnest/Mako < 1346563084 488936 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the least fixed point is a great prophet but not my messiah < 1346563091 439556 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :John Earnest being the IRL name of RodgerTheGreat, who was last in here a few years ago. < 1346563356 101217 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been fun to work on, and at some point I got to where I need to start comparing any benchmarks I do with GCC and LuaJIT... < 1346563372 39050 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slower than both, of course, but by less than you'd expect. < 1346564087 403373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I saw a Union Pacific train when I was waiting at the Caltrain station! < 1346564090 67048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was very long. < 1346564143 105771 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of those three freight trains a day, for the benefit of which CAHSR is going to spend many billions more than otherwise necessary < 1346564609 43147 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :creating jobs! < 1346564672 736856 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :freight trains are very long < 1346564683 359660 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones that come through downtown Cambridge, MA on the surface are not so long < 1346564692 823946 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they go very slowly and people would get pissed off at waiting 20 minutes at the crossing < 1346564868 996010 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because there isn't all that much freight moving by rail east of the hudson < 1346565101 373679 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, especially not northeast of boston, which is the only place they'd be going if passing through downtown cambridge < 1346565203 688223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My DVD was making worrying noises, so I'm `dvdbackup`ing it. < 1346565213 362579 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's still making those noises but hopefully it'll only make them once. < 1346565222 64894 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dvds don't make noises, shachaf!!! < 1346565285 527218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh no! < 1346565290 967246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did I put in my DVD drive, then? < 1346565303 988821 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who was phone < 1346565332 404677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.2G < 1346565335 615367 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: kmc < 1346565343 813483 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 1.21G? < 1346565349 603681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sorry ':( < 1346565350 346830 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's trying to get out but he's too polite to bother you about it < 1346565361 407412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. I'm so sad I'm crying upwards. < 1346565361 575454 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1346565374 403961 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i am trapped inside shachaf's DVD drive < 1346565381 815278 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trapped in fortune cookie factory < 1346565565 359661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.6G < 1346566072 375297 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1346566332 780443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is making all sorts of exciting noises. < 1346566339 660658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether I could play music with it. < 1346566455 508786 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep, ttyl < 1346566459 293076 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck with your dvd < 1346566496 3365 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346566610 7154 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346566629 938020 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-141-159.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346566659 93041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the version numbering system of RogueVM good? (page 12) < 1346566799 48239 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346566936 317704 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346567183 513082 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read it? < 1346567199 129338 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-141-159.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346567253 103309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote about the version numbers only a few minutes ago. < 1346567284 376584 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, < 1346567285 553236 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe no :( < 1346567288 609278 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I am sure it is good! < 1346567318 927971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't a very good answer. < 1346567328 125436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/answer/reason/ < 1346567329 586031 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1346567330 705653 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am sorry < 1346567351 788529 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1346567418 526236 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis JOIN :#esoteric < 1346567612 922219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346568141 369357 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346568146 896811 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346568826 781730 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346568901 668420 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-254-203.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346568972 185148 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg JOIN :#esoteric < 1346568973 255007 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346569000 324070 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1346569026 354073 :pikhq!~pikhq@168-103-254-209.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1346569949 684625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1346570034 999032 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-141-159.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346571833 624727 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346571859 590094 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1346572052 61625 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-141-159.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1346572577 14083 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1346572651 831723 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346573005 960938 :augur_!~augur@206.196.187.63 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346573016 302470 :augur!~augur@206.196.187.63 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346573506 191843 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346573515 112127 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1346573564 549205 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles "crate", unsure which ones are actual crates and which ones are just rendered < 1346573816 295613 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346573825 261443 :pikhq_!~pikhq@168-103-254-203.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1346573966 305948 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-141-159.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346575595 235501 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think crates exist in real life < 1346575603 882866 :Lumpio-!~user@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't they just create the concept to have a handy structure to climb on in games? < 1346575625 947249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's ask a dictionary. < 1346575627 447268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn crate < 1346575627 948810 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "crate" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1346575628 113774 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :crate < 1346575628 281053 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: a rugged box (usually made of wood); used for shipping < 1346575628 299775 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2: the quantity contained in a crate [syn: {crate}, {crateful}] < 1346575628 299942 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : v 1: put into a crate; as for protection; "crate the paintings < 1346575630 81573 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : before shipping them to the museum" [ant: {uncrate}] < 1346575639 451012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it doesn't mention games. < 1346575987 941121 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mother doesn't mention games < 1346576460 974763 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1346576535 739314 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1346577767 89156 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346578272 263967 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry that was kind of mean < 1346579094 958235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was kind of median. < 1346579478 271852 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/AnotherTest/X.so yay < 1346579530 427573 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages? < 1346579530 593766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no messages today. < 1346579830 824759 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sad. :( < 1346581183 631471 :juhani!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346581248 587719 :juhani!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :nortti < 1346582036 16595 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1346583036 336014 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346583057 891562 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Something a :: Something a (Maybe (Ptr (Something a))) (Maybe (Ptr (Someting a))) < 1346583073 11169 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why Ptrs < 1346583088 851145 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Something a :: Something a (Maybe (Something a)) (Maybe (Something a)) < 1346583111 665397 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :left :: Something a -> Maybe (Something a); left (Something _ a _) = a < 1346583128 407136 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right :: Something a -> Maybe (Something a); right (Something _ _ a) = a < 1346583187 103954 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo :: Something (); foo = Something () (Just foo) (Just foo) < 1346583499 743332 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been playing magic the gathering < 1346583501 778529 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone else play this game? < 1346583508 234423 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more of a Sopio fan < 1346583533 842727 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you like to play a variant of chess with portals? < 1346583555 164372 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :and projectile attacks? < 1346583563 653792 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't kallisti do that a while back? < 1346583569 172325 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1346583572 438611 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org NICK :kallisti < 1346583573 938168 :kallisti!~eris@spirity.org NICK :spirity < 1346583576 439800 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1346583578 402899 :Taneb!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net NICK :atriq < 1346583580 392227 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai < 1346583583 173303 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Already have, heh < 1346583590 755218 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow imagine that. < 1346583600 136197 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of a few tweaks < 1346583626 761170 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Go on? < 1346583655 524512 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't sure what the queen should be < 1346583696 78948 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be a piece that produces reflectors < 1346583703 215076 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are just little tokens. coins or dice or whatever. < 1346583733 283315 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also < 1346583746 134293 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be interesting to have a special rule that enables you to revive old pieces < 1346583764 881395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spirity: Can you just stick with one nick, please? < 1346583772 406960 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. I will stick with this one. < 1346583813 670055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you stick with one of the previous ones? < 1346583835 424601 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :why should I do that? < 1346583848 371076 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't kallisti mean "for the fairest" or something in Greek? < 1346583870 792802 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1346583882 216540 :spirity!~eris@spirity.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I worship the god Eris < 1346583901 767067 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough < 1346583923 288011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should try irc.efnet.org < 1346583980 449139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds illogical. < 1346584005 128239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the Eris-Free network, after all. < 1346584057 346263 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346584078 733073 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1346584095 513927 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1346585141 928421 :nortti_!~logibotti@62-183-153-2.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346585235 956812 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346585302 877903 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1346585343 740612 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1346585381 897823 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :d indeed < 1346585697 81583 :lexande_!arapp@minthe.ugcs.caltech.edu PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1346586382 952456 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346586772 869891 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346587163 285176 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1346587179 268517 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346587290 127384 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be QUIT :Client Quit < 1346587373 941757 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346589293 99308 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346589306 332504 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346589752 53854 :atriq!~Taneb@host-84-13-66-18.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1346589945 487135 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1346590340 300899 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346592231 101051 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346592232 364009 :AnotherTest1!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346593146 319063 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: the last thought i had about chess was to take away the board, and play on some arbitrary real world terrain < 1346593252 489417 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an extension of that idea would be that anywhere on earth counts as the board < 1346593267 177916 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What are you doing in my house!?" < 1346593269 982574 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Playing chess" < 1346593293 183296 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm trying to sleep!" < 1346593320 505530 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hey, you didn't complain when Dan moved his rook into the Tate Modern" < 1346593332 871250 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why on earth would he do that!?" < 1346593346 635213 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To pin my bishop against my queen so I couldn't check him." < 1346593622 94857 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1346593980 57328 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the game of chess takes place on chessboard on mars surface, "what you're using insanely expensive computer equipment to play games?" < 1346594006 625974 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"don't worry, i will be a hero in 70 years" < 1346595251 510838 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346595279 118204 :AnotherTest1!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1346595298 968272 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346595458 267673 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1346596239 808657 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"stalemate" "no! I was about to discover water under his rook!" < 1346596310 715762 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“If you know what I mean.” < 1346596515 835440 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1346596618 648372 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"talking about exploration rovers... I'm pretty sure I don't want to know what you mean" < 1346597802 157209 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346597830 212925 :kinoSi!~kinosi@27-96-32-84.ipq.jp JOIN :#esoteric < 1346598368 953451 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346598471 325906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why are we talking all in quotes?" < 1346598527 882674 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1346598531 704964 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'll be back." < 1346598541 38687 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1346598575 562592 :monqy!~swell@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1346598602 467630 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello" < 1346598612 67263 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My name is Inigo Montoya" < 1346598616 261266 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You killed my father" < 1346598619 422247 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Prepare to die" < 1346598649 801195 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, we were still on this? < 1346599248 199945 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I don't know." < 1346599445 420554 :augur_!~augur@206.196.187.63 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346599644 255952 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1346600159 620005 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out that upgrading X was actually useful < 1346600528 38865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How interesting." < 1346600535 699898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc int main(void) { char prog = 'X'; prog--; printf("downgraded X: %c(ayland)", prog); } < 1346600539 832733 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :downgraded X: W(ayland) < 1346600777 448054 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc int main(void { int x = 10; printf("%d", (x-- * x--) + x--); } < 1346600781 366471 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1346600801 313907 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc int main(void) { int x = 10; printf("%d", (x-- * x--) + x--); } < 1346600806 103734 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :110 < 1346600831 386265 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How curious < 1346600833 129334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this, some kind of undefinedness competition? < 1346600842 746464 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1346600848 58666 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is EXACTLY what this is < 1346601224 384120 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the same as GCC, for probably very simple reasons < 1346601274 589030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't be so sure that "GCC" (every version, every platform) does the same thing there. < 1346601284 796757 :mig22!~miguelort@bb116-15-65-102.singnet.com.sg QUIT :Quit: mig22 < 1346601381 78882 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: in nandypants, what do you mean "Adds a to the output stream"? < 1346601397 799242 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's going a long way back < 1346601411 529301 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what implementation is `runc? < 1346601427 949312 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The contents of the cell pointed to in tape A, Arc_Koen < 1346601450 91062 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In whatever format the implementer wants < 1346601450 257148 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's just echo "$@" | gcc -x c - -o $t && $t. < 1346601464 955996 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1346601469 43183 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i got that, but what does the output stream do with it? print it as a 0 or 1? or wait to have 8 bits before printing it as a char? < 1346601504 745469 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementation dependant < 1346601507 779456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The !c in EgoBot has some kind of an unconditional main-wrapping around it. < 1346601509 190046 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("x\n"); < 1346601510 21782 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never really thought about it? < 1346601511 417236 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1346601512 251080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main(void) { printf("x\n"); } < 1346601514 205658 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1346601548 958039 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! int main(void {printf("x\n");}; main < 1346601553 309170 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main(void {printf("x\n");}; main < 1346601554 688366 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1346601586 342054 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1346601618 282780 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like ##c's candide's ,cc, it's got all kinds of stuff like a lot of guesswork about what code goes where, support for giving options, input, doing editing and s///'s on the program, gdb integration and whatnot. < 1346601661 879923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't generate any output, it produces a list of all locals of main by default. < 1346601676 598813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, you need to have brackets after main to call it..l. < 1346601682 960197 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah < 1346601690 187577 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is not something I am very good at < 1346601693 463444 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main(void {printf("x\n");}; main() < 1346601695 116967 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1346601695 988361 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:01 ,cc int x = 10; int y = (x++ * x++) + x++; < 1346601696 7086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:01 fizzie: [warning: operation on 'x' may be undefined [-Wsequence-point] warning: operation on 'x' may be undefined [-Wsequence-point]] < 1346601701 941027 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main(void) {printf("x\n");}; main() < 1346601704 208279 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :x < 1346601716 92806 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed a bracket < 1346601739 697832 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to know what that actually compiled. < 1346601767 37567 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: you don't need to call main < 1346601775 285223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly a nested function inside the autogenerated main. < 1346601784 991468 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, in this implementation you do < 1346601792 297900 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main(void) {printf("x\n");} < 1346601794 389422 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1346601799 31961 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, ok < 1346601811 944416 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It runs C statements, not C programs < 1346601827 155293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably because it ends up as int main(void) { int main(void) { printf("x\n"); } } for !c. < 1346602058 18884 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Should I use my free EC2 micro instance for something? < 1346602065 144726 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could move IRC and other chat to it < 1346602173 954123 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'm tempted to do the same. < 1346602459 725510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then all the CONFIDENTIAL #esoteric chatter would be OBSERVED by a MULTINATIONAL CORPORATION. < 1346602537 924369 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they would use timing attacks to steal my cryptos :( < 1346602556 15680 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 'they' i mean anyone with an instance on the same hardware < 1346602660 369965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They would use acoustic sidechannel attacs using the accidentally user-exposed microphone on the neighbouring machines, too. < 1346602792 804129 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your mind is the scene of the crime < 1346603061 357755 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c while(1) fork(); < 1346603136 128009 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("Still alive?\n"); < 1346603138 171676 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still alive? < 1346603155 521284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Spaghetti fork: A fork with a metal shaft loosely fitted inside a hollow plastic handle. The shaft protrudes through the top of the handle, ending in a bend that allows the metal part of the fork to be easily rotated with one hand while the other hand is holding the plastic handle. This supposedly allows spaghetti to be easily wound onto the tines. Electric variations of this fork have become ... < 1346603156 19963 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c asm("nop"); < 1346603158 559068 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1346603162 12418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... more prevalent in modern times." < 1346603164 507130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why have I never seen an electronic spaghetti fork? < 1346603232 192192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or a cranked one, for that matter.) < 1346603280 471883 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%ul\n", sizeof(void*)); < 1346603282 717213 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8l < 1346603286 996507 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1346603313 789164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%zu\n", sizeof (void*)); /* let's be correct about it, okay? */ < 1346603316 438560 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 < 1346603346 356561 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%zu\n", sizeof main); /* And sillier about it too? */ < 1346603348 475212 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1346603360 590503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's indeed very silly. < 1346603385 189506 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... But main is a int(*)(int,char**). Surely that's not size 1. < 1346603393 579476 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The sizeof operator shall not be applied to an expression that has function type --" < 1346603413 624830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing about function designators automatically yielding a pointer does not work when it's an operand of sizeof. < 1346603457 383626 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C11 6.3.2.1p4 and 6.5.3.4p1.) < 1346603459 688818 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. It's actually getting the size of the function itself, and in GNU C a function has size 1 for confusing reasons having to do with pointer arithmetic on function pointers and void pointers being permitted. < 1346603483 690629 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%zu\n", sizeof(int(*)(int,char**))); < 1346603486 13965 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 < 1346603490 621145 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better. < 1346603495 53740 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("%zu\n", sizeof &main); /* is also okay */ < 1346603497 297173 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 < 1346603545 448328 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int x=0; printf("%d\n", x); < 1346603547 698741 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < 1346603572 738979 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c unsigned int x[4] = { 0 }; asm("cpuid" : "=b"(x[0]), "=d"(x[1]), "=c"(x[2]) : "a"(0)); printf("%s\n", (char *) x); < 1346603574 984745 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AuthenticAMD < 1346603636 966095 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Havin' fun? < 1346603640 950736 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1346603649 525710 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo You realize I'm more fun, right? < 1346603652 434355 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You realize I'm more fun, right? < 1346603659 121257 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i have used HackEgo < 1346603664 281399 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i run C code with HackEgo? < 1346603669 367735 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gcc < 1346603672 629672 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc: no input files < 1346603683 861607 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have a one-liner function like EgoBot? < 1346603690 133430 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just added that 'runc' there. < 1346603695 873627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just asked about it, too. < 1346603698 866879 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc printf("foo\n"); < 1346603702 651683 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1346603702 818233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346603704 939895 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't main-wrap. < 1346603713 285264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc int main(void) { printf("foo\n"); } < 1346603713 617995 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc int main() { printf("foo\n"); } < 1346603717 563097 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1346603724 628671 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runc int main() { unsigned int x[4] = { 0 }; asm("cpuid" : "=b"(x[0]), "=d"(x[1]), "=c"(x[2]) : "a"(0)); printf("%s\n", (char *) x); } < 1346603728 937838 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AuthenticAMD < 1346603733 722673 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My eventual goal was to replace EgoBot entirely with HackEgo functionality, but I'm a lazy punk. < 1346603734 393440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't those run on the same system, anyway? < 1346603734 929929 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1346603751 218155 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, they're fundamentally the same except that HackEgo has a persistent FS. < 1346603794 933423 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346604090 889259 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, GCC will optimize printf("%s\n", x) to puts(x) < 1346604158 398953 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1346604178 368427 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i could say that's due to some crazy partial evaluation supercompilation mumbo < 1346604186 323300 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's almost certainly due to GCC's hard-coded knowledge of printf < 1346604195 972131 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346604212 112596 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it is. < 1346604261 317357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC knows about timed hits. < 1346604313 440140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't optimize printf("%d\n", 1); to puts("1");, however. (At least mine doesn't.) < 1346604316 904871 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346604331 352049 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :timed hits? < 1346604366 465910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Super Mario RPG reference. < 1346604376 207032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also a tvtropes trope.) < 1346604416 278592 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1346604419 231953 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fuck < 1346604424 531323 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing my homework online < 1346604426 974878 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiple choice < 1346604436 863193 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is pretty blatently not one of the choices < 1346604517 81593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inspect Element and write your own. (Is not going to do anything sensible.) < 1346604536 951375 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1346605222 32882 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop out of school < 1346606122 429182 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the correct answer is here, not sure what I was thinking before < 1346606240 276429 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346606411 917411 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1346606913 21615 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346606918 518760 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1346606936 307191 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1346607081 905402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Like what? < 1346607142 785903 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know! < 1346607149 646639 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe move IRC and other chat to it < 1346607151 561257 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346607179 100501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could get a "real" VPS thing instead of an EC2 Micro instance. < 1346607206 113956 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but the EC2 micro instance is free, and I've already signed up for the service < 1346607235 298897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, running IRC on it sounds reasonable, I guess. < 1346607266 666089 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait - is #esoteric moving from freenode? < 1346607283 569027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes -- we're all going to go onto kmc's little EC2 Micro Instance. < 1346607301 76703 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't sound good, but I assume irony < 1346607312 973189 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: i meant that I would run my IRC client on said micro instance < 1346607319 636665 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1346607327 474977 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry wasn't following < 1346607330 96927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: I assure you there was no irony intended. < 1346607336 932388 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't very clear < 1346607387 408397 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatthefuck < 1346607404 96411 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.flounder.com/badprogram.htm#clipboard < 1346607414 262736 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've seen people use it for interprocess communication. This is absolutely beyond any shadow of a doubt the WRONG thing to do." < 1346607422 84541 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why the fuck would anyone use the clipboard like that < 1346607439 161489 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because people are stupid < 1346607484 546701 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :more charitably, because people are interested in getting their particular thing working in their particular environment, and don't worry about it being robust or "good practice" < 1346607587 372450 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you reading about bad code? < 1346607592 190401 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :That always makes me sad < 1346607605 118255 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use of malloc/free in C++ programs -> so true < 1346607649 80119 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that's not "potentially harmful" < 1346607660 939569 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be "potentially fatal" < 1346607670 215074 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, that one's not so bad, assuming you're using it for POD and not objects < 1346607670 548721 :donmarquis!~donmarqui@gateway/tor-sasl/donmarquis JOIN :#esoteric < 1346607677 848562 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :delete something that was allocated with malloc (with C++ delete) < 1346607681 839079 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be fatal < 1346607687 306896 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's another matter < 1346607724 132656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you never want to do it with C++ delete. That's why I use C/C++ delete. < 1346607772 29444 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't "not using RAII" on the list? < 1346607793 542382 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. it isn't < 1346607957 590299 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's just windows applications < 1346608015 122323 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has anyone here ever heard of "Anshu Avinash of the Programming Club" < 1346608021 995580 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :pclub.in or something < 1346608215 698724 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he's trying to steal my source code :( < 1346608215 754670 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well he might not. Not sure. < 1346608597 684964 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1346608682 300510 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346608753 88890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could say that regular copying and pasting is a form of interprocess communication. < 1346609003 804201 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1346609049 633666 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1346609101 61472 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1346609265 659472 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1346609730 2545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1346609837 935407 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure's -> annoys me < 1346609843 490110 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.fogus.me/2010/09/28/thrush-in-clojure-redux/ < 1346610268 282923 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to Arco AM/PM Mini-market. We would like to advise our customers that any individual who offers to pump gas, wash windows, or solicit products is not employed by or affiliated with this facility. We discourage any contact with these individuals, and ask that you report any problems to uniformed personnel inside. < 1346610273 316548 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you for shopping at Arco AM/PM, and have a pleasant day. < 1346610340 559084 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net TOPIC #esoteric :Welcome to Arco AM/PM Mini-market. We would like to advise our customers that any individual who offers to pump gas, wash windows, or solicit products is not employed by or affiliated with this facility. We discourage any contact with these individuals. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1346610361 840570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@arrco < 1346610362 6339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drink up, me 'earties < 1346610481 273490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the "AM/PM" for? Open often? < 1346610543 385977 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1346610555 587425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The web-shop of the Finnish national railway company (VR) is closed from 23:30 to 06:00. Because, as everyone knows, the Internet is closed at night. < 1346610586 358355 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346610599 800448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You get timetables 24H, but it's not possible to buy tickets during that time.) < 1346610614 188116 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the B&H Photo website closes for the Sabbath < 1346610663 138462 :sinbitt!~Tim@cpe-98-151-56-241.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1346610720 799253 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and our bank said that extra mortgage payments are discouraged near the start/end of month when the scheduled payment goes, because if it happens too close to it, the system might get all confused, and then there might be trouble. (Completely coincidentally, there was a recent magazine article about the state of the COBOL, which mentioned the bank in question still having large COBOL ... < 1346610726 743666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... systems up and running.) < 1346610737 120977 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of people have large COBOL systems up and running < 1346610745 730823 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't. < 1346610769 452509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, it's possible some of those systems can be a bit... inflexible. < 1346610793 256289 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1346610806 731325 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but replacing it would involve a huge amount of expense and trouble < 1346610814 752103 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and will probably result in something that's even buggier < 1346610832 621149 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the 30 year old COBOL program's bugs are probably well documented < 1346610872 398098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did say their current development uses Java technologies, IIRC. < 1346610885 415368 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Java truly is the COBOL of the 21st Century < 1346610906 411434 :sinbitt!~Tim@cpe-98-151-56-241.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1346610957 255771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're having some trouble finding "real" COBOL programmers, that would still happen to be alive. Apparently there's a reasonable supply of people who know it somewhat well, but the Real Men are dying off. < 1346611015 190895 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a problem < 1346611060 787247 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learning COBOL is actually fucking hard. < 1346611068 602522 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the problem imo :) < 1346611077 831653 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a little bit of the basics < 1346611101 677849 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like lisp, python, php, ruby, java which you can learn the basics in less than a week < 1346611164 16877 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the basics are that difficult < 1346611187 720516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mr. oman < 1346611217 987184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each program is divided into divisions. There's a division for information about the program, a division for things such as files that will be accessed, a division for declaring all variables that will be used, I think there's other divisions, and there's a division for the actual instructions that will be run < 1346611244 569092 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1346611249 265688 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The last division is divided into I forget the term. Either paragraphs or procedures. < 1346611304 97295 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/cobol < 1346611319 638707 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are people who want to learn COBOL, and an article saying why you should learn COBOL < 1346611337 459232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cobol.com/ < 1346611357 950236 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't beleive in "why you should" articles. < 1346611357 978614 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's, like, MVC, man < 1346611373 229581 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially in "why you should learn" and "why you should beleive" < 1346611382 770939 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1346611422 943192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're always written by moralists. < 1346611436 38371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ih8u moralists" < 1346611501 792256 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Because there are always reasons for anything. < 1346611592 82644 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sponsors of every language can tell you each 20 reasons to learn their language. < 1346611608 123147 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some of them might even be the same. < 1346611688 326572 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 75% of the reasons are actually good reasons. < 1346611739 701412 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they are written from a personal viewpoint of the author. < 1346611779 141477 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"why you should not believe why you should articles" < 1346611782 591592 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ultimatively biases it. < 1346611793 119598 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Nice one ;) < 1346611823 706380 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are a COBOL programmer I'd actually want you to give me reasons NOT TO learn COBOL < 1346611849 282423 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if there are few reasons not to learn it, then I actually might. < 1346611863 684150 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: uh, of course the articles are biased, you have to take that into account when you read it < 1346611872 356039 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you in general refuse to read anything with an opinion < 1346611888 51961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I only read the unbiased weblog articles on the Internet. < 1346611890 94004 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If somebody really knows his stuff, he can tell me the weaknesses of it. < 1346611892 18079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a time-saving measure. < 1346611892 748732 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you will find a lot of information that doesn't contain opinion < 1346611902 893325 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Else he's just so biased of his language that I just won't listen to him. < 1346611914 522455 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: maybe that should be a different article though < 1346611916 362808 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1346611931 476208 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :biased or not, such articles can still make you aware of cool features that make the language worth learning < 1346611935 960417 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :note also, worth learning != worth using < 1346611937 878380 :nooga_!~nooga@178-37-138-66.adsl.inetia.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1346611947 766466 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :They provide an insight, yes. < 1346611950 894773 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agreed. < 1346611960 483531 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's write a "Why you should learn brainfuck" < 1346611976 723063 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1346611983 349219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A "why you should make a brainfuck derivative" article is what the wiki is missing. < 1346611985 892226 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when it comes to languages I'm more interested in knowing where they are bad at. < 1346611997 803934 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also different from "reasons not to learn it" < 1346612003 963410 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are being very sloppy with language < 1346612023 633368 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning a new (programming) language is generally not a bad idea I think < 1346612036 151269 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people focus too much on languages, anyway < 1346612049 572875 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think most interesting "Why you should learn $X" articles will not be about languages < 1346612055 203248 :nooga!~nooga@178-37-141-159.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1346612055 704108 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I really leaen cobol? < 1346612061 29502 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Agreed @focus too much on languages < 1346612071 611171 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd rather read "Why you should learn " instead of "Why you should learn " < 1346612092 678808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard d3.js was an interesting library. < 1346612100 641141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard that too. < 1346612104 886811 :subleq!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard that too < 1346612110 108441 :subleq!~gavin@c-24-9-98-117.hsd1.co.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't figure out how to use it though < 1346612116 694356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps I just looked at some examples and thought that it looked interesting. < 1346612122 519601 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard boost::spirit was interesting < 1346612134 308215 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me 30 minutes to compile the first example though < 1346612137 350933 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard a damn thing . < 1346612142 634192 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and the second one didn't work < 1346612157 544516 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I didn't try the third one < 1346612227 19709 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boost::spirit is interesting but don't try to use it for actual work < 1346612233 350079 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1346612234 800410 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just like C++, or Haskell" < 1346612252 635217 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://mbostock.github.com/d3/talk/20111116/airports.html < 1346612258 91627 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I actually used boost::spirit::classic(yay!) for X.so < 1346612270 475851 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, that's esoteric work I guess < 1346612272 850543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, boost::spirit < 1346612285 57416 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :the classic version is actually nice < 1346612289 80184 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but v2 is not < 1346612342 768186 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1346612345 191480 :AnotherTest!~tim@d51A4C692.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1346612825 493568 :Nisstyre_!~yours@bas9-hamilton14-3096717720.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1346612891 915126 :Nisstyre_!~yours@bas9-hamilton14-3096717720.dsl.bell.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346612930 602668 :Nisstyre_!~yours@bas9-hamilton14-3096717720.dsl.bell.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1346613077 311869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346613162 540156 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1346613610 49284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hardware NSF design fills up the $4018-$403F area exactly with no bytes left over. < 1346614958 460315 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1346615168 490049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn COBOL if you want to learn Common Business Oriented Language. < 1346615190 196634 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :NSF? < 1346615229 548925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is talking about the National Science Foundation, of course. < 1346615229 717174 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn COBOL if you love using global variables for everything. < 1346615237 507334 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something to do with the NES, I believe, nortti < 1346615243 518557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: NES/Famicom music files. < 1346615264 886494 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm "The COBOL 2002 standard includes support for object-oriented programming and other modern language features.[1] < 1346615265 90990 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1346615292 702144 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1346615442 787816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However the interrupt routine uses 30 clock cycles and I am unsure if this can be reduced, or how many clock cycles other hardware NSF players use, etc < 1346615472 232210 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, I've got a Wolfram Alpha account now < 1346615488 274615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: I heard you can use it to dig into your Facebook. < 1346615502 2241 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the PRECISE reason I'm making an account < 1346615548 707963 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I might be wrong < 1346615597 255065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Inconceivable. < 1346616091 40677 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1346616266 883202 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my friends network I have 4 clusters of 2 people < 1346616381 887924 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore S would be for Sound < 1346616399 353552 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a completely separate cluster of 8 people < 1346616433 817435 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm fairly sure Gregor is in a cluster unto himself < 1346616445 708163 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if Nintendo changed their name to NES Corporation, the acronym would hold as NES Entertainment System Sound Files < 1346616487 836010 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@078088172191.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346616509 564033 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like KFC Fried Chicken < 1346616517 183155 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346616638 111717 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/15/nyregion/chicken-little.html < 1346616807 470884 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i feel inauthentic when thanking people, especially bus drivers < 1346616835 459025 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1346616856 824163 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think because i figure i would say it anyway even if i wasn't thankful < 1346616867 460088 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it was a rule < 1346616914 30967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't thank bus drivers. :/ < 1346616915 704003 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. misread inauthetic as nausetic < 1346616924 298479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of rare here. < 1346616929 696424 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1346616933 924679 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except when buying a ticket. < 1346616960 106952 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not when just beeping the card at the machine. < 1346616971 914193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people say "thanks" when exiting the bus, but that's like less than 10% I'd say. < 1346616977 705286 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well i mean when getting off the bus. yeah < 1346616992 789638 :MoALTz!~no@host-92-8-232-113.as43234.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346617006 206356 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1346617035 384915 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fact that i dwell on such things is probably cause for concern < 1346617044 60556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually the driver's all the way in front, and our bus conventions call from exit through the middle or the back door, so it'd need quite a loud "thanks", and that just feels out-of-place. < 1346617138 799557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finns are known to be really impolite, though. < 1346617150 248142 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i think what actually happens is < 1346617162 548212 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the politeness information is probably just expressed by other means < 1346617207 202536 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe thats being deluded of me though < 1346617209 975660 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1346617376 466933 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.151.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say thanks to the driver... Unless they're a jerk! < 1346617396 420588 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.151.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can't drink that on the bus, company policy" (soft drink / water) < 1346617400 708505 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the fact that some drivers are jerks reminds you they're human < 1346617466 887552 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. I don't know if it's expressed at all. But I suppose it's a cultural thing and not the kind of thing that we'd be inherently more rude in a thinks-less-of-others sense. I don't think bus drivers expect to be thanked (when getting off) here, either, since it's not a Thing That Is Done. < 1346617539 512690 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah..... if i was more normal.. i wouldn't have made this a topic < 1346617559 230783 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my views are not representative of normal < 1346617622 160734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's no direct translation of "please" when you're ordering/asking for something, though you can sort of optionally use the thanking word as a suffix there. < 1346617685 120819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not especially rude to just say what it is that you're e.g. buying, without any extra frills. < 1346617839 986130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is not a day of national mourning in Helsinki, this is Finns in their natural state: brooding, private, grimly in touch with no one but themselves." < 1346617865 172083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So began a "60 minutes" US TV program, talking about how tango has landed to Finland. < 1346617873 110795 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It caused a bit of a stir. < 1346617882 973519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This was in 1992 or something.) < 1346617901 784138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I heard the sentence, sampled, in some piece of music somewhat recently.) < 1346617962 15041 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, USA should begin by getting a proper name for the nation < 1346617995 556478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhxZoV3t61c -- it's... kind of disparaging. < 1346618006 569939 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in NYC there are signs in buses and trains reminding you that assaulting the driver will get you 7 years in prison < 1346618047 597093 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow those signs never get seen on tv :D < 1346618057 154135 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are pretty small < 1346618081 337627 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux's seccomp now lets you give a fine-grained specification of which system calls are allowed < 1346618086 986811 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :using... a Berkeley Packet Filter program < 1346618118 152931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The metropolitan area transportation conglomerate recently introduced a rule that all buses need to have this strong-glass pane that goes up to the ceiling in-between the driver and the passengers. < 1346618123 141718 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To cut down on... problems. < 1346618136 550021 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its interesting that people refer to USA as either US or A or USA < 1346618164 84585 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the states" is a fun one < 1346618176 419956 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody calls it U < 1346618179 830637 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it isn't < 1346618213 103316 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Great Satan < 1346618236 187641 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose occasionally some might call it north america < 1346618246 814931 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are other countries in north america... < 1346618256 803503 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but theres even more countries in america :D < 1346618263 251949 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What, isn't Canada just some kind of a part of USA? < 1346618286 407280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :America's hat, or what do they say. < 1346618291 402622 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well once Barack Obama and the UN finish their conspiracy to create a united North American government with a single currency, the Amero < 1346618300 665141 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cause there's nothing the US wants more than to be in a currency union with Mexico < 1346618324 304702 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's as if the sudanese referred to sudan as africa < 1346618332 639588 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I did see someone calling USA "Canada's underpants". < 1346618342 948843 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: heh, yes < 1346618355 497597 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe im missing the point though... its easy in australia where the nation is literally a continent < 1346618365 784930 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the easiest possible naming system < 1346618376 646177 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Roman province of Africa was only a bit of Tunisia and Libya < 1346618391 867542 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this? this is the state of south australia, in the nation australia, in the continent australia < 1346618413 988977 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the words "state" and "nation" are super ambiguous too < 1346618415 956408 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :while we're at it < 1346618437 995551 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :next to it is the state of western australia... and to the north is the northern territory territory of the nation of australia in the continent australia < 1346618487 898613 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in the middle of new south wales is a usefully named territory called the australian capital territory which unsurprisingly is where canberra is < 1346618498 976188 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, what about New Zeeland and Papua New Guinea? < 1346618513 272936 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i forgot < 1346618515 37886 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crud < 1346618518 748022 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are in oceania < 1346618528 33783 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what oceania is < 1346618559 102695 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is 1 of 3 countries of the worl: oceania, eurasia and eastasia < 1346618565 197007 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*world < 1346618572 346354 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so close.... < 1346618583 206116 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my name utopia is crumbling < 1346618591 126439 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1346618632 42079 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :reading the first paragraph makes it clear that its pointless to discretely define oceania http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oceania < 1346618833 663479 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346619119 654588 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.151.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't we at war with Eastasia? < 1346619124 967405 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.151.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it Eurasia? < 1346619151 217071 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eastasia. you have always been in war with eastasia < 1346619160 175046 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi from eurasua < 1346619167 393151 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eurasia < 1346619255 436791 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose they just make up these words as they go < 1346619306 720048 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically sets of nations which aren't constrained by being a landmass < 1346619371 181020 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, they probably enjoy the ambiguity by using a name rather than actually specifying a set < 1346619429 499794 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe so that noone knows what they're talking about < 1346619505 11823 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we are at war with eurasia" "...does that mean?" "no, don't worry you're not part of eurasia (fingers crossed behind back)" < 1346619534 277127 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well.. maybe the fingers don't have to be crossed < 1346619648 597407 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.151.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're allied with Eurasia :-) < 1346619681 749517 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have always been < 1346619699 37913 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking about "present company excluded" yesterday, this seems relevant < 1346619852 927363 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all men and women are holding this country back, present company excluded" < 1346619944 420208 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Urgh, I had to listen to the elaborately-synchronised orchestration to the end-of-Fringe fireworks on a 15 second delay because the local radio station's stream had such high latency. < 1346619961 389741 :atriq!~Taneb@host-2-99-86-249.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1346620421 478400 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, except for the divorce, and another plot hole, I kind of liked the Doctor Who episode < 1346620448 159992 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eggs < 1346620450 183607 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :term < 1346620451 644434 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in < 1346620452 311069 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ate < 1346620579 77161 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Clojure there's some sort of discussion about the Eclipse Public License < 1346620595 60118 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How it's not GPL-compatible because it protects freedoms better, supposedly? < 1346620616 931981 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.151.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what plot hole? < 1346620626 100598 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The EPL, however, requires that anyone distributing the work grant every recipient a license to any patents that they might hold that cover the modifications they have made. Because this is a "further restriction" on the recipients, distribution of such a combined work does not satisfy the GPL.[" < 1346620640 505596 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, why would the switch to the forcefield be inside the asylum? < 1346620648 330208 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems unwise < 1346620706 440174 :impomatic!~digital_w@31.185.151.82 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only just seen it. We had a power cut from 7:10 to 8:30 last night. Then iPlayer wouldn't work. It's almost as they everything conspired to stop me watching... < 1346620731 742288 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034d00.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :g2g < 1346620766 626175 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds great @EPL. < 1346621013 678715 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is hacking in front of huge monitors, drinking mountain dew and listening to infected mushroom < 1346621016 885726 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm such a cliche < 1346621429 71493 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes in the late hours i think about the passing of pets and family. and the social, financial and mental problems which cause regrets of how the time was spent compared to how it could have been spent < 1346621430 110848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drinking some infected mushrooms and listening to Mountain Dew. < 1346621445 941407 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i spend 15minutes with an actual human, and think, damn humans really shit me < 1346621557 917986 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds uncomfortable for both of you < 1346621588 413010 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought GPL already requires a patent license? < 1346621725 280791 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well i think some of my regrets are caused by idealized memories of people < 1346621772 102911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The local possibly-largest computer hardware (and other stuff) e-tailer sells nowadays these "rare american" soft drinks etc. (like cherry cola and coke in aluminum bottle-shaped imperial-units containers and Snapple and whatever) because obviously people drinking that stuff are more "authentic". < 1346621776 262946 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a regret such as "how come i wasnt nice to that guy?" .. then the realization "he raised my blood pressure when he started talking" < 1346621780 288450 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a hypothetical < 1346621786 895378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They also sell that Gamer Grub stuff. < 1346621869 805106 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2007/02/19 < 1346621909 636191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they had a couple others on the same theme. < 1346621921 668470 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: was his voice too high-pitched or something? I wonder how many decibels are needed to get one's blood boiling < 1346621978 838897 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: its easy to forget what annoying means when around _relatively_ unannoying people < 1346621998 176954 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh XD < 1346622045 113399 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: sometimes I forget what annoying means when around an annoying person who's particularly less annoying than usual < 1346622057 867664 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, hm could you actually cook stuff with sound? < 1346622091 60980 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could in theory < 1346622095 839911 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :practically though? < 1346622097 174749 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :science will answer to that question but she's busy at the moment < 1346622160 972366 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: so this device would be soundproof, and have a heck of a lot of noise inside? < 1346622163 698464 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess this could figure as an xkcd's "What if we used sonar cookers instead of solar cookers" < 1346622216 977850 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, indeed < 1346622224 986868 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, have they done that? < 1346622240 47955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, why does it need to be sound proof? Who cares about side effects :P < 1346622244 307452 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe have a way to concentrate the sound... "loud amplification by stimulated emission of resonance" < 1346622278 840004 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one form of annoying sound is eating with mouth open < 1346622287 556758 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, I'm guessing if we can have such a silly idea, there's a good chance someone has had it before < 1346622294 248061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think there are some ultrasonic heating based things. < 1346622295 158584 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the effects are mitigated if you yourself are eating with mouth open < 1346622303 609907 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a hearty way < 1346622319 296070 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you eat with mouth open? < 1346622324 123432 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh, really? that is awesome < 1346622329 318314 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :got a source for that claim though? < 1346622340 328935 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well the chewing after putting the food in your mouth < 1346622368 265319 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21, it would fall out... < 1346622370 808141 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't work < 1346622382 360174 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it is sticky like some sweets < 1346622402 403717 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make it worse the food is inside a paper bag which is inside a plastic bag < 1346622417 105487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultrasound "Ultrasonic welding" < 1346622442 99662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some other things based on ultrasound-induced cavitation. (Which releases heat.) < 1346622457 689364 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1346622485 870313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The welding thing is a bit far from first connotations of "sound" though. < 1346622537 599566 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so loud noises are not so good for cooking < 1346622583 387203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't see anything that'd really be based on pressure waves in air (cavitation happens in liquids); I'm sure you can get *some* heat energy somewhere, but it doesn't sound exactly practical. < 1346622628 936914 :nooga_!~nooga@178-37-138-66.adsl.inetia.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1346622718 122297 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone has made a patent for ultrasonic cooking apparatus < 1346622798 505832 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anything patentable that is not patented? < 1346622835 966724 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh it does sound... maybe not practical though < 1346622844 177983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: People keep patenting new things, so if we take as granted that all the granted patents are for novel inventions (ha!), sure. < 1346622912 95150 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it keeps corporations busy :D < 1346622917 275708 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lawyers < 1346623151 390360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever I make, I don't patent. This way it saves money. < 1346623179 169622 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they keep maintaining the pretense that the modern patent system has anything to do with invention, or protecting IP < 1346623344 831868 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to begin with, its a form of protection you have to pay for... < 1346623372 791455 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind of strange compared to most laws about protection < 1346623532 54862 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you don't have to apply to an agency and pay in advance for legal protection for your body from being beaten up < 1346623543 382489 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346623558 657461 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason, you just get legal rights for free when it comes to being beaten up < 1346623681 129501 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my question is what-if patents were free? < 1346623693 750812 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe next time you get beaten up, you should tell them that you did not pay for legal protection < 1346623702 161893 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1346623710 350168 :oklo!~oklopol@dyn58-51.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1346623713 225604 :oklopol!~nnscript@dyn58-51.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1346623764 349057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1346623789 618465 :itidus21!~itidus21@120.148.51.163 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i am good at getting through life without fights, but part of that is luck < 1346624348 34756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I worship the god Eris <-- *godess hth < 1346624355 560012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops *goddess < 1346625093 248006 :nortti!~juhani@188-67-107-118.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1346625688 39483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan_ < 1346625692 315778 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1346625695 716986 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan < 1346625712 504424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1346625884 913360 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1346626452 402475 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i worship the goatass eris < 1346626467 379511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1346626621 550363 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1346626846 625219 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in C, is there a better way to write while (1) { if (foo) continue; ...; if (bar) continue; ...; if (baz) continue; ...; return x; } < 1346626849 702116 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than goto < 1346626887 379469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's bad about that? < 1346626909 641430 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing's especially bad about it; I am just wondering if there's a better way < 1346626916 438930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. It's more of an if+goto than a loop. < 1346626918 149602 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems kind of silly to have a loop which only runs all the way through once < 1346626928 647069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1346626948 112582 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the loop receives packets and i want to return the first one which passes a series of criteria < 1346626962 196469 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are too complicated to be expressed nicely in a single boolean expression < 1346626975 29479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if you put them all in different functions or something? < 1346626985 603037 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be too much code < 1346627025 12843 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you use the ?: operator? < 1346627080 326799 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not nicely < 1346627135 862472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :SHACHAF < 1346627235 787977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you use macros? < 1346627242 335517 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a macro < 1346627249 919 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not nicely < 1346627277 795970 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think separating your predicates out into their own functions is vaguely nice. < 1346627282 878620 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you can use nested functions in GCC! < 1346627400 766711 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :socket(2) is a weird syscall < 1346627423 313637 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why shouldn't it be open("/dev/net/inet/tcp", ...) < 1346627486 595522 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that what it is in Plan 9? < 1346627512 892422 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1346627551 966842 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Networking was kind of hacked onto Unix, I understand. < 1346627598 778854 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you don't say" < 1346627609 840225 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UNIX was kind of hacked onto Space Travel < 1346627616 694599 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The socket API (in particular parts of it, like sending fds over sockets and all that) is kind of terrible. :-( < 1346627632 379488 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i feel like there should be an achievement badge for that < 1346627635 461164 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sent a fd over a socket" < 1346627734 344222 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about "did it in order to do something useful"? < 1346627752 896305 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they did that at RDB at one point. < 1346627758 998885 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"does exploiting CVE-2012-0056 count as something useful" < 1346627776 832127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: while (!foo) { ...; if (!bar) { ...; if (!baz) { ...; return x; } } } /* YOU CAN THANK ME LATER */ < 1346627814 787937 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The C idiom of flattening things out is actually nice. < 1346627830 191666 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean things like void foo() { if (!x) return; ... } < 1346627859 403764 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Surely it'd be more like open("/dev/net/inet/tcp/hostname/port") :) < 1346627900 580570 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1346627907 904879 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would replace some other syscalls too < 1346627999 718667 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash has that. < 1346628009 523222 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: Yeah, but it's not on the C level. < 1346628026 190172 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1346628365 824746 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know lexande_ has been to the place I lived in in WA? < 1346628594 615884 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1346628702 686296 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, just discovered a weird quirk in C99 < 1346628712 128502 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can put declarations anywhere, but you still can't put a label on one < 1346628776 278912 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, so you might have statements that you can't goto? < 1346628784 922687 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they're not statements, they're declarations ;) < 1346628794 78364 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though they can appear anywhere and can have arbitrary code as initializers < 1346628794 577770 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expressions. < 1346628853 782761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1346628895 597481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The macros in C are often not powerful enough < 1346628957 482353 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-22-156-188.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: foo: ; fixes that. :) < 1346629139 156396 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1346629184 346096 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, good point < 1346629384 840451 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's a good label syntax. < 1346629386 251229 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo:; < 1346629397 524907 :kmc!~keegan@c-76-119-235-30.hsd1.ma.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it so looks like a typo < 1346629507 593144 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Now mind your tongue, or we'll have it out and throw the rest of you away, like a nightingale at a Roman feast. Took the very words out of my mouth. You'd be lost for words. You'd be tongue-tied. Like a mute in a monologue. Like a nightingale at a Roman feast. Your diction will go to pieces. Your lines will be cut. To dumbshows. And dramatic pauses. You'll never find your tongu < 1346629548 575151 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. foo: ; } is a way to get a label to the end of a function. :-) < 1346629572 105753 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo: ;) < 1346629578 968245 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1346629580 297711 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo: ;} < 1346629584 853010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHACHAF: never find your tongu < 1346629598 832276 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : You'll never find your tongue. Lick your lips. Taste your tears. Your breakfast. You won't know the difference. There won't be any. We'll take the very words out of your mouth. So you've caught on. So you've caught up. < 1346629610 284314 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: y u no use splitlong.pl? It comes with your client of choice. < 1346629616 431223 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Sounds like work. < 1346629628 365831 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do I need it when I have oerjan? < 1346629636 995911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRECISELY < 1346629661 48233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION proceeds to tie SHACHAF's shoe laces for him < 1346629662 834138 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ørjan is very useføl < 1346629665 526782 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mkdir -pv ~/.irssi/scripts && cd ~/.irssi/scripts && ln -s . autorun && ln -s /usr/share/irssi/scripts/splitlong.pl .) and /script load splitlong < 1346629689 824067 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude, it's actually pre-installed! < 1346629855 94496 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Why not just make an "autorun" directory? < 1346629888 297291 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’m not sure /script load looks into autorun. < 1346629901 615592 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so one is for now and one is for next run? < 1346629918 796059 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:51 -!- Irssi: Loaded script splitlong < 1346629930 65944 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:45 Now mind your tongue, or we'll have it out and throw the rest of you away, like a nightingale at a Roman feast. Took the very words out of my mouth. You'd be lost for words. You'd be tongue-tied. Like a mute in a monologue. Like a nightingale at a Roman feast. Your diction will go to pieces. Your lines will be cut. To < 1346629936 95609 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : dmb shows. And dramatic pauses. You'll never find your tongue. Lick your lips. Taste your tears. Your breakfast. You won't know the difference. There won't be any. We'll take the very words out of your mouth. So you've caught on. So you've caught up. < 1346629941 795487 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that really say "dmb shows"? < 1346629949 292467 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :splitlong.pl is awful. :-( < 1346629959 677712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see whether this works properly and all according to specification like it very well absolutely and definitely should for sure, am i right of course i am you dolts just testing and HI's not a ctcp SHACHAF, try something that actually exists instead and maybe you might get an answer but only if i feel like it OKAY? have a good day and did this get long enough... < 1346629966 48221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's a no. < 1346629978 12107 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: HI is totally a CTCP < 1346629980 760533 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want proof? < 1346629982 569902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOWAI < 1346630043 125973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does one send replies anyway? < 1346630084 195499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ... < 1346630084 997056 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ctcp shachaf REPLY HELLO < 1346630089 504499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasbestos < 1346630160 352538 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Sorry for lying. :-( < 1346630164 576680 :SHACHAF!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually /nctcp < 1346630368 483727 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Huh. splitlong never resulted in anything like the “dmb shows” thing when i used irssi.